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London, England, 1804-03-02 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIJMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS.

THURSDAY, „MARCH 1.
CouNsit were fin7AlOreSra'retatiVe to the Irish
Appeal, Garde Burton, viz. Mr. MAN.FIFLD
at. considerable length, as. Counsel for _the Appel-
lant in reply... .After which their LoAships ad
.urned the farther consideration till Monday sein.'
night.
,
Mr. ALFXANDFR brclUght up from the %Am-.
mons the B.ltik, of Trelaad Restraion Bill.; and
Mr. VANSITTART presented the Gteenland.Whale,
Fishery Bill.
Lord 1-lAwicEsauase•—moved the first reading of
the -Bank of Ireland' Restrittinti 'Bill; which 'pro-
ceeding accordingly took place, and suhiequently
for, its' printing, which was also.ordered.
,14is Lordship then moved, that the'Bill be. read a
.second time on Monday next. -

Oa this question being•put,
Lord KING rose, not, he said, for the purpose
,of opposing the Motion_ of, the -.Noble SECRETARY
I'o STATE,E for he- had nooltiedion to deferring the
•discussion of the measure-till that day : but he was
indueed'fro.m the consideration of such a Bill being
hefore the House, and More especially by the eir-
cumstanee.of Bill of still greater importance being
in its progress through the other House of Partin-
rhent.,- to require some information from Ministers,
relative to a •subjeft of :the greatest •importance to
that'HOuse eel to the Country. He alluded to the
present-state of the Sovereign's Health; and he, ex-
.pressed his hope that in _the present instance, the
Noble SECRETARY of STATE- would be able. to al.
'fora that'consolatory infoinUition which was lately
given-in the- other House of Parliament, by a per-.
-son high in His IVlajesiy's bauncils : what he meant
was„ the'declarati.on, that no necessary Suspension
ofthetßoyal Fundirms existed. Information on this
heatt'evits•the'more- requisite• from the authority of
Ministers, as the House had, as yet, no source of in-
formation, but-that which it had in.common. with the
Ps blid at largeenarnaly, what it learned from the
daily Bulletins signed by four of the Royal Physi-.
Ciani ;; the information conveyed by these, he deetn.
ed neither sufficiently explicit nor aatisfadoria ; the
more so, as it was • said that- a fifth person of the
Medical profession' attended on His Majestyeaahaise
'name he was rather .surprised" to observe was not
subscribed., in common with rite others. .He was
-glad to perceive several of His Majesty's Ministers
'in ikeir places, and iii .whine preseece he tailed fOr
the explaitatiori alluded to, and-he particularly had
to.'andcfress himself Noble'ind Learned Lord
onetlae Woolsack, 'from' wisom he seemed to think
full explanation on. such a subjed was mere peculi.
,arlyaas from his high official capacity and relation
to the Sovereign, involving a deeps kind he may Say, •
'awful responsibility, to tie expeded.?.- Adverting
:Again to the circumstance of ihe only channel through
which the .House :had hitherto an opportuniii• of
being 4-fr!sried uptnt this most important topitle
expressed the'Senie of tility-lieTelt to call upon His
'Majesty's Ministers fet- the-desired explanation;
Lord H B UltY., observed, he could nut
conceive what regular-or -proper ground the Nelde
Lord c••uld a'ssurne ilit-what might have taken place
elsewhere, to put the question alluded to, to any '
in Mat ~t.qc.-71-Li \cever, the 10i,iC'
being mentioned,. Inefiationo Itesitation to declare,
what gave hifit'he-arc-felt consolatiop, and satoit he
was sure muse a,L,iJ alli..triettlaVidslile, and the
;Country, at•targe, the greatest satisfy lion, namely,
" That three existed at present no -necessary sus-
pension- whatever'ofHis Maies-ty,s Royal Fuudions
or A.utlioritiea."
Lard:W./NG, in the course of a very, short reply,
expressed his pleasure at. the declaration made. by
'theNdi,le Secretary, of State ; however, he scented
:to 'that the circumstance, of the. fifth :Physi-
cciarei eameenot appearing to the daily reports of
Majest3r's healtr,'"required some exptanation.• .
.•
Lord RENK ILL E expressed- his cordial satis-
fa-Ekinn;.a.t,the,eastisolotary information . aff,,rded by
ethe•Noltfe Sac R ETARY Of STATE. • -No man in,that
:in the Country, could receive more hea.n.-
felipleasure at sucla'a communication than hitnelf.
Yet still ;the tifeurnuttancts• of the ease, and the
peculiar •si tuatfOn of the country ~.w.as such, .as to
!ma:A-most forcibly the attention of. ,Pirliament to
;the topic.- Their Lordships to a
Man, and none
toe' tyanitirns4lf, were duly 'impressed, with
santirren--`-of loyalty, ...attachment and ,afreCtion
'to the best 'Sovereigns : the peculiar- oppor_
•ienities Which ' most Members Of that House
11 ad of knowing,. and of contemplating- the pub..
lie andfprivate virtues of' His • Majesty, must. pro-
- ortionablye increase their love and veneration for
him; they knew that that Sovereign made' the
-inainieitaece of out-'inestirnable ConstittiiON. and
the in:a:teals anti the/happiness of his People; always
the first objed of his heart ; they owed him a most
sacred duty ; they also owed.a 'duty to their Coun.
try ;• and they knew that whatever conduce& to the
interests and security of his people; would-give the
gre`atcst satisfaCtion to their amiable'Sovereign:' ,On
a. particular occasion,- when, by the melancholy vi-
sitation.of Providence, the Royal Futidiens were'.
_necessarily- suspended, the proceedings, which were
etiopted by Parliament,' and the provisions•made to
`int et the exigency on that occasion, were too Will
known to be thee neitlier-was it 'necessary
to expatiate on the extreme importance of the sub.
in 'question—he, ceeeeived it to he higlily'4.le—
,sirable that the real state of 'Hie Majesty's
-should be ,clearly ascertained to the l-louse, and to
the Public; and that it -ckplieitly under-,
stood.. In the present adual situation of the Court.
try, -such-an Understanding-V/43 the more necesary.;
he theraforeathought that every, pradiCable too lima-
- ,conslsteet with that degree of resptt.t slue.on„
yahoo acceunts tO ahe Sovereign' and' consistent
•
- with. obvioui-propriety, ah -uld be•giyeo as, to the.
real situatilin of I lis*Nl,,jsty 'S'HeaAh. 1 , •
The had of Ciaa'l,l',Oa. said' a'' ewe Avoids in a'
.:very taste ot vv.ec, which, as we could coiled,
ii-e're tea frad. • • • - •
cfq 1.1 A: ICI , in elapl4taeion, observed,
floe he though: tle mast satisladcoy answer which
eoutal ire afiorded cecasiote was by a refer.
trice to th=e fact whleli lie bat already declared,

,

namely, eg that at.present no necessary suspension of
the Roy;%l funelions existed:„'"
Earl Fi, ZWILLI AM mule a few observations
respeding,ihe nature of the Cormriunications which-
had been hitherto made on the subjett, and seemed
to advert to the 'circumstance of the fifth medical
attendant, as had been mentioned, and on which he'
ttiOuiiiiexiirmatiOti-shOulti he afforded.' - -
The LORD CHANCELLOR quitted the Wdol.
sack, to address, he observed, their Lordship
very shortly upon the subjea, and to which he was
induced principally by some observations which fell
from a Noble.'Ettrt,, and also in some degree by the.
! expressions of 'a N6ble Lord, who particularly ad-
versed to' himself. .He could assure that Noble

Lord, that on the preient important occasion, as
well as on everrother occasion of his life, he was
guided, in his conduEt, by a -cOnscientious regard,
to what mature consideration told him to be his
duty, and to this he would on'all occasions 'adhere,
the more especially where it involved considerations
of great, and as the Noble Lord expressed it; of
awful responsibility. , He knew and felt what his
duty to "the best of Sovereigns, to whom he was
by affeetion and gratitude strongly attached, exa&ed
:from him, and,:ht" also: knew and felt what was,
his duty to the Country. He was equally aware
with'the Noble Lord, that His Majesty placed his
best happiness in the maintenance of our inestimable
,constitution, and in the interests and welfare of
his people. Under all these convitlions, and feet_
ing these impresiions, he could, in reference torhe
topic on which sic; much stress had-been laid, only
repeat the declaratiOn which had made by the Noble
,SECRETARY of &FATE.
The Earl of CARNARPON made a variety of
observations upon, the subject : he thought what
had been advanced on the part of His Majesty's
Ministers by'no means. satisfaflory ; neither- was it
reconcilable to his mind how the increased re!
sponsibility of Ministers.cotild proportionably in-
crease the security of the Country. , No man in the
Kingdom could be more.dutifully• or affeBionately
attached to their brdoved Sovereign than himself.—
But, he thought with a Noble Lord who spoke- in
the course of. this conversation, that the peculiar
and critical 'situation ot' the Country required that
every possible information shociiii be given on a
subjeft of such peculiar importance :---the bare
assertions of Ministers, howeverhiolt their station,
he did not think sufficient. Wliy should not. the
House be perMitted to draw-their iriformati ,i 1 from
the same'sourees as Mioisters theniselVes ? No sort
Of proof was'cffered on the occasion.' On a former
instance, when the
,state of the Sovereign's Hetilth
.was, considered to be' of the last importance,
the Physicians who attended the Royal Per.
"son were examined. He certainly bad the
highest' respeq
•- fur some of His M.ij,..sty's ore..
sens.._mirsisters as individuals, but such an occa-
sion as 'the present obviated all personal' considera,
tions.
~ He :repeated,. the declaratiotii, Made were
.riot satishetory, What daily or hourly intercourse
had they with Ole Sovereign, to 'enitble:hem, con.
441-en4- -to--Make-suCh declarations?-Ernin that in-
tercourse and that royal communication, all their
respcSabilify' as political . men was derived ; yet
.that'suth ealiitea,.no proof was offered. Upon the
whole, the:'NOble Earl appeared of opinion that
the declarations :made by His Majesty's Miiiisters,
did not afford sufficient information upon the sub.
left.
Lord GRE N7fLLE felt it proper to address the
House in explanation upon the subjed ; he repeated
-his observations 'upon, the propriety of coming to
a Clear understanding upon the occasion. He
-adverted to the steps which had beeri formerly
`taken by the Legislature on the occasion of a ne-
cessary suspension •of.the Royal Fuodions. No man
could•deplore more 'sincerely than himself the con-
Jingency of a' like
-recurrence ; but he seemed 'to
wish for ;lie opinion of Ministers, with a referetiCe
to the recorded right and duty of the Legislature,
in such or possible contingency, •as-expressed in the
second ReSbliiiiOli,ilSo we understood his Lordship),
which was adopted by both 1-lauses•of Parliament
.at the- crisis he allnied 01; •this.he. read from the
'Journals, and was to the following purport :
" Resolved, That it is the right and duty of the Lords
Spin tual and Tempotal and:Commons of Great Britain, now
assent ;icd,• and lawfully,. fully, and freely representing all
the Estates Of.`the People 'of this Realm, to provide the'
aneans of supplying the defed of the personal exercise of th'e
Royal Authority, arising from Ells MA .1 Esr.y's -IndispZrsi-
tion,. in such manner as the exigency of the case may appear
:to,:requirc."
He alluded to the preceding Resolution, from
which that quoted. had.sprung ; and which referred
to the Sovereign being prevented by indisposition
froin :doming, to Parliament, and attending to public
.lasiness, &c. In considering the subjed, he wished
,to-keep these propo'sitions in view„ and to get an
explicit declaration from MiniSters upon the sills,
jest. •On the occasion to which -he had alluded,
the re-establishment of the health oft-the Sovereign
was satisladorily made known to that House, by the
declaration of a Predecessor of the Noble Lord now
.upon' sthe ..Woolsack (Lord Chancellor Tfitiknow)
that he had had access to his Sovereign, and'hy
iliac
means knew the truth of what he' hail advanced.
In all probability, • ere many days 'had • elapsed,
some - farther discussion would' -take plaCe on
the subjeft than what 'had- transpired in the
present conversation. His Lordship, also adverted
to the important measures which were, pending in
Parliament, that upon.which the question Jsefore the
House rested, and the still more unportanz measure
pending in' theother House, 'and whiCh, if possible,
was of equal importance with the, topic under discus-
sion, as involving considerations 'deeply Cononeaed,
with the vital defence and security of the Ciintty,
and which would lead to the necessity of.. farther
discussion of the topic in question.' • • -
The LORD CHANCELLOR,- in
,-explanation,
obser yeti, he should have to trouble the. House with
but a)Very few words. There was no:sort of com-
parison between the present, avdthe case to Which
the Noble Lord referred: the Ausion• was-unneces.
sary.-He was aware of tlie_circuaistan'ce Which g .ye
rise to the Resoluti n adverted to, the lii.ading
one of which, ;lc ,ta•ed, , was the inability of she
Sovereign :from indispositiOn of yyttiii,.g down to
Prirlianieor ; the Noble L rr, was equal!),
aware there were many inhip .rt-
ant braeches of the Royal Otter- than
coining clown to 13. c Lament. In reference to the
• repeated cat's of Noble Lords that evening. he

hado-to hesitatipn to declare, that from all the in-
formation whiCh he could tolled- from any quarter,
he knew of no necessary suspension of His Majesty's
Royal Funeti?..?S. •%With respedto what had been
said 'of the -application of . the Great 'Seal, he
could not, under the present circumstances, do other
than reprobate the idea of affixing it without the
eXpress commaqi of his Sovereign. Wffitever it
inapplease Piovidence in its wisdom eventually to
decree, he would continue to be guided- solely by
a conscientious regard w the dilates :of his, duty
towards his gracious Sovereign, "and tile ',country
over which he so happily. ruled ; and as at present
•he.considerecl the topic in that point of view, -no
consideration -whatever should induce him - to say a
word upon the subjeCt.., . = •
The question :was then, put, .and. the. Bank of
Ireland Restridion Bill was ordered 'to be read a
second time on MondaY next.
Lord GRENYILLE then rose, and called the
attention of the House to a subjed, on which he had
On former occasions given notice of his intention to '
bring forward ~a, He. .alluded to the
enormous paper circulation of the Country : on
this important topic he should_ probably take the
opportunity which the-Second 'reading'of the Bank
of Ireland Bill 'would afford, to deliver his sen-
timents. After expatiating generally upon-the-sub-
jed, as connetted with the general Defence of the
Country, and in other points of view, he observed,
it was unnecessary to point out the propriety 'of
having every pradical.information upon the subject.
In that view, he should now move for the production
of an Account of all Cash, Bank and private Paper,
received in their official capaciries;bY
.General of the Land-tax for the year ending sth of
January 1804.. His Lordship then moved zccording-
ly, and that the quantities of Cash, Bank and Private
Paper, should be distindly set forth, as well as the
Ananti'ty received within certain given periods in the
,course of the year.
This Proposition gale rise to some discussion, in
a great degree, of the general subject, in which Lords
HAwKEEBURT, CARYsFoRT, SPENCE.R, HOBART,
the LORD CHANCELLOR, and the Noble Mover,'
bore a part. -
Lord EAWICESBURY resisted the Motion, prin.
cipallyon two specific grounds : first, that accounts
.which it would be found pradicable to produce,
would by no means afford the desired information ;
,and secondly, that the produttion of such an account
-would involve great and general inconvenience, and
its many cases produce injurious consequences.
r; .Lard G R ENVILLE spoke in explanation at some
length, and contended for the.expediency of an in.:
quay into the general subjed•of the Paper CliCUla.
flop of the Country ; the more especially,. with •a
reference to a landing Of, the Enemy in the King-
dom..
The Earl of CARYSFORT supported the argil.-
. .
menus Of hi, Noble Relative, Lord GRTNV r LLE.
Lord' HAWKESS.URY ;explained. at some
length ; he observed that the N,ble Lord who in-
tfildteed- the subjeCk hair in his.- clisctiiiiTiTmisre:.
presented much of his argunitnt,,--1-le expressed his
readiness to meet thc•Nohle Lord op the general
subjec'l, whenever a IdgUlar opportunity:, shuuld
offer.
Earl SPENCER spoke shortly in favdtir of what
had been advanced bY his N0.1)16..,Friend...1-4.9a qk N-
VILLE. . •
The LORD CHA2VCELLOk in discussing the
subjel, with a reference ,more particularly .to 'the
Motion, displayed his usual, abilities. In the'
Course of his observations, he remarked that it
was not the circulation of Bank Paper that ,Was
injurious ; an excessive circulation of private
Paper was, in some, points of view, Of an inju.
rious tendency ; -hut ,that description of private
Paper which was more diredlv injurious, was the
Accommodation Notes, the pra-dice of which he re-
prehended, especially cis creating an artificial Capi-
rat in the Country. He doubted greatly the prac-
ticability of obtaining 'what the Motion called for,
certainly to the extent of it ; and particularly the
-requtred•distinCtions of Bank, Paper. Private Paper,
&c, and he agreed with his N.)ble Friend in deem-
ing that the information required,' coald.it be ob-
oined,' would be very inadequate. .
Lord HOBART, in a very short speech, supported
,what fell from the Noble Lords who aEted
•. Lord GRENVILLF.- and the CHANCELLOR seve.
rally explained.
The question was then. put, and the. Motion ne-
gatived.
The Bills upon the Table were then foreiarded
in their several stages.—Adjourned ditto-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

THURSDAY, MARCH I.

THE adjourned Ballot for a Committee to try the
merits of a Petition, complaining of an. undue Flee-
:tion for Coventry, stood for this day, but there.be-
ing only. 83. Members present
.at four o'clock, an
Adjournment of course took place till to.-itiorrow.