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WEDNESDAY

APRIL 28, 1858

of this bill was to introduce an uniform system of
weights and measures throughout the country. Thi-r
principle had been infringed by the decisions of thy
courts of law, urrier which the act in question had been
interpreted.
After Mr. MTANN, Mr. BASS, and one or two other
members had expressed approval of the bill, leave was
given to introduce it.

CHURCH RATES.
Mr. PULLER moved that this house will, to-morrow,
resolve it,elt into a committee, for the purpose of con-
sidering the expediency of proviling for the repair of
churches and the maintenance of churchyards, by sub-
stituting for church rates such an annual rent charge
upon al hereditarnents in respect i,f which church rater
may now bo lawfully assessed upon the occupiers thereof,
as will most fairly represen' the total annual amount
now raised by church rates; such rent charge to be a fixe-
and n if rrn poundage on the rateable value of such
hereditarnents, and to be made a charge on the owners
of the same ; the proceeds of inch rent charge in each
diocese to form a central fund from which grants may
be made towards the repair of churches and the main-
tenance of churchyards, and to be administered by a
body of per-ions elected for that purpose. He contender*,
at some length, that the subject was one for reasonable
compromise. Ir, was the form in which the rate was
levied of which the Dissenters had to complain, and that
form he proposed to alter.
Mr. WIGRA.NI seconded the motion.

Mr. Bux.roN moved as an amendment that it was
desirable that power should be given to make addition
to tithes for the maintenance of churches, and that
power should be given to churchwardens to place rentals
on the pews.
General THOMPSON seconded the motion.

Sir J. TRELAWNY opposed the motion, as turning
a contingent tax into a certain tax. The distribution of
the central fund would lead to endless dispute.
Mr. LYGON thought that Dissenters ought to be
exempted from the tax.
Sir G. C. LEWIS wished to state shortly why he coeid
neither support the motion nor the amendment. (Hear.)
He Lad an objection to the motion because it proposed
a now universal and compulsory charge on the real pro-
perty of the country for the support of the church. The
hon. gentleman asked the house to make it compulsory
and universal, and not only that, but he proposed to
take away its parechial character, and to give ita diocesan
one. (Hear.) Tue resolution of the hon. member for New-
port was also a proposition for adding a charge on the
real property cf the country. As the amendment stood
at present, he apprehended that it could not be put
according to the rules of the house; but apart from
that, he could not agree to a proposition for making ae
addition to the tithes without knowing something more
as to its object. He thought they had to choose be-
tween the entire abolition of church rates or some modi
fled ferrn of them. (Rear.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE rose amidst lend cries for a
division. It appeared to him that many members
were anxious to consider the proposition of the
hen. member for Hertfordshire. He did nut believe
the house would reflect the feeling of the country if they
did not take into consideration a proposition 'for sup•
porting the fabric of the church out of the real pro-
perty of the country. Ho thought that each parish
should be allowed to exercise a control over the rates
which were levied, and with that modification he
thought the proposition of the hon. member for Hert-
fordshire would be acceptable to many members on his
side. 'mere were some members on the opposite side
who wished to see church-rates altogether abolished as
a steppingstone to the die establishment of the church,
but he was sure that there were many others who haft
no such intention, and he hoped they would support the
motion cf the hon. member f Hertfordshire.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he had already declared
that he thought the proposition of the hon. member
for Hertfordshire fair matter for consideration. He
had examined his proposition since then, and felt
bound to say that, the two objections urged by les right
hon. friend seemed to be soiled objecti-ne. (Hear,
hear.) He thought it objectionable to impose a ;ten,
charge upon property which had been for a long tine
exempted from the payment of church rates. He ale,
considered it objectionable to place the control of the
rate in the hands of a bedy in each diocese. As lorg
as the charge existed,it ought to be a parochial one. (Hear,
hear ) With regard to the subject itself, he had only to
ray that he could not understand how they could have
a national church establishment without some pro-
vhsion for the repair of places of wore-hip, (Hear, bear )
It did not seem to him to be reasonable to say chat they
would have a provision for the payment of the ministers
but none for the maintenance of the churches. (Rear,
hear.) However, seeing the conte-ts and ill-feeling to
which church rates gave rise, he was willing to li-ten to
any proposition of a reasonable substitute. (Hear.) He
felt great objection to the proposition of the right hon.
gentleman, but he would assent to it rather than leave
the question a matter of strife. He should feel obliged
to vote again t the proposition for the absolute abolition
of church rates. (Hear, hear.) He should also vote
against the proposition of the hon. member for Hert•
fordshire.
Mr. WALPOLE thought that the Lion, member for
Hertfordshire had clearly shown that the absolute abo-
tion of church rates was only a mode of putting into the
pockets of the landlords a large sum that did not belong
to them. (Hear.) He adopted that view of the ques-
tion, but at the same he thought the objections urged by
the right hon. gentleman (Sir G. O. Lewis) were en n
swerable. He would suggest to the right horn gentle-
man that he should bring forward the substitute he pro-
posed when sitting on the ministerial side of the house
er)—in pert of which, he (Mr. Walpole) agreed,
and from part of which he dissented. He dissented from
that part of the plan which proposed that they ehould
abolish church rates, because they were not now levied
in certain places. He thougnt it weuid be a premium
on agitation if they were to say that church rates were
not levied in future where they were refused. But he
so far aereed in the justice of that part of the plan which
said that an opportunity should be afforded, notwith-
standing the Mortmain law, of making voluntary provi-
sion for the repair of the church fabric, that he regretted
the proposition bad ever come before the house. He
saw no objection against allowing persons who had con-
scientious objections to the payment of church rates to
escane from the payment of them, such persons, at the
same time, giving up their claim to the privileges which
belonged to churchmen. (" Ii ar, hear," and "No,
no.") Meantime, however, he could only say that he
should oppose, with regret, the motion for going into
committee of the whole house.
Mr. ROEBUCK was not surprised at the proposition
of the right hon. gentleman that his side of the house
should aid the government in their functions and get
them out of their difficulty. (Hear.) It the right hon.
gentleman felt so strongly on the matter, and thought
that the bill which passed the second reading was so
detrimental, why did he not, in his character of a
minister of the crown—(cheers)—come forward with a
proposition agreeable to his own feelings, and in accord-
ance with the principles he advocated. (Hear.) From
this the right hon. gentleman shrunk, seed called upon
his ride of the house to perform the duty. He (Mr.
Roebuck) wee one of those persons who were not at all
incle ett to .'o the duty of any one. The second reading
of the bill for the abolition of church rates had passed
the house, and he felt strongly inclined to think that the
question would be settled that session. But they would
listen to no compromise. (Hear.) One half of the
parishioners throughout the country had refused to pay
church rats-s, and yet the house was now asked to realse
them a permanent rent charge on the country. If the
question was to be argued as a political-economical ques-
tion, he should be quite prepared to discuss it at a time
when it could be fully argued.
Mr. WIGWAM ,xpreseed a hope that the hon. mem-
ber fir Herefordshire would take the opinion of the
house on the resolution which he hail proposed. By
the c ,mmon law of this cenntry the obligation existed
on parishes of maintaining the fabric of the church, and
the principle of the rnolution was nothing more than
the substitution in the plac3 of that common law oblige-
tier, of an annual rent charge.
Mr. BUXTON having withdrawn his amendment.

Mr. PULLER briefly replied, stating that he would
not give the house the trouble of dividing. (Loud cries
of Oh, oh, and No, no.)
On the qu9stion that the motion be withdrawn there
were loud cries of No, no, and the SPEAKER declared
that the " noes ' had it.

The hrtt,e then divided. The numbers were :
For the motion
Against it
Mr. AYRTON, understanding that Mr. Lygon meant
to move for leave to introduce a bill on church rates,
moved the adjournment of the house.
After a c,inversation,
Sir G. C. LEWIS suggested that as several orders of
tin day stood on the paper, the motion fur adjourn,
merit ought not to be pressed.
Mr. WALPOLE said if they now took a division for
the adjournment it was evident when they came back
there would be other divisions, and it would be impos-
sible f,,r the hon. member to get to his motion to-night
Mr. LYGON said he would postpone his motion unf
to-morrow Chili day).
THE POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL.

Tbi3 bill was read a second time.
CHELSEA HOSPITAL (PURCHASE OF LANDS'

BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
EXCISE DUTIES BILL.
This bill pa,sed through corn f,ittee.
CUSTOMS DUTIES, NO. 2, BILL.

Thi4 b►ll passed through committee.
Mr. LOCKS KING'S bill for the ext-nsion of the county
franctise was brought in and read a first time, and
ordered to be read a second time on the llth of May.
The house then adjourned at five minutes to one.

PAIRS ON THE ADNIIS'AION OF JEWS INTO
PARLIAMENT.

Against For
Ifarewood, Earl Cllfden, V,set.
Erne, Earl De Freyne, Ld.
Galloway, Earl 'Vivian, Lnrd
Rosslyn, Earl I', rtsmoulh,Erl.
Manvers, Earl I;oxburrrhe, i,k.
Clanearty, Earl but de Vala-
hide, Lord
Bayniae, Lord Lothian, Marco.
St. John, Lord Bedford, Duke
Orford, Earl Mon-on, Lord

Against For
Man:l ?ld, Earl Kinnaird, Lord
rimdiet, Lord Gra iard, earl
Aylesford, Earl Pannaure, Lord
De',mere Lord Leinster, Duke
Eglinton, Earl Conyngliam,
Marquis
IJrrsey, Earl Clare, Earl
Ildlengall, Earl Itoseherry, Earl
,Itichull,nd, Duke Doueginl, Marq.
Methuen, Lord Broughton. Lord

Maynard, Vint. Yarborough, Erl. Lon ford, Earl Exmouill, Viset.
Lincoin, Bishop London, Bishop IStrathallan, Vise Carrington, Lord
S bury, Bish n. Ailesbury, Marg. Westmeath,Mar Aberdeen, Earl
Clanwilliam,Erl. Shelburne, Earl Vane, Elul Ravensworth,Ld
Gray, Lord Poltimore, Lord Winchester, Mar Calllperdown,
Drogheda, Mrqs.lVliarnelitllt, Ld. Earl
atradbroxe, Earl Radnor, Earl Ails 1, Marquis Carew, Lord
Poulett, Earl Devon, Earl A.largavearlYr Blantyre, Lord
Kilmaine, Lord Morley, Earl Eatl
u aeclestield. Erl Leigh, Lord I Forrester, "Lord k lkl.md, Viset.
Middleton, Lord Willoughby de Twe da:e.2Marq. auner,s, Lord
Eresby, Lord Catiter..iury,Vise Enfield, Visa.
GuildfOrd, garl Stratford, Earl

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-APRIL 27.
CHURCHES AND CHURCHYARDS.

lotion made, and question proposed, " That this house
will, to-morrow, resolve itself into a committee, for the
purpose of considering the expediency of providing for
the repair of Churches and the maintenance of Church-
yards, by substituting for Church Rates such an annual
rent charge upon all hereditarsents in respect of which
Church Rates may now be lawfully assessed upon the
occupiers thereof, as will most fair y represent the total
annual amount now raised by Church Rates. The house
divided—Ayes 51, Noes 17.

AYES-54.
flaring, T. Goddard, A. Robertson, P.
tat.iurst. A. A. lleathcoate, Sir W. Rolt, J.
Bennet, Capt. P. L'ollof d, R. Rust, James
fentinck, Cr, Ingestrs, Viscount Sandon, Viscount
flovill, W. . Knatchball, W. Scott, F.
Irani ley- Nfoore, J. King litley, it. Scott, Majer
,Irghley, Lorl Langton, W. G. Shirley, E. .
;arnac, Sir J. R. Lygon, lion. F. Stanhope, J.
ecil, Lord .R. Mainwaring, T. Steuart, A.
Cobbold, J. C March, Earl of Toilsmache J.
Deedes, William Maxwell, J. Trefusis, C.
oobbs, W. C. Miller, Taverner Vansittart, W.
Du Cane, C. Miller, tearne Wigram, Loftus T.
)u Pre, C. Newdegate, C. Wyndham, H.
Egerton, Sir P. Parke, C. Wynn, Col.
Emlyn, Viscount Pakenham, Colonel Yorke, E.
r'arnham, E. Pennant, Col. E. TELLETLEI.
Fellowes, E. Philipps, J. Puller, Christopher
Gard, It.. Repton, G. Spooner, R.

NOES-317.
Adair, 11. Foljambe, Francis Naas, Lord
Adderley, C. B. Fordo, Colonel Napier, Sir C.
A:fir-Ellis, Hon. L. G. Forester, Col. Newport, Viscount
,gnew, Sir A. Forster, Charles Nicoll, D.
A kroyu, E. Foster, IV. U. Nisbet, R. P.
Alexander, J. k ortescue Hon. F. Noel, G.
Antrobus, E. Freestun;Colonel Norris, J. T.
.shley; Lord Gailwey, Sir IY. North, Col. J.
ttherton, W. Galway, Viscount North, F.
,yr ton, A. Garnett, William O'Brien, P.
It agwell, John , Gaskell, J. Ogilvy, Sir J.
itailey, C. Glyn, (a. . Osborne, R.
Baines, Rt. Hon. M. Glyn, G. Paget, C.
Bail, E Goderich, Viscount Pakington, Sir J.
airing, Sir F. Greaves, E. Palmer, R.
:taring, T. G. Greene, John Pechell, Sir G.
'arnard, Thomas Greenwood, John Peel, Sir R.
Bass, M. G. eer, Samuel Peel, Gen.
Beach, W. Gregory, W. Perry, Sir E.
Beale, S. Gray, Captain Philips, R.
Beecrolt, G. Grogan. Edward Pilkington, J.
Berkeley, F. Grosvenor, Earl Pinney, Col.
Biddulph, Col. R. M. Gurdon, Brampton Portman, W.
inges, Joins Gurney , Samuel Powell, Francis
Black, Adam Hadfield, George Power, N.
illackbarii, Peter Hall, Sir Benjamin Price, IV.
Bolder°, Col. H. G. Hamilton, Lord Claud Proby, G.
LI inhani-Carter, J. Hamilton, G. A. Pugh, D.
Brady, J. HanOury, , Robert Ramsay, Sir A.
Brand, lion. H. Handley, 11. Rawlinson, Sir H.
Bridges, Sir B. Hankey, T. Rebow, J.
Jrocklehurst, J. Hanmer, Sir John Ricardo, 0.
Bruce, H. A. Hardeast,e, Joseph Richardson, J.
Bruen, H. Hardy, G. Ridley, George
.tuchtnan, Walter Harris, J. D. Robartes, T.
it u.ler, J. W. li irtington, Marquis Roebuck, J. A.
Bury, Viscount Hassard, Michael Roupell, W.
Butler, C. S. Hatchet', John Russell, Lord J.
Buxton, C. Hay ter, W. Russell, H.
Buxto i, Sir E. N. Ileadiarn, T. Russell, A.
Byng,, G. ii. C. Henley, J. Salisbury, Enoch
Cairns, 11. Hill, Hon. R. Schneider, Henry
lalcutt, M. Hodgson, K. Scholefield, W.
Campbell, It. Hodgson William Seymer, H.
Cardwell, E Hope, Alexander Seymour, Danby
Cartwright, H. Hornoy, W. Shaft°, R.
, Cavendish, W. Horsfall, T. Shelley, Sir J.
Charles worth, J. C.D. Hudson, G. Sibthorp, Major
Cheethain, John Hunt, G. W. Smith, J. B.
Cholineley, Sir M. Hutt, W. Smith, M.
Christy, Samuel Ingham, R. Smith, V. •
Churchill, Lord A. Inglis, John Smith, A.
Clai k, J. Ingram, H. Smith, Sir F.
Clifford, C. C. Jackson, W. Smollett, A.
„lillord, Lt. Col. H. M. Jerre's°, Sir J. Somerset, Colonel
CANT, George Johnstone, H. B. Somerville, Sir W.
Clive, R. Johnstone, Sir J. Stafford, Marquis
Close, M. Jolhlfe, Sir W. Stanley, Lord
Cogan, W. H. F. Jolliffe, Li. Stapleton, John
Cole, H. A. Kendall, N. Steel, John
..,oliier, R. P. Kerrison, Sir E. Stewart, Sir M.
Collins, T. Kershaw, J. Stuart, Colonel
Cony ngham, Lord F. King, L, Sturt, H.
Corry, 11. T. L. King, J. Sturt, C.
Cowan, C. Kinglake, A. Talbot, C.
Cox, W. Kingiake, J. Taylor, Colonel
Craufurd, E. H. J. Kingscote, Capt. R. Taylor, S.
Crawford, H. Vi r . Kiunaird, A. Tempest, Lord A. V.
Crook, J. Knatchbull-Huguessen Thompson, General
Cross, R. A. Knight, F. Thornely, T.
Crossley, F. Knox, Col. B. W. Thornhill, W.
Curzon, Viscount Laslett, W. Tite, W.
Dalglish, R. Lennox, Lord H. G. Tomline, G.
IJavey, R. Levinge, Sir it. Tottenliam, C.
Davie, Sir H. R. F. Lewis, Sir G. C. Truman, C.
Davison, R. Liddell, U. G. Turner, J. A.
Deasy, R. Lindsay, W. Verner, Sir W.
Denison, W. H. Lisburne, Earl Vivian, H. H.
Dent, John Locke, J. Waddington, H.
Dill wyn, L. L. Locke, John Walpole, S.
Disraeli, B. . Lovaine, Lord Warren, S.
Divett, E. Lowe, R. Weguelin, T.
shod, J. • Lyall, seorge Weiby, W.
Duff, M. Macarthy, Alex. Western, S.
Duke, Sir J. M.,e'uiney, George Westhead, Joshua
'unbar, Sir W. 31`Cann, J. Whatman, J.
Duncombe, A. Mackie, J. Whitbread, S.
Dunkellm, Lord M'Clintock, John White, James
Dunne. M. Maguire, J. F. Whiteside, J.
Duttoa, Hon. R. H. Mangles, It. D. Whitmore, H.
Ehrington, Viscount Mangles, C. Wickham, H.
Edwards, Henry Manners, Lord J. Williams, W.
Egerton, Law. C Marjoribanks, D. Willyams, E.
Ellice, E. Marsh, M. Wilson, A.
Ellice, E. Martin, C. Wilson, J.
Eiphinstone, Sir J. Martin, P. Wingfield, R.
Elton, Sir A. 11. Martin, J. Winnington, Sir T.
Esmonde, J. Massey, W. Wood, W.
Batcourt, T. Meigund, Lord Woods, Henry
waits, T. W. Metier, John Wortley, Major
Ewart, W. Miles, W. Wyndham, General
Ewart, J. Mills, T. Wynne, W.
E"ing, Crum Moffat, G. . Young, A.
Fagan, W. Monereiff, J.
Fitzgerald, T. Montgomery, Sir G.
Fitzroy, Henry Morris, D.
Foley, IL W. Mowbray, J. R.

TELLERS.
Trelawny, Sir J.
Gilpin, C.

Country Markets,

[AVE ItPOO 6, APRIL 27.

The arrivals have been fair this week of Indian corn,
flour, and wheat, and of the two latter the greater pro-
portion is from France. The corn trade has been marked
by inactivity during the week, millers and bakers having
supplied themselves sparingly with wheat and flour. This
inaction may in some degree be attributed to a change to
nice spring weather, genial and fructifying rains, giving
freshness to garden, field, and grove. Though the cheap-
ness of money induces importers to hold their stocks ra-
ther than submit to loss, there is no •observable tendency
to speculate by other parties. A small business was the
general result to-day. Thera was but an ordinary attend-
ance at our market this morning, with a steady sale for
both wheat and flour. The only alterations were id per
bushel advance on best Irish oats, and 6d per qr decline on
white Indian corn. Full prices were exacted for barley,
beans, peas, and oatmeal.