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SLAVE TRADE.

Mr. WILB ER FORC A moved the, second reading
of the Bill 11. the Abolition of the Sfive Trade.
Mr. FOSTER wished the Order for a Committee
en the Petitions from Ireland., respe&ing the Tax of
41 per Cent. on Irish Linen, to precede the discus-
sion of the Hon. Member's Motion, as the persons
conneaed with the Linen Trade in Ireland, were
particularly anxious to have the business decided o'ne
way or the other.
Mr. WlLlteaFoßcit thought the Motion he
submitted, would produce no discussion in the pre-
sent stage, and of course would not interfere with
the objeft of the Hon. Gentleman. Counsel were in
attendance, and their hearing would probably ter..
minate the business for this evening. _

Tprifinr ti ..;,4 that as the Mail for the
West Indies was to Ibis night, he would not
consent to suffer the anxiety which the Planters must
feel upon this subjefl, to be aggravated by hearing,
that a Bill for the Abolition of the Slave Trade Has
allowed to be read a second time, without any obser.
vation against it.

The CH ANC ELLO A! of the EXCHEQUER sub-
mitted to his Noble Friend, that if he had no other
reason but the Mail for pressing the discussion of the
Bill this evening, that that Mail would most pro-
bably take its departure before the Debate should
terminate. The Right Hon. Gentleman. recom-
mended, for the sake of time and accommodation,
the postponement of the Debate until the Motion for
the SP EAKE R'.^4 leaving the Chair, remarking, at the
same time, that nothing very novel was to be ex-
petted upon a subjett'so often discussed. Any fur-
ther debate upon it would, in fiet, be merely a
trial of the opinion of the House, and no parry
could derive any advantage from time proposed post.
ponement of that trial.
After a long and desultory conversation, Mr.
PITT suggested, that. the usual mode of proceeding
,was to agree to the Counsel being heard before the
Debate was gone into.
Mr. DICKENSON, in order to give time to.the
Counsel to prepare themselves upon the several Pe-
titions, moved that the Order should be postponed
till this day sennight.
Mr. DENT approved of this Motion, as the Liver-
pool Merchants, whose Petitions he had presented
only this day, must naturally require farther time.
Sir LAWRENCE PARSONS thought time es-
sentially necessary, particularly in order that gen-
tlemen should have an opportunity of exmaining the
Papers on the Table, tt hicie contained the Corres-
pondence between the SECRETARY of STAts and
the Governors of the several West India
ACorrespondence which look place in consequence
of the Resolution of the House in 1796, and which
confirmed the opinions of the seviral. Governors and
others, upon the practicability of the probable con-
sequences of an attempt at the Abolition of the
Slave Trade. Those valuable Papers, he ventured
to say, not ten Members of the House had ever read,
not even, perhaps, the Honourable Mover of the
Bill himself. Under those circumstances, the Hon.
Gentleman recommended the adoption of the Amend-
ment, in order that the House should not proceed
without due deliberation in a measure which would
go to do away a Trade in which Seventy Millions
of Capital were invested ; which brought Eight
Millions of Produce into this Country, and enabled
us to send Four Millions of our Produce to other
Countries.

Mr. W/LBERFORCE stated, that he had read
the Papers alluded to by the Honourable Baronet,
and would have thouzlit himself culpable, not to look
over documents which had now been above ttmonth
on the Table, and which were so intimately; con
neaed with a subjea in which he felt such a parti-
cular interest.

Mr. ROSE said; that a Pamphlet had been just
published, and very widely circulated, which he
knew produced a strong impression upon the minds
of :he Members of that 1-I::u.se, Ile Right Hon,

Gentleman observed, that this impression was such,
that he wished the House to decline coming to any
immediate decision upon this important Bill.
Mr. WILBERFORCE saw the Pamphlet allud-
ed to, but could not suppose that, or any Pamphlet,
would be sufficient to lead captive the judgment of
the Members of that House, and to preclude them
from coming to a fair and deliberate discussion upon
any subjed.

Some further remarks were made by Lord CAS..
TLEREAGH, Mr..FOSTER, Sir W. YOUNG, Mr.
FULLER, Mr. W. DICKENSON, Mr. D. BROW E,
Mr. CALCRAFT, and Mr. PITT, in the course of
which Mr. FOSTER postponed his Motion, respecting
the Irish Linen, until to-morrow, Mr. PITT agree_
ing that it should be the first Order of the Day, and
adding that he would, without doubt, bring forward
his Motion for the second reading of the Military
Defence Bill, which was this day printed and cir-
culated.

The House divided upon the Amendment.
For the Original Motion . 74.
Against it 66
Majority-8
_ _ _

On the Gallery being re-opened,
Sir W. YOUNG was found upon his legs, He
spoke at considerable length against the principle of
the Bill, and observed, that it had existed from the
reign of King Charles the Se'cond to the present
period, during which time it had been of essential
benefit to the Revenue and Commerce of the Coun-
try ; he thought that it was a Bill of general fore-
closure coming to a hasty conclusion, and, therefore,
found it a duty incumbent on him to oppose it.

Sir RALPH MILI3A.NKE obserVed, that the
work of the plantations might be very well carried
on with the assistance of mules, asses, &c. and that,
by adopting the plan of only exading a moderate
portion of labour from the Negroes, their population
would considerably increase.

Mr. WM. SMITH expressed some degree of
surprise at hearing the Worthy Baronet who spoke
last but one declare, that he thought the House w”
coming to a hasty conclusion, when the Question
had been now sixteen years before the House, With
respect to the argument, that the population' of the
Sugar Islands could not possibly be kept up for want
of a sufficient number of females; he mentioned, that
it had accidentally fallen within his own knowledge,
within these few days, that an experienced Managrr
of a Plantation kad thought it necessary to buy fo
new Negroes to increase his stock during the last
year, and, upon inquiry, he found that he had chosen
those all boys. The inference was obvious ;
boys, or yo,ung men, were found best to answer
the purpose, and therefore they did not chose to
purchase that description of Negroes that was said
to be wanting to increase the population ; they had
rather purchase an addition, than go to the trouble
of rearing an addition to their stock. •
Mr. GIiENFEL spoke in favour of the Bill.

Sir.. NEGVPUR T declared, that it was his wish
to remove the stigma which such a Trade refireted
on us, as soon as possible. It was a traffic which
hiid its foundation in injustice and in blood, and
against such an abominable article of commerce, he
would ever raise his voice. • .

Fiat justitia ruat Ccelum.

T ---,TEMPLE obieded rn the discussion of the
Question in so thin a House, and recommended that.
even a week's time should be given for Members to
consider of the vast quantity of British capital that
was employed in the Wcst India Islands, and to
adopt some plan for the relief -of the Proprietors,
who might suffer by a too sudden Abolition of the
Trade. At all events, it was likely that other
Nations might take up the Trade if we left it off,
and therefore he should oppose the Bill in every
stage ; ..it would seal the death.waerant of every
white inhabitant of those Islands.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ;)b-:
served, that he had thought that the st,ljeti..had
become so hacknied, that there coIll;i not he any
thing new introduced upon it, The opinions
which the INTAbIe Lord had jast delivered had,
however, convinced him'of his error. He at first
seemed to beg for a week's more time, as if that
could be any objet in a business that had been so
many years under di,eussion. He then said, that
other Nations might undertake the Trade, though.
there was " not any other Nation that could spire
either the capital or the shipping that was ne-
' cessary for that purpose. And last, and most ex-
traordinary of all, he had said that the Abolition of the
African Trade would seal the death-warrant of all
the Whites. It was by ameliorating the condition of
the Negroes already in the Islands, that some degree
of attachment and fidelity to their masters was to be
produced, and not by the additional importation of
barbarous. and unenlightened savage Recruits, who
would be ferocious, vindictive, and untraaalde ;
who had fresh in their minds the idea of being torn
from their native. Country ; who could not possibly
have any_ attachment for their new masters, and
who were most unfit for even the most laborious
state lof civilised society. The old Negroes, or
those who were born in the Islands, were fami-
liarized to
,their situations, and in many instances a
would have degree of friendship for a master whom.
,they had long served, which would make then-k
shudder at the idea of any revolt against him. The
House had long since seen the danger of French re-
volutionary principles coming in contaa with the-
situation of Negro Slavery; and yet the Noble Lord
seemed to suppose that/they were to be: soothed by
the kindness of introducing new via ims, who were
useless in a domestic point o( view, and
.who, from
their barharoos: habits and utter ignorance of the
kindness and humanity of their new masters; would
not be so likely to do any thing to injure them, as
the oldservanti, who had experienced. their genero-
sity, and their feelings towards them even.in their.
degraded situation.

Dr. L AWR ENC E paid a just tribute.of praise to
the powers of the Right Hon. Gentleman iri. &eta,
oration. He, however, 'differed from him t
in opi-
nion as to the propriety of the Bill beforerthe HOW.
The conditiop of Slavery he thought bad in -a6i
COllRtrY, br with resPed to any description of human
beings. However, he could not think that the
mode now adopted for doing away that -state of
Slavery, was as sufficient to the purpose as .the other.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL lamented, that,
with all the Honourable an,l Learned Gentleman's
Anxiety for the Abolition of any state of Slotery2

he neither could bring his mind to agree to the into-e2r:
I sure now before the House, nor yet to bring ije, •
ward any new proposition for that purpose, . h s
however, covered himself in general terms 'sit so
recommendation of the other mode, as if
,it wade.
generally known, that there was no necessity to.
fine it, although that mode had .never before been
heard of, or at least, he had never had the OPPi, '
ness to he present. when it was described. a
Lard C4STLEREAGH opposed. the Bill, In
-
speech of considerable length. He thought the °.
jed intended, would be better obtained by insts/'
tuting some Viise and comprehensive sew-1131,4)9h;
, with a view to encourage the population 01 tse
Slaves. Encouragement might'be given also to tbn
importation of the same articles as those supplied by
the West Indies from other quarters ; and thus "'
diminishing the consumption of their produces re
• der-their demand for Slaves less urgent. A. dus,,tl
might also be imposed on the Importation of Slavi
which might be gradually increased, and-thus reale
he
the export profitable, while the import would be ,
contrary.— He thought the difficulties of the rest
t
es
India Planters already sufficiently numerous, Wtt.
out exposing them to the hazard of new estPerci:
ments. He resisted the measure in general,
count of what appeared tohim to be its impradbc"#
biliry. •
Mr. FOX, in a very argumentative Speech, 1
terspersed with repeated strokes of humours 'armsbl ye
isupportede
ntel
ri ea l mcaenars totrfe
the lolrep
ocnoemn pt
sl aoifo etdh
th
e
titian to introduce its impracticability, • "
fir.
;;°
stating any sa:isfaclory grounds for their OP" "if
The same argument had formerly been osjeliynit•
Noble Lord, now in the other House (LOO Lola
VILLE), whose worthy successor the Noble The
who had just sat down, seemed destined to be. on
Hon. Gentleman regretted that the arrangeMent3
the other side of the House 'seemed to be so ll'at cc
that the strength of those who had most idle%
in the House should not be united for this me3sur'
which was so warmly espoused by some of th' Genti
tlemen opposite. So dexterously did they acquit
themselves, indeed, in their several parts, that thc,_,
parts really seemed to be cast for therm; The Rib
talent of which he was possessed, the
Hon. CHANCELLOR, With all
was a second Marc
potter of the measure; but there
might be created by the first.
played, and which was
that was also necessary to be
to the influence tthal
calculated haft as an antidote eloquence arc'
formerly been assigned to a Noble Lord, not Othe
Member of this House, and was now filled WI 0
Noble Lord opposite, who, with the part, had he
Thwisasseacoznetali°p:s7
succeet?ed to the arguments.of .e.sksi,e4ssor.. of
Hon. Gent., then went into a minute discussicli
the different arguments that had been advanced 140,
hostility to the Bill, and particularly those of the 0,
ble Lord ; and after a very brilliant Speech, cuo,,
eluded by expressing the warmest hopes that the c°OL.,,
try would no longer- disgrace itself by such anhase
justifiable and 'dishonourable traffic, but woul4 role
the magnanimity and justice to set a laudable e%,81-fiac.
to the other Nations of Europe. If this B"6icat
seeded in passing the Legislature, he was CI tiger
that in five years the Slave Trade would be o° ,erity
known but as a subjea of history, and Ps' lead
would be astonished that ever. it should hay
existence. ctiee
Mr. WINDHAM admitted most readily theht
of the principle on which the Abolition was btoogicsi
forward and supported,
.but 541%# manydtfEcuir
tea'
that might occur in carrying the Measum.igro "ca
non. :He much doubted if .it might not be onsio,
duaive of very serious consequences to the narl
prosperity. He adverted to the influence Oros
ample was supposed to have, and did not see pss
the fun cif-ea of what had taken place in Sr' the
Toi-ogo could be yet ascertained. He supported
measure. 8•11,s
Sir LAWRENCE PARSONS WE, against he- Inc a.
la
Mt. W INDISAM and Mr. Fox severally exl'l
Mr. BAktimst spoke in favour of the mcasure.
Mr. DEVEREUX opssosed the Bill. . fly
Mr. WHITBREAD supported it, partieu•s Nos
plying his observations to those used by, rl'ed the
Gentleman (Mr. WINDHAM). He oferrc
time,
probability 'Of the Abolition of the Tradeii.n, . 1-10
by putting an end to Slavery in the Col°l-0654
contended, that if the Trade was suffered to oo;
it would 'he the means of our ultimately los—'-
West India possessions. gsinst
Mi. WI LB ER r oRCE spoke at some logth,3-"sihe
the opponents of the Bill ; on Mr. Wit4Pl,:iind
was particularly severe. He applied to biro - •
of Pope to Addison : •
bWho would not laugh, if such a Man there
e?
Who
‘vould not weep, if ATT/cu/ were bei
te novf
Heex •• di •deb (se 01'
presse satistatlion, that the ose
rested on the principle of Justice, and that s
was left wholly out of the quesl`°...
inanity
Mr. WINDHAM explained.
On the division for the second reading'
too
The Ayes were 4.2 5
Noes,.

Majority C°l"
On i the Question for calling in the Counsel'—
es
versation of some length ensued. The, ciditt,tl.'
was carried in the affirmative. But Mr. rtpara
on opening the business, pleaded a 'want °'
lion.on his own part, and that of his Colle3gA tho
'Their furthohearingiWaS therefore postPaneA%
next stage of the Bill.—The House adjourne".
o'anck.

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THE SUN.

401.1 M QUIS DICERS FALSUM AUDEAT

•
LONDON, JUNE 13, t8o4•

LIC
T FM Bill for the Abolition of the Slave Tra
was read a second time last night in the
House °I
C".1.41"34 after a very lung Debate, and a PiYi6i9fl;

which the numbers for the 13111 were too, and
Nvitist it 4.2.

YESTERDAY evening Paris Papers .to the 31st
alt. were received, which state That the trial of the
persons surposed to have been parties in the Con,
Spiracy against BoNAPARTE com'menced on the
29th. Many of the D,,cuments adduced as proofs
el the accused person, are given in the itioniew.
Tliere is also a Letter from Mcntriiir to BoNA-
PARTE, which may be considered as containing the
gertr4l' heads of his defence. The length Of the
"'rafts we have made, and of the Debate last
night, precludes us at 'present from offering any ob-
-Bervation upon the nature of the evidence adduced
against MoREAU and the other Prisoners.

Yesterday, about one o'clock, the Dvia of YORK
an audience of His MAJESTY. In the evening,
about six o'clock, THE la MAI ESTI es, in a post.
Xchariot, followed by the Ptt Nt MRS and DtTKE of
INT, in. two coaches and four, took an airing on
e Kent road.
Yest"rdaY His Royal Highness the DUKE_ of
RANT had a long interview with Lord-MELviLLE,
at the Admiralty.
A Board of Longitude sat yesterday several hours
at the
AliritaltY. for the purpose. of examining a.
is ",,,vented tim,t-keeper, by which the longitude
t'xr,t.ekt to be more clearly ascertained than be-
fore. Sir
Astronornerjo,Epei Royal Gree •
and Dr. MAsKELYNEI
nwtch, attended.
SAil Enca•mpment was to be formed on
milt Sea Cotnmon,ar ne this day
Portsmouth. The two
bein
regiments of heavy and light German Dragoons
(His g part of the Legion under the command. of
Rte, a, Highness the DUKE of CAMBRIDGE),
;ire to continue to occupy the BarraCks in the Count)
of Dorset. The.
—pments in the South..west.
Mastiff, will be confined to the neighbodrhomi of
Portsmouth.
Yesterday afternoon most of the Volunteers in the
Touter Hamlets astria, together with three Regi-
tots of the Loyal London Volunteers, amounting
the whole to about 6000 men, were exerc-iced•to-
6etilet as one Brigade.„ in the London.fieldsjiaCkney.
The following Gentlemen have been called to the
d'gree of Barrister at Law by the Honourable So-
,e'tY of Lino;ln's JOHN SINGLETON
i"Dtry, E, T • EvroN, GEoItGE.
q• H
4IARTLE'i El (l.
• q..
Cdpt. BUR LTON is appointed to. command the
41'ilzalzt, of sogunk, at Chatham ; and Capt. PICK..
atOlt E to the command of the Utrecht, of 64, guns,
Deal. •

t C4l Tuesday morning-last,- a Court. Martial vas
°ti board the Amethyst Frigate, for the purpose
at trying Capt. CsAgPB ELL, who was charged with
tniconclud by his Officers in an engagement he had
c'F„,", the 3d of March, with 'a French Brig, ay.,*
--Qoners, and a Corvette. The Court was eon?
(P);",(l°l.Admirai ROWL PreSitit lAI ; Ow PNI.
finin,rtahri; Capt. MARTIN, of the Glory;
liitouc.wroN. of the Penelope; Copt. ~iltz_
CEIELL. of the Zentand.—The evidence of the
1"-•rs1 Lieutenant, vtr.
Li Hitt, and the Second
,:utenant Mr. llALrotra, was only gone through
the first day. They, give a recital of the Ame-
tkyser proceedings from-her first falling in with the
meth;, until they entered the vott •
w f Berghiche are in possession of, but forbear.o to enter, into a
rthlic detail at present, lest it should.prejudice the
c;'use. Captain CAMPBELL cross-examined the
Witnesses hiinself, in an able manner.
It aprars by the Report of the Committee ap-
pointed to examine the Coin Laws, " that within
the last thirteen years the, enormous, sum of thirty
millions sterling has been paid for grain imported."
The alterations in the Corn Laws, recommended
in the Report of the Committee of the House of
Commons, have excited great alarm in Plreland.
t Du blin, Cork, Clonmel, Litnerkk, and other
have
more immediately interested, the. Merchants
nar Met, and entered into very strong 'Resolutions
against them, declariOg that e ulations, if
passed into a -Law, must inevitably gdestroy the
Corn Trade of their Country.
Sri Rictiatti? 'HILL ordered a discharge of can-
non at his country seat, in consequence of the
.
the Slave
mane issue of the late Debate teacBing
'Trade, This Gentleman is on all occasions con-
spicuotii for:aaive- and• enlightened hotnanity7
Tlie Marquis of.STAFF9a et, ac
;formation, of .a fasbiopahie Pritir cording the in-
is going, to trt4rried to the accomplished Lad CAT/lEL be
IN.E
LTON,. the second daughter of the Marquis of
.Jll'4lloll N. The Marquis of STAFFORD iS thus
;41,4 lly divorced, by a stroke of, the pet, from his
s:e4N'amiable Lady, formerly the Countess of
w
.R.LAND•
. .
a IC
TUAL 1;. it is said, has I;eetroffered fifty pounds
night by the Dublin Manager,- who has alScrof=
-er'd to Mrs. JORDAN a carte-blanche,
.•
STZPHIN KEMBLE has been invited by the
Manager'
ft of the Manchester Theatre to perform a
•vi.nights at that place. His Falstaff is become
''try popalar various places since it -has received
the stamp of London approbation. -
Thoughinurdertrs are to be excepted from the
4t,?4teily about to be granted by the new Emperor of
raiice to-his suhmisshre• subjeasi yet it is certain
that the -murderers tsf the Duke D'ENGHIEN, are
more-likely to meet with rewards than punishments.
On On the 1 -ti inst died at Hatton, in Essex, DP-
•
)4ALD CAstritata., ''.sq. of Batbreck, North Bri.
lain.

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.
Ar? extranidinary instance of the sapcitrand
uts
iitY of Crat useial animal the Dog, occurred. one
kl4y last wee', : A' Gentleman of Newcastle cross:,
.: ing the ford near Netherwitton,
Was thrown- fr(irn
• ; - his horse. in
tit' the midst of the current, which was
... • 'll nnninc, rapidly; and he would lam
' I 'hay tab y e
..._„.
~
a great.
(not being able to twim, and having
elnat' boots, &c.), had not a fine young Newfound-
:3nd dog, which had followqd him from town) leapt.
1910 the water, and dragged him safely to shore.