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of the Government. It watt stated in the accounts from
India that many of our-4,-giment-v- were proceeding up
country without any European r iedical practitioners
with them. He understood ther.‘a. 4' as the grektest difE-
culty in getting medical student, to offer for the army
employment ; and this no doubt. a; ..ose from no improve-
ment having been made in rt.s? ct of pay and otb'r
things. If their position were IrL;proved, and they 'got a
better status, the employment would attract better
class of students. He wished to as k whetaer it was likely
that before long any plan for acc omptlshin,-.4 this object
would receive the sanction of the (ic,Ttrr.m-eflt, and be
promulgated!
Gen. PEEL said there certainl ._Yb.ad been difficulty in
procuring the number of surgeon xecequired. A plan such
as bad been alluded to had 1- /tea con,idered, and for-
warded to the Treasury for ardrohaticn.
SITTING OF PARIAIIIVLENT DURING THE
SUMMER -111011/41-,Tas.
Mr. FORSTER gave notice t 'oat he would on Friday
call the attention of the hOOBO. to the inconvenience of
protracting the session dur.o, g the summer months.
SERVICES OF THE 'l'
{OO7. S AT ALUMBAGH.
Col. SYKES moved f r% copy of a letter from Lord
.nth April, 18.55, with its enclosed
Canning, dated the 3r
A Lieut.-Gen. Sir J. Outram, G.C.8.,
cdoepscyroibfiangretphoertsefrron-
vices rendered by the force under that
nffictr'' comma ad during the occupation of Alumbagh.
'The return wasordered.
THE SLAVE TRADE.
Mr. IT
-OTT asked the Chancellor of the Exchequir
when 'ae proposed to bring on the slave trade estimates'
T.'ne CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
depended upon the India Bid. Assuming that the bill
was read a third time on Thursday, he should propose to
go into supply on Friday morning.
IRISH EDUCATION.

Mr. DEASY. asked whether the voto as to Irish edu-
cation would be taken on Friday next !
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
♦ote was in No. 4 paper, which the committee were now
considering, and therefore he could not doubt that it
would come on on Friday. The vote to which the hon.
member for Gateshead (Mr. Hutt) hal drawn his atten-
tion was in paper No. 5.
THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA. (No. 3) BILL.
On the motion that this bill, as amended, be considered,
Mr. VIREGSON moved that the c ,nsideration of the
bill be. postpo, ed until Thursday.
Lord STANLEY said he was in the hands of the house,
add he understood that the house was in favour of pro.
ceeding. (Hear, hear.) There was nothing before the
house but the original bill and Come amendments that
had been in print for several days.
Sir H. RAWLINSON complained that, from the ar-
rangement of the bill, it was difficult to find tha amend-
ments.

The motion was negatived.
Lord STANLEY moved, in the stead of clause 31, to
insert a clause repealing certain clauses of the 16 and 17
Vic., cap. 95, so tar as the same apply to the admission
or appointment of persons to the civil service of the East
India Company. _

Sir J. G-RA.-H.A.M said he was very unwilling to ob-
struct any arrangement of the noble lord the President
of the Board of Control. He bad, in his humble opinion,
with so much candour and wisdom, amended this bill,
that he was very unwilling to suggest any doubt as to
the alteration he now proposed, but still he thought that
the amenment he now proposed would not be an im-
provement. It was proposed to leave out clause al and
to insert other clauses to the effect that the minister, in
making appointments to the civil service, should, in-
stead of asking the advice of the Council, ask the advice
of the Civil Service Commissioners. He thought that
the advice of the Council as to the appointment of civil
servants was the best advice he could have. (Hear.) It
was now left open to the minister to consult the commis-
sioners before bringing the matter before the Council ;
bet by the proposed clause there would be an ouster of
the Council and a substitution of the Commissioners.
The hon. member for Devonport (Sir E. Perry) had said
on a former evening that he (Sir J. Graham) was the
organ of the East India Company. He knew not what
he had said or done to justify that observation. He had
never hesitated to express his opinion that the Court of
Directors bad served the country in an eminent degree,
and that they deserved the gratitude of the British pub-
lic. He believed that they had been mainly concerned
in conquering our empire in the East. He begged to
inform the bon, member that he had not been in re-
ceipt of the wages of the East India Company, nor
had he at present any such ii.tention. (Hear, hear.)
He repeated that he thought the proposed amendment
would not be an improvement.
Sir E. PERRY supposed it would be considered that
the right hon. baronet made a very pointed and severe
attack on him when be alluded to not having received the
wages of the East India Company. He begged to observe
that the right hon. baronet was entirely wrong in his
facts. He was not in the service of the East India Com-
pany, nor a pensioner of the Company.
Sir J. GNAHANI—I did not say in the service of the
East India Company.
Sir E. PERRY—The right hon. baronet said, " in re-
cript of the wages." The fact was, that he bad received
public money for pablc services, like the right hon.
baronet, and without comparing himself to the right hon.
baronet, he would say that he had performed his services
as faithfully as he had done. Hs would tell the right
hon. baronet that he had done more injury than anybody
else to the measure before the house. He could easily
understand that the right bon. baronet having arrived
at his time of I.fe wan indisposed for any change, and
probably that fact accounted for his suggestion. He
thought the clause proposed was entirely in unimon with
clause and ha hoped the noble lord would adhere to It.
_ _

Mr. V. SMITH "did not wish for delay, because the
house wished to go into committee today. The discus.
sion had hitherto been ail strictly to the point, and there-
fore he thought they were entitled to have these altera-
tions made as plain as possible. During the sitting of the
committee the noble lord had laid on the table as many
as forty amendments, and the noble lord proposed also
to introduce fre-h clauses on the report.
Lord STANLEY said the simple olkct of the clause
was to carry out the generally exoresstd wish of the
house that the principle of competition in the civil service
should not be altered except on an appeal to Parliament.
Mr. GLADSTONE thtinked the noble lord for intro-
ducing into the bill a positive enactment on the subject
of competitive examinations. Furthermore, he thought
the noble lord would act wisely in providing that the
superintendence of the examinations should be placed in
the hands of the Civil Service Commissioners, because
they had the fiperience and staff which rendered them
the best qualified to conduct such examinations. But
the clause went somewhat beyond that, because it was a
complete ouster of the council from many matters refer-
ring to the admission of candidate- to the civil service
upon which they would be the most competent to give
an opinion.

M. MANGLES observed that there were other mat-
ters besides the .xitnination to be taken into considera-
tion, and upon 'hue the Minister could not do better
than consult hi+ courcA.

Lord STANLEY thought the 35th clause prevented
the exclusion of the council, but in order to pace the
point beyond doubt he would make a verbal altei,tion
in the clause, so as to combine the action of the council
with that f the Secretary of State.
The c'au a was then agreed to and added to the bill,
as was also the following :—" With a lcon•enient speed
after the pa,sing of thin act, regulations shall be made
by the Secretory of State in Council, with the a lvice and
assistance of the commissioners for the time beingactir,g
in execation of her Msj -sty's order in council of ?.Ist
May, 1855, fir rt gulating the admission of persons to
the civil service of the crown,' f.ir almitting ail petsony
being natura'-:)Grn subj.!cts of her M;:j..-sty (and of such
ale and qualification as may be prescribed in this behalf)
who may be desirous of bec,ouing candidates for appoint-
in,et to the civil servic, of India, to be examined as can-
didates acccriingly, and for prescribing the branches of
knowledge in which such candidates shall be examined,
and generally for regulatiug and nirducting such exa-
minations under the superintendence of the said last-
mentioned commissioners, or of the persons for the
time being entrusted with the carrying out of such
regulations as may be from time to time established
by her Majesty for examination, certificate, or other test
of fitness in relation to appointments to junior situa-
tions in-the civil service of the Crown, and the candi-
dates who may be certified by the said commissioners or
other persons as of iresai I to ba entitled under such re-
Oat on 3 shall be recommended for appointment accord-
ing to the order of their proficiency as shown by such
examina'imv, and snail persons only as shall have been
so certified as aforesaid shall be appointed or admitted
to the civil service of India by the Secretary of State in
council : provided always, that all regulations to be
male by the said Secretary of State under this act shall
be laid before Parliament within 14 days after the
making thereof, if Parliament be sitting, and if Portia-
be not sitting, then within 11 days after the next meet-
ing thereof."

Mr. GLIDSIONF., pur•tia• t to notice, rose t) move
the insertion of a clause relative to the levying of war in
India. He quite weeded to the principle of our con-
stitution, that the right of making peace or war was a
prerogative of the Crown and an executive function ; but
the exerciee of that prerogative was protected by a vs.
riot) of safeguards. For instance, it would be a viola-
tion of the constitution to maintain a standing army
without the authori'y of Parliament. Nor was that au-
thority a mere matter of form, because every year Par-
liament was called upon not only to vote the money but
the rumber of men, and that check insured the earliest
appeal to Parliament in all matters connected with the
levying of war by the Crown. So sacred was this prin-
ciple held that in 1825 or 1826, when Mr. Canning sent
a Areal! force to the assistance of Portugal against Spain,
that involved no increase of the national expenditure, it
was a message down to Par-
liamentthought outhaedsvuirjebcit;.toTbrhiengdifficulty of extending the
Principle to the ea/to of India was no doubt great, but by
no means so difficult as it was 60 years ago, when Par-
liament was first called upon to legislate for our East
Indi in territories, and when the average period of com-
munication between this country and India was not less
than five or six months, whereas now it did not take so
many weeks. And yet at that time both Mr. Fox and Mr.
Pitt embodied in their Indian Bill a elause embracing the
very principle he was now contending for. It might he said
that the provision in the latter bill proved ieeff!ctual, but
he did not refer to the efficacy of the provision so much as
to the principle which it sustained, and which asserted
the necessity of placing some limitation upon the pre-
rogative of the Crowu in making peace or war even in
India. Well, then, the question now arose in what
manner they should deal with the subject at the present
tittle. If it was thought practicable in Mr. Pitt's day,
sorely the restriction could not possibly be embarrassing
or inconvenient to the Executive Governnment in and
age when science was doing so much to shorten the
communion! ion with the East. But if the restriction
was necessary years ago, how much stronger bad the
case become by the lapse of time. In the days of Mr.
Fox and Mr. Pitt Indian wars were mere lical wars.
That was not the me now, for such had been the