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IMPERIAL PA.LIL.I44,IIEAU.

HOUSE
.OF PEERS.

INtUNESDAY, •MAY 11.

Covwsta. were heard relatiVe to. the Scotch Ali..
peal, the Carson Company v. Ogilvie, .tamely, Mr.
CI, ARK E, Itl Cotitind+ttion, on the p.ttt of the Ap_
pellants, and Mr. Au Am, as leading Counsel fur
the ,ReSplntent. At er which the' further hearing
was:adjourned till Friday.
On-the Motion of the Earl of RAD Nbi. the Com- ,
'rnittee of Privileges was ordered to sit to-morrow.
; Lord AUCKLAND having moved for the-produe.
lion of an Account of the. 'Net Permanent Revenue,
far as it had been made up, the same was accord..
ingly pretented by
.Mr. HERR' ES, frOm the Trea.
bury ; and certain Accounts, relative to.the EXcise,
were ordered to he laid before the House on the Mu.,
tion of hit, Lordship.
Lord Ha BART presented the Order of Council
prohibitory of the Exportation of Pig.lron and
Warlike .Stores, for the COast of Africa, except
suclf'as might be requisite for the Service orthe Bri-
tish Garrisons, &c. in those parts.
Ordered to li4 on the Table.
The Bills upon the Table were forwarded in their
several stages.
Lord C R I GTON observed, that being of
opinion the Nottingham EleOion Bill should pass
with aim eorivenient expedition', it was his inten-
tion to have moved for its second reading, had he
seen a Noble Lord, who appeared to .interest
self on the occasion, in his place. He then- gave
Notice, that he should, so we understood his Lurd.
Ships move for its, second reading on Friday.
After,transAti-Og some private business, their
Lordships adjourned till to.morrow.

110 USE OP COMMONS.

wFuNESDAY, MAY

Camel B WELL rose, and stated to the House,
•
that an order was made out, on the zd. of March
bast, to have laid before the HoUse, by the Clerks
of the Peace for the different Counties of Leland,
an 'account of all the Freeholders of sol. 4til. and
Os. 'in that Country, collcdively ; but as that
rder had not been obeyed,, he sh,old now move,
that the Clerks of the Peace far the different Coun.
ties of Ireland be ordered to lay before the House
the returns of the number of Freeholders in their
respedi v e Counties; whieh, after
.a shun conver.
talon, was' ordered.
Mr. FITZGERALD said, that 'there was a Bill
upon the Table in thisliouse, which contained pro,
vprons of More extensive' utility than he had.et,er
seen in a Bill of a similar kind, and he wished that
those provisions shciuld be extended to Ireland,
which might be ;done by the insertion of a few
words, when ilte Bill was in a Committee, which
he should prefer doing, to that of bringing in a
separate Bill. The 818 he alluded to was lot 'pre.
veining frivolou-; and vexatious Arrests. If it was
Jegnlar, be would move that it he read a first time.
The Hill wai then read a first time,, and ordered
to be real a seeor,d time tomorrow.
The Scotch Schooliilastersi was read a second
time, and committed to it Sclett Committee.
Lord CASTLEAFAGH, moved the Order of the
Dayl for the third reading of the East India Com-
pany Vobinteers
. The Bill was then read;a third time and parsed.

Mr. V4ltstr-rAwr moved 10 postpone the ,Cain.
irittce of the. Me.dieine Duty I ill to Friday next.--

Tin! Silver Bullion Exportation Bill was read a
teco.t.A. tune,
,and o;..ioreti it) be committed to a
Committee of the syboie House on Frits)? next.
The Lunatic Estate Bill was read at third time,
and pat,hed,
. The HOur,e Went, into a, Committee on the Irish
Courts of Law Bill.,—Sever,ll verb,ll alterations
verve provoed to be aside in the ditTcrent.clans6,
vvhielt proditQed short conversation between Mr.
s and ,everal order :Members, alter which the
cl4t,w,es: were tigr:ed to,
Tire only clituse rim( recopied much time in the
Committee, %%IA that which grants •tt coalpensition
tint euceeiiing, 30001. to persons holding offices dui..
plcasOre in the Court of Exchequer in Ireland.
14r. LEt sul.ported the clause, and urged several
4rsuments_ to proves that those Gentlemen who,
would'Eutter, by the. operation' of the present Bill,
ought to have a compensation for din loss of in.
come, which would be likely to ensue this Bill
ohutild pass into a law.,
Aker a few observations from LlrtlDuxt.ow
,and Mr. Fvrpsta4i,r),

Mr. GREY saiil, he could not subscribe to the
elaOse under consideration, as there appeared to
him an inC4isistency between the other-parts of the
• Bill and !he chase in question. The Bill had fca
Its ollied the abolition of many abuses -which have
long existed in the Court of Exchequer, and to
prevem the evils complained of, it gives a proceis
en the Courts of King's Bench and Common' Fleas,
which at present belorigt;ii exclusively to.the Ex.
.cliegiter ; .yet the Ililt coutaiotd it Clause to grant a
compensation to those -persons who have received
great hene6ls, from the abwes.this goes to de.
awl', :At any rate, those persons who were to
receive the henefits.of. this clause, -should only re.
gain them whilst they held no other office Of equal
or superior value.
1llr.111:4GGE said, that those persons who held
offices in the Court. of Exchequer in Ireland, 'did
pot derive the advantrig6., for the 1051 of which it
*,;,8 proposed to grant them compensAtion from any
uhttieti in that C9ttrt, but trout the operation of sin
Adi of the Iriqh Parliament, passed -twenty years
pg.,, by means of which a great additional v./mil
hUillltts thrown into the Court of Exchequer,
which hy• the Opepition of, the present litli would
'would be taken from it, It was therefore but
air to grant those Officers, a compensation for the
-Vases. willich • they would in. consequence 'Swain'. •

FOX ogreet) with his Hon. Friend (Nit%
Gik vy), and ebherved that the Bill proved that
wa4 a faulry ...:onstitution with regrita to the
I;;:nirr of fNeitreper in belmi, and went to alum'
it. The lv.inos of th,it Court would, by the ore:
ration of the Bi,t, be lebt,ty.d • but it
,t

- . -
if the number of suits were dimirlitihed its anyVourt,
from atiy 'accident:o cau:ies, that the Officers who.
derived fees from thp3e suits had .'right 10 detband'
compensation. If the number of critnes were tole di.
Ginished, it would be extremely ext raord i Ira ry yi the
aoler and the Hangm:ni were to demand compensa-
tion
.for thediminutiOn ot their fees. It appeared
tventy years ago!, a Bill passed through the Irish
Parliament, which went to remove same of the busi.
ness of 'Courts of King's-Bench and -Common
Pleas to the Court ot Exchequer, yet no compen.
S3dOn ‘va asked for, or .given to the Officets of
either of the former Courts ; be thought the• prin.
CiPie a ita.i nnel and Therefore sliotfal not give the
Bill .his support. • •
The-CLI,INCE4LOR of he EXVIEQUER said,
it was not a claim of right set up by, the Officers,
but an appeal' to the generosity of the House for
some coillpensation for the loss of fees by the opc_
ration of the present • Bill,. which they had enjoyed
by the operation of an Mt' of the Irish Parliament,
In that point of view he thought they were fairly
entitled- to some compensation.
After a ;few -observations' from My. K INNAIRD
and Mr. TIERNEY, the Chiuse, as amended, was
agreed to, and the House having resumed, the
Report Was ordered to be brought up to-morrow,.
A message from the Lords stated, that they had
agreed to a private Bill without•any amendment.
The CIIANCELLOR of the E*CII%.QUER brought
up,-by command of His MAjesty, copies of certain
orders of Council, prohibiting the exportation of
Naval Stcres, which were ordered to lie on the Table.

Lord TEMPLE moved that they shimid be printed.
—Ord e red.

Loan TrArrLE gave notice that he should move
tomorrow for certain papers relative to the expor-
tation of Nav'al Stores, if certain circumstances
took dace, as he supposed they would.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that that part of the King's Speech v'hich related
to granting greater facilities to mercantile transac-
tions, should be taken into consideration on Mon.
day next.—Ordered.
The Cornmir•tees of Supply and Ways and Means
were postponed to Fridoy.
Sir WILLIAM SCOTT moved the Ordpr of the
Day for resuming a Committee on the Clergymen's
Residrnce

The House !raving rcsoli,e4 itself into the Corn.
mittee, the Clause was read respeding the state.
ment robe made by Elie Clergyman cm applying for
leave of absence, and upon the' Licence to be
granted by the Bishop. It waS' contended by Ms..
RMNE and Mr. D. RYD2R, that although there
was no ground toisuppose that in this case the
shop would a t with.any partiality, yet to prevent
all possibility of suspicion, it Would be better if the
Licence of the BiNlcolt should contain so much of the
statement of the Clergyman a wotild show the
ground upon which the Licence was granted.

Sir IV. SCOTT said, he had intedded to insert
a provision of that kind in the Bill, but it was acci-
dentally omitted; bot he would propose an Amend,
ment to that dred,'which he did, and it was agreed
to.

On that part of the Clause which authotizes the
Bishop to permit a Clergyman to- reside in xnoth'er
house, if the Parsonage.house was unfit int
residence, .

Mr. R4INE said, he was apprehensive that aim
wo&d.operate as an inducement to Clergymen to
Wilk& their parsonage-hauses, which would be a
seriow, injury.

Sir ir.scorr. said, there was no reason to ap.
prebend that the 'Bishop would grant the Licence,
unless there was good ground for it. In makirq;
this provision, his objed was to provide for cases
where the parsonage-bouse was not only unfit for
the risid•nc., of the Clergyman, but could not be
made fit for him by any' money that could be laid
out upon it. This was frequently the case, parti.
cularly lo London. A Case occurred a. feW years
ago, whore an aetinn was brought against the
elergyinao.of the Parish of Bow fur
,not residing
in the parsur3ge.liouse, whereas, in fa& it was
so small, Ow it was totally unfit for his residence,
and was only calculated for its present Tenant, who
is, ttn apple-woinan. The Clergyman was coin.
pellet! An pay the penalties. Another Case came
within his knowledge. 'A. Clergyman, who had a
tolerable .good parsoriage.house near. London, but
the ground. Close to it was ocCupied, two or three
nights in' the week by cattle going to Smithfield
market ; so that,'• on • those, nights, neither the
-Clergyman nor any of his family could„ get 'any
rest, f•om the noise' O the brutes, and of the still
greater Urines that drove them.
Air. BURTON proposed as an amendment, that
one tw t+icrh'Vart of the profits of Livings: should
be set a,i,ie for the purpose of keeping .the parson-
age h,cuse* in-repair. ,
This' amendment was opposed by. time CH N.cE L-
LQ R of the Fxcirntigtt,'Sir J. Nicitot,%., and Dr.
LAWittxt,:i. • " •
Sir VV. Poi.ii*N. said a few words.

liflS E thought that s4ine.provision should
he made io the Rill for'reporting to the Bishop the
state and condition of tie Parsonage I louses in which
the incumbent did not reside ; there were many
eonveniencies for want of this power ;, this teas not
an imaginary ease—he knew of many cases in which
Clergymen resided in houses of their own when
they fwd. Parsonage Houses.
Mr, G t LES said a few words.

Mr. BURTON sold,- • there -were thousand in.
stances, i 0 which the parsonage Houses -were totally
unlit for the residence of a Clergyman. The Bishop
might hjy, authority to ,order, but he cOuld ,not
have viand power to elforce; the improvement of
the P.irsonage House ; ;nutty of the dcfeits might
have been froin the negligence of the late ineutn.;
bent, and- by his &mit there might be no re
tnedy, and some of the Parsonage Hots-8 might, be
in so tuinoui a.state, that no repair would do, awl
it might he absolutely necessary 10 rebuild. He
had endeavoured, as much
.as po.tshle, u provide
scum.- mules!), against these houses Oar startled se.
pair from becoming worse) by sio3ii •
part -of he iocoine of the iueurnlient to try th.
thein, it was_ true that this might, in ina.iy
be inconvenient to Clergyrnen; for the:incomes
.
matly of thew were .yiqy small ; and nothinwoold

some remedy to this inconvenience : but that was
not the question_ .nOw. before the Committee. Ile
did not propene this' Amendment y way'of a posi-
tive good, btu as the lesser of two evils. The
taking any part of ft small .ineame from a Clew.-
tom was an evil, but the suffering dilapidations in
the Pa'rsonage Houses was a greater evil.
Mr. 'WIND 11,411 thought it desirable that facility
should not he afforded to the non.residence of Cler-
gymen, nor excuses easily taken. The Bill should
he so-framed as to render it difficult, or at least not
to rendet it easy, for the Bishop to grant dispensa.
Lion from ,the residence of Incumbents.

Mr. 1141VKINS BROWNE thought that the Bill
should specify what constituted unfitness in a house
for the residence of an Incumbent. He approved
of the proposed Clause of his Learned Friend, for.
setting aside a small part of the Income towards
Repairs.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL wished to meet the
ideas of muss Gentlemen upon this matter, and for
that purpose proposed an Amendment providing,that,
the Licence of the Bishop for not residing in the
Parsonage House, should be on such terms and con_
ditinns, in resPeA to provision for Building and
Repairing, as to the Bishop' shall seem reasonable.

Mr. BURTOiVdoubted whether this discretion to
he given to the Bishop, was not rather too large, it
being almost unbounded. However, he'had no great
objettiOn to it ; he thought some treasure to pro-
vide for the repaitti of the Parsonage; House, ought
to be adopted, and if the Comnutted-did not ap-
prove of his clause for appropriating . a small part,
perhaps a twentieth of the income of the incum-
bent for that purpose, he,should vote for the amend-
ment of Ms Hon. and learned Friend.
Mr. WINDHAM said a few words. •

Sir W. SCO7T opposed the amendinent, on the
ground that this was an alteration of the Law, upon
point not now properly before the Committee, and
expressed a hope that some general law might be made
to provide expressly for building ari,l keeping in re-
vairall Parsonage HOuses whatever---with respell to
repairing many of them, so as to make them fit for
the resioence of a Clergyman, it ssas
because they were not of sufficient dimensions,
neither could the 'ground adjoining to them be pur.
chased out,bf the income of the clergymen they be-
longed to,. That was mast remarkably the case in
the city of London, where the average of the in.
cornea beneficed Clergymen, was not above :501.
per annum.

The ATTORNEY GENERAL supported his
Amendment, by arguing that it it was an alteration
in, the Law, it,,was an alteration growing Out Of the
Bill now before the Committee, which was itself an
alteration, and' that it did not compel the Bishop to
impose any terms when he granted his licence for
non.resi&oce, but only empowered the Bishop to
inipoe relans if he thought fir ; nor was this any
halt!! hid, on the. Clergy, fur the Bishop had a power
by Lew, t his licence altogether.
'1 M,ist s, aof the Rot Ls opposed the Amend-

The Dehate prnco.e(led for a considerable time,
L ut the su'Aj-::-.1 ,)ren so often b,:fore the Pub,
we sblit nuten,cr i: to a detail of it.

Mr. ATTORNEY GENERAL, and
Mr. Di CK. INS f•upported the Atneudynent.
.PuCto'r I_,AmktNee„ Mr. GRE,(3OR, we under-
stood, :Or. sciii.)r, Vir. Stir NCV.II.
STA NHOPe, and Sir R. BEntrc.):4 were against the
owendinetit,

r. IVI thought upon the whole it.
was best to leave the matter-of the amendment for
some general anti large provision by itself,. and,
therefore, , although he approved of • much of the
reasoning with which the ATTORNEY GE IERAL
had supported the amendment, lie should now vote
against it.

At hallpast nine o'clock the Committee diviaea :
For the amendment Is I it 42

.
Strangers were.not afterwards adiniited ; but we
understand that the Chairman reported -prOgrcis,
and asked leave to sit main to morrow.
Adjourned at twelve o'clock.

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