The Sun.
London, England, 1867-08-13 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, AuGusT 13, 18077,

THE CREDIT FONCIER OF ENGLAND
(Limited). .
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, that the HALF-
YEARLY GENERAL MEETING of this Company will
be held on MONDAY, the 19th August, 1867, at Exeter
Iran, Strand, London, at 12 o'clock at noon precisely.
The Transfer Books of the Company will ho CLOSED
fron. Thursday, the 15tb, to Monday, the 19th August,
both days inclusive.

By order of the Court of Directors,
ALFRED LOWE. Secretary,
St..Clment's Rouse, Clement's-lane,
London, E.C., August 9, 1867.

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therefore leaseholds and copyholds of .f,3 should alsoconfer
ono, it should be borne in mind that no leasehold interest is
equivalent in value or in point of stability to a fen simple.
and that when the Parliament of 1832 retained the 40:

freehold franchise, they deliberately decided that, notwith-
standing that: the copyhold and leasehold franchise should
be fixed at LW. Then the House of Commons say that the
£5 copyholders are well qualified to exercise the franchise
But that is begging the question. I do not say they :re
not, but the onus probandi lies on those who wish to admit
them, and not on these who desire to maintain the present
qualification. Those who will gain a vote under this frau-
chiso•within.represented boroughs will be those who are
the lessees of an unoccupied an.l unimproved block of land,
not worth more than £3 annually ; while those who have
improved their property and have buildings upon it, w:
be disqualified as voters for the county because their tenants
will by its occupation be qualified as borough voters. Then
the Ironse_of Commons say that, as the other provisions of
the bill tend to increase the number of voters qualified by
occupation, and proportionably to diminish those qualified
by property, it is desirable to increase the latter by reduc-
ing the cokhold and 'leasehold franchise in the way pro-
posed. But can any ono suppose that leasel:olders holding
property worth £5 a year on lease; haiing only ono or two
years to run or dependent on iv single life, represent a
stable proprietary interest in contradiction to a franchise
arising from occupation ? •H the House of Commons is so
anxious to increase proprietary rights as against those
connected' with occupation, I want to know why they
forced on the Government the lodger franchise, and struck
out franchises based on deposits in the savings bank.?, and
on the payment of taxes, that really were connected with
the representation of property.?
.So much for the reasons
of the House of Commons. I think, hcwevcr, as I have
already said, that it is mos nndesirablo that-your lord-
ships should
.differ from that hoes) on any point .that is
not of considerable' or paramount Importance. Now the
number of voters placed on the register under this clause
will not, except in two or three Counties—Cheshires
Staffordshire, and Lancashire—be very considerable, nor
will their admission exercise any considerable effect. I
cannot say that I have much respect for the reasons as-
signed by the House of, Commons, but considering the
majority by which they rejected your lordships' amend-
ments, I cannot flatter myself that there is any chance
of their altering their mind, or that any good would result
from a conference between the two houses, which is of all
forms the most unmeaning. The only other matter of
importance is the rejection of the amendment relating to
voting papers. I think that the introduction of polling
papers would undoubtedly have facilitated the access to
the poll of a large number of persons who are now ex-
cluded, and that in counties it would have greatly dimi-
nished the expense of elections. But, on the other hand,
the House of Commons wore apprehensive that it might
increase bribery, corruption, and intimidation. They seem
to have thought that the machinery which we had devised
could not obviate the dangers incident to the introduction
of the system. But even although this clause should be
excluded from the bill, it dies not introduce anything
objectionable. It would have been an accessory—a valu-
able accessory to the -bill—but its omission does not pre-
judice the' useful parts of the bill. It relates to a subject
which can again be brought under the 'consideration of
ParliaMent, and so satisfied am I of the wisdom and jus-
tice of the proposal that I am sure we shall eventually
see it adopted.' Therefore, seeing that the rejection of the
amendment does not introduce anything objectionable in
the bill, I do not think that it would- bb wise to insist
upon it. I hope that further refleCtion will. satisfy the
House of Commons and the country, that with proper pre-
cautions, this principle may be introduced with the greatest
advantage, with a great increase in the number of those who
are practically admitted to the franchise, with no addition to
bribery and corruption, and certainly with a considerable
diminution of that sort of intimidation which arises from
tumult and disturbance. On the first occasion when this
subject was before thorn the proposhion to introduce voting
papers was rejected by a majority of 38. - On the last
occasion, although, with a view to disarm opposition, the
proposition was limited to the introduction of voting papers
in counties, the adverse majority was increased to 52, in a
House, including pairs—who, by the way, must have
voted without having heard the debate —(a laugh)- of
more than GOO members. Consequently any hope of
diminishing that majority would be quite illusory. This
being the case, I should submit to your lordships that you
should be satisfied with the important concession that in
one respect has been made to your lordships' feelings and
opinions, and that you should not run any risk of losing
a measure so important and so deeply interesting to the
country. Although I cannot say that the bill is altogether
*such as I would wish to sdnitiyet I expect it will prove a
settlement of a question of peramouut importance: and
under that c nviction I must be excused for moving that
your lordships do not insist on'your amendments, with the
exception of ono or two of a purely verbal and technical
character, about which no difficulty can arise.
The Marquis of SALISBURY, who was nearly inaudi-
ble in the gallery, expressed his regret at the coursetaken
by the House in rejecting the clause sanctioning the use
of voting papers. Ho was convinced that it would have
led to a much larger proportion of electors recording their
votes than can bo induced to do so under a system which
compels them in many cases to run the gauntlet of a shower
of ratten eggs and brick-bats. Considering, however,
that the subject could be again introduced to the attention
of Parliament in a future session, he was not prepared to
ask their lordships to insist upon their amendment.
Earl STANHOPE said, that although ho was prepared
to concur in the motion of the noble lord at the head of
the Government, 'he could not do so without some regret ;
for ho believed that the adoption of voting papers would
prevent rioting and turbulence at borough, and inordinate
expenses at county elections. For his own part, if
voting papers had been once introduced he should have
looked forward to a time when their use would have been
not only permissive, but obligatory in county elections.
He must, however, admit that the reasons given by the
Premier for not insisting upon this amendment aro con-
clusive. At the same time he should not be ready to give
way had the other house rejected the securing the repre-
sentation of minorities in three-cornered constituencies.
He confessed that he entertained considerable misgivings
as to the effect of this bill. Ile thought that a more mode-
rate measure would have obtained the sanction of Parlia-
ment; but as this bill is about to become law ho was not
disposed to indulge in any gloomy forebodings with
respect to it. He trusted that it would prove beneficial to
the country, that the working classes would prove them-
selves worthy of the confidence reposed in them, and that
men of intelligence, property, and position would not (as
has happened in the United States under a franchise
equally extensive) be deterred from taking part in public
life. It is the duty of every ono to do his best to secure
the successful working of this bill; and he could only ex-
press his hope that if unhappily any attacks should here-
after be made upon the Church, the fundamental institu-
tions of the country, or the right of property, it will not
be found difficult to resist them by the combined opposition
of the classes who are most interested in the stability of
the country. •
The Earl of CLANCARTY expressed his regret that
the House of Commons had declined to assent to the
adoption ef voting papers.
The Earl of HARROWBY did not desire that the house
should insist upon these amendments, but at the same time
he trusted that the subject of voting papers would receive
further attention, and that in some future session a
measure would be passed for their adoption. Ho must,how-
ever, congratulate tho house upon the sanction given by
the House of Commons to the principle of the representa-
tion of minorities. He trusted that the application of that
principle would be carried further than is done by the pre-
sent bill. •

Earl RUSSELL said that ho not only assented to the I
conclusion coma to by the noble earl, that that house
should not insist on these amendments, but ho entirely
concurred in the course taken by the House of Commons.
ll° thought they were quite justified in adhering to the
reduction of the copyhold and leasehold qualification, and
he also agreed with them in the opinion that the introduc-
tion of voting papers woulikhave-afforded increased facili-
ties for bribery and intimidation. lie trusted that if any
bill for the adoption of voting papers should hereafter pass
the house, the lower house would refuse their assent to it.
For although a great deal is said about the interruption of
elections by riots and tumults under the present system, he
must say that, having attended many elections, ho had
never seen any riots or tumults. (A laugh.) It was then
too late to enter upon any discussion as to the general
merits of the bill. He could only express his hope that
the newly enfranchised electors will exercise their powers
wisely, and that every one who is in a position to do so
will exercise his influence and do his best to promote the
Thesuccessful
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r-sqv
sk working gwo fEtshit II contended that votingi I
papers are absolutely necessary as a protection to voters
in Ireland.
It was then resolved that the house should not insist
upon any of thoir amendments, except one or two of a
purely verbal character, which are rendered necessary by
an oversight on the part of the House of Commons.

steps hul hocul taken Avldeh wen) calculated ti► bring
nearly nil the parties engaged in the- transaction to ju.N-
tice. (Hear, hear.)
RIFLING HEAVY ORDNANCE.

Mr. BLAKE asked the Secretary fur War whether any
report had been recently received at till War-office from
the Ordnance Select Committee on Captain Scott':► claims
for reward for his system for rifling heavy ordnance; and,
if so, whether there was any objection to lay a copy of
same upon th'e table of the house. •
Sir J. PAKINGTON saidlui had rec•ive'l a report on
the subject, and as Scott was the only obi► of the
competitors who had not received it reward, it had been
determined•to ply over to him an amount similar to that
given to others