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London, England, 1803-03-22 00:00:00

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Cotawszt were fOrther heard relative .to the
Scotch Appeal, Crawford ae. po!itts, Piz. the Lotto
,ADVOCAyeB, in continuation,
.on the part of the
Appallant.—After which the .furtletr hearing was
deferred tilLtortnoreow.
The fOrther consideration of the case of Lloyd
Grady was pciatponed till tomorrow. •
The various Bills before the House were fora
warded in their respective; stages.
The' Committee on the' Irish Chalking Bill was,
We under Stand, Postponed t.:4;1 Friday.
'lt Earl of CARLISLE rose to bring forward
Lis prOmised' Motion relative to the Artificers in
His Majesty's, Dock Yards : His Lordship prefaced
it with st few general observations, referring to the
teeeesaity which existed in the present situation of
the Countey, for Parliament to be informed upon
certain points respelling the contlet of that most
important branch of the Governrnent, to which the
aubjea of the Motion related, On a due admi.
oistration of the affairs of that -Department, the
,security
„of the Country, in the present state of
:ffhits, in
.0. 'great degree depended. • The infor-
-motion called far by the Motion, was important,
the Noble 'Earl .observed, as forming the ground.
01 other. propositions, 'which, perhaps, he
should find it necessary to bring forward. He then
repeated :ionic of his for:Tier observatiens respelling
the generaleonduca of Ministers; who, he seemed
to say, were, not yet .fairly tried.; when they were, it
would then appear how far they:enjoyed that.con-
fdenee of which they boasted. After some further
eotneuent on these topics, the Noble Earlonoved to
the following effed That the proper Officers
Ao lay before this :House, a Monthly Return Of all
the Artificers employed in His IVJajesty's Dock-
yards, from he Month of May, t§oz, to the pre_
period."
Lord 11013 roseond expressed hit opinion, that
the House ought not to agreeto a Motion of such a pe_
ealiar trata rennd importance,w ithout hearing adequate
. grounds and reasons assi;;n4i for its adoption, Not
ooe, he contended, had been advanced by the Noble
Earl. His Lordship seemed to regret the absence of
.the..Vohle arl at the bead of the Marine Depart-
- naeht, who of course possessed a more detailed know_
ledge of:he subje to which the Mntion referred,than
'he could be supposed to possess. With respell to what
the Nnhie 'Earl had been ph' tied to advance 'relative
to the geeeral condtotl of Ministers, he could only
then asooe him generally, that these Ministers
always held it their duty, and had so aaed, to du
that vhich they 'firmly'believed yeould most con..
epee to the real:interests of their country, and so
;piing, they were secure of its confidence. The
Noble Earl
.!hid spoken'of the trial of Ministers,
but let Ilea trial come on when it may; he, for one,
not apprdlCllslY6 of its result, He was sure
that Parliarnent Aid sufficient grounds for 'judging
of ;Ministers, by their condult, and the candull of
'Paha:tient had as clearly manifested its sense of
their merits. He then vindicated, in general terms,
the eharaaet and conduft of the Noble Earl at the
head of the' Admiralty, against every imputation ;
I:id he must believe tbsit that character stood as
J in rite opinion as.ever, -until he heard
that stnuethinz like a specific charge seas urged
eaainst insinuathies were of no
weight with 'him?, until specific darges were made..
isle hid every right to ptesurne: that there was
pOthing in the administration of the important De.
pi:tumor in question, that called for an inquiry to
be set on foor ; end with !weft to the 'particular
Motion then hefore the Hotise, he hell it his duty
1.6 resists it, uniik he should hear adequate reasons
assigned for its adoption. : .
40t1 of CAW ISLE in reply, observed, that
the thioft was so sirople in itselfi 'and he ;had so
lainly..stated the objell of the Motion, that lie
did not think it necessary. in thelirst instance to
take up their Lordshipa' time. He contended, that
rarlisrpent Should have every 4c4ree ef information
which could be'attained without dangerous come.
quencesto the real interests of the Country. No.
thing could tie further from his Intention-than to
offer :any personal imputatiort.aglin'st the Noble
Earl, or disteslielt towards him,' On the contrary,
no mat 'in that House could more highly value that
'Noble Lord's services than he did; He felt the
obligations which the Country owed to Earl Sr.
VINCENT; Rod no man tould mote duly appreciate
Ilia great and eminent services. Bur,, on the other
hand, the . more -especially on such, a 'crisis as the
present, he had tri consider his own duty as a Mem-
ber of Piirliament. The Noble Lord in -goes.
tion -was to be
,regarded as a pplAie character,
and it, was essential that the management 'of the Af-
'cairn of the Department river Which that Noble Lord
presider?{ should be such as to meet the present ex-
igency. -of' affairs. . Its' vigour and alertness, his
Lordship seemed sal say, should be such 33 to enable
us•to meet the French off Brest. He must be al-
lowtti to entertain his own tiOubtsi ?tnd to observe,
~that even •genetaily, in the public mind, some
.existed with texatd to the management of the affairs
of the Adusiralty, at Vas important it should he JI
known hoW Ministers had aded in these- respells
during the sununer, and -at a time when they Were
alteruately arming arid disarMing,- and Whether the
other measto us of Ministers at home were commen.
our:,te to their conduet abioad. In this view, he
thought it was iacuMbent on MinisterS to afford
informaiion. He had, at-first,eno wish to urge the
Motion, but entereaked an idea of NVithdrilWill; it;
hat Wh4..i'lla'riased, he had his doubts with
reseeet to the f):96Oriety of such 3 prt)CCedillg.
I'IPC Lotto CHeareveooli then put, the ques. '
tioo•

, LQrd GRENVILLI .I?o,llei.lileav4 to" ()fret his
advice to his Noble Frief,d, 'namely that.on the
resent occasion, he' would vithdrew th'e Motion,
lowevq, should lie be compriled. to give a vote,
he would dolt •on the ground pf his having beard no
argument whatever i'or its 'reieeliona In a moment
like the present, he should be Eprry that' any thing
4110Uld Coale from those with whom- he agreed
opiili(.4.l—even • a • motion •in that House,
throw any thing like embar-
wsment,• on the contlud of the !:".irg's servants.