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LOYALTY LOAN.

Mr. DENT said, that as considerable doubts had
arisen respelling the interpretation of the terms of
the Loyalty Loan At, he felt it incumbent on him
to move, that the House should resolve itself into a
Committee to consider that Law, and all the cir.
cumstances which were connected with the trans•

aetion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no
objeaion to the Committee, but could not accede to
the proposition of the Honourable Gentleman with-
out some regular notice being given.
Mr. DENT then gave notice for to-morrow se'n_
night.

CORRESPONDENCE AT MUNICH.
Lord MO RPETH said, that he trusted the House
would excuse him for deviating. a little from the
rules of debate, and particularly as the subjett upon
which he would occupy a small portion of its time,
was one in which the honour and charader of the

Country were materially involved. He alluded to
the foul imputation that had been endeavoured to he
cast on the Government and its Representative, by

a recent publication in a French Official Paper.—To
the circumstatsces of that transaaion he thought it
beneath him to advert, as long as they had been

confined to the foul and malignant pages of The Mo.
rz;teur ; and while they only tended to demonstrate
the rancour of the French Government, he thought
it was the best and most dignified course to treat
them with silent scorn. But the Papers purporting
• to be a Correspondence between the British Envoy
Extraordinary at Munich, and a person residing at
Paris, have been ufficially communicated by the
French Minister to the different Ambassadors in

that City, and the honour of the Nation has been
impeached upon unsubstantiated fads, improbable
in their nature, unproved, and, he confidently trust.
ed, not to be proved. To those communications
acknowledgments had been made, of some diversity
in their tenor, but most of them certainly adopting
and sandioning, in a greater or lesser degree, the
foul reproach that had been cast on the British cha-
ratter ; and in the degraded state in which the
greater part of the Courts of Europe were placed, the
Representative of the Court of Russia was the only
one of the Diplomatic Body who did in his answer
express any doubt of the fad. Some of the Ambas.
sadors to whom tha► communication was made, did
certainly go to very extraordinary lengths in their
replies to the French Minister, and such as he should
hope would be found to deserve the censure of the
different Powers they represent. He particularly al.
luded to the Answer of the Representative of a
Power who had sprung from the same source with
ourselves, whose language was the same, and whose
interests, he trusted,were not opposed to each other.
(A loud clycf " hear! bear !") He was sorry to
see sentiments so derogatory from the honour of the
British charades, received with such pliant facility,
by the Resident of a Power that should have known
how to appreciate our National Charader, in a
more friendly end favourable way. He had no
Motion to make, hut he thought it incumbent on
Ministers to either disavow or exculpate Mr.
DRAKE, and to prove to Europe, and to the world,
that they have got " pointed the dagger of the as-
sassin."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER :
"Mr. Sr EAK ER, I rise to express my unfeigned ob.
ligations to the Noble Lord for affording to His Ma.
jesty's Ministers an opportunity of repelling the
foulest and most infamous charge that has ever pro-
ceeded from a Government claiming to be conshler.
ed as part of the civilized world ; a charge the most
unfounded and diabolical, urged by a Government
the most sanguinary and tyrannical, for the sole
purpose, I implicitly believe, of giving a colour to
the commission of crimes the most heinous and atro-
cious that have ever disgraced and blackened human
nature. As to the imputation that the author and
perpretators of that foul crime have attempted to
throw on His Majesty's Government, it is almost
beneath their dignity to condescend to refute it ; hut
I think it my duty to state to this House, and to the
civilized world, that no authority has been given,
that no instructions have been transmitted to the
English Minister at the Court of Munich, to engage
iu or undertake any thing, that was not striftly
consistent with the most scrupulous observance
of the Rights of Nations, and what, perhaps, is
paramount to them, the duties of humanity. After
having said thus much, I hope it will not be exped-
ed from me, that I should say any thing more in re-
ply to that most false, scandalous, and malignant
imputation. As to the Correspondence to which the
Noble Lord has alluded, it is impossible for me to
enter upon that sobjea, until some Communication
shall have been received from the horourahle per-
son who has been so infamously attacked in it ; a
Gentleman for whose charades I, perhaps, think as
highly, and am certainly as solicitous, as the Noble
Lord, or any one in the kingdom, can be. I have
perfeEt confidence that the more the particulars of
his condud are inquired into, the more apparent
will be the propriety of it, and the vileness and false-
hood of that (as I have the hest greunds to suppose)
most impudent and imfamous fabrication. As soon
as His Majesty's Government shall have received
the Communications they exile_`} from Mr. DRAKE,
the Noble Lord may he assured they will not fail to
adopt the most effedual measures for asserting and
maintaining the honour of the Country. I must
again express my obligations to the Noble Lord, for
affording me an opportunity of dispelling the anxie.
ty of the Country upon a subjeCt, the honour of its
Representative, fur which they entertain all that
laudable jealousy that befits a great and high.onind-
ed Nation."

_
IRISH MILITIA AUGMENTATION BILL.
On the Order of the Day being moved, for the
third reading of the Lill for Au4menting the Mili.
tia of Iceland,

Mr. CAICR AFT rose to eppose. the Sr e
leaving the Chair. He defended the Resolutions of
the Colonels of Militia wile' had assembled at the
Thatched-House, against the censure that he under.
stood they had been exposed to. He thought they
were drawn so clearly and explicitly, that it was nut
possible to misunderstand them. It was stated in
those Resolutions, that deliberation by armed bodies
was dangerous ant) unconstitutional; that was
neither more nor less than the law of the land. He
condemned the plan of the SEC R ETARY at WAP for
the augmentation of.the public force, as impolitic and
impracticable ; and principally objected to it as
tending to raise that species of competition in the
different branches of the Recruiting Service, as would
render it impossible for -us ever to acquire a consi-
derable disposable force.
Sir WM. ELFORI) opposed the Bill, and prin.
cipally that part of it which went to proVide for
the creation of this force, by a bounty to be paid
out of the Exchequers of the United Kingdom. He
thought a Fencible Force much preferable to it, in-
asmuch as it was equally efficient, and was not
liable to the constitutional objcetions that the Bill
before the House was subjed to.
Mr. PITT did not mean to trouble the House at
length, but merely to state the ground of his opi-
nion, that it was impossible to pass the present mea-
sure into a law. He was not one of those who were
of opinion, that under all circumstances, there were
objelions against a force, in its nature not disposa-
ble. On the contrary, he felt that there might
be circumstances in the situation of a country, and
such he considered the circumstances in which this
Country was placed at the commencement of last
year, which would render that description of force
the most eligible, because in that description the
greatest possible number could be obtained in a given
time for the defence of the Country. As a force for
limited service afforded the best prosped of num.
hers; and the greatest facility in the execution, there
could be no doubt of the propriety of resorting to it
at first, and the similar circumstance; might consti-
tute a similar propriety ; he did not think, nor did he
suppose that it would be contended by any Gentle.
man, that such a description of force was in all cir.
cumstances that which ought to be alone provided
for the defence of the Country. • It would not be
denied, that the Regular Force was that which was
most to he looked to after the exigency of the ma,
ment was by the other provided, but though this
was his opinion, he did not think it necessary to
enlarge upon it at present, because (here would be
another opportunity for delivering his sentiments on
that head with more piOpriety. He did not', how.:
ever, conceive the two descriptions of Force incom.
patible, because the limited Force, •which was solely
calculated for defence, might under certain regula-:
tions be made subservient to the rncreese of the Re-
gulars. The principle- of the present measure he
considered as lying within a narrow compass. It
was not a question between a limited and a general
Force, but bet Ween two descriptions of limited
Force. We had two species of Forces whose ser-
vices were limited, first the Militia, of which we
had long experience; and next the Army of Re-
serve, which, in the present instance, we had for
the first time tried, and which, from its services
being extemied to dle United Empire, waa a better
descrip:ion of Force than the Militia. But inde.
Oeedent of the superiority which the! Army of Re.
serve in this 'tesped had over the independ-
ent of its being officered by Regular Officers, in.
dependent of the circumstance that the Militia, in a
great measure, looses its charader when carried to
too great an extent, and independent of the con.
sideration that the Army of Reserve had been ex.
pressly intended as a means of recruiting the Re-
gulars, he could not conceive any.good grounds that,
in the present situation of the Empire, could be
laid for augmenting a species of so limited a de-
scription. By the view which he took of the mea-
sure before the House, it appeared to him, that an
Ad which had been wisely framed to meet the exi.
gencies of the Empire, and to provide for the Re-
cruiting of the Line, was to be suspended, that a
machine which was in operation, was to he put art end
to; that plans which had been wisely devised for pro.
curing that species of Force which was under the
circumstances of the Empire most desirable, were to
be given up, in order that in consequence something
else worse and more inefficient, might be substituted
instead of them. They were to adopt a measure
for the augmentation of the more limited Force,
because this Ad. for raising the -Army of Reserve
had not been at once efficient, hecatiee it had been
found difficult to carry it into full and complete effect
in the first instance. Considering all these circum-
stances, he was of opinion that the present measure
viewed comparatively with that, which it was pro.
posed by His Majesty's Ministers to suspend, was
one of the most objectionable that could be con.
ceived. He did not look upon it as in any resped
so eligible as the measure of which we were at pre-
sent in possession, and it did not appear to him to
afford so good a chance of promoting the progress
of that description of Force, which on all hands
was allowed to be most desirable. On these
grounds, therefore, he should vote against the mea-
sure, not as against any augmentation of our force,
but because we had every reason to exped a more
effeaual increase to the best description of our
Force, by the operation of the measure which was
now proposed to be suspended.
Lord CASTLEREAGII agreed with his Right
Hon. Friend who- spoke last, that in many points
the Army of Reserve had great advantages over
the Militia, and principally as forming the nidus of
a regular army. But as it was impossible to pro-
cure from those two sources the force that was
wanted, it became necessary to recur to the third spe-
cies of force. He wished to coned a misconcep-
tion which had gone abroad respeding the suspen-
sion of the Army of Reserve At. It was not the
intention of his Hon. Friend near him, to entirely
suspend the operation of the Ast. He would not
suspend the recruiting, but he meant to suspend the
ballots, which created the competition, and the high
bounties. To justify the present Bill, the Noble
Lord stated, that it was in -Ireland alone that it.
was pradicable to raise men at a bounty inferior to
the Line or the Army of Reserve. It arose from
th which the natives of that part of the
Empire
pr pe
pireopossessed
to
follow thr Gmtry
of the court_
try in preirteoCe to RflVtati'irw vet

cellent. He did not concur in those differences that,
had been endeavoured to be suported in respea 0'
the mode of raising men in both Kingdoms ;
ther the bounty was dire& as in Ireland, or indirect,
as in this Country, the operation, as far as regard-
ed the financial part of the system, was the same
in both Countries. If he thought that the pre-
sent measure could possibly-tend to impede the re-
cruiting for the regular service, if it c:mld even
prevent the augmentation of that force by five
thousand men, it would, in his mind, be an in-
superable objedion to it. But he did not think it
would produce any difficulties in the way of the re-
cruiting service for the line. He had inspeled the
returns of that service for a series of years, and he
could perceive from them, that the Army did not
get fewer men, even when the competition c.va
at the highest. He did not think it advisable to
forego the advantages of the present Bill. A great
mass of the population of Ireland will enter into the
Militia, but not into the Army, and to procure the
men wanted, the means of recruiting should be
multiplied. As to the ohjeCtions that had been
urged against the measure on the score of finance,
and as to its being at the joint exf,ence of the United
Kingdom, he did not think that would weigh much
with Gentlemen, particularly if they rededed char,
this was the part of the Empire most menaced, ao.ti
to whom the immediate advantages (if it would re'
suit ; he would therefore vote for the measure.
BAAKES said, that Ministers were intr°:
diming a system, which is more limited, and 1!51;
efficient than the Army of Reserve, in lieu of o.ll'.
it was intended to be substituted ; it was Iva"'
ing the Irish Militia in general liable. to the serf
vice of the two countries; because a recruit wfi
now suppose himself included, and eventually equ!';
ly liable with others, and will, no doubt, retrilr"
a larger bounty to induce him to enter. The ail.
ficiency occasioned by the power granted to His riiati
jesty ought to be supplied by a force equally go.°,
in every respeCt. The Noble Lord had said, t 1","
it was an easy manner of disciplining the men o'b"
were newly raised ; but there were other regimats
. of a different description, in which they miglit a!
easily attain that discipline. We were provi°'
ing for a case which was not existing, as it must be
acknowledged that we are in no greater danger of in-
vasion than. we had been during the winter time.
He was decidedly against the Bill, as it was encourog"
bf
jßectese quite
ing a species of Force which was inferior to the other
Army of Reserve.
teancdotnit'eray Regularr Arr"Y'
an
which was o
to the ir-
tention of Ministers themselves, at a time they
were expressing desire to increase the gegulac
Army. It had been said, that the Army of Reserve
AEI was not to he' suspended entirely ; he vvi!ihed
to know what was the intention of Governnlens
upon that point ?
Lard CASTLEREAGH explained, and sai4
it was intended to suspend the operation of tbe
Army of Reserve Ad in a certain degree, and to
take from the Counties which were deficient in their
quotas, a moderate fine in lieu thereof ; hut not to
suspend the Recruiting, even for that service, at 3:
bounty inferior to that for the Regiments 00.11

Line. the
Mr. WIND HAM said, he did not think thaiit
s
Noble Lord, who spoke in answer to the
Gentleman opposite (Mr. PITT), had been s`'cc,rse
ful in combating his arguments. He would ve.,-°,l,e
to obje4l to the former Bill, although it had 113 u
ratification of that House ; and he objected re"t it
present one on account of its relation thereto•
had been said by those on the opposite bench, that hex
and others in that House, were always coinfla:
ing of the conduEl of Ministers, and, in short, that
" though they piped to us, we would not ailuce,!.
and though they mourned, we would not lament'
(A laugh). He, however, would still observe:
that he never went so far as to say,4' clisbal'‘l
the Militia," he only wished that no au Vin,
tation of that system should take place. Mitu''
ters did not call this a disposable Force, but th
said that it gave them a greater command of thegc
disposable Force. That he denied ; because the one
was quite inconsistent with the other. The recruit-,;
ing for the one would undoubtedly interfere with 1;:c
other. Every one of the Ministers on the 01T°c[r.
Bench seemed to be, as it were, his own anrago%'l,
Every measure they adopted, they counteratte,a rr,
the adoption of some other measure. In 51',°,-01
they were in the situation ofa man who was
by his own speare ; the right hand was ng,rea
with the left. Although they had already
no less than ,i. 00,000 Volunteers, 70,000
and 36, 000 men for the Army of Reserve, 00 seemed; yin of
still to he wishing to increase that deseriPt' oies
force destined for a limited service. Such 19e3-
1-.lc dl"
were totally at variance with one another. f 3t,
approved entirely of such a circuitous made ° coo
taining the object in view,. as that of raising
for the Militia, as a step towards increasin4ed
Regular Army. The Militia were now die
bounty, and not by ballot ; and why no, give
An
force to be raised the appellation of Fencibies ,
ancient Grecian, said he (alluding to A"cre bog
could never produce any thing from his h°rP„,her
the strain of love, notwithstanding the great n-; ;of
of strings on his instrument ; so, in his
gameo'in
were the Ministers always harping on hhere
string ; they seemed to him to end alwaYs be
they began. In the case of rebellion, it
ing gig
said, that it was proper to bring away the Irish Pc
litia from their own country, to prevent a degre_en
party spirit, to prevent a regiment of Oran to
fighting against Catholics. No man would as had
occurred in that Country. Were any Troops pc
augment the ferocity of such civil wars ;ISt° be
substituted for the Militia, he should think
other'
foreigners were as fit for the purpose as anY
aiiisc
to prevent Englishmen or Irishmen fighting agijht
their own relations. Although, f bring
be induced to agree to the propriety 0
aceOn
Irishmen out of their own country on that she
MiniSter
yet by the measures adopted by the . ed
be rats le,
found that other Irishmen were to
however, he.i"
e Gent. h
their place. He doubted not that scorn
Bill . h
le of the alc
principle
the
had
dn
Ilalatedlybepenassiendd,ucuepdontothveote for. th.e
Militia being thus always kept uP Gendel
height. This put him in mind of a c.er.," uot9,
man, who always loved to inrox:cate 121. ghis Focht
the method he adopted was, by keeflng,,tus Ode
1.it.,w1 constantly soi,plied by an arPar°

' is table ; sn'tliat fhns6 whom he entaataincd were
minced to drink too- much, by their perceiving
• hat the •-quiantity of liquor never decreased. U
less the deficiency was' to be supplied by farcigti
Regular .Troops, he thought Ireland would be left icr
n
a defenceless state. .He saw no prospeCt of
that re-
ciprocity which had been so often alluded to.- Such
Measures made it more and more impossible to pro-
cure:that species of force which was wanted: M.
nisters
.first tried their hand at one mode, and frn‘j_
kg that not to succeed altogether to the expeCta-
i•iori of
,the Country, they then try another, and
finding that as bad, they then came to the Mi.
li;ia system again. In short, they seemed, not-
withstanding their own inclinations, to be follow-
ing means to procure any thing hut a regular army.
He hail read of a Lady who said he gallant, that
he was the only man she ever knew who seemed dr-
tertr.incd nor to be a Gentleman. He might say'of
the present Ministers, that they appeared to him to
be the only Ministers he ever had heard of, who
we're determined never to have an army.
Mr. Secretary YORKE said, that so far from his
Majesty's Ministers seeming to be determined nut
to have a regular Army, as the Right Hon. Gentle-
Irian (Mr. WratrixAm) had expressed himself in the
conclusion of his Speech, he should only mention,
what had been often' taken notice of lately in that
Housea that the Artily was greater at this moment
than it ever was at an equal period in any former War.
In point of fag}, the regular Artily was never a po.
pular measure in, this hat.l_bCountry.The plan which
ee, always adopted
was to reduce it at the end
of eVety War:' The Fiiice proposed to be raised by
this Bill, was acknowledged by those who had ex-
perience of Ireland,: to-be the best that could be
adopted in the present situation of the Country, and
+would least of all interfere with the regular Army •
Ireland had, as yet, cnntributed less •to the augmen-
tation of the•Artny than its proportion, when com-
pared with Great Britain,• 01 20,0litia,
i 8,000 only were raised in. that Cooountry aft this
moment : of .ro,ooo men for the Army of Reserve,
only 7oco had been prOcured. Ireland bad there-
fore a great number of men yet to furriish. There
avert a-great many men of ld
property who wou cme
forth and endeaVour 'to 'augment. the Militia ato the
bounty. proposed, who 'w
9twould not enter into any
her-166d °F service.. He was convinced, that by
the influence of soda leading Gentlemen in Ireland,
the• Force proposed by
without at all interfering the Bill could be soon raised
with the recruiting of our
regaltir Army;
frir..FOX said, he h ,
.. • • had formerly given his opinion
Of the general Plan' '
of Defence Which had been adopt-
ed, and he had listened with attention to all that had
`been said by
others upein the subjett. If to,ooo men
were aCrually Proposed to be raised fora limited ser-
vice, Ire Weli:d ask, why should it be for the utmost
posaible limited service ? We were placing ourselves
jr
in a very
whimsical situation. Of 20,000 Militia in
elnd, we w - - -this Country
ere to bring to,ooo to
,
'while, as to the
other ro,ooo, we were making no
fitoviaion or engagement at aili He wanted to know
:on what ; '
Pr.nciple h proposed to enter
,i6lO a similar
was not also
moat
engagement with the new levies ? It
had been answered that they could not be raised so
cheaply a_
The
' tiler) why not rai.e them as Fencibles ? .
"node of .• • . '.• '
raising this proposed augmentation was by
WhanlJking an addition "of 3o men to each Company.—
t was tei become of the Regiments which might
chanee'to be. in ibis Country ?" Were their Companies
of seventy men to lie increased: to one hundred ?
'and were the thirty additional men to be left in
Ireland, or to join the others in England ? The 'must, undoubtedly, be raised on some
specific agree-
y
nieni, in order to procure their voluntary acqui-
escenee. While ic'was said that Fencibles could not
be procured to come to this Country at a bounty of
four guineas, how were we to get the Militia to ex-
tend their services at that rate ? Notwithstanding
all the bciast of Voluntary Services, Ministers seem.
ed afraid to broach the subjed to the new levies,
and appeared inclined to trust, that when men had
been induced to enlist into a Regiment which had
extended its service
oat e ," they also would not refuse an
eqxtension, The foundation of the Plan seem-
ed to he the pioposed suspension of the Army of Re_
serve M.-
• . , and while Ministers thus took one syS-
sem out Orille market-
, so as not to interfere with
the "Itegular Ar ' .
rra.n• by a mile Y, they immediately add to,ooo
will interfere, more or less,
with' din very cl
.
service, by preventing its rapid in.
crease,

The Cl-I:INCELLOR.oftI:,
..-ssi:.:HEOE,'ER ob-
served, that the Privates would most -pc-robahly b't.
. join . .
disposedlo their co:Tirades and then the force
would SO far be augmented. it had he 1 '` '
been asked, w ~y
Fencihles were not raiser', inset of Militia ; but it
ghould be recolleaed that during the last war, the
Feticibles were not raised fur general service -to all
p.ltts of the Kingdom. The mode of raising the Mi-
ltiria.had a peculiar facility growing €,.(it of the na-
vo.rc,tsinfl!ience possessed by Gentlemen in their own
thatl inity,• which vv!s far greater than any other mode
11. could
b' adopted, and it had been particular-
/ found so in Ireland. There was likewise a very
considerable. difti:.suity
cible Corps, wl ' .. in o-ocurin, Officers for Fen.
5
II(.11 Was ,)•••
II; no means the case with
the Militia. The objed of this Bill was to provide
a. Militia equal to that provided during the last war:
it created a farce of 10,000 men, to be raised with
far greater dispatch, and to he disci in a
much quicker wa p
T than any other description of
force hat an i y
ncrease of disposi,bie force was
urgent no one could deny ; Lot it was also urgent
to consider the facility of its aplication. The Hun.
G:mtlernen had stated, that thisp measure would in-
terfere with the recruiting of the Regulars; so it
might he thought upon general reasoning, but
those .he
who were most conversant with
Ireland, were of opinion, that it would operate
'Von diTerent dispositions and classes from
those
40n whom the Recruiting System operated,
and
b, Y a comparison of the Levies of different years,
• It would appear that nu material variation was
likely to take place. At the end of the last wa
it would be found, that of the 25,003 Militia then
disbanded
anded, very few entered into the army. The
• Prmption, therefore, was, that it was a different
• °eilss of the people on whom this measure would
Periite, from those who eilli3ted in the Regulars in
• 19e firbt instance. It had been argued as it we had
' " di s posa hie force ; but the faa was, that we had
t 'll.6tnt a disposable force of 70,000 men, rank

and file. Lef it not therefore,'he supposed, or
to that we wete t‘,itimut a disposable toro.
Mr. lio:!xolaint-d-.
111 r. C.l ..VA :NG wished to kc-ow from the Right
Hcn. Gentlenian:(Mr. ADD I NGTON) It LC
tation was to extend Latinist regiments this
Country as well o.:to.those in Ireland ? if lie,undcr-,
stood the Right Hon. Gentleman,: the-augmentation
was to exter‘d to the regiments volunteering to tlii'
Country as well as to those in Ireland. In this case
it most be in the power of the new levies to refuse,
as the tents on which they are to be
„raised will.
certainly admit of a refusal. in the nient, therefore,
of their refusing to come to this Country to join
regiments with which they are totally unacqtraint-
. ed, he would ask, what use would be made of them,
detached as they. would be in thirties, without be-
longing to any particular regiment ? That they
will volunteer, is a mere assumption for which there
is no evidence. On the contrary, he would ask,
what inducement they could have to volunteer to
regiments already gone, and to every individual in
which they might be total strangers ? He wished
to know if Ministers meant to cure a greater breach
of faith by a less ? Had this mode of recruiting been
adopted at first, had it been resorted to a year ago;
there would have been less objedion to it. But His
Majesty's Ministers tell us' that though the Irish
Militia Transfer Bill, gives a power of accepting.
their Offers, yet that power, perhaps, may not be
used. In like manner, the House may pass an Ad,
to increase the Militia of Ireland, but -it will not
necessarily follow that such an increase should take,
place, or that such an increase hai been intended.
To-morrow too the House will be called upon to
suspend the Army of Reserve Ad, while upon the
same principle, no such suspension, is intended to
take place. .
Mr. ALEXANDER supported the'Bill, upon the
principle, that the Militia Service Was the best cal-
culated to raise men. in. Ireland. It was there very
different from this Country. From the want of Poor's
Laws, 'and from 'the extensive subdivision of land,.
the petty tenants, as most Of them were, at 51. a
year, were more under the influence of the Landed
Gentlemen, while the young men had no regular
profession, were without education, and found 'it
necessary to enlist with a country gentleman, ',to
secure the lease to their families.

Sir JOHN NEWPORT differed with the last
Speaker. TO the North of Ireland, indeed, the,Mi.
litia was generally raised in the particular Couniy
but not so in the South, to which the system of
raising by bounty materially contributed.
Col. VEREKER spoke in sn'pport of the niP'-
sure, as the best mode of raising additional force in'
Ireland. To prove the facility of raising Militia
in Ireland, he instanced what occurred 'during the
time that he was Governor of Limerick,. where he
found great difficulty in procuring Recruits for the
Army of Reserve, though the Bounty was as high
as ten guineas per man. But when his own Regis.
merit of Militia was marched out of the town, not less
than an hundred men followed it for twenty miles,
desirous of being enlisted ; so much attached were
the people to the Militia Servite.
•
Sir JOHN NEWPORT explained.
Col. BAGWELL said a few wprds in a low tone
of voice.

Col. CRAUFURD could not support this mea_
sure, nor be convinced by any arguments brought in
its favour. He believed there were m.iny who
would raise Fencible.Regiments in Ireland.
Lord de BLAQUIERE thought the mode of aug-
menting our force now proposed, the worst pos.
sible mode that could be proposed. It was a
measure of defence, and not of offence ; and,
therefore, as the SECRTETARY Of STATE had brought
it forward as a mode of increasing our offensive
Force, he must, on his own principles, oppose it.
Within twenty-four, or at most, forty-eight hours,
he was certain that Government had received offers
to raise Fencible Corps in Ireland. If ever he gave
an honest vote in that House (a laugh), he should
now, in voting against the measure.
The question being put, the numbers appeared-,-
Ayes, 128
Noes, 107
Majority - 2 1
On the G:illery being re-opened, •
MI. ALEXANDER brought up the Report on the
Irish Linen Man ufadure Bill, which was received,
and ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
The Committee of Supply was deferred to Wed-
nesday next.
Adjourned at Twelve o'Clock.