The Sun.
London, England, 1858-11-17 00:00:00

VOTE OF THANKS TO THE LATE LORD ➢iAYOR.

Si; G. CSEROLL, the senior alderman present,
proposed the following vote of thanks to the late
Lord Mayor :
"Resolted, that the cordial thanks of this Court be pre-
sented to Sir Robert Walter Carden, late Lord Mayor of
this city, for the punctual, unwearied, and impartial dis-
charge of his duties as chief magistrate in the administra-
tion of justice ; for the kindness and suavity with which he
has presided over the deliberations of 'this Court ; for his
ready acquiescence in calling extra Courts where required
to do so ; for his generous hospitality to many eminent citi-
zens and distinguished statesmen of.the day ;- for the great
encouragement he has given to the Industrial and Ragged
Schools and to the other institutions for promoting the wel-
fare and improvement of the poor of this metropolis; and
for his dignified conduct in the performance of the arduous
duties of his office, and- in upholding the rights and privi-
leges of the city of London."
Sir J. MUSGROVE—It becomes my privilege to
Second the vote of thanks proposed by my friend
Sir G. Carroll. In doing so lam quite sure that
I speak the sentiments of my brethren when I say,
that we recognise in an eminent degree all that is
stated in this resolution •, that his duties have been
discharged by our late Lord Mayor in a way that
has redounded very much to his credit ; and'l think
I may also state, with very much honour and dig-
nity to this great city. There are many qualifica-
tionsconnected with the late Lord Mayor which
are not enumerated in this vote of thanks ; but
looking at his proceedings shroughout the past year
I think we have great reason to rejoice that he has
terminated his labours in a manner which demands
from us this expression of our gratitude. (Hear.)
The RECORDER having put the resolution,
Alderman SIDNEY said—l am anxious that this
vote of thanks should be unanimous, but we have here
a departure from the usual routine, inasmuch as
the resolution specially points out in detail one or
two objects which the late Lord Mayor urged. I
do not wish to raise any question respecting the
importance or non-importance of ragged schools,
but I think it is unusual in a vote of this nature
that the Lord Mayor should be thanked for the
encouragement he has given to the industrial and
ragged schools of this country. Personally I am
ignorant of what he may have done, but a vote of
thanks is either intended to embody the sense of
this court in the community in which we are as-
sembled together, or it means a mere nonentity.
Seeing that it - is unusual to thank the Lord Mayor
for any special act of beneficence, and that it would
be unwise to pledge the Court to the encourage-
ment of ragged schools (and my own opinion is that
there is nothing like the established schools of the
country), I would suggest to the mover and seconder
the omission from the resolution of the passage re-
lating to them.
Alderman CUBlTT—Although I quite concur with
Alderman Sidney in thinking that the ordinary
schools of the country ought to be supported, yet
they do not supply the wants which ragged schools
are intended to supply. I hope it will not go forth
to the world that the Court of Aldermen are inimi-
cal to ragged schools. (Hear.)
The motion was then put and carried unani-
mously amid cheering, and the resolution was
ordered to be inserted in the morning and evening
newspapers.

EMANUEL HOSPITAL.
The DEPUTY TOWN-CLERK read a letter from Dr.
Walters, the master of Emanuel Hospital, resign-
ing his office on account of the unsatisfactory state
of his health.
Upon the motion of Alderman LaWRENCE, se-
conded by Alderman CHALLIS, the resignation of
Dr. Walters was accepted, an&the question of the
amount of pension to be gvinted to him was referred
'to the Einanuel Hospital Committee.

PROPOSED COUNTY RATE FOR THE ERECTION OF A

LUNATIC ASYLUM.
Alderman SALOMONS—I hold in my hand the
copy of a resolution come to in the parish of St.
Thomas the Apostle, which is in my ward, that re-
solution being in the nature of a remonstrance
against the proposed county rate. One paragraph
of it is to this effect :—" That the imposts upon the
citizens arc already so burdensome that the cost of
erecting the asylum, if the measure be persevered
in, should be borne by 'the corporation." lam
aware that the Court of Aldermen are not charge.'
able with the finances of the corporation ; it is the
corporation at large that is chargeable. But this
document goes on to say :—" That copies of the
above resolution be sent to the Courts of Aldermen
and Common Council, and to the City of London
Union, and that the same be advertised in the City
Press." I wish, thrcugh you, to ask the Deputy
Town Clerk whether these resolutions have been
received, and if so, whether they will be laid before
this Court ?

The LORD MAYOR—As far as I am concerned, I
have received no such resolutions.
The DEPUTY TOWN-CLERK—No such resolu-

tions have been received at the Town Clerk's office.
Upon inquiry being made of me the other day by
Mr. Deputy Lott, I said that the usual course of
proceeding was to approach the Court by memorial,
mad not by a copy of resolutions.

THE GAOL OF NEWGATE.

Alderman ..-1-I;Wi-'-iti-asTe-d a resolution to refor to

the Gaol Committee the consideration of the pro
priety of effecting further alterations in the internal
arrangements of this prison. He observed that the
existing arrangements of the gaol could not be
allowed to continue. Some time ago the Court was
in communication with the Secretary of State re•
specting the gaol, and he (Alderman Sidney) was
entitled to say from what then took place that the
Government expected that the internal arrange-
ments of Newgate would be completed upon the
same principle that had been adopted in the nor,
them wards of the gaol. The classification of
the prisoners had been greatly facilitated thereby,
but they were now in the unfortunate position
of having one-half of the gaol upon the old prin-
ciple and the other half upon the modern and
improved principle. The only objection to modern-
izing the other half was the cost, persons thinking,
that the expenditure ought not to be incurred,on ac-
count of the state of the funds of the corporation.
Now, he should be very sorry that an important
matter of this description should be decided' upon
such a narrow basis. Although the corporation had
compromised its revenues, it was not in a position
to make this a consideration in deciding upon so
important a matter as the improvement of the gaol.
Alterations had been effected on account of the re-
monstrances not only of the Government authori-
ties, but also of the prison officers in their annual
reports to the Court. Considering the expense in-
curred in improving one half of the prison, he could
not conceive why the other half should be suffered
to remain in its present condition. He therefore
asked the Court to refer the matter to a committee,
when the whole question could be gone into in all
its details. (Hear.)
Alderman CUBITT had great pleasure in second-
ing the motion. The cost of effecting the necessary
improvements would not be very serious.
Alderman LAWRENCE was surprised that a mo-
tion having such a large object in view should be
framed in such general terms. He protested against
spending £B,OOO upon the gaol at present.
Alderman SALOMONS-r-The information which is
necessary to be obtained upon this subject cannot
be arrived at unless we first send the question to a
committee to investigate and report to us. Here-
after, when that committee shall have inquired and
reported, everybody will have an opportunity
most
of
fairly making their objections. I protest
strongly, as a magistrate and for the honour of the
corporation, that it should be the only one that has
not a detentive gaol upon improved principles. We
have now a gaol for the detention of persons accused
before trial that may vie with that of any other
county or city in the kingdom. Having made ar-
rangements for males, I do not see why they should
not be extended to females. Can we doubt that the
system carried on at Newgate up to this time has
been a means of propagating crime on account of the
association of prisoners together ? Take the case of
the passers of counterfeit coin. Can there be any doubt
that persons of that kind associating together before
trial must necessarily lead further to the means by
which base coin is put into circulation ? How much
better for the public and the prisoners that
.they should be kept separate before trial, instead of
being associated, that they may concoct crime to-
gether when they return to society after their terms
of punishment have expired. I have frequently been
applied to by foreigners and strangers when
beentliey
visit the metropolis to see our gaols. I h