The Sun.
London, England, 1867-08-16 00:00:00

VOLUNTEER INSTRUCTORS.

Mr. OT SVAY asked the Secretary of State for War
whether it was intended to withhold from the sergeant
instructors attached to the volunteer corps from the
ments of the line the additional two pence per diem paid
to sergeants of the lino and militia?
Sir J. PAKINGTON said ho presumed the question
related to the 2d. lately granted. (Hear, hear.) The
sergeant instructors of volunteers consisted of two classes,
viz., those sergeants who have been lout to the volunteers,
and who are still retained on the lists of their respective
regiments, and with respect to them it was only fair that
they should receive the addition. (Hear, hear.) With
respect to those who had left the line and were in receipt
of pensions, their case had not yet been decided.
coinzurr PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS.
Mr. DAIWY GRIFFITII.3 asked the Chancellor of the
Exchequer whether it was the intention of the Go-
vernment that the bill for the Prevention of Corrupt
Praeti:es at Election, which had b.!en considered and re-
ported on by a select committee, should 6o brought for-
ward at the earliest period next session.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he did
not feel competent at that mom nt to sketch out the Par-
liamentary campaign for the ensuing year. He should b •
sorry if the bill was not passed, and the best way to
achieve that object was to introduce it as soon as pos-
sible.

PARK-LANE.
Mr. Alderman LAWRENCE asked the First Commis-
sioner of Works whether, in order to give greater facilities
for the circulation of traffic and relieve the present over-
crowded thoroughfare of Park-lane, he would endeavour
to obtain her Majesty's consent for cabs to cross the corner
of Hyde Park from the gate at Hyde Park-corner to Stan-
hope-gate, in a similar manner as cabs are now per-
mitted to cross Hyde Park from Victoria-gate to
Prince's-gate.
Lord J. MANNERS said he had received no represen-
tations that there was too little traffic at the Stanhope-
gate. The traffic was too great in the other direction, and
he did not think it would be advisable to interfere with
the existing arrangements. Her Majesty had given her
assent to the proposal for the widening of Park-lane,
which would give much greater facilities to the carriage
traffic in that Leighbourhood, and it was only the unfor-
tunate difference that had sprung up between the Metro-
politan Board of Works and the Corporation of the City
of London which prevented the improvements being com-
menced.
Mr. AYRTON asked whether the very rich but very
much under-assessed parish of St. George, Hanover-
square, had been applied to to contribute to the cost of the
improvement.
Lord G. MANNERS replied in ,the negative, as the cost
of making the improvement was to be paid for by a con-
tinuation of the coal tax.
BARS AND BARRIERS.
Mr. Alderman LAWRENCE asked the Homo Secretary
if he intended next session to introduce a bill to remove
the bars and barriers on the roads in Whitechapel, Gray's
Inn-road, the Foundling, the Bedford, the Euston, the
Portland, the Southampton, the Westminster, and the
Portman estates, so as to place the metropolis in the same
position as Paris and the other cities on the continent ?
Mr. 0. HARDY did not propose to do any such thing.
THE IRISH CHURCH.
Mr. LEFEVRE asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
if he would lay upon the table, before the close of the
session, in accordance with the assurances given by the
Chief Secretary for Ireland on the sth of July, the names
of the commissioners to inquire into the revenue of the
Established Church in Ireland, and also the names of the
Irish Education Commissioners.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
reason the names were not made known was because they
had not been decided. Several applications had been made,
but uccess had not attended ose effts. That was the
soles cause that had led to the delayor in publishing the
names.
BUENOS AYRES.
Mr. NORWOOD asked the Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs what progress had been made towards a
settlement of the claim of the owners of the Cestus against
the Buenos Ayres Government, which was referred to the
decision of the President of the Republic of Chili in 1865 ?
Lord STANLEY said he had no information on the
subject, but he had communicated with her Majesty's
Charge d'Affaires; as yet, however, there had not been
time for an answer to arrive to his letter.
EENWICH HOSPITAL.
In reply to an HON. MEMBER,
Lord H. LENNOX stated that after a careful inspection
it had been ascertained that considerable expenses would
have to be incurred in converting either Queen Mary's or
Queen Ann's quarters into an hospital, tut
that Queen Diary's was the most appropriate
and easily converted. Inspection, however, had been made
and the same result had been arrived at. Under these
circumstances the original offer had again been made to
the authorities of the Dreadnought.
INCREASE OF THE EPISCOPATE.

In reply to Mr. LEFEVRE,
Sir R. PALMER said he did not intend to press the
measure further during the present session, in consequence
of their Lordships differing from them upon some very
important points in the bill.
ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ACT.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
that the house at its rising adjourn to Monday,
Mr. NEWDEGATE called the attention of the house to
certain circumstances connected with the select committee
appointed to consider, to hear evidence with respect to,
and to report upon the Ecclesiastical Titles and Roman
Catholic Relief Acts, to the evidence taken by, to the pro-
ceedings, and to the report of the above committee.
Mr. WHALLEY followed the hon. member.
Mr. WALPOLE said be had sat upon that committee,
and according to his view of the matter their duty iu that
committee was not avoiding any particular act, or to come
to any foregone conclusion. He thought the duty of the
commnitte appointed was for the purpose of inquiring and
reporting whether, in their opinion, there was anyihing
whatever in the practical working of that act weighing
upon Roman Catholics which made it expedient tha the
act should be repealed or altered. Those who hal been
instrumental in the appointment of the committee had
failed to prove that there was so, and the committee came
to the conclusion that there was no practical grievanvi-
ce,
and therefore it had been thought unnecessary to call e
dence on the
THE theolCogicalASE beOF arin
CUNCANON.
g of the question.
Major ANSON asked the Secretary of State for the
question with regard to the sentence
Home Department a
passed on a man named Cuncanon at the last Stafford
assizes ?
Mt. HARDY said at present he had no official informa-
tion on the point.
The motion was then agreed to.
The house then adjourned until Monday next.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—LAsT EvENING.
THE FORTIFICATIONS.

In reply to Mr. O'BEIRNE,
Sir J.YAKINGTON said it was intended to make ex-
periments at targets representing accurately the iron walls
and shields of the fortifications at present in course of
erection at Portsmouth, Plymouth, Portland, and Pem-
broke. The experiments would be carried out by firing the
heaviest guns at present on board any of the ships of the
royal navy, and at the shortest distances; it was not at all
likely ships of war would approach the forts.
Lord ELCHO thought the experiments would ba much
more satisfactory if instead of targets a complete section of
the fortifications should be experimented upon; and with
respect to the power of the guns, he should like to know
if it was to be limited to those guns only in her Majesty's

navy.
Sir J. PAKINGTON said the targets woirld be made to
represent the strength of the iron walls and shields, and
the groat desire was to have a satisfactory and effectual
trial. Ho was not aware that any foreign navy carried
heavier guns than those on board her ajesty's ships. He
should feel happy in consulting with t Mhe noble lord pre-
vious to the experiments being tried.
Colonel SYKES asked whether it was intended to place
iron shields on the granite walls.
Sir J. PAKINGTON replied in the negative.
JUDGE OFTIIE ADMIRALTY COURT.

In reply to Mr. GRAVES,
Mr. lIARDY said he believed that the patent of the new
judge was now not only made out, but sealed. (Ilear,hear.)
GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS.
Mr. GRAVES asked the First Lord of tho Admiralty if
a pair of engines of about 700 horse power, ordered from
Messrs. Napier and Co , about six years since, were still
lying in their factory ; aud, if so, to state what ship they
were intended for and why they had not been used ;
aud
whether those engines were not recentl
to stet© the _price
y offered for resale
to Messrs. Napier and Cu. and, if so,
offered by that firm. ines that were
Mr. COREY said there were some eng
ordered in the year 1860 at present lying at Messrs.
Napier's 3 and ; they wore ordered for a fifty -gun frigate
which had been partly constructed, but in consequence of
the change that had been occa.sioned by the introduction
of armour clads, the building of the vessel was suspended,
and she was eventually taken to pieces. The reason the
engines were not put into another vessel was because they
were not constructed in accordance with new improve-
ments, and also because it would bo unwise to build a ship
in order to make use of the engines. An offer had been
made for the purchase of the engines, but as the
sum, £lO,OOO, was not considered sufficient it was de-
clined. The engines were to cost the Government £28,000,
and £2,000 for fitting them to the vessel. The former
sum bad been paid to Messrs. Napier, but of course the
latter had not. (llear, hear, and laughter.)
PRIVILEGE.

On the motion that the Speaker do leave the chair to go
into committee,
Mr. WHALLEY said ho had to ask the house to give
him a few minutes attention while he brought under its
notice a case which he considered involved the rights of
members.. The seats under the gallery he believed
generally were appropriated by the Speaker to gentlemen
particularly interested in the debate, and on making
application to the Speaker for the admission of Mr.
Beales to-day the favour had been refused him, the
Speaker informing him that last evening the ad-
mission ho had obtained for Mr. Beales had been, without
his consent, extended to two other persons, and therefore
he declined to have further communication with him on
the subject. He stated that he knew nothing of the three
persons admitted, but he distinctly stated, when he was
applying for admission to the seats under the gallery, that
Mr. Beales and Colonel Dickson might be admitted. The
Speaker had also told him that nothing he could state
with respect to his recollection of the matter would alter
his (the Speaker's) impression of what he had said. He
claimed the right—
Col. NORTH rose to order; he should like to know
what was the breach of privilege the hon. member com-
plained of ?
The SPEAKER said they
were waiting to hear.
Mr. WHALLEY said he would inform the house of that
when ho had sufficiently collected himself. (Hear, hear,
and 14uOtor.) go could ICY fQXI 4 OW ha clicl

-.aim imam

tion tho nama of Col. Dickson, and he thought it was too
much for the Speaker to say he did not, because ho did not
hear distinctly. (Cries of " Order, order," " Chair, chair.")

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
when a question of privilege was being brought forward
the greatest latitude was always allowed, but it had given
him, and he was sure every other gentleman present, pain
to hear the Speaker, who filled ono of the highest positions
in the kingdom—(hear, hear, and cheers)—and who was
entitled to the highest respect-0i mr, hear, and cheero—
in the manner the hon. gentleman had done.

(Hear, hoar.) He therefore begged to ask whether the
matter before the house involved any question of privi-
lege? (Cheers.)
The SPEAKER, said hap the question affected any
other perscn but himself, he shoul 1 have stopped the
hon.inember for Peterborou.;ll sooner than he had done.
lie should have liked the subject to have closed there, but
the House would permit him to say one word or two as to
whit occurred. The hon. gentlem in had speken to him
relative to a gentleman who wits desirous of being present
during the debate. He told him that yesterday ho ha I
ipplied for the admission of one gentleman, which was
granted; but instead of centining the admission to ono
person, three had been introduced, and that he considered
such a proceeding unbecoming and improper. The hon.
gentleman had begun his observations with 11 nits.
statement ; he had never refused admission to
any gentleman, and ho was only too glad to
grant a place under the gallery to Mr. Beales ; and
instead of refusing he hal only asked the hon. member
for Peterborough to wait until he had disposed of some
business in which he was engaged, when he addressed
him before they spoke on the subject ho had mentioned.
(Hear, hear.) He extremely regretted that he should have
been compelled to address those few words to the house.
Mr. WHALLEY again rose, but was met by strong cries
of " Order, order."
The SPEAKER said he was compelled to say there
was no question before the house in which the hon. gen-
tleman had a right to speak.
The HON. MEMBER again attempted to address the
house, but the Speaker, without taking the slightest
notice, put the question, which being carried, he left the
chair, and the house went into committee on the
REGULATION OF T lIE PARKS BILL.
Mr. DENMAN moved that the chairmaa report pro-
gress. He said the bill was one that could not pass during
the present session, and therefore he hoped it would not be
pressed forward by the Government.
Mr. GILPIN hoped the Government would not go on
with the bill, even though the first clause had been given
up. It was one that could lead to nothing but heartburn-
togs and discontent, and that being the case, it would be
but an act of prudence for the Government to entirely
withdraw the bill.

Mr. HARDY said the observations that had boon made
on that occasion were much more moderate than formerly
was the case. He could not, however, state the course it
was intended to pursue with respect to the bill before the
question before the committee was disposed of.
A brief debate ensued, in which it was suggested that
the Government should portion off a small part of Hyde
Park asa place where public meetings might be held. The
adoption of sucha reasonable proposal, it was stated, would
prove acceptable to all parties.
The house then divided on Mr. Denman's motion that
the Chairman leave the chair, when there appeared—
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For the motion ................................

Against it
55
Majority against the motion —
Mr. B. COCHRANE hoped, after such a satisfactory
decision, the Government would drop the bill for the pre-
sent session. The principle had been vindicated, and
therefore he hoped they would agree to his suggestion.
Mr. H. SHERIDAN then moved that the Chairman
should report progress, and other members exhibiting an
intention to follow him in talking out the bill,
Mr. Secretary HARDY said that, without yielding to
the threats and intimidation contained in letters addressed
to himself, or the language which had been indulged in
out of doors, he was compelled to own that it was hopeless
to attempt getting the bill through committee this session
in the face of the opposition raised by an obstinate
minority. Under these circumstances, the only course open
to him was to assent to the motion that the Chairman
leave the chair.
The motion to report progress was then negatived, and
the question that the chairman leave the chair agreed to.
The bill was therefore lost.
The Royal Militaiy Canal Bill was read a second time.
I The Agricultural Gangs Bill and the County Courts
Acts Amendment Bill were read a third time, and passed.
The London Coal and Wine Duties Continuance Bill
and the Thames Embankment and Metropolis (Loans)
Bill were withdrawn ; and on the motion of Mr. Mos;
the author of the measure, the Lords' amendments to the
Banns of Matrimony Bill were ordered to be considered a
month hence, a technical method of getting rid of a bill in
an amended and objectionable form.
The sitting was thou suspended.
The evening sitting was occupied chiefly with the con-
sideration of the Traffic Regulation (Metropolis) Bill,
which was passed through committee after undergoing
several emendations.
On the order for considering the amendments to the
Consecration of Churches and Churchyards Bill, Mr. Gilpin
moved the insertion of a clause to the effect that when any
land is added to an existing churchyard a portion of it
should Le allotted for burials of Dissenters, and that the
amount and situation of such unconsecrated space should
be determined by the parish vestry, subject to the approval
of one of the principal Secretaries of State.
The clause was opposed by Mr. Secretary Hardy, sup-
ported by Mr. Candlish, and upon a division rejected by
33tto 14. The bill was then read a third time and passed.
Tho Lords' amendments to the Turnpike Acts Continu-
ance Bill were opposed by Mr. Nowdegate on the ground
that their lordships had struck out a money clause, and
thus interferedwith the peculiar privilege of the House of
Commons; but on a division the amendments were agreed

to by 30 to 1.
The Representation of the People (Scotland) Bill, which
stood for committee, was withdrawn without comment, the
only Scotch member present being Mr. M' Laren, and he
"gave no sign."
The house adjourned at twenty minutes to two o'clock
until three this