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Mansion House, January 23,1867.

TIDIES.—The memorial which we recently printed
upon the Search of Passengers' Luggage was yes-
terday presented to the Chancellor of Exchequer
by an influential deputation. e regret to observe
that his reply was by no means encouraging. lie
did not, indeed, give a definite refusal, but he stated
that so far as he knew the opinion of the heads of
the Customs Department it was adverse to the prayer
of the memorialists. They were by no means sure,
he said, that the Customs' receipts would not suffer ;
and he added that he could not accede to the request
"unless he were satisfied that no injury would re-
sult to the public revenue." We must say, first of
all, that we do not think this is quite the spirit in
which such a proposal should have been met. The
Chancellor of the Exchequer is not bound by the
opinion of his subordinates, and he may be expected
to regard international questions from a somewhat
more elevated point of view than that of a Custom-
house officer. Of course, if the chief of the Custom-
house be consulted, it is his business to consider,
upon a bare calculation, whether a few pounds'
worth of goods will evade paying duty during seven
months of the year. Even upon this narrow ground
we think it a mistake to suppose that the revenue
would be injured ; but it is the duty of the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer to take other considera-
tions into account. Even if the revenue lost in the
Customs' duty, he might consider whether it would
not gain by the encouragement offered to travelling,
and, above all, he might be expected to pay some re-
gard to considerations of international policy. I&may
be of More importance to encourage intercoursif be-
tween this country and France at an irnportant_period
than to protect one branch of the revenue from a few
depredations. We therefore, that as the mat-
ter is not yet decided, Mr. Disraeli will take counsel
of some other authorities besides those of the Custom-
house before giving his final answer. The signatures
to the memorial should alone obtain for it an en-
larged consideration. A great number of Peers and
an actual majority of the House of Commons will
be treated with questionable respect if their memo-
rial, on an important subject, is practically referred
to the chief of a subordinate department. Unfor-
tunately, moreover, the specific request of the me-
morial was scarcely discussed. It is perfectly true,
as Mr. Disraeli observed, that the greater part of
Mr. Watkiu's arguments were directed against the
practice of search altogether, and, though we cordi-
ally agree with his representations, it is perhaps un-
fortunate that so modest a request as that of the
memorial should have been introduced by so formid-
able an argument. The case which Mr. Watkin
had to represent was extremely simple, and he had
it. seems been furnished from the Treasury itself
with the only arguments necessary for his purpose.
What the memorial asked was, not that the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer should immediately pledge
himself to abandon the practice of Custom-house
examination, but only that for seven months of the
present year, for exceptional reasons, he would sub-
stitute a general surveillance for individual and per-
sonal search. It was expressly represented that the
concession " would not materially affect the revenue
or prejudice the future practice of the Custom-
house, as it would be to meet an exceptional case."
We have our own opinion, indeed, as to the pro-
bable result of the experiment if once tried ; but the
Chancellor of the Exchequer was not asked to do
more than make an experiment, and he was ex-
pressly assured that the experiment would not, of
itself, be treated as a precedent. This, and this
alone, was the proposal to be considered, and the
attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer should
have been, as far as possible, confined to it. If Mr.
Disraeli was able to rely on the opinion of the Cus-
tom-house officers, Mr. Watkin, on this modest
issue, was able to quote the Treasury with over-
whelming effect. It seems that, in an official let-
ter, the Secretary of the Treasury had confessed
that' the present system necessarily occasioned
" vexation and inconvenience to passengers," and
had admitted that " nothing but imperious neces-
sity could justify its maintenance." The " vexation
and inconvenience," then, is undisputed, and it is
obvious that it will be increased a hundredfold
during the time of the exhibition. The only ques-
tion is, therefore, whether there exists any such
" imperious necessity" as must prevent us from
temporarily removing this " vexation and incon-
venience" for the sake of a great public object.
To put the question is to • answer it. It is absurd
to suppose that the amount of goods which would
be smuggled in passengers' luggage during seven
months between Paris and London could be so
great as to impose upon the Government the " im-
perious necessity." The articles upon which the
Treasury seems to fear a loss are tobacco and
spirits ; but tobacco which would be worth (Smug-
gling is certainly not cheaper in Paris than in
this country ; and an extensive distiller of British
spirits, who was quoted by Mr. IVatkin, states
that it would be equally unprofitable to import
spirits from the French capital. But, besides this,
it seems to have been altogether forgotten that
the Government are not asked to abandon all su-
pervision whatever. They are only asked to forego
the systematic examination of personal luggage,
but they are invited to maintain, by way of pro-
tection, a " surveillance through detective or other
officers." If suspicious characters or suspicious
boxes, or packages unreasonably large or numerous
were observed in the trains, the Government
would still have the right and the opportunity to
make the same examination as at present. They
are only asked to relieve ordinary passengers, who
•do not afford evident grounds for suspicion, from
the annoyance. It is the ordinary luggage of ordi-
nary passengers in which all the smuggling is to be
carried on which so alarms the Custom-house,
Now, can it really be believed, even in that de-
partment, that general travellers would be either
sufficiently dishonest or would think it worth their
while to smuggle such an amount of spirits or to-
bacco as could make an appreciable difference in
the Customhouse returns? At all events, would the
srriotttlt tti sc great as to make an " imperious ne-
cessity?" Such are sdrild of the considerations which
might be urged in support of this inemorial, and
we greatly regret that the deputation did not press
such points as these upon the Chancellor of the
EXehequer, instead of confronting him with an
apparent demand for a sweeping change in our whole
Custom-house system. It le not, however, too late
for the question to be entertained on its real merits,
and Mr. Disraeli will still, we hope, consider whether
a request so moderate, based ou such exceptional
grounds, ought not to be conceeded, if only out of
deference to the influence and the number of the
memorialists. Even lf, which we think impossible,
the luggage of those seven months' passengers should
influence disadvantageously the Budget of 1868,
the members of the House of Commons, whose
names are appended to the memorial, would furnish
a sufficient apology for the Government. But we
repeat that the Government should view this pro-
posal from other than financial grounds. We are
engaged by every motive, both of courtesy and of
policy, to assist, as far as possible, in rendering the
French Exhibition successful, and it is certain that
we could not assist it more effectually than by faci-
litating the passage of travellers. To put our own
people out of the question, numbers of visitors will
come to these shores from America, and their con-
venience will be most materially increased by a
modification of the present vexatious system. Mr.
Watkin informs us that the American Minister is
pressing the French Government to relax its re-
quirements in favour of his countrymen, and there
is every reason to believe that thefrench are will-
ing and anxious to meet us half way. It would not
be creditable if we offered the only obstacle to a
liberal arrangement. Mr. Disraeli represents, in-
deed, that he has received no official communica-
tion on the subject from the French Government,
although he has given them a sort of indirect oppor-
tunity for doing so. We cannot but think that,
under the present circumstances, it would be
every way more graceful if the English Govern-
ment made the first advance in the negotiation, and
all the more so if it would really involve any sacri-
ficel on our part. We do not in the least believet
this would be the result, but, even if it would ,
us cheerfully submit to it for the sake of France, of
our American visitors, and even of ourselves.ofinterna-
tional At
all events, do not let us see a question
courtesy discussed as if it weret
1\ a mere Cus-
tom-house calculation. All that r. Disraeli is
now asked to do is to consent to an exceplt.ional
The po icy of
course upon an exceptional occhasion,
a general change is quite another m. tter, and may
It is not under con-
be discussed at a future time.
sideration

On the subject of British monuments in France
Viscount Hood sends to the TiZOCS the following
letter, which he has received from the Emperor of
the French. It is dated from the Tuileries, the 20th
inst. :—" Monsieur,—J'apprends avec regret par
votre lettre que les tombeaux des officiers Anglais
tiles it la bataille de Toulouse sont det6rior6s. Les
soldats qui tombent sur la terre 6trangere appar-
tiennent it cette terre, et it est du devoir de tons
d'honorer leur memoire. Je me charge de faire re-
parer cestombeaux it mes frais.—Receve; l'assuruice
de mei sentiments, NA.Maiox,"

In to-day's sitting of the Chamber of Deputies,
Signor Giacomelli referred to a petition from two
citizens of Ancona praying to be liberated from the
Pontifical prisons. Signor Giacotnelli declared that
twelve citizens of the kingdom of Italy have been
detained for several years in the Papal prisons.
The Minister for Foreign Affairs said that nego-
tiations had been opened during the last few years
on this question, and France had used her good
ofTh.tes, though, unfortunately, without success, to
obtain the release of the prisoners. lie was now
about to attempt another means for obtaining the
satisfaction of this just demand, but at present he
did not think it advisable to give any further ex-
planations on the subject.
The Chamber then agreed to a resolution refer-
ring the matter to the Ministry for Foreign Affairs.

DEBATE ON THE BUDGET.
FLORENCE, Jan. 21.
_ _

In Friday's sittings of the Chamber of Deputies
--Signor Ferraris proposed that the house should
declare the urgency of the discussion of the Budget.

Baron Ricasoli replied that this proposal fully
coincided with the views of the Government. "Ad-
ministrative questions," continued the Minister,
" are now of the greatest urgency. In the absence
of my colleague, the Minister of Finance, I accept
in his name the proposal of the Honourable Signor
Ferraris, and have to state that nothing but the
necessary time required for printing the bills and
other documents belonging to the Budget will delay
the debate."

Signor Ferraris—l hope that the debate which
will shortly take place will give that satisfaction
and explanation which certainly neither ourselves
nor the nation have derived from the long statement
made by the Honourable Minister of Finance.
The President of the Chamber here requested
Signor Ferraris, in consideration of the Minister's
absence, to defer his remarks until he should be pre-
sent, to which Signor Ferraris agreed.
On the following day, Saturday, 20th inst., the
President communicated the proposal of Signor
Ferraris to the Minister of Finance, who thereupon
addressed the Chamber as follows :—Yesterday,
during my absence, my honourable colleague said in
my name that I would willingly have accepted
Signor Ferraris' proposal. I may say more--I shall
say that I desire that this discussion should take
place as soon as possible. But there is a difficulty
for which lam not responsible. Eight large volumes
have to be printed, and although four printing
establishments are engaged upon the work, I shall
not be able to obtain the proof sheets for a few
days. Now, I should not wish the desires of the
Chamber to be contradictory. It has voted the
discussion of the bill upon the ecclesiastical pro-
perty, and now prefers another debate. As far as
regards myself I accept any debate, previded that
there is no question of that unworthy guerilla
warfare which is barren of good ; but I shall
always prefer those discussions, which, having vital
importance, meet public expectation and avoid any
delay in the application of good and profitable
laws. I believe, gentlemen, that any delay would
be a fault in which I should not wish to be an
accomplice.
Signor Ferraris insisted upon his proposal. Since
the President of the Council had admitted it, the
dignity of the Government and the Chamber
required that they should not return to a question
already decided. He had no wish to lessen the
importance of the matter at issue, but he con-
demned the Minister of Finance for not having re-
cognised the expediency and the urgency of his
proposal. (Applause on the Left.) He complained
also that the Minister shoultl-:;mr replied in a
previous sitting to Signor Crispi by presenting five
bills of which the Chamber had as yet not taken
cognisance. " Meanwhile," continued Signor Fer-
raris, " time is passing. The Minister who is so
concerned at our financial condition should know
that each day that passes without adopting remedial
measures still further deepens the abyss opening
beneath the feet of the nation, an abyss which not
all his theories will suffice to fill. (Applause on
the Left.) Sacrifices are demanded from the
country ; but the secret lies in the mode of impos-
ing them, and the counsellors of the Crown have
not acquired that secret, because they never go
among the people nor study either their tendencies,
wants, or desires." Signor Ferraris proceeded to
express his belief that the general discussion would
not take place before the 15th of February, and that
no good result would be obtained before the middle
of March. He censured the idea and the mode of
procedure of Signor Scialoja, and said the country
required facts and not illusions. He concluded his
speech by proposing the following order of the
day
The Chamber, convinced that the country
expects extensive and rigorous economy, and wish-
ing before all to be satisfied that this may be
sufficient to meet the requirements of the public
service, resolves to precede, by the discussion of the
statement of the public debt, any debate upon
the measures proposing to augment the Credit
Budget either by alienation of property or increase
of taxation.

" It invites the Government to communicate, as
soon as possible, to the committee the accounts of
the public debt, in order that they may form their
opinion upon the same."
Signor D'Ondes considered that the proposal of
Signor Ferraris was neither practicable nor accept-
able, and proposed that the Chamber should proceed
to the discussion it 'nigh t decide to be most expedient
without taking account of order or precedent.
After a few words from Signor La Porta in sup-
port of the motion, the Minister of Fin 1n
ce said :
While the hon. Signor Ferraris complains of the
slowness of the Ministry, he makes a proposal which
defers to the Greek Calends the most important part
of the discussion, and that when the Government
has declared that it desires nothing more than to
discuss its financial projects. This arises either from
a misunderstanding or an erroneous idea. I re7ret
the proposal of the honourable member, and again
remind the Chamber that it has accepted the motion
of the hon. Signor Crispi, which proposed a few days
ago to discuss with urgency the most important of
the financial measures.
Voices—To the vote, to the vote.
defended the Go-
Signor Lanza, in a long speech,
vernment from the imputations of Signor Ferraris,
but was greatly interrupted by the members sitting
on the Left, while:these interruptions were met by
cries of " Go on," " Go on," from the Right.
Crispi explained that since the delay in
printing would would prevent the Chamber for some time
from taking the Ministerial prcjects into considera-
tion, and that as it appeared that no practical result
could be expected from the financial discussions before
the middle of March, he wished to place on record
that his proposal was made with no intention of
countenancing delay in discussing the Budget.
Signor Depretis (Minister of Marine) enumerated
the causes to which the delay in the presentation of
the Budget was due, stating that the new political
condition of the country, and the re-organisation
thereby necessitated, had compelled the Ministry
to compile the Budget anew. He blamed Signor
Ferraris for the bitter expressions he had used to-
wards the Government, and could not comrrehend
the persistence of the Chamber in reproaching the
Government with tardiness.

Signor Ferraris justified himself in reply, and
maintained his proposal.
Signor Lanza protested against a flat contradic-
tion which he was under the impression of having
received from Signor Ferraris.
At this point great disturbance took place in the
Chamber, and numerous members demanded the
vote.
Signor Villa pointed out that the petition, at

The Minister of Finance—" The question raised
by the hon. Signor Villa is new. (Disturbance and
interruptions.) The Government does not wish or
ask you to defer your vote upon the bills, and de-
sires nothing more than to see approval or disap-
proval what it proposes to you. But what I cannot
admit is the form of procedure which Signor Ferraris
wishes to impose on me, and this form I reject, and I
say this thus distinctly, in order to be understood by
any who may feign not to understand." These words
gave rise to great disturbance and many protests
from the Left. Various members rose to speak and
for sonic moments it was impossible to restore order.
When comparative quiet prevailed the President
said—l beg the hon. members to keep silence. Mr.
Minister of Finance, I cannot permit it to be as-
serted by any that there may be any person within
these walls capable of intending and feigning not to
comprehend a statement. (Sensation.)
Signor Scialoja—lf the words I have just spoken
could give offence to any person, I have no difficulty
in withdrawing them, since it is not my custom, as
it was not my intention on the present occasion, to
give any offence. (Applause from all the benches.)
Signor Scialoja, after receiving permission from
the President, proceeded with his speech, and stated
that he made the motion of Signor Ferraris a Cabi-
net question.
Signor Lanza—l absolutely reject the Ferraris
motion, and wish the Chamber and the country to
know that I do so. (Disturbance in the House
generally. The President rings his bell several
times.)
Signor Lanza—l reject it as illusory, as injurious,
as contradictory, and as opposed to the welfare of
the nation.

Voices on the Right—Bravo. Very good.
On the Left—No, no. (Disturbance.)
Voices on the Left—You are wrong ; you are
wrong.

Signor Lanza continued his speechwith verygreat
warmth, demonstrating the inexpediency of the
Ferraris motion, and said he had heard Signor
Villa state that further reductions to the amount of
100 millions could still be made. (" No, no," from
the Left.) _ _

A Voice—l request to speak on a motion of order.
The disturbance now reached its height, notwith-
standing the repeated efforts of the President to
restore order.

Signor Villa stated that he never intended to
alter the sense of the proposal, and did not, to the
best of his recollection, make the statement attri-
buted to him by Signor Lanza. (The further ob-
servations of Signor Villa were lost in the cries of
" To the vote," " Adjourn," raised from all parts of
the house.)

Signor 13argoni proposed that the Chamber
should pass to the order of the day.
The adjournment was then pat to the vote and

approved.
Signor Bargoni—l shall withdraw my motion if
the ;Chamber does not allow me to explain my
motion in proposing it.
Voices—Speak, speak !

Bargoni—l declare that I could not to-day con-
scientiously give my support to an order of the day
implying a vote of want of confidence in the Go-
vernment. I believe that there has been too much
discussion, and that it has rather been a question
of defeating the Ministry than of discussing a pro-
posal. It was for this reason that I made my
motion.

The motion of Signor Bargoni was then se-
conded, and the President announced that he put
it to the vote, which produced a fresh storm of pro-
tests and cries from the Left, the interruption in
this case lasting some minutes.
The President —Having heard the nominal ap-
peal demanded, without statement of the cause,
append it to the order of the day of Signor Bar-
goni. (Disturbance.)
Signor Vila—l protest. The nominal appeal
was demanded for the Ferraris motion.
President—Gentlemen, the order of the day just
now put to the vote has been approved, and it is
impoSsible to reconsider a vote to the Chamber.
The greatest tumult here arose, protests from the
Left being mingled with derisive laughter from the
Right. In the midst of the confusion the Presi-
dent declared the session closed on account of the
late hour, and the House rose at 6.30 p.m.