The Sun.
London, England, 1804-03-08 00:00:00

•nnthing 'hotre'Vet .was done tinattee,n4. On tte
23d the Insurrection takes place, and then, but not
tfntil then:, 00VeriliTtemt thinks t;F:. measures ofepre-
caution. Now he t-niist, say, that if Ministers did
not believe there was danger after the 16th—if they-
could not see it, thereantust- he an extreme blind-
nesi ; if seeing it they did not provide against it,
thete was an extreme 'and a culpable rein.asness.
His Noble Friend fotind this a pinching- part of the
case, and therefore he: took the usuaLcourseolvery
ingenious men upon such occasions—instead of meet.
ing the thing itself, he 'ettleavotired. to cull ihe, at-
tention of the Housteoff from it, • :and to another,
namely, the supposed ini'srepresentation of his op-•
ponent, or he had nutither of Pikes,
&c. were not :eight thousand,: as.• had been': eero::
niously stated, and so ronsiderahly-txaggerated on
the other
,side, but that halt were only between
3 and 4000 i now, hi's+irtble Ftiend ought to be cot.
red upon this Stibjed, becaose•he tract al-le-best means
of obtaining information; and When he:made his state-
ment,
and endeavoured to divert the House from at-
tention to that which was the truth, or from pur-
suing that whiCh "was the' truth, he -ought to take
care he was acturat e in his .fats ; and here he-.did
not accuse hi Noble Friend of an attempt wilfully
to mislead thel-louse,; but .he Must say, lee had some_
how failed to attain correatinformation ; upon this
very subjea in which he was corrating the Hon.
Baronet• in his statement, he was glaringly incor-
reel in his-own.since bt,i There was a Pamphlet some time
-pushed, which was very .much read, and
in: which them faCt upon this subjed of the Pikes,
which, his Noble'Friend said, were only between
three and four thousand, was stated -s reCtly the contrary, and so' entirely refuted the
statdiement
of the Noble Lord, that he 'should read a pg
out of it. That. Pamphlet;-.stated, ".that -rheassa e
hels had on this'oeeasion :36,40Q Bali.eattridges,
Sealing Lades, Pikes, RebeleiUnifounk, &c'. and
Colours, good Copies of a eroclantation of the Pro-
viiional Government, &c. and that with regard to
'Pikes, the Mob having been supplied fretn. the
Dq6t with Putts, &c. there then remained the
trifling nutnner of bet Ween 6 and 7003 Pikes, Sac."
lint should he he alleweti *to bring forward this as-
sertion ag,iinst that of His Majesty's Confidential
Servants ?—He certainly should, and that the House
fe might see on what 'authortty this Pamphlet rested,
would state the this
of it was : It was
tot a • speculative opinion, or vague of inion of an
'lndividual who had no source of information on the
aubjed of which he treated, it was a grave docu-
Itient of perfatt authority : it was incited the speech
of Flis Majesty's :ATTOaltev GENER..AL be-
ital,r, Upon the accuracy Of winch he .ainclnd-
`edstNr thmeivt:, could not affeet toie :en-
:teitain a doubt.- •He' knew indeed if had of late
•hecoine• the fashion' in this Country to run. down
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-the *ipinion 'of the Attorney-General's La ; but
vei.)uld ask Ministers,. if
theY:were ready in like
to run-dowA the•Attorney-General's
1-11a.-Nbble•Friend hictitated, there were only 3 of
tek?teplkes hriongineene"
eet)
-Mtcifne •
ebelsdiovered. The
e. • ~ eneral,
'fi` his Speech addressed to the
hry,' the °hied of which was persuade them to
-shed 13,100:1, 'said, that 'thefnistiitt.be rofa Pikes, after
41fose had; been-. discoverad, itt: arms had been
lte4',
.was belween
Friend and 7000 : ntiw hit Noble,
Friend
should take -h '
is Choice,. Did his. -Noble
make a wrong-apology for'theirislitavern-
!tientinitiating the number-of these Pikes too.lote ;
tor travillitePriSoner, against whont thia'Speeeli was
opeiled; aiadewho was coilviaed • upon chef of
ItaiangetFilponla'e
ttilhaotte.? Perhaps itimight be.
-sail that thSpeech- of the• Attorney-General was
411 exaggerated statement, of the- fatts4, bait-he
tshOuld - think that a 'man 'in: so grave an of-.
on On so grave a"*kubieft et a 'man he did not
indeed knowpersonallyebutof whom he haheard d als
much to'his advantage as a prOfessionalway man
-and a man of honour,- lootild sloth' ve exggerated
•'-at all, for it was certainly a case in which he shotild
Say nothing but what was stiidly:corred, because it
:da matter in Whiehlis 'fellow creature wae to b
eprived of his existence;
noiv if that Learned Gen-
' tletnan did speak the truth on : that most solemn occa.:
sr'n(his- Noble Ftiend had -been, deceived in the
of-the arms', of the'Rebels, 'anfi consequently
the- attiount also of the danger to which Ireland
was a4ually.eXposed on the 23dof July. a Bat there
,
tier: two ways of" Stating things in 'an argument,
with both of which his
Noble Friend was well ac
(painted, and of whichlte:was.always well aware :
the one was to state and to prove' by -fads ; the
.waa to statee-a general result of assumed
• •66ts, and. to": proak nothing. His Noblel..riend
bad taken the latter coutse, as
• the case on whichhe was. discoursing, d
claimed merit to the G6vernment for thinaa
gs i he also
whic
- they hail•no'cancern in producing. He'told the
House
that the Bank had a strong wall, which was hardly
-ra:a prooltif the precaution and 'the vigilance of Govern-
- - men: preparatory to the .23d of July lasee and as to
the Castle, although he admitted it w
e'diigraceful it should have been ould have beeneen occupied by Rebels,
• that if the hadenter'ed it iii triumph, they would yet
have found nOtheng in the Castle. He Loped Minis-
ters did not mean to invert this, and say, that if they
had entered the Bank they Would have found nothing.
Bucaurely there was -something in impression, upon
such an occasion as that of which lie -was now speak-
iiite" There was much to be considered in govern,
'ing a people of high and quick feelings, and strong
.2119chments ; anti therefore if the Bark or the
--Caatle had fallen into 'the hand's of the Rebels, if
ev-ithei. the Castle or the Bark had been surprized,
and taken, even if there had been nothing of value
in either, it wOuldhaVe had-a
very bad effect on the
' feelings of the people of Ireland ; but his Noble
Friend did not draw any inference whatever upon
• this oceasion. He did not follow his Noble Friend
• ,
'i •
n the paper and minutes to. which lie referred, but
he could say was, that 'the statement did not
• . -strike 'him :that there wa3- much in it. He might
be wrong ; his Noble Friend might be right ; but
nobody knew which of them-was right ; therefore,
what ? therefore let the House inquire, for that
"would he infinitely better than to depend upon as-
asertions, unsUppotted by proof, in the Speech:of any
'Minister, howevie `4-espettable 'he might he as an
individual. He had shewn that his Noble ,Friend
suffered=ieirtra-rifeto be misled by, elefeiti ini-
lormation in .otie-.'striki.•g instance, and-his other
;t4etLions piocccd frcuu
,ths,•sanal,e ‘loe44.ve