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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS.

SATURDAY, DICEMBEIi 10.

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nip a Lordships met for a short time. this day, 1
rransaCied sonic routine business, and forwarded
the Bills opon the Table. „
In the course Of the latter proceedings, the Exche.
titter Bills Bill, the Plice and 'Pension Duty, Irish
Sugar Drawback, Malt 'Tax, India Bonds Duty,
and the Annual Indemnity Bill, were severally read
d iicond time.
The Irish Habeas Corpus Suspension and. Martial
Law Bills lie over 'for a seconttreading on Mon.
day ; as does the Bank Restriction .Bill lot a third
reading,
Hcianouss, accompanied ley-.several Mem.
bens, presented the following Bills from the Corn.
mOns, the Irish Alts Distillation, the Curates' Re.
lief. Bill, the Irish Provision Import: Regulation,
the British Sugar Dimity l)rawback, the Small
Notes, and the,,fiortugalWinis Bonding Bill.
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lid SE OF COMMONS.
sArut94o.vi pgc.,;9.

"Mr.
Secretary Yoarr brought up an' Abstraft of
the Return of the Volunteer and Yeomanry Cored
4ncepted by His'Miljesty, distinvishing each Corps
eo- •
so. tat 'as the same at pres-enecan` 0 matte up.
Mr. Coßny.,pyesented a PetitiggrT thM C6f136-;
rate Body_ for-Promoting Protestant Schools, 4c. in
beland.--OrilfrOd to b!:..)aiti on the Table.
moved';`
He movor, Aeounts of the,-Board .of,• First
Fruits, &c. in Ireland, to be laid before the House.
- ...Ordered.
Be presented several other Petitions that are an.
"wally laid before the House, on behallof the Com•.
missioners of Charitable,Donatitrs, of the !Orphan
House,aec,--eOrderelloo be laid upon the Table.
He moved, That 'there he laid before the House
in Estimate of the Expence of Supporting the Cha.
lity Schools of Ireland, &c.—Ordered,
TheY were brought. 4 immediately, and ordered
to be laid orithe 'fable.
Mr. COstav moved, That they be referred to a
Committee of Supply on:Monday.
The Spersxt's observed, it was not-usual, to take
into consideration any Documents on the day next
following that'on which' they were laid before the
House ; there was, however, no irregellarity in:the
matter, because there was no order to the contrary.
The House might do as it pleased in it.
lie CHANCEALUR of the EICIIEQUtit recant.
mended the Motion, which was immediately after.
wards put and carried;
Mr. Secrehief•YOßKE rose in pursuance of a
• Notice which he gave last night, for the purpose of
moving for Leave ..to bring in a Mil to explain and
ton: l two Aas lespetc.ting the Volunteer Corps,
as it lweried;frotet ‘v;ltaf. was said yesterday in the
1 touse, that in.:eotoe, quarter: considerable doubt.
wearer corertaintl.ns: to 11%e precise meaning of the
otdr: rf thtse•Mis and as many persons were
ew,c,:rn( 3 in this matter, it. was proper it shou!d be
q'tite Coar what the Lew is; aid some. persons
might rot, perietps, li3d much opportunity of
toneiidering ..whrie,it was, they should 4o older. these
''Acts: elb,i,tis• Which •appeared err biro. to be
.tieeeesery
,at preeeet, wre eliose el regulatiog arid
xpisittiog the nu. ore of- the .Exemp_ sw; which
would be to Volniteer. It it -should be
"16116 d ti;leiss.'liy-r•Ci-:-Tii.i':arly'otVflKiiiiCtilaes' in this
FySiCat. so, as tu'give any further vigour to any part
of it, lie tholfght the 1., r cr wu,y woula be to rd3ce
up the I'l4h:it'd-after' the- Recess, after Gentlemen had
bad t,ivottunitits of conversivz with their difrerent
Cerps. He therefore wished that' the present Bill
-should he limited ter MO objeCti;.:-first, to citable
tlie,Commandantt,. of each Corps who, fium
ranee ttf the Law, have 11(4 rll44.k,proper fteturos. on
the days appointed for that purpose, to give in their
Re urns subsequent to the per4siogeif 'the An, and
-that the Certificates so returned by the Conunan.,
• Chola shall be effMttai; -and 'this provision should
extend as well to the 42(.1 as to the 4341 of the pre.,
tent King, upon the.subjeft, of the Voionteet Corps.
As to the doubts which :night be entertained, woe.
, cher Certificate,: for, Exemption could „be given to
those who hart been !reined without arms ; the
Commandants should make a special Return. At
the suttee time, it was necessary to take care there,
• should be no improper relaxation of duty in any of
these Corp. Heeiliould therefore propose, that al-
though these special and supplemeotery Returns
should be made in these cases under the Bill ice was
about to propose, lie should not think of giv jog
Exemption to any person ti he free from his attend-
ance from and after the menth of May next. The
same exercise and training should he required after.
wards as before these Celli/I:ores shall have been
granted, in order to exempt the Volunteers from the
Militia and the Army of Reserve, At present the
Exteninitin from the Army of Reserve: was acquired
.by a Volunteer, by five days attendance and train.
ing ; that period Was WO OW; ;: he proposed that
there should be twenty.eight days in the year; the
till might be discussed in the Committee as to the
number of days, Whets the Blanks came to be filled
up. Ile therefore moved, That leave be given to
bring in a Bill to explain and amend two Ads of
the +zd and 43d of leis preterit Majesty,
,for Regu.
luting Volunteer Corps, Zee.
The Motion being put,
Mr. CUR N said, he should assent to a Mea-
sure'that had the tendency to render the services of
the Volunteer Corps more effethial,that they are
at present, and from the zeal which they had oeie
formly shewn, he had no doubt that every. Curvy
,withed,it, and that they would be glad of an op,
portunity of improving theta under these rege.
Jationsl this he teas warranted in saying from the
'experience he had of. several Volunteer Corps, for
they wished to take every advantage tor improve.
ment which they could.- They who had been used
to their leader, would go with him with pleasure,.
but they might not like a stranger to he brought on
a sudden to command them ; this was applicable to
the ideaof giving them a ne:v Field Officer from' the
Line. But there we re oilier riots which he
thought inure important to the improvement of

military Multi/int, if they were tetliaVe experiena4
Serjeant Majors, and also' that they;hould •
lowed Adjutants: In general ii was well known:
to military men that a good Adjutant was most
valuable to a Corps, next to him was the value of a
good Serjeanr Major to instrud men in some of the
most useful .parts of military discipline: -These
should be properly paid ;• perhaps k would be .well
also its. have a good Corporal in pay, and perhaps
TOO "'that fineS should lie imposed by law for (Hot.
;derby behaviOur in 1114 ranks, ''pairieularly for in-
toxication.' These points well'attended to, %vivid.
greatly: contribute to, the improvement of Volun-
tcera in their military exercise. We had now a
great body of them, and they were in a very re.
speltable. state of discipline, but he thought that
this would do a great deal of good, and that
,the
'Volunteers would be happy to- 'see it carried into.
effeet-=it'would do a great deal of good—it would
introduce a proper military spirit into the'ranks of
:Volunteer'--it would improve the taite and inch.
.nation of the whole. Country to much of the man.
net and.habits of a military life, which it was essen.
tial, for us to cultivate in the present state of this
world. We must, to a given extent, now- be a
military nation, in order to preserve what we' have,
because all other Nations chuse to be so. We must
not' hope tcicontinue in possession of what we have
: without being what "other Nations are, a military
People, othetwise whenever we were attacked or
insulted, we should not know how to defend our.
1 serves-and-vindicate our honour. There was another

point to which he wished to call the attention of
the. House—it was a subjcet which did not apply to
the case of Volunteers in the metropolis, but was
severely felt by those in the Country; when they
came.frpm a distance into a village, or into an open
place for exercise, they were under the necessity of
going into a public.house, which Must be attended
I with an expence, which in addition to their loss of
time, was a serious thing to many of them ; he
thought that SQUIC allowanOe should be made to them
on that account. All this would not amount to more
' than ss. per man alear tmre than it did at present.
He thought also that we should not be content with
but a few days attendance for improvement in military
exercise. The meetings ought to be once a week at
least, to become, perfect in military discipline, Thus
attending to our true interest, as lie had no doubt we
should do, he was indeed assutedrbf it, we should
have in the Volunteers of this. ctptantry a military,
a truly military force, capable of undertaking and
perftirining every thing that was necessary for the
dele,nce of the Co entry
,rdtorther, so that the Re.
gular 'Arity might be spared for any Expedition.
These were very 6crious considerations, by no means
to be.'negleded, for in the contest in which we are
pow engaged, we must be either viCtoriouB, or be
1. destroyed.
JUL EY ADDINGTON race to express the
great satisfaCtion he felt at hearing his Right Hon.

,friend. give the notice he did in the course of his
Spee,ch, on the subjektrfthe Provisions of the
which,. in the fiat iostan,ce, was properly proposed
to be for a time to bedimited. He reed in obi.
ninn also with the Hon, Gentleman who spoke last,
in utmost every partieulau fir had stated. As to
the proposition thrown out by the Right Hun.
Gentleman (Mr. Pm) last night, with regard to
the appointmeet of a l?teld Officer, there were. many
oljeetions to it; nut to qay any thing of the (taco'.
ty all all ;hese effe:cs, there were many others.
By His iViire.ty's ',emission an Adjutant was al.
lowed to every Regiment, to whom it was a neces.
sary qualification that he should have held a
Commission at least five years in 'His Majesty's
Army. Whether it was or not desirable to exad,
he had 'almost said, the rigoorous condition that a
Corps o; Volunteers should attend eightrfive days
in the year, he had very considerable doubts. The
Corps he had t4e honour to cemmand, were com.
posed of persons to whom such an attendance would
he very harthensome, and towhuin it would be dif.
ficult to comply' if commatqed to attend. One
wind on what was said by the Hon. Gentleman who
had just spoken, with respekt_to the allowing of
Serjeant Majors—a Serjeant Major was allowed, he
understood, to every Corps not exceeding a given
number of men, but where there was a Corps with
an Adjuiant, a Serjearit Major was refused, unless
when die Corps was upwards of a moo. He thought
there were not a great many Corps in the kingdom
to whom this applied, because there were not many
Corps above zOOO men.
Mr. Secretary YORKE observed, that His, Ma.
jesty had power to make sertain rules and regula.
tiees fur the Government of the Volunteer, Corps,
and if they were not observed, the consequence
wss, that the compulsory clause in the Ad for
calling out the Mass might be enforced, for the
compulsory pruvisions of that At were only sus.
Fended while the Volunteer Corps were leep,t up.
With respeft to the time required for the Volun.
teers to meet, that would, be mncter fin considers.
tion of the House when the Bill came to the CoM.
witted. He should not have proposed' that the Vu.
-liniment should exercise a greater number of days
than were required by law, but the House would
determine whether that or a greater number oldays
should be adopted. As to the question of economy,
the truth was, that great difficulty was brought un
Government in conserpienee of great expence in'
many of these subjeds, and therefore it wax better
Co keep every measure in the first instance, at least
as low as possible. He had great doubt' whether
it would be possible to adopt that which was thrown
out by a Right, Hon, Gentleman (Mr. PITT) last
night, as tt general system, for it would be difficult
to procure the 'number of Officers. The Corps of
Volueteers had been already as much instroned as
peritaps was possible within the time, in the next
place, they have not now the same to do as they
have already gone. through With regard to the
appointment .4of Atijutantsi—it was' a snbjed on
which mechittight be said,lnit it certainly required
a great deal of consideration.: Supposing there were
to be appointed only 1500 Adjutants at tool, each,
that would be 150,0001. a year. Now he-did not see
why they should have this permanent pay unless
they were on constant duty. Therefore, if the
exercise was only for a Certain number of days io
the years, the' Adjutaot should not hays permaeent
pay, be,udes this, he was afraid that the appoint.
meta to such offices in the country %V:" not al . A a 3, 9
condueled on the purest 'liar:4lo 4 but he thouithi

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if the appointments were as they should, ha, the ad.- •
vantage:Of having men well qualified for such pffices
would be such that the expellee would be well re.
paid ; time, however, ought to. be taken to con.
sider and digest these matters.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
.said, he concurred in•every thing that had beOn said
by his Right_ Hon. Friend, and in very much of
what had lifen said by. the,Hon, Gentleman oppo.
site to him, i;The great. leading objed with him
was, that their should be in all the Volunteer Corps
a willing mind and: cordial disposition among them.
selves, and with them and their Officers—He was
aware of the value of good discipline and expert.
ness of exercise ; but it was to the temper and dia_
position of the Corps towards their Officers, so that
they might go on harmoniously together, that Par.
!lament ought to direft its chief attention.' It was
to be recommended to them all to be Brigaded, and
'to perform their Exercises whenever they could do
so in Battalion as often as possible. On this point
he thought there should be a general concurrence,
for this contributed greatly to the perfcdion of dis.
cipline and' efficiency of adion. He ivas.perfedly
persuaded 'there was much wisdom in the suggestion
thrown out last night by a Right Hon. Gentleman,
(Mr. PITT) for the improveMent of discipline ;
but time should be taken to consider matters of this
nature, and Officers should be consulted ; but care
should be taken that no impression Lhould be made
t to create any uneasiness in any part of this great
body of force, and he must again take the oppur.
tunity to say . it was most, important to take care
not to wound the feelings of these Corps, or to
diminish the attachment of the different members
towards their Officers, or the influence of the Officers
over the Men. Every thing should be done that
might not interfere with this objet, and nothing
should be indulged to .the members of the Corps
that was not consistent with the authority of the
Officers, and theresped which was due to them. He
was persuaded that much advantage might be de.
' rived by the int rodudion of Adjutants and Serjeant
Majors, for much improvement in discipline would
be the result of it. At the same time the whole
system, required time, for it embraced a variety of
considerations, so that he hoped` the adoption of it
should not be pressed at present, and he said this the
more readily, -lest there should be now ingrafted
on theßill, any thing 'that might requirealteration.
fleconfessed he was, aware it must be the general
wish that every thing should be done which might
improve the discipline of all the Volunteers, but
then it must be done on the principle he had men.
tioned, of preserving the harmony which at eresent
• subsists between the Officers and meo, on which the
whole system depends.
The question was then put, and leave was given
to bring in the Bib, which was brought in imme.
diately, and' read a first time. On the question
for the second ItAing a few words passed between
Sir W. MILNER, the ATTORNEY GENERAL and
Mr. GILES, on the subject of the exemptions pro.
vided by the last Ad of Parliament, after which
the Bill was ordered to be read R second time on
Monday next.—Adjourned..