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AI)biTIONAL STATE'PAPERC

Lord 114W107,813URY raid, he was commanded
liy His Majesty to
,lay several other Papers before
the 1.10t),,e. With regard to the point upon which
in) lion. Gentleman had required information, 'viz.
the violence which had been offered to the Property
3rlti 'Vessels of His Majesty's Subjefis; he could not
ut,derrake to say that all the Papers which related
to 'that point were now presented to the Hinise,
betause all the Papers of Lord Whitworth had not
vet' arrived ; but he was inclined to think that
ilxre would be enough to give the Hon. Gentle.
rt.,m the information he 'required. He had like,
presented the Papers relative to thewpape of
!lope and Louisiana; and also a Dispatch sent
to Lord Whitworth,' the ()hied of which was to

spew that 01000 there might be no written re.
monstrances respening the continuance -of • the
French Troops in Holland, yet that his Lordship
had instruetions what language he- was to hold in
his conversations with the French Minister upon the
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Mr. GREY said, he. should move that these Pa.
pers be printed. Ile had no doubt but that the
Noble Lord had produced all the Papers which
were in his power relative -to this point, and the
remonstrances which had been made in consequence;
and he dared to say they would be found to-be suffi.
dent. If, however, any further Papers should be ne.
cessary, he had no doubt, from the candor which the
Noble Lord had displayed, that they would be pre.*
sented.- Ik wished, however; to say a few words
upon the last Dispatch to Lord Whit Worth, which
had ken just presented. This Dispatch was in-
tended to skew that Lord Whitworth had received
instrudions•to hold certain language respeding the
Continuance of the French Troops-in Holland. He
thought it important' to remark a upon the
state in whiCh the Negotiation•stood on.this point.
The continuance of the French Troops in Holland
was so itutiortant a subject, that he thought there
must necessarily be "some official document rustled,
ing it. At all events, 'something further ne-
cessary. There could be nO'doubt but that Lord.
Whitworth, in obedience to hi: instructions,, made
1, representations to-the French Government upon this
subject, to which he must, have received answers ;
therefore. it certainly was in the power of Miniiters
to give further information respecting all;
seared" also, th:lt upon many of the most important
parts of the Negotiation, verbal Communications
took place between the Setretary of State and the
French' :Anibassador here ; and certainly it was as.
material that the House shoUld know what,pasied,
here, as well as what passed in Paris. The'Official
,Communication between Lord Whitworth and
the, French Minister had been ,COMmunicated by
Lord Whitworth, but the ComMuniotions of
'the French Ambassador here, and the Noble Secre-
, tary'4:Answers to them were not, given. In von.
dueling the Negotiation,- the Noble Secretary of
State- was certainly liable to great. responsibility ;
but that responsibility would be much increased, if
there was nothing to refer' to but his memory upon
the subjed. These Communications MO., he Sup-
' posed, have been put into the shape of an Official
ReCord, and therefore he hoped it would be laid
before the House, because, what a situation would'
the two Countries be placed in, suppose they had
the means in France (which they certainly had not)
of discussing the measures of Government, and
that Communications were made of the state of the
Negotiation to the. Legislative Body ? lithe same
deka prevailed there which was stated to prevail
here, rand that %%hat passed at Paris could not be laid
before them, although what passed here could,' the
consequence would be, that both -Countries would
be debating the Negotiation upon totally different
grounds.—When a 'Negotiation was carried on in.
conversation, -it must be obvious that it might: re-
ceive diffstrent colours,. according to the feelings of
those.. by whom it was reported. He could nit,
however, believe that such important matters could
have passed without some Record, which he hoped
'there would be no objedipn to communicate.
Lori HAWKESBPRY said, he belie Veil that
the proposition of the Hon. Meinber was entirely
new, at least he did not recolleet any thing similar
to it ; nor did .he see 'in the case which the Hon.
Gentleman had put,, any grounslsfor it.- With re-
sped to the general voints of the 'Negotiation, they
were carried on in Paris and,not ipLondon ; but it
was perfedly true, that in the-course of a Negotia-
tion, when the substance of it is carried on in .too..
ther country, it.might be convenient to inform the
Ambassador of that Cohntry
.of the: nature of the
Inctruaions which had been giyen, 'in order ,to eon.
Once him, if it could be dOne, of the justice of our
demands. But with respect to rho generalcourse of
the Negotiation, it was carried on at 'Paris ; far if
you were to- negotiate at two different places; :it
would Whets
create endless -ecnfusion and *delay.
he was
_employed some time ag6 in negotiating the
Preliminaries of. Peace here, he ; took care that the
discussions shouldbe in such a state that they might
have been laid before Parliament if the Negotiations
had failed. .

Mr. GREY said, that when he -had last night
moved tor some informitian respe4ling the_ con.
rinttance of the French Troopsin Holland, he was
told by the Noble Lord .there had been no reprc.
hentation upon the subjed. A Right Hon. Gentle:
16,11 'who.sat near the Noble Lord said, ,there
odwritten coMmunications respeeting it. He en.
derstood from this that the Communications had
been made here because if they had ;been made in
Paris, they would have been detailed by Lord
Whitworth. - - •

Dr..LAWRENCE said, .he agreed that every
collateral and trifling point of a Negotiation which
was carried on in another place could not be expect.
cii to be communicated ; but the withdrawing of the
Freneh Troops from Holland appeared to him one
of the moat important parts of the whole subjed,
although the Noble Lord.had last night .called. it an
insulated point of the Negotiation.
Lord IIAWKESBURY replied, that the Hon.
Gentleman had misunderstood him; he was speaking
of the French CoMmercial Agents who had been
sent over here...

Mr. SIIERIDAN said, it was not of much im-
portance that Papers were presented, unless Mem-
bets knew that they should have An opportunity of
reading them ; and he could not help suggeraing,
that as many Members had not had an opportunity
of reading >the Papers, it might be better to post-
pone the discussion which was fixed for Monday.
He agreed that the House ought to come to a deci-
sion as expeditiously as possible ;' but at the same
time, there ought to be an opportunity of reading
and considering these Papers. Tice'Papers were
very voluminous, and were not to be skimmed
over; he therefore really thought some further
time should be given, before the consideration of
so very important a. subjea. Besides, there Was
another .Member (General GAscovrts), who in.;
tended TO move for further Papers. There were
some rumours in circulation, one of which re,;
related to Mr. Talbot's having left. Paris, respeCting
which be wished for some inforthatibn, if it c0i414,
be given ; butit was an additional reason wily the

discussion' ought to be pOstponed, and he • thought .
.that it Might, without any inconvenience, be put off
till Wednesday,
Lord HAWKE?BURY said, that ‘vith regard :o
the question with which the Hon. Gentleman had
'concluded his Speech, he 'unlit! -only say, that no
authentic information had been received of Mr.
Talbot's having left Paris, nor did he know that
M. Portalis. had left London.. With regard to the
rumours to which the Hon. Gentleman alluded, and
which he had heard, he took them to be reports
which were totally destitute- of foundation._ -He
should be very ready=. to put off the discussion be.
yond Moriaay, if any 'strong ground was stated for
it, but he really did not see tha(the Paper's which
were now presented rendered it necessary, because
they did not introduce any new faCt. ' They re.
lated to 146uisiana and the Cape. These were fans
which 'were generally known, though it might be
proper that they should be regularly laid before the
House of CoMmons. As these tapers, therefore,
did not communicate any new faCt, anti 'were not
very.' voluminous, he saw no reason for putting - off
the discussion.
Mr.'CANNING said, he-'should feel great
•jeClion- to the putting off the discussion beyond
Monday. .Any•further Papers that-might be moved
for, might; be neCeisary_ to enable Parliament to form •
a judgment how fir the Negotiation hid been well
or ill conduded, by Ministers'; but that man must
be hard I() besonyinced, indeed, who, after a. pc.
rusal of the Papers which had igen laid before the
House,. was not prepared to decide upon the justice
of the. cause •of this
,Country. - It was with this
view that' -he looked fOrward to the discussion on
Monday.' He 'thought that very. important docu-
ments were now before, the Mouse, but at the same
-time there were chasms in them, which ought- to be
filled up, to'enable the House'to come to a judg.
Anent on the condua of
..Ministers. He was upon
these grounds against any delay in the discussion,'
Which. Might,give the Enemy reason to think' that
Parliament entertained some doubt
,upon the subject;.
Dr.IAWRENCE agreed with the Right-Hon.
Gentleman who spoke last he hoped the discus.
sion Monday,- would be confined to the general
point'of the justice of the War, and that the House
would riot-gO into theother and ulterior considera-
lion. .
llfr.„-'IFIIiTB/I4211). wished to know Whether
since the departure of •Lord Whitworth from Paris,
any fresh communication had been received ? -
LordliAbliKESUßrsaid; he had no diffieulty
in saying, that he had seen a Note, which he should'
lave no objection to lay before the House, if it,
. could be regularly done; but' there had' beenoo prol
position made ill, any'official way, which His Ma-
testy's..Ministers woult be- junified-..in.-laying. be-
. fore the House. '
Mr. WHIT/iREAD said, he 'wanted to know
whether :any substantial information had .been re-
ceived which it wassmaterial the •HOuse should be in
posiessiori of ; whether officially sired, -Cit not,' he,
shOuld certainly move for any 'such infOrtnatiOn-
' Lord
iHAWKESIBURY said, that a Note had
been presented, the substance of whiek lead d no
lobjeCtion to lay liefore;the.
;were sometimes presented in a c,onlideetial ways.
which made it difficult to lay them regularly before
;the House : -with regard to'the substance, however, :1
Ministers had no °bid:lion to communicate it. It
was true that a proposition' had been made upon -a
possible ground of concluding the business, but it
was upon a group& so. inadmissible that MiOisters
could not receive it, Wand therefore-did not desire it
to be iiitt into an -official shape. It was 'a proposi-
tion. which this Country could-not accede to, con-
sistent with that good faith and open conduit vehiCh
Great Britain always' held to other Countries,
• Lord TEMPLE,' said, he was satisfied with the
answer of.theNoble.Lortl, but he- wished to know'.
whether Mr. Talbot had been left in Paris for the -
purpose of negotiating .with the French Republic.
ard Whitworth had left his Secretary at Paris, and
General Andreossy had left. his Secretary in London.
The House Was told' that' Mr. Talbot was left be-
' hind on domestic purposekonly but he could not
imagine that the Secretaries of an-Embassy couki be
left behind Merely Id pack up trunks and pay bills.
Lord HAWKESBURY said, he had no hesita.
min in saying, that Mr. Talbot was not left in
Paris, nor, as-far as he knew, M. Portalis in Lon- •
, don, :for the purpose of conduding'any Nekotiition
whatever. The former , was left to take care of
different Papers belonging to the Embassy; and also,
with'a reference to, the British SubjeCta who-could:
not immediately leave Paris. , •
Mr. GREY said, .that with-regard . to the Note
the Noble Lard did not seem, to have any objection
to present it, but he' had alluded to another e.aminn.
'nication which .wasof a very important natpre.- Ile
would. not now discuss, whether it Warof an adinis-
bible nature, or-not, but it -apPeared to hire that it
was important that the House should be in posses.
sion of jt. He understand -that this. proposition
•was neiihaiAnore nor less than the centre.preiti,l
Which certainly- must be a most important Piper for
the ionsideration of the •Houie.- •:The-Ntible Lord
thought there Were-difficulties in the way of the
produCtion of 'this Paper, because 'it did not co-he
in an offcial way. He'should tie ckttemely orb,.
if any offiCial form stood in the way of information
which it was to"important for the House to possess.
'But he believed thedifficulty, in point of form, was
not so great as the Noble* Lord seemed to think,
for in the beginning 'of the. last War, when from- thei
existing circumstances of the times no official corn-
municatiori could take place between Lord Gren-
ville and M. Chauvelin, yet those communications
were laid before the. House, although the saine'ub_
jettion, in point of- fortis, might be 'made to pre_
'senting them. As the• House was nor% upon -thee
subject of explanation, he wished to ask, Whether
before General Andreossy 'left 'London, some Cont-
intmications had not been made I and also, whether
some other communications had not been made in
Facia, which might be laidisefore theflouse I Be_
he sat down he wished to say a few-words in
answer' to what, had fallen-from a Right Hon. Gen.
tleman (Mr. CANNING). Ile said, he was by no
means inclined to wish for delay himself,' but . the
. -Right lion, 'Gentleman hart litated, :that idta_de cu.
wilts which • were already-before the-House were
sufficient in, the case cf. tidy Country, that is to
say, that 'whatever mi4hc `oi

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Islinisters, the P.ooers atreany'isio oeiore the se lice .
were sufficient to. justiii- • this Country. in going Re
War. ' If we were now acittally at War, there ca.
fairly was no British Subject who was not bound to
lend his best assistance in the cause of his Country.
Bat however strong the case for going to %Val'
might now appear, it was possible that by the cont.
munication of other circutnstances that case might
not appear quite so strong,....There_was novaseohich '
f i
aggression, or. of insult, however strung, w,
might not be done away by explanation 'and
reparation. ,Upon this subjeet, therefore, the in.
formation that -.he had applied' for, might, if
produced, des away,- in a considerable. degree,
the causes of War. It would he therefore dan-
gerous to assume, at once, upon thefirst statement
of Ministers that they were to take for granted that
there were no other circumstances which might be
1 i
communicated-, and which- might give a different
to wish,. that .the discussion might be postponed.
to the subjeti. He was therefore inclined
colour
There was one other point upon which he wished
for some information. A report wasincirculation,
founded_ he supposed upon the intelligence in
.ilie !
F;Pnoh Papeta, that Russia had offered her merliattun.
If there was any Official Communication upon this
subject it would be very important that it should
be laid before •the House.
Lr,r4l .
the whole of his conduct had, satisfied the !Lome
H 4:01-K E'S B UPY.... said,. he hoped that .
that he was perfeAly• disposed to give every Win?
.matiort to the klotise, that he could do consisted,'
with his dittY. 'With regard' to the first lint'
which related. to any proposition-Which might rave
been made during the course of Lord WhitwoWs
embassy, he agreed with the Hbo..Gentleman, iliac .1
it would be desirable that no difficulty, in point ?` ' I
form, should prevent the House from- being put IA
possession of thela. . At the :Janie 'time, the 14°6 '
Gentleman must see that there was a distiniclion he-
' tween the' present' Vs:, and that to which he al-
, Imudunecile,;.totifolnd,-InCighhato.Vheali:e.
bll:ec:)tuusiealeh.einprease,:!,yo:llina;
. gave no absOlute right tocooclude that it came fro
the French Government.. With regard to die proin
-
s
position itself, he had intended to- have made iron
Monday,` acid iI had .. no hesitation in . stating it ,
now, though
on it at present. After Lord Whitworth had left
I\e.should deprecate any discussion up-
Paris, it .was .COnHDOniCa ted . to . liiM, while on ve
ahi'
no pOsitiVe-..evidtDde•thai it came from the li-rend'
on -unofficialial way , in. a way that g
journey,
- in
Government, that an arragement might be aide'
by which this Country should keep 'Matra for tile
number of'yeirS required; proiitted that the French
Government should, artfte-shifillitie;baliliini.i.-
to and Tatetitum. He need not state, that His I\ll-
;jety lo Ministers cotird not aCcede to a proposition
With the good faith, which Great Britain always oh-
served to oilierCountries,-and that was 'the onlY
-OriOical prOpoSition which had been. made. Wi'll
regard to the Mediation of Russia, it war pCTICaII
true that in the, last .mOments of theNegotiati°,- 3
Messengeediti arrive from Pctersburgli with instra°:
:tions-tO state that the Emperor of ROssia was 11_°_,`
*dtsposeil to interfere' in ire' 'differences betwetee's
Great Britain and France,- yet. to express his Wi'l'ac
-for the eisntinuaneestsf Peace. Brit it did "°' ',IL,' s
point whatever, and *underthese
that the :Emperor of Russia had sent-any t.anY instrri`stfid,
to bring the question of a Mediation to all. 's
it ir.,
peared to him. that . it could- onlY- Kai tO a delay
which must be highly injurious to this Count r)r_.
_c.
, Mr. i17.11T8 NE AD asked •whether the
theN,obl
'Lind had any objection to the produCtion 01 ,
Note ? -
,1- . short.
L°' id H Alr. K ES BURY said, he requested ''. es•
time to consider, anchnake some inquiries upon t"
subject. . . of j
Mr. SHERIDAM submitted the
aubjed. of the p,opliety
_...
eircumstans,e •
having laid before the Honse,an account of the ri:c
monstrances. which were matte by, our Anth'ts'''th-.4 • 1
-atsParis, and the manner of its receptioo, on
.
Holland.. . .
Lord. French' Troops not having ate
IKAIPKESiURY4ait‘ in answer. to what
aware
had been thrown. out by the' Honour Gentle . I
man, that Lord Whitworth' did not make any °lt •
tind remonstrance upon that sUbjea. He' w,lis • '
of any other answer to be
question, further than that which appeared On tu
face of the Papers now before thellouse. ~.„' -
Mr. SIIERIDAY said, it did appear to trim'
:that infoimation 'upon this matter was itliPorta"
for if it.. should appear, that erteie, reinonstranco
. were treated with &step .).
r-- or Contempt, it was °
of the !.Or“.-#ls of France towards this-CountrYra.
It was tO be presumed,at all events, that 1-I°,l
:Whitworth: obeyed ..nis instrudions. - these fli;
stet-410.ns Were to make some representations on -;.
sulieci.of the Fecnch Trotips remaining in 110113?ra
,Theseleprestotations were regarded or disreg.'r,„v
given-to t
~c
on the part of Franee. These instructions, as L'l7o
appeored in the; Papers befori the House, wetc;,., :
make representations with moderation and ten. %4
11-IcfC Mr. SHERIDAN read that part et .o'o
pinta 'Papers whith relttlei to the instoia'4.3
given to -Lord Whitworth upon this sohi‘,ol,
Now,' he observed, there could be 'no doubt f'o, I
„Lord Whitworth paid due attention to sod' iv,
structions, and made his representations will' 1:111,s
per and moderation ; not could there, be any 0 t-.,.,
but that' he reported the manner in ,Vhiclihis
ti';'cil; . i
sensations were received—,those were the
:merits he warited to see, fur, they were. not ii(r`,
sent before the I-louse. - sfik
Mr. CANIV/IVG said, he Confessed this,that, ~
i sort'
current appeared tii•him to be i,if the first
he Oh .
.„
once in 'lie whole of tlie dis i
cussion as to t c°s't
,ii.il
of this Coontry'agNinst Fiance. It to de 111`-
. 7-- ill" 1
kature io the- contiodsof-the Govertutient 0 .
Country;in the Nejoriation with France, there-
France, and fi
fore he wished to :nk his I\roble Prie,nd'the SE clti.e..,
TAICY of. SfTE, tvlietllCr or nut n.riy fo(1?/ill. rya.
mocrance whs midi, on the part of this COn'tilic
either here to the Ambassador, or- at Paris, '.9,,'1110; 1
circumstance 00, the stibjed of' the F.keoth n',„-.o', ~ '
retraining in Holland agate st the %Oil of the
.",..13/
vian'Ciovernmetrt and also against the provis'"
of a furmit,il Treaty. ' . .
1 i 1,,•
illti MY iii 8,-
Lord il Wit-WE S BURY sariti;that lie .
i 0
.1 -in Friend,
wit!. ii
Colt,' in st:itit..l:tti his, Right 1- t .... ..- 03
foemat.fenionstrsnce was made on -that subtett,
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arras was receivcd. The whole poitit qep .
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on the general discussinn with the French Minister,
and it was in this respCl pretty sitnilar to what'had
passed on many other Subjetisa in which there was
no total denial of satistaftion, but an evasion on
the part of France instead of satisfaCtion.
Mr. SHERIDAN be thought now what
he had asked most extremely material information
forahe House,_ that he was the more convinced of
it, since he had heard the 'observations of thesNoble
St CR ETAKY of STATE, .alll.l. therefore, Ile moved,
" That an humble Address_: be presented to His.
Majesty, praying, he will be graciously pleased to
give direClions for laying before the. House an ac:
count of the manner in which Lord Whit Worth's
representation was received by ihe French GoVern..
mem, On. the subjeCt of their not haVing,withdrawn
their Troops from the Batavian Republic." •
Me CHANCELLOR -of the EXCHEOUER
'a„id, he hoped the HOn. Gentle Man would not per.
*hi in his Motion, under a distina understanding
that if .the Documents Wwhich it referred, were
Mich as might be produced, they should be laid be-
fore the. House on Monday next, for he would not,
have it be imagined that 'because there had been
rio communication upon this subject, it therefore
hadriot been under the consideration of Govern.
Meta. Nor was it to be so concluded, because there
might be no communication upon that subjeCt froin
my Lord Whit Worth. Government had also a
Minister at the Hague, and he had the best reason
to owed that the French Troops should be-with.
draOin froin Holland just before the moment on
which His Majesty's Messarae came to Parliament,
and, which ban terminated in hostilities. *He meant
this, not as an argument, for argument it was none,
hut he meak it to prevent some observations. He
had already said, that we had another. Minister at
the Hague, and that a 12-41resentation was made to
the French GoVernment from the Batavian Govern.
ment,:and that at one time there was every reason •to
believe that the Representation Would have
,been at-
tended with success. If the Hon. Gentleman would
fur the present withdraw his Motion) His Majesty's
,Ministers would consider of the matter, and if the
~,,Deauments: referred ..to were in the Office of his
Noble Friend (Lord HAWKESBURY) all possible and
regular information should be laid,before the House.
• Mr. SHERIDAN said,. he could not persist in
his Motion after/what be had heard from the Right
Hon. Gentleman, although the information he had
called for was of the utmost importance ; but here
again he•could not. help repeating, that this was an
additional reason for delaying, for a few days", the
general discussion of the subject.
Lord.HAWKESBURY said,• he should not have
any nbjedions to the proposed. delay, if lie were
not apprehensive of some aerioni.inconveniences
from it, such as had been already stated—namely,
that it might appear as if there was in the House,
an unwillingness; to come to -the discussion of this
• important subjetl. He meant to maintain one ge-
neral point in this matter, namely, that through-
out the disci,sioo, there was, on the part of the
French Governineat, a disposition not to refuse,sa.
tisfaetory Answers, on various topics,.but to evade
them.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHQVER ob.
"T"4l.that there might be some Papers relating to
the Communications between the French and the
Dutch Governments which ought not to be pro.
daced.

Mr.. GRAY said, he understood that a4hongh
Lord Whitworth had not. communicated to Go.
vernment that w:lich was now the subjeCt of debate,
;vet, chat our Millister at the Hague, Mr. Liston,
had done so.

CiiV,VING raid, it the Communication of:
Jr. Liston was satisfadary to Government, and so
important as it now 6eesmed to be 0n the subject of
the French Troops evacuatiOg:Holtand, Ministers
would have much to do•in their endeavours to con.
-since Parliament of the propriety of with-holding
that (.ommunieation. If Mr. Liston had received.
assurances that the French Troops would be
drawn from Holland, and he transmitted tli
formation to the Mini.sters of this Country,
they ought now to produce that information to Pir.:
liament.

Mr. JOHNSTONE referred to certain information
in the Papers on the Table relating to Malta.
DaBor LAWRENCE called to order, and said,
he conceived the Honourable Member was irregular
at present. in alluding to Malta, because, another
question was before the House.

The SPEAKER said, that he certainlydid under.
stand that the Motion of the Honourable Gentle.
man (Mr. SHER I D AN) had been waved. 'That at
present there was no Question before the House,,
and that therefore Mr. JOHNSTONE might now
proceed.

Mr. JOHNSTONE then adverted to that part
of the Documents on the Table which related to
the refusal of the Emperor of Russia to garrison
Malta, and asked for some further Documents.upon
that
Lord HAWKESBURY explained the nature 'of
the communication upon that subjea, and Observed,
that it was an advisable praelice, as he had hinted
last night, when Members wished to move for Do.
cuments-which were not before the House, to COM-
municatelheir wishes-to him before-they moved for
them, that he might come prepared to assent to* them,
which might save a great deal of time, by prevent-
ing discussion, if that could he done with propriety,
or that he might be prepared to assign reasons why
be ;mild not comply with the request. There were
pOinta on which he could not give.nn:answer on the
sudden, for althougli he might have no objeetion to
Vlproducing the required Document, yet the Foreign
inister to whom they" referred, might objet to it,
and therefore he desired- time to' consult upon the
subjea' before he answered: any questiOns, or corn.
plied with, any/requisition upon this eubjea :- all he
asked now was, that the tion. Meinber would not,
at-present, persist in any Motion upon this.-subjett.
G/ISCOY.NE rose pursuant to,the notice
be had 6tven to move for various-documents which
appeared to him to be necessary to prepare for the
discussion of the important subject Which was to he
brought forward on Monday. Ile wished for
several Documents which existed previous as well
48 subsequent to the Treaty of Amiens, and
without which, in his opinioni the flouse would
rot have a full -view of the subled*they were about
to diteuss, He should state the objets ,of all his

motions, (for lie had. four of them to. male, ) beiore
he should desire one of them to lie. put
.from the
Chair, and in so doing, he f'ollow'ed the cootie
adopted by an Hon.• Genikmart near him; (Sir.
GR E Y,.) and Which course appeared to him to he the
best, because all the motions might thereby be in.
chided in. one debate, since Ministers Could say
which of them, if any, they assented to, and which
tlieyopposed.. Three.. of his-Motions were of a na."
cure which had been already described, and although
they might once have been objeClionable on the
score of danger in the communication, yet he did
not think they were so now.. Thee first motion he
had to submit was, for a copy. of all the represen-
tations or remonstrances made by Ministers on the
part of Malta, from the.:first of oClober, t Sot, to
the last day of March 18ca, &c. He thought thia
the most necessary document of all whip remain-
ed to be laid before the House, becaust-three.fourths
of the whole negotiation or diseassion between this
country. and Fianee related -to Malta, and this
appeared to be almost the whole matter in contest..
The next Motion he had to submit was for a Copy
of:all such Representations or Remonstrances as
were .made by, the British Government on the sub.
jets of the Italian Republic, and of the Annexation
of Piedinont, either Before the Treaty of Amiens or
subsequent thereto„ &c.- The next was for a
Copy of all Orders sent to any GOvernors, &c. in
the West Indies, which have -been issued since the
Treaty of Amiens, previous to the evacuation of
the same, &c. &c. This,,he said, appeared to him
to be necessary, in order that the House might con_
skier whether it would not have;been proper in us
-to have kept them all in our possession as well as
Malta. There was also a point in No. 38 of page
+B, of the. printed Papers relative to Canada, on
whiCh he ward information. The next Motion
he'llad to submit was.for a Copy of the Account or
Informaiion sent to Government by Mr. Liston at
the Hague, and the Remonstrance, &c. made re-
speeling the continuance Of the French Troopsiii
Holland; upon which, although at one time there
might have beendanger in the communication, now
there could be none. Having expatiated on the
propriety, as it. appeared to him, of all these Mo•
lions, he said he should put them all into the hands
of the SPEAK Ett to be read andput to the vote', one
after another, .and'disposed of as the House should
think .fit: •

The first Motion being read, which was for lay:
ing before the Mine Copies of all representations
and remonstrances made to His Majesty's Ministers
on the part of the Maltese Inhabitants, &c. from.,
the first of Otiober iSor, to the last day of March
1802, together with the answers thereto, &c.
Lord IJ4WKESBURY observed, that he had no
difficulty in saying, that 'with respell to one of the
Motions of the Hon. Gent. namely, that•which was
for information relative to the West.lndlts, neither
himself nor 'any one in His Majesty's Government
had.any desire to conceal' any part of it, and, there-
fore, that was a Motion to .which he entirely
assented ; with regarStO the rest, he felt it his duty
to move the Prey ious Question upon them; for reasons
-which had been partly urged already, and for one
which was of a general nature, and an answer w all ,
motions of this kind when if applied, nawly, that
no Parliamentary ground had been laid for granting
them. As to th:!M,:ltese, his*Lordship observed, that
they.had sent a letter to the Secretary, of State, in
which they expressed, in every -respeet, their SR. ,
tisfadion as to the conduet which His Majesty's
Government had held towards them, and stating
that although they would have wished to have lived
under the protedion of His Majesty, yet they were
perfealy satisfied,- as that, could not be the case,
With the arrangements made by His Majesty's Go-
vernment in their favour. His Lordship said he
held a copy of their letter in his hand, and which
he read as part of his speech, the substance of which
was, That the Maltese presented to the Govern_
merit of this Country their warmest' thanks for all
they had condescended to do in favour of their na-
tion, which was worthy of the magnanimity of
Great Britain, and which although they had not
the honour to have become its subjeds,' they would
transmit to their Posterity the 'gratitude they felt
for the Obligations* we had conferred- on them.—
This Was the substance of the letter,which the Mal.
'tes,esent to the Government of this Country the day
aftei the Definitive Treaty was signed. While
their Represintatives were here, they were treated
with a due attention by His Majesty's Government,
His Lordship concluded by 'observing, as he had
said already, that with reaped to the nation which'
related to information concerning the West Indies,
he assented to it, 'but with regard to the others, as,
no Parliamentary ground had been laid for their pro..
duaion, he should move the Previous Question an
them. -

On the Question being put, Lord HAWKRSBURY
moved the Previous Question.
Mr. WINDHAM said, it had been stated by the
Noble Lord (HAwscesticißY), that no Parliamentary
ground had been alledged for this Motion; there
were, however, grounds of National Interest. and
Dignity for snaking it a subject of Parliamentary
Inquiry. The Noble Lord had produced a different
Paper to that which was moved for ; thus there
were two Percys" in the field, and how. were they
to. judge which was the true one, without inquiry.?
-It had been reported, that the Maltese Deputies
were refused to be heard, for fear of giving' umbrage
to France. For the truth of this he did not pre.
tend to vouch, he only asked for inquiry.
The CHANCELLOR of the 4,XCIIEQUER
said, that when his Noble Firiend stated that no
Parliamentary ground had been alledged in behalf of
the present Motion, his Noble Friend meant, that
there was nothing urged by which.it could be made
applicable to the question which stood for. diseuision
on Monday, a point which the Right Ron. Gentle.
man (Mr: WINVHAM) had almost admitted. .With
respect to what had been stated by the Right lion.
Gentleman, of the indignity offered to the Maltese
Deputies, that. Righr Hon. Gentleman had been
Irossly deceived, no such sentiment as bad been
imputed by that Right Hon. Gentleman, had ever.
been uttered by any Member of theßritish Govern.
.ment, .nor had he ever heard of such a circumstance
till he heard it from the Right 140. Gentleman.
lie had heard it stated that am indignity had'been
off:red to those. Deputies 'by an inattention .to their
conveyance home, but the co,- was, that a frig4tc.

ikact been
-provicio for thOr.conveyance from this
COuntry: 'lf the Hors. Gentleinan..-{Getetal GAS.
coi-NE) wished to bring forward any; nitionwith
a view to the object stated by the Right lon. Gen,
ticirlarl (Mr. WINDHAM)). it snigtu.he a
,sithjeCt for
future-consideration but he could not consent to the
present. Motion.' •
Pr: LAWRENCE. thought the que3tinii was in
sorno measure connected with the distusiion of
Monday.

Mr. GREY observed, that he had heard no suffi-
cient reason given why the- papers in question shout&
not be produced, for though the Motion might not
be 'counefted with tilt discussion of Monday, yet
it appeared that it might .becume a distinft subjefl
of inquiry,
.and certainty - a most important one.
He wished' for, the sake of the Country-and the
charaaet of His Majesty's Ministers, that the
papers might'bi-produced.

Col. ckAllmil. said, he principally rose because
one of the Papers alluded to, and 'which was called
a Mat.ifestO, had been circulated at Malta whilst
he was there. It appeared to him that the Peace
had put an end to every necessity for the produdion
of that Paper, and, in fad, if it was now produced
it would be found useless. It might, at the same
time, tend to throw blame upon him, as he issued it
without authority, for the purpose of animating the
inhabitants of Malta' at that particular crisis, and to
expedite the SUrrender of the Fortress.

'The SECRETARY at WAR said, that the Pre.
vious Question moved by his Noble Friend, was no.
denial of the Motion, but only tended to this, that
the Papers 'in question ought not to be produced at
the present moment. It appeared to him that these
Papers were very remotely, if at all Connected with
the question' for discussion on :Monday. He did
not mean to say, however, that at a future 'period
it might not become a -subjekt of consideration.
Mr. trARD, said, he did nut mean to contend for
the produdion of the Papers, as applicable, to the
discussion of Monday. He referred to the statement
respetiing the reception given by one of. His Ma.
jesty's.Ministers to the Maltese Deputies,: and he
wished to ask, whether it could be true, that Lord
Hon ART did say to the Maltese Deputies, come to
my House and not to my Office, for fear of.giving
umbrage to the French Government.. He thought
an answer to this materially involved the Honour of
the Country., which, like Caesar's Wife, ought not
only not to be contaminated, but ought not even to
be suspeded.:.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he thought •it necessary to give a direct an.
ewer to the question put by the Honourable Gentle-
man. He bad never heard. of the imputation to
which the Hon. Gentleman referred until he came
into that House.

General G ACOY:NE, in explanation, disclaimed
any intention of imputing blame to the Hon. Geo.
tleman (Colonel GRAHAM).

Coloael GRAHAM,. also in explanation, observ-
ed, that he did not mean to say that any blame was
imputed to him by the Hon. General.
Mr. CANNING said, that though perfectly
agreeing with the Hqn. Gentleman who made the.
Motion, in the dedudion drawn by that Honourable
Gentleman with reaped to the Debate of Monday,
yet he attached much more importance to some cir-
cumstances: which' had arisen incidentally out of the
present discussion, inasmuch as it became a question
how I far the Honour and Interest of the Country
had been committed. As the Right Honour.
able Gentleman (the SRpRRTARY AT WAR) had
said, that at a future period it might become
a subject for consideration, he should not feel much
teluttance in assenting to the' Previous Question,
with an understanding that at a fuiure period it
should be inquired Whether there was any truth- in
the statement referred to, that during the period of
Negotiation, one of .His Majesty's Ministers had
refused to treat with the Accredited Agents of Allies,
for fear of giving umbrage to the French Govcrn.
meet. He thought that a most important question.
with resped to the charaeter of the Government and
the Country, and most important that such a scan.
dalous.rumottr should be proved to be unfounded.
The SECRETARY at IVA ,in explanation said,
that he did not mean to say that at any, future veriod
he should accede to a Motion for the produdbon of
the Papers alluded to.
Lord C ASTLE RE AGH said, there could be no
doubt that tilde Papers moved for, were not applt.
cable to the discussion.of Monday, for though they
might be moved for _with a view to a question;
whether the Ministers were right in concluding the
Treaty of Amiens, yet such a question ought not
to be mixed with that which related to the measures
taken in execution of that Treaty. With respeCt
to the charge made against Lord ,floamtr, it was
not very fair to bring forward such a complaint,
when it could not be immediately and direCtly eon.
"radiCted in that House, and whilst at the same time
an unfair impression Might be made upon the public
mind with respeft to that subje&. This motion could
however only apply to a_charge against`one of His
Majesty's Ministers, but could not apply to the
discussion of Monday. With resped to that charge,
the letter read.by the Noble Lord (HAwicaswurr)
was a construCtive denial of it, as it was.. not very
likely &the Maltese Deputies had received such an
indignity, that such a letter would' have been sent.
Dr.-LAWRENeE explained.
Lord TEMPLE said,' it was for the purpose of
knowing whether there was any ground.for the im.
ptitation alledged against one-of His Majesty's. Mi.,
nisters that the Papers were isked for. He had-too
, ,
high an opinion of Lord HotiAwr to suppose that ne,
would be guilty of the' conduit which was imputed
to him. lie trusted that such would not appear to
have been the conduit of 111;4 Noble Lord. As,
'however, the Papers moved for did not apply to the'
discussion_ of ..Mooday, •he hoped the Huo. Gentle.,
man would withdraw his Motion.

STURGES requested
.ro know the names
which were signed to the letter read by the, ,Noble
Lord.

Lord HAWKESH URY rend tnem.
Mr. Ir. sAMW thought the diseussinn had
been concluded with too much warmth, as His
jest Y's Ministers had displayed a disposition to give
the Ilouse every satisfattion upon the pipit res.
ped ing which information was requited. It was
impossible the the Papers now moved for could be
made; applicable to the discussion of Muuday, so as

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inotnent:
The Previous Question was then put and
as it`was also.Qn the geeolid,anA

• , - -
The third motion was rigre,ed-to:
60 the fifth Motion, respetqing
with ihe,Ctrutt.oriiapleS, relative to, the
la Mind o
Lord H4wlttstiiiitit likewise. moved the Pre?i.
ous Question.
Lord TEMPLE observed, that .00
Question,
hat
been urged in favour of the Previous Question,. an,,f
as the Island of •Larnpedosa was a itibjea so
daily alluded to in the Papers on the Table; Ile
thought smite explanatiOn ought to be given re;
speeling it..
Lord HAWKESBURY said) that the trotind of
moving. the Previous Question was; that he did no[
see how the Motion could be conneifted with the.
discussion of Monday respeaing the question of
Peace 'and War, as, if discusSed in any shape, it
must he so at a future period- with respc6t to any
investigation of Ole conduct of Ministers
Di. LAIP`RNCE observed, that it appeared that
Lampedosa belonged to a third Sovereign, who wai
not consulted with resped to its.ceSsion,lliii re.
quired explanation.
Lord HAWKESPURY said, that. Government
had noidea of France making 'such a cession ; the
only way in which it was introduced was by, its'
making part of an arrangement proposed for the
previous consent of the French Government,
Dr. LAVVitrNCE explained..

The Previous Question was then put and carried.
Lord TEMPLE said, that
.a charge bati beeri
brought apinst the Noble' Lord (filAwicEsauttv)
by, the French Government, for not having accord.
ing to previous agreement, deported to Canada nre.l
who had borne arms in defence of . their Country,.
and shed their blood in its detence—and ‘vfm.n tliit
Country bad proteeted and ericoraged, - Which had
not been repelled.
Lord' HAWKESBURY said, hat he b.a,i inad4
vertently omitted to answer that 13.0 it, ; but he
should think His Majesty's Ministers higly
nal, if they should attempt to force or &tart .then
who were under the protection of this Country:l. td
Canada.

The Bill for the Defence of the Country was read
a first time, and committed to a Select Committee
on Monday next, and the Committee orciered to sit
notwithstanding any adjournment of, the 1-House.
The House went into a Committee of the whole
House, on the Indemnity Bill, when the clauses
were Agreed to, and the repott ordered to be re.
ceived'on Monday.
Sir JOHN ANDERSON moved the first reading of
the engrossed Bill from the Lordsf for pUnishing
Persons guilty of burning Ships-tit Sea; &c: ThO
Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a
second time and printed.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER postponed
the 'third reading oldie Clegy men's Non.residence
Bill to Thursday next.

The Land Tax Redemption Bill was read . a first
time, and ordered to be read a second dine on, Mon,
day next.
The ComMittees of Supply, and Ways and Means,
Were postponed to Monday.

_
The third reading of the Bill for preventing Vex
utious Arrests, was postponed to Monday. Ad-
journed at 8 o'clock.

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