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NEWSPAPER

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THE CHURCH-RAT '
s Yesterday afternoon a deputatiol ,ko nibs i_ of
members of parliament and others, waited; on the
Earl of Derby, the First Lord of the Treasury, at
his official residence is Downing-street, in depre-
cation of the bill new before the House of Commons, i's,ll
introduced by Sir John Trelawny, for the abolition c2e
of church rates.
The Duke of MARLBOROUGH introduced the ta
deputation, and in doing so said he bad under- :d
taken to place before his lordship the object of the
deputation, which he would not trouble him with T
reading through. He then handed in the state- 1".
mrhe law
eir J. nt what,aTnordfetihaawaeindeyo,auth)nawttrasy,and
was asked by the bill
a serious
contendedradica
thatchangethere eirile
was no real grievance to justify such a change. fla
The Earl of DERBY said he hardly knew what it
was that they wished him to reply to on the subject
which they had brought before him. He felt sure "
none of them could have any doubt as to his wish
to support and uphold the Established Church. •
(Hear.) Therefore he saw no reason why the rate
should not be continued, as he agreed with time
who had addressed him that it was necessary to
maintain the right of the Established Church. He
intended to pursue the same course with regard to
church-rates as hitherto, unless he saw a Relation
which might be adopted without sacrificing the main
principle. He believed the feeling was that both
parties agreed in refusing to accept anything like a
compromise ; one party will have it as at present,
while another would have nothing less than its
entire abolition. He should not, therefore, depart
from his present course until he had laid down a
solution which woull not sacrifice the main prin-
ciple of the question, but which would finally put
an end to the struggle. He believed the feeling
in the House of Commons was in favour of the
abolition of the rate, and if he remembered rightly
the second reading of the bill introduced by- Sir J.
Trelawny was carried by a large majority. (Mr.
Knott stated the number to be 53.) He could have
wished that the bill should not go into ..ommittee,
but it would now do so, and then it would unfortu-
nately be added to those gnostic ns that pass one
house without passing the other. It was true, he
be,ieved, that in many parishes the rate was
collected without any difficulty ; but it was opposed
by a fa w vexatious individuals, and in some cases
the minority contrived successfully to defeat the
majority. He repeated that he saw no such solution
at present as he should think tit to adopt, and until
he saw some such solution he should continue to
oppose any measure for the abolition of the rate
which he did not think was justifiable.
The Duke of MARLBOROUGH said the deputation
only wanted his lordship to repudiate any attempt
that would affect the rights of the established
church.

[PRICE 4D. STAMPED 5D .1

the end of Ibis or the following week. It was proposed
to introduce it in the liOnse bf Lords.

MILITIA OFFICERS.

Captain O'CONNELL asked the Secretary for War
whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Govern-
ment to give any allowance to the medical officers and
subalterns of the militia regiments which they intend to
disembody, and whether it was the intention of her
Majesty's Government to make any change in the
relative rank of the regimental captains and of the
adjutants of the militia regiments, so as to affect the
seniority of the former over the latter ; and, if so,
whether he would explain the reasons for such a change.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
he bad received a note from General Peel stating that
each subaltern on disembodiment would receive an
allowance equal to six months' pay, and the surgeons,
and assistant-surgeons, equal to one year. Paymasters
would receive their pay for three months after the dis-
embodiment of the regiment, and an allowance of three
months' pay on the last day of that payment. The case
of the other officers had not been brought under General
Peel's notice.
NEW ZEALAND LOAN.
Sir J. TRELAWNY asked the Secretary for the
Colonies, whether he had received any information con-
tradicting the statement made to the late New Zealand
Loan Guarantee Committee, that the idea of accepting
200,0001, instead of 500,000/. was distinctly negatived
by the House of Representatives ; and, whether it was
not in fact true that the case of ony obtaining 200,000/.
was carefully provided for in a formal resolution ?
Lord STANLEY said he had examined the minutes
of the House of Representatives of New Zealand, and he
found a resolution was passed by them, providing for the
contingency of a loan of only 200,0001. being granted,
and bore date July 2, 1856. In ans wer to the first part
of the question the hon. member had not quoted with
perfect, accuracy the evidence of the witness to which the
question referred. The question limiting the loan to
200,000/. raised in the legislature was strictly ne-
gatived.

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The Earl of DERBY wished to know if it bad ever
occurred to any of the members of the deputation
to adopt a system of voluntary commutation of
clime(' rates, to give permission to parishes to buy.
the rate, or, in other words, to give power to land-
holders to (barge their estates with a certain sum
annually to meet that object. He believed that if
an) thing of that kind could be worked it would
form the basis of a good principle.
The Duke of MIELBOROUII raid that in the
parish of Marylebone the late was merged into the
poor rate. He believed it came to about ld. in the
pound. That was obtained by a local act.
The Earl of DERBY—You will not find it easy, I
think, to get such an act now.
Mr. PACKE, M.P., said he had very great plea-
sure in hearing from Lord Derby a suggestion for
the voluntary commutation of church-rates. He
should hare great ccnfidence in its success if the
ii b!e lord at the bead cf the Government would
give it the weight of his intluen•ial position.
The Earl of DERBY reminded the deputation that
what he said was merely a suggestion.
Viscount DUNGANNON said, what the deputation
wanted was that the bill introduced by Sir J. Tre-
velyan should be thrown out.
Tile Earl of DERBY said, in reply, that no doubt
it would be thrown out, Lut nut in the House of
Commons, if his knowledge of that house was
COrrfe%

After some further eonversation, the deputation
retired.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

NEWMARKET FIRST SPRING HEFTING.
MONDAY.

The QUEEN'S PLATE, d 100 guineas, for mares; 4-year-
ol le, Bst. 91b. ; 5-yt ar-old., 9st. Slb. ; 6-year-olds and
aged, 10st. R.C. (3 nines 4 furlongs 139 yards.)
Lt-,rd Cltfden's Melissi, 5 yrs, 9.t. 81b. (A. Day) ... 1
Mr. Delay's Renown, 4 yrs, B.t. 91b (Alderoft) ... 2
Mr. C. Snewing's Pole Star, 6 yr?, 10st. (J. Goats!) 3
B tting-5 to 4 agst Melissa, 7 to 4 (at first sto 4)
agst Pole Star, 4 to 1 agst Renown.

Won cleverly by a length ; two lengths between the
second and third.

SWEEPSTAKES of 50 sovs each for foals of 1855—niaree
that never bred a winner. Colts, Bt. 71b. ; fillies,
Bst. 3!b. Certain allosvancee. A. F. (1 wile 2 fur-
longs 73 yards.) 5 subs.
Lord Derby's Tox %pholite, Bst. 41b. (Flatman) ... 1
Lord Glasgow's Maid of Masbatn filly Bst. (Alder( ft) 2
Lord Exeter's Mountain Nymph, 84.31 b. (Furdhan3) 3

Betting-10 to 1 on Tosopholite, who won by 20
lengths. Mountain Nymph was beaten off.
Handicap Plate of 50 sous. R. M. (1 mile 17 yards.)
Lord Glasgow's colt by Hernandez Physalis, 4
yn, 7st 21b (Challoner) 1
Lord Clifden's Indulgence, 5 yrs, 63t 101 b (Bray) 2
Mr. Gibbs's Young Hopeful, 4 yrs, 63t (Perry) 8
Tee following also ran :—KeNtr.l, Pitapat, Noisette,
Van Dunelc, The Poacher, Nougat, Harry Stanley,
Flying Duke, Bannockburn, and Soldanella.
Betting.-4 to 1 agst Indulgence, sto 1 agst The
Physalis c3lt, 8 to 1 agst The Poacher, 8 to 1 eget any
other (offered).

Won by a bead ; three lengths between the second and
tAtird ; Pitapat WM a bad fourth, and Van Dunck was
fifth.

Plate of 50 sow., for 3-yr-olds and upwards. The win-
ner to be sold for 200 soya., if demanded, &c.
lowancee, if entered to be sold for less. D.M. (7 fur-
long. 201 yards.)
The Duke of Bedford's gelding by Tadmor—Oasis, 3
yes (401 ), Sat 111 b (Carter) 1
Mr. G. S. Ford's filly by the Libel, or Harkaway—
Miss Betsy, 3 yrs (40/.), sst 111 b (Ckalloner) 2
Mr. G. Gurney's Regius Professor, aged (2001.),
(Harrison) 3
Betting-7 to 4on the Oasis gelding, who won by a
neck ; very bad third.
The winner was claimed.
Handicap Sweepstakes of 20 sove each, h ft, for 3-yr-
olds. D.M. (7 fur. 201 yde.)

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Mr. Mills's Pensioner, 7st 2lb (Pritchard) 1
Duke of Bedford's Pavilion, Bst (E Sharpe) 2
Lord Ribblesdale's Bridal Tour, Bst 31b....(Fordkam) 3
Lord GlaQgow's Physalis filly, 7st (Challoner) 4
Betting-2 to 1 agst Pavilion, sto 2 agst Pensioner,
3 to 1 agst Bridal Tour.

Won -by a Beck ; a head between the second 11 n d
third, bad fourth.

Handicap Sweepstakes of 20 soya each. T.Y.C.
Indulgence
Killegrew
Brother to Bird-on-the-Wing (5 yrs)
Four ran. Won by a neck.

Sweepstakes of 10 Sovs. each. T.Y.C.
Greenwich Fair 1
Filly by Hero out of Dart.
Mit chief Maker 3

Three ran.

Won easily.

Sweepstakes of 100 Sovs, each. D.I.
Ignoramus
Commotion
Saunterer
Three ran. Won by a length.

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