The Sun.
London, England, 1858-05-11 00:00:00

THE SITN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 11, 1858.

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minded peopte, the natives Of New Zealand, had evidently
been deceived, and he called on the
cretary for the Colonies to examine intooble lord the Se
the facts of the
case, and he trusted that he would no longer allow the
British name to remain under the great stigma which in
New Zealand now attached to it.
Lord STANLEY said the hon. baronet had rased two
distinct questions. The first was with regard to the
evidence given by Mr. Sewell before the New Zealand
Loan Committee of last year. The hon. baronet could
not be more surprised than he was when first he pointed
out to his notice the apparent discrepancy between Mr.
Sewell's evidence and the facts as they appeared on the
official records of the local leghslature of New Zealand.
The house would remember that they were asked last
year to give the imperial guarantee to a loan of half-a-
million for purposes connected with the colony of New
Zealand. (Hear, hear.) It seemed that 200,0001. was
to be guaranteed for one purpose, and 300,0001. for
another. The question was raised before the committee
whether in the event of Parliament being unwilling to
sanction a guarantee for the whole amount, a guarantee
of 200,0001., if offered, would be accepted by the legis-
lature of the colony. The question was put to Mr.
Sewell, and he replied that the question was raised in
the legislature and distinctly negatived. Now it ap-
peared by the records of the New Zealand legislature
that a resolution was passed directly contrary to the
evidence he bad just quoted. The resolution was in the
following words :—" That in the event of the financial
scheme of the Government failing for raising the neces-
sary loan of 500,0001., the loan of 200,0001. offered by
the Home Government for the liquidation of the New
Zealand Company's debt shall be received on the terms
proposed, anti the mode of payment shall
bl
stand over as
part of the general adjestment of the puic require-
ments." Now here he paused to observe that that was
the first part of the resolution ; but Veen there came an
addition to it : "It being an essential part of such ad-
justment that the land, on being exonerated from its
special liabilities, as well as from the New Zealand
debt, in accordance with the resolution, shall be relieved
prospectively as well as retrospectively from any other
liability." Now there was no doubt that, on the face of
it, that resolution purported to be an acceptance by
the legislature of the colony, or at least by one branch
of it, of that very proposition which Mr. Sewell stated
that the legislature had refused to accede to, and on
hearing the statement of the honourable baronet he
lost no time in applying to Mr. Sewell for an expla-
nation. The explanation was that the resolution di-
vided itself into two parts. The first part accepted the
proposition of a guarantee limited to 200,0001., which
was moved, as he understood, by a member in opposi-
tion. For some reason the members of the local govern-
ment did not think fit to meet the resolution by a direct
negative, but they met it. by an amandrnant or addition,
which neutralised the first part of the resolution, and
rendered it totally unmeaning, and in that light, ap-
parently, the amendment was received by the local legis-
lature. He did not find that it same before the Upper
House, and it appeared to have been treated as—what
in fact it was—a dead letter. The resolution was coupled
with an impossible condition, and consequently amounted
to a virtual refusal. Mr. Sewell's statement that the
offer had been distinctly negatived undoubtedly went
further than the facts of the case warranted ; but when
a witness was questioned and cross-questioned, and every
word was taken down as it came from his mouth, he
might, without intending it, fall into some inaccuracy of
statement—but Mr. Sewell contended that what he
stated was substantially the truth, and that no deception
was practised upon the committee, and if the guarantee
had been limited to the smaller sum of 200,0001. it would
not have been accepted by the local legislature. So
much for the case of Mr. Sewell, and now with regard
to the case of Mr. Mantell and the purchase which he
had made of lands from the natives. Mr. Mantell was
appointed a commissioner for the purchase from the na-
tives of lands in the settlements of Canterbury and Otago.
He believed that the amount Mr. Mantell purchased was
30 millions of acres, and that the price was 5,0001. Now,
he was not defending all that had taken place at New
Zealand and elsewhere with regard to the purchase of
land. He was willing to admit that unjustifiable transac-
tions had taken place with regard to the purchae• of
land from aborigines. They had generally taken place
not in consequence of, but notwithstanding, the policy
and wishes of Government. But when they were speak-
ing.of the price given to the natives for land as being in-
adequate, they must bear in mind that the value these
lands possessed was entirely owing to the exertion of the
settlers. It was the roads, the harboure, the vicinity
to markets, and the operations of commerce, that gave
value to land ; and although the price given migbt be
small apparently in relation to the price of land in this
country, still -it by no means followed that that price
might not be at the time, and under the circumstances,
a sufficient representation of the then value. But with
regard to the promise of schools and hospitals, although
tbere was no doubt that Mr. Mantell held out, as be
believed he was authorised to hold out, promises to the
natives, yet he believed that nothing in the nature of a
contract could be said to have been entered into, and for
this plain reason, that nowhere could he find the slightest
approximation to a statement of what was the amount to
be expended for these objects. It was quite clear that a
general promise to provide hospital accommodation and
schools, so fund being set aside for that purpose, al-
though it might be an obligation in point of morality,
could hardly be said to have assumed the definite form
of a contract. But he must remind the hon. baronet
that the power had been taken out of the hands of
the imperial legislature. The moment the control of
the waste lands passed into the hands of the colonial
legislature, the colonial legislature took upon itself all
those obligations. There was at the present time a sum
at the disposal of the New Zealand government for that
purpose, but looking at the state of feeling among the
white inhabitants, he should only be deceiving the hon.
baronet if he were to hold out any hope that that sum
would be increased.

Mr. LABOUCHERE, as chairman of the committee,
i bed to say that the committee was in no way misled
by the evidence of Mr. Sewell. No doubt the resolution
pas,ed in the form it did to carry out some party tactics
in the colonial legislature. At the same time he regretted
that Mr. Sewell, who bore a high character both in pub-
lic and private life, did not give tathe committee the ex-
planation which he had since given. With regard to
the general question, he assured the house he was
not at all favourable to the principle of guaranteeing
colonial loans, except under very special circumstances
inched. When he was at the Colonial-office many such
applioltione were made, but he thought they
ought never to be acceded to except under very peculiar
circumstances.

Mr. ADDERLEY said a member of that house ought
t‘i be exceedingly cautious how he made attacks on indi-
viduals. He averred that the house was not deceived by
the evidence of Mr. Sewell. He was well acquainted with
the subject, having been the recognised correspondent of
the colony in this country, and having been put in pos-
session of the whole state of the case. There were two
portions of the colony interested, and neither would con-
sent to the liberation of the lands of the other unless its
own were liberated also, so that thelgrant of the smaller
sum would have been absolutely useless without the
guarantee of the larger sum.
Mr, FORTESCUE quite agreed with Mr. Adderley
ae to the smaller sum being of no use to the colony.
With regard to the purchase of the native rights it should
be remembered that the purchase was of the primal right
to tracts in which there was no individual property and
which were in a wild state.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY conceived the explanation
which had been made was satisfactory. He was one of
those who voted against the loan altogether, and he
trusted that the house would take warning by what had
happened in this case.

Mr. W. WILLIAMS was also opposed to these guy•
rautees.

Sir J. TRELAWNY withdrew his motion.
INDIA.
Sir W. CODRINGTON said that the army being now
very large—it was composed of at least 200 000 English
troops—the number of recruits required 'yearly must ne-
cessarily be great. He should sayat at least 30,000
men would be required to meet the annual ea•ualtiev,
which were now unusually heavy,
heaccount of the
number of men we had in India. IZrioworlmust say that
the present system of recruiting was anythngeer but
factory. Men were cajoled into entering the and
measures were adopted with that view which could not
be regarded as other than dishonourable and discredni
able. The standard, which used to be 5 feet 6 inches, or
5 feet 8 inches, had been reduced to 5 feet 3 inches, in
order to complete the levies required for India ; but it
bad since been raised again to 5 feet 4 inches This re-
duction has bal a prejudicial effect upon the discipline of '
the service ; for instead of men from the agricultural
districts, it had filled the regiments with recruits from
the lowest classes of the great towns. He thought it
would be well to revert to the old practice of raising
particular regiments in particular counties and towns,
and identify them with those local:ties. (The gallant
general read a long extract from Sir Charles Napier,
who was a warm advocate of this plan of localising dif
fereot corps.) Again, he deeply regretted that motives
of economy should have prevented the keeping up of
the military train. If there was one branch of the
vice less efficient than another at the breaking out of a
war it was sure to be this ; but there was none upon
which the safety and comfort of the army more de-
p_nd,:d. (Hear, hear.) He thought it would be better
to collect what remained and attach it to the camp at
Aldershott, where it would supply a much needed want
in the means of instructing the army. Again, he thought
the substitution of military auditors in the room of
the commissariat was unfortunate. The commissariat
tofficers were military men, and under the command of
he general ; and Clair mode of keeping the accounts was
Simplerth anti less costly than the new mode. For instance,
.oe coat of keeping the accounts of the Chinese expedi-
we,. was 4,0001., whereas under the commissariat officer
Would only have been 1,300/. Again, he found that
thereio ,a a credit in favour of this country from the
Aa
e‘na, amounting to 20,000/. a-year. Now it
duty was
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ought to be removed, or else
that the proceeds shouludtyl(33lexpended in increasing the
comforts of the soldier.
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:$1 r. ONSEL reftr:ed
isstatereent of Gen. Peel,
to the t ffect that faith must be -entpt with the students
at
e ex-
at Cershalton, and that it would
thought, ho ;c_
upon the public. He (Mr. Itltisal
ever, that faith might he kept with the public
any cost, by giving the present pupils, whPenutilli:ic.aairtdrhiciveudt
at a proper age, adtniaion to the Woolwich
by a pass examination, without subjecting them to any
competitive test. (Hear.) Formerly, when the pupils at
Woolwich were boys, there might be no impropriety in
three or four of them sleeping in one room, but now that
they were young men it was most desirable that each
should have a room to himself, and he hoped, therefore,
that the gallant gentleman would ask for a small vote
lot teat purpose.
Col. KNOX concurred in the suggestion of the right

hon. gentleman ; but why had he not himself acted upon '
it !
Sir F. SMITH agreed in what had fallen from the two
last speakers. He thought it most desirable that each
regiment should have what might be called a home, and
he instanced the Marines as illustrating the advantage of
that system. Having himself served at Aldershott, he
had always been of opinion that a Land Transport Corps
was the only thing wanted there to complete the educa-
tion of the officers and men in the art of campaigning.
Col. BOLDER() said it was not remarkable that the
Marines should be the favourite corps of the service. A
man who entered the service went on board ship for
three or four years, and when he returned to England he
had often 601. or 701. of pay to receive. He could then
purchase his discharge and commence some small
busi-
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had lived by themselves. (A. laugh.)
Major WORTLEY was surprised to hear the astir.
vations of the gallant colonel. For his own part he hoped
the alteraticen suggested at Woolwich would be made as
soon as possible.
Gen. PEEL said that everything which fell from the
gallant general (Sir W. Codrington) would always meet
with the greatest attention ; but the gallant general
must know that when there was so much pressure upon
the recruiting service, they could not afford to be too
particular. Before the breaking out of the mutiny, the
British army was in round numbers 157,000 strong, and
there were in India itself four regiments of cavalry, and
24 battalions of infantry. At the present moment the
total British force consisted of about 223,000 men ; so
that it had been necessary to raise during the past year
no fewer than 56,000 additional men ; and there were
now in India 23 regiments of cavalry and 105 battalions
of infantry. It had thus been necessary to send out
from the home establishment 19 regiments of cavalry
and 81 battalions of infantry. To make up the deficiency
r) created they had formed two new regiments of cavalry
and one of infantry ; and they had raised 25 second
battalions, They had moreover increased the strength
of the cavalry regiments from 469 to 660 men, and that
of the infantry regiments from 840 to 950 men. The
number of men voted had not yet been raised ; but as
48,000 men had been enlisted he eight months, he saw
no reason to doubt that such would soon be the case.
The annual casualties were very heavy. Taking them
at the ordinary rate during peace, namely 12 per cent.,
they would require about 30,000 recruits every year to
keep up the strength of the army. To this must be
added another 20,000 men still wanting to complete the
military armaments of the country ; and it would thus
appear that the total number of recruits that would be
needed during the year would be 50,000. (Hear,
hear.) In the first instance the standard had been
lowered to 5 feet 3 inches, in order to provide troops for
India, but it had been raised again to sft. 4in. With
regard to the Commissariat and the Land Transport
Corps, nothing was more difficult to keep up in the time
of peace than establishments of this description ; but he
proposed to institute an inquiry into the subject. He
would also take the other subjects which had been men-
tioned into consideration. He was very glad to say that
a plan had been suggested by which faith could be kept
with the students at Carshalton, without any expense to
the country. The accommodation for those at Wool wich
should receive attention ; but he would remind the house
that at the time he came into office the determination
come to was that they should be removed to Sendhurat.
Col. NORTH could not help expressing the regret he
felt that 16 militia regiments should have been disbanded
at a moment when the army was 20,000 men under the
strength voted by Parliament. Reduction and then in-
crease of the army caused an immense expense to the
country, and was most injurious to the service.
The house then went into committee on the
ARMY ESTIMATES.
On the first vote, 101,9771. for the departments of the
Secretary of State or War and the Commander-in-Chief,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained of the loose way in
which the estimates were placed before the house. This
vote comprised sums for three assistant secretaries ; what
were they all to dot He also found a large salary of
9501. put down for the chaplain general. What were the
duties of this chaplain-general ! Was he a kind of bishop
over the other chaplains ?
Col. KNOX said that when the War Department was
reorganised, a pledge was given to Parliament that full
explanation should be given of its expense and manage-
ment. This had never been done; and they were now
payingiftreble the amount in the Commander-in-Chief's
department ; and he very much doubted whether the
business was more efficiently conducted. There were
in reality four secretaries—one more than stated
by the last speaker ; there was a military correspond-
ing secretary. Parliament ought to insist on the pledge
being fulfilled which was given before the war,
with regard to the expense and distribution of the force.
A commission ought to be appointed to inquire into the
whole business of the department. The relation of the
Commander-in-Chief and the head of the War Depart-
ment was not what it ought to be. (Hear, hear.) With
a military man at the head of the department there was
less chance of a collision ; but if a civilian filled that
office great difficulties might occur. The duties of the
office ought to be clearly defined. Sir Thos. Trowbridge
bad been appointed head of the clothing board ; after-
wards a change was made, and a gentleman was ap-
pointed whose only recommendation appeared to be that
he knew nothing of the requirements of that department.
Sir F. SMITH said that the duties of the department
could not be performed with a smaller staff.
Sir D. NORREYS referred to the state of the house
(there were only 0003.0 as members, present) as evirieno
ing the culpable apathy of Parliament on matters cf
national expenditure. He stated the particulars of
claim which had been sent in to the War-office for the
property of a deceased soldier, and said that a delay of
six months bad occurred before the matter was settled.
This was highly discreditable to the management of the
department. The most lavish expenditure was incurred
in the movement of troops, owing to the want of system
and good management. He did not blame the hon. and
gallant general now at the head of the department for
this wasteful expenditure.
Col. NORTH expressed surprise at the complaint of
the hon. baronet. It was possible by application at the
War-office, to obtain at any time the fullest information
as to the death of soldiers, and the property which they
might have left.
Sir D. NORREYS reiterated his statement.
After a few words from Sir J. TRELAWNY,
Col. BOLDERO said that the department instead of
being too large was much too small. Three departments,
the army, ordnance, and militia, formerly under three
heads, each responsible to Parliament, had been consoli-
dated into one ; and the staff was not sufficiently large.
At Weedon, for instance, where upwards of a million
had been spent in little more than a year, the accounts
bad never been audited, and it had now been necessary,
to send down extra clerks for the purpose. All the ad-
vantage gained by the amalgamation had been an in-
crease of expenditure. In 1852-3 the amount of force
under those departments were 113,697 men, and the ex-
pense was under nine millions. Now the force was
133,000, and the expense was 11,500,0001. Still it was
insufficient properly to conduct the business of the de
partment, and he believed that it would be necessary to
add another million to the estimates.
General PEEL said he would endeavour, when he
prepared the next estimates, to meet the views of Mr.
Williams. Instead of the staff being reduced, he was
convinced that it must be enlarged. (Hear, hear.) He
refereed to the case mentioned by Sir D. Norreys, and
said that nothing could exceed the anxiety of the depart•
inent to give the earliest and most satisfactory informa-
tion in all such cases as that referred to.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS repeated his question about the
three secretaries.
General PEEL said the only answer he could give was
that the whyle of those officers were fully employed.
Mr. WILLIAMS said it appeared there was also a
military corresponding secretary.
Sir W. CODRINGTON said the office was a most
onerous one, and the duties were very satisfactorily per-
formed.
Col. KNOX was satisfied that good order and method
would materially lessen the labour of the War-office.
Col. NORTH bore testimony to the efficiency of the
military corresponding secretary and others, and said
that there was not one officer too many.
The vote was then agreed to.
233,0001. for manufacturing establishments, military
storekeepers, and barrack•mastere.
NEWDEGATE said it appeared that the estimate
for the manufactory at Enfield was 96,0001. or 97,000/.,
instead of 55,000/. This was a great increase, he hoped
the produce would be correspondingly large. The report
of the committee of 1854 on the manufacture of small
arms had recommended that a debtor and creditor ac-
count should be kept in the government establishments
showing the cost and the production. He had long been
anxious to see this account produced, and hoped that the
1, precedent would be followed in other departments. At
present the Enfield accounts had to be picked °et. from
four or five different places in the estimates. It was too
' much that the house should beexpected to compile these
accounts. In addition to the large increase in the Enfield
expenditure, several extraordinary items had been intro-
duced. In 1854, after the committee had recommended
that the.expense for the establishment at Enfield should
be limited to 34,0001., it had amounted to 150,0001.,
and had since swelled up to 270,0001. or 300,0001 The
apenee of the artificers had increased from 39,0001. to
84,0001. It had been said ti-at the etnphyment of ma
ebinery would dispense to a great extent with skilled
la benr. The estimate was that 1,000 men, costing
39,000 j., wool I produce 150,000 muskets in a yeAr; but
it turned out that with an expenditure of 84,0001,, c my
50,000 muskets were produced. (Hear.) He made no
charge against the managers of the establishment, but it
was evident that t'iey were still oblig,d to employ a
great number of ekilldd labourers, whereby the aims
trade were deprived (.f their best workmen. As the in-
spectiog officer at Enfield was the same who Map cte-i
the arm; sent in from private establi.ihments the latter
hwoeurseepwlaaciedthaatt
Eaudfiiesladdsvhaenutaldge. act
as
Ts haeintention of
competitor
to this
the
gun trade. The bead of the Enfield establishment was
naturally interested in its success. But it was not fair
to the arms trade that a person in such a position ebould
b the ju!ge cf the arms produced by the trade. Let the
arms be inspected by souse officer who was not connected
with Enfield. That was a fair request. The arms trade
thought that they produced a better article than the En-
field establishment, and all they wanted, if there was to
Le competition, that that competition should be a fair
odfi
nife,cullitye
and thought
danger.
w AR due to the gun trade and their exertions in times ef
Mr. MONSELL said the return showed that Enfield
produced only 20,030 muskets last year. This year it
would produce betweenE 50,000 and 60,000. Tile cost
of a rifle made at Enfield was under 3/., whereas those

made at Birmingham cost 3/. ss. or 3/. 6s. The trials
made between the guns of Enfield and Birmingham
were, as he understood, all in favour of the Enfield gun.
The prophecy made by the Birmingham people with re•
gard to the machinery bad completely failed, for the
pieces fitted admirably with each other. The ( xperiment
of the Enfield was therefore entirely successful. He con-
curred in the praise which was due to the artificers and
workmen of Birmingham, but be did not think that the
gun trade would be injured by the establishment at
Enfield.

General PEEL hoped his hon, friend would allow the
dispute between Birmingham and Enfield to come to an
end: He did not believe that Birmingham would be in-
jured by Enfield. There was at present plenty of work
for both. The price of the Enfield rifle was 2/. 104.
that of the London and Birmingham trade was 2/.
18s. 30. But there was also the advantage that the
pieces of the rifles made at Enfield fitted into each other.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that some of the muskets
which were seat from Birmingham and tried at the
Tower very nearly interchanged with each other, so ex-
cellent was the work, although they were not intended
to do so. What the best witnesses said was, not that
interchangeability could cot be established, but that the
weapons so made would not be so perfect and lasting as
those made by hand labour. With regard to the dif-
ference of price, he could only Fay that the Americans,
who made very cheap guns, had not succeeded in mak-
ing guns so cheaply as the Enfield rifl43 were said to be
made. He was sure that the trade would avail them-
selves of any improvements which were made good at
Enfield.

Sir J. RAMSDEN said that the Birmingham gun
trade continued to make guns by hand, whereas at En-
field they were made by machinery, and this produced
the difference in price. Every encouragement was
given by the Government to the private trade, with a
view to their erecting machinery, so as to keep the En-
field establishment up to the mark by competition.., .
Mr. W. WILLIAMS was willing to assume that the
difference between the cost of weapons made in the Go-
♦ernment establishment and by private individuals was
correct. That was not the usual result, but the hon.
gentleman who spoke last explained the reason. There
were items for muskets made at Liege, St. Etienne, and
other foreign places. He should like to know the cause
of this.

General PEEL said that these were contracts made
during the war, which were not yet completed. In one
instance 12,000 muskets had been delivered, and 10,000
in another, but all bad not been yet delivered.
Colonel BOLDERO said that experiments had been
made at Woolwich between "Old Bass," the Enfield
rifle, and Mr. Whitworth's invention. The result was
that one ball from "Old Bass" struck a target six feet
kigh at a distance of 300 yards. Tho Enfield rifle, at
500 yards, made 25 per cent., and the Whit worth, at
800 yards equalled the Enfield. (Rear, hear.) The
Enfield carried 1,100 yards, but Whitworth's carried
2,000.

General CODRINGTON said that he was last year
the president of the committee by which these experi-
ments were conducted. The committee had to investi-
gate into the range and precision of the guns, and their
applicability to the lives and quarters t f the soldier.
Toe committee had as yet only time to 'investigate the
range, and there codd be no doubt as to the
value of Whitworth's arm. There was no difficulty
with Whitworth's gun to get so many shots in the tar-
get as to enable them to take an average ; but that was
not the case with the others. The invention was no
doubt of the greateet value. He understood that com-
mittee of investigation was to be made permanent.
Lord ELCIIO understood that the greater efficacy of
the Whitworth gun arose from its smaller bore. A
harder metal than lead was made which increased the
penetration.

Sir W. CODRINGTON said that the experiments at
Woolwich were carried on, not to try the absolute
merits of Mr. Whitworth's gun, but to test it in com-
parison with the Enfield, and in both cases soft lead was
used. It was a part of the merit of Mr. Whitworth's
gun that an iron ball could be used without damaging
the gun.

General PEEL had no doubt, after what the gallant
general had stated, of the superiority of the Whitworih
gun, and every encouragement had been given by the
Government for testing its merits.

Mr. CONINGHA 51 said it was a aew thing for Go-
vernment to produce a cheaper article than private in-
t iriduals. But the circumstance was explained by the
fact that machinery bad been erected at Enfield. The
principle of Government turning manufacturer was false
and dangerous. If the Whitworth gun superseded the
Enfield, would it not entail a loss upon the country ?
Sir W. CODRINGTON thought the manufacture of
arms was an exception to the general rule, and that the
result justified the experiment which had been made.
was a matter of experience that artiales manufactured by
contract were not always to be trusted, and it was of
vital importance that the army should have weapons in
which they could trust.

Mr. NEWDEGATE said that the superiority of the
rifles furnished to the trade had been clearly proved
in the Crimean and Indian war. The pricciple of the
present Enfield was devised by Mr. Westley Richards,
and the best thing done by the late Government was the
associating him with Mr. Whitworth, which ended in
the production of the Whitworth rifle. He trusted the
house would not believe that the trade were likely to
allow themselves to be beat ; the country could not corn-
mit
a greater mistake than to sacrifice private trade to
support a Government establishment which could only
be carried on at a great expense.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that in the estimates the
storekeepers and barrack masters were in columns. fie
thought the dutie. of these departments could be per-
formed by one staff of officers,.
The vote was then agreed to ; as was also the next.
358,3171., wages of artifi:ers and labourers.
On the next vote,
450,4601. for clothing and necessaries,
Mr. MONSELL asked the rea-on of the increase of
the vote for clothing of the infantry of the line.
General PEEL said he had himself been surpieed at
the inorease, but it aro-e from the increased sum given
to recruits. Tasy now got the bounty in full, and part
of the increase was to provide for the free kit which was
given. The vote for the embodied militia made up the
rest of the increase.

Mr. WILLIAMS also considered the vo'e very large,
but be congratulated the right hon. gentleman on having
abandoned the building at Rotherhithe, which would have
cost 300,0001
Colonel KNOX Paid that the present system of the
clothing was the worst possible. It now cost twice as
much as it, and the soldier was not as efficiently clothed.
Tne system of clothing colonels was the most economical
for the country.
Colonel GILPIN also thought the old system was the
most economical.
Col. BOLDER() objected to the vote. He thought it
was not in a proper fora). It was impossible to tell from
it what was the cost of clothing a private soldier. Cloth-
ing and necessaries ought to be kept distinct. As far as
he could make oat, the clothing of each man cost 31. Ils.
Under the old system it Wail only 2/. 6s. If they had
all the details, he was sure they would find the loss
double.

Lord ELCEO wished to ask a question with regard
to the great coats. He found that a system had been
introduced in London of having au extra great coat
hanging up in each sentry-box, but at Edinburgh Castle
there was nothing of the kind,
General CODRING roN said the regiments could
use up the old great coats for the purpose ; they only
required to ask permission.
General PEEL would be very glad to have the custom
introduced in all garrisons. Every sentry-box of the
Guards now had a great coat in it.
Mr. KINNAIRD thought it would be better to
diminish the number of sentries, Thera was no possible
use for them.

Colonel BOLDERO said the East India Company
was responsible for 92,000 men, but he understood the
War Department now wished to clothe them. He
wished to know why there was no appearance of this
charge in the estimates.
General PEEL said that the Ea,t India Company
paid a certain sum every month, but it went to the
Treasury, not to the War Department.
Lord E LCIIO thought it was a mere work of super•
erogation to have sentries at the R )yal Academy and
the British Institution.

Major WORTLEY said those sentries were on duty
only in the d ►y time.
Mr. WORTLEY thought it would be better if the
whole of the charge troops in India was borne on the
votes, ar.d credit then given for the sum paid by the East
India Company.
The vote was then agreed t ).
On the next vote,

690,6241. fur provisions, fuel, and light,
Mr. MONSELL asked whether there would be any
objection to allow the permanent staff of the militia to
obtain rations at contract price /
After a brief conversation the vote was agreed to, as
was also a vote of 634,727/. to defray the expense of war-
like stores for the land and sea forces.
Oa the vote of 285,7361. fur fortifications,

Sir C. NAPIER. took exception to the item in the
estimate for forts. He described the forts as being small
and useless, and objected to their being spread over the
whole of our c at, as they were so insignificant as to be
quite inapplicable to repelling an invading force. He
proposed, therefore, to move the reduction of the vote by
50,0001., the amount required for these inter .liediate forts.
Sir J. RA NISDEN observed that the hon. and gallant
admiral was under a mistake in supposing that the forts
extended over the whole of the coast. The charge to
which he referred was fjr three forts betwee❑ Gosport
and the advanced lines.
Sir C. NAPIER said this explanation removed his
objection to the vote.

Sir J. TRAAWNY complained that many of the
I,rts being built of limestone were who ly unfit for their
purpose, end instanced the one at the back of MountEdgecumbe, which a 30-gun brig would destroy in ten
n,baves.
Mr. W. WILLIINIS deprecated the outlay fur this
class cf workß.
S.r 13. WILLOUGHBY wished to know whether the
21,0001. stated iu this estimate would finish the work I
Gen. PEEL could not say ; but in reply to another
question, said that any balance that might remain over
the expenditure of the year would be paid back again
is, to tile Exchequer. The limestone forts had been erected
ou the recommendation of a scientific emn,nission.
The vote was agre,d
74,7801. for civil buildiogß, after a brief discussion, was
also agreed to.

397,6911 for barracks.
Cpl. NORTH asked if any notice was to be taken of
those plans which bad been sent in and gained prime by
competing: architects. He believed the cost of the prize
plan was 140/. a man, while the cost of the barracks at
Alder,,bot, which way built by engineers, as 1001. a
man. Did this 1001. a man cover all the requirements of
court•marLial rooms, mess rooms, and other necessary

items of accommodation which were included in the esti-
mate of the architects ? With regard to the statement of
his Royal 'Highness the Commander in-Chief about the
barracks ef this country, every word of that statement
be bolieved to be true and incapable of contradiction.
His R iyal Highness stated that the Horse Guards was
net accountable for the state of the barracks ; that he
was aware many things were required for the comfort
and accommodation and health of the soldier, but that
he did not hold the purse strings of the nation, and that
any representations made by him were met by the reply
that no funds were available. Referring to the speach of
Lord Panmure, in answer to the Royal Duke, in which
the noble lard spoke of the advantages the soldiers en-
joyed he (Col. North) held that though the soldier had
perhaps no legal right to a pension, it bad always been
understood that after 21 years' service the pension wool I
be given as a matter of course, and he did not believe
that any Secretary of State would venture to refuse it.
Then as to the ration., though they might be supplied at
less than the market price in this country, in many of the
colonies the men were charged considerably more than
the price paid by Government for the food. The state of
Portman-street barracks was disgraceful ; and with re-
gard to the barracks of the Sappers and Miners at Chat-
ham, which Lord Panmure referred to, was it fit that the
barrack accommodation for that or any othercorps should
be so deficient that one set of men had to turn into the
beds from which another set turned out 1 The hon. and
gallant gentleman urged that the mode in which the bar-
rack repairs were performed was most faulty. He also
referred to the report of the Sanitary Commission, in order
to show that it was not the fault of the military authori-
ties that the barracks were not more healthy, as every de-
partment had made every requisition for that purpose. If
the correspondence on the subject, which had been pro-
mised by the Secretary for War, did not show this, he
should move for further information,

General PEEL explained that the correspondence
moved for by the hon. and gallant member for Bodmin
would not give a fair and full account of the circum-
stances connected with the various alterations which had
been made in barracks. He agreed that plenty of re-
quisitions had been sent in for this object, but where
there was no vote of the house the answer was always
the same—that there was no money.
Sir J. RAMgDEN admitted that the Horse Guards
were not to blame fur the shortcoming in barrack accom-
modation, but he also contended that Lord Panmure
was not to blame, as he had immediately on coming into
office, appointed a committee to inquire into the state of
barrack accommodation, and since then there had been
great improvement. Neither was this house to blame,
for in 1855, 1856, and 1857 not less than 1,500,0001.
had been spent on barracks by the house. The real
truth was, that in long years of economy the barracks
had fallen into such a state of neglect that it would take
years to do anything effectual with them.
Colonel NORTH—Who is to blame ?
Sir J. RAXISDEN—The economy of previous
years.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that Col. North had
made a most unfounded charge against the house, ft,r
between 1854 and 1858 not less than 3,134,043/. had
been spent on barracks, besides 700,0001. for huts. The
repairs cost 300,0001. a year, and in one year the house
voted 40,0001. for plans of improvements in barracks.
He found that 400,0001. had been voted for Aldershott,
which had been exceeded by 13,0001. This year 88,0001.
was asked for, and a further sum of 20,0001. would be
required, making 531,7201. which would be required.
But would that complete the work, the total sum esti-
mated ft r which was 400,000/ ? There mast be some
bad management in laying oat these enormous sums.
Sir H. YERNEY would like to know who was re-
sponsible for the position of the barracks at Aldershott.
Taey were placed in such a psition that a hospital could
not be erected unless more land was bought.
Colonel B. KNOX had already protested against the
infamous state of the-barracks, especially those in Port-
man-street. He must remark that tenders had been
at.ked from architects for plans for barracks, which bad
been sent in, and were very creditable performances.
Were these persons who sent in the plans to be employed
in building barracks ? He feared not, and if so it would
be a great fraud on them if the Royal Engineers took
advatita,ge of their plans. He disapproved of the en-
trusting to engineer officers the construction of barracks,
and he regretted that the hon. and gallant member for
Chatham was not present ; but he wished to say he
thought great blame attached to that hon. and gallant
gentleman, who bad been instructed to lay out barracks
at Abierehott, and he wanted to know why the barracks
were opened on the confines of the estate. They were
on one side of the road, and the village on the other had
gas, while there was none in the camp. The expenditure
at Aldershott had been very great at a time when
barracks were so much wanted elsewhere. It was to
have been a temporary camp, but it had since been built
up with huts, which were going to pieces. He hoped
that something would be done to get the troops in Lon-
don better barracks.

Colonel BOLDERO agreed that the old barracks were
had and uninhabitable, but what he was astonished
at wa that the new works should be carried on on a
bad plte. There had been a reckless expenditure on
Atderehott, which was to have been a common encamp-
ment for troops, but which had been changed into a per-
raament camp, composed of huts, which were already
rotten, and now permanent barracks were being built.
He wished to know how it was that when there was such
a large number of men at Aldershott they were not
employed in making the road and drains. The expen-
diture for the present year under those beads would be
'550,0001., to which must be added 100,0001. for buts.
As regarded Nettey Abbey Hospital, Surgeon Gibson
'had stated that the site was quite unsuitable for such a
buil I ing. He was told that at low water the foundation
was on a level with the sea.

Lord EBRINGTON said, though he bad no wish to
anticipate the motion of which be had given notice f,r
the following day, with regard to the mortality cf the
army, be must make one or two remarks having a bear-
ing on that subject:. The teal question was whether,
having fnoled a good deal of money away, at AlJerehott
and elsewhere, they were not bound to continue their
expenditure till the soldier was lodged in a manner
which would give him as good a chance of life as was
possessed by the community generally. Portman Bar-
racks were, as had been prated, very bad, but they were
far from bving the worst barracks that he had seen.
The Wo3lwich barracks were in such a dilapidated con-
dition that the galleries a'ong which the soldiers walked
had to be shored up to prevent accidents and loss of
life; and in the very centre of the building, and under-
neath the soldiers' dormitories, were laboratories and
other places which were enough to breed a pestilence ;
while in one part of the barracks there still remained
the old and justly condemned airangement of a double
tier of beds. It would be impossible to fetch up the
arrears of accommodation for :ioldiers without a con-
siderable outlay, and in a mere economical point of view
it was desirable that the existing defects should be re-
moved.

Mr. TITE said a few years ago architects were in-
vited to send in plans for barracks, and a promise was
given that the successful competitors should be em-
ployed, the premiums being made very small on that
account ; and the architects who happened to be suc-
cessful now complained, and he thought justly, that
the promise made had not been fulfilled. He had
been in communication on the subject with the Secre-
tary at War, who had promised to give the subject his
best consideration. The greet evil hitherto had been that
barracks had been erected without any definite plan. He
could not but think that architects who were accustcmed
to erect civil buildings were the most suitable persons to
erect barracks. As regarded Netley Hospital,/for which
a vote sf 73,000/. was asked, he trusted that the hon.
and gallant general wonid postpone it till after the re-
port of the cemtnission bad been laid before the house,
together with the report of the medical officers.
Gen. PEEL said of course if the architects alluded to
cpdb
nhaaocictaut
actually
guar oattt nadi of
economical.
The Their
estimate plans,
er
e
et
by the hon. gent'enean were promised employment they
barracks was 1401. per head, for cavalry barracks 3001.
lalyn and n
nfourr
raerdt i et r
Ay l
ti3e3roslh.
at perw ahae a4ds,l.wfhaerr e
thea s tlhne.
o for infantryow ev
er,
fantry, 1501. for the cavalry, and 1571. fur the artillery.
He thought that, although Aldershot had been so much
abused, the barracks there were, on the whole, very
good. The only fault which he had to find was that they
were situated at the extremity of the property. Wits.
respect to the remarks of the noble lord (Ebrington) he
thought his wisest course was to deal with matters as he
found them. It was of no use to talk about the money
which hal been spent in vain ; what the Government
would do was to endeavour as far as poseible to apply a
remedy to existing evil,.
Mr. S. HERBERT agreed with the hon. and gallant
general that the poirt now was to endeavour to set
light whatever was wrong in the barracks. In consider-
ing the amount of money which had been spent they
should take into account the enormous size of barracks.
A barrack war, in fact, a town. There was a larger
population in WelLngton•barracks than was to be fouled
in certain towns which were represented in that house.
(Laughter,) I barracks there must be a prison, read-
ing-rooms, and suitable residences fur the officers ; in
fact a barrack was a complete town. Lord Panmure
ob re di being
e v:
hal attributed to him the statement that the great mor-
tality among the Guards was the consequence of their
mortality among them. His lerdship also remarked that
over-crowded.
frallnie
adsisdignntontgsay they were over-
barracks than into the hospital f almost any other there were fewer admissions into the hoas:ryitar;:;°Pnofrottrntahne-
and other serious complaints were very numerous in the
bar-
rack. If he examined he would find that cases of fever
Portman•barracks, and hence it was that they were re-
peeseuted a. so unhealthy. He had the greatest coufi-
deuce that in the hand-, of the hon. and gallant gentle-
man this question c f barrack accommodatten would be
dealt with in a sati•fact,ory manner. As regarded Netley
Hospitel lie was still of the opinion he had expressed,
that the sieo was a most unfortunate one ; and as to the
Medicsl Beard, t r whom Lord Panmure referred, all he
could say was that they appeared,
like many civil boards,
to have paid very little attention to the construction of
holoitais.
Generel PEEL said that as a centracthad been entered
into tke vote couel not be postponed.
entered ir'TilLE,
o
postponing the work-%
tante' vwe
nclutihda tb
be
lnt odnerlihn an
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stopping
been
n
Gtftnetrr
art,
tioe of the vete and postpone the remainder. (Hear.)
for the Al lershot barracks be struck out of the vote.
fl"wEEwLursd:idfrohme had Sir nilo.oVhjEeßctNißoYn'to take a por-
Alltije°rraWfe°wP:ll:elEarYksPfricoPm"C'doltohnaetl
liamsdea,
Captain ANNESLEY said that a more unfit place for
soldiers could not be tound than Portman barracks, and
be wished to know whether they were likely to be done
away with ? •
the Gil
peienranonfdBBst:ooJl..

Ganeral PEEL said that nothing could be determined
upon until after the report had been received.
Tue amendment of Major Wortley wadi then put and

negatived without a division, and the vote was agreed to.
The house then resumed.
WAYS AND MEANS,
The house then went into committee of ways and
means, and a vote of 11,000,0001. was granted.
PRINCE EDWARD'S ISLAND LOAN BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill.
Lord SFANLEY said he had to propose a vote to the
following effect : That her Majesty be authorised to
guarantee the repayment of a loan not exceeding
100,0001. to the colony of Prince Edward's Island, with
interest thereon not exceeding 4,0001. He did not in-,
tend in introducing this subject to ask the committee to
p'edge themselves either to the principle or the detail of
this bill. He thought he was justified in saying that
there existed on ail sides of the house an objection to
imperial guarantees for colonial purposes, and in that
objection he fully concurred, for he thought that the
system was dangerous and embarrassing to the imperial
finanoes, and injurious to the nolonies themselves, for
the colonies should understand that coexistent with self-
government should be self-support. He might be asked
why he proposed to depart from the rule in the present
ease, and the reason was, that the present case was ex-
ceptional, and not likely to occur again. In helping this
colony, they were only repairing an old wrong caused
by the imperial Government, for this colony had been
injured by an act of the Government of this country
90 years ago. In 1767 nearly the whole, or the greater
part, of the soil of the island—nearly a million and a half
of acres—was put up, he could hardly say by auction,
but by public lottery in London, and disposed of in a
single day, there being 67 lots of 20,000 acres each. The
land was granted on the condition of introducing settlers
in the proportion of one to 100 acres, and there was also a'
quit rent of from 2e. to 6s. for every 100 acres.. Improvi-
dent as were these conditions, Government did not even
interfere to enforce them. Soon after the settlement of
the colony the American war broke out, and it was held
that the introduction of settlers had become impossible,
and they were consequently not introduced, and the Go-
vernment tacitly, if not in express words, dispensed with
that part of the bargain. The payments also fell into ar-
rear, and they were not enforced. The consequence was
that nearly all the soil of the Island was vested in pro-
prietors, the greater part of whom were absentees, and
who, from the conditions of their tenure, were placed in
antagonism to the great part of the population. From
that time up to the present the whole history of Prinee
Edward's Island was a reoord of one long quarrel between
the proprietors thus imposed on the colony by the Impe-
rial Government and the rest of the population, their
tenants. At first various attempts were made to get the
grants revoked, but those attempts were not encouraged
by the government of the day, but, on the contrary, a
'are e amount of arrears of quit-rent was forgiven in 1818,
and at the same time the quit-rents were reduced. In
1830 a further change was made—the quit-rents were
abandoned, and a land-tax substituted for them. About
this time the colonists changed their tactics, and instead
of endeavouring to obtain forfeitures they attempted to
drive out the proprietors by imposing excessive taxation.
During this period there was a reduction in the value of
eelonial currency, so that ls. 6J. currency was only worth
ls. sterling, reducing in that proportion, of course, the ,
rent of the proprietors. Reepoosible government was in.
)roduced into the colony in 1851, and it was felt that all
parties had a right to complain that at that time no at-
tempt was made to settle this question. In 1855 the mat-
ter was brought to a crisis. The colonial government
sent home two acts, one imposing on these proprietors
a rent charge for military and other purposes, and
another giving tenants compensation for improvements.
The machinery by which these acts were to be worked
out was so unjust that her Majesty was advised to dis-
allow both acts. As to the first act, the Governor wrote
home saying that though the measure was liable to the
objection that it was a class tax, yet he had seen with
regret the impossibility of getting arty other measure
which would effect the object oontemp ated, and he
thought if it was not passed greater evils would follow.
As to the other act, he advised the Government to give
their consent to it. The Government wrote back in
return, expressing their alarm at the mischief that might
result from the continued agitation of this question.
His predecessor in office had felt the danger of leaving
this quesion open, and he suggested that an amicable
settlement should be come to by the lands being bought
up. The amount of the loan necessary was 100,0001.,
which was proposed to be repaid in 20 years, the secu-
rity for that arising from land sales and general revenue.
His predecessor had assented to that proposition ; but
from some circumstances last year he postponed the bill
but promised that it should be brought in this year.
The revenue of the colony, which was 12,000/. in 1848,
was now between 20,0001. and 30,0001., and the colony
was absolutely free from debt, though the expenditure
had pretty well kept pace with the revenue; but there
was a small available surplus.. He would not go into
the calculation of the rentals. It was enough to say
that the net rental was 7,0001., a sinking fund was pro-
vided, and the debt would be repaid in 20 years. Under
these circumstances, he trusted that when the time came
for the principl j of this measure to be discus-ed the
house would give its sanction to it. The noble lord con-
c'uded by moving a resolution to the effect that her Ma-
jesty be authorised to wive a guarantee for the repay-
ment of a loan of 100,0001., and interest, not exceeding
4 per cent, per annuee.
Mr. BLACKBURN said this was one of the legacies
left to the present by the late Government, and was one
which he supposed they would rather not have received.
He trusted that the house would not agree to this resolu-
tion. No reason had been given why, if the tenants of
these lands wished to buy up the fee, simple, they should
not do it individually ; but it was proposed that
• it should be done by a guaranteed loan of 100,0001.
i Now, Parliament had objected entirely to the principle,
and he thought the most simple way would be to nega-
tive this resolution.
The resolution was then put and agreed to.
CHANCERY AMENDMENT BILL.
The house resolved itself into committee on this bill,
resuming at clause 9, which was agreed to. The remain.
ing clauses were also agreed to, and the preamble
amended.
CHELSEA-BRIDGE ACT AMENDMENT.
Lord J. MANNERS moved for leave to bring in a
bill to amend the act of the 9th and 10th of her present
Majesty, chap. 39, relative to Chelsea-bridge.
Mr. ALCOCK said he should take the opportunity,
when the bill was in committee, to move to abolish the
toll altogether.
Leave was given to bring in the bill.
STANHOPE AND WOLSINGHAM RECTORIES.
L rd H. VANE obtained leave to bring in a bill for
the future appropriation of the tithe or tenth of lead
ores in the parishes of Stanhope and Wolsingham, in
the county of Durham, belonging to the respective rec-
ters thereof, subject to the existing incumbencies ; and
and for making other provisions for the endowment of
the said rectories in lieu thereof, and for other purposes.
The house adjourned at 5 minutes past one.

tion. The character of Mr. Ball was too well known
to require any vindication.

Mr: Slade said they all knew and respected Mr.
Ball.

The room was then cleared, and after a brief de-
liberation strangers were re-admitted, when
The Chairman announced that the committee
had come to the following resolutions, viz.:—
" That Geo. Gavin, Esq., was not duly elected
to serve in the present Parliament for the county
of the city of Limerick.
" That the last election was a void election.
" That George Gavin, Esq., was, by his agents,
guilty of bribery at the last election for the county
of the city of Limerick.
" That it was proved to the committee that John
Doherty, a voter, bad been bribed by John
M'Carthy with two orders for 21. and Si. respec-
tively, and by Morgan H. Howard with an order
for 21., in virtue of which orders he received the
value of 101. in goods and money from James Fife,
a grocer, to whom, after application by post to
John O'Donnell, the said sum of 101. was paid by
the hands of Morgan H. Howard.
" That John Browne, residing at O'Brien's-
bridge, in the county of Clare, and formerly an
officer in the 15th R-giment of Foot, and after-
wards in the Clare Militia, was bribed with 101. by
Daniel Doyle, to secure the votes of certain voters
who were tenants of h's father, and that in consi-
deration of such bribes, he induced seven of those
tenants to vote for George Gavin, Esq.
" That these acts of bribery were committed
without the knowledge or consent of the said Geo.
Gavin, Esq., and contrary to his expressed in-
structions."
Tae committee then broke up.

Names of
Companies.

Ashtn &Oldh
Birmingham
Coventry.. • •
Derby .. • • •
GrandJunctn.
Do., 6 pr. Ct.
Grand Union
Kennt & Avn
Leeds &Livrp
Leicester....
Leicstr &Nth
Loughborogh
Macclesfield.
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m Annum.

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40 4/:
MO 111.
100 6/. 15s.
100 21. pr. et.
10 61. pr. et.
100 7s. 6d.
40 6s.
100 251.
100 51.
83 11.55.
143 701.
100 21. 10s.
100 161.
100

Name of Company.

Berlin .... ..
East London

Do. 4 per Cent. Pref.
Do. 5 per Cent. Pref.
Grand Junction .....•

Do. New .• •• • •
Lambeth . • .... .. • • ..
New River Company..
Southwark & Vauxhall
%Vest Middlesex .• ..
Do. Do, ......

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aungerford.... ••
Southwark ...... ,

Ditto New of 7% p.c.
Waterloo ..... ........
Ditto Old Ann. of 81.
Ditto Nw ditto of 71.
Vauxhall ............

Name of Company

Commercial ...• ....••

Do. Preference
East and West India..
Grand iurry D. & Canal

Do. Loan Notes

Do. 5 per cent. Pref.
London .•• • • .•••• • •
it. Katharine • • •• •• ..
Southampton •• •• •• ••
Victoria .• •••• •• •..•
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Price.!

93%
193

Name of Company.

10n,

Names of
Companies.

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Regent's • • • •
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Stffrd &Won:
Stoarbridge..
'Severn and
Wye Rail. j
Warwick &
Birming.
'Warwick &
Napton..,l
Worcstr & t.
Birming.
Wilts & Brks

51. per cnt.
61. per cnt.
41. percent.
51. per cent.
4t. per cnt.

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11. 12s. Od.
It. Is. Od.
28s.

DOCKS.

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51. pr cent.

6/. pr cent.
41. per cent.

Amount
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25 0 0
25 0 0
50 0 0
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lINT-srocK

1100 0 0
1 61 8 0
1 5 1 8

Dividend
per

Amount
of
Share.

X s. d.
25 0 0
100 0 0
50 0 0
100 0 0
60 0 0
40 0 0
70 10 3

Dividend
per

Annum

a Os.
17s.

281.
121. 10s.
11. 16s.

105.
75. Od.

Amount
of
Share.

Z s. d.
Stock.
Stock.
Stock.
100 0 0
100 0 0
25 0 0
Stock.
Stock.
50 0 0
20 0 0
20 0 0

Paid.

Annum.

Bank of Egypt
Bank of London
British North American
Ch. Bk. Ind. Aust & Ch.
City
Colonial
Commercial of London.
Eng . Scot. & Aust. Ch.
Gond. Char. Bk. of Aus.
Do. New

20/, per cent.

SZ. per cent.
9 per cent.
4i. per cent.
M. per cent.

Z s. d.
100
all

Price.

Paid.

4 s. d

Pric e

Price,

PP
71. p. c. & by.l
4i. per cent.
51. percent.

London and County
Lou.& Eastn Brikg. C.
London Joint-Stock
Londn dad Westminstr
Nat. Provincial of Eng.
Ditto, New .. • •
Ditto ditto
Natio•ial Bank
New .• oath Wales
Oriental Bank Corpora.
Ottoman Bank
Provincial of Ireland..
Ditto, New.— .•• • •
10nian.....• .• • • • • • • • •
South Australia .• -•
Union of Australia....

Paid. I Price.

X s. d.
Stock.

too "6 0
too 0 0
5 0 0
Stock.
I „
50 0 0
20 0 0
14 0 0

B ANKS.

Amount
of
Share.

Paid.

per cent.
6?. per cent.
28 per cent.
18 per cent.
16pc.dcbs

d.
40 0 0
25 0 0
100 0 0
50 0 0
20 0 0
100 0 0
100 0 0
100 0 0
1 20 0 0
20 0 0
20 0 0
1 50 0 0
100 0 0
50 0 0
100 0 0
100 0 0
20 0 0
20 0 0
50 0 0
20 0 0
25 0 0
20 0 0
100 0 0
10 0 0
25 0 0
25 0 0
25 0 0

tol
131,6

61. per cent.
20'. per cent.
101. per cent.

Price

Z a. d.
all
18 15 0
50 0 0

an
6 0 0
50 a 0
25 0 0
20 0 0

113. p. ct.&bs.
al. per cent.
51. per cent.
101. per cent.
211. per cent.

Union of Hamburg....
Union of London...
Unity Mutual .... • • • •
Western Bank or Londn.

151. per cent.'

15 0 0
50 0 0
100 0 0
100 0 0

20 0 0
50 0 0
10 0 0
20 0 0
35 0 0
10 0 0
5 0 0
22 10 0

LIST OF SCOTTISH COMPANIES' PRICES.
Dividend Amount
Name of Company. per of Paid. Price.
Annum. Share.
- -- -- -
4 a. d. X 8. d.
Sank of Scotland .... 71. per cent. 100 C 0 100 0 0 19010 s
British Linen Company 8/. per cent. 100 0 0 100 0 0 217 /Os
Caledonian Bank ..... 81. per cent. 10 0 0 210 031 16s
City of Glasgow Bank 5/. per cent. 10 0 0 10 0 0 81 5s
Clydesdale Bank .... 5341. p cent. 20 0 0 10 0 0 12115 s
C irnmercial Bank .. 7?. per cent. 500 0 0 100 0 0 225110
Eastern Bank.. •• .• •• 61. per cent. 25 0 0 10 0 0 111 bs
Edinb. Is Glasgow...• 3341. p cent. 5 0 5 0 0 981 5s
National Bank ...• - 634 per cent. 100 0 0 100 0 0 184 53
Northof Scotland Bank 5/.percent 20 0 0 210 05? 103
Royal Bank of Scotl. .. 51. per cent. 100 0 0 100 0 0 143/ s
Union Bank of Scot. .. 81. per cent. 100 0 0 50 0 0 851 Os
Western Bank•• -- •• 7/. per cent. 50 0 0 50 0 0 -1 0
Alliance Fire and Life.. 834 /.pr cent. 100 0 0 11 0 0 16110 s
British Guarantee ... 41. per cent. 10 0 0 2 0 0 11 7s
Caledonian Fire Insur. 10c.per cent. 100 0 0 10 0 0 251 Os
City of Glasgow Life.. 61. per cent. 25 0 0 2 0 03/ lOs
Colonial Life ......... 5/. per cent. 50 0 0 3 0 081 Os
Edinburgh Life Insur. 61. per cent. 100 0 0 15 0 0 26l Os
Eng. & Scot, Law Life Sl.per cent. 50 0 0 3 5 0 41 Os
Life Assoc. of 13cetiand 611. per cent. 40 0 0 3 0 0 'll Os
Nationai Fire and Life 61. per cent. 10 0 0 1 4 0 1/19 S
North British Insur... 71. per cent. 200 0 0 20 0 0 37/10s
Northern Assurance Co. 20 0 0 1 0 0 11 15s
Scottish Provincial .... - 50 0 0 2 0 02/ 12s
Scottish Union Intone. 7311. pr cent. 20 0 0 1 0 0 II 14s
Standard Life -••.. •• 51. per cent. 50 0 0 7 0 0 301 Os
GAS-LIGHT AND COKE COMPANIES.
Dividend Amount
Name of Company. per of Paid. Price.
Annum. Share.
£ s. d. £ s. d.
British Provincial •• •• 71. per cent. 20 0 0 all 243
Brig • hton „ .......• ~ 51 per cent. 20 0 0 - 14
City of London .. •• •• 2/. per cent. 150 0 0 150 0 0 -
Equitable.. •••••• •• •• 2/. 50 0 0 all 43
- -
European .... ....... 6/. per cent. 20 0 0
Great Central .• .. •• . . 4/. per cent. 10 0 0 -- 11
Imperial .. •• .• .... - 10/. per cent. SO 0 0 - 80
Ditto New - 50 0 0 12 10 6 -
Ditto Debentures - Stock 100 0 0 -
Do. Continental IstCap. 31. Si. 50 0 0 42 15 0 -
Do. Do. 2d Cap. 4/. 15s. 50 0 0 41 0 0 -
Do. Do. 3d Cap. 41. 103. 50 0 0 43 10 0 -
Do. Do. 4th Cap. 31. 50 0 0 41 0 0 53
Independent ....• -.• 51. 40 0 0 all -
London Parl. Preferen. 6/. per cent. 25 0 0 - -
Phoenix
Ratcliff..... .••••••• 5/. 20 0 0 16 0 0 1531
Surrey Consumers -
United General - -
Westminster Chartered 7 per cent. 50 0 0 - 52
Ditto, New ... -.. •• - 50 0 0 10 0 0 lo
Western A •• •• 10 0 0 all 8%
-
Ditto B OO •••• •••• 10 0 0 4 0 0
MISCELLANEOUS.
Dividend Amount
Name of Company. per of Paid. Price.
Annum. Share.
...---. ------
Z s. d. X s. d.
Acadian Charcoal Iron •• 10 0 0 2 0 0 -.
African Steam Ship . • .. 20 0 0 10 0 0 -
50 0 0 20 0 0
Assam lea • • .. •• •• ••6t. rer cent.
Auctien M __
/14/per cent 50 0 0 -
art•• •• •• •• 25 0 0 19 0 0 3014
Au3tralian Agriculturl -
_.Australian Trust •• 81. pr cent. 100 0 0 25 0 0 -
..
- t 0 0 0 all
Australian loyal Mait
Anglo-Mexican Mint..
11. 10s. 10 0 0 all -
British American Land 51. per cent 50 0 0 40 0 0 -a/. Percent 100 0 0 32 10 0 137
Canada ... •• •• •• • • ..
Do. 5 per cent Bonds 51. pet cent
StockStoc 0 0 0
Stock
11000 - 0 0
....
Ditto, 5 per cent bds 51. per cent.
Ditto, 6 per cent. .. 6/. per cent
Stock
kk
:0 0 0
0000 0
_-
Ditto, 6p c. bds 1874 41. per cen
Ditto, 6p c. bds 1876 6/. per eent. Stock 100 0 0
2/. per cent. 50 0 all 15 Crystal Palace .
Ditto Preference 7l pr. cent. 5 0 0 5 o 0 _
all Crys. Palace of France - 4 0 0
-
City Navigation Bonds 3141. per cent - ___
-
Electric telegraph
Eng.&A.us. Cop. Smelt - 50 0 all 13i
Eng &Iris. Slag. T. Co - 50 0 0 all
.
Equitable lleversionry S/ per cent. 100 0 0 1)0 0 0 -
Ditte New .• -- .• _ 50 0 0 22 10 0
Gen. Revers. & Invest. 51. p c and 1/. 100 0000 0 0 Gen. I. Sc. Col. (Lim.) - 2h 0 0 all .r
Gen.SteamNavigation 10/. per et. & 15 0 0 14 0 0
Loudon Gen. Omnibus 12/. per cent 40 0 all 3
Hudson's Pay...... •• 5/. per cent. Stock Stock -
llUngerford .......• •. 2/. 5.3. 00. 0 0 all
Loa. Ne. &Na. Mauso. - 10 0 0 all -
-
London Reversionary 5/. per cent. il+ 0 / all - Mex. &S. American - 0 0 all -
Nat. Discount Comp -
N.S.W. Gov.sp.c. Deb 5/. per cent. - 100 0 0 - Nor. Bri. Australasian 6d. 1
0 0 all 3/4
North of Europe, Stn Bl. per cent. 20 0 0 17 10 0
Prlce'sPatentCand. Co - 21 0 0 all
l'eel Itiver.Land&Slin. - 50 0 all 2
Pen. & Oriental Steam 71. per cent 50 0 0 all 79
Ditto New
50 0 0 10 0 0 1734
Reversionary Int. Soc. 4%1. pr cent 100 0 0 all
• Ditto New -
•-. . - 41 pr cent. 100 0 0 20 0 0 - A 2/•
Royal Mail Steam 4l. p. share. 100 0 0 SC 0 0 59 •
Scottish Aus. Invest l5/. per cent. 10 0 all 1%
South Australian Land 7/. per cent. 25 0 0 all -
Trust and Loan Comp. 731.. pr cent. 20 0 0 5 0 0 -
Vas Diemen's Land- 10s. 100 00/28 10 e DIA
5 per cent. Bonds t 6 per cent -- 1 --- --7

BIRTHS.
BATEMAN —On the 7th inst., at Great George-street, West-
minster, the wife of Benjamin Bateman, Esq., of °'
daughter.

NAPIER—On the 2d lust., at Naples, Lady Milliken Napier,
of a son.

ROUSE - On the 7th inst., at the Parsonage, Waltham Abbey,
the wife of the Rev. Rolla C. M. Rouse, of a daughter.

MARRIAGES.

2100 RE —STEVENS —On the 6th inst., at the parish church,
Walthamstow, Henry John, youngest son of Mr. Thomas
Moore, of H.M.'s Cu-toms, to Emma, third daughter of
Mr. John Stevens, the Chestnuts, Marsh-street, Waltham'
stow, and 33, Mark-lane.
PuLLIn.—TAYLOR--On the 10th inst., at St. Stephen's, Niral-
brook, Mr. John P. liar, of Rye-lane, Peckham, to Sophia,
the third daughter of Mr. John Taylor, Pancras-lane, Cheap'
side.