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STATE OF DEFENCE OF THE COUNTRY.

The Maryitis of STAFFORD rose to ask the
Noble Secretary of State, if the same causes which
he had formerly urged for postponing the Motion of
-which he (the IVI-trquis) had given notice on a former
night, and which now stood for to-morrow, still
continued to exist ? If they still existed he should
now move that the Order be discharged,. and stand
€.ot- Monday.
Lord HAW KESBURY declared that the same
reasons which had induced him on a former night to
apply to the Noble Marquis to postpone his Motion,
operated at thisonoment. He therefore hoped that
the Noble Marquis. would again postpone his Mo-
tion. Should he insist on bringing it forward, the
Noble Lord should unquestionably be ready to meet
the discussion ; .but, as he had already said, causes
existed Which rendered it desirable to desist from
agitating any businesl; of importance at vresent.
Lard MELVILLE said, that nothing was farther •
from his intent ion than to give any unnecessary trouble '
to the Noble Secretary of Sate or to the douse. ,
If, however, Ministers did not chase to explain
what were the obstacles to the discussion of the itn-
portant question intended to be brought forward by
the Motion af ahe Noble Marquis, or what were
the causes which rendered a postponement of that
MAion advisable, he must be allowed, in agreeing to
the desire of the Noble Secretary of State,- or put
his own interpretation on those obstacles or causes
of delay. He begged it, therefore, to be understood
that, in consenting to the application of the Noble
Secretary, he proceeded on an impression that the
causes for postponing any measure of importance
which Were generally at thts m ,meet stated to be
the true cause of del :y, were those which aaually
operated irk inducing the Noble Secretary to apply
fur having the Motion of the Noble Marquis post-
poned. Under this impression he should agree to
the delay proposed.
The Question being about to be put,
Lord GRENFILLE rose, and stated, that he
heartily agreed in what had fallen from the Noble
Lod who spoke last. If causes similar to those
which were generally understood to exist did operate
at present, he shotild agreed with that Noble Lord, on
the precise undersaanding that these were the.aelitai
causes of delay, in concurring in the proposed post-
ponement of the Motion. If it was true, that His
Majesty was at this moment employed in exercising
that paternal care over his People, which was gene.
rally understoo;l- to engage his attention; if he was
endeavouring to meet their wishes, and in the most
effeaual way to provide for their safety and inde-
pindenee, it would indeed be highly unbecoming
' and irmproper to throw any stay toaimpediment in
the way of his paternal exertions. But was it fair,
was it open, or candid, that this gratifying cireum.
stance should be concealed from that House, .and
' from his People in general ? Was it proper that no
discloaure of a matter so great and important shOuld
he made, but that the postponement of measures of
the last moment should be grOunded on causes which
could not he revealed ? Under the impression-, and
on the understanding, expressed by the Nab:e Lord
who spoke last, he agreed that the Motion of the
Noble Marquis. be postponed till Monday. If no
satisfaaory declaration, however, were then made,
he, for one) should esteem it his duty, and the duty
of the Houses to Oppose any farther postponement.
of the Motion.
The Order for 'riday Was then read and dis-
charged, and, on the Motion of the Marquis of
STAFi'O2I), was ordered to stand for Monday.
VOTE OF THANKS TO MARQUIS WELLESLEY,

The Order of the D.'y for a Vote of Thanks to
the Marquis WELLEsLEY, and the other Civil and
Military Officers ir► India, and to our Forces there,i
fot their great Zeal and courage
.manifested in our
late successes in India, being read,
Lord HOB ART ruse to move a Vote of Thanks

from that House to those gallant Officers, and to
the Non-commissioned Officers and Privates who
had so zealously supported the cause and contributed
to the glory of this Country in the East Indies. In
moving this vote, he did not mean to extend it to the
policy of the War, hut merely to confine it to the
military successes with which, in its operation, it
had been crowned. Neither was it his intention to
confine the Vote of Thanks to the Noble Governor
General, but to extend it to the other Civil and
Military Governors in the difFerent establishments,
and to' the OffiCers, Non.commissioned Officers
and Privates in our Armies. His Lordship then

went through an enumeration of the different splen-
did successes which our Troops had experienced in
that quarter, which, he said, might more reasonably,
have been expefted to have been performed in three
CamOigns than in three months—and concluded by
moving the different Votes of Thanks.
Lord GRENVILL# rose, not to oppose the Mo-
tion, but to give it his entire and hearty concur-
rence, The Noble Marquis and he had been long
on terms of in:imate friendship, and the brilliant
exploits which the Army under his command had
performed, abstraaed from all political considert%.
trans, which he understood were not now btfore the
Notisc, desc: red their warmest thanks. In a coli-
tical point, of view, too, he was happy to think,
from a perusal of the Documents on the Table, that
the good faith and honour of the British Govern-
ment were, in the present initancei equally unspot-

IPRiCE SIXPENCEo

ed as their Military feats were transplendent and
uneAaniplett. Tbe. present IVlotion,, however, he
was happy to hear; did riot involve any diseusgion
on the polity of, the war, but was confined to the
military ciperatiOns which had occurred. . These, he
. , .
agreed; were great and unprecedented. The British
Arms had long been known with small numbets to
oVertotne legions of ineiperienced Troops, but here
the TroopS with. whoni we had to contend were
disCi'plitied by Officers belonging to the. tried and
inveterate foe of Europe (France). The discipline of
our foes was here acknowledged; and yet our Arms
had been crowned with equal success. The Noble
Lord expreised his iatisfaaion at thinking, that the
Vote of Thanks was not to be confined to the Noble
Marquis alcine; but to be extended to the Comman-
dirt -and other Ottcers. employed. - That he mighe
not ptAiti hakre 'occasion to trouble the. House, he
thought it his dtity then in eipiest.his Approbitioti
of that part of the Vote also.
Lord MULGRAVE Could not withhold his seri_
tinient of approbation of the Vote now
To the ekettion, skill, and bravery of the chief ob_
jea of it we were indebted, not for the successes
which had attended our Arms in this War, merely;
but for, part of those in the last.
Lord MELVILLE did not wish, however well
his sentiments had been expressed by other Noble-
Lords; to give a silent Vote on this occasion. He
had the honotir to enjoy a situation in the Affairs of
India, when the Noble Marquis to wham the pre.
sent Vote applied, was appointed to the, si,nation in
India: That Noble Marquis had the satisfaction of
thinking, that his egertions both in the former and
during the present war, had been equally meritori‘..
ous ; that he had in two difFerent places destroyed
an immense Army of the Enemy. He (the Noble
Viscount), Was therefore unwilling that a report of
this Vote of Thanks should reach the noble onjed
of it in a far' distant part of the world, without
knowing that his condua was approved by those
who had been instrumental in placing him iti that
situation. _ _

Louts fIAIVKESBURY, LIMERICK, and CAMDENO
also supported the different Votes of Thank, all of
which were unanimously agreed to.
Adjourned.

HOUSE OF. COMMONS.
THiIItSDAY, MAY 3.

The floUse having, pursuant to summons from the
Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, attended in the
House of Lords, the Speaker on their return an-
nounced, that the Royal Assent had been given by
Commission 'to the Eight and a Half Million Ex-
chequer Bills Bill, the Property Tax Amendment
Bill, the Rape-aced and Oil Importation Bili, the
Irish Militia Vay and Clothing Bill, the English
Militia Adjutant's Bill, the Irish Militia Offers of
Service Bill, the Irish Militia Augmentation Bill,
the Irish Linen Trade Regulation Bill, the Priests'
Orders Bill, the Scotch td iik Capital 13i11, the Dub-
lin Police Bill, and the Temple-Bo- Improvement
Bill, with several Private Bills.
A Petition was presented from the Debtors cm,-
fined in the jail of the County of Dublin. Ordered
to lie on the Table.
Mr. KERR presented a Petition from the Linen
Merchants and others conneded with the Linen
Trade in Belfast and Lishurn, in Ireland, against the
tax of 4. per cent, on Irish ,Linens. Referred to the
Committee appointed to consider the subject.
Mr. ROSE brought up the Report of the Commit.
tee appointed to try the merits. of the Stirling Elec.
tion. The Report declares, that
.the Hon. CHA.
ELPH I NSTONE FL 6E14 I NG, Who is the Sitting
Member, was July eleded ; and also that the Pc.
titions were not frivolous or vexatious.
An Account iwas . presented of the number of
Troops serving' as Marines on board our Ships of,
War.--Ordered to lie on the Table, and to be
prioted.
The Lords' AmEndments in the West India Dock
Bill, were considered and agreed to.
The Report of.khe Committee upon the Petitions
respeaing the eredion of a new Court House in the
City of Westtninsier, was taken into the considera.
tion of a Committee of the whole House, and the
Chairman was instruaed to apply to the House for
leave to bring in a Bill to alter and amend the Ads
of the 18th. and 39th •of His Majesty, which relate
to the ereftion of a Court House, S.te. Upon the
Liouse being resumed, the Chairman obtained leave
accordingly....
An Abstratot of the Returns made to Government,
in pursuance of an Ad of last Sessions, with respet
to the Poor's Rates, was., upon the motion of MI.
Rose, ordered to be laid before the House.
Mr. WI L B ERFORC E gtive notice, that he would
on Monday trove for leave to bring in a Bill for 'the
better regulation of Parish Workhouses.
'Mr. CORRY brought in a Bill for disposing of the
Archbishop of Dublin's Nike. Read a first,- and
ordered to be read a second time.
Mr. DILLON postponed Iris Motion with respect
to the Irisi. Catholics, which stood for-this day. 4
HANOVERIAN TROOPS, &c.
-Mr. Fox rose to say that he did not intend to
bring forward his promised Motion tomorrow, but
that he should postpone it till Monday ; and he
wished it to be understood, that he did not pledge
. himself that a continuance of .the present state• of
things would prevent him from submitting this NV,
tion to the Howe on that day.
INDIAN ARMY, &c.
LcrlC ASTLE RE AG H r:.se, pursuant to notice,-
to pr, posy Vote of Thanks to the Marquis W
LELLY, rite Officers 'and cd,.eerned in
achieving our successes in
Lord accoo,,trd for z!le. l%,st, orteme,,t
•1 to a period so lord the iutellivece several

of the brilliant ViClories in that quarter had reached
this Country. by stating, that Government waited
for the full official details, in or ter that the name of
no meritorious arcer shou d he omitted ; that in his
mark of: distinguished acknowledinent the s-rvices
of no man should he overlooked, who had any claim
to participate in the h•nour meant to he conferred
by a Motion of this nature, a Motion which he beg-
ged to -be understood as distindly confined to the
military transaCtions, from which he wished to se.
parate every thing of a 'civil or political nature, every
thing conneEted with the cause and origin of the
War. This would form a subjeCt for future discus-
sion. Whatever might have ken the policy which
prompted to the eommencemeht of the War, lie felt
it svgs due to the magnitude of the question, and to
csodour towards the Hon. Gentleman on the other
side (Mr. FRANCIS), to make it the (around of a
special examination, and not at all to blend it with
the Motion he had now the honour to submit to the
House. From that consideration, therefore, he
should confine himself on Pie present occasion to a
military view of the subjed; and he would not
call upon the House to pronounce any opinion
upon the other part of the transattion, which it
was not at all his desire to prejudge. Although im-
pressed with the persuasion, that nothing in his power
ro urge could advance the militarymetits of the several
Officers engaged, he would not attempt to chill the
feelings of the Country, which .must have been so
strongly excited and so highly elated, by the nar-
ration of the brilliant exploits which had been per-
formed—exploits which owed so Much to the previ.
ous arrangement and preparation of Marquis WEL-
LESLEY. Although he conceived the wisdom of
the original contrivance, and the skill and bravery
cf the execution, to be much beyond the reach of
any panegyric he could bestow, yet there were two or
three prominent features in this transataion, cf Which
he could not decline to take notice ; and first, he ob-
served, that Marquis WEtLESLEY, after loving
made ample provision for the security of our Indian
Empire, and after having sent a .considerable De-
tachinent to reinforce our Troops in Ceylon, was
able to bring into the field. against Scindia, &c. no
less a force than 55,000 effettive men. This served
to shew the vigorous exertion of the-Noble Marquis,
and the knowledge of the fact must be grateful to
the Country, as it afforded a proud display of .the
extent of our Military Resources in that quarter of
the Empire. Another meritorious point in she con-
&ICI of the Government of India, was the prompt
and judicious distribution of this force. Immediate-
ly after the rupture, the Troop's commenced their
operations at different and opposite points of the
Enemy's Territory. Every part of the plan of at-
tack manifested such a degree of skill and arrange-
ment on the part of Marquis \VELLESLEY, as par-
ticularly entitled his 'Lordship to the attention of
Parliament, and the gratitude of the Country- ; but
such judgment and vigilance could not excite stir-
prise, when it was recolleCled that they were evinced
by the same personage Who gave such signal proof
of the superiority of his mind, in the dete'tion and
overthrow of that inveterate Enemy of the British
interests in India, the !ate Sovereign of the Mysore.
Another distinguished trait in the choratler of this
War, the Noble Lord observed to be, the time in
which such important acquisitions to the fame of
our Arms and the security of our Empire had been
obtained. It appeared that all had been done in the
space of three months, during which General WEL-
L nu EY had conquered every thing from Scindia in
, the Guzerat, and the Dekan, while General LAKE
had subdued an immense arad of territory in another
quarter; and on the whole, those Officers, with the
other Detachments of our Force, had made more ex-
tensive Conquests, and obtained more decisive vitio-
tories,than could be found to have been achieved with-
in the same space of time in the annals of Military
History. If the force with which ourAr wy had to con_
teed consisted merely of the Natives of India, formed
atid arrayed as they ordinarily are, our glory would
tioolie confessed, he by any means so high; but it was
to.be remembered, that the Mahrattas Were a pOwer
materially different from the other Native Powers of
India, and that in this instance they were not only
disciplined, but officeied by Europeans. Having no-
ticed the success and the length of the campaign as
matter equally of surprise and triumph, the Noble.
Le rd expressed his hope that the House would excuse
him for derailing some particulars of its progress,
although he felt it would he impossible to describe it
altogether in terrnaof adequate justice. In the course
o the War there were eight places of great military
strength and importance captured by our Army, four
of which were taken by escalade, and in a manner,
Ire could venture to say from the best information,
not to suffer by a comparison With the most renowned
attacks of the same nature which occurred on the
Continent during the last War. The operations of
our Army, however, were not confined to sieges or
storming parties. They had equally distinguished
themselves in another species of warfare. They had
I)ught no less than four pitched battles, in two of
Which General WELLRSLEY commanded—in the
others General LAKE.--To compare the nature of
these victories, he felt was not the way to do justice
to either of the gallant Officers, for there was a pe-
culiar merit belonging to each. Their cases and
the circumstances conneEled with them were distinct
and separate. The Viactory of the z3d of Septem-
ber was paticolarly honourable to the courage and
skill of General WEL L EsLr Y. It was now known to
be a faCI, that with the. 4,500 Troops he command-
ed, he defeated a force hot less titan ten times that
number, and this defeat was the more astonish-
iftg'ets this beieribr fetes: was not Only formidable
from number hut from discipline—,it was acquainted
with tactics:--and as it was capable of the varieties
of Military evolution, it aCtually changed its posi-
tion fiae-differeto times in the course of the engage-
ment. In fa,ht, the fate of that day. was decided
by the. persevering bravery of our Troops, and.the
result plat US in possession or one hundred pieces of
carmoroo In tl e battle of the 30th of • N9vern-
bcr, the Kelpie I. >rd.-stated; that" cletter,al
also: had to coteoti with
,a disparity of numbers,
for the force of the Etir.!tny amounted to three. or fonr
times more than tltat which he coirtrnanded; 2r:l in
addition to this disadvantage, oiq, Army, within
I.,rty.eighturs before the :7 rv7l ::,.;nent commercs.:l,
marclid miles. 'lie House world feel
evraordi:afy inerit which belonged to an Army
th.c, circtoilst.;hces, coo(rer;. and.

particurarly when it was recolldied, that our That?,
left their Artillery behind them, and owed thtei
vieloay to their bayonets. The Enemy's Areariri.
thin engagemet-it, tilt Noble Lord stated to beszko4!
familiar, regular dik'c,lpline.; that the gOatete.
part of ',their Rat talions were wider the tomtit-4441
European Officers ; and that their Artillery was as'
well served as that of any of the Powers engaged in.
theelast Continental War. In alluding to, those. two
Officers and their deeds in particular, he hoped it
would not be supposed that he 'meant to throw the
other Officers and their Troops into the back ground
—as nothing could be more remote from his inter.
tion. He respeatd, and must even applaud their
gallantry. Their achievements were such as, he
had no doubt, would remain for ever impressed on
the annals and the feelings of their Country. When
rafting upon the House to proclaim and record its
atimiration'-and gratitude for such an Army, the
Noble Lord repeated, that he did not mean to look
for any thing that could have-a tendency to joatify
the policy of the war, and without entering into its
mcrits,would congratulate that House and theCoun.
try on one collateral effect of it—that it had eroduced
the complete disorganization of the whole Force of
Scindia, which had been trained up and organized
to annoy our possessions—to form a diversion in
that part of our Empire in favour of an old, jealous
rival, and now an inveterate -Enemy, whose emissa-
ries were employed to propagate their perfidious and
„envenomed views among the Chiefs of the Mehratta
Confederacy, and to communicate a knowledge of
discipline to the Mehratta Troops. Another salu-
tary effect of this War must be to advance the mili-
tary character of our Country—a thing, by the bye,
of the utmost consequence in the present times ; for,
in the military age in which we live% the high re-
putation of our ArMy was essential to our security.
It was a valuable part Of cur general character; and
it must be matter of proud contemplation for the
Country th oe growing as it was, in wealth, and in
that luxury which was its general concomitant, no
national debility had followed-a-our People had lost
nothing of the energy which uniformly characterized
Great Britain ; on the contrary, that energy seemed
to improve as danger pressed, and the laurels which
, our Troops had colleaed in the course of the last
War, were, by such events as those to which he al-
luded on the present occasion, refreshed and invigo.
rated. The monument of Fame, which was raised
by the British Army in Egypt, had been far exalt-
ed by the British Army in India. There was no
part of the world that had not witnessed our glory ;
and was it to be suppOsed that if any occasion arose,
that that glory would not be equally conspicuous
at home? He felt that it would be a Presump-
tion in any individual to wish that such an oc-
casion should occur—to express a desire for a con-
test with the Enemy on our own soil ; but he would
say that, after all the pompous and insulting menaces
of that Enemy, he could trace nothing in the state of
our preparations, in the spirit of Parliament or the
People, which could lead him to wish that the Enemy
should not 'come (a cry of ‘, Hear Hear !") If he
should come, sure he was that there was no ground to
fear for the result. It was obvious that the genius of
Englishmen, which could urge to such extraordinary
exertions in distant colonies, when ailed upon, by
all the important considerations which prompt to the
defence of liberty, independence, family, and home,
would rise to exertion and glory ofa still higher na-
ture. Should that day of trial come, he was con-
fident that our Army would trot be contented with
emulating even their Countrymen who had fought
in Egypt and India, but that the result of the Con-
test would be the source of joy, exultation, and gra.
titude, not only in their own Country, but through.
out the whole civilized world, the fate of which de-
pends on the decision of this Country. The Nettle
Lord concluded with moving the Thanks of the
House to the Most Noble RICHARD, Marquis WEL-
LESLEY, Governor General of India, for the zeal,.
energy, and ability, with which the Military
sources of his Government were applied in the late
War with Scindia Aria the Rajah of Berar ;
that the House do attribute the result of that War,
in a great degree, to the vigorous and comprehen-
sive measures adopted by the Government of
and to the system of prompti:ude and efficiency by
which the Armies were brought into the field.
Mr. FRANCIS felt himself involved in much,
difficulty by the Motion of the Noble Lord, and he
was certain the House would feel itself equally so.
He was sure no Gentleman would attribute to him
any personal animosity in the part which duty com-
pelled him to take on this occasion, but as 41 'dee
ferring his Motion on this subject in a manner which
he conceived would he satisfaCtory to all parties,
with a view to information which might enable, the
House to come to a judgment on the groonds and
policy of the war, he thought it not policy to pro=
flounce on any p‘rt of the conduct .of tale Noble.
Marquis while the House was -still in ignorance,
anti without any evidence to guide its decision. 'He'
had expected that the Noble Lord'it Motion would
have been confined tit the Military Operations, anci
the Troops employed, and he was as ready as any
Member to do honour to the memories of those that
fell, and to testily the gratitude of the House to the
survivors. But he did not think it right, when a
war of conquest in India was in the teeth of the Ad
of Parliament, to vote the Thanks of the House to
a Governor General, before the fact[ was ascertained,
whether the contest in which such valuable lives had
been exposed, was undertaken on just grounds. The
Hon. Gentleman then adverted to the observations
of the Noble Lord, with respect to the brilliant vic-
tories against a superiority of force, and contended)
that though a proof o the merit of the Commanders,
the viaories, under such circumstances, refiettekno
credit on the arrangements of the Governor Genral..,
If the i)olicy of the war should be equal to the eke.
cution, he should hereafter be the first, if he might;
and the second,. if he Could,- to propose the 'thanks
of the House to the Noble MarquiS. Burthoks
Withotit knowledge of tlieir.being deserveld, would
nut hot long—they were of quick growth, and would
soon fade. -
The, CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQU.E:R
agreed with the Flon.GentlernapJ,pho_si)ok,: la,ot 'ha!
Thanks without a knowledgeof the grol.:ndC"i'"")t
to be couch valued ; but he contended that t•iiffil/4.1c-:;E
grounds Were laid in this instance, to jufrife
pr:ii;osed 50 Marquis WELLESLE.T.
w”.tusti,,c,i by the tame pripeipin It

similar Votes of Thanks rested. The Nome was
'l44' avo.ized of the splendid exploits alluded to, and
• '
#4lProposed to thank the Noble.Marquia,not in his
htit in his military capacity—lot astovernisr.
India, but as Captnik.General of the
To hit combination antWarrangement in
ihIV Opacity, it was known thatthe glorious issue
campaign was, in a great measure, to be attri-
buted. As to the_ allusion of the Hon. Genttemaox
to what he called the imprudence. of the Govern Or.
General, in expoing Gen. WELLESLEY to fight the
Enemy with such an unequal Match, that fight was
the tesult of an accident, against which no foresight
.ciluld have guarded ; and Col. STEVENSON was at
the time within half' a day's march of the General,
with a reinforcement .of tO,OOO men. The refer.
once to"the law, as restraining us from extending our .
Territory in India, the Right Hon. Gentleman
,stated robe very incorrea—as the AB-, which pass.
edin •1794 prescribed only that we should not corn.
mence a War in India for the sake of conquest ; but;.!
to maintain, that in the course of a War we should
make nu conquests that might tend to secure our-
selVes, or facilitate a Peace, was a proposition too ex-
travagant to be listened to, He professed his wish
to abstain from any allusion to the legitimacy of the
\Vat, until the House should be in possession of the
._means of fully examining and fairly judging upon
it ; and called for the. approbation of the House to
*the services of Marquis WzLLESLEY, as a Military
Commander—nut as a Civil Officer.

Mr. FOX considered it a new principle, to vote the
approbation of the House to any, but those attoally
engaged in the exploits, which it from time to time
had thought proper to distinguish by that honour.
It was however stated, that Marquis WELLESLEY
had set the Army in motion. He might have given
commands to that efFelt, but if such connexion
with an army were to be admitted as a claim to
Parliamentary Thanks, the Commander in Chief of
this Country would have a right to be included
in any vote for any atenievernent performed by the
British Army on the. Continent ; and upon the same
principle, the Admiralty should have participated
of the Thanks voted to Lords How s and Du
for their glorious vhtories in the course orthe last
War. The principles of arrangement and exteuz
tine had in such matters been always kept separate,
and he would have them always remain so. From
those considerations, and also in order that' the
House should go free and unbiassed to the disCussion.
of the question as to the origin and policy of the
War, he would oppose the Motion. To consider
Marquis WELLESLEY as a Military Commander, as
the Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke last had done,
and would have the House to do, he thought exceed_.
ingly singular indeed; but if it should appear, from
full consideration of the subject, that that Noble
Lord's condua was, in the department which
.be.
longed to him, praiseworthy, the House would no
doubt do justice to his merits. That was a point,
however, which he would not agree to prejudge in
some measure by assenting to this Motion ; .he
fore moved the Previous Questioh.
Mr. WALLACE stated, that the Votes of
Thanks to the Marquis WELLESLEY, on the cap-
ture of Seringapatain, and the conquest of the My_
sore, to Lord Cclvv. (overnor of Rornha7. anti
Mr. DurteArr, Governor of 13ombay, for their ser-
vices in contributing to these atchievements, were
proofs that the praaice was not new. But whether
there were precedeots or not, he thought it inapos.
sible to contemplate viftories, such as should ani,.
mate every British breast, and to "refuse to associate
in the thanks which were bestowed on them, the
men whose wisdom and prudence had contributed

most to them. •
Mr. 70IINSTONE ,otitra diaed the idea that
the Maitratta troops were officered, and disciplined
by Frenchmen; as in fad there was a much greater
number of EngliShMen among them than of any other
nation besides. I-te also denied that the War was
-terminated in India, as, according to the last dis.
patches ham Bombay, all communication with the
Army under Gen,W a ',LESLEY had been cut off for zo
days before. What might have become of that force
it was impossible , to conjecture.. Perhaps the next
tidings would form a melancholy contrast to that
which gate rise to the Motion =before the House.
Upon the principle of voting Thanks to our Army.
and Navy, he disapproved of the new practice
which had obtained of voting them so sudddenly,
and often so prematurely, as in the cases. of Copen-
hagen and Holland. The customs in the days of Marl.
borough, was not to propose such votes until the
Campaign had finished.
WILBERFORCE expressed himself. in the
warmest terms of approbation as to' the conduct of
the British Troops in India ; but at the same time
observed, that he confessed he did not like the ques
tion in, its present shape. He could not possibly bring
his mind to approve of the conduit of a Governor.
General, at a time when the propriety or impropriety
of that condua was yet unascertained in the most ma.
aerial points. We had no knowledge whatever of his
reasons for going to war in the first instance, and the
campaign had not yet 'come to a termination, from
which a general conclusion could be drawn. He was as
far as any man frotn,thitiking any thing to..ahe preju-
dice of the Noble Lord, who had so far concluded
our affairs its the East with such extraordinary suc-
cess; but, as there were no grounds before the
House upon which he could be able to form an opi-
nion, he could not say that the greatest crimes had not
been committed in the course of that War, or in the
provocation to the War. He knew that mankind
were in general too prone to ambition, and too much
gratified with adulation. As he was at present but
groping in the dark, and had, no means at present
of.seeing the whole of the question clearly before his
eyes, he felt himself under tire necessity of putting hy-
pothetical cases. If shouid turn our, which he Was
.far from suppping it probable that it would, that the
Governor General's condu sc as extremely improper,
that lie acted with injustice rnwards the natives, or in
defiance of an,AJ of Parliament; was it not possible
thai such a case might exist, and chat future Governors
General might be induced to adopt schemes of ag-
grandizement„i -with view to obtain similar ho.
,1 notirs to those-- whicb .were to be conferred in the
pra,,ant inicance; on a:person of whose rectitude and
it4Thour he had not the stnalteit doubt ;•bur. as to tee
P.r:Ttlety of whose conduct the House had not the
btnal;est ne.aos of jaclging, otherwise than' as to

his direfiion of our military operations so far ?--,. i i
War was one of the greatest evils that could he'ac
mankind, and he trusted that the House wOuld 1
of apt'
/3115
before they gave the sanaion of their vote
probation to a War, which however splendid ill its
progress, might possibly afterwards appear to be tic:-
justly forced upon those with whom we were conten".
ing. Supposing even, as he could do nothing eiser
ng
but cojeaure on the subjea that the resolutiSo9.'
goi to War .hoc seen formed a long time r,a
vious to the commencement of hostilities, that sou' .
materially- detractfrom the merit, of the transactiatt
as a great portion of-it eonsisted of the protnptitudie
;and alacrity with which- the whole' was execute''
He bad not the striAlesc hesitation in 'saying; al.
'it was not only his hope.,hvt- also that it was MI
most firm belief, that On.. a fuller investigation th°
'4ondua of 'the Noble Lord vvtiuld appear to 112..1
been most gtrialy consisted: With justice and wi:"
honeur, and that it would be such as 'was high'}'
creditable to the Nations But as he did- not like t"o
thank by halves,
.as is was his disposition to bi
inclined to thank with Nis whole hLart, he wished
that the proposition .of a \;/- 0t e of Thanks had been
postponed until he had' so A cll' opportunity that he
coolj feel himself most consefentiousiy justi6o its
givingit his stepport.
lg‘
Mr. H9BI-/(It4SE clee_larede that he was,'
ui,j
trernely.sorry to see .that any ruiiconceptio' n s'W
who
;have arisen in the mind of the Hon. Gentlemolovio%
had just sat down. .He had sappised the kVar in -Ltt'a,""
to be a war of siggrantlizernent, and he had Wo"ire,"ers.
' if it had been in contemolation for sortie yeatii;;*o
were no such fads before the House, nth* 341 13i;
of the circumstances warrant. such conclueiow 10,
question before the HOLM!! was only dint`}", he'
toe military operatimes Oldie Wsr ; and, thooPooi. .
might lament thee vils of war lot the sal. way ?4tiee'
H in. Gentleman had done, yet fseriog dist licit 0
the justice nor_tine policy a the w;::, were;o'llgb4
in thr.,,ICISt. it? what v" .15 1.11-1,Ili( ttA it; 11C i 1 life,- -...
could not at all find himself justilitil in ss-i;111'"'
IthYJte .of "1-h;soks„ irout the ;sesSons :Nil°. lid
'•
et-c
•
achievedssesmech foe theL isol, gluey Pi in
ootir s
Country. Tl,e ilsetsse -Ltd done Ole same or ovme( is
the \TOEe of Thanks to cur U-frusers and Tr;'°ls
at Egypt ; they had received the Tbank ei
s 1 °I I.
Ott
A .
House for the manner in which they effeite". t-6,.
landing, and.they were aftertrid.Hriadse thanked IV. co
sddh.raiiummslalle,eli
n,
H,now
owe Housedisplayed
i .p.Grphetail.ej:pun,eCtfuirli:uernmraesmoill:aoectnawi
rinsviduelaotottsulottaril.tilee
ly endm novfettihfe;3l3pligstoise
there was a most strong mark of
ception of such extensive plans, and in the iiireenolei
of every part of the operations, in such. a (11'. ,ch
as to be most. completely in , unison with e4cii •
other,-nntwithsrantling their vast distance from easy:
`other.. He was'always inclined to give praise °lli§
praise Was. justly due, and. thetelore he gave •
most hearty support to the original :Wlotioo. ,:'
g I.
:Awneffia
uassi
thoughttisn' sorrybi aiii:ei
sog
Mr. WII,DER FORCE in explanation said, tl ,
a Ili
.
he had neither spoke of the War as having been na;joi,
years in contemplation; nor had he said that it
,_O..
ri
a War of aggrandizement. ‘.llaving no fads et°ol.,
him- upon which he mitrht be enabled. to arg°e. Li.
"J vets els-s- 'sr oothe.ticai coops, oosfeh lie was
the House would recoiled, that he had. 4i 11e48.4.4eh:.7
considetable degree of- caution, he.. Ution.
""
Mr. GREY owned:that he ,was surprized t° is ;
the interpretatitsn'that had been. given to tlie, '.
of his Hun. Friend 0/1r,..,F0x' F TI tree. -:14
),• CO!.. ,
which the Debate had token, arid Isom' the iricois*.
whiCh it 114. been exiended,' he should_ r4tro-iitit ;
troubled the,House withany observations iiirios_
subjeae'4Veie it 'opt that:het:eh himself bound, "I.V
,
rice tobi4Homfrie.nd, to rise fOr the'purpOSe °fires-04
ing hint frOm the imputation Which,liad beeu t0r9.,4;
upon trini. by :the sptTeCh of an Hon. GerstlernAk.
posite(is4r. HoeistOtsse..) His HO . Friend ,4105
- - 21
known at any titne,toshe- dsficient in cleelourrr. '
..eg
he defkiid-thaA- instAissinstance.he had pi:4424' •etie;4,(t- ~
onestion. ,In the coarse of a very long and ablesPwho
which had :been.delistea-e-d'kil- the Noble .:"td , 6 i 4
bP")
opened the, Pehate,-hi had dwelt' for some eine
for o
the. eiretinistance of Ifte7Sgrear sicquisition of rellictiois,
which had been,oht aired by thela re successes in% of.
He weuld appeal to the House then, if-it w'ispes.
4.
fair for his Hon. Friend tosanswcr, ths.r such :cfsol.
appeared, prima facie, to be uojeds of 5W.Fi4,e10,'
All Wars in lodic, by which conquests
iMAY:wire,
, .
rained, are doubtful. in their nature, and they vl.4')"
should see the justice of siitli:WA'rs helnre,l , HO-11; • I
ceeded to a ' Vote of Thanks-. Arlo" be .0 ,1
&J.-- . s
Friend of his had also been Misrepresent, 'ura,
• ilvY '''''' heal
suppose not intentionallys . but cert.' 4,40, oo
misrepresented. He had observed, rh't.e,i,,ie'`'-'1;
the ancient pralice of the House c.i':;b4;4,-,' ,ettacw'
of Thanks only . when the camp iign ' oceo ester
and when something was seen to hlives oleaoSoo
bushed with some degree of securiq, L'Y od lisel,go
the Conquests which had been Chtainsd.i:i:ff.creci .
merited that a different sort of hatp-T4C'lieet: an eN°,,,eiPl:
the Proceedings of that HouSt. ' i
, airs to
mem 0e...•
_ks c. •
tion was taken by another Hen.
had quoted the precedent of the old 'of
liof:rdliyilabljeefarolti,,
our Troops in Egypt. That cool
cineedainsgesriooufs .tmhaatnneurottioseh.e\aHnsoisngHtt,lnseouarriacbileeiFatr 1
5.i..e104r.
had declared that he thought it to be irregtin coot' I
1 the House to pass aiVn ohtiesorin'iriihra?irlyksetoopatlicierGyr;llJ,ol
General of. India
abstraaed from any idea of his civil situa I,otroold
~ ~ ks to ‘-' oas
in support of that the v .ite P. 'The. re, -
lc .
ii,
rWefEerLrLeliVti::. l'.'izfohre here his
ecaod"
r the u Pg.'
that the House returned him fhatiles for roi .
li 'est ‘v- tto;'
gthueeToirds of the v , 11-0".
the k.tifnals ot the House, the subsntatnbceecW:fYwirsi°l(lotoe::,°:
wthi:(Elo(im,:many,l
;147; twt.leeiriaatsio(t) ith
eo,fglo.tiosdeqounad.o.ceit
he°r,erneh °,t::
ment 'oiled, at the :erne time,. anti also ford r:_...iileti.„..
tioo, a'bility, a ,:c!....; i gout which he hs.od_en"clic. Itl:;
co'unteraaing the intrigues Of the lir
~,,o
the posi i ion osiooo is. w.,t's-oatted in, t.. 05 acoi“odue in ;;,,
precedent iusii,:qsareq,:,,t)l,l„aybilnyatrieelq.eura tt eo tioi
i:_.l:lieo
it ::;4:0:ittr;:::::::
. ~
comtnendaoon sot that Hooscs,
_O/dia. oot
cte"t'ailaci'n'l3gacinii,YrigitHeSi:'
'reckoned among the dutiei of arsoholto, sess...w
there sure evident, t,hat s.ticl,l:4ofV.,o9itleit.(jairyi'conb.deus.`ili; solov'
cciiried solely oa-toe vtess. , . i to ~
1 ,„I,r- ijz salcs
!::;seiCrt'i'isti ',
e) T ecaonaudliSd' 30u in°c:PLi e i.,‘' te9 toot;7),' 'iris
`Tote to ',VI-7;DV NC:Nl''' 71'1,6-1 - '

degree a pretcdeot for ',l;e 'Vote which the I-!ousO was
then called upoti to pass, but even that was not coin.
pletely applicable, In the present case, the House
might give their Thanks fur conduft that was ex-
ceedingly meritorious, or they might, for aught they
knew, express their al-probation of conduct which
they might hereafter be induced to censure. He
thought that it would be a much more prudent line
of condud for the House to avoid the adoption of
any Resolution which might possibly create embar-
rassment in their future proceedings. Thaoks had
been voted to Mr. HASTINGS, for the ability and vigour which he had displayed
in a transaction,
for the injustice of which that House had afterwards
felt it their duty to prosecute him in the House of
Lords. Though it was nut the business of sol-
diers to think, but to execute, he should wish that
the Thanks of that House should not be given,
even to our Troops, for the bravery in the per-
formance of an adion which, though it was a duty in
them to execute with alacrity., and though it should
have been achieved in the most slendid maner,
might eventually, be proved to be fopunded in injus-
tice, and contrary to the written laws of our Coon-
try. It was a painful task for him to dissent from
_a Vote of Thanks as the reward of valour ; but with
the scanty information that was now before the
House, he thought that the most just, the most
honourable and candid line of condua that
he could
pursue, would be to abstain from passing any
judgment upon the case, and to give his support to
the Motion of his Hun. Friend (Mr. Fox).
Mr. Hoaratoosa and Mr. WALLACE severally
explained.
Sir THEOPIIILUS METCALFE vindicated
the conduit of idarquis WELLELEY, and defended
the War as against the Mahratta Nation, who were
known to every man, fur 150 years past, to be the
common disturbers of the tranquillity of India ;
whose uoifortn principles were plunder and devasta-
tion to every surrounding Nation ; and who, the
better to enable them to carry on their purposes,
had lately entertained in their service a number of
rtench Officers, furnished by the ruling powers at
Paris, our common and them inveterate enemy, to teach
European taffies ; but by the glorious and
gallant prowess of our Troops in that Country,
their Armies were utterly defeated ; we had taken
from them 7O pieces of cannon ; nor were there,
he was convinced, to pietas more left them in any
Part of the Dekan. He had read a hook, which had
been alluded to in the course of the Debate, published
by the authority of the Marquis Waeetseay, which
as yet was confined to few hands, but shortly would
he given to the public, and certainly would deserve
a place in the library of every Statesman, and every
man of literary taste, which would record a series
of events unparalleled in the history of the world ;
which would not only justify the condutl of the
Noble Marquis for commencing the War, but which
Would spew, that to the wisdom of his Council, and
the vigour of his plans, were chiefly owing our
brilliant successes, much as was due to the valour of
those Troops who were destined to carry these plans
into effea.
Mr. GREY explained.
, I\iir. lA
~7ILLIAM SMITH spoke in favour of the
rtev•
21,,;(111s Question.
Lion."" ROSE said, in voting for the original Mo.
) he did it up rinciple ihat on rho phe was not
the
thereby to be precluded from the future discussion of
Noble Marquis's consiud, or any other vote that
discussion might justify.
ilir. ER /INC'S said, that the Hon. Baronet op-
auth
posite to him (Sir T. METe ALA' E) argued from the
ority of a book, of which he had the exclusive
advantage. It was, however, rather extraordinary
the Noble Marquis should choose to make his ap.
peal to the public opinion through tl:e medium of
arch a publication, while Parlioment had been un.
able to obtain the necessary documents whereon to
form their opinion upon-the subject.
The CHANCELLOR of EXCHEQUER the
rose to assure the Hon. Gentleman, that lie had it in
Particular request from his ernor Noble Friend the Go.
v rnof India, to give to the House every possible
Cocuerit that could explain ev
point, the whole of his
condua, en on the minutest
The
Previous
Question was then put, and nega.
tined without a division, and the original Motion
agreed to, as proposed by the Noble Lord (Ciasnaa-
RE,AGW), nem. eon. as were also the following :
I, That the Thanks of thia House h. given to the Right
)ion. Lord Cs.ry E Governor of Fort Ge'eTrgg'_,
,or the zeal and
tntrgy with which he concurred to ptotnote tnese successes.
Esq. Governor of Bombay,
u To lona THAN DUNCAN $4 the zeal and vigour with which he had employed the re-
sources of that F;esidency.
" To neneral GERARD LAKE, Commander in C' •ef of
lila
theta's Maje Military Force, in India, for the eminentniju Ig
/nea nive spirit, and invincible intrepidity- l'll.
had displayd, and which had so highly contribited t lic
-1 e
honor
ooff
the British Nation aid g'v, add;tio,ial lustre to the
She British Arms
' ' . . '
11:5" To Major-General ST. JOHN and Major-General IV cc_
oLlE73l4coerr_their.emiUentbrilliant services ; and also
?flies engaged,4 'both 't:l in the different
.I2egiments in the Ar-
" That this kouse (.o'noth hi
AtopLan and Indian.
the conduct of the N ghly acknowledge and approve
of the different Corps,
E-ticotrnissioncd Oilicers and Soldiers_
ent Cotps ropLail and
.Native,andtlic Corn.,
anaeders of the differ
Com-
te thern", are desired to signify tile sain....
it was ordered that the SPEAKER do transmit the
Resolutions
X•et. to the Marquis WE LLF.SLEY, with a
-, .er, to
hire to communicate them to the
General Officers and the Commanders of the different
Regiments, to be b
'Pt-live Corps y the communicated to the re_
. m m
i 'nd, the The Bill for raising I,zso,ocol. by Loan in Ire.
Bill for raising 14,0et0,0001. by Loan for
the service of the United Kingdom ; the Additional
1141 Port Duty Bill, and the Additional Wine Duty
11'1, w ere brought in, read a first time, and ordered
to he read a second time to-morrow.
th The Order of the day for the second reading of
s - .
Irl'il Army of Reserve Suspension Bill was put
is
'34.611 Tuesday.
fhe Militia Officers Bill was read a second time,
zr
A ordered to be committed. to-rnorrow. Ad-
J°Lltued.

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AT L is yet in a state of suspense respeEting the
arrangement of a new Administration, and therefore
we shall not endeavour to amuse our Readers with
reports, but content ourselves with giving them the
earliest intelligence when matters are definitively
settled. The Marquis of STAFFORD, in the House
of Peers yesterday, inquired of Lord HAwKrs-
nuay, whether the circumstances to which that
Nobleman alluded on Monday, still rendered it
necessary to defer the discussion of important Na.
tional Business, or whether the Noble Secretary
was prepared to make any farther communication
upon the nature of the circumstances to which he had
alluded ? The Marquis of STAFFOR D concluded with
signifying, that in the former case it was his inten.
tion to postpone till Monday, the Motion which
he otherwise should bring forward this day. Lord
HAWK ESBURY, in answer, assured the Noble Mar.
quis, that the same circumstances prevailed, and
rendered it highly proper to defer the intended Mo-
tion for a few days, declaring, that in the mean
time nothing should be brought forward upon
which any political differences were likely to arise.

WE received ,this morning Moniteurs to the 21st
ult. and Dfitib Papers to the 29th ult.
Jostrx BONAPARTE has been appointed by his
Brother, Colonel-Commandant of the 4.th Regiment
of the Line, which is encamped at BOulogne, and
is destined to share in the Expedition against this
Country. A pompous Message was sent by the
First Consul to the Conservative Senate, announc-
ing this event, and demanding in consequence, leave
of absence for the Senator Jos
There are some further details respeling the un-
fortunate Pi CREGRU, but they merely relate to the
proof of his identity ; however, maintaining
the execrable falsehood of his pretended suicide.

There are also the Letters referred :o in the Se-
cond Report of the Grand Judge, relati've to Mr.
DRAKE and Mr. SPENCER SMITH, fir which we
have not at present any room.

A pretended Letter from Naples states, that ;In
E►nigrant had been recruiting there for
who had been ordered by the KING of N.-krt., s to
he transported to one of the Sicilian .;lea, to be de.
tained there.

TH is morning atirived the Hamburg') Mai/ due
on Wednesday.
Accounts from the Hague of the 21st ult. an-
nounce the receipt of private letters • from Paris,
which contain the following intelligence :
" The Government has again sent a Message to
the Senate, relative to the Establishment of an He.
reditary Succession to the Government.
is We are assured that the first public aa of 80.
2:APAR TE, after he has assumed his new dignity,
will be CD pardon MORE AU, whose guilt indeed
becomes every day more apparent, but whose
conduct in some respeds deserves considera.
mien. When he has been judicially convicted,
BONAr AR TE will, it is said, grant him a pardon,
with a permission, or rather a command, to retire
to the Lie of France, where the whole property
of his wife is situated. Persons who pretend to be
accurately acquainted with the charaEler of Mo-
at AU, assert, that he will receive this pardon with
joy and gratitude. He is now permitted to have
his infant son brought to him every day."

A Letter from Madrid, of the sth ult. says,
" By an Ordinance published here this day, all in-
dividuals and families, whether natives or fo-
reigners, who have no certain occupation or fixed
residence, unless they can give satisfaCtory reasons
for their continuing here, must leave this City
within thirty days. in any case, a time will be
prescribed for their departure, and the Foreign
Ambassadors must engage for foreigners of their
Nation, of v,.horn they must give a List, if they
wish to prolong their stay.

We are now fearful that our Neutrality will
not continue longer, the Government having given
orders that English Prizes shall not be sold in Spa.
nish Ports. The English Envoy, Mr. FR ERE, and
the Consul-General, Mr. HUNTER, have received
explicit intimations on this subject."
LUC lEN BONAP TE is said to be going to Italy,
for the purpose of taking upon him some important
funtion in the Dutchy of Parma.

Yesterday morning Hts MAJEST walked in the
Queen's Gardens. About twelve o'clock HIS MA.
J ESTY gave an audience to the Lotto CHANCELLOR.
Yesterday :ihnut one o'clock, HER MAJESTY and
the Princesses ELIZABETH, MARY, SOYII lA, AMR-
L lA, Lild AUGUSTA, for the first time since her in.
disposition, took an airing:on the Kent road.
Yesterday the DUKE of KENT dined with HER.
MAJESTY„