The Sun.
London, England, 1867-08-10 00:00:00

I 'DIAL PARLI ANENT

'1- HOUSE OF LORDS—LAST EVENING.
The LORD Cain -molt took his seat on the woolsack at
five o'clock.

THE REFORM BILL.
The Earl of DERBY said that as the House of Commons
had disagreed with the amendments their lordships had
made in the clauses of the Reform Bill, and had trans-
mitted their reasons to the house for their consideration,
he should move that they be discussed on Monday next,
on which occasion he should be prepared to make known
to their lordships the course her Majesty's Government
thought it expedient the house should adopt.
POSTAL ARRANGEMENTS.
The Duke of BUCKINGHAM stated that he was
happy to lay before the house a convention with the
United States, greatly reducing the expense of
postage to that country. The postage of a letter
now was is., it would be reduced to 6d.; and whereas
now the postage to Canada through the United States
was ls., it would bo reduced to Bd. The United
States in this arrangement had shown the greatest
cordiality. While on the subject he should like to
mention that the postal communication with India
and China would be greatly facilitated, and that
on the advice of the committee, who had long considered
the matter, they had agreed to mike a mail to Bombay

and thence to Calcutta and Madras. As an erroneous im-,
pression had gained ground that the Government were
about to place the postal regulations in foreign hands he
took tho present opportunity of contradicting it, an a
stated that they had no intention wha'ever to do so, and
were prepared to adopt a scheme approved by gent.llmen
on the opposite side of the house.
PARLIAMENTARY REPORTERS.
The Marquis of WESTMEATII withdrew his notice of
motion for a committee to inquire into the arrangements
for reporting the speeches in the House of Lords, but re-
peated his complaint that he was not fully or fairly re-
ported, and that he had been spoken of in a most disre-
spectful manner by one of the reporters.
Lord DERBY was glad the motion was not pressed, and
stated, amid the cheers of their lordships, that he thought
they might congratulate themselves on the wonderful ac-
curacy, correctness, and fairness with which their debates
were reported. He had never seen the slightest indication
of partiality in reporting, and thought they would have
no cause to felicitate themselves if the reporters were to
take down and give to the world their speeches in a
verbatim form, for they would then scarcely stand
the test of critical examination. He did not for the moment
believe there was any combination to suppress Lord
Westmeath's speeches, and still less that it had been con-
cocted on• account of the number of " Jesuits" connected
with the press; the idea was entirely confined to the mind
of Lord Westmeath. He condemned as most improper the
language which it was alleged a reporter had used in
speaking of kLord Westmeath, but thought his lordship
owed no thanks to the confidential friend-who had in-

formed him of it.
In moving the second reading of the Factory Acts Ex-
tension Bill, Lord DEVON generally roviewed the whole
subject, and pointed out the value of the clauses in the
new bill, most especially thlt one which made its pro-
visions applicable to any warehouse or place of business
where 50 or more persons were employed. He was sure
their lordships would be satisfied of the necessity of this
bill when he informed them that the number of women
and children on whom it would confer great moral and
physical benefits exceeded a million and a half.
Lord SHAFTESBURY expressed his deep gratitude to
her Majesty's Government for having introduced this mea-
sure, and pointed out with groat force the evils which it
would either amend or put a stop to. He trusted that, late
as it was in the Session, the bill would be carried, for
passing it would carry comfort and peace to the hearts of
many thousands.
Lord HABROWBY, with a few words of warm eulogy
on Lord Shaftesbury's exertions in this good cause, sup-
ported the second reading, which was carried nem. con.
In Committee on the Admiralty Court (Ireland) Bill a
discussion arose on clause 5, directing the removal on his
full salary on the present Judge of the Admiralty Court in
Ireland. This was strongly opposed by Lord Cranworth
and the Marquis of Clanricarde, and as strongly supported
by the Lord Chancellor. The discussion was pressed to
a division, when there were,—
For the clause 25
Against it 5
Majority
The clause was therefore agreed to ; as were the other
clauses, and the bill passed through committee.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the house adjourned at 25 minutes past 7 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—LAST EVENING.
The SPEAKER took the chair at 2 o'clock.
TUE REFORM BILL.
Sir R. PALMER brought up the report of the commit-
tee appointed last night to frame the reasons for disagree-
ing with certain amendments by their lordships to the Bill
for the Amendment or the Representation of the People.
The "Reasons" were read at length by tho Clerk at
the table, and ordered to bo transmittel to the House of
Peers for their lordships' consideration.

CHURCH RATES.
Mr. GLADSTONE gave notice that next session ho
should move for leave to introduce a bill to abolish the

payment of compulsory Church-rates.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER appealed to
several hoe. members who had notices of motion standing
on the piper on the motion for going into committee of
supply. The right hon. gentleman said it was of the
highest importance that the remaining votes in supply
should be taken, and therefore he hoped hon. members
would not persevere that day and bring forward the sub-

jects standing in their names.
Mr. FAWCETT said he had a notice to the effect that
it would be undesirable for the Government to advise her
Majesty to grant a now charter to any new university
in Ireland without first consulting Parliament. If the
right hon. gentleman would give him an assurance to that

effect he would gladly give way.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having
given the required promise, the hon. member said he
should not bring forward the motion of which he had

given notice.
The other hon. members Laving consented to postpone
the motions that stood in their names the amendments
for the Church Temporalities Orders (Ireland) Validation
were considered, agreed to, and the bill lead a third time.
The same course having been adopted with respect to the
Railway Companies (Ireland) Advances and Merchant
Shipping Bill, the honsewent into Committee of Supply.

5 ear

DEPARTMENT OF SCIENCE AND ART.
On the vote of £162,387, to complete the sum of
£206,387, to defray the expenses of the Science and Art
Department of the United Kingdom being proposed, a
desultory discussion arose, which terminated by the vote
being agreed to.
The next vote proposed was £5,711 to complete the
sum of £165,700 for the London University. The vote
was agreed to without discussion.
The remainder of the sitting was occupied in disposing
of the votes in supplementary civil service estimates.
At the evening sitting the house went again into a com-
mittee of supply.
On a supplementary Civil Service vote of £25,000 for
tho entertainment of the Sultan and the Viceroy, Mr.
Ayrton took objection to the form of the vote, maintaining
that it wore the appearance of an irregular addition to the
Civil List—to which the Chancellor of the Exchequer
(supported by Sir E. Palmer) replied that this had nothing
to do with the Civil List, and that the visit being a na-
tional ono a special vote was necessary; and Lord Elcho
drew attention to the inconveniences and the loss of
national credit resulting from the want of a suitable resi-
dence in which distinguished visitors could be entertained.
A vote of £15,000 for purchases at the Paris Exhibition
was agreed to, Mr. Hunt explaining that it was to be saved
out of the £116,000 vcted for the expenses of the British
Commission.
The committee then took the vote for Irish Education,
the debate on which was adjourned on Monday last.
Sir J. GRAY went at some length into the statistics of
Irish education to show that the mixed system had not
succeeded, and contending that the model schools were
used for purposes of proselytism, and that children were
educated there whose parents ware •able to• pay- for them
etlewhere, moved to strike out the £23,500 expended on
them.

Similar views were expressed by Mr. P. Urquhart, Sir
G. Bowyer, and The O'Couor Don, who, however, depre-
cated the proposed reduction of the vote, on the ground
that the whole subject was to be inquired into by a Royal

Commission.
Mr. F. POWELL expressed his regret that sours com-
prehensive scheme of education could not bo &wised' which
might be imparted to children of all denominations.
Lord C. HAMILTON made some strong remarks on
what he characterised as the ludicrous misstatements of
Sir J. Gray and others, and, after some observations front
Mr. Whalley,
Lord NAAS brought the discussion to a close by ex-
lainino that the Commission would be limited t 9 inquiring,
P into primary education, and expressing a confident autici-
pation that its result would be to sugE,,est alterations which
would make the Bystom more universally acceptable ; end,
Sir J. Gray's motion having been withdrawn,
The vote was agreed to, as was also a vote for the
salaries of the Irish Education Commissioners' Office, which
concluded the business of Committee of Supply for the