The Sun.
London, England, 1858-06-12 00:00:00

lAMENT,

HOUSE OF LORDS......(YESTERDA.Y.)
Lord REDESDALE took his seat on the woolsack,
in the absence of the Lord Chancellor, at 5 o'clock.
THE CAGLIARI.
The Earl of MALMESBURY said last evening a
noble earl (Airlie) put a question to me as to whether
any final communication had been received from the
King of Naples respecting the application of her
Majesty's Government for compensation to two
British engineers. I was unable to give au answer last
evening ; and as the noble earl gave notice of his inten-
tion to put the question at another time, I am
happy in being enabled to inform him and thus
save him the trouble, that we have just received
information that the King of Naples has paid
to Her Majesty's Government the sum of 3,0001.
as compensation, and that without the slightest condi-
tion. (Hear, hear.) The Neapolitan Government had
also given up the ship Cagliari and the whole of her
crew into the hands of her Majesty's Government.
(Hear, bear.)
The Earl of CLARENDON—I have heard the
noble earl's statement with great pleasure,
but I wish to know whether I understand
the noble earl correctly, that the Cagliari has been given
up to her Majesty's Government, whether it should not
have been the Sardinian Government ? (Hear.)
The Earl of MALMESBURY_The Cagliari and the
whole of her crew have been given up for disposition
to the British Government. (Hear, bear.)
In reply to a question from Lord CAMPBELL,
The Earl of MALMESBURY ,said the controversy
between the three countries, England, Naples, and Sar
dinia he now looked upon as settled, (Hear, hear.)
DESPATCHES FROM INDIA.

The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said he had been
informed that the Government had received very im•
portant despatches from India, he wished to know
whether the noble earl (Derby) would have any objec-
tion to lay them on the table ?

The Earl of DERBY said it was quite true such de-
spatches had been received, but he had not yet had an
opportunity of reading them. If the noble earl would
put the question to him on Monday evening, he would
give him an answer.
PROPERTY QUALIFICATION ABOLITION
BILL.
Earl FORTESCUE moved that the house go into
committee upon this bill.

Earl GREY moved that it be an instruction to the
committee to amend the bill by the introduction of clauses
a,holi,,hing the privilege of freedom from arrest now en-
joyed by members of Parliament.

-Lord- CAMPBELL thought the present time very
inopportune to introduce such an amendment, which
might lead to the arrest of a gentleman going to Parlia-
ment to attend to his duty.

Earl STANHOPE a.bo objected to the proposed
clause.

Earl GRANVILLE slid the question raised by the
noble earl (Grey) was a very important one, but he
thought the best way to deal with it was to introduce a
distinct bill on the subject.
The Earl of DERBY said, whatever connection there
might be between the abolition of the property qualifi-
cation of members of Parliament and the freedom trorn
arrest, it was not so close as to render it absolutely
❑ecessary tLat it should bo considered in conjunction
with the present bill.
Earl GREY refused to withdraw his motion, which
was then put and negatived without a division.
The bill passed through committee, and was reported
without amendment.

EArl FORTESCUE said he proposed to take the
third reading on Monday ncxt.
Their lurthhip3 then adjqurned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY.)
The Srmuum took the chi:ir at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following bills were read a third time and passed
—Lancaster and Carlisle Railway 13111, and Manclie,.,ter,
Sheffield, and Lincolnshire and Great Northern Rail-
way Companies Bill.
ORANGE LODGES.

Mr. J. FITZGERALD gave notice that on Tuesday,
he 29th, he should move resolutions relative to Orange
,odges in Ireland.
CONSOLIDATION OF THE BANKRUPTCY
AN 0 INSOLVENT LAWS.

Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that,—on Tuesday,
211, he should move fur leave to bring in a bill to amend
and consolidate the laws relating to bankruptcy and in-
solvency. (Elear.)

ifUDSON'S BAY.
Mr. ROEBUCK gave notice of a series of resolutions
for Tuesday, 22d inst., riative to the Hudson's Bay ter-
ritory.

EMIGRATION TO THE CAPE OF GOOD HOPE,
Sir DE LACY EVANS gave notice for Monday n(x*,
of an address to her Maje6ty relative to emigration to
the Cape ( f Good Hope.
LUNATIC AS? LUMS COMMISSION (IRELAND)
Mr. MACARTNEY asked the Chief Secretary for
Irel.ltl whether there was any proNpeot of the lab,3ura
of the Lunatic Asylums Cmimission (Ireland) being
brought to a close, so that the report might be laid upon
the table previous to I,t July
Lord NAAS said the committee were still sitting, but
ho expected their labours wculd close at the end of the
week, and he hoped the repirt would be in the hands of
members by the first week in July.

ANNEXATION OF DHAR.
Mr. J. B. SMITH asked the President cf the Beard
of Control whether the Government had decided on con-
firming or disallowing the annexation of the Princi-
pality of Dhar; and, iu case the Government had de.
tided on the above que,tion, ;vhether it would produce
copies of the correspondence a hich had t....ken place on
the eubject ?

Lord STANLEY said the despatch concerning the
determination of the Government in reference to the
matter was in course of preparation, but it bad not yet
gone out. It was the intention of her 'Majesty's Gr
cerement to disavow the policy of annex ition as
regarded the territory of Dhar. (Llear, hear ) Toe
present occupation of that territory was only provisional,
and subject to further z xplanati_ n which ho hoped to re-
ceive. (Hear.) In the present state of affairs, it would
be premature to produce the correspondence. (Rear,
hear.)

THE NATIONAL DEFENCES.
Sir C. NAPIER rose to ask the Chancellor of the
Exchequer whether it was his intention tocoansakegfuoreaanes
additional vote for seamen and marines,
in
of the vast preparations making in some parts of Europe
by sea and land; and whether, when the additional troop"
were to be sent to India, it was the intention of the Go.
vernment to call out an equal number of militia to re-
place them. It was not long since the right hon. gentle.
man told his constituents at Slough that we bad been
within a few hours of war with France, and from the
present state of that country it was very probable the
1 same thing might cccur again. After the very alarming
article which appeared the other day in the loading jour-
nal of Europe—which bad created a considerable degree
of alarm throughout the country. (" No, no.") Parlia.
meet and the country ought to be made aware what our
defences were. He had not the slightest idea that the
Emperor of the French desired a war with us—but there
was an immense army kept up in France, and, after the
recent manifestation of the predominant pbsition which
it bad assumed, nobody could tell whether it might not
drive the Emperor to an attack on this country. The
French Government had lately been making immense
exertions in all their ports. Cherbourg was now open,
and it was connected by a railway with Paris, as were
the other ports. Railroads had totally changed the
whole face of European warfare. By means of them the
French Government would be able to moreetroops with
the greatest ease from one end of the empire to the
other, and they also gave every facility for bringing sea•
men from Toulon and the Mediterranean posts to the
channel ports France bad, of course, a right to get as
large a fleet as she thought proper, but this extraordi-
nary activity must create a suspicion in the minds of the
people of this country. She was on good terms wit
America, and the increase in the navy could not be di-
rected against Austria, which was not a maritime power ;
and there could be no other power but this country
with which France could wish to compete. What
the people wished to know was, whether they were
safe from invasion or not in case a quarrel should occur
with France, and it was impossible to be quite sure that
one might not at some time or other occur; nor was the
Emperor a man to tell us beforehand what be was
going to d e. By her system of conscription and inscrip.
tion France could call together at any time 60,000 or
70,000 seamen; and besides those, a large number of
men who bad served in the navy for several years, and
bad gone back to their homes, were liable to be called
out also. Wt.at bad we to oppose these ? We had plenty
of ship,. He believed that at the present moment we
had 20 screw line-ofliatikeihips of one sort or other
ready for pea ; but within the last few months we had
had a lamentable specimen of the time that it required
to wan a line-of-battleship in the cases of the Renown
and the elerlhorcueh. lie was happy to say that owing
to the great exertions of the present Board of Admiralty,
ail these; vessels were now pet fectly ready for sea. Be
ou:d read to the house the actual state of these ships,
because he believed that the information would prove
satefactory to them. We bad at Portsmouth the Duke
of Welliogtun, a viry fine three-.necked ship, and the
Hannibal—both in commi-sion, but only half mann&d,
or not quite half manned—and the Can ar, also ready for
re:, but not manned. At Plymouth the
Exmouth and
Orion, just commissioned, but not manned—the Chien
he was Sappy to say was manning very rapidly. At
Sheerness the Royal Geerge and the Cressy were in com-
mission, and were half manned, but the greater part of
the men were not able seamen. At Cork was the Nile,
half manned. On the home station there were three sail
f the line—and three only. Now, in the event of any
disturbance occurring between this country and France,
we should have to consider, m t only the ships and sea-
men that France possessed, but her large army, stated to
amount to not less than 500,000 men, and we knew with
what ease men could now be transported fr en one spot
to another by means of steam. Suppming that we had
an army of 400,000 (r 500,000, and the same number of
ships only that we bad at pre, ent, nothing in the world
would be easier than for us to make an attack upon
France if we thought fit so to do. A telegram would
be despatched to the different ports, ordering our steam.
vessels to collect at Spithead, where they would all
probably arrive within three or four hours rf one
another. So, if France equalled us in men-of-war—as
perhaps she did—although she could not compete with
us in the matter of steam-vessels, she could order by
telegraph any number of men to collect at Cherbourg,
where they could be falcon on board wi,h the utmost
despatch. The great works at Cherbourg were now com-
pleted, and the tremendous docks and basins afforded
means fer embarking ary number of men in a wonder-
fully short time. The troops could walk on board ; ca-
valry, mounted on their her es, could rile on board ;
and artillery could be easily shipped, for 20 sail of the
line could lie alongside of the wharfs alone. While these
great works had been in preparation in France we on
our ride had not been altogether idle. We bad lately
very properly es•ablished the Coastguard on a much more
efficient footing than it bad ever been before—(ln ar)—
and we had now, he believed, between 4,000 and 5,000
Coastguard-men, who were seamen, besides 1,000 or
2,000 snore who were not seamen. We had a large force
of Coact Volur teere This force was ore which he Lae
him,eV recommended 40 y a s ago, and he was iaisfied
that, as a naval militia, they eould prove a most valu-
able auxiliary, provided that we had a navy to receive
there. It was impossible to consider the country in her
present state to be ref,: from an attack from Fleece. lie
did not say that France had any intention to attack us,
but this great country ought nut to be left at the mercy
of any !retell with which it was possible we might come
in conflict. (Hear, hear.) Why had we 20,000 men at
this moment at Aldershot 1 They were costing money,
and he presumed that they were kept there in order to
defend the c:eiotty in case of attack ; but the test means
of defending the country was to meet the enemy before
he could land upon our shores. (Hear, bear.) He
warned the house and the people, therefore, that if
they wished to keep the country in a state
I. e
tof
safety they must be prepared to put their
to tell
har
their pockets ; and the Government ought theu
people
eafety tolitatatelnyoowoonutrlyd noontlesehe
itrossp.oeuresihl;r
perly—
not extravagnn'ly—but properly defend cd. What
we ought to do was at once to man 10 sail of the line
completely. (Hear.) The men should be kept constantly
ready for sea, and if once the Government and the nation
consented to that, we should have our ships perfectly
ready at all times, and should be a qual to any emer-
gency, because we should be enabled, by means of the
Coast Volunteers, to double the navy without the
slightest d;fficulty. No one could deny that these mea-
sures were neces-ary. how did we know at this moment
that France and Russia were not on very good terms ;
and what would be the feeling cf this country if we heard
that the Russian fleet had quitted the Baltic and was
coming up the Channel ? (A. laugh.) The confusion that
it would create would be tremendous, and what would
become of' the funds God only knew. He saw some
gentlemen opposite laugh, but he must be permitted to
tell them that it was no laughing business. (Hear.) It
was not sufficient merely to put men on board abip ; it
was well trained and well disciplined men that were re-
quired. If two ships of equal capacity and power, and
having the same number of men on board—one being a
discipline and the other an undisciplined crew—were to
be opposed to each other in action,
the ship with the
disciplined crew would beat the other in half an hour.
Suppose, for instance, the Royal Albertjust returned
from service and the Marlborough just commissioned to
be put in competition, why, it would beien
o impossible
succors
isbulfer
the Marlborough to contend with an
(Hear.) He under.
y chance
against her more practised opponent.
stood that there were 10,000 moso
rejtrsotospos
totooobhe
weaken
tketro
India. If so, that would leave
afford n
dall the more reason
rand e
pidly u
as possible. He was i •
for
ran manning
we
nning were
our at
ships present,as and
formed that the number of men tobe voted by the house
was now complete • or nearly so ; but how the First Lent
of the Admirehe case, thve otootmhannow.
10 slatilwoafstthreueline,
that
ships
fhthipast
werealight be expected home from different stations ; but they
twasdid
did not always arrive when they were expected, nrd, even
if they did, men must have leave, and so on, and he feared
that it would be impossible to man 10 sail of the line be-
fore the end of the summer. The gallant admiral con.
chided by asking the question of which he had given no.
tioe.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Sir,
was somewhat alarmed by the question which the hon.
and gallant admiral placed upon the paper to-day, be.
cause I supposed that he wns in possession of some recent
information which authorised him to snake the startling
inquiry he has ; but I am in some degree relieved by his
informing the house that in fact he has no futther
oration than that which has been the basin of the three' speeches he has made this session upon the same subject.
I can assure the gallant admiral that her Majesty's Minis.
ters are truly and deeply sensible of the great responsibi.
lity which devolves upon them both to defend our com•
mon country and to vindicate, if necessary, the honour
of our flag—(hear)— bu+, I am sure the house will feel it
extremely inconvenient to the public interests to ask in.
this house whether our means of defence are equal to the
means which those who are our allies, or any other
Powers, may by any possible combination of circutn.
stances have at their disposal for our annoyance. Th•
hon. and gallant admiral assumes that it is the interest
and the desire of all the Powers of Europe, especially of
those with whom we are at this moment in cordial alli-
ance, not only to go to war with this country, but to go
atondwearisstuomddseonly, without
fcivilised h
nations,
te slightest regard
without taontyhe lapapw s
a.
rent cause, for the invasion of our territory and the dem.