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measure ; and it is irepossible for any human being
to assert, with any consisteocy, that this Force can
be.daegerato, while at the same time it is by far
more itacful than th,e Milhia. Some Gentlemen had
gchie back to the Bill of Rights, and some measures
tha't were adapted in the reign of James the Second.
Pot they seem to forget what the principle of the
Lid of Rights is, which stipes, that no Standing
Ataxy sliall be kept up in tine of Peace, without
the con Sent of Parliament. Now, how call I be ac_
cased of violating that principle by augmenting the
Starelieg Army in time of war, and with the consent
of Parliament, especially when the Force proposed
to he raised is to be disbanded at the close of -the
War ? Seme have no objection to a- large Army
during tie War, but wished that it should be dta-
b.toded in time of Peace.; but if no provisipo is made
iitne of Peace, .how is it to be raised to the proper
point upon the breaking out of war, in case of any
emergency It is imfossilele ro look at the present
alto Ilion of Europe without being convinced that
it till be necessary for this Country to become a
more Military Nation than at any former period of
unr history. If the Army is disembodied in time
co Peace, it is impossible to obtain a proper Foree to
carry on War. Let the House. reflect what were
their feelings at the beginning of the Present War,
aid tken say, Whether it is not absolutely neces-
saty to cur security, that some means should be
adopted for affording a speedy and permanent supply
to the Regular Troops ? We cannot, therefore, de-
pend aokly on the Regular Army, but must, of ne-
crssity; in the present circumstances of Europe, have
some force in reserve. If we are to have a large
A r:ny in time of War, it is necessary that we should
have a large one in time of Peace; but the force
Ttu', proposed to he raised has this advantage, that
• it may be disembodied in time of peace, and the
People may return to their various employments.
Bat, even in time of war, can the Hots. Gentleman
think that the British Soldier is a mere Spartan
Soldier, totally engaged in war, and devoid-of the
feelings of a British Citizen ? Gentlemen, in their
objections to this Bill, seem to argue as if 74,000
men were to Le raised for this Force; but is ought
to be recollected, that only ib,ooo men were want-
ing, as the rest were either procured, or about robe
procured already. It is not, certainly, expected that
this Force should be raised all at once. It will, no
doubt, require some lime ; but there are good
grounds for confiding in the efficiency of the mea-
sure, which ought, at all events, to have a fair trial.
As to the difficulty stated, of procuring a sufficient
number of Commissioned and Noncommissioned
Officers for the number of men proposed to be raised,
this certainly applied with equal force to the former
Plan, and, indeed, is essential to any mode of Re.
cruiting to any considerable extent, for the Regular
Army, and, therefore, it amounts to nothing as a
particular objection to this Bill. If, as it is gene-
rally admitted, it is necessary to enlarge the Army,
it is surely right, in the present circumstances of the
Country', to begin that increase as soon as possible.
Every experience under the Army of Reserve At
shelved thai the present Bill was likely to be success.
ftl, and attraet men to enter, when they would have
obj.ttions to do so fur General Service. Being
once entered they will gradually become acquainted
with the military life, and will, by a natural opera-
tion of causes, without any kind of deception, be
the more readily induced to enter into the Regular
Service. Without, however, attending, in the first
instance, to its effect in Recruiting the Regular
Army, it will immediately have one beneficial con-
sequence, namely, that of setting free a portion of
the Regulars nearly corresponding to the numbers
raised, which are now locked up in defensive service
in England, Ireland, Guernsey, and Jersey. The
next consequeece will be, by a slight and natural tran-
sition, great numbers will enter into the Regular
Army, and constantly supply its wasting numbers.
That it will be successful to its objects, the example of
the Army of Reserve system held out the hest ground-
ed hepe. 'The Plan promises to raise men more ex-
peditiously than any other mode we are acquainted
with ; at the same time it is free, from the evil
consequence of high bounty, incident to the Army
of Reserve system, which induced many to desert
from the Regulars to enlist in the Army of Reserve,
and then to desert again for the repetition of the
Bounty. This great and increasing evil, it is mani-
fest, will be totally correded by means of the regu-
lation of the present Plan, which diminishes, and
.renders fixed, the Bounty both for limited and unli-
mited service. From the first circa of a redudion of
Bounty, it is natural to exped some check in the
.numbers recruited, but this circumstance will soon
correct itself; and when the recolleCtion of high
Bounties is worn away, the Service will-thrive as
much with a diminished and fixed bounty, as it does
at present with a higher and uncertain one. Be
this, however, as it may, the House having already
come to a resolution against high Bounties, the ex-
periment must be made It is obvious they have
no other choice, having once made up their minds
that high and fluctuating Bounties were to be
diminished, and -rendered stationary. Against
this diminution of Bounty, it is to be seen under this
Ilan, what may be the inducement of limited service
and local influence, the benefit of which I doubt not
%yid fully counterad the evil otherwise to be appre-
hended from a decrease of bounty. This measure
being already determined on by the House, I must
take it for granted that there will he no ohjedion to
this Pion on that account, but rather, on the contrary,
that it will on that account meet with general appro-
bation, It has, however, been said,.with respect to
another discrintinatiog feature of the Bill, that by
striking out the bah it, I had destroyed. the only ef-
fectual part of my own Plan, I must, however, ask
Gentlemen gravely to consider the subject a little
farther before hey urge objections of that nature :
whatever the Plat) was originally in my mind, the
House has decidedly expressed its dissent, both to
high bounties apd ballot, so that, however desirable
either might he on general principles, yet with re-
vea to this measureohey were equally inadmissible;
and therefore, though efficiency is desirable, it is only
to be extracted in prorortion to the opportunity left
us to make use of. With respett to recruiting the
Allay, let it be reconciled, there were on'y four
possible modes : The usual mode of Recriiiting
for Bounty by the Uilicers of the Regular Service;
Recruiting by limited tisititity tied local influence,
Cs=l,hin,ed out by this Pew; 3d, Recruiting by ban,
;Ut and c0mp...1:44m, now !,,ctierally exploded as an .

Oppressive -system; and 4th, Recruiting by personal
-wihout the possibility of substitutiol, a
mode yet tri:re objeCtionable. In times of great
emergency, this latter mode may doubtless be re-
sorted to, but, in grneral, it has a rigour not suited
to the habits and feelings of the Country. Suppos-
ing, as is the case, that the first of these modes is
not sufficiently produCtive, and a greater force is
wanted, we must, of necessity, have recourse to the
second ; the third and foUrth being, as has been
shewn, of a nature not, at least in the first instance,
to be resorted to. In adopting the second mode, it
is also evident that the first, that, of mere simple
recruiting, remains wholly unmolested, and has a
concurrent operation. Under the present Plan we
have all the benefit of what may he called regular
recruiting; and add to that, whatever may be ob-
tained by the secondary mode.—lf any other Plan
equally produaive, and as little objectionable, •can
be suggested, I can have no possible wish but to
adopt it : none such, however, has been suggested,
and, perhaps, it is not presuming too far to con-
clude that none such can be found. According to
the regulations, as laid down in the provisions
of this Bill, the newly-adopted system with re-
spect 'to the Army of Reserve, will in no degree
interfere with the higher bounties left to the
Regular Service. It has been said, however,
that whatever provisions the Bill may enact, in
point of of ea, the regulations to prevent high boun-
ties will be avoided. I will ask, Gentlemen, how that
evasion is likely to take place ? The inhabitants of
every Parish are interested in preventing any more
being given than the regulations, as they must make
it good by rates : there remains, therefore, only to
suppose, that a few individuals in a Parish may raise,
by private subscription, a sum to be so applied.
Now, neither of the'se modes were at all likely to oc-
cur." He then entered into a defence of several other
provisions of the Plan, and very ably shewed the
invalidity of the objections urged by Opposition,
which he thought more stimulated by hostility to His
Majesty's Ministers than any defects or errors of the
system now proposed to be adopted. Whatever
might have been expeaed by the sanguine imagi-
nation of Gentlemen, the measure, such as it was,
perfeitly fulfilled every expectation that his own
words on any former occasion had given ground for ;
and, with respect to the general vigour on the part
of Government, the want of which in the former
Administration, he, among others, had noticed and
condemned, one of the corredives to that inefficient
system was the calling out Into actual service a
large portion of the Volunteers. This, bet would
inform the House, had been done : not less than
140 or iso,ooo men of this description had been
on permanent duty, which made them at least as
efficient as an increase of one half, or, at least, as
one-third of their number would have been. This
measure, in addition to the present plan for an
increased and permanent establishment of Military
Force, for limited and unlimited service, embraced
every °Ned for the Army that he had stated as de-
sirabre. 'The Navy also was in other and more able
hands. Without idly comparing Lord MELViLL
to Lord ST. VINCENT as a Seaman, he might be
allowed to say, that the former would make a far
better First Lord of the Adtnitalty than the latter.
Nothing in the Bill, .nothing in the state or conduit
of the Administration, was different or incon-
sistent with any thing he had ever said or held out.
He was, however, no enemy to a fair and full dis-
cussion of the present Bill, which, he trusted, would
help to place- it in its true and proper light, and make
apparent the permanent advantages it possessed.
The character and nature of the Opposition was in-
teresting to some,and was made entertaining byothers
(Mr. SHERIDAN).—It was not surprizing this Gen-
den= had now come forward with some brilliant re-
partee, as hitherto he had said nothing upon it, and
might possibly,while theywere discussing the Clauses
in the Committee, have been forming the Speech
with which he had that night amused the House.—
Something had been said that night relative to the
present Administration ; but it was strange they
should be arraigned with such acrimony on their
very first measure, and before its general character
had taken any distindiv.e shape. This eagerness to
arraign and condemn, pointed out, in pretty intelli-
gible terms, the object and motives by which the
Opposition were aituated, and left the House and
Country in no doubt as to its true charader. An.
other subject had also been alluded to—the forma-
tion of the present Ministry. This was rather a de-
licate subject for him to speak on. As to one ma-
terial point, he need only refer to the words made
use of by an Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Fox),
about three months ago. That Gentleman had
said, that though Parliament had a right to exer-
cise its judgment on the conduit of Ministers, and
on just grounds to withhold its confidence from them,
yet that he knew his duty well enough not to agi-
tate, in that House, the question of who might suc.
ceed them. It was a matter which the Constitution
left wholly in the choice and decision of the Crown,
and in the exercise of that Prerogative he should
in no case interfere. The House, lie had contended,
might say, when a Minister was unfit to continue
any longer to be a Servant of the Crown, but who
was to succeed him, he had admitted, was the clear
undisputed Prerogative of the Crown to declare. This
having been his opinion, openly and unequivocahy
pronounced, is it nut rather strange, that on the
first appearance of that Minister, and befOre he
had carried forward any one aft to characterize his
Administration, the Honourable Gentleman should
take measures to associate with parties to produce
his Resignation, as the Opposition of this night was
avowedly intended to produce ? Though the Right
Hon. Gentleman had, as he expressed it, given
a hint to that effea, he would frankly tell him the
hint was not broad enough for him to take, lie,
thought and trusted the Bill would pass with large
and increasing numbers. If he should be mistaken
in that opinion, he should lament it as a loss to the
Public; but should only consider that circumstance
as a confidential difference of opinion, and tar from
containing any decisive sentiments of the House or
Country concerning the character or conduct of the
present Administration. He should consider it
purely as a difference on a particular measure, not-
withstanding the vf.il and interest manifested by
;he regular confederacy of Opposition. He did not
decy that it vias his wish to form an Administration
oit as wide ;,ntl ex ithded a scale as possible ; hut never
did he assert that may individual, be lie who he tray,
was of such cons;.qiir:oce Os 10 supersede the flee

exercise of the just and Undisputed Prerogative of
the Crown. His Majesty was to decide on that
point with an uncontrolled choice, and was wholly
at liberty to seled and leave out whom he pleased.
To deny this dodrine, was in effect to destroy one
of the most essential :fundamental points of our ye't
Monarchical Constitution. He had been at issue
upon this subject before, and his opinion remained
wholly unaltered and permanently fixed. He trust.
ed, in what he had said (looking at Lord TEMPLE),
he had spoke sufficiently guardedly, and should not
be misrepresented. It was with great regret he was
obliged to differ on this subjed from those relatives
for whom he had great affedion and esteem. He
wished, with all possible humility, to remind them
of the favourable opinions they had expressed of
him not very long ago, when think;ng higher of
him than he did of himself, they had called for his
return to office, singly and unconditionally, and said,
that circumstance alone would re-inspire them with
confidence and .command their support. He hoped
that nothing on his part had,since that time,forfeited
their good opinion; they had frequently and publicly
declared, that if His Majesty were advised to include
him in his Councils, they should look on the affairs of
the Country with better hope,and bestow on the Go-
vernment that confidence which, under different cir-
cumitances, they were compelled to withhold. He
was much at a loss to know what could have now so
much changed their opinion of him, as, when called
to the office they had so urgently wished him to till,
to decline that assistance and co-operation he had
wished to obtain. He then defended those Mem-
bers of Administration who, having voted for the
former Plan of Mr.ADDINGTON, now voted for this.
This condott, he thought, was not inconsistent ; the
former being not now to be had, they might cer.
tainly think the present Plan better than nothing
at all. They might also, on consideration, very
fairly change their opinion. It was also known
that measures of an Administration did not always
imply an,individual assent of every Member of it :
there was frequently an accommodation, or yielding
of opinion one to another. Though he had con..
demned the general condud of the late Administra-
tion as weak and inefficient, yet he appealed to tile
House whether he had not approved of several of
their measures, and always spoke respectfully of in..
dividuals composing it. He must, however, contend,
with his Rt. Hon. Friend (Mr. CANNING), that the
changes introduced into the Administration were very
considerable; and the condud of Mr. ADDINGTON
clearly shewed that it was not identically the
same. In fad, an introdudion of six Members
into the Cabinet, a change of the CHANCELLOR of
the EXCHEQUER, usually considered as the head of
an Administration, the First Lord of the Admiralty,
and three Secretaries of State, could not but be
considerable, and totally vary -its charatter and ca-
pacity. Without any diminution of that personal
affection and esteem he had always felt for Lord
HAWKESBURY, he had, during the late Administra-
tion, disapproved of some things in the Foreign De-
parunent. The House would now judge historically of
the late A,hninistration ; and some a little sanguinely
indulged their imaginations prophetically with resped
to another (looking at Mr. Fox), which perhaps was
much farther off than they conceived. Whatever
might be the result of this question, he could assure
them he should take no hint of resignation, but main-
tain that station in which His MA J ESTY had thought
proper to place him. If it was surprizing how he
accorded with some of the Metnbers of the late Ad-
ministration, much more so was it for the Noble
Lord (TEMPLE) and others, to think in unison with
the associates of their new confederacy. Sincere as
he was in his wishes for an extended Administration,
the radical variance of associates which this question
has discovered, led him to doubt whether it would
have been achieved to any permanent or beneficent
effect. The present Plan had been opened by him,
and had obtained the support of many now in
opposition to it. If the broad Administration
had been formed, it was the only public measure
to which the New Government were pledged ;
but how the Hon. Gentleman and himself would
have adjusted such radical difference of opinion upon
it, he was at a loss to conceive. A union of, ele-
ments so discordant might have had an effect the
very reverse of what was hoped and intended; and
instead of producing strength of Government,
would have been the certain cause of weakness.
Having adverted to many other topics with great
strength of argument, and obvious effect upon the
HAse, at half past two o'clock in the morning he
concluded an eloquent and, impressive speech of more
than two hours duration, of which it is impossible
to attempt to give more than a faint outline, and
very imperfed conception of its transcendant merit.

FOXIII r. regretted that he was obliged to rise at
so late an hour (near three o'clock). He censured
Mr. PITT for discussing the subject so victoriously as
they had now witnessed. He knew the promptitude
and eagerness of the Right Hon.. Gentleman either
to repel or to attack, when-occasion required. Mr.,
Fox vindicated -the sentiments which he and his
Friends had avowed, respecting a broad and stable
Government—a Government consisting of the most
distinguished abilities of all Parties. He condemned
the plan of exclusion as unfair and unconstitutional.
He professed a regard for the King's Preroga.
live ; but he at the same time insisted, that in
the choice of His Majesty's Ministers, the Ptivi.
leges of Parliament, and the Rights of the People,
ought to be considered. With regard to the argu-
ments advanced against the present measure, and the
feeble condutt of those in power, all the answer that
could be obtained from the Right Hon. Gentleman,
'was,—'' Look at me !" (Mr. PITT). And, when the
affairs of the Admiralty came under view, it was af-
firmed- that Lord ME LvILLE was a better First Lord
of the Admiralty than Lord ST. VINCENT! Such an-
swers were frivolods in the extreme. Mr. Fox no-
ticed the ridicule which he experienced when talking
of the supposed new Administration of himself and
friends. The Right Hon. Gent. was pleased to view
the last Administration historically; but he tauntingly
observed, that the new Administration, of which he
himself. was supposed to form a part, was viewed
propheticaqy, as an event which was not. likely
soon to happen. This proved the truth of what he
(Mr. Fox) had often heard—that the whole of filr.
FITT's vv"hes and efforts centered in one point—
that
is. the attainment and keeping of office ! He 1
reprtached the Right Hon. Gentlt:tnan (Mr. Pt r)
101- saying With some triumph, that although they

might get rid of the present .11;11, yet 'f"t
they would not easily get rid of hill' 1--
Determined to remain in power, he had openl3l
avowed, that he (Mr. PITT) would take no hiP' "
retire! Did the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pirt)
mean to say that he would not take the hint of
,titc
House—would not obey the commands of Parlia-
ment ? If it be true, as. reported, that there was 1
certain influence. which gave hints to, and overturned
the late Administration, he wiEhed that the same
hints were repeated now, in order that the Public
might derive some good from them.
[We are exceedingly sorry that the great length of the
ceding part of the Debate prevents our entering on
of Mr. Fox's Speech. He spoke very ably, and was ab
two hours on his legs.] the
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On the Division, the numbers were,
Ayes
Noes

Majority for the Minister 42
The Bill was afterwards ordered to be ingrossed.
Mr. PITT, while in the Lobby, intimated that it
was his intention, after so late and so long a disf:
cussion, to proceed to the third reading c3rIY
the afternoon ; and therefore particularly request
e
the -punctual attendance of Gentlemen. It was s.oge
Bested that this Bill should be read a third ob.
before they, separated ; to which Mr. PITT
jeaed, as contrary to the rules of Parliament. the
At PAST FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING
House adjourned.

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LONDOK, JUNE 79, 1804•

was last ,--- , 4in
THE firm reliance which we ,Placed the
wis-
dom and public spirit of the House or ~011111101-IS,
Pirr, notwithstanding all the confident assertionsi
all the anxious and unprecedented struggles •Id
his opponents, who had declared that he %tau
he found in a minority, had a Majority of Fort,'
night happily justified fy the event. Mr.
two. But, what must 'give increased 061f*
tion to the Public, he had, the majority - of, 5,10 f
arguments on his side, as well as superior't'h it
numbers. The Party have now mustered all tiler;
strength. They find that the Milister of the Coviis:
and of the People, is not 16 he driven from his Pe°o
by clamour, but that he is determined to perseve
in bringing forward measures of essential import'''.
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TO thinks it consistent with the At ne-
Aciples
professes for his Sovereign, and with the Pll-4-,„c•a,
he has always avowed, to enter into the Om' "" les
ed and aftive opposition against iVlinicters, Yen
he was unable to prevail on two Gerriern
the most nearly conneded with Wm in • P('int,ith
relationship and cfficial situation, to concur ;fr.
him in voting against the/ Bill last night:
YoRKE and Mr. H. ADDINGToNt
principles we have no doubt the most 11°n°curria
did not vote with the Opposition.—Several 'e ng
of Administration were absent from illness f;ti.
others, the MASTER of the ROLLS and Lot('
STO N.

AN over-land, Dispatch was received yesECii It
at the India House, dated ,Bomh I w3-c
.Bombay, 1,,,, 2ot 1, in
brings' the, agreeable intelligence' .hat Fe ace ii
pletely restored in India. '-- " whicli
.This intedirrice' '
c sat"'
. we, have for some rime anticipated, is Ihe "I°‘ iliac
faaory, because there is every probabili?rs, al,'
the Peace will be of long duration, mid .ev-,,,:sions
, prehension for the safety, of our immense 1,./..)°i's Peace
.in that quarter, is completely removed.' ,' i: mar
was signed- on the 2och Dfxember, al'' as
naturally be suPposed,,after such a series Of 17'1' ;bc
it ries, the terms ',,rtt highly favourable '`)
event,
Company.be We ar:7 the mor,-1, ~ratified atk,khis the
isscause, though we had ye' rl: little clout" as t° c
1 issue .of the contest,' ' & felt. o°l
vet we conmss we ,
ut neasiness at seeing th-e. Company engaged In se'
ex-
uneasiness
ensive a War,
Squadrons in thewll::iitileianthe"ernY
Seas. , Colonel
- Previous to the signature of the ,Tre3t‘ , . z the
had such power 0
......STiI'HEN,ON lied been employed. '-t, l3esicgw,‘;',hok
ff,:rtress of Gyalgur, on the border of the Rai.
oil
IiERAK's Dominions. It was carried l)y aSSati i
the i 6th or tBth of December. - s
and store'
e'
The loss on our side at , the . sier, r rsl •
Ivel
amounted to five European; and V 03
killed ; 59 Europeans and 5t Natives
e°g
three Naves missing. wounded,
as Resij ,
Colonel NIALcoLm was to proceed
Nantes
to the Court of Sc I ND RAH.
A t ; h b3cl
'French. Privateer, full of men, ‘w'''' 3 "ta
made nearly one hundred priz,..s, was caPtutc ssel
the Bay of Bengal, by a British 74, another ve
ports
being in company. Our ships keeping their P°l
down, the Privateer mistook them for I
All the ships which had been dicpatcherl fro
England with treasure, had arrived safe at ;via
of
ndiarnen.
front
The General Stuart had arrived at 114:idras t):11
the 3d of January ; the Glary, Princes; Mar'', 311,
Northampton had also arrived and sailed for 13"3
i (5,
In the Court of King's Bench, yesterday, ./4ss-10
Stevens and Agilely 'were brought into Court,
0,
receive sentence for having committed extorri°.v,
in having, while in office in the East Indies, recel,s,
ed a- sum of money from one of the Native Pr"cce
—Mr4ustice GRos It, baV log prefaced the seniclll:;.,
with an appropriate speech, pronounced the itel'olt
ment 'of the Court, which was, that the I)efe" 'O,
Stevens should pry a line of 000l.s and be,ifurri“) t
ed two years : , That Agnew should be prison
refal3 th
two years ; and that both of them should their
sum of .50,0004 which they had gained hY
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