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HOUSE OF PEERS.

MONDAY MAY 28.
MONDAY,
IN the. Appeal from the. -Exchequer Chamber;
LUCENA v; CRAUFURD and Others, Mr. P2R,,K T NE
was heard for the Appellant ; further consideration
adjourned until Wednesday se'nnight.
The Archbishop of TUAM moved the Thanks of
the House to the Lord Bishop of GLOUCESTER, for
his Sermon on the Fast on Friday last, before their
Lordships, at the Abbey Church of Westminster,
,'Grace Same was carried in the affirmative, and hie
Grace and another Noble Lord were ordered to sig..
nify the same to his Lordship.,
The Marqiiis of A oEIthORII stated, that he W;l4
requested to present a Petition 'to their Lordship's
of a Most serious and important nature, which he
did not think himself justified in offerinz to their
Lordships' consideration, without apprizing theth
of his intention. The Petition he alluded to, res
lated to the Administration of Justice, and impli_
cated. the condna of one of. His. Majesty's Ju .ge•:
in Ireland. He would, with their Lordships' concnr-
ince, bring it for Ward on Thursday next, on which
day he should move that thelsords be summoned.
Lord Gattsrvitrof presented two Petitions from
oersons having an interest in the Franchises of the
Borough of Ayles'bury; praying, that the Bill for
preventing Corruption in that Borough should pass,
and that they should be permitted by
.their Counsel
to support the same.. ,
LOrd 114 WKESBURY moved the Order of the
Day; for taking the Report on their Lordships' Con...
Terence. with the Commons, relating to the Amend..
menus .in the Volunteer Bill, into consideration.,--.
The Order being read, his Lordship stated, that,
as the Commons had agreed to a great majority,
and, in fati, to the whole of the material Athends
Ments made by their Lordships to that'Bill, in its
prigress through that HouSe, he could not suppose
that their Lordships would feel themselves under any
necessity of peremptorily insisting upon the few
Amendments that had been rejetted by the Com-
mons. Indeed, some of those Amendments which
had been made by that House, since the amended
Bill had been sent down to them by their Lordships,
were in furtherance of their Lordships' intention,
and, therefore, he presumed, would not meet with
any opposition at present: Of such a nature was the
Amendment to that Clause of the Bill which confer_
red on persons
_serving as Volunteers, exemptions
from *titular taxes. In the Bill, as originally sent
up from the other' fitrisse, the commencement of that
exemption sr., to take plasscAsons oil^Y;
Their Lordships, for onvious reasons, had alteied it
to the sth of June, and the Commons had since
thought it necessary to make a further change, aod
insert the words sth of July. There was another
Amendment of precisely the same tenor, to which
he presumed as little objeEtion could apply. With
regard to that part of the Bill which, in the con..
ception of certain Noble Lords, went to subjea
Commanders of Volunteer Corps, receiving cer-
tain issues from the Exchequer, to be considered
as Public Accomptants, he thought that it would
not be worth while to retard, on that account,
the passing of the present Bill, but that, at a
future period, a Substaative Bill may be intro.
duced to explain and settle the Law as to that par..
ticular point.
Lord GRENVILLE professed himself extremely
concerned to have occasion to trouble their Lord-
ships, for he had been sangtiine in his expetiation,
that the present Bill would never have again. ap.
peared on their Lordships' Table. He had enter..
rained strong hopes,. that something more efficient
would have been substituted in its place; for with.
regard to the present Bill, he must express his opi-
nion, that it never would produce any thing hut a
plentiful harvest of disagreement, confusion, and dis.
order. Indeed, so perfettly convinced was he of the
absurdity and inefficacy of it, that if he had the
means of ascertaining when Parliament was likely
to rise, he should consider it as his duty to move,
that the consideration of the Report should be de..
ferred to a distant day, to a day when it was not
probable _their Lordships would be sitting to re-
ceive it.
.The question was then separately put on the
Amendments made by the Commons, and carried in
the affirmative.

A discussion of considerable length, in which
Lord GRENVILLE, Earls Ft-rzw zwArs,s, and CAR.
LISLE, spike in support of the necessity of insist.
ing upon the Amendments made to the Bill by their
Lordships, and Lords HAWKESBURY, HARROWST,
MULGRAVE, and the Duke of IVlorrraoss against
it : it was decided, on severally putting. the goes:
Lion, that the Amendments should not be insisted on.
On the Clause, allowing Commanding Officers to
demand the Clothes, Arms, and Accoutrements of
any Volunteer to be delivered up into their pos-
session, into which the Lords had introduced an
Amendment, explanaroty of such possession being
only in trust for His MAJESTY, for any Subscrip.
tion, Society, or for any Individual by whom the
same might have been furnished) which Amendment
was dissented from by the Commons, a pretty long
and warm conversation ensued.
Lard GtU NLL E opposed it, in a long anti able
Speech, priricipally on the ground of its injustice,
as giving authority to one man to take away the
property of another. He trusted, chat no considera.
tion of convenience could ever dispose their Lord..
ships to sanaion so monstrous a proposition,. He
was aware, that it would be argued, that by rejed-
ing that particular Clause, Noble Lords hazarded
the loss•of the Bill. He did not see any-reasonable
grounds fur apprehension on that head, as another •
Bil:, precisely the same with that on their Lord.

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ships' Table, in every particular, except that highly
objetaionable Clause, could be passed through the
other House in the short space of two days, and
might on the third he submitted to their Lordships,
in a form to which there could be no objeCtion.
Ile took shame to himself for not having perceived
at first the-manifest injustice of that Clause ; and it
twist be in thk: recoliettion of their Lordships, that
when the Amendment, obviating that injustice, had
been first propoSed by a Noble Lord, whorl-) he did
c.ot now see in his place, that it was unanitno,Bly
3CCedicil to ; he trusted that their Lordships would,
in so,,;.port of their con.sisteney, and the sacred prin.
ciples of justice, ntaintain and defend the Amend-,
meat so proposed and adopted.
The Earl of CARLISLE was anxious to receive
from Ministers some explanation respeaing the ope-
ration of that Clause. He himself had clothed a Vo.
lohteer Corps, and supplied them with every thing
trit arms, which he could not procure., and which
Government had furnished. He should think him.
sett' rather hardly.dealt with, if this Clause should
be found to authorize a Commanding Officer to take
those clothes-and appointments from a set of men
whom he knew and could confide in, to place them
upon the backs of persons whose faces he had never
seen. If this particular Clause invested any person
with a power of s.) extraordinary a latitude, it was
necessary that it should be either done away, or that
it sh old be distinctly signified to the Country, and
th it nothing should be left to inference or implica.
tion.

The LORD CHANCELLOR found himself under
the necessity, in consequence of some observations
that fell from the Noble Lord who spoke last but
one, to state his ideas of the operation of the Clause.
He Cottl not agree with that Noble Lord that it
contained any sort of injustice. The Clause vested
the I,roperiy of those clothes and accoutrements in
the Commanding Officer only "pro tempore" and in
trust. Whenever they should be claimed by the
persons proving to have a legal right to them, such
as to the King, in some instances, or to Subscribers,
the Officer was hound, on demand being made of the
same, to give them up, under the penalty of to!.
by this-very Bill. He would, moreover, be subject
to an action of Troyer ar common law, and would,
upon retuAl, have damages a warded against him.
He did not think that, subjed to such process, one
man in a hundred would thiole it prudent to refuse
surrendering property of •which he was barely in
trust tOr others. His Lordship saw much inconve-
nience likely to result from insisting on the Amend-
ment, amid no probable injustice, in his opinion,
could be derived from the Clause passing in its pre_
bell( shape.
Lord AbCKLAND (the Mover of the Amend-
ment) said, th.st he by no means concurred in the
reasons assigned by the Commons for rejecting se.
veral of the Amendments proposed and adopted by
their Lordships. With regard to the present Amend-
atrit, which he had some very natural reasons to
be partial to, he did not think it advisable to per_
severe in it. He could not exped to derive much
benefit from a free Conference with the Commons,
as was proposed by a Noble Lord (GREwv
o„,s. ~,hicsh they hart assigneo ror
:7:tir dissenting from many of the Amendments.—
He did not exped to convince them; and therefore,
not wishing to risk the loss of the Bill, he. would
not perseVere n that Amendment which he had the
honour first to propose, and which had been re-
jeCted by the other House.
Lords MuLGRAvE and HARROWBY also main_
caused that there was no necessity for the Amend-
ment, as the Clause did not invest Commanders
with the property of the clothes, &c. but merely
with the right to demand delivery of them.
Earl FITZWILLIAM could not figure how it
was possible, when the Journals of the two Houses
of Parliament were consulted, to put such an inter-
pretation on the Clause. It would he seen that the
Clause, as it originally stood, warranted the inter-
pretation which the Noble Lord (GRENVILLE) and
others, had put on it. They had accordingly, remov-
ed that idea, and had prevented, by the alteration
which they had suggested, any chance of misconcep-
tion. The Commons, however, had dissented from
that Amendment, which unquestionably they would
not have done, had they viewed the original Clause
in the same light as Noble Lords would represent,
so that the interpretation first put on the Clatiae,
must be confirm td rather than removed.
Lord GRENVILLe, when the Question was put,
insisted on a Div ision, when the. numbers were,
Contents 23
Non-Contents 8

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' iVl..jority
His Lnra.liip expressed his hopes, that His Ma-
jesty's Ministers would, agreeably to the promise
held forth by the NobIeSECRETARY Of STATE,
bring in a Bill to exempt Commanding Officers from
iocmiveoience of being subject to the Law re-
lating to Public Accomptants.
Tue remaining Amendments being agreed to, a
Message was ordered to be sent to the Commons,
to signify the same, and that their Lordships had
not instated on their Amendments. The Bills on
the Table mostly of a Private nature) were passed
their respedive stages.
Adjourned to Wednesday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

MONDAY, MAY 28.

ON the Motion of the MASTER of the ROLLS,
l'haliks of the House were given to the Rev.
jActc,oN, Canon of Christ Church College,
Oxford, for his excellent Sermon preached before the
House on Friday last, the day appointed for a Ge-
,ler.ll Fast, in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster.

Lord CAST LE R E AGH moved for Accounts of the
'?r,,fit and Loss of the Sales of the Eait India Com..
for the year ending the Ist of March, 1804;
_,),.1 Also of the Amount of Stock, independent of
wit!) a Statement of the quantity of Goods
ici within the-same period.—The Accounts were
.4-tiered.

The consideration of the Report of the Corn
Cornulirtee was deferred to Thursday; as was the
(..:Lrrirnitte. on the Scotch Militia Expence Bill, to

tilt same. day.

The second readirg o? the Prize-Agency Bill
after some conversation Letween Mr. JERvls

and Mr. STURGES BOURNE, deferred till Thursday'
se'nnight.
Mr. STURGES BOURNE then gave notice, I n the.
name of his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Ptr c), that..
his Right Hon. Friend would, on Friday next, sub-
mit to the House his intended Plan for the better.
Defence of the Country.

Mr, ADDINGTON expressed a desire to know,
whether tile Plan proposed to be brought for-
ward by the Right 'Hon. Gentleman, was, in its
nature, the same as that unfolded by him on a former
occasion.

Mr. Sitritous BOURNE could not take upon him-
se:f stridly to explain what were the precise inten-
tions of his Right Hon. Friend upon the question ;
but he had reason to believe that the plan intended
to be proposed by him, would not materially differ
from that which his Right Hon. Friend had opened
on the occasion to which the Right Hon. Gentle-
man had alluded.

Mr. BANK ES, pursuant to notice, moved for a va.
riety of Acccunts respecting the state and disburse.
meats of the four and a halt per Cent. Fund, from
the Ist of January, rBor, till the Ist of January,
18o4.—Ordered.
Mr. SHAW moved for leave to bring in a Bill fur
the Relief of Insolvent Debtors in Ireland.

Mr. Alderman Cor.tßE said, he saw no reason
why such a Bill should not also be extended to
England.
The Motion, with this extension, was agreed to.

On the Motion of Mr. H. ADDiricTott, the
second reading of the Cotton Manufadurers' Bill
was deferred till Thursday se'nnight.

Also the Irish Criminal Offenders' Bill.
Also, the further consideration of the Report of
the Irish Revenue Regulation Bill.
Mr. WHITBREAD gave notice, that he would, on
Wednesday, move for the produlion of a Copy of
a Letter sent by the Lord Advocate of Scotland,
on the 18th of May last, to. the Sheriff Depute of
Banffshire, regarding the condutl of Mr. Morrison,
in dismissing a servant who entered a Volunteer
Corps without his consent.
The Archbishop of Dublin's Palace Sale Bill was
read a second time, and committed for to.rnorrow
se'nnight.
Sir R. BUXTON moved, That the Accounts of the
Receipts and Expenditure of the Veterinary College
be laid before the llonse.—Ordered.
The Lords' Atnerd.nents to the St. Pancras Poor
Bill were read and agreed to,

The other Orders of the House were then dis.
posed of, and the House adjourned till Wednesday.

MAILS.

Duz. ARRIVED.
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THE SUN.

QUIS DICERE FALSUNI AUDEAT ?

LONDON, MAY 29, 1804.

PRIVATE Letters were this morning received in
Town from Paris, which state, that BONAPARTE
was proclaimed