The Sun.
London, England, 1858-03-02 00:00:00

PAILLIA.MENTAZY COMMITTEH.

tThe ,following appeared in our late .ditto* of last
evening
The Committee reassembled this morniag at 12 o'clock.
Sir J. Graham in the chair.
Mr. W. P. Hale (barrister) attended to watch the case
for the several persons supposed to be concerned in the
proceedings.
Mr. Butt's examination was resumed by Mr.
Sergeant Deasy. Ile repeated the particulars in
connection with the reception of the cheques from
Mr. Coffey, stated by hina in his evidence on Saturday
with a view to certain explanations of no public interest.
The negotiations with the Board of Control terminated in
Jung, 1857, and it was then he advised the Ameer to go
to India, because as everthing that was to be done for
Ali Moorad was to bethrough the Bombay Government,
its was immaterial whether he remained in this country
or went to India. Immediately an offer was made to
him (Mr. Butt) to go to India, he communicated with
his friends, and, in consequence of their advice,
alcorrespondence ensued between him and the Ameer's
agents relative' to the insurance of his life. He at first,
tvy the advice of his-friends declined to go to India. Ali
Moorad and Mr. Coffey both pressed him daily to go,
bent on hearing of the revolt he thought it undesirable to
g 6 out. He considered the negotiations with Ali
I,foorad at an end when those in connection
with the Board of Control terminated. Mr. Butt
slooke in a very low voice and very rapid, and. as
he sat with his back to the reporters it was
possible to hear distinctly what he said. He was under-
stood
to say that after the termination of the negotia-
tions with the Board of Control, he bad a conversation
with Ali Moorad and Mr. Coffey, in which the latter
said that if it was necessary to bring the Ameer's
case before Parliament he (Hr. Butt) must do it.
When he heard the East India directors had declined to

send an hostile answer to Ali Moorad's memorial he
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be saw no reason why the Indian Court could prevent it
fpo*u being brought before Parliament. He was in.-
cloned to do so from a belief that his personal honour
bad been impugned by the decision of the
board. Negotiations were again opened with
tie East India board, who on being pressed for
tin early decision drew up a deepatch which was
Submitted:to Mr. T. Smith. It was unfavourable to the
Ameer, and Mr. V. Smith modified it in favour of the
Ameer. He never wished Mr. Coffey to lay under any
imputation with regard to the 2,000& which was alluded
to in the Ameer's letter, given in evidence on a former
day. He never said to Sir H. Seymour or to any per.
son that Mr. Coffey was a blackguard, but he did say to
Sir H. Seymour that Mr. Coffey's conduct to the Ameer
was the grossest piece of treachery he had ever heard of.
It was undoubtedly the intention of the Ameer to have
assisted the English forces in capturing Delhi. At
Trieste he frequently told witness the English force
was too weak, and that if he could get to India in
tune he would raise troops to co-operate with them.
Mr. Coffey was dismissed after his (Mr. Butt's)
arrival at Trieste, and he told the Ameer that if be
took Mr. Coffey. to India he would do nothing more
for him. Mr. Coffey made a claim of 3,000/. against
the Ameer, who said he had not dismissed Mr. Coffey,
but that he had dismissed himself on the ground of
treachery. After some conversation with the Ameer
Mr. Butt formally dismissed Coffey, on the ground that
he had been a traitor in the Ameer's service. The
Ameer oonfirraed the dismissal. Coffey, in an interview
with witness, denied ever having made the statements
imputed to him. Witness asked him if he were serious,
and Coffey replied he was, and solemnly asserted it
was untrue. He asked witness's advice what to do,
and he told him that if " any one, whether attache or
not, uttered untruths against him, he would proceed to
Vienna with a thick stick and use it in his vindication."
Witness then at great length referred to the conversa-
tions that took place at Vienna and Trieste, which he
gave in direct opposition to Mr. Coffey's statement
before the committee. He added that he advised
the Ameer to go to India and consult his son, then
in Scinde, whom Sir C. Napier, in one of his works,
spoke very highly of. The witness stated that when he
was at Vienna the Ameer came to him, and, as witness
wished to have no further connection with Coffey, Capt.
Langley attended at his request as interpreter. Mr.
Coffey broke in upon their conference, saying
he had a private communication to make to the Ameer,
which was granted him, and he then informed witness
the Ameer objected to Captain Langley'a knowing any-
thing about his concerns. The Ameer shortly after left,
and came to witness a second time with a request that
he would accompany him to the bank: • He did so, and
waited outside whilst the Ameer went in and came out
with a cheque for 2,0001., which he gave,witness and
he afterwards cashed it.

By Mr. Sergeant Deasy—How was it the Ameer
drew the cheque over N. short ?
Witness—Because be considered an even number
unlucky. Deadly hostility existed between Coffey and
Ali Akhbar. He then proceeded to an explanation of
one or two points in Mrs. Parr's evidence. He said she
was introduced to him by Coffey and Mr. Irwin, who
informed him Mrs. Parr was a woman of birth and
education.

Mr. Roebuck—Did you not know better
Witness said he did not. Mr. Irvine told him he had
been to her parties, and that they were very nice people.
Coffey said she had been very kind, and of great assist•
ance to the Ameer. He in consequence called and
saw her. She invited him to her parties and to a seat
in her box at the opera, which he refused to accept.
On one occasion Coffey said to him that Mrs. Parr
thought his constant refusals a slight, and in consequence
he Rent to her box at the opera very late—just before
she left. He never consulted her about the Ameer.
As they were leaving the opera Coffey turned round
and said they were going home to supper, and asked
him to join them. He did so, and in the course
of the conversation he did ask her what ehe
thought of the Ameer. Reference was made to his
going to India, and Coffey said if he went there he
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handsome presents; to that he replied—" If ha went to
India he would come home laden with all kinds
of precious stones." He never said he would
take up the cause of the native princes. He
first knew of the petition from a person—unknown
to him, touching him on the arm in the lobby of the
House of Commons and informing him of it. lie did not
know the name of the mysterious personage, and should
not know him again. He thought the party watched
him into a dark part of the passage before com-
municating with him. The information did net
come from Mr. Holmes. Certainly that visitor
was not Mr. Holmes nor any one he knew. He
never considered his arrangement with the Ameer
a violation of privilege as a member of the House of
Commons, he consulted many of his friends (amongst
them Mr. Seymour Fitzgerald), and it was well known
he was about to leave for India AP the confidential ad-
viser and friend of Ali Moorad, for which he was to be
paid 10,000/. The money be was paid was certainly paid
him on the belief he was to go to India, or if be did not
go there he should feel bound to return the money he ha d
received. He looked upon the sum of 10,0001. more
as an indemnity against risk in going to India, than
a towptatiou to go there; but the real tereptation wee,.