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riot.) of them all. 'Upon this tubjeA, however,
he begged leave to say, the Honourable Gen-
tleman
.had not done justice to Ministers, for Re-
presentations had been made upon almost every
one of these topics. He then proceeded to prove
this, by reatliog from different parts of the Cor-
respondence, the instructions which were given to
Our Ministers, Mr. Liston at the Hague, and to
Lord Whitworth at Paris. He said he should not
go over all the grounds of these instr Onions. With
regard, however, to Switzerland, he would ob-
serve, as the Hots. Gentleman had particularly no-
ticed our condua in that respea, and maintained
that we had a right to interfere in the case of
• Switzerland, because it was the case.of the strong
overpowering the weak, and justified the con.
dirkof His Majesty's Ministers. in the instruc-
tions which they gave to Mr. Moore in that re.
sped—their ohjett was to maintain the inde-
'sentience. of Switzerland, and they expressed that
object by ?.ar. Moore, and intended to support the
Swiss, until it becameimpraCticable by their being
overwhelnied,—However, the interference of this
CoOntry had not been totally useless in that respea,
for alt Cough our wishes were nut accomplished, yet
much had been accomplished by our exertions, for he
had reason to apprehend that our exertions had been
the means of preventing the First Consul from de.
daring himself their first 'Magistrate ; this had been
efiteted by the efforts of His. Majesty's Ministers,
and it was a gratification to thorn to find it so.
He was cinvinced of this from the infOrtnation
of those who had an opportunity of observing
What passed in Switzerland, .and from which he
learned that the interposition of His Majesty's
Ministers in that respea had been beneficial to the
PeOple of Switzerland. More might have been
done, had their disposition been properly supported,
and more would have been'endeavoured by Ministers
in that case, but it was discovered that there- was no
corresponding disposition in the other Great Powers
of Europe to make a common cause with the People
of Switzerland. There were therefore no farther
means'leffin this cenotry for that purpose. The
course which he should take would be to shew, that
the whole of the conclua of the Government of
France, takerocollealvelY, was manifestly the cm/-
aims to injure and insult this Ceuotry, and that it
was under a eonvietion of this (minus, that the
question of Peace or War was properly to be-
decided. Ile Meintaincd that all the pmts taken
colleaively, manifested that animus. An imputa.
/ion had been cast on His Majesty's Ministers, as
if they had negleaed their deity, in not having de.
.Manded satisfaction upon points, as they occurred;
.but it did appear to him, and he trusted it would
appear to the House, tha(aatisfaaima had been de.
mantled on each particular case which -required it.
°He then receired to the Correspondence in several
particulars relating to the Repot t of Sebastiani, from
which, l,e contended, it appeared to lie the deter.
minati )n of the iqeech .Government to interfere
With respea to Egypt, and to coiolua itSelf con:
trary to the eepress provisions of the' Treaty.
of , Amiens, which prsvided for the integrity
Of the Turkish Empire ; and to various other parts
of the Coerespondence beeween Lord Whitworth
•aisti the French Minister, as well as to the lung
oonferfoca therein detailed, as h took.place between
L'ird Whitworth and the Chief Consul himself; and
ako to whit related to Malta in patticolar, arid
maintained that it appeared from these Extracts,
that His Majesty's Ministers had never omitted
any part of their duty, but had with great care and
atteotion endeavoutad to perform it. Having ex-
patiated up:in these topics for a considerable time, he
it appeared in every article that it was
the disposition of the French Government to avail
itself of every opportunity that eccurrede to ',hew
hostile temper, and to manifest a determination
'of going' to War, or of rendering War inevitable ;
and proceeded to shew that they had made prepara.
Lions for that purpose, by an augrneotation of their
fotces, for, that it appeared that from the 4th of
February to the 4th of March, IEO3, an Army was
to be paid 24.3 millions of !tyres, voted for that
year ; an& the charge of the Navy was larger in
proportion for the same period, amounting to 1.16
millions of byres. Fir then went over she material
parts of the Correspondence, 'as they applied to the
offer that was me de for the guarantee of Malta by
the Emperor of Russia, 3:e. and alledged the-reason
why suds a guarautor did not take place. He made
several comments upon this part of the case, tend.
ing,to shew it was not the fault of this Country
that this part of the Treaty was not carried into
fun execution.

The Hon. Gentleman had said, that he believed
the War might ye; be avoided : the War could eer,
tainly not be avoided, because the War was already
begun ; but if the Emperor of Russia, or any other
tonsiderable Power, should be pleased to interfere,
with friendly intentions, and make any proposition
tat a practical nature, by which Peace may be re.
stored, he was sure there was not any individual in
the House, or in this Country, who would-be more
glad-to attend to it than himself; and he would go
further, and say, that he should betray his duty to
• lii, Sovereign -and to his criuntry,if he did not
endeavour to forward such an 'understanding, always
remembering, that such °Ned should appear
.prac-
ticable before it should be.recomMended to the con.
sideration of His Majesty,, anti also consistentwith
the Honour
.of the Crown, and also of advantage to
the Country ; he meant not the apt arent advantage
in the opinion of some persons, but the real advan.
rages of the People, and to give them' the ad.
vantages -of: Peace to. give us the 'proved of
Pence, - He was not so vain as totalk of a permanent
Peace ; hut a real prospeet of the real enjoyment of
Peace. Whenever thatproposition should be thought
advisable ro'be made, he should feel a great satis-
hefion in being the instrument in laying. it before
His Majesty, and in advising His Majesty to chew
:hat which i e had indeed invariably manifested, an
inclination to Peace, when Peace can, be obtained
with rinnour, and a repugnance to War, when War
was a.: ridable ; :but under the present circumstances.,
he :ih:•uld deceive the Country, if he said he saw
ply thing in the disposition of the French Govern.
meta which warranted such an expeNtion, We
91;ght-tbctel'o;e• prepare for meeting all the
cutties contest, If by any, false ad 7
-,ve were to be lulled asleep, or to relax iivon:
et d: for the preservation of the State,
;11 d by - hich ouy security wes maintained, and

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leave all our chanee to the caprice of fortune,
not only should we then not discharge our duty
to the Country, but the Country itself might
not then be at any great distance from ruin..—.
He was desirous this should be impressed on the
mind of every individual Member who did him the
honour to attend to him, that he did not, and that
he. could not ask for support on any thing less alai
a conviction that he who does support this system,
must make up his.mind to great sacrifices in a case
which required them, and which had beet proved
to be necessary, as he had stated already, and which
had been recommended by the highest force and au.
thoriry in the House yesterday, (that of Mr. PITT).
—We must provide effeaually for our domestic se-
curity ; many persons, he was aware, must be
put to great inconvenience, and they must suffer
great deprivations for the purpose of having the
Country secured against the danger 'and the.hatrcd
with which it was already menaced. He wished to
impress upon the House these truths ; that the pre.
sent War was founded-oreunavoidable necessity, and
that there is in His Majesty's Ministers, a sincere
disposition to terminate this War, whenever it can
be terminated with honour ; but he was also anx.
ions to impress, upon the House, that it must make
up its mind to meet our difficulties properly, in
the face, Tlie only regret he felt was, that state
to which the House was necessarily driven, by
the want of unanimity ; he would therefore in.
dulge a hope, that the Hon. Gentleman opposite to
him 'who had moved the Amendment last night (Mr. -
GREY), would Antifice a private opinion in. this case
to the advantages of unanimity. The Hon. Gen.
tleman opposite to him, whin opened this Debate to.
night, had well and patriotically said, there was no
sacrifice consistently with conscience, which he
would not make for the sake of unanimity in this
case. He said the same thing, and Ministers in-
treated that no Member in the House would feel
the slightest expression of , approbation on any
part of the conduit -of Ministers, .either to pre.
serve Peace, or to any. Terms here made-r--Un.
der these-circumstances, what the motive could .be
for depriving the Country of the • benefits•of una-
nimity on this most, important occasion he could not
possibly discover—;the difference between the den.
timents contained in the Address and those in the
Amendment, in -the opinion of any man of plain
common sense, was litetally nothing. There way
no reason for depriving the Country of the advanta-
ges arising from a.gencral concurrence of sentiment
•on this occasion—He should therefore entertain a
hepe that the Hon. Gentleman would examine at-
teocively the words of the Address propounded by
his Noble Friend, and also the Amendment moved
by the Hon. Gentleman, and then he should leave
- it to the Gentlemen on the other side to see if they
could have any-ground .far resisting the Address,—
With respe& to the Papers.,now upon the Table, he
should say.nothing of them by way of comment, he
should leave- them to speak for themselves. He
was satisfied they. furnished,abundant materials for
satisfying the House that the French were pursuing
a• course of aggrandizement, which was inconsistent
with the honour of this Country : In a word, the
cause we had to sustain was founded on incontrover.
tible justice, against insult and aggression—a cause
which had left to His Majesty or Parliament no al. I
ternative.

Sir L. PARSONS spoke in favout of the Ad
dress, and observed, it was highly necessary io
check the power and Ambition of the F►rst Consul.
The AITO RN L' CI .N.E R L assured the flu
he did not mean to, trespass on their attention many
minutes; but he could not suffer the eloquence of
the Hun. Gentleman (Mr. Fox) to pass unnoticed,
as it was a cloak t 0 sentiments which were calculated

to destroy the unanimity of the House. The Amend.
tent he did .not so much objet !to, as his Speech
that accompanied it ; . the arguments which the Hon.
Member had offered to the. House were'calculated to
do much mischief, as they. were founded in inge.
nutty. He had talked much of the value of the
blessings attending Peace; the House. also knew the
value of Peace as. well as the Hon. Gentleman, but
he would say, that Peace could not. be valuable to
the Country when maintained at the hazard of. our
ruin, and perhaps. the loss. of our Nation. The
'Hon. Gentleman had made an appeal to the feelings
Of the House with great.SUCCOS, and described the
miseries of War with a . very „animated pencil, but
the House was to be direeted by wisdom and not
eloquence ; let any 'man look over the Papers
now' on the Table. relative to the Negotiation be.
twee.n this Country and France,: and he was sure
it would be .immediately acknowledged,. that the
French wished to destroy the British power. Every
person who has considered tire subjca without -pre.
Judice, must see thc,neccssity to check the ambition
and overgrown 'power of the First Consul. ' The:
Hon. Gentleman had laid down principles,
,which,.
would serve Bonaparte, and. alto furnish- him with •
arguments for the justification of his condud. Mr.
Fox had observed that, the War was quite unneces.
sary, but he thought if ever a War was commenced
on an honourable; principle, it is, the War we are
about 'to enter into, and, lie hoped there would be brit .
one opinion on the question, that we may be able to
stop the alarming increase of a Foreign -Power.
The Amendment, supported. by the Hon-. Gentle.
man (Mr. Fox) tells us' to give our hearty support
to the War ; bat. that Hon. Gentleman's Speech
went to destroy' the loyalty of the People, and hii
sentiments were quite oppOsite to 'the Meaning of
the Amendment. Hd did not wish, at this late hour,
to intrude on the time of the House, otherwise he
had materials before- him that would ennvince 'the
House of the immediate necessity to commence a
War against a powerful and dangerous EntiOny.
.Mr. IP:,INDHAM said, it was not his intention
to trouble the House many minutes, but the argti.
tents offered by 'Mr. Fox appeared to him as falla:
cious,-and he could not but express hiadislipproba-
tion of the sentiments delivered by that Ron. Gen.
tleman, The question before the House was certainly
of considetable moment' ; he could not apprOve of
_the Hon. Gentleman's (Mr. Fox) 'arguments; if
arguments they may be called ; that Gentleman
had told the House that it was his wish to suspend
hostilities, in order to see whether the' Negotiation
may not be kept open for the benefit of a Peace
this would. be giving time to our onemy
and doing us a considerable' injury, he could rt,
but think the arguments which- the finnenr..l,,e '
Gentleman hid offered td the . House went ii_l-;::
poisoned arrows to eadli Member, and was the, ('q's,:i