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mill, he worked on a Lew and improved principle, Sic°.
ler to that in use in France, and was able to obtain rcr°
or three shillings a quarter mere for the fleur Lend°llf
than in Readiue.—(Hear.) These facts arc worthy e
being known. The Nuble Lord rerers to a ;tile in Fret c 5
with regard to grinding hard wheat in bond. and tllt
only sort wheat was allowed; but in that the Nible
Lord was mistaken, for the hard wheat was the best la
grinding. The charge for tneterage, which the Sole
Lord stated to be a disadvantage to the English eall;
tacturer, a peculiar to the city of Louden, sod
did not apply to other outports. It was impossible db:
sey that the E:iglish miller was placed under any di°
.vantage as ca-cpared with the French miller. •Ir via;
also to be observed Oaf. the improvement in the eci:
siruction of mills was being adopted in this countrhi;
Besides, the duty on coal imposed in France, goe
English miller an advantage. There was no d, übt that
there wris to Ireland a diminution in the cultivation 50
wheat, and that the Irish millers, depending on their 0%
produce, wire placed a a disedvantege as compared lot
those in Londe!, and Liverpuol, in being oblieed to
port corn from ehre.d.
Colonel DUNNE had no greats sympathy with iller::
for thy bad been vtolent -tader., still there tits.
cuti,e of joy at their repentance. The argument je,, of
'our of free trade was the increase of the coinfo,r„b
'he people, but that was not the case in Ireland. "
regard to he millers, they imported ISt. ,nes from Frefile.
upon which they paid a duty of 10 per cent. gerbs
tended the'. the millers should be protector'. BP,",i be
was sure, if the Committee was granted, it woolo
shown tlett free trade wet. the ruin of Ireland. ,heo.
Lord NAAS replui. He i,beerved that all the ""'",.,"0,
retinal and h‘ pothetical statem. nts made by the ''ot
Member for Westbury would not countervail the tent
Member
that the millers ot this country and ot Ireland were
state ot great di-tress.—(Hear hear.) Witt, ITSP'CiIt to
:ho llackfriars- bridge mill, to which reference 15-0
often been made, he had been over it, and couveril'e
the gentleman who constructed it, and his answer 1146-
that that mtll was c ,mmenced before the law 01 „',llO
"
was passed; that it was commenced at a time vibaii
millers thought their trade was likely to ieloren':',"ol
be a p,otitaele one, and when matters were in d,od'em
position from what they were now.—(Hear, hear.) for
o the new inverition te which the Hun. Member
tlietrd
Westbury had referred, he begged to say that
tentee hadfeiled to convince the best millers in B*,:vWot
that it would be of any value to them, and that they
not likely toleer, hear.)
Mr. NIACGREGOR rose amid loud cries of
vide," and " On, uh." The Hon. Gentleman Inadebli
veral ineffectual attempts to address the Houtn",
was received with calls of No, no;" Ott, e',l%
and " Divide;" amid which the Hon. GentlennOr it;
ciainied that he would move the adjournment (/* -
House.
Mr. HUME hoped his Hon. Friend would not Press
his motion.
A division then took place upon Lord Naas's teo'
when the numbers were—
For the motion... „, ,„ 93
Against it ... „, 123
Majority against the motion ...
Mr. BANKES gave notice of the terms of a resolll4,
for to-morrow, relative to the St. Alban's elccooneToo,
nesses who have withdrawn from the United fin 4 fibs
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON moved for a " return °d
bf
number of cases of cattle and sheep stealing reportieg
the constabulary in the counties of Westmeath 50'1 DP
common respectively during each of the three bet
years, ending the Ist day of June, 1651; of the 011-mocll
of persons committed for trill or bailed fonds" o:
offences; of the number of such persons convionoel
their sentences, and a statemtnt of the nam, 50" "dot)
in which such sentences have been commuted, or Psreet
granted, up to the present time; whether in en°,.e.,
the commutation or pardon was recommended 1•7, cr
judge, and the nature and date of such commutall°"
pardon."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER SO wtftV
SOMERVILLE opposed the motion, on tne ground
inconvenie,,ce and injustice that m:ght arise. RV
Mr. O'FLAHERT I thought some such retard 1P
called for, as an impression prevailed in Ireland b 0
sheep stealing offenders had been allowed to come
after being transported.
Lord J. RUSSELL could not agree to the tn°t'i
it now stood, b cause, unless there was some case u'iello
on
grave delinquency O the part of the Irish authe'," fo'
it would net be proper for that House to take the P,,06r
gative of the Crown into its hands. He would re. 710
mend the Hon. Ge-ntleman, therefore, to witlicir%lell
motion, and bring it forward, on a lutare day, in -
objectionable shape.
Mr. DISRAELI should be sorry to support ani
nos
tiun that would aff .ct the prerogative of the
he could see nothing in the metion that would hec.„:oii°
tendency. If, however, the last sentence ot the
rt
were omitted, viz , that rela.ing to the commutation cobs
recommended by the judge, &c., he thought there offf
be no possiole objection to it on the part of the o°.
meat, 10 °I
Lord J. RUSSELL to willing to agree

S, , was quit
m. tiun w:to that alreration.
Mr. HAMIL TON cJebented, and the motio°'
.mended, was agreed to. citl °I
Toe orders of the day were then d6posed of, 111
House adjourned at a Q ar'er to One o'clock.

HOUSE. OF LORDS, Ju!y 15.
esil(
The D.RD CHANCELL)It took Seat, uputa

~ack at Ft ve ek. 131 k;
GUNPOWDER S lOW AG E (LIVERPOOL)
Earl GRANVILLE muved that this Bill be re
to a 'el. ct Commit,tp.
Lord REDESDALE presented a petition •rootiO,f,
proprietors of property on the banks of the
praying to be heard by counsel against the Bill.

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Ihe motion was agreed to.
PETI F lONS. 'en'tsl
The Rai of ST. GERMANS, in presentivg 1,0
petition, against the Eccl, alastical Titles An'ij
-11
Bill, took t ccasitou to recommend to the attention 00,'
Government a pamphlet, written by Mr. Elol',e lr
ol,r,
.i.tnnell, on this subjt et, The Noble Earl also Pr
s ,v,- ral petitions prayitag for the preservation °
Ili
Cry stal Palace. iron' ,t,'
Lord WODELIOUSE prevented petitions ,ip
Cape of Good Hope in favour of a cousti:uti°l3
versimeut. . l'

BRIBERY BILL,

ST. ALBANS
leird BEAU MON r postponed the motion
Committee on this Bill.
THE CAPE OF GOOD HOPE. t4'
The Earl of DERBY rose to move, according
dot
rice, that the papers laid before this Hutoe Pit
the present and the hot session of eleoli
went relating to thu settlement of a cch"-a
for the Cape of Good Hope should be referferei;
Select Committee. He had heard with grePoiej
that it was the intention of her Majesty's 00!_efo
to oppose this motion. He could assure tpe ofx',
he brought forward this motion in Derloro
either of personal or of party hostility to the vepti,j
went. He had no wish to add to the embarees9o,l
the Noble Earl opposite at the eea'er
the Colonial office ; • his object was rat tiii!,;
relieve those embarrassments, and to endeavour
pie the force of those elements of, he was afraid 'Ol014
call it, disaffection at present existing in that Ct°.,
The colony was what was commonly called a
colony. It had been acquired by conquest, and itt'ori
miens were wholly granted by the Crown, tod
Crown, having once granted those institutions,
the power of withdrawing them,— (Hes'', a °:
Many of their Lerchhips, perhaps, weAr-ilie;
aware of the exact history of the colony, acret4i
fare he should have to go at some length tad
history of the different proposals which had bee :01°i
for conferring a representative Goverriment on o',‘
(rho Noble Earl then elionly 'related the h'61;01,
the colony in 1842.) In the year 1842. 11,„je,ii
held the office of Colonial Secretary, a petition
L'' presented to him from the colony on the
c010:ji,
I.)t conferring representative institutions on tha„.lo)
He had, in reply to that petition, written a uh*ortl
in which he pointed out the difficulties whie"( 11/ii
in the way of complying with the requests "0,0
pentien, and stating his desire to have .4
trom the petitioners on the subject. This was 1"10,,,f,
1842, and no answer had been returned to it Of Pcl
autumn of 1846. At that time the Neb'ileirc:
he sent out a -60 p,
opposite assumed office, and
to Sir Henry Pottinger, directing his atteotioe
dispatch of 1842, to which no answer bad hot tl
turned, and stating that it was the desire 10:p
24,jeity'ti Government to confer representaci/eiport!
rerieus on the 3 In 1848 Sir Henry r°l,iteljti
successor, bir Harry braid), answered the
forwarding to the Noble Earl a disptech, which °fell,
the views of th,,.e in authority on the subject Ot
ring representative government on the erlovroi0;1
LOW o.dei n• alma ut an Noble Earl to hid p 4
prrnetniOn of be seews which he (the Eerl °lnt eloil
had nil:, non that subject. In the commentietUe"A-sto
y eir 1848 Str 11. Smith, who had then succeede:d tit
government of the Cape of Geed Heim, aow`eirllo
dispatch of E rl Grey in 1846 by forwarding so Pie/ ci
views of het offsial advisers on the course sitege,',ool
that Noble E,,rl. Sir H. Smith had laid that v,10,0
before Mr. Porter, the Attorney-Generel of the Coter:ii,
with a view of eliciting his opision how repte6eaity
ins,it whine could be best introduced into it. His Qirveo,4,
with the questions of Earl Grey, was also sab,°36ooo
Mr. Montague. the seLretery to the Colonial ,01/11
nor, to the colonial treasurer, to the collector of c"to
to the chief justice, and to the two puisne jude; to 1;.
question whether representative institutions cog isle
introduced into the colony was scarcely sub(Pey'pe
those intelligent public officers—the question tir
to be limited to the mode of introducing they (('
Montague las e'ir
"It appears to me, therefore, that I shall ye or f
his Excellency by abstaining from all theoreti°,ooer
street docussion on general principles of the ,re 6
evil likely to result from the establishment of r:,'ilef!:
to its form of government in this or any othet;iiiil:fi
dency, and by endeavouring, to the best of myrele'es:
furnish him with such information on the poibtl; teed
to, as will enable him to form some estimate Tneo,P,i
tent and character of the difficulties which had
to Lord Stanley, wed to which Earl Grey so P° rt
refers."
et
Another said, " That the period had arrived wa
,"ii
presentative government could be safely extebue. ref b
Cape of Good Hope." Another said," That 9111?
sentative government was a held experiment, Pt 00heii
not be well avoided." What he wished to psi bit yid
the consideration of their Lordships eves this ref,r,p,)
gentlemen did not give their opinion as to theePe eori
of introducing representative institutions into tPvrotil'ioll
but as to the plan of introducing them which of )If'
the safest and the most practicable. TWO Lit.
gentlemen had serious misgivings on that potioil
Porter, who was a great advocate for free 039
,b1)00
closed his opinions with these words:—
" I ie...ee Ls, ra. recl.,:ftative 36;0'1V
the Cape ' an experiment;' his ExcellencyQOG
the colony and the people well, will not, thlw"