The Sun.
London, England, 1867-05-07 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF LORDS.-LAST EVENING.
The LORD Cataczuou took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
Theitamsden Estate, the Wilts and Gloucester Railway
the Herne Bay Water, and the Cardiff and Penarth Road
Bills were read a second time.

THE IRISH CONSTABULARY.
Lord LIFFORD gave notice of a motion relative to the
Irish Constabulary.
THE WHITE HERRING FISHERY BILL.
This bill was committed.
The house then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—LAST EVENING.
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Orkney Roads, Sunderland Ferry, Sunray and Sussex
Junction Railway, and Wolverhampton New Water.
CORRUPT PRACTICES BILL.
. Mr. R. HUGESSEN gave notice that on the order of
the day for the second reading of this bill he should move
that the order be discharged, and that the bill be referred
to a select committee. •

MARTIAL LAW IN THE COLONIES.
Mr. HEADLAM asked the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer whether the attention of the Government had been
directed to the presentment of the grand jary in the case
of Colonel Nelson and Lieutenant Brand, " That martial
law should be more dearly defined by legislative enact-
ment." And, whether the Government proposed in any
manner to act upon the recommendation of the grand

jury?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQEUER said
the Government did not wish to wait for the presentment
of the grand jury, but his hon. friend the Secretary for the
Colonies had addressed a circular to the Colonial Govern-
ment, which he thought would be attended with very im-
portant results. He thought the best course for the
Government to pursue would be to have a copy of the cir-
cular on the table of the house.
THE IRISH AND SCOTCH REFORM BILLS.
Mr. ESMONDE asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
in reference to his answer on Friday last, when he said,
in reference to a question on the subject of the lush Re-
form Bill„;fr,We shall take care of Ireland," what meaning
was to be attached to such answer ; whether such bill was
to be framed upon the principle of the Scotch Reform Bill
as explained by him ; and when it would be introduced ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
meant that do Government would take care that the en-
moment they had entered into would be virtually carried
out, after the introduction of the Scotch bill, which
would take place on Thursday or Monday at the latest.
After that his noble friend the Secretary for Ireland would
introduce the bill for Ireland. He (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer) had undertaken the charge of the Scotch bill
in consequence of the absence of the Lord-Advocate from
the house.
MR. OSBORNE'S "MARE'S NEST."
Mr. B. OSBORNE called the attention of the house to
a matter which, he said, had assumed the shape of a per-
sonal affair. He referred to the memorandum which the
hon. member for Swansea had drawn up, and also to the
copy he had made known to the house. He was quite
prepared to produce his copy, and he thought the only
course open to the hon. member for Swansea was to pro-
duce the secret document. If he was wrong in what he
had stated about the document, he maintained that the
memorandum was drawn up to influence votes, and that
his hon. friend had acted as a decoy duck, and that he
had succeeded in inducing fifty feathered and confiding
ducks to follow his example. He therefore called upon
the hon. member to produce the document as the only
way of setting the matter right.
Mr. DILLW YN said he was quite ready to produce the
original document if it was the wish of the house, but
unless that wish was expressed he should refrain from
doing so. He .thought the proper course for the hon.
member for Nottingham to have pursued would have been,
after he had made his copy of the memorandum, to have
asked him whether his copy was correct or not. (Hear.)
Colonel TAYLOR said he had not one word to add or
to retract from the statement ha had sent to the news-
papers. He considered the conversation he had had with
the hon. member for Swansea was of a private nature.
Mr. 0. STANLEY said ho never stated that the copy of
the document read by the hon. member for Nottingham
was a correct one. He stated that it was written from re-
collection after the reading of the memorandum of the hon.
member for Swansea. The proper time for him to have
denied the correctness of the copy was when it was first
read to the house by his hon. friend. This ho had not
done, and now he came forward and denied that it was in
consonance with the original document.
Mr. lIITIBERT said ho knew nothing about that mat-
ter, but he thought from what had come to hie know-
ledge that the original document was a private commuui-

cation.
Mr. LOWE said the name of Die Chancellor of the Ex-
cheqner having been mentioned in connection with a mat-
ter which, it had been said, had led to certain members
having. been influenced in that house, it .was a matter
that required soma explanation from some member of the
Government.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said ho
would, as there was then no question before the house,
take the opportunity of making some observations on the
motion for going into committee.
THE FENIAN PETITION.
Mr. D. GRIFFITHS proceeded to refer to certain ob-
servations made by Mr. Bright on the prosentation.of the
petition relative to the treatment of the Fenian prisoners
last Fziday, but after he had proceeded some time Sir
G. Grey said it was but right, before the subject was con-
verted into a question of privilege, notice of the fact should

be given.
The SPEAKER also decided that before the matter
could be properly before the house it was requisite that
notice of his intention to do so should be given.
THE IRISH CHURCH.
In reply to an•HoN. MEMBER, •
Sir JOHN GRAY said he should proceed with the
matter to-morrow.
THE MEETING IN HYDE PARK.
Mr. YORKE asked the Secretary of State for the Home
Department a question with respect to the meeting in
Hyde Park. It had become known that cabs and cotter-
mongers' carts had been admitted into Hyde Park, and
what he wished to know was whether the ordinary regu-
lations had altogether been set aside.
Mr. WALPOLE said he was not aware of the admission
cf cabs and carts into Hyde Park. All the ordinary regu-
lations with respect to that park were now in full opera-
tion.

THE REFORM BILL.

The House went into Committee on this Bill.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
regretted he had not been able to place the exact words of
the amendment he had referred to in the hands of hon.
members. He hoped, however, to do so to-morrow even-
ing. With respect to the amendment of the hon. mem-
ber for Oldham, he had fulfilled his promise, and brought
the matter under the consideration of his colleagues, and
he regretted they could not relieve the compound
householders in the manner ho proposed. The
right hon. gentleman then proceeded to state the
nature of the amendments that he proposed to
make in the bill with respect to compound householders.
It was proposed that the compound householder should
pay the whole amount of rates and deduct the entire
amount from his rents. By other arrangements it had
been so set out that neither the landlord nor the occu-
pier would incur the fine that had been spoken of.
He proposed to make certain amendments to the 34th
clause, and also to meet the repeal of the 13th and 14th
Viet., saving of course all existing rights.
Mr. BRIGHT would like to know what was meant by
the last observation about existing rights?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was
that any person whose name was on the register should
be protected in all the rights which he at present enjoyed.
The course he thought that would be most advantageous
to pursue was after they had finished the third clause they
should consent to the postponement of all clauses between
it and the 24th, and proceed with that, and thus at once
dispose of the important question of the compound house-
holder.
Mr. BRIGHT thought that if the whole matter was
postponed for a few days, there was every prospect some
arrangement agreeable to all parties would be come to.
If the party of the right hon. gentleman would give
him the power of doing that which ho (Mr. Bright) felt
certain he was desirous of doing, viz., to make the bill a
good and great measure, the better it would be for all
parties.
The question was then put by Mr. Dodson that the
words "12 months" be inserted in the third clause, in
Placo of the words " two years," which was agreed to.
Sir R. PALMER asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
-whether the compound householder would be permitted
merely to make the dedu.7tion he then spoke of merely fur
%31'1:tIartt° enable him to pt his name on the register,
or
er he would have the favour of doing it every
year.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER said the
deduction of course would be made every following year•
(Hear, hear.)
Sir It. PALMER moved his amendment to clause 3,
which was to omit the word." inhabitant" before that of
occupier, the effect of which was to make the qualifi-
cation of the occupier sufficient for the claim to be put
on the register.

Mr. GOLDING thought it -would bo unwise to strike
the word inhabitant out of the bill.
Sir R. COLLIER said the effect of the argument of his
hon. and learned friend was to place the voter below £lO
in the same position as the voter above that amount, but,
being opposed by Mr. Ayrton, Mr. Clay, Mr. Headlam, and
other gentlemen on the Opposition benches, Sir IL Palmer
ultimately withdrew it.

The "Lodger Franchise" was then moved by Mr.
M'Cullagh Torrens; the lodger to be admitted being de-
fined by Mr. Torrens as one who has occupied during the