The Sun.
London, England, 1867-04-27 00:00:00

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.

SlR,—The Master Tailors' Association are de-
sirous of removing some misapprehensions, and to
give some explanations as to the causes and nature
of the strike among the operative tailors in London,
and I have therefore to ask you. to be good enough
to give insertion to the following communication.
In order that the present dispute may be fully
understood, it is necessary to explain the principle
on which the journeymen tailors in London are paid,
differing as it does from the general rules which
govern most other trades. For upwards of 30 years
past the tailors have bee❑ paid upon a scale of re-
muneration based on a c deulation of the time that
it would take au ordinary workman to make a par-
ticular g a-meta, not as the time within which the
garment .must be made, but merely as the basis foi
calculating the wages, and the workman is then paid
so much per hour calculated on that scale.
This is what is now called the " time log." Under
this " time log" every garment has a certain num-
ber of hours appropriated to it. No change has ever
been made in this " time log." The only change
sought for up to the present time has bee❑ an in-
crease of the rate of payment per hour, thus in fact
giving increased wages. Now, this special principle
of calculating wages recommends itself as a fair and
equitable one both to masters and to men, and 1
venture to think that the trade has reason to feel
that it has so long governed their mutual relations.
The effect is, that according to the degree of skill
and industry, so is the degree of payment. It is in
effect a principle of " piece-work," and the time log
is nothing more than a basis on which to calculate
the money to be paid for each piece of work, and when
an increase of wages has been agreed upon, it has
simply been necessary to increase the rate per hour.
Up to the spring of 18G6 the rate per hour vas
6d.,. but an increase having been demanded by the
London operatives an arrangement was made the
effect of which was to increase the wages about an
average of 6s. per week. Matters so continued
until the early part of the presentyear, when a com-
munication was made to the Master Tailors' Asso-
ciation from the London 'Operative Association,
who had become in union with the Amalgamated
Society of Operatives. The object of the commu-
nication was to endeavour to obtain a uniform and
universal time log to regulate the trade not only in
London but throughout the United Kingdom. Some
discussions took place between the committees of
the master tailors and of the operatives, but these

led to no result beyond confirming the masters in
the opinion they had before entertained, that it
would be quite impossible to settle any " universal
time log" which would be applicable to London and
to every other part of the United Kingdom.
On Thursday, April 18, a printed circular, dated
April 16, from the London operatives and the
amalgamated societies, was sent to most of the prin-
cipal fit ins in London, enclosing what was called the
" Amalgamated Society of Journeymen Tailors'
Time Log," for adoption by them, and requiring a
reply by two o'clock on Saturday, the 20th inst.
This circular stated that the operatives " did not
seek an increase in the rate per hour, but simply the
adjustment of the time necessary to realise that which
was but a nominal advance." The time log, which
was enclosed, was a closely printed pamphlet, con-
taining 24 pages of matter, setting forth in great
detail the number of hours to be acknowledged as
the necessary time for making the various garments
&c., upon which time wages for the future should be
calculated ; but it also contained a great number of,
items heretofore comprised in the general payment,
but now demanded to be paid for as extras. This
time log seeks to alter for the first time the gene-
rally adopted time for making garments in Lon-
don, and demanding an increase of so many hours,
involving of course, a corresponding increased
payment for each garment ; in fact, the nominal
demand of further time in the time log appears to
the masters to be nothing more nor less than a de-
mand for increased wages to the extent of at least
Bs. a week (in addition to the increase of last year),
under the cover of settling a " universal time log."
The London masters declined to adopt the proposed
time log, and, in accordance we conclude with orders
from the operatives' committee, the whole of the
men in nearly of the principal establishments in
London are now out upon Strike.
'This association does not desire to intrude upon
the public the details connected with the demands
of the operatives. The above will give the general
nature of the dispute. They abstain from any com-
ment upon the course adopted by the operatives, as
they arc anxious not to widen the difference which
has already arisen. Indeed, it is due to great num-
bers of the men in the employ of firms represented
by this association to say that they frankly admit
they do not desire any change, nor do they approve
of the proposed strike, as they are satisfied with the
present iate of wages; and we therefore are led to
the conclusion that this strike is the result of the
views of the leaders of the two operative societies
rather than of the men's uninfluenced judgments.
We do not call in question the zeal of these
leaders ; they may believe that they are best serving
the interests of their fellow-workmen in advising
the course which has been adopted, but we venture
to think they are not wise in this, and that the per-
manent interest of the trade, both as regards mas-
ters and men, will be seriously imperilled by what is
now being done.
I will only add one further observation, viz., that
there are numbers of excellent hands still employed,
but we regret to say that acts of intimidation and
obstruction are daily brought under the notice of
this association.
Apologising for the length of this letter, I am,
Sir, yours obediently,
R. LEWIS,

President of the Master Tai!ors' Association
of the United Kingdom.
Master Tailors' Association of the United Kingdom,
25, Old Bond-street, London, W., April 26.

HER MAJESTY " CALLING " A MINISTER TO' A
PARISH CHURCII.—At a meeting of the Kincardine
O'Neil Presbytery the other day, a call was laid on the
table from the parish of Crathie to the Rev. Mr. Taylor,
Montrose. Among the signatures to the call was that of
Dr. Robertson, who had been instructed to subscribe the
document on behalf of the Queen. The call was sustained.
—Edinburgh Courant.
'A. SECOND LONG INCC3II3EN6r.—The Rev. J. IL
Bromby, who has just resigned the vicarage of the Holy
Trinity, Hull, was in the 70th year of his incumbency,
having succeeded the Rev. Joseph Milner, the Church his-
torian, in 1797. The rev. gentleman is iu the 97th year of
his 8,,,,•0; be is in good health, and in the perfect possession
of bi,faculties.
_•

- . -
THE SCHOOL FIZIGATE CONWAY.—The committee
Of the Conway School frigate, stationed in the
Mersey, on Thursday last passed a resolution, thanking
Captain Paynter, R.N., for the uniform courtesy and kind-
ness with which ho has co-operated with them during his
three years' stay on the station in boinmand of her Ma-
jesty's ship Donegal, and expressing regret that his de-
parture from Liverpool will deprive them of his valued
assistance and advice. Captain Paynter, during the period
ho has been on the station, has won the esteem of all
classes of the Liverpool community. Ho has particularly
identified himself with all matters affecting the improve-
ment of the mercantile marine.

FATAL COLLISION.—The weather underwent a
considerable change off the Northumberland coast
on Wednesday night, the wind getting,- round to the N.E.,
and blowing a gale- Between 9 and 10 o'clock a screw
hopper, No. 1, belonging to the River Tyne Commissioners
ran into a steamtug, the Vigilant, off the harbour mouth
and sank her in a few minutes. All hands jumped from
the tug into the hopper, but the master, Win. ginishaw,
and the vessel sank with him. He has left a widow and
five children. The rough sea bas .completely broken the
tug up, and her wreck is scattered along the shore,
.I.IIE CONVICT TOOMEII.—A deputation, em-
bracing several friends of Miss partridge, for au assault
upon whom Neville Maskelyne Toonier is now undergoing
the sentence of fifteen years' penal servitude, waited upon
the Bight lion. S. li. Walpole on Thur3day. Several
gentlemen from Reading were also present with the depu-
tation. The Home Secretary listened attentively to the
representations of the deputation, which, of course, Ivens,
adverse to the convict.
A town in Connecticut, which has a standing
reward of $3 per capita for foxes taken within its limits,
recently refused to settle with a hunting party that had
killed 13e.
, because the animals were young. Th
question now agitating the town is, "When is a fox a
fox ?"
Fifteen hundred freedmen have applied to the
American Colonisation Society at New York to be sent to
Africa within eight months. Eix hundred of there have
already embarked.

/frr;sk._. 7..

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE--This Bay.

VICTORIA CLUB BETTING.--•THIS DAY.

The week's settling and comparing over this
Chester meeting occupied so much time that specu-
lation prior to the move westward made very little
progress. Lecturer nominally was at 4 to 1, but
both buyers and backers seemed chary of dealing
with either of the Danebury horses. Miss Have-
lock was in good demand, but the feature was th.o
support accorded to Leap Year, who was said to
have beaten Archimedes in a trial. Dalby retired
to 50 to 1, which only in a single instance Vag
accepted. The 11.1ke further advanced for the
Dzrhy, 4 to 1 being the highest price obtainable.

CHESTER, CUi'.
4 to 1 agst Lecturer (off., take 5 to 1)
11. to -1 ngst Miss Hs veloek (taken)
11 to 1 agst Rainn. (off.)
12 to 1 ngst Lucifer (off.)
100 to 8 agst A ichiniedes (taken and off.)
25 to 1 apt Tormenter (off.)
25 to 1 agst Leap Year (taken and off.)
30 to 1 agst Leases (offered)
33 to 1 ngst Gotocra (offered)
33 to 1 agst Tha Rescue (offered)
1000 to 20 agst Dalby (taken)
DERBY.
4to 1 agst Tho Rake (taken)

NOTICE.—CIIANGE OF ADDRESS. —.TWIN STIRIC, late of
Beaufort Buildings, Strand, returns his best thanks for the
patronage he has received during the past year, and begs
to inform his friends that ho has removed to 25, IVel-
- Strand, London, where commissions will be
executed to any amount. Price Lists as usual.

T. and G. LEE, of the Whoatsheaf, Worship-street,
Shoreditch; at Three King-court, Lombard-street ; an,d
at One Swan-yard, Bishopsgate-street.

W. Homms and Jolts AMBROSE (member of Tattereall's,
Victoria, and other Clubs) Execute Ootnmissious on all
races throughout the year. Address-33, OILENDEN-
STREET, HAYMARKET.

Mr. GEORGE WEBB has lists rested on all forthcoming
events daily from ten till two at the City Arches ; also in
George-yard, and through his agent, Mr. Frank Butler,
near Meux's Brewery.

THE HAVELOCK Turf Agency's Representative can bo
seen daily in Talbot-court, Gracechurch-street, from
Eleven till Three. N.B.—lf you want a good foreign
cigar call at the Havelock Cigar Stores, 10, Wa'worth-
road, three doors from the Elephant and Castle.

RACING FIXT

Ascot Spring
York Spring '7
Doncaster Spring . 9
Salisbury
Bath

RES FOR 1867.

Harpenden
Epsom
Croydon . 29
Newton 29

Ascot Summer 4 - Beverley
Windsor Summer
Manchester Summer ... 12 Chelmsford Summer
Hampton l3 Newcastle .. 25
Odiham l7 Ipswich '27
%bury Club lB Worcester Hummer 27
JULY

Oarliale
Tsitiwinexkot July 2
Pontefract
Reading
Liverpool July Meeting 10
Rungerford
Nottingham l6

Down Royal Colponttn l7
Stamford
Radcliffe
Huntingdon 23
Winchester
Southampton
i Goodwood
MBE R.

NOVE

Liverpool Autumn 5
Shrewsbury Autumn ll

1 Leamington Hunt

Di 0 T Eb

TRAINING"QUARTERS.

(The following appeared in our third edition of yes-
terday evening.)
NEWMARKET.
The Rake galloped this morning a mile and a
half, and the Hermit was out trotting and cantering
freely, but he did not gallop. D'Estournel had a
mile and three quarters, but laid his ears back at
the finish. Dragon went a splendid two mile
gallop steadily. Julius had a mile and a quarter
spin with the Beadle, and went uncommonly well.
Arundel and Bombastes did .over a mile, and Sir
Oliver trotted. Stradbroke merely walked. Ar-
chimedes galloped two miles and a half, pulling up
solnd and well. Mdlle. Cleopatre did like work,
and Leases had a mile and three quarters gallop.
Most of the " strangers" have ldt here.

Apprehension of Batting Men.

At the Marlborough-street Police-court, yester-
day, Stephen Hopkins, of 33, Oxenden-street, Hay-
market, described as a commission agent, and John
Ambrose, of 22, Nas,sau-street, Middlesex Hospital,
were brought before Mr. Knox on a warrant, by
Superintendent Hannant, of the C division, charged
Hopkins with keeping the house, No. 33,
Oxenden-street, for the purpose of betting with
persons resorting thereto ; and Ambrose with
assisting in conducting a betting-house ; and W.
Barrett, Ealing, horse-dealer ; C. Watson, address
refused; and E. Sloman, musician, were charged
with being found in the house.
The defendants Watson, Sloman, and Barrett
were discharged.
Superintendent Hannant produced Sir R. Mayne's
authority to enter the house, 33, Oxenden-street,
and said—l went to 33, Oxenden-street this day,
between twelve and one. I know Mr. Hopkins as
the keeper of the house for several years, and found
him at the door. On seeing me he stepped back into
the shop. I entered immediately and said, " Mr.
Hopkins, I have a warrant to enter your house." I
found the other defendants in a back room of the
place, which is a betting-house. On the counter of
the shop I found some handicap books lying and a
tissue and racing calendar. In the back room on a
table 1 found a book containing different entries of
racing events, and on searching the place I found a
great many memoranda relating to horse-racing, of
which I took possession. Ambrose was in the back
room, where I found the book. The defendants were
taken to the station. On telling the defendants that
I should take them into custody Ambrose made
some objection to the state of the law, remarking
that persons could stand about the streets, and in
Hyde.-park, and receive money—persons who did
not intend to pay debts—and those who kept a re-
spectable house, and intended to pay, by doing so
committed an offence. Hopkins said he did not
deny being the keeper of the house, and had kept it
for 13 years.
Ilopkins—l believe I said the handicap books
were for sale.
Superintendent Hannant—You
Sergeant Shillingford, 4C, said—By direction of
the superintendent I went to No. 33, Oxenden-street
on Monday last about one o'clock, and saw the de-
fendants. Ambrose was behind the counter. at a
desk. I saw seven or eight cards on the counter with
odds marked on them. There were three men in the
shop at the time looking at the cards, and one said,
" Book me £2 on Plaudit for the Two Thousand
Guineas," this horse being at 3to 1. Ambrose l'e-
ceived the money from the man and turned round to
the desk. and booked it in a similar book to the one pro-
duced. I did not hear the name the person gave. E
then left. Hopkins was present all the time. I.
visited the house again at 20 minutes past one, anti
there were cards on the counter, as on my former
visit, and on one of the cards there was " Marksman
5 to 1 for the Two Thousand Guineas." There
a wern
a
four others present besides myself, and a gentlem
said, " Book me half
a sovereign on Marksman,"
and Ambrose received the half-sovereign from
the in.tn, and ttirmd round and booked it in a
fgoernt;,ltetenaain.d, g:,je Fhiotrnd, and asked
similar book to the one produc..cd. I think the
the
acegnadofe kept
have observation
seen
ee nfrom o n the
4 o
a card out of
a drawer, there being on the card " Ambrose and
11::oltiLiityo the house from eleven to three
Hopkins, 33, Oxenden-street " I remained in the
titolousiitpiEE:oo:Bl.liN
—men I know to be betting men.

The defendants asked for an adjournment, as
they had only just been taken into custody.
Mr. Knox.—The defendants have asked for an
adjournment, and as they have only been arrested
a short time, I think they are entitlesi to it, so that
if they think proper they may provide themselves
with professional advice ; but as the penalty is £lOO
I must have good bail. I shall require the defen-
dants to enter into their own recogniaances in the
sum of £5O each, and to find two sureties in £5O
each.

'The recinired 6uretiw were at once entered into.