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t endanger theC;ttntry,and ttxse it to hos.
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./ ..iiy, 'the recuerence df Which t shall deplore as
cleq)ly 'as, any indivTioal in this figirre,
occasion:.
the Motion.. is tippo•ed, I shall not 'have Otcasion.
to trouble the, Committee' any: lut titer." , ' •
~ . Mr. DENT thought the rinher:nolv proposed. '
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too tin'all. Lie iiim,ii led the eirett which the present
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'• course of Pititc- All• ii'rs. had, ritrls6l3riC tred i t, Ten
;,--, per cont.-loss, on•aEtidden, tiy4ts,,aagriei:ous. thing,. to
, the Stock Hohler.- 1-1 e th'4ght; ihat the 01,0-
: CELI,OR of the -i;CHEQUER, ,is lien he .laid before
:,. the House his fl,,urishing Stiiie (-_,I our' Finitnee;
~• vicitf,,,,t, ;)at;le fio peilv:ol. to tell 'u;, ihiir it was probable
that such 11 tdrn"as. the, present would tale 'OlaCe
i.i sq),,o, and then, iltliOtigh the: Pubfl6. jsVos,ultt 'have
been less elevated .at chat tinie, tliey wOurd. have
lh-eli 1.-.,s disal p.oino,.d nnsi..; ard; 'olcuufse, 'better
Preptell to meet their condition ; but he was .satis.
feed of the necessity of beps, properly prepatcd. He
,:, • thought the present`Vote.in atiequate to that end,,
~:''.. , and therefore he should mve, that instead of-10,0cm
o , ,
- ' there should be 25,000 Men voted for this Service.
'''.'•:. ' Mr. F.(..)';,k's,,id, i.e wishd eto trouble the House .
s'vith a levy words, . and. they
.slitnilthe bur.a 'few.
~, lie Nnctived it to be a question of a coo4itotional
..' Pouter', its to the manner. in which thisAiore was
discussed.' .7:le coold'noti hOvveveWleel.a. little stir,
l'riAd, that. a ,Friend near him had lamented there
;4 '"li been any discussion on the Address, on a fin.iner
eccoion. He hint;;elf begait the distussion. 4 le
could ri.o. blame himself for having-done so, not was
there auy thinz soiii,, upon that ocensinn; -that 7ilr ii
.7,-, •
. 1 In the least degree to be lamented. Upon the ques-
-14)11 nOW bffore the Committee, he confessetV, he
. .. had st),nc doubts. His ntii',;l etas ready to vote
.ttiti,
present as well as any other nuralivir •of Seamt-ti. He
"ins as ready to' ture,one number ;is another, anti.
their wt 4 the very ;Thing that tqa.tle'Lii-u:t;iooht, ht
cause he thought the House war* eaffed -upon to vote
in the dark ; thit they had nii'lp-,let- fiasOns for
. voting 10,000, than for votinglo,Qoo, or 1,0Q,009.
‘' ri" ')bjeetionv• 4110W,e vet, - was .4.)f. a :42onstitutioual
stature, for he thonglit that by thilcaurse
_they were
called upon to renounce the w hriie of their duty to
their Constittterti, andlAb gi'Ve ittiliitiiireti •c•li.ole
dente to the K;ng's gitilkets, It iVaS.Sii.dittlottbr.
ea Pts'-togative„ot His Majesty,_ to rnakeTeoOt. or
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*W"---1?e agreed o ill) his. H .11. Friend, Mr. r.R AN'-
•, •
Cis,
.91)0r1 tthe;,.til,.;,, et of,
interference of fiJrlt.'nu.-fit
it) tl‘c!=!: 44hjccts, for that we were !;-otittfi by the
'''• ,A• is .o.i. o:,vernment; as a Party is bound by the
set ,if his. A ge,!t, and th,st the only security the
Pubi:c h.,a ui:s in the re•Poosibility ~i Ministers ;
but this w 4., like every tl.ingel,,e cat loun in Consti.
? unions, it had its imperfections, which to;old nett be,
remedied, paliaps, witilOtlt introductoggteater evils,
'' uPtITI the; colisto toional. pinciple, that ills M jt..,. y t
Vile tile! wed or ill ;:avised, cotkld ruitt.his ,Peopte,by
!,:rins , I Pe,,fc.,-. o k. W.. 11., 'I: here seas s.: 0 :.n,u. 11 t it w a, :I
P(...yergratittql to I lie crown, and which, it abused,
' . 'tyas cap7ible of. 'throwing a tvhole ..P,-:ople
_ittt,t a
. ' Stale at' great dop,,g(ir ; but that was an incon-
vemencc %,,1,1„1,
,iv„eyowsj 1)e. cApthed to, since 2,0
much power collti not i:e ,r.) lolli-,1 lny_where t.- r.
...
With tln s.ititeA vrce ot.sliety., gut it should be. re_
.if :-. vr,,.,,,,i),-iesd, t h.! ,L'itlir.:,Spet la War, thiSpower iodic.
.
~ r'iv,ereign,l if tnt- t',.:oi,ie had noicheek 'Upon it, might
annihilate every priociple by •0: hich their prop( rty
'W;.s .ccured, and give up almost their civil tiger t,
xt:,tetice,, it thetetfifiAlipte ts'i6 this i:ower -lye"
to any Sovereign who may he illfadVis.ed, and surd;
the lkistory of th•sCOuntry tliett,sjich.a " may he,-
I;!',,s clot: ashore possibiflity,, Li) involve a. ivWole people
in a ‘Wr, the necessitv•of whielx ihey"liiid.,.no rneanS
of considering, and by, ‘‘,..iiith great part; perhaps
ii -:, ie whole co their property was lost, art'.their
I,i,vec, 'depending only on, theirowni coutio4e, there
should be some cheek soniew here in .the, hati,ls of
the People, aus.i.so there wits in England, bur' that was
a check which was felt in ii railice, al:liough it had
in tlr.ory no exisietace, for Ili~ \,!.,j,:•,sty Lad th t 1 e 11..
' - boun ed right' of either making War, by which his
,people might be detroyed, or Peace,
,by iv hiCh they
might be' enslaved— but in Engiantif..there. was a
cht.-Lk on the Prince who might bethusili-advised.
IN hat was tib, check,? it Was the
,power of with,.
;means holding the of carrying on destrotiiv,e pro.
jests ; that was the privilege of Par.liatnenf ; and
that was effectually done by with.liatfing,the ptifst
--and that made the Houses of .Parliament so Inf.
. portant to this CednitrY, for, aitho' they have neither.
prerogative of Peace or'War, nor constitutionally,
Influence over PeaCe'or 'War,let,W the prattiol ef.-
..:,
1
:, feet of the disposal of money by the Ferukative of
, the purse, they had" a Vero coti6derableCheck on the
.., .
condat of War or the maintenance of Peace : . both
Houses. had Oils power, but now More einphatically
the 1-Ipuse Of Commons.. Hence had arisen ihene.
eessity fdr the King, when His Majesty-had acca.
sion to' go to War, or to continue at War, of comiii
to his Parliament, arid. of -staring • the grotinas on
which he entered iti?o; orycoininut.d tJie War, and
~. Parliament had an opportunity of cOnsitiering• Such
~ reasons before thergranted the SUpplieS necessary
for such War ; anti this was riot an imaginary advan.
,'. take ; there were manor instances in the history of
this Country in which the Par:iament had corn.
polled the I)rinie to give' pp his projel, when
the prosecution , of it' was' telt to be injuriousto his. Subje4is. The ilefelition of the .Atne..
bean War was something of this nature ; hut
the eleteliBion of the .Var with 'the Dutch, by.
Charles the Second, was entirely. owing to the check
of Parliament. Hriw 'waisllfig check to be employed,
or 1,,,y was the necessity of it to be judged of ?.- 'By
1715116 r tirttliffiiiiiiciiirfa without" it no judgment
could,. be formed, liosystoodthe case at present ?
t he'night Hon. Gentleman opposite to him, not only
~knew M. pointa pratclice,' it was usual to give the
PMlsg-itliofmat iort,'bUi:ticine tivaigi v en at present ;bur
, if he saw sufficient cause to arm, armament should.
. flitie—freFeTer—initi 14. i rtisied had preceded this
application. For what purpose then wasthisappli.
cation maderiii:this Morin to the. House, by way of
mekuigejtom His M..jesty ? I.(was for the pur.
‘ pose of making the Honse a party to the War :.
" in4.,hat sense :of the niatter he could not help .c?b..
serving,. it was colter hard to 'make the.House:4
Party to a Matter at Mliell ii bad rt.)lnfOitllatton ;
nor were there aoY..i;ood precede'nts for it. He
• I<ii4W::llWrelWas a -tecent one howe Vet., that of the
Russian Armament ; but- there •Ntas- nothing. innr
ktlititit- that ' business that reeoihrninded - it- as- a
I.ltr,...eident, ' or It-latter worthy Of '-iini-tatiOn. 'Hi
'°P°4. the liOuse ',had not foigotten that it. might

by possibility leave an independent opinion, And
not that species of 'docility to Executive G
vernment which was-manifested by subrnis4ve
quiescence to etiery thing that datte4rimi Govern.
merit: It was possiblertnongy he owned not very
likely, that 'Parliament might I)ave.att-indefttiAnt
opinion, and that such opinion ,was.differunu
that of a Minister, although modern experience 1134
not taught us to exped it: but Parliament iniglit
possibly .think differently from Ministers, they
might think that more Vigour w,:+s neeessary:tha-ri
had been employed for some particplar purpoe,,more
decision, more arnument, even daring Neg,Otiat ions,
to give weight to our sentinrients: begtcd leove
to` say, that he meant these olistirwalfons as merely

general observations; he was givirlgpPpirticalat opi-
nion upon the particular case now before the House,
All he wanted to do was to remove frisiM 'the Com-
mittee all idegulconsidetingitselfboirlid"to asserh to a
proposition bepause.it came from thecrown,brutbich
they would, make themselves a mere echo. lie did
not mean to say'that , the present application was
unfotin-deil. He thought it extreinelyinipioba.ble that
Ministers-,would have-given, tlrtis vlaint.withouti.oc-

casiorr.; they would not take a step,at once so use.
lcss.andmisehievous ; but they proceeded on ground
ihat would, on inquiry, justify them in %.1111t.
they is ere doing,; dart yet notfwithstanding this
knew 'enough . of the; history.Aif, twatk.indotfiAe
aWots, that however itnproLible; yet ,was
but jus.t barely, pOssille; hat U all' the case
,Were
disclosed to the 'House,- as Itlickqii!"lo the
i\linister,. the' House arld,thc..llllarlister
upon the ?attire and e*teft,ppf,:iti:for whichryasop
he wished not to be made a 'party ED this husinesi,
until.he had some information of its•naturc. He had
sonic reason for staring trilialijit „oil rather strong.
ly, since he was known. tO *till the Iphabtrant,
of this Country, one ortliimost..anxious for avoid-
r : brrt wishet}`it•tt bet tMdei-tin4, that
be had not used a single wortlAnixii4hs,-stiliSch br
would not have use' if he•ha4l-ttgr,.ed in repnibating
the last Peam; .With reapta the .present
st ra t ion, and the conditions of the Peace of Arniens,h,
was one of tlioiit wit& do Out iti h
uesB:sl►opltl terminate,in,War,, ► etetot.eiit .isl:lßtf7
facie cviCieiice drat the Peace at Apiens WaSOor a
good Peace.'said Eliat the, Pi,:at".' was
a good Pettei,. 'and, ace ttre t werefeltgioli
..to whAteyer may. be 16: ,e 4.4111 f the_ present
Negotiation orpi,cussion, By, goodtepits, he di,t
not Mean irie'ont 'Orison with Mitt some ,diet=' per.
sons Might have sugge;teci, hot ,sligible in comra.
riSort•with.the Attsnative, wlil tt waS dist vii
flatting the War.,
.1-1 c ;11.1d hi and i -obj, ;he
last react!, ilwt there was lib real cot
us in" the Power with whom I"eaktt.,;-
now lrie cook! riot help,thinkin t 1 t. e waNed
until a Power with which e 11;-! at "War
for seven years hecatrie'cord 11 in P-H:
us, we should Wait longer than wa, t'i
fiat's Pr:takcable_tor Our existence; bef we ~.;reed
on reins of' Peace. lie had gone as fir be -',L="-'ed
aynv h.tdy, or nearly farther titan ditto;, in in-
si Clog, on the rP,Toti.ibili-Of ; hot cf. it
.
Was to he that Ministers of tttt, enn.,try
Were never to make Peace with' Fr ince until Francv
bad a cordial qiend.,;hii.). towards us, and that
sisters were not only responsible for the 'terms or
the Peace, 'hitt. also for the sincerity of the friend,
ship of the Fiench towards us, it Was a species of
responSibility which he never would' j•tin in calling
for ; he therefore could riot help red irding this as
an eftraordinary to 'the Peace of Atuienki
He was glad -of the Peace of Amiens on its own
grounds ; but tre was a friend. to it still more,on ac-
count of its having ptit an end to the most 'hateful,
odiotts, abominable, detestable principle, by which
it was accomiiiniied, 'and on which it ,was pretended
to be instituted and carried on. He,
.hoped we
Should hear no further of a, War for Religion and So-
cial Order. Did he,thereby Orean'to say, that Re.
ligion and Sewial Order were not gnod in thernselvs?
No, he did not; so tar frotn it, that be regarded them
as the blessings of human life t---:.what rte abhorred
was, that bate, detestable•bypocrisy, which atreaed
to have these blessings in view, •wheh they were
rotiailv our of ; and 'he was sure that
such hateful' affettation cootrinuted not a little to
the'clifeafs of thOse who professed it, aid Such
would .always be. the: case while hypocrisy was
ocliods to the huMan mind, and hateful to the
huthan heart; -For what this War Was to be, he
knew not. Whether it w,o connected with
with Alexandria, or 'any other part Of the world,
he, knew not. The. House :was wholly ignorant
upon that stibjeft ; but he would put ro the Rothe
the onlY,ground on which' he thought a Wit neces-
sary, that was 'to maintain our r.ink aotl estima.:
tion in the world. A War undertaken really

and truly for that objed, was even in his ide-a
just and necessary, 'great as his desire was to
avoid War, because without 'Hononr a Nation
was insignifiCanti and to maintain-a War really tin=
de rtaken for that objed, and which ()hied could
not be obtained without it, he was confident the
People of this Country wnuld cordtallyjoin.. He did
not concur in the idea, that it was necessary to use
language to give spirit to the People, as it was called.
It a War was necessary, we knew.we must enter on
it heartily ; we could do no other. As, to
;the ex-
preision his Hon. Friend, .that ,ours Was a Go_
verninent front which all the.abilitYJA the Cou:ury
was excluded, and as such was the case, we count
not go to War, he shoUld only observe, that -in
any 'War in Which this Country was engaged,' it
would depend a great deal on its naval- force ; ;r•ki.
while Earl. SAINT VINCENT was at tht:! head Of the
Admiralty, to say that all the ability of the Country
way excluded froth Government, was to say that

which would not easily be assented to in any tart
of this ..habitable globe. He then proCeeded to
obserVe upon the necessity of defining our objet if
we were under the necessity of going to War ; for
it was the giieatest fault of the List War, that the
objed bad never been defined, that no specific
jet %vas understo,Rl, in this Country, nor possibly
in any other,,' and that, wade the peOtte 'feel .ratl'wc
coldly at .different teriods of the War; ajthone,i;
they were 'at all tittles dutiful and loyal. Tiwy
Were cold I).c.:;zhe they did nt)t.ufiderstand distinctly
for what they were fighting. He hoped We slion'id
I)Yb4r experience, and, that if we went to
War, that we should-distindly know the cause 0
it. He agfeird with the Right Hon. Gentleman,

tliat the time was .not -emit. for ._entering into the
.
questjon.:of the r:Tsporpibility of 1111inister,s. The
Right:Hon. Gentleniati had complained •th:ft he had,
:een ftequen:ly repr,;ached_withOnt foundation'; and
he was teddy -that, in 'many instances such,
was the case. 'FL admitted that it winild not' be
proper fit present to 'enter into the discussion
of . any concessions which might, be 'y'equireiron
the one side cr the.. other but `.lf any cbnces-
sions were 'called- for, which in the • judgment
of His Majesty's Ministets might be' Made, eon.:
the-tnterest and'honour of
.this'Coun.
t rv, he hoped lie would not be deterred from making
liralif high:founding, Words that fright be
used in that,House, orelseWhere, It ..Was not ne-
cessary to- use -such -kind- of language, :far the
purpose of raising- the -spirit of the: People, and
to tell theth iNhat interest they bad' in contend-.
ing ft -n- • tlqiirlibruini and Their The Peo-
ple of this Country knew
.the interest they had
to defend, -Nod they knew the eiertions that
must be 'Made, therefore lofty words, COW have
no _influence with them—lndeed, in his opinion,
such arts were -culpable ; it—was enough if :the
people were ready to go to,War„. when they-knew
that War 'cotild 'be avoided with honour'; and
certainly, if it could- be avoided with honour,
was an event most devoutly to be wished. He re-
que4steJ il>e House to consider the situation in -Which
the,Ctoqtry was placed. He, did-nut mean to ,the.
predate 0e- :Naval or IVlilitary means cf the Country.
The nivy o.fEngland was dese t'y mm of all the pa.
negkriC'Whieh.filidlieen bestowed-upon it .3. deserviing.
of.tttLihp praise which language cotild bestow, for it
in-.;st true , that , all Eurooe,hatt not,any,thing
ecitnl ;o Navy. But While he, spoke
thus he did not
twate.any thing against our land-force; :he 'never
had any doybt ;heir power, but: at, the latter cod
of the last War that they were, what • they had
been c'onsiiicrd, as the. best ',troops in
gritope. fully-believedl'ii6t that he could be
•uoposed to, have any particular knowledge upon,
tt.g AS he was not a military man, but he.
Inrineti his opini.m upon the information of those
tvliOs.e judgment he respeded, and by whom he was
informed, that at the conclusion of the War, the
rtFputat ion of the British-Troops was. at least as high
as .thars.of •aay:froops- in 'the world„ It might be
then said, what had we then to feat -----innst undoubt-
ed), tuithing. still it was desirable that Peace
should be maintained, if it could be done consistent-
ly. -with our ,tiatiOnal honour, and character, ,There
w.a.s not any man who cf.nild ebt,sidcr. the state of
this Country, and the state of iii,Fin.ances (which
was, in • some respells, highly pros'pernos); who
must, not , feel...that ..War carried:on,: ..evun: sup_.
posing :it shzuld be carried on
.I,,,vith, tininter7.
mined \j)rosperity, .sueces'sful in every' 'Expedi-
tion, fortunate in every plan, there was' 4,inan,
he said, but must feel that 'War carried ..ow even
under such circumstances, must be-grievous,
mitous, and pethap, in the event ruinous. He cer.
6inly should not oppose the Motion, bin' he only
wished. los further information upon the subjelt, for
he did-
.not
_recoiled any instancy in..former Wars,
when a. measure of tleis kind was adopted, without
'greaterdrgre.. of information thati 'had been laid
before the Thu.,- of commons upon the preSent oc.'e
casion. •

Mr. FRANCIS explained.
Mr. .BUKNOUGES- that Ministers had
been called on to enter at large into every
particular connei!ted with the present question.
He. thoughti that the business before the House
did not demand rwore information with resped
to thi affairs between this Country and France,
than what had been already stated by• the Right
Honourable .the. CHANclll.l.,ott of the ExCligtivett,
At present, the measure to be adopted by the
Vote
,of the House, was not expressive of an in.
tention to enter into a War with France, only
went to prepare for the worst—to prated our Laws,
and, every thing that was dear to us, by the increase
of our Sailors and Soldiers. An Hon. Gentleman in
the House had been speaking in high terms of ap.
probation on di ire reit t Officers, who had distinguished
thnnselves in the last War, and though he admired
thilse great men as much as any one could do, yet he
did not see what .these, Gritlemen alluded to, had to
eta with the present question. The, subject which
the Ilonse, was
.at. preNent called to consider was,
whether they would grant an increase of Ten Thou.
sand Men, which was the result of His Majesty's
Messa3e. , He said it was proper togtant that num.
her of men ; the happiness and safety of the Country
depended on our caution, and the exertion, of our
Military and Naval Force, if there was an•occasion
to call .thern into adion. He. thought we were
greatly indebted to Minist,erS, for the care they had
taken to:keep the Country safe. It might ue said,.
by. many Gentlemen, that there was no .cause for•
Alarm, at-hi it had been said, that if there 'was, any,
real cause for the, increase of our Army, and Navy;
Ministers should‘laybefote the Housethose grounds
of Alarm,,, to warrant the adoption of the. present
measure. But every .amber must be satisfied that
the French were making rapid pteparations for souse,
Unknown purpose, which was not .justitiiible accord.:
ing to the Peace nil ificii at Amiens, ant{ which
gured a
against
hostile,
,to this Country, if snot
,onarded ac,wainst by the, vLigA.,tnce .c.ii7.our Ministers:
These dark and wicked designs were, thank, clod,
'not too oiwuiellor the watchful eye.of our Mini.
stets, who deseive every encorniew for their itinne.
diate attention to the .safet'y of thc..People. Great
as France certainly wOldd never
be able- to domineer over this Country ; and he
.doubted not but we:were cqual in strength to :My
force the French .could send,againSi us. *lle ,there.
fore should give his vote in favour of the MotiOrt ;
arid' he must be ‘,.:erinitted to 4.6 .erve, that lie thought
the Mini;ters had acted right in not entering into an
explanation as to the atEtirs of the Country 'since
'the Peace_; qtiCh an expianaticin would,•at this time,
he an improper .exposure, CHANG ELL°
die 14.4.i:pEcatrli had given- his -word to lay liefore
the lionse 'every :pr,oper information, ,it we went:
under the disagreeable necessity of going to War
with France ; butts this meastve was only,intentkd
to secure every blessing Eol,ijishinen at present en.
joy, it wOinti.not be political for the Minister -to
N,4y more .than h had already ',sai&on the subject.
I.7rI).I.IWKESBURY said, his principal objca
In risiit" was to advert to some points Which 4a,1.

V. ~t

-_beets touched e.y
11c diare.l wi!h ti
retie • - or: 4,3 ,
to the ; ~.;
iffoa. al to Co, distioc.
t'on between the Prerogati..:- e,!....tnag Peace an
War; rt was tin. questiee-hly the prete)gt!zi',,e•oi
, ,je'ry to. mike Peace, (S:it Parliament n:ie!:,t
consider the.terns of that Peace, and imoe icit the
Ministers whit nistie it, or-ttcldress.llis Jl,l,jety fur
the reinival of thoie Ministers, if titcy thought p!'n,i
per so to do, 'As to the qtestion of VTar., as it ta,a3
diffetent.frorn that,of Peace,. So the power, of th..,
House was and ought to ,he 'differently c,-.-;.el-,:i4ect
upon that. subjea : His Majesty:was- k-• 17)
tl prerogati malt i '‘Var ; but it e t; !
stated, that it was the,prerogative ui e
refuse the Supplies. The Hotn:e,
they 'had no negative upon the MAKlfly; 01 ,
they, had-a prailleal negative•upon its cootie nice
:his gre,w,out of„the Co .tse. ostitti!ion ; if„ and wal
tremely essential the interest.; of theeC,..runtrv.,
He would-wish in apply these principles,sio oral r.
circumstances, ,nam4y, to the qeestian _after - ths
conclusinn.of 4Nre4,ni,:tbn, as. to what information.,
it would. be neec:'-sary to prodrce,respeeting that.,
Negotiation.- Of this His MAjesry's
must jtitlge, and; if the, House did not think ti!.e
formation
,priNiuced sufficieot, they could address,
His Majesty for further:information. He should,
say, that n a rase of War, there -N0114.1 lie I",,ViittA
all the prima f;Leie informatioa .which could ,t:e. nc.,.
cessary to justify that \Vat ; hot in a case of Pe3crit,
Wt:icit .seas satisfallory to the -I.'we, ill. th;o,iput,
frcie evidence relating to it need not be pro-dayeeits
Ope case:ought not to he comparedwi another in a,
• C;tse Of,War, all the information respeding the ce.o:es:
shicli,ledto tint War, ought undoubte,ilx., to lie
laid before the Hosuse, to enable them to ,form a 1
judgment upon the subjed ;. but in a.casc of reace,,
tL here every point had beeen amicably adjust."
ed, it would be improper to day before the
Public all the irritating Circumstances whieh.mighe
have been attendant' upon the course of the Negotnt-
' lion. 'Did he. therefore draw an unfair inletence,
when.he said, -that in a case Of, Peace, it must lay,
with the Executive Government as to how far enoto
or Jess inconvenience, would he produced by the
produftion.of Certain infOrmatioo: the House must,
, judge whether the information -.produced was suffi.
eient, and if they jhought not, .they,could ac lre,s
His Majesty for more. pease might be, according,
to ciretnnstances, kgreater evil 'than War; hot.
Must suppose las the.abstraet, the. one :a he a
ii ~ and the other an evil, and theretore
Lion might be necessary in one case, am,d
wiwr. :The Hon. Gentleman ( \Jr.
• col an expression, as to whether the v,),e
night might' not commit the House to ;
'• agreed with the Hon. Gentleman, ti,:•!
the House ought to. have proper .in.,rinatioe,
the vote of that 'night could nor bee,rnsi...tel as
cotnmitting the House u) War: The question then
came to this, whether, in the case of -i pending
Negotiation, whielt was nor weesarily to !earl to
hostilities, the House 'tight to call fOr infortna.."
tioit He believed it had never been Usual to call'
for infortnation in similar cases. The Hon. 'Gentle.
man had alluded to the Russian Armament ; but
that was an Armament fur political purposes,. and
the question-Was; 'whether the House should inter.
tere respelling the BalanCe of Power ? The Hon.
Gentleman might then have said, he sow no reason
for interfering in the War between Russia and 'fur.
kcy, and as to political 'reasons, those are in
Your of Peace; anti arguing in this way, he mile
have called for information Mille first instance to he
laid before the House.. But here it' was not a sue.
scion between Russia end Turkey, but between this
Country and a- Power 'whose warlike preparations
were always inimical to- this Country, arid he be.
lieved 'it had always' been usual to arm as an enemy-
arms. He' conceived that a Naval Armament in
the ports of an Enemy was 'a -sufficient ground for
this Country to arm. 'I he Executive Government
_was,- he considered, bound 'to arm in such a case ;
and if Parliatnent were sitting, to send' a Message
on the subjetl. He had stated this.case, supposing
there was no subjeet for discussion between the. two
countries, but where an Armament was combined-
with discussions- of considerable importance, and
that was -stated to the House, surely the House
could feel no difficulty in sanitionitig precautionary
measures. Precautionary measttres were undoubtedly
necessaty, and they-wound not in theslightest de-
gree commit the House, as to the subjeft in ,iiscus.;
skin between this Counts); and France, which would
be completely left open for future discussion,. when
it would become the duty of His Majesty's Mini-
sters to produce information. His Majesty's Mi_
nisters did not desire more confidence than aust
necessarily be given to the Executive Power. Con-
fidence was of two kinds, the one that which must
be given to -the Executive Power, and the other
such as the House might think proper to give,
arising-out of the conduit of l his Majesty's Mini_
stars., All. that -His Majesty's Ministers asked-
, was, that they might be dealt with 'fairly upon
this subject: Confidence having been given to
them, they had a right to say it ought not to be
withdrawn, unless upon, inquiry thc7House should
see areason for so withdrawing it. That was all
His, Majesty's MiniSters asked they were reason.,
snit:. tut Jt9tconcluA, and they were Weil a:vare
faf the duneulties of their situation.; they had been
;141"L''d oats laya sense of duty t(./tViiTas their
k.tig and country : tley would be teddy' to
lay before "the House every information at a
ptopeer period, .and' they only a:,ked that,, they
might be dealt with an.l not prejadge‘l :
they wiShed to stand or" fall by the opinion of Par.
e
lAwia,tinisne(u.l'i',-nits,tliteaectie'idissoaftrlyal
tpHC‘lo:t;t:.::Gr,Yne.unr:
was(ll,rci7.oe,Dfte
gtiti)e,t:art.:
prat ice to .VOEe the number proposed by the. E3tecu..
kive.o9Yerini*nt : the ilouse might reance the
her, but to increase it was not a vet); usual ton di.
of prpce,tding, The 1-leuse had voted so ,tuoo Sea-
men, whieh, with the to,oao,nOw proposed, would
make 60,000, which was ali that was at present re.
quitede_ , • .

Fox and Lora fiwv/KEsn URI" stvet4lly eX.

Mr. ELIOTT bail, he rose to give his cheerful
Concurretics to the prorOsetio Vote ; he though; no

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rtitt, either within or without the House, could ob_
jcet to any measnre that would tend to provide for
the Security and Honour of the Country.' The
subjeet' was, however,- involved in obscurity, and
he could not help adverting to that sort of systema.
tie datkness in which the Country had beqn in.
volved ever since the Signature of the Definitive
Treaty. The House was perfeftly 'uninformed,
whether the Articles of that Treaty had been exe-
cuted.or not ; they were only informed by rumour
that some stations were given up, and that others
were still retained ; but how it could have happened
that any Conditions of the Treaty should at all have
been fulfilled before its benefits and - advantages had
been secured, the HouSe remained in a state of
norance ; whether that state of ignorance was com-
patible with the duty of Parliament he would not
now-argue, but he did believe it to be unprece-
dented.

CANNING said, it was not his intention
to trespass on the attention of the House many
minutes, but he could not help'observing, that he
thought the Minister ought to have laid before the
House better grounds for this measure than he al-
ready had. don' ;. and though a better explanation
was necessary an such an Important question, yet.
Ise was sbe every Member would support it with
cheerfulneSs, when the Country was.in'tlanger, He
had been told•that there is a great Armartit;ocear.:'
tying on, on theother side of the ‘vater, there-.
fore we requi:ed an ,additional military 'and naval'
etrength to defend this Cduntry : thought It was.
therebreproper,' that We should receive additiOnal:
iYtitirmatton'Onrthe subjea. lie begged leave to
call to the recolletlion of the House the period when.
the French 'sent an. Armament to St. Dontirso ;
finis Government was Talous.of the condud of the
First Consul, end the Minister did not at that time
think. it improper to inform the House of every
particular eonneded with his precaution at that pc.'
ri‘ d, for the public safety. It, he could.explairi his
reason for the .caution he used at that time, he
thought the. Minister ought to give the Houk iiibre
inibrmation than he hitherro'has done 'orraqueStiOn'
of so much moment. However, some Gentlernen
May vote 114. an ad.litional Armament on our-part.
to prevent an inva;ion, but he should give h
vote to enable Ministers to bring the questi(4l
between the two Countries to An issue, Whether•
pe3ce or War. We may continue longer in a
mite of suspenseour peace had been s:mie time
delusive and uncertain—it was therefore time we
should understand in what . situation -we Were
placed. in the history of the world there was no-
thing of a- similar nature ; and in the whole voe.
bulary Of politics there was no phrase to give a clear
meaning to our Peace. .He therefore should vote
for the question, for the reasons he had just given.

Sir WI id LI AM PULTEAW said, one Gentle.
than had said he was for War ; another expressed
his wish, for Peace ; Out he should endeavour to steer
tie middle course. He believed the People of this.
Country would, if there was necessity, defend their
rights, and oppose an Encuiy, with as much zeal as
ever (hey bad done ; but it did not follow, that we.
must go to War, from what we are now about to do
by the voice qt. the House. This measure went to
kbew that we were able to stand against a•French
L;tack, if there was an ocertiaion for it. lie could
riot but express his surprise, that any. Gentleman
blkaild wish that the Minister would disclose at pre-
sent every circumstance conneaud with the affairs
of the two C.:,tintries—atThirs of the utmost magni-
tude, which vuglit to he conduf,led with great eau.
lion and ability ; and he was sure no man was bet.
ter able to condu6k such an arduous undertaking,
than the Hon. Gentleman who had now the honour
to stand at the helm of Public Affairs. The French
bad arrived at a very alarming height of ambition,
and had become a formidable. Power, yet he thought
if the wound could not be healed between the two
Countries, it would be better to encounter a War
now, than at a ftiture period.
CANNING' said a.few wards.

,41r. Ti?ENCH said, that it must appear
olmost every person present, that the French' Arma.,
ment was not merely Colonial, and therefOre {here
was a necessity for using every caution to prevent
danger. The Hon., Gentleman bestowed many,
encoiniums on the vigilance of Micisters, who, he
said, had shewn .a proper anxiety for the safety of
the Nation, which he hoped would be the means,
hot only 'of. shewing.the French our determination
riot to be trilled with, but prevent a sudden attack
./11 the Country.
ATKlNsgaid, this Motion had his most de.
cided support ; and he wished, that nut only t 0,060
Men should be voted to Government, but that,they
khould be supplied -also, which he was convinced
might be done, by a judicious plop of inrolment,
CANNING suggested to the lior.].Gentle.
man who had moved the Amendment, that, uraler
tile present cireumstancei, it would be better to
withdraw it.

Mr. DENT consented to withdraw his Amend,
ment, and the Restitution was agreed to.
The following Sums were also voted :
003,c001. for Wages Inc the said Seamen.
soe,oool. f t Victuals.

io,orlol. for Weir..nd 'rear OfShip6.
$7,0001, for Ortinalice for the.said Ships.

The Report of the Committee was ordered to !o:
received on Monday.

Dr. LATVIOSNe:E said, he hail given notice of
a motion previous to the Recess, but under the pre.
sent circumstances, he could not think of bringing
forward any sahje4 which might tend to enibarass
His Majesty's Nliaisters.

The flon,e weAt into a Committee on the Irish
Customs: Ha'. 114# Report was ordered to be re.
6!ived on Montiny.Or _ _

Mr. Wrcovort &stporied his Motion respeEting
the Irish Militia tiltiMondoy.

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Mr. KEENE 'aid, that another subjea of consi:.
table impotence toad for thisday ; but as the hour
ivas rather lat , and the House was fatigned,with
t he delmte which had already taken place, he hoped
the Noble Lord would postpone the subjel to a fu-

turf!
Drat' C.V,TLEI?EAGII said, he was perfeetlY
teaclv to gn-inip the sratenfent then, but as it Would
1)e a. tons r4ther dry derail of figures, was
Oady, i, such was the pleasure of the House,-to defer
Monday.

it watt v.,

irgly postponed till Monday,