The Sun.
London, England, 1858-07-20 00:00:00

ri iatla :Yu eWr i oer
toy. took our
ourpaition in that country by our Englishmanme-
holding official position
there was in a manner a representative of his country,
and whatever he did to impair his own position he im-
paired at the same time the position of the government
of this country. At the same time whatever be did dis-
tinguishing his own conduct from that of others increased
the strength of his governiniint. Ile remembered a friend
of his having gone_ro the late Duke of Wellington on
the subject of a court-martial. It was suggested that an
officer who had been dismiesen for dt uzikenness should
be restored to the service. Ile-himself told the duke that
there wore extenuating circuensiaucos, but the duke re-
viled, "Never forgive drunkenneee in an Officer ; de-
pend open it that the natives are ixfternely clever-in
discovering the character of every Englishman and there
is no offence that is so disgusting in their eyes as druo•
kenneee." It was not that only, it was by our moral
epit it that See succeeded in Irdia ; and if that was low.
ered we should suffix. injury. He bad always acted on
that principle. It was because be •N:S.9 most desirous that
we should have gentlemen of the highest character at
the head f affeire in that country, that we should act
tare the eldest s ,ris of milliners, grocers, or tailors,
riders of the John Gilpin eLsa, in that positieu that ho
objected tot this clause. We should have them, whilst
the suns of poor country gentlemen who could not
obtain the same education, but were infinitely more
suited to the poeition, were excluded. There never was
a time when it was more important that the general
the
a
de-
meanour of officers towards the natives should be thated
he when
et
e noner
taitre edf gentlemen. This alteration was proposed also at a three
pprehensions as to our officers could
which might perhaps Lave been enter-
tained formerly. The directors a ere no longer elected by
a constitneet body who had claims upon their patronage
which might hare led in former times to the selection of
persons not of the most proper kind ; and the membered
of council, by not having rents in Paihainent, would Le
eared from other claiiee. He could not but regard this
dance es an act of homage to the mob. It was totally
uncalled fir, no one asked for it, no one expressed the
smallest wish to hove this great change introduced into
our Indian army, and it war proposed when that parti-
cular branch of the profeetion was covered with glory,
and when there was every reason to suppose that it
would maintain its pcsitiou in future. It was an enact-
ment which would affect the futute efficiency of the
artillery and engineers, and it was impossible that it
should not give the greatest offence to the officers of
those corps.
The Earl of'DERBY said that it was with the greatest
possible deference to the opinion of his noble friend, and
more especially on the subject_ on which he spoke with
such great weight and authority, that he could not co-
incide with his argument. He thought that some portion
of that argument way inconshrtent eith the other part
of it. His noble friend said that competition was for
the first time introduced into the scientific corps. The
clause, however, did not introduce the principle of com-
petition. As the clause stood, it did indeed introduce
the principle of competition, but he had stated that be
proposed to amend the clause by leaving out the werds,
-"
and the candidates who may be found entitled under
such regulations shall be-recommended for such cadet-
ships according to the order of their profickncy as shown
by such examinations." On the second reading he
had announced his intention to omit those word!.
The clause provided that candidates were to be admit-
ted to the artillery and engineers on examination,
under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of State,
acting with the advice of his council. He thought that
competition was a mode of appointment which they
ought to watch ; but if there was any portion of the ser-
vice, civil or military, in which competition could be
fairly applied, it was the scientific branch of the mili-
tary service. The Royal Artillery and the Royal Engi-
neers were tuject to the strictest competition and ex-
amination. Tirere was competition for catering Wool-
wich, and competition for getting out into the army, and
they were still liable to be rejected if their conduct and
qualifications rare not adequate to the promise they
had given. If a person was proved guilty of being un-
gentlemanly in his habits, dissipated in his conduct, his
claim was disallowed, and if there were proper regula-
tions for the examination, he could cot see that any risk
was incurred. His noble friend had said that there was
strict competition at Additcombe. lie said that we had
security for having gentlemen at Addiscombe, He could
not say that he agreed with his noble friend that be-
cause a person happened to be the sun of a grocer, a
tailor, or a chteremonger, provided he had the necessary
qualifications, ho should not obtain a cematiseion.
(Hear, hear.) What'a man's origin was was nothing,
what was necessary was that he should have proper
qualifications, in the way of scientific attainments and
moral character ; and if he found a man having those
qualifications, he did not care what was his birth, he
was entitled to obtain the position. The cadets at Ad-
discombe had certainly great advantage in the high cha-
racter of their professors. He could not understand on
what principle his noble friend contended that that
which was introduced into every department of the civil
service at home and of the royal army, and more rigidly
as to the scientific departments of the royal army, ought
not to he introduced into the Indian army. If they bad
laid down gt strict rule that the men who succeeded on
examination should take priority of all others, it would be
cut jest to many serious objections, but if the clause only
provided that there should be examinations for persons
entering the ecientific corps, there was no such objection.
Ile could not understand on what principle those who ad-
vocated competition in the civil service,and especially for
the scientific branch of the military service, could object
to the clause, which would only give security that many
of the candidates for this service bed a large amount of
scientific knowledge necessary to enable them to dis•
charge the duties.
The Duke of SOMERSET agreed that the Indian ar-
tillery had been, up to the present time, excellent, and
indeed Sir C. Napier bad said that it was second to no
artillery in the world. This question had been brought
before him when be was a member of a commission on
the subject, and on that occasion Mr. P. Melville said
that Addiscombe was the military college for officers for
the scientific corps, and that they admitted double the
number of cadets required in order to have fall competi-
tion. Before admission the candidates passed a preitni-
nary examination. This system had been in force many
years at Addiscombe. There Ras there competition no
doubt, and the same system was adopted in France and
Austria. What he feared in the system of the Gneerr
ment was that there v--s to b cereee wituout any
c3-stem of inibtaty iiiecipline. lie thought it was most
desirable that young gentlemen in passing through the ,
college should pass through a system of military disci-
pline. Ile thought that Addiscombe, instead of being
done away with, ought to be enlarged. Perhaps it was
desirable to remove the establishment at Addiscombe to
Haileyhuly, which was a larger building. In his opinion
no one should enter the Indian artillery without having
previously passed through a military college.
Earl GRANVILLE saw no advantage in retaining
this clause, if the noble earl (Derby) could not tell them
what he intended to do with regard to Addiscombe and
the native scientific branches of the army.
The Earl of HARD WICKE thought the "scientific
branches of the Indian army must be dealt with in mush
the same manner that' the scientific branches of the royal
army had been. This clause would do more with regard
to the former service than had already been done with
regard to the latter.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE agreed with his noble
friend rear him (the Duke of Somerset) that this clause
a
to destroy the college atddiscombe. They bad already
Addiscombe.
colleges—v.z., Hatleybury ; and
was useless, and thought its natural tendency would be
lost ono of the London collet,
he believed that one of the best things that the new Se-
cretary of Sate for India could do would be to re-estab• -
speedil
for any one to have studied the bietorY
Fah that college as y possible. It was impos-
he thought,
of India without learning that a special education was
rsquiaite both for the military and the civil service.
Lord CRANWORTH said it was true the noble earl
(Derby) had, by the amendment which he proposed, re-
moved the principal objection to the clause, but he had
not told them what was to besubstitated for the omission.
The Earl of DERBY remarked that his objection to
the concluding words of the clause was that they would
interfere with the constitutional exercise of the power of
the Crown. Hitherto the competitive principle bad always
been applied under the direct authority of the Crown, and
he thought that it ought still to be left where it was.
Lord MONTEAGLE expressed hisdecided opposition
to any proposal which would endanger the continuance
of Addiscombe.

The Earl of ELLENEOROTJGII said he should like
to see a Lecond military college at ilaileybury, and the
same competitive examination for the students of the
new college and of Addiscornbe. One great advantage
of such au arrangement would be that there would vir-
tually be competition between the professors of the two
colleges as well as the studento. His noble friend (the
Earl of Hard wicks) seemed to think it desirable that the
system introduced into her Mojezty's army should be in-
troduc d into the army of India. He would caution their
ler.,ships against adopting the prinnple of assimilation,
against attempting to assimilate the Indian to the Eng-
lish army. Tney all knew what great advantages were
derived last year from the differences between the Ben-
gal, the Bombay, and the Madras armies. Those differ-
',Aces had prevented the spreading of the mutiny, and
saved our Indian empire, and they might depend upon it
their security there rested upon differences, and not upon
assimilation.

Lord BROUGHTON considered it very undesirable
that Addiscombe should be done away with.
The Earl of DERBY said the clause did not hint at
Addigcorobe.

Lord BROUGHTON—No ; but it gives the govern-
ment power with respect to Addiscombe.
The Earl of DERBY—It gives the Government 110.
power with regard to Addiscowbe which it has not Poe'
aeßsed already. It does not interfere with Addisoombe.
Lord BROGULITON--But it gives the Government
combe.pow er to substitute another education for that of Adchs-
_

The Earl of DERBY—It does not give any power,
and it does not take away the power which the Govern-
ment pos•esses at this moment,
Lord BROUGRTON—Bot under this clause the
Government had an additional power, and a sort of re-
commendation to apply it. Ile hoped the noble earl
would consider this among the other infirmities of the
onaa
bill. (Laughter.) There had hardly been a considerable
man of late years in India who did not owe his educa-
tion to Achliscombe, and the most eminent residents had
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clause 36,
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The Earl of ALBEMARLE oh' d the
jecte to clause.
As it stood it gave all the patronage to the new Conn-
ent to cad, tships,
01, asil showed the influence exercised on the Govern