The Sun.
London, England, 1867-05-31 00:00:00

THE CATTLE PLAGUE.

• In answer to a question from a noble lord,
The Duke of BUCKINGHAM said there had been some
reapp saranco of the cattle plague, and in the mouth of
March there had been 82 cases in the dairies of the
metropolis, particularly in the neighbourhood of Islington.
But he (the noble duke) had had a long and interesting
conversation with Sir J. Thwaitos, the chairman of the
Metropolitan Board, and the result had been that most
stringent stops had boon taken to check the evil, and suc-
cessfully so ; and ho was able now to report that there had
only been two cases during the week. Reports with re-
gard to the matter were in progress, and would shortly be
published.
The subject then dropped
OFFICES AND OATHS BILL.
Lord KIMBERLEY said that in moving the second
readily, of this bill he did not expect auy opposition, but
he had received that morning notice. from a noble lord
that he intended to oppose the bill. It would have been
better if the noble lord had given notice of his motion, and
on this ground he should wish that it should be post-
poned. But in tho event of this not being aecoded to, he
should review the various reasons which had induced him
to bring in the bill. In Ireland, at the present moment,
two out of three chief judges were Roman Catholics, and
seven out of the nine puisne judges were so likewise. The
Magistrates and most eminent persons in Ireland were
Ca.holics. Therefore he contended that,
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tr,astf respect,heywero
thought of with the highest _
and were most efficacious in the discharge of
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Chancellor should duties,lisameon prii,lyriilgebgte,
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that the
bill ho was now advocating he would do so. There was
s6ld thought
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hardly any Church property attached to the Chancellor-
ship to what there was ho held only conjointly with the
Archbishop. He could see nothing in the office of Lord
Lieutenant which would not induce them to open
the office to Roman CatholicS. High and important
functions could be as well performed by a Roman Catholic
as by a Protestant. By these concessions they wore not
diminishing the supremacy of the Protestant church, nor
its security, and therefore he asked their lordships to do
away with these remnants of superstition, which wore a
Cisgrace to the country.
(LETT SITTING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS—THIS EVENING.
The SPEAKER took the chair at 2 o'clock.
ROYAL COMMISSION.
The SPEAKER attended at the bar of the House of Peers
to hear the royal assent given to several public and private
bills.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were read a third time and passed:—
Ford and Lowick Roads, Gateshead Improvements, and
North Wcstern and Charing-cross Railways.
REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE BILL.

On clause 9 being proposed,
Mr. LAING said the portion of the bill with which they
were now about to proceed, viz., the distribution of seats,
was as important as that which related to the settlement of
the franchise. The bill of the Government proposed to take
one member away from any borough with a population under
7,000, but he did not think that that provision was sufficient,
and therefore he moved as an amendment to the clause
that nu borough with a less population than 10,000 at the
census of 1861 should return more than ono member to
serve in Parliament. As 7. specimen that the bill of the
Government did not go far enough, he would point out that
Ceckermouth, where iu the year 1866 the population had
fallen to 7,000, was left untouched by the measure, and it
would continue under the bill to return two members,
giving that place as great a return as Liverpool, where
the population amounted to 443,000. That was merely a
specimen of the provisions of the bill, and it was to remedy
that which he took the liberty of , thinking an anomaly
that he proposed the amendment now before the
house. If his proposal was adopted it would give
52 seats for distribution, and they could be dealt
with as follows : —ln all large boroughs where the
population exceeded 150,000, he proposed for the future
they should send three instead of two members to Parlia-
ment. Thi; arrangement would take six out of the seats
obtained. Nxt, in all 1 irge towns with a population of
over 511,0 )(I, two member:; should be sent instead of oee ;
this would take another four. He adopted the 12 now
boroughs proposed by the Government, and those with
14,3 two ad-Lao:lel nicailiers to the Tooter Hamlets, and
the member to the London University: would amount to
25 seats. With respect to the counties, he proposed that
in ill, whore the population exceeded 150,000, three meet-,
burs should be elected instead Of This arrangement
would take 26 of the additional seat" making, with those
enumemated, above 51, leaving a small margin of ono seat
to be disposed of as might be thought best. The hon.
gentleman then proceeded to compere his proposal with
that of the bill of the Government, and contended that his
was by far the better arrangement of the two. tWith re-
spect to grouping, he believed the feeling of the house
was against it, generally speaking, and therefore he bad
not adopted it to any very large extent. lie had only
made seven groups, viz., the Bodmin boroughs, consisting
of Bodmin and Launceston, returning one ; the Torquay
boroughs, consisting of Torquay, Dartmouth, and Ash-
burton, returning one ; the Honiton boroughs, consisting
of Houiton and Lyme Regis, returning 1; the Eyo
boroughs, consisting of Eye and Thetford, returning 0110 j
Chichester boroughs, consisting of Chichester and Arun-
del, returning one ; the ;Chippenham boroughs, consisting
of Ohippenham and Caine, returning one ; and the Rich-
mond boroughs, consisting of Richmond and Northaller-
ton, returning one. He thought the plan ho had laid be-
fore the house would, on examination, be found the best
that could be adopted, and therefore he confidently re-
commended it for the adoption of the House.
Mr. B. COCHRANE said unfortunately Honiton always
stood No. 1 in schedule A. when disfranchisement was talked
about. (Laughter.) He had had to stand up for what he
called the forlorn hope ; but ho was very much afraid that
their fate was now doomed. (A laugh.) However.
there was one circumstance which had not been pressed
upon the right hon. gentleman, and he hoped he would
consider the matter. In most of boroughs from which it
was proposed to take away one member territorial influ-
ence prevailed to a very large extent. The effect of the Go-
vernment proposal would be to leave the remaining repre-
sentation entirely in the hands of those possessing that
influence. The plan would leave 70,000
.persons without
a vote, because they would not be able to exercise the
franchise for the counties.
Sergeant GASELEE said the hon. member for
Wick (Mr. Laing) had appropriated to himself the idea
he (Sergeant Gazelee) had put forth. He had jockyed him
out of his proposal solely by being better acquainted with
the technicalities of the house than ho was. (Laughter.)
When the Reform Bill was first introduced he (Sergeant
Gazolee) gave notice of his intention to move precisely
that which the hon. gentleman had just detailed
to the house. lie denied that the plan brought
forward by the honourable gentleman (Mr. Laing)
as his own part of the scheme which he bad put forth
with such a flourish of trumpost belonged to him (Ser-
geant Gazolee), part of it belonged to the Government,
and the other part belonged, no doubt, to some-
body who would yet be found out. (Loud laughter.) .:ie
had a plan for a distribution of seats, but he had purposely
kept that a secret in order that the hon. member for Wick
might not filch that from him. (Laughter.) He could not
but feel indignant when he heard the member for Wick
talk about " his" plan, when, in fact, he had no
claim whatever to the originality of the proposition. lie
could not but admire tho coolness with which the hon.
member for Wick gave advice to the Chancellor of the
Exchequer—(laughter)----but he felt the right hon. gentle-
men would estimate the advice at its proper value.
Mr. GOLDNEY thought the bill of the Government
auosno.
bwofnortefairtengoauvg,,h,itasndashseenht
"toed:lbw ° epormoin)Olistatleeowfouthhe Iph
member for Wick.
Mr. SAMUDA thought the Ministerial proposal much
the best and safest one for the adoption of the house.
Mr. NEWDEGATE supported the amendment. of Mr.
Laing, and expressed a hope that it would be adopted by
the house, as it was only a measure of justice to a great
increasing mass of the community. lie denied that the House
of Peers represented the agricultural interest because its most
wealthy landed• proprietors, such as the Marquis of West-
minster, the Marquis of Salisbury, and the Earl of Derby,
had most of the property situate in towns, and not in the
counties. _ _ .

G. GREY said it was to be hoped that the matter
of distribution of seats would have been dealt with
in such a manner by the Government as would
put a stop to future agitation on the subject, but ho thought
that such an object had not been attained by the Govern-
ment., but that in the new Parliament to be elected under
the bill amongst one of its first duties would be called upon
to make a very great addition to the proposal at present
under discussion. Ito thought the propoSal of the hon.
member for Wick would make the bill more valuable, and
therefore he should give it his earnest and 'warty support,
at the same time he reserved to himself the privilege of
reservation with respect to the details.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
deny that there were anomalies in the present arrange-
ment; but in the representative system there always
must be. The principle the Groverument have pile on
in framing the bill has been to give represe.ntation
oto
those communities that have sprung up since 1802,
and which Are not now represented in Parliament,
and with the exception of giving one represen-
tation to a seat of learning, the Government have
in the present instance entirely acted in that spirit. (llear,
hear.) The matter was one of the greatest difficulty, be-
cause you can easily draw up a scheme in the morning
which looked everythingything
at could .be i
fairness, but when you come to examine into the detaik
the subject became ono of the greatest difficulty, and
one that it would be both wisps() and unsafe
to adopt. The Government had givenwith •.the
respectgre greatest
attention to the proposals in the bill ; bto
the amendment of the lion. gentleman, the
.member for
Wick, he hoped the house would hesitate before
it adopted it.
(Hear, hear.) With respect to theysrtroipoefeedvnto agdivoeubtloe
representative, and as was now
some places three representatives; personally, he was
of opinion that ono member alone was quite suffi-
cient to represent ono community. (Hear, hear.) That
was his individual opinion. The attempt to represent
minorities could only, in his opicion, resuerlus;rstieiht,
le
executive ; and, therefore, it was not for the advantage
of the country that it should conic into practice.
lies Majesty's Government had acted on practical
roeyeg principles,t.l7,;ewanted;
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oustuodinuegvrhottihyteeosgeitisvceiniri. staaiaonctneaft
abele
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SPORTING INTEL LIGENCE—This Day

CROYDON RACES—This DAY.
NORWOOD STAKES.
The Norwood Stakes (Handicap) of 3 sovs each, with 30
added ; tho winner to be sold fur 40 sovs ; 5 furlongs.
Quirina

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Eight ran.
SCURRY SELLING, STAKES.
The Scurry Selling Stakes of 5 sous each, with 30 added,
for all ; two year olds Est, three ist 1:11b, fcur and
upwards Bst 101 n; Um winner to be sold for 50 sovs ;
half a mile. 1
ller Ladyship
Lute
Miss Fanny
Eleven ran.

SELLING II URD LE.
A Soiling hurdle Stakes of 3 soya each, with 25 added ;
four year olds 9st 71b, five lOst 41b, six and aged 10it
71b; the winner to bo sold for 50 Boys; about one mile
and a half, over six hurdles.
Liston
Comet
Rupar t .•..
Six ran.

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patronage ho has received during the past year, and
,bogs
to inform his friends that ho has removed to 25, el-
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executed to any amount. Price Lists as usual.

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HOUSE OF COMMONS—Tins EVENING.

'THE REPRESENTATION BILL.
• MR. LAING'S AMENDMENT.
The house divided, when there appared—
For the amendment
...
Against it
Majority —l27
The house shortly afterwards aljourned till 9 o'clock.