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London, England, 1858-05-11 00:00:00

unsightly notice boards near the entrance to the law
courts.

NE N WRIT.

C,)lonel FRENCH moved the issue of a new writ
for the city of Limerick in the room of Majlr Gavin.
Mr. BOUVERIE of j-cted t, the issue of cbo writ
that night. Ic was u,ual under ouch circumstances to
give a week's notice of the issue of a writ,
After come remarks from Mr. COLLINS,
Col. FRENCH postponed MR moti.;ti till Thursday.
OATHS BILL.

On the motion that thl Luals! amenduaeuts to this
bill be agreed to on clause 5.

Lord J. RUSSELL moved that they should not be
agreed to by that house.
Mr. NE WDEGATE supported the amendments.
Sir R. BETEIELL urged that it was the duty of the
liouße of Lords to have attended to the feelings of the
of this country, and to have agreed to the
bill in the form in which it was sent up to their
lqrdships' house. The House of Commons had on
repeated occasions Passed such a bill as this, and with
increasing numbers and in various Parliaments. He
hoped the house of Lords would not drive the House of
Commons into capoon with them, and compel this
house to seat Baron R)thschild by r....solution. If it was
necessary he would move such a resolution
After some remarks from Sir J. PAZINGTON in expla-
cation,
Mr. S. WARREN, amidst cries of "divide," mi.
dresssed the !abuse iu favour of their lordship.' amend-
ments. If the learned gentleman (Sir R. Bett4ll)
thought the House of Lords woul I to his threats,
be would find he had never committed a greater blunder
in his life. Only two Jews bad been elected to reeve in
Parliament, and no petition had been presented to that
house from members of the Jewish persuasionin favour
of the bill. Toe people of England, as a body, were
opposed to the introduction of Jews into Parliament.
("Hear, hear," and " divide").
After some remarks from Mr. T. DONCOMBE and Sir
J PALINGTON,
The house divided, when the numbers were—
For disagreeing with the Lords' amend-
ments to clause 5, inserting the words
"on the true faith of a Cnri tian' 263
For the Lords' amendments l5O

Majority ll3
The other amendments were also disagreed to.
Lord J. RUSSELL moved the appointment of a com-
mittee for drawing up the reasons of the Commons die-
agreeing to their Lardshipe' amendments, with a view
to a conference with their lordships, viz., Lord
.John
Russell, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir J.
Pakington, Letti Stanley, Sir F. Kelly, Lord Palmer-
Rain. Sir G. Lewis, Sir G. Grey, Mr. Labouchere, Sir
J. Graham, Mr. Geeletone, Mr. Cardwell, Sir R.
Bethel!, Mr. Bright, Mr. M. Gibson, Mr. Horsman
M ,
r. Dillwyn, Mr. T. Duncotnbe, Mr. .Headlatn, Mr.
Re.ehuck, Mr. Moncreiff, Mr. J. D. Fitzgerald, Mr. Deasy, and Mr. J. A. Smith.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE iu accordance with nreceideut
of a person reternel to that house who had not taken
the oaths, moved that Baron Rothschild be one of the
corn wit ee, in order that he might state his reasons and
opinion.; at the conference,
Mr. DILLWYN seconded the motion. If Baron
Rothschild hal the right of sitting on a committee, he
ought to be allowed to do so. The very fact of a mem-
b,r mf the Jewish persuasion acting as a member of a
committee would give a practical illustretion of the ab-
surdity of the present law—an illustration which per-
haps might have some effect in another branch of the
Legielwure. (Hear, and laughter.)
The question having been put,
Mr. NEWDEGATE rose, amidst much laughter,
and said the hone had on two different occasions de-
clared that Mr. Salomons and Baron Rothschild were
incompetent to sit or vote in the house, and he con-
ceived the precedent referred to by the hon, member for
Finsbury inapplicable to the present case in the face of
such decisions. (Heel.) He wished to ascertain the
opinion of the right hon. menib,,r the Secretary for the
Home Department whether a person who had been de-
clared incompetent to sit in the house could be ap-
pointed a member of a cointait'ee ? (Hear, hear.)
' Mr. WALPOLE said he had been sorne,vhat taken
by surprise by the propesi' ion of the hon. member for
Finsbury. (Laughter.) He thought the house ought
carefully to consider the proposition of the hon. member
before coming to any positive decision. He (Mr. Wal-
pole) was not at all awar: that such a course of proceed-
ing was about to be taken, and therefore had not had
time either to look at the precedent., or to consider the
effect of the proposition. To the best of his recollection,
the act of Parliament attached the penalty to members
fer voting or sitting during debate. If so, possiuly it
would not only apply to the present case. One thing
struck him on the lace of the precedent which had been
quoted, namely, that in 1715, no person was duly quali-
fied o take any part in the proceedings of the house
without being sworn, not merely at the table, hut before
the'Lord High Steward. He could not find whether Sir
Joseph Jekyll had Lot been sworn or not. If he had been
so adorn, he would have been returned to the house as
a member, and that was a material element in the con-
sideration of the question. All he could say was that,
.f Byron Rothschild by constitutional precedent was
entitled to sit on a committee, he would offer no ob-
jection to his doing so. (Hear.) But he asked the house
to consider whether they were really right in following
the course recommended, and adopting a novel proceed-
ing which might lead to inconvenience and difficulty.
(Hear, and oh, oh.)
Mr, BOUVERIE said his attention had been called
to this point some time ago, and he thought there could
be no doubt, on the face of the precedent, that Baron
It, bectelet was entitled to sit on the committee. He
should therefore support the motion. (Cheers.)
Mr. LYGON thought it desirable that the house
should know whether Sir J. Jekyll was sworn before he
acted on the committee, because, if so, there would be a
great difference between the two cases.
Lord J. RUSSELL bad been as much taken by sur-
prise as the right hoo. Home Secretary by the proposi-
tion which had just been made. Three or four years ago
he had looked at the precedent referred to, and believed
that Sir J. Jekyll strived on that committee before he
took the oaths, but he rather thought the omission was
owing to the accidental circumstance cf his not having
arrived in time to do so. It, was perfectly understood
at the time that Sir J. Jekyll would take the oaths as
soon as he had the opportunity. At the same time, he
thought the precedent sufficiently strong to justify the
hon. member for Finsbury in proposing that Baron
Rothschild should be added to the committee, and it the
hon, member pressed the question he should certainly
vote wieh him. (Cheers.) He thought, however, that
it would have have been more courteous to the house if
notice had been given of the proposition. (Hear.)
Sir J. PAKINGTON thought the question bad been
treated with the most perfect fairness by his right hon.
friend (Mr. Wa pole.) Whaterer were the opinions of
honourable gentlemen as to the question of the adtuis•
eien of the Jews to Parliament, he believed that none
desired to interfere with their legal rights, and if liana
Rothschild had a legal ;right to sit on a committee he
believed the general feeling of the house would be in
accordance with the view expressed by his right hon.
friend, There was considerable difficulty about the
question, as it turned on the construction of a precedent
with which the great body of members of the house could
net be expected to be acquainted. He trusted as a
matter of fairness that the hon. member for Finsbury
would not object to the postponement of the question
till to-morrow. (Hear.)
Mr. WARteEN rose as a friend of Baron Rothschild
to express a hope that a little more time would be
allowed for the consideration of the matter. (Laughter
and cries of Oh, oh.) He would advise Baron Rothe-
chilo's friends to consider the position in which they
were about to place him—(laughter)—and to examine
carefully the nature of the liabilities which might attach
to him. (Hear, he ar.)
Lord PALMERS lON recommended the hon. mem•
ber for Finsbury to yield to the suggestion which had
been thrown out, and allow more time for considera-
tion. (No, no.)
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said be was not aware that the
committee would have been nominated immediately. If
the ordinary course had been pursued of placing the
names on the paper, he should have given notice of his
in entiou tv prepese the rams of Baron Rothschild. The
resolution of the home in the case to which be had re-
ferred was perfectly clear on the subject ; and all he
asked the house to do was to permit Baron Rothschild
to act. on the committee, although, as was the case with
Sir J. Jekyll, he had not been sworn by the clerk at
the table. (Cheers.)
in a matter of such importance, but adjourn
Mr.MELLOR trusted the house would noittsacctornassihdly
ration until to-morrow.
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that the debate be aojeurne
and agreed to, and the de-
The motion was then pduitnly.
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CHANCELLOR
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DR. JENNER.
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THE NEW ZEALAND LOAN.
house
all
its
attention itselfti into a
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committeeitefEsLuApp‘lvyN,
Sir
taiu passages in the evidence given by one of the wit-
nesses before the New Zealand Loan (500,600/.), Guar-
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Committee, and to cempare the game with records
lßrisoe to
call attention to oertein dealings with the natives for the
sale of their lande, and to the manner in which recent
cont-acts made with them with respect to schools and
uespitals by a gevernment officer have been carried into
effect. What he coutpleined of was simply this, that
'hen the bill WAS under discussion many hon. members
tad teen unduly influenced by evidence which was in
some reepecte very inaccurate. In his evidence before the
to advance 200,0001. instead of 500,0001. thepropovition
com untie e Mr. Sewell stated that if Parliament proposed
w. uld not bb acceded to by the colony, the fact being
that the House of Representatives had passed a resolu-
tion, in which Mr. Sewell concurred, that the smaller
amount should be accepted. The other ease involved
most distinctly the honour good faith, aed justice of the
British nation. It appeared that Mr. Mantel], had bought
30,000,000 of acres of the natives for 5,0001. The simple