The Sun.
London, England, 1858-07-17 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

The report of supply was brought up.
On the vote for 1,0001. to defray the salary of the Chief
Clerk of the Registry or Sasines in Scotland,
Mr. CRAWFORD moved the omission of the vote. He
thought that one officer would suffice for the duties of the
department, and thought that the public interests would
not suffer by the rejection of the vote.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said that when they came into
office they found the gentleman against whom the motion
of the hon. gentleman was directed in office. He was ac-
knowledged to be most efficient, and the office was consi-
dered to be one that ought to be filled ; he thought, there-
fore, the hon. gentleman was scarcely justified in propos-
ing so sweeping a resolution.
Mr. WILSON said it was the intention of the late Go-
vernment to have added new duties to those already de-
volving on these departments ; and if that intention were
carried out, ho had no doubt that the two officers at the
head of them would amply deserve the salaries allotted to
them.

After a few words from Sir W. Dunbar, Mr. Cain], and
Mr. Bovill.

Mr. CRAWFORD withdrew his amendment, and the
resolution was withdrawn.

THE REPORT OF PUBLIC MONEYS COMMITTEE.

On the motion for going into committee of ways and
means,

Sir P. BARING directed attention to the above report,
and complained that the late Government had not acted.
During the discussion of the India Bill it struck him the
question of deposit had become one of considerable impor-
tance with reference to the Indian revenues. All the
transactions of the Pay-office were not generaly known to
the public, an 1 the last vote the house had agreed to was a
remarkable instance—a portion of the money for the Duke
of Wellington's funeral having remained in the Pay-office
up to the last few mouths, and the recommendation of the
committee in reference to the Pay-office ought to be car-
ried out. With regard to the Audit-office, he admitted that
it was a very efficient board, but there were portions of the
civil service estimates amounting to two millions that they
did not audit, but were audited in their own department ;
and he hoped the recommendation of the committee in this
respect would not be passcei over. The audit under the Ap-
propriation Act was not under the same audit as other de-
partments, and the public did not know if the money voted
for certain things were spent on them. The committee re-
commended an efficient check to ascertain if the money
was properly expended. The question was, where the check
was to take place. That for the Admiralty took place at
the Admiralty ; but there was some difficulty where the
civil service check should take place. The right hon. baro-
net having referred to the recommendation for the appoint-
ment of a select committee each soesion to chock the ex-
penditure, expressed an opinion that if the committee was
appointed great benefit would result therefrom.
Mr. B )WYER said the public moneys committee did
not produce the results that were expected from it.
Unless the Exchequer a control over the expen-
diture of the Treasury the public supervision of the ac-
counts was defective. He hopcd the Government would
carry out the recommendation of the committed.
Sir G. C. LE WIN said that with regard to the Paymas-
ter's-office the practice now existing in that office and at
the time of the war was the same that had prevailed from
the passing of the act. With regard to the gross land re-
venues, it was a question that involved large interests,and
would affect future Sovareignr, so it was not that simple
question many imagined. There was nn concealment in
the matter, because a copious and detailed report of the
gross income and expenditure of the land revenues was laid
every year on the table of the house.

Mr. A. SMITH said there was concealment, because
the accounts of the land revetmes were not laid at the pro-
per time before the house. The house had voted the ex-
pense of this year before receiving the expenditure of last
year. Ho maintained that the country had over and over
again purchased these land revenues by the large sums
they had in several reigns contributed to meet the defi-
ciencies which the crown lands would not supply. He con-
tended these revenues ought to be paid into the excises
Tv r and treated like other branches of the revenue.
-.efr. W. WILLIAMS said that if estimates were sub-
mitted to the house like the other departments, a great
saving would be effected. The house ought to exercise a
control over them, for her Majesty had no right to them.
He hoped the house would take the matter hito their con-
sideration, and produce estimates in reference to them.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
house laboured under a great misconception if it indulged
in the belief that her Majesty's present Governmen treated
the investigation of the committee with neglect. It would,
however, be unable to carry out the regulation of the Trea-
sury minute founded on the recommendation of the com-
mittee without legislation by both Houses of Par-
liament. Her Majesty's Government had not yet had
an opportunity of carrying the recommendations into
effect, from the press of 'other public business, In-
dependent audit her Majesty's Government considered of
great importance, and they had a measure in contempla-
tion on the subject. It was a question that required grave
consideration, and could not be lightly or hastily passed
over. At the right time her Majesty's Government would
be prepared to submit a measure to the house in reference
to carrying out the recommendations of the committee. He
differed from the open expression in reference to the Crown
lands, but he expressed an opinion that the agreement that
was entered into with the Crown was not disadvantageous
to the public, and it was not desirable that they should
carp and cavil at a con tract that had been entered into, and,
as he believed, satisfactory to the country.
The motion was then agreed to.
WAYS AND ME ANS.

The sums of 11,265,000/. and 4,700,000/., for the public
service, were agreed to in Committee of Ways and Means.
The house resumed.
CLERK OF PETTY SESSIONS, &c. (IRELAND)

BILL.

This bill passed through committee.
CHELSEA-BRIDGE ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Mr. BENTINCK rose to object to the bill. The bill was
opposed to principle, and perpetrated a breach of public
faith.

Mr. CONINGHAM regretted the bill did not go fur-
ther, and throw the bridge open altogether.
The house then went into committee.
On clause 3,
_ _

Sir J. SHELLEY proposed in line 14, after " the" leave
out down to " aforesaid" inclusive, and insert " passing of
this act." The effect of tho amen Iment was to declare, that
after the passing of this act tolls would no longer be levi-
able on foot passengers crossing Chelsea-bridge. There was
not the slightest doubt that the remission of the tolls would
enormously enhance the value of the Government land in the
vicinity. 340,090/. had been expended in the formation of a
park at Battearsea, but no sooner was the park formed than
a toll was placed on the bridge conducting to it, which
amounted to a practical exclusion of the working classes
from the park,

After a few words from Mr. O'BRIEN in opposition to
the motion,
Mr. B. STANHOPE objected to the motion, and said
that if the proposal of the hon. baronet were acceded to,
the necessary consequence would be that the House of
Commons would never again be got to authorise an ad-
vance of public money for local purposes.
Lord J. MANNERS said that if ho could have come to
the conclusion that the abolition of the tolls on Chelsea
Bridge violated no breach of public faith, no one would be
more ready than he was to consent to their abolition.
However, Parliament in its wisdom having laid down cer-
tain conditions when the money for the formation of the
bridge was advanced, ho must reluctantly vote against the
motion of his hon. friend. Argument on the question there
could be none, as he believed it was beyond dispute that
the imposition of the toll on the bridge precluded the
poorest class of the community from taking advantage of
Battersea-park.
Mr. CONINGHA.M and Mr. "WILLIAMS supported
the amendment, _ _ . . _

--111r.TCoaE contended that the principle laid. down
by the First Commissioner of Works was the most,uepxoitlrait-
ordinary he had over heard. They might depend
that no one would offer a shilling advance for land near
Battersea-park unless that toll were removed oft the bi,) tidghe.6
The question at issue, therefore, was as interesting. t
public at large as to the community in the •aeighbouthood
of Battersea-park.
The committee divided—
For the amendment.... ............. 4l
Against it .................... .
.
Maj.irite
........
Mr. B. STANHOPE, ....
amendment, the effect of which,
Wonld be to require the
in Pago -1; line .9, proposed an
repayment of the interest ,lue on the loan advanced by
Government for the form,ation of the bridge and the al,-
preaches thereto.
L, ord,j. MANNER :4 opposed the amendment.
uOLLINS an,!.. Mr BE
. NTINCK supported it.
The cornmitte,, divided—
For the amendment
Againatit
--- 71
Major
Major SIBIIIORP thenity proposed an amendment, the
of of which was that no tolls shall be levied on foot
passengers crossing the bridge on Sundays.
Lord J. MANNERS would consent to the adoption of
that amendment. (Cheers.) But he must remind the
hetue that the consequence of its adoption would be to

postpone for a very long time the throwing open of th
bridge.
The bill then passed through committee.
INCLOSURE OF LANDS BILL.
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This bill passed through committee. -
As the house was in no humour to listen to the subject
ho moved the adjournment of the debate, and the house
divided—

For the adjournment l7
Against it
Majority --92
Mr. BRISCOE then moved that the committee be act.
ourned to. Monday—
For the motion..
Against it .

20
92
-72

Majority
The bill was then postponed.
The Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction Continuance Bill, the
Turnpike Trusts Arrangement Bill, the Copyhold and In-
closure Commission Bill, the indemnity Bill, and the Army
Service Bill were read a third time and passed.
PURIFICATION OF THE THAMES.
The house resolved itself into committee, and a resolu-
tion authorising the guarantee for the money to be raised
for purifying the Thames was passed.
The Friendly Societies' Act Amendment Bill and the
Reformatory Schools (Ireland) Bill were read a third
time and passed.
The house adjourned at two o'clock.

Country Markets,

LIVERPOOL, JULY 16.

Though we bad a poor attendance of town and country
millers at our corn exchange this morning, the business
was of moderate extent generally. The common kinds
of American " oaty " wheat were put down in price ld to
2d ,er bushel. The higher qualities were considered not
to be reduce in value. Indian corn very firm for feeding
descriptions. Oats and oatmeal both strong. Beans and
peas having improved so much the last fortnight, scarcely
supported former rates.