The Sun.
London, England, 1858-07-13 00:00:00

Marvin, the officer appointed to inquire into the Weedon
establishment, did, immediately on his arrival at Wee- '
don, order an addition of 10 clerks to the clothing esta-
blishment at that station I
General PEEL said that no doubt the question had
been put in consequence of a statement of the gallant
colonel (Boldero) the member for Chippenham on a for-
mer occasion. The statement to a certain extent was
true, bat inaccurate in other respects. 74,000, and not
175,000 pairs of boots had been sold since the late war,
none of them had been re-purchased and received back
into stores, or reissued to the troops, but portions of
them had been re-purchased by the colonels of militia
and issued to the men, who were very well satisfied with
them. (Hear.) With regard to the addition of 10 clerks
in the clothing department, Capt. Marvin found on bis
arrival at Weedon that an additional ten clerks had been
ordered for that department, so that it was not correct
to say Captain Marvin ordered the addition.
Colonel BOLDERO said he made his statement on
the evidence that had been laid before the house. He
proceeded to read Mr. Howell's evidence that the loss
to the country by the sales was 24. 6d. per pair, when
he was stopped on a point of order.
TELEGRAPHIC COMMUNICATION WITH
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Mr. BRADY asked the Secretary for the Treasury
the following question :—" If it be the intention of the
Government to take into its consideration the proposi•
tion of establishing a submarine telegraphic line of com-
munication, as suggested by Mr. Sergeant Glover, and
sanctioned by concessions from the Governments of
neighbouring States, from Plymouth to Cape Rocco,
near Lisbon, thence to Gibraltar and Malta, where it
will join the established line from Malta to Corfu, en
route to India."
The CHANCELLOR of The EXCHEQUER said it
was not the intention of her .MajeAy'a Government to
take into their consideration tile suggestion referred to.
Her Majesty's Government had nearly completed their
arrangements for carrying into cilact a plan which they
thought preferable to the other.
HARBOUR WORKS IN TUB ISLE 07 MAN.
Mr. TURNER asked the First Lord of the Admi-
ralty what impediments existed wly./ch prevented the
execution of the various proposed hai•bour works in the
Isle of Man, as approved by the Tynwald Court on the
19th day of March, 157 ?
Sir J. PAKINGTON, who was inau liblc, was under-
stood to say that in one case delay had occurred in con-
seqaence of the plans being disproved of by the Admi-
ralty, but that the other delays rested witb the parties
themselves.
Mr. HADFIELD asked the Attorney-General whe-
ther he intended to bring in a bill next session of Par-
liament to relieve trustees from the severity of the pre-
sent laws, affecting them in the discharge of their duties
under the instruments empowering them ?
S:r F. KELLY considered it was not desirablelor
him to offer an opinion on the subject, or pledge fret
Majesty's Government to introduce a bill during th,e
sitting of the commissioners on the sabject.
_ THE BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

Mr. A. SMITH asked if the understanding that
opposed business should not be taken after 12 o'clock
was to be adhered to ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the understanding referred to was for the general
advantage of the house ; but of course it was open to
modification, when it was the prevalent opinion of the
, n ae^4r~linni'l ereeeeded with
after 12 o'clock. Witty respect to the particular motion
referred to on Friday night, it was not to be supposed
that when a Minister of the Crown proposed by the in-
troduction of a bill to carry out an award made by a
learned judge it would come under the category of op-
posed business. (Hear.) And that was his reason for
bringing the subject forward after 12 o'clock on Friday
night.
Sir DE L. EVANS asked the Secretary of State for
War whether there was any objection to lay on the
table of the house a copy of any report which might have
been made by the superintendent of the carriage depart-
ment or ether authority at Woolwich, of the result of
the late trial of Bray's improved traction engine, as
applicable to the conveyance of heavy siege artillery I
General PEEL said he had no objection to lay the
report referred to on the table of the house.
THE MASSACRE AT JEDDAH.
Mr. LIDDELL asked the Under Secretary for
Foreign Affairs if the attention of her Majesty's Go-
vernment had been directed to the report of the massacre
of English and French at Jeddah, and if so what steps
had been taken in reference to it ? (Hear, hear.)
Mr. S. FITZGERALD said the hon. gentleman had
received no other information on the tragic and unfor-
tunate subject than was known to hon. members and the
public through the inedium of the telegram referred to.
He had no doubt the story would be found to be too true
—(hear, hear)—and immediately on the receipt of the
telegram referred to the noble lord at the head of the
Foreign Department sent:a telegraphic communication to
Malta, in anticipation of the snivel there of the Indian
mails, with instructions to the commander of the Cyclops
to proceed to Suez and on to Jeddah, and to use every
means in his power to bring the perpetrators of this ter-
rible outrage to justice. (Hear, hear.) Captain Watson,
of the Indian squadron, bad also been sent to to send two
of his vessels to co-operate in every way possible with tie
captain of the Cyclops, and to use forcible and aggressive
measures if necessary to attain that object.
THE SLAVE TRADE.
On the motion for going into committee of supply,
Mr. HUTT called the attention of the house to the
report of the committees on the slave trade in 1848 and.
1849 ; and to move, " That it is expedient to discon-
tinue the practice of authorising her Majesty's ships
to visit and search vessels under foreign flags, with a
view of suppressing the traffic in slaves." The hon.
member referred to a similar motion he introduced
to the notice of the house about eight years' since,
which was negatived by a large majority. Since
that time he had not troubled the house' on the
subject, but he thought the time had now arrived
when be might with propriety return to the sub-
ject. They had now had eight years additional
experience, and the repeated attempts at suppression of
the slave trade by an armed force had brought their
usual results with them. He believed public opinion
had greatly changed within these few years, and he con-
sidered that many hon, members who were members of
this house in 1850, and then opposed him, had commu—
nicated to him their intention of expressing regret at the
course they then teak, and of their determination of
amending their conduct in that respect if they could get
an opportunity. (Hear, and laughter.) His object on
the present occasion was not to embarrass her Majes
ty's Government, er place them in a critical position
by calling upon them to adopt a particular plan for the
suppression of the slave trade, but to elicit a discussion
on the subject for their future guidance. The hon. mem-
ber proceeded to argue that an armed force could not
suppress the slave trade, but that, on the contrary, it
aggravated its evils, whilst at the same time it constant'y
brought this country into a very difficult and delicate
position with America and France relative to the right
of search.. In support of his views the hon. member
quoted from the report of the slave trade commission at
Havana, which went to show that the slave trade in
Cuba was never in greater activity than now. (Hear.)
Mr. Burke, in his letter to Mr. Pitt, said the slave trade
could only be put down by the countries who imported
slaves, and not by an armed force. It was impossible,
so long as there was a market and the high price of slaves
continued, to suppress slavery. The hon. member quoted
the opinion of Capt. Hamilton, Sir C. Hotham, Commo-
dore Anson, Mr. Bandineld, Sir S. Lushington,
and Sir F. Buxton, in favour of his views, and
referied to the large meeting against slavery held
in Exeter-halt in 1851, in which the noble lord the mem-
ber for the city of London took part, and the result of
the accumulated testimony he had quoted was that our
system of suppression by the intervention of an armed
foroehad failed. He wished it had done nothing but failed
—but was the house really aware of what was now going
on on thecoast of Africa ? He believed not, for if they
and the country did, he felt satisfied they would not rest
quiet until the thing was put an end to. (Hear, bear.)
He also quoted the late Duke of Wellington's statement
to the Congress of Verona in 1822, that armed interven-
tion relative to the slave trade augmented its evils.
(Hear, hear.) If that were the case then, it was tenfold
more true now. (Hear, bear.) The hon. member then
graphically and feelingly described the horrors of the
slaves when confined in baracoons previous to embarka-
tion, the dangers of embarkation; and the horrors of the
middle passage, and added that Mr. Bandineld estimated
the loss by deaths, from disease, hunger, thirst, and
fatigue, at 25 per cent., and Sir E. F. Buxten at :Ja per
cent,, for which the house and the country were respon-
sible from not having put an end to the horrible system.
(Llear, hem.) Ile nixt referred to the difficulties this,
country had been. placed. ;with America and France
arising from the right of search, which, he said, the
Maintenance of an armed force had created. Oar system
had done no good; on the contrary, it wal largely pro-
ductiveof evil, and therefore he would put it to the
house earnestly but respectfully whether such a system
ought to be continued.
Mr, CARDW ELL said the motion of hie hon. friend
was not a motion for the withdrawal of the squadron
fione the coast of Africa, but it wanted the House of
Ouaimons,to pass a resolution which would have the
effect of fettering the hands of Government as to the in-
atruetions which they should give to the commanders
of that squadron. Now, that was a proposition which
be did not think the house was likely to adopt. His
non. friend had reminded them what was instituted some
years ago with respect to the efficacy of the squadron ;
he bad told them a great deal of the committee of which
his was chairman, but he told them nothing of the com-
mittee of the other Rouse of Parliament, which at the
same time conducted a similar inquiry,-and which, upon
fuller evidence, had come to an exactly opposite conclu-
sion. What makes the distinction between the reports
of the two committees ? Why, the committee of the
House of Lords unanimotedy expressed that the
squadron had not been ineffectual in putting down
We slave trade, on the contrary that it had cleared
2,000 miles of the African coast from the accursed
traffic. Well, and what was the result of the investio,a-
thin of the other house of Parliament ? Why, after ear.
nbetly debatirg the question—after day by day keenly
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testing the point at issue-- -it was determined by the
casting. vote of his hon. friend (Mr. Hutt) to adopt the
report which he presented. Well, but how was that re-
port received by the house ? Why, by a very large ma-
jority it was determined to throw over the report. So
that if the hoc. member referred to his committee, be
(Mr. Cardwell) would -refer from the committee to the
decision of the house. But what was the grand vaticina-
tfon of the report ? Why, that to put down the slave
&ride with Brazil was a hopeless undertaking. It was in
1850 that this debate about the hopelessness of putting
down the slave trade with Brazil took place ; and what
had become of that: very trade before the year 1851 had
citesed ? Why, it was entirely wiped out. Yee, fortified
by the resolution of the house in the preceding year, the
Government. of the day sent .ont instructions to the
squadron of the c vast to act with becoming vigour ; and