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SA)11•8 said, he dirt opt see why thco!i: It
the Farmer. should riot be estimated lit the etitte way as that
of the. Trader—He Would Suppose 9d, in th:: punrld ba
Fair rule, but then there would be no equality without add,
ing the Poor-Rates and Tythes to the rent in order to get at
the profit. • ,
Mr. STURGES observed, that as the rent depended upon
the out-goings, it seemed to be the more aoeurete way to take
them in addition to.thc rent as the criterion.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL contended that the prin.
ciple of the late Income Bill with respect to the present sub-
jed was erroneous, and led man erroneous result. He
considered the presept as a fairer criterion. Tythes were
frequently much increased on a sudden, and rents were fre-
quently lower than that which the premises were worth.
In this ease the rent was not taken as a criterion unless it
Was a. rack-rent ; . nothing could be more fallacious than to
stake the rent in every case as they found it. If the sum of
nine-pence upon the whole rent was converted into one shil-
ling upon three-fourths of it, it must necessarily create.
great embarrassment and delay, whilst it would still be only
an alteration in, form and not in substanCe.
Mr. Wti.seeroec r. supported the argutheriee of his Right
Hon. Friend (Mr. here which he thought • had not been
answered, as it had only been urged in opposition, that the
criterion brought forward by his Right Hon. Friend would
bear hard in one or two cases; and with• resped to the car.
cumstances el 'fettles and Rent, it was to be observed that
Leases of Fasins were in general of short duration, and there-
fore that all inequalities respeding those circumstances were
soon removed. He expressed his hope that a Clause would
be introduced 'into the present Bill, as in the last, to allow
an abatement with respea to those Incomes that becalne,-by
means of subsequent circumstances, diminished.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that if the
ninepence in the pound on one hundred pounds was convert-
ed into one shilling on seventy-five pounds, an opinion night
go forth that it was intended to increase the duty, and it was
undei this impression that the idea of such an alteration was
. abandoned by Ministers. It was'impossible to contemplate
the theory on which the principle respelling this subject was
fonaled in the late Income Tax,- without seeing that it, was
liable tregraat objettions. It was also proved by experience
not to be es fair criterion, as many Farmerr4 Paid I,:ss than
they did under the Assessed 'nix Bill, which was :dont a
decisive- wino' of the insufficiency of the criterion. The
triode proposed to be'sttbstituted for tinat in the present, Bill
had ;rot been sanctioned ny experience, he was therefore' de-
terthined to persist in that proposed in the Bill. • :
' Mr. FIJI' said, he should take notke of two or lbree Jeart. •
ing points stated by the CKAetcesn.os. of the Eitel' ease's
those of the Tythes and that. of the mode of regulating the
'Charges according to the Rent upon the Farmer. • The
CHA NCEVLOR 'Or the EX CH EQUIR had Chosen- to resist his
Amendment,, which was that of adding the Poor-Rates and
..esther Charges, arid then taking three-fourths of the whole aS
The mode of estimating the Duty of 9d. in the-Pound. The
CifA NeELLoR of the Excueouse had recommended to the
Committee to rejea that mode, because hr said that it was
• one in which there could not be had pertedt accuracy. Now lie
had made to.the Committee a plain and simple Proposition; he
had stated the principle oat which it was founded, and he had
submitted to the Committee the remedy which appeared to
him to be applicable to fhe &feel of that part of the Bill to
aehich his observations applied, He then proceeded to shew
vete fel lacy of the arguments which had been borrowed from the
IneenieTax upon the subjc of the Poor-Rates, as also that
; end supported the propriety.c:f the altera.
tion belied proposed to toe present Bill, as to the mode of
taking the scale ant which the duty of ed. in the pound
should be imposed on Tenants, anti proceeded to observe,
that the objeilion to his mode, because it was net capable or
petted. accuracy, was whimsical enough, as it must be ap-
plicable to every thing in human lik, and those labours
which have hitherto been most useful in human titrairS must
be laid aside, if this principle of
that because we had not been able to discover the Oriel-
tude, we should lay aside the use of timepieces—That
because we had yet been able only to mark the divi-
sions of time by hours, minutes, and seconds, but were not
varatirm in the pendulum, Ike
able to prevent totally any
bit9utri have no Cheek to tell us the hour of the day ; that
because we could not prevent some variations in the magnet,
Mariners should have no Compass. Such was the cited of
that noble disdain of the CNANCPLrOR,ofthe EXCHIQUER
tier all systems that fell short of pertett accuracy. ; bUt yet,
it did not appear to be the way by which the atrairs of this
World had hitherto been regulated, for it had been found
that Clocks, notwithstanding the inequality of the oscil-
lations of the pendulum, had been found 'convenient ;
and the Mariner's Compass had been found of some use
in. Navigation, although there were some deviatione in
the Needle. Having illustrated the principle for which he
contended by various references to the swan of the Income
he insisted on it that lie proposed only that which
would be in ease of Ministers, in carrying the principle of
their Bill into dna concluded with observing, it was
his duty to press it to the consideration of the Committee,
and which he should ball upon them to adopt at the season
When it becaintc indispensable.
' This produced a long conversation,. in which a great nutri-
t iist
her of Members spoke, and in. the Cee EL i„ok of
,
te r.XCHEgor.R„ Mr. 13RAGOE, the ATTORNIy GINE-
•Mr. VANst TT AR T, and several Members took part;
the bearing of their arguments was, to admit that the plan
of Mr. liar might approach more to accuracy than the Bill
as it now. stood in the case of Duty of Occupiers of Land;
anti that although the' Members of that ,Committee might
comprehend, yet that it might not be so plain to a Farmer;
and the mode in the Bill, they .contended, was more simple,
end the question was, not what system was in itself the most
.niit which was the most easye and they contended
t;i tr the 'present Bill was of that charades.
The > Committee. then proceeded in the Bill, until thy
cattle to the, sentence which expresses den certain general
iegulations shall be adopted, as therein 'specified, with re.
;sped to the charge to be imported on the occupiers of land.
Mr, PITT °Waded to the word " general,". fir the pur_
pose of the introdudion of several regulations, upon the
,principle which he had already stated to else 'Committee.
'Qa which the Committee divided—
or inserting theword " general," 91
Agsdnat it " " 24
'ripe discussion of the Clauses proceeded. ;
The Abatements and Exemptions of the Schedule B, down
to the eteref page 20, were omitted on the suggestion
(lithe t: !IA N ci,etoit Of the EXCiteee air, who stated he,had tub.
schutes tre propose, hue was net sufficiently prepared to de-
tail them to the Committee. .
The rules for estimating the annual value Of property, ac-
cording fin the proportions of the Poors' Rates, were, by Mr.
Rosa, strongly recommended to be lereout, as the assessors
would take such proportions hi general for their guide which
would mislead them ; it woold also tend. to the injury of
the Revenue.
This produced a desultory conversation between Messrs.
reeeowes, Bonn, CALCRArT. tote Cuesiczetoe of the
liXeHliatri Vit k, Sir , GEARY, an the Riht Hon. Gen-
tleman,
At length it was decided, the. Rules, with a
(slight amendment to one of them, should stand.
Some further discussion took place, and at about a qUarter
after twelve, •
General GeSco Yes Strongly pressed for an adfourn et
on account of the lateness of the hour, and the close,
Lion paid by Gentlemen to the subject the three pseceding
eights.
Chia w.is pointedly resistdd by the C tNeeeleile a the
,EXCILEQUER on various grounds ot'objediOn.
The question on a motion for an adjoin nt 'as* put but
do division toe!: place, and• the Colitinittee proceeded
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to, the
discussion of the clauses until they arrieedeatthe second
rule for estimating rs the rent o annual vatic
of properties in
SCOthillti, in page 24.
t was then proposed that the Chairman should report
progress, which being done, the HouSe directed the Com-
mittee to resume the discussion to.rnorrow.' •
Mt. Vet:sill-eel' presented a Bill for amending the Ael
thepit of the King, esc. for granting public rewards to
such
,persons as should make useful discoveries tesinceting the
Longltude, which was reed a first time.
The Order for the Hoese gone; into a Corninittee to con.
sitter of means. for 'the reliefs:if Capture of Prizes with rasped
to bringing Prizes into Great Britain, tsc. was, on the motion
.or Mr. VANhi TTAR r, postponed till Monday. •
The other Orders of the Day were postponed, and at One.
teClocle the (louse atijouriled till to-unorronw Nita day).

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LONDON, j41.4r 16, "03. •

NOTHING new has arrived this morning from the
.Continent, consequently we are without further iv.
formation eespeCting the fate of the \Hanoverian
Army, about which it is impoiiible not to feel the
most lively interest. The Article frail' liamhargh,
stating that a new Convention had been entered in.-
to,:seems to require confirmation. The report that
Prussia! had declared her intention of. supporting
the Hanoverian Army in their design of opposing the
crossing of theli/be by the French, we know not how
to believe,though a change seems to have been sudden.'
ly made in the Prussian Ministry ; nor do we attach
Much credit to another report, that the. Danes were
.determined to oppose the passage of the French, as
the only means of keeping their own Country free
from Invasion and Plunder. The next accounts
r froth that qUarter cannot fail to be important. The
Elbe is closely. blockaded by three British Frigates.

Mr.: Parr again found it necessary last night in
the Committee, to suggest some very material altera.
Lions in the proposed mode of levying the InCome
Tax arising from Land. • His observations were
unanswerable.; and it will be seen, that. the at.
tempts to answer them were feeble in the ex.
treine. Though they were
,not adopted last
night, we hope that twenty.four hours reflec.
tion on them twill convince Ministers of their
prOpriety, and that a Bill aft-ening the interests of
so large a portion of the Community, will not be
permitted ro-pass through Parliarrsent without being
made as perfect as its nature will ailow;—,'.

We have repeatedly cautioned the Public against
indulging any. flattering hope that the Mediation of
any of the Powers of Europe was likely at the pre-
sent moment to lead to the termination of Hostili-
ties. If that hope should slacken our exertions or lull
'us into an idea of security, it might be very injurious
to us. The Mediation of, the Court of Petersburgh
has most certainly been offered and accepted, on
.the
part of His. Majesty's Ministers,—The Mediation
of the Court of Berlin also has been proposed to.
wards adjusting certain points; but these points re.
lating chiefly to the attack upon Hanover and the
impediments thrown in the way of the Trade of
I/tut/burgh, do not relate materially to the great point
of contention. We believe that France would now
yield in many points even with resped to. Malta—that
modifications would.be assented to favourable to us
—and particularly that the possession of that Island
for a longer ,term of year, than was at first pro:
posed would be granted to us, together with the
possession of the Island of Lampedosiz—bist the.
question is, Whether Russia offers her 'Mediation to
obtain for us the complete Sovereignty Of'Malia, or at
lease some security against the prosecution of 'the
Freoch projeas against Egypt, adequate to the pos.
'session of the Island. • We have the strongestlea-
sun to believe that the Interference of Russia has
not, al least yet, had fur its objet the adjtisiment
of this point upon any such satislattory condition.
But time. adjustment of all differences with respect
to Mato Cannot -nosy be considered 'as that. which
could satisfy us. Other arriogements must be made
'which, with a view to our immediate Interests, are
perhaps stilknore important. Is it possible, for
instance, ..to conclude a Peace, leaving France with
that ascendancy over Holland, which, in faa, gives
her the fdll command
;both of her men and motley ?
Perhaps that .part of the Neiotiation with France,
with resped 'to which the greatest-blame Was its.
potable to His Majesty's. Ministers, was that which
related 'to the French' Troops marching into' that
Republic. Upon 'a French Army invading
whoa, orders were issued to retain the Cape of
Good Hope ; but a French Army having invad.
ed the Batayian Republic, orders were sent out
to cede the Cape to that. Republic. This Was
never explained, and indeed apPears inexplicable.
But these are , not points to dwell upon at the pre.
-sent moment. We have,other and more. important
objeCis' to look to,; and we area convinced that in
the pl-goefit csisit all ranks and descriptioni of men
will bcsvccinsult their own interest, in aiding and
assisting His Majesty's Ministers in providing the
best witng'for the general safety.
'lf 'the Mediation of Russia embraces this point—
if 'also. in addition to the adjustment of the .ultimate
possession of Malta, it cotriprehends some general.
arrangements which may really restore Peace upon.
piosped of permanency, we shall most heartily re..
j3ice ; but even with a view to this we must look
chielly to ourselves. It we are prepgred to meet
the threatened attack of France, Russia may me. .
diate,for, us with effed but if we are not so pre.
pared, the best disposition on her parr can be of ho
avail to', us. We have done every thing in our
power to urge Ministers to adive preparation ;
because we have thought them, as well as the
Country at large, too supine—because we have
imagined them too much disposed to think that no
Invasion would he attempted, and,that therefore it
was not necessary to take active mealtures .to repel
it ; and because perhaps they have flattered them.
selves in some degree with the hope that Peace might
be obtained without putting • the Nation- to the
trouble and expense of making the exertions ne.
cessary to attain it. We have most high'," approved
the ccmduct of Mr. PITT and others who have
prompted His Majesty's Ministers to vigorous exer...
lions ; but we were never so, convinced of the ne.
cesity of those exertions as when we knew there
existed on the part ,cu die Court of Petersburg!) a
dispO.sition to mediate. Let us skew ourselveteready
tar the contest, if necessity imposes it upon us, and
Russia may then, and then alone, procure for us such
a feat c asiseotisistent with our kionour and Security.