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COUNTY OF SOMERSET.

A'MANOR, ROYAI.TV, andQuWilel FREEHOLD
ESTATK of nearly Twelves Hundred Acres, with Mo.;
tlern-huilt MANS FON on the same. .
FU,It SALE I3Y AUCTION, IN UNE LUT, '
• By Mr. ,PLUKA,

„
By Order of the Trustees ,of JOSHUA ,S CROP E. Esq.'
M the Exchange .in th city 'or liffiitql, on
7ruesday the 28th oe une inst. at 12 at Noon •
HE Voitrable., Manor. of EAST.HARP'i
REE ••
also the Royalty or Lordship of Richmond ; constitut.
ins; one of the three Lords Royal of .tehrlip t. OttenAnt Oirer
tljo several Parishes or ' East:Harptree, Westliarptre,!-,
Colllllioll-Nntillt Üblvy, and part or Pliddie, with right of
Mines anti 111inerins on the new: tin;1,,,,t1 Lands on Mendip in
those Parishes, ..with Court•Lect, Cuzirl-E..ron; and, other
Manorial Rights. '

And.good FREEHOLD LANDS; '
Containing Meven Ilutltlre.i ;Ind. Fit;hty-tivc measured
Acres, (principally in osiry Farms) well watered ; lett to
respectable Tenants, pdlrt on. Lease and part at Will, making ,
a nett Rental of li'LI:VEN, IiONI)RED
,and t I FTY
POUNDS a Year or thereabouts, Tomtit, pay in.:- 1....411(1-13X,
and, all oitt4oings. ) Together with Ten Leasehold (:,itt3iles,
Outhouses, and tlarrietts, imikisig a further 'quantity of
Twelve Acres of Land; 1114 yearly v.slue of which t, Sixty
Pounds, or thereabouts. • .
On a Most desirabfe part ot, the 'E:date is a Park of 4t
Acres of Land, with a serpentite Watlk, :Lod thick Shrub-
buy planted round the same. lias lately bets erected, ;tar
Ck..gint FREESTONE MANSION-HOUSE, r5O t'eet in
Protu, containing a Dining'Parlour. Pict by 3z leer, a Li-
brary of Sinte Dimensions, with Dia%ying.t9t',ni, Study,
Breakfast' Parlour, Entratiee-hall, elegant light Suit-case,'
city Mal-chambers, and suitable Aimittueuts, itclt4lr, 11411,
net other interior Offices ;.StAbllng for la liorses, double
Coach-hou4e, Szc. conveniently detached Barn, and Other
outhotises.

The (;ardent; being spaoiotts are wad round, and well
cropped, and. the Fruit.treei of tits, best kincis are come to
lull boating. Their is a ncAir erccied large Grapc-houso,
with Summer Garden. tiou'ses; calcul3ttqt fur beauty Anti
Convepience. "

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'Cltts Royalty, nn an average uf seven Years, has produced
from the Lo ti... Lot .uf Caluniiiio and Lead, jOBl.. :as. 9W.
per Year ; and there arc jabr giotini.4 to espczt. a. very I...rge
Increa.-:vJar a succesbion ut year... • .
'Ha. Estate i 4 ill a dry, heatrity, and pleasant SiltUtioll,
rji!" 12 IliiiCi ulllri4tut, ii itulta. at Bah, and 7 IDTh.,O)e
Welk-, Set ; command.; hcautiful, .ricli, awl extc:isive.
Prohlietti of fertile Country ; iii a neii,,,hbonritairil t;iithiintabli:
and respeadtio.t abolloding with ti..iiiic, AChi v4ll atlaptcti
t,i .i Simit,mall, tieing a thie hunting Lountry. ~
Particulars arc now prating, amit will he scion lonteit ;
'll'l ;illvikAtion nit' hi..l in itle to I`.l;sri,. lirratri : and Mel.
ii .i , Wells; ;fir. Mil so S.-ako-1:3,t0n ; ,at 11r, aim I tall's,
,i icrindo,,,,ry . Anit ,Mr l'll.lrc.g,iil.l ; Altr..ri: 'lam of the
ii..!use, Patel +Zs a Idoitsi 14,;. rnay• be seen.

IMP ER [AL PAP.4IAIONT;

HOUSE OF PEEId.

THirt.spAr, JUNE 23.

CduZ:SEI. were finally heard relative to the important p.
peal, Tut:Lnitztsave,, er. LUSSONS and the ATTOR-
NEY GANER At.. After Which the LORD biIANCII.I„OR. in
a Speech of some lengtt,, eotered into a view rat-the legal
merits of the CaSe, and coecluited by itibinittieg a proposi.:
tion to the House, for the consideration of the judges who
attended on the occasion.
Lord OULGRAPP took occasion to deliver Fa sentiments
upon the case, His Lordship stated some legal eonsiderati,
ons, arising•theroaut, and couched In tour different preposi...
lions—which he wished might also be referred to the decriioxi
of the judges!.
This proposal led to an explanatory conversation between
his Lordship 4nci• the NOble and Learned Lord Gh.the Wool.
sack; the result of which was, an intimation from the latter,
that some part of what was proposed was of such a nature,
'as could not regularly be put to the leuitned judgeti ; andebet
other parts thereof 'were, in tilled, comprehended in the pro.
position originally liebillittLd.
The origins! Motion was teen, as we could collet, w t
some alterations proposed, and orderer by their Lordships, 14
biticferred to the vonsideratioo of the Judges.
further eamoderatien. of the ease was then adjourned
to the 1 itti or July.
The Bills before the lfouse.werc forwarded in their rupee
sive stages.
The Bribery Oath Bill was referred to a Committee of the
whole Hotise, and After a few observations, from Lord ,
vaenev, and the Logo Cilistress.t.ort, evincing the pro.
priety and necessity of the measure, it was agreed to wit lii,ut
4rDthid Men t, and ordered td. be reported to-morrow.
Their Lordships then resolved into a committee On vie
Sureties Convidtori Bill, (4 measure proposed by Lord Silk T.
1-1.0 when, ,
Lord ELLSNIIOROLICrIi 341-tressed the Committee at
scene length, and urged a variety at stein% and pointed ob•
je4iions, chiefly of a legal enure against the provisions of
the 11111, '.['our re:ltrieted limits do not allow us to go into-the
least detail] His Lordship seemed hostile to all the clauses
ofehe: kill except the last clause, and that he thought n:.-
quit4d amendment, as going Lett= than his Ideas U,pen the
point.
Lard rillEl4l,El-1) was sorry that the Noble and Learned
Lord had taken the trouble to make the oblervations be had
done, as he vva. just about to propose a clause, tentlieg to
what lie thought would remove all these objection-i. • His
wish was, that the Bill ahotild be printed with seeit amend-
ments,. and let 1;4 over fur consideration until the next
Sion, He contended that some legislative provisions vk _re
necessary on the occasion.
. The LORD Ca ANCELLifit claimed his opinion upon the
stihjea, and expressed his acquiescence in the greater watt
,of what fell trom,his Noble and Learned Friend.

Lords ALvANLEy and RADNOS delivered their sentiments,
and Lords F.l4.l.74liultoVGltaridSliarVlELD spoke severally
in explanation; after 501)1k: further conversation, it was
agreed by the Committee, as we ritulerstood, that the Clauses
with the exceptions of the lasr, should be exptinged ; and
that the Hosse shthtld,again go into a Committee on the Bill
to-morrow, when the p!oposed theratiog in the remaining
Clause with which his Lordship was not then fully prepared,
should be communicated by Lord KNISORO it.

CL.ERCY REsiDENcE BlLt..
The Order of the Day respecting this Bill being read: tht
further consideration of the Iceport was resumed, and tic
amendments discussed. . •

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tne course tit. a very ldng and desultory conyersation, in
which the 14Qitiv CHtkNeEt.LOR, Lards GR&NVII.I.I
ALVA NI. f.Y iiritt the Bishops of LONDON and ST. A3aTrt
were the prinLipal S r...akers., a great number of the Amend.
ments were agreed to, others proposed and borne of them
altered ll by the House—ln the Clatte of Exemptions, a nun,-
ber of which were strongly. oppo:ied by Lord Grcs,Nvti.LF,
The n:nne (ditto Chaphin 'General' of ilia Majesty's Forces
was exptinsed out of' t trg. List—on, Division ot. 8 ro s r anti
the or the Pwressor at tfresharnCptlege; ttlisO 'on trtsr rocr,
tion of Lord Ctt :.•N v i t.:. r., W !i expunged without a division.
The consideration of certain Clauses, &e. being in the count,
Of the discussion postpone4tileir Lordships ordered the ke.
port to he further considered to.robrtQw, and at 10 Mllll4tt`,;
belb4e Twelve the House adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

THURSDAY, JUNI 23.

. ,
Mr, MORI is-took the Oaths; and his Seat for Newport.
The Woollen Clothiers' Bill was ordered to be read it third
time on Wediwaday.

The fionse we►►t into a Committee on the Highland Road
and Bridge Bill i the Report was ordered to be received to-
morrow.•

Tht: SECRET AR Y at Wait moved for leave to bring in a
Bill to atiginatt ti,c Otunber of FielthOftleera In the Militia.
—Leave given. •
SECRa'r A Y at Wt.& Afterwards brought up the Bin,.
which was read a first time:

A Person tioni the LiSt India Company presented some
Accounts respecting the East India Company's Shipping...
Ordetrat to Ile on the 'Faye. _ _

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The Order of the bay being read for the second
reading of the-

ARMY OF RESERVE BILL.

Mr..CALCRAFT said, .that being of opinion
that this Bill would not answer the purposca for
which it was intended, he should not do his duty if
he did not state
,his sentiments upon it. He,tbought
that before, the Secretary at War brought forward
this treasure, which was admitted to be only a part
:of a larger:system of defence, he ought to have
Stated the whole of the plan which Government had
in view, not nnly to provide a force for dviensive
hut offensive operations; 'he meant that they ought
to have stated the means they meant to adopt lOr
recruiting the Regular Army. The necessity of
filling up- the ,Regiments of the Line, which clad
excellent. and experienced 'ollipers, was generally
admitted,,•,but if so,ooo•men more were to be taken,
out of the population, of the Country for defenawc
intipases ;dime, it ought to lie stated how the Regi,
meats, of the Line, were to be filled up for o;rensive 4".
Orti riOrSo - For his own part, so convinced was
he of the necessity of cOmpleting the Regular Army,
that he would icaniur in any measure, however
'strung, 'for that purpose,. he would even have re.
codrse to balloting fur that purpose, if it could not
be done by i)ouNiei. His gteat oljetf.tion there.
fore .to this measure was, that it would Ahrow tiae
greatest impediments in the way of recruiting. fot
the Line. It, had. been admitted that •a sufficient
number of men could nut be raised' for the Regulars
by bounties; .the case, it would ;In rte.
cessary to have recourse to a ballot,, aria it wnuld
.be better to have recourse to that in tht fitir
stance, than after eobooo men had been tal,o) fium
the population of the Country, merely for the Tor-
poses of defenee. Every body concurred in Olink
log thatrhe War ought to be eatritti on
gout,, and certainly the beginning of the \I! at teat,
the time for • vigorous offensive operations, lid.ire
the enemy _coold have time to secure his volelrvijie
points.: He-Concltkied with making vo.
tions Upon drat fell fturn Mr. Wualharn rt%::

the Militia ; hedefended` them from what lie consi-
tiered as the sneers which the. Right Gentlethan
ba•i thrown out against them, and expressed the
highest Confidence in their, discipline ami,courage.
Mr. SHARIPAN- said, he rose to -deprecate
what he considered as a
.premature disetission upon
this• Bill : It was understood that it wars to he corn,
mitred, to up the blanks, and, then to be;recOm.
mitted and printed; he•wished therefore to avoid
any discussion until the Bill was fully and fairly
before the House. He hoped.-there would he- no.
• more invidious corriparisons or acrimonious ianguaAe
tespeding the Militia, though he admitted that
%c hat had been 'said by the' Hon: Gentleman- who
spoke last was in some degree, called. for by whit
had fallen.. from a Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. ,
WrNoitAit) on a former occasion •l-le hoped that
Gentle Men on all sides would occupy, themselves
only in augmenting the means of defeoce of. the
Country ; and he trusted that although the Com-
mittee which had sat .upon the King's -Message -had
not asked leave-to sit again, yet that some further
means of defenee would be adopted. He could not
help differing froth die Hon. Gentleman who spoke_
last, who said he would have no 'objeetion to bal-
loting for then to fill up the Regiments of the Lir`le.
He was sure the Hon. Gentleman would not upon
• refleattion think 'of forcing men into the Regulars,
who would' then be at the disPosal'of the Crown,
and wro might be sent abroad upon any service
that w. ,s thought riper. The case was very dif.
ferent as far as respected the internal defence of the
Count ry.• Every man was boom'. to stand forward
for the:defence of the Country in case of Invasion,
at, the command of the Crown, or even the Sheriff; .
but it woad he ‘Too much to force • men by ballot
into the Regalars to serve during their lives. He
declined at present entering into any further obser.
vat ions upon the Bill, as a Inure regular time would
covie for discussing it.
'Mr. CALCR AFT, in explanation, said,. that if it
Was necessary to fill up'the Regiments of-the Line,
ana if that could. not be done by bounties, recourse
must be had to stronger measures.
Sir G. IIEATLIC,OTE argued upon the necessity
of adopting strong measures 'of defence, and note.
to wait till the Enemy had landed.. As to the
rising en masse, he considered it• as nonsense._ If
people were' afraid to meet the danger, lie should
have but a gloomy rasped of ;he safety of. the
• *Country.
Mr. W. ELLIOT said, his objeaion
to the Measure was, that it would go to prevent
the establishment,of a large, Regular Force.- This
he considered as nel:essary for the future safety 91
the Country. It was' the only e forc that was fit
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for offensive operations, and certainly ,the best for
defensive ; for certainly a well-timed aggression was,
-in many cases, the best means of defence. This-
was so obvious, and so generally admitted, that it
was not'necessary for him to press it any farther.-

He knew that this COontry could not have the same

Military Force that another Cotintry.of equal,po.
pulation could have, The extent of her Navy tuck
41way rutny men from the Army, besides the gene.
x 4 prosperity of the Country, its opulence, and the
m extent of its anufadures, were many reasons why
irsi, Army could not be recruited like those of other
Countries. But he thought the experiment of re.

cruitiog had never fairly been•tried, because when.
ever they tried to ger a large force for the Regular
Army, it was always sure to be counteratted by
raising a large force also for domestic service; and
while ten guineas bounty was.given for Troops of
- the Line, 'fifteen' guineas. at least, .and sometimes
snore, were given for the Militia service so that
the people of this Country were taught to look for
large bounties. There was a great diversity of
opinion about the Militia. He confessed lig was a
friend to the principle of the Militia, and‘he: was
afraid there was a shade of difference of opinion
upon this point between, him and his Right Hors—
ietvl (Aily.W N 011 A. NO, Mr. WI No tt4t seemed
tit italic ..ate by his manner,
,that there was no Alif.
.feretwe Of_opinioty between them:]-1-le was glad
that he did not differ from ltis Right Hon.. Friend ;
•but though he wag/a friend •to the general principle
Athe.Militia, he certainly never would have con.
..aentekt, to inetease: it beyond its origiOal number
of 30,t200 met!: It had been said, that 10,000
m en'tinght 6e raised. in this way; without'
feting with recruiting for the Line ; he admitted
this might-be tort, if they were raised by ballot;
Irit if' they were !raised-by bouhty, it certainly
would interfere with it. He trusted. that the
Cuveroment would see the impropriety of raising
.nicn' for a limited time, and that they would never
Rave recoutse tb the pradice of drafting. He.was
,of opinion that we should tit last be obliged to have
recourse to balloting to fill up the Regiments of the
Line, for they must be filled op, and he-did not see
that it. would be produfflve of more inconvenience
than the present measure. . The safetyof the Coun.
try would be risked, if they did opt meet an itivad.
lug Enemy with the'bell Force that could be pro'. '1
,cared. That , the Militia.would upon- that, and
excl.)/ other OCCafrio,ll, be found full of courage and
of enthusiasm, he had no doubt, but it certainly
would he necessary to mix „them with a very large •
proportion of.Regolar Troops., The case of AMetica
had, upon a former occasion, been.alluded.to, and it
was said that the American' Militia were able to
face Regular Troops-butthe case of Amevica wit
extremely different from that of Etigland.' In Ames,
rica the nature cif thecountry was better calculated
for Irregular. Troops. That the Anierican Troops
were very good ones after. three or foin campaigns,
ire adtnitted, and so would the Militia of England
with the' same experience, be equal to any Veterans
-upcin Earth, though ha confessed he 'should be very
sorry that they should be taught in:that manner.
Scotland had always furnished e of the best and,
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bravest:lroops to our Army, and certainly afforded
the best 'means of recruiting from the eXistente of
'clanships, &c. but in. order to prevent, as it were,
rectal:ling in that Country, a Militia. was formed,
and 6oco men werelocked,up.in it. • In Ircland he
girl not doubt but that a large Force would be ob.'
wined, atid,•by the 'means ofbaboting, though they
were 'told 'some time ago, that balloting in that
country was iinprotticable. At the'close of the last
War, the 'tvlifitia,of Ireland was disbanded, and
1X en:6r wai established„ but it was not to
leave was said; itulet:d, that they would
t• lui;;'eur their bcrvi-&'a to thi4,Countty, but he had

rather, for many reasons, that it should be a matter
of original stipulation,' than of kilontary offer. If
we were to persist 'in this timid,- irresolute system,
apinst an Enemy who was all; vieouvand enter_
prize ; he ,worthl not say he wotild.deSpair, because
he hoped such a sentiment would never enter his
breast, but he confessed his hopes would be very
much depressed. He saw 'no reason-why- this tne.a.
sure waspot brought forward at a much earlier period.
Ministers ought to have been* prepared 'in-Mardi.
When the King's Message was. brought forward;
they ought
,to have begun to prepare in. November,
When they detected Militart Spies who were
sent into the Country—they 'ought to • haVe been
preparing in December, instead of amusing the Pub-
lic with delusive accounts of the state of tire Finance,
and holding out_prospeds of a reduced Race Esta.
blistonent. They ought, in short, to have been_
preparing ever since the Treaty, of Amiens, for it
appeared by His Majesty's Declaration, that from
that time the conduit of France had' been one series
of insult and violence, lie concluded with expres,
sing his disapprobation of the 'present measure, for
the reasons he had already stated, :and because it
seemed as if Ministero'..were determined 'to tread
hack the errors which had prevailed in our Military
system. •
Th. SECRETARY at WAR said, he dicrenter-
tails the hope that Gentlemen would have delayed'
the discussidn upon this 'Bill till the blanks ;were
filled up, till it was pTinted, in: shore, till the Bill
was fairly before the House ; if that course had been
adopted, much of this discussion would have been
avoided, because if they had waited till they_ had seen
-the Bill, they would have seen that there was no
foundation for many of the objedions which had
been made. Ile however achnitted, that Gentlemen
were justified, if they thought proper, in discussing,
the Bill in this stage. The Hon. Gentleman who
had spoken .last, had spoken' of treading back our
former errors, but how this measure, which was new
'in its principle and unprecedented in its extent,
could be called treading back* our fornier errors, he
could ritCop6eive, The Hon. Gentleman.had also
complained that this plan was ill_timed, and that it
ought to have been prodticed sooner. Upon this
'point be did not think .that the Hon. Gentlemati
-washothe out by His Majesty's Declaration, but he
contended, 'that ever since the conclusion of the De.
finitive Treaty. of Peace, every measure had been
adopted, consistent with the pradiee of this Court.
' try, to keep the Army and the Navy upon a large
' establishment. It was Open to the Hon., Gentleman
who spoke last and his Friends, to come forward
hist Session,, and to have declared their sentiments,:
if they did not think Ministers were'doing enough
for the security of the Counr:y. It. certainly. WWI
not incumbent upon them to.come down and propose -
measures, 'it it was open to them;
,-nay, it was •
illicit-duty to deliver their opinions -upon the mea.
-sures which Ministers proposed., He:now came to
:those observations which had been mask 'respeding
the advsntage. of a Regular Army. Nobody, he
believed, .ever asserted that a Regular Arm.. was
not the .best ;bot the Hon..Genilcman had • himselfi
stated the reasons why Wetcould.not have as large
*a Regular Army as other Countries of equal popula.
tion. The insular Situation of the Country, its
civil and commercial occupations, its opulenCe, the
circurnstance of our not having any internal War for
above a century ; these were all reasons why we
could not have so large a Regular Army as other
Countries differently situated.; The Honourable
Gentleman had said, that the ReCruiting Service
'had not:been fairly tried ; to ibis he could only '
say, that the contrary was thel'ad ; a great, deal
had been done upon this pointe7The Honourable
Gentleman seemed to think that it was a compe.
titian of bounties that kept men from the Re-
gular Service ; this he denied ; in point of , it
was not money that got soldiers for the Regular
service; men enlisted for many' reasons, some
because they wanted 'to 'go abroad, some: because
,they wished to remove from the place where they
were, and to change their situation ; in short they
enlisted for 'many reasons-beside that of Money.—
In the course of the last year the 'number of Re
cruits obtained for the ,Army was equal to,. the
average number gerierallyobtained, and in the last
or, 6 months, the number had been greater,
although the: recruiting for the Militia was also
going on. The recruiting for the Army was now
going on successfully (Mr.*EotaoT shook his head.)
The, Hon. Gentleman seemed to deny that proposi-
tion, and probably had better means of information
than he had, but as far as -he was able to judge,
his assertion was corral'. The number of men now
procured was upon an average as great- as had been
procured since the Treaty of Peace, that is
.to say,
from boo to r zoo' men per month. But it was
obvious that if a large force was immediately ne.
cessary, such as.force could not be, collaltil :in that
manner, and that-recourse must be had to some putter
means. It had.been said that we had not had recourse
to the measures that were adopted last tear, he cer.
tainly had the highest respediaod eireri-trenerrition,
for-the Administration of that time, hat still he
caild not-approve of all the measures which were ,
then' adopted. The Right Hon.. Gentleman then •
adverted to the Otte of the Army at diffeient pe.
clods of the last War, particularly in 1J96, and con.:
tended that it was such as ought not, to induce Gen.
tlemen to advise the adoption of a similar system.
TheAttestion now was simply this, what we ought
to do at, the preseot 'time, and under the preSent
dircumstaneei ? had undoubtedly a large, - a
very large Armyi•on foot, bat at, the same time, We'
were hard pressed on many pointer; and it was also
absolutely necessary that a large force should be'
raised, and he denied that they could be raised by
• recruiting, in the time which was necessary, for the
regular Army. ' Mgt it was said this was merely a,'
defensive system, and it was recommended. 'to bal..
lot for' the Army.- Upon this point be agreed with
an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. SIitRIDAN), and should
oppose such a measure open every constitutional=
principle. Every titan cues bound to stand forward'
'in defence of the couOtry in time of danger,. that
was the principle upon which the Militia was'
[bonded, and that was 'the principle upon Which he
contended this measure was .founded. wni a,
measure for the defence of the United Kingdom,‘,,-
tie Should thereforer'objed to the plan which had
been Suggested of balloting test the regular artily;
becaLoe'it was not regular, and because it was not ,

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constitutional. There was one thing he was !olty•
he did not mention, when he was opening this:mea-
&tire to .therHon'se, as it might have take- way
some, .though not all `.of the objeftions
I lota. Gentlemen had-made to ..this ;he ttkeant
the power which was to be given to men to enlist "
voluntarily from this force into the Regulars. It
..appeared to.him..not..t.o tw.nccos4ry to introduce a
- clause into. the Bill for that purpose, because if there
was no clause to pre-Vent It, as there was in the Mi.
litia. Laws, he conceived that the men_ would of,
course be tildwed to 'Volunteer' into the Regulars.--
If, . however, the House was olopinion that such an
affirniative clause ought to beintroduced, he had no.
objedion. The' Hon. Gentleman seemed to consi.:.
der Scotland as the Officinalllilitaim, and had con.
tended- that the establishment of a Militia q.tem,
there had prevented, recruiting ; . but he should
Coiled that the growing prosperity of that Coun-
try, operated as strongly against recruiting as iu
England. The Hon. Gentleman should also
le6l, that many of the Scotch Highlanders Were fur_
fished by London, and that there were perhaps as
many English and Irish as Scotch in these regiments.
ile .would not now take up more of the time of erne
House, he hoped they would consider this Bill, as
the best that,. under.all the circumstances; could be
adopted to raise the greatest number'of men in the
shortest time.

Hr. PITT said, he certainly viewed 'the cues.
tint in a very different point of view front the Hon.
Gentleman Who spoke last but one ; indeed it was
almost precisely upon those very points upon which
the Hon. Gentleman and his Friends opposed this
measure that he gave his assent to its general prin.
ciple, subjed. to those improvements which might he.
adopted when it came into a Committee. In his
general approbation of the principle of this Bill,
he'was the more confirmed by what had fallen from
his Right Honourable Friend who takitist sat down,'
particularly in the latter part of
,speech. He
considered this Bill as.being that wjlich appeared to
him to furnish the most pitimpt and efficacious me.
thud of providing for that which he considered as
our first want, a, large defensive force, and as lay-
ing the only sure: foundation of giving us, within a
reasonable time, that which he considered as neces-
sary in ,the.progresS of the War, he meant the pos-
session ola Disposable Force, to enable us to take
advantage of any opening that might occur to per-
mit us *to at offensively against the Enemy. If,'
however, he was which of these two oh.
he wished to see first accomplished, he would'
reply, with great submission .to those,whO.seemed
to have excluded- every other consideration from.
their minds hut that of offensive warfare, that A.:
though he wished, as much as any man, to see the
spirit of the Country raised—though he wished not
only ttisee the atteMptS of the Enemy repelied,but his
presumption chastised—though he wished not only
to see'hl4 'designs frustrated, but his. insolence pu-
nished, his power reduced, and' his inearis curtailed,
yet he must say, that at such a moment as the pre.
sent, we Must take counsel front prudence, as well as
from spirit ; .our fitst °Wed, hoth,in cirdif.of time,
mid in ordet of reason, ought to be that of lief-ending
ourselves, before wexoncurred- in-the-plans of those
Hon. Gentlemen, for irtilidint *Vingeitice Trr' the
aggressioni and insults which we had: sustained
It we were so romantic as to say, that the obtaining
a defensive force, which would he sufficient to (Hs-
appoint the proud expedations of the 'Enemy, *was
a consideration below our notice ; if to "ensure our-
safety against an Enemy who had compered, t-erri.
fied:and oppressed one- half of Europe, was a task.
too humble for us to stoop it' was' thought
that. we had better add to the list of 'his- Victims,
if we could not le enrolled as his Conquerorsif
Gentlemen carried their sentiments of heroism to
that extent, they would certainly be justified in op-
posing, this Bill ; but he confessed such were 'not
his sentiments.' He therefore begged leave to.state,-
that without renouncing active and offensive opera.
tions in due tithe, he was content
.to 'ste. that vi.
gornus efforts were now Made ro ensure the defence
of the Country. Nay, he would go further, and would
say, that if he could not otherwise provide for the,
effedual. Security of these Kingdoms, he vicoild
'do It oven at the cost Of:all offensive operations .
for the future,. Therefore, if this alternative WAs
put to:him—you cannot in two months proVide a
Regular Army for geoeial service, 'but you can
in that time provide a force amply sufficient for the .
defence. of this Island,- (even it it were true, which
he denied, that the procuring of this force would
prevent you ioftiture from ading beyond the limits
of the Island), he would without hesitation adopt
it.; he would make this, Island a proud exectirtion
from thealiame and oppiessiOn Whiehovcrwitelnied
the Continent,(though in some cases it was riot their
Own fault,) rather than preniaturely indulge in-tda'ris
of offensive operations. Whayevetwas the number cif
of our flames now, and he believed it was mote than
double what We evcctiad at the cooonencement of
a. War, if we 'wanted to add to that Force ~iococoo,.
or 126,060 men • to secure the defence'of these King-
dom,, and if .that, number of men vould be obtained
for litnited, though they could, not be obtained for
general service,' and if we should at-the same time
have ruin' titteatening tis, at our very doors, he
would rather submit to what some Ge»tlemen .con-
sidered. is degrading concessions, and make our
internal security our first, though certainly not in
due dine, our only objett.. He, however, by ,no
means admitted that the measures whicluwere now
properly proposed to-be adopted as the trleansofsafety,
were such as would prevent us, whenyhe oppot-
tu,nity occurred, from adive offensive operations.;
that 'point \va's by no means, in his opinion,
cle'arly established. He said this upon the best
considoration that he was able to give the • sub-
led, and he assured the Hove it was one to which
he had not now turned his mind for the first time,' it
was',One upon Which he had deeply and maturely
refteded—,He would not now enter into any dis. •
cussion upon the state of the Army last War, or
upon the 'means by which it had been recruited,
although that was a suhjed which appeared to be
completely misunderstood-by many Gentlemen, and
even' by his Right Hon. Friend who spoke last--
But without entering into that ptrr of the sulijed
,at present, he was of Opinion that, even from the
statement of those Geotlemen themselves, the mea-
sure now proposed, and those. which might naturally'
be engrafted upon it, was the best that could be

t adopted at :his rreommt and under tree present cheers
stances, even for• raising a force for general service
If then we had two ohtels to obtain, the first 0:
which was to ensure our safety and secondly, that •
of being,strong and adive for offensive warfare—,
It there was but one way of attaining the -first ob._
jeB, :that of being sate, viz. that of raking a large
force for limited service arid if that could be shewn
r` a-1-;:isTsiro—ritTe:**OtcolleCtini a large offensive
• force, he should desire to know what more could
be.,accesury„ to_recommend
,the principle-of the
i sure now before the Haim ?- The House Was not now'
eallecLupon to.adopt it itidetalls,the questionwas
only, whether theYaPp.roVed-io.:MuCh of the outline
as to :induce-. therdto.idintri a Committee upon it, in
Which it might be improved and Correfted, if it were
necessary, -in order, to make it as good, as possible'
,I for the purpose for which it was -intended? His
groun&for entertaining these opinions was this, he
contended, that unless you meant to begin witlia
proposition which appeared to him to be preposte.
'
rous, unless they agreed with his Right Hon.
Friend,(Mr. WiNeiftwat), that we ought to.have
Militia at all, he admitted; -indeed, that his Right
Hon. Friend seemed to indicate during this De--•
bate, that such was not his .opinion ;7but he %co •
excusable in supposing that such were the setitiineno*
of his Right Ron... Friend, when even his 14011.,*
slu'rrie of l ent
hearing(Mr his
.ELotosTpte)revhehosniont. only had the 111F3!.
public, but had alit '
advaytitage of knowing his. .sentiments
sectned.to think there was a shade of tlifiercnce or
opinion between them upon • that subjed. Boat iE
the House were to agree with those I lon. &Tile' •
men, either that we were to haveno Militia at.alli
or only a Militia 0130,000 men ; if we %vete nowfo '
h at
Ads:
lehaiarosp,tlinin,pealeydn:td..,
truooaanuksluricees:l..satir t
we er if intrie,aete.ilio:rvdtiaeflir:ptelliitiarsal
ilitiia,erntstith,w9a hick
we
tett
the ii",;elr; it:5ll;PLf •
which was now
,propemed, and:which was so much
decried. There• must certainly sohsist a attain
drgree of Cohopetition between she 'Militia and the ,
, Army, and the estahlishmenr 'of a- large
Force must necessarily obstrull the Rccrinting •
the Army—this was a proposition which he was WI
to admit ;-bur this was a consideration which cod"-* ,
not have escaped those by whom the Militia was first
established, and those by whom the Variotl% 01.
respeeting. the Militia had since besn proPgseu
during a period of more than 40 years. -liwa!
said that the establishment of a Militia ivas
patibte-
•with ou.-4Y04-o-0.;-s---Mittrar •C ntry—
r frtl /
with our possessing' the ineaiis of-61114:6-itre"'N'er-:
:ations. But before the, House acquiesced in therie
propositions,' he begged thent to recolleß When it '•
was that the Militia system was introduced, afl3
see whether:it was then, such an impediment 1010 •
Recruiting of -the Army---Whe cher it did i .s;
effeCtually damp or spirit of the Coniti)',.
It was 'introduced at a period to wfiich,we•shriviA
be referred (with the exception only of-tire'nfor.i°cl
wars of the Duke of Marlborough) as
that
0.-ortr--Itistory,..in which we had einharked-..411,;::
'deepest irCdntinental lAirtbrition, iri
moo
A r Army yof,was
tniei u,s slinaeudeltlobietysountir
i(.1) t.perxol7err4
extent
nr
the;
ben the general system of this
Country Irree (IT;
a charafter, of vigorous and offer'3i" wa ar
of. the
had ever done, with' the exception only
:Mate
d. toit wg,ltiaicvlielyhea 14settlite;iti hided. He w".'
cs'l.11.••• he' -
lore naturally riot a little 011.ilrieal ot"
a large Militia Force was itnchi:'"lii;riii).clilsv:t)licl'rjleC
~seß.txuriutsttietiriv:vee;t. of a .large of the •
this was asailfuteis: et
admitted,io. Miotfi! even
da ieYg rte'Syep,itrialiont 11):
stated
it
his Right Hon. Friend, (Mr. WI-NDHAm) ,
to
species of—the forte- .of this .Country were that
their different degrees. Nowt if it :stilts at
ft
aa<►t hair Militia,. to. the extent .of 30,000 roes'
nsiderett,.
good inits kind, aUcl if that Forte was,. co. •
as necessary forty years ago, those Hon. Gende-ft!el,.,' ••'
would'admit that .under the present circuingaficelY
a. larger force of every kind, was necesSary,:r'l.l
we wanted 30,000 fur the• Militia -then, vie %
a much larger Force now. It must.be obvioaist° '
every man who considered the events whiehbadrOc"'
corredifor the last few years in Eorope, that the ne;
cessity fOr, a Defensive •Force was augmented in
;
much larger pfoportion than our necesslity fo
Offensive-Force; because it could not bc,
that the Force which we shoUld want to cartr ti
the War abroad, would be equal to that which %c c
_
should want for' the purposeof defence at home. ,
offensive Wax... Must bear much- more andlogY
former times, than our means of Defensive' Wjfgd.
lie part in which the pressure had must inerelsec,
Was for. the purposes of defence, oot excigtijog
the same.time the means of offence. He shoold then''' . •
fore think that it was no Objeaion to this treiljtifl;
that it left us the means of offence .equal t6.11..."s
ady
possessed by our
.Ancestors. He was 0%.„ i-°
nd
to admit„, that if we could procure, with c„,.cP.
facility and prornpututie,alarge,Force for gsr'''',l'
SerViee,. it certainly • would be niore de,tri;,c
than a Force ,for limited serviee.l He 'admitted
a•Frirce that had seen a great deal of service
where the-Officers had obtained:experience awl
by long aes‘vici, and where the }Troops
sharers in the labour and glories of the
where they had obtained that which nob e"
oucrii
'rulea of discipline could inculcate, and which c,
be learnt in no other sChOOl ; he acicnirredt 05'0'4!
tleo
•
body must admit,- that such a Force -would
'best, 'both for the purposes of offence and:deferes'
But .if the 'plan which -had been- Suggesti.
adopted, if you were to ballot men for gener4,3l.-'io
-vice, did 'Gentlemen 'suppose that in baffottiogr:e
-men ytio,could also ballot for skill aticUeiperi',.:
it you took men from the loom and the ri",tit'boce
was it to he imagined that the inereseircw° coo,
of their Ding into.the Regulars would. at °" G'
sett: them into: experienced dnd disciplined soiT
11 you Were: to ballot for men for generale 1110
vice, did aoy man suppose that in the course 1!
year they n ould be more expert, more disesp.lll‘
tba"
or more tit to meet the Troops of: /3011aPrief no,
they would be if raised under. the plor Fric
posed for limited service ? if indeed 801 l of
coulCartel
be prevailedtu,n
upon
to onto'
'attack.,enterlo
cayou
until your .new kyle* had acquired" Per