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ferred,. it was ones he thought, into which inquiry
,should be instituted at a proper time. Its conse-
quence of the line ofcondua adopted by Ministers.
for the last 18 months, for some time past, their
responsibility was great beyond all former precedent,
inasmuch as they had afforded 'no aatisfaaory in-
formation to Parliament, nor explained any part of
their condat whatever: They had seen measures
&one and undone, adopted and altered, and Par-
liament called.upon to vote large• Estimates, merely
on grounds of supposed notoriety. Ministers and the
Country were now so circurastanced, that he wish- ,
e 4 it might not be said with truth, that those with
whom he acted, had done any thing tending to
throw difficulties in their way ; there 'would be fu-
ture opportunities for discussion, and: on these
grounds it -was that he requested his NOble Friend
to withdraw his Moti6n for the present.
The Earl of CARLISLE, in a few words, ex-.
pressed his acquiescence in the proposition of his
Ntible Friend, but at the, same time observed, that
no well-founded objeEtions had been offered against
•
cord PELHAM expressed his .opinion, that
Motion like that in question should not, be agreed to,
except distina and adequate 'reasons were assigned
for its adoption, and specific grounds urged- for go-
ing into the inquiries alluded to. He perfettlY
agreed in what had fallen from his Noble Friend, that
nothing had been suggested,by. the Noble Earl, in
reference•to the Naval Department, that constituted
suflicient ground for inquiry ; he should not, there-
fore, at present enter into that line of discussion.
With respea to the point of which so much had been
said,, the •conduCt of Ministers, that, with a re-
ference to the peculiar circumstances of the Coon.
try, Svould at a proper period be a fair ground for.
• inquiry. Bur it was the cOosolation of His Ma_.
jesty'a present Ministers, that -with a reference to
the existing circumstances of the Country, their
condua bad been such, as they conceived to be most
conducive to the honour and the interests, of the
Nation.- On that ground it had been satisfattory
to themselves, and had been., sanClioned by Parlia-
ment ; in that line of condo& theY would persevere,'
nor would they be drawn from it by any taunts
which may be thrown out against them. With re-
speet to Motions of such a nature as the present,
he expressed his hole: that the House would .not
countenance a sudden investigation at any time,.
without 'adequate grounds being previously as.
signed.
Lod GRENrILLE in explanation observed,
:that IVlinisters could-not consistently be said to rely' •
on the.confidence of ParliaMent and the Country ; as
they uniformly withheld all knowledge and infor-
illation whereby either could rightly judge of their
condo& They had gone on arming and diSarming,
without condescending to let the Public know the
circumstances which warranted such contradiaory •
••
and opposite measures..
Lord HOB ART, in reply, observed, that it was
with Parliament alone to draw such conclusions;
the conduct of which, had plainly indicated how
far it approved of the conduct- of Ministers. Since
their accession to,OlEce two very. great 'and impor.
rant political measures had been completed, namely,
the Peace with the Northern Powers, 'and the sub-
sequent Peace vs ids France. The- unanimous aPpro.:
'ration which both thesetheasures met with was un-
preCedented in the annals of Parliament.
Lord GRENVILLE shortly observed, that there
circumstances had no application whatever to the
points in question,, which referred only to the con.
duet of Ministers during. the last 18 'months.
The, Earl of CARL Ist. a spoke Shortly irl farther
explanation.
The LORD CHANCELLOR- quitted the Wool
Sack, and after noticing the tenor of the Motion,
'observed that the Noble Earl's ten Plaining. that. no
reasons were given, why the ,Motion should not be
agreed to, appeared to him a little extraordinary, as
Ire had always understood, that when Motions of
that kind were made, it was necessary that some
reasons should be given for their adoption. , The
subsequent conduit of the Noble Earl appeared to him
to be equally extraordinary. After having proposed
the Motion without assigning any reason why it
should be adopted, he'noVe contents himself with
withdrawing it, because he had beard no reasons fort
rejeCti?ns. The Noble and Learned Lord then pro.
.ceeded to enforce the objeaions offered by the, Peers
on the Ministerial Bench, and added that the Noble
Earl had rather inconsistently asserted the objeft of
the Motion to be for the curreetion of evils, without
condescending to state what those evils were. 'His •
Lordship then proceeded successfully to cbudiat the
general assertions made by the Peers in tOpoosition,
argued the inconsistency 'of their conduft, on their
own principles, in judging- the conduCt of Mini.
sters, previously to the institution of those in.
quirks they .so loudly called tor:
The question was, then put, on a proposal from
the Noble Earl (Cmt LISLE) • for withdrawing this
Motion, and agreed to.
Several Bills, mostly of a private or local de.
scription wereohan brought up limp the Cosinons,...
and read a first time, after which their Lordships
adjourned till to-morrow.

HOWE OF COIII.II,iNS.

MONDAY, MARCH 21.

THE Bill for regulating the Offices of Surveyor.
General of His Majesty's Forests, was road a se.
coed time and comnitttett for to.tnorrotv,

LORD GLENDIRVI P moved for leave to bring iu
n Bill, for allowing in the Greenland_
Fishery to complete the full. number of men, in
certain Ports in the North. Seas.—Leave given.
,Sir F. BURDETT said, he felt it his duty
to address the House on the merits of the Pancras
Bill, and the manner it• had been prepared, and
brought into the Howe, before he should come to
the particular object of his Address ; the Parish of
Saint Pancras consisted of seven thousand inhabi_
tants, but it so happened, that a few persons who
had formed themselves into a seled Vestry, had
considered it pettedly justifiable to prepare the
till now before the House, contrary co the vnval
wish, and cort,currence of the major part i,)f the
inhabitants. Several public meetings had bcFn
wherein the wisdom of the Bill had been discussed,
and not above an hundred inhabitants out of near

the con.trary the Bill had niet with the disapproba;
don of almost every inhabitant, in the parish ;
hovever, as the, Bill hall beep brought into the
House, it was now his duty, and the business of
the Committee to investigate its merits, but he
wished for further time to be granted, in order to
give him and others an opportunity of considering
many parts of it, as they at present appeared. to him
objeetionable. He. therefore moved, that-the. Corn,
mittee appointed to sit to-morrow on the Bill in
question should be postponed to the 3oth of this
month.

beluestion being put,
Mr. ALEXANDER *laid a few words in favour of

the Bill.

Mr. DENT • said, be thought time enough bad
been ~.allowed for the consideration of the Bill, and
the present motion only appeared to him as a Tea.
'Mire to' get rid of it.
Mr; HURST, and 'several other Members said a
feW words on the question, and Sir FRANcrs re.
pealed his remarks on the impropriety of preparing
the Bill without the concurrence of a Public
Vestry.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw and
the House divided ; •
For the question . 38
• Against 40
After some preliminary remarks, Mr. tOYD
moved, that a Committee' be appointed to intuire
into so much of the Elefflon Trial MI, as relates to
the employment of persons skilled in the art of
writing short hand, to take the evidence adduced
before such Committees ; that they do consider of
the expence occasioned thereby, and' the means 'by
which they shall he paid ; and tbat they do report
tbe' same, as it shall appear to them, to the House.
Ordered, and that such Members as have served,
and are now serving upon Elation Committees, be
of, thiS Committee. •

The Clergy Non-Residence Bill was read a second
time, and committed for to-morrow.

A Message• from the Lords stated, that they bad
agreed to several Bills without any amendment.
Mr. Iltvir!a. presented several Accounts, which
were ordered to lie on the Table.

The MAsTEx of the RoLts gave notice of a Mo-
tion for leave io bring in a Bill to exempt Rdman
Catholics from taking any Oaths but the Oath of
Allegiance ; and to entitle them to'the benefit of.
the Liith of His present Majesty.
EAST INDIA ACCOUNTS.

The Report of the Committee on Eastandia Ac.
counts was taken into further. consideration, The
Resolutions were all read and agreed to, without
any observation being made on any of them, except
the last ; and the question being put upon which,
Mr. FRANCIS said,
,he thought it proper, for
the staisfaßion of the House, to explain what
was meant by the word; I false,' as applied to
the Indian Accounts now before Parliament ;
and in doing this, he hoped every Gentleman
would put that liberal construaion on the in.

. _
tended applidatiop of the word, as was really
meant, by the uses of it. When he,,used the word
false,' as applying to the accounts before the Home,
he did not mean to accuse any Hon." Gentleman of
neltiltibe
having com
~ .:: least aptrthat would stain
his honour: lie a-d
only used it to,convcy this
meanings that the accounts which had been offered
to Parliament were incorteet; and, therefore, to ex.
press his.opinioti of tho'se accounts, he had called
them false—a_ word used and. well : understood in

,Lngic, which is, not of personal application,but on.
•
ly expresses the inaccuraey,of a position or Statement.
He could assure every Gentleman present, that ha had
no intention 'to apply the word in any, other way
than as 'explained by him. He understood of. the
Noble Lord who had laid the India Papers before
the House, that the Legislature was to guarantee
the stack of the India Company, to the amount of
millions 'of money, with other eircumstanees con-
neFled With' the Company, .which had not in'his
irind been clearly laid before the House ; the negled
of which, 'and inaccuracy of the accounts, were the
objects of his complaint,
THEOPHILUS METCALF said, every
Member in that House had a right to investigate
the Papers now before the9i.relative to the Affairs
of India, but no Gentleman should go so far as to
say,: that the East India,Company had taken any
'measure to conceal any part of their Accounts,
with an intention to deceive 'Parliament. If. the
Hon. Gentleman thought the Accounts weretise,
it was his duty to bring, the business before the
House in a, regular way. The article alluded to by
the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. FaAwqrs), he had taken
every Method to explain on a former occasion, and
had pointed out to the Home, in the clearest pos-
sible way, bow the money had been applied, and
every circumstance connected with the article which
'has been the objetl of comment by that Finn. Gen-
tleman. He said, he was aware that publishing the
Debates in Parliament,was contrary to the Privileges
of the House ; however, on that subjea he should
not dwell, but he could not but make an observer.
lion on a Paragraph--in one of the Public PrintS,.
which, inhis'Mind, appeared something like a TEA
and intended to have some weight with the Public
relative to the .question now under discussion ; but
he ,could assure the House and ahe Hon. Gentleman,
that the Company's accounts would hear a minuet
investigation, and convince
:those Gentlemen who
may feel' inclined to. examine them, of the justice
and 'honour of the East India CoMpany, and'that
the, affairs of the Company were in a better. state by
a million or two 'than they had been. Mr. MET.
CALEB theo requested the Clerk to read the Journal
of the House with repei.l to.the sum of r 2 millions
alluded to by' the Hon. Gentleman. [After the'
Clerk had read the record) he -declared that there
was a' balance in,,fa your ot the Company of upwards
of two Millions, notwithstanding they have. had
many heavy dilEcultiea.to struggle with, 'and which
must alwayti attend them during 'a War. The Hun.
Gentleman then went over several parts of the ac,
counts,he had:on 'a former occasion entered at large
into, which,, he said, most be clear to any Gentle-
man who would take the trouble to give them a
minute consideration.

Lard C.O774tHREAGII Said- the laSt cifentleman
had, in his rain 4, given so clear 4t statement of the
fads, that it was unnecessary for him to trespass oft
the atteptiop.of the House a tt4u.te, but he thought