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hut' he had been informed that Alderman Alexander
had slept out of Dublin that night. Mr. Marsden,
who held a very cw.fidential situation, had during
that day a considerable correspondence with dif-
ferent Public Officeis, and the correspondence was
of a very curious nature. A letter was written by '
the Lord Lieutenant to the Commander in Chief,
which contained this remarkable postscript, which
had been already published. It stated that he (the
Lord Lieutenant) supposed, that as the guard was •
augmented, that the Commander in Chief had re.
ceived further intelligence. This he considered as
a clear proof that the communication which had
been made to the Commander in Chief, was such !,
as did not warrant his adopting any further pre-
cautions, because otherwise the Lord Lieutenant
would not have expressed any surprize at the guard
being increased. All the communications that were
made were involved in doubt and obscurity. Even
two hours before the Rebellion aelually broke out,
the Secretary declared in one of his official com-
munications, that a number of reports had been re-
ceived, and that he hardly knew whether to credit
or to rejeit them. An attempt had certainly been
made to throw the blame on the Military, with
what justice the House would be able to judge if
this inquiry was instituted. But the House would
recollect, that at the very time this transaition took
place, Ireland was represented as being in a state
.of profound tranquillity. The Habeas Corpus
Suspension Ail, and the Martial Law Ail, were not
in force, and the Police of the Country of course
depended upon the Civil Power. That the Military
ought not under such circumstances to be resorted
to in the first instance, was a proposition which he
supposed would not be denied : if after notice had
been given to them they were prepared to ail,
if circumstances rendered it necessary, it was all
that could be required or expeiled, and consequent-
ly they were not responsible in the first instance.
So far however from the Civil Power being in a state
of preparation, it would appear that when the Mili-
tary were called out, there was but one Magistrate
that ailed with them, and he would not give orders to
fire, because he was then out of his distrkt, and
therefore the Military Officer was prevented from
ailing as he would 'have dune for want of assistance
from the Civil Magistrate, anti the consequence was
that he was obliged to fail back upon the Barracks
in James-street. If therefore all was done that was
agreed upon at the interview between the Com_
manderin Chief and the Lord Lieutenant at three
o'clock, the Military were free from blame, and
that they did that and even more, appeared from the
letter of the Lord Lieutenant to the Commander in
Chief—lt might he supposed
,that he wished to
exonerate the Commander in Chief; that was
by no means his objell ; his only wish was, that if
any blame attached upon that occasion, either to
the Civil or to the Military Power, that that blame
might be brought home to those who deserved it.
If the House should consent to the inquiry, he would
pledge himself to lay before them such a scene of
weakness and indecision, as could hardly be con.
ceived. He would prove, that but • a very short
time before the Insurreilion broke out, `the Secre-
tary was writing Letters, doubtful and equivocal
almost beyond precedent. One of them stated, that
" Our accounts are! growing more serious, Men
are matching on the Line of the Canal, our ap-
pearances look more uncomfortable." This was
the kind of information which the Irish Govern-
ment had of an Insurreition, which! threatened no
less than the subversion of the Irish Govern-
ment, and the separation of that Country from
England.--11' this! inquiry was granted, he would
then call for-Letters written by the Lord Lieu.
tenant with a degree of apathy and unconcern that
nothing' but the produitiOn of the Letters themselves
could induce the House to believe ; and he was tho-
roughly convinced that if he was allowed to.call for
the,documerits which he should think necessary, the
•House would feel the greatest indignation at the lit-
' tle anxiety that was expressed for the public safety.
But nothing could shew the- slight opinion which
Government entertained of that important Rebellion,
more strongly than the nature of the precautions
they took. At three o'clock-the Lord Lieutenant
thought himself sufficiently guarded, on his return to
the•Phcenix Park, by a Serjeant and tz men,,and he
was surprized when the Commander in Chief aug-
' mented that guard with 3o men; but before 1.1 o'clock
at night,orders were sent to reinforce the guard with
so Dragoons and- too Infantry. This, certainly,
did not prove much, hut it shewed the different
degrees of apprehension entertained at different
times of that day, by the Irish Government ; and
it shewed that their apprehension was just fifteen
times greater at eleven o'clock at night, than it was
at three o'clock in the afternoon. In examining
the policy upon which the Irish Gavernment tided
on that occasion, the only thing in which they ap-
peared consistent was, in their wish not to give
alarm : hut it might not be improper to consider
the wisdom of such a determination. It had always
been admitted, that to prevent crimes, was much
better than to punish them ; and surely there never
was an occasion on which it was more necessary to
ail upon that principle, because it would have saved
all loyal men from the risque which they ran upon
that occasion; and certainly it was highly criminal un-
necessarily to endanger the lives of the King's Sub-
jeits. It had been urged that the return of Lord Kg-
warden to town that day, and the consequent murder
of that most excellent Nobleman were merely acciden-
tal, arid that the whole was but a contemptible riot.
But when the objeit of that insurrection was to se-
parate Ireland from Great Britain, and that at such
a moment as the present, when the exertion of every
part of the Empire was necessary to repel an im-
placable and perfidious Enemy, and when that in-
surreitiau was partly carried on in concert. with the

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Enemy, such an insurreetion at each a moment could
hardly be called a contemptible riot. Couki that he
called'a contemp:ible riot which induced Parliament
to place such extensive powers in the hands of the
Irish Government,' and after four months deliberp._
lion, again to renew these powers ? Could that l-c
called a contemptible riot which compelled the Go_
vernment of Ireland to put the Yeomanry of Ire-
land on permanent duty for three months ? NO,
When it was necessary to adopt these measures, then
Government were obliged to state transatqinn
in its true light. But he hOped the would
not differ about terms ; he hoped the investigation
would take place, and then the House would know
what terms to apply. to it. Having thanked the
House for its indulgence, he would now conclude,
with moving ", That the House should resolve it-
self into-a Committee to inquire into the conduft of
the • Irish Government relative to the Insurredion
of the 23d July, and the previous condua of that
GovertAment as far as it related to that Instirrec.

'jail."

Lora' C ASTL E AGilsaid, that the Hon. Bart.
had founded his Motion upon the suoooSed criminal
negied or 'incapacity of the Irish Government : the
Hon. Bart. had begun his observations with one
which did not possess that accuracy, which. he had
no doubt the Hon. Bart. intended ; he had assumed
in the beginning of his Speech, that it had been eon.
eluded that.blame attached to some part of the Irish
Government either Civil or Military, and that there-
fore this Motion was necessary to ascertain to which
the blame alualiy belonged. If any such conces-
sion had been made, he considered that event as be..
ing by far too important to justify him in opposing
the Inquiry. But no such concession was ever made
by His Majesty's Ministers from the first moment
the affair was ever mentioned ; the language of Mi-
nisters was uniformly this, that in their judgment
no blame whatever attached to the persons in
Government in Ireland, whether Civil or Military,
The fads conneaed with that transaction, were now
sufficiently notorious to enable Parliament to judge,
whether or not an inquiry was necessary. He
would now shortly examine the grounds upon which
he considered this inquiry as necessary or expedi.
ent ; and if he should be able to satisfy the House,
that there was no ground to attribute blame to any
charaaer, Civil or Military, he should he hoped,
satisfy them, that there was no
.ground for this in-
quiry. He was perfealy aware, that those who
were closely conneaed with the persons who formed
a part of the Government of Ireland, either Civil
or Military, might be
nut
feelingsxious ftw.awnhiincqhupirajr,l.:
These were undoubtedly natural feelings for private
persons, but they were
ment could indulge, or upon which they ought to
act, for there certainly could not be a more impro-
per
.eriterion for Parliament to judgpof the r _
priety of granting an inquiry. These feelings al-
ways existed the most strongly, where there was
the greatest confidence of innocence, but surely that
could be no reason why Parliament should waste its
valuable time merely to satisfy the feelings of in.
dividuals, where there was no blame attached what-
ever. His first objection, therefore, to this inquiry
was, that it was unnecessary, as there was no im-
putation of blame against any of the persons conned.
ed with the Irish Government. But there was ano-
ther material objeaion in point of time to this in..
quiry, because the object of it was to attack Lord
HARDWICKE, and it surely was not consistent
with justice to institute an Inquiry concerning his
conduct; - while his whole time was taken up in ad..
.ministering the affairs of Ireland. And thisobjec.
tion did not. only apply to the-Lord Lieutenant, but
to :he ()dist persons concerned in the Government
of Ireland, whether civil or military : beeause, if
.the Inquiry was insti7uted, the Officers who held
Chief Commands in Ireland, must necessarily be
examined ; all the persons concerned in the Civil
Department must also be examined, and in the mean
time the opinion of .the people, with.regard to the
Government, would be- suspended, the valuable
time. of Parliament would be taken up, the principal
Civil and Military Officers. must be brought from
Ireland to be examined, and all this upon an
occasion where no blame could be attached to
any person whatsoever.
,He did not mean to say
that these were arguments, that ought to preclude
an inquiry, if any satisfactory grounds had been
laid for one, but when nosatisfilaory case had been
made out, undoubtedly the inconvenience that must
attend it, would have great weight with the House.
He would meet the lion. Baronet upon his own
grounds, and he had no doubt hut that he should
convince the House that this inquiry ought not to
be gone into. He had stated that the Lord Lieu ►
-
tenant and the Irish Government were ignorant 'of
the affairs of that Country, that they were supine
in the discharge of their duty, that they had not
proper information, and that they could not distin-
guish between that which was true and that which
was false. Besides these general charges, the Hon.
Baronet had advanced some specific charges : he had
contended that they did not truly appreciate the
degree of danger with which they were threatened
on the 23d July, and that they did not take adequate
means to meet it. With respea to the general
Charges he begged to say a few words, and first, he
begged to deprecate that mode of stating the ques-
tion which the Hon. Bart. had adopted. It had been
inferred from the general language which Ministers
had used with regard to the tranquil state of Ire.
land, that they conceived that all danger had teas.
ed, and that there was no occasion for any precau-
tion.' He contended that every par t of their conduct
she wed that they did adopt every necessary precau.
tion ; and even the transadions of the 23d of July,
when they came to be fully examined in a Court of
Justice, proved the justice of his assertion. It war
true that Ministers, speaking of the People of Ire-

iana generally, said, that they were loyal, and that Emmett was therefore obliged at last to march front
they were tranquil, that the laws could be admi- his depot at the head of a:: army .of 8o men, and
nistered in eieir usual course, and that therefore before he reached the Market House in Thomas-
there were no grounds to justify them for call- street, his army was reduced- to zo men, most of
ing for any extatordinary powers. But when 1 whom were General Offieers. This, therefore, tie_
Ministers held this language, did they mean ; pared the whole of the danger which the Irish Go-
to convey tm Parliament, that such a miracle ; vernment had to guard against. But evertif
had been wrought in Ireland, as that a C•ton- men had 8000 men for his 8000 pikes, the garrison of
try which had in a great degree been rendered Dublin was able to have driven twice that number
systematically traitorous, should at (ince put on a out of the town. He now begged to say a few words
comeletely new appearance, and thanall the• seeds about the Military situation of Dublin. The Gar..
of Rebellion should be completery eradicated from rison consisted of four R giments of Infantry, and
it? Government certainly never said any such thing ; one of Cavalry, amounting together, including Ar-
they did indeed speak in terms of congratulation, l tillery, to 4.000 men. This Garrison was not placed
of the increased loyalty of the people of Ireland, and in one paint, but, wet divided into eight dir-
no fad was ever mare clearly proved. It was, how- ferent stations. The Guard that was constantly
ever, but justice to Lord HARDwICKE to state, mounted in Dublin amounted to between 3 and 400
that he did before the z3d of July seriously submit men. Now, with resped to the precaution,' that
to Ministers, upon general grouretsowhether, under were' used, the Cmumender in Chief, when he re-
the contemplation of the treason existing in that turned from the L.:RI Lieutenant, wrote to the
Country, the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus Ad i Officer commanding the Artillery and Ordnance, to
ought not to be adopted as a matter of precaution. desire him to use all necessary precautions for their
This consideration the Noble Lord did submit to security, aed the most effectual precactions were
Ministers, witheur particularly pressing it as his accordingly adopted to secure them from any at-
own opinion. This was a proof, that his mind tack. 'the National Bank was the next aka,
was not misled as to the State of the Country, j which was defended by a:: Officer's Guard ; it was be-
-His Majesty's Ministers, upon full consider- sides a very strong buiiding, and situated within 200
ation of this proposition, did not think it exile- yards of two of the most censidetabe Military sta-
dient to adopt that measure ; and he thought their tions in Dublin. With regard to the Castle of Dublin,
decision was a wise one, considering the situation nobody would feel more c.mcern than he should if
of this Country, which was united !dee one man in any of His Majesty's Castles were taken possession
defence of their Liberties and their Independence, M of by Rebel's. But even if the Rebels had taken it, it
and •considering the growing Loyalty of the People jwould not have facilitated their operations, nor
of Ireland ; because, under such circumstances, it would it have done any other mischief than that of
would have been neither wise nor prudent-to have 1 enabling them to destroy a few Records: but the
ailed upon 'principles of jealousy towards the pen. j Castle was always defended by a strong garrison,
pie of Ireland. He trusted he had now proved this i and besides it was within too yards of the Barracks
point, that the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland had • at Essex Bridge, in which was the 6zd Regiment,
neither taken so superficial nor so unwise a view of consisting of between 6 and boo men. Between
the state of Ireland as to suppose that it was a Comm. seven and eight o'clock, the Artillery Officer re-
try of complete Loyalty, and that no measures 1. ported that his stations were in a state of perfed se-
ct. precaution were necessary. The next charge I curity. But the Commander in Chief did not stop
was, that Government were not possessed of full here, he made other arrangements ; he. augmented
- information on the - subjed of the InsurreCtion. some of the Guards, and others he ordered to he.
Ntw he begged leave to contend, that it was not augmented after it was dark. At half past six
a subjea of blame iii every case, if Government o'alnelt he sent orders to augment the Bank and the
were not in possessiOn of every suet, and , • . " • Guards with so men each, but the reinforce.
the Conspirators might adopt, because in some cases ments were not to match till after dark. He gave or-
it was adually iMpossible. During the • former ders foe Guards also to march to the following places,
•-Rebellion in Ireland, the System of Terror was viz, to the Lord Lieutenant's, in the Park ;to the
carried to such a pitch; that- it was almost impose 'Royal Hospital, at. Kilmainham ; and to the Guard
Bible to obtain intelligence: In the present, it was at Kilmaitlidu, each a Serjearo. and twelve men ;
equally difficult to obtain intelligence, though from • , twenty men to Chapelizad, and an Officer's Guard
a different reason, fir •the secret was in so few to Clondaikin, were toe. Ponder-mills were. He
hands, that there were scarcely any means of obtain- tru,tcd therefore that it would .appear that the Corn.
ire iet'ertnation. The -explosion of the powder-mill madder ia Cc iet load not neglected the necessary
in te,H,:lostreet, however, determined the Conar: • ..tetioioas for the security of Dublin. It now re-
rotor, to lose no time in carrying their ;lot into exc._ mainea to a ;nw these precautions operated when
cution ; yet the secret was stillconfined to very few the attack. I,c e out,
,it appeared that two small
persons, namely, those who were suffered to go to 1. parties were seriitaeto, completely to disperse the
the depot, and they were not above eight in number. Rebels, eten.belore aoy other parties could march
But after the explosion of the powder-mill, Govern. to their
.assistanca. As soon as the Insurrection
merit did obtain intelligence, for the Conspirators was known, parries marched from • the Royal Bar-
wrote from• Dublin on the iSth of July, to some per- racks, :and he held in his hand, an Official Statement
sods at Belfast, requesting assistance, and that cir- of General Dun, - who commit:ldea. in. the Barracks,
cumstance was known to the Government on the ztet that night, by a hich it appeared that between ten
in Dublin. Information was also received from many and eleven o'clock, the following parties marched
channels of the intended Rising on the zest, 22d, -from the Baracks, viz. one hundred Foot and
eao eft July_ Upon the ground therefore of fifty Horse, to the Lord Lieutenant's, in the. Park ;
information, it appeared that the Irish Government fifty men to the Bank, three parries of poe hundred
were not deficient. He came now to consider whe- • mer: each, besides some .smaller ones, %vele sent in
•ther they had adopted, proper measures of precau- different directions ;in all 4.70-foot, and 5.0 horse
tion ; and in order to decide that Question _they were sent from the hartackse and theterem.ined
must estimate the extent of the danger, to know. besides 600 rank and file. There was not therefore
whether the measures of precaution were sufficient, the slightest ~presumption for imputing any negli„
fie' would first examine the extent aaf the danger as • gence to the Commander in Chief; in tact the pre_
it appeared a priori, and then as it appeared in the • cautions used, when compared .with the danger,
actual result of the Insurredion. The Conspirators might almost appear more than was necessary. It
had not determined to ad till after the explosion in was the death of Lord Kilwarden and Colonel
Patrick-street, and then instead of adopting the Brown, that gave a degree of importance to this
condud which was adopted in the former transadion
.which did nut really belong to it, for-
Rebellion, of communicating the secret to a when it came. to be examined in a Court of Justice,
- • great many persons, they only communicated it it appeared to be a most contemptible effort of a
• to a few. He begged the House to consider what wild and extravagant young mao, and had mote
was the situation of the Government of Ireland : discouraged ..the Rebels and brought the cause of Re_
they knew that an application had been made to the j hellion into more contempt than any event that had
'People of the North to rise, which application was ever occurred; and this was Mr. Emmett's no-
' -so coldly received that the report made to the Con. table receipt for overturning the. Government
•spirators was, that the North would not all. It of Ireland ! He was not however surprised
was also known, that almost all the Counties in the' that the public mind of that Country should be a
interior had refused to an, and that the only sup. little disposed to criticise upon the transadion, for
port von which the -Rebels could depend was from - though the Government was not surprized, yet be.
the Counties of Kildare and Wicklow,. and one Bit- yond all doubt, the public feeling of the Country
rony in the County of Wexford ; and it .was known was- surprized at this most extraordinary attempt.
that there was not any considerable body of Rebels But there was no transaction that was examined
that could move speedily to Dublin. If under .these , after it was over, there was nu battle that was crie
circumstances he had been called upon to consider ticised after it was fought, in which some, error
the subjea, he certainly could never have enter- might nut be found. One of the charges against
twined the supposition that the Rebels of the City the Lord Lieutenant was, that he had not given
of Dublin could have held so absurd and mad an written orders to the Commander in Chief ; this
idea as that they could, considering the garrison was a charge which he • was sure the Commander
that was in that City, have entertained any hope of himself would not make, because it was a thing
'taking the Castle. The man who however did nor usually practised. It was true, that in one in-
attempt to carry this scheme into execution was a stance, written Orders were sent to General Lake,
Mr, Emmett, a young man of an enthusiastic mind,. when he cotnmanded in the North of Ireland, but
who in consequence of the death of his Father, be- that was under particular circumstances, and could
• • -Came possessed of about 30001. and this sum he • not be necessary where the Commander and the
thought it right to embark in the erojed of over. Lord Lieutenant had the means of verbal commu-
.. fuming the GoVeriOnent of his Country ;he did nicatiun together. It had been urged that Pa-
rlor, as had. been done on former occasions, run the t troles ought to have been sent out ; but if such
risque of detcdion by applying for subscriptions, i extraordinary measures of precaution had been adopt-
- brit proceeded upon his own capital, and colleted a ed as would have induced the rebels to lay aside
very considerable quantity of pikes ; but certainly their design, time consequence would
,be, that Go-
- not so many as had been stated, for instead of Soo° vernenent would have been the laughing.stock of the
there were not above 3000; but even if he had Country, for they. would not have believed that any
colleEted 8000 pikes, it never could have entered danger existed. Besides, in that case, how could
- into his head that he could find eight thousand the Government of Ireland, under these circutn-
men -in Dublin to use them, which certainly would stances, have applied for any extraordinary power. to
• not Katie been very easy in such a City as Dublin, Parliament They could not. have laid such a case
and with such a Garrison. • Indeed Emmett did before Parliament as would have justified Mini-
not seem to have bestoWed much consideration sters in proposing, or Parliament in granting these
'upon the subject. It appeared that he -applied powers. Another criticism which, had been made
to some people in Kildare to join him ; they were upon the conduct of the Irish Government was, that
prudent enough, however, to make some inquiries they did not call out.the Yeomanry ; but certainly
as to the means he had provided to ensure success : that would have been a most humiliating display of
- Emmet replied, that he could not communicate with alarm, when the Garrison was Completely sufficient
them at that distance, but if they would send two for the defence of the town. Another criticism
confidential Delegates, he would shew them the was, that the Lord Mayor was not apprized 'tat.
. means he had provided 'they did accordirigly send the danger ; hut he contended that this was
two Delegates, who arrived in DubliOimmediaiely not necessary, as information was sent tothe
• previous to the Insurrection, and were takeeneby him I Superintending Magistrate of time Police... At the
to the - del of in ,Thomas street ; but they . were so time of Mr. DzsrArd's Conspiracy in thist, COW!.
satisfied that the means were insufficient, that they try, he had no doubt but that Goeermotiett
made such a report, that scarcely any' of the people took the necessary- precautions to ne-et aey ate
from Ktldare assisted upon that occasion. Mr, I tempt, bat he did nut appreheed that they beet to

ment, the valuable time of P,Jliament, was not it°
be taken up with this martct—if this wa, to be It'e
specimen of attention—this the sample of diligence°i
this the scale of vigilance by which the anxietY,,
Parliament for the welfare of Ireland Was to ue
measured, he must repent 'of the vote he gave) as
an English Member, for the Union, and now
as an Irish Member protest against this apa-
thy in the House towards the interests of Ines
land. Such must be his feeling, and such i
sentiment, if this Inquiry was to be refused
that was, he must repent of what he did as an Bob-
lisp Member before the Union, and in his present
capacity of an Irish Member complain that Ireland
was not fairly treated. But not only was this 111°' •
tion supposed to be improper, on account of the va'
luable time of Parliament which would be taken "P
by it, but it was improper also, because the Yalta'
tile time of my Lord HardWicke was to be taken Pf
by it ; and it was asked how the Government 0
Ireland was to go on, if this motion was carried,'
for then he would be compelled to come over to tb,,,,j5
Country fur his defence ? Here he must disclaw:
every thing personal in the present motion •
the noble person supposed to be the 01°°
interested in it, he had no knowledge of, others
,
wise than from the Government of which he 'vt
the Chief Magistrate; he had no knowledge of 01,
Lord HARDW ICK'E ; he never saw him, nor ever
heard of him hut as Lord Lieut. of Ireland. He beg
ged leave to say, he was not to be understood to Ins
tend saying of that Noble Lord any thing personal;
disrespedful ; he talked of him merely in his °I;
cial capacity on this occasion : but still when tit
question was, whether he had governed Delln
well or ill, he must be allowed to speak his 011,
freely, nor would he take the plea in bar which
offered to this Inquiry by his Noble Friend, Ott
the' Noble L:)rd had no time to-defend his condfac,
What if he was obliged to come away from 1; ?
g
land ? What if he he a valuable Chief Ma istfaA-e I
" He hoped we had within the land fiveh°,-cr' ietcY
as good as he." He saw no absolute necerea
for his remaining in Ireland. If he had inctir why
the suspicion of Parliament, he saw no reolefote
he should not be recalled and brought `),,-t let
that Parliament to make his defence, and an'vtjas
appointed in the Office which he now holds. 10,
this difficulty of recalling a person in a high s'iriei
tion so extraordinary, that it could not be reo •
ail
to ?—Had it not been thought necessary to recall
General rox, even although it now
there was no objection to him was now
ly admitted there was no objedion whatever to t
condua of that gallant Officer, and yet he Was
ity~
called. He; knew not by what chain of neeess'of
Lord fiAttuw ICKE was so bound trythe o
was adrnitto,
ce
Lord' Lieutenant
be accused, he cannot come-home tcydellold
:hat howevcr h.e.; 11:31f1..
Upon this; subjed..Of Inquiry, his I`4oarbo° 1c 171.1
took three grounds, and erdeavouied to g
them, to shew 'that this Inquiry was itlitir°P.r.;,,o:
First, that the Government was not ontillY
duded upon the subjed of the 231 of July 1tot;.
Secondly,. that the danger' of the day:,"?.'esicityr:
so great as it had been eei:tesented`i•-'1.4.1.M0a
a ground which had , no relation to :02,6;,0ry•
tion ; that since ; ;the, surptize into' which, (.*.gvet"'
ment was thrown upon that occasion, '3
to Aa.
ment had been vigilant. Now if he were onion
mit the truth of this last ground of JusLlll;f6to
of Ireland ; if he was to admit in its.„-j.,,„"''„t,of G
the assertion, that from the moment ."'"l'd of
whatever it was proper to call it, on the
July, Government had been the most vigorouir't of
gilant and alive that ever existed, yet n° radea
the accusation upon which this Motion was fou sos
would have been answered, for this Motinill
:pot
founded upon an allegation that they 'diTiolY;
use proper precautions before and on the 23d ("1,01
the Motion had no reference to any things coo
had happened since that period. Now it o'''osveEt
plained of as a thing improper, that a better
-had been held forth on the subjed of the- have
lity and Happiness of ;Ireland than one'
been, or that the real state of things 01 w°l2. S 3it'
Fil
rant ; and upon theSe topics his Noble rtictilst
that he had stated his' opinion with no P,casio°
emphasis, but that what he said on thatits j
was to be taken with shades and ualificatre,o6
`NOW, Mr. CANNING said that his ccoll7/3Psdhse'
that these shades and qualifications,withwltics, were
vent speeches di his Noble Friend abotOdeonillit)r
never Made when the assertion of the 11.371 n t;ll3‘
.and Happiness of Ireland was made. But Wkliea
assertion was complained of :as being ce andfr,-;
fans, then his Noble Friend turned rann“
duced his shades and qualifications• of 'what ;og
'This reminded him of what the CHANCE
the Ex c EQU ER had said in iha t Hot& tVit`ed ;
jea. He, insisted uponit that when he tal'ce;lJ
prosped of Peace, he did oast say profound re°e.vio 0
the• Word profound, usually accompanied ILtsti;
Peace; they usually went together, he rite
reason for it, Mr. CANNING said; unless
iiteration, for they both began with a rl
n
exi'eacd that Ministers wou;:l; deal fairlrwt iiistchts
Meta ;he wasof 6pinion'that r olhe words of ,;(1,
especially when they were prospeaive• slur lieu)
'Weighed' well before they were delivered, j°l.,edi i
rf.
riot understand the idea that men were t°,,nistcroc
fools for haVing believed the words of a that ose
1-
or that it should be thrown in their teeth'
but fooN could believe them. Now thco;Whei;
was a,,ked why they did not to in with tl
they believed the assertion that Ireland 14uslie,
to be tranquil and happy, these shades 311
° be Erse
cations to accompany their belief, so .15 tBO
pared for what had adually happened „vete,lto
were not loose or vague assertions; theY
alifieure,
serious assertions of a Gentleman well cluoiacoo
make them, and for that reason likely t° °avatll.
dip for them when made, from the grea,,t aolcjgd:el
he was well known to possess by local sl:if 001/
and therefore it was not matter of wont' etedit.,t,
House of Commons gave That asserti°' ibc
'But his Noble Friend had said that t.'ll,egan
plosion in Patrick-street, GiVOrCirne"t 6,p10s 014
think that all was not right.—Now •thte.tion tc)eiG
was on the I6th of Duty ; the Insultoe !v/39
place on the 23.1. Here was a petin" Loin" Pt
during which nothing was done ; no-Ptec-
reason 6t lip
taken, not withstanding this onabundan;be 1 Or
precaution.' The explosion happened ei% e
which ought to have put i\lioiters on

acquaint the Lord Mayor of the Orcumstanee.---
With. regard to the attsck made upon the Lord
Mayor's house, the faA was, that tour men went
there, and the arms in the house were delivered up
by a servant who was in the Conspiracy. Another
charge was, that the Troops had not ammunition :
he believed that the Rebels entertained a very dif-
ferent ()elision upon 'the subjea, but the fart was,
that the Commander had given orders that every
man, in addition to 6o rounds of ball cartridge in the
Barrack,, should always have t z rounds in his pouch,
so that no blame could he attributed to the Commander
in Chief upon tharground. Besides, when it was
considered that the Troops could not act in a line in
Dublin, but must fire by platoons of not more than six
or eight abreast, it must he obvious that 12 rounds
each man was amply sufficient. The Hon. Bart.
had stated that the Superintending Magistrate slept
out of town that night ; how the faSt was he did not
know, but if he did, that was no imputation upon
Government, which had given him the necessary in-
formation, and it was perfeStly well known that he
had given orders for all the Constables and Police
Officers to be in readiness. He bored the House
would excuse him for going so much into detail upon
the sUbjeCt, but he conceived it to be his duty to do
so, and he hoped the statement he had made would
convince the House that the Government of Ireland
had conduSied itself like a wise, provident, arid Vi-
gilant Administration (here there was a great cry
of" hear! hear,!")----He wished to ask, what was
the conduCt of that Government after they knew
the•extent of the danger ? - They had pursued the
Treason through all its ramifications, they had
deteCted the Traitors in every part of the country,
they tried the Criminals by the ordinary Tribu-
nals of the Country, and had displayed clemency
whenever it could be dcne with safety. Upon the'
whole, therefore, he contended that the Irish Go-
iernment were not ignorant -of the general state of
the Country before the insurrettion, that they had
information of the intended rising, and consequently
were not surprised ;: that they took the proper pre-
cautions to meet the 'danger that threatened them,
and that after the InattrieStion, they were indefati-
gable in deteSting and. bring the Traitors to trial
before the ordinary' TribUnals of the Country.—
Upon these grounds, therefore, he contended that
there were no gtounds laid to induce Parliament-to
grant this. inquiry, and therefore he should vote
1 against the Motion.
111 r. CANNING said, that before he- proceeded
on the discussion of the subject now before the
House, he wished to take some notice of the ground
which his _Noble Friend who had just spoken had
taken to oppose the Motion, a ground which might
be urged against every Motion that ever was made
or ever could be made for any Inquiry whatever
in that House into 'the comluSt of any Administra-
tion ; a course that 'Might do to:screen any Govern-
merit' however liable to-perpetual-attack; and-which
to a Government thaf:Was not very strong iri itself
was the more necessary for that; for many, and some
of them particular reasons. It was not, in -his -
opinion, wise to attempt to day down any general
rules to govern all cases of motions for Parlia-
mentary Inquiry. The grounds here were three:.
two of them were of-a general kind ; the reason for
or against the inquiry, was not to be considered as •
conclusive on the one side or the other, but consider-
ed from both together. Each case of proposed.ln-
quiry in that House should be considered, not with
reference to any rule that was supposed to be binding,
but should stand upon its own merits. It was inju-
dicious to say that inquiries in that House are at
'all times • improper, or at times to be indulged,
but the HOuse would judge in each case as it ap.'
peared before it, would judge when the topics were
brought before it, whether the fasts complained
were justly So-complained. of, -and therefore _ought
to be inquired into, or whether they are assumed facts,
and not to be considered ; whether, in short, the ac-
cusation is justly made, or wantonly made ; whether
the resistance to it was made with a sense of the inte-
grity of the-parties accused, and of the merit of their
case, or brought forward to prevent its vileness and
rottenness from being searched, and proceeded from
an unwillingness to expose it. His Noble Friend
who now resisted this Inquiry had not been sparing
in his general topics, but he had urged them with a
plainness of colouring he hardly ever noticed before.
What did his Noble Friend say against the In-
quiry now proposed ? That it would take tip the
time, the valuable time of Parliament.s• Undoubt-.
edly it -would do so :- Bst how was the time of Par-,
liathent, valuable as it was, to be applied at -all--
was it riot in the exercise of the most important
Funaions6lParliament ? And what were those im-
portant FunEtions-a—what but that of looking into
the Conduel of its Government, to see whether the
people were well or ill governed ; to see whether those
who afted in the Goseinthent . deserved Confidence.
or not ?
.How could that be'known when connshrints
were most seriously exhibited, and cifered to be pro's,-
ed, without inquiry. into the truth or the falsehood of
such complaint ? HOW could there be any confi-
dence for the future, 'unless there was satisfaElion
as to the paSt ? But the arguments by which his.
Noble Friend had offered his resistance to the pre.
sent Motion, came with peculiar ill grace at the
present time. Mr. CANNING said, he voted for
the Union between this Country and Ireland : he
was then an English Member of Parliament ; since
that Union he had sat in the House as an Irish Mem-
ber—and he would now ask, how it was possible
for that :House,. die great bulk of which consisted
of English Members, to refuse to inquire into a
matter so generally interesting to the Empire at
large, and particularly interesting to Ireland ?
Or was he to be told that he tricked Ire-
land, - when he gave his vote for the Union,
as a Member of Parliament for England ?--
Now, that the valuable time of Parliament should
be taken up in the discussion of this subje't
was, in his opioion, highly proper, for had it not
been for the Union, the subject would have been
long ago discussed in Ireland—in that House at the
,door of which some of the outrages in question
were comtnitted : The very House in which the
Members would have assembled, .had nearly been a
scene of aft-ion : They, would there have most as-
suredly instituted an inquiry, whether they had or
had not been pio.perly ..dented by the Executive
Government ; but if the inquiry now proposed was
to be refused on the ground that the tune of Parlia.

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