The Sun.
London, England, 1803-06-25 00:00:00

HOUSE OF e:'0111MONS.

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The House was isoonoctl by the Spl4mci4 that he had
been in Ole iiOuse .of Pcer3, til,Lit.tlie 'Royal „As,sent was
,f,iven by Cornmisainn to seiiat4l Public autl Priviiic Bills,
w;tich lie stated.

The 'hill fur ex tenclin the limits or the Southern Whale
wai rsacl a2l ecbna thug; 9.t the Motion or Lord
GLe;;1111,JtVII:.

• sip r. 1. it c? 4.: 1- oN bmoght up the Report oft he Pgh-
lanot mr,,,tts P. I. A ineritlmentS heir% read,
Mr Kr t 4 I'4 AIR 7.1 fovea that the name of CitA R. 7.4 3 DU Nr.
rips, Esq. bo adtteillo the Commissioners ti reatrying ilia
Trusts I,eiler intriexecutiyn.
Mc. 0; fi o was sorry to op this Motion, but he
did se on the ground of the number ot. the 'l'nistees haying
peen already lirrtitcrl by the 1-louse.
Mr. I(z:is A tatsnot sec the neeety of limiting the,
dumber of the Coinulissioners Itated by the Hon: thntle.
man; on the contrary,. he thought those for whase'bontfit the
Trusts under this 41111 were to he created, voisld be g;laif or the
good otflecs of they Hun. Gentleman he had done himself the
honour of proposing, neither hail lie done it Rutely (rein re..
spe6t to that Hod. fieritlerrian, but hi'
an, thneedsity of
it, for many of the Ceiltleirien already named in thO 13111
'would be .trhalioittablY absetit'on public duties, • '• •
.'ll3O question wilc 1;4.44 earned.
Mr. i pog•tiotkcx, that ho should niove on
Ittondaynext 'tor a turther sum- of money graniegi to
His M3Jaith 9115efil4CACt` of the Report of the Highland
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Zuryey uonvittleo, 4 1

The Fast:lndia Dock Bill was ercTered to be recommitted
on Monday, on the motion or Sir Fit Ave.; s BARS Ho.
The Horse Hide 13111 was read a third titne_and.passed„
A Mes Sage from the Lards informed the House, their Lor-
dships had agreed to the Bribery Oath Bijl, withoitt any
amendment. _ _

Mr. A Litxa No KR brought up the Reperrof.the Commit-
tee on the Assessed Taxes. The Resolutions were read,
• greed to, and a Bill ordered to be brought in on the last' Re
solution. •
;—" fire Stei ETAit Y at WA, ~moved the Order of the Pay
for the second reading of the Militia Officers Bill.—Read a
6Voand time, and ordered to he committed to a Committee of
the whole Hauseon Monday.
The S reit e'r Aa y at ,W As said, he- propoied bringing
forward the Militia Pay Bill on Tuesday next, and therefore.
he moved, that the Report be taken into further considers.
tion on that day.---.ordered.. •
The CH A NCEILO& of the ExcurQuza mare:l, that there
be laid betbre the House an account of. the Amount of Ex-
chequer Bills made out in the last Session of Parliament, for
raising nine Millions by Loans on Exchequer Bills for (real
Britain, for .oia,3.—Ordefed..
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'LOTTERIES. • ' •
• the CHANCELLOR of the EXCH FQC ER moved
The order of the Day for the House to resolve itself
into 'a Committee of the •whole House to consider
further of Ways and Means for raising a Supply
,ranted to His Majesty.
The House having resolved itself into a Commit.
tee accordingly,
The CHANCELLOR if she EXCHEQUER
said, he. had to.state to the COmmittee the terms on
which he had contracted three Lotteries for the
,Ser.
vice of the present year. It was thought expedi.
-enti tinder the present circumstances, to reduce the
,surn.s to be paid'for Prizes, and also to reduce prop
Tortionably the number of Tickets from that of last
'year. The number last year was 90,000 'rickets,
„with a power,of raising them to 100,000. The ,
:number this year was 70,000, with the power to
increase them to $O,OOO. The contrad had been
.made for three` Lotteries for the Service of Great
and the profits to the Public would be
35, 2,0001. a refit which, under all the circuni.
srancea which
.fte had ;adverted to, would, .4 he
hoped, be deemed sufficient by the Committee, on
the 'part of the Public, He found on • reference.
it somewhat• excerdCd,the profits of Lotteries con.
traded for on the part of *Great 'Britain and '
Ireland, during the last t z years. It was for 70,000
Tickers at 151. a Ticket, but the Party expressed a
wish that the number should be Somoo, and there.:
fore the price was t 31. 31. rd. WhateVer opinion
Might 'be entertained of the expediency of-this mode
of raising money for the'' Public by way of Supply,
he was sure there could be' but one wish as -to one
thing Which had,
.formerly accompanied it, he meant
that of LOw.lnsurance The modeof 'Drawing
adopted-last year obstruCted.Very much that praetice„
Indeed he bAieved he might say, it was almost, if
not-altogether, prevented. The Drawing, however
from its'gre.it rapidity was attended with some con_
fusitm, and therefore Instead of only eight or ten
days being allotted for that purpose, it was 'propos.
ed that, the time; should he softie what extended ; but
the. Committee would learn; with satfsfadion, that.
this Would not produce a renewal of the mischief of
;ow insurance: all the arrangements were similar to
what were adopted last year, and no other alteration
than that which he had already stated. He therefore
moved, That it' is the opiniOn of this Committee,
that 'a sum not exceeding 1,052,3 331: 6s. 83, be
raised by three Lotteries, whereof 7o 1,500. and a
Fran ion be',,for the serViceofEngland, and 350,7791.-
and a Fr alan for Ireland.

The queStion being.put,'
Mr. nelß/NGTON said, he, did not doubt that
the Ministry had made as goo(' a. bargain for the
Public as he could, rind be wished to bear testimony
to the accuracy of the Right Hon.' Gentleman.. Hit
was alsO ready to admit that one, of the great evils
which 'tad attended Lotteries had been done away,
namely,, the practice 'arrow insurance. It was now
either eniitely dune away, or reduced to almost no,
thing; but "still he ObitAt3l to 'the Lottery .altoge-
ther as a system, because it was giving countenance
tea gainbiing, which was a great vice,
.and brought
its train a great -number of moral evils, the cf.
icts of which could not be caleulated. incul-
.cated principles contrary to the commands of the
Alr.lig4iy, and must be .a great evil in a social
stroe,;, it might Suit the' morals of a neighbouring
ruttion, but was: wholly repugnant to ours. He
expatiated much mirage on these topics, and con.
chided with recommendift to the CHANCet.LOR cat
EXCilEitlE it to adopt some other mode of cais.:
oley tor the public service, more suitable to
osit excellent moral charataer, and less injurious
to the morals of the Ptiblie..

The CI-I,INCELLO I? of the' `EXCHEQUEI:
said, he was sure that tihate ver difference of opi.
nion might subsist berWeen the Ron. Gentleman
and him, he. was Fedi:fay ready to do justice to his
motives in the share he Itadt4ken.in the discussion
of this subj„tt, and the lion. Gentleman, as well
as the Committer, ,might be assured, and he hoped
the, Hon, Gendemith would do him the jest ice to
believe, that, if he thought this system Would be.
theineaus of the increase of private vice,. he would
not propose. it. "the truth was, that there were
objedions, the principle of which had been afters
acid amply discussed, and they had been fully an.
swered. It was well known, there was a disposi-
tion which-inclined a considerable number of per..
a.,Sos adventure to-a given extent.. in the tottery,
it was not unworthy the.wistlom of the Legis.
lature to profit by that disposition, and to turn it to
the account of the Public Revenue. There. Would
be no. good to the Public if Government abstained
from this mode of raising money, for this disposi.:,
lion to speculate in. fortune, if not thus indulged,
would take some other turn whieh might produce
some mischief, and the benefit now derived to the
Public would be lost. - Besides this, the Committee
has the admision of the Hon. Gentleman, that the
gteat evil, namely, that of low insurance, was done
away hy.the.measures which had 'been adopted by
Parliament in reiulatini the mode ut drawing. This, he would be bald enough to
.44Y, was doing
away nine-tenths of the-eVils- which had ever at.
tended Lotteries. Ile was, therefore, now aahig
on a principle which 'Parliament had long tecog.:
and acing upOri it after almost 411 the evil
of the praClice linen done away. The Qom:
mittee would cot forget, that 'this systetn was by
nA ,
ineant new,- k4iAt with OA creptitip- of one
yeo6 it bail been followed tot the lasi
30 ;!ears, and that the system itself was as old as
'the reign, ot •Que.en Anne. tinder tt'l- these con'.
siderations, be thought not *that he was justi.

fled in. pursuing ,a system of Lottery, but that he
could not have been justified if he had omitted it,
for it Will not to be forgotten, that if he did nut
pursue this plan,, 35'0,0001. a year must hare been
raised by TaNes. Foi these reasons he begged leave
to persist in his motion. -

,Afro wished..to -enter his protest
against •the recognition of Patliament as a reason
for adopting the measure; if itivas in. itself -a bad -
one; neither was its antiquity any sant-lion:to it, if
bad. If bad, the longer it had been afted upon so
, much the worse. He admitted that the
.great
•of low insurance, had been considerably suppressed,
in ;%vhich there was much merit ; but whether the,
whole practice had been entirely done away. he
doubted very much. He expatiated upon the vice of
gambling, aggravated as it must he when any mea-
sure of Government gave it a sanelion, of the aid of
which he maintained no one could have an adequate
idea who had not seen the wretchedness-which it
produced in a neighbouring country. He admitted,
however, that as the great evil of Lotteries, that
of low insurance, wog done away, there was no
period, since the systeM of the Lottery was adopt-
ed, in which arguments against its continuance
were of less force than they were at, the present
moment. Still he wished it to be understood that
a principle of gambling, which was the principle of.
a Lottery, was one which it was'nor Wise in a State
to cherish.
Mr. WILBERFORCE Omitted that the mea,
sures which Government had taken to preVent low
insurances in the Lottery were much to be ap-
proved, because the good
,they did was very great,
and for which he begged leave.to'return to them his
thanks ; but notwithstanding this he could not for.
bear saying he thought the, whole system Of 'iLot-
te-ry injurious to a' State, because injurious to mo-
rals. He thought it brought with it an encourage-
ment to a spirit of gambling, which .was certainly
most injurious in every view that could be taken of
it, holding forth, as it were 4 an inducement to vice'
in the first instance, and an encouragement to in.
formers to dete6 it, in the second. •-

. VANS/7741a' answered all. the ohicrva.
tions of the two lion. Gentlemen who 'spGke last.
He observed, that the main evils pf a Lottery arose
from the-:kft they had on the lower orders of the
peor:v, I were almost entice)), removed by two
regulationi; . one; was to put an end to the minure
subdivision of Tickets, and rite Other-, to put an end
to low 'insurances, of both which he gave a succial
history, and defended the Motion before the Com-
mittee, ••

Mr. COARY assured the Committee, from his
personal experience, that the plan adopted for
drawing the Lottery, by which insurance was pre-
vented, had the most salutary effeet in Ireland.
The Question was then put and carried. The
House being resumed, the Report was ordered to
be received on Monday next,
Sir H. M LDMAY asked the CHANC Loa of
the. ExcncQuEß which of the two important
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matters was to be, discussed on Monday, sinie he
was aware they could not both, the Tax on Pro-
perty, or the Bill of the Army of Reserve ?

The aIIeiNCRLLOR of the EXCILEQPER
said, he thought the Bill for raising the Army of
keserve was the most important and pressing in
point of time, and therefore he thought it advisable
to gi‘4 it precedence. Accordingly he moved, that
the Order of, the Day on the Real Property Bill
shOuld-be deferred to Tuesday, and the Personal td
Wenesday next, which was ordered accordingly:.