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VCDIS
centractea Dy Jae rIITICe since 2795

Debts, if there were aoy, as theztthid" been ad..
vetted to, might be sari, ac it would be highly
.honourable to His Highness to, wish to;
discharge, but they tv,:re Debts which it was imps-.
Bible for that House to examine ; it %Vac, indeed,
consonant to their feelings to apprOve, app lauti„and,
even admire His Royal Higl!pe.-ss's -gracious-01r.!
. pose of discharging them; but it was impossible'
for them, consistently with their public duty; to
take notice of them in that Hamel! it Watild be 4is.
graceful to the House, and, he had almost said, dis„.
graceful to ,that' personage himself top
have it entered 'on the journals of the House,
---41 third proceeding for the payment of hrs•debts.;
As to • the ;Debt due ',the Landgraye of Hesse;
Cassel, there was no
,Scheciple of it, but there was
an account of the adual amount of the whole; there;
was no detail, but it Was-comprizedin the gross.---;
'Afttev ions ,to the stir of September a 795, it was men-
tioned that although the.
account delivered into .Par-
liament, after a very minute and long investigation,
stated the amount of the Debts of His Royal
. Highnesicao be 4,20,0°01-but hisAight Honour-
able Friend, (he then-Ghancellot of the Exchequer,
in order to alver possible'thistake4,-,proposed a Vote
of 650,0001. ; of this the Debt alluded to by the
I:Honourable Gentleman imde; a ix 'ter; and thi difii-
,,,colty of Discharging that Debt
,was such, that they
were obliged to apply what was intended to, be ap.
propriated to it,, to the discharge of'tither )).ebts
which-tiiiilardifiiculties did not attach ; in c ,n.
..r,"Ri‘ence of tithiph, as much -as had -been thus liqui
gated of other Debts His Royal lii#llness.lll4,..l re.
centry taken of this upon 'alter. C.)mmuni.
-cation. with his Law AdVbiers. Such was the cOni.
Ailloicatiooire hati,received from
see. post..Gt.liticAn;sti to. think that
thtsl;),,,ebt.veas c,ltiprei;cll;ied inthe,soss as 11e,
hiaitatik brit . in that respeti the ileman
was in error..----There7.Was an.6lll,9rimint adverted to ,
this night, anti On a fbriner"occasion, 'and to
which he referrql wit extreme pain ; he meant
;that• WhiCh referred to the Revenues of the Outehy
!of Cornwall ; and one 'Hik;Gentlerrian had said,
that the 111-ince of Wales litre. pot bge.n aq.:bur.
den to the Lie knew that ibis question
rogetccoy)4,,kie })tit in
-.split fiopNe in :the invidious
Ave: w4a_s__capiiblp ; Gent Lenten said,
that this was an applications :not to the liberality
nt Ake: j9stice, of Ake- flouse, and that • His Royal
igtiF,ss.lllld triage gjeat sacrifice in this case,
for that it he had Rr,ockeded iu hij claim, the result
would h.ve peep t9,.e9441e lii, Royal Highntsa to
pay all his Debts, and that he ought to he in 4 better
flY'ktiP4 4kC tulip. Eyel4.4qft' hY (114' Aikl
has *off fore I):4eliwnent 'Npvy, with respet‘ii
the Right tvitieli jia been so oinch talked of, he
ISIB-pf4:bg-Iltesuoiottions as to e*press, nor so arro.
&a,P.4s !P., RAY lie hdd formed an .opinion ; it was a
point on which ht: lift not think hitmtl.capAble 4-
Gsfortitlitilteigmlar;:efrfe pcet
whose understandini.and chara4ler
pinion. An lion. and LearnA
tile highest respea, accuracy of ex-
ressilyri lit iidinired (the Sgt. t C 11'6 R GsNiam,),
hod spoken upon tile 'cinestiOn as a point in
there
idera riot). ere would tie no .slifference of opinion after lull
e
Wow lie would venture to `,say, that
ills s
I„,arned was nu; right if he imagined
there was no difrence of opinion : the case r%•V a g so
far otherwke, that the Noble and Learned Lord
who is at the Bead, of the Law in England at
moment, .had expressed an opinion that tvas unfit-
vnurable to ilte claini of Right asserted on the part
of•HiOttlal IlikopSs. era glit entertain some
doubts upon the qqestion, hilt certain it ions, he had
never expresspd'apy opinion in biota of the claim
of Right on the patt of His loyal Higln,eps. With
regard to the Not)le atid Learned Lord who wi!siit tile;
hoaci of the Law its Ireland, lie liad never said there
was no di:Teier.ce of opinion upon that question, 'nor.
LI lie ever ;4%1/I.:red or expressed any opinion in
vont- of this l'etitiiin of 'Right. He was not stating
what was the opinion of that Noble Lord, but as ire
had never expressed that opinion, it was' a 14fle too
ouilt to sa there Was an unanimity of opinion
among the tAst learned tpen upon chi, very, intri,:ate
question of. LAty, for that the two great anti the
highest Law' Authorities in 'His I\l;T:sty's
9ioos were eXFp?tiopi to that statement of untmi-
, mitk'; the one, 41tbat!iih he might entertain tionbcs,
1.14 nvertheletis expressed an inclinatiOn of opinion,
anTthat against the vlitlity of the Claim, and the '
other had'expresscd, no opinion upon the question ;
he sratel this' to sbety, that the question was very
far trolls being iffee..from do* ; Fir these
.reasons
he cpul,d.haye wished, that gepOcineyi wgtild have.
th. 0414 it pcoper.to ahstain from topics whielt Must
be; 401Risr4nt to the tionse, ; to his own 'leLlings
thcy were esitainly painful, nor,could it be agreea-
ble either,to fliti,'Maiesty, or to His Royal
rliss, that such points should be tmde&ivies of tli
cussion in that House. fie could only saT for himself,
;that had there been no proceeding' whatever (in the
subjeft-matter, of the Petition pr. Right, if he had
newer heard of it, -he should have been of Opinion,
thAt the. Prince of 'Wales, under all rn the Circustan.
ces of thepnent moMent,,ought to have had that
which had been lately voted, to the use of His Royal.
'flip hneSs; 'He took no Relit whatever to himself,.
for riot being of the Party to the compromise which
had been so often mentioned upon thus
He then observed, that, the statement of cite
nourable Geotleman
_opposite to' him was cant:it :
'That the whole amount of the Revenue of the
D'UtellyOleornwall was 23+,090, during the ini',
notity Ofliis Royal Hight-lets', and that &ring the-
lastrivelve,years, there rlsad been .advanced by His
Majesty, out of, the Civil List, 180,0001. That
Wird.wis; as an Hotiourabla Gentleman opposite
JultistAT,lo‘44,with an: accuritte xecollec.: '
tion had stated, a chameof 32,0001. for an advake
nut arthe Civil List, jointly to the. Prince of
Wrile.,i,.AO4' the , D'OriA , of York, equally divided,
and therehare a moiety m w
of that sutra to the ac.:
t tit qt. col' klia Roy4l Highpfstst the Prince .of Wales
so' that. the, whole of: the money expended by His
Nlaje4ty, and advanced out Of the Civil List, dun-
"the• minority Of the Prince of. Wales, was
'f he sum. of 5:oopl. 4tiog allowe4*r
the firit nine years, Which was th,e, sum now allow.
0 for the maintenance, of thliPtiPts of
site Whole, charge bping.2:59,900f. ex;:etd.
irg the receipts of the,Piltcby of Corioy4! (,11604

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nt, lie MoOttid MR, W
it was probable that thole whongreed 'with him in
•onposing thisAotion;--a measure of inquiry, did so,
-.froin.any apprehension of the result f No,!t hey -were
•-dispiisOd!to it from :the; most honourable motives,
:aritt•so was His Majesty himself 'in 'making his
„gracious -cOminunication to ;t iia t House, namely,
from a motive of ;OrOitting the Atiscussion'of a topic
:-.l44licitnaterally produced painful sensations;---He had
_stated enough; hepreituned,:to satisfyihe House there
was no ground :of ;apprehension of the result of the
proposed inquiry to .occasion the resistance to it,
'for- if His Royal Highness was emitled to the pro_
ceeds.of the Dimity:of Cornwall, and that had been
sufficient, Illere would. not have. been . any. provision
.for'llim out of the Civil :-List, which was to
Itim from the year t 773 to 1783. From 1-83 down
to 17.87, His Majesty • advanced on account .6f - the!
-Prince, out of the Ciiiil List, at -the rate of so,000l.;;
a-year, and :from that period-down to the present,
His Majesty advanced out of the Civil-List, 60;0001.1
,amounting in all to something less than'l,6oo,oool..
:was' compelled also -to :state, that the money
which had been-deduffed from that sum, which had
leen once.v otett to the Primed Wales to support his ,
rank, .and-'applied to the -pay(iient of his llebts,
amounted-to litoo,ooQl. principal and interest. Under
titsecircunissancevit.was .ttw much to 'have it insi.
ruined, .orkliarged on Ministers, or Parliament, that
there bad been withheld from His Royal 1-lighriess
that'which he'clearly ought to have,. -and that he •
had made sacrifices to are Public. The argument
in support of the Motion that appeared to him
to haVe the 'greatest weight was this, that the
i-ohliC interest was recognized in the public dignity
of the Prince of Wales.—He admitted that -to be a
grave-consideration ;.and yet there was another' still
more sp ; and it was of less importance to the
'honour 61 the Prince himself, as well as to all other
intervls, 'that there should be a delay in the Prince's
to:Paling his own external dignity) .than that the
Partiainent should for-Nit-its consistency, in retog-
rti zing Alciits of which they had no knowledge,
and which they *ere.' bound to presume, had
-.aittual, since they could, ,not: have any legal
estistencees•-for if: tare. account given in the year
4-74 s was.. accurate, His Royal Highness could
have no .Debts. He' was, therefore, support•
ing the .consistency of Parliament, in resistiok a
proceeding by. Whieli.Parliameat would recognize
Debts, which, by its own previous proceedings, it
could'not suppose to exist. But lie was periedly
convinced,. afier what was past, that on the part of
His Royal Highness there would be no encourage-
ment held out, to support this Motion by those-who
u!ete in the confidence of that illustrious Prince.
He .had stated, that in every Bart of the conduit of
Government, the most entire respedi was shewn to
His Royal Highness. Every proposition made to)•
and adopted by that House, had iseeri previously sub.
mittedice And'had been approved of by His,Royal
Highness, and therefore he trusted that those who
were most in the confidcoce of His Royal Highness,
were well satisfied, as the Prince himself was, with
the proceedings which 'had taken plaCe already,
aod would .concur .with hint in resisting a proposi,.
tion, the. (skied of whieti was to obtain more, and
• therefore he could not believe it passible-that they
shouhl support this motion. He was unwilling to
trespass further on the patience of the House, eSpe.
cially as he ,perciived other Gentlemen were de..
4irous ll:tering their sentiments. He should
only ,was sure that .in resisting this motion,
which was eeitlier more nor less than an;lnquiry
into: the Debts of the Prtr ce of Wales, which,
without a.xight understanding _.of all the -circum-
stancesrsvoulti be indelicate in the extreme, he was
dischargiog‘a diity *Welt ite.oweti to Majesty,
ts4ttie- Prince,. to the House, and to the Public.

Mr. FOX said, that among all the objenions
which had le eh hroeght against- thii Motion, the
one which al‘peared to him the Mint extraordinary
was, that it was an indiretl Motion. It appeared
to, him one of the most direa and plain that ever
was toadF,, and tine that resulted naturallk iind. ne-
cissa6fy from the docntneots before the Rouse. He
was also not ;little surprised at some of the doubts
which.ltad. been thrown out by the Right Hon.
Gentleman who spoke last, particularly with resped
~ro that gte.tt and : futulatuenial - principle. of 'that
House, that no money could• be granted without a
. recommendation from the, Throne. In the first
r plAee, this.was not an application for money ; but
surely the House must be aware that this principle,
like many others, was liable to many exceptions,
because the House did frequently, 'by means of Ad.
dress, and in other . ways, make grants of money
without recommendations from the Crown. ant
without haVing recourse to that argument, it- seemed
Initial ft., t the Message from the Crown completely
warranted the mode of proceeding which was now
proposed.---The purport of
,the Message, was, that
the House , should .. adopt such measures 24' 2p.
peared to -them proper to promote the cornfOrt, and
support the dignity of the Prince- of Wales. . The
tenaeney of this Motion then was evidently to fol.
low the diretions, and comply ivith the spirit of that
::'Message, :because its object was to know whatmea.
.sures were necessary to olnpote the comfort, and sup.
:port the dignity of the Prince of Wales. He concUr.
redin most of the arguments advanced by the lion.
Gentlern9 behind him ; -India that Gentleman's
:arguments were so strong, that, he was:surprised that
no answer had'been attempted to be made to them.
Bur thoggh he agreed with: that Gentleman in most
fp: his propositions, he did not go quite so far as he
ilid..ip Stlwe points. If, after an Inquiry had been
nstituted, it should appear that the obstacles- to the
rince resuttaing„ his spleridare Crete of a- n'tture
,
Such as the foreign debt which had been alluded to,
he certainly should concur in any -- proposition
oe rernovieg it. With regard - to the deduaion
of. ten per cent. he thought also, - that itl that
vas one of the obstacles, it ought to-be removed-4
hitt if they:consisted of Debts contratleet since 1795,
:6e certainly was -Of opinion that the Houee was not
$0111;t1 to remove them. The Rightilion. -Gentle..
man had stated, that, the account giren• of the-
.,
Prince's-1)61s in 1795 w-els not mitred,- at the same
'time he contended, that it mast not .--be. considered
its on imtt.lerled statement ; .tete they -:must be men
t)t torn) indeed if they could_ listen to that kind-Of
argument, vu. that:they; must it, point -..0t- forhi
,co, sitler that account 'as .corred, which they knew'

to say that no 103ife was to ikatt:iched to any quor:
ter, in consequen6e tnearred account havii;g
been laid before the House OfCOnnitons; but that it
was incorrectcould not fie .dispoted, arid it Must he
• argued upon .as sdeit,."With reSpeet to the qaestiari
abOut the dech2(tion of to per Cent. he would not
gti into any discossion upon it. An Hon. Member
had stated the case of one of 'the Prince's Tnities;
:men, and he had no- doubt that Many others
Were in -similar situations.; but that ryas a sub.
left that,. in his opinion, ought to be left to
the consideration of His Royal flightless: If they
went into a tominittee, and the Prince thought
proper to make any commtihication num the sub.:
je6t, it wauld'be then time enuugh lOr the House id
take it into consideration. With resped to any
other debts,..hchad. no reason to suppose that any
had been contraeled since the year 1795. The dis.
eussion upon this stihjea had involved the question
of the Revenues of the Patchy of Cornwall, and
the Right Hon. Gentleman had said, that conside4
able donbts existed among reat Law Aulh.rilic:s
With regard to the Prinee's Claims ; :that upon such
a subject there should be some doubts was not an°.
fishing, but it appeared, even from the Right Hort.
Gentleman's statement, that the.preponderance of
legal opioions was in favour, of the 'Pr
Speaking,"however, as,a Conitn Man, iufa ~o(:as t
Lawyer, that His Wriciestiy could not be inivieti to
come into a 'Court of justice; and say in as -5 A• e r to
the Prince's Claim, is trite that I r'sceivcd the
-Revenues of the Dutchy of Cornwall, I then I
educated the rrince of Wales hand;oMely, and gave
him the same Masters that I 'gaye toner
Sons, and therefore I roust be paid 'for
Sikh aplea, lie was convinced, could neyer be made.
It was too much to say That the Prince's cLihr. had
.been abandoned, because he could make nothing of
it. He :wished to ask whether the suit had not
made 'sonic progress, and whether a wish had nor
°been expressed to HiS Royal Highness, that the
proceedings sly,uld be (he would t.iot .itopped.,
but) delayed ? So far from considering that there
Was any thing improper in the Leal Investigation
of Oat-Question, he
_should, if he -had been an att
viset.of the ,Prince, say, that it would be better
that the Question 'shOuld be 2-4nicably discussed in
A legal way. He now came to what,had -been saia
About,the necessity of the Prince living in the spleO.
dor doe to his rank ; he was one of 'those who did
nat think that , the dignity of a Prince or i'Vloriatch
depended altoget her upon the numtier of Lords that
hehadin attetni.ince, but still that kind of stare
was'fat to he considered as nothing, for, though the'
succession was hereditary, yet rirtues were not; and
hoWever convinced the House might be ot4the virtues
of the present Sovereign and the Heir Alsireot, yet
they could not be sure that inluture times Princes
might possess the same virtues; and thetefore a pro.
per provision ought to be made to supplit the dig-
nity .of persons in such exalted situations. in every
point of view, hOwevez, in which he eituld consider
this question, he could see no possible reason Why
an inquiry slvoidd not take place. It upon investi.
gation it should appear char a large stun was ne.
cessary to remove the ; incumbrances Upon the
Prince of Wales, wimp! he should' not agree to it;
if a small sum would he Suficient, he thought the
House ought to grant It. Among the Prince's
debts thete was one that he thought deserved some
consideration, and that was, the •suln!: xhieh had
been laid out upon Carleton.H.nse.' His Ma.Psty.
bad lent tile Prince that house for a. resiticoce, but'
it-was in such a state that it was absolutely neces.
sary to expend a very large sure upon it, tninake it
a fit residence for His Royal Highness ; and it
should also be recolleeted that the Prince had poly
ao,opol. given to him as tv-. kind of outfit in
life, so that it was dlivious that he must
evitably get considerably in delit. \Viol re.
gar& to. the debts of the Civil List, they had
been frequently paid, viz. in 1769,
,in T 777,
anJ in 1782: there was an arringement in 1766,'
and in 0302„ they were completely paid off, and
upqn no other ground- than the great inmate in an'
the articles. or life. This he thought was aha
modz of proceeding, because if you increased the
t.1c0m4.-s of Princes when the price or the articles of
life- were dear, they would find it very diffi.Mt to'
lower them rc herr the prices fell, It had- always'
been considered as bad policy (he meant nothing
disrespectful in the observation) to raise the wages
-of servants when provisions were dear, because it
was hardly ever possible to reduce them when pro.
visions were cheap. He wished again to repeat,
that the whole effed of this:Motion was tn go into.
an inquiry ; the House by assenting to it would not'
pledge itself to any payment unless they saw the
'most satisfactory: easons: if upon 'the whole the
objeia of this Motion could be accomplished without
:any great, inconvenience to the Public—lf Ihe
Prince COUI4I be placed in a situation in which her
had fever yet been placed, viz. put in possession
'of .a ,free, unshackled Ineorne, he should- think that
,a most desirable object had been obtained. At all
events, .whatever the deeiiign -of the Hnosc might.
be, the CharAder of- the Prince of Wales was not
implicated, because it was brought forward without
his knowledge, and it was impossible to assert that
the Prince had made any application to that House,
Since the Arrangement of his, affiiirs in 1795. tic
concluded by declaring that he would vote lot tits
Original Motion.
, in
ex ;7')l7ja ne aCt iluinAN said,L'E
tLlitt°h•ge bac9rdlibite never aCs•;,lle ['Et that'R t
he
Prince had given up his claim, because he could. not
Maintain it; on the c,mt:-.ary, he believed that His
RoyaMighness, was pertc,:tly ci)ns limed of-the kis.,
rice of his claim.

Mr.
FO N said, he had not attributed such lan_
goage to the Right lion. Gentleman ; he itcrely
meant that such an inference znignt be drawn from
his language.
Sir WATltitt, WILLIAM,; Wyitrit supported the
original Motion,

Lord ST...INLAY noticed a diffcrtncebetwten His
Majesty% late Metwage, and those 'of 174 ai4d
4795•
Tice Cworucti,ot of the ,EX es eir ea explained.

Mr. ERSKINE explained at SOMIC length. Ile
on.lerstooll, that the preporiderAnce of legal opirlion,
was in faviwr of the Prinve's Ct irt7s to the kev,:.
nne3 of the Dutchy of Cornwall 4rillgchis ininnri.
ty. ,his feelings on the aubjed were, be sail, pre.

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cloudy pleased to recommend to the House to take
such measures, as they should deem to be necessary
and expedient, for the purpose of restoring the
Prince of Wales to his state and dignity. The
House had proposed a sum, which, on investiga-
tion, turr-1 out to be inadequate to the proposed
()Nett. The advocates of the Motion of the Hon.
Gentleman, (Mr. CALCRAFT,) proposed another
sum, which would be adequate to the intended pur-
pose. He wished to support the splendor and dig-
nity of the Prince of Wales.
Mr. CANNING said, that in voting for the Ori-
gistal Motion, he should not consider himself pledg-
ed to agree to the future recommendation of the
Committee ; that agreement or disagreement would
depend upon circumstances. Upon this question he
found the House in this situation. He could not
consider this as an 'application from the Prince of
Wales ; he considered His Royal Highness as pas.
sive in the question. He was called ,upon, how-
ever, to vote' upon the question, and he must
take it as he found it. The House had proposed a
certain sum, to enable the Prince of Wales to resume
his state and dignity ; that sum was found insuffici-
ent for the desired objets. What was the situation
of the House ? They were called upon, either to
give up the object, or to enlarge the sum. He wish-
cd to know what sum was necessary for the pro.
posed purpose, in order that he might know whe-
ther the object to be attained was worth the sum to
be given for it ? Upon this question he could not
decide, till it was ascertained what sum was ac-
tually necessary, and therefore he should vote for
the Committee.

Mr. FOLLEE. explained.
Mr. GoLOING supported the previous question.
Mr. SHERIDAN said, that after the manner in
whiCh the Motion of his Hon. Friend (Mr. CAL.
CRAFT) had been met, he must suppose that there
was in reality little opposition to it ; and indeed he
had `observed so little difference of opinion upon the
subject, that he' deprecated any hostile division
upon this question. • From the indisposition of Gen.
ttemen on the other side to address the House, he
could not but think that they wished the eriginal
Motion to be carried, • and particularly, because he
could not but think that the Right Hon. Gentleman
(the CHANCELLOR. Of the EXCHEQUER,) must wish
to give full effed to His Majesty's Message.
With. resped to the Prince's disposition upon the
subjeEl, they ought to consider what was fit for the
Prince, and not 'exadly what he wished. Was it
)iouourable to the Prince to believe- that His Royal
Highness was indifferent as to the resumption of
that splendor and dignity which he owed to the
Country ? What was the question ? The Right Hon.
Gent. (the CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER) had
said he lamented that circumstances should prevent
the Prince of Wales from immediately resuming his
state and dignity—circumstances which, were they
known, would do the highest honour to His Royal
Highness's feelings. Why should not the House
know those circumstances as well as the Right Hon.
Gentleman? The opposition to the motion of his
Hon. Friend seemed merely to turn upon points of
form; he did not doubt that his Hun. Friend would
have nu objedion to change the'shape of his motion
so as to meet those objedions. , An Hon. Gent.
(Mr. fouteseorte) had regretted that the Prince of
Wales aboaid have made any compromise of his
claims ; he (Mr. So ERIDAN) did not regret it'; he
thought the Prince's Law Officers had advised him
well in advising him to make that compromise, as
there must have been a great indelicacy in the mode in
which those claims must have been prosecuted, and the
manner in which the setoff against them must have
been required. The Hon. Gent. (Mr. JOHNSTONE)
had said, that in r"eoe there were a great many Jaco.
hits, and therefore the resumption of the state and
dignity of the Piince of Wales was more necessary
at that period than at the present. According to
this argument, the greater site number of Jacobins,
the greater degree of state and splendor was requi.
site fur the branches of the Royal Family. But God
forbid, that the Jacobins should be the principal
supporters of the Monarchy. Two owls once flis.
coursing in the ruins of an old tower, ardently pray.
ed for the continuance of the reign of a Prince, who,
desolated the country, because they derived a ma.
terial advantage from it ; so, if the argument of the
Hon. Gentleman were to prevail, the Royal Family
might say, God send plenty of Jacobins, for
then we shall enjoy more splendor and greater dig,
nity. An Hon. Baronet (Sir Rome BUXTON,)
seemed to think, that there was rip necessity for any
splendor to be attached to the Prince of Wales, but
that his virtues were sufficient. That splendor
ought to be necessarily attached to Monarchy there
could be no doubt ; but if the argument of the Hon.
Baronet was to be applied to the Prince of Wales, it
etught to be applied to all ; for instance, the
Sr emcee, if it was discovered that splendor was on.
inscesAry for the branches of the Royal Family, it
might next be discovered that a house at the public
expense was unnecessary, for the Speaker to give his
hospitable dinners in ; that a state coach to gonta to
St. James's was useless, and that the SeEAKER might
walk up to St. James's wrapped up in his virtues
and a warm surtout : it might next be discovered
that there was no necessity for any shew or parade.
for the Judges going the Circuits, and the Chief
Justice might be sent down in the Mail Coach to
hod the Assizes. It was needless to pursue the
argument further ; every one must be convinced
that State and Splendor were necessary appendages
to the Monarchy, and to the Officers of Govern.
merit. It was acknowledged that there were
pediments which would prevent the rrince of
\Vales from 'immediately teaming that State and
fatplentlor which was wished ; for those impediments,
it wee acknowledged, arose from circumstances
which did His Royal Highness. the highest honour ;
it was therefore, in his opinion, necessary that the
House should 191 ow what those circumstances were
which would be obtained by granting the Motion
of his Hon. 'Friend.
Lord HAWKESIMRY said, he should not have
ellen had it not been for the construction put by the
non. Gentleman (Mr. SeethtsaaN), on the silence
of gentlemen on this side of she House, who, as
the fad was, rather chose to give ,;;,lent votes upon
questioo, considering that it Led been auffi.
ciendy discussed by zithers. lo oppppill the
original Motion, they were • eduated by no, other
nafeive thee that of duty to their King end the

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upon the subject, it was principally as to the,
means. The Honourable Gentleman who had
last spoken, as well as several other Honourable
Gentlemen, seemed to have mistaken the tendency
of His Majesty's Message ; he did not see in the
terms or the sense of it, any thing which held out
an idea of the Prince of Wales immediately resuming
his Stare and Dignity ; the objett of the Message
was, a Provision for the comfort and dignity of the.
Prince of Wales, and provisicin had been pro-
posed accordingly, for the purpose of increasing that
comfort and dignity without an immediate re.
sumption of His Royal Highness's State and Dignity
being in contemplation. In 1795, a considerable
difference of opinion prevailed upon, the subject,
but it was then thought proper not to adopt any
measure for the immediate payment of the Debts of
the Prince of Wales. His Right Honourable Friend,
the then Chancellor of the Exchequer proposed an
increase of the Income of His Royal Highness, and
an appropriation of 73,0001. per annum for the
payment of the Prince's Debts. His Right Hon.
Friend (the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER) had
a few nights since proposed to restore His Royal
Highness to the full use of his Income. As to the
question respecting His Royal Highness's immediate
resumption of his state and dignity, there were ini-
pediments which prevented it ; those impediments
were stated to be certain debts, which the Prince of -
Wales conceived himself bound in honour to pay,
and His Royal Highness would not resume
his state till those debts were liquidated.—As
to His Royal Highness's feelings, he could say
nothing, but the question was, could the House,
after the Mt of 1795, take cognizance of any fur-
ther Debts of the Prince of 'Wales ? Some of them
might be of such a nature, that it would be neither
proper nor right for the House to take cognizance
of them. He thought that consistently, the House
could open no new Account of the Debts of the
Prince of Wales. It would be unjust to press His
Royal Highness to resume his splendor until he had
discharged those Debts of Honour, nor ought he to
be called upon to do it. The House had proposed
to give him the full use of his Income, which would
enable him to discharge those Debts four years
sooner than he otherwise could have done.—
In doing this, he thought they had acted con-
formably to their duty, consistently with the
AEI of 1795, and in a manner which would be cre.
ditable to the illustrious Personage alluded to. He
objeeted to the motion for the appointment of a Se.
left Committee to inquire into the causes which
prevented the immediate resumption of the state
and splendor of the Prince of Wales, they did His
Royal Highness the highest honour ; yet many of
them might be found to be of a private nature,
which it would be indelicate and. improper to in.
quire into. Under these circumstances he should
support the Previous Question.
Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY supported the original
motion, reserving himself as to his future opinion.
Mr. W. Shim' also supported the original mo-
tion.

Lord C ASTLEREAGH supported the previous
question, observing, that a Select Committee, if ap.
pointed for the purpose specified, must examine into
circumstances which it would be improper to bring
into discussion, and.that no useful cu:wlusion could
be drawn from the labours of a Committee comiti.
tuted for such a purpose.
After a few words from Colonel VEREKER,
which we could not distinctly hear, the Hawse
divided :

For the Previous Question - 184
Against it - - . - 139

Majority against the Original Motion 45
On Strangers being re-admitted, we found the
House in a Committee of Supply, in which
Mr. CORBY moved for a Grant of 356,0001.
to discharge Irish Treasury Bills outstanding—
which was agreed to, and the House having resurn-
ed, the Revert was ordered to be received, and the
Committee to sit again on Monday. .

Mr. N. VA NS ITTART moved for several Accounts
of Arrears and Balances in the hands of Officers of
the Revenue, which were severally ordered.

ELECTION PETITIONS.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he had given notice of a Motion for this day,
respelling Election Petitions, but in consequence of
the thinness of the House at that moment, he should
postpone his Motion, or rather several Motions, to
Monday, when he intended to move to defer the
consideration of the several Eleetion Petitions be.
fore the House, without however interfering with
those which stood for next week.

Adjourned at half past ten o'clock till Monday.