The Sun.
London, England, 1867-08-15 00:00:00

IDIPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF LORDS—Tars EVENING.

Their lordships assembled at four o'clock.
THE REFORM BILL—ROYAL ASSENT.
This afternoon, at twenty minutes past four,
the Royal Assent was given to the Reform Bill by
Commission. The Royal Commissioners, the Lord
Chancellor, the Earl of Malmesbury, and Lord
Colville of Culross, having taken their seats in their
scarlet robes in front of the throne, the Deputy
Usher of the Black Rod was directed to summon
the Commons to their lordships' house. The stately
official then quitted the house and proceeded to the
door of the House of Commons, and having knocked
and obtained admission to the house, he advanced
to the table, and there summoned the Speaker to
the House of Peers to hear the royal assent given
to several bills.
The Speaker at once quitted the chair, and fol-
lowed Black Rod to the bar of the House of Peers
attended by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr.
Gathorn Hardy, Lord John Manners, the Hon. J.
Mowbray, Mr. Crawford, Mr. Locke, and about

twenty other members.
The house of Peers presented a very deserted
appearance. With the exception of the Lords Com-
missioners, there were on the Government side only
two peers present, viz., Lord Colonsonsay and Lord
Denman, each of whom occupied seats at either
end of the row of benches. On the Opposition side
Lord Westbury, Viscount Ev.ersley, and two other
peers were the members of their lordships house
present: they occupied seats on the front row nearest
the woolsack, on the left of the throne.
The LORD CHANCELLOR having informed
the Speaker that her Majesty had given her royal
assent to several bills, directed the clerks to state

the same in the usual form.
The Clerk of the Parliament then called out the
names of the respective bills, the first of which

was :
THE REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE
BILL.

The Naval Knights of Windsor Bill.
Public Health (Scotland) Bill.
Master and Workinens' Bill.
Factory Act Extension Bill.
Railways (Ireland) Bill.
Purchase of Land (Ireland) Bill.
And two or three other private bills relating to
railways.
The SPEAKER having bowed, the Lord Chancellor
and the other Commissioners raised their hats, and
her Majesty's faithful Commons ivithdrew. Thus
closes the great struggle for Reform for the year
1867.
Their Lordships then adjourned during pleasure.
Their Lordships resumed at five o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
On the motion for the third reading of the London,
Chatham, and Dover Railway Bill,
Lord WESTBURY said that no machinery was pro-
vided to ascertain the expenditure from time to
id time,
some
and,
as to the amount of mortgages, they ought toprove
judicial authority, and he moved that certain words rela-
tive to this point should be left out, which would
provide an inquiry into these matters judicially.
Lord REDESDALE thought it better to pass the bill,
and at some future period make such alterations as might
be considered
necessary.
After a few remarks from other noble lords, the bill was
read a third time, and passed.
INCREASE OF EPISCOPATE BILL.
Lord LYTTLETON moved the consideration of the
Commons' amendments, and that those amendments be
agreed to. II,) thanked the members of the other
hihm by
ouse
for the great assistance which had been given to
them in amending the bill, especially Sir R. Palmer. The
House of Commons had varied the sth clause, whi
as ch
to gave
authority to the new suffragan bishops, and also the
positions of the canons, which they slightly altered. The
amendment of the constitution of the capitular body
pr o
wasvimsion forn election to thost covenient. By e
snew seesaid 4th clalthough arrange-
ause there was no
menu was made for election to the old ones. The Com-
mons by clause seven adopted the system of election
to the new sees on the basis of the old one.
With regard to the question of increase to the new Sees,
some alterations had been made by the House of Com-
mons, but he trusted that they would not be ac-
cepted, as he should not like to see it reduced.
He also trusted that the clause excluding the new
bishops from the House of Lords would not be
agreed to, as it would destroy the old hereditary
feeling that bishops should have a seat in their lordships'
house, and, with a few exceptions, he considered it highlY
important they should have a seat.
Lord DERBY said that he felt that a moderate increase
of the Episcopate was necessary, but he could not
approve, with the noble lord, of the
amendments
regarding the position of the ecclesiastical authorities
What they had done by this amendment was to leave
practically the option of electing . new bishops in the
hands of the ecclesiastical commissioners. He living
hisin
Cornwall might come forward to found a new see iuht
county, and he might find the £4,000 a year, or a -
ever it might be, but the ecclesiastical commissioners
might refuse to do so unless he agreed to certain.condi
tions. The noble earl considered that it was degra.ding to
the position of the bishops that their income should be
to the seats in the House of Lords on an aver
totaled by the Eccleasiastical Commissioners.aglonarehliasthirooenp-
chester they fairly succeeded one her.o.
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(LEFT &PEAKING.)
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The SPEAKER took the chair a s
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Secretary to the Treasury whe-
Mr. LAIRD asked tali('
Aon as to accepting tenders
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oi the East India, China, and Austra-
for the conveyance vern tor
gnitviwugonalud
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porar arrangement might be requisite for
the subject; and, if in consequence of postponing the de-
cision any
tem y o-
the c'onveyace of the mails, whether her Majesty's G_
vernmeut had made or were prepared to make such arrange-
ment.
Den.
al said, as matedcotract with the Peninsular and
Oriental Company ter on the 2d of February, Par-
liament NV ou 1 d be prevented expressing an opinion on the
new contract until it was accepted. The Peninsular and
Oriental Company had offered to continue their present
contract for six mouths longer at an increase of Ws. per
mile, but as that was considered exorbitant, the Govern-
ment hadeclined. Great misapprehension existed with re-
spect to the Messageries Imperiales; it was never the inten-
tion of the Government to give the contract for conveying
the English mailTsHE FO to IndiaRTIFIC to any
ATIO foreignNS country.
.

In reply to Mr. O'BEIRNE,
Sir J. PAKINGTON said it was intended to make ex-
periments at targets representing accurately the iron walls
and shields of the fortifications at present in course of
erection at Portsmouth, Plymouth, Portland, and Pem-
broke. The experiments would be carried out by firing the
heaviest guns at present ou board any of the ships of the
royal navy, and at the shortest distances; it was not at all
likely ships of war would approach the forts.
Lord E'LCIIO thought the experiments would be much
more satisfactory if instead of targets a complete section of
the fortifications should be experimented upon; and with
respect to the power of the guns, he should like to know
if it was to be limited to those guns only in her Majesty's
navy.
Sir J. PAKINGTON said the targets woilld be made to
represent tho strength of the iron walls and shields, and
the great desire was to have a satisfactory and effectual
trial, 119 t 41910 that PY IPreigu lAvy carritd

heavier guns than those on board her Majesty's ships. H_
should feel happy in consulting with the noble load pre
vious to the experiments being tried.
Colonel SYKES asked whether it was intended to place
iron shields on the granite walls.
Sir J. PAKINGTON replied in the negative.
JUDGE OF TllE ADMIRALTY COURT.

In reply to Mr. GRAVES,
Mr. HARDY said he believed that the patent of the new
judge was now not only made out but sealed. (Hear, hear.)
GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS.
Mr. GRAVES asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if
a pair of engines of about 700 horse power, ordered from
Messrs. Napier and Co, about six years since, was still
lying in their factory ' • aud, if so, to state what ship they
were intended for and why they have not been used ; aud
whether those engines were not recently offered for resale
to Messrs. Napier and Co.; and, if s,, to state the price
offered by that firm.
Mr. CORRY said there were some engines that were
ordered in the year 1860 at present lying- at Messrs.
Napier's 3 and ; they were ordered for a fifty-gun frigate
which had been partly constructed, but in consequence of
the change that had been occasioned by the introduction
of armour clads, the building of the vessel was suspended,
and she was eventually taken to pieces. The reason the
engines were not put into another vessel was because they
were not constructed in accordance with new improve-
ments, and also because it would be unwise to build a ship
in order to make use of the engines. An offer had been
made for the purchase of the engines, but as the
sum, £lO,OOO, was not considered sufficient it was de-
clined. The engines were to cost the Government £28,000,
and £2,000 for fitting them to the vessel. The former
sum had been paid to Messrs. Napier, but of course the
latter had not. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
PRIVILEGE.

On the motion that the Speaker do leave the chair to go
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particularly interested in the debate.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
when a question of privilege was being brought forward
the greatest latitude was always allowed, but it had given
him, and ho was sure every other gentleman present, pain
to hear the Speaker, who tilled one of the highest positions
in the kingdom—(hear, hear, and cheers)—and who was
entitled to the highest respect—(hear, hear, and clieers)—
addressed in the manner the hon. gentleman had done.
(Hear, hear.) He therefore begged to ask whether the
matter before the house involved any question of privi-
lege. (Cheers.)
The SPEAKER said had the question affected any
other perscn but himself, he should have stopped the
hon. member for Peterborough sooner than he had done.
He should have liked the subject to have closed there, but
the House would permit him to say one word or two as to
what occurred. The hon. gentleman had spoken to him
relative to a gentleman who was desirous of being present
during the debate. He told them that yesterday he had
applied for admission of one gentleman, which was
granted ; but instead of confining the admission to one
person, three had been introduced, and that he considered
such a proceeding unbecoming and improper. The hon.
gentleman had begun his observations with a mis •
statement, he had never refused admission to
any gentleman, and he was only too glad to
grant a place under the gallery to Mr. Beales, but
and on making application to the Speaker for the admis-
sion of Mr. Beales to-day the favour had been refused
him, the Speaker informing him that last night the ad-
mission he had obtained for Mr. Beales had been, without
his consent, extended to two other persons, and therefore
he declined to have further communication with him on
the subject. He stated that ho knew nothing of the three
persons admitted, but he distinctly stated, when he was
applying for admission to the seats under the gallery, that
Mr. Beales and Colonel Dickson might be admitted. The
Speaker had also told him that nothing he could state
with respect to his recollection of the matter would alter
his (the Speaker's) impression of what he had said. He
claimed the right—
Col. NORTH rose to order; he should like to know
what was the breach of privilege the hon. member com-
plained of ?
The SPEAKER said they were waiting to hear.
Mr. WHALLEY said he would inform tifb house of that
when he had sufficiently collected himself. (Hear, hear,
and laughter.) lie could say for himself that he did men-
tion the name of Col. Dickson, and he thought it was too
much for the Speaker to say he did not, because he did not
hear distinctly. (Cries of "Order, order," "Chair, chair.")
lustead of refusing he had only asked the hon. member
for Peterborough to wait until be had disposed of some
business in which he was engaged, when he addressed
him before they spoke on the subject ho had mentioned.
(Hear, bear.) lie extremely regretted that he should have
been compelled to address those few words to the house.
Mr. WRALLEY again rose but was met by strong cries
of " Order, order."
The SPEAKER said he was compelled to say there
was no question before the house in which the hon. gel-
had a right to speak.
The Hos. MEMBER again attempted to address the
house, but the Speaker, without taking the slightest
notice, put the question, which being carried, he left the
chair, and the house went into committee on the
ULATION OF THE PARKS BILL.
Mr. DENMAN moved that the chairmaa report pp-
He said the bill was one that could not pass during
greys.
the present session, and therefore be hoped it would not be
Pressed forward by the Govereineut.
Mr. GILPIN hoped the Government would not go on
with the bill, even though the first clause had been given
It was one that could lead to encasenoth theartburn-
up. bent; th it would be
iugs and discontent, and that•
but an act of prudence fur the Government to entirely
withdraw the bill.
Mr. HARDY bald the observations that had been made
on that occasion were muct more model-pee than formerly
was the case. Ile could not, however, state the course it
was iuteuded tu pursue with respect to the bill before the
question before the committee was disposed of.
A brief debate ensued, in which it was suggested that
the Government should portion off a small part of Hyde
Park asa place where public meetings might be held. Tho
adoption of such a reasonable proposal, it was stated, would
prove acceptable to all parties.
Dal Man ,
motion that
s •
The house then divided on Mr.
the Chairman leave the chair, when there appeared—
For the motion .................................31
Against it .............................. . 86
Majority against the m0ti0n......... —55
Mr. B. COCHRANE hoped, after such a satisfactory
decision, the Government would drop the bill for the pre-
sent session. Thep rinciple had been vindicated, and
therefore he hoped they
.would agree to his suggestion.
The debate was carried on till ten minutes to seven,
when Air. DODSON left the chair.