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pretended to be liberal, it was, in fact, illiberal.
The Conservative Government had done what no
other Government had offered to do—it had intro-
duced household suffrage, and had thereby shown
its confidence in the working classes. • •
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own thoughts and experiences, and I value their ex-
pressions of goodwill the more because they have re-
spectfully, and at the same time with frankness,
offered their criticisms upon the Government mea-
sure, which, on the whole, they approve. (Hear, and
cheers.) Gentlemen, your observations will be duly
weighed. With regard to the measures of which
you have spoken, Lori Derby and his colleagues
have endeavoured by it to restore to the working
clAsses the rights of which they were deprived by the
Act of 1832. (Cheers.) We hear very much of our
Measure being a ridiculous measure, of a most limited
character, and at the same time of its being a fan-
ciful and revolutionary measure—(laughter)—but
we cannot take credit for the inventions of those who
say this, or plead guilty to the accusations which
have been made against us. (Cheers.) All we have
done is to endeavour to see what is at the bottom of
the general discontent in the country with respect to
Parliamentary representation, existing more 2r less
during the last 35 years. No doubt there have been
evil, designing men, who have taken advantage of
that discontent to promote their own purposes ; but
there is certainly only one opinion with respect to
the foundation for that discontent, and that is that
the real foundation of it is the way in which the
franchise is exercised by the working-classes, espe-
cially in the boroughs. It is necessary to adapt a
measure to the altered circumstances of the country,
and what we are endeavouring to do into restore the
old borough franchise to the people. (Cheers.) The
" scot and lot" franchise, which had been enjoyed
by generations; and under which this country
greatly prospered, is really the main feature of this
policy, which has been denounced in such dan-
gerous terms. It is an old English policy, and
by it we endeavour to restore the prescriptive
rights of the people. (Cheers.) A man who pays
his rates, and is a bona fide resident, who shares in
the interests, prospects, and feelings of the people
among whom he lives and works, is the man in
our opinion to whom the franchise may be safely
intrusted, as it was intrusted for generations
in past times. That is the principle of our
Bill, and I sincerely hope that it will be adopted by
Parliament. Indeed, Ido believe it will be adopted
by Parliament. (Loud cheerS.) And I have no doubt
when it is, it will be found perfectly satisfactory to
the country ; that all these difficulties we have seen
will vanish, and that the representative system will
be found based upon a sound principle. (Chqers.)
There may be many circumstances which may in
some degree interfere with the perfect application
for a time of this principle ; but I have no doubt
myself that this measure will prove perfectly satis-
factory to the people of this country, because. it is
founded upon a principle which is popular, which
everybody understands, and which has been recog-
nised in the transaction of our affairs for many ages,
and which, if not peculiar, is at least characteristic
of the people of this country. lam bound to say
myself that the measure is receiving from Parlia-
ment a candid consideration.. Produced by a new
Government, in a Parliament not elected under their
auspices, and without a pledged majority of their
supporters, and though there has been au attempt to
divert the exigencies of the moment to the purposes
of faction, the measure has been fairly considered,
I and there is no doubt that the opinion of the majo-
rity of the House of Commons is with the measure
we brought forward, as oncecalculated to clear away
. the difficulties of this question. (Cheers.) I need
not tell you that Lord Derby would not have under-
. taken the great task in which he has embarked.ex-
cept with the determination to carry it to a success-
_ful consummation. On the part of the Government
I will place the measure before the house with con-
fidence, and if by any chancewe meet difficulties we
do not at presentanticipate, weshall not give up the
great undertaking we have pledged ourselves to
carry out. We hope, under any circumstances, we
shall bring it to a happy conclusion, because we
have confidence in the strength of public opinion
and in the energy and good sense of the people of
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Shortly afterwards the deputation from the asso-
ciations waited upon Lord Derby and Mr. Disraeli.
This was a very numerous gathering, and was
formed principally of the gentlemen who were pre-
sent at the Conservative Conference of the day be-
fore. Sir W. Bagge, M.P., introduced the depu-
tation, and among those present were Lord Erskine,
Major-Gen. Noah, Mr. Gorst, M.P., Mr. Powell,
KR., Mr. Hornby, M.P., Mr. W. T. Cox, M.P.,
Mr. Feilden, M.P., Mr. G. S. Beecroft, M.P.,
Lieut.-Col. Sir H. Edwards, M.P., Mr. C. L. Read,
my., Mr. Ferraud Mr. Alderman Rose, the Rev.
Mr. Foy, &c.
Mr. HOLMES, of the Yorkshire • Conservative
Union, was the first speaker. He begged to ex-
press, on the part of the working men of Leeds, the
confidence felt in the Government and the bill
brought forward for the reform of the representa-
tion of the people, and he said the working men were
sure this measure would be carried out for the good
of the country. He assured the Government that
Conservative feeling was spreading throughout the
country, a fact of which he had convincing proof in
connexion with 17 associations which the working
men of Yorkshire had joined because they felt that
the party was the true and only friend of the work-
ing classes. As regarded the compound house-
holders, he said it would not be a safe thing to allow
that class the same privileges as the non-compound
householders, and to do so would be raising up a
privileged class in the State. As to the term of re-
sidence, that was a question which it would, in his
opinion, be well to leave ha the hands of the Go-
vernment ; and the voting-paper clause he looked
upon as a valuable one, as it would enable a vast
number of persons, such as the sick and disabled
voters, to exercise the franchise. If, he continued,
the adversaries of the Government were sincere in
their expressed desire to enlarge the franchise, they
would vote for this clause ; and Mr. J. S. Mill ought
especially to vote for it, as the women, whom that
gentleman proposed to enfranchise, could only vote
that way without being insulted. In conclusion, Le
begged to assure the noble lord that the working
men of the North were prepared to support the Go-

vernmen t.
Mr. KIRBY, of Birmingham, representing an as-
sociation of 600 members, said his association had
perfect confidence in Lord Derby's Government
carrying the Reform question to a satisfactory issue.
There were some points in the measure upon which
his members were not altogether iu agreement, as,
for instance, the residential question, some believing
that a year's residence would meet the case ; but, as
regarded the bill as a whole, they considered it as
honest in its intentions, and as one which would be
appreciated the more it was thoroughly understood.
Mr. MILL, of Wakefield, who introduced himself
as " a bona fide working man," said he represented
600 other working men, who had voluntarily
I joined a Conservative Association because they
felt it necessary to maintain the ancient principles
upon which the Constitution is founded. He was
privileged to convey to his lordship the assurance
that the working men would support his lordship's
Government before the country, and he had been
desired to convey the thanks of the working men to
the Chancellor of the Exchequer for his noble
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association he represented, the speaker futile
stated, was only in its infancy, and, had this meet-
ing taken place a little later, he should have come
as the representative of double the number he had
stated.

Mr. JOWITT, of Leeds, assured his lordship that
the men of the West Riding of Yorkshire were:
ready to do all that was necessary to support his
lordship's Government.
Mr. Eastmore, of Greenwich, and Mr. Gervcs, of
Norwich, also splke ; and Mr. Lawes; of Green-
wich, on behalf of the coznpound householders of
that borough, repudiated, as he sail, the professed
sympathy of the leader of the Opposition. Mr. R.
N. Fowler also spoke.
Lord DERBY, who on rising was greeted with seve-
ral rounds of cheers, then addressed the assemblage.
He said—Gentlemen,--This deputation, as I under-
stand, was originally appointed to wait upon my
right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
and to hi►n, indeed, such a mark of honour is most
justly due, because it has rested upon him to carry
out the measure of the Government; upon him the
greatest labour has devolved, and upon him has lain
the greatest responsibility in the adoption of the
best tactics, in conciliating the various opinions, and
in endeavouring, while maintaining a firm adher-
ence to our principles, by a conciliatory bearing to
carry through such an assemblage as the House of
Commons a measure involving matters of no com-
mon importance—a measure which inctudes-fi vast
variety of conflicting interests, and requires all par-
ties to give way to the feelings of others, so that the
object we have in view shall be carried, namely, a
measure which shall settle this question for a con-
siderable time. (Cheers.) But, gentlemen, under-
standing that this meeting, which might have
waited upon the Chancellor of the Exchequer alone,
would feel some satisfaction if I took part in it, I
came up from the country for the express purpose of
meeting you. (Cheers.) I need not say that in
the arduous task in which we are engaged the sup-
port of all classes of the community is essential for
the purpose of enabling us to carry through a mea-
sure surrounded with no ordinary difficulties, and
in respect to which we have to contend with no
ordinary opposition. (Hear, bear.) I regret the
distinction which was drawn in the statistics of last
year between the working class and other classes of
the community. I think it was an invidious and
unnecessary separation of classes. Now, our object
is not to include so many of this or that class, but
to admit to constitutional rights so many of all
classes that shall be capable of intelligently and
soundly exercising the political franchise. (Cheers.)
As to working men we are all of us working men.
Some of us work with our brains, some with
our tongues, and some with our hands. We have
all our duties to perform, and we are bound to
unite our best service for our common country.
(Cheers.) 1 must say it affords me peculiar satis-
faction, and I am sure it does also my right hon.
colleague, to know how largely Conservative prin-
ciples are extending among those who, hitherto,
have been exchided from the representation, .and
who have been erroneously regarded as favourable
to democratic alterations. We desire to extend the
basis of our foundations, but not to break down the
foundations upon which our Constitution is based.
We desire to bring in as large a number as possible
of those who shall be found capable of exercising
the franchise soberly and intelligently ; but how are
we to draw the line of distinction? That is the
great question now pending between us and those
who are in opposition to the Bill. I have always
thought it was a mistake in the Act of 1832—al-
though I was a party to it —that the original line of
£lO was fixed as the line; but the abuses that pre-
vailed up to that time made the representative sys-
tem of this country a mockery, and so completely
was the popular feelitig aroused that the £lO was•
o.ccepted as a middle term upon which we might
safely rest. But it is quite clear the rent a man
pays cannot be a test of his respectability. (Hear,
hear.) The £lO was an arbitrary line ; the man
who pays £9 may fairly ask what difference there
is between him and the £lO householder, and the
man who pays £8 may say the same, and so on.
(Hear, hear.) Indeed, there is not a single figure
upon which you can put your finger and say,
" Here is the line between property and poverty
and between respectability and non-respectability."
It is a false measure upon which to proceed, and
that false measure is now that which the present
Opposition is endeavouring.to uphold against the
Government Bill. We have thought it muchbetter to
break down that hard and arbitrary line, and to ascer-
tain if we cannot take another and a better basis.
(Cheers.) Now, what are the tests which you would
desire to qualify a man to vote ? Temperance,
frugality, permanence of tenure, steadiness of con-
duct, continuous amount of residence. (Cheers.)
In claiming the privileges of the franchise we think

a man should be bound to take upon himself the
burdens of the Constitution, and to share the rates
which are levied upon all householders. (Cheers.)
We propose to take these two tests. Instead of
taking a particular figure, we propose to take the
personal payment of rates as a guarantee that the
man who offers that payment is willing to bear his
share of the State burdens, at the same that betakes
the privileges of the Constitution. We ask also for
a teat of residence. And why? Because there is
in large towns a vast amount of migratory popula-
tion, who are the least respectable and the least I
valuable portion of the community, and who are the
least known to their neighbours, and upon whom I
we think it advisable not to lavish the franchise.
We therefore claim a certain period—be it one year,
a year and a half, or two years, for that is a matter
for fair discussion—so that the franchise shall in-
clude all those who are permanent householders, and
exclude that mixed and migratory population which
have no permanent connection with the towns. I
will not venture to enter upon any details of the
measure which is being carried through the House
of Commons surely, though slowly (cheers) ; and I
will not say anything upon the question of com-
pound householders, which is a question that has
been very much discussed. We are very anxious
that these compound householders, as soon as they
have the power of taking upon themselves the pri-
vileges of voters,' should have every facility afforded
them of being entered upon the register. We pro-
pose
,to place them upon an entire equality with
other householders, subject only to this condition,
that if they are omitted to be put on the rate-book
by the overseers they must claim to be inserted
and pay the rates. (Cheers.) Now, I cannot see
that there is any inequality in this, or, as the late
Chancellor of the Exchequer said, any " fine" in
that proposal. Then, going to a minor point,
we are desirous of ,multiplying the polling places in,
counties, rendering it unnecessary to transport the
voter for the future a long distance to vote, which has
hitherto been a fertile source of bribery. (Cheers.)
We think great advantage might also be gained by
the introduction of voting papers ; that it would be
a great protection to the sick,. weak, timid, and the
infirm ; that it will enable men to exercise their
rights without being exposed to the terrors and
the abuses of a riotous mob. At the same time, we
have taken stringent precautions against all possi-
bility of fraud. I have jast touched upon some. of
the principal points of the measure, and I will not
further detain you than to express upon my own
part and that of my colleagues our gratification that
the feeling of the country is arousing itself ; that it
is looking at this measure, as it was intended
attempt
to settle the question. (Loud cheers.) It will largely
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