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Mr. C'REFEY rose to postpone the Motion
which he had given notice of for to-morrow, till
some day next week, but he hoped that no long time
would elapse before he had an opportunity of coning
the serious attention of the House to the subje&.
Mr. CORRY postponed his Motion for a Com-
mittee on the Ads relative to the Irish Revenue,
till Friday next.

A new 'Writ was ordered for Bramber in Sussex,
in the room of GEORGE SUTTON, Esq. deceased..
Mr. CORRY moved the Order of the Day for
the third reading,Of the Irish Bank Restriaion
Bill.

Lord A. HAMILTON said, that after the Ms:-
• ,
'cussion which' had taken place the last time this
Bill was before the House, he felt himself bound to
say a few words before its final departure to the
Other House. Nothing certainly could be greater thlrr
the importance of this measure, riot only as affeding
Ireland, but because it chewed what must be the
consequence in this Country-If the restriaion should
continue to any great' ength of time. If he had sat
silent upon this occasion, it might be supposed that
his opinion had been altered by the discussion Which
took place on the second reading ; but_ although he
paid 'every attention to the arguments which were
used on that occasion, his sentiments still remained
unchanged. It had been most clearly' proved that
there was a great depreciation in the value of Paper
in Ireland, and that Specie could only be procured
with great difficulty and at 'a large piemium : it had
been urged that the scarcity of Guineas arose rather
from faditious than from real causes ; this he was in-
clined not to believe, for it Was surely more probable
that Paper should be depreciated, from so grear.
a quantity having been issued, than that the
price of Gold should have risen so much be.
yond
.its real value, Before he sat down he wish_
vd to mention ore or two points to_which he hoped
he should receive an answer, or at least some expla-
nation from the Right Hon. Gentleman Ill'usire to
him (Mr. CORRY). The rate of Exchange bad
been for some time past increasing against Ireland,
and had risen so high as I 9 per Cent. Notwith-
standing this, it had been asserted that the Bank of Ire-
land last 'year had given a borsus cf 51per' Cent. to the

-?roprietors of Bank Stock : this was a subjea which
zertailly required some explanation. There was
Another circumstance which he had heard, tram au-
hority on which he placed great reliance, but which
i;e wished at the same time to state with the great.
?st diffidence. The circumstance to which he al-
luded was this, that although the Exchange was so
great against Ireland, yet that the Lords of the
Irish Treasury received their Salaries at par.—
He had before stated, that he did not mean to assert
this positively as a fart, but he thought it right to
mention it to give the Right Hon. Gentleman oppo-
site to him an opportunity either of contradiaing
of explaining it, because if those who might he
supposed to have the greatest means of adopting
measures for preventing the balance from being so
strongly against Ireland felt no inconvenience from
it, it might be apprehended that they would not
feel much anxiety on the subjea. That these 'evils
existed,and that they required remedy, had not been
denied, and therefore he hoped that some measures
would be resorted to ; the one that appeared to
him the most proper would be to appoint a Com-
mittee to inquire into the cause of the high state of
Exchange againstireland. Helamented that he him-
self could not move for such a Committee, because
there was another inquiry which the CHANCELLOR
of the EXCHEQUER had expressed his intention of
moving for, respelling the Duty on Malt in Scot-
land, to which he felt himself bound to devote a
great part of his attention ; but he hoped it would
be taken up by a Right Hon. Geut. (Mr. Fos_
TER wh4se abilities and experience eminently qua.
lifted him for the task.

Mr. CORRY said, he should begin by adverting
to what fell from the Noble Lord cowards the latter
end of his speech, viz. Certain Officers under the
Irish Government being paid their Salaries at par—
.On this point he would give the Noble Lord the
most full and explicit information in his power ; if
the Noble Lord had done him the honour to have
acquainted him with his intention of requiring in-
formation upon that subjea, he would have taken
care that he should have a most distina and precise
answer. At present, however, he wished to state,
that certain Officers from Ireland, who were employ.
ed in this Country in the discharge of their Public
duty, were paid their Salaries at par ; that the
Treasury of Ireland having money in this Country,
had given orders for the payment of those who
were officially employed in this Country, including
himself, the Lords of the Treasury, and the
inferior Officers,. who were obliged to attend here
during the Session of Parliament, in the manner
that had been stated. This praaicehad originated
with the Union, and had been continued since
without any observation having been made upon it.
With regard to what the Noble Lord had stated re-
speding the depreciation of Paper in Ireland, he
had given his opinion upon that subjea, not only
on the last discussion on this Bill, but in the course
of last Session. It would be remembered that he
had the honour of proposing a Bill last Session,
which met with the approbation of the House. the
objeft of which was, to restrain the circulation of
small Notes in Ireland, which Bill was to commence
its operation from the Ist day of this year. Find;
ing, however, at the commencement o the present
Session, that the Members from that part of the
United Kingdom could not; in consequence of their
military duties, attend in Parliament, he had pro-
posed a Bill to postpone the operation of that mea-
sure till July, in the hopes that before that time the
Irish Members' would be enabled to attend in their
places, and that the subje4 might be discussed in
the most ample manner. The Noble Lord and the
House would theref,re, he hoped, do him the justice
to acknowledge that upon this subjel he had always
entertained and professed the same opinion. As to
the question of the,Restriaion on the Bank of Ire-
land, he supposed the Noble Lord did not mean to
contend that the Restrklion ought to be taken off
there while it continued here.—[Lord A. HAM I L.
TON said, " certainly not."] Then the Noble Lord's
observations did not apply to the Bank of Ireland ;
they were general speculations applying to the Bank
of England, and as that subjed was not before the
House, it was not necessary for him to enter into
it. With regard to the situation of Ireland with
osped to its circulation, he should certainly he
happy to receive the assistance of the abilities of the
Noble Lord, and as the subjea must come again
under the consideration of Parliament this Session,
he hoped it would meet with the most ample dis-
cussion.

Lord A. HAMILTON, in explanation, disclaimed
any improper motives in the observations he had
thrown out.

Mr. CURWEN said, that the interference of
Parliament was certainly necessary to put an end to
this evil, which was of very great tnagnitudt.—
There appeared to him various ways in which it
might be done-: the two Countries being united, he
saw no reason why the Banks should not be united;
or a Bill might be passed to limit the circulation of
Paper in Ireland. These certainly were delicate
measures, and required much consideration ; but
with regard to the issue of private Bank Paper in
Ireand, which was very great, he saw no reason
why they should not be obliged to pay their Notes
in Bank of England Paper.

Sir 101 IN NEWPORT said, the proposition
of the 1-lon. Gentleman was the most extraordinary
he had ever heard, if his objen was to put a stop
to all the private Banks in Ireland, it would, cer-
tainly be a very efficacious way of doing it ; be-
cause it could not be supposed that an Iriah Banker,
who issued his notes at par, could pay those notes
the next day in Bank of England paper, at a loss
of 18 or 19 per cent. But he did not agree with
those Gentlemen who attributed the balance of ex-
change against Ireland entirely to the restriCtion on
.the Bank of Ireland. If they would look back to
the years 1795 and 1796, they would find that the
exchange was very high against Ireland, although
there was then no restrinion on payment in specie.
The cause of this balance would perhaps be more
readily found in the situation of the trade of Ire-
land with this Country. Gentlemen forgot when
'they spoke upon this subject, the large amolmr of
the absentee rents drawn trcin Ireland. They for-
Ir that since tlic; union several large loans for that
Count's.), had been-n.::gotiated in England, the in-
tctcst nt which,. to the.am 30nt of one tr.iiiii n and
a hair., was annuaiiy drawn from Itdand: The ab-

sentee rents he estimated at little less than three
millions, therefore the balance of trade in favour
of Ireland must be great indeed, to supply such a
c,mtinual drain. It had been said that the Bank of
England had a greater controul over the private
Bankers than the Bank of Ireland had. This was
a proposition he could not assent to, because the
Bank of England had no other controul over the
Bankers except by refusing to discount their paper,
and the Bank of Ireland had the same power. There
was, however, a material difference between the
situation of the two/ countries. In Ireland they
had not only to combat with the general disposi-
tion of mankind to hoard specie, but there were
in that Country obvious causes which made that
disposition almost universal. He did not speak of
the North of Ireland, there trade was carried on al-
most all with specie, and the people had a confi-
dence in each other which, he was sorry to say,
was not the case in the other Provinces. The Eth-
ic& of the lower classes of people in Ireland was to
get specie, and the moment it was obtained it was
buried, without the person so secreting it communi-
cating it even to his wife or children, the conse-
quence of this were, that immense quantities was
lost. This disposition had produced the most fatal
effeets in Ireland. Tenants before they would pay
their rents in specie would suffer themselves to be
distrained and their cattle sold. They had no ob-
jet-lion to pay in paper, because they thought, in
case of a successful convulsion, it would be of no
value. Bat long before the restriEtion on the Bank,
there was a great scarcity of specie arising from
its being hoarded. He hoped, therefore, when
Gentlemen were discussing these subjeCis, they'
would bear in mind the great difference between the
two Countries, and not suffer themselves to decide
too hastily upon general principles.
Mr. FOSTER said, he would not add much to
the length of the discussion : he rose in consequence
of what had fallen from the Noble Lord (to whom
he paid some high compliments). He was sorry he
could not undertake that which the Noble Lord had
recommended to him, viz. to move for a Commit-
tee to inquire into this subjea. He trusted, how-
ever, that all that had passed upon this and a former
occasion, would impress upon Ministers the neces-
sity of speedily adopting some measure for the re.
lief of that Country, and he was sore it could be
done much more effeetually by the Gentlemen on the
Bench below him (the Treasury Bench) than by
him.

The Bill was then read a third time ; and on the
Motion " that the Bill do pass,"
Mr. FOSTER said, 'he did entertain a hope that
Ministers would have expressed an intention of
taking up this subject, but as they remained silent,
he felt the call upon him so imperiously, that he
would, on a future day, bring the matter under the
consideration of Parliament, at the same time he
should be glad if Ministers would take the task cut
of his hands.

The House agreed to go into a Committee of the
whole House on the Royal Marine Mutiny Bill to-
morrow.

The Greenland Whale Fishery Bill was read a
second time, and ordered to be committed w a Com-
mittee of the whole House to-morrow.

Deferred the Committee of Supply and of Ways
and Means until Wednesday next.

IRISH MILITIA.

Mr. FOSTER called the attention of the Right
Hon. Gentleman on the Bench below him (Mr.
CORRY) to the subjea of the Militia of Ireland. He
stated circumstances to shew that the Militia now
existing in Ireland had been raised under the provi-
sion of an Aft of Parliament, which was made for
the purpose of providing for the families of Militia
in certain cases. Some of the balloted men he knew
had received the bounties. In the month of August
a Bill was passed to regulate and model the mode of
giving Bounties, and for providing for the Families
of Militiamen, by which two shillings a week were
allowed to the helpless father or helpless mother of
a Militiaman, and to the brother or sister one shii,
ling per week. The Militia was raised while this
Bill was in force. Afterwards another Bill was
brought into Parliament, and passed, •by which the
father and mother had only one shilling per week, and
the brother and sister nothing. He did not say any
thing upon the question, whether the first allowance
was too much or the second too little; hut he said
That the Militia was engaged on the faith of
the former, and all that he wished was, that
some measure should be had for keeping good
faith with these men who entered under the
old law, but who now could neither under the
old or new law receive the bounties or sub.
sistence to their families that they expeaed. 'The
money for this purpose was to have issued in a' way
that was peculiar to Ireland, by Officers who had
the superinter.dance of that business, and it was to
be replaced by deterinination of the Grand Juries,
who were to Indite proper presentments for that
purpose at the Assizes. He mentioned this matter
uow, because unless some course be followed dif.
ferent from what the law at present provides, the
Grand Juries will not have such power as they were
used to have to make the presentments, nor was
there any time to be lost upon this occasion, the
time was short between this and the Spring Assizes
in Ireland, which he believed would commence
about the 16th or the 18th of March : therefore he
hoped, that whatever measure was taken, it would
be considerably before that time. He hoped that
this, which he should call a mistake, should be
reflified.

Mr. CORRY observed, that this was a subjea
on which there was a great difference of opinion in
the Parliament of Ireland when it was discussed.
He hardly remembered a question that was more
agitated than this had been : but with regard to
any amendments in the Aft, or any thing that might
1)"' done by way of alteration in that resp:a. he
thought it was natural to postpone it until the Irish
Members were able to attend the House. Such he
had thought, and did still think, the proper course
in such a c44e as this. Whatever there was in this
matter that required consideration, he was sure that
His Majesty's 'Ministers would concur with the
Right Hon. Gentleman who had now mentioned it,
in -giving it the most effeaual attention; but in the
abstnce of 111041 of the Memorrs fur irdand., who

were attending 'their military duty, he should not
think it respeelful to them to discuss it.

Mr. FOSTER thought the _Right Hon. Gentle.
man had misconceived his meaning. He did not
desire to enter on the merits of the case, or pro-
pose a discussion of it in the House, either one way
or the other; what he wished was, only that Mini-
sters would remedy an apparent breach of flith.
The House then immediately adjourned.