The Sun.
London, England, 1867-08-14 00:00:00

LIER.

Mr. WHALLEY supported the motion for reporting
progress.
Mr. OTWAY, though ho did not oppose the bill, con-
sidered its discussion at the present time singularly
ill timed. He thought it most desirable that the people
should have a largo open space to meet in, and
if they were shut out of Hyde Park he should like to know
where they wore to go. He had on the last occasion
visited Hyde Park whore a mooting was hold, and ho
could assure the House that not the slightest inconveni-
ence was occasioned thereby. (Hear, hoar.) It was said
that the proper place for such a mooting was Primrose
Hill, but if a nuisance was occasioned to the West-
end by the people marching in procession, why
should that nuisance be inflicted on the inhabit-
ants at Camden Town. (Hear, hoar.) He thought
it very unfortunate that such a measure should have boon
brought forward in the cause session in which the Reform
Bill passed. If the motion was pressed to a division ho
should vote for the motion to report progress.
Mr. HARDY said it was an absolute necessity to pre-
serve order in the parks, and that the Government might
do so it was that the present bill was pressed forward.
The Crown had an incontestiblo right to Royal
parks, and nothing could show more clearly the
right than the fact that the Crown was now giving
over a portion of tho park to the public in order that
Park-lane might be improved. (Hear, hear.) The House
of Commons was never consulted on the occasion, and
had the right not existed such a step could not have
taken place, therefore ho contended that the right of the
Crown in the Royal Parks was paramount, and no ono
had ever ventured to question that right. It was
said that the present time was inappropriate, but
that he could not admit, and it had been also
said there would be no more meetings proposed
to be held in Hyde-park. (Hear, hear.) The information
he had received pointed in quite an opposite direction ;
therefore it became of the highest importance that the
Government should have the power the bill would give
thorn. There was no attempt to put down public meetings
in the bill, it only laid down certain places whore political
meetings should not be held ; and, that being the case'
coupled with the fact that the bill was necessary for the
future government of the Royal perks, He asked the house
to proceed with the bill in committee.
Mr. I.l‘l, MIEN thought the bill peculiarly inexpedient
and ill timed. There had been many largo meetings held
in the Queen's-park in Scotland, and not the slightest in-
terference took place with it on the part of the authorities.
Such an arrangement brought about the best possible effect,
and if the same course of procedure was observed in
England, ho had no doubt the best results would
follow. As Hyde-park contained over five hundred
acres, he thought it would be a very good arrangement if
20 acres in a certain part of it were marked out by the
erection of posts, not enclosed in any way, as the space
within which public meetings might he hold, the whole
question would bo settled. Ho hoped some such arrange
ment as that would be carried out, and then all necessity
for the present bill would disappear.
Mr. TORRENS supported the motion, and said It was a
farce to tell the people to go to Primrose-hill to hold their
meetings. Ho denied that,the tendency of great public
meetings was to end in disturbance and confusion.
Mr. MILL supported the motion for reporting progress.
He contended that Hyde Park was the only place in
which large meetings of the people could bo con-
veniently hold, and as the working classes could
not without incurring a very largo outlay secure
a building within which their meetings might bo
held it was an injustice to shut them out of it. He did
not mean to say that all sorts of meetings should be held in
the parks, but where a great constitutional question was
involved it was but fair that a proper place should be
allowed the groat mass of the people to express their opinions.
lie thought that instead of the end of a session of unusually
long duration, the commencement of the next, whon a
much larger number of members would be present, should
be the time when such a hill as that now under discussion
should be brought forward. H (ear, hear.
Mr. LABOUCIIERE suggested tho advisability of with-
drawing the bill, at least for the present session.
Mr. FAWCETT also appealed to the Government to
postpone the consideration of the bill until a future session,
the effect of which would be that some measure of greater
importance would benefit by such an arrangement.
Mr. W. E. FORSTER thought the bill had not boon
considered sufficiently, and suggested that the question of
the right of the public to use the parks for public meetings
should be referred to a select committee next Session.
Mr. T. HUGHES said if the public were excluded from
Hyde Park his constituents of Lsmbeth would have no
place in which they could meet for any political purpose.
To pass the present bill would bo to deprive the Govern-
ment of all the prestige they had gained by the passing of
the Reform Bill. He saw no reason why a portion of the
park should not be staked off, and reserved for political
meetings, just as Rotten-row was set apart for equestrians.
The debate having now been protracted until within 20
minutes of the period beyond which no opposed business
could bo proceeded with, and the Ministerial benches
being clamorous for a division, Sir J. Gray and Mr. Cowen
divided that time between them, and spoke against tho bill
until 10 minutes to 7 o'clock, when the Chairman stopped
the debate amid loud cheers from the Opposition.
Mr. Secretary HARDY then fixed tho further progress
of the bill for this day, intimating that ho would proceed
with it this day and ou Thursday also.
The Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Bill was passed
through committee, as was the Courts of Bolero° Bill, and
the house adjourned at seven o'clock.
On the resumption of business at nine o'clock,
Mr. O'BEIRNE called attention to the unsatisfactory
state of the laws with reference to merchant shipping, and
moved " That in the opinion of the house, it was necessary
that those laws should be revised and consolidated, and that
such amendments should be made therein as will better
protect the interests of the public and the mercantile
marine."
After a few observations from Mr. S.
CAVE, explaining
the stops which had boon taken to ameliorate the condition
of merchant seamen, the motion was withdrawn.
Major ANSON next brought under the notice of the
house the great want of rifled guns for our fortifications
and ships at home and abroad, and moved that the expe-
riments with cast-iron guns lined with coiled wrought iron
justified the belief that these guns might be thus
groat
ade
available for the purposes of modern warfare ;
that a
saving of public money would thus be effected, and that
this system of conversion was deserving the attention of
the War Department.
The motion having been seconded by Lord EucuO,
Sir .T. PAKINGTON said that the difference between
the cost of manufacturing now guns, and converting old in
the manner referred to was so small, that, taking into ac-
count the greater efficiency of the now arm as as instru-
ment of warfare, the manufacture of entirely new guns was
preferable to the system of conversion of old.
After some remarks from Mr. SAMUDA, the motion was
withdrawn.
The case of James Scott, of Birmingham, convicted of
the wilful murder of James Pryse at the late assizes at
Warwick, but reprieved by the Homo Secretary, was sub-
sequently introduced by Mr. NEWDEGATE, who wished for
the production of the cerrespondenco and memorial on the
subject.
Mr. Secretary HARDY stated that ho had received a
memorial signed by 10 of the jury who had convicted the
prisoner; that ho had forwarded it to the presiding judge
at the trial ; and that the latter learned person had recom-
mended that the sentence should bo commuted to trans-
portation for life.
Tho other business on the pa
as p er
two waso'clock until twelve
disposed ot, and the
house adjourned at a quarter pt
o'clock this day.

SHIPPING INTELLIGENOB.—This Day.

LONDON, Aug. 14.--Wind this day at noon—South-
Easterly moderate breeze and fino weather.ved—Forest
BRISTOL, Aug. 13.—Wind N.W. --Arri
from Prince Ed-
Queen, from Quebec; Confederate Star,
ward's Island.
GLOUCESTER, Aug. 12.—Arrived—Amazon, from St.
St. John's, N.B.
KINGROAD, Aug. 13.--Virind N.W.—Arrived—Odessa,
from St. John's, N.B.
LmurooL, Aug. 12.—Wind N.W.—Arrived—Albert,
from Black River for
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London.
3.—Wind N.Wrrived—Eng_
PLYMOUTII, Aug. 1
land, from AUCkland.
roRTSMOUTII, Aug. 13.—Wind N.W.—Arrived—ile .t
c or,
from Middlesborough for Charleston.
CLYDE, Aug. 13.—Wind W.—Arrived—Magic, from
St. John's, N.B.
CARDIFF, Aug. 13.—Wind N.W.—Arrived—Harvest
Maid, from Bilboa.

(By Telegraph.)
GRAVESEND, Wednesday Morning.
Arrived, Aug. 13—Fear Not, from Manzanillo; Ella
Constance, steamer, from Stockholm.
Arrived, Aug. 14—Batavior, and Waterloo, steamers,
from Rotterdam ; Holland, steamer, from Ostend ; Panther,
steamer, frem Boulogne.
Sailed, Aug. 13—St. Vincent, for Cardiff and Calcutta;
Timaura, for Otago; Ann and Lucy, for Point de (ialle.
Sailed, Aug. 14 —Sir Robert Peel, for Dunkirk; Fairy
Queen, steamer, for Dieppe.
DEAL, Wednesday Morning.
Passed —Wagoola, from London, for Hobart-town ; Ann
and Lucy, from London, for Point de Galle.

DASTARDLY OUTRAGE. —On Friday last, when
the North-Eastern express from Edinburgh was about 10
miles north of Thirsk Junction, a missile was thrown from
the down line into a carriage, which struck a lady, tho
wife of Mr. James Neilson, solicitor, of Edinburgh, on tho
forehead, and exploded with a report resembling that of a
pistol, covering all tho passengers with debris resembling
dry earth, mixed with small stones. The lady's forehead
became very swollen, and her face quite discoloured.
LORD BRouGnAm.—A local journal states thot
Lord Brougham is expected at his seat in Carlisle to-day.
The health of his lordship is said'to have much improved
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