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London, England, 1858-05-12 00:00:00

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SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock.

BATH RACES.—(This Day.)

(BY ELECTRIC TEEEGRAPB.)
SWEEPSTAKES OF FIVE SOVS,
ITalliford
Little Gerard
Amorous Boy

WESTON STAKES.
Sister to 1?olydore
Actor:)❑
Merryman

Sixteen Tao.
BATH HANDICAP.

3T. Dobler 1
Tame Deer
Rosa Bonheur
Eleven ran.
DYRHAINI PARK HANDICAP.
Cotswold
Shirab 2
Gourd

Ten ran.
ARISTOCRATIC HANDICAP
Cotswold
Gourd
Klnuer:l-y .......

3
Three ran.
LATEST BETTING.
DERBY.
4 to 1 aget Fitz-Roland
sto 1 aget Tt xopholite
12 to 1 agstL,,ngrange
16 to 1 agst Happy Land
16 to 1 aget Ancient Briton
20 to 1 agst Seri bury
20 to 1 aget Eclipse
25 to 1 agst Bea&man
20 to 1 agst Mr. Gratrick's two, coupled (taken)

The disputed race at Daley is awarded to Avenger.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(This Day.)

PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Dalby and Worksop Road Bill was read a third
titne and passed.
The fallowing bills w're considered and ordered for
third reading :—Carlisle, Langholin, and Hawick Rail-
way; London, Brighton, and South Comt R.diway.
POOR-RATES (METROPOLIS) BILL.

Mr. AYRTON moved the second reading of this bill,
the object of which is to equalise the poor-rates of the
metropolis. He did not anticipate that the measure would
receive any strong support from the house, as few members
resitled in those parishes which came there for justice.
There could be no doubt, however, that only an insig-
niicant minority of the rate-payers cf the metropolis
were opposed to the measure, and that minority was
made up of the wealth and rank of the West-end, the
occupiers of offices and residences in the Inns of Court
and other extra-parocbial districts. He widied the
house, by giving this bill a second readinee to reaffirm
the principle that whenever It was possible the area c f
texition should be extended, and which was generally
acknowledged by the administrators of the poor laws ;
and, after the bill had been read a second time,
it could be referred to a select committee to see whether
there were any local circurnstancesconnected with ti,e me-
tropolis to justify its exemption flour the operation of
hat principle. For his own Fart he was convinced that
only an imaginary distinction could be drawn between
the we,lth and rank of the employer in the west, and
the misery and poverty of the employed in the ea, t.
Both districts were areas of taxation aid according to
the extent of the areas and not the number of
their poor they ought to be made to contribute to
,the general support of the poor in the tne,ro-
oolig. The honourable and learned gentliman then
quoted a number of instances showing the glowirg in-
consistency in the poor-rates between the East and
West ends, and commented upon the irjeetice of ti.e
latter te aping the benefit of industry, while the former
had to support the labourer who contributed to their
:uxuries. The principle was to increase large houses in
St George's, Hanover-square, and alter districts
at the west end at the expense of the peer, r
oariehee, the richer districts re joining in the
fact that by so doing they get rid of their
own poor, and reduce the rates by driving them into
poorer districts. Those who could best pay for the re-
lief of the poor were gradually relieving themselves Item
the expense, whilst the poor in districts who can least
bear the burthen were having it daily increased. Titat
was a state of things that ought ant to oast. It seas
~aid the change pr pissed would be a tax upon property,
but that might ho said in respect of every tax. The
old ladi of 40 days' living gave a settlement, at.d,
W:+B that:' the case now, the rates of St. George's,
hlanover-square, would be greatlf ircreased. When
12 months' living gave a settlement the rates were
double what they now were. That had been altered,
and immediately on the change from 12 months' living
to five years' residence the rates of St. George's,
Ilanover-7quare, fed to one-half. (Hear.) The poor
man on 501. or 60/. a•yenr residing in the poor dis.
resets paid as much as the man of 4001. or 5001.
e.bo lived in some more favourer) lacality. That was
1 grievance that was loudly and justly complained
of. Petitions, signed by 60,000 or 70,000 f the middle
class ratepayers. had been presented to the house claim-
ing an equality cf this burden. The house ouqht to attend
to the appearef the people and endeavour togive them the
relief they asked. Ie illustration of the distress existing
in the rue ropolis the hon. and learned ge tleman re-
ferred to the deaths front privation. In 1848, including
deaths from neelecte cola, and infants from want ef brew, t
&c., 222 deaths were registered : in 1855, they
amounted to 460 ; in 1856, they were 414, and in 1857,
they were 416. The number of the ratepayers and she
ameuelei paid by them in the returns that had been
enade, did not fairly show the barthene complained of.
If the number of poor persons who wei e summoned for
non-payment of poor-rates were asc:itained, it would
be found the burthen was much greater than was ima-
gined. He predicted that such a re urn would show
a most etariling result, and that they were mere
numerous than those who resided in the favoured
parishes, and were relieved at the expense of the former.
He awned the hota.e that it as unwise in them to
resist this measure, and allow 500 000 able-bodied men
to tedieve they were suffering injuet ice at the hands of
a',out 500,000 nobility and g. utry in the favoured
parishes, who were strong enough to laugh at their
complaints and that house, and resist their appeal
ter relief. There was a time when the people of
Wales were not heard in that hou,e. A change
had taken place in that respect, and he assured
the house that the 500,000 residents in the poorer
districts would sooner or later be heard in this matter.
(Hear, hear.) The oily objection he had heard to the
measure was that extending the area of taxation would
'end to make a new tax in the edministration of the poor
(Cheers.) He contended that the bill effee`ually pro-
vided against that and he asked the house to read the
hi 1. Any defects in the bill could be amended in coat-

Mr. S. ESTCOURT complained that the speech of the
hon. and learned gentleman partook of the character of
a menace (Elea') hear) which generally had a
tendency to defeat the olject it had in view. (Hear,
hear.) He (Mr. S. Estcourt) denied that that house
;anghed at the complaints of the people, and he chal-
lenge hon. members to state a case where that house as
a body lead sacrificed a principle to save their pocket.
He was anxious the bill should be introduced, from there
appearing to be a prima ladle case that the hardships
complained of really existed, in order that the house and
different Boards of Gt.ardians interested might have an
opportunity of reading its provisions. The opponents
of the bill would place the law relative to the ratirg of
the metropolis in the bands of an irresponsible hoard.
lle complained that many (,f he irregnlaritiesc eeplained
of resulted from local mi,roaragme• t. Ile considered
the provisions of the bill would encourage wasteful fx•
penditure in connection with the administration of the
poor, and hie main objection to the bill was, that those
who contributed the money for the relief of the poor
would have no share whatever in its expenditure.
(Hear, bear.) With regard to the general amount of
reting in the metropolis, he found that in 1850 the ave•
rage of the rate was ls. 6id. in the pound, whilst the
average throughout E•,gland was le. 7d. 1-10th in the
pound. He also found that in the metropolis the num-
ber relieved was 3 9-10ths in the 100, and therefore :t
could not be doubted that the amount of pauperism in
the metropolis, however hard it might bear on portico
tar classes was less than throughout the whole of Eng-
land. He also found that in ISOO, the population of the
metropolis was 960,000, and in 1857,had increa,ed to
2,500 000. In the course of the same time the value of
rateable property in the metropolis bad trebled, viz.,
from 4,000,000/. to about 13,362,000/. The amount of
pmeeretes raised in themetropolis i 1803 was 45.7,u34,e1.g
and in 1857 it had increased to 875 0001., just d. d
I 1803 the.
the rates, whilst the property had trebled.
amount of the poundage raised was see?aarrid_tiv,Dal.!(;i6,
it e es 1.. 6id., being not so meta on e 3
tr e bled.
1803, whilst the value of the pro
right hon. gentleman then reterrtdPit.rotYtrl,;drifft;ruefucteheinptla,!
:Honor), rf ratmg and voile of th
OP,
g Southwark ; S..
rishea of Bet'inal-green,
George's, Whitechapel ; to 1857. He said
i.rrGoendil°tinsi,)3Steeney, St. Paul's.,
Poplar, and other parishes.
uount
of e
h parishes were
that the variations in the a
not such as to call for legislation, but he thought White
chapel and Sitithwark bad some reason to complain. In
those parishes a question arose, whether the lab, nriae
population might net mitigate them and improve to it
own condition. It wee, however, said that the in' ab -
tants were dependent on certain circumstances, and that
the plan adopted was to employ the men by the dee d
even hour, and pay them off at the end, which • ontribute
greatly to t o pitaperis,n existing in these,
That might be so, but ha thought it was too delicate
question—the relation of the employer aud thB employ e
—and be dealt with by legislation. The right hon. gen-
tleman having referred to the evils urged against the
present poor law system, said that he believed the nar-
rowness of the area of taxation in reference to the poor
bad worked beneficially for them, and he called upon
the house to support the present parochial system by

rejecting the bill. He moved its second reading this day
six months. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BYNG supported the amei intent.
Sir B. HALL opposed the bill: He considered too t
of the in-qualities complained of arose from local m ••
management with reference to the valuation of the pro-
perty and the assessments resulting therefrom.
Mr. J. LOCKE (Southwark) spoke in favour of the
bill. He complained of the taxation of the metropolis
generally, and urged that the right hoe. gentleman (Sir
B. Hall) ought to bare investigated the cut jest be fore he
laid on fresh taxes by the passing of the Metropolitan
Board of Works Act. He defended the course pur,ued
by the bon. and learned gentleman the member fur the
Tower Hamlets, and in reply t a the retort of the right
hen• gentleman the President of the Poor-law Board, he
reminded the house that great changes were often made
under a menace, and be instanced the passing of •he
Corn-laws—(,o, no)—Catholic Emancipation, etc.,
but he (Mr. Locke) did
nots.o approve i
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ems,
. He
eas content to rent the c
none
of which had been disproved, and he had hoped that
this bill would hare been
re! ad a second time, and re-
ferred to a select committee. The principle of equalisa-
tion cf rating in the metropolis had been adopted
ibyth•
house in passing the bill of the right h
(Sir B. Hall). By that bill Southwark :la's g teen): edm faorti.
Meryiebone, and the Tower Hamlets for Wee3minster
and the whole cf the metropolis for the benefit of the
whole. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Locke) contended that
the came principle aepLed to an equalisation of rating
for the maintenance of the poor. It was very simple to
strike an average to be collected from the respective
parishes within the metropolitan area. Referring to tb•
pelitior s that ha I been presented in favour of and against
the measure, the hornand learned gentleman said no peti-
tion had been presented in its favour from Marylebone,
but not because Marylehone was averse to meetings.
(Hear.) The names of Mr. D'lffenger and Mr. Nicholay
were eo often put foreverd iu connection with meetings
in that parish as showed they were not myths, and he
believed the reason why a petition had not been pre-
sented from Maryleboee was in consequence of the use
of the vestry hal being refund the inhabitants for that
purpose.
Mr. MILLER oljected to the second reading of the
bill on the ground that it violated the principle on which
taxation ought to rest, viz., givirg those who paid taxes
a share in their disposal.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said be had come down to the
house with tee intention of supporting the second read-
ing, but after what Lad been stated in the course of the
debate l• di übted if anything would be gained by cut •
mit.ing this measure to a select committee. He recom-
mended the hon. and learned gentleman not to proceed
further with this de'ective measure.
After some remarks from Mr. AYRTON, who said
he would introduce the subject again next session,
The second reading was withdrawn and the order dis•
charged.
PATENT LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE moved the second reading of
this bill. Its object wade to reduce the fees for taking
out a patent about one-half. Before 1852 it cost between
300/. and 4001., and afterwards it was reduced to its pre-
sent amount of 1751. Ie committee, if the Pecs were
placed at too low a figure it could be altered.
Sir J SHELLEY seconded the motion.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said if the bill bad
proposed to reduce the fees of the few officers ef the
strewn he should not have opposed it. ;.Tae bill, hLweve-,
coatained two prey siens, one wi:h reference to 'tee,
and another, a ternp'e mode for Increasing the bueinese
of patent age, te, in making worthless applications,
which he thought oljectionahle. The reduction of the
fees as proposed woul l cause a deficiency of 10,000/. t-,
he made weal out of the Cinsoltdated Fund. A.
surplus of 7,0001, Lad accrued, which it was proposed to
be expended in the erect on of a suitable building on a
piece of land near the S,uth Kensington Museum for
the reception cf models of patent,, bonke, &c., to be
opened free to artisane, which it would be necessary to
keep up. All the !e is taken were paid into the Cense).
lidated Fund, and regranted by Parliament for the pur-
poses if the Patent OEce. Too surplus wool I be re-
quired for the above purpose, and he did not think they
could be better applied than in keeping up such an
estaldi:henent. He moved the second reading cf the
bill this day six menthe.
After some remarks from Mr. T. Dane:3llll)e, S'r J.
Shelley, and Mr. Bevill,
The second reading was negatived without a division.
REFORMATORY SCHOOLS (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. Sergeant DEASY moved the second reading of
this bill. Its of kot was to extend to Ireland the benefits
of those measures that had been found of so much advert-
;age to England and Scotland.
Lord NAAS assented to the second reading of the
bill. Though foe approved cf the principle be did not
pie Ijo himself to its detail -. He did net, however,
think the necessities in Ireland were so great for so :11 A
measure as in England. Jurenee delinquency wee not
so great in Ireland as in England, and he was afraid it
would encourage vagrancy in Ireland, and get children into
these schools. He thought it was their duty t i pre vent
juvenile crime, and he re-grated to say that the prisons
of Ireland were no better than echo, is for the propaga-
tion and dissemination of crime. (Hear.) He believed there
were ample means at present in existence in Ireland for
checking juvenile crime, if properly carried out. The
prison enteipliee of that country required thorough in-
vest:gation and improvement.
11ir. BAGWELL spoke in f :yew of the measure, and
defended the manner in which the Irish prisons we re
regulated.
Lori NAAS explained—Hia remarks referred to the
want of the separate system.
Mr. BAGWELL said juvenile criminals must be con-
fined, and he thought it was better to keep them in re-
formatories than in prisons.
Mr. HATCHELL supported the principle of the hill.
Mr. LEFLOY also supported the bile
After some ternar'es from Mr. STAPLBTON and Mr.
DEASY,
The bill was read a second time.
STAMP DUTY ON PASSPORTS.
Mr. HAMILTON obtained leave to introduce a bill
to reduce the stamp duty on passports.
BURIAL GROUNDS (NIETROPOLIS).
Mr. H. BERKELEY moved fir an address f.r re-
turn of all burial grounds (listinguishing consecrated
from unconsecrated) which still remain open fur irate r-
ment, on let Jar., 1858, within the limqs of the " Be-
rn!le e ithin the Metropolis Act," their (vent in area;
the riutni.er of interrneeits which have taken place in each
during the year 1857 ; the number of bodies buried in
each grave (not being a private grave) ; and the date of
closure of such as are• under any order for immediate or
future closure.—Agreed to.
The house adj atrneil at five o'coek.

POLICE INTFILIGENCE.—(This Day.)

MARLBOROUGILSTREE r.

ATTFIIPT TO OBTAIN MONEY BY FALSE PRETENCES
FROM THE DuKr, or NORFOLK.—Michad Maguire, a
cl rk, c f G, Warwick-road, Pimlico, was charged by
Hereford, the Mendieity Society's officer, with endea-
vourir g to obtain money from his Grace the Duke of
Norfolk, in St. James's-Fume, by false preteectit.
His Grace said that he received a le ter some days
signed "Michael Maguire," asking for as.istance,
upon the pica that the writer had obtained chiefly by the
exertion of the Rev. Mr. Cotter, a situation as booking
clerk on the railw•.3, at Wicche ter. Subsequently he
saw the prisoner at his house, and he said he was the
writer of the letter. He gave him tee certificates en-
closed in the letter, and told the prisoner if he intended
to do any hing ter him, he should hear from him.
The 11ev. Mr. Cotter, of St. George's, Southwark,
said he was not the wri er of the letter, and that he did
not know any other person of that name. In 1851 the
prisoner made an application to him concerning a ritita-
tion as Looking clerk, at Winchester, on the railway.
He saw him afterwards, and he said he had not suc-
ceeded. The prisoner carte to him, showed hi* his
papers, and he assisted him to go to Brighton, at the
same time giving him a letter curtaining money to de-
liver, which the prisoner never did. The certificate
prcduced was in his handwriting, but the date it bore
1857 was not the original date, which was 1851. He
had seen nothing of the prisoner for the last few years.
The prisoner had used the certificate for the purpose of
obtaining money by false prctenc,s of several noblemen
and gentlemen.
Horeford, the Mendicity officer. Ivsi,ted by Webb,
took prisoner into custody, and found on the prisoner a
number c f papers and letters from noblemen is which
the original dates had been altered. He bad known the
prisoner for six or seven years.
The prisoner said he had cent a friend to Mr. C
altered
with the certificate bearing date 1851, to get it
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