The Sun.
London, England, 1858-03-03 00:00:00

I returned to Brussels on the Sunday following. I arrived
here about 12 o'clock, and at the Cafe Suisse I saw K.
Bernard; I told him that the horse had arrived safe.
He said "he knew it." I have not been to Paris.
Mr. Sleigh—Were you arrested when M. Goorgi was!
Witness—Yes.
The further hearing of the case was then postponed until
Thursday next, at two o'clock.
Mr. Sleigh to Mr. Bodkin—l suppose the case will not
finish on that day ?
Mr. Bodkin—Oh ! quite impossible.
. .

Mr. Sleigh, addressing Mr. Jardine—Then, sir, I have
again to ask you to a twit my client to bail. It is not for
the sake of the two d,ys that must elapse before the case is
again proceeded with, but as it will be some time before it
is concluded, I ask you, air, to admit the prisoner to bail.
Mr. Jai dine—l don't think the time has yet arrived for
such an application.
Bernard—l have to ask von, air, a most important favour.
I ask you, sir, to ask for Orsini to come here, to this land
of freedom, and speak all he knows. He can completely
prove me guiltless of the charge that is made against me.
Let Olsini be sent for, and then, in this free land, he will
speak, as he has not yet been able to do. I have another
favour to ask, that is, that I may see the papers. How can
I prepare my defence without I know what is the charge
against me ? I ask you, sir, to give orders that I may read
the papers every morning.
Mr. Sleigh—l have been in communication with the
Chairman of the Middlesex Magistrates, and they have
refused to allow, in favour of this gentleman, the slighoest
relaxation of the prison rules. I regret the decision, as
the prisoner is a gentleman of education.
Mr. Bodkin—This person is not the first man of educa-
tion that has been confined in prison.
Jardine—There are certain rules made for the regu-
lation of the prison. I have no power to interfere.
Bernard - I can't prepare my defence, then
Mr. Sleigh—My client has made a statement which he
wished me to make—an application for production of Orsini.
Such an application I know you have not power to grant,
and I cannot imagine the Government of France would agree
to such a production if made by the English Government.
I trust on next application for bail your worship will n it
think me importunate according to the progress the (ale
has made. Bernard is most likely, if the application is
not granted, to be imprisoned for some time.

Jardine.—l don't say there has been any delay on
the part of any person, but two or three hours a day is
hardly sufficient time to go on with a case like the present.
Why not devote a whole day. I am perfectly ready to
assent to such a course.

After a fe ,v observations between the learned gentlemen
concerned in the case, it was decided that the examination
should be proceedd with on Thursday next at two o'clock.

THE CHARGE AGAINST MR. ISAAC

BUTT, M.P.

PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE.

[The following appeared in our late edition of last
evening :—]

The Committee re-assembled this morning at 12 o'clock.
Sir J. Graham in the chair.
Mr. Roebuck stated that as Mrs. Parr's husband died
lot night she was unable to attend the comrni tee, and
she left her honour and her character in toe bar de of
the cnairman.

Sir J Graham read the folio wing letter from Mr.
Edwin James :

" Brookes's Club, Monday, March 14
" Madam,—My name having been mentioned in the
course of the inquiry now pending in the petition ag iinst
Mr. Butt, with reference to a very serious charge against
yourself, viz , that of your having been a party to an at-
tempt to extort money, under threat of publishing a defa-
matory libel upon myself and others, I think it due to you
to state that, upon an investigation into the circumstances
referred to, I Lave reason to be convinced that no imputa-
tion of any kind should rest upon you with reference to
this transaction, and that the explanation given by you to
the committee is correct, which explanation has removed
the impression I entertained when I mentioned the subject
to the advisers of Air. Butt, and authorise.' them to ask
the questions which were put to you. I was prepared to
give this explanation verbally to the committee, but this
letter may perhaps suffice.—l am, Madam, your obedient
servant,

(Signed) "EDWIN JAMES.
"To Mrs. Parr, 17, Old Bond-street."

The Chairman asked Mr. Butt if he had found Mr.
Ttoebuck's c c)ccr. Ltt,r lelative ti the presenta-
tion of the petition. Mr. Butt's answers had been put
in and published, and it wai only right and fair that
Mr Roebuck's I,ot, rs shoul,i also be produced.
Mr. Butt said he was sorry to say he could not find it.
He recollected its purport. It was that Mr. Roebuck
wished to act in a fair and honourable manner towards

him in bringing forward this charge.
Mr. Butt having correct-A some slight errors that had
crept into the minutes of evidence, was cross-examined*by
Mr. Roebuck, He said he definitively concluded (accord-
ing to the best of his recollection) with the Ameer to go to
India after the 2 ith July, 1857. He determined early
in August to test the sincerity of the Ameer by asking
him for 500/. ; and the cheque for 300/. bore date the 11th
August; this was all the money he ever had from the Ameer
before the 2,000/. He had received money from Mr.
Coffey, but on matters entirely private, and had
nothing to do with the Ameer. When he received only
300/. he was not satisfied, and he wanted to enter into an
agreement with the Ameer personally, but Mr. Edward
Coffey obj acted. The Arneer, before leaving for
India, wanted a dispatch reinstating him in his
lands. He told him he could not have it, but that
he might rely on one being sent to India, and
arrive; there as soon as the Ameer. Ile never promised
the Ameer that he should see a copy of the despatch before
leaving England, nor said anything that could have led to
such a belief. A few days after, the Ameer received a
reply from the Board of Directors before leaving this coun-
try. He was unable to say why he delayed leaving. He
believed much misapprehension existed between him and
the Ameer owing to misrepresentations arising from trans-
lating the conversations. The first arratwetnent with the

Amer was that he should have 5,0001. on starting,
and 6,000/. on landing in Bombay. Afterwards
it was changed, and he was to be pail 3,000/.
in cash and 7,00U1. iby bills, payable at Bom-
bay. At one time it was suggested that the bills
should be accepted by the Mercantile Bank of India in
Broad-street, but it was afterwards abandoned ; he gathered
from Sir H. Seymour at Vienna that he had neverseen Mr.
Coffey, and the result of his information was from hear-
say statements ; he could not say it the Ameer expected
he would now go out to India, but he believed the Ameer
was under the impression he could call upon him
to go out. If he did not go he should not raise the
question 'of forfeiture of the money. If he did not
ko out he should return the money, bat if it was
n .t for the interest of the Ameer he should go to India
he should not return the money. When he was at
Trieste the Ameer made him a larger offer, but be declined
to accept it, from the Ameer being entirely under his
power. When he mentioned to the Ameer he was to have
10.0001. he thought he saw an expression of surprise in the
Anaeer's features that led him to believe the arrangements
had not been correctly represented to the Ameer. He de-
clined to have further negotiations with the Ameer until he
was in the hands of agents upon whom he could rely. He
was never to receive any money, except for his services in
Bombay. There might have been this contihgency, that,
if the answer of the Board of Control had been positively
unfavourable, there might have bean no engagement be-
tween him mail the Ameer.

By Sir J. Graham—He had an express stipulation with
Mr. Vernon Smith that nothing he ever said should be
used against the int, rests of Ali Moorad, and be also stipu-
lated to Mr. Mangles that nothii.g be might say should be
brought under the Court of Directors. His communica-
tions with Mr. Vernon Smith wero to him as President of
the Board of Control, and they wero masked private.
Sir J. Graham—Your correspondence with the Board of
Directors and the President of the Board of Control are
not recorded. Are nut these facts consistent with the
agreement as to secrecy ?
Witness—No ; my communications to Mr. Vernon
Smith were addressed to him private, and I should have
been much surprised to have found any of them on record
at the Board of Control. It was understood that in the
new Parliament Sir F. Kelly should conduct the proceed-
ings and give the notices. There was an arrangement that
Sir F. Kely should make the motion, and he (Mr. Butt)
make a speech urging the ()laical of .1i Moored Mr.
Rolt, a member of the house, urged him strongly to
speak, but it was after that that negotiations were opened
with the Board of Control. Mr. Coffey, on behalf of
the Ameer, said the whole question should be planed in
his hands, but he said he would not agree to it, as all he
wanted was that nothing should be done without his
knowledge. Coffey was very distinct in saying that the
Ameer was entirely in his bands; and when it was
suggested to him to open negotiations with the' Board of
Control, it was hinted that he might again have the parlia-
mentary control of the question, but the responsibility was
never assumed. He never told Sir J. W. Hogg that he
would bring the question before Parliament during the
session of 1857, without some concession were made to Ali
Moorad. (This part of the evidence of Sir J. W. Hogg was
read.) He did not say Sir J. W. Hogg had falsely alisre-
presented the conversations between them, but be had cer-
tainly entirely misrepresented it. He might have told Sir
J. W. Hogg that the Ameer had been an ill-used man, and
that the directors would be great fools to allow the question
to be raised in Parliament.

Sir J. Graham--Why?
Mr. Butt —Becau.e news of the Indian revolt arrived.
Sr J. Graham—ls it not the character of diplomacy to
say one thing and mean another?
Mr. Butt—l don't know that it is. What I said I
meant.

Sir J. Graham—Sir J. Hogg and you urged him to
expedite the business, in order that you might not lose the
session.

Mr. Butt said that those answers had been put into his
month. If he bad been left to himself be would never have
given su'l answers.

Sir J. Graham having adverted to some of the questions
which drew forth the replies of Sir J. W. Elngg, said Wit
many of them were not leading questions, but were per-
fectly fair.

Mr. Butt then said he wished to retract the insinuation
he had thrown oat against Mr. Roe,rnck.
By Sir J. Graham- He had stipulated with Mr. Vernon
Smith that his converiations with him should be private
and confidential, although the visits to the Board of Con-
trol were of an official character. He had assured Mr. V.
Smith that if the conversations were in any w .y divulged,
the memorial of Ali Moored would never be
,presenter'
Th,t was entirely with view of protecting the ruterests of
Ali Moorad. He kept Mr. V. Smith's letters to him private,
with the exception of one letter—that which Mrs. Parr said
she saw. Mr. Smith said he was at liberty to give the
general purport of the communications, but that the details
of the caminenications must be 'kept secret. It was true
that Mr. Smith's letters' to him--were now on their way
to India, but none of those letters were of the slightest im-
portance. He would not say that if he searched through his
papers in Dublin, which be had not an opportunity of doing,
some of these letters-rniglit be found: Whatever might be
the n 'tune of those letters they were not immediately
available for the use of the committee. On the 12th Ang.,
1857, he banked with Mr. Harries, west-end banker, but
on the 24th of that mouth he opened an account with
Messrs. Glyn. who were. the bankers to the railway Com-
pany of which he wa. chairman. •
Sir J. Graham—Mr. Coffey' has stated in his evidence
that it was in July, 1856, and not, as You say in August, y
that the first offer of 5,0001. was' made to ou to advocate
the Ameer's claims in Parliainint Do you deny that?
Mr. Butt—Most positively. No such offer was male to
me directly or indirectly. No words were used which in
any way could be tortured into such an offer. Nothing
Was said to me nritil 1-457, when I said that by going to
India I ivight lose my profession, and probably my seat in
Parliament,
Sir J. Graham—You deny that the offer WWI regle to
you in 1856?