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era dis2ipline ahrord, he almitteti that the.'
tiggektion, of the Honourable
,Gentlensen-ought
in be - attended to ; lint :IS that Wa's "not like-
ly .'
to be the case, he thought the present plan was.
the most eligible *at could he devised. • If 'there.
were not means attached to this Bill for making the,
fcirce now 'proposed to he raised auxiliary to the
,-general Army, it certainly would be an. objeflion
in his mind, and he was decidedly 'of opittion that
an affirmutive clatise ought to-be introduced-into the
'l3lll upon", that subje6l.—Unless it was determined ''
".ro-defitroy.ihe Militia altogether, there must be a
competition not only of men but of bounties. -If
..thii fOrce was once raised,- would'any man say that
if IS,ooo.memwere 'wanted for the Army by the
end of " this year—would any man doubt after
'the experience they had had' of the Militia last
...War, that there would be any tliMculty in obtain.
ill them voluntarily ? The.nien.who served in the
Would•have noinduceinent to enter intOthe.
Regolars, but that feeling which belonged to them
in common- with every other good S-übjea ; they
. had beiides strong feelings to attach them to their
own Regiments, and be knew that the Officers oaf
the Militia felt a ' great reludance that their men
should enlist-in the Regulars.. His opinion there.
fare of. the resources that..were to be obtained
from new foree for the Regulars, teas not _
.tnatter of conjeeture, h.qt of certainty, from the
experience' we had already 'had.upon the subjeCi.
}laving said so much-on, the.general outline Of .t4is
measure, he would, glance at a point which had been
stated nn a former occasion ; he meant that of .the •
Power to; recruit from any Corps raised fa-
nite purpose, which might,- if carried to a great ex..
tent, render it usetesi, by,oaderminieg its discipline.:
that was an o.liservatton:Whkh might be very: true,
and would have great force, if the recruiting was
allowed to be,carried,on at all times; and
indisei-
minately 4,3' all parties and_ descriptions, and more
particularly Sq if that flagitions system), known un--
der the name ofCeinsping, 'was JO get ors.; but
these 4htedions,.or.at leap most pithern,.would'he •
done away,, if., we recruited on given days of; mus—
ter, in which a Regiment was called.9ver, -and the'n .
some were
.immeilloe.l4, allowed to !declare them,
selves for general. service; ire (ha t_ w.ay- we ,might
have twice or three tin more
,tha.n. we wanted ;
and it should be left to the Officers. who .should hdve
the privilege of doing :so., and tNn','ire-'had nti
doubt hut the result woillri.llo44)cl-tpt,.b,-... 11:1(1tatrd.
14„; saw no necessity of stating.iong.hefmull''''' the
time when this to 'take place;, it
sbouhrbe leit to Hl4 IS/LijeS'ty to &Cram the blue
and Plce3 where it shotird take place, ••a, fortnight
befenehand, and km
than a • ight..kse,provided that no more
given number should be taken within the
year. By this no Soldier would k:tiow when he
'would be taken frOm his Officer, under whose tom.
!nand he wait serving, so that he would have all the
inducements of. his profession to be steady in the
discharge of his duty. By these means lie thought ,
that the objeetion to recruiting from
,poicoros into
another, on the score of the bad effeo.it .hid upon
discipline, would be obviated. He thought, this
obgetvationgrew out of the proposition he had stated
upon tliis subjeft): and that it was a more ready
mode, and would be more effene,',l in its executioo
for recruiting (or .the general service; than, that
Which iris Right Hon. h: ;end would build on. the
desurudion of the Militia. He thotVit the matter
of Bounty wyuld-attend. this, comport vely
cd less
,consequcn.;:e. He-ilid not wan' to say it wasfro
bartbeii, on the Cotmtry,. and be- thought
ti;e 1.301 should be ,frartud as wsql as it could,
to f';eep. down.. the price of .SUbstitutes; • but as.
• ;() recruiting. the . army, he wished -to see
that sffeC.ted by •' moderate Bounties.: At the
same time, a,s he stared msa former.occasion, and
he Could. not help; adbeting. to . the opinion, if it
should appraraoubtful=winther artytharge imposed
ley w;trof commutation 4ould be sufficient to cn.
, sure a prorite.tion_of.efficilnr service, „that was to
say. the certainty. Substitute for the.yerson
drawn,
.'BO-ne. other _measure than -a Commutation
pahould7 kie, rs-sotted to ; -tinthci speak. plainly, he load
great dunbt whether the•:systein of pecuniary corn.:'
peosalicui- fat nomser.vice.should be adopter! at all=---
whether. arw sum ,of. Motley whatever should be
takendnstead of service, ejthor 7by .the. person on
:whorn.the.-10 fell, or by his Substit,uto; but on the
contrary,-.t_paat I every .nyee,drawn shall either serve
- persottally,r. or provide a Substituto.:, At. the. tome •
time, litshould wish, inlhe ferst_instance, to avoid
aternotkas.possible measures that, might be.theingitt
. unnecessarily:4'llton, .but to decline nothing that
• was really.oceessary, acrid with this .sentitnent
thoughtweishould follow• the principle of the ehll.
and. he would add, that .a great' pan of
ithe merit 74. thrisresenr•plan•eonsiste:i in .its.
jt wa that of raising a number of metrottl
of the.Cs4nmunisy forrhe.7.porpose. of defending it,
and dpirtg.4hat ..a way Mar .w.JI known to. ant
conlrq4pity, and AO which they 1414.00. no former
Uceasiarrbliettesl.; -and- also • raising • Officers to 'in.,
struft and command themin. a way • that,had been
partly .I.tiled and aoptoved of, because indeed the.
body raised could not be otfierWise gfficereth
He
thnulla.it desirable 'that we should adopt this
irieltsure WitliOut any hesitation ; neither could it
int'objeeted to on the score of novelty, foe novelty
in principle it had none, either in the manner of
raising
men, or in the burthen to be cast Upon
tthe Country in consequence of it ; and he, thought
highly.indeed on the advantages it
.wOufel produce
• to the Country. If, hoWever, it should be deemed
Prudent to admit of a pecuniary penalty fortion.ser.
Vice, or of providing a Substitute, it 8,1001e.1 be un-
der sortie modifications. He did not hesitate to
.declare that he shotild Prefer a.-positive enaftment
that every
person ballotted should either, personally
6r'e or provide a Substitute,; but if it - should be
deerned expedient to allow •arcuniary compeosa-
tton begritenThiliell73(ol:thei; he should propose:
Some alteration in the present plan in that particu.
hr. He should propose, that if a pe.isonbalfeitted.
neither offered tit serve" iii persoiV, not produced' a
Substitute, that then .the pecuniary wraPe4"tinil
should beetjual to the 'rank, order, and degree :in
life of the Cerson ballotted.i. knew•-.4mt *lit tie
said chili was , only raising • a ruveoue,
Was
that it
as not money bur men wit wanted apart 'the- pre,'
tent lit admitted the truth of that Obset•-•
ration, but open this answer, that if
were theletialeb the matt of,sociciy Would think it

en"nngll for each Intl; viduaf, an- marry of them-would
on that sum either serve or provide a SUbstitnie,
and soothe objed of the 3illAVould, with, regard to
the mass of the.Publie, be answered ; for it was out
of them, after all, our Army moist be made up, and
their failing to produce a Substitute would compel
them to serve, and this would be evidence of the
difficulty of commuting service for a small sum.;
but the stun of zol. would he nothing to persons of
high condition ; the charging them isl. or. iol.
Would: answer no purpose, it would be the very
thing they would want ; they would pay the sum
cheerfully, and he glad to get rid of the matter so
Much to their own convenience, and they would not
in the .;least, degree, (unless indeed they were ac-
mated by patriotism, of which he had no doubt
',there existed a great deal, but which could not be
'deethed the foundation of a Legislative measure at
any time) interest themselves in procuring men for
the service; the sum therefore which they should
beoalled upon to contribute, should bear a propor-
tion' to the rank and station of the pairy
so as to make it his interest to use his influence, al-
ways considerable in the higher walks of life, and
generally proportionate to the-station, to procute a
Substitute, which was the real objecl of the present
measure. The advantage of this distinaiOn
would he this, that by it every man of fortune
wild-should happen to he ballotted,. was turned into
a sort of-Recruiting Officer in the service to save
his purse.and ,preserve his fortune, but if the sum
was moderate, .he would be indUced to feel it more
convenient for-liim to pay it than to, giVe himself
.any'farther trouble, so that the essential interest of
the State would derive but little aid from individual
effort. . Undoubtedly, the;'), if the sum was tnode
rate, it would not answer the purpwie, which, all of
us had in view, the raising speedily. a large bedy
pf men. 'The 'sum should he such, then; as to
quicken the industry of Person's of the higher rank
,„tO procure men. He begged pardon for thus de.,
raining the fiduse Upon these points, •because,
• perly speaking, they were more fit for a Corn:
mittee, hut what he wished must of all to press
Upon the House, was the recolleCtion of this great
point—that we were all agreed unanimously in the
necessity of augmenting our force, and .that there-
was -nor the least difFerence of opinion upon that
point, and he could wish there was as little difDrence
of 'opiniori upon the. int:4llli of accomplishing that
end. helie'ved the 4-ionse was very generally
ready t', adopt the plan of his Right Hon.- Friend
Cthe Se el' AR, v.at WAR), and also to adopt the set).
riments Otitis Right I-lon. Friend (Mr. WIND:IA:A),'
which Was, that we ought to make use of all the
means in. our power to increase our Force for gene:
rah Service ; and' also that' we shnultl raise still More
temporary Forcefor any emergency that may arise ;
but here he could not help 'observing, that the
question now before the House, was not what
plan was most excellent orit.. kind, but what, under
the present Pressing necessity", was hest calculated
fpr immediate self-atelence ; and' he thought that,it
was-best calcit!ated for that purpose,- of any means
that could as the sudden be devised t and therefore
he should' !wipe there could be no Materialdiffer-
erve`olopinibn, that this Bill should go into a Com-
mittee, there to 1). modified as should appear to be
right.
_He knew the warmth and' noble ardour itt.
his Right Honourable Friend IMs: Vcitizim6t4)---
He knew that nti'opo burned noire than ,he.did with
enthusiastic zeal and disinterested patriotisitile
knew there was no sacrifidOeither in fortune or in
person, which: he was not petfeetly rettrty to make
for the service of his Country, eithTr' to preserve
its Rights at'home, ortn vindicateito Glory abroad,
in any Way 'that. might be deetited-MOst itsefitl, per.
hips to, retrieve the lo'st charaaer of,a great part of
Europe, lilt should, be disposed :at arty rime to
change its present desperate situaton.' We shoWi not
exclude that hope in preparing for odr.oVen safety,
but that.depended upon others and ntit upon us; their
present situation was not
.the elte6 of any fault in
us. But we.. must not negletft otir own safely. Those
Powers, if, they were not lost,, to all seise of their
situation, would find an opportunity of recovering
their honour, Bot lie trusted, that no icalon that
account, upoo objeas which' were. at preient out of
our reach, svould induce his 'Right Honourable
Friend 'to obstrua a measure which :was, cal Cu.,
lilted for our immediate defence. tie ktie'Vi,
the feelings of, his Right Honourable Friend to be
as .much alive as those of any buthanßeing, for ilte
true interests of his Country-; and if he atilt op.:
posed this Measure., it must be because he still re.
,mained unconvinced that the Bill _would have the
.effett witiCh was exPeaed from it. He should, in.
.deed, be sorry to differ from his Right Hon, Friend,
upon thiS most iniportantneasure, intended f,eir-the
'Safety of the State, yet he 10 this ennaolition, •
that however widely his Right 'Hon. Friend'and
_himself differedlii. their 'vote's
,upOn the present •
measure,' yet they 'agreed estaaly their sentiments.
The SEC laT A MY at 11/AR observed, that with
, .
regard to the lie to he Koposed on those who should
neither serve nor provide a Substitute, and the con.
sideration oT the rank and`-station of the party, the
House had the ben4t of heiring the opinion of his
Right.tion. Fiiend for his own part, he Was so
struck with-the propriety and fotice.of the idea,-
that 'he had thought,it necessary to prepare a Cause
upon the principle stated by his Right Hon. Friend,
and the House.. in a Committee, would have an.,
opportunity of considering that. subjeft,.
Mr. WINDHAM proceeded to, consider the
different'points which bad been stated in stippOrt of
the .Bill.now before
.the House, He said that if hi
remained still lineciimiince4 of the propriety of this
measure, it was not ()Wing to the want of clearness
Of the statement of his Right Hon. Fiiend (Mr.
.PtiT) in'the support of it, and there was in' addi.;
'don't() the advantage which the measure itself re
Calved froin the abilities
„dills Right 1-16 n. Friend,.
in support of. it; another 'advantage, hod that was
an advantage to the opponenti of the Bill",-for he hid
stated the subject so clearly, that those who differed
frOinhirtt had their way clrered before thetri and' their
labour shortened, since he had. btought into one
view every point that had. a hearing upon the subject.
',!tote were t‘to leading pointS to "be.considered
upon this : Whit were the best means fur
-our -ctip!nce, anti INLIt were the beirtrieans of pro.
secutiog the War with. Vigour ?' His Right ft
Friend had mistOnceived -his idea of the present
case that while. we- were IcitAtiog fotiarti towards

ottr safety, he was consi,letiog other Alen!' tsar
were at a distance. It was with hits, he hoped, as
it was With all prudent inert in the consideration of
tluttian Affairs. His Right Hod. Friend had said,
that that which IS most interesting to its- arthe Ore-
sent moment, is the safety of the tOuntry : Now,
there was no doubt, that if those tWoobjeeti,*narne-
ly, the Safety OfathiS Country, and the vigorous
prosecution of the VVaofn the way he recommended.
it, by increasing our disposable Military' Force;
could not be reConciled, which . of the twa
jeas'should be preferred.a-' -The Safety
,of the Coun-
try was undoubtedly the first- objed; for, if we
failed in that, there was an end of all consideration
on our part of the Question, of restoring Europe
by any means to be 'adopted by us; if the necessity
on our part was so grear as had, been stated, we
Might lay every thing else out of our consideration.
But he would take up the question simply, of how.
far this measure was ealcoldted for our immediate
defence ? -The first point was, what effeet this
measure might havo on the future Recruiting Ser.
vice of the'Army ? hie was not sanguine enough
to expet that the recruiting of the Army would go,.
on with intelt celerity at any-time Ulliler our
tary System ;- certainly less now, .singe the-great '
Briunties‘had been given ; the very memory of such
large BoOnties, even if they could be. discontintied,.
would considerably impede. the recruiting of. the
Army, for men would be slow to enlist for lest than
others had been accnstomed to receive. "He did not
deny that the present. measure wriuld procure
more Ine.tl in a short period in the ,present mo-
ment. thin could be procured in any. other way ;
but here he came to a consideration' which
,had
hitherkilyeen a .great deal too much neglected. Hr
thhught that the error, of Ministers ,was, that of
negleding that which he had followed _upoo. this
occasion, eamely, that of entire attention to .the
opinions'of IVlilitare Men, A Military Man knew
very well ihe'diff'erence betweeo that which 'was
important and that -which was unimportant in 'Mill.
tary matters---between a Regiorot which had been
long and one tkit had.been y ru i ; composad
of good orolhad Men ; but a Minister in. the House
of Common,: knew nothing of any such difirence.:-..
with him a Regiment was a Regiment, and /kit w'as
all'he knew of the matter ; and this was tha case
with almost every body who talkea upon the-suhjeift
in that Hoilee; hut he conhMot cOnsideriog
the naftiroof the force, and he was afraid. his Right'
I-fon. Friend suffered himself to be deeeitsed when'
he talked of the speedy progress which this sys.
tern will make; As to providing Officers for this
body of men when raised, the first resource we had
Was-the Half_pay List ; now, without disitaragitig
the Half.pay List, and feeling aS he did from what
had been said already by way -el comment- on his
fotrnerspeeth, the necessity of caution in what he
said; yea in speaking of the Half-pay List it must
lie eon'aidered tisk We could not get from that. List
Officera , of the same description as those who
were in actual service, although no man wrth, deny
there were in that Lido many very, excellent Of.',
ficera, many indeed who were upon that List only
because their Regiments were reduced : wine of
them also were upon the List becanie they had beep
wounded, but they were not all the hettee,or. the
most' fit far service on that aceotoit; Many of them
had
.been put upon that.LiSt tan account of declining;
health ; they were not to be'considered as the most
Tit for service either. Many' had been put upon.
that List because it was not deemed proper they
should
,eontinueadive in the service: He hoped
they Were good Officers, but yet 'these ,were con.
siderations not to be disregarded, and.we.should
not certainly exoeet from this List at much eater-
dot), *as if- the ,'lame number , of Officers were
taken from the actual service ; nor ,Was there a.,
coMparison to 'be made between the progress they
would Make, and an-equal ionnherof Officers in le.
tual service, and therefore he could not-helo.doubt.,
ing the efficacy of this source of providing Officers
for this Force, when raised, arleast to' the extent
held-out by his Right Hon. Fiend:s'On .ties other
side ofalte Heuse.. He thought the. measure now
proposed would not answer' the purpose for 'which
is waiititended, and' instead:of it he wished to see
the 'IWO'S of the Line increased.. Bueit WPIS
that the urgency' itrid pressing nature of the case de-
manded tne.tUres'of expedition.. Now, what were
vitt ideas On this -subjed ? If . he Could be assured
that the attempt On this Island would tie delayed fur
a titne.to suit our Coneeoit, and until we had
sufficiently increased our Fotee, and made it
fit for action, this meastuy:e. would do well ; hut
as We had no security tOr that, he thought
''we had better increase our Army ; -anti for that
purpose he was, of ooittioit'rhatve should have. re- .
course to compulsive measures ; no was he. alarmed
at time present crisis, that ;suclattleasures,. provided
they were not accompanied by unnecessary harshness '
Or severity, would be objeded to as -uneonsatu:.
tional. He said this Without any difficulty, Leeatote
.he did think, after much deliberatiOn; that tins was
the only way to provide effeflually' for our safety ;
nor were we 10 stagt too aitich of the aacrifiejswhich
we were to make. Upon this danger, against
which we were •naW talking of providing; what
were' we to say if it.eante- UOO.I us, as it Might come
oon us, within two months .?• what Was-to become
of.us, when out Bill was hardly past ?aeql.le was
nut speaking with any view of alarming Mioiste.7s)
—hut he wished into be remembered, that the Bill
now' before the House would take some time in
passing' and after raising, he would ask; how long it
woultib'e before we got the lien ?and after we had got
,the men, he would ask hoW long after ths: mttmen Wet e
got, Would it .be before they Were fit t'or'Setv ice
If we hail the invasion at all, we might have it in
iniddle.of our Ballot arid he would ask•what
the House would think of a mass sO fuU of ckftaii as
a military body as this must be at its first iiste'itabliog,
full as it must be frOm the: nature of things;,of
-discantent and sourness', inealaible ofonilitary Move.
Meats; and totally unfit foe efficient Military see.,
vice leg discontented they 'naturally would be,- on
leaving theitomusea and families. ' What aurt of ifn
Army of Reserve was thii to be for our oroteetion
in the hOur of peril? Suppose our other Army
Meet 'a cheek; was our last st3ke to he ranted to
this Army of Reserve The defeat of a regulat -Army:
did not prevent it front atoetating again, for they
knew how to tally again, :bk. a defeat of an- ir.
regular mass, ow an end to its operations; it

WAS able- to he thrown into confusion, end to
lietome usetees after >t defeat. lle thought it.
bad policy in uS to ptir due last stake upon such
an irregulae force as" this,. by which one defeat
'might be our ruin: He objected to it, because
:people might artist too Muth to it, and mil ht
say they had pfovided a security itgain'st all danger,
by providing this Miss, Wheecai the people ought
to depend epori themselves. He thought
„that a
smaller number' of Regular Troops would be better
than this Man. He recommended tGi us to imitate
the driacluet of the Vendeans; who although week
themselVes, yet by:military skill end prudence,
held out for years, eor did they give up at all, One
till the greatest part of Eorepe had given op, He
Should by no means think We should give all over,
even thenigh our Regular Troops might be defeated 4.
whiteout. Naval Power eemaleed, and we continued
to cut cff all intercourse between the Enemy and
the Continent from this Island, we should always„
have the means of a final vietory. He saw in thie
Plan so many objections, that he
,kneW 'not how to
state them within a tolerable compass. He had
asked how long it would be before we could get
these 0,000 men, and When they were got, hoW
long we should be before' they were trainedlie
Might ask hoW long we should be before we cloath.
ed them ? How long would it be 'before we 1,-,a
bteechedour Army of Reserve? He was afraid that
We might have to encounter the danger agairtse
which they were intended to pro-side long before
they would be fit for Service ; ana if they were
employedio 'aCtiee SerViceetoo eoon, they might
de more mischief than gritel.--4-/avjng justified his
former language upon this sitlijeN and disclaiming
any. intention of offending' the Militia by it, he con,
tutted with chserving;that he perceived the general
opinion of the House appeared be in favour
of tin! Measure now befere the House, but lie
had thought it his duty to, state his sentiments.
He had great reliance on ehe Militia which had
been well trained, but he denied that such an as...
section we's inconsistent with the opinion which.
he had given of the Army-of Reserve—He.objedt:4
to this
.syetein becaose it inierfered with the Re.,
emit ine Service, and elso because he was aware that
this nceie wOird be inadeottateeei die end for whieh,
it was designed, that, of an effieleut and imm,rdiate
Military 'force ; he was assured the t rear d isCon.
tent would arise in the- body on gist eSsembling, •
and that they would be much too delicient in milt.
tary skill to justify the holes which were toter.
caned themoe—TheseWere the grounds no ',lien
he differed from his Right Hon. Friend; at
,the sama
time, if this measurewes Successful in Pa in rliaineet,
heshould do every Thing, in his power to render it.
efficient ; for that he Celt aieithers felt for the safety
of the Country, and only differed from others as to
the weiios of preserving it.
Mr, PITT said, his Right lion. Friend had this_conceieed his- argument on the 'sobjeCt of ,Recruit_
ing—He only contended, that this laid the foutida.
don for Recruiting at a distant period ; but that in
the case oft projeeted Invasion, we should not de..
lay the raising of this Force. Another part he was
still more anxious about wits this, that he Consider.
ed this only it 3 a l-art of what "(vas to he done for
our safety, and, that Much more was to folloW to the
same purpose. lie should expo t to hear something
to this effea when the Bill was in the Committee,
from other quarters, if not, he shoUld have scitne.'
thing to propose upon it Itirotelf,
Lord CASTLE la 4011 said he wished the pre..
scut subjeetio meet the fullest discussion. He admit. .
tell, with his Right Hon. Frieud, that:the ohjed
of the Enemy was the subjegetioit of this Country,
Out he diXered with that Right lion, Gentleman as:
to the means,whiclt they pos,zssed of effecting the;
Ile could not howevcr conceive why the
Right- Hoe: Gentleman should think it necessary
to discus's whether London-was a primary or scoot.
dary objeCtof consideration : nothing but .a degree
of baseness or eowaidice in the people-of this Court.
try, which he could not for a moment suppose,
suffer the Enemy to'.-leivitnee far haul the'
shore. The Right Hon. Gentleman 'had gone into .
one extreme, with tespettto relying upon the cf‘
cieacy of regular Troops, almost to'the eitelusion
of all other, and lied then
.gone into anotber
treme, and contended for the advantages resulting
from irregular Troops, instancing La
,Vendee still
the Right Hon.GeetleMan had contended that the .
present meaSere went to consul toe an inefficient
Force. The Country feet the atriemtages and, the
happiness which they ereeyed under their present
Constitution and. Government, and feel that it was
necessary so
,make great efforts to defend them. ,
The argurriente of the Right Hon. Gentleman went
to this alteriiarive, that there must be either a much
:larger 14'orce.maintained ire time of Peace, or that'
we coast be Much weaker at. the commencement Of
a War:, The Militi;t was a force which eittsetU'
littie expencein time of Nece,tand was perfealk
ready for service at the .Coiennencetnenc of a
WAG He felt the necessity of piecing Ore
Country so completely ,of danger, al to
put an .end to all specoktion on the part of, this
•Enemy,as to the probable success of :my 4:newt
'againtt it. With respeet to the objetioe of this
.measine interfering with the recruiting for tile Line;
it would on the contrary.' tiesisl it ; these wile sere
in' be 'enrolied.under the prestet Bill, were to be
permitted to enlist in p.,giirlents 01 the
,Line, and:
there was every reason to believe that a .Militetty
spirit would beititused into them .which 411;,.
more-readily induce them to. tnter into the 1,1h1.,,
and that there Would be a better chance of Primt4l:
men -lOr that service: who had ii()t ma,it. ti'.o their
minds upon that subject. Right Honoutable-
17riend, had said diet there were many :old and.
infirm Officers can, the Half.nay list unfit fat ser.,
vice, but it should he teeollated that -there
were twenty Battalions' di'shauded last year, whnsti •
services were fete - a limited time, the Ofhiers,
of which there was .every reason to believe
were ettedive, and beeides, it was not Mendatory
in 'His Majesty to appoint thrice unity ; anti if new
Regiments were to be raised aceortlieg to the pro..
position of his Right Hon.. Friend, they must he
officered- in the same way. lie conceived that no
mtasure-was better ealcoleted to produce. the desired
efika chart the present; and that the experiment cf
Tioape of the, Line, peetiosed by hit P,igitt
Hon. ?fiend, woulti-place the Country in great dart.
ger. With respect to the Recruiting Service being

italumi, 4 Faa a fad, that doting the competition
between the -Militia and the Line, more recruits
were olitained lor the latter than before. He said
that this w..is a.subjt.d• of the greatest importance, and
that ought to be, sifted to the bottom ; but be con-
ceived the. present measure to be the best calcolated
tor the de iced obje4. . • '
Mr. WlNpfl4lo,l eXplajOed. •
Sir Eyt,c Coorr said a'fevir .words in eopport of.
stile Bill. - •
• L g thought the present mepirre
part of a Detentive Syster.), Which' threatened to
prove laud 'to the C, unary. I,n corrOhoration of
his sentiments, he read a letter from the late'•Mf'
utke,.drawieg a ,melancholy presage from the,
then. state of the:Country, which Dr. LAWft EN6E
appliej.l to the present Crisis,
CII.INCC LL() R• €f the E X.O E QUE
.that the melancholy presageS contained in the
setter jn.st read, which carne from. the pen ofa Gen-
Thermo-) whom none respeaed More than hiinself, had
nor been fulfilled by, very -subsequent circumstances.
The very inettAre at' that. period of calling out the
Suppltment:try Militia, had tended to produce the
sr,reatest atlqrnae,m I, en thence WC 11:14 derived
those, e*ettionS ;to Egypt which_ the Country
had Merl 'so tnatt'riatly benefited. With re.
,'ilspeei,to the present measure, the point cf issue
wa3,this, the I),:ghtt I I,:wi.-Gentleman (Mr. WI /413-
E7aq' would fbr, ,o the iimnediate ad vantage of ob-
taining i.(3,l),rxirntrt for the Oeferice of the Country,
from am ,ngst Whom men- would he pt-rMitted to
tr:!t r into the L for the sa;:e of the chance of
curiog rn,:rl%, to recruit tire Line without the
cf• ti,is,measure. Another Right Hon,
C.otleinan (iVir.;.ELt_toT) would even forego the
, antage of the 'achlitional 6Q,000 ;1/Militia, besides
the_ present meds4re, for the sake of the Regular
~raly.. He th.)",lit it was 'scarcely necessary to
r;,..ason the onestron, ' experie:-.ce had she 'Nn that
111i/heti-the Militia was kept up, they had the advan-
r,tgc. if the largest Army, disposable for foreign
,t4..,..rvice,' ever Infore known, and that the Militia
Systel, did not interfere with the Recruiting.
Sit-vice for the Regular Army, but on the con.
fraY) he felt that they Could not do such a
violence to the piddle' .feeling' as • toenaa a con-
scription for the Troops of the. Line, as to force
rersorl to enlist in flegiments which might be sent
• to any part of the • Wnrld ; such it measure would
be contrary to the svitit of the (.I.‘onstitution, and
coed tend .to &wince those disconwas, which it
was said by some G.!ntleinen, would arise from the
ple:,ent measure. The Ministers had been .chaiged
itli inal remissnessi but he contended, that
the'fatfts proVed that they hild done all they could
for the Public 46-vice. Hbe w.fs convinced that there
was no chance of permanent or secure. Peace until
they Shewed that every attempt of the 'Enemy
against this Country must be fruitless,
,and that they
would trot owe their. safety to the forbearance of _
any power whatever,.
Mr..F.LLIOT x plained.
After a l;:w worilifi-oin Mr. Jotrils•ron r. and Sir Wt L LtAm
it VI- the hilt -was:, react -a second non!, committed pro
f.»5.,4, wilco the lilahks were filled sip, t Repnrt received,
or.leredio he taken into furth:..r consideration on Mon•
da►, Bill a; act se ud.al to tr.iprinted.
A Me.4;a4e trom tuil 'Lords infOrme.l the posse that their
113 d AY,ll.l:d ro the:Loan pill, the customs Con-
a.“l:a.nst..ii- Hifi,. and the Navigation Oct Bill, without any '
••dinenctio,nt ,
The Honse resolved uo a .:onnoittec cc, consider of
.eels relative to the As ,esed
'fire C A tit: I.: !.0 it or thee XCI) rk9 EU moved, that the
per'o, 0;.1 :tr 'R s;hbu'il he Inerv,ased in 21. as.
• '414 to 31 3;. where more than
kept. On Snoinnen of tu.:re-balary year,
• , (mei.; kent- ;1' ts. ; all over 21, 25. 011 Servantg
, . • ..; d .ling Whole'sale and Retail tor carrying
.7. „ . ;fil respta to 'raven) and Corfee-housz-
' I-
iiIJE ti..•i,...r cratia Wits fiat 31)pliCAIC to them—
rnuici .1 ~ propose, that for every Woitet kept;
• , a Duty should be paid of al. as.
Lefloic I:6peaing the A.,;essed Taxes In
• e.
. ; tt4l":tc,pgi t ordered to be
;row,
•i. I (.',milnittze on the Irish Revenue Bill re.
to sit to:motroW ,
,c: Irish Tconers"Pctition, reatilu
, !,;I: cut 10 II It deselitition ph
10 per's(tins,
:after a se',V .:05nis Air, Iluich4san.—Rep6rt to-mot-
' raw.

Ni litia Transfer Pint and the Medicine Duty
Bill were rea•l a third riffle anciyasseti. ••
'Ali, A i.t:z Noy It brought up ttk.. Report of the Cant,.
!Ili:tee of tyays and Me:uis re4peOing Irclai.d, which watt
atki ..};read to, antl.an I ostruttion ort.l;•red to the Gentle-
app!,itq....d to' bring in the Bill' respecting the Ways and
Tavatin of [reland, .to make prOvision iicce.retintly,
Tito Cttioins .I)tity tlitl, awl the is XCiO; (.7011i0lidation
-iydre otdcititt to he read ;t third rime to-Morrow.
T,ho- A E xi; ige I),aty Avl read 'it iccond time,
contithrteit tor to:tnorrowe '

o'Cluck till to-morrow

DUE.

k!A L*..

ARArvID.

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suLsm QUIS DiCitl I a.:-f-L.4.4VDLAT ?

4'o D N, u E zSo3.,

stated sotnY days ago, that the IVlails made
pp for /lamb/rub, and lirentel 4.t ttie to be sent to
Pyi:euhars. That plan is now cat riedinto of ea.
'Yesterday the Dialla Packet sailed from Harwich
w Mith the al W ;IL I have been colleting there for
the lata three wc,ke. The ,Mails for Prussia and
pertoasy are yt-t. d...tainetl, hut they will be for.
in A, few d tys to a pl,.ice iii Di nmuk.
l'he asT Cow stn., we understand, has got to
'resume that all communication with
nits, he at an end. Troops continue
to march (kw() rewards the .Codst, and ercimp.
yi. ts to be foined nn ti,e Powns at Punkirl:,
places on tlti Coot.

Yclt,rday riontiog ;ibitit eleven &clock Ili a
;01(1 chi, Vitt NCEY,ES asii%e,l at. Buck.
Ipsrti i{.cw ; sh, 11 11111,1 Alter,
J;;;-.—i cf CAM.
.; t•i Ilft:ir reiii,roi 19
tJ lii i
Tohl the
qu,tper 1),:lptc: one lii tt .TA i ritr AM'
17;'.: 2'X45 arrived :it St. fairws'4l..)Atce; theT