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THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 23, 1867.

could be regarded as a respectful treatment of the House of
Commons which had passed the bill unanimously. In con-
clusion ho addressed a powerful and eloquent appeal to
their lordships to give the Government and the bill their
support.
Earl GREY said that ho had not giyon notice of his
amendment with the object of asking the house to abso-
lutely reject the measure, faulty and even dangerous as
ho considered it to be, but to affirm the necessity of greatly
amending it in committee. As to his proposal being an
insult to the House of Commons, it should be recollected
that the bill had only been passed by a most extraordinary
concurrence of circumstances, and he believed that fully
two-thirds of the Commons regarded the bill as so bad
that they quite concurred in the views propounded by his
resolution. He agreed with the Premier that it once they
departed from the £lO franchise it would be impossible
to arrest their descent ; but that fact led them to the con-
clusion that they ought to adhere to the £lO line, and de-
vise other means of admitting to the franchise those who
were entitled to it. After reviewing the provisions of the
bill at considerable length, descanting on its defects and
omissions, and complaining that the Government had dealt
with the question in undue haste and on imperfect infor-
mation, the noble earl moved—" That the bill to amend
the laws relating to the representation of the people in
England and Wales, to which it is asked to assent, does
not appear to this house to be calculated in its present
shape to effect a permanent settlement of this important
question, or to promote the future good government of the
country ; but the house, recognising the urgent necessity
for the passing of a bill to amend the existing system of
representation, will not refuse to give a second reading to
that which has been brivlit to it from the House of Com-
mons, in the hope that in itsSfutiiiie stages it may ba found
possible to correct some of its faults, and to render it better
fitted to accomplish the proper objects of such a measure."
Towards the close of the noble earl's speech he became so
completely exhausted that he was inaudible to all but a few
peers who wore sitting in his immediate vicinity ; and upon
concluding lie was so utterly prostrate that he had to be
led from the house by Lord Halifax and another friend.
Lord RAVENS WORTH pronounced the amendment
unparliamentary and self-contradictory. True, the noble
earl did not venture to oppose the second reading; but if
his resolutions were carried it would affix such a stigma to
the bill that the measure could hardly bo persevered with
further. Commenting on the state of things which had
constituted the necessity for the bill, Lord Ravensworth
frankly confessed that in his judgment it was idle to expect
to satisfy the agitation ty feeble and half-measures. By
making a wise and liberal concession now, therefore, he
thought they might enlist sufficient popular support on be-
half of the institutions of the country as would enable them
to resist the demands which no doubt would ag.tia be raised
for an extension of the privileges conferred by the bill.
The Earl of MORLEY had no faith in the personal pay-
ment of rates as a guarantee of the fitness of the elector, or
as a barrier against further democratic demands. The
thing that struck him as being most strange and irrecon-
cilable was the fact that a Conservative Government had
brought in the measure.
Lord STRATFORD DE REDCLIFFE, regarding the
amendment as inopportune and unnecessary, could not
support it. The necessity for reform, however, he consi-
dered as having been artificially created, and he thought it
might have been overcome without awakening the giant
democracy.
The Duke of RUTLAND was of opinion that Ministers
would have done well had they postponed legislation on
this subject until that of the trades unions had been settled.
So far as the agitation was concerned he looked upon it as
hollow and fictitious ; but from the first he felt that house-
hold suffrage must be arrived at, whilst regretting the
abandonment of the restrictions in the original scheme
of the Government. - _ _

The Earl of CAMPERDOWN taunted Ministers with
inconsistency in their treatment of the luestion, and do-
clared that it was to their own suprise that they had
drifted into household suffrage. now, therefore, their bill
could bo regarded as a Conservative triumph he was at an
utter loss to understand.
The Earl of CARNARVON had objected to the bill of the
ate Government because it was based upon incomplete
and insufficient information, and was likely to swamp the
intelligence, independence, and property of the country.
Yet they were now invited to pass a much larger measure
upon absolutely no information at all. The very principle
of the bill was unsound and illusory, and the only result
would be to disfranchise directly and indirectly the edu-
cated classes. They might regret it hereafter, but it
would then be too late, for they would discover that they
had taken an irrevocable step. Whilst saying this the
noble earl made the admission that he had always felt the
working classes had been inadequately represented, but
the correction of that state of things was a different mat-
ter from transferring the whole power of Parliament to
them. Finally, Lord Carnaruon strongly censured the
conduct of the Government during the passage of the bill
through the Commons. They had evidently entered on a
race of concession with their political opponents, and the
result could only be fatal to the Constitution.
Earl BEAUCHAMP defended the Government in ft
spirited speech, and said that he should have been glad
so far as the county constituencies were concerned if the
bill went further even than it did.

Earl GRANVILLE, in sarcastic tones, congratulated
Lord Beauchamp and his friends on their groat success in
having suppressed and concealed for so long a time their
burning desire for a household suffrage. He warned them,
however, that they would soon lose their character as
ardent reformers if they once condescended to adopt the
language as well as the arguments of that great reactionary
personage, Mr. Bright. Twitting the subordinate members
of the Cabinet in both houses with their reticence on the
Ministerial proposal, he remarko 1 that this, however, was
not a matter to be wondered at, seeing the humiliations to
which those who ventured to express their views bad had
to submit at the hands of the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Criticising the speech of Lord Derby, in moving the second
reading of the bill, the noble earl said it only went to con-
firm the truth of the story which had currency, that the
chief argument used by the Premier in inducing his party
to support the bill was, "See ! how we've dished the
Whigs!" With respect to the bill itself he did not share
in the apprehensions with which some noble lords regarded
it. On the contrary, he believed that the extension of the
franchise proposed would greatly strengthen the Consti-
tution. Ho, therefore, gave that part of the measure his
cordial support, but he could not say the same of the re-
distribution scheme, which he expected would not outlive
the next two or three years.
The Duke of MARLBOROUGH -vindicated the course
pursued by the Government on the ground that they had
only the choice of accepting, as they had pledged them-
selves to do, the decision of the House of Commons, or of
incurring the risk of not passing any measure cf reform,
and so plunging the country into confusion. He argued
that they had acted patriotically and consistently with
their promises, and they could afford to bear the taunts
which had been flung in their teeth, believing that their
conduct would receive the public approval.
On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, the de-
bate was then adjourned until this day.
Some bills were advanced a stage, and the house then
adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-LAST EVENING.
The SPELLER took the chair at 4 o'clock.
HOSTILITIES IN CRETE.

Mr. MILL asked the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs whether he would undertake that, unless in the
event of a complete cessation of hostilities in Crete, Sir
William Wiseman would not proceed to Turkey or take
up his appointment until the house had had an opportunity
of expressing an opinion on the subject ?
Lord STANLEY said he had no objection to give the
undertaking asked for. (Hear, hear.)
THE POOR LAW BILL.

Mr. H. LEWIS asked the Secretary to the Poor Law
Board whether, considering the advanced period of the
session, it wits his intention to proceed with those clauses
in the Poor Law Bill which wore likely to give rise to pro-
tracted discussion. _ _

Mr. SCIATER-BOOTH said ho proposed to omit from
the bill all the clauses that were likely to Mid to pro-
tracted debate.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE,

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there
were 51 Government bills standing on the paper, and such
a circumstance at the present advanced period of the ses-
sion must necessarily load to the postponement of some of
them until a future session. The Government, therefore,
proposed to give up for the present session the Murder
Law Amendment Bill, Writs Registration (Scot-
land) Bill, Tenants Improvement (Ireland) Bill,
Land Improvement and Leasing (Ireland) Bill,
Sea Fisheries Bill, Admiralty Jurisdiction Bill, Intestate
Widows and Children Bill, Office of Judge of the Admi-
ralty Court, and Patent Juries (Ireland) Bills. There
would thus remain 41 bills, of which 11 had come down
. -
from the Lords. Those he did not intend proceeding with
until some of the other bills had boon considered. To-
night the second reading of the Scotch Reform Bill and
the Meetings in the Rayal Parks Bill would be taken.
To-morrow the house would meet at 12 to consider the
Tornado case and the Citizens D wellings Bill. On Thursday
the remaining military and naval estimates would be con-
sidered, and on the following Monday the vote for the Bri-
tish Museum would be brought forward. On Friday the
vote for tho packet service would be taken.
REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE (SCOTLAND)

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