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have allowed the manager to act without control. The
committee acquitted theme gentlereenof any moral blame,
judgment,
and considered that their errors were errors of
and not of intention. While such was the opinion of the
shareholders, what encouragement had the public prose-
cutor to proceed ? But that time had gone, and many
of these shareholders might entertain different views
now ; but up to the present time no shareholder, or de-
positor, or party interested in any way, had complained
to him. They had done what was more becoming their
position—they had organised themselves into an associa-
tion for the purpose of themselves conducting a searching
and complete investigation into the matter. There was
an association formed in Glaqgow, and he had received a
letter from the chairman—not in answer to anything he
bad written, but a perfectly volunteer communication—
stating that arrangements were complete for the com-
mencement of the inquiry, that funds had been sub-
scribed to conduct it, and that an accountant had been
appointed who would commence his inquiry on the 19th
inst. That gentleman added that none of those gentle-
men knew of anything which would, justify a criminal
prosect.tion ; bat that if they heard of anything they
would put him (the Lord Advocate) in possession of the
facts. It was evident that those gentlemen knew their
affairs better than their representative in that house.
(Hear, hear.) With that statement, he left the matter
iu the hands of the house.
Mr. E. ELLICE contended that farther proceedings
should take place, either in the form of a prosecution, or
of a bill for preventing such disasters in future. Thou-
sands of poor persons had been induced to place their
money in the bank owing to the supposed respectability
of the directors; the ruin and distress had been immense.
It was imperatively necessary that the position of banks
should receive greater publicity.
Mr. BLACKBURN said that the depositors would
lose nothing; their claims would ultimately be satisfied
in full. Not one of the directors bad appropriated the
money of the bank; they were all great losers by its
failure. He did not know why this bank should be
singled out among the many large houses which had
failed during the crisis.
Mr. J. D. FITZGERA.LD contended that there had
been neglect so gross on the part of the directors that it
amounted to criminality. He considered inquiry of
some kind to be necessary.
Mr. MONCRIEFF deprecated prosecutions under.
taken in compliance with popular feeling, without any
eommunieatiou of the facts to the proper authcrities. In
the ease before them they should wait till the state of the
bank was more fully investigated by the ordinary tri-
bunals.

of my bon, and gallant friend and the hon gentleman
opposite, quite ashamed to throw any difficulty in the
way of carrying into effect the object for which this mo-
tion was introduced. (Hear, hear.) I shall therefore
take upon myself the responsibility of looking to the
fulfilment of the wishes of my hon. and gallant friend
upon the subject of providing for the completion of a
monument which is ao intimately associated with the
glory and the reputation of this country. (Cheers.)
CONTINUOUS SERVICE MEN.

Sir C. NAPIER moved for a return of the number of
continuous service men who had accepted their dis-
charge, and then crossed the quarter deck and entered
for five years.
Sir J. PAKINGTON suggested to the bon. and gal-
lant admiral that it would be desirable he should not
press his motion at present, promising that he would
take an early opportunity of communicating with the
gallant admiral as to how far it was possible to comply
with the terms of the motion.
The motion was then withdrawn.
DUMFRIES MILITIA.

Mr. B. JOIINSTONE, in calling attention to this
subject, took occasion to state that he had heard that
10,000 of the embodied militia were about to be disem-
bodied, and that he had consequently felt it his duty to
wait upon the Secretary of State for war to represent to
him the peculiar position in which the Dumfries regiment
of militia was placed. He had also called upon the
Under Secretary for War, and mentioned to him that
the regiment in question had been ordered last Nov.
from Scotland to Aldershot, where it was stationed at the
present moment. He had added that agricultural labour-
ers were hired in Dumfriesshire only twice a-year, viz.,
in the months of Nov. and March, and that, as a conse-
quence, the men who composed the regiment had just
missed the time when they could hope to be employed.
The Seeretary for War had informed him that the prin-
ciple which was to be adopted in the case of the militia
was to continue the enlistment of those regiments which
had contributed the greatest number of volunteers to the
line, and which were, moreover, in the highest state of
efficiency. He (Mr. Johnstone) had stated in reply that
his regiment required only 20 men to complete its quota,
while in point of efficiency it was second to none in the
service. He desired to impress upon the house the hard-
ship it was upon the men to send them back to Scotland
at a time when it would be impossible for them to obtain
employment, the only periods at which agricultural la-
bourers were hired in that country being March and
Ni_vsmber. In order to show the:efficiency of the officers
of the regiment, he might mention that one of the captains
had taken a first-class certificate at Hythe. He thought
tit, circumstances of the case were so peculiar as to
justify him bringing them under the notice of the house,
and hoped, therefore, he had stated sufficient grounds
for the Government to reconsider this case. (Hear.)
Gen. PEEL perLotly appreciated the kindly motives
that induced the hon. gentleman to bring forward this
subject, but he thought that when he beard the expla-
nation of the reasons for the step of which he com-
plained, the hon. gentleman would be convinced of its
necessity. The circumstances under which the militia
were called out were these :—ln consequence of the
drain of troops from this country to India it was deter.
mined to embody 25,000 militia. At that time the num-
ber of rank and file of the regular army in England was
45,998. When he came icto office he found on the let
of April the number of embodied militia amounted to
29,915, and the rank and file of the regular army to
71,581, being an increase of 25,000 men. The only vote
which had been taken on account of the militia was one
of 100,0001. That sum wi IA only maintain 10,000
men for six months, and of course, with 30,000 it would
only suffice for two months. Unless, therefore, an addi-
tional vote was taken, it became necessary to reduce
the number of embodied militia regiments. The
principle upon which the reduction was effected by his
Royal Highness the Commander-ic-Chief was to dismiss
first those regiments which bad not contributed their full
quota of volunteers to the Line, and thus it was that
the regiment in question had been selected for disem-
bodiment.
Mr. F. SCOTT confirmed the statements of the hon.
member for Canterbury as to the peculiar hardship of
discharging the Dumfriesshire Regiment at this time.
Had they been disembodied before the 25th of last
month no objection would have been made.
Toe house then went into Committee of Supply, Mr.
FITZEOT in the chair.

Mr. P. O'BRIEN protested making a question of
public morality depend upon the pecuniary result of the
affairs of the bank.

Mr. BUCHANAN repeated that the directors of the
Western Bank had not taken any part of the funds, and
were depositors in the bank. He denied the charge of
conspiracy made against the directors. They were men
who bore the character of the highest honour and re-
spectability.
Mr. ATIIERTON admitted that the directors had
stuck by the bank, and had involved themselves and
their relatives in the common ruin. But their declara-
tion of a dividend which they were not in a condition to
pay was the declaration of a falsehood. He hoped the
Lord Advocate would see reason to institute proceedings
i❑ the matter.

Mr. H. JOHNSTONE thought a searching investi-
gation necessary after the misery caused by the failure
of the bank.

Mr. COWAN thought that some remedy should be
devi,ed against the recurrence of such disasters, especi-
ally in respect of the system of accommodation bills.
Mr. DRUMMOND denounced the accommodation
system, and inveigled against the conduct of the Duke
of Argyll and other noble persons, who had passed a
public resolution in its favour,
After a few words from Mr. FINLAY and Sir L. COLE-
PROOKE,
Sir M. S. STEWART defended the conduct of those
noblemen who had passed a resolution in favour of the
Scottish system of banking.
After Mr. BARROW bad protested against the con-
tinuance of the debate,
Mr. TURNER urged inquiry into th.:. conduct of the
bank.

The subject then dropped.
THE NELSON MONUMENT IN TRAFALGAR
SQUARE.

Admiral WALCOT l', who had given notice of his
intention to call attention to this subject, said that there
were times when parsimony on the part of the Govern-
ment was a cause of national shame and reprehension.
In the very heart of that great city—the central square
through which its population and every visitor from the
country and every foreigner had to pass—London had
for years presented the humiliating spectacle of a me-
morial to our greatest naval hero left incomplete. It
was unnecessary to remind the house that when he first
went to sea the name of Nelson made our navy the pride
and hope of this country. On it depended the very
existence of this island and her colonies. With the com-
mand of the sea they stood or fell. While Europe saw
her armies melt away before a general hitherto irresis-
tible, Nelson transferred one by one the successive fleets
of our enemies to the harbours of Portsmouth and Ply-
mouth. At Copenhagen, as at the Nile, he obtained, in
his own emphatic words, "not a victory but a con-
quest." Tile man who had subjugated a continent de-
clared that the fates decreed to France the empire of the
land, but to England the sovereignty of the sea ; and
Talleyrand assigned, as the limits of British supremacy,
wherever a frigate could find water to float her. The
crippled maimed body and indomitable spirit of a Nelson
preserved these shores from the horrorsof invasion and by
a uaartyt's death atTraf Algar laid open the road to Water-
loo. He spoke in no spirit of braggarty. He trusted
that the sword was sheathed for ever in amity with
those once our roost formidable enemies and now our
firmest allies, and that the mingled blood shed before
Seba.topol had consecrated a perpetual friendship be-
tween us. (Hear, hear.) But he was quite sure that that
chivalric nation, which had never been wautiug in offer-
ing tributes of honour to its own fallen worthies, must
observe with feelings which he did not cure to describe
our lamentable display of indifference to a man of whom,
if one of themselves, they would have considersd the
noblest and most costly monument too unworthy. A
very moderate grant would provide the accessories of
the Nelson column. A foreign king had been a subscriber
to its completion, but he hoped that we might be spared
any such significant censures for the future. He trusted
that the Government would not allow any further delay
to occur before they redressed a signal wrong to the ines-
timable services rendered by the heroic, Nelson, and re-
moved a staading reproach to English gratitude. (Hear.)
He therefore appealed to the house to support him in
urging that duty upon their immediate consideration.
(Hear, hear )
Mr. %V. WILLIAMS expressed his entire concurreno•
in the observations which bad fallen from the hon. and
gallant admiral who had just spoken. He had always
looked upon it as a great disgrace to England that she
should have allowed to remain so long uncompleted the
monument to one whose achievements constituted her
greatest glory. (Hear, hear.) &fore he sat down he
wished to call the attention of the right hon. gentleman
the Chancellor of the Exchequer to the inconvenience
which resulted from the present system of bringing for-
ward motions in going into committee of supply, and to
suggest that arrangements might be entered into by
which that inconvenience might be obviated, and a
greater economy of the time of the house effected.
Toe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—It is
not for me to attempt to restrict the privileges of the
House of Commons. I have in the course of my experi-
ence in Parliament known many attempts to be made
with that object, all of which proved to be fruitless ;
and I feel convinced, sir, that the beet policy for any
Government to adopt in reference to the subject is to
trust to the good sense and good temper of the house in
the conduct of the public business—(hear)—and not to
attempt to influence its proceedings by effecting any
change in those rules to which we have so long been
accustomed, and which we all regard and venerate. I
can, however, assure the hon. member who has just
spoken that I shall be ready to take into consideration
any suggestion which he might think proper to make
with respect to this question, while my own impression
certainly is, that the wisest plan for one holding the
position which I have the honour to occupy is to place
full reliance upon the kind assistance of the house, and
not to endeavour to control its action by artificial regu-
lationo. (Hear.) In reply to the observations of nay hon.
and gallant friend behind me, I can only say that I am
not surprised he should have brought under our notice
a subject upon which I rnyrelf have al ways felt strongly,
and in which he- -a elistiaaui.hed ornament of that gal-
lant profession to which Nelson belonged— nay oatu-
ra'ly be supposed to take even a stili deeper interest. I
entirely concur with nay hon. and gallant friend in the
opinion that the name of Nelson is the glory of this
country, as I think that his monument is its shame.
(Cheers.) It is, however, a work, of difficulty to remedy
all that has taken place io connection with that unfortu-
nate undertaking. For my own part, I cannot help look-
ing upon it as a great national mistake that monuments
to the memory of Be itish worthies of the cla•-s to which
Nelson belonged chunk! not be erected until after the
lapse of so long a time after death has snatched them
from among ue, and that even then the erection of those
monuments should be intrusted in the bands of private
persons. lam aware of no single instance in which in-
dividual efforts have been successful in the attainment
of that object. (Hear.) Private subscriptions labour
under the disadvantage of having to be dealt with in
their application by too many persons, and their ma-
nagement furnishes but too often another instance of
that system of double government which is no
1 niger in fashion. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
There ought, in my opinion, to exist upon the part of a
nation a stronger sense of the recoguition due to the
merits of its heroes than I regrat to think prevails in this
country. (Hear.) A want of public spirit and of public
feeling in the case of a man like Nelson ca .not indeed
be laid to our charge, but we certainiy are open to the
imputation of a want of taste and of an absence of the
habit of coming forward at the right time to recognise
as we ought to do the services of our illustrious men.
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remark of Nelson that he stands alone. The greatest men
in every department of hutuan action find their equals.
Our illustrious Wellington is compared with our famous
Marlborough. Bat when we come to consider the
achievements of Nelson we find that he has no rival.
(Hear, bear.) It might be said of him, as Cardinal Je
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my hon. and gallant friend that it is a disgrace to this
country that his monument should not long since have
been completed, and, although our finances are not in a
very flourishing condition, I feel, after the observations

SUP PLY. —EXCHEQUE R BILLS.
A vote of 20,911,500/. to meet Exchequer-bi 11 &Din
due was agreed to.

• NAVY These estimates were thEenSTIMATES proceeded. with.
Upon the vote of 70,4391. to defray the expenses of
, the Admiralty-office,
Sir C. NAPIER said he could not allow the oppor-
. Welty to pass without calling attention to the uosatis-
, factory constitution of the Admiralty-office at present.
He thought the business would be better managed if
there were three imteai of six lords. When the right
hon. baronet the member for Carlisle was at the head cf
the navy he t ffected very great changes. He established
he offices of Surveyor of the Navy, Controller of the
Victualling Departinen'e the heads of the medical de-
pertinent, the Accountant-General's Department, and
the Storekeeper-General's Department. That established
independent responsibility, and there could be no doubt
of the efficiency of the officers who filled those offices,
but over each department was placed a Lord of the Ad-
miralty. That system destroyed responsibility, and
introduced all the evils of double government, which
were now so much deprecated. The hon. and gallant
admiral described the mode of doing business at the
Admiralty as in the highest degree unsatisfactory, and
such as greatly to impede the public service. What he
would propose was that the navy should have the
power o, governing itself ; that there should be a Mini-
ster of Marine, assisted by the vice and rear admirals of
Great Britain ; that the Minister should take the advice
of the admirals, but only act upon it if he saw fit to do
. so. It was impossible, with the duties divided among
six Lords of the Admiralty, that they cou'd be well die-
charges. They sat in separate leo its, and, as he could
testify, often issued contradictory orders, for he had
himself, when coin ear ding the Channel fleet, and also
in the Baltic, received orders directly opposed to each
other. If the right hon. gentleman the First Lord of
the Admiralty would order a commission, he would find
that the entire system was one in which a change was
• loudly demanded. There were Lords of the Admiralty
present who would probably rise and say he was all in
the wrong, but if a commission was appointed he be-
lieved there was not a clerk at the Admiralty who
would not give evidence against them. He moved that
the vote be reduced by 3,0001.
Sir J. PAKINGTON said the constitution of the
Board of Admiralty had been defended on former occa-
sions with so much ability by the right hoe, gentleman
the member for Carlisle, and the right gentleman the
member
that i t
was unnecessary for him, in office, to make any
who for
kadbe Halifax,
en
onlya few weeks
lengthened observatione and he regretted that the hen.
and gallant officer had Oven no notice whatever of the
proposal he meant to [sake, as till he rose he (Sir J.
Pakington) had no idee of the nature of that proposal.
The hon. and gallant admiral spoke of the double govern-
ment at the Admiralty, but he really was unable to see
anything of the nature of a double goverment,. [Sir C.
Napier--" Triers are doable offices."] There were double
offices, no doubt, but that was a totally different thing.
He entirely agreed in all that could be said as to the
great Inconvenience that arose from the division of the
business of the Admiralty into two establishments ; but
it was clearly impossible that any vote of the committee
could correct the evil. it arose from the greet amount
of business which the Admiralty had to dischatge. The
Admiralty building was not large enough for the trans-
action of that business', and it was necessary teat that
three-fourths of the clerks and all the important branches
except the Surveyor-General's department ehoald be
located in Somerset house because there was not room
enough at the Admiralty ttr their accommodation. The
attention of Parliament had been drawn to the neces-
sity of constructing new Government offices, and when-
ever that was done he trusted that the whole of the Ad.
miralty establishment would be brought under one roe.
His experience, although short, enabled him to agree
with the gallant admiral in saying that it was impossible
to speak too highly of the ability of the gentlemen
at the head of the civil departments of the Ad-
mira!ty. Toe business of the Admiralty, however, was
of a pecul'ar character. Professional and civil duties
were mixed up together, and the public service was
greatly promoted by naval officers of experience and
ability acting as junior Lords of the Admiralty. The
gailant admiral proposed that the First Lord should be
assisted by a naval council, composed of the ViceeArl
reiral and the Rear-Admiral of England. He would,
therefore, se far narrow the board as to substitute two
lords for the present five junior lords. He was not pre-
pared to senction that proposal. Sr fax as his short ex-
perience enabled him to judge, the advice, counsel, and
experience of four professional gentlemen was not only
First
of great advantage to the
benefit to the public. He could not assent to the motion
of the gallant admiral, and he trusted that he would not
press it to a division.

The amendment Was thou negatived, and the vote agreed
to.

On the vote of 118,5921. for Coastguard service and Royal
Naval Coast Volunteers.
Sir C. NAPIER said that, having had the opportunity
given to him by Commodore Eden of inspecting the Coast-
guard, he thought that the present condition of that body
was highly satisfactory. The
principle of a naval militia as
embodied in the Royal Naval Coast Volunteers was a sag'
gesti .n of his own, Tgide so lon ago al 1819 , and repeated
by him half-a
-dozen times since. The plan had not yet boon
Carried out far eneagit, for the term of 28 days was not
sufficient for exorcising the men. He thought that the
g
Coastguard obtained their pensions too easily, and that it
cause great discontent among the
would be better to call upon thin to serve a longer period
'At )resent
afloat before they became entitled to a penal"' '
the privileges gives to the Coastguard were calculated to
20 yea, s afloat before they ,--t a pension. The great object
of the Admiralty should be to- hold out more encouragement
to seamen to outer the Royal navy.
Why should not the Ships were now four,
five, and even sir mouths before they could be manuod•
seamen, who had to serve
kit to the sailor fft well as to the soldier 7 The Admiralty
ought to have a dent of tell sail in the Channel all the sum-
Government
mer, and a Coasrguarcl blockship should go out and cruise
give both a bounty and a
with the fleet.

Admiral WALCOTT recommended that a training brig
should be attached to each Coastguard ship.
Sir J. PAKINGTON would rewind his lion. and gallant
friend that uuder the regulations of his predecessor at the
Admiralty ore or two ,gunboats were attached to each of the
Coastguard .hips, lie felt the free of what the gallant Al.
miral (Na'Ail') had said upon the danger that the Coastguaid
men, however good and valuable in the first instance, wou'd
become less efficient as they
their seagoing experience. Be
remained on shore, unless son
steps were taken to keep up
would not lose sight of this subject.
Admiral WALCOTT said that gunboats not being squaw,
rigged were
ledge of the co st volunteers. Their only use was to prevent
perfectly useless for keeping up the naval know,
a disposition to sea-sickness, (A laugh.)
Sir C. WOOD said that when they wanted to increase the
number of coastguards it was necessary 83 an inducement to
mince the number of years' service, but having filint up the

numbers it was no longer necessary to spread their net so been kind enough to inform the house that certain alterations
widely. _ _ _ of which he did not approve were made in 1850 ; but, fail-
The vote was agreed to, and also a vote of 30,615/. for the ing in that courtesy which was usually shown by one official
scientific branch, man to another, he had not given the slightest notice of his
Upon a vote of 81,631/, for her Majesty's establishments at intention to make that statement to anybody who was con-
home, I nected with the Admiralty at that time. He did not know
Col. BOLDERO said he wished to put some questions to whether the right hon. baronet had obtained his information
the late First Lord of the Admiralty. In consequence of his from Mr. Bromley, but that gentleman was not at the Admi-
being chairman of the committee on contracts which sat last ratty when the alteration in question was made; and although
year, a letter had come to him, dated the 4th of April, 1857, the change itself might appear wrong to the right hon. hart.,
in these terms : who had been only a short time in office, the committee
" My dear Sir,—After all the assurances which we have re- , should know that it was effected by a most intelligent officer
ceived that the Government never give out important orders s who was connected with the Admiralty in 1850. For his own
but by contract, and always accept the lowest tender for S part he was still of opinion that the Surveyor of the Navy was
stores, you will be surprised to hear that a very large private better able to frame an estimate than the aecountaut-Gene-
order for prepared meats, upwards of half a million pounds' ral, who merely kept the accounts ; and at all events, when
weight, have been given to Messrs. So-and-So for the service the right hon. baronet next travelled out of his way to
in China, without any public notice of the requirement, and 1 attack the conduct of his predecessor in 1850, he would take
consequently Messrs. So-and-So have had an unrestricted it as an act of jhstice if he would have the kindness to
price. Besides this being an act of injustice to the trade, the ' give him seme previous notice of his intention, (Hear, hear.)
public service will be injured by the inferiority of the articles He confessed that he could not understand the explanatory
arising out of the haste and the unseasonable period at which statement of the right hon. baronet. The result of it, how-
they are preserved, particularly should meat form a portion, ever, was- the very uncomfortable one that the house would
whereas, if the contract had been thrown open to competition, have to vote an additional sum of 30,0001. He might be per-
the Government would have found themselves amply provided mated to say that that discrepancy which the right hon.
with meats in a state ready for immediate shipment, and baronet had pointed out was not so remarkable or uncommon
which had been put up at a proper season in good order, On as he seemed to imagine. When an establishment was re.
the contrary, an unfair preference has been given, to the duced, it did not follow that the reduction in the expense
detriment of the public service. This is sad jobbing, and lam would be equal to the reduction in the number of the men.
not at all surprised at the general expression of discontent Sir J. PAKINGTON could not too strongly express his re-
wheneverpublic contracts are mentioned, (Cries of "Name !") gret at finding that most unconsciously and unintentionally
He would show the letter to the late and the present First he had given offence to the right hon. baronet opposite. The
Lord of the Admiralty, and when he had done so he was sure best proof he could give of the innocence of his intention was
they would both admit the respectability of the authority, that at the moment be spoke he did not recollect that the
and that it was such as could not for a moment be supposed right hon. baronet was the First Lord of the Admiralty in
to give information not founded on fact. The Admiralty inva- 1850. (A laugh.) If he had recollected that circumstance
riably obtained their supplies by open tender, and they ac- be might have given him notice, but still he was not quite
cepted the lowest tender, provided the contractor was proved certain that he would have done so, ivasmuch as he did not
to be a man of substance. It was also the system of the East attack the right hon. baronet or anybody else. (Hear, hear.)
India Company; but not of the army. They had three courses He simply stated a fact which the right hen. baronet had now
by which to obtain supplies —by open tender, by an office-list, confirmed, that in 1850 a change was made with respect to
or by purchasing on the spur of-the moment. The questions the management of these votes. The right hon. baronet
arising out of this letter which he wished to ask were— thought the alteration a good one; but that it was bad the
whether the supply referred to was delivered, and, if so, was committee had a practical proof in the errors which had crept
it rceeived or rejected? What was the nominal value? In what into the estimates. (Hear, hear.) His own opinion was,
part of the estimates the transaction appeared ? And why it that those errors would not have Gemmed if the votes had
was not an open tender ? been brought under the supervision of the Accountant.
Sir C. WOOD was afraid he could not answer the questions. General, (Hear, hear.) The right hon. baronet had stated
The hon. and gallant officer was rather behind time. This that 30,000/. was wanted to cover a deficiency of last year.
was an order given in April, 1857, in reference to preserved There was a deficiency to that amount to be covered, but he
meats, which must have been sent out to China 12 months understood it was partly met by a surplus of 20,000/. in
ago. Why, on earth, did not the hon. and gallant member another vote, and therefore no larger sum than 10,000/.
put his question last year would have to be provided in some other way. (Hear.)
Col. BOL DERO said the letter was not in his possession. Sir F. BARING said that such an arrangement might have
Sir C. WOOD understood that it was received a year ago, been as that referred to by the right hon. gentleman, but he
It was impossible to remember the details of a transaction did not recollect it.
which occurred a year ago, or to answer questions on those Sir C. WOOD said that if there were a mistake it was
details, especially when put without notice. (Hear.) With quite of the right hon. gentleman's own making. (Hear, and
regard to the general statement the hon. and gallant member a laugh.) The right hon. gentleman said that he (Sir C.
was entirely mistaken. It was not the invariable rule of the Wood) improperly reduced the estimate last year without
Admiralty to obtain all the supplies which they might re- regard to the establishment to be maintained, and that tho
quire by open contract and is invariably to take the lowest estimate was below the requisite amount to the extent of
tender. The practice which he pursued, and which was pur. 22,000/. Now, he found that the whole sum voted for the
sued 20 years ago, was, as a general rule, to take the lowest year 1855-56 —the last year of the war—was 864,0001. That
tender, but not to do so if another offer were more advanta. sum included 250,000/. for additional wages for extra work to
geeus for the public service. (Hear.) With regard to pre. be performed by task and job, and for the pay of hired men.
served meats, it was one of those items on which they were Deducting 250,0001. from 864,0001., there remained 614,000/.
bound to be most careful, It was quite impcssibse to be ear- as the sum required for the regular establishment For the
tain that that the meats were properly preserved. A quantity next year the sum voted was 839,000/., which included
had been sent to the Crimea, and some was bad before it got 225,000/. for extra work by task and job, and for the pay of
there, and some was good when it came back. Of meat pre- hired men, Taking 225,000/, from 839,0001., there remained
served by the same person sometimes a portion would fail at 614,000/. as the sum due for wages for the establishment.
the end of three months, and a portion not fail at the end of Now, the sum voted last year was 637,000/.,
three years. It would be most unwise to throw a contract exceeded the sum shown on the two preceding esti.
of that kind open to public competition, as the only security mates as due to the establishment by 23,0001. ; being
was to go to a person whom they had reason to trust, and 1000 f, more than the sum which the right hon. gen.
upon whom they could rely, (Hear, hear.) tleman said he (Sir C. Wood) had improperly dealt with,
Mr. MILNES said that if the Admiralty went on the plan The right hon. gentleman had made something like a charge
of taking the lowest tender for preserved meats, they would that the estimates had been misstated, but all that was
get such trash as would be of no use whatever. The committee done was according to practice to put down the esti-
which sat some years ago on this subject came to the conclu- mates for the present year the vote of last year, and he did
sion that it was not always possible to get an entirely good not understand that the right hon. gentleman denied that
supply, even from the best contractors ; and they recom- the estimate for the present- year was adequate for the men
mended that the Admiralty should not make a point of proposed to be employed. Therefore, the vote of last year
accepting the lowest tender, and that they should, as much was correctly stated, and the estimatefor the present year was
as possible, adopt the principle of making their own preserved also correct in reference to the services to be performed.
meats, (Hear, hear.) When an end was put to task-work 23,000/.
Sir C. WOOD said that, to show the inequality of the sup- were provided for any occasional labour that might be re-
ply, he had lately tasted some of Mr. Goldner's preserved quired in the course of the year, and therefore the attack
meat, the contractor of whose supplies so much complaint made by the right hon. gentleman was totally unjustifiable.
had been made, which had been six years in store, and very (Hear, hear.) The fact was obvious. The right hon. gentle.
good it was, man was determined to make a reduction from what had
Sir F. BARING said, that so far from its being the rule at been proposed, and somehow or other took off 5 eOOO/., not
tie Admiralty to accept the lowest tender, when the Arctic knowing why or wherefore, and in order to justify himself
expedition was fitted out an order for the preserved meet was made an attack against him (Sir C. Wood). (" Hear," and
given to s contractor, in whom confidence was felt, to furnish cries of "Oh I")
the quantity required entirely without reference to price. Sir J. PAKINGTON could not too strongly express his
Sir J. ELPHINSTONE thought that sufficient care was not regret at the tone in which the right hon. gentleman had
taken as to the accuracy of the ehymicals used and the qua- spoken. (Hear, hear.) As a matter of business he could
lity of the meat preserved. If the animals preserved were not not avoid mentioning the circumstance, and new the right
of first-rate quality, the juices and the fat were lost, and when hon. gentleman charged him with making an utterly un-
it came to be eaten it was like so much ropeyarn. The atten- justifiable attack. He did not like these criminations and
t.on of the Admiralty might very advantageously be turned recriminations, and had said that at first he thought it was
to this matter, for if proper chymical antaseorbuties were ad. an accidental error ; but let hint tell the right hon. gentle.
ministered to the sailors, many more Years' work might be man, since he held such language, that he had got the
got out of them. right hon. gentleman's letters in his hand, though he did
The vote was then agreed to, as was a vote of 17,279/. not wish to make use of them. He had got the old estimate
to defray the expenses of her Majesty's esteblishment and the new estimate, and the changes—two changes—of the
broad. figures in red ink. He had got. too, the right hon. gentle-
On the vote of 486,921/. to defray the wages of artificers, man's letters directing those changes. (Hear, hear.) The
&c., employed in her Majesty's establishments at home, fact was incontrovertible that the Government last year
Sir J. PAKINGTON said that, before this vote was dis- prepared an estimate for 10,850 men, and at the last moment
cussed, it was necessary for him to call attentioneto tin error , knocked off 23,000 e., without making a corresponding reduc-
in the estimates as prepared by the late Government. He tion in the establishment. The result was that the estimate
did not mean to impute any blame to his predecessors, nor presented to the house gave an erroneous view of the expendi-
to those who had assisted him in drawing up the estimates; ture in last year. He had made no charge against the right
but, of course, it was of the greatest importance that ac. hon. gentleman, supposing that the error arose from the pre.
counts of this kind should be stated with accuracy. If the cipitatien with which the estimates were produced last year,
items of expenditure printed in the estimate did not corres- and he regretted the tone adopted by the right hon. gentle-
pond with the real amounts to be defrayed, the result was man. (Hear, hear.)
that both the members of the Government and the House of Sir C. WOOD was sorry if he had said anything to annoy
Commons were misled. The committee would recollect that the right hon. gentleman, but he thought an attack had
he objected on Monday night to adopt the number of men been made on him, He was speaking to a great disade
intended to be proposed by the late Government for the dock- vantage, because he could not refer to official documents and
yards—viz., 12,190, but proposed to take a vote of 50,0001,
to letters, which, under ordinary circumstances, would be in
for hired labour to meet the existing pressure in the dock- his possession. He proposed last year an establishment of
yards, as that was half of the apparent difference between the 10,850 men, for which 614,000/. were taken as an adequate
establishments of the last and the present years. The com- p tYmenb ; and he also "'proposed a sufficient sum, as he
mittee would perceive by the estimates that the proposed believed, beyond that to provide for hired artificers and extra
establishment of 12,190 men was estimated at 737,7511., labour, because it was not till the present year he proposed to
while the smaller stablishment of 10,85) was estimated at put the whole on the establishment. In the first estimate
637,751/., showing a difference of 10!,0001. It was on that Prepared last year a lower sum was contemplated than was
ground that he proposed on Monday to take a vote of 50,000/. ultimately taken, but he did not think it fair that an inten.
to carry on the works in the dockyards for the next six tion not carried into effect should be referred to. (Hear,
months, On Tuesday he requested the Surveyor of the Navy hoar.) In his belief 614,000/. formed an adequate sum for
to draw up a programme of those works on which that sum the wages of 10,850 men, though at one time he thought of
could be most beneficially expended. The answer he received taking a larger sum.
from that gentleman surprised him very much; for he sa'd, Sir F. SMITH referred to the amount of wages given in the
" You have not got 50,00 e/ ; you have only got 20,000/ " He 4ockyard, and observed that the men were very much under-
asked for an explanation and received an answer to the effect paid. The expense of house rent in such places as Chatham,
that 30,000/. of the 50,000/. that he bad obtained on Monday Portsmouth, and Davenport was very high, and it could not
would be required to make up a deficiency which by acci. be expected that men in the receipt of 13s. 6d a-week, who
dent occurred in the estimates for the Preceding year. He had to pay 3s. or 3s, Id. a-week for rent, could support their
(Sir J. Pakington) believed that it was an accident. He ought wives and families adequately' upon the remaining 10s. a-
to have explained that 10,000/., or thereanouts, of this deft- week. The consequence was, that those•underpaid labourers,
ciency arose from an increase in the wages paid to the la. although honest, could nob be zealous in the discharge of
bourers in the dockyard last year. The remainder of the de- their duties, but they husbanded their energies during the
ficiency arose from asking for less than the establiehment of day, in order that by working in the evenings they might
last year required. That error he believed was owing to the make some, addition to their miserable wages. He was in.
haste with which the estimates were cut down list year. The formed that bricklayers in London earned from 3s. to 3s. 6d.
original estimate was 22,000/. more than the estimateactually a-day, while the artisans in the dockyard boroughs (a laugh)
submitted to Parliament. The vote for Deptford dockyard, only received 2s. 2d. a-day. Ho hoped the First Lord of the
' for instance, was 36,5171. , but the original estimate was Admiralty would direct his attention to this subject.
40,472/. ; for Woolwich dockyard the vote was 75,271/., but Mr. P. W. MARTIN observed that workmen in private
the origial estimate was 79,7711, and so on. When the ship-building yards received ss. or ss. 6d. a-day, and he
entire estimate for the dockyards was reduced last year, no thought it was a mistaken economy to give so low a rate
corresponding reduction was made by the Government in the of wages to the artisans on the public establish-
number of men, He did not mention this matter to cast ments. It was the opinion of Mr. Stephenson, Sir S.
blame upon any one. It was in fact a business affair, and the Peto, and ether competent authorities, that men employed
o must be corrected. (Hear, hear,) Of course the officer in each labour as was performed in the dockyards ought to
error
frtlare Admiralty upon whom the blame might be supposed to have a good meal of meat daily, but many a time
rest was the Accountant-General, but he thought it duo to during his canvass—(laughter)—he
mang ftohueinrddintnheer
ewnehrkreiadng:
that able financier, who was deservedly mentioned in terms of men employed in the dockyard •
great praise on Monday night, to state that by a most ob. cheese, and potatoes. He believed that the saving effected
jectionable arrangement
made in 1850 this particular vote by underpaying these labourers was fully counterbalanced by
alsoaid
hcoymtphleai yearned that
were° p
was taken out of his control and placed in that of the Sur• the inefficiency
civilo ta whofaetrhyeianrwork
.
veyor of the Navy and the Board of Admiralty. Since that while those
had
time all that the Accountant-General had to do was to place been relieved from the superannuation tax, the shipwrights,
in the estimates the sum which they thought necessary to blacksmiths,
. and joiners, who received weekly wages were
the dockyard establishments. He had
hono power to gabled subjected to a superannuation tax of 20 per cent.
allthe Mr. W. WILLIAMStheir proposals to the revision to whichsubjected' thought the present First Lord of the
other amounts proposed to be inserted in the estimates, Admiralty and the two right hon. gentlemen who formerly
That system led to great inaccuracies and inconveniences-- held that office had occupied the time of the house very un-
for example, the committee would observe that in the esti. necessarily about a small amount of 30,000/., for he found
mates for one year there was a vote for 319 men in a Partici,. that some of these estimates were formed upon mere guesses,
lar department. and for 538 men in another ; but there was and under one head in a former year 516,000/. more than was
no entry in either case of the amount of money required for voted by the house according to the estimate had been ex-
their wages.
He could not understand why the particular pended, while under another head 300,0001. less than was
vote in which the error which he had first iskitioned had voted by the house had been disbursed.. Since the termina-
occurred should not be inserted like any of the other navy tion of the French war not less than 77,000,000/. had been
Ho had now but one course expended upon our navy. What had become of it t It had
votes in the estimates. Hen..
committee t
ht,
o grant 30,000/, more been spent, to a great extent, upon rubbish, and also in waste
to take, viz., to ask the
n
than he asked for on Mon ay tg ,in order that the defici. and jobbery. There was 1147 remedy for this state of 'things
oncy might be covered.. (Hear.) except the adoption of the American system, under which an
Sir C. WOOD admitted that, to
toa certain extent, he under. account was given each session of the manner in which the
stood the statement of the right hon. gentleman, but he cou'd money voted during the preceding year had been expended.
not quite see the error of which he complained. He did not Mr. WHITE said' that, notwithstanding the placid, he might
know on what authority the right hon. gentleman asserted almost say contemptuous, indifference with which the house
that the late Government made reductions in the navy esti- received the representations made by hen. members who repro-
elates so carelessly as to ask for less money than was necessary limited ports at which there were dockyards, he could not
to maintain the number of workmen agreed to by. the house refrain from saying a few words in support of the claim to con.
on their proposition. The statement of the right hon gentle. sideration which had been advanced on the part of the
mat was altogether unexpected, and he was therefore not pre. dockyard labourers. There was now no dockyard at
pares with documents to answer it. The inadequacy of the esti. the borough for which he sat, but he had visited that
mate tor the present year must depend upon whether 737,000/. of the neighbouring borough of Devonport, which had
which the late Government proposed to vote, was too little for the advantage of being represented by the late Secretary
an estaalishment of 12,190 men. To a certain extent it would of the Treasury. He would not say how gratified the elee-
have been impossible, even if the house had agreed to give tors of that borough were at having for their representative
the who'e of the additional men requested by Government to a gentleman so nearly connected with the Treasury, or what
obtain the entire number in the course of the first few months he had promised them ; but he was informed that, while one
of the year, and therefore a sum less than the whole amount class of artisans had had their wages advAn,,,d, another class
of the wages of the whole nuakber of the men for the' whole who did not generally line in that locality had had theirs
year eyelid net have been an inadequate estimate. He pre. diminished. Labourers who lived in Plymouth lad had their
sumed, therefore, that the right hon, baronet intended to im. wages reduced 2e. per week, while the pay of ropeinakers,
pngn not the estimate La* the past 12 months, but that for seilmakers, and some other classes bad been advanced 3s.
the ensuing yeas, The statement of the sum voted last year Sir J. PAKINGTON denied that any feeling of contemp.
was perfectly true. There might have been an excess of ex- tuous ind fference existed in that house towards the repro-
penditure for wags in the dockyards ; he did not know whe. sentatives of the working classes. Against'any such eon-
ther the fact was se or not ; but there could be no doubt that struction he strenuously protested. It was most essential for
the sum voted was 637,000/. The late Government were, the general prosperity of the country that the working classes
therefore, bound to put that sum in the estimates, and hence should be contented and happy ; and when any hon member
he only question could be whether the sum proposed to be brought forward facts to show that they were treated with
voted for the present year was adequate for the establishment injustice, it was the duty of that house to pay every atten.
which could by possibility be obtained within the year. Ho tion to his statement. He wa quite prepared to admit tt e
understood the right hoe, baronet to say that 737,000/. would possibility that the wages of labour might be unduly de.
not pay the wages of 12,190 men. pressed by com otition. With regard to the wages paid in
Sir J. PAKINGTON—I have not said anything of the the dockyards he could only say that he looked upon that
kind,
subject as one well worthy of attention—(hear)—and when
Sir C. WOOD could not see, then, where the allegedbe-
inac- he visited the dockyards, as ho proposed to do in the course
curacy lay. It could net be in the es imate of last • b of the summer, be should investigate the whole circum.
,
cause the late Government were bound to state the y
actual stances. (Hear, hear.)
sum voted, and then they proposed to add
100,000/. more Mr. WILSON said, that so far as he was concerned he
for the present year, in order to provide for as many add?-t endshould never feel it to be his duty to urge upon the Execu-
. men as the surveyor might think right, tlrtis raising the tive y increase of expenditure beyond that which in their
estimate for wages to the amount of 737
that in •,000/ The object of judgment •
increase was to get rid of the extra
aments for hired made last year in the wages of the workmen at Davenport,
1 deourers The right hon. baronet had chParyed him earth do- and referred to by the hon. member, he was not aware of those
parting from the recommendation of the committee aointee' ' cases, but his right hon. friend (Sir Charles Wood) would
on the motion of Lord Seymour, Now, the recommendation probably be able to explain them. The inference which
of that committee was thatif au increase were necessary, the hon. member apparently sought to draw from the facts
it should be done by an addition to the permanent este- be had mentioned ought to be pretty well rebutted by the
blis anent and not by the etnploymeut of extra men. Dining course which he (Mr. Wilson) had pursued last year in
the Russian war, finding hired labour was the most avail- opposing the repeal of the superannua.ion allowance abate-
able means of increasing the work done in the dock- meuts. That course was naturally in opposition to the
yards, the late Government had recourse to it ; but he feelings of a largo number of his constituents. By the bill of
repeated now what he state I then that a worse systemcould the noble lord (Naas) the wages of our ioost highly paid
not be adopted during peace. lie believed that 737,000/. public servants were increased immediately
was an adequate sum for paying the establishment for the of 70,000/ , and ultimately to 100,000/. a year. This was in
present year, and therefore, unless the, right hon. baronet the face of 'the fact that hundreds of men in Government
told him that those persons who were answerable for the employ were drag ing out a miserable existence upon 13s.
details had miscalculated the amount of wages necessary for a-week, oat of which he knew they had to pay ss. or Os. per
the payment of 12,
in the estimates,l9o men he
he could not admit that there week for their
lodgings in consequence of the high rents in
was any inaccuracythe towns where they were compelled to reside. (Hear.)
Sir J. PAKINGTON did not impugn the estimate for the This was the class of persons to whom he had referred last
present year. What he stated was that the estimate for last year
at-
year, as it appeared in the papers before the committee, was tas being most underpaid and as most demanding the
?ution of the (government, and who, while those he had men-
incorrect. The Government last year took 22,000/. off their tioned had received a lavish grant of 70,000/, a year, had net
estim ,te, but made no reduction in the e-tablishmout, and their pay increased by one farthing. (Hear, hear.) In plead.
the result was that instead of having 100,000/. for extra ing the cane of these men, the representatives of dockyard
labour in the patient year he had only in round numbers towns were pleading the cause of son-voters against-those
70,0001. • who possessed the suffrage, and they could not therefore be
Sir F. BARING paid that gentlemen in office possessed accused of interested motives.
peculiar advantages when commenting upon the conduct of Sir J. ELPHINSTONE said, t` e Government possessed the
their predecessors. The First _Lord of the Admiralty had larger part of the property in the town which he represented

(Portsmouth), and the dockyard labourers there were in a
wretched condition. It would be a disgrace to any country
gentleman if his labourers were in no bet ter state. He was
glad to hear that the First Lord of the Admiralty meant to
take these circumstances into consideration. He did not be-
lieve that many labourers could be got to work in private
dockyards for 13s, per week.
Mr. J. EWART suggested that many of these complaints
would be obviated if some of the work now done in the Go-
vernment dockyards were left to private enterprise, by which
it would be done a great deal better and cheaper.
Sir F. BARING said that a great deal of canvassing was
now going on relative to the wages of the dockyard labourers,
and expectations were excited on the part of these poor men
which were not likely to be tealised. He, therefore, en•
treated the Government, if they had not already made up
th, it minds on this subject, to do so as soon as possible, in
order that the agitation which now existed might be set at
rest. With regard to the question of superannuation, togs-
gether with the deductions to which the civil service was sub-
jected, the committee bad recommended that it should be
referred to two impartial actuaries. If the actuaries had
made their report, perhaps the Government would :ay whe-
ther they had any objection to lay it on the table.
General CO ;)RINGTOY said, there was a great difference
between the wages paid in the arsenal at Woolwich and those
paid in the dockyard. The dockyard received the inferior
labourers, and a constant change of hands took place, which
was detrimental to the proper execution of the work.
Mr. WEGUELIN observed, that in the payment of salaries
to the civil service the remuneration ought strictly to corres-
pond with the amount and quality of the work done. They
ought not to complicate the question by having to calculate
what deduction should be made on account of the superan-
nuation pension.
Sir C. WOOD said, that the late Government had regulated
the wages they paid according to the principle of supply and
demand. They had raised the rate of pay of that claws of arti-
ficers whose services they could not secure at the previous
scale of remuneration. With regard to the wages of the
labourers, the rate was the same in all the Government dock-
yards, and it would be difficult to make it otherwise ; whereas
the wages paid by private employers in the various neigh-
bourhoods often differed considerably. If varying rates were
adopted by the Government they would create a good deal of
beertburning. At Plymouth the wages of the established
labourers who were not permanently employed, and who
could come and go whenever they pleased, had not been in-
creased. The opinion that he had previously expressed as to
the estimate for wages, &c., was confirmed by the memoran-
dum which the First Lord of the Admiralty had handed him
for perusal.
The vete was then agreed to.
ARMY ESTIMATES,
General PEEL, in rising to move that a sum nett exceeding
2,454,09 U. be granted to her Majesty to defrty the expenses
for pay and a lowauces to her Majesty's land forces abroad,
said that if the committee would refer to page 2 of
the estimates, containing the abstract of those estimates,
it would find that they were divided into six parts.
He should, however, submit to the consideration of the
committee upon that occasion only that portion of the esti-
mates which related to the effective department of the army,
It was desirable to obtain the votes for that department pre-
vious to the introduction of the Budget, and he trusted,
therefore, that the committee would excuse him if he re-
frained from entering into any detailed observations upon the
subject of the various items contained in the estimates. If
the committee were to enter upon that occasion into a
general discussion of that nature he was afraid that not only
would no progress be made in taking the votes, but that no
satisfactory decision with respect to the several items of
which they were composed could be arrived at. (Hear, hear.)
It was customary in moving the estimates to institute a com-
parison between their present amount and that of the precede
ing year, in order that the house might be afforded an oppor-
tunity of forming au opinion in reference to the expediency
of any changes in the amount which might be proposed, Ho
had simply to eta o upon that point that while the difference
in the gross amount of the army estimates for this and the
preceding year was but slight, there was a considerable varia-
tion of some of the items for the two periods—a variation the
reasons of which ho should explain when he brought forward
these estimates more in detail, There was, however, but one
great comparison to be drawn in such cases—namely, that
between the proposed amount of expenditure and the abso-
lute wants of the service. (Hear.) The proper system to
adopt was to combine together, as far as possible, economy
and efficiency, and ho felt bound in justice to the noble lord
who had precede I him in office to say that he appeared to
have framed his estimates upon the combination of those two
important principles, (Hear, hear.) Indeed, to thoroughly
had that policy been carried out by the noble lord that when
he (Gen, Peel) had examined the estimates with a view of dis-
covering what reductions in them might be effected, he
had come to the conclnsion that he would be justified in
diminishing them only by a sum of 10,000/, by postpone
ing some votes which might be brought forward upon a
last
ro anly
future occasion, should the exigencies of the service require
it, but the postponement of which would be productive of no
public inconvenience. He should upon that occasion parti
ula-
one vote in the estimates, and that was a sum
0f.10,000/. in order to secure 100 CB-plunders to Malta. It
would be recollected that when the estimates bad been framed
a
great reduction had unfortunately been made in
the army ; but, while ho was no advocate for keeping up a
large army, circumstances over which he hid no control ren-
dered it imperative upon us to keep our army at a certain
numerical standard. Ho trusted the house would excuse
him from entering further into detail, and he begged to con.
elude by placing the vote which he had risen to move in the
chairman's hands. (Hear, hear.)
Colonel VIVIAN hoped that when the right hon. and gal-
lant-,eneral entered into the general statement to which he
had adverted, he would be prepared to give to the committee
some explanation in reference to the reduction which he had
made in the votes for the purchase of land for the erection of
new barracks at Windsor.

General PEEL said the Government had come to the con.
elusion that no possible inconvenience could result from the
postponement of the purchase to which the hon. and gallant
member alluded.
The vote was then agreed to, as was also a vote of
409,651/. for miscellaneous charges in connection with the
land forces at home and abroad.
A vote of 150,000/. to defray the expenses of the embodied
militia having been put,
Colonel BOLDERO complained of the inconvenience which
resulted from placing a large number of items under one ge-
neral head in the estimates. The vote for the militia this
year was general, and did not, as usual, give the various sums
charged for the different bralach.e.
Captain VIVIAN wished to know whether there was to be
any general statement of the reasons for the reductions which
had been made in the estimate framed by the late Govern-
ment.
General PEEL said he should explain the reasons for the
reduction upon each vote as it was taken.
The vote was then agreed to, as was also one for 58,0004
to complete the sum necessary defray the cost of the vo-
lunteerforces in Great Britain.

The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and the house re•
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coat-pocket, and are of larger, and all sizes, with increasing
powers accordingly. The Royal Exhibition, 1851. —A valu-
able, newly-invented, very small, powerful, Waistcoat-pocket
Glass, the size of a walnut, by which a person can be seen and
known one and a-half mile distant. They answer every pur-
pose on the Race-course and at the Opera-houses. Country
scenery and ships are clearly seen at 12 to 14 miles. They
are invaluable for shooting, deer-stalking, yachting, to
sportsmen, gentlemen, gamekeeper; and tourists. Opera,
Camp, Perspective, and Race-course Glasses, with wonderful
powers. - Invaluable preserving Spectacle Lenses of the
greatest transparent power. The great advantage derived
from this invention is, that vision impaired becomes pre-
served and strengthened and very aged persons are enabled
to employ their sight at the most minute occupation—can see
with those lenses of a much less magnifying power—and
they do not require the frequent changes to the dan.
geroue effects of furtber powerful assistance. Persons
can be suited at the most remote part of the world by send.
ing one of the glasses out of their spectacles in a letter, and
stating the distince from the cye they can read small print
with it, and those who have not made use of spectacles by
stating their age. Deafness.—New Discovery.—The Osganie
Vibrator, au extraordinarily powerful, small, newly-invented
instrument for deafness, entirely different from all others, •
surpassing anything of the kind that has been, or prob ably
can be, produced. Being of the same colour as the skin,
is
not perceptible. It enables deaf persons to hear distinct ly at
church and at public assemblies ; the unpleasant sensation of
singing noises in the ears is entirely removed, and it anords
all the assistance that possibly could be desired.-39.
Albe-
marle-street, Piccadilly—Opposite the York Hotel, W.

BIRTHS.
CARNWATII —On the 12th inst., at Heidelberg, the Coma-
tins of Carnwath, of a son and heir.
MILTON—On the 14th inst., at 6, Sutherland-place, West.
bourne-grove, Mrs. John Milton, of a daughter.
ST. JOHN MILDMAY=-O❑ the 14th inst., at Shawford
Lo.ige, Putney.heath, Mrs. Edmond H. St. John Mild-
may, of a son.

MARRIAGES, a
HILL—CURZON—On the 15th inst., at Kedleston, Derby
shire, Lord A. Edwin Hill, M.P., to the Hon. Mary
Catharine, youngest daughter of the late Hon. and Rev.
Alfred Curzon. and sister of Lord Scarsdale.
PEAcOCKE —GREVILLE—On the 15th inst., at St. Paul's,
Knightsbridge, G. M. W. Peacocks, Esq., to Augusta
Ma►y, youngest daughter of Algernon Greville, Esq.
DEA T 11 S,
GROVE—On the 14th inst. at his seat, Porno, Wiltshire,
John Grove, Esq., aged 73.
JraiON—On the 15th inat., at 27, Binfield-road, Stock-
well, Wm. T. M. Jebson, Esq., aged 56.
PAsLEY—Gn the 15th inst., at 71, Onslow-equare, Bromp• ton„Tohn Pasley, Esq., formerly a Captain in her Ma-
jesty's Army. aged 62.
ROWLAND—On the 11th inst., at Coulsdon, near Croydon,
Surrey, Henry Rowland, Esq , aged 65.
SKYNNER - On the 13th inst., the Rev. William Skynner,
Rector of Bradley, Derbyshire, and of Cuxwold, Lin-
colnshire, and Vicar of Rushden, county of Hertford,
aged B'.
ToVEv—On the 15th inst., at Cliftonville, Hove, Sussex,
Colonel George Tovey, aged 71.

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of Aliddlemex, Saturday, April 17, IM,