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fsciuree:.- It wits Old that the 4ssertiont of those
fwhnbrOuglit forward this•subjed were exaggefate'L
was-Stiid, and in one instance already proved,
it hat the statements tin the other•side weft fallacious,
'therefore let the House •no longer::fest on exagger-
ated
statements on the one hand, -or false construe
,lion or defective information eientalte-obthet, but lel.
the Hotise see the fans as.ilaey really were. -Mr. -
*Caeatenea quoted from.the.lsitibtlaPainphlet another.
part of- the Speech of:the AT-coatNay-GENERAL of
'rebind; for the purpose-of showing that the Insur—
redion of the 231 of July was the consequence of a
preconcerted conspiracy ; it.was. a plan instigated
by treason, by pe.rsems united together by one coin:-
min !bond -Of crimes, ,and Insurrection was the con-
sequence of their milted efforts. But whatever
might be the degree of danger on the 23d of Joly,
it. was true that precaution had been taken in ahun-
direce tine that day. ,He ~should not, delay the
blouse by giving the Clerk the trouble of reading
the Motion, but he believed it referred only to
trans-affirms previous to and on the 23d of July.
But his Noble Friend hadsaid it was a very dark
night on the zad of July*a very dark night indeed.
Now if the question had not been, whether G orern-
!tient were prepared, but whether their preparatioos:
were well executed that night, the dafkness of the
-night; or the-difficulties of wind and; weather, would
be an excuse as far as it would go; but although
the darkness of the, night prevented • Ministers
from seeing, iecoulebnot .have prevented them from
fore:teeing. iele did not see why the-datleness of that
night should have made Ministers blind previous to
that time, and for a great• while, at least a week
previous to that -time ; and- he could not help ob-
serving further, that- if the darkness was so great
that it was impossible to know what passed that
night, yet his Noble Friend had stated that the
number of Rebels in the street that night. was 80.
Hew that could be ascertained when -it was. too
dark to set any thing, was beyond his comprehenSion.
The effect of this darkness was singular—it made
men blind before it happened,and enabled them to see
during its continuance. But in point of fad he would
ask, whether the Insurrection was so contemptible as
had been stated, and•made only by a contemptible mob
in Dublin ? He apprehended not ; there was an High
Au• hority, an HighlVlember: of the Irish Govern-
ment, which stated it to be an Insurredion of
whole Classes of Rebels, by which Authority
,(that,
of theLoid Chancellor of Ireland, as we understood),
it wa's made an imputation against three-fourths of
the People of Ireland, that they had chosen and
Furnished their quota of these Rebels ;—that was,
that three-fourths of the People of Ireland had fur.
niched their quota of eighty men, since that was the
Whule number, according to the statement of his
Noble Friend. All the Catholics were by that
'same High Authority implicated in this Rebellion,
and Thad their. share of the guilt imputed to them.—
Mr. CANNING said, that the Document to which
'he was now referring he had read with shame and
,iodignation, more than he had felt at any other he
-had seen in the whole course of that unfortunate mat-
.ter altogether. His Noble Friend had tried to throw
"oblivion over former differences in that distraded
-Count-ry. . Ministers,• indeed, ought •to take care,
-as much as in them lay,, that
.no ancient differences
,should he revived; that noflames.of,old animosities
-should he re-kindled : if,that, was;the policy, as he
was sure it was - the- duty of Government, ill
had that end been endeavoured to be accomplished.
'Good Gud 1 .that in the . loth century there should
be found a man of great talents, fitted for great good
in a State;. bf great learning too, but that which he
tied li"ely'disPlayeda• he- 'could almost have wished
that nob Ody had..it now, for he had hoped it had
been buried at least a century-ago ;—that . this learn.'
ed person should fill the office of a great Legislator,
•andethe highest as,- a legal Magistrate, and that he.
should be appointed to preside in the place where
that antiquated doarine could do effedual mischief.,
He, did not say it was' a 'fault, but it certainly
was, a great misfortune that, such oerson,
with such , sentiment*,- should be placed in
such a station. He could 'not think it likely that
Ireland should be tranquil. 'He could not think it
likely that these pidures of quietness, contentment,
and happiness, which had been so gratuitously af-
forded. to the liouie, and so diligently laid before
it, that the Rebellion was at an end for ever—that
the principle, on which it was fomented was de-
stroyed--that Ireland was, by' the rooting out of
prejudices, become one body of harmony in'tetbpee
and united in objet : He could entertain no hopes
of_this_nature, if the policy Ans. to he that which
he had just alluded to. He was not bringing that
torwhich this policy related, now before the House :
He •iioulcl give Grivernmeot credit •for -their inten-
tion to do away all animosity in Ireland ; but when
he saw a 'Minister of the-G-overnment there, the
highesrin legal authority, he did not say that this
was to be considered; 'nor did he state it as a fire.
brand which threatened the Country with destruc.
tion, but he did state, that great Officer cis eejoying
the full confidence and 'a great portion of the power
of GoVertimerit, and whether he was the intended
vehicle of publishing such sentiments as those of
Government, he did not know, yet ,it had all the
effed'of design, and he could not help looking upon
the publication of such-sentiments a's conveying 'to
the Public the animus of Government. Whether
these sentiments were -really the sentiments of the
Government, or no, he would. not pretend, to sayi
but the grearCharader ti; which he had alluded was
a Member of the Irish Government, and the Go-
vernment in which such a mind predominated—that
was to say, a mind governed by such principles as
had been published by that great Person, had great
influence, where such a spirit presided; and' where
such a spirit ruled, and such opinions were ale-
rished, the Government, influenced by it, he
was sure, could not be conciliating, nor agree-
able, nor could hold forth any prosped of com-
fort, to say nothing of happiness,. to the Irish
people ; a Government which permitted itself
to cherish such sentiments, discovered an animus
that afforded no comfort to those by whom it was
governed ; it was an imprudent Government, and
very ill adapted for even the safety of the Public.
Mr. CANN INC then went over the manner it, which
the affairs of Ireland had beer., as he contended,
negletted preview to and on the 23d Of July.' He
ahledged that the negligence of Government was so
zreat as not to keep on their stations the must

.portant Offiz'ets of state proriens to Insurrec-
tion. Mr." ,WICKRAM, a Gcntieman.who'frorn his
station and talents. might have:rendered-essential
service, to Irelarrd at the ti-ne of -4.nsurre4ion,
had nqt been desired to remlin_on.bis post., but
_was..
.on an excursion of pleasure, and qtually in York-
Olire, when the first intelligence reached, him of the
•Inaurreftion in Ireland ; but, however, this Gentle_
'man was absolved• entirely from blame upon this
occasion ; that only made the. accusation the more
'weighty on the few who ought to bear it, and no
considelation of. the weight of personal responsibi-
lity on any body .should !induce the House to negleet
its duty, which he apprehended it would do if it de-
clined entering-into this Inquiry. ile saw no in-
convenience likely to arise -from, this..inyestigation
tha t' was to.h7. put into the scale and weighed against
the public, benefit likely to result from it. He had
great esteem* for his Noble Friend, and. an high
!opinion of his. talents and. abilties, but upon this
occasion he was so entirely dissatisfied with his
arguments that he should vote for the present

Motion.
Mr. ARcIIDALE, opposed the Motion, and, de.
fended the Irish Government : he ,;treated the In.
surredion as
.a thing not at all probable to have
happened as it did, although there.was in it nothing
extraordinary, except the, regretted death of the
venerable Chief Justice--that was a foul murder,
but yet foul as it was, there was no necessity to
exaggerate the account of circumstances which ac-
companied it, and which he apprehended to he done
for the pUrpOse olattaching blame to Ministers. If
this Debate took the turn he wished it to.take, it
might be of advantage to the Empire. He saw no
reason for .blamiog Government for not foreseeing
what had happened, for nobody could have guessed
at it beforehand ; 'neither was it formidable when
it did happen, with the exception of the death of
Lord Kilwarden, which gave a colouring to the
whole transaaion which would otherwise have been;
but the- contemptible effort of a few deluded men,
half armed and half drunk. There was nothing in this
case to make it a fit subject for the inquiry of a
Committee of,the whole House.- He considered the
Riots in this Metropolis, in June 1780 infinitely
more serious and formidable than the. Insurrectionr
in Dublin on -the z.3d of July last ; and yet although
the Parliament:of this Country was then sitting, 'no
Committee of the whole House „was voted to take
the subject into consideration. 'He justified what
he had said on a former occasion, relative to the
general disposition of the People, of Ireland, whielt
,was, that if the Enemy should land there, all the
good illojeCis would bury all differences of opinion,
fur the purpostofopposing that Enemy ; and all the
Jacobins wouldbe against him from disappointment.
regard to what had been said, upon the doc.
trine lately published in Ireland-, there was no doubt
that Ileowas a great and eminent character, and in
the Court of Chancery his authority, was indisputable ;
but it was not the highest in Government, in- point
of Politics, and be was of opinion that Government
was not responsible for the opinions of legal charace
ters, further" than they treated of legal subjects ;
they, were of no weight with him upon political
subjects, nor had he any difficulty in saying, that in
his opinion judicial charaCters never ought to have
been blended with politicai ones. .For although
they were justly eminent fur their judicial decisions,
they were seldom very estimable for their po,
litical sentiments. Judicial charaChrs were in their
sphere while they administered justice and dispens-
ed equity ; but they were generally out ef their
element, when they endeavoured to mix their sen-
timents of politics iij Executive Government.
Mr. CANNING explained.
Mr. DAWSJN, in a speech of considerable
length, defended the Government of Ireland, of the
propriety of whose proceedings he took the silence
of all the Irish Members to. be conclusive evidence,
for he did not know that- the diffidence of his Coun-
trymen was,ao proverbial that they could not mus-
ter up confidence enough to say that they were dis-
satisfied when they. had serious reason to complain.
They were, however, as far: as complaint, against
their Government was to be considered, absolotely
silent. He objected to this Motion on two grounds :
first, if it was. intended as a measure to affect the
whole Administration of both.. Countries, it was
unfair, because it was indiredt and came in as it
were sideways,;or by side—wind ;
.whereas it ought
to be avowed at once, that Members-might be really
acquainted ,with the true object : otherwise it would,
be. attacking. the Administration. of England in the
name of the people of Ireland, an use to which the
people of that Country would not consent to lend
,themsel v es. If it was merely ;an attack on the
Administration-, of Ireland, he was of "opinion
there. was no just, foundation for,it ; on the -coo.
trary, he thought that . the AdMioistration of
Lord klaotowtcka (which be praised very high-,
ly), was of great advantage to Ireland, acrd
beneficial to the whole Empire. He did
,not see.
any reason whatever for blaming the Irish Admi-
nistration for not foreseeirig-:the Josurrection in
Dublin. He admitted that Administration was sure
prized on that occasion. He defended them on the
ground of that Insurredion being a surprize on
them. It, was not only a surprize on. Administra-
tion, but it was a suryrize on the Rebels them-
selves. Administration could .not ..foresee it ; the
Rebels did not foresee it until Within a few hours of
its happening : it broke out on the sudden, long
before it was at first intended it should have broken
out : , it was.a premature birth of Insorrediona—an
abortion of a Rebellion, which no Doter could
be prepared to deliver. fle could not help lay.
ing great stress on the circumstance., that al.
though the mismanagement of the Irish Governtnent
was supposed to he so great upon this occasion„ yet
that out of the too Members who have the honour
to represent Ireland,
.not one of them (except the
Right Hon. Gentleman Mr. CANN ING), who by his
speech he discovered to be his Countryman, had so
much as uttered one syllable of complaint. This
to him was .really conclusive evidence there was no
substantial foundation for the complaints which had
been exhibited. If there had been an Insurrection
in Wolverhampton, the sentiments of the Honour—
able Baronet would have, and deservedly, more
v. eight than all those of the Irish Members toge-
ther. He claimed something of the bilflle sort of
principle
.ort, behalf of his Countrymen, on a question
so peculiarly interesting to them. He thought that