The Sun.
London, England, 1804-03-03 00:00:00

Officers, it had been thottr7lit advi,iable not to give
rerioan.mt pay to thOse Officers app-inted w C-rps
pti,r to June last., but if they hold a Coin-
,n
in the Army to allow them their half pay, ;"4"41
this upon the principle that they were held
to be. persons Who did not want such assistance:
respea to these modern Corps, no allowance
was made except for an Adjutant. It might he
said, that allowances ought to have been made ; hut
it was ntit necessary for him to apologize for Mini-
sters being as economical as .possible ; it • was better
to begin under the mark, than make too large an
establishment, which it might .he.difficult afterwards
to reduce. Adverting again to the subjea of per-
manent pay,, he would just observe, that as the
law had stood since 179+, upon the offer being ac-
cepted of any Corps' to as,emble upon permanent
duty, they were considered to he in, the same situa-
tion as if called out in case of ACtual Invasion, and
-were entitled ro the marching guinea, to provide
themselves. with necessaries.. He would propose a
clause to do away doubts upoo this subjea, in which
he should propose that this Guirlea shAild be dedmtted
• frlin the two Guineas to which they were intitled
after the defeat or expul,ion of the Enemy. The
Rt. Hon. Gentleman (Mr. PITT) had propo,ed that
a clause shonid be inserted to reiniqe doubts with

respect to the ele6tion of Officers. It was not his
intention to propose any such clause. His KijeSty
undoubtedly had the power of commissioning Of-
ficers recommended by the Lord Lieutenant, or of
rejeaing such:persons. There, therefore, appeared
no question about an eleaion, except only where
that was included in the terms of acceptance.—
He bad mentioned one exception on a former

occasion, in ►he case of th 4 Light Hone Vo-
lunteers, why► recommended to His Mjesty per-

sons. t. hold Commissions in that Corps, but when
cAled into aEtual service that right had ceasei, and
in c use of the death of an Officer, the next in seni

ority succeeded. There were some %tit° only I ok_
ed to the Corps of the metropolis, ennsidering them
every tiling, a, d who, becAuse two or hree Corps
had claimed the right of eletting Office's, supposed
it was general ; but in the country, where Corp, were
form,•tl under the influence of Grotlemen of rank ;tied

prt.rtrry, no such idea was entertained. I! was ,0
he composed at ihe same time that n. persoo w,
be appointed an Officer in a Volutiteer Cyrps ‘vno
was not agreeable to that Corps. Much had keen
said on a former occasion ah,ut the postier Of
Committees, hut wherever they had interfered
in military discipline they hod 1)::en checked, arld
no person could say that, in the regulaYir:n of
financial concerns, they were affing imppvcrly : it
was wet! known that, case of the death of i; Pa;

mater, tiltre was a C mmistee of Pay tn,,s t rs

in every Regiment of the Line. The last point
he I. id to notice was the sug%estions re.

speeting Rules .mid Regulations ft,r enforcing di-
tenclanee and attention, and discipline, whilst under
pans, by fine, inirtis9nrnent, &c. He trust say,
that he was wholly to such, a plan, which he

considered to be entirely iticons!stent with the nature
'of the Volunteer Service operating in its disembodied
state. Such a system would, he conceived,not merely
produce inconyenience,but would lead to the tlestruc.
lion 01. the Volunteer Sys-em,or at least to a very con.
Aitletalile diminution of numbers. There was another
objection to it likewise arising out' or the Defence
At. Provisions were made there for fines and
penalties upon the different classes, in case of dis.
obedience ; but it was expressly stated that if a suf-
ficient number at Volunteers came forward, they
should he relieved from the Compulsory Clauses of
that Bile. They having come for.varti in that con-
fidence, it would be in some instance a breach of
faith to resort ro those Compulsory Clauses to he
applied against them. He concluded by proposing
several new Clauses, some of which related to the
exern,;:rinns under furny:r. Afts, and the allowance
.to Voluoteer. Another he proposed with a view
to • remove doubts respeding the cxernutions of
Volunteers from serving in the Militia and
:Army of Reserve. It was not intended, he
said, to exempt them from the Ballot, hut
that_ on their names being balloted they should
he placed on a sevarate - list, and that on any otte 01
them quitting his Corps i)e should be called upon to
serve by himself or Substitute to fill up the filot
vacancy that occurred ;n the sulytlivist qt.
proposed that no i,erson sh )uld he exPnired from
serving or fiatling a Substitute, who did not attend
the midst.: of his Corps 24. days in the course f the
year. Another clause went to enable the Dytity
Lieutenants or Magistrates to apportion the quota.,
for the Militias and Aral; of Reserve, having reg .rd
to the nutnt),-1- of Volunteers in any particular place.
Another cruse infliding penalties for the sale of
arms belonging to Government, or inducing a
Volunteer sell hiS arms, andtto enable• Com.
minding Officers to have a place for keeping
alms,
_the expence to be paid by the Receiver Ge,
neral of the Lard Tax. Another clause to enable
Coortnandi'ng Officers to dismiss any one from a Corps,
and another to prevent any dispute about, withdraw,
;i.g from a C ops, by entitling, that where a Com-
manding Officer shall efuse to accept the resigna.
tinn tendered by any, Member of the Corp, the
latter may appeal to the Lord Lieutenant or Deputy
Lieutenant, who shall decide in a summary-,way. ,
Mr. PITT said, he should have been extremely
happy if the Right. Hon. Gentleman who bad just
ken, had relieved him from the.necessity.of ad,
dressing the Committee,uL:n the:vas
under ptrdeseerntt .hoactcanseieoens.;
but as the matter stood,
sky, He 'was not desirous of particularly or ten.a..
ciously adhering to one mode rather than another,
provided he saw that the sUbstatiCeof the thing, ho
wanted was likely to be secured, and which; appears-
ed to him absolutely necessary to be accomplished.
Ti was indifferent to him whether that was done by
means of Clauses in the Bill or by the Executiie Go-
vernment, in, virtue of any discretionary power
given for. that purpose, provided he found an aissUr.
ance that it would be done ; in that ease he should
should have been ready to acquiesce with Geivetn-
ment in any mode they might think expedient to
adopt; but from the speech of the Right Hon. Gen..
tlemar.,. that matter was left whd, ly . uncertain,
whether any thing that might amount to the sub-
stance of his proposal would be acceded to, on one or
two Of the most important points, as it appeared
to him, in the whole of the. Volunteer System; he
must therefore state to the-Committee the ground