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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS,
MONDAY, MARCH 19.

.
Covig's rt. were heard in continuation relative to the Scotch
Appeal, Fleming v. Allercornbie, viz. Mr. ADAM as 'second
Counsel for the Appellant, and Mr. A czxAmoEß as leading
Counsel for .the Respondent : the farther hearing of the
Case was adjourned till-Wednesday.
The various Bills before the House were forwarded in their
respedive stages. Among these, the Irish Revenue Bill, the
Irish Malt Duty, the Irish Countervailing Duties, and the
Hides and Tallow importation Bills were severally read-a se-
cond time.

Some private business was then disposed of, after which
their Lordships adjourned till THREE' o'C LOCK to.inor-
row•.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
MONDAY, MARCH 19.
Mr. ALRXANDER. brought up the Report of the
Bill for providing for the Pay and Cloathing of the
Militia.--ThevAmendments in which were read and
agreed to.
The Bill for increasing the Rate of sSubsistence
to Innkeepers and others, on quartering Soldiers,
was read a first time, and ordered to be read a se-

cond time.
The Exchequer Bills Bill was ordered to be read
a third time to-morrow, if then engrossed.
The Neutral Ships Bill was
_read a third time
and passed ; as was also the Expiring Laws Bill.
The Sugar Vv-arehottse Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed to a Committee
of the whole House to-morrow.
The Irish Militia Families Provision Bill was
read a second time, and ordered to be committed to
a Committee of the whole House on Thursday next,
on the motion of Mr. CORRY.'
Mr. GREGOR, after a few observations on the
importance of the subjett, and the necessity of the
House and the Public having more information upon
it than they possessed at present, moved, That
there be laid before the House an Account of the
Number of Districts from which Assessments under
the Property Tax have been returned to the Office
appropriated to receive the same, stating the total
sum assessed. Ordered.
That there he also laid before the House an Ac-
count of the Number of Distrh!ts from which nb
such Assessments have been returned into the said
Office. Ordered.

VOLUNTEERS.
Mr. Secretary YORKE moved the Order of the
Day on the Volunteer Corps 'Bill, which was for
taking the Report .of . the Bill into farther' conside-
ration. The Report being read, he moved, " That
thiS Report be now taken into farther considera.
tion."—He then observed, that before this Motion
was pus, he wished to take notice of a circumstance
which came to his knowledge this day, and which
he conceived to be of considerable importance : he
alluded to a Clause in the 'Bali which respeded the
time at which His Majesty shall be empowered to
summon and call out the Volunteers for adual service,
It was to he found in page to of the printed Bill.
The words, " United Kingdomy' had been ad- .
verted to, and it was supposed by some -that the
Clause was introduced into the Bill improperly or
unfairly. He hoped the House would-nor think
it was introduced with -intention to deceive any
body. When he introduced the Bill, it was intended
to be a Bill for both Great Britain and Ireland, and
he believed he stated it to be his opinion that the
power of His Majesty to call out the Volunteers
extended to Ireland, as Well as Great Britain. It .
was thus brought into the. House, and printed on .
the loth of Febrhary, thus containing provisions
applicable to both Great Britain and Ireland, and
affeding both in its preamble ; the clause. was
diet') drawn up, as he should state to the, House.
-[Here he read the Clause.]-----;lnstead, how.
ever, of extending' to Ireland, thus, trad,:r the
• words " the United Kingdom," he had . thought
it better to introduce the word " Realm," and
:he then thought the word Realm was applicable
both to Great Britain and Ireland, and therefore
that word was substituted for the words " the
United Kingdom," and so the Bill was printed, and
the Bill thus printed contained a Clause to this
effea. When the Bill was committed, he stated
that the Clause which related to the Volunteers of
Ireland was withdrawn, and that the present Volun-
teer Law of Ireland •was to stand, and when the
Clausewas struck out, and the word " Realm" was
struck our, the Bill with the words " United King-
dom," inserted in it was printed so long ago
as the zd of March. The Bill had been since
twice in the Committee, and now. was reprinted
with this Clause in it withont any Gentleman
. taking notice of it. He stated this to justify him-
self as far as he could. . He was of 'opinion then,
and he now retained that opinion, that it would be
advisable, in many points of view, that His Ma'_
jesty should have the poWer, as given to him at
.present by this Clause, that in case of Invasion on
the Coast of Ireland, and His Majesty's Regular
Force should be detached to Ireland, His Majesty
should have power to call out the 'Volunteers. But
as misapprehension had gone abroad upon that sub-
- jet], and as it was not understood generally in that
House, that the Bill should he so, nor did the Vo.
lunteers appear so to understand the Bill, he thought
it better not to hazard any thing that might have
the appearance of a violation of faith with the Vo.
lunteers, for although they had still the powre
of withdrawing themselves if they thought that
burden irksome, yet he did not wish to incur the
hazard of appearing to violate faith with the Volun-
teers : therefore when the House should come to the
discussion of that particular Clause, he should.pro-
i pose to alter that part of it. He spoke now only
to justify himself to those Members of the House
who choose to judge liberally and candidly, and he

would he contented with their judgment on the sub-
jeci. Spine other H )n. Geotlenien might pbjed to
it after this explanation ; how fiiriy and candidly
the Hous- w ;old consider.' He wished
,however to
save unnecessary discussion, which might havz.,
arisen on this.objed,. if he had not explained
He should now move, " That this Report be now
taken into farther consideration."

General TA RLETON observed, that as this Was
an opportunity of entering at large on the subject of
the Bill now before the House, he might do so; buz
however, he should not trespass long upon the pa-
tience of the. House :—He should, hoWever, submit
to the House the observations and opinions which
had been the. guide and rule of his condu& upon
this occasion : in doing which he conceived that
some obloquy might he cast upon him ; but lie mast
nevertheless intreat the House, and the Country to
refFtl, that this. is too momentous an occasion for
trifling. There was no man existing who ought
not to consider it his highest honour to shed his
last drop of blood in his Country's cause at the
present. crisis, and this he should be proud to
do :—But this was not all that a lover of his Country
had to do, he ought also to bring forward, for its
Service, whatever his experience warranted him
in suggesting for that purpose. It had been said,
that we were now engaged in a War which the
youngest man among us might not see the end of.
He therefore thought we should look to a perma-
nent system for carrying it on with advantage, and
in that view he could. not help considering the
Volunteer System as very defeCtive for that purpose.
When Ministers brought forward the Bill for the
better disciplining the Militia Corps, he stated the
situation of the Army, and what it was necPssary
for Ministers to look to : that we were is millions of
men, in the.presence of 40 millions of the most am-
bitious men upon Earth for military triumph, and
that therefore our safety required that our Army
should be placed in the bast possible situation. The
answer he received then was, that our Militia could
defeat the best Troops in France ; an assertion
which did not make much inipression upon him.—
He was not going to attack the Volunteers on the
ground of their magnanimity, or their courage, or
their zeal, or ardour, or their love of their Coun-
try ; neither. was he going to insinuate a suspicion
of -the valour or patriotism of any class of English. /
men : he knew they would all bravely fight for
what they so dearly loved and had long enjoyed,
the best Constitution upon Earth. He knew they
were equal in courage and in every other virtue,. to
any people upon the face of the Globe. What they
wanted was, a wise system of policy, by which
their strength should be directed. Whatever de.
vended upon courage was never difficult to English-
men ;
.but it must not be 'forgotten that courage
would not do without discipline, least of all against
such an Army as we had•to contend with. Did
Roman valour triumph over British valour? No.! But
discipline did, and so did German discipline in twu
instances, much too memorable in our history to
need recital now. And was the science of Warless
complex, and• owed less to discipline now, than at
those early periods ? He apprehended quite other.
'wise : He believed that science was now quite as diffi-
cult, and depended as much on discipline now as at any
period since the commencement of the worol. At
the commencement of the Volunteer- system,. he
thought it good for the moment, because we wanted
a sufficient Army. As the matter came on upon the
sudden, perhaps a better system could not have been
adopted for the purpose.of meeting a sudden Irrup-
auption or Invasion. But when the Enemy did'
not chose to come at once, but might wait .to
a period which nobody could calculate, in order to
come upon us at last when we might least expeCt its,
and pcasSibly be the least prepared; he thought, it
became theoduty of, His .IVlajasty'a Ministers, it
was worthy of the wisdoM Of His Majesty's Coun-
cils,,to provide such an artny,as,ratay be fit for a
permanent service, such as.' they ought to do, be-
cause they could do it, as France had done, for
she had at this hour the very largest army upon the
face of the earth, and therefore, as the War was
likely to be protratied, and the force of our enemy
so great, it was the bounden duty of His Majesty's
Ministers to have looked to other systems than the
Volunteer system for permanent operation.—Here
the gallant Officer entered into a detail of the
orders which, as General of a Distria, he is-
sued ,at Bristol and its neighbourhood, for call-
ing out the Volunteer force, and of the very
insubordinate manner in which his commands
had been received and afterwards entirely disobeyed,
notwithstanding Isis exhortations to them to do
their duty like soldiers ; of whole troops of horse
insisting on doing as they pleased, without regard
to the Command of the General of the •Distritt ; of
some companies having declared a determina.
tion to
,fight it out on the parade rather than give
up the point for which they contended; of his hav-
ing %written to His Majesty's Ministers upon this
suhjeft, representing to them the danger of this dis-
obedience, to which he received an answer contain.
ing no more energy than to express a desire that the
affair might be amicably arranged : from all which,
as well - as from the system by which this
military 'disobedience was possible, he foresaw no.
thing but ruin, unless it was speedily altered. Hay.
ing expatiated upon this topic at considerable length,
he then came to another, which was equally on..
favourable to the Volunter system, as one on which
we were to look to permanent service., and which
made him unfriendly to its continuance,,although
no one was more friendly to its institution as a
sudden, measure upon an emergency, and that was
the interruption it gave to the Regular Service, huh
in the Regiments of the Line and the Army of Re.
serve, as well as the Militia, for neither of, which
could men be procured, all the young men being

sAtiafly kcked up, as it were, in the Volunteer
Corps. lie rellted; accounts he had from some Lord
Lieulenants of cuunties, particularly that-of Wilts,
-wh..un he Sp:;ke-of• very liindsorriely, as he did in-
deed of others ; by these accounts it appeared that
mtn were aelually not to. he had, the whole pis-
' tiffs having been balir)ted over and over again, and
111,!re t‘ ere no men fit to serve in the Army of Re-
serye ,r Militia existing, except three who were
alrea,ly in the Volunteer Corps. All this made him
thtuls that the exemptions alloWedto the Volunteers
were much too extensive, and that they had been!
t!.._ ruin of the service in a regular way. He was
confid-nr.tliat this system of the Volunteer-Corils
could .1.4 he permanent. He was sorry to say that
some measure of a compulsory., natute, must be
adopted to complete the •Army of- Reserve; as well
as to increase the regular Army, so .33 to increase
very c ,n.iderably., the disposable force •of His
Majesty, -fiir otherwise we could never ._take
any adv.intage of any circumstance, that might
occur in the affairs the. Enemy': suppose any

th:ng happened OD. account. of I;I4OtEAU, or
•any
other great and, po.pulai man 4n .Ffanee, ,what
ati vantage: could we turn it.to, if we had not a large:
di4posabie Force, such at least as•zs,ooo men to be
rd upon a sudden emergency Nothing of
thi% sort Ct J6d be!expeaed,while.the whole popula-I
tier, was" taken up with the Volunteer Corps,ncr was
aclr thing creditable to our arms to be expcded
while that mutinous Aisposition which.he had stared
if in -any part of our Volunteer, or indeed
; -but .although te thought _.it would.

agrie to serve during this War ?" If afterward; they •
•
assented to this proposition, it might be binding on
them : but he would not. approve of fasteting7this
permanency of :service upon, them for any tiling
tney had -already done, because-that would. he im- .
posing•terms Upon some, Volunteers which could not
affet others. If any one generAl syStt2rn of enact.
meta was proposed, by t+ hick sub-'
jeas.'were to be alUted alike, the Volunteers would
have no reason to complain, nor would they coin-
plain he. was confident ; but they should not he se-
lefted as _Persons on %%Via asny terms should be '
fastened different. from rany.other class of tiis Ma-
jesty's subjeas. . .
He took *ice of the diffefence which subsisted
between hiM and his Learned and Hon. Friend,the
• AT-rox.Ni.v. GENERAL, and which the
,Court . had
determined.in his favOui. They bad,„orily differed:.
upon the question, Weedier a Voluntur
,was bound
by law. ; they had no rtnce of opinion
whether a Volunteer was b- and by- honour
to continue his services while his Country might
want them. •He had no difficulty in Lay if,g,
that the an ought to be branded with eterol.
infamy, Who withdrew his =entice while his Country •I
was in danger hut still a Volunteer should have
power of resioing, unless he had 6yeedicai,) wail ell
that power titer being seriously asked :—this was.
the ~-,tinciple on which the Court of King's BenLli had
decided 'the question. Here he quoted Al the former
Ads 'of Parliament on which • that decision was
founded, to justify the principle of .that decision,
and ;or the pfirpbse of shewing- the propriety'of ad.
tiering to it in the present case: Nor had he ilny
doubt but that -the Volunteers would do
;the highest,
honour -to the' Confidence which their. Country re.
_posed in them, if ever the Opportunity should Offer.
Fen these reasons-he thought" there shoUld
,be no
enactment to impose upon the Volunteers any terms
*-wilich'were-not.imposed on all_ classes of .11 is ',Md.
jetty's subjeas: He adverted also to, that.parr oi;
the Bill which provided
,that Masters should not in,
t\erfere with -the Volunteer Service of their appren-
tices and servants, as a part of the till of serious con.,.
sideration •

or 'might, he of incaleitlable advantage to us
`in the entirse of the. present contest, to have
tutch. a. disposable Force .as might be employed
c.ti certain favourable opportunities, such as he
. had hinted at, yet he .was one of those who
-should never wish to see a man sent out until both
parts of the Empire were entirely safe ; what he;
meant to say was this, that if,stich• an opportunity.
occurred now, we could.notlavail ourselves,of.it in
. the present state of our Army, the -whole of the young_
men-of the Country being locked up in the. Volun,
teer Systern: He. said he was not bigotted .to any,
-system. -All he wished was, that we ?night enter
on the contest and face.the destrualon that threaten.'
ed us, . that. we might get; over it, and live
Englishmen, or if it mui4 be so, that we, might die:
like Englishmen. To.place us in that situation it was
necessary to adopt same new measures for the. Army,
for that was the only way to 'put the Country
in the best._ state -of Security, and ,he was ready
• to confess; that he did not think it secure
at present. The good that might „result from adopt.
ing some measure for the purpose of enlarging-, the
4'liks-pwable military force of this Country. might be
• of Otis description, that. of preventing horrors to
r uhichthis Country, thank God, .had long been a
stranger; • If the population of the Country was
7 prOpefly employed, all this might be prevented, but
:not otherwise: Upon these grounds he must con-
fess he-did not think favourably of the Volunteer
system, "but be that system what it may,
.whatev-er
the danger may be," said he, " wherever it ,may
• • arise, thkte•l hope I shall he found doing my.duiy"
Geitt;ral said, he sheuld be
sorry that any thing shartuldihe said of the Volunteers
that • miglit create any alarm whatever, but his
motive t,r rising Wai to allude to apart of the
Bill which he noticed: on -a former occasiOn.—He
_

The :CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
was decidedly of opinion deft -perfea faith with the
Volunteers mast not-only- be kept inviolate, but that
•Pat'linment should' not by any at -incur the: suspicion'
of a breach of faith in such acuse. In order to re.
move all doubt. •upt;n that ,subjed, lie recommended
what tie was assured his Right Hon. Friend would
adopt;that instead of altering the Otiose spoken to
by the Hon; and Learned Gentleman, it should be
left out-of the Bill altogether. He approved, how_.
ever,. of the Clause -in the, Bill which prevented
masters from interfering with rhevoluntary services
'of their apprentices and serV ants. •
;Mr tr BRE AD 'animadverted at some length,
upon the different clauses of the Bill. .He: thlighte._
he said, it would have been farhetteriif •the•ex.;
emptions had been wholly taken away, as they.
were not expeE!.ed, argil the takirg them. away would.
have been re) breach of faith. According to.the
original •syktetp, ihe'Vollvefrs,, at least those erne
.bedie-clunder.the siubs,qoent,Aa,, were not cntitic&
to those cetiesotiooS, and the fOfce,of, the .Country.
would have been ti -eh mere effalive it• they had
not - ken
_allowed.- He pereeive&l in the Bill a
Clause. •allowing • -Comnianding , Officers to grate.
.leave of abbe:lee: e to ,vleinbers , .1 the Cu;ls;
1-eit those to vs Theo leave of itb.se;nce ;was grant;
ed, were o'olig;:i to make u,_ tht -e.ztljer of day
-of attendance (twenty-f ) in the course of the
'year, or otlierveisethey vt-euld not be:entitled.to ex-
emptions, isow, it ; e, ctil that a very. g',o
and zealous Voluoieer might .by
.sickness I,e pre_
vented from •attentl,ing .for so Jung .a .time, -that ,it
woc:iii be invecs.,iblelor him to make up the number
-of days of a ;Lei danCe in. the :eourise.of the :year, be
eatise the Ceiis to sylikh ;he ,be)onged would not
muter (-Seen en:ugh, and he, plight. then, without
any fault of his own, be deprived .of his ex-
.emptione- This, he though!, was a species of
injustice which. it was impossible tie House would
surfer to remain, There Os • also a proviso in
the that a Commantling.OfEcer should make
a special return, in .conformity with the Schedule
annexed to the A. 6 ; there wasp penally cm mak.
• ing, ;a false, return, but 'none,,ein making. no re.
turn at all ; now it might happen that a Commanding
Officer might by making no return, deprive a, whole
,Corps of their exemptions; this also required amend-
ment.
,The. next point to which. he meant to ad. 7
•vert, was, the power given to Commanding Officers.,
to dimiss members of their Corps,; he found, how 4
ever, ri-tat there was a provision that nothing should
extend to abrogate the rules and regulations of any ,
Corps approved , of by His Majesty ? Upon this
suOjea. he begged leave to ask, whether this pro. •
viso extended: only to those Corps .who had sent in
their rules and regulations to the SECRETARY' of
STATE, to .1;e approved of by His Majesty ? Cer-
tainly.the enactments upon this subject ought to be
more explidit. „Another point was the power given
to Commanding Officers to disallow a day's exemption
or a cley's parlor misconduct in:any Member of the
Corps ; to this be objeaed, because it might,happen
that' a volunteer might very. meritoriously attend
for 23 days in the year, and on; the 24. th might
.du
something displeasing to his Commanding Officer,
who might 7 in a, moment of irritation disallow a day's
exemption, which might deprive the person of his
exemption altogether. This was a power so wholly
unjust, that if the Clause relating to this subjea _
was:not altered, he._should object to the Hill alto-
gether.. ApOther objettion he hail to the Bill was,
to the power given to Commanding Officers-to order
persons undct arrest for misconduct vs:Mist under arms;
•this;he thought could produce no good,but on the con-
rraty, ,might give rise to mutiny, ~whilst it would be
ridiculous, in itself, and _could not lead to any bene-
ficial consequence. 'Another point to which he wish-
ed- to advert .‘,as, ,the right of Resignation, clogged
as jr was with a conditiontle“ the person so tesigu-
ieg should previously pay all tints and penalties,
and all .subscriptions which he was or might be re-
quired by the rules .and -regulations of the Corps to
pay. It was known that ,the rules of any Cores
were liable to alteration, but was it :o be said, that
if 400 men out of
.500• belonging to any Corps chose
to pay a subscription of ten.guineas each; ;that the
remaining too were not to be allowed to resigii
until they had paid' that ten -guineas, which they
had never previously agreed to pay ? This must

meant :that part of e*Bill which wens to "prevent
'Member of a • Volunteer Corps resigninig or retir-
ing from a Corps he was engaged in it :such Ceor,ps
had agreed to serve during the. War. lie said he
had 'the hoocur to command a 'Corp,,but,,he under-
stood coat by. this Bill their continuaTce was . to be
made compulsory, that Pict one of them could retire
after this.Bill4lat,sed,-if it shou!d•pass in its present
stale. He -could not ,help regarding this provision
in the 131:1-its a breach of faith :with the Violunteers ;
for it was 'saying that -what they hid agreed to
three, ofroolts•ago, to serve. during the War, sh•li
under alicircumstances he bioding upon them, and
theft they'stail not retire fur, ,ar on-account of any
circuteances whatever. To withhold from them'
this option, whiie it was to.:..be. given-to all other
I.rolutiteers, he could not help regarding as a Breach
of faith; and-therefore that' was a part of th9.Bill,
whiel\ he thought it his duty ,to oppose.
Air. Th.KINE said, .be was relieved from a
• ds:,,A A "anxiety, by the Declaration of the Right
•J.Gent. opposite to hitarupon the extension of the
to Mr. Sec. YORKE's declaration
h ,t's the .Clause for calling out the Vo_
~t C ,urary, in case of fnsurreCtion or
in Ireland) ;-He hoped aka,- that the
Gentleman would, upon reflection, feel
„- „lop i‘ty of altering the Clause. to which the
n.-Genifem:os who spokelast, had objeCted,w;hich
he "done - by the inireduttion of a -few'
•se,irds,' for the Clause was, at present; top general.
Xir inealit the Clause which .prevented all VolunteerS
-Eton resigning, who had already agreed to continue
their- seciiceits- during the War. -This Clause,. he
aisilellendetf, the. House could not persist in, con-
fistently the judgment' of the Court of King's
Bench, and the declarations of Ministers subsequent
to that decision, stating,- that if that:had not been
declared, to he the .law, they intended to: propose
that it should become the law. .Now. what was the
ground of thedecision of the Court of King's Bench
uport die-question, whether a Volunteer had power
to resign ? 'lt was not founded on the.construelion
but (be-nature of the service. if a man came out
•' uniterrrtt Upon -the occasion of an Invasion, what
• ' as the duration of his engagement ? The dura-
tion of that'engagement was, as long as the Erie_
toy continues• in the .'Couptry, hose ;:entrituce
into it created that service.; but that- continu-
ance not necessarily, and at all events the.
• satire as the duration of the War. Since the judg.,
• rnent of the Court of King's Bench had been
viven;some V,lunteer•Corps had comeforward and.
tr.red their services 'during ihe War ; he thoroht
Clause, as it n,-w- stood, was too general w ith
t-ce d• H spelt Corps, and wanted sc.me amendment.•
',h-.0;;I:t that this Bill ought not to tie any Vo-
-1 down to any thing that they had hitherto
d 4:4,"liti't that, before' their services should be de-
' 61-red-permanent. arid that they abould not be at
‘7 f-egire `from the. Service, they shouldhe
their ConnuLtitling Ofdder, " Will you
ts ert'v, knowing as you do, that you are at liberty
to retire it you think fit, waive that right, and

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certainly be an aa of injustice. There tvas another I ‘,".41'750--r arms, r Ms, was necessary to preserve the ere,.
consideration of great importance, which related
the contrads between master .' and servant. The a:e ..-. opr oli *
to :::3--''''--I:cler and discipline in these Corps- lher•
;_rea,a'antlernan had then adverted to the rob—
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.e..,,e-e-
Volenteer Service might go to alter , the nature!.'.3... ''':'Ffll.-:,,•.'-on and the subsequent eopdition. I.{..iAd,i,
of 'thin contritd altogether. It must be evidce. ••,,-e'lea:e ' .npon this subjed the justice' of what 'lO
that those Servants.. who were in Volunteer Core .: -,- • • "'.troed by the Hon. and Learned Geotlctls
. --- •
and who might ge to drill whenever they ple.•secte ---,- teasx-N a) with resped to Volunteers %shot' •
, ,kr , ' .
•might, • out-of-pique towards their masted .io - ',-a,o-1-elteir services-for s,specific time, and besitlest
when they were mist wanted. The Farmer, thus-. -e,.. (ha. number of days of exercise had been alt,
lye
liable to injury froth his servants, might alit gether , from sto 24., the Volunteer mightsay, that there 1.%) • .1
give up the ptadice °tithing by the year, becaus`, a different sere,ice established to what lie had agrf,e.
when he. went to a Magistrate to require compensa4 'to, and he had therefore no. oblation to alter t 7„ • '
tiun for the lass of 'his servants' time upon such,i, prOviso reteting to this subject. With respe6t t"
duty, he must necessarily do it with a bad grit what had beeo urged relative to servants enrolling‘
and, from the bias of men's minds,- was litible 4eo . in Volunteer Ceres, the .Honourable Member (13/11- 1 •
considerable obloquy upon.suchan occasi..n. '"...;..! h e WHITBREAD ed) a. the House would observe, that.
-
remedy,
.therefore, which suggested i,s; :c -: /the the -Bill was founded upon the Defence. Ad, and Ilia, ti '
Faithers, was, to .hire by the tAlrek, a• 4 *then '. under that ACt no exemption Was considered,,wite
if the servant, went to .atetot a N/.:.! ~,.... corps • respect to servants, -their dory to the Public bel-96
at a time when he was roost' µ:-“,:,:, `;, might conceived to be of much greater importance drat
at ' the end of the week be '. eo eo-.ed. . The the contract between Master and Servant. -'--ie 4;
Government- had Volunteers . , eo, 0 ttle:et talc. deratood- 'that great impedimentS had been than
servants and anprily a-- ,tooe thcr tnas- in the way of the volunteer systlem by Masters I.:
tuts:. • Apprentices- who re ~''' ' i no Oay for their different parts of the country, coMplaimeg of °el
V°l4ll-
labour, had frequently ee :- o :eeot -`. ,e.ihtee.r Coris,.. -servant's neglettiog'their business to atteno
attended drills, ~mug ,e:',:i ' - .1-tasters, and pocket- jeer Corps ; but though in the first inst..nee Coe}
_
a- I
ed shilling. to sperai as taey pleased. 'To this he might exercise-a great number ofdays, yet nosy th'i, t
entirely objetted ; a statement had been. laid urain only exercised a sufficient -number to entitle therot •
the Table of the.nUmber ofVoloniecrs, upon whichextontitions, therefore the' objection with resl'''..c
as-to their efficiency he did not.rely, but certainly, to servants exercising would be in a great
tneou,o
.there was -enough without= taking Servants and rip_ , none away. But it had been said that haviogia64
prentices,, 1-I.e. ~)b,et-veci, that there was a ptovi_ great a number of Volunteers (and he thanked-4-''
;slot; in the, Bill. for paylog:Arenourets
.forsleaning they were so numerous) why take Servants and /1?;
the Arms of Vo,lunteer Corps ;he ccsild not conceive • I,6icic:_s ? He was not'however disposed to- give ttre
Why other paythents were notdireaed'to Ajutants any' part of the number of Volunteers ,upon soc-1
and others, who were assisting in disciplining these -ground. He.confessed he looked torwasd to tinCo;
•Corps. :They had beetateld -three weeks since, that siderable defalcation of the Volunteer7systelo, hn,
the Enemy were :,:hort.ly exrected, and yet ••the Bill always wished to call the attention ,of the 1-100eeca
hael,not it:tithed through the-House. Many Volunteer this circumstance; that they had still the 1)4e.n0 ,
-Corps were still Qnt even provided with'the necesaa-• Mt to rely upon. In supposing' this delatOt'-o i
ries,for a march, nor had they any funds tO bOy them ; , therefore, he would nor consent to lay aside SOlr`if7s
I
,= ~ti,
.with respect to this subjed, he 'wished to know and Apprentices from the Volunteers, particulad)
cat
where they were 10 104 for. them, or-how to apply in Many marinfatturing towns the Apprentice, fortl.',,,
Jet them ? - With respeft to the recovery of Fines, a . the great mass of the population ; whilst under't'''n
deal of discussion: had' taken };face on a fOrtner night, Defence Ad they were liable to be called out 3°J,lnta
aa to the. questiON whether •ithprisentrient should be, be 'ultimately enrolled.
.The Hen. Georlet"''',:s t
in some eases, smmb,erituted fordistress ; but he ,was asked why not enad payments to the Dronin--;
cooSltilerably ,cirri ^d to f*Jlcl that' in the. 'present fee. et VolunteerCerps, as wellas the Arl"°-urevri7
Bill, imerisonment-Was not mentioned at all.; on the To .this he should answer, by referring t° the •Lne,
contcary, it :vas provided that seven days notice of litia, Where no allowances were en azied by tin} ' j
an-intended distress for Vines should be given; thiF., sitive laws, hut an estimate was to ought forw'r.
to a certain rlesltipoion. of • Volunteers, would only every year, for: the purpose of tnaking these Pli;
be. a ncrtike:te•tlin away. It appeared .to. him the; men's out of the Lind Tax, ,So with I- c,peet to 1•4`..e :
the Volunteer System was not amended by the pre- Volunteers, he siva:no:reason for potting into ttic
sent 1.1i11.; tbat, on'the,contrary, the Present measure ..Bill any enadraents .for allowances which' rotor '
would tend to disgust the Vuluntcsera aid create . continually Italele to alterations, whilst it could r;
great denbts and difileultie; andlieitionid therefore done so much more satistactotilv by an.Estion•ct: , • ,
oppose ioaltogetlier. •Ae had great doubts of the -whichcould be present
.ed every year, and obt.a.
efficaey of the Volunteer System ; but as eve had it would he open to every body for retnark, with ren,
•to answer the eme:tgenEY of the-moo:07r, lie thought, sped to any increase of expencr upon this 5,1.
it ought to be made as effedive as possible... . .
.jed. Ministers. had been- charged with a ri"e• •
~
Mr. Secretary koORKE said, that. ai the Hane economy, 6t3r- he knew well • the dia.' re'ce Je.'
„•OP
Gettrletran had,4one.ptetty much into detail, he ' tween that and a wise distribution ,of- exrern-'9 ej
thought it necessary in some measure to follow him.. the latter of. which they 'endeavoured to °4l'''ffe,
Wify die f lon. -Getitieman had supposed that the at, the same tiinc,-hethought ii necessary, tombs°for
...;.Bill was not calculated to render the Volunteers t that Patliarnent Might probably be catled.urlefac
more effedive than they are as it at regent stood, i some increase in the allowances to Voluoteerst
Ireee
he was at a loss to conceive. „Ile slicoA. proeed an Ilona Gentleman had saitf, that' several V°4l;att'i
ow 7- jai
,a.i eat -
.to. the.chuse objeded to by ahollaiaa.G•eri. Corps were still unprovided 'with nacessmi.a- eces-
lerrian, conceiving that there was no question now • march; and knew nut where to ....prly. for ti', ate,
as to the principle of the.Vnluriteer Systent, bat only sary funds :. in answer to which he ,s-ii'dithi 4A-saat•ial.
. that when Volunteers, were called out i
hi.y far the
,present Bill could he -rendered effeetive.
f•he Him, Gentleman had expre•sea a wish. that the • service, the.y were intitied toewo'guineas
s.
exemptions
were wholly taken a-way-from the Vo. • provide theMselves with necessaries, tviiici '''''„aso $
lunteers, but upon this subjeA he must observe, •ficientafor the purpose, and that- the-re vias:gyer•
that if any Gentleman- would take -the trouble to , provision made for supplying them with 1-` to,
look into th_Defenee Aft, :he wouldj.odthere-the sacks, Canteens, Ste; -Whilst upon an etnerg 103
arrangement made for the enrolment taf. Volunteers.. -' they nsight use . a Stocking for a . Haverslei'tnara
This being the caae,thelioly.qtrestiOn-wera-,---Whether. a. Bottle:for a Canteen. The Honourable Gteoa
the general provisions of tile Defence Aft took diem man had expressed his surprize, that nothiog ivi if
out of the general LaW'w i.lerespett to exemptions? • imprisonment was mentioned in the Bid, 0,414
and, the Crown:Lawyeranaereeof• capita& -that-the;;-he had _been ~in the House at theoitne, he jo,
eXempticos extenmied to thoniodisc;iminately. Be hdveilano.wn that he (Mr. YORuE) objected cod- bc.
Jhatas it anight,:howevere m the exemptions hadbeent prisonnlent, and that it was at length agl3s iC
,:giiieri en • the Veio nfteis*:.in general,
,acid could not - the House .to leave the clause pretty much
„let,
:.be- taken tenety .without ra manifest beeacb Of faith. ' viaS'.:'A,s. to giving seven days notice of an .oe;t
It ' had been said, -tlirat the exreopti...oss ought to distres4be thought it. was but 'reasonable 1111, nl,•.
loree been whollyetaken twayfreci time, Volunteers, to give that notice to the person. wloolvAs ".'ne 0
they . having- the right of "resignation ;• but he jeti of. the penalties, in
.older to give hitit rti''' ea
'could nut but.considerasiach :a InO,Ore as extremely pay them, instead. of • resonting imreediate: tilt
unitise •in its priricHPl/. antr4trghly inea.Pedient, distress, -which must
.tend g-reatly to ei11.i,110,, tlit
in poitit of policy. With respett to ot-tur.andina4 family. :WiCn renTa to What had been sal"; wing
Offkers granting leave-ofalisenca and me:4o of Hen. General (General TARLEToN).as to .'l°- -ref
a 0, ea
~•
votunteet Corps.thers_ky standing kchanceot losing able-to-find arm orderly Dragoon in, Bristo.-Gice!•
their exemptions, tile, fion.9entivolrk-Nrf. Wf-tt,ri a message, he had to observe, that the 1400' to tlic
- BREAD) Would find, that there was a Special PrOvi.: had no right to giveAthe order alluded " there
sion made, with remelt to siCie'nesse.aeherebv yo- Comdlindee 'of the- Bristol, .C:ivMay ; b,ule tatidi-
luoteerS thus situated:m.ight be entitled to their ex, . were •at Bristol some orderly Seojeaotse'na. not.
emptions, although to attend ;as to urgent tia, and why the; Honourable Geneial. %titian. .
ebosineis, when leave of absence might -be granted send one of those, lie did net et:l4lY., tloc
' for four months, it was not unreasonable to ask these stand. It should, hoWever, be underatooo,
thef
tO'Whom such leave of .absence was granted, to make when the: Volunteers. were not on actual.d,lo:4,re
.up their dumber' of days of attendance in the course. were not under the cetninand of any General.;
~, of
of the remainder of the year. : The nest point. ad_ was no doubt they would he.perfectly williegoroe of
vetted to by the Hon. Gentleman was, that there on- any .service that was required of their] its c_`t, 141
was no penalty attathed to the Obinrnanding_Officer emergency, but :the H-on. General had no p°wrgioe.
in consequence of thaking nosteturn. to answer to send one 'of the Volunteer Cavalry on aoY 'eca ttO
this, however, heethouelit it an extreme case to , As to what had been stated with rest [that ;fie
stappose; that aecOmmanding Officer should omit to do Frnuae Selwood Leion,, the case was this, raol4r
- . that which wasati such great importance to his CorPs. Commanding Officer wanted to give. a l'a
oei,
----He had only met with one case cif that description coinp4nY tlw.prededence-to this the odic", adt.%
._.. ..,._ —__ .._____.
and that arose- from a' misconception of the caw upon ed., Considerable disputes arose, and o„ ti:e Case
,0 •
01
ilieaubjed, and as no law •respeding ,Volunteera represented to him, hc (Mr.Yoatt.e) advised ''', Ire
ateu, ,
, had provided against such a circumstance, it proved cable accommodation; but that out being effe . per
e that' it was no griev.ance. Upon anailul- point it Corps Was dissolved, and the Companies taere,A, tat
hati.been asked, whether the rules and regulations wards re-established upon another footing.
eels lief
-of a COrpe were not to he considered as of any ef- what had been said with resped to the Volautan,ae.°
fed', ooless approved of by His Majesty ? He 'con- ing liable to he called o'utin case of the appead'
ow, fie
ceived they were of force unless abrogated by • His an Enemy off any -part of the'United.Kl"B, 001
"I'llaje-sly-, .the only objet`.[ being to giiTe His -Ma_ - • rePeated what he had before stated, as to th. jos i'''t
- jesseY a poWer of abrogating them, if necessary.. As its which the words relating to that prev.liski ndei
to the next point, that a Commanding-OffiCer might . been introduced; but observed, that ha vvP' , eocer
1,T0f6 Jo
deprive a Volunteer of his exemptions, by mukling rely upon the zeal . and energy of I
t ..te
ring 0,
b
him one•day's exemption on 'the .24th day, after he here, in case of any hostile itopressiooe•
had attended the preceding 23, he considered this as. upon Ireland. - •• - - - see,.
not very likely to happert,as the r•Q ri
Commandant was t ._'.
Gen. TART rots and Mt. WHI-rg"1)
obliged .co make a return upon the spot, perhaps rah i - I
y e.xp_atntt., oti
lcrst°, a
not till two months afterwards; there was thefefore
Mr. T GRENVILLE said he h:l4 un.. !le t'''
sufficient time fur him to recensider any att done in ' .T.
• ' itted, but 3s- icoooi
that the Bid Was, to be. re.-cemm nnea to
the heat of the moment, and to return any .man a's
ton of that kind ht.. Wl'• ,
exempted wheth be had previously struck our: heard no "gg-eSt • - ' vet
in what state the discussion was. '-oo '
The Hon. Gentleman had objetted to give a power to oest' • ierae
Commanding Officers to put a Volunteer und4 ' The SPEAKER stated she: the q eano( 1,4
„et' e o
arrest ; it appeared to him, however, that such la" that the Report be nOi'v'taken into tc.:l°,
ula titers
• • it lA°
power given to CointhandiogOfficers whilst the Corps tion ; if 641 Motion was earned,