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THE ROYAL BRITISH BANK (This Day;

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COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH, GUILDHALL.
(Sitting at Nisi Priue, before Lord Campbell and a
Special Jury.)
THE QUEEN V. BROWN AND OTHERS,
FOURTH DAT.
The trial of the information against the directors and
manages' of the Royal British Bank for conspiring by
false pretences to defraud the shareholders and cue-
timers and the public, was this day resumed.
The same counsel appeared as before.
Mr. Paddipon's examination was resumed. A letter
from Cameron to Brown, dated Nov. 26, 1855, was put
in and read. It detailed the state of Mr. Brown's
account up to that period, and asking for a liquidation
of the balance. It is stated that previous to Mr.
Cameron's departure for Scotland, in January, 1855, the
amount was 23,905/. 57. 3d., which, on his return in
May had been increased to 74,5391. Is., owing to cer-
tain amounts having been transferred from Mr. Watton's
account to Mr. Brown's, and that at the date of the letter
it amounted to 77,6981. 7s. 2d. Mr. Cameron in that letter
called upon Mr. Brown to provide additional security
and take means to liquidate the debt. In December
following, Mr. Brown wrote to Mr. Cameron, inclosing
him a draft for 107/. odd to be planed to his credit. In
October, Mr. Cameron wrote a letter to Brown, urging
the necessity of insuring and registering the ships; and
Mr. Brown's reply, on which was a memorandum in
Cameron's handwriting, that the matter had been
arranged. Oa the 20th of November, 1855, Mr. Owen
gave notice of a motion for tbe appointment of a committee
to investigate the convertible securities, which was
seconded by Mr. L. N. Valiant ; at a subse-
quent meeting, held on the 4th of December, when
the defendants were present: Mr. L. N. Valiant
seconded the motion, and Mr. Esdaile, Mr. Stapleton,
Mr. M'Cloud, and the general manager, were appointed
the committee. Oa 17th December a meeting of the
committee was held, when Mr. Stapleton, Mr. M'Cloud,
and the general manager were present. Mr. Brown's
securities were examined. A valuation of them was
made in a tabular form, which was prodaoed. He
believed the pencil marks on them were upon them when
they were presented to the committee. Some of them
were in Mr. Cameron's handwriting and others Mr,
Walton.
Mr. Huddleston proposed to read the valuations of
the ships held as security by the bank.
Lord Campbell—Whose valuation is it ? -
Mr. Paddison said he always understood it was Mr.
Walton'e.
Mr. Huddleston then read the valuation, Mr. Paddi-
son examining the original. The ship Hornet was 1.287
tons, and was purchased in July, 1854, for 18,350/.
There was expended on her 3,5001.—t0ta1, 21,8501., and
the present value was entered in pencil 15,0001, and
again 18,000/, The Magdalena was 870 tons. She was
purchased in May, 1853 ; cost, 4,750/. ; there was
expended on her 3,500/.—total, 8,200/. ; present value
5,5001. and 8,010/. The witness, in answer to questions,
said that some of the pencil figures, showing a lower
valuation, had been placed on the list since its produc-
tion before the security committee.
Evidence was then called to prove the writing in
pencil was partly Mr. Walton's, governor of the back at
that time.
A Juryman said he saw a mistake of 10,000/. in a
copy of the list produced.
Mr. Atherton said it was a deduction made in the
Court of Bankruptcy relative to vessels in the list not
mortgaged to the bank,
A Juryman—The difference still exists after that
explanation.
Mr. Huddleston then read the; statement. Helen
Lindsay, 544 tens, cost 6,500/., expended on her
1,5001., valuation in pencil 6,000/. and 7,0001.; Hero,
465 tons, cost 4,500/ , expended on her 2,000/., valua-
tion in pencil 4,800/. and 5,500/. ; Ambrosium, 437
tons, cost 6,600/., expended on her 1,0001., valuation in
pencil 5,0001. and 5,5001. ; Ocean Wave, 347 ions, cost
6,6001., expended on her 1,500/., valuation in
pencil 5,0001. and 6,000/. ; Bride, 396 tone, cost
2,700/., expended on her 1,250/., valuation in pencil
figures 2,800/. and 3,2001. ; Wasp, cost 2,500/,, expended
on her 1,4001., valuation in pencil 1,500/. and 1,8001.
Rosy Brown, cost 3,000/., expended on her 1,500/.,
valuation in pencil 1,6001. and 2,200/. ; Caroline Brown,
112 tons, cost 2,0001., expended on her 400/,, valuation
in pencil 1,200/. and 1,700/. ; Young Morgan, 135 tone,
cast 2,100/. expended on her 500/. valuation in
pencil 1,610 '
/. and 2,000/. Madonna, 126 tons, cost
1,100/., expended on her 350/., valuation in pencil first
sold, and in the other 1,450/. Mr. Walton initialled the
whole of the account, which gave a total of cost of the
ships, 82,8504, and the valuation first 52,5001., and the
other 65,8501.
Mr. Paddison was then examined on the freights.
Mr. Linklater was then called to explain the mistake
discovered by a juryman. He said he had not discovered
it before the paper was put in that day. It might have
been brought to his recollection some time since, but he
could not say.
Mr. Paddison was recalled. He stated that on the
111 Th December, 1815, a court was held at which a reso-
lution was adopted stating that whereas Humphrey
Brown, Esq., M.P., was indebted to the bank in a large
sum of money secured to the bank on several ship, and
whereas it appeared to the committee the securities now
held were insufficient, it was neces ary to realise them ;
and whereas Mr. H. Brown had offered to give additional
security by mortgages over real property, and an
assignment on a ship called the Severn, it would
be for the advantage of the bank to sell them
forthwith, and that consequently the broker to
the bank be directed to sell them for the benefit of the
bank as they came into port, and render an account to
the bank. Mr. Brown, on receipt of a copy of this reso-
lution, repudiated this decision on the part of the com-
mittee, remarking that they could not place his affairs
in the hands of other persons without leading to the
most awkward revelations in reference to the bank.
A. very voluminous cirreepondence was then read,
relative to the details of Mr. Brown's account of the
attempts of the bank to realise his securities, of an unin-
teresting character.
At an interview with Brown and Cameron in the pre-
sence of Mr. Paddison, Mr. Brown stated that he had
not received the Hornet's freight. Messrs. Buchanan
land Brown, of Liverpool, bad informed the bank before,
in answer to an inquiry from them, that they had
paid Mr. Brown 7001., the amount of the freight.
After Mr. Brown bad left, Mr. Cameron
said to Mr. Paddison, " how painful it was to find such
a man as Mr. Brown so committing himself to
falsehoods."
A letter of Mr. Brown's, acknowledging the receipt
of 5001. on the Hornet's freight from Messrs. Buchanan
sad Brown, of Liverpool, was put in and read.
Mr. Atherton said—That, my lcrd, is the whole of
Mr. Paddison's proof of Mr. Humphrey Brown's debt.
Several letters were put in on the part of the respec-
tive defendants relative to Mr. Brown's debt, and their
conduct in reference to it.
Mr. L. Winterbottom, of Stroud, an officer of the
Gloucestershire Bank, was called. He stated that in
1850 Humphrey Brown opened a drawing and discount
account with the bank. He was at that time conducting
a silk throwing business at Tewkesbury, Oa two
occasions the bank took mortgages of the ships the Rosy
Brown, the Bride, and the Severn. On the Rosy
Brown they received 9851. ; the Bride, with the freight,
1,715/., and the Severn 1,0211. In December 1854,
the balance against Mr. Brown was 9,554/.
Mr. E. James objected to the reception of that evi-
dence, as showing knowledge of those mortgagee.
Lord Campbell said that if it could not be carried
further it bad better be withdrawn.
The evidence was withdrawn accordingly.
Cross-examined by Mr. Huddleston—The bank ad-
vanced 4,000/. to Mr. Brown in December, 1854 ; out
of that 2,6001. were paid over to the British Bank. The
Gloster Bank held in addition to the ships, mortgages
on several distinct properties, estimated to be worth
17,000/. but they realised lees. In 1851, 1852, and
1853, Mr. Brown was reputed to be rich. He was
member for the borough, a magistrate, and had twice
filled the office of mayor. He was on one occasion a
carrier, and afterwards traffic taker, and furnished re-
ports thereon to the House of Commons.
Re-examined—He knew of no security being given to
the Royal British Bank. All Brown's securities had
been realised, and there were still a balance due to the
bank of 5,000/.
By Mr. Atherton --Mr. Brown was bankrupt in
1831 and 1835.
By Mr. Huddleston—He did not know if the
first was superseded, and that he paid 20s, in the
pound on the latter.
Mr. Wymark deposed that in September, 1855,
he sold the Madonna for 9507., and in May,
1856, he sold the Young Marquis for 1,7651.: he
paid the proceeds over to Mr. Brown. He
was instructed by Mr. Brown and the Glouster
shire Banking Company to sell the Rosy Brown. A
paper was put in on which was written by Mr. Brown,
" say nothing about the sale of Rosy Brown, or certain
parties will want me to pay the proceeds over to them,
H. B."

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—(YESTERDAY.)
The LOUD CHANCELLOR took hie seat at 5 o'clock.

Sir F, Kelly objected to the evidence. It did not bear
on the conspiracy, but rather that Mr. Brown was de-
ceiving his brother directors.
Lord Campbell said be did not see the materiality of
the evidence, and it had better be withdrawn.
The evidence was withdrawn accordingly.
Mr Ridley, ship broker, deposed that he sold the
Ocean Wave by auction at Lloyds on s:h March, 1857,
for 35751. ; and on the same day the Hornet was sold
5,6271., and the Ellen Lindsay was sold on the 25th
June, 1857 for 3,2001.
Mr. Wyemark was reealletl.—He sold the Ambrosio&
for 4,0001., but he could ❑ot state the date.
Mr. Ridley recalled and cross-examined by Mr. E.
James—The Hornet was sold to Mr, Greenhouse,

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if the suggestion of his hon. friend, the Secretary of mortgage of the ship-see:hen the money was aeeeleed 1-4
he fleat;:ebt., 4, uneeceset tYi
State State for the Home Department-, woe adopted se 1 Mr.. times objected to its being received unless a i member ; and, 115 to' inpiry
brir;.,- Pl:,::`:i., a peeetwei eolutien of the difficulty. knorie ge of the naortgages were brought home to the'
sauftl,eire.tlitieo';stuilne,eproooureli:rwqsu.ir-iels,;!,bit,
itioen:::tiajsre*er,tee otpn ~11
.de thought the house ought not. to lebk upon it as clefenda,pts; - • - •
on unnaeeeing proposition. In hie opinion, if it ' was , Mr. .4.f liorton_ rl.lO. be wool-1 not n. 211 .17cie eviieee .. iirein,ove.able v- :- , ,ul.,
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adopted, the best effects woe's! without doubt fellow. Evidence was then, given of the sale of the ship, aid thought it desirable
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Mr. SLANEY said he should reserve his vote for the that at the time of the sale ships had depreciated from 35 its operations durigngtht
tion. (Hear, hear.) He should be prepared to ask Oes• .
,
measure the Government intended to propose, to 40 per cent. Sir J. TRELAWNEY haring replied, Mr. 7altoo, son of the late governor, said that be a committee during The house divided, when there appeared— and his father had liquidated the whole of his father's that subject. (Fleas, hear.) - e
For the second reading
Against it - ' •
Majority for the second reading-----53 and the! witness had since that event returned the
prePered an
The amendment was received with loud cheers. I remainder. His father valued the ships for the bank. The LORD ADVOCATE said he had
outline of a bill for Scotch University Reform, viiiieb he ..
The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to He was a man of great experience in shipping hoped shortly to introduce. The report of the, coninefeten
be committed this day fortnight. matters.
•
The house then adjourned. with reference to Aberdeen University would soon
.he .
Mr. 'Paddison recalled—He did not believe the
laid on the table of the house.
pp
bank knew of the previous mortgages on the ships
.
till Aug. 6, 1856, and the bank stn
ed on Sep'. 3, Mr. GROGAN DUBLIN* POLICE FORCE. .
rose to move for al:.oennittes to:iee
1856, and after Mr. Cameron had left the bank. quire into the present state of the Dublin police
.ferce,
Brown always represented to the bank the ships were both asregarded the number and efficiency. The (tepees.
on the Voyage p
, and on their return they should be for the maintenance of the Dublin- police foroe was.
realised.
The Crown then reseeded
exorbitant and extravagant in comparilon to the number
Oliver, :of Liverpool.p with the debt of Mr. of men and its efficiency. The Lou. gentleman this
entered into a statistical comparison of the Dublinpolice
Mr. Paddison was called and examined by Mr. with limey of the large towns of Ireland, and also those
Ballantine. He read the minutes of the different board of Enland and Scotland.
meetings relative to Oliver's accounts, at which the
Mr.g VANCE seconded the motion. •
defendants were present. It referred to the advances Mr. H. HERBERT said he bad hoped that the
to be made and made to Mr. Oliver ; the subsequent reasons he bad given the hon. member in private let
offer of e composition of 3s. 4d. in the pound. At a board not granting the committee would have been sufficient, .
meeting, held in February, 1855, Oliver's deed of trust and he should not have pressed his Motion. He (Mr. •
was produced, and a resolution was passed that the Herbert) opposed the motion. Had it not been for the
seal of the bank be affixed to the deed. On the 6th of unavoidable absence of the Attorney-General for Ire.
Marche 1855, at a meeting of the directors, the gover- laud attending to his public duties in that country three
no: explained that he had consented to tee guarantee bills would have been introduced by-him before the
ef Mr. Walton in respect of a bill drawn by Oliver or Johnsop one which would have bad reference to the- motie a
for 4,2351. 175., and which was approved of by now before the house. Referring the subject to a cons-
the board. On the Bth and 26th Dec. there were entries
e mittee would defer a settlement of the question
.this
the manner in which Oliver's missing bills were senion.
.
Bacon,found, and also a correspondence with the solicitors of
Mr. VANCE addresse d s upport of
Oliver's trustees, offering to refer the dispute about the
motion. The fact that the police of the house in
Dublin cost the
Iss
bills to Mr. of the Chancery bar.cost 6d., and
110. in the pound, whilst London only Mr. Geo. Anderson deposed that he was a clerk in Liverpool, nid., showed there was extravagance adopted
the Royal British Bank. Mr. Oliver kept an account in connection with the Dublin police force. ,
at the bank. On 13th October, 1854, he made out an The motion was negatives'.
account of °Liven's obligations to the bank, which he THE RECENT ANNEXATIONS IN INDIA,
handed to Mr. Crawford, the accountant. The account
commenced on 17th May, 1854. The next matter on the paper was a motion by Mr. R.
BAILLIZ, to call the attention of the house to the causes
A long discussion ensued as to the admissibility of the
which 131;d led to the reboil' a in he - .I%f j tra dmiii.
list as evidence, without evidence being first given
nions in the East ; and for ici.opies of ra
secretee d t ell •
that the past due bills book, containing the original
signed by the President of the Board of Control, in
entries, were laid before one or more of the directors,
Lent Campbell ruled that the books were admissible the year 1831, addressed to Lord W. Bentinok, and
as evidence to show the part each defendant took in the ordering him to annex or otherwise assume the adsain.
proceedings. istration of the kingdom of Oude ; of the despatch of .
Lord W. Bentinck, explaining his reasons for not
Mr. Sergeant &lee eaid it had not yet been proved
of th
effect
those in rr ayg orders into ; e correspondence
that either of the defendants were members of the past c
s,f
which took place, through the secret department o
due bills committee,
t
Lord Campbell said he would put aside the list, and the India House, between the President of the Board
of Control and the Governor-General of India in the
have the entries in the Welts read.
annexe-
the committee from the commencement of Oliver's trans-
Mr. Atherton called Mr. Paddison to prove who were years 1833, 1834, and 1835, in reference to the annex
lion of Oude ; and a copy of a note or minute signed
by Sir Henry Ellis, when a member of the Board- of
action, which commenced in the early part of 1855.
Mr. Paddison then proceeded to read the names from
Control, earn xpl, ining his reasons for dissenting from the
the minute book, which was a very tedious process, and projected annexation of Oude.
Sir F. Kelly having taken some further objections to
Lord PALMERSTON appealed to the hon, b, r
je ecn2t t
the dates to which Mr. Paddisoe's entries referred, when
net to bring forward his motion now. The
subject to
the dates to which Mr. Paddison's entries referred, when
which be was about to call the attention of thehourro
Lord Campbell said, Mr. Atherton, don't you think
was a sort of parenthesis to that on which the debate:
some better arrangements could be made for genial at
the names ? was adjourned, and he thought it would be better to
Mr. Atherton said, that if he had known the names allow the house to come to a conclusion on the latter
would have been required he would have had a list of first
them made out. He could get it done by to-morrow Mr. BAILLIE said there might have been some
morning,
reason for his giving way if this had been an ordinary
Lord Campbell (warmly)—lf the objection be per. occasion, but it was not an ordinary occasion, The
elated in I will adjourn the Court till to-morrow morning house was called upon to legislate for India without
for that purpose, any information having been accorded to with referee**
The Court was accordingly adjourned at 20 minutes to the rebellion in that country. The motion which he
past 3 o clock, was about to bring under the notice of the house might '
possibly throw tome light on it, and therefore be
Sir F. Thesiger on entering the Court this morning
thought the noble lord would admit he was justified ill
complained of illness, and he was obliged to leave shortly
bringing it forward before any decision was taken on
after 12 o'clock.
the bill. A very general and a very natural desire pre-
vailed among all classes to ascertain the cause of the
mutiny which had taken place. Various reasons bad
been assigned for it, and explanations offered by men in
high authority. He was bound, however, to say that'
those explanations bad not been deemed satiefactery by
the people. Some most eminent members of the Court
of Directors had given the public their opinion, and.
amongst the rest his hon. and gallant friend the member
for Aberdeen, who seemed to be of opinion that this had
not been a rebellion, but a military mutiny, which had •
its origin in an insult inadvertently offered to the reli.
gious prejudices of the Sepoys, and he supported that
view of the case by a reference to the mutiny at Velloro,
which was no doubt produced from such a muse, but
was happily suppressed by the military authorities. Au.
other distinguished member of the Court of Directors, of
great knowledge and experience in Indian affairs, the
hon. member for Leominster, in an address which he
some time ago made to his constituents, candidly cone
fessed that he could see no reason for the rebellion, but
he supposed that a madness or a frenzy had seized on the
soldiers which he was altogether enable to explain. A
third member of the Court of Directors, not less distin•
guished for his services in India than for his literary
reputation, denied that it was a mere military mutiny, - •
and said it deserved more the name of a national move-
ment, and that the object was to drive us out of • the
country. These were the discordant opinions of those
to whom they should look for correct information pa
this subject. Her Majesty's ministers, however, had '
called upon them to legislate for India, but they had nee
condescended to furnish them—nor, he believed, were
they able to do so—with any information relative to this
subject. It was under these -circumstances that be had,
felt it his duty to call the attention of the house to this.
subject; and he would now proceed to state what 'he
believed to be the opinions generally entertained by our
fellow-countrymen in India, who were unable to express
their opinions in consequence of the restriction that
had been placed upon the press of India. The
general opinion which prevailed was, that this rebel-
lion originated in a conspiracy on the part of a
portion of the Mahomedan population' of the country,
and that the question of greased cartridges woe
adroitly taken advantage of by the conspirators, in
Order to secure the sympathy and support of the Hite
dons, and to a great extent they succeed, They be.
lieved that this conspiracy was suggested by the valuable
state opportunity
and
condition that
t h
ei n
governmentconaeitue u
eeof Idofnthi:
was reduced by the course of policy which had of late
years beers pursued, and the reckless disregard of come.
quenees with which bat policy bad been carried into
effect. These might be strong opinions, but he did not
avow them without being prepared to state fully the
ground on which he was compelled to come to that
conclusion. Those who had studied the march of event,
in India could not fail to have perceived that a great
change had of late years taken place in the conduct and
policy of our Indian government. Thegrcatest statesmen
that India had produced had all been of opinion thettbe
wholesale annexation of native states by the British
Government was alike impolitic and unjust. But it would
seem as if those who had of late years bad had the contrel
of affairs in India were utterly ignorant of the opinions
of those great and illustrious statesmen whose maxims
th that
tf
hEelywhoiun
would
ociittee
was that of the Duke of Wellingtoo, who seemed tohave,
I fouuigtihretrt,opearbvae bpsetehnethboeuirsge uwiodueld aEellofosvre he
himtoParl°lLeeedildto
authority
andthe opinions
iolfeyl4.lTu uhree, ot Wellington,
first
formed at an early date strong opinions on the impolicy
of annexation :—" In my opinion the extension of our
territory and influence has been greater than our means.
Besides we have added to the number and description of '
our enemies by depriving of employment those who have
heretofore found it in the tervioes of Tippoo and the
Nizam. Wherever we spread ourselves, particularlyif we
aggrandise ourselves at the expense of the Mahrattas we
increase this evil, we throw out of employment aed
means of subsistence all who have hitherto managed the
revenue, commanded or served in the armies, or have
plundered the country. Thesepeople become additional
enemies, at the same time that, by the extension of our ,
territory, our means of supportfng our goverinnent and of .
defending oursel vesareproportionately decreased." Theis
were the opinions of the Duke of Wellington. Then the
Marquis of Wellesley gave a practical illustration of his
feelings when having conquered Tippoo Saib, he did not .
annex his dominion; but handed them over to the Rajah
of Mysore. And new he would give the opinion of Sir
T. Munro. "Even if all India could be brought under
the British dominion, it is very questionable whether
such a change, either as it regards the natives or our.
selves, ought to be desired. One effect of such a corn,
warlike neighbours to combat, would gradually loss
quest would be that the Indian army, having no longer
any
its military habits and discipline, and that the native
troops would have leisure to feel their own strength,
their E urionpean which masters.th e
natives Thereha: is no
been
example e
and, for want of other employment, to turn it against
completely-
excludedcountryasfrßomlitieahllitswhiaar.e
Aofmotnhae
allgo government
the native states the field is open for everenyinnideilinit)
himself •
, and hence among them there is a spirit ef
emulation, of restless enterprise, and independence, far
preferable to the servility of our Indian subjects. The
existence of independent native chiefs is also useful is
drawing off the turbulent and disaffected among ear
native troops." These were the opinions of Sir Thome*
Munro, And now he would give them the opinion of.
Mr. M. Elphinstone :—" It appears to me," says that
writer, "to be our interest- as well as our duty to use
every means to preserve the allied Governments ; it is
also our interest to keep up the number of independent
powers." He would not weary the house with quota.
tions, and would only give another authority, that of
Lord Edenborough, whose practice Ras not always in
accordance with his opinions, He said :—" Our Go-
vernment is at the head of a system composed of native
states, and I would avoid taking whatare called rightful
occasions of appropriating the territories of native
states, On the contrary, I should be disposed, as far as
I could, to maintain the native states ;and I am satisfied
notdoofef rr
steha
nisi,
himself; , -
conquest
that the maintainence of the native states, and the
giving to the subjects of those states the conviction
that they were considered permanent parts of. the
strengthen our authority." The opinion, thee, tdii"ff
general government of India, would material
these statesmen was that we should goverd,e4°l7
through the natives, and that was
_tnheastlylro 7
our Indian government down to 1833 I
be. r that act had or
new Cl arter Act was passed. W
overruns:it was totally
time the ancient policy of our g
no,
of ourgovernmeat
reversed. From that period the
r.any
to get rid of native
bad not any influence he was ucablket ablo but from
bad been to take every opportunity
governments and native princes,and to absorb or annex
their dominion'..
of that olicy. What he vvauted,
P •
to the justice
He would not offer at this stage any
opinion as

to do in the first place was to show the house what had
been the. policy of our theevernment, and the reckless
manner in which that policy had been carried out. Such
a policy mustniessearily have caused great dissatisfaction
among the native princes. They naturally feared that if
annexation was the policy of the British Government
there was not one amongst them who would be safe, If,
however, the British Government was determined at all
hazards to carry out such a policy, prudence would have
suggested that they would have adopted those precau-
tions which men usually took then they undertook diffi-
cult and dangerous operations. Let them consider the
number of native states which had been annexed since
1833. They commeneed with the small territory of the
Rajah of Coorg, then with the more extensive dominions
of the Rajah of Sattarab, then the vast territories of the
A meers of Scinde, then the Panjanb, then Pegu, and,
last of all, the large territory of Oude. All these states
had been annexed to the British dominions within the
period he had named, without the addition of a single
British soldier. Of course, it was impossible for us to
occupy these newly-conquered territories without the
presence of large bodies of "European troops. The Pan-
taub required little less than 10,000 men, nearly one-half
of the British force in India, and in order to supply them
and thone which were wanted for the other newly-ac-
quired territories, it was requisite to withdraw nearly
all the British troops from the garrisons and great arsen-
als in central India, so that when the mutiny broke out
there were only two European regiments between
Delhi and Calcutta, and the great military stations of
Delhi, Allahabad, and Benares, were handed over to
the guardianship of the sepoys of the Bengal army.
And yet this was considered a favourable o?portanity
for the annexation of Chide and the expedition against
-Persia, which one would naturally hare thought would
be deemed a sufficient reason for increasing the number
of troops in India. The Government had surely had
sufficient-grounds for knowing the great dissatisfaction
which had been created in the Bengal army by its con-
duct with regard to Chide. They ought, at least, to have
known that no great dependence was to be placed in a
body of men who had shown their dissatisfaction in so
unmistakeable a manner whenever they had a grievance.
When Sir C. Napier was in India he found that thirty
battalions had entered into a mutual engagement to
rise in open mutiny—a mutiny which had only been
prevented by the wine policy of that distinguished officer.
And what was Sir 41harles's reward? He received a re-
primand from the Governor-General, and was forced to
give up the command in India, although he was un-
doubtedly the greatest general of modern times, with
the exception of the Duke of Wellington. The annexa-
tion of Oude was not a simple annexation of territory,
but it inyolred the dislocation of all the machinery by
which the government of the country had been carried
on. The chuckildars or feudal chiefs were not likely
to submit quietly to the loss of their authority while they
had arms in their hands. Besides, the change, affecting
as it did the tenure of the land, could not but give dis-
satisfaction to nearly every sepoy in the service, for a
great majority of them were sons of small proprietors
of land in Onde. No sooner did the chiefs learn the de-
termination of the Government than they petitioned the
King to. allow them to resist ; but he refused, and
announced his submission to the British Government.
That for a time baffled the chiefs, but immediately after-
wards they entered into communication with a force of
14,000 eopoys, who were under the command of Sir T.
Oatram on the borders of Oude, and who promised that
they would never fire a shot against their countrymen.
The Governor-General and his advisers remained, bow-
el-ter, in A fool's paradise ; but there was one man that
was not at his ease, and who warned Government of the
danger that
_ threatened them. That man was the lamented
Sir H. .Lawrence, who wrote an article in the Calesesz
Review, from which he would read an extract :—" The
King of Oude employed 50,000 soldiers ; his chiefs and
officials at least as many more. Of these vast numbers
one-fifth, at the utmost have found employment in the
police and irregular corps. Yet these levies, with half-
a-dozen regular corps, form the whole army of occupa-
tion, This seems a grave mistake. Why not at least
make a change Why not move some of the Punjaub
regiments that have been keeping constant watch and
ward on, the Indus for seven years to Osde, and send
some of the King's people to the north-west F The King
bad some 8,000 artillery; of these about 500 may have
netatined-employment, the rest, old and young, are on
the world. Surely, if there was danger in employing
Sikhs in 1849 it would be well to remove some portion
of the 02de levies from Osde, where such materials for
mischief still remain. In the province are 256 forts,
besides innumerable smaller strongholds, many of them
sheltered within thick jangles. In these forts are 468
guns. Forts and guns should be in the hands of
Government, or the forts should be razed. Many al
foolish fellow has been urged on to his own ruin by the
possessioi of a paltry fort, and many a paltry mud fort
has repulsed British troops. . . The 80,000 or
90,000 disbanded Oude soldiers are the brethren of the
British aappe. The earliest days of annexation are not
the safest.' (Hear.) The warning voice of Sir Henry
Lawrence was raised in vain ; but what could be ex-
pected from men who, while the rebellion was raging,
actually sent home for six weeks or two months mine-
presentations of the real state of the case to her Majesty's
Government, and thus prevented the Government from
despatching troops to the scene of the mutiny—those
troops vibe, if they could have arrived six weeks earlier,
would have saved so many disastrous occurrences. He
(Mr. Baillie) did not blame her Majesty's Government
—they could only act neon the information they had
received-=but he did feel a little surprise that after
such an' exhibition of incapacity such men should
be allowed still to wield the destinies of India.
(Hear, hear.) Hitherto ho said nothing about the
justice of the course which had been adopted by the
government. There was a time when justice to India was
a feseurite theme for discussion in this house—those
glorious dajs of the Whigs when they had men worthy
to be their leaders. What said Mr. Fox in 1506 in refer-
ence to the course which should be adopted towards the
native princes, and towards this very King of Otitis !
"llf the hon. gentleman opposite thought that the Indian
princes were not entitled at our hands to the same jus-
tice as other independent sovereigns, he hoped that the
number in this house who agreed with him were but
email. There was no proposition more universal than
this, that you acknowledged the right of a sovereign
with whom you treated. It was true when an ancient
sovereign fell, and another came in his place, the feelings
of regret for the fate of the sufferer might be more acute,
and the indignation against the more recent sovereign
more string and general. Yet this must be confined to
third persons, for those who treated with him must by
that act be considered as having acknowledged his autho-
rity. But if ever there was one case where the breach of
treaty ought to occasion more indignation than another
it was where there was no power but the power of the
sword, especially in India, where, as had been stated,
that sword was the British. If ever there could be a case
where a breach of treaty could be defended, it was only
in support of the weak against the strong. But in India
the Bntnah ought to be bound by their compacts the more
closely the more it was in their power to break them.
This he hoped and believed would be the general senti-
ments of the house." But Faxdid not stand alone among
statesmen who had given utterance to such sentiments.
There was another great statesmen whose opinions ought
to have no less weight, at least with the noble lord—
viz., Mr. Canning. In 1819 Mr. Canning was President
of the Board of Control, and he was strongly urged to
coerce the King of Oade into payment of certain sums
alleged to be due to certain native bankers named Dhos.
On the 12th February in that year he wrote a despatch
in which be stated that his Majesty's Ministers felt
themselves precluded from interfering by the existing
state of relations between the two GOTCT amente. Mark
the considerate delicacy of this accomplished man ;
how different from the tone of bluster and menace they
bad heard of late from the press and even from Cabinet
:ministers, not only with reference to the native princes
of India, but even with respect to the weaker powers of
Europe. (Hear) Let them see how this country had dealt
with India. He would not speak now of the Rajah of
Sattara, the Ameers of Seinde, the annexation of Pegu,
or that of Nagpore ; because all these were subjects
which had been often debated in that house. All that he
would none say was that they were none of them acts re-
quired by the necessities of self-defence, in which respect
they differed altogether from the annexation of the Pun-
jamb. (sear, hear.) The policy of annexing Oude was not
the policy of Lord Dalhousie—it had long been thepolicy
of oar Indian Government. It had been an object of the
Govern:skint so far beak as 1831, when authority was
sent out to Lord William Bentinck to annex the kingdom
of Oude. Lord William did not think fit to carry out
those instruction'', and in 1833 or 1834 more positive
orders ware sent out to him to the same effect. Shortly
afterwards Lord William Bentinck returned to this
country, was succeeded by Lord Auckland, who went
out in 18:85, carrying
with him instructions from Sir J.
Hobhou:te to carry out the secret orders which had been
transmit bad to Lord William Bentinck. On Lord Auck•
land's arrival in India
he
found that those secret des-
patches lead fallen into the hands
of the prime minister
of Oude., (A laugh.) That
001131110 ti on. The King of
°created, of course, a great
Lord W to
illiam Bentinok ude had been advised by
present tots William IV. ; and send
Wia a very magnificent
reference' to the secret order, renderedat had occurred with
decline that present. Ot course it teca it necessary to
give an txplanation of the circumstance:ate requisite to
and his Plajesty thought them of 50 much the King ;
that he determined to ask the advice of ithe mportance
Wellington, Lord Wellesley, and Sir Gore Ouselekee'
who had. been for many years commander of the
King of Oude's Body Guard. The opinion of those
dmiuguished men was, that the annexation of Oede
would c irate a mutiny in the Bengal army. (Cheers.)
It was under these circumstances, and by the
interfere ace, as he (Mr. Beane) believed, of his Majesty
William XV,, that the annexation of Oude had been at
that times prevented. Soon afterwards a series of wars
broke out; which lasted for 13 o: 14 years—the Affghan
war, the :.war in Seinde, the campaign in Gwalior, the
first and tsecond Punjanb wars, and the war in Gwalior.
When peace was again restored the project of annexing
Oude w is again revived ; and in carrying out that pro-
ject Lor a Dalhousie had shown himself a wilting ineti'u.
meat. They all knew the result. (Hear, hear ) Oude
was the richest and most fertile portion of India ; and
that feet,. perhaps, accounted for the pertinacity with
which the object of the Government had been 'pursued.
O_lde had been called the Garden of India. It' contained
a popua • I. lion of five millions, a martial race, who were
,idlers by profession.
The Nawabs of Oude had borne
of Mogul, •
of Viziers
the hereditary title
ede
of Timmor the Tartar,
who
had with thehis titl ge,n whicheralissimo,
had
a relative of his own, in Oude,
That title naturally
since de mended to his successor.
' the native princes ;
influence amongs,
gave thf on great
id Lord Hastings, when conceived
Governor-General,
so
the projeot of inducing the Nawab to assume the title
of King off Oude, with the idea of compromising him
with the- King of Delhi. The result was thus described
by Lord- Hastings :—" The offensive animadversions_
were keivaly resented by the court of Lucknow, and an
irrepara hle breach between the two MahomeOn htatea

is avowed. Had it not been for this public reparation I.
and the renunciation of all connection the sovereign of
Oude might on some day have found himself, contrary
to his most earnest wish, involved in warfare against us
by the general sense of his nobles as well as by the pre-
judices of his people. While the hostility of the country
would have had the inconvenience which I have already
described, the character of the sovereign, admirable for
uprightness, humanity, and mild elevation, would have
bestowed colour on the adverse cause, and his treasury
might have been efficaciously employed in the payment
of troops assembled against us in other quarters." The
family of Oade had always been most attached to the
British crown. (Cheers,) They assisted us with their
arms and with their treasure. They aided us in carrying
supplies to Gen. Pollock's army, and their fidelity was
admitted to Lord Dalhousie even in the book in which
he had collected everything
he could against them.
(Hear.) Thus—" The rulers of Oade have ever been
faithful and true in their adherence to the British power.
No wavering friendship has ever been laid to their
charge. They have long acknowledged our power, have
submitted without a murmur to our supremacy, and
have aided us as best they could in the hour of our
utmest need." And again—" After the picture which
I have given of the administration of affairs in Cade, it
is my duty to state that since the days of Vizier Alee,
none of the sovereigns have, either from disposition or
habit, been cruel or tyrannical ; they have been all gen-
tlemen, humane, and generous." (Hear.) The only
charge brought against the King of Oade was the alleged
mismanagement of his territory ; but the barefaced
hypocrisy of this accusation was even more disgusting
than the open violence which had been so discreditable
to the nation. (Hear.) He would ask the right hon.
gentleman opposite (Mr. T. Smith) whether, when he
signed the order for the annexation, the misgovernment
of Oude was greater than it was in 1801, when Lord
Wellesley signed a solemn treaty on the part of the Bri-
tish Government, by which, in consideration of having
received a portion of territory, which then produced a
revenue of two millions, and which now yielded four
millions a year, be bound the British Government to
maintain for ever the integrity of the remaining portion ?
Attempts had been made to show that we had a right to
interfere under the treaty ; but it happened that Lord I
Wellesley himself, in 1812, furnished an explanation of
the document. In a volume of Indian treaties published
in 1812 the explanation to which he referred would be
found. (the hon, gentleman read an extract in which
Lord Wellesley stated that the reserved territories were
to be guaranteed to the Nawab, and that the British
Government would never depart from its engagements.)
He (gr. Emilie) would ask the right hon. gentleman
another question—was the misgovernment in Oude
greater than that'which prevailed in other native states ?
Was it greater, for instance, than that which existed in
the territory of the Nizam ? Were they to understand
that when events is India should have resumed their
natural course the Government intended to select the
Nizam for the next victim ? (Hear, hear.) Were they
going to forget the services the Nizam had rendered to
this country, as they teemed to have forgotten those
which had been rendered by the family of Oade. (Hear.)
These were questions for the house and the country.
They could no longer be left to the ministers of the
Crown or to the East India Company, for they were quest-
tious upon which the future prosperity and tranquillity
of India would mainly depend. But he (Mr. Baillie)
would not atop here. He would proceed to inquire
whether such a thing as mismanagement or misgovern-
merit did not exist in the British territories 1 (Cheers.)
They had been so long accustomed to look with favourable
eyes upon the government of India, so long accustomed
to regard it a mild and paternal despotism exercised for
the good of the people, that their minds had been quite
shocked by recent revelations. Sir C. Napier warned them
that they were sleeping on a volcano in encouraging a
Bengal army, and Mr. Halliday, speaking of the
administration of justice under our rule, stated
that nothing could be worse, nor was there anything
more to be condemned in the kingdom of Oude. Mr.
M'Leod Wylde gave a most woeful description of the
internal condition of India, which was really almost
heart-rending; the administration of justice neglected,
and the poverty of the people of the moat distressing
character. He believed that in annexing other states,
and extending their territories, they neglected the true
interests of that country. They were tuld by East India
reformers that all these evils would be remedied if the
1.1.11 a Company were csot rid of, and power placed

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in the Ministers of the Crown. But was it not well
known that the India House, of late years, had seen
made the scapegoat of the Government, that in the case
of Soinde they were notoriously overruled, and that the
annexation of that country was solely the work of Lord
Ellenborough. He certainly was of opinion, that a
change was necessary, that perhaps it would be better to
place the government of India in the hands of the Crowe,
but he saw zo reason why the East India Company
should be abolished altogether, and their functions en-
tirely handed over to A Minister of the Crown. Changes
undoubtedly were necessary, but they were not those
now proposed. In 1833, when the subject was before
Parliament, the directors desired, in cases where the
President •f the Board of Control acted unoonstitution-
ally or against the interests of India, that there should
be an appeal to Parliament against such a proceeding,
but that suggestion was rejected. They desired that
appeal, because they wished for publicity, and, in his
opinion, if their recommendation bad been carried into
effect they would have bad no Afghan war, no war in
Scinde, no Persian war, no annexation of Oude, and
none of those horrors and attocitiesilwhich since unhap-
pily took place. (Hear.) Unfortunately the neglect
of, and distaste for Indian affAirs in that house ren-
dered 'an Indian Minister practically irresponsible.

1 . _
They had been in consequence signally ohastiied as a
nation; but he hoped that after what had occurred they
would not in future ba so neglectful of a solemn duty, and
that they would remember that kings, and princes, and
Parliaments had a responsibility cast upon them from
which they could not recede, and would be held account-
able hereafter by a higher Power.
Mr. VERNON SMITH observed that before the hon.
gentleman who just addressed them rose to bring forward
his motion, his noble friend at the head of the Govern-
ment asked him to postpone it, in order that they might
proceed with the other Indian debate. That request was
declined by the hon. gentleman, because he said he was
in a position to give such information to the house as
would induce hon. members to make up their minds with
respect to the course they should feel it their duty to take
on the bill now before the house. He (Mr. Smith) re-
gretted the hon. gentleman did not comply with his noble
friend's request, because he might as well have introduced
the faots he brought forward into the debate on the East
India Bill itself, as to bring them forward in a separate
motion.

Mr. BAILLIE observed that he had given notice of his
motion before the bill was brought in. The hon. gentle-
man concluded by moving for copies of a secret despatch,
signed by the President of the Board of Control, in the
year 1831, addressed to Lord William Bentinck, and or-
derin; him to annex or otherwise assume the administra-
tion of the kingdom of Onde. Of the despatch of Lord
William Bentinck, explaining his reasons for not car-
rying these orders into effect. Of the correspondence
which took place, through the Secret Department of the
India House, between the President of the Board of Con-
trol and the Governor-General of India, in the years 1833,
1834, and 1835, in reference to the annexation of Oude.
And a copy of a note or minute, signed by Sir Henry Ellis,
when a member of the Board of Control, explaining his
reasons for dissenting from the projected annexation of
Oude. _ .

Mr. VERNON SMITE knew that very well, and again
he could not help expressing his regret that the hon. gen-
tleman did not comply with the request made by his noble
friend. From the observations which the hon. gentleman
male, he (Mr. Smith) rather collected that they would
have his vote in favour of the bill, for he found as much
fault as it was possible to find with the government of
India. When any hon. gentleman found fault with the
Board of Control, and the intervention of the Ministers of
the Crown, and said he found fault with the bill, it
was a very great mistake, and not true in point of fact.
Those who found fault with them found fault with the
prevent system, and supported the bill because it prepcesd
to change it altogether. The hon. gentleman was unable
to assign any cause for the mutiny but the annexation of
.Ouds. All the arguments brought forward towards the
close of the last session of Parliament by the right hon.
gentleman the member for Buckinghamshire were alto-
gether overlooked by the hon. gentleman, and it was a
singular circumstance that since August last they made
no advance whatever in elucidating the cause of the mutiny.
The most eminent men in India were not able to assign
any grounds for the outbreak. Sir J. Lawrence himself
admitted that he was ighorant of the cause, and declared

that he could not satisfy himself any organised conspiracy
had existed. The hon. gentleman went into an historical
disquisition affecting the policy of India, and he commenced
attacking that policy from the year 1833 ; but from that
period down to the preseat time, so far as the
Government of Oude was concerned, no fault had
been found with the policy of Lord William Ben-
tick, Lord Auckland, the Earl of Ellenborough, and Lard
Dalhousie, who filled the office of Governor-General under
successive administrations. The hon. gentleman contended
that the Government had adopted a new policy as regards
the annexation of Oude. He believed the hon. gentleman
was mistaken in saying that any ouch thing as a policy of
annexation had been laid down. There might have been a
policy of acquisition, and it was most desirable that, from
time to time, additions should be made to our territories.
In the recent outbreak great advantage hal resulted from
our having acquired the Punjaub, for, if that district had
been in a state to attack us when the mutiny broke out, we
should have been much worse off than if it had not been in
our hands. It was to the maintenance of troops in the ,
Punjaub that they were chiefly indebted for the quelling
of the mutiny. To the general policy of annexation he
was opposed. It had been opposed by the Government of
India; but in spite of the orders issued by the Crown and
the Court of Directors, it too frequently happened that
thit.tera
Governors-General sent out from this country ware, with
theioir view. of acquiring fame, tempted to aid to their terri-
tory.
et hon. gentleman had failed to show that against
itself. the Government at home had neglected to
in, that, with
The hon. gentleman was not correct in alleg-
ing
had been
mented
6 Luat ith the annexation of Oude, there had been no
increase of European troops. The number had been aug-
mented
toast and men. The policy of the Government of
, that whenever they conquered they made
kind. Theglory
to them, and that policy had been
nations, but muetl
Government
of India, and the admiration of all man-
gentleman, of India not only conquered the
out
proceeding
ondaitnige n swit
with
maintainh is themselves.
history,
ai d Theth the
because a favourable opportunity
hon.
occurred, but thatmerely an opinion, and he (Mr.
mutiny broke
Vernon. Smith) questionedwa its accuracy, for he thought a
muruicmhearnnowrearfahvaoduhraabplpeenoepnrtunity, as, for instance, the
mutiny ; and when the
hon. gentleman supposed it tookor the
place because
withdrawn for the Persian war, he would settartoeopfosrwheries
satisfaction that those troops who had
returnedt were among
the brat toc'
mutiny. (Hear, hear.)
The hon. gentleman
lacolsil of the terri-
tory of Oude said that the
was made in a manner ann
most discreditable to
assist in quelling the uiu
hear
sai'
Lord Dalhousie. He (Mr. V. Smith)
that statement. It was novel both in the house and to
od
eh
where, and he thought Lord Dalhousie had not been welle-
treated by the hon. gentleman. It was totally and entirely
incorrect to say that the Court of Directors had nothing to
do with the annexation of Oude. The Court of Directors
thanked and voted a pension to Lord Dalhousie, and one
of the reasons given for the vote of thanks was the acqui-
Dalhousie acted with great discretion, and in such a
man-
sition of Oude, and he (Mr. V. Smith) contended that Lord