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London, England, 1804-04-19 00:00:00

iMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS,

WEDNESDAY, APRIL IS.

MR. ROMILY was heard for the Appellants, :in
the Appeal from the Court of Session in Scotland,
John Hooter-, E*q. of Semitiff artd the --Tack-gmeri
of hi,4,saltltor, Fishings -oil -the River Tay, against
the Earl of
...Kinn9ul,_ and_others,
_Proprietors of
Salmon Fishing& in ilreqtiier-Yay...--Ptrgtporieil--tiii-

Iv'looday. - •
On • the Motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, the
lodgment of the' COnft—of Session irf.the Appeal
Elhinsiorie Fleming against Abercromhy, was ;IT.
6r 6).M. _ _

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On the Order being moved fur the third reading
of the •

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VOLUN'TEBk BILL,

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,1.4t40 EN F14.4E rose, and apialogized to their
for the necessity That. he felt !lin:tie/C0::
deril trespassing on Their time, while he repeated.
the argumeots he ha.d. urged last night against the
Clatite..which had,been proposed by a Noble Baron.
(Lord AUCKL.AN‘DI, on an -opposite. Bench, and.
w hich had been adopted' by the. House, and, incor-
porated with the Bill now before thern„._ He meant
to allude to that Clause whickenatis, that in future
all Roles and Regulations for Volunteer Corps should
be.transmitted-by the Commanding Officer to the
Lord-Lieuteriant'of the County, and by him,. if he •
should approve of the same, to the SECRE ARY Of
STATE; for fli4Majeciy).s.avvrobation. It was his in.
tention to move, that that Clause be expunged froti.
the Bill; not because he wholly disapproved of• it,,
btit beeause it did mit, to his mind,. sufficiently
meet:,theevil it was.intended to check and.counier.
aft.-.---It-must be in the rtcolleeiion of-Noble Lords,
that so far baCk as 'November last, ..thitl'Houie had
been- unanimous, he . believed,, in- -conticatnin the
ra6kci .of. Committees in Volunteer Corps, and of
repelling that•dangerous and. monstrous proposition,
'that i7en With. arms in their hands, should ever
e c'onver'ted into deliberative bodies. It wits
cesAary• for him .twenter anew into the feelings of
feastAiis, whkh induced that House to a general-
disapprobation of. that principle, which, if once
tOleratect, there was anend to the COnstitntion.--,
That worst- ofall species of Government, a military
One, was the natural and inevitable result :of such
a prifiCiple, and Military Governments, sooner or
Jaw, as it.was well proved'hy reference to histOrical
fad, invariably terminated in despotism. To guard
against the possibility of the establishment of a
principle so anomalous, to the .praaice of 'our free
Constitution, and pregnant with' so much danger to
it, was a duty most imperiously demanded ; and he
challenged the H:ose, he individually challenged
every Noble Lord who agreed with him in reprobat-
ing-that principle on a former" occasion, to declare
cow, in a positive, decided, and manly way, that
theLegislature'of this .Kiegdom would not tolerate,
in. the smallest degree, the prauice of deliberation
by: armed bodies of men. As a prOspedivenlea.
sure, .the Clause . introduced by the Noble Lord
was not altogether .satisfaaory to his mind, inas_
much as.it seemed to countenance the idea, that in
future it would be corryttent to Volunteer Corps to
origiate rules and regulations for their conduci.--
Against that, as a principle, he begged leave to enter
his most-solemn protest. He was always &Opinion,
where the Crown did not interfere intheformation
of such reguiaticnc, they should originate from the,
Commanding Officer, and from him alone. That
opinion was the consequence of his thorough con-
yiellop,. that no principle•was more dangerous and
plipele.to the essence and. true spitit of the Con.!
stitution, than that an armed body should assume
to itself a deliberative capacity. To put down, and
:annihilate at once the possibility of such a Monster
arising. in thiseountry, was -the privilege of the Le-
gis.larurc,;" and lie trusted that Parliament would
'not beintimidated fruit) the performance of i great
and 'necessary duty, -by any apprehension of future
consevences., He thought too highly- of the spirit
and loyalty of that great and meritorious body,
the-- Volunteers, to suppose that they would not
readily and cheerfully acquiesce in 'any regula-
tions that the wisdom of the Executive Govern.
mein shall prescribe for them. He would not de-
tain their Lo'rdship's any. longer, but move, that
the Clause• be expunged from the
.Bill, for the
purpose of 'introducing one which would embrace
'the ideas he•liad taken the liberty of submitting`to
the House.

Lord AUCKLAND felt himself under the neces-
iity of Li-men:log froth the Motion. .He thought
"that-Noble-Lords should ruse a little before they
rejeaed the ciause of which they were in possession,
and• without being fully acquainted with the nature
a that the Noble Lord may .propose to substitute
in ;its.place. He slid not much relish the idea of
being thus sent to open sea 'without chart or corn.
pass, and'he therefore wished that the Noble L.)rd;
had fallen upon sOrne made Of-info:tilling' the House
to what precise point their course was to be direded."
He saw. nitich mischief and'confusion hikchy to result
from the,retrospeclive operation.of the Clause, nor.
could he agree with- the Noble Lord, that the ex.
isting Comml,!tees were pregnant with the constitu.
tional inconveniencies he.liad so strongly deSeribed ;
and above.all, he deprecated the possibility of -set-
:tit-1g the Volunteers loose from .the regulations .they,
were baing under, even improper as in :some in.;
stances they possibly. might be. He would-there.
tore oppose the Motion -of the Noble Lord.
Lr.rd GRANVILLE, explained, that he could not,,
consistent whit order, submit his on the sub',
jea in the form of- a ;.'lot inn to the House, until the
' ClauSe proposed =by the Noble Lord had been pre--
Aiously expyrige:i, por..could'he regularly corroniuLi-
cate it to Noble Lords unless. he had read it as part::
or hits ',FluweVer; withnthepertnision.of tltei
,^l-totts.e.,,- he would. state the substance of, he'
'-vineant to IcrOpo.e,.in 0,-,se his Motion fur expuogii:g
thYClatise A'ould'h&c:irried. It was; tst,, That the

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