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these points the Houee -was.Jeft in •total ign .
Such was .the ieformationeetecie which .the
was last Session called upon to pass this Bale fle
for one, would not have, given his vote for it, ty
less from a ceevietiott thee Minister,. would hare
taken the earliest opportunity of putting the 1i00..e
jn possee.s.i•tra. Of, the hiforneati.ni
,up in the
suhjeet. en. now he. wait, net erepared to gi vethis
rrfgative, because Ireland might be in such,
situation as to render itai.silutely necessary, but
He thought he did not esk. too much; when it rte_
,quiredsome documeote, some evidence, some infor.'
titmice, to enable him to judge whether it was ne.
cessary,or nut. .He would riot therefore oppose te .
Bill, but he hoped. Out its progress would be sus.
pendedfor some day!, io ordet that. Vii
make some. communication upon the snbjeet.
bad consequenceetauld • result from this delay, hoe
cause the' Bill now., in force. would- tea exet re tut
eemtestley.se ft would perhaps kr' %nide that the
4elouseliught to vote this eel; trete eeefideeee in He,
V.sfejOteis ediei,ettiS, bet this wa'a 'precisely thecase
in they ought not to votedeen Conti ich it,
because it the, measure was, necessary Mieistets
must be, in possession of documents- or evidence to
prove its necessity, and therefore they Ought not io
call for confidenee but to, give information. It may
be objected that I and the Gentleisi!n who sit crz-r
me have declared', that :we have no confideece in /lig
IVlejeetee's • present Mieisteret upon at occasion,
but he would stippest for a moment that he bad con-
fidence in them—if he had; the con ;equenceinust be,
tii4t he :must oppicie the I .tr such was the
whinutAral nature of the c,te that those who
placed Ronfidence in the .Mieisters were. as strongly
bound to oppose :the tail as those wiyi did not, tl."
would suppose then for a Moment, he believed
in the declarations and assertions of Minister:,
how must be at}. Why, first he would look at the
King's Speech, at;d there ice sy'utilel find the
,Intorree.
lion :in Ireland spoken of as a thing that was past --,
Parliament were told, that the strougest hopes were
entertained that the deluded People of Om (ceuetry
would,: by a coinparist)e of tie blessings thee v
joyed under the British Consritutihn, with lk,!iie
Nation of People living untkr ii' her Governments.,
be letV.to return to !heir duty and. allegiance. This,
by the way, was the first time he had, ever heard
the blessings of our Constitutiop spoken of, by Go-
verslment, in. this way.. , He hed alvays been ac.
eustoined to hear them: spOken of positively, and
not put in comparison with those of other Govern..
tnents. The only other information he cituld have
recourse r•i, was ,the Dials which had taken place
in Ireland. If he looked to. them, he found the
fire( Law Qt cees- of . the Crown there speaktror of
the insutreCtiort as the most eonremptil)le th
ever broken Contefiviettk. from the o: au:
tank. and talents, in the Leaders, cormonpiibli.
from the want. bf nuinb?rs in. the Insurgents.—
This,. then, , was the inference he must draw,
,if
he placed confidence in His Majesty".i. Ministers,
viz. that the insutredine was past, that no ,new
disturbance had happeeed, that there . was the
strongest reason ta,hope that the People would
turn to their allegiance, and that the IntiUtrediois
was at the worst, the roost contemptible iule that
ever happened ; and, from all this .the consequence
was to be. that he was-immediately to vote for Mar..
tial Lew
,in Ireland. He lout oat looked: into tlle
preamble, of the Bill, tiut if it was drawn in con.
latently with the languagof Ministers, it must run
something in this way ; .Whereas a Most con,
iemPtihle ahiliesignificatit insutredion having bro.
ken out in Ireland, which has been sti ressed, and
whereas no new losurtection has breken out, but
there is, every reitSau to hope that the People are
,rep
turning. to their Allegiance, eberefore be it enaeled,
that Martial Law be protlaimed in Ireland,'' This
must be. 40ov:thing very like ltte lateguegee lur.,if
Mittisttrs were eoesistents therjo4" 4141'e in the
Preamble
,that there %Vete flu gtpuuds for the Bill.
House would recoiled. with what exultetion
one, ofetiie ,Mojesty's Miniteers had observed.at the
eo*nericement of the-War, that this War was une
H like others----that herie4yee rut suspension of the
Habeas .Corpos Ad, .no y eine ..of the Privileges
of the l'eople, yet within One short . week,
sifter that boast was matte, down came that very
same Right Honourable Geetlernae.. with two
Bills in his band, 'one for sue pnding the f lakiis,
Corpus, acrd the other .for procleirnieg Martial Law,.
in Ireland I _But the very !teat a ivu, which was the,
basis hi, this Rill, called for While the,
Ministers were indulging thems4lyes applate.ce o(
the Peaee.of Amiens; the ,in !relent were
Potgring stores ; but. Ministers would not allew
that ttw,were surprized. If they,. were-not sure
.prized, if they knew of the intended insurrection,
what means did they take toetrevent it I
Beteetill they, *ere pot: surprized.. might.
triteehey were not, :but he could not help doubting: \
it, :end. therefore he wished for inquiry.. No.
could have a greateelesped for the Noble Lord. et
the.,4eid of the Government of Ireland than he had,
butlt was that very resped that made him aneioue
thatea teansadion, that.appeared so doubttul should
be , fully inquired . ipso. He begged to aeis the.
Hose, -whether if this Insurrection had heppeeed in
Loildorciostead of Dublin, that all therciteumsteeeee
were the same,. antithat they had just! el)eeettner '
formation before them. that they had now, he wettlsk
ask Jhem-solernely, whether • te. such a- ,CAse!
would pass such a 1.14111•? lie was surf they eepelt‘.
rtni,e he Was. tote no Minister
Without laying , chore ample informetion ,befetT„.
them--..1f each a measure weuld 'not proppsOita
this Country under such eircime.eauces, whyei4ti4
it be proposed for Ireland?. Why wet; theettfetesol,
Ireland to he treated superficially 1..
ecats,, it,
probably should be told,. Oust 4.0411 tatctn ils tilAithh
be produdive of mischicYouatetlecqutneeoS. 0)11,4,

ccntended that no mischief could ensue if Ministers
attest as they ought .to do ; no mischief could ensue,
because by Taking this statement, he gave them
time to prevent any danger that might happen—He
hoped and trusted that Ministers wmila alter their.
system of condua, for if they did- not' he might
live to see the day when he thOuld have to repent
of his having given his vote for the Union.—He
would not now trespass any longer upon the atten-
tion of the :House. He had before stated that he
did not mean to oppose the Bill, he only wished that
it might be postponed until the Honie could be put
in possessiOn of the inforMation necessary to enable
them to decide fairly opon the question. •
Mr. Secroary YOkICE said; it would not be ne.
cessary for him tit, occupy much' of the time of the
House in replying to the Han. Gentleman, •parti.
cularly as he had commenced and :concluded: his
speech by declaring that lie did imi.tneanio oppose
this Bill—The Hoh.Gentlemari had however,' in.
troduced into hiss speech, an attack upon the.
Irish Government, 'acrd • had also accused that
House of not takirlg due . care . of the affairs of
Ireland, and upon these "pOints he would, with die.
permission of thellouse, maker few observations.-
The Him. Gentletniin had made his Charges in.very.
strong•tet'ins, but white he found the fads to justify
his charges he could not imagine.. He 'had 'dealt
iety • liberally in his asset lions, that Sitflicie,nt at.
tension wig, not paid to the of s of Ireland. What
'he meant by tlroseassertions he was at a, loss to
guess, for he hatl'etsat condeaceeded to pointout any
one ins!nn,e s; hid! the interests of that Country
had was alnuist imposiihle'to
answer-a geoerul assertion: ire any other way.than
by a general denial; 'but if the Hon. Gentleman was
serious-in his charges, he should really be happy. if
he would bring fiirsvattl sOme•specifte he
would Make some distind accusation and not con-
tent. hin)i,elf with: vague assertion, WhiCh it was as
difficult to comprehend as it was to answer-;--until
that was done, until he -knew to what tart of
the condat of- Ministers the lion. Gentleman
plied 'his censure, be could (Ally meet- general
rges with positive denials. The Honourable
Gentleman had stated that those Members who had
given their votes for the Union between Great
Britain and Itetand, were- hound to pay particular
attention to the. affitirs -of the latter Ccuntry. • It
appeared to hith that. this tva
.the duty of every
!October of that }rouse, as well as of those who'had
Toted for the Unto°. :The principal ground of the
uhjeClion df the Hon. Gentleman was, that
1-louse was not in possession of sufficient informa.
been to enable. them to decide upon this subject:"
What information the Hon. Gentleman expeded or.
required he was unable to guess;. for though he had
complained repeatedly. of the w.aot.of inform:lth)%
he-had' in no one instance stated the points with re.
spe6 to which he thought further ioformation. was
necessary. '.What was the informatioo•now before.
the House upon this sol,jeeti 'First, that an Inwr,.
reelion had broken our, in the Capital of Ireland, ;it_
tended with most dreadful atrocities. It was no.
torious to the l-louse, and to. the. Country, that one
of the great'objeds of 'the EneMy wai to use the
tif InsurteCtion in Ireland to Serve his os...ri
purposes against the Empire at large. It appeased
to hint that .I‘s,llouse- being in.possession of these
two fans, was•atuunple justification to them
passing this Bill. With regard to what- he had
said ab Jut the •conduft of the .• Government ':of.
Ireland, I e could only repeat what, he had be.
fore said, that unless he would bring some spe.
cific Charge,. •unless • he would-.point out that
part of their which he- considered us
-culpable, it would. be • impossible to give. hinv.si
distinet answer.—The Hon. Gentleman had tepeat.•
edly, aiserted, that the Government of Ireland .were
sutprized, and he -asserted that they had taken! no ,
precautions against the insurgents. He would ensin...:
tain that they were not suprized, that they' were:
apprized of the insurredion, and that they had 'taken
all the neeessaryprecautiposThey tad takers- the
precaution of having a very ittonggartisonin-Dub.
I ti.--they had four 'Regiments of Infantry( :and brie
of the finest Regitnenta.of Cavalry in, Etitope,..the
t 6th Light Dragcions,in-Dublin at that time,making
together a garrison of:near 4oeso men.—Hernain-
tained, therefore,- Oat they Nutlike!) every fleces.
nary precaution,hit (he security of 'the
vainly they had mit taken care to prevent the- Insur.
_._ k,..11(1w
'valor, from breaking o VC!, .well out,-nor did he
what steps could be. taken for' ',that phrposc—liut
surety, nobody wculd say, that 'the City of Dublin
was in any danger from an Insuncition.whichbroke
out in • Dirty 'Lane and ended in . Cutourit Al.
ley ?—The idea of their attaeltink the Castiest#o*.
too absurd to obtain' a 01010e0T'S credits .11/41)::
it was well known that the -greaten number 'of.
TrisurwAsts theiy -Leader could eolith when he sal.
lied. forth was Eighty men, and•those Is deserted
in less than halt art 'hour, and made his escape
into the Country: l'ite Irish Government did know
that the Insurretlion was to- take place, and the
precautions they took were such, that the. low._
rettion laste i not more than an hoar, Itsvactru4
Lord KIN prior Was' murdered, hutt that was not
the fao t of (..yovei nment. That Nobk Lord, hear.
trig of .the- rnsurrettion; set out from-hkcountry.
house to come to town; his coming in at that part
of the towwwas purely accidental ; it would perhaps
have jnen more •ptudent if he had not come to town
that nighr, or i(he had entered it at any part except
one inhabited' by a cla.;s of people the most likely
to join in an otyrage, of that kind. But, the
lion..Gendetnan seemed_ to think this Bill ought
not to pass unless some specific inforMation wasl:l4l-
befOre the *House : he could only say, that the first
time, this Bill was-pasmi in t tiott,the House- passed
it upon the same .information that they had now
before theto, viz, a knowledge Of those filets which
%vete notoribus tti.all the world.:, Without irespas.
sing longer upOn the House, hp , would ask that,
}lnn. Geritleniart-, wl:ettler front his knowledge of
the state of Ireland, and of the designs of the Erie.
my, he woulrseriously say that this Bill ought'
tsar 16 be • passed P. He hoped: that the House
would 'nor confound • together this Bill anti the
Concluft of 'the Irish Governmeet. With rvgard to
the Bill the' Gentleinfo humbeo
was r.ot. pre.
pared logi-ve it tt, negative, and as to the coodutt of
the IrisliGOVernniept, he could only say, that when ,
any specific charge was brought fotWard it should
be answered—As to theinsinuations which had bien

thrown out against the Government of this Country
for negleding the safety of Ireland, he would answer
it with one single fedi Which was, that they; hail
prop ased for Ireland a peace establishment of 25,000
men—Upon all these.grountis he hoped- ;hat the
"House would without hesitation concur in the ma.
tion for the second reading of the Bill.- •
Cdovel CR AUFORD•szhi, it appeared from the
statements of-Minieters, that a contemptible riot in
Dublin formed the only ground' for thepresent mea.
sure. Ilk was considered what passed during that
contemptible riot, he feared there was much to la. •
merit on the score of 'want of vigilance. It was
said by Ministers, that the Irish Government knew
of the Insurrection, and "yet the LOrd Lieutena nt,-
on the day on which it broke out, went • to/ his
country house, the Lord Chancellor went to dine
with him; and Lord Kilwarden, who was supposed
on be, as' much In the confidentee of Gavernment its
any one, knew nothing at all-of the matter.' Ir was
evident that the Irish Government knew nothing
esethe: Rebel Depot of arms and ammunition ; and
he was informed, that on the night of the Insur,o
redion, the Troops
.in Dublin- heti only three rounds
of ball cartridge, and that the Yeonianry could get,
none e his italirmation also went to this, that some
of the Garrison had been allowed to leave Dublin.'
:All these circumstances tended to shew. how ._little
the Government of -Ireland were prepared for the
event ; not could he agree with the Right Hon.
Secretary of State as to the state of that Insurrec.
tion. :He could not give his vote upon this occa.
Ilion, without lamenting sincerely that no expres.
sion of Ministers bad held nut the hope to the Irish,
People of taking the state of Ireland into consiticra.
Lion. He wished, that the People of that Country .
should not be reduced to the necessity of compar.
ing themselves with the People o' France, for the.
purpose of deducing from thence a comparative de- .
grec of happiness; but they might be enabled. to*
consider thenutelveth as really end solidly. happy
..when compared with the People of this Country.
Mr. FRANCIS said, his oblation to the present
meat ore was, that supposing information had been
furnished to His Majesty's Ministers by the Irish
Government, that information +was not laid before
the oouse. When Martial LAW was prooosed to
he established,. something moree• was. necessary to
.;warrant it than the mere declaration. of MinisterN.
MI that we had upon. the present occasion was His
,Majesty's Speech, ,froth which be was to conclude
that Ole state of Ireland was, with respal to irisur.
tation, considerably improved; . and no one could
read. that Speech without, drawing the same ..info,
rence. Since that he' had: received information. from
various qtewers, all concurring in the opinion that
the state of Ireland, ,quond the spirit of Itisurrcelion,
was extremely improved, and this, concurrence nt
information had left an impression on his mind highly
favourable to such an opiniOn.. He now leant', tram
• the measure before the 11 ruse; that. all these opi.
'Mons were unfounded, fur he mild not,suppose that
any men of common.scnee would-think of bringing
in a Bill 'Why a whole Country under Mat tial Law,
without they considered that Coontry. to . be in. an
alarming state: Ttte only argument that could he •
urged in support of a measure like this was Necessity;
it) that every thing must give way ; but if there
was any necessity for it• in this case, let it be proved.
,If there was no case of necessity, made out, there
were many objeaions to the measure ; one was,
.that it wils telling Boeaparte that Ireland was ready
to receive him, and that the People Of that Country
were in such a state that, the present measnre'was
absolutely necessary to keep them down. At any
_rate, specifiegrounds ought to be stated for a mea.
sere _like the present.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that One'observa-
tion of his Hen. Friend fMr. ELL toT) seemed to
imply..a want of attention on the part
,of that House
the affairs: of Irelantl. Such an observation lie
-.could not helP considering as dangerous, particular.
.ly as it might be circulated amongst a people whose
feelings
,were frequently, much more ardent than
their, judgment deliberate.' Nor Was it just to in.
ler any such want, of` attention on the part of ,Go.
vernment, becouie they did not bring forward 'fans
and eircumstancei Which did not appear to them to
be, necessary. .Still less could any Such inference be
made because. a 'measure like. the present passed
without deliberation ; were they to infer from the
unanimity of Parliament that ,the
.vigilance of Go.
vernment ought to be impeached? Scne' fads had
been stated by a gallant Qgi*i-(Cot..•g.lttatritOttn)
Which were referable to anothetirransadion, and if
any part of the conslud of the Irish Goveintnent
,upon the occasion alluded 'to called for. discussion, •
he wished the ,question, to he deliberately argued,
and not lugged in by. a side.wind, or frittered away
uptin collateral topics., Leek be brought into, dirt,
cussionas one whole combined system, and if his
Hun.. Friend (Mr. Rotator) had any charges to
make upon that subjeci, he (Lord CASTLERRAGEI)
was ready to meet him. As to the main point,
whether a prodigal 'ground was established for the
present measure, his Hon, Friend (Mr.. Lleero.t) said
he,had no objeftion to it if it was proved to be neces.
sary. Hie Hort, Frientibad truly stated, titt measures
like the present had' been precededby inquiries into
the grounds of those measures. There were other
cases, howeveri. where. the Legislature Initialled
upon an immediate view of the circumstances oldie
Case, where its osvn understanding was convinced ;
thus when the Cost Martial Law Bill passed the
Parliament of Ireland, that body 'tided upon the no..
toriety of the circumstances which called for the
measure. His Hon. Friend' had truly. stated, that
in elle year 5799-,. when' only 'partial •Insurrediona
existed, in .Ireland, anti when the. Government of
that Country thought that, eodaeger would result
from a Cominittee of Inquiry, 'e Secret ComMittee
waaaonoinled, and upon the 'subsequent teport of
'that Committee .the Martial: Law Bill 'ayes Ossed.
13isehis Hon. Friend would•agree that it was not in
all cases a matter of. indifference to make cominuni.
cations to Secret Committees, and. he must feel the
-difficulty of such CoMmittee making a report,
without in some measure embarrassing the t)pera
timid. of Government.' In discussing the grounds of
measures like • the present, it should berecolletted
that the Country might be placed iii such 4 situation
as to 'require that the arm 'of GovernMent should be
rendered stronger.as a precautionary measure, . and
the objed should then be to', prevent titat:danger
which might result front having the Executive Co.

vernment with its arm unnerved and its power un-
supported. He was atithe same time disposed to
admit that the ground of the prlsent measure was,
perhaps, weaker than on
.any former occasion.
When a similar measure was first proposed to the
Parliament of Ireland, they. passed it -without
inquiry,. in consequence of the notoriety of the
Treason which they had to encounter. This was of
course no groomd now, but Was it uotle to say that
at a period when Ireland was materially improved,
as it undoubtedly was in loyalty and attachment to
Government, yet notwithstanding this, a fewindi.
.vitloals were found rash enough to hazard .their lives
for the purpose of overturning the Government, and
destroying the constitution. There Was also a cir-
cumstance now which did..not exist at any forme!
period ; this was, the intemion of invading this
Country and Ireland,on the pact of a foreign Enemy,
so clearly manifested. , Therefore, if Insurrthion
was not traceable in. so great a Alegree, yet the.•
danger' of Invasion was displayed in a greater de.,
gree. They saw that under the most favourable
circumstances Rebellion had broken out in' Ireland;.
if therefore the House considered this circumstance
connected with the. threat of Invasion, was there no!
ground to strengthen the arm of the Executive
. Power, and render it capable of meeting the danger ?
Taking the questiOn in a Constitutional point_ of
view; he saw no danger to arise from liberally en.,
trusting the Government with these powers upon a
precautionary principle '1 hey knew that the Irish
Government had been cautious in the eXtrerrre in
tie exercise of those powers, there, was no danger,
therefore of its abusing theni: but if there' were,
Parliament could interpose,, and even this would be
better than that 'the Executive Government should
he left inefficient. The gallant' Officer (CoI.CRAU.
roan) had stated, that on the 233 of July.there 'was
notsuflicient ammunition at the. Castle, but he would
find upon inquiry, that the ammunition had been
removed from the Castle, which was a place of no
steength, to.. the general depot at Island Bridge,
and that, no other delay took place than' sending to
that place for it. With resped to the other cir-
cumstances, telatke,..to,the,Garrisor mentioned by
the, Hon. Colonalt. arose: Finn) Genera! Orders is- •
stied from the Office of the 4mmander in Chief
here, and which were countermanded at the Castle
the moment they were discovered. An lion. Gen- '
tirman (Mr. FRAFC IS) had said, that this would
Iwid out, an encovagement to the Enemy ; on the
contrary, this very measure Went to nerve the arm
of Government,. • anti , render its operations more
efficient. Many., doubts had been eipressed the
perk d of the. Union, whether the Legislature would
sufficiently understand the interests of lieLind'; Jie
said at that time,, that the. Legislature ivettl3 Under-
stand those interests much better than to,sa:aiAce
them. He. felt happy that his prediction was ful„:
filled, and he believed that the People of
•
felt themselves as safe and as happy under the super.
.
intending care of 'the Legislature of thp'..United
Kingdom as they .were under theiy4n.
CUI,,,CR AU Fait D in explanation observedohat
did not say that there was not ammunition here and
:there, 'hut that it was
,out ready when, it was
wanted. .

I Mr. POLE said, he rose for the purpose of 'put-
: 'Ong the House in possessionof, the exadt fatti with
respect to the 234 of July.. All.the Troops in Ire.
land, previons to that slay, bad been served with 60
rounds of ammunition. On the 2341 of July there
were at the Castle of Dublin 8060 •rounds of am.
munition, which were placed in the Castle-yard for
the purpose of serving out to those Regiments who
occasionally applied for aintnunition. At the de; of
there Were 3,000,000 of ball cartridges, and in .two
Hours after the alarm was given, there was more
ammunition in Casile.yard thin',Was called for
during the whole Insurreftion. Being employettin
the Ordnance Department in Ireland, he thought
himselfcalled u,pan to state these facts hi answer to
the assertions
.of the Hon. Colonel, who was en.
dearouring to mislead the Public., he being himself
misled. He had investigated the,subjea by order
of the: Master General of the Ordnance, in coose_
quence. of what had been formerly said. What he:
now stated he pledged; himself to prove, and if any
charge Was brought forward upon the subjeet he
should be happy to,meet it. • •
Colonel CuAUPOttn appealed to the House, wile.
diet it was parliamentary to. charge him with en-
deavouring to ,mislead the f'iblic.
Mr. Pot.a,.iiititxplanationV,stated; that he had
said that the- Holveolontlliid attempted to mis.
lead. the Public, lii“being himself misled.
Mr..WINDH:4O said, it did not seem to: him
'that the. Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Pot. s) hid met' the
charge of his Hon.,Friend:,(Colonel
who did not say that there was not ammunition here
and there, hut, spoke respefiing: the, ammunition .iii
the cartouch bores of the Soldiers. That: part,...of
the remark had not been answered. . When he re-
cu'rred 'to the observations t i the :Noble Lord he
had nut so much to. state arguments on the one side.:
at to speak Of 'the want of them' on theother...They
were now about to renew Martial Law inltelarat,
without having heard one single Wordici
measure. To vote the re,estahlishment of -Martial
Law seemed, to be. so much a. matter of course that'
it required, no argument to support it. They stop.
ped the Constitution as ambler would stop a• wind
or a water mill, and With. the 'tame locliffereti6e....
The Constitution Was commatided to march andh6lt
at the pleasure of the Ministers, and this: without
any. .grounil whatever being illedged. • He would
,not tsay this was wrong, but he wanted to know why..
it was eight., It had, been said that,Notoriety had:
heen considered, a good ground for voting a tneasurE
ofahis nature; this might'lle very true when Rebel.'
lion was.at the &Odra of alieite who voted such a
measure, but nesaieli reasiati existed now, and no
other:was given' for it. Tliey 'had been.. told of a
danger
,which Was at present invisible; this put-him
in mind of a dancer, , who turned round so quick, -
that he could not be seen to turn ; somebody, ob-
served, " why,•.perhaps he deem not, torn round at
;all :"sous this danger was:invisible, it might be
said, that as it could not be seen, perhaps there was
no danger at all. In the present instance, flowerier,
is wasladetoir,i,t discover from. the mere
light of nature, , for to that he was left, the neces-
sity of the present measure ; but how did it fol-
;law from what Ministers said The wlible of: the
inference that was to be draWn froiti. their re.:

presentations diccountenanzed the measure. Ft''
ment t or whether
wishedhall
that Ministers • would tell them when they
a made up their minds 'upon the tostiisil, whethe
it had taken a deep root in tl/e
Country ?
the late Insurreetion was really a coat CIA riot '
He wished that the Hon. Ge le
whether it Was theeffervescence of
f et* •
mere of the mu.
the. d- other side of the House would make up thtiC
n. nt memo
.► amvinldnlissouleK), nliklee am)Sbtiuttnlt.eatt-treoestonfttltieheUyi-rbilveYeitrsitrielt:
l" "91)
tenion ow! a contemptible being asked whether the sun went round
imimagesmotnuedean
the earth, nc. the earth -round the sun, answered,
adestoometie megrimss , thea
.Martialodier. intSaow i:nhie,
suchsc
• present case, sometimes Ministers said the Incur.
tibia riot, at others, it writ' of
How could the Hntise as ? If they voted for the ditto.
, . they must vote 'for it in .spite of the argument",
of, the Ministers who supported it, and who sortie..
f
fnes. drew a figure whith reached to the skier,
an
. tl then again dropped down to a pigmy sine that
could hardly be' discerned. - The
it
vigour of the
, measure might be a recommendation, but the facility
°ft potting the of tine' part
Country our of the Con.-
stitution
, was no symptom of dealing kind; y with its'
- inhabitants. Ministers . •
. might perhaps be s:o-olieti -
with the panegyrici bestowed on .these measures;
id great powers must be applied to great occasions, :
and
lon this ground the principle of arbitrary Power
~ might do good : :Drrspotism was neither good mkt
lail, in itself, :MO if angels were always to rule,-
there Would he' niolijettiorn in it ; bur as'this could'
not be tfi case, they Must look to the'aoolic,,tont
-orpo‘4l';',An these measures they must look to tit
Ministers who proposed them, and who were nor
entitled to 'confidence at all. If the striteasenfs'or
Ministers Were to be taken, these measures were
nut necessary. Here let the House recolleft• what
took place in last July : preViOuS to the Insurrec.
!ion, they were told by Ministers that Ireland walk
in a, continual state of..3mprovemelit, and it was id ~.
be inferred that every danger ought to he thrown
off their minds; had they then prop(' .-3 ./Vlattitd ,
Law,
what could have been thought of their con-
duct,, and yet why not ? What occurred afterwarik
• was not very creditable to the sagacity of Mi-
, nisteisi o:Rebcllion-btoke out almost at the vet's'
M.; oment. ' -An outcry was 'raised against'
.T.,,ur,i W, ts.too AM), because he wanted twenty.foor
' * 'consideration of the measures ilea( were
then
proposed; but after the. flourishing 'statement
f ~
iven hi„.!•victers, he was surely enttied to C4ll
or former consilerati"'.u)Qa, the i telli Yeller of a
sudden and Onespetted '' I ' n..*
*
an event brealcitio clot: If "'',.#9
lie thought,
not too Much to ask. T! ' e '''- ' ley we( Till
told ostentatiously chat the Martial Law 11:
-passed last Session had only been atitol urn 11"
P"e, iii9fit.a.flce ; he Was not one' of those WI
_wool contend that Power not :tact! or'. 'in"
rower,
.hot- possessed were the satne ll'ingf ,„,1',1" •
lie meant to say, that Power uptin which It '', --A
not Iftool4llt necessary to - aCt might have 113-
a little mare ;discussion. It now turned out flua,
there was a little miltake in the business, that Mi.
nitters were led away by their fears, and that win"
they then' called a formidable rebellibri, was now
'only a contemptible riot. How theta coult they
rely' upots-theeiidence of men who thus COiltratild.
ed themselves, who left the ,Howe In complete Va.
coity) and who elesstdyed am credibility of their
own- testifsemo ? It was said by Miniters, that if
lie.. ••
° ismsbi{a o ere made, specific charges oug
ht. (Cl
brought forward ; this ono- a very ,:onveoient tootle
of narrowing discussions, and very commodious to.
Ministers. The Sessions would in this caSe scarcely
•be long enough to bring, 'forward :Ili olte specific
cl'argei which might he alledged, It wag 0bvi(?1%.:,..
that the Government a Ireland were. either sur. -
prised, or 'that having known of the
Insurreetion,
they ‘vere.criminal in not making Sufficientpros44.• • .
- .1.
skin against it. If the capital of Ireland
was witl
in an ace, f being surprised, iiii,'oo oruiisiati wit,
made against' it, ..then the G.,),, cri.ment were cur-
-1
L prized.; if they knew of it and di I trot make sof
, ficient - • --' -.' •''' 'then-
they . lded WO
provision agatnlt it,
criminal neglea, It • would not-be believe • d the
the Gnvernment kneWof'it, when the o,fet
when the Cont.i
' vertwr went- to his'.cotietry balige•
Lord
it, Chief was not instruCted, and when the
‘Tri,di Mayor was wholly ignorant of the, subjett.
I' Tetra' tO this circutiotaoce, he could spy
fromrr,:g6to - '.-irthority'lltat the ammunition Curate ,
~,,....L"PS-IYAilearritti through the streets Cr
il'it;
Repels west. in norms, ;Ind. that if. the idttei 111
.knowrt, of. it; they might have pot to de:oh the per.
sans who guarded it, atol.seized upon
,the amitu..
L..tiatr.foi their Own ',purposes. ' ;Upon the whole ot
l'ill cireurreligocei, the'Govcrnment c f 1rc1:,,t,1 of
.eithertake:nesdea:OS•Surptize ; `otter had els •,5e1L.1....('
,-' sit for ' fhe,Borough of. Surprize, 'Nod for 1113t:tifi.c
must be fistod.,, 'He ' could. only still its, t,1!1,4,:ii' re;
of infutitra ribs]; if the glound of the preseottlie-or• he
wag to bt. ,recautionaty,, and if do' w 1: he
,stated as ac Rebellion: past; that "gtotimi '11". 'r. . '
tirraio.eterrity; anti-would be al ways 111, °31:,„,-;ivei
,l-le•had only Hytectir us the same snot,' O''at ''''f,',4''
l'i.int-dFiluzi4o wighi in be'git•en.lo,the il',us', °ch.-
fUv''.4tß,l.3lnltAlfiricasiire like the pi,...eni• r •.:IZ.
. - l'hi':aett./.4-CELL6R of tbe . E Xe• II Ei2L; 1,;
' stid;-. he .dttiett it to the' Irish Cl,vertuncnt 0 "l'i
clost.l6iiii:faoli,t in, ansiwer to what had beet) 4" .e.
by ille 'AVM ll:in:Gentleman, avid lie begged leP:
to say dis-tirility, that he pailicipate,l in the'“l'll-
Merit expci,i.:,ca t,y his- Noble F,iont,.. out if. Oft' ,
.tipininti was :. entertained-- Illy any - Member icoth,.'.l4
lifatise, That I:lis Nl:ejesty's Government in 1014"`
had miseanducteir thentselvei.., atittail charge rrt
inteniledlti he mode ag.lingt thernqt .411, it slictl.i',..
he inane :not broueht for, ..;;r3 in a ditoiat and q''''',
~
:cifie fnaniwr; doll that itlct-lib:Jate review might !).e.
.taken of-kileit condui4 and ptrticUlarly.tliat 4:4,,'':it , ~:,
~'3d of iti!y., to wlticli the Itt. floh.. Geiltlekl/41.
weic
' •• '
alluded; ito ! e,,ta' `of tdkinii; up the tnatt!4 as it .
, 1 vett
incidentally. ' ,Lt the.'nvan• tins% ' lle -,l'oul" -tn.,
that the ir,:titiNS. whioh-His Isl"..tit!Str!th ('`‘)lrce
to
inent hatrial,,ol in Thattalekttlir;•wereudeiltilitit 00
thy irtforilisttaon 'they' rest ; Ana he, wou!-__4la;
further', I'm- Aver also, that. no imins were
,511,;:',,0, •
on their tiire to procore information, ;tott t"``.` :,e
inforaution they could. exped -tn procere they
.v,,,c)....„
. ..
possetstd,,d. -Ike Right lifm. Gentleman hail 1'• • .
1 • . Of the Lc'. •,
partiitriAr stress .its the eltellaiStallee _
st.i
to
lieutenant having withdrawn {'rant_ the. Caf pestle to
Jul).l
the Phoenix Park, on.the niglitof the zOklo 0
- re glirc ,
'and lie toad stated -that sot' iustrations We •
•