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of the Government. It was stated in the accounts from
India that many of our regiments were proceeding up
country without any European medical practitioners
with them. He understood there was the greatest diffi-
culty in g►etting medical students to offer for the army
employment ; and this no doubt arose from no improve-
ment having been made in respect of pay and other
things. If their position were improved, and they got a
better status, the employment would attract a better
class of students. He wished to ask whet'zer it was likely
that before long any plan for accomplishing this object
would receive the sanction cf the Government, and be
promulgated
Gen. PEEL said there certainly had been difficulty in
procuring the number of surgeons required. A plan such
as had been alluded to had bees considered, and for-
warded to the Treasury for approbation.
SITTING OF PARLIAMENT DURING THE

SUMMER MONTHS.
lUr. FORSTER gave notice that he would on Friday
call ;.be attention of the house to the inconvenience of
protracting the session during the summer months.
SERVICES OF THE TROOPS AT ALUMBAGH.
Col. ,SYKES moved for a copy of a letter from Lord
Canning', dated the 30th April, 1858, with its enclosed
copy of a report from Lieut.-Gen. Sir J. Outram,
describing the services rendered by the force under that
officer's command during the occupation of Alumbagh.
The return was ordered.
THE SLAVE TRADE.
Mr. HUTT asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
when he proposed to bring on the slave trade estimates ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
depended upon the India Bill. Assuming that the bill
was read a third time on Thursday, he should propose to
go into supply on Friday morning.
IRISH EDUCATION.

Mr. DEASY asked whether the vote as to Irish edu-
cation would be taken on Friday next
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
vote was is No. 4 paper, which the committee were now
considering, and therefore he could not doubt that it
would come on on Friday. The vote to which the hon.
member for Gateshead (Mr. Hutt) had drawn his atten-
tion was in paper No. 5.
THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA. (No. 3) BILL.
On the motion that this bill, as amended, be considered,
Mr. GREGSON moved that the consideration of the
bill be postponed until Thursday.
Lord STANLEY said he was in the hands of the house,
and he understood that the house was in favour of pro..
needing. (Hear, hear.) There was nothing before the
house but the original bill and some amendments that
had been in print for several days.
Sir H. RAWLINSON complained that, from the ar-
rangement of the bill, it was difficult to find the amend-

meets.
The motion was negatived.
Lord STANLEY moved, in the stead of clause 31, to
insert a clause repealing certain clauses of the 16 and 17
Vic., cap. 95, so far as the same apply to the admission
or appointment of persons to the civil service of the East
India Company.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he was very unwilling to ob-
struct any arrangement of the noble lord the President
of the Board of Control. He had, in his humble opinion,
with so much candour and wisdom, amended this bill,
that he was very unwilling to suggest any doubt as to
the alteration he now proposed, but still he thought that
the amenment he now proposed would not be an im-
provement. It was proposed to leave out clause 31 and
to insert other clauses to the effect that the minister, in
making appointments to the civil service, should, in-
stead of asking the advice of the Council, ask the advice
of the Civil Service Commissioners. He thought that
the advice of the Council as to the appointment of civil
servants was the best advice he could have. (Hear.) It
was, now left open to the minister to consult the commis-
sioners before bringing the matter before the Council ;
but by the proposed clause there would be an ouster of
the Council and a substitution of the Commissioner?.
The hon. member for Des onport (Sir E. Perry) had said
on a former evening that he (Sir J. Graham) was the
organ of the East India Coini..a.ay. He knew not what
he had said or done to justify that observation. Ho bad
never hesitated to express his opinion that the Court of
Directors had served the country in an eminent degree,
and that they deserved the gratitude of the British pub-
lic. He believed that they had been mainly concerned
in conquering our empire in the East. He begged to
inform the hon. member that he had not been in re-
ceipt of the wages of the East India Company, nor
had he at present any such ii.tention. (Hear, hear.)
as repeated that he thought the proposed amendment
would not be an improvement.
Sir E. PERRY sapposed it would be considered tkat
the right hoc. baronet made a very pointed and severe
attack on him when he alluded to not having receivedthe
wages of the East India Company. lie begged to observe
that the right hon. baronet was entirely wrong in his
facts. He was not in the service of the East India Cona-
po.oy. nor a pensioner of the Company.
Sir J. ATI A. I did not say iu the service of the
East Coin p soy.
Sir E. PE RRY—Theright bun. baronet said, " in re-
ceipt of the wages." The fact was, that he had received
pudic money fur public servic,s, like the right hon.
baronet, nod without, cauipat log himself to the right hon.
baronet. he would sey that he had performed his services
as faithfully as he had done. He would tell the right
hon. baronet that he had done more injury than anybody
ei,e to the inetioure before the house. He could easily
understand that the right Lc:rt. baronet having arrived
at his time of life was indisposed for any change, and
probably that fact accounted fur his suggestion. He
thought the clause proposed was entirely in unison with
I clause 16, and he hoped the noble lord would adhere to It.
Mr. V. SMITH did not wish fur delay, because the
house wished to go into committee today. The discus-
sion had hitherto been all strictly to the point, and there-
fore he thought they were entitled to have these altera-
tions inside as plain as possible. During the sitting t f the
committee the noble lord bad laid on the table as many
as forty amendments, and the noble lord proposed also
to introduce freak clauses on the report.
Lord STANLEY sail the simple of jest of the clause
was to carry out the generally exorees:d wish of the
house that the principle of competition in the civil service
should not be altered except on an appeal to Parliament.
Mr. GLADSTONE thbnked the noble lord for intro-
ducing into the bid a positive enaettnent on the subject
of competitive examinations. Furthermore, he thought
the noble lord would act wisely in providing that the
superintendence of the examinations should be placed in
the hands of the Civil Service Commissioners, because
they had the experience and staff which rendered them
the best qualified to conduct such examinations. But
the clause went somewhat beyond that, because it was a
complete ouster of the council from many matters refer-
ring to the admission of candidates to tl,e civil service
upon which they would be the most competent to give
an opinion.
Mr. MANGLES observed that there were other mat-
ters besides the examination to be taken into considera-
tion, and upon these the Minister could not do better
than consult his council.
Lord STANLEY thought the 36th clause prevented
the exclusion of the council, but in order to pace the
paint beyond doubt he would make a verbal alteration
in the clause, so as to combine the action of the council
with that of the Secretary of State.
The clause was then agreed to and added to the bill,
so was also the following :—" With ad convenient speed
after the passing of this act, regulations shall be made
by the Secretary of State in Council, with the advice and
assistance of the cominisi,ionere for the time beingacting
in execution of her Majesty's order in council of 21st
May, 1855, for to-gulating the admission of persons to
the civil service of toe crown,' for admitting all persons
being nature'-horn subjects of her Majesty (and of such
:tie and qualification as way be prescribed in this behalf)
who may be desirous of becoming candidates for appoint-
moist to the civil service of India, to be examined as can-
didates accordingly,, and for prescribing the branches of
knowledge in which such candidates shall be examined,
and generally for regulating and conducting such exa-
minations under the superintendence of the said last-
mentioned commissioners, or of the persons for the
time being entrusted with the carrying out of such
regulations as may be from time to time established
by her Majesty for examination, certificate, or other test
of fitness in relation to appointments to junior situa-
tions in the civil service of the Crown, and the candi-
dates who may be certified by the said commissioners or
other persons as of iresnii to be entitled under such re-
gulations admit be recommended for appointment accord-
ing to the order of their proficiency as shown by such
examinatiew, acd such persons only ,as shall have been
so certified as aforesaid shalt be appointed or admitted
to the civil service of India by the Secretary of State in
council ; provided always, that all regulations to be
*nal° by the said Secretary of State under this act shall
be laid before Parliament within 14 days after the
making thereof, if Parliament be sitting, and if Parlia-
be not sitting, then within 14 days after the next meet-
ing thereof."
Mr. GLADSTONE, pursuant to notice, rose to move
the insertion of a clause relative to the levying of war in
India. He quite acceded to the principle of our con-
stitution, that the right of making peace or war was a
prerogative of the Crown and an executive function ; but
the ex-reise of that prerogative was protected by a va-
riety of safeguards. For instance, it would be a viola-
tion of the constitution to maintain a standing army
withbut the authority of Parliament. Nor was that au-
thority a mere matter of form, because every year Par-
liament was called upon not only to vote the money but
the number of men, and that check insured the earliest
appeal to Parliament in all matters connected with the
levying of war by the Crown. So sacred was this prin-
ciple held that in 1825 or 1826, when Mr. Canning sent
a small force to the assistance of Portugal against Spain,
that involved no increase of the national expenditure, it
was thooght advisable to bring a message down to Par-
liament on the subject. The difficulty of extending the
principle to the Case of India was no doubt great, but by
no means wo difficult as it was 60 years ago, when Par-
liament was first called upan to legislate for our East
Indian territories, a 9.1 when the average period of com-
munication between this country and India was not less
than five or six months, whereas now it did not take so
many weeks. And yet at that time both Mr. Fox and Mr.
Pitt embodied in their Indian Bill a elauae embracing the
very principle he was now contending for. It might be said
that the provision in the latter bill proved iueirec.ual, but
he did not refer to the efficacy of the provision so much as
to the principle which it su,tained, and which asserted
the necessity of placing some limitation upon the pre-
rogative of the Crown in making peace or war even in
India. Well, then, the question no w_arose in what
manner they should deal with the subject at the present
time. If it was thought practicable in Mr. Pitt's day,
surely the restriction could not possibly be embarrassing
or inconvenient to the Executive Governnment in and
age when science was doing so much to shorten the
communication with the East. But if the restriction
was necessary years ago, how much stronger had the
case become by the lapse of time. In the Cap cf Mr.
Fix and Mr. Pitt Indian wars were mere Lica( wars.
;roes- teas not the eme now, fur coat bad bceu the