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upon the questior of any expenditure from the reserve
fund until he ha" seen the report of the committee which
had been sittinf ;to consider the subject. With respect to
the 3d West I ndia Regiment, it was a peculiar case, and
he had alreae ty dealt with it. (Hear hear.) With respect
to the officer s of the 74th Regiment, he was quite contest to
accept the In igh character that had been given to them by
the hon. at td gallant gentleman, and he also admitted that
it must Tie extremely depressing to be purchased over
no less tt tan five times. The unfortunate circumstance
was an in' cidental of the purchase system, and it turned on
the changt 3 that had been made in the army by the late
Governmt nt. By that Government it had been decided
to reduce the strength of the army by cutting off two bat-
talions fro m every regiment quartered at home. Great
hardships And inconvenience had ever since that arrange-
ment come int, ) operation, occasioned from the circumstance
of having ref ;iments of one strength abroad and another
at home. (Hear, hear, hear.) When this arrangement
came into operation there were about 40 regiments at
home, and knocking off two battalions from each 240
officers had to be provided for. An arrangement was
made for the promotion of 60 captains without purchase,
with the understanding that the other officers should re-
main as supernumeraries in the othor regiments to be
absorbed as opportunity offered, and the case of those
three officers, which he much regretted, arose entirely out
of those arrangements and nothing else. He could not
assent to the resolution moved by the hon. and gallant

member.
Mr. MONSELL hoped that as the 74th was about to be
sent abroad and would be strengthened by the addition
of two battalions, he hoped the case of the two officers
would be favourably taken into consideration.
The house divided, when there appeared—
For the motion 54
Against it 65
Majority

The motion was consequently lost.
THE REVENUE OF INDIA.

On the motion for going into committee of supply,
Mr. OTWAY asked the Secretary of State for India
whether there was any, and if any, what limit to the sums
of money which the Secretary of State for India in
Council might expend in this country without obtain-
ing the sanction of Parliament ; and, should the
balance in the Home Treasury be insufficient to meet
any exceptional expenditure incurred by the Secretary of
State for India in Council, whether there was any, and if
any, what limit to the sum for which ho may draw on the
revenues of India ; and if the Secretary of State for India
could fix the day for the discussion of the Indian Budget.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE said there was no limit to ;the
home expenditure of the revenues of India, which were
vested in the Secretary of State for India in Council.
There were limits, however, with respect to the salaries
of the Secretary of State and the members of
the council. With respect to allowances that were made
to officers dismissed for misconduct, the money was
awarded those persons to prevent them from actu-
ally coming to starvation. It was thought very
objectionable that persons having enjoyed certain positions
in India should be seen in this country in a state of desti-

tution.
In committee of supply, the British Museum vote, moved
by Mr. WILroLE, was agreed to—the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER stating in the course of the discussion that
early next year ho hoped to propound a comprehensive
scheme for the better accommodation and exhibition of
our national collections.
The Education Vote (.£705,865) was moved by Lord
R. MONTAGE, who went into the educational budget of
the year in considerable detail, contrasting the expendi-
ture, and the results with the figures of former years. For
the building sad enlarging schools and teachers' houses
£30,000 is asked in the estimate, as against £24,000 actually
spent last year, which had been supplemented by £91,000
of voluntary contributions. For elementary schools,
£427,345 is asked, and for night schools £16,000, as
against £416,582 and £13,302 spent last year, supplemented
by .069,000 voluntary subscriptions and £56,000 endow-
ments. For normal schools £74,000 is asked—a slight
decrease on last year—and for administration, inspection,
and office expenses £81,790. Passing to the results, Lord
Robert mentioned that during the past year 80 schools had
been built, 50 enlarged, and 61 teachers' residences had
been built, affording altogether new accommodation for
20,516 scholars. There had b3en inspected 13,586 schools
—.tn increase of 636 schools over the previous year ;
1,510,871 children wore on the books at the end of the
year, of whom 1,287,604 had been present at the inspec-
tion, and 664,000 had boon presented for examination, and
more than five-sixths had obtained passes in reading,
writing, and arithmetic. The number of night scholars
on the books was 42,872, a sensible increase over last
year.

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The usual long and discursive conversation on various
points preceded the granting of the vote.
On going into committee on the Parks Regulation
Bill,

Mr. LOCKE strenuously opposed the bill, objecting par
ticularly to what he insisted was a principle novel in our
law, giving magistrates jurisdiction over political offenders,
instead of sending them before a jury, and to the clause
which allowed the Ranger and the first Commissioner to
make regulations the breach of which is to be punishable
by fine. Now that a satisfactory Reform Bill was on the
eve of passing a measure of this kind was unnecessary ;
and he moved that the hoes() deems it inexpedient to
proceed with the bill this Session.
Sir C. RUSSELL supported the bill, on the ground that
London was now threatened with another Hyde Park
demonstration against Mr. Hughes' Sunday Trading Bill.
Lord AMBERLEY denied that these meetings had been
shown to cause public inconvenience or to interfere seri-
ously with the street traffic, maintaining that Hyde Park
was the most fitting place for great public meetings, and in
an ironical vein complained of the ingratitude of the Go-
vernment towards the Reform League, which by its
demonstrations had co-operated so powerfully with them
in passing their Reform Bill.
Mr. COWPEU supported the bill to preserve the parks
for the purposes of recreation, arguing that the power of
preventing public meetings was vested in the custodians
of all other parks ; that they never had yet been allowed ;
and that if the house refused this bill the parks would
become the arena of all kinds of controversies, political,
religious, and social.
Mr. Sergeant GASELEE opposed the bill.
Mr. HARDY denied that the bill interfered with the right
of public meeting; its only object was to prohibit the
holding of meetings in certain places properly devoted to
purposes of recreation. That such meetings there was
illegal was beyond a doubt, for up to 1855 nobody had
ever attempted to hold them, and the bill simply gave
additional facilities for enforcing a legal right.
Mr. GLADSTONE, though not disposed to refuse to
legislate for the purpose of giving these additional facili-
ties, was of opinion that this bill had not been well con-
sidered—and at this period of the Session it was not pos-
sible to consider it—that the peculiar delicacy of the
subject had not been kept sufficiently in view, and that it
was altogether inopportune. This was not a question to
be decided by argument alone—feeling must be considered
as well ; and objecting to increase the power of the Execu-
tive in connection with the events of last year, and appre-
hending that legislation at present would bear the appear-
ance of an attempt on the part of Parliament and the
Executive to revenge themselves for something like a
defeat, ho supported Mr. Locke's resolution.
Tho CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER remarked
that the right of public meeting was a valuable safety
valve, as useful, perhaps, to those in authority as to any
body, and, admitting that the Londoners were not so well
off for open spaces to meet in as the people of other towns,
he maintained that it was more convenient in great colos-
sal cities that meetings should be held in buildings such
as the Manchester Free-Trade Hall, adding that if a great
public demonstration were needed there was Primrose-
hill. But the bill was a mere social and police arrange-
ment, and the only question for the committee to decide
was—ls it desieable that the parks should be retained for
the amusement and recreation of the people ?
Mr. BRIGHT dwelt on the importance and the use of
public meetings, and eulogised the conduct of the people
at the recent Reform demonstrations, metropolitan and
provincial, arguing that at meetings in Hyde-park the risk
of collision would be less than at Primrose-hill, as the
ground was larger, and that, as they would be witnessed
by a larger number of persons, their effect as demonstra-
tions would be greater. The urgency of the case was not
proved, neither was the ncessity for increasing the power
of the executive to deal with public meetings ; and he
pressed the Government to drop the bill, pleading that, if
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Mr. Locke's resolution was defeated by a majority of 45
133 to 88. The house wont into committee, but no pru-
gress was made with the bill.
Several other bills were for warded a stage, and the house
adjourned at a quarter to three o'clock.

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