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_ again, or to part with it by selling it in several
small portions, there was this declaration of title
affirmed by the court, which wouli enable the owner to
deal with the property in every way, as long as that de-
claration should endure. Was there any danger that per-
sons who should claim title in such estates might be
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wronged by this bill ? No iojustice of the kind occurred
in consequence of suits for specific performance. His
Lon. and learned friend opposite had raised several
objections to the jurisdiction of the court proposed to
be established, but the cilia objections he had heard
appeared to him, when carefully considered, to answer
cach other. One o' ject'o i raised by his right hon.
friend, who proposed a select committee, was that this
court would have power of directing issues of fact or a trial

by jury in some distant part of the country, while on
the other hand the hon. member for Aylesbury (Sir R.
Bethel!) raised a difficulty that, in order to give a good
title the court would usurp or invade the functions of
the Court of Chancery, and we might have a conflict of
jurisdictions. He thought that these objections were
more apparent than real. In the Probate Court they
had there, as here, a second and distinct court, in which
questions of magnitude and importance might arise, and
the Divorce Court was another instance, but there was
no conflict of jurisdiction ; there was provision made for
any difficult questions which might arise. If such a
question of fact arose in reference to the title of a large
landed estate, which might come under investigation in
this new court—a question, for instance, as to the com-
petency of the testator to make a will—there was a
proviso under which the judges of the court might direct
an issue to be tried by a jury, or enaction to be brought
in the same way as an action of ekctrieent brought to
recover the land, and disposed of in the same manner.
It was said that there would be a confl ct of jurisdiction
with the Court of Chancery, and a conflict of decisions,
but the bill provided an answer to that. The bill said
that when any difficult question should arise, a case
might be stated for a court of law, and there might be
an appeal against the decision of that court,
which appeal at last might be carried to the House of
Lords. There was one objection more which he had
heard with considerable surprise. The objection was,
that if this court were established, proceedings would
take place which would have the effect of drawing away
from the Court of Chancery a great deal of its business.
It would, he thought, be the greatest praise which could
bo bestowed on this measure, to say that all who wanted
to investigate title, should find it convenient to go to
this court instead of to Chancery. With the able and
sincere assistance which his right hon. friend would
derive from hon. and learned gent'emen opposite he was
sure that any necessary corrections could be made, and
that there would he no difficulty in providing all neces-
sary safeguards. If his right hon. friend should be suc-
cessful in carrying this bill through Parliament he would
confer a great and lasting benefit upon the country.
Lord J. RUSSELL rose not to enter into the details
of the bill, but to make a few observations on the mode
of proceeding with the bill, and as to the general prin-
ciples involved. The hon. and learned member for Ayles-
bury (Sir R. Bethel!) had agreed with the proposal to
refer the bill to a select committee. He had listened to
him while he gave his reasons, but it appeared to him
that there were some great principles in the bill which it
was necessary that the house should decide, and he could
not think that it would be satisfactory to the house that
this bill should go to a select committee, without reserv-
ing their own power of deciding on those principles.
(Hear, hear.) As to the framing and wording of the bill
he doubted whether in a select committee there would
be greater agreement between his hon. friend (Sir R.
Bethell) and the Attorney-General than there would be
in this house. (Hear, and a laugh.) He thought that
the learned Attorney-General for Ireland had hardly done
justice to his right hon. friend, the Master of the Rolls, to
whom great gratitude was due in reference to this sub-
ject. Sir R. Peel by a measure of a totally different kind
had caused extensive settlement of questions as to land,
but his measure did not resemble Ole. The question
involved was one which had been entertained for a very
considerable time, and he remembered that Lord Cot-
tenham could not be persuaded for some time that there
would be any progress in reference to encumbered
estates, unless the persons who bad encumbered gave
their assent to proceedings. Sir John Romilly proposed
a measure which was afterwards carried, and Lord Cot-
tenhane assented to that measure, and by that means
this piece of legislation was inaugurated. He was very
glad that learned gentlemen who had had full opportu-
nity of observing the working of this bill, and to whom
comp'aint would have come if there had been any, had
been so well satisfied that they were prepared to estab-
lish a court of the nature contemplated. When he came
into the house be was disposed to think that the Attor-
ney-General had carried the principle of the bill some-
what too far. In the beginning it was a very strong
measure, and though they might take a certain course
as to encumbered estates, it was a doubtful matter
whether they could carry that principle out in reference
to other species of estates. He himself was satisfied that
they could carry the principle somewhat further, so as to
make it apply to estates fir sale ; but he thought that
the learned Solicitor-General had proved very clearly
that they could not stop short there either in law or
practice, and that other estates, which were neither
encumbered or for sale, would be brought by their
owners, by some species of evasion, within the compass
of this court, and that, therefore, it was better to de
directly that which otherwise would be done indirectly.
(Hear. hear.) He did not think it followed that when
they heti very much enlarged the sphere of this measure
that they should then proceed to make the number of
judicial offers of the court smaller than it had hitherto
been. (Hear.) He thought that the proper course
would be to keep up the three judges which they had
hitherto had, and that it should be declared that
in case of a vacancy it should not be lawful f.r th.
crown to fill up the vacancy without having recourse
t i puliateent. He thought it seemel unwise, without
ion sing the hardship in any particular cal e
that Mr. Hargreave, who had been for many years
in the exercise of his judicial functions, and had sue
ceeded in overcoming prejudice and giving great satis-
faction ; he repeated that it seemed ' ise instead of
giving that gentleman a sufficient salary to do the work
for which hp was competent, that they should give him
a very considerable retiring pension without requiring
any Bereitee-whatever. He hoped that the author of the
measure would consider this matter. It seemed to him
that hie_ light hoo. fr end the member for Ennis (Mr.
Fitzgerald) said that persons who could get their estates
disposed of at a small cost in this court would no longer
go to the Court of Chancery ; but it seemed to him that
this was not so much a reason against this measure as it
was a reason for diminishing the expenses of the Court
of Chancery, and doing away with some of the forms of
that court, rather than clipping the wings of this new
court. He should readily give his vote for going into
committee oa this bill without having a select com-
mittee. He trusted that in establishing a court, which
he had no doubt would be very useful to Ireland, it
might hereafter be useful to England ; and he must say
he was glad that the government was giving attention to
this measure with the view to carrying it this session.
Mr. MALINS thought that there could be no second
opinion as to the principle of this bill ; and the only
question was, whether there should be a committee
of the whole house or a select committee. No doubt
a select committee would embrace most of the prac-
tical men in the house ; and it they could insure
their attendance constantly, he should feel inclined
to concur with the proposition of the right hon.
member for Ennis (Mr. Fitzgerald). There, however, it
would be a discussion between lawyers ; and though it
would be the same in that house, there would there be a
considerable body of assessors. On the whole, he was
in favour of a committee of the whole house. He con-
curred iii the universal opinion that the Encumbered
Estates Act had been of great advantage to Ireland, and
he thought that the same principle should be extended
to unencumbered estates. Not that he thought that
there were many unencumbered estates. (A laugh.) He
was surprised that his hon. friend had not adhered to
the principle of making this court a branch of the Court
of Chancery. He was surprised to find in the 38th
section the power was given to this court which had
been taken away from the Court of Chancery. He al-
luded to the power of sending a special case for the opi-
nion of a court of law. With respect to land generally,
there were more mortgages than sales of estates, and
therefore he did re it see why the mortgagee should not
have a parliamentary title as well as a purchaser. He
believed that a great number of the estates purchased
under the court had been mortgaged immediately after.
lie was for at once proceeding to a committee of the
whole house, and for rejecting the proposal for sending
the bill to a select committee.
Mr. I. MITI' entirely approved of the principle of the
bill, but objected to it as not going a step further in
making the transfer of land as easy as the transfer of
stock. He saw no insuperable difficulty in connection
with land to prevent so desirable a consummation. In
Ireland they had a system of maps which would enable
them in a moment to identify the smallest parcel of land
in the country. This was with respect tto land the great
difficulty, but in Indeed it was adiffie; ty overcome, and
therefore he did not see why the present desirable oppor-
tunity should be allowed to pass for making a most im-
portant piece of legislation complete. A great defect in
the working of the court was the expiration of the
parliamentary title with the first purchaser. When
the property teas purehae.ed in the court the title was
declared to be indefeasible, but if at the end of ten years
the purchaser wished to sell he was obliged to go
through all the expensive searches and delays of the old
system. Why not allow this indefeasible Parliamentary
title to be transferred with every transfer of property ?
(Hear, hear.) He had also complaints to make of the
machinery proposal, which with an increased amount
of work, was to be very much diminished in numerical
force and efficiency. The hon. and learned member
proceeded to point out matters of detail in which he
thought the bill was imperfect, and from which he con-
tended that a discussion of it before a select committee
was indispensable. It, therefare, the right hon. and
learned member for Ennis divided, he (Mr. Butt) should
go into the lobby along with him.
Mr. ADAMS was opposed to the motion for sending the
bill to a select committee, considering that every point of
investigation had been exhausted by the royal commis-
sioners. With respect to the number of judges, it should
be remembered that the amount of business would most
probably diminish year by year, and then let them remem-
ber how difficult it was to remove a judge when once ap-
pointed, while, if the business increased, an addition to the
staff soul I always bo made with facility. (Heir, hear.)
He did not believe that there would be, as had been stated,
more difficulty in dealing with unencumbered estates,
than was experienced in dealing with the encumbered
estates. In fact, even fictitious encumbrances were got up
for the purpose of obtaining the Parliarnentarytetle But
they were not about to establish a new principle, but
merely to extend the application of a principle that had
been eminently successful. They had the machinery ready
to their hands—a machinery which had been found effi-
cient in carrying out the experiment which had been made.
The great difficulty.of increasing the number of small in-
dependent freeholders in Ireland class which formed a
most valuat;le portion of the population of this
,country—
had been the expense of clearing off encumbrances, and the

clearing up the title, the expense of which, when the pro- interesting and valuable contents of the British Museum,
porty was divided into small holdings, was as great as the National Gallery, and our other national collections.
value of the hand. He did not think it would be wise to add (Hear, hear.)
a branch to the Court of Chancery for dealing with this , Sir J. SHELLEY had listened to the speech of the
class of property, while they had all the machinery for an ; Chancellor of the Exchequer with great pleasure, and
independent and an inexpensive tribunal. He should sup- ' hoped they would hear no more of removing the National
port the motion for going into committee. l Gallery to Kensington. (Hear, hear.) The trustees of the
Sir E. PERRY believed that the history of the Encum- British Museum were not to blame for the non-opening of
bared Estates Court showed it to be the most successful the institution on Sunday, which was the act of the house
instance of law reform that had been witnessed in modern itself; but he thought the Museum might be kept open to
times. But the success was attributable to the work being a later hour on week days.
done by the commissioners themselves instead of its being Mr. COWPER did not think that the artisans of Lon-
deputed to masters and clerks, and to the rule they had don were so hard worked that they could not pay a visit
laid down, that mere matters of form were never to be al- to the British Museum in the course of the six working
lowed to interfere with justice. But instead of this satis- days of the week. They could, at all events, visit it if it
factory court the right hon. gentleman proposed to estab- were open in the evening of those days. It was said that
lish a court of the same rank and position as the Court of if the Museum were lighted up in the evening there would
Chancery—to raise the salaries of the judges—to give them be great danger of its being destroyed by fire, but careful
clerks and an expensive establishment—the result of which watching and reservoirs of water would prevent such a
he believed would be to destroy the efficiency of the catastrophe. If the library were not to be opened to the
tribunal. working classes in the evening, the trustees, who had many
Mr. MONSELL expressed his gratitude to the right duplicate copies which they did not want and desired to
hon. and learned gentleman for introducing this measure, get rid of, ought at least to be empowered to give them to
and he hoped it would be proceeded with as rapidly as mechanics' institutions.
possible. There was nothing he should more deprecate Mr. AYRTON did not wish to enter upon the subject of
than the referring this bill to a select committee, which opening the British Museum on Sundays, as it had been
would be composed principally of lawyers. He thought decided by a large majority that it should not be opened.
the bill so good that it would be most unwise to risk its But he desired to state that all the inhabitants of the nee-
being injured by the alteration which a select committee tropolis would hear with very great satisfactionthat we
so composed would be likely to make. The various sugges- were going to get rid of the Kensington-gore establish-
tions which had been made were all matters of detail which went. (Hear, hear.) He believed that the minds of all
might be well discussed in committee of the whole house. people would be greatly relieved when they heard that the
Col. GREVILLE also thought the right hon. and consideration of that question was to be no longer ember-
learned gentleman was entitled to the thanks of the house rassed by the peculiar ideas of some people in relation to
and the country for introducing this measure. The Encum- that property. But he hoped that the Chancellor of the
bared Estates Court had worked beneficially, and the time Exchequer would take care that he should not be over-
had arrived when the benefit of the parliamentary title reached in the bargain. (A laugh.) He thought the right
should be extended to unencumbered as well as to encum- hon. gentleman would do well before he concluded the
bered estates. The 15th clause was open to objection, be. bargain, to call in some person cognisant of the value of
cause, the court being permanent, he did not see what ob- land in the neighbourhood in questian, in order that the
ject the proprietor could have in obtaining the Parliamen- public might receive fall value before they relinquished
tary title until he wanted to sell his estate. There was their part of the property. He hoped that care would be
other objections, but they all referred to points of detail, taken to secure to the public payment not only of theprin-
with which the committee of the whole house on the bill cipal, but of the interest that had accrued. He was glad
would be perfectly competent to deal. that the question of the National Gallery might now be
Mr. WHITESIDE was happy to be able to inform the discussed irrespective of that particular estate. He had no
house that the had not received a single communication doubt that a desirable site would be easily found in the
from Ireland against the bill. (Hear, hear.) The bill cer- centre of the metropolis for the erection of a National
tainly was the result of the very best consideration which Gallery.
the Government could give to the subject. The power Mr. JACKSON hoped the Government would inform
given to the new court was not to organise the establish- the house distinctly as to the terms on which the partner-
ment of Chancery suits, but to effect the sale of estates. If ship in the Kensington property was to be dissolved.
the house when in committee should object to the clauses Mr. KINNAIRD believed that the land in the Immo-
appointing the conveyancing clerks, he would be quite diate vicinity of the plot of ground in question had this
willing to have the clauses struck out. At the same time, year increased at least three times in value. He trusted
he thought it would turn out that the house would be of that nothing would be done to alter the vote to which the
opinion it would be well to retain them. With regard to house came against the opening of the British Museum on
Mr. Hargraves, he had only to say that a clause would be Sundays, but that it would be opened during some of the
introduced into the bill declaring that should that gentle- other days of the week at such hours as would enable the
man be appointed to any other office under the Crown of working classes to visit it.
greater or as great emolument as the retiring salary allowed The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it
to him, that salary would forthwith cease. With respect would be better to refrain from going into details on the
to the case oflHr. Flanagan, of course the Treasury would Kensington property until he introduced a measure upon
adequately provide for the claims of that gentleman. it. (Hear, hear.) He might, however, observe with re-
Mr. J. D. FITZGERALD then withdrew his amend- spect to the statement of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Kin-
merit, and the house went into committee on the bill pro naird) as to the increase in the value of land in the neigh-
forma, for the insertion of certain verbal amendments and honchoed• in question, that that increase had taken place
with a view to the bill being reprinted. with regard to land for building purposes ; but the land
The house having resumed, immediately went into corn- purchased by the Royal Commissioners could only be used
mittee of supply. for the original corporation—via., for the purposes of art.
THE BRITISH MUSEUM. Mr. CONINGHAM submitted that the British Museum
Lord J. RUSSELL rose to move the estimates for the ought to be opened to the working classes five or six days
British Museum. The increase in this year's vote was in the week. The state of the Museum might truly be said
12,8301. The increase was owing to several causes. In the to represent the state of civilisation and mental culture/.
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first place, the increase of salaries, secondly that the ap-
No one who walked through the thoroughfares of theme'
pointment of a new officer, the keeper of the mineralogies ; tropolis, and saw the frightful monuments of celebrate&
and thirdly, to the augmentation in the amount to be men, could help regretting that those who had to decide
voted for the purchase of books. The sum that would upon the erection of those monuments did not take On
henceforth be asked each year for that purpose would be trouble to visit the museum and inspect the wonderful au'
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79,2751. for the purpose of the museum.
Sir J. TRELAWNY asked whether any steps were
being taken to admit the working classes to the museum
on Sundays after divine service ?
Lord J. RUSSELL did not think the trustees had any was instrumental in preventing the removal of the plotters'
power in this respect, or that if they had, they would exer- in the National Gallery beyond the reach of the inhalli•
vise it to open the museum upon the Sabbath. (Hear.) tants of the metropolis. If the Royal Academy were re,
Sir J. TRELAWNY pressed the justice of throwing moved from Trafalgar-square the National Gallery would
the museum open to the working classes on Sundays. be large enough to contain all those pictures for which the.
Mr. GLADSTONE said that the House of Commons, was now no room. We had expended 10,000 i. for picture.
not the trustees of the museum, should determine the which we kad not room to exhibit. When the estimate°
large question of throwing open public buildings on the for the National Gallery came on he would take the sees.
Sabbath. (Hear, hear.) of the committee upon that mismanagement.
Sir J. TRELAWNY7 would takoan opportunity of test- Lord ELCHO thought that if any justification viers.
ing the sense of the House of Commons on this question. needed of the observations which had fallen from him la
Lord ELCHO referred to the want of space at present reference to the British Museum it was to be found in the
felt in the British Museum for the various collections. speech of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He might all°
Some beautiful specimens of marble had recently arrived be permitted to say that he was extremely glad to hear
from Halicarnassus, and there was no place to put them in. from the right hon. gentleman that there was an end of the
lie recommended that the collections of natural history— long-debated question of the site of the National Gaol;
luau of which were duplicated, and in some cases tripli- The vote was then agreed to, as were also one of KO"
cated—should be removed from the Museum. Dispersed for new buildings, and one of 5,0001. for purchases. the
over the metropolis were several collections of mineral The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and
produce ; and it would be a great advantage to systematise house resumed.
them. Ho hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who
took a deep interest in the subject, would grapple with it.
Mr. GREGORY fully bore out the complaint of the
noble lord as to the deficiency of space for additions to the
collections. The hon. gentleman also stated his intention
of pressing on the house the expediency of inaugurating
lectures in the museum for the benefit of the middle class,
Mr. DUFF put in a plea for an augmentation of the
salaries of the second class of officers in the Museum. The
experiment of lecturing by Professor Owen had been at-
tended with distinguished success. These minor officers
were also well qualified to lecture on the various subjects
with which they were daily made familiar.
Sir P. EGERTON expressed a hope that some facilities
might be afforded to the working classes on certain days,
to view the treasures of the Museum.
Mr. TITE was of opinion that the natural history col-
lection might be removed with advantage to the Limean
collection. He asked the noble lord the member for Lon-
don whether greater notoriety could not be given to the
various munificent bequests which were constantly being
made to the museum? He thought the question of salaries
ought to be left to the managers of the museum.
air J. TRELAWNY urged that the museum should be
opened three days in the week, after the working hours of
the artisan, and that on Sundays the working classes
should be admitted to that portion of the picture collec-
tion illustrative of Scripture history. -
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the question of opening
the Museum on Sundays was a matter for Parliament to
settle. The Mediaeval collection, perhaps, might be re-
moved with advantage, but others it would not be advan-
tageous to remove. The trustees had considered the pro-
position of throwing the Museum open in the evening, and
had come to the conclusion that by adopting that course
there would be a great danger of fire. In the summer,
however, the hours during which the working classes could
view the Museum had been enlarged.
Mr. J. LOCKE pressed the hardship of depriving the
working classes of the opportunities of visiting these idify-
tng collections on the only day at their unlimited disposal.
Saturday half-holidays were a farce, if the men were
mulcted of their pay on those days. Me believed that the
feeling of the house was in favour of opening the Museum
on Sundays, and he hoped they would give practical ex-
pression to it, notwithstanding the counter feeling amongst
certain constituencies.
Mr. GLADSTONE reminded the lion. member that the
house had already expressed an emphatic opinion against
throwing the Museum open on the Sabbath. With regard
to the case of the minor officers of the Museum, the fact
was that their salaries had some time ago been augmented.
The question of methodising the various collections was
too large a one to be dealt with in the present. discussion.
His own opinion was that ultimately tho collectious would
have to be separated.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed with
the right hon. gentleman that the time would come—in-
deed, he might say had come—when they must consider
the question of how the public collections of this country
could most effectively be arranged. This was a question
which could no longer be avoided. He was not at all pre-
pared to say that the consideration of the question should
be postponed. Committees and royal commissions had
completely fulfilled their tasks ; all the information re-
quired upon the subject was in the possession of the house,
and what was wanted was a determination to avail them-
selves of that information, in order to act upon it. He
felt it was the duty of the Executive Government not to
shrink from the question of the British Museum, as that
would probably be the first establishment that would com-
pel them to come to some solution of the difficulty. It
was in the various, almost the universal, character of that
collection that the difficulties which the house had now to
contend with found their principal origin, and he was
afraid they would not be able to encounter the obstacles in
their path until they simplified the contents of the Mu-
seum. If they maintained the various collections of which
the Museum consisted in a manner to preserve their cha-
racter as first-rate collections, it was impossible that they
could keep them under the same roof. The only condition
under which they could keep them under the same roof
was that they should become separate collections, a cons
elusion which the nation would not readily sanction.
(Hear.) Allusion had been made to the frequent and mu-
nificent efforts which the country had made at intervals
to obtain proper sites. Without space nothing effective
could be done, and it was the want of space that had been
the cause of the scattered position of our collections, and
of our being unable to effect, that convenient, arrange-
ment which was so necessary for the public accommoda-
tion. A great effort was made six years ago, when
he proposed that the House of Commons should vote
a Bum of 180,0001. in aid of a sum of equal amount,
which was the balance left from the receipts obtained at
the Great Exhibition of 1851. With that unite I sum,
amounting to upwardswf 300,0001., an extensive portion of
land at Kensington was purchased, with the idea that there
would be an opportunity of our scattered collections find-
ing a home where they might be seen to great advantage
by the public. That site had been held by the Royal Com-
missioners on behalf of the public ; but it was useless to
disguise the fact that the expectations which the house
indulged in when it voted 189,000/. had been entirely dis-
appointed. (Hear) The partnership between the Exhibi-
tion Commissioners and the House, though conceived in a
right spirit, had not boon fruitful of results. Objections
had been raised to the site itself, as being at too great a
distance from the centre of the metropolis ; other causes
had operated in the same direction, and the result had been
that, though a considerable period had elapsed since the
purchase of the Kensington estate, few of the great objects
contemplated had b en accomplished. Indeed, the only one
had been a temporary museum of science and art, but the
success of that establishment had not, as perhaps might
have been expected, inducedthe public generally to change
their opinion upon the main question. The question now
was, what, under these circumstances, was best, to be done ?
lie had to state that the Exhibition Commissioners had
made a proposition to the Government which he thought
deserved the attention of the house. It was to dissolve the
partnership which had been so barren of results. The
Commissioners called upon the Government, in the first,
place, to assist them in carrying out the original scheme,
but the Government did not, find themselves in a position
to do so, and then the commissioners proposed that they
should repay to the country the sum of 180,0001. voted by
the lioue of Commons six years ago, with a moiety of all
rants received during the interval. On the part of the
Government he had assented to that proposition, subject,
of course, to the approval of the House. He believed
they would find it a prudent and advantageous arrange-
ment. (Heir, hear, hear.) The Royal Commissioners
would thus become the sole proprietors of the land
at Kensinaton, and would be able to devote it to the
purposes of science and art. There would be an en lof
all those jealousies which hail so long prevailed, and all
intention or power of placing the National Gallery at Ken-
sington would of course be given up. (Hear.) If the house
agreed to that arrangement, which it would soon be his
duty to bring more formally under their notice, they would
then have to consider the question of the National Gallery
without reference to the site at Kensington-gore, (Hear.)
Thus would terminate an old and painful controversy.
(Hear.) He trusted that the discussion which had taken
place would convince the house and the country of the
necessity of encountering difficulties which could no longer
be procrastinated, and that some satisfactory arrangement
would soon be made for-the accommodation of the highlY-

SUPPLY REPORT. We.
Mr. FITZROY brought up the report of the Comm
of Supply.
On the question that the first resolution, granting see°
of 46,1301. for solicitor-2 charges, including Mint proseew
tions, be agreed to.
Mr. HAMILTON took occasion to state—several gilt
tion9, he said, having been put to him in reference to tr
balance of those votes now lying to the credit of the dirt.;
rent services in the Exchequer—that, as a member oil;
committee upon public moneys, he entirely approved to •
suggestions which it had made. It would no doubt
desirable to carry into effect the recommendations of
Committee on Public Moneys as soon as possible, but th°14......
were great practical difficulties in the way of doing _11;.;
and more especially in reference to those votes which
taken not in accordance with the actual sum spent dnri
the year. In certain votes that were taken the sum T 0
~.A.
became chargeable for the service for which it was loTo
without any reference to time, so that where there raja
sarplus in one year the sum asked for in the next year 71,0
not represeat the sum expended. It was not so with
votes for the army and navy, for the sums voted for tb h
services were restricted as regarded the time for whi°2;
they were voted to one year, and any balance which the
might be was returned to thei ry
Exchequer, and before the
recommendation of the committee could be carried in e
effect the same system which prevailed with regard to the
wavy and army estimates ought to be extended t the
civil service estimates. Another difficulty was that ,be
civil estimates were voted after the expiration of fot
financial year, and therefore it was necessary to prow .?:10
the period between the end of the financial year and the
time when the votes were taken. The hon. gentleman 70
proceeded to show by reference to the estimates, tb.it
various votes the actual sum required for the serva7oo,
the year was not the sum specified in the vote, and cold
right hie observations by expressing his hope theeold
right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer WO,.
bo able, during the present session, to propose soMe111.#1;•
sure by which some of the proposals of the con 2011"
would be carried into execution. (Hear, hear.)
A conversation ensued, in which Mr. Wasoli, 0-or
WILLOW/HET, and Mr. RIDLEY took part, on • the
-
gestions of the right hon. gentleman. ,
On the vote, including a sum for the Law Clerk ,
gister-office, Edinburgh, of
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said that he had given nreatol:
his intention to move that the vote be recolnea`"„ete
Since the decision of the house last night important OW
were laid upon the table, sill it was essential that 00
should be in the hands of members before the sot% De
finally determined, He begged to move that the vet
re-committed.
Sir J. TRELAWNY moved that the house adjonlipthst
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hell oat
the hon. baronet would not interfere with the progr°
votes in supply.
' Sir J. TRELA.WNY did not wish to do so, bubo.
understood that the salary of the Law Clerk Register
open to immense objection, and he wished to stop iNfile
After a few words from Mr. COWAN and Mr. ,400
SON, the amendment was withdrawn, and the rasa,"
proposed by Mr. Hamilton was agreed to.
The remaining resolutions were also'agreed to.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT BILL.
This bill was committed pro forma. E 3
OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSIV
ESTATES, &c., BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed. .
HAINAULT FOREST (ALLOTMENT Or'
COMMONS)) BILL. Oto
This bill, as amended, was considered, and ordered
read a third time.
GENERAL POST-OFFICE (EDINBURGO)b.
Lord J MANNERS obtained leave to bring in
empower the commissioners of her Majesty's or
acquire property for the erection of a new Genera/ •'•

office in Edinburgh.
The house adjourned at half-past one.
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