The Sun.
London, England, 1858-02-05 00:00:00

TJli TRANSFER OF LAND.

Sir F. KELLY gave notice that to-morrow he sh wld
put a question to the Attorney-Genera!, whether it was

his intention to bring in a bill to facilitate the transfer
of lead. (Hear, hear.)
EAST INDIA REINFORCEMENTS OF TROOPS,
Sir DE LACY EVANS rose to move, pursuant to
notice, for a select counuittee to.inquire concerning the
measures resorted to, or which were available, and as to
the lines of communication adopted for reinforcing our
army, during the pending revolt in India, and to report
thereon to this house ; with a view to ascertaining the
arrangements which should be made, towards meeting
any future important emergencies involving the security
of our Eastern dominion,. He moved the resolution,
omitting the last sentence, viz,, "with a view of," &c.
Sir C. NAPIER seconded the motion.
Lord PALMERSTON said the Government bad no
objection to the motion. They were desirous of giving
the house the fullest information on the subjeo,.
Mr. DISRAELI took an objection to the omis-
sion of the last sentence cf the motion. He ob-
jected to a change in the terms of a motion,
after due notice had been given of it, and entered on the
paper for the consideration of the house.
A discussion ensued on a point of order, whether the
omission could be made in the resolution, in which Mr.
Disraeli, Sir J. rakingten, Lord J. Russell, Mr. Roe-
buck, Mr. Horsfall, Sir De Lacy Evans, and others
took part.
Lord PALMERSTON said the Government had no
objection to the form of words on the votes as being
comprehensive for the purpose required. He advised
the gallant General to withdraw his resolution and move
it as it stood on the vote,. The Government were
willing the inquiry should be made in the terms of the
resolution,
After some discussion, Sir DE L. EVANS withdrew
his motion, and Mr. ROEBIJOIE moved it as it stood on
the paper.
Mr. DISRAELI said the country had a right to know
why the change had been made in the terms of the
resolution. It looked like an arrangement to prevent
discussion on the subject.
Sir DE L. EVANS denied that he had been actuated
by the motives ascribed to him. He had not had any
comm inication with the Government on the matter.
Ultimately the resolution, in its entirety, was put to
the house.
After some remarks from Col. FRENCH,
Lord J. RUSSELL moved the omission of the words
in the resolution, after the word " house." No benefit
would result from the committee's complying with the
requirements of the last part of the resolution as it stood
on the paper.
Mr. DISRAELI complained of the course now pro-
posed.
The Solicitor-General, by putting this notice on
the paper, had prevented any other hon. member doing
so. It was right the subject involved should be discussed
and inquired into, but he did not think the house would
agree to the resolution as it now stood. He suggested
that the motion should be withdrawn and proposed on a
future day, when the subject might be properly die
cussed firet,and a committee be afterwards appointed.
Lord PALMERSTON said the Government were
sati-fied the inquiry should take place, and they believed
it would be better attained by the labour of a committee
up stairs rather than by a debate in that house. The
right hon. gentleman was anxious for the sake of the
Government that the committee should not be appointed,
and he (Lord Palmerston) thanked the right hon, gen-
tleman for the interest he took in the Government, but
he was of opinion that inquiry would be more sati,,fac
tory than a desultory debate in that house. This was
precisely the subject that was fittest for an inquiry by
a committee. The right hon. gentleman had adverted
:o the di,astrous effect of the monsoon in the desert of
Egypt, perhaps next be would speak of tke dangers of
a sand storm in the Indian Ocean. _ (Laughter.) Ile
(Lord Palmerston) had given his reasons for the couNe
which bad been adopted, and no doubt those reasons
were not satisfactory to the right honourable gentle-
man, but that was a misfortune which those on the
Treasury bench must expectto encounter. What he ([4,-,rd
Pahnerst ,n) bad stated was that to send a large body of
troops by way of the Red Sea a large numb:ir of ship
would be required, and as those ships muss have been
sent round the Cape to the Red Sea, it was better to
send the troops in them at once. He would not go ht.)
the ciatait, they were for the committee to inquire into.
The right hon. gentLiman complained of being taken by
surprise, thot he had not had notice enough to prepare a
speech. Why, if he had not had sufficient notice in the
six weeks which had intervened since the adjournment,
what would four or five days be now ? Probably the
right hon. gentleman had discovered in that interval
that the result of the inquiry of the committee would not
be such as to meet the views of the right hon. gentle.
man.

Mr. NApIER thought the Government had exhibited
g. courage in going into this committee, for he could
t,:11 them that things woull come out a hich they little
expected.
Sir DE LACY EVANS, in reply, said that the
Variety of paternity attributed to the motion by the
right hon, gentleman the member for Buckinghamshire,
arose from his repeated objections to everything that
had been proposed by hon, gentlemen on that side of
the house in reference to the motion before them. Tne
right horn gentleman was in error when be said that he
(Sir De Lacy Evans) had not introduced the subject io
the manner it deserved. His opinions on it were well
k iowr, having repeat3dly and freely exdres';ed them on
former occasions; but he presumed the cause of the
right hon. gentleman's auger arose from his having come
down to the house primed with a speech, which the
course of events hardly gave him a chance of de-
livering. (Laughter.) He denied that he was an
habitual supporter of the Government, as the right
honourable gentleman had charged him, or tae
ha'-dfau 1 supporter of any party in that house. He owed
allegiance to no party, and claimed to be an independent
representative of one of the largest constituencies in
the kingdom ; and, as far as he could judge, they con-
sidered hint such, He also distinctly denied the charge
that it had been arranged between him and the
Government the course he should adopt, and said that
the only intimation he had of the intention of the
Government to grant this committee, was a statement
made in the House of Lords by Lord Granville to that
effect, before the Christmas 1-cese—a piece of infor-
mation that was accessible to the right hon. gentleman,
and which was confirmed in that house by a similar
statement from the right hon. gentleman the President
of the Board of Control. He indig, ant'y denied the
imputation of collusion, and said that in the former
discussion; on the transport of troops to Italia he had
agreed with the right hon. gentleman, and quoted from
his speeches.
Mr. BENTINCIC protested against the position in
which hon. members were placed by the course that
had been adopted. Ile could not vote for referring this
matter to a select committee, because his t xecrience
taught him that to refer questions involving charges
against the Government to a select committee was the
surest way of getting rid of them, and the noble lord
bad exercised sound discretion in accepting the motion.
It the house want to a drvision on the notion, he and
those who agreed with him would be placed ie a very
difficult position by having to record their opinion
against a portion of the motion, without having an
opportunity afforded them of recording their votes
against the original motion.
Sir J. ELPUINSTONE said that he, in common
with large numbers in the country, held strong opinions
on the transport of the troops to Jodie. He considered
that large bodies of troops at the early part of the rebel
lion might have been transported to India, across the
Isthmus of Sur z without endangering the health of the
men, having himself ascertained from experience that
no physical impossibility prevented them crossing that
part of the desert. lie knew that steamers were for
some tiine kept ready coaled at Bombay, waiting to be
sent to Suez the moment it was known that troops had
arrived there to be conveyed to India. Thera were
good barracks for the men at Cairo, a railway to convey
the troops some distance, and the remaining distance
might have been mantled over by night, so as to have
had between 40 and 500 men to send down the Red Sea
at a time by the regular monthlysteamers. Calm weather
would have assisted their transit,and the heat in the Red
Sea would not have been found half so hot by the rnen as
it was felt by their brother soldiers heft re Delhi. Having
gained the Straits of Bebelmendel a south-west wind
would have carried them to Bombay, and from thence
they would have been carried by railway in a few hours
to one of the most delightful climates in the woad. He
thought the Government ought to have availed them-
selves of the opportunity of sending troops across the
Isthmus of Sur zat an earlier period. With reference to
sailing vessels and steamere, the right hon. baronet said
that from February to April large fast sailing vessels,
such as the James Baines and Sovereign of the Sias,
would make a good passage in sevensy or seventy-five
days • but in calm summer tines steamers greatly sur-
passed them in speed. It wee a great ,oversight of the
Government not having employed steam at the early
stage of the mutiny. He thought it a disastrous thing
that the Government should have disbanded so speedi'y
the transport board that was called into existence by
the Russian war, and had been brought to a high
state of perfection as a valuable department. Had
that board been in existence at the time of the break

ing out of the mutiny, it would have been able to
have given the Government valuable information relative
to the force and power of every merchant steam-vessel in
the country, the expense ef conveying, men and goods,
and where to procure ships, by which means the troops
would have been forwarded in a much shorter period
than they were.
Mr. VANSIFTART considered the inquiry should be
a comprehensive one, bat he feared it would lose its value
if it were a private one. It was a matter orlieep regret
that the Government had not at a much earlier period
availed themselves of the overland route to despatch
troops to India. The 94th Re4iment was sent out over-
land a few weeks since, and in 48 hours after they left
Alexandria they embarked at Suez, with the whole of
the baggage and supplies, and the artillery in 26 hours.
The journey down the Red Sea was rapid by steamers,
and as to the heat, it wag absurd to give that a consider-
ation compared to what n )Idiers were generely exposed
to.
and He hop de, if an inquiry took place, it would be full
comprehensive.
Mr. MARSH had twice made the passage of the Red
Sea, and he never experienced so much misery from heat
in passing down the Red Sea as he had in Australia.
Lord V. TEMPEST reminded the house that be had
repeatedly urged on the Government the necessity of
promptly sending reinforcements to India, and that it
was preferable to send troops by steamer.; than Bailin?
esaele. He obj cted to a secret inquiry, as proposed by
this measure ; but that the importaece of the crisis should
be pressed on the Government in that house, in the face
if the c runtry. Hitherto no satisfactory information bad
been obtained from Government, and he was convinced
thatan investigation up-stairs would fail to show the short-
calming of the Government. He bad ventured to hope
that the Government would have given the house and the
corn-Pry sonie information as to the measures they intended
to take for the future. By the last accounts from India
that gallant and great man, Sir C. Campbell, bad been '
prevented from realising any great Malta from his min.

Lary genius from the want of men. Unfortunately the
motto " too late" characterised our doings in India, the
same as in the Crimea. He called on hon. members to
force on the Government the necessity of adopting mean°
for reinforcieg our army in India.
The house divided, when thoeurnbere were—
For the motion as on the paper
Against it 78
Majority 78
Majority
_69
Lord J. Russell's eonendment was therefore lost.
CITY OF LCINDON CORPORATION REFORele,'
Sir G. GREY, in moving for leave to introduce a In"
for the better regulation of the Corporation of Leaden,'
said it would be unnecessary for him to occupy the h 'use
with any lengthened observations. The main features of
the bill were the same as that he laid on the table eeTte former occasion, and which he then fully explained.
bad been, however, subjected to some modifications, '"
which he would briefly call the attention of the bowie'
The bill he before introduced was based on the recar
mendations of the committee of inquiry into the oorP°'
ration of London, and it embodied many of the room'
mendations of the commissioners. The
conemissionert
recommended that the wards should be reduced from
or 28 wards to 16, the present inequality in area, &a"
being got rid of. They also proposed that the govern;
ing body, like all other municipal bodies, should c0Oz;
of a Lord Mayor, aldermen, and common council. -"-
present body consists of 232 members, and it was Pre,°.
posed by the former bill, in accordance with the recc"i
mendation of the commissioners, that each of the 18
wards should return one alderman and five conact°!
councilmen ; but in consequence of the cemmunicatioss
that had passed between the Government and the
representatives of the corporation, it was now Pro
posed that each ward should eleot six instead of five
councilmen, which would make the number 0
instead of 232, the present number. The constituetio
would be altered, and be a little extended bettor;
that recommended by the commissioners and that '
the corporation of Lon don, in the bill3formerly laid e"
theta on the table of the house. The present bio
proposed a rated occupation of a house or
premises
the annual value of 101., doing away with the restriction
at present existing of every elector being a liveryman it
on the parliamentary registry. The Common Cetwie
were to be elected annually, but with respect to
0,.
aldermen, it was proposed to depart from the recoroate.o
dation of the oeramissioners, and at thesame time it let%
not thought right that the same rule that applied to the
aldermen of boroughs should be applied to the ell of
London, for they occupied a different
position to thet, of
aldermen of boroughs, having important magistarele
i e
duties to perform. He did not think it desirable 41,
persons exercising magisterial functions should be 01 •
jest to election or re-election
except in the case el
mayor, and departing from the recommendation oft db,
commissioners relative to the election aldermen spi•
the di-charge of magisterial duties, he proposed by te
bill that the aldermen of London should be elected is
life, and retain their magisterial functions, power bel!%
vested in the Common Council, in caeee where it 07,
shown that after election a majority of the constitue;
had grounds of complaint against an alderman, t°
ocl
prive him of his gown, or deprive him of such office, a,
it was not likely, in snob a case, that he would be td
elected by the ward. The Lord Mayor would be elec/
from amongst such aldermen as had filled the office
e°4
sheriff, or any person in the body qualified to serve, el,
chosen by the aldermen and Common Council. The tl°lloa
fication for Lord Mayor, sheriffs, and Common Code
would be alike. The office ofßecorder under the Mcui6iPed
Act was vested in the Crown. The Crown did not We
to interfere with the election of Recorder for Lend°il4;
but leave the appointment to aldermen, who bad hith;ho
exercised sound discretion in electing that officer. ei
oj
Court of Aldermen would be abolished, and they te°''r
no longer be members of the Central Criminal Court,
la
take part in the juries there. The corporation Oitito
retain its rights as to property; but it was proposed
aboiiali the exclusive right of trading, street tolls, eaol t
Five right:sof fellowship portere,and several things of Se-:i
kind. The coal-tax was of three kinds--one was a -te
of 3d. a ton, which the City claimed as a part of ;
0f
estate, and which was subject to a charge of 600,00° .
a second was a toll of id., subjected to a charge
was 12,0001., which expired in 1362 ; and the third•
tell of ld., which found its way to the Consolidat'i
Fund, would expiro in 1862, and therefore it was el.);,
proposed to deal with either of them by the present bibs
He believed that no objection would be• made by its
corporation to the introduction of the measure, or t° itg
principle, though probably there might be to some °, g
details. Ample opportunity would be afforded 1;0
fair and deliberate discussion of its
merits. ApplicatLe
had been made to him on the part of the city of Loe,itir
to permit them to introduce as a private bill one
eiraelea
to this in many of its leailieg provisions, but be "00
thought it undesirable, believing it could be better ceita
with as a public bill. The right hon. baronet then 01°
for leave to introduce the bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER second
the motion.
lir. Alderman CIJBITT said he thought the citisl
of London would never consent to the election of Iftry•
Mayor being taken out of the hands of 14,000 ill: 0
men and ratepayers, and placed in those of the o°°'"-•°00
council. It was important to the due adruinistra"l3
of the criminal law that the aldermen of London sitiej.
have an opportunity of seeing and studying its adto,l;i,e
tretion. Hitherto they had derived great advacycle
from sitting in the Central Criminal Court side by
with the judges of the land, and he thought it deeirso,oo
that privilege should be continued to them. ll°, tlet
at a loss to see what objection there could be
continuance. He also objected to any member oftt d
common council being eligible to the office of I'l°
Mayor. It was very desirable the choice should be tr°.lo
amongst those who had had considerable experienceoin
civic matters. An alderman looked forward tO
the civic chair after filling the office ten years, ems
he hoped he would not be deprived °f he
rights. He had other objections to the bill, but
would not state them then. To-morrow be
ask leave to introduce a bill on the part of the corp ta.
times of London, when the house would have an opP r
nity of judging between the two measures,
i°
Mr. W. WILLIAMS expressed his disappr° batwee
that the coal-tax was to be retained, and said he it,
prepared to show the corporation bad no claim t(cieb4
The tax was originally levied for the payment of a
the
that had long since been liquidated. He thougui" 00e
operations of the bill should have been extended, sau
confined to the present City boundary.
t
Mr. IWMAHON expressed regret that Goveremea
had not dealt with the question of the appropriatiti. of
the property of the Irish Society, and
that legislati"eo
was postponed.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he hal heard the state
of the right hon. gentleman (Sir G. Grey) with grel. pleacuro, and was glad to find that he was in nearer
agreement with the corporation than when the subject
was last before the house. He certainly thouglA)t., JC pedient that aldermen shouli cit for life instead of i(4-01 years ; and as the question of the coal duties waselea
necessarily mixed up with this measure, he Weo %fp that it bad not been dealt with by it. (Hear.) 11°
Nese,' lie could have wished that the old form of ete°'b-eit
the Lord Mayor and aldermen had been
preserved ;
eg
he thought the bill a very con.iderable improvereu
upon the previous one. Parliament ought altsall,a td
recollect that the city of London and its corporation
ch,
during most critical periods of our history show:1°10o
flaunt to the liberties of the countrl, and that therefore
change ought not to be carried
utiher than was ceco.
miry. (Rear.)
f the
Sir J. SHELLEY asked whether the policy 0, by
whole metropolis were to be placed under one beau .0
this hill ? There was a strong feeling in the public th'
in favour of amaleametion.
of
Sir DE LACY EVANS also urged the policy
consolidating the force.
Sir G. GREY said the bill did not contain any proei'
siert on this subject.
•
Leave was then given to bring in the bill, which wan
subsequently road a first time.
HEIRS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
Mr. DUNLOP obtained bill tO
leave to bring in a
abolish the privileges of heirs in Scotland in
regard t°
the Annus Deliberandi.
VALUATION OF LANDS (SCOTLAND) Aar
AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr. DUNLOP obtained leave to bring in a bill to d°
away with the exemption from valuation under the
Valuation of Lands (S3.olsnd) Act (1854) of certain de*
scriptions of lands and heritages.
PUBLIC HEALTH ACT (1843) AMENDMENT
' BILL.
On the motion of Mr. COWPER, the second reading.e°l
this bill was postponed until Monday next, after
remarks from Sir G. B. PEORELL and Sir 13. "'
LD
LOUGHBY,

ANNUITY TO LADY lIA.VELOCK.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Pi::
notice that to-morrow (this day) he should move that the
house resolve itself into committee to consider the flue".
tion of an annuity to Lady Havelock.
The house then adjourned at 20 minutesPaSil t 7 o'cl°cl_,
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BRTHS.
RAXENDAI;E—On the 3dl inst , at Totteridge, Heats, Xl*
Lloyd Baxendale, of a son..
CURTIS—On the 4th inst.; at 68. Eccleston-sqUare, the I/ifs
of Charles W. Curtis, Esq., of a daughter.
PARKER On the 24 Ina., at Lukesland, near IvYbreg:
the wife of Captain George Parker, R.N., of a daelPl sa
READ—On the 3d inat., at Lee, Kent, the wife of Fid°2l/
Read, Esq., of twin daughters.
MARRIAGES. p EURNABY—PENTONY—Ou the 3d inet , at S.- enurto
Walworth, Alfred William Burnaby, Of 1, Mitntrthr
Milk-street, Cheapside, and 8, Cottage-place,Vire,„joaP
to Mary, the daughter or the late Matthew 11. Pen
Esq., of Walk% orth.
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GinsoN---Ltbili---On the 4th inst, at St. George's L',;;betb
Botolph-lane, Mr. Henry Gibson, to Mrs.
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Lynn, of Lower Thames-street.
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BOSCHI—On the 2ith ultimo, at Florence, Don
Boschi, the eminent professor of Italian in that s'oribotto
CORBETT—On the 3d inst., atDover-street, C
Esq., of Tiletone Lodge, Cheshire, aged 79. Ist.
CRA.wootru—On the 2d lust., Moses Crawcour, ,
of Connaught-terrace, Hyde-park, aged 79. wife of
DE ST. CROIX—On the 2d inst., at Staines, Merl'
the late Wm. do St. Croix, Esq., of Windsor. coo.
HALFORD—On the 3d inat, at Aviary Cottage, 13*th,
Raiford, Esq., aged 79.
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HEATHCOAT -On the 30th ult., at Hinokley, •L'6loat
or
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shire, Robert Heathcoat, Esq., aged 60.
STARGARY—On the 3d inst., at 3, Blandford^P-00 •
gent's-park, J. J. L. Margary, Esq., aged 78. oboe
SHARPE —On the Ist inst., at Hastings, Hercules
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