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London, England, 1858-07-22 00:00:00

THIRD READINGS.

The following bills were road a third time and pacsed:
Four Courts (Dublin) Ex elision, Stipendiary llsgistrates,
Eeele9iastcal JuriAiction Continuaneo, Charitable
Grants Arrangemen, Copyholl and Inell6ure Comtuis-
sinners, Indemnity, Administration of Oaths by C.3111'
mittzes, and Army S.rvice TI,PR,

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(This Day.)
The SPEAKER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock.

SARAWAK.

Mr. CRAWFORD presented a petition from the
merchants, sbipo wner, and bankers of London, trading
to the Eist Indies and China, calling attention to the
present state of British interests in tbeArchipelago, and
praying that protection might he aff irded to the govern-
ment of Sarawak under Sir J. Brooke.

CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION)
BILL-THE FINANCIAL STATE OF TFIE
COUNTRY.

On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Sir G. C. LEWIS called the attention of the house to
a comparison of the figures in the Appropriation Bill
with the Chase llor of the Exchequer's statement when
he introduced hi.; budget. He then estimated the re•
venue at 63,900,0001., and that there would be a surplus
of revenue over expenditure. The right hon. gentleman
estimated the interest of the national debt at 30, 300,0 C 0 '.,
the charges for the army 11,750.000/., for the navy
9,860,0001., the civil service 7.000,0001., and the collec-
tion of the revenue 4,700,6001., making a total of
63,610,0001., compared with a probable revenue of
63,900.000/ , showing a surplus of revenue over expen-
diture of about 300,000/, The results of the votes in
committer during the session, as shown by the appro•
priation bill, were as follows :—National debt interest
30,300,0001., army 12,010,0001., navy 9,839,0001., civil
services, 7,240,0001. and collection of revenue 4 73€1,000/.,
making a t, tal of 64,119,0Q0/ , but to that must be added
326,0001., the balance of former votes in committee of
supply, of which the Government proposed to avail
thetusAves, and th.t would bring up the total charge
of the existing financial year to 64,445,0001, against
an estimated revenue of 63,900,000/. ; therefore, accord-
ing to the information now before the hou=e, instead of
there being an excess of revenue of 300,0001 over ex-
penditure, there would be an estimated excess of expen-
diture over revenue of 835,0001, which was the point
to which be wished to call attention.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
was true there had been an excess of estimated expen-
diture over revenue, but at the same tine he was happy
to say the revenue had also exceeded his estimate, and
,f he were called upon to make a statement froas this
time, his estimate of revenue would be much greater
than the estimate referred to. The Gloomy state of
things that existed when her Majesty's Government took
office had cleared away, and the revenue for the final
quarter showed an increase of 223,9441. income
over expenditure, and that at a period when their
expectations were the least sanguine. He found
from a return that had been furnished to him the follow-
ing favourably state of the revenue from the let to
the 19th July, in comparison with the same period of
the previous year. In 1857 tee revenue derived from
the cu4torns for the 18 days was 867,0001., for this yoeair.
1,003 000/., giving a surplus on the 18 days of 196'00
(Hear, hear.) Excise in 1857 was 623 0001., it "II now
728,0001., giving an increase of 105,0001.
Gear,3 00ea00/..
Stamps in 1857 was 297,0001, it was now 4,_
—(hear, bear)—giving a surplus of 43,0001. (Hear,
hear.) The post-office is 1857 was 30,000/., it was now
isnoc,
roeoaoB/B,ogivingsurplus a surpluss ofe
fo2uO,r ogoroeaLt b
rTheal r
we aggregate
more than any other indicated the condition of the coun-
state of things would, he thought, allow hon. members to
try, was 364,000/. on the 18 days. (Ilear, hear.) Such a
meet their constituents eithout any gloomy views of the
state of the finances of the country— (hear, hear)—and
when it was said there was a deficiency instead of an in-
crease, be appealed to the figures he had stated as proof
to the contrary. The date of the revenue was so encou-
raging, that her Majesty's Government, althuugh they
bad the power of raising this year two millions, in order
to pay off Exchequer Bonds, had only ava.led themselves
of that power to the extent of one million—(hear, hear)
—which they anticipated would be sufficient—(beat,
hear)—so that if public affairs proceeded as favourably as
now, her Majesty's Government would be able to reduce
the debt this year one milli, n. (Hear, hear.) The right
x r
Lou.
e emanremi
on thendedth
e house that revenue and
p ngclelatie depended
itu
e
policy pursued by a
Government. (Hear, hear.) And after reviewing our
position with reference to foreign countries, and our
eoramermal prospects, he c included by observing that
the income and expenditure was such as to give satis-
faction to every lover of his country. (Hear, hear.)
After seine remarks from Mr. WILS iN and Mr.
HAMILTON,
Mr. CRAWFORD asked the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer if he could state how much of the increase in
stamps arose from the impestion of stampis on bankers'
cle clues,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
he could not exactly answer the quetiun of the hon.
er, ror did be think it necessary to do so. The
taxes had generally realised the estimate he wade in the
beginning of April.
S.r H. WILLOUGHBY complained cf the growing
increase in expenditure of the country. It was becom-
ing a very serious matter, and tLe house must do some-
thing to ch ck it. The &lane s wore in a bloyant state
hue tutfertuaatcly expenditure it:crewed according to the
capability cf taxation. He had every confidence that
the present goverement would use their utmost en-
eleavouss to reduce the Expenditure.

After a-s.rne lernarks from Mr. W. WILLIAMS in rela-
tion to the increase of tx?mditura in the army and
navy,

The, motion was agreed to.
The house then wont into committee, and the various
clauses up to 24 were agreed to.
04 clause 25,
Sir H. WILLOUGHBYmoved the followiug addition

to the clause :—"-Provided always, that whenever, ISI
consequence of an exigency of the public service, the
commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury shall authorise
t a appropriation of the public money, in addition to the
aggregate su-n voted for any service in any department,
every such appropriation shall be presented in a supple-
men'aiy estimate to be approved and sanctioned by the
House of Commons if Parliament is sitting, and if Par-
liament is not sitting, then within one month after the
II meeting of Parliament."
Sir G. C. LEWIS collected to the amendment. In-
stead of its being a proviso it was in fact a repeal of the
clause. The right hon. baronet contended that it wax
necessary the Executive Government shduld have a die.
cretionary power given to them.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS supported the amendment.
After some further discussion,
The committee divided. The numbers were—
For the amendment ... 41
Against it B9
Maiirity .
The amendment was lost and the clause agreed to.
The remaining clauses were agreed to and the bill
passed through committee.
The house resumed.
METROPOLIS LOCAL MANAGEMENT ACT
AMENDMENT BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on tbia bill,
Mr. BUTLER, objected to the motion. He con-
sidered they were legislating too hastily on this subject.
There was a large area from the C ,tswold hills to West.
minster bridge that contributed towards the contami-
nation of the Thames, which it was proposed to exempt
from this He thought that those who contributed
to the contamination of the river should assist in its
purification. (Hear, hear.) He had another objection
to the bill, namely, that a large amount of property
within the area, such as the 1105 al Palace, Government
offices, and public buildings, that contributed -towards
the contamination cf the river, were to be exempted
from contributing towards its purification, and hi
moved the committal of the bill on this day three
month©. _ -

Sir C. NAPIER also considered that those who con.
ributed towards the evil complained of should be oalled
upon to contribute to its removal. An enormous quan-
tity of dirt was brought up the river by the shipping.
and he wished to know why the shipping interest were
not to contribute towards the works in question I
Lord J. MANNERS expressed a hope that the house
would not be led into ageneral discussion of the bill be-
fore going into committee. There could be no doubt
throwing dirt into the docks was an offence, and steps
had been taken to prevent the recurrence.

Sir C. NAPIER—That has nothing to do with the
dirt from the shipping in the ricer. (Hear, bear.)
Lord EBRINGTON said be had not sufficient confi•
deuce in the Metropolitan Board of Works and the:r offi-
cers, to eatruet them with carrying out these works.
Sir DE L. EVANS considered it was the duty of the
Government to assist the Metropolitan Board of Woiks,
who, he believed, were capable of carrying out this work.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said hi
thought the best way to consider the bill was in com-
mittee. The prinople of the bill bad received the appro-
val of the house. He considered Mr. Thwaitee, the chair-
man of the Metropolitan Board of Works, was a practical
and efficient public servant. (dear.)
After some remarks from Mr. HEADIAIL,
Mr. CONING HAM viewed with considerable alarm
the interference of the Government in the manner pro-
posed. The Metropolitan Board cf Works were most
indompetent for the important duties they would have
to discharge, and he expressed his belief that
the drainage of London would cost 30 millions to carry
it out in a proper manner. He referred to the various
schemes that had been :aid before the public, and severely
criticised that of Mr. B:.zAlgette, and ridiculed his in-
spection of the sewers at midnight, when every honest
man ought to be in his bed. (Caeers and loud laughter.)
He contended that much of the evil complained of arose
from the rain fall, and that the scheme prepoied was
not calculated to remedy it. He opposed the going into
committee on the bill.

Sir J. SHELLEY hoped the house would go into
committee on the bill. The Metropflitan Bard of
Works bad great difficulties to contend with, but they
had not yet been tried and f Arnd wanting. This was an
enabling bill, and he felt sa-isfied that if the Metropoli-
tan Board of Works were called upon t) carry out these
works they would do it satisfact,)ri'y.
Mr. COX said the people put no faith in the Execu-
tive Goyaanent carrying out works economically, and
he instanced the estimate of 750,000/. for Westminster
Palace, but which had eat upwards of two millions. If
the Metropolitan Board of Works had to carry out the
drainage cf the metropolis, be thouzlit they would carry
it out within a reasonable all). (Hear, bear.) He ex-
pressed his regret that the public Offices were not to con-
tribute towards the expense, and asked the Chancellor
of the Exchequer if be y.'as prepared to introduce a clause
rating them triwards

Gen. CODRINGTON askei if it was underst.rod that
the Government bad trade it a condition with the Me.
tropolitan Board cf Works that the intercepting plan
should be carried cut, viz., by a succession of tunnels
down to Barking Creels?

Mr. WALPOLE thought these questions could be
answered in committee.

Mr. J. LOOKE (Southwark) wi,led to know if there
was a foregone conclusion by the Government of any
particular plan ; and if s), what it was It was neces-
sary the house should he informed on that subject.
Mr. CLAY said the bill did not give her Majesty's
Government power to decide on any Oar, but the Me-
tropolitan Board of Works ; and' he had the authority
of the chairman of the Metrcp)itan Board of Works to
state that that body was not pledged to any particular
plan.
After some remarks from Sir W. DUNBAR,

Mr. J. LOCKE (Ho'Atop) thougbt the Government
should give an answer to the hon. and gallant member
for Greenwich. By doing so many oLjections would be
removed, and be ar.d others would be disposed to go
into committee.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said her
Alujesty's Government were not connected in any man-
ner with any scheme for the main drainage of the me-
tropclis. All her Majesty's Government intended and
professed to do by the bill was to place the Metropoli-
tan Board of Works in a position to carry into effect
plan they might consider best calculated to attain
the re,ult desired. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. S. WORTLEY said the difficulty was, that what.
ever the inter.fion of her '.Majesty's Government might
be, the bid pledged the house to the intercepting system.
Mr. SHERIDAN urged that the public offices should
contribute towards the proposed expense.
The house then divided. The numbers were—
For going into committee 133
Against it
Majority —122
The house then went into committee on the bill.
On cause 1,

Mr. lIE A.DLIM moved after "speed," leave out to
the end rf the clause, and insert "such works as may
be necessary for purifying the Thames and improving
:.he drainage of the metropolis." If his amendment %as
agreed to he should next move the omission of clause 2,
when the bill would express no opinion on any particu-
lar scheme of drainage and the purification of the
Thames. ([fear, bear.)
The clause was under discussion at 4 o'clock, when
the house suspended its sittings.
The house resumed at 6 o'clock, and was
[LEFT BITTING.]