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built in the merchants yards before the late War
and now when there was most occasion for
Promptness and expedition, the old system was de-
parted from, and another aclopted; by which that
expedition. was lost. All those advantages were
given up without any adequate exertions in the
King's DoCk-yards ;- but what was still worseothan
all the rest was, that which was stated by the gal-
lant Admiral on the other.side- of the House (Ad--
lniral BERKELEY), which was, that the present
`slumber of Artificers in the King's Dockyards was '
800 short of its usual and necessary cOmplethent ; '
for he understood the Hon. Admiral to' have said,
that the King's Duck-yards were short of their
complement of Shipwrights by 80c ; and this was :he '
period,. and these were the circumstances When the '
Board of Admiralty thought fit to abandon the sytserrs -
of building Ships of War in the Docks of the Mer, •
chants. He declared from the bottom of his heart there
iv/as not a-man existing for whom he felt more re.
sped than he did for the Noble Lird at the head of
the Admiralty.- No man's services had been more
signal, nor any whose talents appeared to him to be
superior in his profession : but all this was no
reason why the documents now moved for should
not be laid on the Table of that House, and if it was
seen that my Lord St., Vincent had concluded him.
self meritoriously in hiS present as in his former
charader, the House would take much pleasure in
doing'justjce to his charatter ; but he must protest
against the doctrine laid down by the Right Hon. Gentleman, that we were to wait until some disaster
happened before we instituted any inquiry : we could
not aff,;rd such a speculation ; the business •nf that
Rouse was to prevent, not to Wait for di for i they waited for it, the loss might becomeaster, irrepara. f ble ; the only way he knew to'prevent disaster,-
was :o tuquire into those circumstance, which al).
pealed likely to lead to it; in order to apply a le_
medy 'for the impending evil. - The course reeom.,
mended by the -Right Hon. Gentlethan was too full
IA haiard ; the stake was too large to play a game
so desperate. Upon the whole of this matter, he
felt himself bound to declare, he was Niiy con-
vinced of the' propriety of all the nitions. which
had been slated-by his Right Hon. Friend.
Mr. ' SHER/DAN Said, that upon so important
a Motion, brciught forwar•d tram so important a
quarter, it really would have been,his.wiSh to wait
for the opinion of other professional Gentlemen, iiiatittition to those "vvhom he had already- hail the plea-
sure of hearing, whose superior knowletige•Of this
s.bii'a gave them a 'decided preference, if ii had
ot been for something which had been uttered by the Gentleman, who spoke last.; and that was, his
apology for offeriog his it ntinsents. thus pre-
maturely to the House ; of-
Honourable Gentleman
contained some of that
m conthe Speechost irregular and unpar the
ever liamentary language that
was urged or uttered in that House. He had I
not given one fan, nor drawn 0 inference frod
any tad brought forwardbyy nmether oetr„, but
he had ventured to say
and roundly, chat
he had not conversed Witt) broadly
ten who did not re , ' a single 'Naval Charac-
sent Board of A 1 probate the system of the pre-
-1.(-rmiraltY• Now he wanted to
know who those Naval Charaders were ? The mat-
ter' was
those
Narn..?s,t important—What sort of
those Characters Ch- -
eman had conversed persons 'were
.araCters with Whom the Hon. Gen-
, they of
theail ? Had he'c'onversed with ei:
bad sixiLe g. 4 ant Officers and Hun. Baronets who
t K n in this Debate i
.It was evident he had
net ;ifhe 1 ,
tad, he would not have said .that all
those .„,•
bated With. whom he had conversed, had
of
the
of
........system. the present Board of Ad.
mitalty
From what source then did the Ho-
l'F°l(7"ble Gentleman derive' his infoimation ?
ey.2lthose
Officers, whoever click were, what-
" their talents, knowledge-., Or 'merits might
.be, who were at present unemployed in the service
of their Courory from those. who were not now;
• . t • ,
fighg the battlesof their
Country, who were
not in the situation of the Hon. Baronets who had
so-ken anti who, he would venture to say, had
delighted the, vast majority' of the House by what
they said to night,
"gained a,i. aura.
as they had - • ' 1 its i '•
tif'n' as well as that of their Country, by their
given the
gallantry in its service. N 6, the Persons who had
Hon. Gentleman information, Were: per.
sons une
-view all'1°)‘I, i'eth.ps disappointed, and whose
s took the e(4,
Applied to
th_
hiJor of their situation. He had
Countr,,, whet hest naval authorities in this
fic,d
wi,th
twiltel
coonadduftassured him they were dissatii.
Yes, -dissathfied, of. the. Board of Admiralty were these dissatisfibecause disappointed. —.Who
tleman dissatisfied the Houtsoeen ? Did the "Hon. Gen-
- cond.hand information, of his '
would receive this se.
tleman was as Conscientious. a B4tnthaes Hen. Gen_
House, Of it he. was not the House did not
give him credit.' H '
had said as
_He had declared that what he
House,
he
woauld Member of Parliament in that
of justice. Did swearhk as a Witness in a Court
not
receive that
little of the .wise
rouflejsusotficeLawwowads
aware that a Court
his testimony as he
bad delivered it to the 'cl-etctivue
of Justice would say to liim.. t°-night
?
yszsresli;e-autr:acyanrteiot hear your information frornAo
~" produce your wit-
iChouerstt;
ports of wh4tyou
first authority, but choose to call the
whose names you have not yen-
. . give, are not so-
tired to "
sthie." But it seemed the Hon; mnch- as evidence admis-
' greatest. dAculty in the 'Gentleman had the
I -
against the present Fitt Lord
world to say any thing
had the greatest of l' of the any
la t possible respea for him.
Mr. SHERIDAN said, le. never heard of a charades
lo respelled' and as • dh '
his • • aspersed -y the same persons in
lite, as thatof
lie- ' the Noble Earl now at the
lira of the Board of Ad • '
fhe _Honourable
Gentleman
said
that . mirally. '
if the Noble Earl's charader
!Pas unjustly treated '• • '
.. . y oy wnat had been said against
"I it would come out more pure than 'ever upon
,ihquity, .
, and the Hon. Gentleman it • ed had a
great respcd for the N 1 l
oo e Lord at the head of the
ztdroirait • r
y. Andee 1
c. he ought to have that resped ;
Al_
~.; thonolit the whole
b House ought • the whole
...c00,.0
~try might. He could not help, remembering
what •
lb it was which introduced that Noble Lord to
at House,
to its confidence and entire esteem, it
was 'tot R
t.l ) such a- panegyric as he deserved, from the
~ginit Hon. Gentleman who .now made a motion
6 st him oßy words which •t'
as the
.. C . . were roost'
.eloquent,
Y ame f , rom the heitt, not as the accusation
of ta.,
Qtdy came artificially from the tonVe, and
)

which lie never heard until to.aaY. Here the Right .i
Honi Gentleman who brought forward this Motion
was in an awkward situation. Did he know the cha-
rades of my Lord ST.-Vitro ENS' when he intrOduced
him with such a handsome. charaCter,'and under a--
panegyric so eloqUenr? And whom he so earnestly
recommended 'and succeeded in -recommending to•
the esteem of the HOuse ? Did the Right Hon.
Gentleman . speak What he thought grain that me.. :
rnoralile occasion ? Mr. SHERIDAN said,hebelieved
he aid. If his knowledge of human nature was'
defedive upon this occasion, this was the second in-
stance of the kind. But every person who had the
pleasure to hear 'that, eloquent panegyric On Lord ,
ST. VINCENT was satisfied with the appointment of
Stich,a person at the head of the Admiralty. •So .
much for the case, if the Right Hon. Gentleman
did not know my Lord ST. VI NCENT at that time.
Now if he did not know him, his judguient must T
have been 0 defedive that •he could not expect the i.
House to be confident that he :night not be mistaken "
no* as welt as he was theri.. If he spoke then '
What he did believe, or what .he did not
kno—w, it might pet haps- be worth while for the
House to consider how far an Action might not be
maintainable against the Right Hon, Gentleman for
giving A false charades. He was as mach liable to
an action for giving •a false charades from ignor-
ance, as if lie did it by-design :if he did it either
Wilfully or ignorantly, or rashly, the effed was the
stne, and the Right Hon. Gentleman was liable to
an attioa for giving a f :Ise charades of my Lord
ST: VINCENT. Nor. was this all, but the Right
Hop. Gentleman had A further difficulty, which was,
to shew' how•it happened that his opinion of Lord
ST. V INCE NT, if wrong at that period,--had been
afterwards so confirmed- by Isia actions ?• If he now
thought he was wrong when he formed that opi-
nion, the House had at least a right to ask him to
shew by what means the. Noble Earl had lost his
confidence. As. it •Sloodsat preen[, there appear-
ed no better reason for what the Right Honourable
Gentleman was doing, than that he wished to have
Lord ST., VINCENT turned out of his situation.; and
he might, as 'well have said at once, that he wanted
Lord Se isao ea in ]cis place i 'for surely, after whist
the Right ..1-fono Gentleman had said to-night,- he
_meant to say also, that'roy 1.49rd.r.-1/INCENT was
unfit to continue in his situation. -Then he -asked
for the fad on which that unfitness was to he pr,:ved.
He said,T her protested he felt an unwillingness to
speak on this occasion ; 'it did not suit the general
bent ofhis'inclination'todie speaking against enter-
ing into an Inuity.' . lie protested; he never voted
against an Inquiry befive.--(Hear ! hear t hear!
from several •p-iirts of the hioure,-ayd particitlarty•
jr6m Mr.. PITT). He -had voted for I. quiries,
every one of which- the Right Hen.. Gentleman
resisted ; and he thought the 'arguments of she
Right Hon. Gentleman upOn -all these occasions,
weak ; but weak as they were; they were all
stronger than the argument 'he brought forward
now to enforce this Inquiry. -A MotiOn so unsup-
ported by any Parliamentary document, by. .any
Parliamentary ground=—more destitute of the sup.
port of common sense, common 'justice, or common
decency, he protested he never heard. The Right
I Hon. Geotieman had not made-. out' the slightest
I case whatever for entertaining his Motion ; a corn_
pasison between the activity of Lotd Sl6•Esto sttOind
Lord Sr. Vireo i NTT was a thing fur which he cared
nothing, neither did the House care for it. The
question now was, whether flag House had any
ground now before it foi aci6ing His MA.
JET.Ir to dismiss
.tny • Lord ST, VINCI:NI' from
his' present situation, of 'which there was not
the', shadow. It was a Motion for 'which it was
impossible to account by ''any - thing short of
'the most faaious ' motive that' e%er 'aCluated
an individual in that Hutise. •It had been said
that Lord ST. VINCENT had, not built Gun-brigs.
That was an objedion (nay answered by a gallant
Admiral and Honourable' Baronet. 'He had often
thought with -pleasure on the openness,' candour,
and boldness of the naval character in general, but
when accompanied by excellent sense, sharp and
quick comprehension, as -that which he !sad wit_
nesSeathis night, he owned it gave hitn additional
pleasure. Here Mr. SHER to.AN entered into •an
account of Gun-.boats which he said were absolutely'
goad for nothing. If he were not afraid of incur-
ring the censure which he thought so' justly attach-
ed to the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. WiL:n?Rrottds)
forgiving' so much hearsay -evidence, he would
himself say that he never heard one Naval Officer
speak otherwise than with contempt of all these same
Gun.boats •of which the Right Hon. Gentleman
- thought so highly, and which'had beenbuilt during
the Administration of that Right Hon. Gentleman ;
they had been treated by Naval Officers as being of
no use, and of its heing-perfedly ridiculous 'to regarJ
them of any ; sixty-eight of them had been built.
Here he took an opportunity of Observing, that a
contract to build such things had now and then been
thought on, that • possibly might procure some
influence to Government ; sometimes, at least there
was some suspicion that the case might possibly be
so. ' At the end of the last War, the Navy Board
certainly did not play into the hands of the' Ad-
miralty. At the end of the ' War, the zo Gun-
boats remaining were of no use; they were utterly
worthless, and so they were disposed of. There
were r¢ Gun Brigs worthy of being retained; and
they were retained, Some Boat's were atOttally sent
to Jersey; 6 were sent there, and they were foural
perfectly useless, and so they were sent home again,
by Captain D'Auvergne; and he said that he
was obliged to tack to each of them. one of
his .: adive 'Cruiters, in order to sake them
.back again.. And yet these were the Ships which
the Right Hon. Gentleman recommended to us for
the defence and safety of the British Empire. This
reminded him of what he had read on .a former oc-
casion. 'Three Portugal Ships of the Line had been
taken, and they were sent to assist ours. The
Captain of our Fleet said they were worthless, both
Ships and Crew, that he-wished:to have nothing to
do with them; however they were sent to him, arid
he was under the necessity of taking them : but soon
afterwards they were Sent ,back again, and the Cap-
tain, in the true charades 'of a British Officer, gave
them a Convoy of tin I..friglish Frigate to take them
horn z again. As to the prim of which , the gallant
Admiral had spoken, he had•not said whose it was,
whether his own or that of some 'other person. tiici-,

BERKELEY saiarit enal eriti'ceand. 'Mr. SHE-
RlDA'ssaid, he had always ornierstood the Hun. Ad-
miral to be a very gallant. Officer, and his,avowing
this PlannAas'a ircshinsource of ite- But here again he
Must observe, fliet one. general error ran through
all the'ideas which some Gentlemen entertained on
the subjeil of-the Gun.bo-ats of. the Enemy ; they
made a figure in their own harboiirs ; they • made a-
, Shift to crawl along' their own coast ;. they did very
Well in their own .shoal water,, which was Hite' -case
on almost the whole of their own coast : lint was
that the case with resped 'to our own coast ? No-
thing like it ; for our coast was generally .so bold
that these Gun. boats. were ' of little use in it,
because Ships- of 'a 'large size could -come close:
to, our' shore, and thereferre although Gun-boats,
were so serviceable
.on the coast. Of •Ftance,.,they
were not so on our Coast. He ecoUld call Sir
EDWAttn PELL E W, whom he- did not name as
a Member of that House, for that. he knew would
be irregular, but he would appeal to him as a Naval
Officer, whether he was not right in that observa-
tion, He would appeal also to Sir CHARLES POLE,,
not as a Member of 'Parliament, but as a Naval Of-
ficer, whether he was not right in this observation ?
He was'nonfident that not'a man of any experience in
the Navy who would not confirm-this, our one gal-
lant Officer in our service who had the leasCdoulo of
being able to sweep them right and left, whene'ver
they dared to come. out of their'ltirking-holes—Why
then, it came to this,---that all those gallant Wl:Jeers-
:who had themselves ;sweated and, given 'their opi-
nions, supported the sysiem of my Lord ST. V N-
C E ItT against it were some Officers whom hohody
cared to name; and of Minna it was impossible for
the House to know any thing. It was said, that my
Lord ST. 'Vt NC.E NT had riot asked for more than
()tie hundred thonsaed Seamen., and now it appeared
these were all wanted for the large Ships- of the
Navy, and he had negleitedhhe Gunlboatie Now
with respea to this, it appeared-than it • %vas-the
opinion of the best Officers, that the large Ships
were suffieiently-provided 'for; and as to Goo-boats,
they .would not'allow nrop6i. Sailors to:go on board
of them at 'all. :Mr. Sea Eat f )nit proceeded to make
many observations On rite clamour which was raised
against Lord Sr.- Vtrio Erre bv'disappointed Con-
traitors and Jobbers, whom it had been the policy
of that Noble Lerd to di .courage; He alluded to
the five RepOrt's ofthe'Committee of Inquiry into
Navy Abuses, which he `proved an extensive
system -of -foul corruption, which had been bat ten_
ing' on the vitals of this Country; and' as to the
sixth Report, he said it • wotrid c.mntain matter' still
mlie remarkable in this respect. alluded to
the defeilive manner in which Ships had been
built by contrail, for which purpose he 'stated
the case of the Ajax anye L'Achille, in which he
said the irenposition upon the Public .was shameful ;
and this he did by way of ansiker to Mr.'Prir's
observations - on the propriety of recurring to the
old system of building Ships in the -Merchants'
Yards; &c. Upon the subject of the Address talked
of by the Right Hon. Geodernan, lie should lhave
an opportunity of delivering' his sentiments. He
concluded with observing, that he. never gave a
vote in his life more. in his opinion for the benefit
of his Country, than' he should do this night, by
giving it against the present motion, being convinc-
ed it was a motion to cduntenance abuses, to interrupt
and prevent the spirit of reform, which Lord ST.
VINCENT had laudably ter on foot, to give spirit
to dissappointesh Failion, to give countenance and
proteCtion to corruption; and, above all, io retied on
the charailer of a mai% who; in his opinion, stood
highest in the rank of these who are entitled to the
confidence ;and gratitude.of their Country.
Me; FOX professed his readineis to vote for the
propo4ed Inquiry, for a reasoiediametrically opposite
to that whicu had been stated by the Right Hen.
Gentleman who proposed it; for the.purpose, not of
shewing that the Noble Leta at the head of the
-Admiralty had logt,' but had enlarged his clairn to
the fill confidence. of Parliament, and the gratitude
of the Public. The remit of 14ing the Documents
called tor, before the HoUse would be, that of en-
abling' the 'friends of the -Noble'Eari to say, ". Move
fur Inquiry it you dare." He censured Mi.:
niters for their mode of defending Lord ,Sr.
Vttsto ENT ; they defended' him as they defend:
ed themselves, arid as far as their COnduil ;went,
they degraded him as they degraded' them Selves,
by pretending to,' justify him, • and by IClUS-
iiig ao'incienary info his coodal, which was the way
rn which they defended Lord HARDWICKE. He
did not agree wiih hiS Hon. Friend (Mr. Skritr-
DAN)" in his defec'ce of any part of' the conduel of
Ministers, but he cordially assented to What he had
said Upon the sobjeil of the.eyitienee eitNaval Officers,
Whase opirsions, but not names, had been qr:;);(1 by
Mr. IV' L B FO This reminded hint of a
vulgar story, 'which, like every other vulgar sto-
ries, illustrated a 'principle : it- was related of a ,ce-
lebrared LaWyer, who, to Profound learning and
prclessional acuteness, united much festivity of
wit. 'He alluded to the time Chief justice WILLES
before whom a witness 'said, he had seen a ghost,
and had heard it say a particular thing which the
witness relateth—to which the Chief justice said,
take the Ghost to have
,saidmothitsg but the
truth----bring him into Court andl Will have hiM
sworn'and examined." So" her., it these Ghosts
of etnioent 'Officers were broitilit to the bar.of the
House, though perhaps there was no power to swear
them; yet they, might be examined as witnesseS;
He then proceeded to ot'ne.r ve On- the envy which
thy Lord ST. VINCENT 'had unavoidably' brought'
on himself, and what credit he had already gained
and would further gain by the atttack he had made,
On corruption in' the practice of the Navy, The
world had ad-Mired the mangier in which that
• gallant Officer had lit okc'n the line of the Spanish
mighty Ships. But that line, however formidable'
in itself, was' feeble to the line of corttyt Con-
traitors and Jobbers wliicl this illustrious man was
now about'to break.
If there was any part 'dour Defence which might
be omitted with safety, it was, he thought; the Gun-
brigs for the defence of our shores. It had::been.
said 'that if' they voted for the Produilion 014 the
Papers, that suspicion' would rest upon- the First
Lord of the Admiralty ; but how long would that
last only till an inquiry took place if on the Con-
trarY the Papers were refused, that suspicion VeOuld
last as long as anlnquiry 'was refused. , 'l he House

would consider how far the. conduct of:M;nist-erV
could be corceivd to be (riendly .tosis.;td-Sr. V:tt,•:
CENT, in thus !cluing anlnquiry which .woUld terms'
to. remove all doubt, with septat to die condo .n 6
the Noble L' rd. They:Svoillcialsoconsider bow-long-
a Secretary of the Admiralty had been: continued
dim situation, who was known,to be,ran the, coldest
and worst terms with the First Lord. Oh What.
ground was part of these Papers refused ?. Not
un account-of the merits of the. Admiralty, but bee
cause on -their prodUdioo •there would be prize?
_f;iyie:oase made again-sr-the:Admiralty. This sort
of_argument was of: a piece with the geoeral:con_
dud of Ministers ; they opposed the Motion on the
• ground of the general.charaders of the Admiralty,
tshich they refilised to grant an inquiry into.. The
time aright. probably cons& when they should have
to in-quite into the general conduct of Ministers,
and when that Ended at tived be should not attempt,
to prove, what was, thought of that coed t, but
what .the Public ought to thihk.' Their
.cornitift
reminded. him of the marriage of an old man to
girl of te,: who said that there.waS a general satiss
radian at his parriage, because he never snentioned
it without its occasioning 'a laugh—so the conduct
of Ministerit was never mentioned without a laugh
being raised upon the subjed, or ar least a smile.
He ivished that the.charadse of Lord ST. VINCENT
•!,bottl:i be fully established,- by means of the whole
case being fully and fairly laid before Parliament',
and, he •shostid therefore vote air the produftion oiE
the Papers. -
The- CHANCELLOR gf- the EXe HEQUZP.
said,-he did not mean to enter into a- mloute defence.
of Lord ST. 'VI tic ENT ; that had alsseady been ahly
dome. • He only proposed to' make some ob'erva.
Lions : upon what had fallen from the Hon. Gentles' •
Man (Mr. Fox). The Hon. Gentleman had
that.-the only course to Jae pursued with resped to
the five ,MoriOns of the, Right Gentleman
(Mr. PITT) was, to coneent to, or reject them altos
gether. To the first and last of these Motions there
was 111) Oljea inn, S they only went to lay before
the House the number of S'airo and also the .Mon.
bet of Seamen and MarineS employed in our Ser-
vice ;' bUt roOthing; had been stated by. the Right
Hon. 'Gentleman (Mr. PITT) which could. in any
degree call upon the-NL;ble Lord at the head el the
Aomiralty to he put upon his defence. *He coosented
to the two motions to which he had alluded, because
they would tend to do away whatever doubts 1--e
rained as to the amount of the Naval Force employed
by this Couniry. As to the Motion of the Right
HOnonrable Gentleman with resped to-the number
'of Gunboat, contracted for, he not only thought it
would be inexpedi!nt to produce such a document,
but if granted, it must necessarily give rise to an
inquirsy why more or less were not contras ed fors
Such an inquiry must in that case be instituted in
order to ascertain whether the number now ern.
ployed, were suffiCient for the public purposes.—
The same obervations also applied to the motion
requiring an Account of the Number of Shipt
contraded for in 1793; and 1801, and during the
present War. If this motion was grante4 there
would als6 be a necessity that an Inquiry should
take place as to the reasons which had induced Lord
ST. VINCENT to'contrad for such a certain number
of vessels : the fourth Motion was liable,toa similar
Objeaion. He contended that if an Address sot His
Majesty was tnlved, to order an increased number
of any deScription of vessels, it must necessari;y lie
Preceded by inquiry, and then he would ask, whether
any-mismanagement on the part of the Admiralty
had been stated so great as to render Inquiry nem..
sary ? At the same
.time Ministers were anxious that
every necessary information should he laid before
the House. The Hots. Gentlethan (Mr. Fox) had
stated himself to be the Friend of Lord ST: ill N.
CENT, but there were modes of shewing friendship,
and he remembered on a former occasion, that the
, Hon. Gentleman opposed a Motion of Thanks to
Lord CORNWALLIS, because, he said, he was the
friend-of that Noble load. He (Mr. ADDINCTON)
pursued ;a different course, and, as he thought, one
Imire friendly to Lord ST. VINCENT. With re_
sped to the employment of Gun-vessels, he felt the
force of what hadbeen stated, of the folly of bending
our great means to such trifling objeas; of making
Use of pigmies when ,we had giants in our hands, and
this for the pprpose of coping with the mosquito
Fleet on the coast of France. He then read a letter
from. a Naval Officer, describing a sutvey he had
Made on,the coast of France, and stating it as his
opinion that no possible advantage could result
from trtakinz ose of small vessels in that, quarter,
because .Guo• vessels employed in that way roust
necessarily be disiabled, without doing any mate.
etas injury to tli9 Eyemy's ,force.. -With respect
to the applicat:on of these vessels to the de,
fence of our own coast, there was no necessity fat
it, as our coast was already amply defended,
whilst from the
,North Foreland large ships- might
come so close to the land as to he enabled effeetuAllv•
to destroy any small
,vestels which might attempt
to land Troops, , A 4 to the.boats employed in tile
last War, he, had.in his hand a Letter from a Lieu.
tenant Its the Navy upon that subject, which des
scribed diem as utterly unfit for any active service.
Some 91 Ahem wete'Dutch floys, bought pp for the.
Service, and which were employed in the Expedi-
tion to Holland, but which were so bad that they
would Scar cely'keep the sea, and many of the boats
Which had been talked of were quite rotten and de-
cayed. Theta were now, however, a description
of vessels in the River, which were calculated to
render an essential service:,lt was not Gun-vessels;
but Goo-brigs that were • wanted,.and of this.de-
scription, of vessels he believed it was' a fad, that-
ao. had been built inthelast War,. t
which :were no
erdered till the year 18ot. Lord Si'. V.INC ENT'
was of opinion that_ these• Gen-brigs might be ren-
dered:Of essential service to the defence of the Conn-
try, and therefore orders had been given to replace
those of the former, which had been lost, and to in-
crease the number by building 23 more. It might
be slid why not give the order sooher, but it was
the opinion of Lord Sr. VINCENT, that the. Sloops
of War already contracted for ought to be built bes
fore tine Gotobrigs were put upon the stocks ; and
:also that' His Majesty's Ships of the largest de.
scriptions, which had likeWiseibeen contraded for,
• tta4ht to be completed before the Gun-brigs were'
begun upor. It had been stated that there was 4
deficiency of Soo Shipwrights in Hie MAjesty s

Doek-yarilsi be denied-the laft. He believed nn
the contras*, that the numberMf Shipwrights in His
Majesty's Mck.yards was sloth( present motnent
within r 8
-0t any period during the last War, whilst
the effective strength watogreatera" Lord ST. V 1 :l-
--c atT . had put-the axe to the-root of jobbing, in-
jured peculation, and on that account had largely
shared in obloquy,- common with some of the
best and greatest men in the Country. He con-
tended that the Admiralty had labaured well for the
Country, and he was sure that the Public felt a deep
interest in• the proceedings of that Board. He should
not -certainly consent to any Motion which must
necessarily produce-an inquiry into the condud.of
the Board of Admiralty, which would be taking up
the time of the House to no purpose.
Mr. C. PONSONBY, after defending Mr. Fox
agairist what had been said respeting him in the
former part of .the Debate, said, that the information
asked could not give any clue to the disposition of
Our force,lnd, therefore, in his• opinion, the Mo-
tions ought to be granted, as concealment could an-
swer no good purpose. He was aware that it would
be 'impolitic to publish' the disposition of our force,
-but to give an account of its numbers could have no
effe6 bur that of striking terror into the hearts of
our-Enemies. At the same time he dithaot wish it
to be supposed that he was friendly to the Motions.
of the Right Hon. Gentleman, as conveying a cen-
sure on the First Lord of the Admiralty. .As to
the Gun.boats, he- was of opinion that larger ves-
sels were preferable, and certainly with reaped to
Ireland, which was the'most vulnerable part of. the
British Empire, he knew chat largeovessels svere the
best that could be employed; - He (lid not deny- that
a comparison Might be made .Between the condua
of the late and present Board of Admiralty, but he
was 'convinced if it was made (kat it- would not
turn out to the disadvantage of the present Board.
He remembered when a French Fleet sailed to Ire-
land with-a force, which, if it had landed, might
for a time have effcled the conquest of Ireland ;
they would have driven the British Troops into the
sea at the other end of Ireland. That Fleet re-
mained 14 days in Bantry Bay, without a single
British Ship appearing off that part of the Coast ;
hut now we not -only blocked up the French
Fleet in Brest Harbour, but had another Fleet
off Ireland to beat them if they came out.—
He thought it WAS the first duty of the House
to consider whether any doubts were thrown
upon the public charaaer anti conduft of 'Lord
ST. VINCENT, and ohether they. were Such tht
Lord- ST. "'V INCENT ought to have an opportu-
nity of clearing that charaaer and Condloc_l to the
World. He should therefore vote for the Inquiry.
Mr. STURGES BPURNE said that his Right
Hon. Friend had moved' for Papers in olderao ena.
ble Lord ST. VINCENT to clear his public charades
and. condud to the Country, and yet Ministers bad
refused to accede to ahree of his Right Hon. Friend's
Motions, on the express groOnd,`that if they were
carried an Inquiry must necessarily take place.—
Could it have been expected that any enemy of Lord
Sr. VINCENT would have said more ? -Because if
the Motions were agreed to; evidence nust be called
to the Bar, to shew reasons why Lord Sr. VI:TCENT
had not clone now what had been done on a former
occasion. The R;glit lion. Gentleman (Mr. TIER.
NEY) had accused his Right Hon. Friend ( Mr. PITT)
of making statements which were dangerous to-the
interests of the Country, but had not his Right
Hon. Friend, with respet to the Militia, the Army
of Reaerve, and the Volunteers, proved himself the
sincere friend of his Country, instead of saying any
thing which-might endanger her interests ? With
- iespeft to the' Dock-yards, the Right' Hon. Gen-
tleman (the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER) had
stated that the deficiency of Artificers only amount-
ed to 58 ; he did nor mean to dispute the int-co-ma:
Lion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, but he had hc'en
told that the deficiency amounted 'to I 100 below a
- War Establishment. He should be highly. satisfied
if the statement ofahe Right Hon. Gentleman should
j'rove tube correit, but the difference on this sub-
jed called for Inquiry. He very much feared that
at • the period when the Peace- was made the
_num-
ber of shipwrights and artificers in the Dock-
yards were reduced 400. below a Peace Establish-
ment, and this too at a time when a large num-
ber of ships were in want of repairs. Respedin
the Ships, he should like" to know whether any new
Ships had been laid down, and whether the ,Ships
which had been laid down for years were now going
on with. It had been said, in • opposition to the
proposal for building Ships in MerchantsVards, that
an aaion had been brought against tlie Builder of
the Ajax, for not performing his contraa, but that
Was surely no reason why Ships should be built no
where whatever. The Motions of his Hon. Friend
did not go to the disposition of our force, bUt to
coOvarattve statements, which were neeemi(ry to
the elucidation of the subject. Whether Gun-brigs
ought to be employed on the Enemy's Coast, or on
our own, he would not pretend to decide, but that
made, no difference as to the amount of our force ;
and when the House were In possession -of infor-
_ Oatnation, it would be for them to decide whether
bur force had been properly applied or not. He
---agreed perfectly with respeft to the ability of Lord
Sr. VINCENT as a Commander, although he might
disagree with. resped to the conduit of.that Noble
Lord in other. departments. They' hail .only now
to consider ads of omiasion, but perhaps at a future
time they might have to consider ads of coturriis:.
'eion, and particularly relating to matters of-easen-
tial imnertance; respeaing the personal liberty of
the subjed laud cry of r.l hear !)
The CHP,NCELLt)R of the EXCHEQUER, in ex.
planation, said, that he alloded to the number of
Shipwrights employed in the Dock Yards.

Mr. STLIRGES BOUNE'said, that he alluded
to Aiiifieers is general, and probably the difference
en this sui,joa was the beet refutation of the Right
lion..Getir kiwi-2s statement.

, Sir. WM. gLFoRD sai4 than when ariWs'tenta_
tious, severity was exercised by the Admiralty, the
source from hence:it originated < tight to be pure and
uncontaminated. He was proceeding in an
nation of the c nduct of the Admiralty, 't.ilicrt he;
was called to order by

• The SPEAK ER, whL. re:.7.ind'A cf the, qucstjen
befote the Hou-r.

€ir EL o D ‘v-ns proceMi.,g; when. a
Cry/ of •r./.'r hi.ll tol.l(ikA' 11. -
ap. 4E kng

the Motion,' and went into a variety of tietaikil
calculations in support of his argtoneots.
Sir IV. CURTI,S, expressed himself satisfied with
the oreaentNaval Administration of the Country.
Mr. COURT EiV AY was for the produation of
the Papers on the grounds advanced by Mr. Fox.
Mr. FONBL ANQUB shortly delivered his senti-
ments for the IVlotion.
Mr. PITT, in the course of a reply of very con.
siderable length, to which the latepess of the hour
precludes us from doing any thing like justice, ‘ob-
served„that the very able and powerful manner in
which a Learned Gentleman near him had enforced
the Motion, appeared to.him nearly decisive. The
House, by the line of argument adopted by those
who opposed the Motion, was called upon to refuse
information of the most important and necessary
kind, because if such information was given, it
would carry into the mind of ParliamCnt a doubt,
which doubtoit was held against him, would pre-
clude all farther inquiry. Let it be considered what
that doubt was : it was of no less importance th‘ao the
question whether the Naval Force of the Country was
sufficient to meet with success, an attempt at inva-
sion avow edly expelled in. the course of a very few
weeks, perhaps days, and which invasion was of that
nature and charader as to.threaten the very existence
of the Country !, A second doubt, and which was
inseparable from the Motions he hadoffered, related
to the very important question, though perhaps not of
the immediate magnitude or importance of the for.
mer question, whether timely means were adopted to
ensure a supply of that.shipping, and of theSe ves-
sels, which a protracted contest
.would, in future
periods, render necessary, either for the Defence of
the Country, or for terminating the contest. with
honour and advantage ? It was urged against him,
anal particularly by a Learned Gentleman who had'
spoke late in the Debate, that a case was made.out
by him sufficiently strong to authorise the eroduc-
tiotof the Papers required. He-thought, liowOrer; •
that such a proceeding was not necessary in the first ine
stance ; he had little more than a simple statement
of fads to aospicate, and_ the information which was
required would prove the cotreEtness of what he'
advanced. It was essentially, necessary to know,
in the views upon which he came forward, what
measures were taken to augment the existing Naval
Force of the Countiye oot only under the itripres-
sion of its immediate defence, but with the view of
effeetnally prosecuting the War in future—hut if
these documents shotild induce doubts upon the sub-
jed, was it not more than ever necessary that they
should be produced, in order. that Parliament should
not remain io a state of doubt—and that the real
situation of- the Country at present, in these most
itnpottant points,. should be known ? Was not the
interposition of Parliament under such a considera-
tion evidently necessary ? Pursuing this line of argu-
ment with the greatest success, he contended that
there existed, prima fade, strong grounds for
going into an Inquiry into these important points :
no claims :of confidence could militate against it,
and he scou:ed the idea of any real danger which
could arise from such an investigation as he had
proposed-. Adverting to the idea of an Hon. Ba,
ronet, that under the present Administration of
'Naval Affairs, he could sleep sounder than ever
`upon his pillow, secure of the National interesti,
being properly taken care of in these respects, he
observed that these grounds of security appeared
to hiin in' a very different light indeed ; the sleep
might be sound, but it must be the lethargic sleep
of death, which could not be aroused to a sense
of the present danger in which the Country was
placed ;—their may sleep on, did their conscience
or the dilates of _prudence suggest to them, they
may do so. When they were told on the part of
Government, that the production of the documents •
called for, would create doubts on their minds, he
contended, that if such were the case, even if it
would tend to increase the confidence and strength
of the Enemy, a. position which- he by no means ad.
mined, as it tended to militate against the immediate
sources of the prosperity of the Country, still the
interference of Parliament was the more .necessary,
'and by which alone, in such a case, real and sub-
stantial security could be obtained ; they should
not suffer themselves ;to remain in such -a state
Of delusion. He could not avoid troubling the
House with a few short remarks upon the
turn which the Debate of that night had taken.
He had come down to the House with an
understanding, obtained in consequence of the
communication made of the nature of his Mo.
dons, that it was the intention to accede to two
heads of the information called for, without objec.
tion,, though one of those involved a necessary in.
ferenee of going into the reniainder. He thuS- was
led to .think that he had been relieved from the la-
bour of proving the case to that extent which the
conduct of Ministers afterwards rendered appa-
rently necessary. His surprise 'was not a- little,
when a Right Honourable Gentleman on the
bench
‘below .reproached him for corning for-
ward with such Motions without laying suffi.
cient grounds fur an Inquiry. He would leave
the House to judge of the candour with which
was neared, when he was called on to- argue the
question on such a principle.. He repeated, that he
could not in fairness ,be called upon to go.farther
than state his case in the first instance, as it was to
he supposed that the• documents called for would
prove it. The case bore two distinct features ;
respecting the first, he would undertake to prove
by argument, that the circumstances of the Coun-
try from the danger of Invasion, from the*manio
.festly increasing preparations of the -Enemy,: and.
.from the -daily expeatation of their attempting
to -realize their threats, called for a greater pro,
portion of that kind of force more particularly
adapted to meet the ,threatened attack, than at any
former period, beyond comparison, out of sight
a 'greater proportion but that in point of fad it
possessed it in a much less
_degree, and farther,
in a still., less degree than might at present
be created
.and maintained ;.--though the ebiect
at stake was the actual safety of the Country,
.andthe.guariling it against a greater evil than ever
'yet hung over the head of any Country : the*Second
-feature was, ahat a gross- defeat and omissiop ob.
tamed in the layiag a ,necessary foundation fit:-
.constant soaplyut Few, force,
,which mute [hal any
other would enalaeot his Country to carry tl7e
War. Me.a this ,kind were the more ne.ces-
atrie as it o, obiootis, riot after a Log ceerse of
service 1 I.ift war, the wear • and tear (Ri
side, He wcuhl appeA us Ille

7a..1 IJC

House, whether admitted doubts upon a case, in-
volving such considerations as he had stated, did
not make out as strong a ground for Parliamentary,
interference as it was possible to conceive ? qon_
scious of this, he was not a little surprixed to hear
a variety of general suggestions made by one Gen-
tleman particularly, long a powerful opposer of the
measures of Government, but whom, he doubted not,
would one day become a powerful supporter thereof.,
—A Right Hon. Gentleman also seemed to entertain
the idea that he was panic-strUck with resped to.
the Invasion. Of that he should not then speak,
but it may be important to consider how far His
Majesty's Ministers were panic-struck or
.not upon
that point ; how far their panic obtained, or. whe-
ther they at present entertained different sentiments
of the menaces of the Enemy [Hear! Hear]. This
may in some degree be estimated by the measure of
their exertions. He was of opinion the Noble Earl

at the head of the Admiralty, in whose. praise so

,much was said that night, was as little liable, in
one sense, to sensations of panic, as any man that
ever existed ; yet as a rational man, he must re,
gard a seriously impending danger, so es ro take
measures of precaution, commensurate to his sense
of that danger. Their opinions of this impending
danger, when one part of their exertions, in the
lines referred to in his seyeral motions were consi-
dered, nay be deemed different, when their prepa-
rations in another way were viewed. The danger
was avowed to be immediate ; they had added an
increased Militia to a Reguiar Army, which
however was by no means so perfett as he could
wish, when they called upon the population .of the
Country to arm itself. In these measures Mini-
sters agreed With him. Was there any Collusion in
this part of their conduct ? They went `farther,-
impressed with the apprehensions of invasinn, they
trenched upon the comforts of individuals, upon the.
industry - and, the resources of ,he Country :, was
this all collusion on their part .? Or did :hey not
so far -manifest therneelves to be tlEt9ated by a simi-
lar panic with himself uoon.the subject. otelnvasion ?
Thai, he would ask, why not bring art equal degree
of exertion into the Naval Department, a line in
which, above any
;nth/ r, greatest exertion should
he made, more especially whit its N ivy, even under
the dieettion of one who h_ol, utteo led its, Fleets
to viaory, to liereior; end L.) glory ? Were not:those_
advantages derlyab:e from the insular, ;situation of
the Ceuntry to be improved and aeted upon, and was
our Navy, yvhich had extended its fame, its power,
influence, cnintneree -and conquest, even to the most
distant 'quarters of the, World, which had raised
this Country to a place and rank in the scale with
other Nations, beyond what the proportion of its
population or natural means seemed to entitle it--
to be negleaed, and suffered to remain in inglori-
ous inaaivity, and at a time when it may he ren-
dered its best means of defence, and considered as
the true palladium of our secut icy and independence ?
Let the respettive situation of the Contending Na-
tions at present. be compared to what they were at
the commencement of the late War, and, the Naval
Force of Britain at that period, ana„ at the pre.,
sent, be compared, and considered. At the be-
ginning- of the late. War, when. France was torn
by internal divisions, agitated by ten thousand
restless fitaions, when the fear of Invasion, com-
paratively at least, was to be exoefted from her—
yet such considerations did not .circumscribe the
naval exertions of the Country., In adverting to
the:naval conduit of the late War, some Gentlemen
in their,candour seemed to forget, that t.vo Fleets
alone ever. escaped from the. conquering Nay of
Great Britain. Whenever the Enem) 's Fleets
joined battle, it was but to ensure new. triumphs
for England, and new laurels to the Commanders
of her vitiOrious Fleets. At the present .crisis,
when France strained every nerve to collect a
Naval Force, and which by dint of exertion
they created in a marine; pocky artificial. Should it
be said, that, England; Maritime England, should
not exert herself in an equal degree, .and open new
sources to ensure her maritime preponderance,? Ad-
verting to an idea idea thrown out by an Hon. Gen.
tleman,, that his arguments went, to recommend. the
disbanding Vessels of the Line, and an abolition of
the King's Yards, he observed he had to complain
of that as a misrepresentation of his argument, as he
had in some other instances. It was with surprise
he heard that Honourable AdMiral make him
say, that no assistance was. to be expected from
Ships of the Line. He would appeal to the
recolleaion of Gentlemen, if he had ever uttered so
ridiculous, or so absurd a sentiment. This led him
into some detailed observations on that part of .Na-
val, taaics. In deep water he was perfectly aware
of the service of Ships of the Line : Frigates and
other large Vessels were proportionably service_
able even in the attack of-a Flotilla, but he donbied,
whether these could destroy so large
.a rpropor.,
lion of them as would be necessary, in the few
hours of sailing previous to the time pf their. de-
barkation—large vessels would, at least,..throw
them into confusion, but with the description of
Vessels he had in view, the advantage could.. best
be followed up and' improved. Speaking olpaits of
our Coast, in the defence of which the smaller de.
scriptions of Vessels would' be, of essential service,
he instanced the shore from Havant to Portsmouth,
off many parts of which the water was so shoal, that
large Ships, however serviceahle they may be in
mid channel, were totally. unable to follow them.
That such a force as he had in contemplation might
easily 'be set afloat, was proved, by ttie fad of
a great number of Volunteer Gun-boats which
.were offered to Government, and that with a
Most laudable spirit and zeal, notwithstanding the
discouragement held out by the present Boatel of
Admiralty. Another species of Naval Force in which
they Were greatly deficient at present, was'of A large
description of vessels ;"he principally alluded so Gun-
brigs, these were favourably spoken of by the oopo
sets of the Motion, ; they constituted ,a very effica-
cious part of
,the force,at preseot under tord KEITH ,
to the number of 20 ; and these Brigs w ere built
under 'the Naval Administration of Elrl SP ENC E
and were subsequently employed with tie .iporoba-
tion of his successor Ea'rl ST. VINCk NT. Several
Gun-boats were ordered by the tateoe eteehie y
the same model of those' but in the idle War,

with this not-immateriA differc•ncr, Ci't'y ttetc
a, longer time in 'building, and Ic).s pttica in .the
c'xccutton, when built. T;te f the late
so far as it w 4. Ltpan, was
st:lan.,d by the AFprobatia" Awni;
rdby• had bten s:it:i re,p-c,i—j. many of

the Vessels bent uni.ler the late Administration,
were jobs; though several Might have been
work, yet it did not follow they were the less servio-a'ne,t.
In the much-vaunted keforms of the Admiralty,hed i
these considerations would be kept separate e wise a" teee
dent men would rett what may be injurious in prav
and retain that which waS serviceable. . He' was s°rc
observe that much unfounded prejudice obtained ay,aillsmere
pradice of building-Ships of War by Contract, and In.
chants' Yards; yet the plan was most successfully
upon in the late and in the American War. • The stteess`he,
of the late Naval Administration spoke much. againstlen.
practice Of hiring' Vessels, and yet they acted upon the l?
lie here entered into some comparative statements ofit
small craft, Gun-boats, and Armed Cutters, einploYet;_d
different periods in the date War and in the present,
er—
concluded by Observing, that though the greater
crt
gency -and necessity existed for this species of i orce, stilLq
was, procured in a much less degree ; and be cootended tilt*,
such. Flotillas could even in the present circumstances of -
Country, be' very expeditiously manned, and the whole couln
diitted in such a way as to give complete security to °:e_
Coast's,- without diminishing the energies of any .otiler, the
scriptionsof force. Feeling the truth of this state 'on
case as he did, he-Must aver that the re Hired inforMat&.,
was Ito less necessary in point of candour to the Board.of
miralty, than it was due injustice to the Public. lele,rePel'eere
in a tine strain of irony and ridicule, those shafts Whic.b ;vo-le
'directed againsrliim by different Gentlemen' who oppose('
Notion, and dwelt with :lie happiest% success on tile incon'us
r,
sisteneles displayed by the Board of Admiralty, in vary
parrs,of its tencluct. Recurring to his' line of serious argue
Though
mangyhesid,. the Put:lie Safetyall he airried,2tat
Though no nerated the
.charaeterof the Noble Ea",eo
• the bead of the Admiralty, of was more willing tts rendered
tributerof applause to-those glorious'A &ions he had perforilir
in the .Naval Service of his Country, yet he could nevi_
consent to sacrifice to his reaped or his feelings for that Phit
last and Noble Lord, the parautdunt duty he owed t°
us
Country and.to the Public. He next proceeded to point qoa
various instances of miscondud in the Naval Acninistra,t;ett
of the Country, among which he 'lllsta:iced the delay'r'ts
were sult4ed to rake 'place in the building' of certainvessref
of ditlerent descriptions : they were parsimonious in "eveile
hist:l44es or. the expedition money; which, on the occasioos- ,e;
alluded to, could not be ill b.estowird. Were they appielieo%:'
they should haVe too many(. mi.-Wats ? -A certain n tun Der ‘,‘,l of
only to be empioyed. Like the English Hero in the fie'
Agincourt, they did not wish for one Gun-boat more
single boat beyond a certain number would he suffered t°lthe -
taf:e of the glories of the light. Fie requested pardon °t,'•
House fur so long troubling them, but the importance °` his
subject, and the necessity lie was under
of vindicating
owii character irons -rnisrepresentatioil,' led hint into
t I liar- 9 • - • , vita
Ile then -proceeded to touch upon the .second'generea'i ,gs
of tile • subject, and which related principally to • ento'-;t
future adequate Supply yr Naval Force. In this Ite,
adverted to the pracfree of building Ships of War Ol,‘ellt.
act,, ore in Merchants' yards. Two-tiiiiirs of the 1):;,-01,
Navy
"proved
so oult : .the experience of a long ser-'rt-
year. proved rrile utility of it, ar -I the „eater , tt
oue
two long and arduous Wars, the-late arid the All'e'*Jtee
Under therNaval .Adniinistration-of that intelligent 'l,--eoe;it
man, the late Lord SANDWICH, who, hadtjte}rers the
of the assistance of one of the most able -ConaPtrpi aeon-
Navy evor had, Sir CHARLES IMIDDLETC.N, the 1,!.3 ,";
, -.Jrc,131 be-
siderably obtained. Even in years of peace, the "'",;s.itig'9
tween the. American and Cie late Wars, a.' nuinbe'
,ere uui~
fafudroiptitleydre,pvaiitrield
rienspethde KtoingE'ils
Ships were bnilt in Merchants'ar yards : thesear va9 •
thaa t.
better built Vessels, generally speaking, could itot be found
—it was idle to say, that such a practice robbed "!'"e.
King's Yards of their proper province..
an odd argument, when in the same breath ,alley This was rat•'ll.l
rn
of the total want of regulation in those Yarcls• t s"--oas
be considered the building in the Royal DockeYardsbe
iieeessarily. limited,
_a certain not-ober of Ships etitild 0,0111.,;
built therein ; they were,
pairs, which ttare nature of the services tlre Ships NV, ie. .1. di,
Pat-11'1-0
employed in, would renderfrequently necessary.. Ile, vt,''s;
cated the charaders of those emplqyed to build the h'ti:let
among them 'were as resPeetable. persons as could be "ctier.
in the commercial walkS of life. " These various cons,)o,,
ations were, he arguedi.essentiaily connected with te.heeeloir
lie safety. He possibly incur the charge of
then, in putting to a certain degree his 'own to .c.O-nipet.toti
with -professional authority ; yet-.- without the inirrteldi
tion of vanity; he, thought he might take some ror
for iniermation in these respeds, when- the .01.1i-jil
pities, which the situation he bad the - fiotiour to ''ttbrd'
the Government of the: Country for seventeen years 3 • tiid.
ed him of information, ;vas considered, and whel.-:l4'ee,
share. Of reSponsibil?ty which fell to him in seeh.-017;
was taken into the allowance: llper4ons -tit)4l. ri;
were not to he' held 'as competent to decide in a (enteral";:t
gree, _there would be en end of deliberation and co', elc
abinets, and Parliament tnilht abdicate some of
important lunetions. He was solely attuatettin thus -it.c,‘"
forward by Jmotives of publie,disty. No admirattion,
ever- great, of the character of an individual, or even Poufs
etoe due for services to any character Ul person, ,s.and
ever induce him to make a sacrifice of his pubocewe
Parliamentary 'duty. He continued to speak of 'tl'.ee'olo'',,-
fes'sional character of Earl ST. VINCENT in strains 0' ~;erl'
gium. He:Was -happy to see* hiM placed in his P'roie
situation, to which, lie conceived, at one time, I-6'd Oa
would be a tower of strength, and way
been his language. However, in his estimation, ti
rib disgrape .to acknowledge that he had at ooe
..004
formed a sanguine op/11-lob, which -subsequent exPel ;11
to 0,
indeced Isimeto alter.; .. and being sa disappoirded,
Lot upon the preconceived epinione- but Upeit thaereosed
• tiired by experience'. He was sorry: that what he Pr"''',orf,
.May tend in seine degree implicate earl T. N•C.,-atiOn
'but he pad to repeat, that no tenderness, no consid'stooti,
for filar character, 'high and ,great as it- rieservedlS
,etiosef
should bikini: him to sacrifice his duty to the Vtiblict,i .610
,s'llety, such a crisis as the present ivas the first
his heart. b ciceS'
After Sir W. P u leis EY had said a few words, t- °-
r
tion waS very loudly called for, when the Stranger)
teore
tiered to withdraw, preparatory to a division; the were
sion, however, cominued sometime after the Strangcrusocier-
excluded. At length the. House divided, fallen ‘'‘c
stand the numbers were, '
For Mr. PITT'S Motion .
Against it atii-L-Major.te ‘1.3
Adjourned at Two o'Clo'ck till the ustial hour

THE SU N.

SOLEM QUIS. DICERS FALSUM AUDEA •

LONDON, ,M A 8 C iB°4.

" Queen's 1-Inure, 11larch' i 6,

"his M-AjtsTv continues to recover. '
(Signed) as L. Pzi vs. " F. MIL:,II'I4/ii4.''
" H. R. REYNOLDS. " NY, Hi. Biko 0,0
-01°c
it iS MA.) Es-r Y walked yesterday morning in the iv one
adtertrisatapnpf
aredc qvuuiitlecici hiesarsluunil.
Gardens, front half past eleven o'clock until Pe3`.
the
!ironed to Me!. t•
31:.
...I,
Queen's House to-morrow.
o'c‘lvoeckt,ln
. -110;i11
The report is repeated, that P lox EC 'kr.' baS been gui.. '
and that Moir. EAU will be transported to Guiana• ~ ill_
~. e
PLYMOU'ITH, . MARCH 14.. —Arrived this ev-, *,,,513/
.Swedish Brig Telemacho, from Nlorlaix, from vviin'lololls,
brought the following Inglish PaSsengers,- *vitri .1‘7,.
MACNAMARA, of the foist Regiment,. and Serv-zcts;po-;-
1\4%. and Miss FIOTT, Mr. SCOI', Mr. YEn, 01,1',:;,. til','
SON: Sailed from Morlaix yesterday rnorntng• <, .-sels;(t.
Vessel intelligence is received, that the Merchant V C.'ider 0,
Morlaix, to the number of' fifteen, were seized be ocibefil;
Government, about ten days since, Pir the puEl'ue --
''''l
employed in the. Expedition .rigaiiiie this CouritrY-1:0 lee..
Owners of. them lied • been previonsly' applied t°,:boye PO
tlnai-to Government, but on-. their rerusal, the 4_,,,, iri.e,
rempfory measure took place. "colonel MncSio'4„soiell',,,,i
Mr. Pio-T.l' arid Faintly, were detained at the 01'; sig,tl7l.
meta or the War, and th:. Passport for the tonna ,:',voayciiii:,
by the Chief Consul so long ago a's• the 13th of l',llle tite'd
since whieh he-has been twice arrested by a felegr'r,g v(i'cro
Tor
from Paris ; the last time was. for/ navci...-T'lter
for the Union, between this' Country an 4 tr,el,2,inz 00'...11., a,,
were yesterday morning, twelve Gun-boats tY•"c',s 0), of
isle 01 Was, supposed to be destined tor Bouloi:,ne, d slool.io
We Blociiaii-t or A.loriarx, ix, .iii English Frigate gflf 1100.'5,11
ar, woutd pt rant then' tii escape. iii,, iJ,-.", (jetioi:=s"`„o,l
'l, SI tll kepi up among uic people with. 45- 1110";07,10) .(„0-
aS the Clue; Consul can nispire General P le' id Jie ‘.‘i to
(, ECrft GXS ~,,re ootir taii..-31 about ten nay 3 StliCet M ~,i. ii,
are "'r • Ini
beesfld as •,..•r, i
.as .v...ra aE. AU. Tilt: two nee .
~,p,,a ori,
uit or....ight to iiie C;uiiioline, bat it is :diLs''',, tho P 1
1 1,-
nion-tttat the ~reat popularity 01 tut latter Ivi. .......-'
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01 say.iL., ins: r k.:
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--- i!„)..1.- Stab„
L0n'..16,1,,-. I' riAed .by r,. Ni'lvlll..:-Nt'l (g'.,., Alt!
Co r.:ni-baitlen; ; ~risl 'l' iinlish,l. 1-i). \\' IL'' 1 A....i(lll.:Ve''
SCRIPe, ~-ii- -3-nttli Moltop.strwret, cr(Thv'n.
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