The Sun.
London, England, 1858-07-09 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

After some discussion, in which the toll system gene-
rally was very strongly condemned by hon. members on
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THE HOP DULY.
Sir J. SHELLEY' called the attention of the Clian-
cellor of the Exchequer " to that portion of the second
report of the commissioners of Inland Revenue relat-
GOovreetrhnemmen°tiw"oufl')dr
ing to hops in which reference is made to the minutes
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of proceedings of the Hop Duty Committee which sat
last year, and a presumption expressed by the said
commissioners as to the opinion which that committee
wadi ul'imately have reported to the house, although
Lord The
mEaLtCiotnlowasmowvite
presented to her M3jesty, praying she will be graciously
pleased to issue a Royal C..mmission, to inquire and re-
port how far it may be desirable and practicable to sub •
struts an equi-able eystem of assessment in lieu of tee
present mode of maintaining the public roads in Scot-
laud by tolls and statute :lab cur."
Mr. WALPOLE said the Lord A•!vocate was in
fe"ur of the issue of a 1i,.; al Commiasion, and he
asked the noble lord to allow t;,,e amendment to be
negatived, that he (Mr. Walpole) align. °°°Blll‘ the in-
tended Lord Advocate on the subject.
Sir E. COLEBROOKE was favourable to t'oe main-
tenance of the roads in Scotland by an equitable aeoss-
meet instead of by tolls.
Mr. IL HERBERT said the spawn of assessment '
instead of tolls had been found to work well in Ireland.
Mr. BLACKBURN said the interests of Scotland
and England were so intimately connected that the
commissioners ought to have powers to examine into
the question of tolls on turnpike roads in England Al
well as in Saotlend.
both sides of the house,
no report was made by the committee." 111 condemned
the heavy ainouut of the hop duty, and raid that he
was afraid if the hop-growers of inferior sorts were
not blessed with a blight—(laughter)—this year, they
would be obliged to have their hops destroyed from
being unable to pay the duty, owing to the deprecia-
tion in price large crops would produce.
After some remarks from Mr. KNISUT and Mr. B.
Horo,
Mr LOCKE (Southwark), as a member of a com-
mittee who sat on this subject, said he believed the
committee, if polled, would nave been adverse to the
abolition of the duty. The committee were of opinion
that the sooner the hop growers of Sussex ',bat up
shop as growers of hops the better. It was impossible
for them to produce the superior qualities of hops,
and in consequence they had been sufLrers.
The subject dropped.
THE PURIFICATION OF THE THAMES.

Mr. COX moved the following resolution :—" That
this house is of opinion that the cost of the purification
of the river Thame', in the vicinity of the metropolis,
sbould be borne by the Consolidsted Fund and the
metropolitan ratepayers in equal proportions." He
said 93. in the pound of the coal tax. impoved for tee
improvement, of the metreplis, Was appropriated I!),
the Government to purposes of their 04), and that
fact alone entitled the metropolitan ratepayers to some
consideration in this matter. He charged the Govern-
ment with being the first cause of the nuisance, 1
from having sanctioned the scheme for emptying the
sewage of the metropolis daily into the Thamas. Re
referred to what had been done by the Metropolitan
Board of Works and the Chief Commissioner of Works
with reference to the drainage and sewage of the metro-
polis, and asked the houss to agree to his motion.
General THOMPSON seconded the motion. This
was a case in which the whole community ought to
assist the metropolis.
Mr. BENTINCK opposed the motion. Upon every
ground it was to the interest uf the metropolis and the
duty of the inhabitants to carry out their own, improve-
% 'aunts and unitary regulations without calling upon the

country to pay for them. If the metropolis was visited
with pestilence the inhabitants would be losers. Every
stranger who visited London paid his fair share of local
taxation during his stay here.
Sir G. C. LEWIS opposed the motion. The term
of the proposal was contrary to the forms of the house,
and the principle involved in the motion was objection-
able. He asked the house not to discuss the subject
then, but wait till the Government had brought forward
a measure on the subject, as promised. He defended
the clnrse pur ued by the late Government with re-
ference to the drainage seheme proposed by the Metro-
politan Board of Works.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE asked if the hon. mover of the
resolution was wrong in point of form. A portion of the
expense of the metropolitan police force was paid out of
the consolidated fund, and he saw no reason why the
consolidated fund should not contribute towards re•
moving the stench of the metropolis.
The SPEAKER said there were precedents for the
course now pursued. It would, however, lead to no
prac'ical result ; for, if the motion was agreed to, the
question of charge must be commenced de noro, sub-
ject to the forms which the house had directed to be
pursued on money questions.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
it would be better to withdraw the motion. It was the
intention of her Majesty's Government to in'rodnce a
bill on an early day next week for the purification of the
Thames. (Hear, hear.) The house would then have a
lezitimate opportunity for entering into a discussion of
the sill j-et.
Mr. GLADSTONE concurred in the suggestion of
the Chance for of the Excheqxer.
Mr M‘M.AHON considered it was desirable the house
should then express an opinion on the subject, because
many hon. members would have to leave London next
week to attend the assizes. If the country at large was
to contribsite towards the purification of the Thames,
for the convenience of the legislature, it would be better
for Paliament to assemble in Dublin—(laughter)—where
they would be well received—(laughter)—or Oxford, or
Edinburgh. or bill t a new house in II Ide Park.
Mr. BLACKBURN hoped the hou,e would negative
the motion. The metropolis ought to cleanse itself.
Sir J. SL ELLEY thought the motion should be
postponed till after the introduction of the proposed Go-
vernment measure.
A. discussion ensued, in which Mr. Smith, Mr. Clay,
Lord J. Manners and Mr. Cox took part. The latter
gentle:nan was prepaared to accede to tbo suggestion,
but the house would not permit the withdrawal of the
motion.
On the motion being pu!.,

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Mr. W. WILLIAMS rose to order.
The motion %sae then pot and negatived without a

division.

SCIENCE AND Ala.

Mr. BLAKE called the attention of the house to the
injudicious course pursued by the departments of scieree
and art, in diminishing, in some instances, the allow-
ance to provincial schools, before art instruction bad be-
come sufficiently appreciated in such localities as to run
der the schools independent of Government aid for their
maintenance.
Mr. ADDERLEY said it vtonld have been better if
the hon. member had waited till the first vote of supply
was before the house whiel had reference to the que.tien.
The large grant of money to the m-itrtlpolis was for the
country through the metropoli., in providing travelling
museums, instractiow, &c. fie was surprised at an
Irish member complaining on this bead, for Ireland de-
rived greater benefits from the grants than the rest of
the empire.
After a few words from Mr. CONINGUAIf,
The subject dropped.
SUPPLY—SCHOOLS OF DESIGN

The house then went into committ.-e of supply.
On the vote of 73,730/. for the department of science
and art.
Mr. B. HOPE complained of the manner in which
onr museum,' for the promotion of science and art were
conducted, and urged that, if the school of design was
to flourish, tho department should be more centrally
situated than at South Kensineon.
Mr. BLAKE moved that 52 3501. of the vote be dir-
allowe
After clnsiderasle discussion the bon, member wilh-
drew his amendment, and the vote was not agreed to
when
The house suspended its sittingp.
The house resumed at 6 o'clock.
(LEFT SITTING.)