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lii thought the best thing for the Minister would be to
call into council all the distinguished artists, whether they
joined in the competition or not. His noble friend would
do well to put aside his present design, and ask the artists
of this and foreign countries who had or had not succeeded
to send their designs, not with a view of obtaining prises
or any such regulations. Under these circumstances,
there was nothing to injure the pride of any distinguished
man. It would be far better to have no work at all than
have a work which was not worthy of the nation. They
had better say distinctly that they had fotnd no one max
who could erect such a work that was worthy the nation,
than have a statue which was not worthy of the nation.
Mr. MACARTHY remarked that there was no instance
' of a man on horseback having been allowed to enter a
tem pie.

Mr. WORTLEY said he understood that under no nit,
cutnstances would the authorities of St. Paul's allow a
figure of a person on horseback to be erected in St. Paul's.
Ho did not undervalue Mr. Penrose, but he did not think
he was so well known that the public would like to have
the work committed to him and Mr. Stephens. Through•
out this debate he had beau represented as recommending
a second limited competition. He recommended no such
thing. What he recommended was that they should, as
his hon. friend the member for Pontefract said, set aside
all that had taken place at the competition, which had
utterly failed in producing any worthy design, but that
they should excite emulation by employing the principal
artists who were known in Europe to send in designs,
making it certain that the best design would be adopted,
and then he had the best reason for believing that there
was not one of them who would not produce a design.
The house then dividsd—
For the m0ti0n..........,....,.... 26
Against it... 4l
Majority
SUBALTERNS OF THE ARMY.
Colonel FREESTUN then moved that an humble ad-
dress be presented to her Majey, praying that she will be
graciously pleased to take into consideration the unfavour-
able position of the subalterns of the army with a view
of affording them relief. The expenses to which subalterns
were put amounted to 1571. a year, while their pay was
only 951. Other expenses were thrown upon them by re•
moral from place to place. He would suggest that an
addition of ls. 6d. a day should be made to the pay of the
subalterns, which would only entail an increased expense
of 8 ,000/. a year.
Mr. P. O'BRIEN seconded the motion.
Sir W. FRASER said the motion met with his entire
concurrence. He thought that great relief might be afforded
to subalterns by the Government taking upon itself the
furnishing of their rooms, which might be done at a com•
paratively small cost. He considered, too, that subalterns
ought not to be called upon to subscribe to the regimental
bands. Fe regarded the mess as a valuable institution, as
tending to promote a good feeling amongst brother officers,
and ha thought that their pay ought to be such as to enable
th,:ln t,, afford the expense. At the same time he suggested
that it would be better to bring forward the subject on
another and more favourable occasion. (Hear, hear.)
Sir F. SMITH moved the adjournment of the debate.
Mr. WESI'IIEAD and Sir W. CODRINGTON expressed
their opinion that the pay of subalterns was ludicrously
inadequate._

General PEEL trusted the gallant colonel would 000
that at this period of the session it was impossible to en•
tertain the subject, and that he would bring forward the
subject again early next session. (Hear, hear.)
Colonel FREESTUN then withdrew his motion.
EQUITABLE COUNCILS OF CONCILIATION.
Mr. MACKINNON obtained leave to bring in a bill 011
this subject.
The house adjourned at twenty minutes to 1 till 4 o'clock
on Thursday.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—JuLY 27.
GOVERNMENT OF INDIA (No. 3) BILL.
Order for consideration of Lords' amel dments read. Amen&
went, page 9, at the end of clause 27, read a second time
—Amendment proposed, to insert after the words " cost'
municated to," the words " a committee consisting Of.
four :"—Question, "That those words be there inserted,'"
Put, and negatived :—Motion made, and question put:
" That this house doth agree with the Lords in the said
amendment ;" The house divided; Ayes 38, Noes 106.

AYES-38.
Adeane, 11. Greene, John Russell, Lord J.
Anderson, Sir J. Gregson, Samuel Smith, A.
Berkeley, Hen. 11, Grenfell, Charles W. Sykes, Colonel
Bake, J. Griffith, C. Thompson, General
Bonham-Carter, J. Knatetibull-Huguessen Thornely, T.
Clay, James Mangles, R. D. Verney, Sir H.
Coningham, W. Melgund, Lord White, James
Cox, W. Nisbet, R. P. Williams, W.
Dunbar, Sir W. 'Pigott, F. Willoughby, J.
Dunlop, A. Puller, Christopher Wilson, J.
East, Sir J. Rawlinson, Sir H.
Elphinstone, Sir J. Rich, H. TELLERS.
Elton, Sir A. H. Ridley, George Ayrton, A.
Forster, Charles Roupell, W. Bowyer, G.

NOES-106.
Arbuthnott, Gen. H. Gilpin, C. Paklngton, Sir J.
Bagshaw, Robert Graham, Sir J. Palmerston, viscount
Bailey, C. Greer, Samuel Patten, Col,
Saline, 11. Grogan, Edward Peel, Gen.
Bernard, W. Gurdon, Brampton Pilkington, J.
Bass, M. Hall, General John Pritchard, J.
Beach, W. Hamilton, Lord Claud Scott, Major
Iteecroit, G. Hamilton, U. A. Sibthorp, Major
Blakemore, T. Hankey, T. Smith, V.
Boldero, Col. IL G. Hardcastle, Joseph Smith, Sir F.
Brady, J. Hardy, G. Spooner, R.
Bridges, Sir B. Hatchell, John Stanhope, J.
Bruce, (I. A. Hope, Alexander Stanley, Lord
Buchanan, Walter Hotham, Lord Stapleton, John
Burghley, Lord Hume, W. Stuart, Colonel
Butler, .ir J. Jervoise, Sir J. Sullivan, Michael
Butler, C. S. Johnstone, H. B. Turner, J. A.
Cairns, IL Kellj, Sir F. Vance, John
Campbell, R. Kinnaird, A. Vansittart, W.
Cecil, Lord .R, Knight, F. Verner, Sir W.
•
Clack, J. Knox, Col. B. W. Villiers, C.
Codriugton, Gen. Langton, H. G. Walcott, Admiral.
Colebrooke, Sir E. Lennox, Lord H. G. Walpole. S.
Collins, T. Lovaine, Lord Warren, S.
Cooper, E. J . Lowther, Col. H. C. Watkins, Col.
Corry, H. T. L. Lygon, Hon. F. Westhead, .reSiltla
Cross, H. A. Lytton, Sir E. Whiteside, J.
Davie, Sir H. R. F. Macartney, George Whitmore. H.
Disraeli, B. Manners, Lord J. Willcox. B.
Duff, M. Maxwell, J. IVillyams, E.
Evans, Sir De Lacy Mills, Arthur Yorke, F.
Far.juhar, Sir AL Naas, Lord Young, A.
Fitzgerald, W. R. S. Newark, Viscount
Forrester, Col. Newport, Viscount TELLERS.
Freestun, Colonel Norreys, Sir D.
Gard, R. Northcote, Sir S. Jolliffe, Sir W.
Garnett, William O'Brien, P. Taylor, Colonel

Amendment in page 14, line 23, read a second time :—Queg'
tiou put, "That this house doth agree with the Lords 10
tho said amendment :"—The house divided; Ayes 60,
Noes 73.

AYES— GO.
A dderley, C. Hamilton, Lord C. Patten, Col. W.
Bailey, C. Hamilton, G. A. Peel, Gen.
Braille, H. Hardy, G. • Rolt, J.
Bernard, Col. Hope, A. Sibthorp, Major
Beach, W. Hotham, Lord Smith, Sir F.
Beecroft, G. Hume, W. Spooner, R.
Blakemore, T. Kelly, Sir F. Stanhope, J.
Boldero, Col. H. G. Knox, Col. B. W. Stanley, Lord
Bridges, Sir B. Lennox, Lord H. Stirling, William
Burghley, Lord Lovaine, Lord Sturt, Col.
Cairns, H. Lygon, Hon. F. Vansittart. W.
Codrington, General Lytton, Sir G. Verner, Sir W.
Corry; H. T. L. Macartney, G. . Walcott, Admiral
Cubitt, W. Malhis, R. Walpole, S.
Disraeli, B. Manners, Lord J. Warren, 8.
East, Sir J. Milnes, M. Whiteside, I.
Farquhar, Sir M. Naas, Lord Whitmore, H.
Fitzgerald, W. R. S. Newport, Viscount Willoughby, J.
Forester, Col. North, Col. J. TELLERS.
Gard, R. North cote, Sir S. Jolliffe, Sir W.
Gaskell, J. Paking•ton, Sir J. Taylor, Col.

NOES-73,
Adeane, 11. Garnett, W. Ridley, G.
Akroyd, E. Gilpin, Charles Russell, Lord I.
Baines, Rt. Hon. M. Graham, Sir J. Schneider, H.
Bass, 51. Greene, J. Saelley, Sir J,
Bethell, Sir R. Greer, S. Smith, R. V.
Blake, J. Gregson, S. Smith, A.
Buckley, Gen. Griffith, C. Somerville, Sir W.
Butler, C. Hankey, T. Stapleton, J.
Calcult, 31. Hatchell, J. Sykes, Col.
Campbell, R. Kinnaird, A. Thompson, Gen.
Clifford, Csl. Luce, T. Thornely,:T.
Cobbett, J. M. 3lacarthy, A. 'i turner, J. C.
Coke, W. Mangles, R. Vance, J.
Colebroke, Sir T. Meilllgsu,
Andr,thiw Viscount
vViciruenerys:c.Sir R.
Collins, C. Mills,
Coningham, W. Moffatt, G. Westhead, J.
Cowper, W. F. Morris, D. White, J.
Cos, William Nisbet, Robert Williams, W.
Craufurd, E. H.J. Norreys, Sir D. Williams, Sir W
CI co, K. O'Brien, P. Wilson, J.
Davie, Sir H. R. F. Paget, C. Young, A.
Dodson, J. Pigott, F.
Dunbar, Sir W. Pilkington, J. MM.%
Elton, Sir A. Pulle , C.
Evans, Sir De Lacy Rawliuson, Sir H. Forster, C.
Frcestun, Col. Rich, FF. Knatchbull-Thigeoo2

SWEARING IN OF THE NEW CITY CHAMBEELAISI
Yesterday the Lord Mayor presided over a Court °
Aldermen, held at Guildhall, when it was announced t 0
the court, by the proper officers, that the sureties for
the bon, s in the case of the newly elected City Chatty
otriain were found to be good and sufficient, and Mri
Scott was soon afterwards introduced into court and
sworn into office in the usual form. There was no other
bmi. axe f importance.

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BIRTHS.
COLLIER—On the 25th inst., at Anapthill-square, the wit*
of John Pycroft Collier, Esq., of a son.
DE BYLANDT—On the 24th inst., at 33, Brompton-orer
cent, the Countess Alfred de Bylandt, of a son.
PORTSMOUTH—On the 24th inst., at Hurstbourneparl4
the Countess of Portsmouth, of a daughter.
PAST lIR—On the 27th inst., at Hill Farm, Long Dittooo
Mrs. Henry Pasteur, of a daughter.

MARRIAGES.
BROMLHEAD —LAKE— On the 24th Kist:, at St. Panel°
Church, Jonathan Cr awford Bromehead, of Old Broad.'
street, and of Highgate, Esq., to Ellen, second datigh'
ter of the late John Lake, Esq., of Lincoln's-inn.
STRIDE DoitEiri- -On the2lst inst.' atSt. Mathias Chureff
Stoke Newington, W. S. Stride, Esq., of West Smith'
field, to Priscilla, only daughter of the late John Dereof
E-q., of Kingston, Oxon.
DEATHS.
BROWN—On the 26th inst., at Cookham Deane, Berke'
Ann,, wife of James D. Brown, aged 43.
CHANCELLOR —On the 23th inst., at Boston, Lincolnshire:.
Charles Chancellor, eldest son of Thomas Chancellor, 0
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ONSLOW—On the 2;th May, at Madras, Adolphus 13571:
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G. W. Onslow, MaLirJs Artillery, aged 26.
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