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London, England, 1858-06-30 00:00:00

member of the confederation, he would not have made this
motion. (Hear, hear, and oh, oh.)
Mr. CHICHESTER. FORTESCUE said a few words in
explanation of the appointment of the sessional Crown
prosecutor.
Lord PALMER 'TON could not allow the debate to
close without expressing the pain he felt at this apparent
revival of animosities connected with a state of things
which they had hoped had altogether ceased, or was fast
dying out. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. and learned
gentleman had stated that Mr. Cecil Moore) had resigned
the prominent office he fornierly hold in •
the association in
question, and, if he understood him correctly, they might
hope that the influence of the Government would be used
to induce those who were connected with such associations
to consider, with them, that the time was past when they
were necessary or could be justified. (Hear.) If the house
should be of opinion that from that intimation of the right
hon. and learned gentleman there was a prospect that those
ancient feuds and differences which in times past had
caused so much disturbance and injury, and had so mate-
rially interfered with the progress and prosperity of Ire-
land, would, so far as the influence of the Government was
concerned, be discouraged and put an end to, he hoped
that no division would be taken upon the resolution
brought forward by his right hon. and learned friend--
(oh, ob, and cheers)—or that they would, by recording
what might be regarded as a triumph by the one party or
the other, do anything that might by possibility encourage
those differences or interfere with that haruue y which it
was to be :loped was now in course of being established.
(Cries of " withdraw, ' and "divide.")
Lord J..RITS3 ELL considered that there was more in.
volved in the discussion than the mere personal question.
Having heard the statement of the right hon. and learned
gentleman as to the opinion of Protestants and Roman
Catholics in favour of Mr. C. Moore's fitness for the office
he thought he had done right in not ac, opting that gentle-
man's resignation. With regard to what had occurred in
1836—(0h, oh)—he might mention that there bad been in
the previous year an inquiry which justified the house in
the strong proceeding it then took. He (Lord J. Russell)
endeavoured to interpose, and was fortunate enough to
induce Lord Stanley (she present Earl of Derby), the late
Sir R4Peel, and the late Mr. O'Connell, to unite in a gene-
ral resolution condemning secret societies generally--to
which Mr. O'Connell agreed, on condition that Orange
societies should be included. The committee no doubt
thought all such societies were most objectionable, as the
one necessarily encouraged the prcmotion of another of an
opposite kind to counteract its influence, and thus the
difficulties of Government were increased. Ho would ask
the right hon. gentleman the Home Secretary whether he
thought it desirable now to overturn and repudiate that
resolution of 1836 ? Was the Government or the house
prepared to say that, whether as regarded Roman Catho-
lics or Protestants, it was desirable to encourage them by
appointing to office men who were connected with exclu-
sive religious societies, which had branch societies affiliated
with them in different parts of the country? And yet if
i• they passed a simple negative of this motion such would be
the effect. (Hear.) He would not say how they might es-
cape that difficulty, but it appeared to him that it would
be more advimable if they went° adopt some plan by which
a decision might be avoided. (Hear, and oh.) It was the
interest of every government that such societies should not
exist in that, though they might have been justified in the
first instance— though they might have been called into life
by some emergency, in which, under the expectation of re-
bellion, loyal men united to defend the Crown at a period
of danger when that necessity had passed over it was most
inadvisable that they should be any longer continued in a
state of activity. (Hear) It was, on the contrary desirable that these animosities which had, so long prevailed in Ire-
land should be allowed gradually and permanently to sub-
side, and ho could not bat think that a decision on this
motion, whatever way it might be, would tend to retard
that result and have a most injurious effect. The righthonee
and learned gentleman, as he understood, expressed his
wish that such societies should no longer exist, 'but he did
not understand him to say that it would be the policy of
the government of which he was a member to discourage
them by all the means in their power.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it
was the duty of every government to discourage political
societies in Ireland whether open or aecret, and he thought
the best mode of carrying out that policy was by discourag-
ing such motions as the present. (Cheers.) In the days •
when he first came into Parham ent the chief staple of poli-
tical controversy was motion% of this kind, and he hoped
that such a course had been 'discontinued, but he had been
disappointed. IVhen the nellelord, after the answer of his
right hon. friend the Attorney-General for Ireland, rose in a
spirit of admonition and warning, and called on his right
hon. friend the Secretary of State to declare whether it was
the policy of the Government to act in contravention of
the resolution which was come to in 1836, he must be al-
lowed to say that nothing had been stated by the hon.
gentleman who had brought forward the motion, or by his
right hon. friend -which justified the opinion expressed by
the noble lord. The right hon. gentleman who brought
forward the motion had entirely failed in his case—(lond
cheers)—aed be ought not to have sought to revive suck
unhappy causes of dissol s'on without having duly inquired
into the cirueunstances of the case; and he (Mr. Disraeli)
trusted that the manner in which the remarks- of the
right hon. gentleman had been received, and the observa-
tions of his hon. friend the Attorney-General for Ireland,
in which ho entirely agreed, Could offer no encouragement
to such motions for the future. He trusted that the policy
of the Government towards Ireland would be one entirely
adapted to the changed circumstances of that country, and
when motions were brought forward, and allusions made
such as they had listened to that night, which were
adapted to circumstances very different to those
now happily existing in Ireland; and which re-
ferred to habits and customs now fortunately obsolete, he
could only say, on the part of the Government, that their
course would be adapted to the newer and happier circum-
stances of the sister kingdom, and that their policy would
be—what he hoped would always be the policy of those who
sat on those benches—just, generous, and coeciliatory;
not acknowledging any differences of creed or of party
save those which could be constitutionally expressed; and
the tenor of their policy would not be such as to justify
the recognition of such motions as this. He did not know
what were the intentions of the right hon. gentleman perhaps he would not call on the house to divide ; but be
(Mr. Disraeli) could not consent to the withdrawal of the
motion. (Hear.) •
Mr. ROEBUCK, who was met with loud cries of
"Divide," and "Question," said that he thought, the
motion was intended to be confined to one part of it ; and
if so, he should have voted for it. But it seemed that it-was
meant as a distinct censure on a particular act. Because
he was sure from the form and wording of it, that it was
meant to pass a direct censure on the right hon. gentleman
(Mr. Whiteside), be could not vote for it—(hear, hear)--
for the statement of the right hon, genqeman was a com-
plete vindication of himself—(ioud cheers) --and, believ-
ing that, he could not vote for the motion. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. J. D. FITZGERALD who was met with loud cries
of " Spoke," " Divide," and " Question," said that after
%hat had fallen from the noble lord, he felt that he ought
not to press the motion to a division. (Cheers.)
The motion was then put and negatived. (Tremendous
cheering.)

NAVIGATION (IRELAND).
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON obtained leave to bring in a bill
to extend the time for making advances towards naviga-
tion in Ireland, under the provisions of an act of the 19th
and 20th Vic., chap. CI
CORRUPT PRACICES AT ELECTIONS.
Mr. WALPOLE obtained leave to bring in a bill to
continue and amend the Corrupt Practices Prevention
Act, 1854. It wai intended to continue the present act for
a year and till the end of next session. It also amended
the act in reference to the travelling expenses of electors
and the expenses of election auditors.
LAW' (IRELAND) BILL.
The order fort he second reading of this bill was dia.
charged.

FUNED T BILL.
This bill was road a D
thirdDE time and passed.
The other orders of the day wale postponed, and the
house adjourned at twenty minutes to two.