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WEDNESDAY, MARCH 9.

Co ut.lstr, were heard in continuation relative to the Irish
Appeal, Lt.ovn v. CRADv ; to peocced again on triclay.
Earls BATHURST, Foicrcseur,Wwron, and Lord Hvv—
elf N sort, %vele sworn, and took their seats.
'l'he various Bills before the House were forwarded in their
tespedive stages.•
The Order of the Day for taking His Majesty's
Message into consideration, being read,
Lord HOBART rose, to move an Address to His
Majesty on, the occasion. He observed, that he could
not entertain the smallest doubt with respect'to the
Motion which he should shortly have the hoeulur to
submit to the House. - He felt himself justified in
anticipating the most perfeel unanimity in the ere-
sant instance. A communication is made front the
Sovereign, that the most extensive Military Prcpa.
rations were making on the Coasts of France and
4.lolland, and also, that important discussions were
pending between His Majesty and the French Go.
verninent, the result of which was very
,uncertain.
In such a situation, he could hardly believe
,himself
justified in supposing that a difference of opinion
could prevail' as to the line of conduit proper or
necessary to be adopted. In a partial consideration
of the subjeel, be by no means wished tit disguise
from their LOrdships—indeed it was a point of
which they must in general be well aware, namely,
that, there existed reasons for thinking that the
state of certain of the French possessions abroad
was such as might warrant or
.call for the Prepara-
-tiotts that were making by France, independent of
anyhostile designs which possibly might be harboured
by her Goverttment ; but they must also at the same
time see, anti feel for the situation of their own
Country ;.and that, while discussions of the utmost
iinportance are depending, they could not be justi.
feed in not taking those precautions which the
securityand honour of the Country required.—With
respeel to -gni detailed exposition of those discus..
sions, he -could hardly think, that at the present
time, any thing of the kind could with any shadow
of propriety be expetted from him.—He conceived
it sufficient to say in the present, instance, that he
saw no necessity fur the discussions not terminat-
ing satisfaelorily ; at the same time, it must be
veiledly obvious to the House, that it was the
, duty of Mini4ters to be prepared for the alter,
native. It was certainly the earliest wish of
Ministers not to see the tranquillity which
subsisted between the two Countries interrupted :
hut they at the same time hoped that nothing would'
be wanting on the part of the Country to enable
them to maintain that tranquillity in a way con-
sistently with the Honour, the Security, and the
trite Interests of the British Nation, the spirit, the
energy, and the resources of which, he doubted not,
would be successfully exerted on such an occasion as
the present. Under these impressions, he would no
longer detain their Lordship*, but move an Address
to His Majesty o,n the occasion of his most gracious
Message. The Noble Secretary of State then moved
the Address, which was couched in the usual form,
echoing His Majesty's Message, and fraught with
assurances of the cordial support of the House.
On the Message being read from the Woolsack,
and the question- ut,
Earl SPENCkR rose, chiefly, if not entirely,
for the purpose of signifying his full approbation
of the proposition just now made by the Noble
Secretary of State. He anticipated, with the Noble
Lord, the .most perfeet unammity.on the occasion,
and felt with him cordially as to the right line and
system of condud o Welt was proper to be pursued
sm such a crisis as the present., He also felt that in
the relative situation of Great Britain and France,
there existed circumstances that, under whatever
degree of uncertainty, .called for the measures at
lengrh resolved upon by. His Majesty's Ministers.
The present crisis in which this Country was in-
volved, he held to be of that importance and magni-
tude, as to render him confident that there was not
a man in that House, or scarcely an individual
-the Country who would not join in offering ,to spill
the last drop of their blood, or to spend their last
shilling in support of its Honour and its most men_
chi!, Interest : for,his own parta after the uniform
and decided opinions he hid so frequently given,
as to the relative situation of the two Cuuarries, it
could be little expeded that it firm and vigorous
system of condutishould
.not meet his full assent and
approbation. lie could not, however, at the'same
time: avoid observing, that he should feel more sa-
tisfatlion, if the Noble . Secretary of Stare bad,
not only for the satisfadion of the House, but for
that of the Public and the Country, explained a lit-
tle fuller the situation of the moment, and adverted
to those circumstances which have produced such a
Sudden and marked alteration in the tenor and cont.
plexion of His Majesty's Councils` and Measures.—
He would repeat, that his own opinions on these points
had been loth; formed. He was perfectly satisfied, that
a system of eonduti nice. that now resolved upon
by Ministers, was that most likely to conduce to
the preservation of Peace, 'a wish in which all true
Friends of their Country must unite. A system of
firmness and vigour was much more likely to ensure
the continuance of Peace, than that line of conduit
heretofore adopted by Ministers. Indeed,- in his
opinion, the only chance that now restrained for the
preservation of that blessing, was the effid of the
measures now praposed: of Concession, and attempts
at soothing our late Adversary, we had too much..
Were the line of conclud adopted earlier, in all human
probability no necessity for it would exist At the pre-
sent moment. However, as matters stood, he hailed
this first appearance of spirit and vigour in the Na-
tional Councils with joy and gladness, as the only
means left for our salvation. He had at present
nothing farther to offer; but upon an occasion of such
great importance and magnitude, he could not give a
silent vote, consistently with his feelings of duty,
or the dictates of his c ,oscienee.
Lord GRENVILLE said, he had but a few words
to offer on the present occasion. He cordially
agreed with what fell from his Noble Friend who
spoke last ; but, like him, the part he had always
takeh with iesped to similar discussions, prevented
him from giving a silent vote. He thought with
his Noble Friend, that the adoption of the system
vois abut to be acted upon, was the only, one that

eould preserve the Blessings of Peace to the Cotlits+:)
try. , He its like rise' of opinion that a system -1
cif ftetunes_and digrpty,lfearlieir.a4ed upon, would
have ensured the cutifinuanee of Nate, and certain..,
ly have obviated the necessity of suth an incipient
system at 'present. • It was, he was firmly -can-
vinccd, Only because such a system was not earlier
adopted, that the continuance of
.Peace was now..
questionable.. However, • its adoption cven-now,
would afFord to. the ;Country the best chance for the
maintenance of that ..blessing7-but at ,the same
time, he had to observe, that the concitiet of NIL
nisters in the 'present crisis 'should ,be such, as
to enable . the Country to feel and know its real
by which means, if the injustice of
our Adversary rendered it necessary to forth
the full powers and resources of the Country, they
could be used with the greatest vigour and effed.
.The reasonings of that day were warranted by the
experience dt the
.last eighteen months—they had
seen the consequences, resulting from a System of
concession and meanness; in Which all their.at...
tempts at conciliation only elevated the arrogance
and the .pretensions of the French Government. If
there was'any chance remaining for the preservation
of Peace, it would proceed from the measures now
'resorted to; at the saute time, it was with regret
he had to consider,qhat in consequence of the former
conduEl of Ministers, if we were now driven to the
alternative of War, we should,have to meet a state
of war under great and Many .disadvantages. Ces.
sions the most important anti valuable had been
made' with a view to operations either of an often.
sive or a defensive nature ; these considerations
should not withhold his concurrence' from the present
,Motion. On the contrary, he rejoiced at. this first
appearance'Ufsound political wisdom, and vigorous
determination on the part of Ministers. He hoped I
auCh a system would be afted upon with due energy
and perscVeiance: Upon the whole, the, Motion
had his hearty concurrence ; and he was confident
there could be no' difference of opinion in that
House on such an occasion. They were in the'pre-
sent instance simply called upon to concur in mea.
.sures for strengthening the hands of the King with
necessary powers, at 4 crisis wherein discussions of
acknowledged importance and, magnitude were pend.
ing—tlie result. of which, was .known to be uncer-
rain-r-they were called upon no farther. His Lord-
ship concluded with expressing his hearty assent to
the Motion.

The Earl of 11101 RA, in expressing generally
his concurrence in the Motion, observed, that hii
support was rather qualified by the seeming back.
wardness in the Noble Secretary of State, to give
that degree of explanation, . which he thought ne.
cessary, and at the same time unexceptionable; there
were of course certain reservations, and these ,prO.
ceeded chiefly upon the following grounds :
they were by no means satisfied that the
causes which incinced Ministers to come as they
now did, did' not exist even long before ; the con.
dui} of the French Government in many respals
was well known. They were also unsatisfied whe.
cher the crisis said to be now.arrived might not
have been prevented or obviated, if earlier taken up,
and the attention of Parliament called thereto, At
the close of the last Session, no serious apprehensions
from our late Enemies were declaredly entertained
by Ministers, though, notwithstanding those sicela.
rations, they thought it necessary to propos:: an in.
crease of our Establishment. At that tittle every thing
was doing or done in France, as fully as at the present
moment when such serious apprehensions seemed to
be entertained. They should be given to understand at
least what it was that had thrown such a new colour
on the pretensions of the Enemy ; what charge these
was in the situation of France, or in the tone held by
its Ruler. .Some intimation of these should at least
be given, in order to enable them to judge of the
extent of the proceeding now going on. Perhaps
to a certain degree these explanatioes might be de.
dined, on the ground that speaking too fully out.
might give umbrage to the Ruler of France.—Uniz
brage to
,that new Hannibal) who, has sworn on
the altars of insatiable Ambition, an eternal en.
mitr to this Country ! He would ask, has this
man never shewn any disposition to induce unfavour..
able sentiments and conduit, on the part of others,
against this Country? After expatiating some time on
the manifest disposition of the First Consul of France
against this Country, he contended, that we should
place ourselves: oath; defensive, but id a dignified
attitude ; that we should be prepared for the worst ;
that we should betray no marks whatever of de.
sponderice or dismay, but come forward manfully.,
and shew ourselves not afraid of the result .of the
alternative of War. A genuine and useful spirit
should be shewn by our Government, 'and not an
empty parade bf valour, for if the Fitst Consul had
really advanced so tar in his system, as avowedly
to render such precautionary measures necessary on
.the part of our Government, he bad lost all,hope
ofits stopping there ; their cunduet in such case
should be such, as in effect to appeal to the
sense of the 117reeeh Nation ',against the ambit*
and injustice of its Ruler, to let them. fairly see
and decide, whether, in consequence of the head-
strong passionaof one man, they would be willing
again to plunge into all the calamities of War.
The effeil of such a line of 'conduit, if any thing
of that kind could, would be to restrain the am.
bition of the .First Consul, and to induce him
seriously to pause before he should proceed to ex-
IfealitiCl. A decided tone, and vigorous system of
policy on our parts, would more than any other be,
likely to prevent hostilities between the two Coon,
tries. Such, in fail, as would have the effect, cam".
paring little things to treat, of preventing a quarrel
between any two manly Englishmen.. "On such tenni
should wish to remain at Peace i- , but set your foot
on such place, aod I shall consider it as the signal
for instant War !" Such a mode would best con-
duce to the preservation of Peace; even with a
Country governed, by the most despotic ruler."--.
With respell to any important objefts in a train of
Negotiation, lie confessed it might be improper
now to inquire ; but he hoped, that information re.
spelling those would, as soon as predicable, be laid
before the House, as the people should, as soar, as pos.
sible, be apprized of their real situation. Considering
the subject in another point olview, and urging the
policy of vigorous preparation, hisl.fordship observ-
ed, that We should not caudate upop the attempts of,
BoNAPAitilij according to these principles or

of conduCt which aftuate any other man.—We
Sittii(44.Make up our minds, as-to the probability at
least," of attempti' upon this Country but for
these 'l've should 'be..prepated—we should look the
=danger full in the face, and mOre; we should let
our adiersaries- know that we are so deter-
mined: Their bpasr,. that England cannot contend
:single.handed against France, should not go un.
-noticed :- they might have against
us. was perhaps when we were encumbered with
what they would call assistance.—But how stood
the fael P It 'Was,- that-when we were single-handed
with France we. were always successful, and of
this he thbught his Noble Friends near him (Lords
NELSON and HuTcHrrisarirafforded a good praeli-
cal 'illustration. But above all, our Adversaries
should
.be made to understand, that if contending
with them in this Country, we most confidently
looked for signal and decisive success. In such a'
possible coutingency, the safety. of the Capital
should be especially • looked to. We should not
talk of the imprattiCability of IniaSion we should
consider the extent of Coast possessed by, as- well
as the diameter of the Adversary we had to con-
tend with.• Therefore, what was possible was prac-
ticable, and what, was practicable we should consider
as likely to be attempted. We sliould consider that in
such a contest, we. should be playing our last stake.
Such a contest should not be managed under a cdrn-
mon.place system, or official pra&ice of War—if so,
we were lost indeed ! bur tire strength, the resources,
the energies of the People and the Country, Should'
be called firth and fairly brought into aelion. The
first object of the Enemy in a descent, would doubt..
letisle the capital k ita security should be first looked ,
to.ssss A great and powerful Army should he stationed
betiv.tseosit and the Coast—this, he.would wish to be
undetitood ; and so circumstanced, he was of '
nion, the Officer commanding. the British Force
ought to lose his head, if he did not [so we understood
his Lordship) come to an .action with the Enemy
before they reached the Capital. In such a crisis, the
destruCtion of one Army ought to be risqued against
that of the other. After dwelling upon these points,
and urging the necessity of securing the Capital,
especially from attack, which among other ill alas,
the temporary elevation it might give to the few
dlsafFeded spirits, should be guarded against, he
again' urged the superior policy of vigorous prepara.
tions, and . a -determination to be prepared for the
worst, and above. all, to assume that tone and atti.
tude which Should convince the Enemy that. no'
'wieder that should set, his foot in thiS Country,
should be suffered to return to tell of his fate,
The Earl of WESTMORL AND made a' few,
observations upon, the general subject. He con.
tended, that Great 13ritain was of herselfamply
capable of asserting her .honour, maintaining ,het
dominions, and preserving her independence. In
such a contest, she needed no ally. Let Republics
Court the alliance, or unite themselves 'to the Great
NatiOn, the KingdOM Of Great Britain, under the
auspices of : its Sovereign, aided by the spirit
and resources of its People,' would stand atone, and
in a dignified attitude. It was then unnecessary,
as well as obviously improper, to enter into the
discusSiOn of certain points adverted to by the-No:
ble Earl, though in ants,eLci- poria a Vkw tbs. for.
bearance of that 2,-':ohle-Lord to inquire was highly
entitled to approbation. lie trusted that due
confidence would heplaced in Ministers on the pre.
sent occasion, as it was but fair to deem of them,
that they would not rashly throw away those
Blessings Of Peace which they so greatly 'exerted
themselves to attain and secure. He could asittre his
Noble Friends, that His Majesty's Ministers were
as anxious for the preservation of those blessings as
any men possibly could be,
*- Lard AUCKLAND' followed on the same side :
Be expressed hist conviCtiop 'that the Steps lately
adopted, were not Unadvisedly taken; and that no
Wish -whatever was -entertained by Ministers to
plunge the Country again into the calamities 'Of
War. He ,adverted' to the colossnl strength: of
France,. and to the great extent of her Continental
PoSseslitins or Infltence,, and. scouted the princioe
advanced on the part of Vrancei that, Great Britain
had no right to interfere in the concerns of the'Cori.
anent; :There wo*sekfal,instances, as illustrated
by his Lord Ship in argument, where the interfer.
ence;would be not .only justifiable, but
laudable.
After commenting some. on the prosperous si-
tuation and circumstances olthis CountrY,, and her
ability, in every point of". view, successfully to
cope • with France, his.,Lordship adverted parti-
cularly to the Financial, concerns of England,
which, he observed, it was of late so 'much the
praCtice to depreciate in France: .it was to evince
w th; world, and to that Conotry in parti-
cular, the unprecedented prosperous Financial
,si-
tuation of this Country; that he moved for the va-
rious Accounts which were then before the House.
To establish the positions adverted to, the Noble
Lord 'entered into a variety of financial calculations,
from which he deduced, that the Country now pos.
sassed, after the discharge of Debt,' 1m Al/come of
nut less than S,>venteen Millions a.year. This in-
come, in consequence df various operations, was
increasing from day, to day ; that a rapid pregress
was snaking in the liquidation of Debt. Added to
these considerations was the immense Territorial
PoscesssionsofGreat Britain; particularly in the East
Indies, and which naturally incrased the magnitude
of her strength and resources. These were leading
and important fafts, which his Lordship observed,
could not be too generally known, and with a re.
ference to that publicity, he originally proposed the
discussions he had alluded to.

Mtcr A'few vvordi.in eXplanation between Lords
MOIRA and AUCKLAND, the question was put, the
Address was'voted diss:'and the Lords, with
white staves, ordered to wait upon'His 'Majesty fr.
speaing the same.—Their Lordships then dtijoaro-
ed till to-morrow.

ROUSE OF COMMONS.

WIIDNittiDAY, MARtil 9♦

The SPEAK tit took the Chair at three 'o'clock, when
much Private Business was dispatched.
. .

SeVera! Members were sworn in and took their seats.

Lord Au" pov an , one of the Committee appointed to try
the merits of the 13ridgew3ter Eleaion, had leave of absence
for a month.
The Howe resolved itself into a Committee of the whole
Houscon the Mutiny bill,'Anti the itepott wit* ordered to be
recetyett to-morrow.

Mr. E /UK FIVE rose, and in a very neat Speech,
observed, that he had authorit;.. from His Royal
Highness the Pt ince of Wales, to request (be Noble
Lord, Poaeii£sTvit, not to pursue the Notice which
lie had given a few es-enings ago, with re:.pea to an
additional Grant to the 'Prince of
Waits : that
August Personage had commanded him to inform
the .House, that His Royal Highness had not given
lhis-concurrenco, to .his Lordship's .Notice, andit,svas
the particular wish of the Prince, that nothing fur. •
cher should be pursued with respea to Ms present
situation,---fromthe-Unsetrted state-of Public Affairs;
His Royal Highness had expressed .his high appro,
bation of the wisdom and goodness of the Huusii
to his melt-are. and--dignity. He said, the, Prince,
had- given a grand example of public condua
economy, in rejecting thoselottforts his Friends were
about to make to add additional splendor to the
Prince's 'elevated station. Mr. ERSKINE said, he
was prepared to say, that His Royal Highness was .
perfettly satisfied with His Majesty's paternal good-
ness, and the liberality of Parliament; and that the
great objea he had in view in, bringing forward his ,
Claim, was to convince the Public he had not been
a burthen to them, Ever since the Bill in the year
.1795, His Royal Highness, bad acquiesced in the
wisdom of Parliament, and had sustained his present
unpleasant situationduring the Whole -Warwithout •
making any
ne-
cessary, he said,. to make these 'observations, that
application-to the Houses—it was
no improper and false impression should he made on
the public mind, 'with respea to the condua of His
Royal Highness, who had nobly waved the agitation
of any questioeconneaed with his dignity
and future
comfortb, for the consideration of those affairs con-, ,
neaed with the safety and honour of the Nation which
called for immediate discussion ; and he did nut doubt
but every individual who was acquainted with the
conductand politics of the French Nation would give
his support to the House and the Nation, M at*
fending the Liberties and dignity of the British
Sulijett ; for hied If, he said, lie would give evert
farthing he ItatraSquired for maintaining of his fa-''
ashy, to repel the base attacks of an enemy, a. 04.
shed liis last drop of blood in the defence of 'his.
Country.
. Lard PORCIIRSTER said, he had- no objeett°3
for the present to subscribe to the wish of the,.
Prince of Wales, but that lie should not entialy
abandon his principle; which was so necessary., fur
the support of the elevated station of his A ligoti!
Personage. The -Ptince had given another;amung"
:the number of instances, of the dignity., Of his Mittsli •
in.waving the consideration of his own private 0)01-
forts for the public good, and leafing hi; affitito6..
a-di:iconcerte4 state, fur the:safety and proteElioU
of the Subjea, with whom he is an Oka of uni-
vernal admiration and C4iCefll.

StiERIDAN rost, but 012. Sr EAK Er. 4aid, there
was no question before the House.

HIS WO EST‘"s MESSAGE:
The CIiA,NCELI.LiR . al the Excitsotrett otoves!)'
that the Order of the Dav for taking into consideraio,
lion His Majesty's roost gracious Message, be now.
..
read ; which being done, and the Message read by
the SegaKea, hi moved, " That this Message he .1
now taken into.e4snvideration." Ordered.
i.-4-... ~ ..t.Lavo.si.4.oß .0/ Me, tyfic ihca ORR
then rose, to paoposa an Address in ean.,q afro
His ":-
His Majesty's most gracious Messiige, which ill 6'
House had'just heard read from the t:tetir, and he
felt peeledly confident that the 'aPPe"l which Hid.',r_iL
Majesty had thereby made to the wisdom, the Ptll7:
tic spirit, the'liberality, and the fortitude of his
Parhament, bad not . been made in wain. .Thelc
were two points to which His Majesty's Message
referred
of
fFrancie
.and
dt
loifulriainli,tia:varnrtetpialeraotitiislieirs,onoteheDCoscaus,tis.„
skin now subsisting between ',His. Majesty and die,.
Government of France : either of 'those points, is
parately considered; would have required a yea.;
degree Of vigilance; and eircilinspeaion, on the Part
of Hii Majesty's Government ; but both combined,
required still more of that vigilance and attention.,
It had been stated to the Houle' by His Majesty,
that the preparations in the Ports of France and'
Holland,. are . avowedly direded frir the .purpose.
of. Colonial Seivices., That, Mr. ADDINGTO.S. ,
said, it was possible, and, he hoped, *probable,
WAS the purpose of these Armaments ; but on the
authority_of Hii Majesty' ,it was also stated, there
were discussions- of great importance still subsisting,
the result .of which must, as it wai' obvious to, the
Houie, be uncertain ; His Majesty had therefore,
made his gracious communication to the House, for
the House must be aware, that however inotrensiii
these•Artuaments might avowedly. be toWards use
yet•they might,
.under circumstances, be applied to
another purpose, and which it'WaS.' of the utmost
importance to our interests to 'Countered. With.
rasped to the, discussion referred to in this Majes-,
ty's Message, he trusted the I louse would not .471":
pest that. he should enter into the,nature, still let*,
the detail of that discussion ; but_he.had the satiti.-:,
ladion of thinking that the result of that discusslois
might. be consonant to the true interests of this
Country ; if, however, unfortunately, such bilould
not be the result, His Majesty, conscious of the
goodness of the Cause, head expressed a determination
to refer to the great resources of the Couritry,, the
witioin of the Councils, and the pride of the Na-
tion, in support of the Honour of his Crown, and the
essentialinterests.of his People. If that unfortunate.:
ly should be the result, the House might be assured
they should be possessed of every topic which could
cast light on.every subjed which might be desired
to come under discussion, on the condud of His M'''
jesry'a Govetnment from the moment of the }Win'
cation of the Treaty of Andeils to the present mornent•
With regard to the nature of the measures to h',
adopted in consequence of the present state (I
things, he was not disposed to enter, at present'
into that subject, but It would readily -occur to thcf.
House, that there should he some augmentation 01
His Majesty's Naval Force, and probably some in':
crease to our internal security, for the latter pars
of which he bad reason to imagine that an intiteta•
don would be
.made by His Majesty to his ratii,al
ment, that he had resopred for that purpose to tr
Constitutional Force, by embodying the 1111ilitl!"
It would indeed be matter of regret, that too
r
who had employed. themselves during a-long vv.,l"
and had already done so much, should now be ct!!_l
on to make additional' sactificcs, but he hail 1
",