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corn- etent for any Member to Move the re:commit-
ment o' the Bill.
. Mr. SecrerarrYieoma explained. ~.
Mr. KINNAIRD. said, he-thoughtit his duty to
impose the measure altogether, as he thought the
Bill a defeCtive support to a crude and undigested
system, and he should not do his duty to the great
body of Volunteers if he did not rejeCt it. He
Conceived that if the provisiOns of the Defence Atfi
had been carried. into execution, that the whole
People would have been instruCted in the use of
arms, whilst above all, the sources of supply for
the regular army would. not have been chtiked up.
Ministers had, however, chosen to adopt another
System instead, 'which had a direa contrary efftoa,
and which was in itself inefficient. Under the De-
fence Ad, the whole population of the 'country
would have been trained to arms, under experienced
'commissioned and non-commissioned Officers of the
Line ; whilst under the Volunteer System, the men
were commanded by officers of no experience. Nay,
by the Bill, the only means of instruCtiOn for the
Volunteers was taken away, as the provi3ion•fo
supplying non_commiasioned Officers fur that pur-
r
pose was repealed. He objected to the whole mea-
sure, as entirely inefficient. t
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Sir IF. YOUNG repeated what' e had observed.
upon former occasions, with respect to the distinc,
tion which lie conceived ought to be made between
those Volunteers who hate come forward previous to
the pelence Ad, and thine who had been sulsse-
quently inrolled. He contended, th.it th. present
B 111, was a -Bill of distrust, with respect' to the
Volunteers, as it went to inflia penalties, arrest,
and imprisonment upon those who had patriot ica
and zealously come forward in the detence of tliellyir
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Country.
7be SECRETAA'Y at WAR denied that the
Bill_ was a 'Bill of Distrust with respett to the VO2
lunteers. • As to the arrest and imprisonment men-
tioned by the Hon: Baronet, the latter was not risen-
', tioned in the Bill, and' the former was only intro.
clueed to preserve that which was so ne -
cessar y in Voltinteer Corps, and was at the sarhe
• time only to continue whilst the Corps were under
'arms. As to the distindion taken by the. Hon.. Ba- -
ronet between two classes:of Volunteers, nobody
denied that there was .a distinaLrOlbetween the Volunteers who had offered their services at dif-,
ferent periods, ; but. to make that distinction in the
exemptions would be highly invidious. objectionurged b the ,As to the
y Hon. Gentle Min (Mr.,KlN-
ail6Ro) respeCting tile 'Drill Serjeants for Voittiteer
Corps, the. fad was, that the expence was merely
transferred from the respedive Parishes to Gover_
Mem. Wish respeti to what had been stared bithe
lion. General (General TAIILFTON) ;IS to noorderly
at Bristni,because no one
Dragoon being to be futiod
of the Volunteer Cavalry would becOme an orderly'
Dragoon to carry a message, he shoteld only ob-
serve that the Hon. G,eneral. bad no, authority to
require it, and that it a,,, not
be made of Volunteer Cavalry: exaaly the use to
been said by I t -As to what had
''he don: G-4nersl relativ...- to the de_
-fteiency in the 2d inattolioo oft Wilts -Militia, it was
jrwpossible there could be. any necessin - deficiency)
as oust of 7. ,coo 'Veltieters who had )offered their
'services, oniy 6,000 had !teen accepted.
General Tait es-rota exithined. ,
iv(M,ltir,:ttiefefLs.hv.Xt,
e.i.mlViDERa. strenueusly. defended the
t , which he contended was such as
ought to iernove tvery'possibve, appreliensif;n from
any attack of the Enemy. e possessed noW
--greater force than this Country ever before p
eel, alai were in fad an Armed Nation... lin-tioelsisehsasd.
been said of the Levy_en.sna-ne ;, not he ea-metaled,
reliarice
that there Was, no comparison but
the
that could be placed upon them and uPtin the Vo‘lueo
leers, because; however zealous they might he, they
would want the discipline and rstulatity which the
Vounteers Would possess. This had' been eiem.
'lifted in Ireland, 'where the' Yeomanry con
defeated
'the people, who, it 'might be saidng on had
, stantly
i
risen in a Mass, It wits true that in ,
this contest, this Country, was at a carrygrent- expence;
but it was an expenne within theeountry, and eur
'treasures 'sverenot expended-in German on Foreign
Aflie's.
/Or..
he meant to FOXsaid, that When he came into the House,
have taker, one sense of the House upon
ahis subjeae but he was ioduced not to per ist io his
intention_ for tWO reasons ; first, because there
:Was a dete.rmined system of tnisrepr'ese' ntat.ion upon
this subjed •; every. Gentleman that o
-of this
,measure was represente pposed any part
d as being hostile to
ahe: whole. Volunteer System. Though there was
not the slightest ground:for such an, insinuationeyet
lie did not oliuse to expose hithsell to such a misre.
Prase:l4l6one t and therefore -he 'would not take. the
sense of the, House upon, this motion. .ilis- other
reason fors declining it was, that Ministers natiat be
6:3, .se"stble of the imperfett statoof 'this Bill,• that
lied, ntsptonsee tilt necessity of! its being recommit,
more of the- tiine of the •
these nrounds: he would not take -up
not his intentiolfouse at: preseot. It was
Bill aanseif,
bunt toi m, oee the ea..commitment of 'the
)e hoped that some other Gentle_
man would do •
by the. sre. -it' and he re-quested to be into:me
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ir. :AKER_ islien would be the proper time to
. The SPE A ICJ;
, 4 ca? said th ti lea Motion might
3,c at.S C. .. .
be made weett the said,.,
motion was disposed of,
Of at any tune before the Bill was engrossed.
heolVlotion was I ,
t len agreed to.
. MT.-YORKE immediately moved that the Amend-
rnents be read a second time.
Mr. W..WYNNE then rose, and, as we under-
stood him, expressed his intention of moving. o re-.
COmmit the Bill.
The CHANCELLOR qf the EXCHEQUER'
t , t
aPtle to,Or.ler, ;Ilia siiidtuit such a Motion could
reading of tot be made until the present Motion for the Second
the
The Amendments was got rid of.
SPEAKER said, he understood that . the:
Right Hon. Seca eansay
der'
it Y6I :E said he cortainly vehadhis notot waived
• as soon as the other Motion was disposed of, he
had, according to the usual form, made his present
Motion. - '
Air.GRENV
man h ILLE said, the Right Hon. Gentle-
ad.certainly made the Motion, but it was done
hirso rapid a niariner, and after the other Motions
!Lart Leen agreed to,
.with a view of a Motion being
ade for the .tecotrunitment of the Bill; that lie did