The Sun.
London, England, 1867-04-12 00:00:00

DEBATE.

The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER, iu moving
that the house at its rising adjourn until the 29th inst.,
:aid nit h respect to tho termination of the adjourned de-
bate, all ho could say was that the question on which the
debate arose did nut ariso from his silo of the house. It
was, however, the wish of her Majesiy's Government. that
the division should take place that evening:
Mr. OSBORNE said he wished to interpose a question
to the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer. lie had seen a document of a very extraordinary
nature, which two members of that house, the hon. mem-
ber for Swansea (Mr. Dillwyn) and the hon. and gallant
member for Dublin county. The document was. to the
effect that certain propositions had been made by some mem-
bers of his side of the house to Col. Taylor. (Hear.) The
document stated that Colonel Taylor had accepted the
amendment of Mr. Hibbert, and that Mr. Disraeli and
Lord Derby had also agreed to it. What he wanted to
know was whether the matter had been submitted to the
Cabinet.

Mr. DILLWYN said it was quite true that he had had
a conversation with the hon. member for Dublin county.
It was with respect to the adjournment, and he had
thought some compromise might yet be effected. Ho
thought that without something of the kind was done the
labour of passing the Reform Bill would be almost insur-
mountable. He had jotted down certain matter very
hurriealy in the lobby and shown it to Colonel Taylor,
and he had not thought h• was precluded from showing
it to his friends.

Colonel EDWARDS thought it was a most unfair
attack upon Colonel Taylor, and he should like to know
whether the lion. member for Notts had had the common
courtesy to give that hon. and gallant gentleman notice of
his intention to ask the question.
Mr. OSBORNE said he had had the cemmon courtesy
to inform Colonel Taylor that he intended to bring the
matter forward.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
motion to which reference had been made was quite un-
known to him. With respect to his having consulted
with the Earl of Derby on the subjectlit was absurdly
erroneous. (Cheers.) The noble earl, he was happy to
say, was improving in health, yet ho (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) had not thought it right to
trouble him with any public business at pre-
sent. He very much regretted his gallant friend,
Col. Taylor, who had met with an accident that day, was
not in his place, because, doubtless, he would be able to
satisfy the house as to the part he had taken in the matter.
He could not say how deep would be his regret if any
word uttered in a private and friendly conversation was
to be made the subject of a solemn point of inquiry. He
thought the whole matter was nothing more than a mare's
nest. (Hear, hear, and loud laughter.)
Sir G. GREY said if the document was shown to mem-
bers with the view of influencing their votes, it was a
matter that demanded the serious attention of the house.
Lord ELCHO said he should like to know why tho hon.
member for Anglesey, who had been one of those who had
seen the document, had not brought forward the matter
instead of the hon. member for Marlborough.
Mr. 0. STANLEY said ho was asked whether, in the
event of its becoming necessary, he would rise in his place
in Parliament, and say that he had seen the document.
He said he would. (Hear, hear.) He was not shown the
paper as a private document, and he considered it was
used for the purpose of influencing votes. (Hear, hoar,
and ironical cheers.)
Lord STANLEY said her Majesty's Government
entered into the debate on the reputation of the People's
Bill free and unplodged. (Hear, hear, and loud cheers).
There was no understanding direct or implied with any
member as to concessions. (Loud cheers.) The Govern-
ment remained perfectly steadfast to the main purposes of
the, bill and be begged to assure the house, would do
so to the last. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. GLADSTONE said the speech of the noble lord was
quite worthy of him. (Cheers.) It was au open and can-
did expression of opinion that did him honour, and ad-
mitted of no mistake. (Hear, hear.) He hoped hon.
gentlemen on his (the Opposition side) of the house would
fall in with the general wish, that the vote on the question
of prompt payment of rates should be taken that evening.
(Hear, hear.)
The subject then dropped, and the motion for the
adjournment of the house to the 29th was agreed to.

REPRESENTATION OP THE PEOPLE BILL.

The house thou went into committee on this bill.

Mr. ROEBUCK, on resuming the adjourned debate on
cause 3, supported the clause as it stood in the bill. His
object in doing so was to get for the people of England a
Reform Bill during the present session, which he was
certain was not the object of those who
brought forward the amendment to the clause. Ho
did not know the bitterness of loss of office, because he
had never been in that position, but it seemed to him
to be the desire of those out of office to regain it by
jumping over the heads of those who at present en]oyed the
enviable distinction. To show that he was sincere in his
desire for the passing of the bill, he should vote for the
clause of the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the
Exchequer.
Mr. B. HOPE rose, and was
(LEFT SPEAKING.)