The Sun.
London, England, 1867-06-06 00:00:00

COURT OF ADMIRALTY.

On the motion of Mr. GRAVES a return was ordered of
the number of warrants sent by the marshal at the High
Court of A.cbniralty to the collectors of her Majesty's cus-
toms during seven years prior to 1867, specifying the num-
ber sent to each pert ; and of the number of the warrants
executed by the marshal of said court in the port of London
during the same time.
OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITI:ES
EDUCATION BILL.

Mr. EWART moved the second reading of this bill.
Mr. B. HOPE moved that the bill be read a second time
that day six months, and characterised it as one of those
bewildering measures which, taking up a question which
has many sides, deals with it arbitrarily, incompletely,
and in a manner more theoretical than practical. The
social system of the German universities was not such es
Englishmen would wish to see introduced into our own
universities. Ostensibly, the measure was for the benefit
of the poor, but practically it would be of no advantage,
and would ouly have the effect of removing students be-
yond the discipline of the university. While legislating
for the poor they should take care that they did not en-
courage fast young men of a higher class to place them-
selves beyond the reach of discipline.
Mr. POWELL seconded the amendment, remarking
that the bill contained no security for conduct or for

age.
Mr. NEATE said there was no doubt that the univer-
sities were originally far more expansive and opened a
wider door for the middle and lower classes than now.
Recent legislation had confined them to classes for which
they wore not originally intended. Nothing, however,
could be done without a little pressure in Parliament, and
even though the bill did not go further than a second
reading much good would be done by the expression of
opinion of which it had elicited. He believed, if the bill
was allowed to go to a select committee, a contest between
members of this house and the leading members of the
universities would lead to a better understanding between
Parliament and the universities.
Sir W: HEA.THCOTE agreed in many points with the
hon. member who had just sat down, but could not arriVe
at the same conclusions. He concurred in the desirability
of giving greater facility of access to the Universities, but
seeing that the subject was at the present moment under
the consideration of many eminent men connected with the
Universities, he preferred to wait for the result of their de-
liberations.
Mr. EVANS said his own expectations was that the im-
mediate effect of the bill would not be very large, but
thought, without at all saying whether the Universities
were national institutions or not, it was desirable to make
them as national as possible.
Mr. SELWYN admitted the desirability of extending
the present advantages of the Universities, but opposed the
present measure as crude and ill-advised.
Mr. FAWCETT suggested that the bill should be read
a second time, and referred to a select committee. By this
course they could obtain very valuable evidence, which
would assist them in cheapening University education, and
making the Universities exercise a more important and
beneficial influence than they had done in past ages upon
our national life.
Mr. LOWE observed that it was time to do something
[ for " poverty" in the Universities, and to extend their ad-
vantages to those residing without their walls. There had
been deliberations upon deliberations, but nothing had been
done, and in the meanwhile the evil had every day become
more oppressing. He cordially concurred in the suggestion
of Mr. Fawcett to read the bill a second time, and to con-
, sider before a select committee the practical gtiovances
which had to be met, and the remedies which it was neces-
sary to adopt.
Mr. HENLEY asserted that the bill begged the whole
' question, and took away a reasonable and proper discipline
at the psriod of life when it was most required. If any
body moved a committee on the subject he was perfectly
prepared to give it his full consideration, and come to a
decision from what he heard, but he did not like to pre-
judge the question.
Mr. GLADSTONE cordially assented to the principle of
bill,pthoeintof time, amned, said they must rouse themselves to take a
broad view of the question. So far from its not being ripe in
he was apprehensive that unless they now took
steps for making somo progress in the universities some two
years hence measures might be taken of a more stringent
and grasping character than many of them desired. Re-
ferring to university vacations, he expressed his belief that
they were preposterously long, and trusted that when the
general question was dealt with this point would not be
left out of consideration.
Mr. HARDY remarked that in Dec., 1865, the members
of the University of Oxford met for the purpose of consi-
dering the subject. At that meeting committees were
appointed, and their reports were now under considera-
tion. The question was therefore started by the Uni-
versity itself. He quite agreed that the University should
be opened to the legal and medical professions, and to
the mercantile classes, if they could spare the time ;
but already halls wore open for the admission of such
students as might wish t enter. What he objected to
in the bill before the house was that there were no results
ty which they might be guided, and that the subject was
now being deliberated upon by the universities. As to the
vacations, in Scotland he believed they had seven months
instead of six. All he asked the house to do was to wait
until they saw whether the universities would not act for
themselves.
After a few remarks from Mr. AcLiND and Mr. Ser-
geant GASELEE, the house divided, when the numbers
were—
For the second reading 164
Against 154
Majority —lO
The bill was accordingly read a second time, and on the
motion of Mr. FAWCETT, referred to a Select Committee.
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, AND
GLEBES (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. MURPHY moved the postponement to the 3d July
of the second reading of this bill, the object of which is to
amend the law relating to the granting of sites for Roman
Catholic churches and schools by extending the powers of
existing Acts of Parliament.
Mr. NEWDEGATE moved that the order be dis-
charged.
After some discussion, in which Mr. Gregory, Mr. Vance,
Mr. Whalley, Mr. Ayrton, and Mr. Synan took part, the
house divided—
For the motion
Against it
Majority
Tho bill was accordingly postponed.
SALE OF LIQUORS ON SUNDAY BILL.
Mr. J. A. SMITH presented a number of petitions
in favour of this bill, and, owing to the late hour, moved
that the second reading be postponed ti:l the 31 of July.
After some remarks from hon. members, who objected
to Vie subject being delayed,
Mr. SMITH promised to take the bill to-morrow.
SALE OF LIQUORS ON SUNDAY (IRELAND)
BILL.
Major O'REILLY moved the second reading of this bill,
and stated that although many petitions had been presented
in its favour, not one had been presented against it. lu
many places the publichouses were already closed on Sun-
day by agreement, chiefly at the instance of the Boman
Catholic clergy. The bill provided that on Sunday all
public-houses should be closed. except between..one and
zauilddafbeterretande a secovnidacteimoen)
half-past two in the afternoon, and from eight to nine at
night.
Sir F. FIEYGATE suggested that the bill should be ro•
ferred to a select cominittce.
Mr. MURE'IIY said the statement of Mr. O'Reilly, that
no petition had been presented against the bill, was incur
rect, because ho had presented a petition against it from
710 of his constituents.
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