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wear wove of the first crater Of this wealthy.
Nation to be obscured any longer in the shade of
private life, where he - hid existed too long, but
which he,hoped would 1,,e shortly dissipated by the
sun-shine. of- their atbet alit v and servos', The
Committee he meant. to propose to the' HOuse ,was
not without precedent, such a Conunittee had been
appinted- in the year 1795, which examioad into
"the`' Prince's affairs, and ina,ae a necessary liquicLa.
.tion for his Debts, -aril therefore- he Thought it
but right altar sense Measure should be itmororately
adopted to add an additional lustre to the aviation
of His Royal 'Highness the Prince of Wales:a.-
He said,, he- bad little more to observe on this iin.'
portant question." He thoeght the House Must. see
the necessity of making a proper provision for the
support of this august Personage the Prince of *ales,
he therefore should not go any further into the
question ; and if' the House could not'establish the
objet of his wish, it must end. The reason he had
for bringing the question before the House, arose
from the atoritty which every Member evinced for
the dignity of every Branch of the Royal .ilouse.—
'This, and the
.Country being in a state of Peace,
And es ety, thing related to the kingdom in a stare
of prosperity. aid welfare, it was the wish of', the
Nation at laree.to see the Prince of Waleslive amid
a loving people, the prints. and glory of his Coun-
try. 'lf he had therefore misinterpreted His Ma.
PstY's Message, it was riot his intention so to du.
He therefore begged leave to mote, '' That this
House, anxiously desirous to give'foll erre& to the.
irepentara objcci recommended to their consi.
deration by His Majesty's most Gracious Mess
sage, will 'appoint a Sided Committee, to in.-
quite and: tredve information respeffing the
'extern of those Claims opt the justice and ho--
nour of the Prince of Wales,- which, accord.
ing to Official conorion4-ottion made to this House,.
impede his Royal a to fulfil hlis Majesty's
most gracious intention, that he should resume that
state and dignity which is becoming theoHeir Ap-
parent to the 13riii,11 Empire."
The IVlSation being put, and seconded by 'Sir
WM. G.EARY,
Mr. h RSKINE sAiti,. he was well informed before
he came into the, House, on the night the 'Hon.
Glostlemao (Mr. CALCIt AV?) gave his notice of the
present 1001100, by one of the Prince's Servants who
brought toot he Message, that His Royal Highness
the Pripet of Wales had expressed his utmost satin.,
faelien and pleasure with the vote of the House, and
that he had not authorised any Member, or any
Gentleman, in any situation whatever, to address
the House to the circa of the present Motion. He
observed, His Royal Highness bad taken no interest
in his affairs, bin entirely left them to the wisdom,
of Parliament, who had sheen their esteem and'
partiatity to His Royal Highness, by that concern
and attention they had manifested to his welfare
and the increase of his comforts. He, therefore,
had only to assure the House, before he spoke on.
the merits of the question, that the Ptince was not
privy to the bringing forward the present Motion.
It might be supposed- that if he should at all ac.
cord with the OVUM of .the• Motion, and should
consider it an ad of Justice due from the House
to His Royal Highness, Gentlemen, might suppose
hits partiality arose from the situation he has the
honour .to hold, -as Citancellor to this august Per.
sontige, and therefore he was induced to become the
at:vacate of the present Motion ; but he could as-
sure the House that he had to support a Charatter
of far more importance, namely,; to represent his
Constituents with fidelity and honour. With re_
sped to His Majesty's Message, he, was of the same'
mind with the Hoe. mover of the resent Motion,
that it was with Parliament to determine as to the
Income they were 'inclined to allow his Royal
Highness, His Majesty tad not specified any par.
tieolat sum that the Prince of Wales was in want
a.--
oindeed -it was impossible for His Majesty to
ask for -a-specific sum. The King had displayed that
moderation which had ever charaaerized him. It
certainly does appear that the Message leaves the
Income to the wisdom of Parliament; the question
now remains, whether the House feel inclined, in
its wisdom, to grant His Royal Highness such an
Income as will enable- him to shine in his proper
and elevated sphere, as .well as give him the means,
to discharge his jest. and honourable Debts, which
was the particular wish of the Prince. to get rid of,
and God forbid the King or any part of the'Royal
Family should do a dishonourable aelion—a family
whoSe virtues and wisdom are, acknowledged by all
ranks of Society, and he was sure their name and
perfe&ions would he handed down to Posterity, as an,
example to future Monarchs—that the happiness of a
People will be ensured, as,long as they can imitate
the virtues cif George 111. and his illustrious Son.
Mf. ERSKINE said, he did not consider the Hon.
Gentleman's proposition as improper.. If it had
been the request of a Message from, the Prince of,
Wales, it would have been very indecent ; but
coming from anodic., Individual, it is by no means
improper.o:The people will, no doubt, he happy to
shew theioattachment to every branch of the Royal
Family, and manifest their desire
.to see the Prince
teacarts. his wonted dignity, The present Motion
might be-considered as conveying PHs Majesty
the following langoage We desire to amend
your Majesty's Message, and to 'give more than
your Majesty has been pleased to ask Tut your Royal
Son." The House, no doubt, would then give an
ample Sum to raise the Pribee to his former splen-
,d6r.' If the CHANCFLLOIt of the Estes/Noel. had
matte this application to the. House, it might have
.been opposed ; but he was sure, as the Motion
came from the. Huh, Gentleman (MT. CALCRAFT),
who was supposed to'express the wish of the mak).
'tiny of the Ilouse, and the Country at large, uncon.;
mcted with Goverement, every individual 'would
aptefore subscribe to He begged ,again to re.
reit, that he had the authority of the Prince of
Wales for saying, that he was perfeifily satisfi-
ed with the grant already givers him by the
House. fie had often said, that the Prince's

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claim would not produce a specific stun out of
the Dutchy of Cornw,lll. There was a stun
of five hundred and seventy,five thousand pounds
out of the Property before.inentioned, for the sup.
port of a Prince uf Wales, but not for this Prince ot
.or that Prince of Wales, but the Heir Ap.

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for the present, his just Clain', yet every Likwyer,
conceived was it property belonging to Ili= •
Mr. FULLER - said; he -felt groat pleasure in,
giving the.. Motion now before the House .his, must
strenuous.support, because-the objea: Of it svas,. 417
least so he co.lsidered it, tip .rieice the Prince .of
Wales in a situation of dignity . and ,splendor,. in
which the wisdom of our Ancestors-,thought that
the Heir Apparent of the Crown ooght• to be
placed. • The immediate -tendency of this Motion
was only for the purpose of. inquiring into the real
circumstances Avida preveeted the Prince from re.
suming his dignity ; and he wa's at a loss to conceive,-
how any possible objedinri Could sbe Made to it.-H
On the part of :1 is Royal Highness, he ,was sure
.there could be no objeetion to submit to the consi.
'aeration of the House all the necessary statements,
'and nothing could be more virtuous and, honourable
than such condo& There ere some circtimstances..
conneaed with the former- Debts of the Prince of
Wales, which must necessarily give him great un.
easiness. He would only mention the case of a
v,ery respedale tradesman, the late Mr. 'Leader,
who was coachinaker to Ilk Royal Highness. When
his accounts were under examination before the Corit..
missioners appointed. to settle the Prince's affair's,
they asked him some questions respeding the amount:
of his charges; and he proved, in the.most Amis.
faelory manner, the fairness of them, by producing
the prime cost of all the articles ; and yet, after
this, to per. cent. was taker; ofF his.•bill. He was
sure if it bad gone into a Court of Justice, a jury
would have awarded him the full sum. lie would
therefore support the Motion, because it. would re. •
store to his natural dignity, one of the most ele.
gant-minded, most manly, and most, accomplished
Princes in Europe.
Mr. CZ4RTIKRICaIi said, it appeared to him,:
both from His Majesty's Message, and from the
communications which had been made to that House
froth the Prince of Wales, that sonic Committee of
this kind should be appointed to examine into the.
subject. But, in voting for: the Committee, he,,
begged by no means- 10 be understood as pledging
himself to support any propositions that might be
made to it. With respect to what had been said
of the necessity of the Prince -of Wales resuming
his dignity; he was Very .certain that His Royal
Higiliness would lose no part of the public esteem
which he possessed, by continuing that system of
eccinomy which he had practised so long, if it was
necessary for the isityment of his debt's. .
Sir ROBERT BUXTON' said, it was by no
means necessary for the Gentlemen on the other
side of the House to have declared that the Prince
of Wales was unacquainted with this Motion, be-
cause, from what had fallen upon a former occasion
from His Majesty's Solicitor-Genera!, the House
had been given to understand, that 'His Royal
Highness was perfedly contented with the proposi-
tion which had been made by His Majesty's Mini-
sters., His Majesty, with .that :kindness which al-
ways distinguished had expressed a wish that
the Income of -the .Prince.of Wales should he in.
creased, and the Prince, feeling gratitude for the.
proposition which had been Made in consequerice of
His Majesty's Message, had expressed himself per,
fedly contented with that proposition;. and, in
doing so, His Royal Highness had, in his opinion,.
done hinhelt great credit.; lint however high his
sentiments for the Prince might be, yet, feeling as.
he did for the situation of the Country, it became .
him to speak his sentiments in, that House; as one of
the Representatives of the People of England: It
was true the COuntry was no longer involved
in a state of. War, but he wished to ask, whe,
titer we were much better in our Financial Sys.
tem 1•. Whether any of -the Taxes which were

laid on during the War had been taken off? It
was true indeed that the Income Tan had been
taken otf, but the House would recolleet it had
been replaced by other Taxes of an equal amount ;
such as the Assessed Taxes, and otherS, which fell
very heavily on the people. He did not mean to
say thing against these Taxes, because he was con,
vinced Of their necessity ; but he merely urged it
to shew, that in a financial point of view-the Coun.
try was not in a better state now than it was dur-
ing.the War ; at least, that no additional burthens,
unless absolutely necessary, should be bid upon the
Feoples When they saw a neighbouring Country
,with goo,Ooostnen ready to,pour in upon'us, the
momeot they might conceive themselVes insulted,
it surely was not a time unnecessarily to lay any
new burthens on the 'People: • Nobody wished more
than he did that the proper dignity and splendor of
the Royal Family should be kept up, but he was
sure that Princes could never 'do themselves- more

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credit than when they waved useless expences, and
lived in the private way which His Royal Highness
bait dqne, to enable him to diScharge his debts.—
Considering the subject in this point of view, and
at the same time feeling the highest resped fin the
Prince of Wales, he should move the Previous
Question.

Mr. CURWEN said, he would certainly vote
for the previous question. He wished that Geode.
men would have stated at once the sum which,thu
conceived necessary to discharge the Prince of
Wales's incumlirances ; but at present to go into a
Committee might raise hopes, which upon examina.
tton the _House might not be inclined to rsalize.
Mr. HILLY ARD said he should support the
Motion for going into ayommiitee.
Mr. jOHNSTONE said that the original Mo.
tion Mitch had been made, appeared to him nt so
mischievouva tendency, that he would give is his
most decided disapprobation. He begged leave to,
preface the few observations he had to make, by
dectaring, he yielded to'no Gentleman in that house

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in esteem for His Royal Highness, or in admira-
tion of his good qualities, and he did 'not, doubt,,
that when he should he called upon to fill the
Throne of this Country, he would imitate the ex.

cellcht example that had been set him. But in a

question of this kind, it would be improper for.him
to follow the dktates of" his feelings he must be
',guided by a sense of his duty to his C..msti'tuents.
When he considered that the people of this Country
were burthened with 40 millions of Taxes, -that its
int:Woe did ngt equal its expenditure, %t:heu a great
and arduous contest was evidently preparing fur: us,
in whict) our national existence would evidently be

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.any. eens on the people. - He expeded
that:Gentlemen-would have shewn to the House,
es ateleest have attempted to do it, that the Country
was rruw iii dmuch better situation than it was in the
year retee; and consequently better able to grant the
matey. No such attempt had been made, nor, if it had
been made, Would it have been successful. If at that
,period Parliament was right in the decision which it
came to respecting the Prince of Wales's affairs, he
wanted to'knoW what circumstances had occurred
since, which ought to- induce the House to depart
from the system then adopted,:end to take a newline
of conduds? 'With respell to the questionahout the
Revenue.of the Dutchy of. Cornwall; he would not
enter into it at present : he was sorry the question
of the Prince's right had not been decided in a legal
manner, but he believed there was good reason why
that claim was:pot pursued, because there was very
little reason to suppose it would answer the purpose.
The amount of the Revenue of rite Dutchy of Corn-
wall, which had been received during the Prince's
minority, amounted to 234,0001. the expenditure
out of the Civil List amounted to 239,0001, so that
even admitting the Question 9f Right to be_ in the,
Prince's favour, the balance was against him Upon
the Account. - But this'Was 'not all, the Public had
paid other end large sums' for His Reyel'Highness,
and therefore he could not but consider it as an in-
sult to the House, when Gentlemen talked of the
Prince's being made any sacrifice upopehe occa.
siort—(A cry *f "Order ! Order !",1--Mr. JOHN.
STONE then continued, that what he said, he had
said as a pan who 11.111.140 e to fear, and little to
hope. He should now conclude what he had to say,
by declaring, that in his opinion there was no claim
of Right whatever in this case,, and whatever was
done proceeded from the ienerOsity and liberality
of'the Public.
Mr. 11. LASCELLES .said,, he felt great reluc-
tance in opposing this Motion, became there was
no man in that House less disposed than be was to
do any thing which might he considered as disre-
spedful to the Prince of Wales. But:as a Member of
Perliemeor, be felt himself bound, whatever his pri-
atefeelings might be, w oppose the Motion. With
resped to the Claims whielfthe Prince of Wales was
stated to possess on the revenues of the Dutchy of
Cornwall, they certainly had never been legally made
,out, though they were. frequently, eld out in that
House its it Were in tereerere. Therefore he could
not concur with those Gentlemen who said, it. was
an at 'of Bounty in the Prince not to persiit in
those Claims ; he was extremely' anxious that the
dignity of the Prince of Wales should he supported,
and the hoped thet the Prince 'would assist the House
in the cndeauours they were making for that pute
pose. ,
• Sir WILL GEARY said, he had seconded
the Motibia, because whatever might be the result
of the inquiry,' he thought there could be no objec-
eionoo go into it.
Mr. Mee said a few words, the purport of
Which, by a degree of 'noise which prevailed in the
Home at the time, we were prevented froin hearing.
Mr. BURDON said, he was as anxious as any
man could be, that the Prince of Wales'S dignity
should be, restored to him : but, as an Independent
Member of Parliament, he thought he did his duty
to the Prince and to the Country," by adhering to
that measure which Ministers had proposed, in con.,
seqUence of His Majesty's Message. He should',
therefore, vote for the Previous Question,
Mr.'TIERNEY said, he was glad 'the Question
had been brought forward in its present shape, be.'
cause it gave him an opportunity of discussing this
subjeet, which he had not. had before, from the cire
cumitance of the Report having been received on
the day the House went with the Address to St.
James's. e In order to express More clearly the
point of view in which this Question~ struck him;
he would suppose, for a moment, that he was
Country Gentleman, who had been absent' from the
House for some time, and had just returned to his
duty in that House : the first' thing he would find
upon the Journals would be, His Majesty's Messag;
expressive of his wish that the Prince of Wale,
should be enabled to resume that dignity and splen.
dor which belonged to' his exalied situation. He
would also find a .communication from ete rfince of
.Wales, stating, that the -propOsitinoapch His
Majesty's Ministers had thoeght proper 'to make in
that House respeding Hit Royal Higheess's income,
was not such as would enable the Prince to resume
that degree of state and splendOr, .Which it was
wished he lhould resume. Suppose the Country
Gentleman, having been informed-of these circurn-
stances, should wine into the House and hear a
Gentlemen making a motion for a Committee for an
Inquiry as to. what- would .be best to be done in
order. to carry His Mejsty's most gracious inten-
tions into eir;:a, it would naturally occur to him,
that no method could ha adopted niore calculated to
remove the obstacles, which prevented the Prince of
Wales from resuming his dignity, than toinquire
what those difficulites Upon. that principle
he shuts!. certainly' support the .Motian, more
especially :as by supporting it,- he by no means
hound himself, to vote-for the payment °fatly debts,.
or the discharge of any bemtbranees, unless there
appeared to him the most satisfadory. grounds
for it. He was the more willing to go into
this Connittce, because he was sure that the'
result of any Inquiry which Might take :place
would' be highly nondurable to the Piince of
Wales. Professing hiMself, as he 'did, a• friend
to His • Royal Highness, from WhoM he had
received repeated aefs of kindness, he, should cer.
tautly beeevery .to go - into any inqUity,f
unless he was sure that the result' 'of it 'would be
honourable to His Royal Highnessi He cOulifnot-',
:help complaining a little of sonic of the language'
Which had been used upon:this-occasion. It bad
been said, that burthens were 'to be laid upon the,
people:; tiais was rather invidious, because before;
stidelenguage wes.used, it ought-to be ascertained
Whether the prince lad not •an adual
The, Prince had made ,that claim last Session ;
he was then told that that House was not the
proper place to make his claim--that he must.
resort to a Court of ),rw. His Royal High.
nth' did make his claim in' 'a Court of jus-
tice, and the case was in. a -train for adjudicatien.
How came it to be'-stopped "nit House had no
information upen the bubjra it did t appear

not appear from any thing he knew, that the
had applied for this additional 60,0001. a year,
that lie was discontented wirh his former locum
It seems that in me, that Parliament thought tl
Prince should undergo a Pennancer of twelve year
on account of the debts he had contraftede that is I
say, that a large portion of his lucerne should t
appropriated tta pays his debts ; but at the end
seven years and 'a half, just when the Prince
claim was on the point of decision, Ministers can
forward with -cilia -offer to His Hig!
ness : is remained for them to state wily they la
chosen .that precise period to make the offer.-
It had been said, that the Prince of %Vales had o
caved large sums of money, and that this clai
.was.tto 'insult to the House t But he was by no Meal
convinced that any person, let his situation be seta
it might, was -wrong in having recourse to leg
measures' to obtain that which he conceived to 1
his right. But he begged to state distinctly,
he-did not admit- the statement which had been macs
by..an. Hon. Member. wittiatogard. to. -the-balance t
the account between eht.Prince and the Public, ht
cause he thought that in justice nothing but who
His Royal Highness had :received from the:Publit
could be set off against his claim ; and the Hof
Gentleman appeared to him to be by no means ic
curate in the.calculations he had made upon the sub
Jett, because in stating the sum' due to tie Primmer
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instead of :3+,00°1. would be found, if the mat
ter was fairly investigated, that the Public did no
'owe His Royal Highness -much less than 600,0001
if from that sum was deduaed the sums which
been adVanced tohis Royal Highness, there wuni
still remain a balance in his favour of above 300,0001
He therefore contended, that he had 'been the leas
expensive Prince of Wales to the Country, that
ever knew. , He begged to be understood, that hi_
knew of oo Inctanbrance that His Royal Highnem
had since the year 1795 ; but even if there should
be any such Incumbranee, it by•no means follovied
chat it was unnecessarily contraded,. or • that
ought 'not. to be defrayed.' Much kid been said
about. economy, tolvbich-he certainly had no oh.
jeCtion; but' he wished to ask, if the Prince el
Wales was die only.person . in. the kiogdom from
whom. such economy was to be exacled, or to' who"
no allowance was to be made, fur-the great incrme
in the price of 'all dm -articles of life ? Ministeri
had preached economy, iet they heal proposed to
vote the. Prince of Wales.e6a.,Oool. a year, without
any inquiry whatever; and when an Inquill
was • called for, they refused 'it. But, -whei
they talked. so much about the economy which
tie Prince ought to observe, were they quite
age that in, some of the Public Accounts which
were laid before 'that House, there, were not sow
items that did not savourqui quite so much of economy?
Some ,years ago a new office was instituted, he mesa
the Secretary of State•for the War Department, the
Under Secretary to which received at 'first 15001,a
yeare which was afterwards increased- to :moral. 2
year, without-any inquiry.. .He did not meatien
this•as wrong,: because however .he might wish £0
see economy praClised, 'he always:wished to.see
prees
btwsi v'oebiie.sbt
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coeecal)liisi
fewepsresoefnt.'tihrrsetaina.le--e,\.Vithtietrreek:vir;
paid well for their lab murso onit
been
ling
aonnde atbhoautt .%wvlamisc,ll to say' a, fear words,
tfith:l;erattihviishueedh Salaries
observations v s 97 alseal
tyre
Debts hem" taken off by - Cdiildi
Pehts of His loyal Highness. lie by no means
meant to Contend-that, uuder all the circumstances,
PrSilnOnt. PrS .fromwiiicl: i;et;lt'
'the Pomm:”ioners were wrong in making that.de"
but or, the other' hand, it would not .be
contended
that there was any thing improper in the
Prince thinking.that he was bound ro make tiiith!,
deficiency, as a-debt ofhonour. He begged aft°
to state, that although he was.aCtuated by feelingsfi
friendship to the, Prince (and if it- was not p 147
sumptuous he would say, ofpersonal friendship) Yet
in the part he teak upon this occasion he %vimsguida
ed soleiy by what he considefed to be his duty as 3
Member of Parliament.—ln the comforts of the.
Prince, as an individual, he ShoUld always be in;
terested ; but it was
.for ptoper dignity and
splendor as PrinCe of Wales for which he was no/
arguing.--=He knew that by what he was now say-
ing -he might perhaps lose some -popularity, but it
was his fixed opinion that the previous inetunbrancc2
Of the Prince of \Vales ought to be discharged, and
'even if any debts had been incurred since m
there was nothing df exir;R:4lgance. in them, hey
ought to be paid.—The Prince had stated in his come -
thunication to time House, that he could not, five° if
the proposition of Ministers were adopted', resume
his' dignity; the Ministers knew the season' why
he could not; and he rhought.the House ought to
know the reason also, because no limey-secret ought,
to be kept from the H6Ose—t)pon the whole, Ile,
saw no reason why this inquiry should not- be in-
stituted, but he saw many conveniencies that Mighe
result from it ; he should therefore give'his vote tot
the original Motion.,
The.CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that the Hon, Gentleman who had just sat citiwno
had referred to what lie had 'supposed to be an ex-
traordinary proceeding which took
place previoug
to the execution of the Order of the 'House an dr
day preceding tlie Address which had been Presen
ed to His Majesty on' the farbjeCt now before time
ie
House,"to which he mast observe,
ahat if the-Hoti-
Gentlernan had staid:in the H ouse a very few minute.
after -their amieß left the Chair, upon a Motion
to take His Majesty's 'Gracious Message into don,-
`tideration,. he Would have heard- him ststeto die
`HOose his intention to propose to proceed
.on the
following day to St. James's, and he would not
have expefted that 'after proceeding to St. Jaints's
with char Addreis, the. House ivould return andagf-
ceed to other business on the sille.daya He thought
it'a mark of respeCt to the Prime (if Wales, nor to
delay that proceeoing longs t than the forms of the
House required. li, however, any delay until Fri-
day had been required upon any justifiable ground,
in that delay he should have acquit seed ; nool4eftion
was made from any quarter to the coarse which the
House was then purftting. '' If the_Hondarabie
Gentleman, tsaid - Mr. AnomantoN) heard the
Motion, he ought to have objected then ; if he' did
sot' hear it, lam cot to blame." He then
:ceded to say, that :he present Motion was 'CO Way

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=gilt in any oegree Interrupti
that unanimity which he flattered himself w;_oulcli
hive appeared , upon: this subjea. ,It could not bet
.flectssary .to.declate, that the Motion :nciw. before'
.
_• the House was without the FOPtaenaoce. of .
Royal HighpeSs the
_Prince
,Of Vales ; it was
utterly itutaissible 'for hint to have any doubt'
Upon . that subject, ic.nowing, .as he did; what,
}lts
,conduti had ,heen,
.and ,what were the sett-
, Timms of the Prince of Wales epon this sub.
jet, he owned it was to him matter of surpr:ze
,rather than' any .other sensation. • ,With regard to
the Message,
.of Hon. ,Qpilltainan who
lasr complained, and the proceeding upon_it,
and the. share which His Majesty's Servants 'had in
that proceeding, it was proper he should relate how.
the matter stood Before. that Message was pre_
tented to the House, he tho4ght it his duty to make:
nis Royal Highness acquainted-with it;. and he had.
the satisladiOn to say, that His Royal Highnessi
not only acquiesced in it, big entirely approvethof tt.l
With respeCt to the accounts which were stated to the
House upon the affitirs:af Hisßayal Highness's' In- i
cumbrances, he caused that Statement to be submitted
191/jaßt4tabilighness,,togetlier with:theMotioil in.
'l".ClCd,tPbehlgil.c.,ancl,rf4ikkfteFreF4Wil'APAriao
His Royal Highness was pitased to alloptithe Mo.
tion, and he *conformed hitisselltai' farhs 'was con_
• sistent viithshisAuty),to thi wishes:, of AC Ati)Yal
Highness in ,eve,ry particplar;NA.ajl
,te,prgparaNity
ate is to the Motion, as • wqlk. the. Motion itself., I
had the unqualified apProbatirin'of His loyal
1;!'ls• f‘ It,' .said- Mr. Anottittlkink, "'s Rd.Yal
Highness had been.actpaiotedithilw:iotelitign.uf
the Hon. Member who broughtforwatd this IMo.
lionsl am surd iliat,hewmild-have coide,ceeded to
1114:e me alsoacquainte& with it but I alti anxious
to be understood in evert pert tifthi'proFeetlicig::
the utmost Pins have: be'eti 'taken -by Eqsel( find
other Ministers to mark 4very'SteV:in."-tifis vi need.
irt_g with respeft and with due regard to the •Wishis
Royal Highness. ' The flop. and Learned
Gentleman' who spoke second in this behate hnlit
•
said, 'that he wished the House to att iseith
lily towards the Prince pf ;Wales, further than had
„ • been expresed by His Majesty its his Gra,cions
tlessage—that this tivatt an'apPlicatidn to mend
the Message of His 'Majesty' -,-these were the
words of the l; ion: and' teamed Ceiltleoian, for
he took them down, t.,litCh he apprehended the
House 'would hardly chit I'. within its 'province,
tinder the duty they owed to their SO'Vereign,
to the Prince, or to the Public." - He would not
contend that' the
,House wits not at liberty to
sent to the. Motion svithout violating the rt.Ues,of
the House, but he 'would contend that it could not
he followed.. up. 'by 'ail exieitt Vote ftir money
'with any regularity .4hatOrer ; and it ryas
the House to consider whether they would becotise
Party' to a proceeding which could never beCOree
tbleierit, consistently with one of the wisest rules
of that House; he meant, char rule by 'Which it
was under Stood that no vote should be' prorsed,
the efk'& of 'which was to impose any chirge tire
the People of this Country without a previous re_
liolnatend.ition from the Crown ; and hie (lid not be.
lieve that many could vote for the Motion now ,
fe;re tl:e House, without eXpeding that it ghoul 4
be followed up by another,-fo'r granting-a atun'Of
.
Money to His Royal Highness; 'and, therehre he
aunt say, that it' was impossible to' vote efficiently
tipon this &Aka, without a recomMendation from
the Crown, consistently with the Rules laid down
by the House itself for the guid4nee of its Own pro:.
ceedings. Now he had not received the' authority
el l-14 Majesty to recommend such a measure, or to
recommend any measure fur the di,4Atarge of the
Debts 'af' the Prince of Wales; and it tt 'Motion
were now made for the appointment ofd Committee.
for that potpOse, he should hold it to be his'duty tp
Withhold that recommendation. It was said, that the
words of the Message off its Majesty we re so general,
that they admitted of the propriety of the I.lresent
Motion, and that they implied the 'payment of the
Debts 'of His-Royal ,Highness the Prifiee Vales
but in the name of flis Majesty's:ad v iiers, and of HiS
Majesty himself,' he moat. beg leiive to say, it'was
not intended by the last Message from His Majesty
to suggest any thing towards the discharge ;Of the
Debts of the Prince of Wales. kle/intsragy, it was
impossible for any one who considered the• Message
and the subject to which it referred, to have any
idea that such a measure was in" the contempla.
tion of Government. 'lt was not to 'be doubted
that every sentiment of respect and even of admi-
ration were entertained for his Royal Highness by
every Member of that House indiViduaffk;' not w'ps
it to he douhied, that every indiVid'Ual in the litibie
Wished to see these*Debts discharged ; but in ilfelt
capacity as Members 'of that House, 'it Was unbe-
coming in them to guppose that His Majesty WOuld
refer to such a mode as this to discharge' the, Debts
of tits 'Royal Highness ; for of what descrii)tiOn.
must -.these ,Debts be, if there were any ? They
were not included in the Account of ins,. because
provision was then madefor tf.
heir paymeif" -If there
were any Debts then' exitting against Royal
klighness,'hot inclUded in that Account,. the' AC.:.
• count was. inaccurate or unfaithful ; or, they had
been incurred in direa contravention of the
.very
•.\tet of Parliament Which -provided for' the livid?.
tion of the Debtspf His ltoyid Higlinesi; for.
very that no Debt contratled
Littler year 1,7,95 Olc.'hhillP'deelle4:ar.4?ell.
this Was' a provision made in coma lance lutist
the desire eip‘eessed by lis •
Dim
Mu. , ties,read that-part or His Majesty's inesSasetto the
w 'el" 1,795, which stated ttiat its Majesty would be ready
concur up any inch for estalgisttima Tkurtausi ofiler of
P4Me.'i` 01 the beb- fI :P I.nce 64 ;loci •
;Wu, t$ 0
~114
• jurr,;;.,',l"; PPSSlbthty At the Prlnct uwolud 44 so ont-
.4 a situation in future,]
)0n •
s tins Mess;lge a regulation too)c place re, , peC,tlng the *airs of Hia'ROyal tligh46s' and this :Kg
as well by tbe'Parliamentar P vision (nape upon it, His IClajestY-C9uld nor}enti7.:
.tain any. idea that His Royal fbitiillCs4 iKiVe
!neucrttl'lny debts since t79e; re. was, thcrefore,
inconsistent with the whole Course of His Majesty's
life, and inconsistent with the proceedings of Par.
liamtt, to 'suppose that His Majesty looked forward
to any ,lutute 00t,. after such a hail been
. It 4cie, RoYal Highness cantradirg any.
w'l".' • ' ' •
"41 trnpusr.inte for the House to ;:uposc
that 1•14 Majesty, to the Message of rise Y 6th of