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grien ditto, Maggie sunk in harbour, W.I. packet
ditto, Nanette ditto, Da Ifermanos ditto, Petrel
ashore, and may be got off, Pigmy ditto ; Wickitn.
ditto, Liliputian disappeared, supposed to have
sunk ; V. G. Baird or Berg ashore, dismasted, but
can be got off ; Sarah Newman ashore, pessibly may
be floated; Charles Sprague disappeared, supposed
to have been wrecked ; Aberdeen ashore, dismast-
ed ; Mecasta ditto; Nclly Gay, dismasted, along-
silo the dock ; Clintoa c tpsiz ; Caravelle
dismasted ; Bo nice ashore, wrecked ; Bruno ditto. ;
Veloc.. sunk ; milord ;yid disma3ted
Emma, sunk ; GJneral de Lourtuel, disniasted ;
Jackrnal, ditto ; Sylph, souk, but may be
raised ; Veloy, disoi ,steel ;
sunk ; Ile:ius, a0h0r..., cargo s.tred ;
ditto ; Julianne, su,,k ; Treffer, so ; Maria
Anna, ash we, dismaste'l ; tj dismasted,
much darn ag,:d ; Juliet, ; Ainalia, sunk,
Pelayo, ashore, badly (.t nage 1 ; Conway, very
di. to ; Reuniwi, sunk ; Itassido, ditto ; Forrnaclid
ditto ; Ines /lerinano,;, ditto ; Albagracia, (litto ;
Alf .mso, ditto ; Uttiiia, ditt ; Man nela, ditto;
Velox, dismasted ; Panchita, sunk ; John Pan-
chita, ditto; Oriental, ditto; Concepcion, ditto;
Itchen, sunk in harbour ; British Empire, all the
lighters and small craf t sunk in the harbour. A bout3oo
bodies had been recovered and interred at St,
Thomas.

No mails or specie were lost by the Royal Mail
Company's ship Rhone.
The Douro experienced unfavourable weather
throughout the voyage—strong north -easterly
winds, often amounting to a gale, with heavy sea.,
The Conway is again afloat. The Tyne went to
windward with the Douro's out mail, and the
Solent to Jamaica and the Isthmus. The Tarnar
brings the next home mail.

IMPERIAL FARM AIUNri:

HOUSE OF LOR7)S—Tins EVENING.
The LORD CIIANCELLOIt took his seat on the wou;jaack at
five o'clock.

REPLY TO THE ADDRESS.
The Earl of BRADFORD read her Maj'Jsty's reply to
the loyal Address which had been pre§ented to her b
their lordships' house, which was as fonovvs :
y
" I thank you for your loyal and duAiful Address, and I
ani confident that I shall receive your cordial assistance
and support in all measures to Ir-aintaiu the dignity of my
Crown and the happiness and. welfare of my people."
The house then adjournbd.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-Dm EVENING.
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
MILITARY EDUCATION.
Lord E. CECIL gave notice to move for a Royal com-
mission to inquire into the state of military education in
this country, and also to inquire into the system carried on
at Woolwich and Se.odhurst.

UONS ULCAMERON

Colonel SY:i.ES asked the Secretary of State for War
whether Consul Cameron had a commission in her Ma-
jesty's army at present, and whether ho formerly held a
commission ; and if so, what were the alleged reasons for
his retirement ?
Sir J. PAKINGTON said Consul Cameron did not at
the present time hold a commission in the army. He had
on a former occasion held a commission as ensign from
1846 to 1851, and he then sold out in consequence of his
being unable to obtain promotion under the purchase
system. He afterwards settled at Natal and served during
the Caffre war, for which services he received the Cape war
medal. He afterwards served under Sir F. Williams at
Kars, holding the local rank of captain, which rank of
course ceased on• the close of the war. Ho had received
testimonials from General Williams with respect to the
services of Consul Cameron, all of which spoke in the
highest terms of his bravery and ability. (lioar, hear).

SALE OF CATTLE AT FAIRS.

In reply to Mr. HODOKINSON,
Lord It. MONTAGU said there would be no objection
to grant sale licenses to fairs under certain regulations.
Mr. HODGKINSON asked whether cattle could be sent
to those fairs with passes.
Lord R. MONTAGU replied in the affirmative.
THE RIVER THAMES.
Mr. CRAWFORD asked the Vice-President of the Board
of Trade whether it was true that the navigation of the
river Thames was in danger of being obstructed by the
formation of mud banks near the outfall of the main
drainage sewers at Crossness and Barking Reach ?
Mr. CAVE said iu the summer an obstruction occurred
near Barking Reach, and a survey was ordered by the
Board of Conservancy, which reported that there were
mud banks six feet in height off the main
drainage outfall at Barking Reach. A portion
of the deposit had been sent to Dr. Letheby, whose opinion
was, that the mud was decidedly the deposit of sewage in
an advanced state of decomposition. The conservancy had
given directions for the removal of the inudbanks, and
during the op ,rations there need be no fear of
the navigation of the river being interfered with. There
was, however, some difference of opinion between the
Biard of Works as to the liability of the latter to perform
the work. There would be no objection to lay the papers
connected with the subject on the !able if required.
ABYSSINIA.

Mr. CRAWFORD Ta:kecitleSdcrotary of State for
India whetherany arrangements were being made for con-
necting by telegraph the port of disembarkation of the
expeditionary force on the coast of Abyssinia with the
ports of Suez and Aden.
Sir S. \ORTHCOTE said no arrangements of the kind
had been made. A proposal had been made to him by the
Telegraph Maintenance Complay which ho could not
entertain, and he bad on that made a counter proposition
to the company, but he did not think there was much hope
that the proposal would be accepted.
STAFF APPOINTMENTS.
Sir P. O'BRIEN asked the Secretary of State for War
when the returns relative to staff appointments, ordered in
June last, would be laid upon the table.
Sir J. PAKINGTON said he hoped to be able to lay the
reports on the table in a few days.
THE CASE OF MAGUIRE.
Mr. WATKIN, in reference to the case of Maguire, who
had received an unconditional pardon with respect to the
conviction that had been obtained against him at Man-
chester, said the man. had served 13 years in Her Ma-
jesty's service, and he hoped he would not be deprived of
the benefits of that service, because if so he would suffer
great injustice.
Sir J. PAKINGTON said he would state what was to
be done in the course of a few days.
Mr. CORRY said perhaps his hon. friend would allow
him to make the announcement that Maguire had been
restored to his position in her Majesty's service. (Hear,
hear.)
THE METROPOLIS REGULATION BILL.
Mr. HARDY said it had been found that a certain
clause in the bill, which received the sanction of Parlia-
ment just before the close of last session,. if put into
full operation would work with great injustice to
a large number of industrious people. He therefore
had to introduce a bill to remedy that state of things.
(Hear, hear.) The measure he now had the honour to lay
on the table was a very short one, with but one clause,
which was to the effect that the section in the Metro-
polis Traffic Act should not apply to costermongers, street
hawkers, and street traders so long as they complied with
the regulations laid down by the Commissioners of Police.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. AYR VON said the present bill was the result of
hasty legislation, but whilst so much consideration was paid
to the costermongers, some consideration should be given
to the shopkeeper, who paid rates, while the costertnonger
did not. There were many other matters in the bill which
required reconsideration, and he hoped the house would
not agree to pass the bill now introduced until some other
matters which required consideration were disposed of.
Sir G. BOWYER said that when they were considering
the matter something ought to be done to limit the powers
of the Commissioners of Police, and if no one else felt dis-
posed to take the matter up he would, and he should be
prepared to propose a remedy, and also to make the Com-
miesioners of Police responsible for what they did.
Alderman LAWRENCE said there were other persons
besides the costermougerswho hadhardships to complain of
There were the cab drivers and cab proprietors. They were
by the bill to provide lamps to their cabs, which would
entail very great expanse on them, without any material
benefit to the public. Ho hoped their. grievance would
not be overlooked.

Mr. HARDY said the grievances of all parties could not
be redressed at once, and if it was proposed so to do it
would be impos ibis to pass the bill during the present
shot% session. With respect to the grievances of the cab
proprietors, he did not think their grievances had been so
fully proved. They, in fact, when they waited upon
him, wished for a consolidation of the law. The
instance of the lamps he did not think a great
hardship because nearly every Hansom cab, previous to
the passing of the bill, carried one, but which they put
out immediately the bill passed, because, ho supposed,
they objected to any compulsory enactment.
The lamp of the Hansom cab was very ad-
vantageous, because it enabled them to be
hailed seine distance away; and with respect to the
four-wheeled cabs he thought a compromise might be
made by their placing one lamp on the splash board, which
might very easily be arranged.
The subject then dropped, and leave was given to in-
troduce the bill.

THE CONDEMNED CONVICTS.
Mr. MAGUIRE moved the adjournment of the house,
in order to make an appeal to her Majesty's Govern-
ment to delay the execution of the four persons now
under sentence of death at Manchester. He said there
were circumstances connected with the trial which loudly
called for delay ; the evidence had in one case broken
down, and if the men were executed before all the judges
had iull3 reconsidered the whale of the evidence, the
most lamentable consequences would result. lie
thought the whole of the judges should be
called upon to consider the point of law that had been
raised at the trial, he called upon the Government to du
that, and not perpetrate that which might be called legal
murder.

Mr. FAWCETT thought some differonel ought to be
made between the man Allen, who actually fired the shot,
and the other three ineil who had not committed
so great a crime.
Sir G. BO W YER thought the execution of the men
ought to be suspended until the pciut of law had been de-
cided by all the judges.
Sergeant GAZELLE, and other members, urged for
postponement.
Mr. HARDY said ho was placed in a most painful
position, because to do as the hon. gentleman opposite
required, he called upon him to do an illegal act. The
point referred to had ho believed been fully considered,
and Mr. Justice Blackburn had he believed consulted
the whole of his brother judges on the point raised, and
from not one had he received an opinion adverse to the
judgment be hail formed.
Mr. M. CHAMBERS thought the point should be refer-
red to the whole of the Judges for consideration.
Mr. GLADSTONE thought the expression of such an
opinion by so eminent a legal authority as his hon. and
learned friend, deserved the deepest consideration.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said Mr. Justice Black-
burne bad consulted the whole .of tho judges b9f9re 119
decided the point ,raised was untenable,
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The houge then adjourned,