The Sun.
London, England, 1803-05-14 00:00:00

MONEY %CADY TO ADVANCE.

1.1. PERSONS
in possession, of illeQinesi
arising from Freehold,'_ Copyliold, or Leasehold
itt Land or Plouses, Mono. in the Funds, Rent
Citariss, Marriage Settlements, Widows' jointures, An-
nuities, Patinit•Placts, Church tivitivs, or any' other cer-
tain InCenie for Lite, may be .suppized with temporary or
permanent Stuns of Money to any Amontit, by paying An-
nuity inter eat tor the rainy. . •
TM Nobility Amid gentry of known Property, or their
Ifeirs, may be accommodated oh their personal security
and in any instance where the single security of an inch
dual may be deemed instiffleient, the addition of another
,person to guarantee the payment of the Interest will re-
.move the ohjeelion ; and; in all cases, privilege will be
given to the Public to return the Principal at their,own
option. •
Personal applications will be received every day till Foul
o'Clock; inut Lttters front Correspondents to Town or
Country ",,po.)t pant) will be irriviediatelv answered, by an-
d4,ssing to tat: Iliream- of tile KniglitsCridge Hank, at- his
Town Rouse, No. 8, Lower john-htreet, Colden-4qiniro.

LALEHAM, MIDOLESIA.
TO HE SOLI) BY AU eTION.
By Mr. 'THOMAS CH A PMAN
Of R.iehmond, Surrey,
In LOTS,
On FRIDAY, the aoth at May hist. at Twelve o'Clock,
t Noun precisely, at the Hush inn, Staines,
THE MANOR and LORDSHIP of LALE.
HAM, with Court Lett and Court Baron, severalr
Mansion Houses and Gardens on the Banks of the River
"Thames • 'and upwards of Eight Hundred and Twenty
Acres of rich Arable, Meadow, and Pasture Land ; the
.greatest part free from Tythes : a heAthy situation, and
situate in one of the best neighbourlir:ods ; only (Me mile
from. Chertwy, two treat, Staines, and ti I % wen from London,
further particulars may be had at .the Chambers of Mr.
Graham. Lincoln's-Imi'; of Nig-, Thomas Chapman, Land.
Surveyor and Auttioneer„ Richmond, Surrey ; and of Mr.
Thomas Kartisen, at Laleharn, (who will skew ihe Pre-
mises); at the BuSh, At Starnes} and of Mr, Horne, Allot 3ey
at I aw 3 SWIM.

IMPERIAL R L EIV T.

ROUSE OF PEERS.'

ritfnAy, MAY 13.

Co urrst.t, tvvre heard in cotetintitition relative to the Scotch
A ope.d. the Company v. Ogilvie.—Further hearing
adl urn: till -Nle+nciay.
The v;:t1w; Bi ere tbri,Varded in their respcaive stages.
The Nottingiiani Pill Went through 'a CoMmittee
of the whole House. and was ordered to be repotted crt 1000-
day.
'Mr. Az.rat ^len I.R and others brought up the East India
Company Volunteers' kill ; which. Was read a first time.
Several other Bins. mostly of a private ruture, Were
brought tip, by of her ,Genticipep.

Their Lordships then proceeded to the Order of the
Day, which respedied,a Discussion of the financial
circutn,tanres of the Country.
Lard KING rose pursuant to the notice be had
giVen, oy state bin sentiments with.respeCi to this
import:in! SobjeCi. Tie should not, he said, have
Come forward, had any other Peer, more able and
more Conversant on the subjca than himself, appear.
ed inclined, at lend, in his mitres, sufficiently early
to agitate the Discussion.- Their Lordships were
aware, that a variety of,F*cial AccoUnts, some
of a voluminous nature, were on their 'Lordship'
: these were ordered, for the most part, on
the MotitMs of it Noble Lord opposite to him ; but
in what ke wasabout to submit to their Lordships'
consideration, he should chic fly confine himself to
those Accounts presented previous to the delivery
of His. Majesty's Message, and 'from which too
flattering deduetions had been made, with a view,
no doubt, of raising the public confidence; but un,
der impressions of public duty, and with a view to
evince to the Country its real situation, in point of
Fitsarfee, felt it incumbent on him to examine
with strictness and precision, and the results
which' be should be able io make, he doubted nor,
would' be of a very different nature, from the deduc-
tion to which he had alluded. The Noble Lord
then proceeded to a detailed examination of those
points of the ACcoants upon the Table, to which he
said,• he should aired their Lordship' attention.—
with respeet to, a part of these, his objet ieemed
to point out some
.great and important differences
in the -modes of stating the" steads of Revenue, Ex.
penditure, &T.. With a wiew to evince the necessity
lof a subsrqueut,. detailed, and deliberate inquiry.
From his view of these items, he argued that the
different heads were in some iestances, as those of
Income, Revenue, &c. over-rated ; in these items
which regarded the expenditure and disbursements,
under-rated. To establish these positions, his
Lordship entered into a variety of calculations
and details, which as they mostly consisted
of comparative statements,' were the more complex
and abstruse we therefore, under the apprehension
of urtintentiOnahmis-statethent, shall not attempt to
follow his Lordship. lie touched, but not Weightily,
upon the statements made by tile CuaNcELLoa of
the Excl. e u F and entered • into some • calcula.
tions tolsbew the erroneous tendency of part of his
statements. He then adverted to what had fallen
Aroma Noble Lord -opposite to him on a former
respediog the general subje!ii- and contend.
ed, that there 'could by no means be such an aggro.
gate as a' sum exceeding t 6 millions, applicable to
put iimc pnrioses. In; arguing this point his Loyd:
ship sermett to say, that the'British•-and Irish Ex-
penditure were not sufficiently disciiminated.. tie
rrtrtt commenters intro Om teat circumstances of
-
the Consolidated lona, and .the state of adual
expenditure, and contended, instead of there exist-
ing a considerable surplus, as arguedori the'part of
the Minister, there was a real deficit to a consider.
Able amount, inasmuch as there remained, after a
due and candid statement of the whole Supply and
Ways and Means, a Sum of only 9,112,000 h to
toyer an expenditure of snore than i 6 Millions. He
then took a view of the different ways in which
the National Income could be equalized, one of
which means, namely, an appropriation of the Sink-
ing Fund, be thought none could dare to propose.
Drawing towards a conclusion, he. censured the
system, particularly with roped to finance; pur.
surd by Ministers; in concealing . from the Country
its real State in that. tespeit, and holdins forth
the hopes of seeing a. surplus, when in fad
there existed an alarming deficit. Upon thekwhole-
he deemed she general Subjeft well worthy
the serious attention, and minute consideration of
their Lordships, and in that view he should move
for the appointment of i" a Committee fur the pun.
pose of ingairiog into the teal situation of the
ttanceS Oche Country, and to report their opinion of
the same to the House,"
On the Question being put,

Lard A UCKL AND r; i
ses and nan able and argu:
menrative Speech, combated the positions of the
Noble Lord who hail just sat down. In doing this,
his.Lordshiii entered into a more detailed, as well as
general view of the subject than the preceding speaker.
He contended, that no satisfactory ground whatever
had been laid down by his Lordship for the institu.
don of such an inquiry. He took a comprehensive
view of the } rinopal Financial disquisitions which
bad taken place, since the accession of the late
Administration to power, artd particularly dwelt
upon the proceedings of the Committee of 1786,
and epchibited a regu;ar financial history of the
country since, that period. With a vicw of bring.
ing the subjta fully before the House, he had
moved for the produCtion of a variety of documents,
from a perusal of 42,bich any individual Peer could
thoroughly satisfy himself there existed not
the least necessity for the inquiry proposed by the
Noble Lord. The statements with which-he pro.
posed then td trouble their Lordships, on the parti.
cular points in .discu3sion, were comparatively re.
ducible to a small compass. He reminded their
Lordships the discussion did not •originate with
him. A Noble Earl opposite Was the first mover
for accounts, but upon what bad been said, lie
thought it his duty to state lois own sentiments,
and to move fur additional docoments in order to
bring the subjea duly before the House. He thought
that instead of there being a considerable minus, as
was asserted, be could evince there s% a. 4 a surplus of
Letween 3 and 4. millions.—Tit endeavouring to sub.
s,:ostiate this position, he contended that the Noble
1.,,rd opposite had calculated upon erroneous
vlvunds ; the Irish part of the expenditure
1.4 d nothing to ale with his statement. lie
-

heads of the Revenue, and dw 'with some
stress upon the article of ,he bounties paid on ac-
count of corn and rice, the .importme and extent
of which never seemed to have been adequately con.
shirred. He argued that every thing lA'tich occurred
within the year, made part of the red income of
that 'perioA, and in the aggregate et/led:tied, that
*amount exceeded 34,34.i,0001. He then proceeded
to the consideration of the consolidated fund, with
• reaped: to which we understood his Lordship to say,
there existed a true and. real surplus of more than
seven millions. Recurring again to the reports of
the Finanee , Committees, he observed the re.
sults shetved the progressive increase of the
Revenue, and the improved energies of the Coun-
try. He then 'exhibited a view of the number of
Ships, Men, and Tons, employed at different periods
in the Merchant Service, which abundantly proved,
that the Commercial kept pace with the Financial
Prosperity of the Country : and those in the last
year he observed, were treble what they were in
1779. Adverting generally -to the National Ex.
penditnre, his Lordship did not deem it incumbent
on him, considering the view upon which he came
forward, to dwell upon it in detail. He then al-
luded to the situation in which the Country was
placed, particularly with respe& to its late Ad.
versary, a Power which had nor, since the pacifi..
,cation, manifested any genuine proofs of concilier-
tion towards us ; and observed, that it wouldhardly
be recommended from any quarter, to reduce, the
present Expenditure. Dwelling upon these con.
siderat ions with much' force, ability and elfea, his
Lordship at ncluded with stating his disapprobation
of themotion.

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The Earl of MOIRA spOke in answer to what bad
fallen froM the Noble Lord:Who spoke last, at some
length : he complimented the Noble Lord who in.
trodueed the subject, for the repeated display he
Made of talents which would one day become highly.
useful to his Country : be deprecated the mode of
substituting a branch of the subjen, for the main
points of it, and observed, that it was not so much
on the details of the subjen, as on its final re-
sults, that the merits of the question depend-
ed. In Char view it was indifferent to him whe.
ther
.the Noble LOrd was in error I, 2, Of 3
He then entered into some calculations
to prove -the non-existence of
,the surplus advanced
by the Noble Lord on -former occasion. The
accounts before the House, particUlarly those moved
for by the Noble Lord, Were of a very voluminous
nature, and in his mind, the subject required far.
'ther and deliberate inquiry..'
LOrd AUCKL4NII just rose to explain, that the
Noble Earl seemed to misconceive him ; arpart of
what he adverted to, was by him only admitted
for the sake of the argument.
The Earl of MOIRA proceeded, and after con.
tending that much of the financial statements on the
put of Ministers -.vele unfimoded, adverted in
some degree to their political cOoduet, of which
as it tended to operate, particularly in a finan:.
6A point .of view, he spoke in- terms of disap.
probation. He thought Parliament in these respects
ought to an frankly with the Country, instead of
Concealing its real 'situation, In the present, Stage
of the business, and considering the voluminoUs
ture of the accounts, even Members of that House
could not become masters of the subject, still less
she Pulac contended for the existence
of an alarming deficit, and strongly recommended
the adoption of his Nrible Friend's Motion.

Lord GRENPILLE observed, that he should
proceed to call their Lordship' attention to the sub.
jea upon which the Noble Lord had grounded his
Motion,.,though he, in some degree, differed.froni
that Noble Lord as to what he had advanced;, his'
objefl, however, in so coming forward, was not to
place himself in opposition. to any of the Noble
Lords who had delivered their sentiments, but im.
pelled by considerations of public duty, tirshew, as
tar as he was able, and which he thought was the
bounden ,duty of all, to shew to the Country
its true situation, by a fair- and manly statement
of the circumstances under which it was placed.
—That system of Concealment. which prevailed tilt)
much of late, had been carried too, far, and partici).
larly upon 'a sti!ied, the most interesting of
all others to the Country. He thought, no
Member of that or the other, House of Parlia.
ment, had need to apologize for bringing -,forward
a subjed of such vital importancefairly to the view
of the country. There muat, however, be persons
conscious of not having thus come forward to serve
the'Country : but with respeti to Parliament gene-
rally, it was necessary they should open'the eyes of
the Country, and particularly in such a momentuous
crisis as the present, shew them their real situatiOn
it ought to he made clear to the Country, whether
or not its finances were in that state, that there
existed a large disposable surplus, or a real alarming
deficiency. In contemplating the circumstance 'of
a deficiency, it should be turther inquired into,
whether there really existed a necessity of supply-
ing those deficiencies by that most ruinous
of all financial measures, a system of peace loans
He acknowledged the utilityof the various accounts
which had been laid before the House; however, in
the importaot, but perhaps rather general 'view
which he then meant to take of the subjeCt, be• Was
saved the trouble of adverting to them in detail ; a
casual reference would be sufficient foi his purpose.
Those which he should have occasion. to refer 'to
were, of, unquestionable authenticity, being signed
by the Secretary of the Treasury, and, the results
of these, lie meant to contrast with the statements
made-by the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
himself, taken from a publication issued by authority
into the world, and With a vie* to the full informa-
tion of the Public; and statements whiCh he could not
refrain from olderving, had been fatally, to a certain
degree, credited and Med upon hy the monied interest
of the country. .In considering the Subjeti before
them, he disclaimed the least:idea whatever ;of
.ex,
citing any sensation of desflondi:tintecw a r.: '')peantikesirthiwe:sf
of this particular nature, he
more liable to misrepresentation than on any other,
s'ubjec't, and in that view he .felt 'himself called
uponupondistinCtly to state his firm coovklioo, that
instead of there .existing any real sauce lii de.
spontlincy or dismay, the country had upon
every account, just reason to be pi, fidt:nt ru the
strength and adequacy of its oivn resources, The