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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—(This Evening.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat OR the woolsack
at five o'clock.

THE JEW BILL.
The Duke of MARLBOROUGH gave notice that
when this bill was in committee he should move the in-
sertion of a clause prohibiting persons of the Jewish
persuasion from giving advice to the Crown with respect
to Ecclesiastical appointments.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition complaining
of the absurdity of the present railway system, and
praying for amendment. Tae noble lord also presented
petitions from Manchester, Edinburgh, and other
places, praying for an amendment of the law with respect
to the rights of married women.
The B'shop of OXFORD presented petitions from
Fenny Stratford, and other places, against the abolition
of church rates.
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION BILL.
The Earl of LIA.RDWICKE brought up the report of
amendments on this bill, and explained to their lordships
the Patine of the several additions that had been made
to the measure, relating to the rale, purchase, transfer
!cc. of ecclesiastical estates in committee. The noble
earl concluded by moving that the report be received.
Lord RAVENSWORTH moved the insertion of the
following amendment :—" That no appointment or ex-
change of ecclesiastical patronage under the provision
contained in the Act of the 6th and 7th years of King
Wrn. IV., chapter 77, section let, shall be carried into
eff_ct without the consent in writing of the bishop of the
diocese within which such ecclesiastical patronage so
proposed to he appointed or exchanged shall be situate."
The noble lord stated at some length his objections to
various parts of the bill, but he complained more espe-
cially of the obstruction, he might almost say the spolia-
tion, of 24 livings, involving revenue to the amount
of 16,000'. from the dioCese of Durham, to improve,
the almost unendowed sees of Ripon and Manchester.
Such a proceeding he contended was contrary to consti-
tutional as well as ecclesiastical rights.
[LEFT SPEAKING-.]

HOUSE OF OOMMONS.—(This Day.)
The !SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock.
MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE asked the house to postpone
the further consideration of-the bill. It slipped through
a second reading in consequence of the mistake of the
hon. member for Elinhurgh (Mr. Black) in not moving
at the proper time a specific motion for its rejection.
He moved the committal of the bill this day six months.
The bill was disliked generally throughout the country,
though it was supported by the Colleges of Surgeons and
Physicians.
Mr. COWPER said the petitions that bad been
presented in its favour showed that a large number of
the medical profession approved of it.
Mr. HEA.DLAM would support the motion for going
into committee, but he thought it would be impossible to
pass the bill this session, unless a spirit of conciliation
was displayed.
Mr. HADFIELD thought there was not much chancre
'of the bill passing this session-
Mr. WALPOLE considered the house should go into
committee on the bill. If the objections to the bill
could not then be got over, he would be prepared to
suggest the best course to be pursued.
Aft, r some remarks from Lord Eeeno and Mr. BLUM,
the house divided. Tile numbers were :
Fee going into committee
kgaiust it
Majority
The house then went into committee.
Clauses 1 and 2 were agreed to.
Oa clause 3,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE suggested that this, eni the
clauses up to 41, which established or provided for the
expenses of the act, should be postponed ti;l the com•
inittee had disposed of clause 41. It was right the house
and the country should know what would be the cost of
this " quackery," for sac's the bill was. It the forms of
the house precluded his postponing them in a lump, he
should move the postp mernent clause by clause. He
moved the postponement of clause 8.
Mr. COWPER said the clauses were so framed that no
demand would be made on the public exchequer for its
working. This was not a fair way to attack the bill,
snd he hoped the hon. gentleman would not press his
motion and thereby impede the progress of the bill.
Mr. AY RTON asked his hon. friend not to press his
motion. He had ascertained from many members of the
medical profession that the profession generally were
favourable to the measure. He believed the bill would
be advaetageons to the people.
Mr. lIA.TCHELL said the medical profession in Ire-
land were favourable to the passing of the measure. lie
hoped the hon. geutlernan would withdraw hie motion.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said it was of the utmost im-
portance the committee should know the expense of
working the bill, and if it was to be taken from the
public purse. He had hoard an enormous sum men-
tioned as likely to be required over and above the fees to
be taken under it. Every bill (with the exception of
the Attorney-General for Ireland's last bill) for improv-
ing anything laid hold of the public taxes. Ho hoped
the hon. member for Finsbury would press his motion.
If the medical profession wanted a bid of this kind, let
them pay for it, and not the public.
Mr. BLACK considered there would be abundance
of money to pay the expenses from this toes that would
be received under the bill.
Mr. HADFIELD complained that the bill excluded
the professors of hydropatey and hoinceepathy.
• eMr. T. DUNCOMBE said he should press his motion
unless he had an answer to big question.
Mr. WALPO LE said he agreed -with the hoe. member
that the public money ought not to be charged with any
of the expenses of this measure. As he road the bill the
clauses would throw a charge on the exchequer, and he
thought they ought to give the colleges power to im-
pose fees sufficient to pay the expenses. The whole
frame-work of the bill proceeded on the assumption
that the fees would b 3 sufficient to pay the expenses,
and clause 41 preeosed to allow the Government
to advance sufficient money until the fees were enough
to pay the expenses. He thought it would have been
Latter it the 41st clause had not been inserted, and
when they came to that clause he should oppose it.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE asked the hoe. member (Mr.
Cowper) it ho still persisted in his intention to retain
the 41st clans: I
Mr. COWPER slid he would omit the clause after
what bad been said by the Home Secretary. •
The amendment was then withdrawn and the clause
was agreed to.
Clauses 4,5, 6,7, 8,9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 were
agreed to.
On clause 15, •
Mr. LIE A.D LAM mosed an amendment, that no prac-
titioners, but, such as hard passed an examination at the
Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons, and received a
licence to practise, should be permitted to register them-
selves under the bill.
Mr. WALPOLE opposed the amendment.
The committee divided. The numbers were—
For the amendment.... ..... , ............... 21
Against it
............
Majority... ;
The clause was then agreed to.
Clauses 16 to 25 were also agreed to.
On clause 26,
Mr, HEADL A.M moved an amendment to add a pro-
viso that no person should be erased from the register
for having adopted any particular theory.
The amendment was agreed to, and the clause as
amended was ordered to stand part of the bill.
Clauses 27 to 40 were agreed to.
Clause 41 was struck out of the bill.
On clause 45,
Mr. HADFIELD moved the insertion of the following
proviso :—" That within 12 months after the granting
of such charter to the College of Physicians of London,
any fellow, member, or licentiate of the Royal College
of Physicians of Edinburgh, or of the Queen's College
of Physicians of Ireland, who may be in practice as a
physician in any part of the United Kingdom called
England, and who may be desirous of becoming -a fellow
or member of such College of Physicians of Bog
land, shall be at liberty to do to, and be entitled
to receive the diploma of the said college, and to be
admitted to all the rights and privileges thereunto ap-
pertaining, on the payment of a registration fee of
pounds to the
said college, and shall be free from all
stamp duty, in ease the existing stamp duty shall have
been already paid on the diploma held by such physician
from the College of Physicians to which be belongs."
The proviso, subject to the Chancellor of the Exche-
The remaining clauses after some verbal amendments
qwueerre'sa
garpeperdo vt
oa: was agreed to.
Mr. HEADLA.M moved the insertion of the follow-
ing clause in lien of clause 16 :—After the passing of this
act the medical regist,ars shall, under the authority of the
respective branch councils, require proof from every person
who q
be registered as such under the proei-
sions of section 15 of the; act, that he has completed the
age of 24 years, and that he has graduated in arts and
not appliesuaied t
to o
be registered as a physician, and who is
medicine, or in medicine, after having passed the exami-
nationa for a degree in arts in some university of the
United Kingdom, or in some foreign university approved
by the general council, or that his case come within
of physicians of England, Scotland, or
some special exception established by the general
council, and that he has been examined by and has re-
ceived letters testirrionisl as a physician from one ot the
Royal Colleges
pposed the clauee, and it was no a"
and has been enrolled as a member of that col-
lege.
the insertion of the following
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shall,E, fs i o nnotwithstandingmoved anything here con-
tained , be lawful for her Majesty, by charter, to
grant to the Royal
the fitness of persons to practise as
power to institute and bold examinations for the pur-
pose of testing
dentists, who may be desirous of being so examined,
and to grant certificates of such fitness."
The clause was agreed to.
The house then returned, and the bill was ordered to
be reported to-morrow (Wednesday).
COPYHOLD ACTS AMENDMENT BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
CHELSEA BRIDGE ACTS AMENDMENT BILL.
The committee ou this bill was postponed till Thurs-
day next.
Lord J, MANNARB 044 he intended.to omit the

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