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London, England, 1804-04-12 00:00:00

VOTAINTEER ELIAL.

The• Order of the Day ,being read, their ,Lord—
ships went into.a, Committee upon this_ Bill,. Lord
W.easlNGtreitd in the Chair.

One or two of the Cla•uses being disposed of in
the course of some,. discussion,• the twenty-eighth
Claise was arrived at, - which was strongly. tib;
_idled to by Lord GRENV ILLE, mho censured 'iv
as futile, inefficient, uonecessatr, and absurd., and.
these characteristics he thought appeared on :the.
face of the Cla.use so.. clear, that it was super:.
floods to take up the time or the Cominittee. The
effeta of this ClauSe is, that Volunteers,•isthile
under arms, or going to the place of exercise, &c.
who shall miscondna themselves, may be ordered
'bY theCoininanding Officer into the custody of any
persrm bciont,erin* to the corps, while it remained
Uuttder apts. Lord'GREI4TILLE concluded mov.
ing for its omission.

The Clause . was dcleOded as necessary and. pro.
I)er by LOrd Aoc ft,LAN LI and the Earl Of,WkisTM-(112,-
, LAND. Tile aimad.,•ersions of Lord drs.ENV I'LL
were supported by Earl SPENCER and' Loia KING,

_Lotd,:II4gROWEY. di,Gred frbirt . his •.Noble
]Friend (GikENYtua). with JespeCt. to the clap.se.;
he,,.coriceived;it proper,for the_ due mairitenuce of
discipline,; and he.thotight it might he inveroved,Ao
as-to answer.evtw tbjedion, by providing far the
atteindaitct-..0f,a
,otiltable- on such occasions.

'ls he n upon this Clause was terminat4
a clivisioh, when there apppeated
For-Lord GR.F.NVILL Mot-jolt, •
Agaimt its - 22

Majority
Several of the subsequent,Clauses were dispovett.
:of in the course of much discussion, in which the
•aboveme.ntioned Peers, with the addition of the Earl
:of 'MORTON and the Duke .of,:VioNTRosE; were this
priticipal speakers. •
With respei`l to the 36th Clause, which refer* to
the exercise of the Royal Prerogative in requiring
'the Military Service of His Majesty'.a.liege SuhjeKtN: --
Lord Cyktiviiii.LE observed, he should not then
give any opposition to:the Chaise, as it was in the
recollection of their Lordships, that a few nighivs
;back he bad sig6sed his intention to take ar..early
,opportunity to bring forward` the subjed in the tin
portant...4nd' solemn form of a Bill.
On the 39th Clause, which relates to the pay— •
meat of :two guineas to. each Volunteer who a‘sent—
.bles on the summons of the Lieutenant of the County,
or upon .any general signal of alarm, &c. a grea;.
'deal of discussion took place. On an Amendment
moved. by Lord GR ENY I,LLE :(the precise nature of
which we could not coiled), a diVision took place,
For the Amendment, 14. •
Against it, 24.

Maj ori ty,

,During the short interval of the exclusion of
strangers on this division, another amendment was
moved bt.one of, their Lordships, on which almost
immediately a second division took place;
.For the amendment II
Against it ;4.
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Majority - .

The' subsequent clauses to the 4.7 th were therl
4 disposed of without much discussion. The Chair-
-1 man was then direfied to repot proves, and avic.

!-(,) sit again. On the gouse resuming, the
mittce were ordered to sit again to.rnorrow.—
,- j3urned at Eleven o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 11.

MR. VANSITTART brought up an estimate of the
sum which may be wanted for Foreign and Secret
Services for the year 18044 which was ordered to be
laid upon the Table.
'Sir9OHN NEWPORT postponed the Motion of
which he had given notice for to-day, upon th-sub.
jets of the Ilchester- Eleetion, until Friday next,
on account, as we understood him, of the absence
of the sitting Member for that Borough.
Mr. FosTtkmoved for
.several accounts, for the
purpose of shoving the, operation of the Aft of
Union.—Such as,
That there be laid before the H"use an account of
•all Flour, Corn, Gfain, Meal, Mkilt, &c. imported
into and exported from Great Britain, together with
the Bounties and Duties paid thereonfrorn the first
of January iSoo to the first of january'rBo4, dis-
tinguishing each.specie,s and each year..
An Account of the average price, of Corn, Grain,
&c..in England 'and Wales, per:quarter, and of Oat_
meal per boll, &c. from the 13th of March 1802,
to the latest period the. same can be made up.
An Account of the duty received on the Exports
Of Linen front Irelatid to Great Britain, since the.
commencement thereof, distinguishing the rate of
duties, number of yards, together 'With the amount
of duties imposed thereon,. &c. to the latest period
the same can be mace up, 'distinguishing each,Year,
&c.—Ordered.• '
Mr. WINDHAM said he had 3 Motion to make,
to which he understood, there was no objedion,
and he actordingly..moved. •,‘: That there. be
laid before the Hue an AccOunt of the num-
ber of men 'raised in ea6ll- month in Great Bri-
tain and Ireland, since the 'commencement •of the
Ad for alit purinse, and of the number- of .men
Who; during"the seVeral periods have engaged for.

general service, dtstinguishing under each head, as,.
as it canbedone; the number of thost.wlio-have:
n,:ered for general service, and .those who remain
cin the balloted service, &c. meaning an Account of
the FOfte.tirider.the Artily of'Reserve.." , •
This Account was ordered to be laid before the
House.:

iVlr.Secretary YolticE moved the Order. of the
on Day the Bill
,for augmenting. the Militia of Ire.'
land. The Order being read, he observed, that.bY
an inadvertency in drawing the Bill, the sum,,to be
voted was made to fall .wholly upon Ireland, 'which
error he intended to be corrected in the Committee.
He then moved, " That the SP AXE R do now leave
the Chair."
Colonel CRAWFORD observed, that this .Bill,
h d so near a conneCtion with that which was the
subjea of discussion last night, that he could not
help alluding to that which. was not now the subject
of motion.- He said he came down to. the House
.with an intention of _voting for the Bill of last night,
for introducing z 00000 Irish Militia into this Coun-
try upon an emergency, but that he, was deterred
from doing so, by the reasons which Ministers had
urged in its support, and the purposes for which
they avowed it was intended ; as.he was,not
pe,rfealy satisfied that they had clearly
.explained
their own meaning, and as he' was in favour of the
until he had heard the Arguments of Ministers
in support of it, he could not vote against the Bill,
and therefore he went away without voting tipon it.
But although he stood in that state of doubt, with
regaid to that.. Bill, lie'hati,no hesitation whatever
in giving, his, decided negative to the present one.
He objeaed on -various accounts : it went to place,
unnecessarily,, Officers in a state to ask favours,
where they ought to have absolute command. He
objetied aiso.to the very idea of increasing the Mi-
litia Force at all; lie-did not say that,we should have
rip Militia Force; be th6ught lit should, to a given
extent, form. One part Ode Force ; but he thought it
should form noHpart. of our embodied Force. He
had.however. no scruple in ilaying that op a ge-
neral .view.,:of. -the estate 'of •Ireland, It, would be
indiscreet in-tis to have a large body of Troopi in
Ireland composed-of Irishmen. He adverted to the'
late Discontents that were manifested in that Coun-
try, arA.the,Rebellion that-followed., • The violence
attending these-unhappyieVents, on both sides,
.he
apprehended to have laid the foundation of 'future
violence; nor did he apprehend that .what had been
done to conciliate the people of that Country to the.
Government of this would haVe :that effett, for it
did not appear to -him to.have that tendency. He
apprehended .that the Union with Ireland- had not
produced what. its best friends had :wished. He
thought that the operation of the Union had, not been
favourable to the. Irish People, and therefore he should
be glad to know by what magic it was that
the people of Ireland, were so completely con-
cLliated that it was wholly -improbable that another
jnsprreetiod shddld arise. He took the:liberty to
s 4. s'fiethin2.to tUs.cfrefi a long time ago. whets
he was roughliTaridied fur it, and yet in less than

three weeks after wards an insurrea ion broke out
there, and. the., city of
,Dublin. .was placed un.
der-Martial LaW. Thii shewed what Govern.
menrconceived of the future operations there. He
thought it therefote unwise to rely at present on a '
large military forte in Ireland, for many of that
forte must he men who had lost their relatives, or who
had otherwise suffered in'the late Rebellion, and this
measure was only to put -them in, a situation in which
'they might have to chuse between their duty and their
affeuion. If this was nor absolutely necessary, it was
cruel as well as impolitic; and if we could raise,
any other force, we shOuld'not rake this.—Now, as
to raising another _Force, he thought we could' do'.
so, and in' a way much less liable .to objeaion.. He
meant a Fencible- -POrce, and. he lecoutinended the
granting to: the families of 'the. Fencibles similar
provision, . with those row all Owed to the families. of-
the Militia, and then he had pc. doubt -thtFineibles
would as easily be raised as the It. was
said that:Officers
~couldnot be procured fonthe-Fen.— '
cible Regiments,.6,!4t he apprelte.oded•they could be
auppliid out- of the present .i 6 Battalions of
Serve, which he, 'stare4, to..be verpciefeaiY.i
Mate as a Fince -..sear4ely
Audj .as . an In vetting Pfficcr,.__would e-
pita fit .for 1-ie.then proceedecLto-notice

the statement made by the Secretary of State on the .
subject of the Military Force of the Empire, .for the
purpose of shewing our effeetiye strength within'
the Empire. In the statement made by the SECRE-
TARY Of • STATE, he contended, there were ,many
inaccuracies; for he'etook notes of that statement,
at the time, and. foUnd it agreed. with most of
the RepOrts of the Newspapers. Not that he
assented to the .general accuracy of the Reports
of Newspapeis of the Proceedings of Parliament ;
on the contrary, „he had'often reason-to coinplain of
their defeels, but
,thiS was chiefly applicable to the.
reasoning of Honourable Members in Debate ; in
the Report of matter of FigurtsrNewspaper re-
porti might pretty ;well be trusted. He then
.entered:on the 'account which had been given_ of
the Efffetive , Force of • the EmPite.,- when this
subjea was opened generally, by the SECRETARY of
STATE, and pointed out someitems in which he ap.
prebended there were some considerable mistakes,
the whole Of which has been already stated to the:

Public. He concluded with
_lobserving, that this
measure appeared to him at hest very inadequate for
the purpose for which it was iriteri'ded; 'besides many
other objeftions to it, and therefore it had his nc.
gative.
Mr. SecretarlYOßKE observed, that what had
hither to occurred in this Debate, was not extremely
new:. He observied also, that the Hun. Member
who had just spoken, had gone a good deal into
the detail of the measure, into which he did not
mean to follow him. It was true that the ge-
neral observations which bad been just made on the
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subjed of the State,of:lreland, might be said to
' be 'in soMe. measure cOnnefted-. with the Debate,
because 'this me-iisure related to Ireland, yet he
should not pursue the course which had been pointed
out to him, b did 'not the pursuit di'not apr.ar to be
useful. The Honourable Gentleman had said, that.
the effeds of the Uniod,with Ireland.' had not been
beneficial ; that they had not yet. been so bene-
ficial as,cOuld have been` wished, or as they- were
hereafter to be, he was ready to allow, nor hat'.
•.there yet been time for thaepUrpose : but
.that the
etTeds of:that Union had not been beneficial at all,
was an assertion to which he did mot assent, and he
left the rest to those Rekesentatives of Ireland he
had the pleasure to see around him. As to'the
mentation of the Irish Militia, it was A measure,
the principle of which was- recognised 'in the last
War, when the Irish Militia were- 25,d00 Rank
and File—now they are only t8;000. As to
.the
objedien that the' Irish Militia was,. not a good de-
scription of Fame for that Oluntry, he could only
say, that he did not agree with the Honourable
Gentleman on that subject ; for when all the endea.
yours were made by our Ft rei'gri and Domestic
Enemies, to induce, the Irish Militia to betray their
duty, they remained faithful,' 'and procured imMor-
' tal honour. Another_ d4cription of Force, was
=that of.the Fencibles, which :the Honourable Gen.
m tlein had alluded to ;, - h'e did not_ agree with the
Hon: Gentleman's opinion upOrikliat subject, because
he thought that the Mode' now proposed, was much
more speedy in its operation 'than that of raising
Fencibles, not did he see how ()Meets could be pro,.
cured as the Hon. Gentlentan had stated, for the
Half-pay List was already exhausted in that respea;
nor did he agree in the detscription of the' Hon.
Gentleman of the. sixteen Battalions of Reserve.
. He, thought. them much more effective than they
had been stated, although he admitted there w,as a
considerable- variety and inequality in them. They
would all of them be fit for service, and the very
worst of them for garrison duty ; and as to those
invalids who perform that duty nirk, many of them,
althobgh not, fit to face the Enemy in the field,
might yet do completely the duty of the, Garrison
of gibraltar or Malta ; and he would take 'the
liberty of saying,. • that this country has, at this,
moment, a greater force upon the whole than it ever
whs possessed of at any other period.. So that he saw
no danger in any one going into, the detail of that
subjed, nor any inconvenience &pip it,.for this Em-
pire was never so, powerful as it is at this hour—thus
far on' general topics, but on the ptticolars of the de..'
tail into which the Hon. Qr.-tit 4niao eptered, 'and- his'
reference to his :former, statement,. of the effective

Force of the. Empire, he sho'ultfilecline
,to follow
him, He felt no dispositibn to complim:•nt the ac.
curacy of the Deports of I\levvspai;,'.s4;..iftliey agreed
with the statement made to.n,ight. by, the Hon. Gen-
cleman, neither was he aware Of any material error
in his own statement upon this subjett on a former
day.
,Having paid a compliment)tcrthe bravery of
the English and Irish Troops, and alluded to what
they: had lately accomplished in India by w•ay of
specimen of what the enemy may expel, should
they try us, he concluded wish warmly recommend-
ing thepresent measure ;-o the House. -
Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON conceived

the, present measure coupled with the Bill under
discussion; on the preceding day, as, impolitic, be-
cause of all the parts of the United Empire,: Ire,
land was the spot which required the largest .dis-
posable force, there being the greatest danger and
the greatest cause for alarm.
MC. WH ITSHEtr KETNE, thought- po.
litic and advantageou, that a large plpporooo of the
Irish Militia should be brought over here.

Sir JOHN WROTTEgEY.arraigned, in strong
terms, the general condua of -Ministers, by whose
ignorance and imprnience, he said; the Country
had been plunged into a War, without their taking
any one step to bring that War to '..a.tertnination.
It appeared that there were no mote. than 20,00
Regular Infantry in dint
-Britain ; and could that
number be Considered sufficient ?:.Fr.p. nt an insuf...
ficiency of Troops we had lost one of Or Settlemeorp-
on the Coast of Africa, And- no one could tell thar
Ceylon might not he also lost, whilst in India rein-
forcetnents.were require‘t. -The present Measure'
he considered as an unfair burden upon
which was in-fAt to furnish. to,ooo men for the
.befence of this. Count ry. 'He apin adverted to the.
condua of -the Wdr, observing Oar something
:speedy, vigorous, and energetic pught to bedone,,
Oticc the present system was sapping the very
datigii.of our existence. We were at psevn.!.. tti
situation in whieb.we never were befCire; %."!:th.,tv At-
-1 ies:anii 'with Ministers who are .!ieipisect reign
whilst the..syterii of bloqlsark. was wear to.v,
cutotir S:-.ips, and tiring,i;ut -Si`-
'nletti;.• He pressed upon ;-f,vlinisters
's)ine broad,tlnd comprelicniive systeini and t

should not merely confine themselves to the' pro.
viding measures of defence. -
Sir W. ERSKINE observed., that the Battaliona of
ReServe whose want ;:if diicipline hid been ridiculed,
were, in fall, perfefily efficient for. service He
.did-not mean to- enter into the question, but when
fie heard great and energetic .measures mentioned,
he should like to hear from 'those Gentlemen who
talked of them, 'some:specific measures proposed.'--
He did not believe that any measure coulnave beep.
capable of obtaining a single man more for the Deo
fence of the Country.;
Sir JOHN NEWPORT said he:had voted for
• the Bill discusse on he preceding day, Only upon
the'supliciaftiOn that it was Intended to,-makethe
,Militia..9facakermo-Co.untries mutually transferable;,
as he never could locik upon the Union as 'complete-
until. that reCipriCcity 'wes established'
.between-the
two Countries.. He had however read some Resold-
tiOns' of several Lord .Lieutenants -sand Colonels of
Militia upon`this Subject with, considerable regret,-
as theyomilirated-cliredly against that which lie coma
sidered as necessary. :to complete-- the 'UniOn,•and
without loOking forward, to which- he never would
hart consented.to the previous Bills- Ifo•howevet,
they were not to haye this- Militia,-they ought. to
have as good a force in, return and he. never could
think .of accepting' in its stead .aoportion -ofothe
Army of Reserve, :after it had-been picked .and
-those(' to make up second Battalions.for the tine,.
...ancl-avhen they could therefore have only the refuse.
. He regretted that the earned:int erchange Of Mili
tia between
.the. two Countries was not' to take
place, and should not only oppose-the present:mea-
sure, but should think himself, at liberty to oppose
the previous Bill in its future, stages.
General Objetied to the.falladious
mode of argument made use of by those who 'stated,
our disposable farce.to be less than it ottotat-
merely because theie Geritleinen thought it ought
to be greater. 'They ought tO shew besides, how
the ,Army could be increased ;it would be., found,
whenever an. inquiry was entered into.upon the sub.
..je6t,that Ministers had increased the disposable Force
of the Country infinitely mare than it had
,been
.'during a'corresponding period of the last War, and
not only the disposable Force, but the whole Force
,of the Country. He admitted, that the Battalions
of Reserveoivere not. equA to the other levies, but
that was to be attributed to the superior arrange-
ments for seledion made by His: Royal Highness
the Commander in Chief. The cia .was, that there
was not, the means in the Country of raising a very
large. disposable, Force, and a grand. magnificent.
-plan for recruiting the Army must be the ruin
of our rnanufaCtures. No- want of Troops was
evinced in our distant, possessions;' in the West.
Indies there was no deficiency asoto ohe cap-
ture of a Settlement on, the Coast, of: Africa,
it was always the case at the commencement. of
every War, 'those being deemed the 'least valuablo
articles to look after., The Honourable Baronet
had been unfortunate in alluding,to as evin-
cing a
,want of Troop's, as there our brilliant Vic-
tories refleaed the highest credit, andoonferred the
.greatest glory upon the Officers and Men employed ;
and it was aCtually a fart, that not above a fourth
part of the British Army in India wasemployed in
those rransaaions. There were between zi and
22,000 European Troops- in India, notobove 5000
'of which were engaged in, all our ViElorieso It was
asked, why, not raise Fencible Regiments? But they
were coMposed of the same materials ay the NfillitiaO
and where was the difference ? "He approved of the
Bill, because there was at present a difficulty in
procuring men,.,and they might get by this mea-
sure, to,otao men.foo general service. .
Mr. F9X.said,, he should not detain the House
long,- but he could not help adverting. to .the observa-
tions which had been,made upon the
,Resoltl.oons• of
several Lord,_ Lieutenants' and Colonels of 'Militia;
respefling this subjed; Wa-s it impoaailaile that
these Gentlemen should have constitutional4.ielingsi
Several of them were materially .connOted with
Irelanda--and it- could not be for a mornent..soppoSed
chat they were indifferent 'to its situation; but was
it not possible that .the reciprocity 'of the Militia of
the two 'Countries- was, contrary to the very prin.
elides of the Union ? If such a, reciprocity was in-
'tended, it was a great
.and important question ;
and let it be, brought fairly before the House, and
not in-a surreptitious manner. He had always been
a ' declared enemy to the Union, froth which .so
many benefits had beentaiked of as resulting, but
of which the only one that ltad ever been specified,
was, that Ireland has got2rid of her .L.egialature.
He would,
,howevero be candid in this respe6l,
though he disapproved of. the measure. a The
Union had not had a fair trial : he wished to
God it might have a fair trial; but he thought
the idea of uniting a Country too large to be
united, whilst local distance Was a continual
impediment in the way of its being fairly re.
'presented, was an idea Which never -could be prac-
tically possible. He had,seen no reason since the
Union to alter his opinion with respaa to that event,
and how could they exile& any .Union of rnen.when
they saw a Lord Chancellor of Ireland declare that
the people of that Country could not be good• sub....
je4s without being false to their religion ; and when,
from•the conduCt of Government, they were to learn
that that Country could be• governed no other way
than by force -? His Hon. Friend (General Maat-r,:.
LAND) had argued,. that there was no difference be-
tween Fencibles and Militia, because they Were coma
posed of 'the- same materialsthey were the same
men it was true,• but might they not be turned to_ a•
different use—one might, be sent out of Ireland, and
•the other stay in.. He saw, however, what, led his
Hon. Friend to this, who doubtless thought thaoif
they could cajole the Irish Militia to come to Eng_
. land, they. might. Send them any where elie, it did
not signify as to the .terms and if:they. could raise
.Militiamen there for_four guineas it_was AsheAper,
and better way—this seemed to be the opinion of
his tiOn. Friend. As to 'the voluoteering
it Waal a joke oif their Officers said tog them, will
iro" or will you osot go, it was next-to ImpoSiible
these men to refume e and what. was this but a
'tire preach .of their engagement ?' It had been
said it, answer to the objediariOthat
•thii measnre
'7Pded to create a spirit.. of deliberation in. the
n "V, that it was nothing more than, what took
at a stoirm ; knit mark -the difference with re.
soc.dt to the Militia, they corn..' had no right to

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'rand the aetvices of that body, but In
other case the Commanding Officer had a -rig
to command the'set,vices of the whole, and be oncj
left- it to a part to irolunteer, to take the post of do-
ger.. - One reason for passing the Bill was urged to
be, that it would liberate so much of our dispose.'
able'FOrce ; .but when our disposable Force bore
no‘proportiott to our limited :Force, he could not
.corieeive the policy of adding to that which was °I"
ready too much, instead of to that which ,was too
little. The nourable Gentleman (General MAll'
LAND) had commented upon the argument of the
'Honourable 'Baronet (Sir. JOHNWitorTsst..EY),
with respe& to the. East Indies ; but the argument
.had not been rightly considered. The brilliancy ,
our ViEtoties inindia no one disputed.. He should
not now enter, int'O the question, but at the same
:time he begged, leave -to enter his protest against
adinitiitog it to be good policy, to destroy tt'c
Mairratta Forces. The Hon. Baronet, howeiTC,
in comparing dye" Force of the Country with what
it ought liar 100keti at the East Indies In,
be the probable drainof Troops fiom this Country'
it had been mad tharoniy 5',000 men were engaged
in our Viftories in India, but were not these to be
replaced ? 'When he .'looked to the measure,
ha
could easily understand . why 'one Bill should au
10,000 men.. to our Force; but did it foll°.,
"
that.they were to accept" the offers of service °f
d
"the Militia of Ireland ? He was told it would a"
10;900 metk to our- dispdsabie Force ; if .so, -51 7
not raise to,ooo men without such a meast'rel
,If; however, these offers were to be accepted, °('‘'',le
,they not. to:provide a substitute in IrelanJ bei°l4
they let go the Militia' He believed no one ccuin.
-state any advantage that could result from bringi"&
a4ay ro;o6o men from Ireland wi:hout first pr
'vitling.a substitute for that Force. They wer.,-,
told that' there were 33,000 regular - Troops `1;
,Ireland.; if so,' was it not an obvious way to take
of
part of that force. When he observed the manner °
bringing in and-supporting the present measilei
what could he suppose but that Ministers intended
to' do that by stealth which they dared not propose
openly ? The reciprocity of the Militia was certain'f
a.very important question ; it was root howeverr, .
;,
part of the present Bill; let it however be brougil
"forward openly, and as a question of importance
He admitted that such a reciprocity might be estr
,Uth.eni.donifLualttitehsensfamthee
-blishedi but the time to have done so was at tile,
tEimuciphierewt
ansigrehatdyre
arrangement, but if so, brin the question fairly be-
.fore the House.; 1 Iris Members have nniit!
to attend, but-=let not the House be in doubt whr
the/
.such- Militia was intended or nor. ll'
Hon. Baronet (Sir WM. EusktistE) had said, Why'
did.not those Who found fault with the condua
Ministers; "propose some measures of energy which.
they wished to be ad'opred ?—but to propose plans'
and. projects, only. belonged to those who were ta
share in their execution ;- it was the duty of Parli2o
ment, however, to find fault with the plans which
gtouiargercae ttilas;.
were proposed. Thek'fiad entered into a War at s.'
time; for a cause, and-in a situation of Europe'
which renders it difficultfor the greatest Genius of
-the age' tasuggest a mode of p,rocuring a speedY
honourable Peace. Ministers would no e leen
procure' Peace, or ptepare for War, and tviart
seemed to triumph that no one could sugg',4r:lffi.::ul-
for extricating -the -C.ouritry from those
heY
ties which .they themselves had create`'
AC
we re angry when it was suggested that the vice
ought to be carried -on, with energy, bee'
they' had diSplayed, no energy, but the energy
,cy
mischief,. He had never spoken of the defic'ct.
in the l'alents of Ministers,. but hi could "t help
remarking, that upon that point they appeate
ri
feel very sore, something like Grildrig at the CO
of Brobdignag, who, cons6ous of the littlenes9 °
his stature, endeavoured, by every possible man%
to make up for it; and informed the King. that !I'
Countrymen possessed the means -of destroVo%
towns, and- causing a conflagration over
globe; -but the King, after listening to Ililn;to,
some time; said,"" you -are- a cnntemptible
wretch, and I do not-.wiiti to have any thing
say to you." ex,
Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY and Mr. i\•"*.

plained.. -
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEeriaEI4
said, that
.in replying to the arguments of the 7,1
Gentleman, he should not follow him throug`t;s
the topics into Which he had entered, awi o f the
,clinently should' not occupy much of the dole ob-
1-,:tuse. It. had been contended that tile this
j was to increase the disposable force itn in.
Country, and that this measure only Wentitl the
creasef the- force that was n)t disposable ;
first place he begged leave to observe, that b)' it
ing over ten thousand of the Militia of Itelan'aig.
would set at liberty a'considerable part of our dor
potable force ; and zdly, . he wished to state'
this was only a part of the plan proposed 11Y, 00.
nisters•, because his Rt.: Hon. Friend has Al, able
- tice of his intention of proposing a very con9oel"
addition .to the Regnlar Force of the -CountrYn. de-
was-by'no means the intention of Nlinisters
crease the Force in irela,nd, for the effet
very Me;istlie would enable Griiternmeori if nec
o 0
sary, to increase the Force in Ireland, with on
Regular TrciOps of the Line. , The Gent.,..-for
. the other,side had constant) attacked Mitli're',,,can
not increasing the Regular Force, and in 'he '-ore
time they ,had regularly opposed every i''',.l-00-
.brought 'forward for the Defence of the ‘-‘')
crease
try the Army of. 'Reserve the ',teer
of the Militia, the Defence , Bill, the Voll4cp.
Bil)s, had all been opposed; .and now, when
sure was ptopoied to increase otir disposable .1.-30,
it met with a similar opposition. It had bee" shirg
that since the commencement of the War, i-fi
e
,:had 'been done to accelerate its conclusioo• r the
duty of'Minitei's-on'the commencement ns fir
N.V.t a 4, addopt the most .effectual Join?,
the security• of. the Cotintry, because bY
so, they would Place the-Enemy in this
isiTu the}.
Tthey abandoned the attempt at
_lnv3s)-°n'a pub,
-most be•covered with .shame,• after having,s,..,en.
Jickly and ostentatiously announced their
inirhe
rr thin ;if they male the attempt and faile" 11
'haVe all the. -disgrace of defal. 4 cd C.
sttuattan of security the Ministers 113"
Country ; but it hail bsen said, that ''"
,‘
iCpith
geti, 1
'-^ridliS to the British Arms had been ac

answer to this, he begged to state, that there was I
no instance in any former War, in which we had
in the first year of it gained so many advantages
over the Enemy, as we had in the present War.
•During the Negotiation, Ministers had taken the
precaution to send out instructions to the West In-
dies, desiring the Commanders to take measures in
case of the renewal of Hostilities, for attacking
the Possessions of the Enemy, and for intercepting
any reinforcements they might be sending out to
their Colonies.—The consequence of this was, that
when the War commenced, Saint Lucia, Tobago,
Demerara, Essequibo, &c•
immediately
taken. He then adverted to. thewere exertions which
had been made for the Defence of the Country, and
said, that we had a greater number of men in arms
than any Nation in the w
compare the orld. He did net mean to I
'Volunteers with the veteran Troops of
France, but still he relied upon them as an essential
means of defence. We had now ~f Regular Troops,
including Militia in Great Bri,ain and Irelaid, '
184.
had ,000 men, r:tolt aan„file ; independent of these
we 400,000 Volunteers, who were, with the
exception of I e or 20.000 men, completely armed ;
so that we had a fotce of 580,000 men for the de.
fence of thes Kingdoms, and we were now only ten
months at War. It had been said, that the number
of Regular Traps in this C ,unity did not exceed
20,000 men ; in answer to this he desired to state,
that the amount of the Regular Force in this King-
dom was 44,800 men, and that the number of Ca.
italrY in Great Britain and Ireland was above 17,00 D
men; so that the Military Force of the Country
teas within 4,000
which it men of the greatest number-at
was at any period of the last War. He
then adverted to the glorious successes which we had
Obtained in India, and begged to ask any Gentle.
Men if they could sav, when they contemplated those
Successes, that the any British Arms had not acquired
glory in this War? With regard to the mea-
"r.e bef''re the House, he did not say it was free
troth objedion. but he contended, that the objec-
tions to it were not equal to ti e advantages which
Vould be derived from it.
Mr. Fox explained.
. M. FRANCIS said, that Ministers could claim
to Merit from the successes in India, because they
M
nothing of the War, and he was afraid that
our conduit in India would furnish. Bonaparte with
ttglimeents to justify his condutt to the Powers of
scents
Lir. LAWRENCE expressed his disapprobation
or the measure
the sticcesses which it was
. boasted we had obtained
in the West Indies, they,
Were obtained without any effort ; and
to the orders which
Ministers with regard
said they had sent out
to the Commanders in the West Indies, he had
seen some of them, arid he affirmed that they were
dated on the 16th May, w Ivan to commence hostilities, The Hun, Gentleman
when it was determined
was then proceeding t
-° comment upon some argu.
inents which had been used upon a form" "casi"
by General MAITLAND, when. he was called to or-
der by
GgnerallVl
*ttei to an Ali/LAUD, who said it was irregular to
•
sion, parti y
br thin which passed on a former occa.
, "lady as he had not_a right t' reply.
'LA arty
aft few general observations,
Concluded With expressingiera
his disapprobation- of the
Bill.
The CHANChLLOR the EXCHEQUER in
lit of
131anation said,' that the orders to commence hosti.
ies in the West Indies, of course, were not sent
out till the Negotiation had broke off, but he
averred that the orders to which he had alluded were
sent out early in March.
' Serictint BEST said, he h;ghl
aneasure y approved of of the .
Should , because, independent of the advantages we
gain by having so much more of our dispose-
able forte set at liberty, he thought great benefit
would result from mutually interchanging the Mili-
tias of the two Countries.
as if it was Gentlemen had argued
proposed by this Bill immediately to
draw_ the 10,000 men from Ireland, but as he un-
derstoo
to d the Bill it was
merely to give His Majesty
Militia
!Power accept the voluntary offers of the Irish
whenever he should find it expedient.
de • gOEINSTONE wished to know why if or-
rs
ere the corne•rrna sent out to the West Indies to diced
ndets to Prepare for hostilities in case the
War should c
°nutlet-ice, similar orders had not been
sent to the East - - Linois's Squadron Indies ?in that case Admiral
Lord Would not
have escaped.
Linois's Squadron '''"Gli said, that Admiral
reached the East Indica on the
22d of June, and that it was impossible that any
intelligence of the War, which commenced on the
16th May, could have reached our Commanders by
that time.
Mr. KINNAI
, RD said a few Words against the.
Niotion, anti it
- was supported by Col. VEREKEit
and Col. Hti resit NSON.
Lord DE BLAQUIERE did not approve of the
present plan, but he thought very considerable ad-
ir_ age.s would ensure if the Militia of
Countries were interchanged.
Me. ALEXANDER defe -1 -1 ' Bill the two
n.-eo toe and re.
pelled the charges which had been thr ' , inst
own out.aga ,
the Administration of weakness• •
and imbecifitty, ana
Commented at some
the Hon• length upon the inconsistency of
Gentlemen on the other side, (Mr. Fox
and Mr. WitinnAl4.)
Mr. IPINDI/4M said, as the House were im-
patient for the Question, he would take an oppor-
tunity of stating his sentiments in some future stage
of the Bill.
The House then divided.
For the Speaker leaving the Chair, 94
Against ir, - - - 37

Majority, The House then went into a Committee upon the
'Dill) and after some discussion (while strangers were
excluded), the Report was ordered to be received
t°-reorrowe
The- CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
gave notice, that he should, in the Committee of
tlsuply, on Friday, move the Miscellaneous Services.
e also said he should to-morrow move for a Seleet
_omits
t ee, to consider the Petitions from the
k;ouatie of Norfolk and Suffolk, respecting the Ex-
Portation of Grain.
The other Orders of the Day were postponed ;
4rld at Twelve o'Clock the House adjourned till to.

• DUE.
liarnburgh

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ARRIVED.

PRICE OF STOCKS, -
THIS DAY AT TIMELY& O'CLOCK. .
'Consols

THE'SUN.

SOLE-m QUIS DICERE FALSUM AUDEAT?

LONDON, APRIL 12, 1804.

Os the Kentish Coast an attempt on the part of
the Enemy is expelled almost hourly. By a pri.
vate Letter from Dungeness, we learn that the
Troops stationed at die different Batteries are con-
tinually kept on the alert, and that the Officers are
not permitted to be for a moment absent from their
posts.

SOME interesting particulars respetling the Mur.
der of the puke d'ENotir EN, extracted from Private
Letters of the z+th ult. will be found in a subse-
quent Column. They, if possible, display that ad
of barbarity in a still more atrocious point of view.
It is stated to have produced everywhere sensations
which perhaps it is not easy to describe, hut which
cannot fail, we think, to render the Corsican Usurper
detestable in the eyes of France and of Europe. His
fears were evidently shewn by the cfrivate mariner
in which the unfortunate Duke was,executed, and
must likewi;,e, we apprehend, have didated a prohi-
bitiun against publishing the, event, that being the
only mode by which we can account for its not be-
ing mentioned in• the Patis Papers of later date.

Letters from Malaga, of the Bth ult. state, that
the Court of Madrid had at length given orders for
that Port to be opened, and a free intercourse to be
re-established between the Country and Town.
The Port was in consequence immediately opened.

Yesterday morning His MAJESTY rode in the
Queen's Riding-House.
About twelve o'clock the LoRD CIIANCELLOa
had an Audirnce of His MAJESTY.

In the course of the day His MAJESTY signed a
number of Official Papers.
Yesterday the DUKE of KENT dined with thit
MAJESTY.

yesterday ab:iut half past three o'cloCk, the ,Rtis
sian Ansbassador had an audience of Lord HAWK ES.
BURY, at his Office in Downing-street.
Yesterday the Gentlemen who have formed liSts
with an intentio►l to bid for the Irish Loan, had
another interview with Mr. Coßail', the Chancellor
of the Exchequer for that kingdoin, when he in-
6)rmed them that he shoUld be ready to receive
A biddin in Ireland fora Loan of 1,250,0:.0
And if this atmant of the sum wanted should .. •
be contradea ter in Ireland, then the fur-
•_

_
ther sum to be raised here would be at least i,000,000

Making together

0,250,000

Of which sum about siX millions and a quarter
would be wanted for the service of Ireland, and the
rest for the Empire. He begged, however, to be
understood that he could not pledge himself to
the precise sum. He could only say, that the
whole Loan would not be less than 16,150,0001.
The first bidding will therefore bei fur the Irish
part, in Dublin, on the 19th inst.
Stocks, which had risen to 01 in the morning,
fell upon this to 551, and left off at 551.

Yesterday a Ballot was held at the East India_
House, when

Sir Francis Baring, Bart. Sir Thomas Theophilus
.Sir Hugh highs, Bart. calfc, Bart.
Paul Le Mesurier, Esq. and Gco. Woodford Thellusson,
Alderman, Esq.
John Manship, Esq.
were eleded Directors for four years, in the room of
lacob Bosanquet, Thomas Reid,
I usepli Cotton, . 3 lin Robert:, arid
Edward Parry, • Robert Thornton, Esqrs.
who go out by rotation.

Yesterday a Court of Direaors was held at the
East India House, when JAMES NE.I LD, Esq. was
te-elcaed the Company's Commissioner for the
general purposes of the Income Tax.=—The follow..
ing Commanders took leave, viz. `WILLIAM DUNS_
FORD, of the Ceres; HENRY HALKETT, Of the
Cufnells; THOMAS B. PEIRCE, of the Taunton
Castle; JAMES JAMESON, of the Arti;slo7l JAMES
DALRYNIPLE, of the Tottenham ,1‘ and JASPER Lo..
VETT, of the Lord Eldon.
_ _ _

The Court adjourned at Six o'Clock till this day.
A List of the Regiments and Companies of the
Irish Militia, which have made a voluntary tender
of their Services, to be employed in any part of
Great Britain during the War :

Wexford ; Kerry ; North Mayo Battalion, except !four or
the privates ; the Live Battalion Companies and Light Coin-
pany of the Leitrim Regiment, except is Men -; South Mayo,
with the exi,ception of Lieut. Denis LrOwne ; Monaschan ;
Armagh; South Cork ; Derry; Carlow; Limerick County.;
Five Companies of theWicklow ; Londonderry ; Tipperary;
Seven Companies of the Monaghan ; Antrim- • Royal Meath.
Total,Officers 266—N on-commissioned Officers 571,--and
Rank and File 6,058.

There was we find a Mistake in the List of Mino-
rity on Mr. PITT'S Motion for an Inquiry into the
Condua of the Admiralty, which we gave in oar
Paper sonic time ago, accurate as we bad reason to
believe it to be. The names of JosHuA Szatrit,
HARDIMAN, and PORTMAN, should have been °mt.
ted, and those of Lords ARCHIBALD HAMILTcN,
SPENCER, and STANHOPE, and GREEN of DUngit.
von substituted in their place, which alteration we
believe makes the list we presented to our Reae:.rs
perfettly correet.

A Letter received by a commercial house inthe
City, desires them not to ship some coffee thatl4ad
been ordered for a Danish Part, as it was verNge-
nerally believed, that in a few days a French lorcc
would occupy Tonningen, and ail the other Wish
Ports in that neighbourhood.