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tem of surveillance and espionage pou those vessels, and there could he no compromise of the question. Its
and when they quit the port are in the habit of following nature did not admit of it.
them and chasing them at sea. A- great many American Mr. GLADSTONE said difficulties bad increased in
ships in the Gulf have also been brought to and searched. the settlement of this question from there being a dispo-
I have not the least idea if the facts as stated are cor- sition more entertained than avowed, but explicitly foond
rect, but such statements have been made ; and your in the evidence of important personages before a committee
hardships know that snch acts neither international law of that house to fight the question of a church establish-
nor the treaty of 1842 can justify. But I agree with ment on the ground of church-rates. (Hear, hear.) He
flag
my noble fiend ns iend thattantly it is also tru
etchat
cover t the Ahemerican denied there was any desire in that house to tax Die-
hasprostitutedslave senters for the benefit of the Church. He was most trade and other
agreement should b illegae
comel acts ; anto d itbetween is detiratheble
two that
coon-
some anxious to give them relief from church-rates, and if
they were not re them, it not arise so tries, with a view to a distinct understanding A 3 to the much from thelieved actsfro ofthose who were friendly
proceedings to be taken by officers in both services re- to the maintenance of church-rates as from
spcctively, in order to ascertain the real nationality of the acts of those who were determined not to ac-
vessels,lwhile at the same time they shoul I not be offen- cept any measure of relief, He had no desire to widen
sive to honest traders. To that point I have directed the differences between Churchmen and Dissenters, but
the attention of the American Government, and in a he was at a loss to understand how they branded or
conversation which I had with the Minister of that coun- stigmatised a man by describing him to be that
try this morning, there was no greatdifference of opinion which be is. (Hear.) The present law was fixed on a
between us. After that conversation, and after the de- popular basis, and was required more for the rural popn-
spateh written to Lord Napier and the instructions lation than the urban population. It was a popular
which have been sent out to the officers belonging to law, because it left to the majority the enforcin of its
the squadron in those seas, no acts of the kind stated, provisions. It was an ancient law, and enforced g
super-
if tbey are true, are likely to be repeated. Trusting and vision in a form most agreeable to the English feeling,
hoping, in the meanwhile, that no such acts will he corn- and looking to the rural parishes the law worked
mated, I believe that as soon as the conversation which well, and was one, in the main, both generous
has taken place goes over to America, this country need and jest, because it imposed an hereditary and tradl.
be under no apprehension that there will be any breek- tional burt-hen on the owner of property, the principal
leg off of the alliance which has so long happily existed benefit of which was reaped by the poor rural population
between the two countries. (Hear, hear) of the country. It was a just and fair proposal to relax
The Earl of HARD WicKE said, in reference to the the law of mortmain fer the support of the fabric of the
naval part of the subject, that the mode operations of Church on the abolition of church-rates, but he Wati
inquiring into the nationality of a vessel had been clearly afraid it would be found not to work effectually when
'lid down, and if there had been any excess of those in.- put in practice. The bill would certainly destroy the
structions it was against the direction that no offence incomes of many clergymen. The stipend for the living
was to be given to any nation in conducting the opera- of Poplar, on the abolition of all the usual parochial
tions in those seas.
The house then adjourned. • obligations in the parish for producing an income for
the clergyman was fix.el at 4501. a-year, payable
usually from the church late, and ho asked
the right hon. baronet how that income was to be de-
rived if church-rates were abolished. He agreed the
time had come when such a measure should be submitted
to the greatest landowners in the kingdom, and that
house should know bow the membirs of the Rouse of
Lards proposed to deal with a measure that affected
their property.
Sir J. TRELAWNEY baying addressed the house
in reply,
The house divided, when the numbers were—
Fix the third reading
Against it
Majority for the- third reading 63
The bill was then read a third time and passed.
The house suspended its aitttng at a quarter to four
o'clock, and resumed at six o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YEsTERDAy.)

The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Lancashire and Yorkshire and Esst Lancashire
Railway Companies Bill was further confudered and
agreed to, after a short discussion on the impoitance of
the amalgamation of parallel lines (the first that had
ever taken place), and the exmpti,nal finale of charges
relative to the terminal charges, and on the conveyaoce
of goods to the town of Bolton.

WATERFORD AND KILKENNY RAILWAY
(POWER OF PURCHASE, he.) BILL.
Mr. C. FORSTER moved that the order (221 Mara),
for committing the Waterford and Kilkenny RAilway
(Power of Purchase, &c.) Bill be read, and discharged ;
and that the bill be withdrawn.—Agreed. to.

INDIAN LEGISLATION.
Mr. W. CRAWFORD presented a petition from the
merchants, bankere, and traders of the city of London,
(leen-eating for the present all legislation on the suLject
of India, and praying the house to suspend the further
consideration of the question until a future session.
LAW OF LUNATICS.
Mr. TITE gave notice to move, on the 22i, the ap•
potntment of a select committee to inquire into the law
of lunatics under the care of the Court of Chancery.
MR. HOWARD AT FLORENCE.
In reply to Mr. WISE,
Mr. J. FITZGERALD said that it was on account
of ill heal h that Mr Howard did not present his letters
f credence to the Court of Tu,cany. Their was no in-
tention of discontinuing their mission in accordance
with the recommendation of the committee (1 1850.
Many diplomatic reductions had been made in conse-
quence of that report, but it was not thought advisable
to include the mission to Florence amongst them.
iTHE SUBMARINE TELEGRAPH'.
Lord C. PAGE r asked the First Lard of the Admi-
ralty whether be had sera a petition signed by a great
number of owners of fishing boats at Deal and Widmer,
and on the east coast of Kent, complaining that the
Submarine Telegraph Company had laid down 'buoys
which greatly interfered with the use of their nets, and
whether it was the intention of the Government to order
those buoys to be removed I
Sir J. PAKINGTON said the petition referred to
had been received on Monday, and it appeared that the
li,hermen on the Kent coast tad suffered very serious
injury from the buoys of the Telegraph Company. The
course which the Admiralty bad adopted was to commu-
'nicate with the company, and call upon them to explain
the circumstance. They had also caused a representa-
tion to be made to the Trinity Board, inquiring whether
any steps had been taken is the matter. A memoran-
dum from the company had just been placed in his hands,
stating that the buoys had been put down to m irk the
spots where damage had been caused by ships to the
telegraph ; and when the repairs were completed they
would be taken up again. (Hear, hear.)
THE BALLOT.

Mr. H. BERKELEY said be rose pursuant to notice
to move for leave to bring in a bill to cause the votes of
Parliamentary electors of Great Britain and Ireland
to be taken by way of ballot. This was the anni-
versary of Mr. Grote's last motion on the question of
the ballot in that house--exactly 20 years ago—(hear,
hear)—for which belied the honour of voting. It was 16
years since Mr. Warburton brought forward his motion
which be (Ur. Berkeley) seconded ; and it was exactly
10 years since he was lucky enough to persuade the
House of Commons to pass a resolution in its favour.
Since that time he had met with varied success. He
contrived during one session to persuade the house to
permit him to bring in a bill ; but it was so late
in the session that he was unable, after the second read-
ing, to carry it through. He now proposed to bring in
a Lill, which might be strictly called a Corrupt Practices
Prevention Bill. (blear, bear.) And as the Attorney-
General ha i promised to consider a certain other Cor-
rupt Practices Prevention Act, which bad been a com-
plete ure, although his bill would be very much digs
honoured, in his opinion, in such company, yet he wall
perfectly prepared, if the Government would give him
Lave to bring in bill, to place it in the bad company of
the A.terney-General's bill. (Hear, hear.) But he
knew they would not do so ' • there was not a dance of
1,188 of influence was the imaginary spectre which
they raised, and which glared upon the lords and squires ;
and his bill was a terror to their souls. Consequently
they would keep the measure out of the house as long
as they possibly could. He was persuaded that nothing
but the opinion of the people, strongly expressed, would
cause Parliament to pass the measure ; and it would
eventually be passed. He founded his advocacy of the
ballot on one single axiom—he might call it an immu-
table principle—that they had no right to create a func-
tionary without giving that functionary adequate pra-
te ction in the discharge of the functions of his office.
Now, though the Parliamentary elector could be proved
to be within the category, they refused to apply that
principle to him. He was not astonished at that re-
fisal. It was no wonder that they should deny that
right to the elector while so large a proportion of the
members of that house were perfectly independent of
the electors who sent them there, and whale the electors
—who by a strange fiction, were imagined to elect mem-
bers freely and without influeno;—were actually under
the control of the members whom they elected, their
blends or fawn e 4. While the House of Commons con-
tinued to he a sop t l reperat, ry academy fur the sons of
the nobility, who by fenely interest commanded seats
there, waiting for that event which was to remove them
elsewhere, and who voted in that house just as their
fathers voted in the House of Lords—while the re.
presentation of boroughs and counties went by descent
and not by election—and while the electors were not
independent men, but were voting machines—so long
might the people of England expect that the legislation
emanating from so corrupt a source must be impure--
that legislating arising from so confined a source would
be directed to anything but the interests of the electors.
What he would venture to say on this important phase
of the ballot question had been so much better said by a
leading member of that house ten years ago, not speak-
ing on the ballot question, but on Mr. Hurne's motion
for a reform in the representation, that he would take
the liberty of quoting from that speech. He he'd in his
hand au extract from the speech of Mr. B. o.borne, at
that time member for Middlesex. He addressed the
House of Commons and the Whig Ministry ; his speech
was principally in reply to Lord J. Russell, and thus be
spoke —" I &r,d, according to Dodd, that there are 42
boroughs still subject to local influence; 33 are under
the direct influence s.f peers. 18 members its tbis house
represent 11 Whig peers, and 33 represent 22 Tory peers.
And these 42 boroughs have as n.O h influence in the
house as the cities of Londoe, Dublin, Edinburgh, Liver-
pool, and Glasgow. But when the noble lord says that
Government ' is not carried on for the benefit of the arm-
toracy,'6
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say that the power of the aristocracy has increased, is
increasing, and ought to be diminished. We have heard
somewhat of family petite ne in this house. Wby, what
is the whole foundation (f tie present Government in
this country ? I.s foundation rests upon family arrange-
ments. Nearly the whole Cabinet are related to each
other by ties of birth or marriage. They form a snug fa-
mily party. Aod they so far differ from another exhibition
called the Happy Family,' that, whereas in the one
case all the animals are distiect in species, in the other,
whilst admitting the great knowledge and talents in indi-
viduals, you can only account for their ricketty offspring
in legi-lation by knowing that the parents are related.
So much for the constitution of the Cabinet. The same
aristocratic element is visible in the subordinate officers;
look rut the treasury bench in this house—it is occupied
by either the scions or attaches of the great Whig fami-
lies, chequered here andthaerpeowpuitlharactiomneesttoattihsteicalcornmpallo. of the people, just to give
siiion ; and if you find the representat V! tf a large libe-
ral
constitaency in such company, you may be sure that
his former principles have become sickly, and that his
present associates gave treated him as gipsies are re-
ported to treat stolen children—' disfigured him to wake
him pass for their own.' In short, turn where you will,
whether in colonial management or diplomacy, it will be
found that for the most part Government 'has been
carried on for the benefit of the aristocracy :' but the
noble lord says, the 'Howards and; Stanleys are not to
be precluded from holding situations ;' allow me to sug-
gest that the Howards and Stanley? have as go id a
right (and Ito snore) as others to hold places, and it is
somewhat singular that few of the Hr
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thereor of
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Stauleys are in public places. There a
have not such good claims, and who make a good thing
of them. We do not complain that men of the name of
the name of Howard and Stanley hay, play% but we