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in these tcans paid more for their licences than those
who resided in smaller ones, :With regard to 'olc
proposal mole for repealing certain DOties, he wish_
ed to state tliat his objed was, to pot all the Duties
into one Aa,, in orderthat Merchants might have
_before, them in one view, all the_ duties which they
had to pay. The whole of the Duries he sliould
therefore propose to re,enad in one •Aer of. Parlia-
merit, with sor...*-very trifling alterations which he
did not' think it then necessary to oceupy , the time
of the Committee with detailing at length. There
was some difference between the book of 'rates in
England inid Itreland ; ,some articles appeared in the
one Whi,...11 ~vvre not in the other, and sometimes the
Satnefartieles went tinder different*nominations in
the two Gauntries. He had endeavoured to assimi-
late them as touch as possible to each other because
this difference might be produdive of great incon.
venienee ; for instance, if Accounts were called for
from the Custom.houses of the two COuntries with
respell to some articles, the accounts,. for the reason
he had given, would not agree. This ikonve.
nienee was not merely of a temporary nature, for
the Committee Would recalled that at the end of
tweory years, by the Compad of Union, a. new
view was to be taken of the respective wealth, and
abilities for contribution of the two Countries; it
was therefore a matter of the greatest Importance
that the Accounts of Imports and gxpo“s should
be as accurately kept as poisible ; and for this pur.
pose an uniformity of dernrnination was absolutely
necessary. Another objet which he had endea.
voured to accomplish was, to reduce the Duties
which in some • instances'were rated Duties, and in
others- ad (valorem Duties, to one 'general rated
T)uty. This w 0914 hp a very great convenience to
Merchants, for whose accommodation it was he pro.
posed this regulation. Mr. CoRRY then concluded
with rnoviog his Resolutions.
Gaon.' VEREKER said, he wished to have some
information respecting the Duties upon. Home-rtiade
SpiritS,. because it was' it subject upon which con.
siderable interest was excited in Ireland.

Mr. CURBY said, he had already stated, that
theJ bulijet cc). which the Hon. Member' alluded,
was not touched upon in these Resolutions.

Colonel PEREKH? said,. this was a subjed upon
which the People-of Ireland were particularly at7.i.
ous, because is was almost the only point in which
they profited by the Union, and it %vas therefore of
great importance, that that advantage should not be
tmken from them.

Mr. WICKHAM replied, that it was not pro.
,posed to decide the subje6t to which the I fon. Mem.
ber alluded, in these Resolution ; it was kept orn
for figure consideratioo and disCussion.

aIr.'LEE said, he certainly had not made up his
Mind upon the puha which had been last adverted
„to, but he did nor consider it as being at all before
the Committee, and he was sure his. Right Hon.
Friend had only mentionq it to chew more di,tind.
ly that it formed no part of the subjed then, under
the consideration of the Committees
Mr. Co 11. Y explained.

Colonel 4 ACWELL said, „,it was certainly a
questitiri of 'considerable importance, wherher-cer
tail) duties Should be, appropriate 4 flir,.certtin put--
wises. Undoubtedly the beat secority,nlight•to be
'giVen to the Creditors of' the National Debi, bitt
he thought it necessary that the House should have
further information with regard to the diareirt Du.
ties and 'rims which they were called upon to vote
permanently. ln the lank Session, the Duties were
voted altogether, and it was now proposed at once
to,make them all permanent. ;He was by notneans
inclined to give any oppbsition to the tneasure, or
to oppose any of the Duties, bot he really Onto&
that upon a question °fist) Much 'magnitude some
further time should be given for cOnsideratian, in
order that they might know what they were to
vote. Some 'of,the Duties which it Was proposed
to continue were etinsidered in 'lreland as War
Taxes, and that they were conSevently to cease on
the termination of the War. Such tar instance
was.the Duty on Windows; and: there were some
• others which, in his ()Onion, required examination
before' they were voted permanently.- He hoped,
therefore, that the Right, Hon. Gentleman would
not. press the. Resohniona at present, but that lie
would postpone them, at least for a few dips.
Mr. CORI Y said; that the Hon. Gentleman had
complained of the want of sufficient information;
and had stared that the Dutiei had been voted last
Session altogether,. He begged, however, to ob,
serve, that everypossible information had been laid
before the• House. In the two last Sessions, and in
the, present one, accounts had been presented of the
amount of the .Revenue of Ireland, and also an ac,
count of the permanent Charges.' 'The House was
therefore in possession of the two speties of infor.
motion which were necessary, vlz...the amount of
the Revenue, and the amount of the Charges. By
an account now upon the Table, the Honourable
.Gentlemin would find that the receipts of the Ex.
chequer of Ireland last year amounted to 3,3t0,0001.
and the aMount of the perManent Charges, consist.
Ing of the different items to Which he had 14.
fore.alluded, amounted to z,551,000. 'The Hon.
Gentletnan knew that all the Revenues of , Ireland
formed one. Consolidated Fund,'and that whatever
excess. there was after the payment of the perma.
rent Charges, was del olicable to the current ser.
vices of the year. There: were already . graoted
this year many serviees, exceeding the surplus that
would remain of theßevenue,,after the payment of
the permanent charges sea that the 'House was in
complete possession of every part of the subjed.
The lion. Gentle Man had. 'stated, that some of the
Taxes which it was proposed to continue were consi.
.dered,in Ireland as. War Taxes, and that it was ex,
pencil they would cease on the termination of the War,
angl had instanced in particular the ditty on Windows..
Upon this subjed the Hon. Gentleman had certainly
fallen into an error. There certainly had been an
'attempt of-same persons whose sentiments were ex..
tretnely different • from' the. Hon. Gentleman (and
indeed he ought almost to . make an apology'' for
making any sort of comparison between theini) he
meant the. acohins of Ireland, to represent this as a
War To but certainly no such idea was thrdwn
014; when the Tax, was proposed ; 'it Was u
Sion far the largest Loan that,liad ever then been
Made in Ireland. Thte aon, (.;entiernan might 'indeed
Tecolkie regulation which was made for the Collec-
09q gf ;4; P*l wiliCtl YfP 4 WiOrg4l4tiopor.:

• la had been the avowed objeCt of many persons
licland to ()tumid the Public-Suppliea in' every
possible way, to depreciate 'the Paper of the 'Dank
of Ireland, ,and tojojure the National Credit ; and
in order to prevent those persons from throwing off
their shoulders their share of the general burthen, a
Clause was introduced which enacted, that persons
should Ray the Duty according to the number of
Windows, which their 'houses contained at the time
when the Tax was laid on. This Regulation was
certainly a. War Regulation, and, of course, ex.
pired with the War. •
Colonel BA 6W ELI:, Mr. Lae, and Mr. CQRRT,
severally explained. ,
The first Resolution was then agreed to. -
In moving the second Reiciluiioo,- Mr..Coatav
observed, that'some of 'the Taxes of this Country
had, for constitutional purposes, been always voted
. annually, such as the Land and Malt. Now, as he
should be always happy to see Ireland' assimilated to
England, particularly in every thing that regarded
her Constitution, he meant to -propose, that the
Malt Duty of Ireland should' not be
.voted permit.
nently, but annually, as in England.
BAGIVELL said, , it was by no means his
wish to give any opposition, Or to throw any im.
pediment in the way of public business ; -hut as it
was a subject of very great importance, he wished
the Right Hon. Gentleman would defer the con.
sideratton of it for a few days, in Order to give the
Gentlemen who represented that part of the United
Kingdom art opportunity of inquiring into the sub.
hed d
. Without entering at present into the subje,
e wished to observe with reaped to one Tax, which
appeared to him to he very unfairly laid on, he
meant the Tait upon Leather; the Tanners of this
Country (England) paid at the rate of mile penny
per lb. 'which was allowed as a 'draw-back upon
expoitation to Ireland, and , then 'the duty of
one penny was again laid 'on
from the mode of colleding the Tax in Ireland,
the Irish tanners, instead of one penny, paid about
z4d. or something more, per pound ; sand this he
knew' had excited considerable uneasiness and dis-
content. His 'objed in mentioning these circum.
stances was not, he repeated, to throw any Obstacle
in the way of business,- but if _Oostible to remove
every ground of serious objection. •
Mr. J. L A TOUPII E said he concurred with the
Hun. IVlernber who 'spoke last, in hoping that a few
days •would be-given for the .consideration of the
subject. There was one Tax which he was instruft-
ed to oppose as a permanent Tax,. and that was the
duty upon Windows. The Right Hon. Gentleman
seemed to suppose' the opposition to" this Tax pro.
ceeded from personS of dispositiona not.very favour.
able to the. Constitution;; but
_he had a petition
aninst,it from one of the most loyal Corporations
in Ireland, the' Corporation of the City of Dublin.
Mr. COI Rl'. said, it certainly was not an objet}
:with him to hurry this business through the House,
or to prev,ent a full discussion •of every part of it ;
on the eolitrary, if there was one mode better cal.
culated than another, to afford the means of dis.
Cossion and investigation, he should most readily
consent to it ;'bun he begged leave to remind Gen.
iletnee, that 'the duties which it was now imposed
to continue, were the same as those which had been
voted in, the Parliament of Ireland. With resped
to what hid been said about the Tax upon Leather,
he wished to say a very few words-. Since this
• Tiix was originally laid on, at the rate Of one
penny per lb. it had neht been increased, and it
wag a tr;de which, like many others, was carried
on upon a very small scale in Ireland, ,and was
spread 'generally .ot ur the 'face of the country ; the
consequence of which Was, that in the distant parts
of the kingdom, many of the Tanners paid little
or nothing to the Tax ; and those who resided in,
or near great towns, could not bring their articles
market nearly ad cheap as those who were enabled
to evade the duty. Krinwing it to be the state of the
trade, he had endeavoured to inform himself whether
any plan could be adopted, which would secure the
profits of the fair Trader, and at the same time insure
the olledion of the revenue. From the information
of a tanner, who had beep in a considerable' line of
business, anti who was enabled to give him compleat
information upon the suhjcF3, , he (Mr Coalty)
was able to form :t system,, which, in his opinion,
Would secure, both these objects. He then called
together a meeting of the trade in the city' of DO.
tin 'they were at first extremery hostile to the
system lie proposed ; but, after repeated discussions
aipon the.subjed„ every man remained pettedly sa.
tisfied with the Tait—and .to prove which he would
Mention a circumstance, (which of course he should
not otherwise allude to)• the Corporation of Tanners
voted him their, Thanks for his Plan. The died
of this regulation was, that in the ensuing year
the Tax amounted, to .52,0001. wher4s in the pre.
ceding year
,it was only tB,oool. It. was trues
that in different parts of the Country there were
some murmurs upon the subjed he believed,
in particular frog the City of :Waterford. His
Right Frown. Friend (Mr. Wu:Ku-Am) transmitted to
him aome information upon the iulijed,:when he
was on the point of embarking for :England, which
'indueed him to delay his voyage, and to send down
to that City to request that a deputation from the
trade there might be sent op to, investigate the
subjest.witli lani, which offer they, however, de..
dined. With respect to What had been said by the
Hort. Gentlemen upon the proptiety,of delaying the
'discussion toxin this question, the wished to observe ,
to them, than this subject divided itself into dif.
ferent heads.. that they were now considering the
• propriety of on. the duties, and that the
proper time for discussing the mode of colleding
them would occur in another stage of the business; as
to any alteration which might be thought necessary
in the mode of calleding.the Duties, if Gentlemen
thought a delay upon this subjett was necessary, he
should have no hesitation io concurring in it. But,
with respect to the Duties themselves,. Gentlemen
knew, that they all expired 'on the zgrh of Miirch..
It may be asked, why he did not introduce this
measure sooner ?' This question he would 'answer, by
askiag another, namely, Why it was, that Gentle-
men from that part
.of the United Kingdom did not
appear sooner in their places ? for he was portico.
lady anxious not to bring forward a Measure so im.
porifint ip that part of the United Kingtiorn, *Mist
to marry of its Representanvell were abstrit•
Vir• tsf# explained,