The Sun.
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such regulations should originate with the Com-
manding Officer, •and mole other. He.was partici)...
lady anxious. with regard to the establishment of his .
last proposition.,.beoause he thought lie could per.:
ceive a,dispositiOn in the Noble.LOid to, compro;
mise 'the prOiee, and_ to admit,: tliat.,although it.
;wad be proper that the .originating power should
reside in the Cominanding Officer, yet that cases
may arise where it would tie prudent in him to.con-
suit and refer to.the colleaive opinion•Of the Corps.
Lord HAWKESBURY agreed 'in many of the
..opinians.-..0f-the Noble Lord. He wished- that those
regulations had never existed ; but as-Parliament, for
some years past, had acquiesced in-them,'. he could
not see upon, what principles of consistency or ptib-
lic.faith it could now be Endeavoured to put an end
to them. The mischiefs which the NObteLord ap-
prehended from those regulations were not, he would
contend, :so probable as were supposed,-and.for this'
strong reason, thai whenever they shOuld tie placed
on permanent duty, or Called out in case of appear--
ince of Invasion, there would be an endstO'ill -their •
rules., and regulations,.arid they would, in either of
those two 'instances,. be.subjell. to the. operation.of
the Mutiny Laws, like- the-rest of His Majesty's
Forces. AS the Clause of .his Noble Friend suffi-
ciently provided against-future dangers, and as from
the tried prudence and loyalty of the Volunteers, he
was justified in • presuming., that by far the'graatest
part of. them would be ready to recast their rcgula_
dons,' or to adopt such alterations as His Majesty.
should recommend, he would persist in supporting.
the original Clause: - .
The Duke of MONTROSE lamented that either
the preceding or the .present Government should
have, either direaly or by connivance, sanaioned the
pratlice Of allowing' men with arnis in their hands to.
assume a deliberative capacity. He thought it the'
duty of. Parliament to crush, by their-formal and
open declaration, the possibility of it for the future..
A 4 the Clanse intended to be proposed by the Noble
Lord would most fully effea that, it should have
his support,, and he 'would -therefore, • althoUgh he
did not wholly, disapprove -of the present Clause,
vote for:the-Motion for expunging it.
Loret-HQBART did not meAn,, after what had
..
been urged_ in reply to-the Noble Lord who made
the original Motion, to enter at large-upon ohesub-
jeCt., but he rose for the purpose of repelling some
observations thrown out by the Noble Lord, tend-
ing, in- his judgment, to produce all the mischiefs
they proposed to advert. He alluded. to that part
of his argument, wherein he called upon Parliament
- todo- their duty, regardless .of any consequences
that may follow ; -and not to have it imagined that
they were-to be intimidated by-the numbers or ex-
tent of the Volunteer Force, from crushing their
• Committees, and abolishing the prat-lice of deliberat-
ing. -..1-le could not sit silent, and hear it asserted,ihat
a Briiish Legistatute could be ever deterred froM
the performance of its duty, or the maintenance.
of its authority, by :any body or bodies of-men. He
, thought too well of the principles of loyalty and pa-
triotism by which the Volunteers were. actuated,: to
suppose that they, would ever be
_guilty 'of the,crime
of rashly setting themselves up against Parliament ;•
but if they should, he trusted that Parliament would
always be found competent to the task of putting
them down. The original Clause. would, by its
operation, accomplish, by gentler, and as effeaual
I means, all that the Noble Lord prornicil .to:hina-
self from the adoption of his substitute for it, and
therefore it should have his support.- ,
The Question was then put on the Motion for
. expuogiog the Clatfse :
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. Non,Contents,
Contents,

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Majority
A new Clause was prc.iposed by LiirdGit ENV I LLE,
and adopted.
Some other Amendments were made, and the Lill
was passed, and-ordered to be sentback to the Com-
mons as amended.

Lord HOBART move& that as the printed Copies
were on the Table; the Irish Militia Augmentation
Bill should be read a seconiFtitne" to-morrow, and
that the Lords should be summoned.

Adjourned to three o'clock to.motrow.

'HOUSE OF COMAIDNS,

WEbNESDAY, APRIL I

Mr. SHAW, returned Member for the City of
Dublin, in the room of J. C. BERESFORD, Esq. took
the usual oaths and his sear.
Lord-MARSHAII reported from the Committee on
the Middlesex Eiedion, that Benjamin Lee, a per-
son duly summoned to give evidence before that
Committee, had dis Obeyed the, summons ; and
moved, that he be committed no the custody of the
Serjeant at Arms—Ordered.
The pursuant •to the Order of the Day,
resolved itself info a Committee, • to consider of the,
Irish Revenue Regulation Ad„ Resolved, on the
mbtiori of Mr; CORRY, that the.said Aa be further
continued ;Ind amended.--Ordered to be reported

Colonel G,ltooN presented some Accounts from
the Barrack Department.—Ordered to lie on the
Table.

Mr. ELLIOT moved for a return of the puticu-
lars'of the Charges,for Incidents, Allowpnces, Pen-
sions, and Gratuities upon the Departmcnt of the
.Barrack Board in. Ireland, since January 'So I.
Orde red.