The Sun.
London, England, 1858-06-02 00:00:00

world. Let them not attempt to follow a policy which
they must abandon in time.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER asked
what evidence there was that the power and influence Of
England had been exercised in a manner that called for
a resolution of that house ? One would suppose that
means bad been taken to constrain the Sultan to with-
hold his consent to the project, or that there were papers
on the table, sholing an intention of taking each a
course ? There was no evidence of that sort. When Go'
vernment thought the project was of an injurious Len;
decoy, it was not an undue interference to oppose it; and
he was unaware of any step of the late or present Govern
meat to cmstrain the Sultan. To pass this resolution
would be to give the sanction of this house to the pro-
ject, and whatever their ultimate opinion, it would be
unwise to bind themself to a project of doubtful, and in
the opinion of many, a pernicious measure. They should
not leave out of sight the feelings of the Turkih Govern-
ment. It bad been assumed that they were either new
tral or favourable. But the discussion had been a series
of assumptions; that Turkey was constrained by England,
that foreign nations were against us, &c. They were
told not to take a course hostile to France, but there
had been on the part of France no expression of feeling
of that decided character which had been implied. The
French Government had not desired to give to their
own opinion any weight beyond what it was entitled ta
in fair argument. There were grave political considers•
tions in the question which must not be made light of.
He would not say that political considerations must not
sometimes yield to moral considerations, and if he could
see that the general felicity of mankind would be ea
much advanced no doubt the political considerations
must yield. But these were speculations, and the poll-
tical reasons were facts. The integrity of Turkey would
be affected, and the Turkish Government were acutely
sensitive to the danger. It would also entail the Deco.
city of vastly increased armaments on our part, which
was a point worth considering in opposition to philan•
thropic results of a doubtful nature. (Hear, hear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was clear that great
power and influence had been used by the late Govera-
ment to induce the Sultan to withhold his consent.
(Hear.) It had always been avowed by Lord Palmer-
ston, and was not even now denied. If this were a
bubble project, if there were insurmountable physical
obstacles, and if the Sultan of his own accord objectede
there was no need for the power and influence of Eng-
lard to be used against it. As to the alleged injury. to
English interests, he contended that in peace our policy
was that of the purest competition in trade, and in ware
whatever would be the effect of a canal, the same would
apply to a railway.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND supported the policy which
had been hitherto pursued by various Governments of
this country, for he believed it to be the true British
policy. He therefore opposed the motion.
Mr. BRIGHT asked if the correspondence would be
produced, as in that case Mr. Roebuck might be in-
duced to withdraw his motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
would answer the question if put to him this day.
After some observations from Mr. ROEBUCK in replft
the amendment of Mr. Griffith was negatived without a
division, and the house then divided on the original
motion :--•
Ayes
62
Noes
290
Majority against Mr. Roebuck's motion 228
CHEQUES UPON BANKERS.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL introduced a bill
altering the law with reference to cheques upon bankers.
LANDED ESTATES IN IRELAND.
Mr. BUTT obtained leave to introduce a bill simplify' ing the titles to landed estates in Ireland.
CHURCH RATES ABOLITION BILL.
SirJ. TRELAWNEY moved that this bill be read a
third time.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND moved that the debate be ad'
joureed (it was half-pait one o'clock).
Sir J. TRELAWNY said the subject had been tho'
roug'cly discussed, and there was therefore no reason
why they sh :u?d not even at that advanced hour read
the bill a third time. (Cheers.)
Mr. NE WDEGATE supported the motion for ad-
journment, and declared it to be his opinion that gen-
tlemen epposite had come to the determination of en-
deay.)urir„.• to overthrow that august assembly the
House of Lords by an exhibition of brute force. (04
oh, and laughter.)
Mr. BRIGHT thought it was perfectly useless toad'
journ the debate, as the result would be the same in the
end.

Mr. GLADSTONE thought it only reasonable that
the motion for adjournment should be acceded to.
Lord J. RUSSELL also supported the proposal for
the adjournment, although he was quite ready to divide
then. In any case, it seemed to him that there was bat'
little chance of the bill becoming law during the pre"
sent session. (Cries of Divide.)
Mr. ROEBUCK wanted t, know whether the Go-
vernment
could give a day for continuing the debate if
they consented to its adjournment for the present I
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Co'
tainly joined in tlie opinion that it was unreasonable to
ask the house to divide upon so important a question et
such an hour. At the same time he could not give OP
a day for the adjourned debate. (Oh, oh.)
Mr. lIUGUESSEN considered any further discussion
a mere farce.
The house then divided—.
Ayes
Noes

103
150

Majority against adjournment... 47
Mr. F. HUM E moved that the house do now adjourn.
(" Oh, ob.")
Mr. COLLIER pronounced the opposition to the bill
to be factious. (Cheers.)
Sir J. TRELAWNEY declared himself determined to
proceed with the bill that night. (Cheers.)
Mr. DRUMMOND, although perfectly aware the
bill must ultimately be carried, would persevere in sap'
porting the motion for adjournment.
Sir C. NAPIER would promise his hon. friend whO
had' charge of the bill, that if necessary he would stay in
his place until 10 o'clock in the morning to support hirg•
(Loud cheers).
. After a long discussion, in: which a great number Of
members took part,
The house divided—
Ayes
Noes

................ 78
136

Majority against adjournment... 58
Mr. S. ESTCOUBT then proposed that the debate
should be adjourned until Tuesday next at 12 o'cloekt
which was agreed to.
The house then adjourned at 20 minutes to three.