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if no satisfaEtion were given, that _
rious consideration of the Government, as he con-
sidered Honour as the fundamentable principle of
action in Public Bodies : and great as his partiality
was for Peace, and his conviCtion of its advantages,
be would firmly state,.that the insulted Honour of a
Nation more than any thing else called for reparation.
With respect to Continental Alliances, though in
former circumstances they were wise and politic,
and po,sibly may be so hereafter, yet at present, in
the existing State of Europe, th::te could be no real
advantage derived from them. He thought the
soundest policy of this Ccuntry would he, to adhere
to the Treaty of Amiens, as the best way of in-
suring a real and practical Peace. He regretted as
much as any man, the aggrandizement of France ;
but under the present. circumstances, he saw no hopes
of our being able to remedy the grievance.
Dr. LAWR ENC E spoke shortly in explanation.
Mr. WINDHAM spoke at some length, in de-
fence of the leading propositions in the Speech of his
Hon. and Learned Friend. He expressed himself
particularly dissatisfiediat the treatment of the House
of Orange ; and with respell to the principle of
National Honour, so highly praised end spoken of
by the Hon. Gentleman, he could say, for his own
part, that he had renounced all- chivalrous and ro-
mantic considerations of the kind. He had given up
the idea. Instead of the National Honour, he only
wished to contend for the plain downright security
and safety of the Country.
Lord C.ISTLER;!;AGH observed, that the De-
bate had digressed into a variety of subjects, which
were more or less unconnected with the regular sub_
jeCt of discussion. He thought it unfair that Mi-
nisters should be called to adopt every sentiment held
by those who agreed with them in their conclusions.
lie thought the two opposite Parties carried their
principles to an unjustifiable extreme. His view of
the subject lay between both. He thought the
lion. Gentleman opposite to him (Mr. Fox), under-
valued the danger to which the Country was ex-
posed, and-under-rated its means of defence ; while
the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. V./mob:Am) over-
rated danger, and held forth opinions, which if acted
upon, would preclude the Country from the pradical
enjoyment of Peace. His own opinion upon the
particular point was, that the increase of the French
power and territories, required proportionably in-
creased establishments on the part of this Country ;
Be might however entertain a rather different opi_
pion, did the French Government manifest a dis-
position to attend entirely to tile internal welfare
and prosperity of thae -Country. But we could nor
shut our eyes to the manifest dispositions of France.
And her conduCt with respect to other States, and we
should regulate on; establishments accordingly ;
neither did he think it safe, as some recommended,
to trust _entirely to our naval strength ; and instances
had occurred in which the protefaion it could afford,
was proved to be very uncertain. He instanced the
Attempt made to invade Ireland, when the Brest
squadron had escaped our Channel Fleet, and was
prevented only by the weather, from accomplishing ,
'the first part of the project : and he argued with
great ability in favour of a respeClable military
establishment in this Country, as well as in Ireland.
Nothing, he said, had happened since the Treaty
Of Amiens, which offered a ground for War to this
Country, under the circumstance of her having no
Continental Alliances.
Mr. WINDHAM explained.

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:After a few words from General T4RLETON,
Mr. POLE explained the nature of the Ordnance
Estimates. The Ordnance Establishment was, he
observed, the same as List year, with the exception
of ten Gunners per Company, which added some-
what to the Ordinary Expence of that Establish-
ment ; but there was a very considerable decrease
in the Extraordinaries of the Ordnance.

The Report was then read and agreed to.

The SECRETARY at WAR moved for leave to
bring in Bill for the better Punishment of Mutiny
and Desertion.—Lcave given.
Adjourned at a quarter before one o'clock in
the Morning.