The Sun.
London, England, 1804-07-20 00:00:00

INDIA BUDGET.

Lord C ASTLSRE AGM,- before he should make.
the Motion for Papers of which !what, given notice,.
felt it necessary to state shortly the objctk he 'hid
in view, as it was not his intention to follow up the
produdion of the. Accounts .by 'any specific Motion..
—ln the. Debates that had taken place ,at differed
times on the Indian Affairs, there had_appearedibur„
little difference 'of opinion respeding.the Accounts,
in Gehtlemens' hands. Rut when Hon, Members'
travelled out of these Accounts, and: entered intcs
the consideration of.those of fortber years, a.diXer.
enceol'ooinion then look -place, because they had
not three voluminous Accounts of rite preceding Budget
before them. . The °Nett, therefere, of the Motion
.with which •hemeant to conclude, was to have laid
before the House a aOr.CiSC aceltint of ail the antece.
dent andgets for the last 12 years, since the renewal
of the Company's Charter, in order that Gentlemen
aught at a,single glanee•baable.to perceive the
ge-
neral result, • and to draw just references from
impartial consideration of the aggregate Accounts ;
wilful misstatement ;had newer been imputed to
himself or, his Noble Psedecessor ; nor was it possi.
We for either to have been guilty of ,it, as the'means
of detection were never ,more ample in any. brarich'
of the Public Sarvice, than were contained in the!
distinct Record which was annully laid before ihd
Howie respeding the Indian Accounts. • -83.tolirpt!td1
:was the Noble Lord, to his, own,' aitt'hia,.,grothe
,-Friend's statements, that he was confident Sey
would be borne. out by, the ,faft, when the corn.
bined Accounts of the whole ten .years should he
considered. Two charges had been urged against
him and his Noble Predecessor, one particular, 'the
other general. The particular one waa: that, in
. forming the Estimates,-they took too liniit-ed aView
of the probable Expenditure, and that while- they
• gave a fluid accoutit.of the Rev,enites of Itidia,
result shewed,' that no Surplus Revenue existed, •
This charge, the Accounts he should move loi; would
enable him to meet. As to the general charge, that
our Territories in India would afford aid to our Re.
sources, rather than be a burthen on. the Empire, it
was at first but a counter assertion, to meet a gloomy •
assertion, that our Affiiri in the East were falling
.to ruin, and had been completely verified in part.
Though.ten year; of War had shcceeded, India had
not been a charge to the Empire. With respell to
the other part of the predietion, that it would aid
the Resources 6f slop Empitr. ahatrlt.t i_tisAmeaxic.l)...
laced with reference to a State of Peace, though Gen.
tlemeh seemed to conceive that it was equally appli.
'Cable to a State of War. The' N.)ble Lord theft call.
ed the attention of the Houie to the more precise
part of the Charge, with respea .to the little Itt.
'tendon paid to .the probable amount of thy;;
tual expenditure, which had been the cause 'of
making large Loans in •India. On thee
mites of the last ten years there was_ but • an
excess of 3,200,0001. of the liatl4l amount of the
charge over the 'sums estimated,
.and he put it to
the House, whether that difference in such 3 pc.'
rind was proof of any great inaccuracy ? The pre.
parations -for the Mahratta War had increased the
expence eoo,oool. The Mysore War had also swelled
the expenditure over the estimate. And this he
• trusted would' shew the House, that the • estimates
had been as. accurately fratred, and came nearer to
the adual expenditure, than any other Public
10antt. • But the 'result was not less 'favourable in
iinOther' point The Noble Lord, here
,hewed by a detailed account, •that after • derriy.
in ttlte. charges;' Civil 'and as : will: 8,1
paying the inteiest of the Debt, there remained 4
net -surplus' "Or 2,64,0001. whio, added to.lhe
claims of the Compaity on Government,' taken
2,000,cooL7rgoo;0001. of which had already bev.p
aau,dly allowed, .gave , a clear net.. surplus' el
4.64,0001. -It was a fair question to ask, liokt
that sum had been disposed of, or whether it had ore
into commerce. Doting ibis •period I.,200.000:,
Debt had been discharged in the Cgarna,ic'; :nets;
was-an ;increase of 1,320,0001. in the ,baltieeeli
cash in lodia, and also an increase of advanees
the different Presidenciei to the amount of 200.000 t
to which, if the soomool. participation on the pays,
',.oft the Public- in the year 1793,- tivere'Adtleds' 1114,
whole woUld•amount nearly' to the surplus.' It did-
not follow'from the .increase of the debt abroad, that .
'any deterioration took place in theCompany'a Af
fairs, because, though the debt increased abroad it
diminished at home; and takirig both into considera.
• tion, •it had *teased only 9,000,0001. whilst the,•
A.:sets of the Company had increased by 121570,000 j.
which gave an improvement:hi above ttl-o'rnitliuns
The
,Noble Lord did, not wish to see the debt abroad
increased; on acedtint of the high interest : but Ns;
arisen from the means of procuring bullion hay.
• ing been limited, and the necessity there wad
ofmnirading..the investments in India., or i)11
curing the. means by Lanus in India. lie contended
Akeretore, that the affairi,of the. Company it'ere uot
deteriorated,. and .was equally Convinced of the fat.:
lacy of the :opposite opinions ,advaticed by Gentle..
.men who'toole a pair in these debates, that the Com.
meree was, supported by the territory, or the terri-
•• torY.by.the',Commer-ce. The Accounts of the Com.,
pany were accurately made up; and When the' Paper's
:sisoeld,ba hefere the I louse, Gentlemen would j o dge
whether any errors existed. in them. The Noble
Lard cnnrlurled by..nioying,' That there,be laid be.
fm.the tkouse an Accnunti shelving -theestimated
. and adual .amount t,i the Revenues anti Charges in
India for ten.yeors,. from 1792.3 to 180273, after
deduding. the Charges for Beocoolen..
Mr, jakasT,)NE coot coded that all .his•stare-
mentS .were confirtoed completely. byithe admissions
ot 'tie Noble Loo, whoac con44t thiiinstdnce

. .
he, consideredmost -unparliamentary and ttnem.'
did, as, *hen the Noble Lord could not meet' the'
nbjeelions made_ to the Accounts before the House,
he had made a long speech in his justification, lei
referring to Accounts yet accessible only to himself.'
Such a- defence had not a parallel in the history of
Parliament,' except twat of the Noble Lord's prede;
censor, which tested on a letter from His Royal
Highness the butts of YORK, which had beet
known only to the Noble Lord himself. If the
predi4ion of that Noble Lord had been well fonttdi
ed, in place of owing za,000,0001. at , this day, the
former debt of the CoMpany would have bein
charged, would hive accumulated t*
cover her capital, and the Public would have paid.
cipated to the amount of soomool. annually. 'The
Hon. Member then conimented on the promise's het
out last year by the Noble Lord,.and concluded by
recommending to the Noble Lord to -redeem his
own pledgee before he undertook fOr his ikede-
cessor,.

ticad CASTLARtikaII and Mr; Geo". JoHlisTenil
mutually explained, an the rubjed of the atatements
oldie Noble Lord last year.. . '
Mr. WALLACE rose; foe the purpose of setting
the lion.. Member (Mr. joHNsToite) right BS to
one Point. That Ron. Mernher had been in:the hse
biteYeer after year, ef asserting that Lord Mei.
vit.Lihad stated, that the public. participation Seao
to take place under all possihie cireunvitanees,. whe.
titer of peace or of war. - That he (Mr. WALL/sot)
denied; - and in • proof of his - position, quoted f
speech of the Noble Lord in 1'796, in which +,"Jle
denied' having given any absolute positive promise
to 'that 'eff.let, and on which occasion the Noble
Lord qutited 'his own words on a •farmer occasion'
when stating his. eXpeelation of the perticipatioe I
he admitted that it might be affefted•by the cond•
nuance of the war, but not to the extent.GentleroeP
apprehended, as it was not likely. then that the can-
tintirst of India would be disturbed."' The Hoe.
Member, therefore, maintained, that .the partici'.
..patibn had been calculated on pealCii anti depended
oft a continuance of peace. , 4.!
.:1 gr. JOHNSTON 4; thanked the Hon. IVlernba
' ' •
' for teeing qUoted• the' words of the Noble Lord,
- 41ilch afforded a complete confirmatiow of .rli his
►
hWne
el
with stichicteiimileenetst,oll\;at7atrheinprelntdliiCat,ii.)nnoltta,reid Ileunt: 1:1-::,,lc
,ii
Wit ; andicappeartd.that there had not beenethres
wholeyears of war in Intliri during 'the period of tin
, ,
Yeats. . . . .. -
* The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose,
merely. 10 ex-pies. Isis sutprizt.:, that the Hon. Gel,.
~rleinan shpulduppost, that the wottis quoted by_hil
',l-jon. friend
.were a justification of his aisertioo,
because they appiaied• to him' a 'complete contra-
didion of them. His Noble Friend had said, that
undoubtedly the estimates would be all'elled by
the continuance of the War, and _had then gone en
.tn. say, that he flattered hiniself, not to the extent
Oentivnen isti pp' °sea: . Al lee' did tioiltraw The-pre-
rise extent his Noble Friend then had in content.
platiun, nor the exaggerated extent to which the Ho".
Gentleman', predecessors in canvassing the fedi*
'Midget; likte.disposstl to state,. he could not deeiii*
that questi*m. It would have been inconeistent in hi.
Noble Friend to have bnpi.sed, that a War Which
had orreineede ile.;eo the. tar. 3,..,..41,..41..,,,j,,pa,
eficds Non. Europe, and upon the Pittances of the
Country, should- not affect the altArs.of the Y)°'
phalt,niybseYneat:siun?othities.t;hrie,tel
• next year r,eoo,oobl. i
a. 41 in rase fourth year of
Ifin 7r
i8i13:1:11)1afi '
third
rst
d,
yearo6ro ot l :oe 0\
soVsl ..i 13
i; ".et 101 theco
347,0001. at which iio
Ex; editions began to be fittcd I.o'l ott the public IC'
count; nem, of the charges for uhich remained still
- unsettled. The great objeft of curprize, therefore'
• was, that pending a ten years' war, during which te/°
of the greatest wars that' had ever taken place in India
hattoccutred, the calculations of a Peace- E•llifiat°
' had been so little disturbed. As in the obser4alic'
that the duration of the war in Jtulie hail not ":,
ceeded three years, was the Hurt. member 01—
aware, that the cxpenc:s inCurted in fliat,titne In
the prosecution Of war 'night ,exceed 10,000,000/''
which would have the effect of delaying:
,ther i
! .1 i a of snaking good 'tie Liar tit:lo4oon tu•il)e'put)''',,',
~ 1.--bis ve;)!, not tit!: poiod for g,ting into derail., 1')"
Papers moved for by his Istohle Friend had 00‘,
• sue neeeity in 'them, not were the itc4ourtu n",';
--7 limy filmed werdy a reCArittliatiOn a all 1-‘
estimates of the' laic tvn years, on the aggregate 0,
ivliich Were would
,lie t..und 'only a tivfik!irricy
three mitlions, a circnmstative not to be perallelea,
in the financial accuente of any .country of EurpPe'
Gentlemen would not .find sty thing itew in the
',Avers, but would tint?' he was sure, refuse the 0'
sistance of the At:c,ilitts to ervible tiOtil'ici Meet 111 e
:question in all its_ complicated bearinks ; and if if_
i shgultt pot be convenient to.go' into
,tale discussion
during. the prestnt Session, at, leest ar an cart/
lierted of the next, . .
. s'• 14e. P! doubted the accuracy 1,
the',;stitethents rn4de•.by the. Noble L 3141, or P
Noble Predecessor, yet; though he concurred it'.
most of what, they . had advanced, hi felt i coo'
PNveitoliwbfldeioti,ro:rtadhs:este.34effelanioerti'd:ofrtYorT',l-)trocti:teattein them.' They 111"
• plied annually alarge sum to' the Uhl of cyminercel
he could prove that the, commerce -of India pnaseisrl"
in iteeltall the resources of which it stood in oge3
l :Thotigh, if the surplus. of the Revenue was Applied
to'the aid of Commerce, he was ready totonfiell ri'L:
It:could not .well be ipplied. in a more profit?`6
a'vvheicrhy.athiffeett:vnla
1• :,,Inti,ehr:e4;
(11,latetiv!aln'.)tna,geG%evill,tileehman then proceeded '''
1 from • ironing Loans in this Ctlrunndtirayi,a'bsilistitiCtitiiCilenti' r:
• which the Noble Lord's predecessor seemed to be'
rather tots mush inclined ; that mode efraisingLOl
had absorbed, nearly 16, millions from India, An"
interest of these 'Liat4 had accumulated to a snit
amount.; If Commerce did nor rettuire that sump 14'
-such loans would have been created ; and the Noble
Laid had this day admitted, that the Loans had been
raised for the perpoie. Of Commerce, If to IMO- Wer.!.
' added the cost of insurence, exchange, and hqvi
ktiicOunts',. the amount would be still further increasa
ed very considerably. '.'The Hon, Gentleman theo •
went into an elaborate staterrieer of the CompsoY g
Accounts, and contrasted them with those present'
td by them, to chew .that the debt- of the Coal:
pany was much greater than they made it'at'Pet.
Ile, however, did pa; inteod by thisostiVCPc V'

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excite discouragement ; .on the cniitrary, he enter.
tained, the most sanguine hopes of -its rising into
Piusperity : even now he considered our Indian Em-
pire-to he in a-most flourishing and gloriobs state.
What he endeavoured to observe on these points,
atose•from no personal motive : lie' only wished a
system to be adopted for the conduCt of India affairs,
• which past experience pointed out and recommended.
• Mr.C.GR A Nrcontended, that the Hon. Gentle.
man had very widely mi.cnnceived the suhjed of the
• statement he had made ; and c.intended, that the
India part of the trade, so far from being a losing,
tv4s 'a -gaining concern; though he would admit the
China trade was not so lucrative. He was ready,
however, to allow that, upon the average of both,
the halanCe between England and India, comparing
the amount of cargoes sent our with those returned,
was not above 300,000!.
..Dr.I.4I4PRANCE spoke at some length, to spew
the necessity ut a full discussion, and anal adjust-
. ment tlitnn the affairs of India, sshich were of such
magnitude and importance, that they would speedily
force themselves upon the considefirtion of the Corn.
4134 tee.

Lard DUNLO supported the statements, and
could have wishetithat the Hun. Gtnilernan Who un.
dertook to arraign them, had paid a little more de.
fetence to candour and to accord ,y.
After some further reciprocal explanation between
the several Speakers,
Lord CAME R t proceeded to move for the
14411t15 he had Alluded to at the outset of his Speech,
'namely t
" An Account of the Profit and Loss on the Com-
pany's account, for ten years; ending March 5804.
with the other charges paid in England ; distinguish-
ing, as tar as
Pos4ible. those of a Political from those
of a Coinmercial
Nature, and distinguishing the
China from the India 'Trade.
" Also. an Account of the Company's Dzbts and
Assets in India and it House, from April 1793 s to
April I 50f"...-Ordered.
Lord CMTL BR LAOS( then moved the next Order
.of the Illy; fur taking into consideration theitepcnt
of the Committee on India Accounts.
The Resolutions were read, and after allesultory
conversation between Mr. Parana', Lord CAMNII•
1111.sott, Mr. Jontisvorx, and Sit Tittoiht IMO
WitTe4Lits were agreed toomAdjousited..

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LONDON, JULY to, £BO4.

DT a private Lettet which tete hate Melted
from Holland we are informed, that the loss tats.
rained by the French Flotilla in the last Engage.
Ment with the British Cruizers between Flushing
and Ostend, was very considerable, although the
greatest pains are 'taken to conceal it. One of the
large Gun.boats, with 97' men on board, in corn.
ing oat of Slyckens, overact, and the whole Crew
perished; General MARMONT is becoming daily
mare unpopular, and indeed the indignation of the
people against the French is universal throughout
holland. A report has been circulated for some
days past, that BUNAPAKTE meant to appoint ..the
PRINCE of ANOE Stakitholder, but of course it
met With 'very little credit.
• General Lecoottat, Who was very much in.
tetesied 'for MoaeiSu during his Trial, and had
(''hat was considered in Fiance) the boldness to
;hake hands with him when he came nut of Court,
hping refused to take the Oaths to BoNArmure,
has received a sentence Of Banishment from France.
Admiral Bittlx and General MACDONALD,
Who also refused to take the Oaths, have shared
the same fate, It is supposed they
go
to America. The Military, .in general, through.
out France and holland, received the intel-
lgence of to elevation of MT:MARTI to the
DianktY with sullen discontent. The
Tr°'°l's in Hanover attually refused to take the
Oaths, arid would met touch
Which W4I the wine and brandy
on that ,at Prepartd fug them nin groat abundance
occasion,

THI Rd
last night, Sb ilfait doe on Sunday, arrived
Letters frunißar;stiov, bring the Verbal !helm-
-6 Dig 0;1 made by the Elcaoral Envoy of Baden,
respetlingthe to the
late violation of his telfri.
tories, in which he eXpreSSCS " a full confidence
tp the twell-iirroniaPrel umtimo nit of the Fretich
Government and its ivalted Mad, towards the
whole German Empire," and hors that the tePre-
sentatiuns made upon the suhjett tu.sy have no fur-
ther constquencca. It was to be eXpetted that the
Et t'crost of BAD would, through fear, acquiesce
in an an of tyranny which lit could not resent, but
so 4+ll a submission to the dittates of the Corsican
Tyrant.of France could scarcely be foreseen.
There is also a spiritrd and energetic Note de-
livered to the Diet on behalf of HI3 BRITANNIC
M4issry, relative to the unprincirled occultation
of Hanover by French "froolis ; but after the speei-
hien Hanover
have just noticed, .)1 German Spirit, it can
h4rdly he imagined that dlis Note will excite any
*ll,4tion of resentment avainst Frenelt,TrannY•

The Austrian Government is stated to have for.
bidden cootiads to be made by the English at Ve-
nice, for provis►ons.

The successor of present Port, who proposes
to resign his dignities, will, it is said, crown the
French Emperor at Rome KiNg of Lombardy, or, as
others say, King of Italy.
A report, coming through the medium of a private
stems from Berlin, antes, that the French Minister
there had delivered a Note to the Prussian Court,
demanding, a passage for an Army through the Pius.
.sian Territories, to invade the Russian Empire, in
case of a rupture between France and Russia.
It is also said, that the French have made a con.
'actable advance of Troops towards Oldenburgh,
and have taken possession of several additional Posts.

Thursday evening His MAJESTY, accompanied
by Genet.ili CARTW RIGHT, FiTzeov, and the Hon.
Mr.VILLIAIS, rode on horseback in the neighbour.
hood of Richmond. HER MAJESTY and the ERIN.
etfaEs (allowed in three open carriages.
Yesterday morning, Tam MAJEsTIRS and the
PRINCESSIto ELIZABETH, MARY, and SOPHIA,
arrived at the Queen's Home, from Kew.
About two o'clock Fits MAJESTY gave an au.
dience to Lord Lev non Gowett, when his Lordship
had the honour to kiss His MAJESTY'S hand, on
his being appointed Ambassador to the Court of.
Russia, in the roam of Sir J. BoRLAsE WARitiN,
At half past two o'clock, His MAJESTY held a:
Privy Council, when Lord LEvesoreGowtt was in.
troduced, and sworn in one of His MAJ EsTY's most
Honourable Privy Council, and took his teat at the
Board accordingly ; after which Fits MAJESTY held
another. Privy Council far the purpose of receiving
the RECORDER'S report of the convicts who received
sentence of death'at the last Old Bliley Sessions ;
viz. Joseph jaeisolt, jab,: Palmer, and lhomai
&then, for forgery ;
_lob,: Lewis, for privately
Stealing ; "ohs Needs and Tbflll3l Dorset, for burg.
lay ; este only eleven years of age, for stealing a
sl. note ; and Thema; Rag, for a highway rob-
bery ; when Joseph jachan and Thomas BuCkaell
were ordered for execution on Wednesday next.—
The others were revited during His MAJ ESTY'S
pleasure.
There were present at the Council, the Duke of
Monaco*, the LORI) CHANCELLOR, Marquis of
Heil-ton , Earls CAMDEN and CHATHAM, Vis.
count ?VIELSPULE, Lords HARROWAY, HAWKEt.
BURY, MuLORAVE, GOWIIL, and Mr. PITT.
Atter the Council, His MAJESTY gave private
audiences to the Lotto CHANCELLOR, Mr. PITT,
and the Earl of CHATHAM.
Lord ANHERsT was the Lord in Waiting.
Soon after four o'clock the ROYAL FAMILY re.
turned to Kew.

Yesterday morning the PRINCEIS SOPHIA of
GvaticesTea visited the QUEEN and Paircessas,
at the Queen's House, and remained with them from
eleven o'clock till four.
His Royitl Highness the PRINCE of WALES, on
Mr. Cite es's being made Chief Justice of Chester,
has appointed Mr. ADAM to be his Attorney. Gene.
ral, and Mr. JEKYLL to succeed the vacant office of
Solicitor. General. The latter Gentleman will, of
course, have the rank of King's Counsel.
Yesterday a Common Hall was held at Guildhall,
for •the purpose ~leleqing a proper person to serve
the office of Sheriff for the year ensuing, in the room
'of THbraAs PARRY, Esq. (who has paid his fine),
when the choice of the Livery fell upon CHARLES
Cotes, Esq. Citizen and Stationer. As soon as the
choice was confirmed by the Court of Aldermen,
Mr. CoLts retired, and paid 6001. and 10 marks
into the Chamberlain's Office, the sum necessary to
excuse him from serving the office. The LORD
MAYOR being made acquainted with the circum.
stance, ortiaeti a Common Hall to be held this day,
to sled a Gentleman in the room of Mr. Cowls.
Mr. Cox, the Colonel of the Bloomsbury and
Inns of Court Volunteers, vas on Wednesday sworn
in a Master of Chancery, in the room of the late
PETER HOLFORD, 1 9q.
A superb Equestrian Statue of His Royal Highness
the filmset of WALES, in bronze, is in content.
illation for the centre of the Steyne, at Brighton.
The Statue is to be raised upon a rock ; the horse
to be represented as in full speed, anti trampling
the emblems of Envy and Malice beneath his feet.
Letters were received in To.wn yesterday, by the
Hamburg's Mails, dated Bremen, July 2, which
mention that the French had taken possession of the
River lande, in order to prevent all vessels having
English goods on board, from proceeding up that
River. We, however, have seen letters from thence,
dated the 6th inn. which snake no mention of the
above circumstance.
Intelligence was yesterday received by the ton.,
dun Missionary Society, from the Missionaries at'
Otaheite, brought by a vessel named the Dart,
which is arrived in the River. Poor POMARRA,
the King, is dead! While the Dart lay at the
Island, he was on a visit, in a canoe, to the ship,
when, on arriving alongside the vessel, he was sod.
denly seized with a fit of apoplexy, which . obliged
his people to return with him to the Moral, where
he speedily expired.
Sot et Dt .—A Letter from Cheltenham, tilted the

- - - -
1St!) inst. says, " Capt. S-, of the Royal Navy,
Wit this place yesterday about three o'clock, and
drove to Gloucester in his own curricle. Some of
his friends who met hint on the road, were rather
surptized at his impetuous manner of driving, as he
Was in the habit of sparing his horses. At five he
arrived at the Bell Inn, in Gloucester, ordered dinner
to be reatly at six o'clock, and went out. The un.
fortunate man purchased a case of, razors, walked
down a beggarly mean street by the water-side, took
off' his clothes, which he scattered about, and with
two razors cut his throat in both direCtions. A poor
blacksmith hearing a dreadful groan went out of his
forge to see what was the matter, but not time
enough to save him from falling on his face to the
ground, where he immediately expired. No positive
ieason is assigned fur this rash aft. However, it is
supposed, that it has been committed in consequence
of an attachment which did not meet with a return.
He was a man of a handsome property, and bort a
MCA rearcelable charailer.