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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

NEW PEER.

Lord CLYDE took the oaths and his seat as a peer of the
realm. The noble lord was introduced by the Duke of
Argyll and Lord Longford.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Burnham Tidal Harbour and Railway, London,
Chatham, and Dover Railway (Metropolitan Extension)
Bills, were read a third time and passed.

MAYNOOTH.
Viscount DUNGANNON presented a petition against
the Maynooth College Bill. The petition prayed that as
£30,000 had been granted lately to the college, no further
steps be taken with respect to the bill.
THE CHANCERY COMMISSION.

Lord ST. LEONARDS gave notice that on Friday next
he should call the attention of the house to the report of
the Chancery Commissioners.
THE SOUTH-WESTERN RAILWAY.

The Earl of lIALMESBURY again brought on the sub-
ject of the arrangement of the South-Western Railway to
construct a double line of rails from Dorchester to
Southampton when the receipts reached a certain amount.
The noble earl contended that the company had repudiated
the agreement they had entered into, and it was their duty
to show that their receipts had not for three years in suc-
cession reached the sum agreed upon. He hoped the
Government would urge upon the Board of Trade the
necessity of compelling the South-Western directors to
carry out the agreement in all its integrity.
Earl GRANVILLE, who spoke in a very indistinct
manner, was understood to defend the conduct of the direc-
tors, and to state that there was no legal complaint against
the company. They were bound by the Act of Parliament
to construct a.double line of rails when their receipts reached

a certain sum, but the sum Shad never yet been reached.
Some months ago a very careful examination of the ac-
counts took place, when it was found the sum had not
been reached. The subject was now in course of negotiation
between the company and theßoard of Trade, and interviews
between the directors and the president of that department
would take place next Thursday, and until that time no-
thing could be done. He must, however, inform the noble
earl opposite that the authorities of the Board of Trade felt
they had no ground of complaint against the directors of the
South-Western Railway Company. He felt certain that in
the e vent of the company seeing it was for the public good
that the double line should be laid down it would be done,but

as far as compelling them to do so against their inclination,
the Government had no power.
After a few words from Lord WYNFORD,
Lord STANLEY of A LDERLEY said he thought no
one had a right to complain: of the conduct of the South-
Western Railway Company, until it had been clearly
shown their receipts had amounted to the sum agreed upon
for the eonstruction of the deub!e line, and they had re-
fused to carry out the provisions of their act of Parliament.
The Earl of MALMESBURY rose, but was met with
loud cries of " Order, order."
The LORD CHANCELLOR said there was no ques-
tion before the house, and the clerk at the table proceeded
to read the orders of the day.
AFFAIRS OF ITALY.

The Marquis of NORMANBY then rose to move for
copies or extracts from the despatches from her Majesty's
Minister in Tuscany in 1855, 1856, and 1857, referring to
the cendition and administration of the Roman States. He
said it was not in consequence of any initiative of his that
this subject was now brought before their lordships ; but
an hon. member of the other House of Parliament had
moved for certain despatches which were addressed to him
(Lord Normanby) when he was Minister at Florence, by
the secretary of Legation, at that time unofficially residing
at Rome. He had no doubt that the hon. gentleman's
intention was to show upon undoubted authority that the
allegations of the continual misgovernment of Rome were
exaggerated, and with that view the hon. gentleman
could not have taken a better course than to rely upon the
great powers of observation of his friend Mr. Lyons,
guided as they were by an accurate and impartial spirit.
But there was another question, distinct from that one,
although equally important, which was involved in the
papers he now moved for. That question was, what effect
upon the character and influence of this country might be
produced by this sort of Ministerial assertions of alleged
facts which were vented with somewhat of levity, and
which Europe afterwards seemed to combine in declaring to
be unfounded. The declaration which was made in 1856
by the noble lord then and now at the head of her Majesty's
Government in favour of the Roman republic of 1849 had
within the last few months been made the subject of much
comment by several eminent French publicists, in a way
that was much to be regretted. He would now briefly ex-
plain the character and substance of the papers for which
he moved, as showing the effect of that declaration, At

that time Mr. Lyons was residing at Rome, entirely in an
unrecognised position, and any diplomatic affairs to be
transacted there must have been referred to the minister at
Florence ; but in order that he (the Marquis of Normanby)
might co-operate advantageously with Mr. Lyons, it was
necessary that there should be no doubt in the minds of those
who administered the Roman Government as to the object
which the English Government had in view, and they

should be assured that the object which the English Govern-
ment sought was the amelioration, not the overthrow, of the
Roman institutions ; in short, that it was reform, and not
revolution. When, therefore, he (Lord Norrnanby) found
that high ministerial authority had made the impression in
Italy that we sympathised with the cause of revolution he
felt that the efforts of Mr. Lyons and himself were baffled.
Everyone who read the papers he now referred to would see
that very soon after the first interview of Mr. Lyons with
the minister of the Papal Government in May, 1856, some-
thing unpropitious occurred. Mr. Lyons saw Cardinal An-
tonelli on the 6th May, when he had to communicate to him,
on the part of hi s noble frlend opposite (the Earl of Clarendon)
his impression as to what had passed at the Congress of Paris.
No doubt Mr. Lyons executed that task with great tact, and,

in obedience to his instructions, brought forward the subject
in the most mild and moderate tone ; and no doubt he was
heard with the most courteous attention. But at that time

neither Mr. Lyons nor Cardinal Antonelli was aware of the
declaration made by the Prime Minister of England on the 6th
of that month, that " Rome had never been better governed
than during the absence of the Pope." It could hardly be sup-
posed that, in using such a phrase in public, some allusion
was not made to the very peculiar circumstances under
which that absence took place. The absence of the Pope

from Rome at that period, in 1848 and 1849; was caused by

the murder of MR constitutional minister on the steps of the
National Assembly. He (Lord Normanby) well remem-

bored the effect produced at Paris, when that assassination
was announced in the French Constituent Assembly. Even
M. Bixio, an Italian and a revolutionist, expressed his hor-
ror and indignation. Such were the circumstances under
which the Pope left Rome ; yet that event had met with the
approbation, as it seemed, of at least one of her Majesty's
ministers. However, Mr. Lyons did not again see Cardinal
Antonelli until the 24th of that month, May, 1856. He then
stated that the excitement had been much increased by what
had passed in the British Parliament. Mr. Lyons soon found
the effect of it. On the 30th, when Cardinal Antonelli again
saw 31 r. Lyons, his tone was completely different. Mr. Lyons
stateel in his despatch that "on my endeavour to bring to acle-
finitc issue the question whether or not the papal government
within a reasonable time, would or could undertake to adopt
any reforms at all, the cardinal became almost entirely si-
lent." It was, therefore, not unfair to suppose that the
cardinal's silence was the result of the communication to

him of what had passed in England. At the same time he
(Lord Normanby) was himself endeavouring to obtain from
the Papal Government concessions of a similar chaMeter.
He had had some interviews with a friend of his, not offi-
cially connected with Rome, but having great influence
there, and he had then had every reason to suppose that a
favourable consideration would be given to what he (Lord
Normanby) had always thought the most important point

to belurged, namely, that the Consulta of Finance should
have a deliberative voice. But when he again addressed
his friend on the subject the reply was, " How can we ex-
pect these reforms when the head of your Government holds
up as a model for imitation a system which we believe to b•
inconsistent with the security of life and property ?"
Such was the effect caused by that declaration in

Parliament of the noble lord at the head of the
Government. Now he (the Marquis of Normanby) happened
to be her Majesty's minister at Paris in 1849, and he re-
ceived from M. Drouyn de I'Huys, the French Minister of
Foreign Affairs, and from M. de Tocqueville, who suc-
ceeded him, a communication of all the documents which
bore on the conduct of the French expedition to Rome, and
showing not only the exemplary behaviour of the French
troops in Rome, but the real character of the Government
which had been overthown there. Within the last few
days his own recollection of the matter had been confirmed
by M. Drouyn de I'Huys, whom he had consulted on the
subject. The result of a close investigation made by the
French Government at that time was communicated not
only to all the foreign ambassadors at Paris, but brought
to England by M. Drouyn de l'Huys when he was
appointed ambassador here, and also communicated
to the noble earl opposite (Earl Granville). He
(the Marquis of Normanby), had therefore every reason
t,oB‘.'plaese that any illusion which the noble viscount
kr itactston) niio-Ti.t have entertained in 1819 as to the real
character of that7upublic had been dispelled. But to his
ast •
(fluslinlent •
, seven years after that, in 1856, those illu-
sions
seemed to have been revived with increased force. He
(Lord Norma
the noble viscount
had had no personal communication with
(Lordut efor some time, having accepted from his
noble friend
the pest of ;intim) under Lord Aberdeen's Go-
vernment,mister at Florence. But he had
groat
witnessed the very
conduct
created all over the con-
tinent of Europe by the
with reference to those
etr transactions.
her Majesty's Govern-
mentunwar-
rantable statement made by the noble Viscount had been
. The
re-
flected upon in foreign putlications
of
extraordinary
merit, and M. de Montalc'a ibert,
than whom literary
there was no
more sincere supporter of II nglish institutions, had thought
fit in his introduction to a wt irkirkonthe Pontifical Sovereignty
(by the Bishop of Orleans) it ) comment very strongly on that
flagrant abuse of speech b: r the Prime Minister of England.
And M. de Tocqueville, rho was peculiarly liberal in hia
opinions, and whohad no , share in the origin of the ,

expedition, and whom he saw almost every day in that
year, expressed his astonishment at the manner in which

Lord Palmerston had expressed his disbelief of such a mass
of fedi as wore brought before him, and still considered as
worthy of his praise the Roman republic, which WAS defi-
cient in all the first duties of a good Government. He could
only say in conclusion, that he submitted his motion to the
house on the simple ground that the papers already pre-
sented to Parliament did not give an accurate impression of
the truth, and by the omission of any allusion to this inci-
dent would create an impression unjust alike to Mr. Lyons
himself and the Roman Government, inasmuch as there
would remain no trace of the fact that it was a consequence
of a natural feeling of irritation arising from what they
deemed an insult that they were less disposed to listen in
time to any suggestions for a favourable consideration of
the administration of the affairs of the Roman republic.
The noble lord concluded by proposing his motion for the
production of despatches.
Lord WODEHOUSE said there would be no objection to
giving the papers, but their lordships were perhaps not suf-
ficiently aware that the circumstances to which his noble
friend referred did not occur in the present year or last
year, but in 1849, and that the speech of Lord Palmerston
was delivered in 1856. These matters had nothing to do
with the political events of the present day. His noble

friend said that these matters had some connexion with the
despatches of Mr. Lyons, but he was quite at a loss to dis-
cover such connexion. The motion would lead their lord-
ships to suppose that it had reference to a large mass of
correspondence, but it in fact only included two despatches
which related exclusively to the speech delivered by Lord
Palmerston in 1856. He would not weary their lordships
by going into an explanation of what took place in 1849
and 1856 ; but he might mention that the statement of
Lord Palmerston was based on the official reports of her
Majesty's consul at Rome. The noble marquis said that
being at Paris he knew what was the real state of things at
Rome better than the British consul ; but when the papers
were laid before the house their lordships would be able
to form a correct opinion upon that point.
After a few words from the Marquis of NORMANBY in
reply the return was agreed to.
COAST OF AFRICA, &c., ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
This bill went through committee pro forma, and was re-
ported with amendments.
CROWN DEBTS AND JUDGMENT BILL.
This bill passed through committee. '
The following bills were advanced a stage without dis-
cussion :—Smithfield Markets, &c. (committee) ; Prisons,
Scotland (committee) ; Registration of Births, Ste., Scot-
land (third reading) ; Title to Lands, Scotland (report of
amendments) ; Conjugal Rights, Scotland (committee) ;
Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Act Amendment (com-
mittee) ; Highways South Wales Bill ; Manchester Cathe-
dral Church ; Felony and Misdemeanour ; Postage (Army
and Navy).
The Party Emblems (Ireland) Bill passed through com-
mittee.

Medical Act Amendment (1858) ; Highway Rates Act
Continuance Bills were read a third time and passed.
The Police and Towns Improvement (Scotland) Aci
Amendment Bill passed through committee.
COUNTY CORONER'S BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATES BILL.

After a short discussion, in which the Lord Chancellor,
Lord Dungannon, Lord Stanley of Alderley, and Lord
Chelmsford took part,
The LORD CHANCELLOR put the question that the
standing order be suspended, and declared that the non-
contents had it.
The bill was consequently lost.
The house adjourned at ten minutes to eight o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Forest of Dean Central Railway (No. 2) Bill was
read a third time and passed, and the Duke of Norfolk's
Estate Bill was read a second time.
On the motion of Mr. C. FORSTER, the following was
agreed to :—" That standing orders 89, 170, anal 204 be
suspended ; and that it be an instruction to the committee
of selection, that they have power to appoint the committee
on the Caithness Roads (No. 2) Bill, with leave to the com-
mittee to sit and proceed to-morrow; that the evidence on
the Caithness Roads Bill of this session be referred to th•
committee."