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London, England, 1867-08-06 00:00:00

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I-LOUSE OF LORISS—LAsT EVENING.

The LOUD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at
five o'clock.

TIIE REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE BILL.
On the amondiuents on reports being movel,
Lord RUSSELL proposed to loavo out clause 4, page 2,
line 82, which substituted £l5 for £l.O in the lodger fran-
chise. Ho stated that such an alteration would bs most
impolitic cud attended with great dissatisfaction amongst
the humbler classes.

Lord DERBY said that ho must say that he had con-
curred
in the propriety of raising the amount to £l5 from
£lO. It was proposed because it was considered they
would introduce a greater number of persons of stability
by such an amendment. He would advise their lordships,
taking all the circumstances of the, lodger rating into con-
sideration, that they should not put themselves in anta-
gonism with the other house, but accept the amendment
of the noble earl opposite.

Lord HARDINGE said that he approved of the course
pursued by the Government, and, much as ho objected to
many of the points in the bill, still he thought they ought
to do all they could to pass the bill this session.
Lord CAIRNS said that if he had known that it was
the opinion of the Houses of. Parliament that £lO clear
rating was considered sufficient for a lodger franchise,
he should bo•very willing to submit t) their decision.
The amendment of Earl Russell was then carried.
THE TIN IY.ERSI TIES.

Elrl GRANVILLE said that there was a strong objec-
tion on the part of the authorities of• the Universities that
undergradirttes should take part in the election for the Uni
versities of towns and boroughs. It was urged that there
might be a "town and gown" row, to use a vulgar expres-
Sian, on.thaa-ary day„otetlie election. He. trusted that
they would take the opinion of the university authorities
on the matter. Ile should propose that no man at the
universities who had not taken his degree should have a
vote.

Lord CAMOYS quite agreed with the remarks of Lord
Granville with regard to undergraduate members of the
universities.

Lord POWIS disapproved of the amendment to the
clause made by Lord Granville.
Lord DERBY opposed the motion, and could not for a
moment imagine how any arguments could be adduced to
justify the disfranchisement of the most highly educated
and enlightened members of a constituency simply because
they happened for the time being to be residents in college.
The number that the clause would admit to the right of
voting was almost infinitesmal, and ho should regret to
see the noble lord's amendment carried.
After some short explanations between Lord DER➢Y and
Lord GRANVILLE, the question was put, and the non-con-
tents against the introduction of the clause had an im-
mense majority.

There were calls for a division, and the bar was ordered
to be cleared, but eventually it was not pressed, and the
clause was negatived.
On clause 5,
Lord STRATHEDEN moved the insertion of words
altering the county franchise from a rateable valu3 of £l2
to a rental value of £2O. This motion, which would vir-
tually alter the whole principle of the bill, was supported
by his lordship in a long speech, delivered to a most cold
and inattentive audience. At its conclusion,
The Duke of MARLBOROUGH simply stated that
under no circumstances could the Government consent to
the introduction of the proposed words altering the whole
principle of clause 5. The amendment was then negatived
without a division.

On clause 17,
Lot d HARROWBYmoved that, instead of the two mem-
bers proposed to be given to the borough formed by the
parishes of Chelsea, Kensington,. Fulham, and Hammer-
smith, one additional membar should be given to each of
the constituencies of Westminster and Marylebone.
Lord DERBY, however, said that the Government could
not consent to such an alteration, and the amendment was
negatived nein. con.
On the details of the Marquis of SALISBURY'S clause,
allowing the use of voting papers at elections, all the regu-
lations were agreed to, with trifling verbal alterations, up
to rule 7, when Lord Carnarvon proposed a change to the
effect that when the voting papers were filled up they
should be forwarded by the justice of the pea-e to the re-
turning officer. The noble lord, however, withdrew his
amendments, as the carrying out of the same arrangement
was provided, by another clause in the regulations.
Tho other clausa‘ as amended in the bill were then
agreed to, and the report of the committee received.
Lord DERBY said it was the intention of the Govorn-
mont to read the bill a third time to-morrow in order that
it might be returned to the House of Commons at as early
a date as possible.

Several bills were advanced a stage, and the house went
into committee on the Courts of Law (Ireland) Bill. Some
discussion arose on the clauses of this bill between Lord
Cairns, Lord Cranworth, the Lord Chancellor, and Lord
Kimberley. Eventually the clauses, with verbal amend-
ments,
were agreed to, and the bill passed through com-
mittee.

The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
their lordships adjourned at 20 minutes to 9 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COAIIIONS.—LAsr EVENING.

The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock.
ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL.

Mr. NEWDEGATE gave notice that on Friday he
should call the attention of the house to the report and
evidence taken before the Ecclesiastical Titles Committee.
THE REFORM BILL.

Mr. GLADSTONE asked the right hon. gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, on the return of the
Reform Bill to that house, he would state the course the Go-
vernment meant io adopt with respect to amendments that
had been made to that measure in another place. Ho
asked the question so that members might be made aware
of the intention of the Government at th 3 earliest moment.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
did not exactly understand the question. They had no
official information as yet as to the amendments that had
been made to the measure. Tho usual procedure in such
cases, he believed, was to wait for the bill being returned
to the house with amendments, to hay.) those amendments
printed and placed in the hands of hon. members, after
which the Government would state the course they in-
tended to take with regard to the amendments. Ho should
follow the precedents of the house on the occasion.

Mr. GLADSTONE said he did not wish to press the
quostion, as he was sure, considering the period of the
session, the right hon. gentleman would give the earliest
information on the point possible. The question he had
put was whether, when the bill was returned to the house,
whilst waiting for the amendments, the Government
would at once state the course which they intended to
adopt without waiting for the printing of the amendments.
It would be a great convenience to the house if the earliest
intimation was given of the course the Government in-
tended to pursue.
• ATROCITIES IN CANDIA.

Mr. O'BEIRNE asked the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs whether his attention had been called to the state-
ment which appeared in the public newspapers that
telegrams had been sent to their Governments
by foreign consuls in Candia, that " the Turks
are massacring women and children ; the Turkish
authorities are neither able to subdue the insurrection-nor
to put a stop to those massacres ; humanity demands the
immediate suspension of hostilities or the transference of
the Christians from Greece." And whether ho had re-
ceived any such communication from Camila ; if he had,
what was its date, when did it reach his hands, and whether
he had any objection to place it upon the table, or to
state its contents to the House ?
Lord STANLEY said his attention had been directed
to the mat or, and he had vcoived a communication from
Col. Dixon that the Turkish Government, so far from being
incapable of preventing acts of atrocity, did their utmost to
prevent the recurrence of such cruelties, and the perpe-
trator or perpetrators were punished with tho utmost
rigour.
THE SOCIETY OF ENGINEERS.

Mr. HUGHES asked tho Vice-President of the Board
of Trade whether it was the fact that the Board of Trade
had reported against the granting of a royal charter of
incorporation to "the Society of Engineers ;" and if so, on
what ground had the Board of Trade so reported ?
Mr. CAVE said there was no objection to grant a
charter of incorporation to the body mentioned ; the ob-
jection was to the name, which was similar to that of the
Society of Civil Engineers.
GREEN WICII HOSPITAL.

On the motion for going into committee of supply,

Mr. SEELEY called the attention of the house to the
management of Greenwich Hospital, and entered at some
length into the management of various departments, all of
which, he contended, were mismanaged ; and he also stated
that ho boiieved gross jobbery existed throughout the
administration of the entire establishment. The hon. gen-
tleman concluded by moving that the cost of Greenwich
Hospital was too great, and ought to be reduced.
Mr. CORRY said he was not responsible for the present
estimate, as it had boon prepared previous to his entering
on the duties of office. He had looked over the matter,
and ho agreed with the hon. gentleman that the cost of
management was too great, and with a view of ascertain-
ing whether it was possible to effect a reduction
of the cost a committee had been appointed at
the Admiralty, which had been prosecuting a most search-
ing inquiry, but he regretted the committee had not yet
been able to present their report. As the matter was being
thoroughly investigated, he hoped his hon. friend wcpuld
not press Ida motion to a division. •