The Sun.
London, England, 1867-12-02 00:00:00

771 E ALLEGED FENIAN COLONEL.

FURTHER EXAMINATION OF BURKE AND CASEY.
(Continued from our First Edition of Saturday.)
Dr. Kenealey said he would reserve his cross-
examinat ion until another opportunity. He thought,
however, something ought to be done with Casey ;
his was a very insignificant charge compared with
the other prisoner.
Mr. Poland said he intended to ask for another
remand for both prisoners, as inquiries were going
on with respect to Casey.
George Kylock said—l live at 45, Little Halkett -
street, Birmingham. I am a percussion cap and
ammunition maker. lam also a general dealer in
small arms. I carried on the business in 1865. I
knew the prisoner Burke; not as " Burke" though.
I first saw him, I believe, on the 23d of December,
1865, in my office. He had been there before, and
made some arrangement with my servant about the
percussion caps. He said he bad agreed with the
young person with respect to the articles he wanted,
and he had then mine to settle the bargain. Pri-
soner gave the name of " Edward C. Winslow," and
said he was then. stopping at the King's Head ; but
he afterwards had a place in George-street, to. whom
the things were sent. Prisoner did not say who he
was further than that he repreSented a commercial
firm ; composed of three individuals. Did not in-
quire into the nature of it, as it was no precise busi-
' ness. The first order was two million of military
perCjission caps, 250 small caps, and 40 revolvers
LeMat and. Gerard's 10-shot revolvers. The caps
were in cases. The cost of the goods was £387 7s.
6d. The military caps were in 20 cases in my ware-
house in Curzon-street. On the prisoner paying
me the money I gave him the order to receive the
goods. I also sent an order to Crowther and Co.,
the,agents for the North-Western Railway to deliver
the goods to prisoner. The 40 revolvers were given
to his man at the same time that the small caps were
delivered. That person signed his name Maledy.
Afterwards saw the prisoner ; he said he liked the
goods very well. He said he should require a lot of
similar goods. I said I could get them for him.
I did do so, and having collected them from different
makers, I told the prisoner. I know Mr. W. F.
Hill, gun and pistol maker, No. 9, St. Mary's-road,
Birmingham. I went with the prisoner to that per-
son's place of business very soon after I first saw
him. It might have been the same day, but I can.
not say positively. We went to Hill's to see what
pistols he had in stock, as he was a maker of that
article. Prisoner examined a great many of the
articles, which he pointed out as suitable for his
trade, as he called it. An arrangement was then made
about the goods. I was to make the purchase of
Mr. Hill. I did do so, and afterwards I received a
great number of pistols from that gentleman, most of
which I sold to the prisoner. I sold him altogether
627 revolvers from first to last during my transac-
tions with him, which extended from December,
'65, to January, '66. The total amount of the bill
was £1,972, all of which had been paid except a
small balance which related to return of some cases.
I received an order for rifles from the prisoner as
well as pistols. Bullet•moulds were sent with each
of the pistols. I also sent the usual accompaniment
of a rifle. Prisoner invariably paid cash except on
one occasion, when I made out the invoice. I had
asked him to purchase a lot of rifles, as I always
have a lot on hand. Soon after that he came very
hurriedly one day and said he would take the lot of
goods, but 1 must give him credit until the Saturday
night. This was on a Thursday. I demurred
slightly, but since my transactions com-
menced with him we have become intimate,
owing to his agreeable manners. I said "I will
run the risk, and you shall have them." The gross
amount to be paid on the Saturday for them was
£698 ls. 6d. This transaction took place on the
28th December, but there were other transactions,
making the credit I was to give amount to £7OO.
Ile arranged to come to my place and pay on the
Saturday. He did not do so, and I saw him the
following day at the King's Head Hotel. I was
rather uneasy about the £7OO floating about, and
on seeing the prisoner he said he was very glad to
see me, as ho would pay me the money. I told him
I was particularly glad to see him. He then paid
me the money. The revolvers were delivered loose,
the rifles in cases of 20 each.
Sir T. Henry—Who took them away ?
Witness—They were delivered to various persona.
Maledy came for some as well as others.
Examination continued—l knew Maledy as
Winslow's servant. There is a signature I did not
recognise until last night, William John Menay.
I have been to 64, George-street, and have also been
in the packing-room there ; but I don't think lever
saw the prisoner there. Now I look again I think
the man Casey is the man Maledy.
Dr. Kenealey—Do be careful now about such a
thing as that.
Witness (looking at Casey)—Well, yes, he's very
like ; however, I will not say positively he's the
man.

Sir Thomas Henry—You must have a belief
about the matter.
Witness—Well, I'm sure he's one of those whom
I have seen at George-street, if he is not Maledy,
but I believe him to be that person. .
Examination continued—There was a plate on
the door of 64, George-street, " E. O. Winslow,
Commission-agent." I believe it to be there at the
present moment. I never went into the room at the
back on the ground floor of the house in George-
street. I knew the prisoner altogether in Birming-
ham about twp months. During our acquaintance
the prisoner told me he was in communication with
Harper's establishment in New York.
Mr. Poland—Did he ever tell you what composi-
tion he could make ? I don't mean a literary cam-
position.
W itn ess—No.
Mr. Poland—Did he ever say anything about
some sort of fire?
Witness—Well, we have had a conversation about
something that would set fire to everything ; and
when the discovery was made in Liverpool of the
Greek fire I remarked that that was the stuff Wins-
low used to talk about, and Winslow said that he
knew how it was done. He called it Greek fire.
A number of letters respecting orders from the
prisoner Burke to witness Kylock were then put
and read to prove the handwriting of the prisoner.
Mr. W. J. Hill said—l carry on business at No.
9, St. Marys-row, Birmingham, and am a gun and
pistol maker. At the end of 1865 Mr. Kylock came
with a gentleman to my warehouse. The taller
prisoner (Burke) was that person. He then said
his name was Winslow, and asked what quantity of
revolvers I had in stock, and the lowest price re-
quired. I stated some prices, but he asked whether
any abatement would be made if he gave a large
order, and asked what I considered a large order.
I said 100 or 200 ; when he replied, " If I con-
sidered that a large order, he could give a larger one
than that." He then asked me what quantity
I could deliver by the following Wednesday. I
told him the quantity, but I could not recollect
now the exact amount. He said most likely he
could employ me in the execution of orders for at
bast six or nine months, taking what I could
produce within that time. I told him I
could produce 100 per week, and he said
he thought that a smaller quantity than he
should have imagined in such a town as Bir-
mingham. 1 agreed to supply the quantity he then
ordered to Mr, Kyloek on the following Wednes-
day. This was the Saturday evening previous to
Christmas-day, 1865. Mr. Kylock was to pay
for the goods. 1 saw him after that a
great many times at my place of business.
By reference to my books I find the 27th of Dec.
was the first transaction ; on that occasion 135 re-
volvers were supplied, on the 30th, 45 ; on Jan. 4,
1860, 49 ; on the 7th of that month, 28. After
that I saw the prisoner at Mr. Kylock's, fre-
quently examining the goods 1 had sup-1

plied. On the 26th of January, 1866, I sold a
pistol to Mr. Rylock, it was a highly fur-
nished one, its cost price being about £5 10s.
(a presentation pistol from the prisoner.) After
that 1 went on making a largequantity of revolvers,
but I did not deliver them. I had got forward
about 300 in consequence of a difference arising be-
tween myself and "Mr. Kylock. - I recollect hearing
the prisoner mention • South. America, and I
imagined the pistols were going there. I have not
seen the pri6mer since the last delivery of pods.
Eliza Lambert said—l live at 7, Tavistoek-street,
I3edford-square. Some time early in the year
two gentlemen came to live there. The names of
these persons were Mr. 'Wallace and Mr. Cle-
burn. The tall gentleman in the dock is Mr.
Wallace.

The witness Massey was then sent for, and on
his appearing in court she idontified him as " Mr.

Cleburn."

Examination continued-4 cannot r.2collect the
gentlemen leaving. I knew a detective officer

named Clarke came to the house after they had
both left. It was about a week after Cleburn went
away. They both occupied (IL! front room on the
third floor, and paid 10s. a week-. Sometimes I
saw them more frequently than others.
Mr. Poland said that was as far as he intended to
proceed to-day, and he had now to ask for another
remand.

Mr. Kencaley hoped that some arrangement
would be made that the case against the prisoners
would be completed on that day. It was a great
hardship and expensive to the prisoners to be kept
continually under remand.

Sir T. Henry said he did not think that any un-
nece:.=sary delay would be made by the prosecution.
It was a very important investigation. Doubtless
the obtaining the necessary witnesses was attended
with great difficulty.

Mr-. Poland—l cannot undertake to sap
complete the case next week.
Sir T. llenry—We will remand the case for a
week, and at the end of that say what is to be done.