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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF FEERSi
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 14.
.COUNSEL were heard at considerable length, in
continuation, relative to the Appeal from the Court
of Chancery,—Keighley fo. the East India Company,
viz. Mr. Cox, as *second Counsel for the, Appellant,
and Mr. MANSFIELD 'as leading Counsel for the
Respondents. Their Lordships postponed the further
hearing of the case till Friday..
Two Private Bills from the Commons were pre.
seated by General BERTI 4 and Sir T. Mric ALFE,
and severally read a Ciro time.
The' Earl of SUFFOLK said, that he uridertitood
a Bill of eonaiderable importance was then belirre
the other-House of Parliament, but so far advanced
in its progress as almost immediately expetted to be
before their Lordships; the Bit! he alluded to was
one for' the amelioration of the Volunteer System,
and contained regulations which he thought
to be produttive of much advantage. He, however,
as a Military trim, would wish to deliver !iiasenti..
incurs upon the subject, and hoped that. an opportir.
airy would be afforded him for so doing on Friday.
IIuLORD CHANCELLOR observed, that, as
the Bill alluded to 'by the Noble Earl, was not
then Wore the Bousel. it was obvlowly irregular
to'sarany. thing .upon it—He should be happy at
the proper. opportunity to hear the Noble Earl's'
7sentonents upon the measure, and he thought the
probability was, that, as the Bill in question was. \
expeded up from the other Hoose of Parliament to
morrow, a. regular 'opportunity woold be tended:
for itsidiseussion.on Friday.

The Bills beton! the House were carried through,
their respeelive stages—these were tier the most part:
Wird readings, and among the Bills which' were
passed were the Irish Habeas Corpus Suspenyi,ri
Bill, &c.—And a Message was onlered to be scut
to acquaint the Cotimions therewith.
Adjourned till to-morrow, when a Commission
takes place for notifying the Royal Assent to cu...
min Bills.

HOUSE OF. COMMONS.
WEDNESDAY, DEC. 14.
THE Army Desertion Bill was, read a Accona
time, and was ordered to be committed fur the ad
Of February.
A.• Message was received from the Lords statin;;
that they•liad agreed to the Bank Restrfaion
Theliouse
,having resolyed itself into a Commit.
tee of Su ply, • - .
• . Mr. CORRY rose to move for a Gran: of a sum
which had ..always been annually granted in the
Parliament of Ireland, and which had hero voted
every year since ?the Union, in that Hoese, He
meant the tisa Grant for the encouragement of the
Linen Manotatture in beland. He accordingly
moved, that a sum not exceeding 21,6001. be grant..
ed for that purpose.. -Agreed to.
The House being resumed, the Report was or
&red to be received to.morrows
Mr. VANSITTART brought 'up an Account of the
Premiums and 'Bounties granted for taking and
bringing Irish to Londitio and Westminster.—Order.
ed to lie on the Table.
Lord HatraY revery moved, That the Commit.
tee to whom the Petition from the Sierra Leone
Company' was referred, should have leave to sit
.notwithstanding any adjournment of the HotOe';
aod also that they should have leave from' time to
time to report their observations thereon.
Mr. ROSE wished-to ask the Noble Lord whe.
titer there was any Report frorn the Naval Officer'
on that station, before the Committee t
Lord H. PATTY replied, that one of the Naval
Officers was to he examined before the Committee.
Tl.s Motion was agreed to.
ARMY OF KESERvg,
Me. Seeretaey YORKE said, he thought it right
that the House should he put in possession, -as 'soon
as passible, of the. adual 'number of men that • had.
been raised under the Army of Reserve Bill, As.
tinguishing such as were effettive, such as were re.
jested, and Deserters—, Without. at present enter.
tog into any discussion upon the (potion, whether
the measure was one that ought or onght not to
have been adopted, it was sufficient for him to bay,
that soon after the Bill had partied, very great ex•
ertionS had been made by the Counties to furnish
the men, though those exertions had. of late in some
degree fallen off. The greatest number of men were
raised within a few weeks after the passing of she
Bill, The total numbers that were-raised on the
2ist November, whish was the- last Return that
had been made, was, `for 'England 26,602, and for
Scotland bet Ween + and, sOOO men ; of these 60
had been rejeded, 7o were dead, and 797 had 'de..
serted. The total number 01 etfe6tive men there- •
fore were 25,093, and the number still wanting was
abou.t.B9oo. In Send:mil he believed the whole
number raised .was about 5500 tnen, and in Ireland •
above bOOO. It appeared from this statement that
although great exertions had been made, yet there.
si;ere still greet deficiencies, and every bOdy he was.
sure, would admit that every means ought to 'be'
,adopted. to procure the full number of men. Fr
order therefore to put the Howe in .pussession ref
these facts, and in order to stimulate the Counties'
to complete their quota of men, he should Move
that there be laid before the HOuse, a Return of the
number of men raised for the Royal Army of Re.
serve, distinguishing such as were rffeetive, dead,
rejeeled, ur deserters, and also distinguishing the
Gounties;. and he wished to add, that after the Re.
;es' be should move for a similar Return. Agreed
The Ohier of the Day beir,g read for the OW
teading of the Volunteer Bill,
#`11441.14V said, lie did rot think that

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the Report of this Bill would have been brought up '
611114 day, for though he knew it was very par-
liamentary to report a Bill the same day that it
assed the Committee, yet he thought that Mini-
aters would have been anxious to let this Bill re-
ot lin as long in the House as theyeenea, in order
teat they might derive the benefit of the sugges-
t !toes that might be thrown out by ciifrerent Gentle-
men, and he thoeglitiso the rather because they had
already felt the inconvenience of lusty legislation in
the very instance of the Bills which they were now
eeelaining. It appeered to him that .Ministers al.
ways WI things to the last moment, and then of
c ito.e they were obliged to do every thing in a
hurry. Dr. Johnson used to say, " there were two
modes of composition, one was When a man revolved
leis subjed in his Mind, and did not commit his
thoughts to paper till they were 'pretty welt ma-
tured; the other mode was for a man immediately to
commit his thoughts to paper, crude and undigested
as they rose in his mind, with a view to coned
'them afterwards." This seemed to be the conduit 'of
Ministers. They threw out their first thoughts in
an' At of Parliament, and afterwards came for an-
other AEI to explain it. He was very much in
hopes that Ministers would have adopted a suggtie.
tionwhich he had'thrown out, because it seemed to
meet their approbation, be meant that of taking
away the Exemptions from the Volunteers. He
knew veryo well.that the Exemptions could not be
taken away from the Corps already raised, but they
might be with-held from those who might be, raised
for the future. Ho was afraid it was now too late
to make any alteration of that kind ; he could there_
fore only lenient that it had not been adopted.—
There was, another objedion which he was sure
could not be removed by any alteration in the Bill,
he alluded to the power which was given to the
Commander of a Carpi, if it was of a Monarchical
Constitution, or to the Committee, if it was of a
there Democratic nature, of determining who should
or should riot enjoy 'Exemption fiom the Army of
Reserve Bill, by deciding who should or should not
be admitted into the Corps. It was known that
the Bounty given to procure Substitutes for the Ar.
my of Reserve, amounted
,to fifty guineas ; conse-
quently it was in the power of the Commanding
Officer, or of the Committee, to expose a man to
the payment of fifty guineas by refusing to let him
into the Corps, or to exempt him from it by ad.
mining him : he did not know that this power had
ever been abused in this. way, bat it certainly might,
and `therefore it would be prudent to guard against
it. He wished before he sat down to make a short
reply to a charge that had frequently been brought
against him :--It was said, Is Why do you, now
that the Volunteer System is adopted, still continue
to express your sentiments against it ?" His an.
swer was this, that tie did not look upon the System
as established,, it undoubtedly must Ye reviewed.
The Volunteer Corps must have some means of sup-
port given to them by Government, because the
Subscriptions that had been raised were nearly ex.
hatlited. He instanced the case of the Corps of St.
George's and St;Giles's, who, it was stated, would
require a great deal more than the sum subscribed
to .complete
,them- There was, no doubt therefore
that if this Machine was to go on that Government
must grease the wheels. With regard to what he
had before said upon this subjed, he still retained
his Opinion, `and would not tetrad any one expres-
sion he had used. He was convinced that there
were many faults in the Volunteer System, but they
were more the fault of the Ministers than of the men
themselves. He agaiii adverted to the impropriety
of cloathing the Voonueers in red,' which he con.
sidered as of more importance than other Gentle.
men did, and lie censured it very strongly. He
next alluded to the Recruiting Service, which, he
contended, had been very much injured by the ex-
cessive Boutities given for the Army of Reserve, and
he had no duubt but that if recourse had been had
to the common mode of Recruiting, instead of the
Army of Reserve, that as great a number of men
would have beet, raised in the same time. Upon
this part of the subject 'Mr. Wi elm eM entered
very much into detail,, and concluded with express.
ing his disapprobation of the Bill.
Mr. Aorn-Ncr. said, the Right
Hon. Gentleman seemed anxious to have the last
word upon this subjed ;, now he begged to say his
first and last word upon the subjet!t, which he as-
sured the House would be very short. In speaking
of the Subscription for Volunteer Corps, the Hon.
Gentleman and his friends had confined themselves
to one solitary instance ; as to Government being
under the necessity of supplying the Volunteers, he'
could not see the subjea in that light. It' was per,
fedly well knowo that there were many Corps that
had no Subscription at all, but where every man
equipped himself. In the Corps that he had the
tumour to command-the men were chaated by the
money allowed by Government, with a very little
addition, but there was no Subscription. The
great 'objed of the Subscriptions that were raised
was to cloath the men ; but it was generally under-
stood that that (loathing was to last for three years,
therefore the inconvenience of which the Hon.
Gentleman complained was at least at a very great
distance. The Right Hon. Gentleman had spoken
of the great homilies that were given for the Army
of Re,erve ; if such bounties were given, it was
only in Landoll ; he knew that, in the part of the
Country he came float, the usual 'basinty was from
22 to z 6 guineas. With regard to what had been
said about Committees beieg 'appointed to regulate
Corps, only one instance had been mentioned, and

Ire fielieveti it would tie difficult to find 2110111-er. -.4

He thought it ,yety,unfair. to-51441page 'that because
such a thing existed in one single instance, to inter
that it exi,ted in ail.;--rth apro disc, ?ilium,. He had
seen indeed, th;it kiiid of Argument lately 'used in
print, but he did not think that Right H,41. Gentle.
man or his friends siwntild have used it it-v(11A Home.
He really did- not know a 9 Ingle instantx in'whicli
Committee teas appointed to govern a Corr, 'and
he was sure he Would not hold it Commis:lion in any
Curps'oitere such a IN. g existed. With reg.ild to
what the Right 'lion.' Gen,lentai had said About
Ri!c; citing, he luti erceivud such abuf.dant answers
udart former occ 'sinus upon that .1.1t,j,.a, that it was
o itT;cts,ary..ro repeat .tiletta again, ‘Vi-hout mean
1,,g.. to say any.t'r.t:•g peis,maliy disrespeaftd to The
iii ht H G.-,:titietn,ol, Lc -couid 4n 7t itt±lp
erxi'ressiog his astotii,,hinent at die line a conduct

which that:G,ntleman had, pursued, and which he'
so pertinav usly persevered.. in upon this subject,
in taking every opportunity of disparaging, discotr.
r 'ging, and degrading a force Upon which the safety.,
of the Country so materially depended. He was
sure he did not speak too strongly when he said,
that there was not a corner in the Country which
did not echo with general disapprobation at the iln.,
guage which had been held with regard to the Vo.
lunteers. The People. of this Country' could 'not
comprehend .the motives of. such conduct, posterity
,would not believe that there could' he found in this
Country a man who, in a crisis of such danger,. could
Kleclate, that poictot) Britons, armed in defence of
their freedom, would not only be of no use, but
-would rather 'do mischief. Was, the Right Hon.
Gentleman so ignorant, so grossly ignorant of
.ancient and modern history, as not to know that
almost every other page afforded examples of the
prodigies done by men armed in defence of their
Country and/their Rights, even without the advan.
rage of military discipline ? There could, therefore,
in his opinion, be no doubt of what would be done
,by Britons in defence of a King whom they idved,
a Constitution which they adored, of a Country to
which they were enthusiastically attached, in de.
fence, in short, of every thing that was deaf and
valuable to men.

Mr. WINDIIAM; in explanation said, that he
had never stated that the Volunteers would be of
no use, but that they would rather do mischief.
Mr. H. ADDINGTON said, it was true the
Right Hon. Gentleman had never said so.in distina
terms, but his uniform language would admit of no
_other inference.
Mr. Alderman PRICE said, he rose to set the
Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.WINDIIAM) right upon
one or two points on which he appeared to, be com.
ph rely mistaken. In the first place, with regard to
Subscriptions, it was perfectly true that, in many
Cases very large Subscriptions had been raised, very
much to the honour of chose who contributed ; but
he also knew, . that these Subscriptions were not
near expended. He would not enter into anydiscussion
With the Right Hon. Gentleman about the merit of
Volunteers; of this he was sure, that in spirit they
were equal to the Rezular Army, and he begged
to assure that Right Hon. Gentleman that they did
not make volunteering a play.thing,they did not
enter into Corps merely to wear a red coat. They
were daily employed in exercising, and in acquir.
ing all the instruCtion that was necessary. With
regard to Committees, he. knew of no Corps that
was under the controul of a Committee in Military
matters. It was true that in most Corps there was
,a Committee, but they were appointed to take cote
of the funds of the Corps, but not to interfere with
their military business, which belonged entirely to
the Commander. With regard to the proposal which
had been made of giving an Adjutant to the Corps,
he should be very glad to see it adopted ; but
he did not see the necessity of a Field Officer.
Some of the Corps in the City had appointed a mi.
litary man as Adjutant, with pay equal to that 'of
the Army. With regard to the high bounties,given
for the Army of Reserve, he begged leave to say,
that in London the average sum given was from 22
to 26 guineas a man. He had indeed heard indivi.
duals talk of giving the large bounty the Right Hon.
Gentleman had mentioned, but he never knew an
instance in which it was given. Before he sat down
. ho wished to ask,-whether the River Fencibles were
included in the general Return of the Volunteers ?
Mr. Secretary YORKE said, he believed the
River Fencibles were considered as being under the
Board of Admiralty, and therefore were not included
in the General Return of Volunteers.

Colonel CI? AUFORD said, that with respell to
the Exemptions granted by Parliament to Volun.
teers, he should not have assented to that system had
he been in the House at the time it was proposed in
the last Session of Parliament. Had he known it
had been intended, he should have taken care to
have objeded to it, for ht; considered these Exemp.
tions as produdive of great evil, nut only as it took
a very great body of men from the Army of Re.
serve, but also gave pow‘r to certain persons, who
ought not to have it, to say, whether men should or
should not be subjed to the operation of the Bills
for the Army of Reserve and Defence of the Coun.
try. He said he was sorry that the suggestions 'of
the Right Hon. Gentleman, not now present (Mr.
Ptorr) were not assented to by Ministers, he meant
with regard to providing a. Field °t }icer out of the
Line for every Volunteer Company. He was confident
that would have been an u,..:•ful measure if adopted.
The objeftion, that the Volunteer Cinps might not
approve of it, he could not give way to; for if they
were actuated by zeal for their Country's Cause,
they would not objed to it. If they were become
Volunteers not for the sake of wearing red coats,
but for the purpose of serving their Country in the
hour of danger, they would be glad to Wye such an
Officer in every Company to assist them, and to fit
them for fighting the battles of their Country. As
to the abjection which the Officers,themselves were
supposed likely to have, he was sure-that the (Mi.
cent of the Line were desirous of being useful to
their Country, and he observed also that we could
spare a greater number, of. them than any Power in
Europe for such a purpose, for we had a greater
number in proportion to the men than any other
force in Europe. As to the appointment of Adju.
tants from the Line, he apprehended they could not
furnish the Volunteer Corps so much assistance as
some Gentlemen expened of them—certainly not so
much as Field Officers might afford. The Adjutant
could not instruct the Captains of the Companies of
the Regiments ; but the Field Officer, as suggested
by the Right Hon. Gentleman, might do so, and
therefore the •Adjutant out of the Line would not he
so useful to the Volunteers as a Field Officer might
be. He observed, that he did not wish to say all
he felt on this subjed, because what Was said upon
it by others had been so much misrepresented, and
particularly .that which had been uttered 'by his
Right Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Wltion•Am).
He had indeed been misunderstood, and consequently
misrepresented ; in the Howie he had never said that
4.-)0;000 men as Volunteers would he useless.
ight Hon, Friend hA never said any such thing,
nor any tfting like it.; he was mutht rol- well versed
in tire. l libtory of the Nations of the Earth to en-
lert.i in such a thought. Ile trusted too that 'he
himself was not so totally ut-iacqu.linted ith the

farce of numbers, especially of brave men, as to
think that such a body would be useless. He knew
the. Contrary—he knew that even undisciplined men
had rendered much and very valuable service to their
Country—he knew that peasants armed only with
pitchforks, or any other weapon they could procure,
'had been formidable andeven terrific to a large body
of men ' of perfea discipline. Of this there was a
memorable instance-in La Vendee, where the Pea.
sants assembled and defeated the regular well-disci.
plined troops of the Republican Army of France.
He knew and he had occasion to have felt, what an
undisciplineddintly of men might do when they were
aauared by a spirit of ardour in the cause which
they espoused : this he had felt in the late un-
happy disturbances in a part of the United
Kingdom. ' Therefore if such persons could ad
with vigour in such a cause, what were we not to
expe& in a cause in-which Englishmen werreengaged_
in the service of the best of Kings—in defence of
the .happiest Constitution, and in vindication of
their liberties, liberties better enjoyed than in any
other nation upon earth ? He did not mean to say
' that such men would not achieve much, all be ever
said, and all the tendency of what had been said
by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. WINDHAM)
was, that the Volunteers, however brave, or how-
ever great their ardour, were not so efficient, nor
could be made so efficient, for the service of their
Country, as the Regular Army. Upon the Regular 1
Army, he said, we could rely ; from experience,
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he said, we knew that no Army in the world was
superior to it. He would not say all he thought of
the English Army, but he would not refrain from
saying this—That when 'we trusted to the Regular
English Army, we trusted to what we had tried,
and which had proved itself, he would not say su-
perior, but equal to that of the Enemy with whom
we are to contend; therefore, he would repeat, that
when we trusted to the Army, we'UMW to what
we had tried : but with regard to other forces,
what they might do was not known ; every body
must allow it was a matter of . experiment. He
would asic any Gentleman, whether he should not
feel anxiety to see our Volunteers engage with the
French; and he would wish to ask any Gentleman, ,
whether he would have any anxiety if he saw the '
Regulars engage with them ? Nobedy said that
the Volunteers would be useless, but diffeent opi.
nions might be entertained as to the degree of their
use. He had heard of the miserable stare of the
Army of France ; that they were many of them
miserable Conscripts, most of them in a wretched
state, and not to be compared with our Volunteers.
He thought this unfounded. He thought they were
as good troops as any in Europe : and if they come
among us, he did not say they had the same good.
ness of cause to support them, for they had not ;
but if they came here, they would come under as
great enthusiasm as we could feel ; they had as
much enthusiasm as any that could oppose them. He
therefore thought it would be better, not to talk of
them as miserable Conscripts, fur they were as re- .
markable for military prowess as any Troops in
Europe.
Here the House received a Message from the
Lords, importing that the Lords had agreed to the
Irish Martial Law Bill, the Irish Habeas Corpus
Suspension Bill, the Small Note Bill, the Irish Oats
Distillation Prohibiting Bill, the Irish i'rovision
Exportation. Prohibiting Bill, the English Sugar
Drawback Bill, and the Bill for snowing Compen.
' sation to Curates who may suffer liv the Clergy
Residence Bill, without any amendment.
Sir W. YOUNG then proceeded on the subje6l
of the Volunteers now before the House : he said,
he had looked into the Alas of Parliament on the
subjea of the Volunteer Exemptions, and he found'
that he was borne out in' what he then asserted,
that the Volunteers under the 42d of the King,
were of a different class in the eye of the Legis_
lature from the present Volunteers, who had no re-
gplation but that of the 431 of the King. The
latter were a very large body of men, by whose
exemption the great mass of the population of the
Country was greatly affefted ; they impeded very
much indeed the progress of' the Army of Reserve,
for three-fourths of them were of the first class of
the Defence Mt, unmarried men under -the age of
thirty : this was a serious matter ; they ought nut
to have these exemptions, for it was greatly in.
convenient to the Country: As to the Volunteers
wider the 4.2 d of the King, who were the only true
Volunteers, in the proper sense of the word,,for
they came forward without any view of exemp-
tion ; they were justly entitled to every exemption ;
they were in number frum 6g,000 to 70,000, and
they were a body of men, on whom the Country
need not less rely fhr patriotism than for discipline;
but the other great body which had been lately
raised, and had entered, was nut so properly called
a body of Volunteers, that name had been given to
them. They were not at first to have been ex-
empted, either from the Militia or the Army of
Reserve : by the Ad of the 57th of July no inlets.
lion was expressed of exempting any of them either
from the Militia, Army of Reserve, or other ter.
vice ; but on the tith of August, when many Gen.
tlemen had gone into the Country in hopes of serv-
ing it as essentially as they could by attending that
House, a Clause crept into a Bill for regulating the
Volunteer Cavalry, by 'which all this immense body
of men were exempted froth all other services, as it
was now to be interpreted by the present Bill, but
which could, hardly have been then so intended, as
indeed was to be gathered by the very necessity
there was now of explaining that An. This was a
'matter worthy the serious attention of.the House at
Some future. period. By these 300,000 men being
thtis entitled to Exemption from the Militia anti the
Army of Reserve, and three.fourths of them being
of the 'first Class of requisition under
.the Defence
Act, being unmarried men under the age of thirty,
' this threw all the ballots almost upon men who had
families, and they wishing to remain with and pro.
vide for them, of course became eager for substi-
tutes, so that a great :competition arose among
them, and the circa was the bounty for substitutes
becatne enormous. These were matters to be con,
eidered gravely, not that he wished our militetry
strength to he diminished by any mearts....no, we
must continue that strength while the affair, of this I
world wore their present aspen}. It was no matterl
to us whether ankaparte existed or not, while I
France was the military nation it was. we niliMf I

bear a relative proportion to that military Power.
He admitted, however, that no addition
b. e made to the condition of any manw,
faith.tn t oh i s
He t militaryhen tookservice,
up theth a that
uwho.ue lad be ef aphol':opruuee
popularity,
as etc:l,3f,
nMewr.hHo:r Atoo:aliNuCeTaL
athsositeatwedhobYkr
Mr. WINDH A. 211 could never- be unpopular among
, and said, that
ivt4.n,als,t,eilets,
tniwantngohdreot hntioFseedcdol
japrssuts
ibie
in,:
aiecoi .04
,fv;i‘rdr4t
cient, • •
, and Intimately acquainted With every liranCh
man versed in an.
of modern learning, who knew how to esteem pri. ,
ou'olletfoi.cnththeeHlei erges
,liinatgdi
Ithose
sa ekt concluded
heoenffi,
ht Irisye:
he thought entitled to all exemptions, the other to
none.
Mr. CALCRAFT observed on what had been
said by the worthy Alderman (Mr. Alderman Pities)
on the subjea .of bounties for the Army •of Re-
serve, who had said they did not amount in Lona.
don to more than from :221,, to 7-61. it was*til/el
and it was laudable in the City of London to keep
the bounty down by its example as much as .posae
ble, but he was afraid that the effea of it had
hitherto been, to keep the City of Londonabackia'
its quota for that service. As to the Recruiting
Service, which had been said to have gone on so
well, notwithstanding the large bounties of the
Army of Reserve, .he apprehended that to hat,
arisen chiefly from the: stagnation of
,flick in Mits.
cheater, Birmingham!. Leeds, Sheffield, ointi miter,
large populous mlnufaauring towns, the Case
the
-at..
ways at the commencement of a Wars As to
Volunteer syattoo, he said he was one oftbase ,Whea
had great confidence in the Volunteers.. Thais,
courage he took to be unquestionable, their zeal
undoubted, and as to their discipline, he believed'
it to approach as near to perfeEtion as could e
vaere.be ex..
peaed antler all circumstances ; but if h
to be asked his opinion as to what the Legislthatur . •
ought to enaa, or Government to order, wi Legisl
ature
gard to the Volunteers, 'he would say, they should,
not be too nice in ' the regulations of this Force;
for its efficiency would depend in a great measure
upon the good-will, temper., spirit, patoiotism, and
liberality of those who composed that formidable ,
and truly respettahle Force. lie thought the ex-
emptions had gone a great w:sy, yet he thought th,is.
ought not tnowto be altered. It was true that the -
R ight Hon. Gentleman (Mr. WtN OH AM) said: th
t.
at
the Country was not safe in their hands : he tell lfh
there should he more Regulars--abut he must O 11187'
sist upon it, that although the Volunteers had diemVit
nicety of discipline, which nobody eXpetW. II
to have, of the regulars, yet they possessed enGug"
it to make the Country perfealy safe: in lelYit (1)(10
them. He hoped therefore that no ettentlit'c y;
w;
be made to reduce them to the severe rules that°"
cipline of real Soldiers, because, he apprehended
was not necessary.
()%14'
Mr. Secretary declined, making.anY
v, ,
servation Ton the Speech of the Hon. Baronet (Sir: . ,
Wtootaast YOUNG), as it did not aPPLY to the 13111
before the House. With respea to whet had beeo' .
stated by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. CAoctarris
' la..
he knew of no opinion that :had been gtven re .
tire to Bouoties.to be given in the City of London
for the Army of Reserve. The only circumstance. • ,
that the
~
he knew of relating to that subjea was,
Drapers' Company proposed to raise 2 or
3 Secretary
00 men,
as ,
and waited upon hint when he w
at War with the proposal. He conferred upon the
subjeat with His Royal Highness the Comtnandev
in Chief, and with the inspeaor-General
aof Ree , f'
emits, and it not appearing that the Comp
ncreased
ny had
any other means of raising nten than by
I
`Bounties, it was thought advisable that the propos
sal should not be carried into effea. th
Mr. CALCRAFT wished for doginformatin as ,to
number of the Army of Reserve raise n Meehetropolis.
Mr. Seeraaty YORKE said, he believed there
was a great deficiency in the numbers furnished by
the City of London and the County of Mitidlesat
but it was to be 4ttriluited to the extreme xilic!
of desertion, which in those places it wait vetY dill',
ficult to check.
. . .
Mr. CALC&ArT explained. Was.
Mr. GILES thought the Hun. Baronet (Sir et
YOUNG) had not sufficiently considered
d, e the
ndg A.
of Parliament io which ,he had; eferre -
which he would find that there was an eXPre" di"
tinftion made between Voluottieis accepted and v;
luntary service. ire could state as a Clet,"thar 1
the County of Hertford the number of Volunteesers
accepted was only 2800, whilst the number wi',°
services were offered was 6600, and without flArn" • -
ing any exenytions whatever. The House here.
fote would not readilysuppose 1 ' men Cattle fore
t tat 'motto.
ward merely for the purpose of vbiaininscg"—` ' •
Si '
Sir A t oot AM YOUNG explained. .
o'er, t Hun.
• Dr. LAWRENCE defended his "'lra 1 1 'to . .
Friend (Mr. Wraostao), whom he eoncelvowith
have been calumniated, and charged Mioister6 vs.
courting popularity, lie made several °bine tun.
tions with respeti to Volunteer Corps r"1 -f°llo
ties for the Army of Reserve.. In ORO 0, iv,
former, he said Committees not only reguleteu I'
exPenditure of the money, but fixed the drill &Yr', )
chose Officers, and decided upon excuses foe non the
tendance on tield.days. As to Substitutes in !,
ctleu
Army of Reserve, he said that two had been I
in the market. place at Norwich fur too guineas.
It
The CiIeINCELLOR of the EXCILEV! ,
said, that Ministers had been charged with Ilv""n;
calumnious assertions, but against whom the chsrg.,.
of calumny would most properly lie, l
oe would leav_ow
the House and the Country to detertnine. As to
what had been said of courting popularity, it 'el.
the bounden duty of Ministers to look to the, " 'Oro.
fate of the People, and that such had bee" his Clot
dual, he appealed to the Journals to prove.
lid it ht .
as to any idle wish for popular favour, cot
said that he C,ltli fed popularity, when in the course
1 d bed
of fourteen months, seventeen millioos .14 ,
..__ ,
added to the ;taxes upon the People ? Could ILP.c,
said to be a popular measure keeping up the Arm`
and NatlV ICI the extent to which they were intto7r,
of Peace ? He disclaimed any base and dis,h," his
able motives. As to what.had . been sato uy___Nl.
Right Hon. Relation (Mr. i'llt,llY APDll4l:iii:a
that in every corner of theCl)lllltty 3 Sttong It irl
lent
had ad .:en in consequence of the disparagen
,c_ao
the Volunteer Force by the Right Hon. Genf! ''.',;,,,
(Me. NV t vow Am) it was matter of the dell a .