The Sun.
London, England, 1858-06-29 00:00:00

at the time and is the pieces were they were most etjece
tionable, namely, in the college chapele. If any of their
lordships went into a cathedral on one of the days ose-
which these services were held they would find that th.
attendance was almost confined to those *ho were hired.
But it was said that they might get rid of these restvioesO
without the process which the law prescribed ; ehae
they were binding merely by royal oruclamation ; an*
the royal proclamation, it was said, Lad uo (um inlay/.
But, it that was the ease, what position was it in which
they placed the sovereign of these realms" Would they
say that at the beginning of every reign the sovereign
should be called tomn tai ieeue a preelatnatices that had.
no force of law I He denied that it had no fume if law.
Then it was said that these eervicee were aht binding
heceuee they were contrary to tee Act of Uniformity.
Was it desirable that the sovereign should, at the be.,
einnieg of every reign, limier a proclaMetiOn whic/a
large portion of the ceintromity believed to be contrary
to the Act of Uniformity ? herald • give his vote
most heartily for this reeolutiou, which he was clad had
the support, of Lis most reverend friend the Primate,
It was not dtairable that when they approaose i God
one word atutuld drop tram their lips which
was likely to cal: forth fertliuge of hid:gnat:on on
the part of a poi thin of their fellua-citizens. With re.
Ward to the meetice relating to the trifortuproe Charles,
he won! I observe that when people read an exaggerated
eitetemeet, they were somehow always inclined to take
the opposite side. He begged that their lordships would
consider 'hie question as one of very great gravity in.
cited. Was it desirable that the church ehould exhibit
itself as using empty tortes, which these services bad'
really 1:moon:lel
The Duke of MARLBOROUGH said it was perfectit
true that the eerviee to which his nobielriend had ars:
bided could not be eltegether defended, as far as their
expreashrns were concerned; but he creuld have wished
that the motion should have been modified in some way.-
Tnese services were net to be looked upon solely in the'
words in wilier' they were cimipeeetrit but as marking the.
feelieg of the pentiiii of t his country for those great Acta
of &live rants which Gud bad vouchsafed to the nation,
and he thought they were wertny te be retained as me-
moriale of 'those event,, which ought to be kept in t weft
leetion. The acts of parliament, it they did not enact
their speeitil services, enacted that these Crest event*
libeled be kept in tneinury. He thought the tnotioti
should be soaltered that these services, which no reasons
able person could defend altogether, ehould yet be tree.
Weed in a modified fem. The noble cell said the erre
vices ought to be discore jetted, beesutee of the objection-
ahleuese cf some of the expressions; but if they admitted
that argeesetnt, they tenet say that the whole of the ser-
vices ought to be reue,delled; and indeed the noble earl
tart .the motion way but a ct-p to further alteratiotee
and it it were only on thitt groan.), be should ask their
lordshiph not to agree to this motiou.
The Bishop of BANGOR said they should consider
there stirviree as emarnting from the Crown, knd as or.
dered by the Crown, lie considered this a question whe-
ther we should or should not adore the supetintending—
pewer of the Almighty in granting, to tot the blessings
which we enjoyed as a nation, and ',until ate ourselves
for forcer tins and transgretetione. He had no doubt
thaettey bed at one time thought very hue cf these
circtitusiancee and when they were at the Univer-
city they thought very little e f these cirenteetancee ;
but when they considered the origin of these services
they nctst,.he thought, form a different opinion. He did
not defend all the exprestions in these services, or say
that they could not be altered, modified, and improved,
but upon the whole he said they were such as the pious
in the land &add use without echni le. They mutt re-
member that these cervices were important as men:mails
of some of the moat Important events in the history it
the country, some of the greatest deliverances which
they had experienced as a nateein, and they exert:erred
that humiliation which they must feel at the wring sins
of their forefathers. The noble earl hail roads objection
to the t zzpoessi.n " the martyr Charles the First," The
fact teat that King Charles lost his life for the Church
of Enghird ; and that was why he was called King
Charles the martyr. These were not obsolete services,
but they were full ef ittertir and power: it they ex.pnneed these services they would be discilimicg the
previdence and po ter of God.
The Bishop of OXFORD wart quite sure that if they
beleVe4 that iia.assentiny to the proposition of the noble
earl they were in any degree denying or losine sight of
their coetirued belief in God's supointeediug tint-
dence uvsr the nation, er the remembrances of errors in
times past, Let etly he but every other member of their
lordships' house would at once reline to enter a U this
motion, But he could not consent tie the propteeitien
which hid been laid down toy his t ieht reverend friend, he.
cause ttis.ro wero two points widen they should Heise in
vie e. Toes first was, whether they ebettill retsib •ervicee
for hey phst events ; but the other, the prectieelquestion
fer them weve eh:atter these services shenlel be regarded
as the prerher e thponents eatitual gratitude and ta-
tioLal hutnilia ion, and be for one meta but so accept
Vetere services.. Teey teemed to him to bay, a different
tone from arty of the ether prayer of the Church of Eng-
land ; they Lad noti ing of the clt, teen-d d,votion which
heed characterised the services of the Church of t neland
from the earlieet titeee of the Cnrietien church. He did
not think these set vices could hit amended. These ser-
vices wide cirected to be need, but practically they Were
disused, and notting could be sconce than that. He
would not trouble their lordships at that hour of the
night with any other reason why they asked the Queen
to remove tii.he services fruits the ereyet-book. \ties it
the act of Parlitmeet or the procitintetion that they
wished to resumed
The Earl STANHOPE—Both.
Tee lithop of OXFORD said he did tot agree wi b
thee. These .116 rtes» remained on the ,-cal ute book AA tee-
thnotiee of r atter-al 'vetoed., tett they should be tett
there. Tfor acts of Parhiantelit did mit elder theeetereicte,
but simple eft, cted that the days should be held in rt..
tcembrett.cc. Oae said the meriting prayers should be used
—and the n there was by royal }AOC:atria:inn added to
them these 'services. He hid not think that the people
could now sincerely use the ezpreesioree c f humiliation
which these tier vices centeined, and he thought the ser-
viese ot the Umuch should contain nu expression which
the people did trot really had in oleed feel—there.
fore ne agreed in this motion, It ebouh.l be disfeictly
understood that there was in this no altersVois of
the Bhok of Common Prayer. I; had been said that
this motion was only for en ireitalitient of other
amendments, but be thought it was one of those motions
whieh would prevent ett.trs being brought forward.
He looked upon the Beek of Common Prayer as Otte
of the greatest bleteings. oit Liturgy had been termed
tritm the earliest thee. of the Christian church,
and we inherited it free front t}'.- eereta iieet , -nee
modern times. the. rh tereetiipe did.
ere t torh the. /..,foes, of o,ratnon Prayer. The services
teterred to w-re a mere annexation to thh Book of Com•
mon Prayer, by virtue of the prealaanutien of the trove•
reigr, mid tutglat be removed and lesthe the Prayer book
jest the came as befure they v ere amiss-d to it. But
there was one part of the motion which he wished to
se a!tered. It inclivied the services for the accession
of her %jetty, and payed her Majesty tee issue a new
ptociatnetton. He should be content to leave that ger- .
vice as it now stood. Be thought their lorciabirm ought
to pause before taking any new step to give new autho-
rity, sad should be sorry tie see, in answer to the address,
a proclamation altering tent service, unless it was to be
used, lie thought it desirable there should be a service
of praeor acid thanksgiving for the accession of the sove-
reign. fle doubted riot twit the prayer of the nation
antually offered up fel: the sovereign drew down blest
ring.. upon the throne of that, sovereign ; but care ought
to be taken to reader the service fit f r the oecasion,
nrd one which could be used uniformly, Lie thought me
short addition to the service need on the Sunday nearest
the day of accession would he the most desirable course
to adopt ; but at present ha his opinion it would be bet-
ter not to mention that service in the address, and he
would eugeeet that the metier* should be confined to
the other three services,
The Bishop of CASHEL believed that nearly all the
well-thinking and eealone members of the Church of
England 'end Ireland desired to see these services re-
moved from the Prayer-boob, always remembering that
they were trot a part, of the Prase;-book at all. h
Lord CAMPBELL expreseed his satiefaction at the
matinee in which the motion had been received by their
lordships, and said be believed the change now proposed
eon" render the Prayer-book still dearer to the mem-
bers of the united churches et' England and Ireland.
Their lordships yore now asked to agree to do
f smelly thet which for so needy yews bad been done
!Woman,. There was ahother thing %teethe; to cont•
pl•te the oljtct ehitth his tat le friend (E4rl Star-
tepee) had in view. Their lordships acre aware
that the dai'y prayers in 01.4 bone inclnied words rw
hieing to the Gunpowder PLO Be had spoken to sots-
-14 of the right rev, prelates on the Kul ject, end no one
was able to tell him how tea words pit into the eervioe,
or how to get them out. He trusted they wonld
eider sonic entities by which the services might be is- •
lies, el froth those wwds.

Tee E.ll of MA LNIESBURY did not ri•e to oppos•
the motion of the noble earl, but thought he was sot
taking the best course to eccomplish bit object. Hsaa-
tirely niffered.frorn those who wished the nets a ParHi-
!nem to rectum as menvirials of the times whiub had
been referred to. It theft acts, of Parliament had pro-
duerd these proclatuatioes ho thought they were very
obj,-ctiorab:e, and could not understand why the cam*
should be retained and Van illeet he abolished. Us
thought the noble earl, ir;stead of inviT.ing her Majesty
to repeal the prociann,tons, ought to endeavour to re-
peal the ..tat.aes, and then, the proclamations would fell
to the ground. B 5 pursuing such a course an oppottu-
nity would be afforded to the other house of expressiai
its opinion ; but, as the matter now stood, the tocuen
wouli only be an expression of the opinion of their lord-
ship.

B'shop of ST. ASAPII beaded to say that hie
tight rev. brother, the Iliehop of Bangor, did not eland
alone in his objections to the motion, for he himself felt
bound to protest ageinmt it.
Lord REDESDALE thought it mat deairehle that
the prayer which t(hti been rf-fetrtd t‘i by the noble and
learutd lords shot Id be expunged Irotu toe daily service
of the boos.
The words oljec'ed to by the Bishop ( f Oxford
havirog been struck out, the motion, as amended, vrai
put and Enireezi to.
UN4VERSI 'us' AND COLLEGES' ESTATES'
BILL.
This bill trac read a second time.
Their lordships then adjourned at a quarter before
%lee o'clock,

ROUSE OP COMMONS Y
ESTEBD AY.
FOUR, COURTS (DUBLIN) EXTENSION BILL.
Thin Lill was read a seuo&d time, and it:tarred to a
saect ccmmittee. .