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SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock.

IMPERIAL PAR LIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—ghis Eveuing.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at five o'ek.ek.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved for the production
of a letter addressed by him to the Court of Directors,
dated the 28th of Aprd, and also for the memorandum
of Sir G. Clerk on the same suhjecr.—Agreed to.
Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY presented peti-
tions from the Chamber of Commerce and the Legal
Society in Manchester, complaining of the conduct of
Mr. Jeromett, the Commissioner of Bankruptcy in
Manchester. They prayed that Mr. Jemmett might be
removed from the bench.
The LARD CHANCELLOR said be was afraid,
although the appointment of the Commissioners in
Bankruptcy was vested in him, he had no power what-
ever to remove these officers.
The petition was then ordered to lie on the table.
SIR J. OUTRAN AND MR. HALLIDAY.
The LORD CEIANCELLOR read letters from Sir J.
Outran and Mr. Halliday, acknowledging the votes of
thanks their lordships had transmitted to them for the
part they had taken in suppressing the mutiny in Bengal.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT BILL.
Tuis bill was read a third time and time aid passed.
RAILWAY CHEAP TRAINS, &c., BILL.
This bill passed through the committee.
(LEFT SITTING.)

ROUSE OF 004NIONS—(This Day.)
The SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock.
NEW WRITS.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE moved for new writs for South
Devon and North Cheshire, the former vacant by the
acceptance of the Cailtern Hundreds by Sir J. Y. Buller,
and the latter by the appointment to a similar office of
Mr. W. T. Egerton.
The motion was agreed to.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords' amendments to the South Wales Railway
(new railway, &c.) bill and the Vale of Tawy Railway
bill, %ere considered and agreed to.
Colonel WILSON PATTEN called attention to the
standing orders of the house with a view to seine ha.
provements. He adverted particularly to the difficulties
in the way of railway committees, and recommended
the appointment of five permanent chairmen. He had
had communications with gentlemen of experience in
the house, and he was happy to say that three most
experienced chairiwn bad agreed to serve.
Lord R. CECIL concurred in the view expressed by
Colonel Patten, and considered that she majority of
members were unfit for such commietee duties as were
imposed upon them. With regard to private bills much
evidence was taken, and one witness, Mr. Denison,
the chairman of the Great Northern Railway, recom-
mended that the jurisdiction should be taken away
from the house altogether. It fr-quently happened that
members of the committee, from ignorance of the man-
ner of conducting icve4igatlous in courts of justice,
puisued lines of examination wholly irrelevant, and
they allowed coun-el to play ail sorts of tricks with
them. Occasionally a member of the committee struck
up a mare's nest, and detained a witness a day and a
half, although the expenses to the parties amounted to
2001. or 3001. a year. Permanent chairmen would have
to sit 50 days in the session, four times a day, and he
thought it was only jut that they should receive com-
pensation for their labours.
Mr. D. GRIFFITHS complained that in these com-
mittees counsel received enormous and unreasonable fees,
and rushed about from one committee to another. He
trusted that that system would receive a check, espe-
cially as the counsel practicing before Parliamentary
committees were not required to be so astute, or their
legal talents so perfect, as those who practised in courts
of ju-tics.
Sir D. NORREYS thought that gentlemen degraded
themselves by the centralisation of business in that
house. He believed that much of that business mieht
be transacted in their various counties, at a very much
smaller expense than was incurred in bringing it to
London.

CA. WILSON PATTEN hoped the day would never
come when members of that house would be paid for
their parliamentary services.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER promised
that the attention of the Government should be called

to the report of the committee appointed fur the revision
of the starveling orders.
Co'onel PATTEN moved, that this house will not in.
sist on its privileges with regard to any clauses in pri-
vate bills sent down from the House of Lords which re-
fer to tol's and charges for services performed, and are
not in the nature of a tax.
The motion was agreed to.
GOVERNMENT OF INDIA BILL.
On the order for the consideration of the Lords Amend-
ments on this bill,
fielucel SYKES moved as an amendment that they
be considered this day three months. The East India
Company had gainel an empire which Alexander the
Great or Augustus Ceasar might have envied, and
he thought, therefore, it might have been re-
spected by the Government instead of seeking its
extinciion. He had been for a long time con-
nected with the company, and he could say that
there had always been a desire to prevent war,
annexation, and extensions, and that what bad been
done bad been forced upon them by the home Go-
vernment, and they bad been obliged to confirm the acts
of the home Government against their better convic-
tions. With those exceptions, there bad not been a
failure in its administra ive power. Millions of men and
abundance of stores had been conveyed to India, and be
held that there had not been aSsingle failure, and, so
far as he was aware, not a complaint. The directors,
he maintained, bad been actuated by the best intentions
to ensure to the people of India their rights, privileges,
and justice. (Hear, hear.) It could not be contended
that the Company was responsible for the Indian mutiny,
which arose from the fact that a certain number of
gallant men preferred death to dishonour, and would
not do that which was cpposed to their reli-
gious convictions. That spirit rapidly ran through
the army of Bengal, and speedily made it a mass of
mutiny. The bill cru!bed a court which enabled the
people to come before the public with their complaint.,
and which put an end to party strife in that house on
Indian affairs—steife which he contended bad been a
disgrace to the British character. What was the
present state of India! Everything must succumb
to our arms there, but it was like putting
a man's finger upon a globule of quicksilver.
He thought he bad got it under his power, but
only let him look around, and he would see 20
globules starting on every side. That anus the exact
state of India at present in reference to our military ope-
rations there. He believed that the present state of this
questionpapers
had wemelaocniottihse
part of the public that the authority of the company
was the
ted resulttbat there a mwi satsa kae. determination Bom
should be transferred to the Crown. Many members of
that house believed those statements, and hence the
large division which took place on the question. He
might remind the house that there were at that moment
481 petitions before the house in reference to India. Of
these 126 were for the removal of the system of caste,
89 were against Holatry, and 145 were for the extension
of Christianity. So that there were 360 petitions closely
touching the feelings of the people, (Hear, hear.)
He helieved that in this movement the natives of India
would come to the conclusion that the Government
was not caring for them, and that the only of jest they
had in view was to secure the patronage which would
fail into their hands as a result of this transfer of power.
That would necessarily tend to increase the distrust of
the English Government which so extensively prevailed
in India. The result of all this was that there was in
India at the present time a more dangerous enemy then
the mutineers in India, and that was a want of confi-
dence ori the part of the people. He would say, let the
missionaries in India pursue their arduous and, he had
no doubt, beneficial labours. They were doing good,
for they were unsuspected, not being connected witn the
Government. There were 460 of them, of all denomi-
nations, labouring in various parts of the country, to
which they had free access, but if they once had the
official prestige of Government they would be the worst
enemies India ever bad. He would say, in conclusion,
that the Government should endeavour to re. poet the
prejudices of the people of India, as far as they were
reasonable and just, and that they should mark the
transfer of power to the Crown by a discriminating am-
nesty. Unless these things were done, there woule be no
peace in India, and no safety for our dominions. (Hear,

hear.)
Mr. MANGLES defended the civil service of the
East India Company, which he te,nsidered bad been
treated with undue disrespect in that house. He had been
cinuected with it for many years, and be could bear
testimony to the fact that it had always been guided
with a view tothe benefit of India. (Hear.) Hecomplaiced
that in a previous debate Mr. Bright had asserted
that the company bad laboured from a chronic defi•
trench a statement which he most positively denied.
The same hon. gentleman had also asserted that the
land revenue was a moat oppressive system of• taxation,
but the facts he believed would prove most undeniably
that it was a most moderate system of taxation, and
that it was cheerfully borne. The assessments had been
continually reduced in a manner which was satisfactory
to the people, and without any positive loss of revenue.
The hon. gentleman repeated the conviction he has fre-
quently expressed on tormer occasions, that, with few
and unimportant exceptions, the late outbreak was a
military rebellion, and he held, as a general rule, that
the r-mark was perfectly true—" Where no Senor, no
ineurrection." Reverting to the civil s,rv,ce, he denied
that the men who composed It were overpai,t. It was
not to be expected that men would go to India for the
same salaries they would accept amongst their friends
at borne. If they offered the men connected with the
civil service in India half the salaries they eo•v had for
work in Indis, that civil service would be very soon
denuded of its best men. (Hear.) He made an earnest
appeal to the noble lord at the head of the Ir,dia de-
partment that, in apportioning the rewards for recent
services in India, military success should not be the
a de c'aien, and that those men should not be forgotten
who had saved us from military successes by preserving
the peace of their respective districts. (Hoer, hear.)
A'nonget hese he might mention such men as E awards,
U iamberlaie, and Cotton. He hoped that govern:vont
wcutd abstain from intertererce slid: the religion of the
pe:)pla cf India, r.nd that in this respect the govern...lent
W hold the scales equally between all. The Hindoos,
so far from having a dread, had a great respect for the
misiionaties, so long as they know that they were
acting an independent part: and were unconnected