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vote by 4,000?. of the auma paid to the law officers of the man fcr his authority for this statement. (Hear, hear.)
Crown under the Patent Law Amendment Act. 1 He kS...r B.__Hall) gave no instruction whatever on the

Mr. WALPOLE referred to the reductions which
were made in this department in 1852. There were no
two men in the country more worked than the Attorney
and Solicitor-General, and their services deserved to be
well remunerated. He did not believe that the fees paid
to those officers were anything like those which they
would receive from the public.
Mr. GILPIN advocated the payment of public officers
by salaries instead of fees ; but trusted the hon. member
for Lambeth would not divide the committee on this
question, as he considered that the remuneration pro-
posed to be voted to the Attorney and Solicitor-General
was not larger than he knew they deserved.
After a short conversation, in which Sir G. C. Lewis,
Mr. Cairns, and Mr. Cox took part,
Mr. WILLIAMS hoped the Government would agree
to consider the subject before they met again. If they
gave a promise to that effect, he would withdraw his
amendment.
Aster some observations from the ATrORNEY•GENE-
BAL, the amendment was negatived without a divisi. n.
The next item was 26,198/. for fees, salaries, expenses,
and compensation payable under the Patent Law
Amendment Act (15th and 16th Vic., c. 83).
r. MELLOR ccimplained of the vote for the museum
of patented inventions at Kensington,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL defended the vote,
which had been rendered necessary by the removal of
the patent models and library which were formerly in
Chancery-lane, and which bad been very useful to the
working classes and skilled artisans of this country.
The money was well laid out.
Mr. DILLWYN said that he quite approved of a
museum of patented inventions, but he thought that
Kensington was a very inappropriate place for such a
museum.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that there was
much truth in that remark, but the fact was they got
the accommodation free at Kensington, and they had at
present no funds to provide a place elsewhere.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
commissioners had agreed to receive the collection of
patents at Kensington till a better place could be pro-
vided, but a plan was now under consideratiin fur pla-
cing it in a totally different locality. (Hear.) In reply
to Mr. Greer, the right hon. gentleman stated that the
curator of this museum, he believed, held no other office
in the Kensington Institute.
The vote was then agreed to.
Fishery Board, Scotland, 13,8221.
Mr. WHITE moved that this vote be expunged, on
the ground that the branding of those herrings might be
dispensed without injury to any one.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said that it had been in-
tended to withdraw this vote in relation to the branding
of herrings, but it could not be done in time for the pre-
sent session. Many, however, thought it would be in-
expedient to abolish suddenly a practice which had so
bum prevailed.
After some observations from Mr. Cox,
Mr. WHITE amended his motion by retaining the
portion of the vote which related to pensions, reducing
the vote to 2,1601.
After some conversation, the committee divided, and
there appeared—
For the vote
For the amendment
Majority --61
The amendment was lost, and the vote agreed to.
2,0001. was voted for Trustees of ManufacLures, Soot-
land.
5,0011. for Commissioners of Highland roads and
bridges.
Mr. COX opposed this motion, ore the ground that
persons in the metropolis had no right to be taxed for
roads they were never likely to use.
Mr. COLLINS said he objected to the paying for
metropolitan improvements out of the Consolidated
Fund, and on the same principle he would object to a
vote for local improvements in Scotland.
The committee then divided, and there appeared—
For the vote
Against it
Majority • • —45
2,0001. was voted for bounties on slaves and tonnage
of slave vessels.
The next was a vote of 9001. for the translation and
publication of the ancient laws of Ireland.
Mr. HAMILTON said this work bad been already
commenced, and found to be so valuable and interesting
that it was resolved to ask for a further vote on account
of it.

Mr. LABOUCHERE said it was a work of great
historical interest, and ought to be proceeded with.
The vote was agreed to.
9,000/. was next voted for costs incidental to process-
servers in Ireland.
The next vote was one of 58,9001. for Merchant
Seamen's Fund pensions.
Mr. HENLEY explained, in answer to a question
from Sir Charles Napier, that this vote was consequent
upon the winding up of the fund, but that parties would
be allowed to contribute to increase the pensions.
The vote was agreed to.
17,8501. was voted for revising barristers, Mr. WAL-
POLE stating that that sum included the whole charge.
3,0001. was voted for the inspection of burial-grounds,
and 1,3501. for the charge of certain professors in the
University of Cambridge.
On a vote of 27,9061. for lighthouses abroad,
Mr. HENLEY said that the object of it was simply
to carry out certain works for the convenience of the
merchant service, which the house, in its liberality, had
already undertaken. The work had been imposed upon
the Board of Trade, and, though that board had no en-
gineering facilities, it must get through the work as
best it could.
The vote was agreed to.
The next vote was 20,000/, for the improvement of
the Kaffirs.
Sir J. TRELAWNY objected to the vote, Waving
that we had expended money enough upon the Kaffirs,
without effect, and,that the colony of the Cape had done
nothing in the same direction. He quoted a letter from
the Governor of the colony against the vote, and con-
cluded by moving that it be disallowed.
Lord STANLEY said that the Government bad en-
deavoured to redeem the pledge originally given for the
reduction of this vote, and it had been put down at
20,0001. instead of 40,0001.
Sir D. NORREYS hoped the hon. baronet would
persevere in his resistance to this vote. He thought Sir
George Grey was not entitled to the least consideration
from tne house, and the only way to put a stop to his
repeated demands on the house was sternly to refuse to
accede to the present one. If Sir G. Grey could not go-
vern the colony without coming to the house for aid, the
sooner we got rid of Sir G. Grey and of Kaffraria the
better. (Cheers and laughter.)
MT. LA.BOUCHERE vindicated the conduct of Sir
G. Grey at the Cape,
After a few words from Mr. Ewart, Mr. D. Nicoll,
and Col. French, the committee divided, when the num-
bers were—
For the vote
Against it
Majority —l47
The vote was then agreed to.
The next vote was 29,9401. on account of the Treasury
cheque.
2,0001. was next proposed for the collection in the
National Portrait Gallery.
Mr. BRISCOE objected to the vote, and moved as
au amendment that it should be omitted.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER de•
fended the vote, and said that many of the works in the
Gallery were works of high art. When completed the
collection would be one most gratifying to the country.
Mr. BYNG bore testimony to the value and interest
of the collection.
The vote was then agreed to.
The next vote proposed was 2,0001. for expenses to
inquire into the effects of the cholera in the West Indies;
and, after a few words from Mr. WILLIAMS and Mr.
° HAMILTON, the vote was agreed to.
The next vote was 1,6001. for a Board of Survey.
Sir D. NORREYS objected to the vote, and, after
some conversation, the committee divided, when the
numbers were—
For the vote
Against it
Majority
The vote was agreed to.
6,318/. for public offices in Belfast was agreed to.
The next vote was 15,0001., to enable the Commis-
sioners of Public Works in Ireland to purchase certain
houses and buildings to extend the Four Courts.
After some conversation the vote was agreed to.
The next votes were :-
5,000/. far the National Gallery in Dublin,
1.0001. for the Royal Dublin Society,
10,000/. for an Industrial Museum in Edinburgh,
9,0001, for the Industrial Insti•ution in the same city,
7,5001. for a General Registry Office in the same place,
2001. for a General Repository of Public Records in
Edinburgh.
Agreed to.
On a vote of 6,0001. for the Nelson Column, Trafalgar-
square,
Mr. D. GRIFFITHS expressed a hope that around
the pedestal of the column four red lions would be
planed at each corner to give it effect—(a laugh)—or, at
all events, bronze lions. (Laughter.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
material to force the liens was not yet decided on, but
the hon. member's suggestion would be taken into con-
sideration. He for one had no objection that bronze
lions should be placed round the pedestal, but he looked
with great apprehension on four red lions being placed
there. (Laughter.)
On the vote that 8,8361. be allowed for examining the
p'an of the main drainage of the metropolis,
Mr. COX said that this was an important question,
and it was too late to discuss it at that moment.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped
they would be allowed to proceed with the estimate.
The amendment was then negatived, without a di-
vision.

Mr. COX protested against payirg 9,0001. for the ex-
atnination of the plan. It appeared that a plan bad
been submitted by the Board of Works to the Chid
Commissioner (Sir B. Hall), and that right hon. get,tle-
man had appointed gentlemen to examine it, and to find
fault with it, and the result was this great expenditure.
Sir B. HALL said it was quite true that a plan had
been submitted to him in reference to the drainage of the.
metropolis by the Metropolitan Board of Works, and in
accordance with what he felt to be his duty he had. ap-
pointed three gentlemen of eminence, namely, Mr. Simp-
eon, Captain Gordon, and Mr. Blackwell, to examine
this plan. Captain Gordon had made no charge for his
labours, and Mr. Simpson and Mr. Blackwell had
charged only 1,500/. for the duty which they had per-
formed, and this sum he did not think was too much.
The hon. gentleman (Mr. Cox) said that be had instructed
the gentlemen in question to find fault with the plan.
He said that it was a great mistake for the honourable
gentleman to say so, and he called upon the hon. gentle-

subject. He admitted that the sum before the house
was a large one, but they must recollect that the work
to be executed was a great one, and +hat great care
ought to be taken before the Gove nt was com-
mitted to it. This was his justification x.r having taken
the course which he had pursued in the matter.
Mr. S. WORTLEY thought it was the duty of the
Government to place the metropolis under proper man-
agement. London was too large to be managed by one
body. It was at the same time too much that the Metro-
politan Board should be controlled by a public officer,
who might know nothing whatever of the question. At
the came time he was grateful to the right hon. gentle-
man (Sir B. Hall) for the improvements which he had
made in the metropolis, and especially fur those carried
out by him at the west end of the town.
Mr. COX said he never meant to cast any imputation
whatever upon the right hon. baronet (Sir B. Hall), as,
from the manner in which he had performed his duty,
he entertained a high opinion of the right hon. gentle-
man's administrative powers.
The amendment was withdrawn, and the vote agreed
to.
Mr. W' ILLIAMS moved that the Chairman report
progress, and ask leave to sit again.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped
the house would be allowed to proceed with the remain-
ing votes.
It was, however, ultimately arranged that the Chair-
man should report progres, and this having been done
the house resumed.
CIVIL BILLS, &c. (IRELAND) BILL.
The adjourned debate on this bill, after a few word(
from Mr. Walpole, Mr. B. Osborne, Mr. Whiteside,
and Mr. Cogan, was postponed,
FRIENDLY SOCIETIES' ACT AMENDMENT
BILL.
This act, as amended, passed through committee, with
the understanding that objections may be advanced
against it on the third reading.
The house resumed.
POOR REMOVAL LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
On the motion that this bill be now read a seoond
time,
Mr. S. ESTCOURT entered into some explanations
on the proposed powers of the bill to remove the Irish
poor to Ireland, and on his request the bill was dis-
charged. He hoped, in the course of next session, to lay
upon the table some measure that would remedy the
evils complained of. He would now move for leave to
discharge the order.
The order for the second reading of the bill was then
discharged.
The order of the day for the second reading o f the
Pauper Lunatics Bill was also discharged.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT BILL.
The amendments in this bill wars considered and
agreed to.

PUBLIC HEALTH BILL.
The amendments in this bill were considered and
agreed to.