The Sun.
London, England, 1867-06-03 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIADIENT

HOUSE OF LORDS—TiIIs EVENING.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at
five o'clock.

PETITION.
Lord DERBY said that he had a petition to preset?t,
which was rather ambiguous, and he doubted whether it
could be placed before their lordships' house. It was
irregularly signed, and had a piece of paper pasted over it.
It purported to be signed by the minister of a Baptist
Chapel, in Arthur-street, Battersea.
THE KNIGHTSBRIDGE BARRACKS.

Lord REDESDALE said, in asking a question relative
to the removal of the Knightsbridge Barracks, he had read
in the papers that they were to be pulled down, and
the quartering of the troops taken elsewhere, but
he should like to mention that he considered that
they were the best situated in the metropolis,
and quite central, if any outbreak should occur. The re-
moval of these barracks was principally asked for by per-
sons who had property in the 'district, they considering
that barracks were most objectionable, inasmuch as they
were an obstruction. From what he could hear from the
persons who had lived in that barracks they were
admirably suited to purposes they were now devoted to,
and he considered that it would be most unfair to remove
those barracks. The wish for such a removal only ema-
nated from thoso who had property in the neighbour-
hood.

The Earl of LUCAN said that he was glad of having
the opportunity of expressing his opiaton that these bar-
racks at Knight ibridgo were the most admirably adapted
for cavalry barracks in the kingdom. He had long known
these barracks, and he could safely say that he had never
known any occasion when there was a general sick-
ness there. He would ask the Noble Earl opposite
who so condemned these barracks if the Chelsea bar-
racks—an infantry barracks—had cost the country
£200,000. He could not believe that it was intended to
pull down those buildings, and put the country to an
expense of £35,000. He believed that the Knights-
bridge barrcaks was as healthy a barracks as
possible, although he admitted that every one of them
might be improved. There was no utility or purpose of
order in removing these barrack. Any other houses that
might be put there would be quite as objectionable.
Lord LONGFORD said that there was no intention
to remove the barracks at all. He had seen the memorial
alluded to by the noble earl, and he thought he had dis-
posed of the objection that it contained. The fact was
that the barracks were to bo removed only if no expense
was incurred, and a more convenient site could be found,
but as this was not possible the matter must fall to the
ground.
Lord DE ROS quite concurred in what had been said
with respect to the barracks.
The Duke of CAMBRIDGE was not aware that his
noble friend (the Earl de Grey and Ripony,:had ever
said that the barracks were in a bad state at all,
but think it interfered with the prospect in the park. He
had been over the barrack, and found it a good and effi-
cient enough, but the objection was that it was
an inartistic portion of the park, and it was no donbt
very desirable that some improvements should be
made with regard to it, and he believed that it was the
intention of her Majesty's Government to .ziako the best
improvements they could there. He agreed with the noble
earl that it was one of the most healthy barracks in Lon-
don, and that it would be a great disadvantage to re-
move it. He did not quite agree with him that sanitary
improvements were not necessary.
Earl DE GREY and RIPON said that he must deny
that ho ever said what was imputed to him by the noble
earl (Luc an) relative to their being the very worst bar-
racks in Loudon, but he must say that their sanitary arrange-
ments were very faulty, and the removal was thought
advisable by Sir G. Lewis and himself. Whether they
were removed or not, ho hoped that they would be put
into a thorough sanitary state.
The subject then dropped.
THE DUNHILL BURIAL GROUNDS BILL.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY moved the second read-
ing of the bill. lie said that the people of all denomina-
tions in that district had made over to the Ecclesiastical
Commissioners the Bunhill Burial Grounds, on the con-
dition that it should remain an open space, and that
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that it was most important, considering the influential
bodies who desired that it should remain f:rnhopen
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[LEFT SITTING. I

HOUSE OF COMMONS—Tins EVENING.
The SPEAKEK took the chair at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were read a third time and passed :
—Drayton Junction Railway, Dublin Port, Great North
of Scotland Railway, I.lnyton and Roby Gas, and Nortli
British Railway (Carlisle DeviationOA.)
TIIE SHIP NTII. _ _

Mr. KNATCIIBULL-HUGESSEN asked the Vice-
President of the Board of Trade whether the report of the
commissioner appointed to inquire into the case of the ship
North had yet been received by the Board of Trade; and,
if :so, whether he would communicate such report to the
house ?
Mr. CAVE said the report had not yet been received.
RITUALISM.
Mr. D. GRIFFITH asked the Secretary of State for
the Homo Department whether since the appointment of
names which aro avowedly identified with the encourage-
ment of ritualistic practices upon the commission to in-
quire into the conduct of Church services would tend to
discredit the moral force of its decisions iu the mind of the
publie, it would not be desirable, in order to secure the
grea.est possible confidence in the constitution of that
commission, to communicate the names intended to com-
pos 3 it to Parliament previous to their final appoint-
ment ?
Mr. HARDY said he did not think it would be for the
good of the public service that the names should be pub-
lished before the comtnissioners were appointed.
TIIE ARMY ESTIMATES.

Sir J. PAKII4GTEOI4 said ho should move the regular
army estimates on Thursday next, and that he should take
votes 12, 13, and 14 first, as it Ivas important that these
votes should be settled as early as possible.
FLOGGING CADETS.

In reply to Mr. Bess,
Mr. CORBY said there had been no revival of corporal
punishment on board the fi:►g-ship Britannia, but the
punishment of birching was still in force.
ENGLAND AND PORTUGAL. _

Mr. AKIZOYD asked the S,Tretary of State for Foreign
Affairs if the negotiation of a treaty of commerce with the
Portugu se Government was still pending ; and if he had
received any further communication from that Government
since the lith March, when ho replied to a similar ques-
tion ; if he hid any objection to lay upon the table the cor-
respondencl upon the a u bj ec t, and the corold'ons insisted
upon by the Portuguese Government, which, according
to the statement of the noble lord, would amount to
the total abolition of the alcoholic Lost as applied to wines;
and whether he was aware that a treaty of commerce bad
recently Lam concluded between the Portuguese and
French Governments, admitting French goods on more
favourable terms than heretofore, and thus to the compoti-
live disadvantage of the British manufacturer?
Lord STANLEY said that negotiations leading to a
treaty of commerce between this country and Portugal
were still pending. He had on a former occasion stated
that the negotiations had fallen through, but they had been
renewed at the request of Portug.ll. Ile was a. ago that a
treaty of commerce had been concluded between France
and Portugal, and it had been clone in return for certain
special concessions to Poi tugal from Franco.
TILE EMPEKOit MAXIMILIAN.
In reply to an HON. MEmerat,
Lord STANLEY said he had received no official infor-
mation on the subject; iu Let, all he knew was from that
what -bad appeared in the newspapers.. Owing to the
state of the country be presumed that the despatches
directed to the Foreign-offiee had either been intercepted,
or that owing to a danger of their arriving safe at their
destination they had not been forwarded.
THE ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ACT.
Mr. NEWDEGATE asked the right hon. gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer to use his influence with the
hon. lumber for Ibeth to withdraw his motion for the

appointment of a committee to consider the advisability cf
repealing the Ecclesiastical Titles Act.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had
no influence over the hon. member for Meath. It had
been intimated to him that it would be of importance that
a member of the Government should serve on the com-
mittee, and his bon. friend the member for Cambridge
University, with the Judge Advocate, had been placed on
the committee. He could not think of asking the hon.
member for Meath to withdraw a motion which he
thought was for the public advantage, and to which the
Government had given its assent.
THE WAR IN CRETE.
Mr. GREGORY asked whether it was true that the
Government of England had joined with the other European
powers in a joint note to Turkey to endeavour to bring
the devastatinr, war in Crete to it cloy;.
Lord STANIEY said he had not taken any part in such
a prticeeding.

REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE BILL.
The hells° then went into committee on this bill.
Sergeant GASELEE said, as the house had accepted
one portion of his plan— (1 aid laughter)—he would now
proceed to lay the other part, or, he should say, the. coin-
meneement of his proposition, before the committee.
Owing to the anxiety of the hon. member. who introduced
his proposal to. the cotrunittee, he had now only the duty of
introducing the remainder of it. for consideration. (Hear,
hear, fuel laughter.) In doing that he should have to
place the c.art before the horse, but that was by nu fault
of his owl,. (Laughter.) fie therefore sieved that after Mr.
Laing's amendment to all the following words—viz.:
"And every borough which had a less population
than five thousand at thii said census snail cease
to return nay member to serve in Parliament."
It was quite time, in his opinion, that the great an nu fly
that had so long existed, that 10 boroughs, with a
population of 39,704 and only 2,700 electors, should
be precluded from sending no less than fifteen mem-
bers to Parliament. The honourable and learned member
then read the names of the boroughs, in many of which
the number of registered electors did not exceed 200, said
he had not performed his disgraceful, he should say his
disagreeable, task—(laughter)--and if the Chancellor of
Exchequer adopted his motion would leave ten more seats
at his disposal. If he did, ho would be able to satisfy
Chelsea and Kensington, neither of which were satisfied
with the proposal of the Government. lie could also in
some degree satisfy Accrington, Doncaster, Harrogate,
Keighley, Bingley, Gosport, Leeds, Liverpool, Merthyr,
Salford, Birkenhead, Paddington, Birmingham, Bristol,
Finsbury,' Manchester, Marylebone, Sheffield and South-
wark, many of which have as much right to division into
two parts or en additional member as Glasgow and the
Tower Hamlets.

Mr. J. GOLDSMID said he hoped the house would
pause before they adopted the motion of the honour-
rable and learned member, because it was, in effect,
converting the country into electoral districts. lle
thought it unwise to do away with the small boroughs,
because it was well known that some of the greatest men
who had ever sat in that house had been re-
turned to Parliament by such boroughs as the hon.
and learned gentleman sought to abolish. With respect to
Paddington not being represented, he had to tell the hon.
and learned member that that place was in Marylebone,
and that Kensington and Chelsea would be, in consequence
of the lowering of the franchise, represented in Middlesex
for the future.

Mr. SCIIREIBER moved an amendment to that moved
by the hon. and learned member for Portsmouth, the
effect of which would be to spare the five boroughs with
500 population, but the remaining five, ho was afraid,
must be left to their inevitable fate.
Sir L. PALK said he did not think it would be
advisable to abolish all small boroughs. Arundel returned
the only English Roman Catholic, and he did not think
that that large body should be grudged a single repre-
sentative. With respect to Ashburton, Lord Lyndhurst
first obtained his seat in Parliament for that place.
Mr. CARDWELL said he should support the proposal
of the hon. member for Portsmouth in preference to the
amendment that had been made to it. (Hear, hear.) If
they wanted to keep up the agitation for electoral districts
they would reject the ;amendment: of ' the hen., member
for Portsmouth, but if they wished to keep the agitation
down they would adopt it.
(LEFT SITTING.)