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JULY 6, 1858.

theless, felt that the theological chairs in their universi-
ties ought, in order to make them efficient, to be main-
tained respectably ; and he therefore hoped the com-
missioners would, out of the existing funds at their
disposal for such purposes, allocate a sufficient sum to

support the theolo-r,ical chairs in the Scotch universities,
in a manner to enable the principals and professors to
discharge their duties with the dignity and efficiency
which should appertain to them.
The committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the proviso lO2
Against it
Majority against it —l6
The bill was then ordered to be read a third time to-
morrow (Tuesday),
SALE AND TRANSFER OF LAND (IRELAND)

,BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill, when
Mr. DOBBS moved an amendment on clause 87
making the duty uniform in all cases, and fixing it at 11.
per cent, on all property instead of 103. per cent. on
property under 10,0001.
/The amendment was withdrawn owing to some infor-
mality, and
Mr. VANCE moved an amendment to reduce the
rate to an uniform duty of 103. per cent.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON opposed the amendment, as
it would prevent the court being self-supporting, as it
was intended to be.
Mr. J. D. FITZGERALD thought there should be
a maximum duty of 11, per cent, to be graduated accord-
ing to the rule of Court. He thought it was proceeding
upon a wrong ground to attempt to make the court self-
supporting.
Mr. WHITESIDE contended that the plan proposed
by him was just and equitable. The bulk of the pur-
chasers were in truth under 10,0001. At the per centage
fixed, 15,0001. a year would be the result, Exclusive of
5,0001., which they expected to squeeze out of the Bank;
and 20,000/. would be amply sufficient, they calculated,
to defray all the expenses of the court. So long as the
poor paid stamps and fees, so should the rich,
After a few words from several Hon. ?Jembers,
Mr. WILSON said the proposition of the Attorney-
General for Ireland was contrary to recent legislation,
to all commercial practice, and all sound principles of
social science, and he hoped the house would not agree
to it.

Mr. WALPOLE said the principle on which the bill
was framed was an exceedingly simple one. The object
of his right hon. friend was to achieve an object of great
importance to individuals, and at the same time to make
the court self supporting. (Hear, hear.) The whole
matter amounted to this, that if parties having a large
estate to dispose of thought that one per cent. was too
high a price to pay for the advantage, they would not
come into the court at all. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. ORMSBY GORE would vote that the court
should he self-supporting.
Mr. VANCE said his only object was to have a uni-
form rate, and not to prevent the court from being self-
supporting.

The committee then divided, and the numbers were—
For th,i amendment
Ag.t.ust,
Majority for the clause i3
Mr. WHITESIDE moved to add, at the end of the
clause, a provision to enable the Lords of the Treasury
to lower or raise the rate of duty from time to time
within the limit of the maximum, according as the rate
shall seem sufficient to provide a fund for the support of
the court.

The motion was agreed to.
Colonel GREVILLE next moved to add a proviso at
the end of the clause, that no such duty be payable in
respect of property sold in pursuance of an order of the
Commissioners of the Encumbered Estates Court, made
before the .passing of this act. The Government could
not consistently advocate a retrospective action in this
clause, and his motion should be acceded to as a measure
that was only reasonable and fair.
Mr. WHITESIDE consented to the motion, which
wra then agreed to ; and the clause, as amended,
ordered to stand part of the bill.
On clause Bs,
Mr. ENNIS moved to leave out the words, "public
securities," and insert " public funds ;" and to add, " or
in the stock of the Bank of England, or of the Bank of
Ireland respectively." Re thought it was highly im-
politic to exclude the public money from these invest-
rnents, and he felt sure the concession would work ad-
vantageously.
Mr. J. G. HAMILTON consented to the first part of
the amendment, but objected to the latter.
The first amendment was then agreed to, and the last
negatived.
After a desultory discussion, in which several mem-
bers took part, the cause was agreed to, as were also
clauses 89 and 90.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for Ireland moved
the insertion of a clause to follow clause 51. The effect
of this clause would be to cause due publicity to any
application to the court for a declaration of title, such
declaration not to be signed by the judge until the ex-
piration of three calendar months after the publication
of the rule.
Agreed to.
The preamble was then agreed to, and the house re-
sumed.

CLERK OF PETTY SESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
The house went through committee on this bill.
CIVIL BILLS, &c.. (IRELAND) ACT AMEND-
MENT BILL.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for Ireland moved
the second reeding of this bill.
Mr. COGAN obj-icted to proceeding with the bill at
so late an hour (a quarter to ono o'clock). He moved
that the debate be now adjourned.
The motion was azreed to.
THE FOUR COURTS (DUBLIN) EXTENSION

of Arts, and it was the general opinion that the plan
would never pay as a commercial speculation, because
the deposit was not of sufficient value to pay for trans-
port to any distance.
Chairman—As far as the experiment at Leicester has
gone, you are of opinion that it has been successful?
Witness—Yes.
Chairman—And that it might be successfully adopted
on a larger scale in London ?
Witness—Yes ; I have a scheme which I think would
be very successful if adopted. It is to construct two
tunnels, and to collect the whole of the sewage at two
receptacles, and then, having deodorised the sewage, to
allow the clear to run into the river, and then pump the
deposit on to some waste land. I should apply Hate to
the sewage as it ran into the conduits.
Mr. Tite—How many tons of this solid would have to
be barged away each day ?
Witness—About 400 tons. I don't propose to use
barges at all. The deposit is not a solid ;itis a kind of
sludge, about 1 in 50 ; and I propose to use a pump,
and to convey it through pipes on to some waste laud,
which I think could be found on the South-Western
line.

Sir B. Hall—What is the space occupied by the
works at Leicester, with its 60,000 inhabitants?
Witness—The works are much larger than is neces-
sary.

Sir B. Hall—What is the space occupied by the sew-
age works ?

- Witness—l don't recollect. The place is surrounded
by fields. I should think there was more than an acre.
Sir B. Hall—Then that space could not be obtained
in London. Your scheme, as I understand it, is to
embank the Thames, and within that embankment to
construct tunnels to convey the sewage to two conduits,
and there, after deodorisation, to run eff the clear and
pump off the sludge to a given point. What is the level
of your proposed tunnels ?
Witness—The bottoms below low water mark.
Sir B. Hall—Are you sure that your level would be
low enough to receive the whole of the outfalls of the
existing sewers?

Witness—l would rather that the engineer who is in
attendance should answer that question.
Sir B. Hall—Where do you find this waste land you
spoke of

- Witness—On the South-Western line, about 20 miles
from London.

Mr. R. Stephenson—According to your scheme the
waste land would have to be bought to which your de-
posit would be carried. Now, what is the use of buying
land to convey that to it which is valueless
Witness—lt would not be valueless. Waite sandy
land could be bought very cheap, and sold, after it had
been so uiauured, at a profit.
The Chairman here announced that the committee
had been so overwhelmed with plans that they felt it
utterly impossible, owing to the shortness of the time
previous to the prorogation of Parliament, to do more
than merely to inquire into a limited selection. They
might not be fortunata in that selection, yet he hoped
the public would rest assured that the only object of the
committee was to arrive at the moat satisfactory result
possible.
Tl:c eammitteß then adjourned.