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BILL

This hi11 was read a thild time and pawed.
LUNATICS (SCOTLAND) ACT ...kAIENDNIENT

BILL.

The report of ameodmentsi on this was received.
REFORMATORY SCHOOLS (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill passed throu.db rommittee.
HERRING FISHERIES (SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bill pas=ed tbroutzh committee.
MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS BILL

This bill was read a third time. aim r undergoing some
amendment at the hands of the Earl of Carnarvon and
Lord Ebury.
PUBLIC HEALTa BILL.

This bill Wa3 re ,d a third time and pa.eed.
CLERK OF PETTY SESSIONS (IRELAND)
BILL.

The Earl of DERBY, who said there was no objec-
tion to this bill, as it was merely a bill to pay the clerks
of petty sessions in Ireland by salary instead of by fees,
moved that it be read a second time.
Tye Earl of CLONCURRY expressed his thanks to
her MAjesty's Government for introducing so useful a
measure. It would be a great public benefit.
Lord DUNGANNON said this bill was a great boon,
although there were some of its details which were ob-
jectionable.
After a few words from Lord MONTIAGLE and the Earl
of DONOUGUMORE,
The bill wag then read a second time.
BISHOPS' TRUSTS SUBSTITUTION BILL.

The Commons' amendments on this bil, were agreed to.
A number of bills from the Commons, including the
Metropolis Local Management Act, and a variety of con-
tinuance bills, were read a first time, and their lordships
adjourned at nine o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock.
SEATING OF BARON ROTHSCHILD.

Baron Rothschild attended this morning to
take his seat. He was introduced by Lord John Rus-
sell and Mr. J. A. Smith, and advanced to the table to
take the oaths amidst loud cheers.

Mr. S. WARREN said—Mr. Speaker, I rise to
order.

The SPEAKER said the question of an hon. member
taking his seat was a matter of privilege and ought not
to be interrupted. (Hear, hear.)
The Clerk then proceeded to administer the usual
oath, but he was interrupted by Baron Rothschild, and
the clerk advancing to the chair said "The hon. member
says be entertians conscientious objections to taking the
oaths in the form prescribed."
The SPEAKER said the hon. member will please to
withdraw.

Baron Rothschild then withdrew to the space below
the bar.

Lord J. RUSSELL moved the following resolu-
tion :—" That it appears to the house that Baron Lionel
de Rothschild, a person professing the Jewish religion,
being otherwise entitled to sit and vote in this house, is
prevented from so sitting and voting by his conEctentious
objection to take the oath which, by an Act of Parlia-
ment, has been substituted for the oath of allegiance,
supremacy, and abjuration in the form therein pre-
scribed." _ .

Mr. J. A. SMITH seconded the motion.
Mr. WARREN objected to the resolution, and said
he should take the sense of the house upon it.
Mr. Secretary WALPOLE said the resolution was
simply the affirmation of a matter of fact, and he thought
it would be a waste of time to divide upon it. No hon.
member could controvert the truth of the resolution.
The resolution was then put and carried 919711 con.
Lord J. RUSSELL then moved another resolution,
empowering the house, in accordance with the act just
passed, to omit from the oath the words "on the true
faith of a Christian." _ _

Mr. WARREN opposed the resolution, and oonsi-
sidered the Act of Parliament upon which it was
founded as inconzistent and discreditable to a Christian
Le4islature. He still believed that no one professing
the Jewish persuasion ought to be suffered to sit in Par-
liament, and having thus protested against the reso-
lution, he begged to say that he should divide the house
upon it.
Lord HOTHAM said he was not previously aware
that the question was to be brought forward to-day, but
being present in anticipation of other business, he felt
he bad no alternative but to vote against the resolution.
Mr. Pi7ALPOLE said he considered this to be a
religious rather than a political question, and with the
opinions he hell he could not be an assenting party to
the resolution, At the same time he gave Baron
Rothschild the highest ere lit, inasmuch as he had
never made any attempt to violate the law.

After some further discussion the house divided,
For the re3olution
Against
Majority ... —32

The announeetLent was received with loud cheers.
Lerd John Russell and Mr. J. Smith then left the
house, and the inner doors being thrown open, escorted
Baron Rothschild to the bar of the house amidst loul
cheers. The hon. member was then conducted by them
to the table of the house, and on the Clerk proceeding
to swear him, he interrupted him, when the Clerk ad
vanced to the chair and said,—" The hon. member
wishes to be sworn on the 01,1 Te4ament, as moat
binding on his conscience.".
The SPEAKER—Let the hon. member be so sworn.
The Clerk then banded to the hOn, member the Old
Testament, and administered the oath to him, Baron
Rothschild repeating the words in an audible voice, and
with his hat off, till he came to the words "so help my
Jehovah," when he put his hat on.
The bon. member then signed the parliamentary roll,
-and was introduced by the Clerk to the Speaker, who
shook hands very cordially with him amidst laud cheers.
Mr. Disraeli also shook hands with the hon, member
as he pa-sed the right hon. gentleman on his way to his
seat on the front Opposition bench below the gangway,
and a faqir seats from Lord John Russell. Sr %V.
Hayter, and other hon. members, immediately went to
the bon. member and congratulated him oa his having
taken his seat.

CORRUPT PRACTICES' PREVENTION ACT
CONTINUANCE BILL.

On the motion for the third reading of this bill,
Mr. H. BERKELEY mo,.ed the third rewiing of
this bill this day s x weeks. (Hear, bear) He ridi-
culed the provisions of the bill, and ,:aid that instead of
putting down corruption it would pre•erve it. The
bill had been introduced without due consideration, and
was n ) other tan waste paper. Tile itonourabla
member qu•lt.ed from authorities, e-pccially that
of Mr. Glibert, Parliamentary agent, to show
tbat the Corrupt Practices Act had failed
in pi=tting down bribery an I corrupt practices. (Hear.
bear.) He bdieved that under this bid, when a general
election came, the real contest between Lord Doodle
and Sir Thomas Noodle would be sovereigns and beer.
Mr. A. SMITH opposed the bill.
Mr. WHITESIDE supported the bill. _

Lord A. CECIL considered the provisions of the bill
would unneces-arily increase to a great extent the ex-
penses of elections.
Mr. T. BUNCOMBE regretted the Lords had not
rejected this bill. Had they done so they would have
greatly promoted purity of election. He considered the
effect of the bill would be to retard the ballot for many
years to come.
After some further discussion,
Lord J. RUSSELL regretted the course that bad
been taken with reference to this measure. If the bill
had been referred to a select committee, some means
might have been doVised by which the question as to the
cost of conveyance might have been satisfactorily settled.
Mr. ROEBUCK and Mr. REID opposed the bill on the
grcund that it legalised corruption.
Mr. WALPOLE said he had omitted clause 4 of the
bill that the measure might be simply a continuance one.
The object of this hill was to settle the disputed points
—especially that in the case of C,oper v. Slade—relative
to the conveyance of voters to and from the poll. The
Government wished to eettlsthat point, and they would
early next session prepare a measure of a permanent
character. (Hear, bear.)
Mr. STAPLETON opposed the bill.
The house divided,
For the third reading
For.the amendment 6O
Majority
The hill was then read a third time.
Mr. B. OSBORNE explained that the reacon why the
opposition threw out the clause from Lord J. Russell's
bill of 1854 for legalising travelling expenses was that it
was opposed to the opinion of all the great legal autho-
rities of the Lords. Lord Mansfield had ruled that the
payment of travelling expenses was bribery, and that
ruling had never been contravened. He could not
understatd why the bill had been brought forward in
its present shape. He began by opposing the present
Government, and he ended by giving them a cordial
support. He gave great credit to the right hon. gentle-
man the leader of the house for the ab'i and judicious
manner in which he had condoc ed the heriieeFs, and
the very important reform' he had ori‘ niited, and he
believed it was only that his time had been too much
occupied that be had allowed this bill to be brought for-
ward with this first clause in it. He hoped the Govern..
ment would pause before they consented to it even now,
at this last stage. The result would be that every
voter would demand to be conveyed to the poll, ex-
penses would be enormously increased, and they would
soon come back to the old system c f bribery and cor-
ruption which they had laboured so hard and eo long to
put an end to. He should take a division against the
passing of the bill.
Lord H. VANE supported the bill, and urged that
uole,s travelling expenses were allowed they would, in
effect, disfranchise the poor voters. He bad voted, by
mistake, in the last division with his bon. friends near
biro—(a laugh) —he should now have the opportunity of
repairing his error by voting against them.
Sir J. TRELA.WNY remarked that thsy could not
have a better test of the qualifications of the voter than
his going up to the poll without assistance. He room-

mended the consideration of this point to the Govern-
ment in their promised Reform Bill.
Mr. BASS thought that if the bill La I not been
brought in at so late a period i.f the kks ion it would not
have passed so readily. The Secretary of Suite had given
an incontestible argument agains- the bill when he ad-
mitted that the measure was incompl-te, and that he
intended next session to deal with the whole question.
On the question that the bill do pass, the house di-
vided—the numbers were—

92
▪ 59
▪ -33

For the motion..
Against it
Majority
The bill was then passed.
INDIA BILL.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
was his intention to proceed this evenirg with
this bill, and he understood that the bill world
be reprinted and in the hands of members by 9 o'clock
this evening. If, however, it was the wish of the house
he would not proceed with the amendments to-night.
After some remarks from L:rrd J. Russell, Mr. V.
Smith, and Lord Palmerston,

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER post-
p 'fled the c)nsideration of the Lords' amendments till
to-morrow morning.

PROBATES AND LETTERS OF ADMINISTRA-
TION ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
The amendments to this bill were considered and
agreed to.

DIVORCE AND MATRIMONIAL CAUSES ACT
AMENDMENT BILL.
The amendments to this bill were considered and
agreed to.
The bcuse suspended its sittings at 3 o'cloc'c.
The house resumed at 6 o'clock.
CORRUPT PRACTICES BILL.
In reply to a question from Mr. CROSS,
Mr. WALPOLE said he had already expressed his
intention to propose early next session a general measure
on this subject, the details of which might be referred to
a select committee, but he thought it was desirable that
a distinction should be maintained between the law appli-
cable to Parliamentary and municipal elections.
THE WAR DEPARTMENT.
Colonel FRENCH asked whether Mr. Ramsay was
still superintendent of clothing and stores in the War
Department, and retained his full salary and title. Also,
whether Mr. Webster, who was sent to Rencoi as ac-
countant to the hospital there, but who was rent back by
the doctor, there not being anything for him to do, was
still retained at a salary of 3001 a year?
General PEEL said that Mr. Ramsay never held the
office of superintendent of clothing and stores, but he had
been assistaritedirector cf storks and clothing. In con-
sequence of some changes which had recently taken
place, Mr. Ramsay bad for a time been removed from the
department, but he still maintained the office of assistant-
director, at the same salary. With regard to Mr. Web-
Btu-, be understood that on his return he was employed
in examining certain accounts which were in arrear ;
that he was still so employed, and that whatever he
might have had to do at It -ncoi, there .vas work enough
in the office in which he was now engaged.
MEDICAL OFFICERS IN THE ARMY.
Mr. SEYMOUR asked the Secretary of State for
War when the warrant augmenting the pay of the medi-
cal officers of the army would be promulgated.
Gen. PEEL replied that the subject was under the
consideration of the Treasury, and as soon as it received
the sanction of their lordships it would be promulgated.
SIR JOHN LAWRENCE.
Mr. KINNAIRD inquired whether it was the inten-
tion of her Majesty's Government to recommend to her
Majesty the conferring of some signal mark of favour on
Sir John Lawrence, in recognition of his long and dis-
tinguished services in India, and the more so after his
successful administration of the provinces under his
care, and the effectual aid which, by his instrumentality,
was given to the capture of Delhi.
Lord STANLEY said, the house were probably aware
that in November last the distinction of the Grand Cross
of the Bath was conferred upon Sir J. Lawrence, and
that he also received the thanks of Parliament Ira recog-
nition of his services. Since that time despatches had
been sent out to India by the Board of Directors, in
which they desired that the salary of Sir J. Lawrence,
which was at present 7,2001. a-year as Chief Commis-
sioner, should be increased to the salary of a Lieutenant-
Governor-10,0001. a-year, the increase to date from
the Ist of January last. (Hear, hear.) The distinguished
and invaluable services of Sir J. Lawrence had not been
overlooked by her Majesty's Government, who were
now considering whether any further reward should be
be-towed upon him. (Hear, bear.)
BRITISH TROOPS IN THE WEST INDIES.
Mr. HANKEY asked the Secretary of State for the
Colonies whether it were true that orders had been sent
out to the West Indies, or whether transports had been
taken up in this country, for the removal of the British
troops which were now remaining in those colonies.
The CHANCELLOR ofgthe EXCHEQUER replied
that it was not the intention of her Majesty's Govern-
ment to remove any of the British troops in the West
Indian colonies.
ST. JAMES'S PARK.
Mr. GRIFFITH asked the Secretary to the Trea-
sury whether, in any arrangement that might have been
made for the sale or lease of Berkeley-house to the Me-
tropolitan Board of Works, care had been taken that
sufficient space was reserved out of he premises to allow
of a carriage entrance being made from Cockspur-street,
into the roadway surrounding St. James's Park ?
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said that he was not aware
that there was any intention of constructing a carriage
road from Cockspur street to St. James'spark, and no
arrangement bad been made on that subject with the
Metropolitan Beard of Works. The arrangements which
bail been made would admit of the footpath being
widened to the extet.t of 22 feet, and if in future it
should be thought desirable to construct a carriage road
int ) St. James's-park, it could be effected by widening
Cock--pun-street on the east side, which was the pro-
perty of the Crown.
LAND TRANSPORT CORPS.
Lord A. V. TEMPEST asked the Secretary of State
for War, it the report of the committee on the Land
Transport Cerpa had came under the consideration of
her Majesty's Government ; and, if so, whether her
Majesty's Government were prepared to carry out the
recommendation of the committee, and to grant the offi-
cers of the Land Transport Corps the usual rate of half
pay of the ranks they hell at the period of the disband
went of the corps.
General PEEL begged to acquaint the noble lord
that the report was under the consideration of the Go-
vernment. If its recommendations were adopted, it
would involve an expenditure which had not been pro-
vided for in his estimate, and which it would theref.,re
be necessary to submit to the Treasurey for their ap•
prove!, but he might add that be was the last person to
keep any class of men out of that to which they were
entitled.
Lord A. V. TEMPEST said that if the matter were
not satisfactorily settled by next session, he should move
an address to the Crown on the eutijecn
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION BILL.
Mr. WALPOLE moved that the order of the day for
considering this Jill in committee to-morrow at the
early sitting should be discharged. (Hear, hear.) The
bill bad been so much discussed, and so many objections
had been taken to its principal clauses, that at this late
period of the session he did not think he could usefully
press its consideration on the attention of the house.
Zr.b INGRAM regretted that any aecessity existed
for withdrawing the mea-ure.
After a few words from Mr. FENITICK and Mr.
KNATOOBULL-HUGESSEN,
Lord A. V. TEMPEST expressed a hope that the
Government would next eeeeion exert themselves to
carry a similar measure to that which he now learned
with regret they were about to withdraw.
Mr. WALPOLE said that he would do the best he
could.
UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) BILL.
The order of the day for considering the Lords'
amendments having been read,
Mr. DUNLOP moved teat the house disagree with
the Lord,' amendment, which omitted the 3rd clause.
The clause had been carried against the Government in
that house by a considerable majority, and the omission
of the clause by the other House of Parliament he had
' not seen juetified by any sound or reasonable arguments.
Mr. BLACKBURN said he thought that the hon.
member for Greenock was not well a wised in raising
this question. There was not one word in the bill
which prescribed the oaths to be taken by the principals,
or the duties they would have to perform. That was
entirely left to the university commission, of which the
hon. gentleman himself was a member. 'That commis.
sion would have the matter entirely under its control,
and he was afraid that by raising this question, the hots.
gentleman ran great risk cf losing a measure which
would, in other respects, he a most valuable one. (Hear.)
Mr. EWING said he hoped the house, by its vote,
would defeat the attempt to fetter and restrict the
choice of the universities. (Hear, hear.)
Lard ELCHO said that, having taken some part in
the discussion of the act of 1853, he was bound to say
that the bill was locked upon in the light of a comprc-
miss, which was not in future to be disturbed. By that
all the professional chairs were thrown cpen with the
exceetion of the principal's chair. As far as he could
see his way at that moment, he thought it was unwise
to re-open the question, and he should therefore feel in-
clined to vote against the motion of the hon. member.
Mr. WALPOLE concurred in the view taken by the
noble lord.as to the effect of the act of 1853, by which
an alteration was made in the tests to be taken on ad-
mission to the profes.lonal chairs in Sc tland. The
change theta made was, in fact, a compromise by which
it was settled that the principal should continue to be a
member of the Church of Scotland while the other chairs
were thrown open. Upon one p tint referred to by the
hon. member for Greenock, he did not like to place his
opinion again that cf. the Lon. membor, tot if he was
rightly informed, the principals of two of the universities
at this moment were the theological teacher?. For hit
own part, be frankly coefissed that he saw no great
harm or difficulty that could arise from having a layman
in the office of principal—(hear) —but on the other hand,
when a settlement of the question bad been effected in
1853, he thought it- was undesirable to disturb that
eettlemeht, and he should therefore vote against the
motion.
Sir J. GRAHAM said ;hat, as Secretary of State for
the Home Department of the Government of Sir It.
Peel in 1846, it became his duty to resist the repeal of
these tests altogether. He did his duty to the best of
his ability, and had such teen as Lord Macaulay and Mr.
Rutherford to contend against. He was bound to add,
that his arguments did not prevail—(a lsugb)—and the
consequence was the compromise of 1853, which was
carried when be was in the Government of Lord Aber-
deen. Looking at the whole question he did not see
upon what grounds they could any longer maintain that
these tests should be applied to principals alone. He
thought the bill as sent up to the Lode was a right and

JULY 27, 1858.