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London, England, 1858-06-29 00:00:00

LONDON, TUESDAY E,VENUNG, r, 29. 1558.

IMPERIAL PArLIAMENT.

livii-ERIAL PA EZLIALIficT.

Closing Prices
yesterda v

13trinev
this day.

HOUST:: OF COMAIONS.—(Tbi Day.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.— (YESTERDAY.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat o❑ the wool-
sack at five o'clock.

The SPEAKER, took the chair a' 12 o'clock.

The Lords' amendment to the following bi!l3 were
eonadered and greed to :—Andover Canal Railway,
D. al Foreat Turnpike Trust, Cade Railway.
The f Mowing hills were considered and ordered for
third reading :—Great Southern of India Railwpy. Com-
pany, Toes Conservancy, Warrington and Stookrrt
Railway (Capital).

The Duke of SOMERSET presented a number of pe-
titions in &your of tb9faholition of church-rateP.

The Earl of CARLISLE presented similar Fettucine.

STATE OF THE TLIAMES.
Lord RAVENSWORTH brought up the report of a
cfrtain railway bill on wlOch he bad been aitti. g in one
of the committee room of the house, and complained f
the iucmavenience occasioned by the noxious vapours
arising from the rivf,r Thames.

Thu Earl of MALMESBURY said notice of a ques-
tion on the subject of the present state of the Thames
having been given, be was now in a pos:tion to state the
Government ha.i taken immediate measures for tem-
porarily alleviating the evils arising from the prspent
state of the river Thames by
during the hot r, on the plan adopted with
_refit ell=ellB at Leicester. The Government were ready
to pass an act of necessity to guarantee the payment by
rates on any capense ircurred in the process, but it had
been thought most sdvisAble to defer permanently deal-
ing ‘-vtlt the state of tilt: T 1 anic u►+ it aot,noo' PC
,auitary ri(,t be ailopted with,ut
iri .u,dy e- the 1 ve, ibuee nga the
process. Lie also thou-At is would be mo=t unwise to
take any hasty steps, l.ut be could assure the house that
t!,e Government would ese their utmost endeavour to
abate the evil in the meantime.

Lord BROUGHAM urged upon the G,vernment the
great itnpor anei of takinv. the ino-t efftetive meaqures
to improve the present toe ii state of the river.

In reply to a ques.ion from the Duke cf NEWCASTLE,
Teo Earl of MALMESBURY said the Grovernment
only intended to proceed with temporary measures for
the preselit..

factory manner by reading services which spok. of "the
malice and bloodthirsty" designs of their fellow-
subjects. (Rear, hear.) Such services might stir up ran-
cour end bitterness, bit, they could never afferel < ny as-
eistaiice to sober controversy. nee who was ohce a mem-
ber of their lordships' heuse was once asked to expre-s
in a few words the main advantage which was d• rived
from the connection of the Church and State. "The ob-
ject of the connection," he said, "was not to make the
Church political, but to make the State religious.
(Cheers.) That was a wise and a noble saying, and one
that deserved to sink deep int ) their lordships' minds.
It way, moreover, a true saying, so far as the services cf
the Church generally were concerned. But be would ask
their lordship' whether the answer as rine:de:l their-
special services would not have had to be exactly the re-
verse ? Could they doubt that their of ject was to make
the Church political? (near.) In fact, it was mile feeeete
they were seldom used that tie-t' e• bit ereieetteet.
Whatever it it le I e she cs ue of the motion with which
1., (tee ,ogle ear') was about to conclude, he should
never regret that he bad made it ; for he could never
regret thefeelings cfrespectand attacbmentto the Church
from which he could assure their lordships it, had sprung
The noble earl concluded by 'poring the following rear-
lotion : That an humble address be presented to her
M jetty, praying that her Mtj sty will he graciously
!•1-•?'"(:;to•tett- ii.te her royal consideration tbe nrocle-
Lei ion cf the first year. ef her Msj-sty's reign, c toward-
ing the n -e of the forms • f leaver and service made for
Nov 5. Jan. 30, May 29, and June 20 ; and should her
Mtj sty see fit, to order the substitution for the said pro-
namation ef one e'eclaricg it her Mejesty's pleature that
only the service appointed for June 20, being the anni-
versary ef her Majesty's liCefl3;, a, atilt henceforr h tie
printed ar d publiehed and annexed to the B tok of Com-
mon Prayer and Liturgy of the United Church cf Eng-
land and Ireland, to be used yearly nn the raid day."
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY was understood
to say that he had felt it his duty to resist the motion of
Lord Ehury for the revision of the Literary, because the
prevailing differences were so great that such a rretien
ete.:Cd not conduce to- the it. elfare of the Church. To
it.e prtsett motion, howev, r, he cenht see no such ob-
jection. (Herr.) On the contrary, the general opinion
was in favour of remitting these set vices frana the Prayer
Book, more especially as they did not firm any part of
the Liturgy, to which the clergy bad given their assent,
and to which they were bound toe inferai. (Hear.) Un-
der these circom-tances it would be far better that +hey
should be regularly remote), than that they should be
irreeular'y die-egarded. (Hear, hear.)
Lord EBURY eupp, rted the motion, which, in point
of fact, o• ly formed a portlot of the larger question,
which be hail irereduced to the notice of their lordships
a short time b fern. Re hoped, however, that the Go-
vernment would think it necessary to propose the repeal
of the sta.uteo, because it was laid down in Renee
t• Ecelesitstical Law" that these services might be en
forced on grounds quite independent of the royal precle-
mati re, e bite_ in reali y was not issued till the reign of
George L He had ojected to repetitions in !twit° see-
ship ; brrt he was this year at a church where the special
set vice f r the riecession was uted, arid the Q .een was
prayed fir six tutee during the morning service In the
principal collect there was a petition that the Queen
should be defended from the mtchinatiene of ter sub-
jects ; and be could not think that that was an appro-
pria-e prayer for the times in which wo lived. (Hear.)
The Bishop of LONDON said there was toe greatest
possible (tiff:ranee between the present motion and the
motion of Lerd Ehury, to which references bad teen made.
He had objected to the letter propotal, net because he
was afraid of altirat;ons ; on the contrary, he considered
that the strength of the Church of England consisted in
her adapting herself to the wanks of the age in which we
lived. It would, however, be impossible to enter upon a
general revision of the L tuigy without rai-erg many
points of doctrine; and it. was a great safeguard of the
Church of England, that from the Reformation she had
included within her pale permits of different religions
sentiments, but who could yet concur in the great funda-
mentals of the faith. Such a revision as the noblelerd con-
templated would only have led one party to expect te see
their own views stereotyped, and to get rid of those whom
it waequi e as desirable to retain as themselves. (Hear.)
The noble lord complained of the length of the Sunday
morning service ; but that was owing to three perfectly
independent services—roatint liar y, and communion—
being joined together It was the epirei-'n of the bishops,
or at least of nearly all ef there, that it was perfectly
lawful to separate these services. The reason, there-
fore, why the services were so long, was because the
clergy knew that if they applied to the bishops for
authority to separate them, they would raise a storm
among the laity. '[he laity had, therefore, no one to
thank but themselves. To the motion before their lord-
ships there could be no objections such as those, which
the motion of L^rd Ebary had ca led forth ; because
there were no doctrinal questions whatever involved in
the discontinuance of the state services. (fleer, hear.)
It, was said that the proposal was unnecessary ; but that
was not quite the case. The services were said exactly
at the tine and iu the plices were they were most (trite-
tioneble, namely, in the college chap-be If any of their
lordships mint into a cathedral on one of tee days on
which these services we-re held they wield find i bat the
attendance was almost confined to those who were hired.
But it was said that they might get rid of these services
ithout the ptozess which the law prescribe 1 ; that
they were binclieg rin rely by royal nreclamation ; and
the rot al proclateatien, it was said, Gad no force in law.
But, if that was the cars, vrha position was it in which
they placed the sovereign of these realms? Would they
say that at the beginning of every reign the sovereign
should be called upon to issue a proclamation that had
nu tierce of law ? He denied that it bad no force of-law.
Thee it- watt said that these eervic-ee-were not bind;
hecause they were centrary to the Act of Unifortnity.
Was it ersiriv le that the sovereign should, at the be-
ginnieg cf every reign, i-sue a proclamation which a
large portion of the continue:Ay believed to be contrary
to the Act of Uniformity ? He should give his vote
moat heartily for this resolution, which he was glad had
the support of his most reverend friend the Primate.
It was not d eairable that when they approached God
one word neleruld drop Item their lips which
was likely to call forth feelings of indignation on
the part of a portion of their fellow-citizens. With re-
gard to the service relating to tbe unfortunate Charles,
he won! leobscrve that whey people read an exaggerated
stet: inert, they were somehow ale ays inclined to take
the opposite side. Ho begged that their lordships would
consider ibis question as one of very great gravity in-
deed. Was it desirable that the church should exbitit
itself as using empty forms, which these services had
really become ?

The Duke of MARLBOROUGH said it was perfectly
true that the eervice to which his noble friend bad at-
luded could not be altogether defended, as far as their
ixpressi ,ns were concerned; but he could have wished
that the motion should have been modified in ssrno way.
These cervices were not to be looked upon solely in the
words in which they were composed, but as marking the
feeling of the people of this country for those great acts
of delivirence which God had vouchsafed to the ration,
and he thought they wore worthy to be retained as me-
morials of those events, which ought to be kept in cool-
lection. The acts of parliament, if they did vet!. enact
their special services, enacted that these great events
should be kept in memory. He thought the motion
should be so altered that these services, which no reason-
able person could defend altogether, should yet be re•
tamed in a modified f trot. The noble earl said the ser-
vices ought to be discereir ued, because of the objection.
ableness of some of the tx-res,ione; but if they admitted
that argument, they must ray that the whole of the ser-
V:CeH ought to be rem-delled; and indeed the noble earl
sail the motion was but a step to further alteration,
and if it were only on that ground, he should ask their
lordships riot to agree to ibis motion.
The Bishop of BANGOR said they should consider
these services as etnaeating from the Crown, and as or-
dered by the Crown. Ile considered this a question whe-
ther we should or should not adore the superintending
power of the Almighty in gran'ing to us the blessings
which we crjoyed as a nation, and hitind'ate ourselves
for former sires and transgressions. He had no doubt
that they had at one time thought very little of these
efrcumstances, and when they were at the I:juice:-
0y they thought very little f these circumstances ;
but when -they consider,d the origin elf these services
they must, he thought, form a different opinion. He did
not defend all the expressions in theme tervices, or say
thai, they c ,uld not be altered, modified, and improved,
b.t upon he w fele tie said they were such as tiM DiOUS
the land cot-AA use without rcruple. They mus't re•
member that these ,s,ervices we re importer.' as memoriels
of some of the mos, Important events in the hietery of
the country, etena of the greatest deliverances which
they had ixpeinenced as a nation, and they ex reseed
that humiliation which they must fe.l a.t 1-!;•
of their foreathrre 1.:(1,11.e eetl had tnede objectiet
1,, the the martyr Charles the First." The
fact was that King Charles lest his life for the Church
of Engine() ; and that was why to was called I.Cene
Charles the tusrtyr. These were not ol:sulete set vices,
but they were full r f vigour and power: if they ex-
puuged these services they wou'd be disclaiming the
provideece end po er of Ged.
The Bishop of OXFORD was quite sure that if they
heleved that in assenting to the proposition of the noltle
earl they were in any d'gree denying or losing eight of
their continued belief in God's superintending I rovi-
denca over the nation, or the remembrance of errors in
times past, not fitly he but every other rnern ter of their
lordehips' house would at (Ares refu:e to enter a'n this
motion. But he could not coesent ti the proposition
which h been laid down by his light reverend friend, be.
cause there sere two points which they should have in
view. The first was, whether they should retain sereiees
far any past events ; but the other, the practical question
for them wa4, whetter these cervices should be regarded
as the proper exponents ef national gratitude and ra-
tional humiliation, and he for one could net eo accept
these serv.ces. They seemed to him to have a diffcruet
tone from any of the other prayer- of the Church of Eng-
land ; they Intel nothing of the chastened d -vetion which •
had characterised the services of the Church of England
from the earliest times of the Christian church. He did
not think these services could be amended. These ser-
vices were directed to be used, but practically they were
disused, and nothing could be worse than that. He
would not trouble their lordships at that hour of the

night with any other reason why they asked the Queen
to remove these services from the prayer-book. \Vas it
the act of Parliament or the proclamation that they
wished to rescind ?
The Earl STANHOPE—Both.
The Bishop of OXFORD said be did not agree with
the►. Thcse old acts remained on the statute book as tee-

thnonies of rational gratitude, and they should be left
there. The acts of Parliament did not order theseservices,
but simply enacted that the days should be held in re-
membrance. Ono said the morning prayers shoal be used
—and th..n there was by royal proclamation added to
them these services. He did not think that the pecple
could now einceroly use the expresiimis r f humiliation
which these service-8 contained, and he thought the cer-
vices of the Church should conta;knv ccprestiou Which