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London, England, 1867-07-02 00:00:00

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HOUSE OF LORDS_LAST EVENING.
The LORD CRANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at
five o'clock.
THE FORTHCOMING REVIEW.
A NOBLE LORD suggested that as it was most probable
that at the forthcoming review there would be a great
number of persons present, be would suggest to the noble
lord the President of the Woods and Forests that the
tickets issued to peers should be made non-transferable,
inasmuch as he had invariably found that the space
allotted to peers was filled by strangers.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that souse of the
tickets had already been distributed, and he did not see
how the noe-transfer could be effected.
After a few other remarks the subject dropped.
RATING OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS.
In answer to a question,
The Earl of MALMESBURY said that the business of
the session was too heavy to admit the iutcoduction of a
bill respecting this question during the present session.
THE JEWS IN MOLDAVIA.
Viscount STRATFORD DE REDCLIFFE moved,
according to notice, that copies of the correspondence
should bo supplied relative to the measures adopted
by the Government of the Danubian Principalities
for depriving the Jewish residents in Moldavia
of their landed property. He stated that it appeared that
an edict had been issued by Gratiano, the minister of the
Moldavian States, that all the Jews should be expelled
from their farms, and that the police should rush in upon
the Jews and drive them out like vagabonds. This state
of things had increased in intensity, and the greatest
distress prevailed amongst those people. • All he (the noble
lord) could hope was the decree had not en persevered All in,
but there was an evident persecution going be
forward.
he could say was that if the people and rulers of Mol-
davia, who had been protected by the whole of Europe,
could act in this tyrannical manner against another class
of religionists, must arouse the strongest indignation. He
believed that M. Gratiamo was a man 'of the greatest
liberality, and almost approached to democracy, there-
fore it seemed extraordinary that under his au-
spices such a decree should be issued. The noble
lord then read extracts from the decree which ho had
translated, showing the bad feeling that existed towards
the Jews, and this feeling he could only account for by
supposing that the Moldaviaus were actuated by
jealousy on account of the competition which Judaism
presented to their own religion. He therefore moved for
the humble address to her Majesty above mentioned.
The Earl of DENBIGH could not help expressing his
profound disgust at the treatment which these Jews had
received in Moldavia. He thought that this country ought
to bring all the pressure that could be brought to bear
upon the Government of that country to see that this evil
was remedied.
The Earl of MALMESBURY said that there
was no occasion to discuss the question to-night, because
before he entered the house, he had received her Majesty's
permission to lay those papers upon the table of the house,
and their lordships would hardly discuss the question
until they had read the papers.
The motion was then withdrawn.
RECOVERY OF CERTAIN DEBTS (SCOTLAND)
BLL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
COUNTY TREASURERS' (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was committed and passed.
THE EMPLOYMENT OF VOLUNTEERS.
The Earl DE GREY called the attention of the house
to a recent memorandum in regard to the employment of
volunteers in aid of the civil power. He said he consi
dared that great inconvenience would be experienced in
employing volunteers as auxiliaries in any popular dis-
turbance. It was necessary that some more definite regu-
lations regarding the functions of volunteers should be laid
down than those in the memorandum. It was not safe
that they should allow volunteers armed like soldiers
to go forth to assist the civil power in quelling a tumult.
He could see nothing that was more likely to bring dis-
credit upon the volunteer force.
Lord LONGFORD said that the memorandum stated
that in case of riot, or tumult, the volunteers might be
called upon as special constables, and in cases of tebellion,
or revolution that they might act vi et armis like every
other subject without the presence of the civil power.
The memorandum was merely to explain to the Volunteers
their duty, and the Government had no intention whatever
of calling out the Volunteers without authority. The
memorandum was open to revision, and perhaps that might
be satisfactory.
After some further conversation, in which the Earls
Russell, Cowper, Cardigan, and Ellenborough took part,
the matter dropped.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE having inquired whe-
ther her Majesty's Government had received a decided
answer as to the course which the Spanish Government
intended to pursue with respect to the Tornado, and whe-
ther a tribunal had been specially constituted for the trial
of that ship,
The Earl or MILUESBURY said there was great
diffi-
culty in overcoming that description of passive resistance
the Sp: Wish Government was so clever in practising. The
last despatch received from them had already been pub-
lished, and in the meantime there was no alternative but
to accept their assurances that the case should be tried.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—LAST EVENING.
The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock.
GAME LAWS (IRELAND).
The O'DONOGHUE gave notice that to-morrow he
should ask leave to introduce a bill to amend the Game

Laws in Ireland.
THE ALXBAMA CLAIMS.
Mr. BAXTER asked the Secretary for Foreign Affairs
it any further progress had been made in the negotiations
with the Government of the United States of America re-
garding the Alabama claims, and if the claims made •by
British subjects arising out of the late war exceeded in

amount those on the other side.
Lord STANLEY said he could not say that they were
making rapid progress in the Alabama claims, but nothing
had occurred to lead him to despair of a satisfactory settle-
ment of the matter. But whether the matter was settled
or not, he intended to lay the whole of the papers con-
nected with the matter on the table, as he felt the house
and the country had a right to know what had been done.
With respect to the claims of British subjects arising out
of the late war he could not even give an approximation
of their amount. A certain number of claims had been
sent, but the American Government declined to go into
the matter until the other matter was disposed of ; and
that fact, doubtless, had led many who had similar claims
to keep them back, so that nothing definite could be ascer-
tained in the matter.
CASE OF CAPT. JERVIS.

In reply to Mr. °TWAY,
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said the exact amount given to
Capt. Jervis was £l,BOO, but he could not say it was in
onsequence of the decision of the Simla court martial. It
was paid as a commutation of the subsistence allowance.
The amount was to be paid out of the general revenues of
India, and it was made in accordance with the usual rule
adopted in all cases of officers removed from the army.
THE HYDE PARK REVIEW.
Captain VIVIAN asked the President of the Board of
Works what arrangements had been made for the accom-
modation of the members of both Houses of Parliament
and of the public to see the review in Hyde Park on the
sth of July.
Lard J. MANNERS said each peer would receive two
tickets, and each memb3r of that house would receive a
similar number. Members of the House of Peers would
receive their tickets through the Secretary to the Lord
Chancellor, and members of the House of Commons
through the Sergeant-at-Arms. With respect to
the arrangements, space had been allotted to the
Diplomatic Body, and other distinguished persons ;
also for members of both Houses of Parliament,
igibielk it was .hoped would be ample, as care
would be taken to nrov..t the recurrence of the inconveni-
ence which arose on the last occasion, which was pro-
duced by the circulation of unauthorised tickets, by which
means persons having no right obtained admission to the
space, and thus brought about all the inconvenience that
led to so much complaint. With respect to the seats and
standing places not allotted they would be placed at the
service of the public, but for these the applications
were
t
already very great, and if, as he feared, some must
with disappointment it would be attributed solely to the
limit of the accommodation.
Lord ELCHO said he observed that it was laid down in
the regulations that officers in uniform were to be admitted
within the enclosure, and what he wished .to know was
whether that would apply to the militia, volunteers, and
yeomanry.

Sir J. PAKINGTON said hie privilege would apply to
those officers. (Hoar, hear.)
THE SATURDAY HALF-HOLIDAY.

In reply to Mr. O'REILLY,
Mr. HUNT said it was left to the superior officers of
dep•trtments to arrange for the greatest number of persons
to enjoy tha Saturday half-holiday; but there was no
general order issued on the subject.
MORNING SITTING.

The motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
that tho morning sittings on Tuesdays and Fridays at two
o'clock be continued during the present month was agreed
to, after au amendment had been moved by Mr. Crawford
that on the Speaker resuming the chair it should bot
"count" the house until 10 minutes after nine. The amend-
ment was negatived without a division.
REPRESENTATION OF TOE PEOPLE BILL.

The1;;;;;;;;into committee. The discussion was
resumed on the question that the following clause moved
by Colonel Dyott be added to the bill :—" That any person
possessing a freehold, copyhold, or leasehold prorerty
within the Parliamentary boundary of any borough, and
residing within seven miles thereof, shall be entitled to be
registered as a voter for such borough, and to Note at the
election of a member or members to serve in Parliament
for such borough, in respect of such qualification, and not
for the county in which such borough is situated."
Mr. BAXTER appealed to the hon. and gallant member

year.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said Mr. Howard strongly opposed
the amendment, and Mr. Scourfield was favourable to it,
and remarked that it was not because a similar proposal
had been already fatal to one Reform Bill in the year 1859
that therefore it was to be withdrawn.
Mr. GILPIN said, as the proposal would result in a
wholesale disfranchisement of county voters, he hoped the
house would reject it.
Mr. BRIGHT strongly objected to the proposed clause.
After some discussion, the clause wes negatived.
A clause to check the practice of creating rent-charges
for the purpose of conferring the franchise was proposed
by Mr. Neate and supported by Mr. Gladstone ; but, being
opposed by Mr. Disraeli, it was withdrawn, Mr. Neate pro-
mising to bring it forward again if he received any en-
couragement
The new clause was moved by Mr. CA.NDLISU, to de-
prive all electors of their votes who are employed for rore-
ward at an election as agents, canvassers, messengers,
in similar capacities, and to make it a misdemeanour in the
elector so employed to vote, and in the candidate or agent
who employed him. It was discussed at great length, and
in a more than usually discursive manner. Objection was
taken at the commencement by Mr. Crawford and Mr.
Powell to the inclusion of agents, whose value to a candi-
date did not consist in the single vote they possessed, and
Mr. Gladstone took the same view. Mr. Powell suggested
that the point should be referred to the Select Committee
on the Bribery Bill ; but Sir R. Collier and others replied
that it was out of the scope of that committee, and ulti-
mately the clause was passed with an amendment inserted
by Mr. Neate extending the disqualifying period of em-
ployment to six months before the election, and with the
exclusion of the latter part of the clause, which subjects
the employer to the penalties of a misdemeanour.
Mr. HORSFALL then brought up his clause conferring
a third member on Liverpool, Manchester, and Birming-
ham. In support of it he showed, referring in detail to
the statistics, that in point of population and property
these towns were on a par with, and Liverpool, with whiel,
he was best acquainted, was superior to, the city of Lon-
don, and in intelligence also, ho contended, they had an
equal claim to a larger representation.
Mr. ADDERLEY opposed the clause, arguing that the
principle of representation by numbers on which it was
based was new, and utterly opposed to the old principle
of local representation—that each place should send the
number of members, and insisted that the innovation would
degrade the representation, by making members mere
counters instead of delegates to consult the public good.
The clause, he objected, was proposed with an ultimate
view to the representation of minorities by the multiplica-
tion of unicorn constituencies; and he urged that no town
would be better represented either in its local or general
interests by an increase In the number of its representa-
tives, and that if the amendment were accepted these great
towns ought to.be subdivided, as was proposed in the case
of Glasgow.
Mr. H. LEWIS advocated the claims of Marylebone, on
the ground of population and property, to at least two ad-
ditional members.
Mr. SMOLLETT complained of the resuscitation of a
question already disposed of, and urged the committee not
to convict itself of vacillation by accepting an amendment
which was inconsistent with one of the main principles of
the redistribution scheme—that there should be no uni-
corn constituencies, agreeing with Mr. Adderley, that if
additional members were given to these towns they ought
to be divided. His main objection to the bill was that he
distributed the "mob" constituencies which were about to
be created, and ho apprehended that to increase their mem-
bers would be to make the house more unmanageable.
Mr. GOSCHEN, iu support of the clause, combated the
objection that the members for large towns were over-
whelmed with private business, and argued as they had
more varied Imperial interests to represent than the mem-
bers for small towns, their numbers ought to be increased.
On many subjects, too, the large towns had a separate in-
terest from the small towns ; and as an additional argu-
ment he pointed out that half the borough population was
contained in the large towns of over 150,000 population,
which returned only 31 members.
Mr. SANDFORD replied to Mr. Goschen that he him-
self was a signal proof that it did not require a multiplica-
tion of members to secure the representation of the most
varied interests.
Mr. T. CHAMBERS, taking all the arguments urged
in favour of the clause, showed that they applied with
greater force to the case of the metropolitan boroughs,
and insisted that the acceptance of this amendment by
itself would but increase the anomalies of the present
system.
Mr. BRIGHT argued that it was not mere representa-
tion by debating power that the great towns required, but
in lucre:Led v,,thig poorer 111.00 COMILII,II,Urta. with their
wealth, population, and the greatness of their interests,
and reminding the committee that as it was from these
large towns had come the movement which had brought
Reform to its present position, ho predicted that when
they began to turn their minds to this question of redis-
tribution, the new electors in these great centres, if this
demand were refused, would see that the house had not
dealt justly by them, and would, in the very next Par-
liament, demand that some of the smallest boroughs should
be extinguished and their members added to the great
towns. For the sake of three members he urged it was
unwise to miss a satisfactory settlement.
Mr. BLECROFT explained that he had voted against
I Mr. Laing's amendment, not because he was opposed to
giving a third member to Leeds, but because it was a cri-
tical division, and he did not wish to endanger the passing
of the bill ; and after some observations front the other
member for Leeds, Mr. BAINES, in support of the clause
and its extension to the claim of Leeds,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, replying to
Mr. Bright's argument that the great towns required in-
creased voting power, urged that their interests were not
represented merely by the two members they sent to Par-
liament, but by all the members representing similar inte-
rests—the metropolis, for instance, could command at least
80 members. After touching on the mode in which our
present legislative machinery had adapted itself gradually
to the representation of the varied interests of an empires
and explaining once more the spirit in which the Govern-
ment had drawn up their redistribution scheme, both in
relation to the counties and towns, he repeated his objec-
tions to the accumulation of members, and finally an-
nounced, as a compromise, that Government would accede
to the claim of a third member not only for Liverpool,
Manchester, and Birmingham, but for Leeds, feeling sure
that this waiving of their principle would not be pushed to
an inconvenient extent, but that their scheme for the ade-
quate representation of counties should not be interfered
with —these four seats must be got exclusively from a re-
modelling of the borough schedules of the bill. Salford,
for instance, must yield to Manchester the additional seat
he had proposed to give it (here there wore decided ex-
pressions of disapprobation from the Opposition), and other
boroughs in the schedules would have to submit to a simi-
lar sacrifice.
This concession on the part of the Government called

up
General PEEL, who, avowing that if ho could accept
the franchise in the bill, he should be ready to go to equal
electoral districts, predicted that the whole redistribution
scheme would be swept away by the next Parliament, and
energetically repudiated all responsibility for the measure.
Amid loud cheers from the Opposition, and even from some
of his own party, he declared that three points stood out
conspicuously in these debates—that nothing had less vita-
lity than a " vital point," that nothing was less secure than
a "security," and that nothing was more elastic than the
conscience of a Cabinet Minister.
Mr. GLADSTONE admitted that this was not a ques-
tion between town and county, but between different
classes, and while accepting the concession as a great boon
he warned the Government that the proposal to get these
four seats at the expense of largo towns would not be satis-

factory.
Mr. Neville-Grenville and Mr. H. Berkeley urged the
claim of Bristol to a third member.
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Mrd.epßraivzeleysaainfodrdMorf.
Cheetbam deprecated the proposal
its expected member, and Mr. Serge.aonthGoahsealdeemuardge some
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Government to revert to the suggestion
tiimaiengagasoketd) disfranchisew sst,aotooo.t 0
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the boroughs which were to be eliminated, on which Mr.
hetherte palol boroughs
wuonudledr
Disraeli declined to pledge himself. After some conversa-
tion as to the best mode of procedure, Mr. Sandford post-
poned his amendment that two of the members be taken
from the city, and the Chairman put the question that the
clause be read a second time. There were loud cries of
"Agreed," but several inemb,:rs on the Ministerial benches
persisted in pressing a division, when the clause was car-
riedtheTuheadtjhoiuriamerdeaudnintigl too-fdztthyeatit2aon'welao
by a majority of 231-297 to 63, and the committee
Railway (Guards and Pas-
sengers' Communication) Bill was carried on a division
by 43 to 5.
The other business was disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at a quarter to 2 o'clock.

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arrangements have been made to pay the interest on the
Virginia debt regularly and punctually. Provision, how-
ever, is only made for the payment of 4 per cent. per
annum, West Virginia being considered responsible for
the remaining 2 per cent., and also for one-third of the
principal.
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