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London, England, 1867-07-11 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

HOUSE OF LORDS—THIS EVENING.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at
five o'clock.
OFFICES AND OATH BILL.
On the motion for tt is bill being committed,
Lord LYVEDEN said that although this bill mig
ht
tas
seem a swell matter, still it involved a great quest
far as the people in Ireland were concerned. Ile consi-
dered it was a most important question, and it was evi-
dent that they ought to do their utmost to provide the
most liberal measures for the Roman Catholics of Ireland.
It was found, in recent voting, that 47 members belong-
ing to the Irish party voted for the dispensation which
it was proposed to give to the Lord Lieutenant, and 27
against it. He trusted their lordships would do the utmost
which
they could to do away with the great grievance
rankled amongst the Irish people at this time. He
shOuld move as an amendment that the Lord
Lieutenant, should be admitted to dispense with oaths
under the provisions of the Bill.
The Earl of BENI ON objected to the Bill being
passed at all, and hoped that there would be a
reconsideration of the bill. The great question
was that Ireland and England should be one
united country, and Lord Castlereagh had said that as
soon as the Protestant Church was d Ireland
then would prosperity flow into that country, awl
secure more effectually the colonial territories of the United
Kingdom, and when they had destroyed the present system
they would upset all the benefits of the Protestant Church
is
.
He did not think that the Irish people cared about th
bill at all, and they would only create discord by ventilat-
ing these questions.
The Earl of DENRIGFf said that at
Si r first
Robe thrt Rom
eean
Catholics were only, in the time of e Pl,
just emerging from the suspicion which attached to them.
They had proved themselves good fellow-citizenbsi
ltoa tion.cutr_
Protestant brethren, and he thought thaNtv.tahnyhel
greatest
ing their interests ought to be considered
iotur pattutylitqkliuteys.tiTonhewyams icgohnteleergniesdlaytebaust ftttrhaeys thmeiglahntddteepouunrde
was concerned,
Ho considered
utAtipseot there could rictao tsuhatal yrti oph tei srbi rel et
aloi ngtyihoeuf test
:ass httl3o°lll'utt r‘.Vetalhisga itt
!hue
the() U samegh t t mannerthe bill
aslreElaiangdiaonudghhtertsoo
lbfe. treated in prtehcattselhye
WitaNble,saaidnd he would beg the noble
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s was not a ques-
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of
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von of loyalty or disloyalty, but that of religion.
He did not object to any Roman Catholics
becoming very eminent in Ireland, and so far he went en-
tirely with the bill, but as far as the office of Lord-Lieu-
tenant was concerned he thought that was quite a dif-
fereu
t thing. a Viceroy who represented the Sove-
reign could be a Roman Catholic, it was quite right
that the Sovereign should be one. It was against the
whole of the constitution of this country, and although he
entirely concurred with the provisions of the bill, he (the
noble air') entirely differed from the amendment
that the Viceroy should be a Roman Catholic.
He held a position which it had in our legislature been
considered tiLtuuld be held by a Protestant. (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of KIMBERLEY spoke in favour of the
amendment, and said that as any member of the Cabinet,
except the Lord Chancellor of England, might be a Roman
Catholic, he could see no reason why the Viceroy should
not be so.
Atter a few other remarks, a division took place, when
it was found that the contents were 55 and the non-con-
tents 69, therefore the amendment was lost.
(LEFT SITTING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS—Tim EVENING.
The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock.
THE LATE EMPEROR MAXIMILIAN.
Sir L. PALK asked the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs if it was his intention to take any steps to record the
opinion of the House of Commons on the murder of the
Emperor Maximilian and his Generals ?
Lord STANLEY said that he did not think it expe-
dient for the house to enter into the lamentable matter at
the present moment.
Mr. °TWAY asked if any steps had been taken to
withdraw the British Legation from Mexico.
Lord STANLEY said her Majesty's
Minister er ac-
credited to the late Emperor was in on
leavet. and the gentleman left in charge had
peen dirooted not to rooogao tu)y Ciortrumeut.

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TRADES' UNION COMMISSION ACT EXTENSION

ACT.

Mr. HARDY moved that the house go into committee
on this bill. The late disclosures at Sheffield had ren-
dered such a bill necessary, and he could not express how
deeply he felt the disgrace of such disclosures as bad
taken place at Sheffield. Tho disgrace, however, must
not prevent them taking stops to prevent and root out
such a detestable state of things, and the bill now be-
fore the house was to extend the action of tho Sheffield
Commission to other places, in order to ascertain whether
a similar system had not been pursued.
Mr. FORSTER said, before the house went into com-
mittee he thought it was necessary that some expression
of opinion should take place. Ito could not express
the feelings of detestation and horror he entertained
at the lute disclosure. The first thing they had to du was
to get at the full extent of the disgrace, and then take
strung and efficient steps te root it out for ever.
He felt much ashamed that any Yorkshireman could
he hired for the perpetration of such cruel assassinations
as had been brought to light. Mr. Ovetend, the examiner,
had nu doubt done his duty iu conducting the inquiry
as ho had, but l e Olr. Foster) could not
help thinking that indemnity frcnt punishment
had been dispensed with too much libemelity. The com-
mission had not attempted to make anyone resp niLle
fur tile savage and inhuman acts that had been spoken
of. lla thought it would have been better to
'lava endeavoured to punish some of the persons so
deeply iralicated. He thought that after the evidence of
Hallam, i would have been quite possible to have fixed
Crookes with the crime. But Broaahead and Crookes had
both been pardoned, and the former was now driving a
very good trade as a publican. Without making further
pardons possible, except under very special circumstances,
he hoped the n.ost effective measures would be adopted,
and that all further proceedings be conducted with the
greatest caution.
Mr. GLADSTONE said he hoped some restrictions
would be placed on the power of those upon whom any
future investigation might fall, and that no indemnity
would be given except under the most special circum-
stances.
Mr. HADFIELD expressed his horror and indignation
at the disclosures.
Mr. BOUVERIE and Sir G. GREY also expressed their
feelings very strongly in the matter, the latter expressing
a hope that some steps would be taken to prevent such a
person as Broadhead holding a licence under the excise
IMPS.
Mr. B. COCHRANE said when he first brought the sub-
ject under the consideration of the house, the statements
he then made were looked upon as incredulous, but the re-
sult had proved the truth of all that he had then stated.
Mr. T. hUGHES said he hoped, if it was decided that
the same sort of inquiry that had taken place at Sheffield
was to be made in other places, the house would re-
consider the indemnity clause, in order that pardons
should not be distributed in the wholesale manner as had
been the case at Sheffield.
Mr. POWELL thought that if the inquiry was to be
efficacious the indemnity clause must be adhered to ; but
he did not think that all should be indiscriminately entitled
to it. If in any inquiry that took place enough truth was
elicited to justify the prosecution of some of those guilty
of such great crimes as had been disclosed at Sheffield,
that the law of the country would be put in force against
those so implicated.
After a few observations from Mr. NEATE deprecating
the horrible system that had been brought to light at Shef-
field, but that it would not be for the public good to have
any further exposure,
Mr. HARDY said without indemnity they would never
get at the bottom of these horrible crimes, and the fact that
they had been in existence for so long a time, proved how
secretly matters had been conducted.
The bill ultimately passed through committee, and was
reported with amendments.
(LEFT SITTING.