The Sun.
London, England, 1867-04-08 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF LORDS-THIS EVENING.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at
live o'clock. _ _

THE TORNADO.
The Earl of MALMESBURY said he would ask the
noble marquis (Lord Clanricarde) to postpoue his motion
relative to the Tornado until after the Easter recess. There
was a much more important subject which should come
before their lordships, that was the capture of tho ship Vie-
totia, which was a violation of international law, much
more serious than that of the Tornado. This ship
was taken fifteen miles from land, and although a de-
mand for compensation bad been made by Lord Stanley
to the Spanish Government, no answer had yet been re-
ceived. Ho (the noble earl) therefore trusted that the
Spanish Government would see what was the wiser course
and accede to the request of her Majesty's Government.
Lord CLANBICAIIDE said that although he Wishe'd
Jim% oyery Neuman Yfiu? NerYen in it, Tcludo

should receive his full wages and compensation, however
he would agree to the proposition of the noble earl.
The Earl of CLARENDON was glad that the noble
marquis agreed to postpone his motion. Great suspicion,
must attach to the proceedings of the ships in question.
Lord CLANRICARDE denied that any such suspici.on
did attach, and handed in a paper relative to the proceed_
jugs of the Spanish Government.
Earl RUSSELL said that he agreed with the opinions
that had been expressed.
Lord CLARENDON said that his noble friend (Lord
Clauricardo) had misunderstood him. Ho sympathised
with the sailoreof the Tornado.
The subject then dropped.
RETURNS OF THE POPULATION.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY m'wed for a return of
the estimated adult male population, the number of adult
male householders, and we adult males who are no
householders.

After a four remarks from the Duke of Buctunallat this
was agreed to.
The House- then adjourned.

lIOUSE OF COMMONS—Tins EVENING.
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The following bills were read a third time and passed:,
°Ambridge Gas, Cardiff and Penarth Road, Edinburgh
Improvement, Lancashire and Yorkshire R►ilway, Wells
(Somerset) Gas, and West Ham Local Board of Health.

THE CIVIL SERVICE.
Mr. 11. LEWIS asked the Secretary of State for India,
whether he would lay upon the table of the house the sys-
tem of marking proposed to be adopted by tho Civil Ser-
vice Commissioners at the examination of candidates for the
Civil Service of India at the examination commencing on
the 9th iust.; and whether it had boon proposed by the
Commissioners to deduct a certain nunater of marks; and,
if so, what number of marks on each subject before a can..
didate could be allowed to count any marks to his
credit ?

Sir S. NORTHOOTE said that the plan adopted 'will
be the same as on the last occasion. 12( marks, however,
will be deducted on every subject except mathematics.
THE DUKE OF WELLINGTON.

Mr. GOLDSMID asked the First Commissioner of
Works when the statue of the late Duke of Wellington,
for the erection of which in St. Paul's Cathedral the aura
of £20,000 was voted in 1858, was likely to be finished and
put in its place ?
Lord J. MANNERS said the monument was not merely
a statue. It was progressing satisfactorily, and would be
completed in about two years.
ENGLAND AND SPAIN.

Mr. OSBORNE asked the Secietary of State for• Foreign,
Affairs if any official communication had been received by
telegram or despatch from her Majesty's Minister at
Madrid, relative to the seizure of the vessel Queen Vic-
toria by the Spanish authorities; and, if the Spanish Go-
vernment had complied with the terms demanded by the
Foreign Secretary in his letter to Sir J. Crampton of 30th,
March, 1867.

Lord STANLEY said no answer had yet been received
from the Spanish Government.
THE FLEET IN THE MEDITERRANEAN.

Mr. D. GRIFFITH asked if there was any truth in the
report that a portion of the fleet had left the Mediterranean
with sealed orders, the presumed destination of the vessels
being Spain ?
Lord STANLEY said he did not know what orders had
been given to the fleet in the Mediterranean, but there was
nothing unusual in one or two vessels leaving the usual
cruising ground in the Mediterranean.
THE REFORM BILL.--MR. COLERIDGE'S
INSTRUCTIONS.

Mr. LOCKE asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
whether, supposing all the words after the word "rating"
in the third line were omitted, the Government would be
inclined to accept the first part of the instruction.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was
very inconvenient to answer hypothetical questions. Per-
haps the hon. and learned gentleman would state whether
he had authority to state that the latter part of the in-
struction would be withdrawn. (Hear, hear, and cheers
from the Government side of the house.)
Mr. LOCKE said he believed it was the intention to
withdraw it, providing the Government accepted the first
part of it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
latter part of the instruction then having been withdrawn,
said he believed the hon. and learned gentleman would
never have made the inquiry without authority—(hear,
hear, from the Government side of the house)—yet it
would have been much more satisfactory if the author of
the instruction had told them what were his intentions.
(Hear, hear.) As it was right to be precise, he would read
the terms of the instruction as it appeared on the paper.
The right hon. gentleman here read the notice from the
paper, and said—With regard to the second part of the in-
struction after the word "rating," he could only person-
ally regret that the house was to be deprived of the plea-
sure of hearing the speech of the hon. and learned member
for Exeter, because he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
had carefully read the instruction over, and he could not
fix any definite meaning to it. (hear, hear, and cheers.)
However, as it had ceased, to exist he would not
further pursue the subject. Her Majesty's Government
had always been of opinion that the committee had power
to deal with the question of rating, and the noble lord the
n.e.uber for Chester must have been of the same opinion,
or he would not have given notice of the amendment
which now stood in his name; so it required no pressure,
however gentle—(hear, hear, and cheers)—for me to say it
could. The first part of the instruction having been
adopted, it would be for the convenience of the house if he
stated that it was his intention on Friday next to move
that the house at its rising adjourn until the 29th for the

Easter recess.
On the reading of the first part of the " Instruction" from

the chair,
Mr. COLERIDGE said the right hon. gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had said that he had
failed to discover the precise meaning of the latter part of
his motion. He thought had he been called upon he should
in a very words have been able to have made the meaning
of his motion clearly apparent to the right hon. gentleman.
With regard to the inquiry whether the Government were
willing to accept the first part of his motion, the reason he
had not made the inquiry was that he was not aware tha
he could, in accordance with the forms of the
house, ask the question until the time arrived
when he should have risen to make the motion. The
question had been asked whether any communication
had been made with him (Mr. Coleridge), but, of course,
there would be no difficulty to the latter part, as he should
look upon it as a great calamity if the Reform Bill was
not passed this session. He, however, had to inform the
right hon. gentleman that that or something like it would
be moved in committee. (Loud cheers from the Opposi-
tion.) He therefore moved that the latter part of the mo-
tion be omitted.
Mr. LOCKE seconded the motion. With respect to
the observations of his hon. and learned friend (Mr. Cole-
ridge) that the question had been put to the Chancellor of
the Exchequer without any communication from him, all
he had to say was that ho (Mr. Locke) asked him (Mr.
Coleridge) whether ho would like to ask the question, or
whether he should do so. The honourable and learned
gentleman after that quitted the house for a short
time, and he re-entered it just as he (Mr. Locke) was
putting the question. He hoped he would acquit him of
doing anything that was unfair and not in accordance
with the rules of the house.
Mr. COLERIDGE said he was quite ready to do that.
The motion of Mr. COLERIDGE was then put • and
agreed to.
Sir R. KNIGHTLEY said he had an instruction to
move—viz, that it be an instruction to the committee to
make better provision than existed for the prevention of
bribery and corruption at elections.
A brief discussion ensued, when
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
bill of the Government on the subject of bribery was pre-
pared, and he was desirous of bringing it forward as
speedily as possible. Ho thought it would have been for
the convenience of the house not to have
the discussion on the reform bill interfered with, and
that had prevented him introducing it. However,
after what had transpired ho would introduce the bill next
Thursday without fail. In separating bribery from the
Reform Bill, he thought he was following out the general
wish of the house.
Sir R. KNIGHTLEY then withdrew his proposed in-
structions with respect to bribery.
On the motion that the house go into committee on the
the Representation of the People Bill,
Capt. HAYTER moved as an amendment the following
resolution :—" That all Parliamentary boroughs having a
less population than 10,000 persons, according to the
census of 1861, and from which the second seat be taken,
should be increased by adding either from the immediately
surrounding district, or from one or more neighbouring
boroughs or towns, a sufficient number of inhabitants to
give to every such parliamentary borough a population of
not less than 10,000 persons."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER objected to
the amendment on the ground that the matter was one
that could be dealt with in committee.
After a short discussion the amendment was withdrawn.
I LEFT SITTING.

Mr. Eyk-yn voted by mistake with the minority instead
of the majority on Mr. Lowe's 'notion respecting the edu-
cational grant.

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the Licensing System was held on Saturday
afternoon at the Earl of Shaftesbury's residence, in Gros-
venor-square. It was attended by the Earl of Shaftes-
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bury, the Earl of Harrowby, Mr. W. E. Forster, M.P., Mr.
Ayrton, 11. P., Colonel Sykes, M.P., Mr. Akroyd, M.P.,
Archbishop Manning, Sir John Bowring, Mr. Robert
Rawlinson, C. 8., Mr. Henry Pownall, Rev. Henry Golly,
Mr. Hugh Owen, and the Secretary, Mr. C. Ribton-
Turner. The principles of the Liverpool Licensing Bill
were discussed, and it was resolved that the Earl of Shaftes-
bury, the Earl of Harrowby, the Earl of Lichfield, and
Lord Lyttelton should be requested to consider the expe-
diency of introducing a bill into the House of Loris, with
I reference to the ()plains expressed i)3, the vice-president.