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Market. While the National good faith was held
pure and inviolate, lee entertained no doubt of ,
ancecontinuing to be vested in the British Funds: 'lt,
should' be a twitter of the most serious deliltePt
,with the Legislature, where even the slightest Ontiht
prevailed as to the qqeStion -of National Faith.
While observing upon the question of taxing 'the
Funded Property of the British Subjed, the Learned
turd rentarkiti, that under the last Income Tax,
that 'species of. property was. substantially, "though
mit directly taxed." He again expressed his hope
that the#Clile 'Duke would see" the propriety of
not persisting in such an amendment.
The Du4t of NURF')LK spike in explanation,
and obtr*ved, that, the Funded Propertywas'as pro.
pfrly thebbjeet of Taxation, as the Landed or any
other. At the time a the Revolution a direa tax
of 4.5. in the,pound was laid on Land ; and though
there Was an understanding when the Funding
System was first 'commenced, the idea was held
our that it should not be liable 'to any tax,
hot he conceived that to apply to any of the then
existing Taxes, and not to future imposts, .partieu.
larly in cases of great • National emergency On
these general &intuits, in addition to what he had
before specifically adverted to,' he felt it his duty to
rctsit in the Amendment ; ayd he also expressed his
intention, should the result render it neeessary,' of
recording his opinion upon tire punt as a dissenting
Pe'er.
The question bring put the Committee divided at
the instance of his era‘e, when there appeared'
contents 3
Non.contents 7

IVlajority 4 • .
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On our re-enterifig the -House their .Lordships
were reccivi,,g ME.ssages'irom the Commons. - '
?Sir Wm. l'ut.Tusy brought up the Bell Rock
Light House. Bill, as (ha Mr. ALEXANDFR the
Scotch Malt Puny Bill. Akw private Bills were
brought up 1))' Messrs. BULLIK, STANIFOkTII, mid
other GI-idea-1(I, which were respettively read a
first time.

The Earl Of SUFFOLK said, that as their lord-
ships were summoned for Monday, he should take
an opportunity that day to call the
Muse in a SUbi tit' the highest importance, the
general D-ferice of the. Nation', whicli he should
•
submit some propositions to -the consideratiOn of
their Lot dihips, particularly respeCting the appoint-
ment of a Military Committee, telative to which
he intended to bring forward a Motion,
The Order of the Day for the second reading of
the Curates' ProviOon Bill being read,
A commotion Of some length arose on a subjeel
Bill, between the Duke of Not.
connteted wirh the
tr<4.lr and the Loan CHANCELLOR, to the follow.
ing general ciFa
The Duke of NUkF9LK observed, that upon a
further consideration and inquiry respecting a point
which the Bill involved, it treneheo to some degree
upon one of their Lordships' longstanding Orders,
objealoo to the Bill's passing its present form
was upon constitutional gritunds : it avowedly
embraced two objeos, which he consi,lered a.
perfealy distinet, and though the advance to be
made out of the Consolidated Fond for the purpose
specified, was so small a sum as 80001, is dot not
alteethe consideration. The provisions of the Bill
were; in both views, such as no in,in in that House
cook) di';approve 47—yet its involving two distiott
objeas in such a way as twilit :fled against :tr. 'Order
made•on grounds the most constitutional, and ((it
the due preservation of tie ,tights, tivileges, and
.dignity of that Koose, hemust objett to its passing..
'lle telt the lees relunclance to objuding to it Ott
the •consideration that it could be no very gre.tt
convenionce' or injury to the very meritorious per.
sons offeeted by the Rill, that it should be trust-
pooed till a very early period of the next Session.
; The interval of Recess, Under the circumstances of
the Country, would the very short : immediately
after which, the Objeas in qoestion would be pro.
peak provided for. Under these impressions, he
Would Move', " than the Bill.be read t-second time
that day' three months.''

On the- question being put,
The LORD 011 A? ;I observed, that he
had given his best attention„to, and made some far.
slier inquiries respeCting the point to which he had
last,night called their Lordships' attention, as in.'
Volved in the Bill before them, and he.was now able
to form an opinion that the Bill as sent up' by the
other House of Parliament, did not infringe upon
the 'privileges of their Lordships, However, let
the inclination of his opinion be what it might,. if
he had entertained even a doubt respeEtin the Bill's
militating against the order alluded to, he felt it
his duty to submit that doubt to the consideration
of their Lordships. The Order in question applied
to Bills sent up which embraced a second object,
really and essentially different from the first, such
as those measures Which induced the enactment of
the Standing Order in question. In illustration
of this point his Lordship referred to the Ex.
trait he !IA made, and certain Precedents.
He specified the instances which occurred ire 1698,
1700, 1704, and•in other years, one of *those Adis,
'he particularly adverted to, as raising a supply of
two Millions for the current serviee of year,
and at the same time enacting certain regulations
with resped to the ,East India '['rade ; these were
evidently two objets essentially different ~rl4 di;,. •
tine, as were those provided for by the other Bills
to which he referred. It was, however, very 'ail.
ferent in the Bill' before them : no such dissimila.
rity in the objects existed, and they were both for
purposes which that House, in the passing ref the
last Bill evinced its opinion, they should'he car.
Tied into etre& There was one consideratinn
which, to a certain degree, operated or, his mind,
with respect to the passing, of this Bill in this
advanced period of the Session—namely, the .d
sence of the far greats!' part of the Reverend Betich;
their opinions on the occasion most probably their,
Lordships would wish to hear. He liov:tl'.they.
would' have the.: advantage, of the advice of these
Reverend Prelates present, (LONDON and RUETER)
perhaps the sentiments of the, Rev. Belch
through 'them be learned. At any: rate, were it the
sense, of the House that the should lie ir?et fur
the 'present Session, it was essentially inciunbent
Upon Parliament that the measure should be preiented
Very early in the next, The interval of thelkems

he agreed with the Noble Duke would necessarily
-be of shortduration.
tl'e •
Bishop of LONDON expressed himself
slimtly upon the oc'easion—The Measure in ques-
tion was one of which. he highly approved; his
sentiments were entirely in its favour what the
6piniuns of his Reverend Brethren might be as to
the prticular provisions of the Bill, he avowed him-
self unable to crate.

The Bishop of EX' TER appeared to acquiesce in
what had been said by the Rev. Prelate.

The Duke of NoßFcit4 spoke at some length in
explanatitio,iiis did , •
The Loltp CjilANCE,!..pilt, Who took occasion to
observe, that were,measures fur the objeas of' the
present' fill not brought forward, early 'in the next
Session of PaAli'arnent, (we believe his Lordship said
the first week,) that he should deem it his duty to
propose them himself. • •

The question 'Was 'then put pn the Duke of 140 R.
YOLK'S motion, which was carried, that the Bill be
read a second time this 'day three months.

After disposing of the temaining Orders of the Day,
their Lordihips adjourned till to.morrow, when. it
is supposed the last Bills will be biutight up from
the otnmons.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, •
IIIAY, AUGUST 5. . •
•
A. new Writ Was ()Meted to be issued to eleet a
M‘sher for Bury Sr. Edmund's', in the room of Lord
• flsaysT, now Earl of BRISTOL;.
The Warehousing Bill, the Tortola Port Bill, the
Scorch Assessed Taxes Bill, and the American
Treaty Bill were read a third time and passed.
Lord AsalleasT'S Annuity Bill, the Irish Glebe
I loose Bill, and the Wine Prize Bill were reported,
and ordered to be read a third time to.morrow.
The Report of the committee respeeting Irish
Spirits was brought up, and, ordered to be taken into
further consideration pn Tuesday.
A Message from the Lords stated that they bad'
agreed to the Irish Tea Exportation, the Auc.
dunces's' Bill, and the Pilots' Bill without any
amendment, and also to the Customs Regulation
Bill, with amendments. The
,amendments to the
above Bill were. read and ordered to be taken-into
fart!:ti-consideration to.morrout.
The Foreigners' Note Bill passed through a Cont.
mirtee ; the Report was received,' and the Bill
ordered to he read a third time to-morrow.
The Bell Rock Light.house Bill was read a third
time and passed.
• The Report of the Assessed Taxes Bill wall
brought .up,' the amendments were read and agreed
i to, and the Bill oldered to be read a third time to.
morrow.
Sir AND R !Yr •SN Al' HAMOND presented a Pi..
titiuu from the loolteeperi, ,praying, an increased'
allowance for the maintenance of Soldiers quartered
on them.--'Ordered to lie on the Table.
• The SECRETARY iit WAR presented' a Petition
from the I)ebtori -Confined—in • the Gaol of Cam.
bridge, praying relief. "914 Fred to lie on the
The LORD iVliorox presented a Petition from
the adstors et,i.ftned in the New Caul, Giltspor.
street, praying relief. Ordered to lie on the
Talk.
'The-Consolidated Fund Bill was read a third- time-
arta passed.
Mr. A Xantaea brought Op the Report of the
Irish Saga Bill. The amendments were read- arid
agreed *, and ; the All was
,oldered to be read a
third time morrow. •
Mr; ALEXANDER also brought up the Report of
th... Neutral Ships Bill ;, the amendments were then
read and agreed to, and the Bill'ordered to be read
a third titk so.morrow.
• • The CanaduCt;urt Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Stamp Consolidated Bill was read a third
time and pw,ssed.
The Lord-' amendments in the VolUnteer Corps'
Bill were taker into further consideration, and
agreed to, and thle Bill ordered to the Lords for
their coticortelice.;. '
Th'e Dcfence'l,lWrsdinent Bill was read a ,third.
time.The' St.C4!..ETAILIC at , Wale then proposed'
• several Clauses as follows : the first Clause pro.
vides that that all Serjeants employed 'for the in.
st suttion of VolunteerCorps,should.be paid 23. 6d,
pet day.
• The House 'Went intoa Committee on this Clause,
in whiCh it was,read and agreed to, and the Repot
reoei ved.
Time second Clause granted an exemption to the:
Moravians, which was alio agreed, to.
The third Chase grants an exemption to Masters
and Mates of Trading Ships, which was read and
agreed to.
The. fourth Clause' allows the appointment' of
Officers in the' room of those displaced.—Read and
agreed to. • -„
rhe filth Clause goes to
_enable f the Lord Lieute.
naot to appoint. Pepty. Lieutenants for. theme
,charge of his duty during sickness.-- Read and
agreed to.
.The last Ch.u,e obliges those prsons.enrolled in
the Volunteer Corps, to take the Oath of Allegiance
to His Majesty and Government. Read and
agreed to. .
Mr. StililltDAN expressed a wish that the Deputy
Lieutenants should have a power to demand a list
of all the, carriages and horses kept in time different
Counties ; he also Wished that Coach-masters, and
all those persons who possess carriages,. etc. slibuld
volunteer file services of their carriages: and horses
to convey the diaposable force oe:Londori, wherever
the exigenq of the,„olomeot might require it. ,
The SEC RED4RY..at..I7V4I?. said there. was a
Clause to that effea its, the former A&.
The C114.\C4.41-Ql4 of ihr EXCHEQUER.
said, that considerable t,trees had been made
to G.
vitrnment of Hbriies and carriages for the use of the
41rmy. . •
Celeuel CRAWFORD thou4ht.it would be ne.
Cessary to remove hoses and carriage, on the ap.
pearancedf the Enemy, to some distant place.
the
obs7e.hreyeaCHttlaA:CtEheLLA°illß ofof.
GC;ollienSE:tet:atßinta.l
effea recommended by the Right

Dr. Laswittarce said a few words.
The SECRETARY at WAR said, the Bill Of,
June last did every thing for the security of carriages
and horses, should the Enemy land.
On the question for passing the Bill,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.
observed; that an Hon. Gentleman on the other side
of the House, had miscoticeived his Hon. Friend
(the SECRETARY at Wax) who had observed' Oa
a Bill of the same nature as the present Defence..
Bill, might have been brought ' forward last
,Wari
and not earlier, as the Hon. Gentleman oppositc,him
had supposed, meaning this Sc lion.
The SECRETARY at WJ4R said, that he was
certainly misconceived by the Tan. Gentleman as
to the language he had used : 'his observation waso
that a Bill of a similar nature' might have been
brought forward last War : he da not say as the
Hon. Gentleman had conceived, that sucha measure
could have been brought forwardearlier this Session.
Dr. LAWRENCE observed,' he had no intend"
to enter into the 'merits of the Bill, had not. an.Pb•
nervation from the Rt, Hon. Gent. (the CHANCEL-.
LOR of the EXCHEQUER) induced him to rise. The
Learned and Hon. Member then tooka Conipaiativi
view of the last War and the present, as well as Of
our Mi!itary Power than, and at the present period,
and "lb° site :Military Power on the other side of the
water : the danger which threatened the Country
in the year'l797,
_Was not equal to the danger of
the present period, notwithstanding the Army l'i
England were on our oppossite shores. But the din'
cussinn which took place, at the above time between
the French and the Austrians, almost shook the
Dominion of France. But he thought notwithatanda .
ing our. present Military preparations, the C_otirl
was vulnerable at some points. The Honourab I
Member then spoke in terms of high commendation
with reaped .to the political principles of his lion.
Friend: Mr. Wituntaat.
The 'CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER'
said, he did not mean to coaiment on She Mai' try
lecture. just delivered by the Hon. Gentleman (t)r.
LAwatrac a). But if the Hon. Gentleman tied rai
mt haerkßillile, lilleadw
jaussstu rdeellitev
ewr
eotut.ld not
Hon. Gentleman tilat the present Bill
,did not inter-
Ill}le eouveldmaastsieu r(eliet lfteai
fere with the comprehensive 'pisver of the former
Bill, and he must be permitted tholiserve, that tle
Hon. Gentleman ought. not to have accused Mini•
stets, of being tardy : he maintained that there was
no danger which had threatened the State that Mini-
sters had not guarded against. Persons in a respone
,ale situation were not to be subjed to continual
attack without foundation. The office now lick' ll
his Hun. Friend the, SECRETARY sat WAR, was ail'
ferent from thesituation of ihe Hon. Gentleman who
Once Ailed it, as the charader of Privy Couociller
did-not attach at present to the other office of trust.
In taking the. whole of the subjed tinder consiLleu•
• tion,, it watt highly improper to make such trifilrig
• attacks, against Ministers. '
.' Mr. SHERIDAY said, hi should troulsle the
House with but a few words upon- the present °Lea•
sion, as the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (nr•
LAWRENCE), had to fight single_handed. Perhaps
if the Right Hon. Gentleman (04r. WtatestiAm) had
been present, he would, not,. liotte lotsinitsf.t. ,to s9P°
things uttered by the HO. and Learned GentigvoA4
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman, had talked of
, various modes of debate, but in the preient in..
stance he had certainly debated with the dexterirY
of a pleader. ' In answer to a question put from the
other side of the House, he had gone into every'
topic hut that which Was the subjea of the questions
The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (the Sect's:
TAkY at WAR) had stated that he hi'd not admitted
that_ theseaneaaures ought not to have been brisughe
forward earlier, hut that that ohjeWoh came with
an ill grace from those who did not bring forward
similar measures in a period of equal danger. Tilt
Hun. .and Learned Gentle Man (Dr. LAwitzNcEra
.
denied -that the period alluded. to was a period oS-
eqUai danger, but was it not stated at the time •lu
be a period of the utmost terror ? was there not .the
Rebellion in Ireland, the 'Northern Confederacy:
the Artily 'of England, and other causes calculal
to excite a. sense of danger.? Would it he dented.
that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mi. Wrt‘DH/4°„'
then .thought the Country in...a state of extret
peril ?. He did not impute-as a crime to that Rigby
Hon. Gentle Man the holding of an office, but rather
, that of holding his tongue, lot if a Cabinet Minister
'olding an office concealed the danger to which he
knew the Country was exposed, he was certaioi),r,
most criminal. IVIE.SHERIEOAN was here interrupicu.
by

General PtiIPPS, who oanceived it to ,be dila'
derly to di.,cuss the chataiter and conduit ola Right
Hai). Gentleman who was then absent.

The SECRETARY at WAR Thought the Hon. Gab.
tiervum (Mr.%HP.RIDAN) was in order,

General Pntrrs conccived,that it would he better
to wait till the Right Hon. Chntleman (Mr. WIND'
HAM.) was present.
iIIf...SWERIVAN said, he should not press tllB
subject, though he did not conceive himself t° i_
,disorderly. Al to the Hon.. Gentleman's saying,'"
e
had better wait, lit must be allowed that he (Mt..
SIERIDAN) was never slack in:answering the ,
HUI.). Gentleman (Mr. WINDHAm). What he h.;
said arose. from the argumeatam ad hominem 01";1
use- of by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, svi'°
had himself discussed the charatter and .cmulorl of
the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. WINDHAM)* t
Dr. LAWRENCE rose upon the point °fordo, VI
was interrupted by
who,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ,VEIt,
observed that there was no question of order be'°f
C
the House.

Dr. LAWRENCE explained. •
s'on
C R olherved, that, an irnPres-I
had gone abroad, which he hoped was not the 1`1;‘" st'
that the, whole number of men now wanted
280,000 Volunteera already enrolled in Corr'
they were to depend Upon this alone,
the aclvanl
would be lost. of training and exercising the wil:he
;
of His Kajesty's people. He only rose for
eutpose of requesting' an explanation from His enr
jesty's. Ministers on this point, as should lain
if so great a measure was not carried into'effe4* bt
• The SECRETARY at WAR- said, if wjg t°„b.
wished that the Bill should be looked to before
servations were made upon IL A.oo.wer and gl ere,
to His 1t43,1e6tY to can out to be trained

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Market. While the N3tiong good faith was held he agreed with the Noble Duke would necessarily Dr. LAwiturce said a few words.
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pure and invi,,late lie entertained no doubt of abutid: ' be.of shoreduration. The SECRETARY at WAR said, the Bill o
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aneetnnt inning to be vested in the British Funds: It, the Bishop of LONDON expressed himself June last did every thing for the security of carriages
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should' he a twiner of the most cerious delii)lti ma shlrtly upon the occasion—The Measure in ques- and horses, should the Enemy land. ' 1
,with the 'Legislature, where even .the slightest Otitil,t (ion 'was one of which. he highly approved; his On the question for passing the Bill, ....-
prevailed ila to the queStion -Of National Faith. sentiments were entirely in its favour ; what the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. -.1
question of taxing*the opinions of his Reverend Brethren might be as to
1 While observing upon the observed; that an Hon. Gentleman on the other side ~-.,
Funded Property of the Brit iti Sullied, the Learned the prticular provisions of the Bill, he avowed him- of the House, had misconceived his Hon. Friend '.)•
.Lor.l rentarkiti, that under the last Income -rax, self unable to state. .. (the SECRETARY at Wass who had observed oa i:,
tint .species of• property was. substantially, "though "Ilie Bishop of ExITER appeared to acquiesce in a Bill of the same nature as the present Defence ,
i not directiv,..taxed.- lie again expressed his hope what had been said by the Rev. Prelate. Bill, might have been brought . forward last Wari
4sl itileDike would see the .propriety of 'f he Duke of NortFot4 spoke at some length in and not earlier, as the Hon. Gentleman—Opposite,hial
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.. not persiiiiing in such an amendment. explanatidoii as did , , • had supposed, meaning this Session
The Duke
of N)RF)LK, spoke in explanation, The LOR,p CLFIANCE;r4OR, who took occasion to The SECRETARY at 10k said, that he wit
was • p,
anal obtrikved, that the Funded Property as pro. oh„tvc, that vi,•6,e,rneasures for, the objeCts of • the certainly misconceived by the'. trim. Gentleman as :-i.;
', pfrly the,objeet of Taxatian, as the Landed or any present' Bill not brought torwara, early' in the next to the language be had used : his observation Was, ::k'
otlicr. At 11,e time of the Revolution a (ii.tea tax Session of Parlfatnent, (we believe his Lordship said that a Bill of a similar nature' might have been
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F. of 4s. in the,pound, was laid on Land ; and though the first week,) that he should deem it his duty to brought forward last War : be did nor say as the
P . there Was an Understanding when the Funding propose them himself.
.' • • , ‘ Hon. Gentleman had conceived, that such a measure i;
C, System was first .c,itnirenced, the idea was held The question 'Was 'then put on the Duke of 140R_ could have been brought forward,efrlier this Session.
' . our that it ihould not be liable 'to any 6X, YOLes motion, which was carried, that the Bill be . Dr., LAWRENCE observed,' he hid no intenti" .i
a hut lie conceived that to apply In any of the then read a second time this *dAy three months. ,
r • • to enter into the 'merits of the Bill, had not an,Ph. ..
After disposingof the temaining Orders of the Dab, servation from the Rt. Hon. Gent. (the CH
exi,,ting 1 ;axes, anti riot to twure invosts, .particu.
their LOrtighips adjourned tiff to.mnrrow, when, it Loa of the Exc HEZI r it) induced him to riseN.CILII;
• larly in cares of great • National eMergency :On
, these general grounds, in addition to what he had is iupposed the last, Bills will be biought -up frOm Learned and Him. Member then tooka eoniparativi
r before specifically 'adverted to he felt it his duty to the c onirnons. . . view of the last War and the present, as well as of
rersit in the Amendment ;rand he also exxressed his . .
.-......................:-. our Military Power then, and at the present period,
I intention, should the result render it necessary,' (if
• recording his t.Tioion upon the viinc as a dissenting HOUSE c.)1? COMMO4VS, •_ • anti alb° the Military Power on theother side of the
water : the danger which threatened the Country
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Faro AV, A 110 usT 5. .
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. ' in the ye:tr•l797,
_was not equal to the danger of !• '
The question brin.. pit the Committee divided at
A. new Writ was °Met ed to be issued to eleet a the present period, notwithstanding the Army l'i, '
the instance of his era(..e, when there appeared•
, . Mmhor for Bury Sr. Edmund's', in the room of Lord ' England were on our oppossite shores. But the die' 1
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• fisaysx, now Earl of BRISTOL. cussinn which took place,at the above time between '4
Non-contents . 7 .
the French and the Austriang, almost shook the r,, ~
The Warehousing Bill, the Tortola Port Bill, the
Scotch Assessed Taxes Bill, and Inc A-merican
. Dominion of France. But he thoughtnotwitlistand.
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a IVlajority 4 • .
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Treaty Bill were read a third time and passed. in g our, present Military preparations, the Country . On our re-entering the - House their .Lordships
Lord Atpteasri Annuity Bill, the Irish Glebe , la ~
was vulnerable at some points. The Honourab . ~.
i ' were reeeivi,,g Messages from die Commons. - '
Member then spoke in' terms of high comineml3,6°n•
!Sir Wm. Pui.TENE Y brought up the Bell Rock I foibe Bill, and the Wine Prize Bill were re
pe . o the political principles:
ported, with res •ti t of his lien. •
Light House Bill, as did Mr. ALEXANDER the and ordered to be read a third time D to-morrow. Friend. Mr. WrianitAta.
Scotch Malt Uty Bill. A few private Bills were The Report of the committee rose UDR
Irish 6
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIE,,,
brought up by Messrs. BULLER, STAN! FORTH, arid ,
Spirits was brought up,. and ordered to be taken into
, further Consideration on Tiiesday. said, he did not inian to COMIIDCIII on 0, mai' ity r.
, other G•ntlemen, which were respectively read a
leCture. just delivered' by the Hon. Gentleinmi (Dr. I .
.
A Message from the Lords stated that they had first time.
: cl;
i 'arced tii the Irish Tea Exportation. the Ann LAWRENCE). But if the Hon. Gentleman lieu .•14,
The Earl of SUFFOLK said, that as their LIM_
shins were ctimmoneti far kiliturilv. lie ti LI ..,1,-,. I ‘.9 the Bill, he was sure he would not hay made the re- !i