The Sun.
London, England, 1804-07-04 00:00:00

SLAVE Tit.A.DE.

The Dux a or CeAtt F. ric it presented two Petitions
against the Slave 'rrade'Abolition.Bill,on of which
Was from certain Merchants, Mortgagees, and others
of the Tow nand, Port Of LiVttpUd, , ,
'l4 Order of the. D,iy, . for tpe second reading.of
the ill being read, the questiOn fur the same was •
,-
r!ecordingly put.
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' L;i•il 11 iltlYi re ES:BURY rose to move ati Amen 44
' ment, by snbstituting, for the word " now," '' !Jai •
day three months." ,Fle had no intention of saying ,
any thing at present tending
,to prejudge the qiies- ,
thin : on the contrary, it was one of grave and
FJ;rietvi importance, and deserved a solemn awl de,
, liberate consitleratioik. This, however, in the pe-
ScOt state of bitsjness, and in a very advanced r tirrd
• of the S',.:.,s;ion, ,he thotight there would he nop.os.
iibilitY' of doing: and it was upon this cony iOion he
propraed the Amr.timent. He was fully iimite;seti
with the extensive and varionsly impOr rant imitire!t,if
the subjeti, involving'crest i, ns of- general, and ri,a.
tionArinterest, as well.' as' of individual ctincern...:-
• He 1-yICA-it' not then' to give' any `itinion 'ils;to the
• decision tile -H :use •titight Ultimately to crime-in;
Or-should he give 'un:opinion how flit; 'or' ih what
.way, the interesting occurrences' of late years'aight
to vary the question. He adverted to the late.pe..
• rind of the Session ity.which'itte 'Bill ',,,,VaS 'brought
into the other Hnus of Parliament, whicti'rendered
ouch an Amendment 'as the present necessary ; 'hut;
Ott the 'Same time, its adoption would afford the Him.
Gentlemad who introduced the Ilill,"art oppa'reunity '
Of proposingir sufficiently 'ea'rly in the next Seision
for it due conlideration of the subjeft in both Hothes
of Parliarnen't ;,' nay, it was competent to any Mem.
her of th,it House, shriuld+ he be so inclined, to agi.
tat the • subjed as`early as' he wished, Ile repeat.
eil, it was Under' thisiinirretsion, and the conviaitin .
that no. maul progress could be made in the discus_
Sion of the. Measure this SessiOn, that he felt it his
ditty to urge the Amendment. • . - .. ~
" The Duke
.tif Noaiamt made a few observations
ellen 'tlie,subjeL% its,: the course of which .be ex'.
pressed' his' ciincidetice,. under the present circitin7
stance 3,: with. the Amendment proposed by the Nos
ble Secretary of State.. + - • ' . •-'
' Eart.YI.INHOPE conten'ded, that not a sha:
dole of argurneliv had heinadditted for ptitfing off
the consideration of the'Bill;••' The 'measure he cim:
ceived to have been introduced 'at the most prtip4
period of the Session, tiz:.. that . in which there
was i the fulest attentianee known for many .yearsl
The Bill, politically *peaking, was of as math toil
Sequence its Any other possibly boulLi be, in the ntintl
Of every gnat) who had any idea o j f ustice- or Imola.
tiity, lie teptobited the. idea that 'evidence- was
• neerssary oh the subjeO• ;• ir.Wavan insult-wpm-the i
tlotarit to say thia,peraonirpetitioning . for-leave. to
cooltide in the,etimmissionof crimes should' he heard ,
. by •ev Wrote. That;'.infamous praetice, called the
sl.iiier,f,ratle, was Teithettiftellfrroreciuttnervi but a
traflir.: in liuni.tri flesh atid`blood : At •was the:seizure
fir liurcl!a4e of innocent pi,rt.o4..in a' neutral' rotin tiy.
:11,,,.11,irtiti situation Of 'Sr. Dliningq, 9rigindang
in' the S:3stestrade, should 'sicken the,advocates for
this ttilfic. • DM; they; wish , Jamaica tor tic . in., i '
4ititilar sithation 1. Insteltd oti being a neriery,tias
• ixpefted,'•it was the graore of. British Searrien. •:,But
, tlid Their Lord Shins-wish, •to know. the 'real °Weds:
of,the Slav e Trottel' Iv was; to enable certain Met. •
' .ehants,l4 tiverpoirl, and other,places, terlormati.
' Alizelmore tortle,land rtfAwill irouncl,iret (4 latish ). ,
fid 'shoulsrinot,''.4tow ever, foi hiro'self, pot their
LOlllBlllO to Vie' tr4ihks of dividing upon the .lire_'
Sent questionl • having just received a note,tintimat.
log thisruifeeralr Friends' 'to the ; Abolition diti-nOt,+
thir•lc. that. the 'discussion - would havetcoMe.on this
,day. He suggested, particularly- to the West India
Preiprierdis- , whether. at . wntileetxt be.wiser to let.
the: Abolition take .place:ailentlY,-assepeated disc!
vussionslinight eventually-be injarionst;.l t,•-.• . • ~
LoAtG 8110 1414 said,' it: vaiis difficult to speak l
,on• this-iultjett without :entering into ittte•mtritaafl
she question of thetAbolititin ;.blit'siUCll,wita by • not,
russet his: intentiam: .At ;present. he': was, otily to
eciasitleir Who i her 'or not thekionse.should.entetioikai
till which had-passed ului. Itioitse.of ecimmons, . alai'
, -which,..lirvits- preanitilei'deciarecVtlie traffic it was
aboUt to itbotistwatijust. and inhuman.. -In hit opi.+
,Ition tits House ,was butmdumprneeed,on the,sell, 1
whatever :priigress they :siight..;be able to Mitkit.
'Admit t ing, they -couhi -par knish Abe necessoiy4le
'quit ire Alkis Session, •enia4 it-by -any just sribinent„
'lse interred, that an that account; they, weft nutitto
commence the subjedt ?,r. This lie thought illogi4l,l
• and wholly inadmissible. Let it 'be leculleflesi 41441
that no:one:could atooltitely know, When: His ,IVIa.!
, jesty iniglit /think: proper to prorogue the, irarlia-i
. viva., Grest.antrweighty matters, :now before this
and the'orlier House, gavp the nailtral Inference that
. .:-Faribirnanit•Avoulil ar. 4iast sit long enotithAte; enable
• imosti,surupulous searchers ined.evidence to make
,considerable progress, SO ;is 444 next' Session lite
. Hutt eimight :be, ready, not fir inquiry, but fat
t-deoi46ll,•::.,klisit:thossever, loth v,illually deq,larettithat
~hi•wantOdf no inquiry. ; NS' anirul.was tpaclet.upit Ind
he Was 'ready, this.instaist:to-ireess4 in, the,ultimate
discassiwolo the r' 444 e NW ilooltot .4 Way,stitteitin
the 1411,.isttitAS . he ,was. *early. to. assprne anal atf
raison, tr,:traffie !was unjust:!und, inliturtan,, liecoulti
• nor allow any one to.oppo* partial:and iiidividual
interests twits Abolition, Let, the losses,,,there.
fire, l'i she 4'etitiontre be ',What ithey..mtight, he
w9ul4 not penal! that circumstance, 1g .have any
: weight in the' ticeision trUtlic Ilpuse. ,ty theluntlf
"* ' ' in. whipsthis subje4 was treated by the, Nobly
e
Secretiry
.91.--4 tale (Lord ti,i,ovxt.sktiltY); 14 -Bill.,
on a mere suggestion. that the Session misht:pot
4dinit a full' 'd ,ecision; Wei ittr:lae postponed !*:,
....!),,i,d,,,, and tittlj, to htt.,,,,,i'lrett ttii, litl'il way
,the
~..,liiplot 3tecet,arY, 1144:;,,intimated) that migliC.•.'gairt
i..
iflirottsli the ensuing s9lloti untiesided. 44

:nennverleirces of inditidnals had been alluded' to, '
in aid of the arguments for poet patting the ,
deraiir'n aiTthis late seat:es of Ile Session but
if they;urg#d due. argument,' let 'their L;erdships
leek to 114. 'Couttrymen on'elle Coast of 'Africa',
by tLiA. encoiiraged to. proC'ied in
.tlie, daily
pr;:.tie,• el robbery and murder. Would they-con.
template that Objeft, and alledge personal inconite".
filetic-e'rtrbir of a 'proceeding that was to pat a stop
to such criminal and disgraceful prafticea Looking
at the subject in that point of view, he thought the
House was bound in duty -to proceed in the discus.
siuri of the Bill.; and it heleg once stated that. the
traffic was' iricensistent with justice and humanity,
rio inferior motives should induce them to wave or
delay .coming to a complete and absoltite decision on
the case,:. and. if previous inquiry were. necessary,
to institute itimmediately.
.„,Lord WLSTMOkLAND, in contemplating the
.present state:of this questioe, expressed great *vie.
/Aaiun, ,as a Member of. that House, and great admi.
rotion Item a general view of the Constitution. As
is,Xter of the lteelen, he took pride in the considera-
aioft that the people at large, the Merchants ince.
,rested in the
,Slave Trade, anti the Colonist,' would
See that, though nut eepresented in that House; yet.
,that their interests were, at much attended to as if
they ‘'ere. In loeking at the constitution, ha could
not but admire the wisdom:of our. Ancestors, who
had divided the deliberative power -into two parts,
and encompassed. each with such forms as necessarily
fed' to. the .Coritclion of any !tidy And ill.advised
Measure pasted 'in either HOuse. Adverting to the ,
immediate question, he thotight it. was in vain to
etteer.'nenn eiubjea 'of such great import, and under
eireumstencei, when it was manifest no de.
tisiotr could .be c tn.e tn. Having pultued this
whin of rooting in variont. points and views, he
condi:Oaf bygiviitg Otis ticciiled support to the pro.
position of the Noble Secretary.
The ./31shois of Sr. itsAPlrdid not
called on. to, enter into the merits of the general
rpteseion; nor was he at' all disposed,at, present to
indulge in panegyric on the. British Constitution.
'lf-the -question- was, whether. now, for the first
time, the middle of July, and in t* fifth year %'
of the nineteenth century, this' subject should be
taken up, he might agree with the Nfible, -Lord who
spoke last; but 'let the Il.luie recollea, tiset this
subjed had frequently, within the last twelve or
foutteen 'years, received grave and minote discus.
don. When this circumstance was dOly considered, •
much or what the Noble Lord had advanced would ,
ambuntto nothing.—As tn,what had 'been sail re.
spelling evidence, could 'it be cohtentled that the
tiousei. as it at present stood,*. had received no
evidence Did they went to icisow the situation of
the inhabitants of •the,,Slave Coast Did they want
to know. the mercies of the Middle Passage Did
they want. to learn the' Paradise to which that PAS.
,sage contirmed its unfortunate vidims With these
matters the' liouseewas,' and hid king' been, well ac.
quainted...He meant not,,however, to insinsatc.thet
all the Planters treated their Slaves cruelly. . By no
Means ; he knew that s,everal of them treated theln

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AYill4intineas• 'jut it was.tlll3 COliditloll of the Ne.
grotq that iv,. wi,heii to rpmedy, that
.9( 110hling
every thing in life by the caprice, and ra4rey f in.
dividualq, a conditiati that reduced men to tilt
state•of brutes. Many* militefS treated their Slaves
with kinkiness ara'compl*sion ; the state in which
liter-Wm in w:ti neverthclrsot degrading, •and such
as an equal nature' 'cou4l not einluri. When the
chifii,:es'aeteited,w it those of injustice and inhuma.
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nay, no' considertiticin of individual loss, or iitivare
ain, shotiid .interfere. with Its doe rrninition; He.
meant, not • to. dory,• however; iIiAG • if indiviituals
diati.heen,,,sar'swele urged fa adventure . in nefarious
.ttatlit by titzLegislanste, that. they had some' right
10)intienvoityrwtion.,0mLegislature should entertain
jl4t mot \and.antentl its laws:. Th4.case, how.
.cver,. ANlLllCettrwbCfOrel their right .took
They .could have.:rttr. pr4terice ;0, nap the gorrs:Oion
in its prump, :becitusc, eventually,. the.ir,intereq
.might wicke.destllepuhlie that ever
.was (always excepting the transcendent wickedness

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. of the Vrench licpoblq, hr. iPeollt, that of
.Atlkers.
it had been laid dowwas a principle, that nothing
cOuld excuse, the infringement of justice,. In the
present.. in.ttanc..,-.",,..j.ustise w. 19 not only infringed,
hut every dia.tte of hymanity violated.; the evidence
advocotes wasSollicientagainsi.thaTrlk ;'he
wanted no (Stiles. F sir. these and other reasons, ad. ,
voiced with' great force and iibirity„ the Learned
'relate was: (ne..,immediately, proceeding with the
discussion.pf tbe. OM, , • .
4.,erd P.lllfaii dye, had once be inclined ,rtr
pose the. Abolition ; 'subsequent arguments had in.
(bleed him to think the measure rnivitt be expedient.
At the present mon-worth; was, however, by no mean 3
decided on the subjeet, As thti views intimated
by: the Learned Prelate, Went beyond the immediate
41iien,, and the question wad Of 'very great and
lasting impottuncei ht rather inclined to think it
bitter be deferred till. it could be fully in.
'4astigatetiT 4t.the same time he wished to remove a
tilontimprission, which a Noble Lord (Gee N.
Y I L.Lt) On the.other side seemed to have received.
flis'Hon.'Frienti (Lord HA%A.,icebutoty) hati• given,
no grOund t4.ll;spose .the investigation to which he
alluded; ,was' trleitOr to vrott;ta 'the discussion,
through the whole of the_next Session'. On the
contrary, he had suggested that. the- ityptiry,.as to
.evidence, might, With. a view , pro
teed in both Houses at once; though. the. Bill could
'therefore' shOuld suppOrt the adjnOrn..
mane Or the question., , •
The 'Bishop 01: ST. AS AP H said, that. he, had
.13een.niuclimisCunceived' if ii was 'thOught he had
r,arty view IQ farther COHtegtieneeth OW' 1.1!e Abolition
GA the
.§lave TrAde.: He took the .opportunity of
declaring, that,- in his opinion, that event 'would •
j.ir!adtralry rodtice all' the amelioration in the state
,tind condition of African Si4vcs,thar. wag .piadiedble,
or iotleeti, desirable,. and, that lie. looked to no farther
'con4ciPtroces whatever.:
Lord lI.IRROW BY .expressed his satisfaelion at
the explani!tion given. by -the Right Rev. Prelate,
with toped in the sub)cif:tinthediatefy belore the
i(uust ; he doprecated a hasty decision, sincet
how-
evet friendly might be. his sentiments' towards the
iiieastile, lie was decidedly of opini9n, that there
was not now 'time to enter into that investigation
` Which the importance of the subjeft demanded, _Nor
r . . .
couki he conceive that any advatitagt 4iiuiri tic tiin.

ed,by hearing a small part of the evidence or argu.
tri„eilts which might be adduced in behalf of the Pe.
'titiOners against the "Bill, whenie was evident that
the Session WOW cloie before they could obtain
anv filial tesuir. For these,reasons he should cer.
tainly vote for the proposed'delay.
Earl ST. 'IIINCENT expressed 'himself also in
faVour of delay. • To pass such a measure as the
present-hastily, might,. he said, eventually lead to
consequences equally dreadful with those which had
taken place lb St. Domingo, and even to the extir.
/mann of evert White in the West India Islands.
The LORD.CHANCELLOR said, that a num.
ber of reasons pressed upon his mind to induce him
to- vbte for delaying the present measure till next
Session". Here they wildly attempted to pass a Bill
At the call• of humanity, as it was said, without-de.
liberation, and without considering that humanity
was also to be.exereised ,on the other side of tile
question; or to abolish,a Trade, without consider.
ing what would he the most expedient mode•of
ing it. If, as the'Prearnble of the Bill stated, .the
Slave Trade was contrary to justice and humanity,
it ought no longer to exist ; but it was evident that
the other House of Parliament thought there was room
for deliberation tespeCting that point, by allowing,
in the Bill, the Trade to continue for *a.Certain time
longer, however short that period. .When, however,
they considered that Parliament had by several for.
aster Ads supported this Trade, and encouraged per.
sons to embark' in it, were .theY now to. say that
those who had.embarked in it
,on the faith of that
encouragement, .were to be refused the privilege
of being heard at 'the. Bar of that House, in de.
fence of their rights and interests ? Those persons
had petitioned that .House ; and was it now to be
sah4, that those Petitioners • were .not to be heard
against a Bill which so deeply affected their pro.
perry, and property which had been embarked on the
faith of encouragement given by. Parliament, ? It had
been said, that ..all the evidence „upon the subject
was sufficiently known; all he could say was, he
did not know of what that evidence consisted, nor
could,be undertake, during the short remainder of
the Session, to read it su as to form any judgment
upon tile
,suljeCt. In the-next Session, those who
wished to carry the Abolition into died might
bring the sullen forward at an early period, and,
Evidence and Cotinsel might be heard, with a view'"
either to originate a Bill in that Hause, Of to meet
a Bill of a siMilar.description, whets serf from the
other House. For the present he shouldcercainly
warmly support the Motion of his Noble Friendfor
delay.
Earl STANttoPE explained. • •: • .
The DUKE if cLAREKE expressed himself
decidedly in favour the •IVl7nitn
adverted pointetly to the' ill. istige mtemptiniin
pass a Bill of this nature withatit hearing ai weir
Bar,thoie who had petHoneti the Hanse..ofaiiisi.it;
and tyllose property was so deeply aifeAe.ct by it...
Proptrty,to the amount of one buudretP ntillititnxwas
embarked in 'our West which re.
turned annually eipliteen mt illion,. to this COutitry,
producing to the revenue 'four millions; a year waS
all this to be hazarded without deltbe.tari:~n, hod
without herring those who were strmaterially c6n:
cerned ? He read the titles of two Attsfir
ment pissed expressly .for ;ha encouragement of this
Trade, which he considered as ao.additioiiii,. anti 4
very cogent reastm, wilt their Lordships should
bear, with attention, those WhO .had thtts einbatke4
in a Trade on the faith of Parliament. He di.i floe
consider as ail reason.,-tor' their :no! now coming
to a decision upon the subjed, that, as , had been
stated, WM' of those N,?hte
4. Lrolls, who• 'sty.
ported the. AnolitiOn'tvete 'riot pieient, since-it was
certainly the duty of every Peer.O.he in:his place.
He had heard a' great triimbet Of tares of Cruelty exer.
eised towards the staves by rhe,,Wt44L.ti,4 Plawers„
but he,wss;scriit4istted with in:inv Gentlemen of that
description, of the highest respen'tbility, o hoot e
did not believe capable of comatoting, .or
ing, any such acts of cruelty, and wls on, it he•di.t,
he idiouid be homed to asS 'date with. ,He Coo.
chided Ity, declaring his intention strenuru.ly to
support the Motion of the Noble Secretary of State
fur.p arpoiting the Bill.
Question was then put, and the A.nendinent
tarried without a division, by which tih: Bill is
fur the Present Session.
At Nine o'Clock, the I louse adjourned till to:
morrow.

•
HOUSE OF com,i:Hivs.-
,TUES•DAY, JULY 3.
Tut Sr s Potekinfolmed, the .Hnuse that the Royal .!
Aisent was notified, by Cmutnissi:mo in thelioute
of 1...0rdi, to theCorit lotere,urse And to tie,'
•veral Private Bills.
The Irish. CtAktallai and .Excise Bill was read -a
third time and patmid.
An Account was presented 'from :Oil Chief Seere.
tary fur Ireland,' of the particiiLlis of the Contiv.n.
satluns made,by the BormtgliCummistioners.—Or.
tiered to lie on the Table. •
Mr. H. W: Pot.l brought in the. Chatham,
Lands 81ii..•--ReaLa first .time, and ordered to ts,:.
read a second time to.morrpw.
The Plail• approved of.by the Trustees for the Bri.
tish Museum, for !reeling a Building to, cover the
Troiiiiies brought from Egypt,. Was- laid. on the
Table;
Mr. Rose then adverting to some observationa of
an Hon. Member' (Mc. SH r tt 6,0 r .. respelling. the
accommodation which tf c Poitiiti tnet with at the
British, Museiin, ttiok.uPot'l him ,to say, , that „tthe:
Trustees had adopted a variety . of regniations,. by
which every possible degrce,of sccommodation would
'be'affortled .to those who. were. desirOus of, visiting
that, interesting Establishment. Ik was now pro..
vided that .75 persons, migitt,be admitted per day.,
three times a week, and that even those who ap.,
plied. inthe morning mi,.thr be admitted in the course
414,%anic day,. Regulations werealSo adopted fl
„admitting. private parties thret.times a week; ,and
_Qrdertli4dAikVvis.; been issued for .lit:*.e.kit Intl rel...
gular access to the Reading-room,. jn ibprt, it
wititidotppe4ti from the ;paper µ loch he should now
take teliberty to move.fitr, that the Mosettm pro:
niiiedlo.ftirnish the meaps,orbeing both uieful,
strative, and adequate to the gratification of ;i
Public curiosity.
The. Right Hon; Gandetuat thcn ttlCYcdt that

there be laid before the House, a Copy of the Re.
gulations adopted by the Trustees fir admission 111
the Museum, and likewise to the Reading.toom.
The Paper was immediately brought in, ordered
to lie on .the Table, and to be printed.