The Sun.
London, England, 1833-04-29 00:00:00

EMBARRASSMENT OF MINISTERS.

The House, long b.-fore the Speaker took the chair, was
crowded in every corner, and the greatest anxiety pre-
vailed to hear what was to be said on the subject of the
defeat of his Majesty's Ministers on Friday night I tat.
The SPEAKER called on Lord AL MORI', and upon
his Lordship's rising, there was a general cry of " Order,
order," which was responded from the Chair, with a call
of " Gentlemen will please to take their places."
When silence was obtained,
Lord ALT HORP—said I am quite persuaded that every
gentleman in the House must be anxious to hear what
I wish to state on the present occasion. The decision
of the House on Friday being particular, considering the cir-
cumstances under which it took place, has, as I stated at the
time it would. placed Government under great embarrass.
ment ; and in taking this question into our consideration, we
have telt it desirable to bring the question again to the con-
sideration of the House, and in such a manner that the
whole state of the case may he brought before them, the t
they may si,e clearly all the consequences which may take
pace occasioned by the proceedine of that night, and come
to a decision with their eyes open ; it may be exactly the
same as what they earn, to before. Sir, with this view,
and believing that this will be the mode which wi'l con-
duce most to this end, it is my intention to move as
an amendment to the motion of the Hon. Baronet for
the Coy of London, to-morrow evening this resolution,
which I will read now, in order that it may be placed on
the votes of the Hints-, th it Hon. Gentlemen may have
the opportunity of considering the effect of it ;—" Th it the
deficiency of the revenue which would be occasioned by a
reduction of the tax on malt to 10.. a quarter, and by the
repeal of the taxes on houses and windows could only lie
supplied by the substitution of a general tax on property—
(Laud and long contined cheering)—and would occasion
an extensive change in our whole financial system which
would at present be inexpedient."—(Loud cheers, and
cries of " No, no.)
The Noble Lord having eat down,

Mr. SPEAKER called on Lord Althorp again.
Lord ALTHORP moved that tae whole House should
now resolve itself into a Committee of Supply. His Lord-
ship said, in moving this, I feel I ought--I don't know
whether my Hon. Fri nd for Wolverhampton is present
or not—but his motion has precedence of the Hon. Ba-
ronet's (the Member for the City of London), and I feel
that I ought to, as I do, recommend my Honour-
able Friend to allow the Honourable Baronet
to bring forward his motion first, because the circumstances
in which we are played, make it in the highest degree--I
won't say expedi,nt, but necessary—that a decision should
be come to as soon as possible.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. WHITMORE said he bad not the least desire to
press unnecessarily hard on the Noble Lord (Althorp);
but considering the importance of the subject, he felt that,
however reluctantly, he must place himself in competition
with the wishes of his Noble Friend, unless he was certain
of bringing it forward on some other and an early day.
Lord ALTHORP said that, looking at the present
state of circumstances, it must be exceedingly inconve-

nient if that motion were brought forward tonight; and
that it was important that his Hon. Friend should comply
with his request to postpone it. He would 10-morrow
arrange what day next week it could be brought forward.
Mr. WHITMORE, under those circumstances, would
agree to postpne his motion.
Sir W. INGILBY asked the Noble Lord what he in-
tended to do respecting the vote which the House had
come to last Friday night ? He could assure the House
th t he had not brought forward his motion with any
view of embrrrassing .Ministers.—(Hear, and laughter.)
The resolution having been carried by a majority, ti e

manner in which the Noble Lord had taken it up had
gone through the country, and the country expectel that
the measure would be carried into effect.—(Hear, hear.)
He asked if it was the intention of the Noble Lord to
csrry that resolution into effect, or what it was the Noble
Lord intended to do?

Lord A LTHORP said it was only those gentlemen who
were so nut accustomed as his Hun. Friend, who could
misunderstand what he (Lord Althorp) had said on
Frdiy night.—( Hear.) What he did then say—at all
events what he meant to say, and what he believed he did
say in so many words, was, that although the question
was carried by a very small majority, he would not take
advantage of another division the same evening. He felt as
other gentlemen, who bad been accustomed to such matters

had always f,lt that he might, if he thought proper, divide

the House more than once, but he would not take the
chance of gentlemen coming in after the first division, in
order to obtain a second division. As to what he intended

to do, he should have thought that what he had just now
said would have rentler,d any explanation ❑nnecessary.
The Marquis of CHANDOS rose to express his deep
regret to find that there was any intention to get off the
vote of the Howe—(Heir, bear)—'m a tnoti in of the
greatest importance to the country at large. The House
could nut be taken by surprise by the Hon. Baronet's
(Sir William Ingillby's) motion.—(Hear, hear. They-
must have been prepared for it ; but what he most

regretted was, that there should be any attempt
on the part of a Minister of the Crown in that Reformed
House, from which so much was expected, to set aside the
vote come to on that occasion. That Members should he

they voted them improperly, an-1 that he would give
:hem another opportunity of correcting their

(Hear, hear.) He begged leave to express his earnest
end sincere hope that when the question muss again ..rought
forward, the vote would stand as at present. For himself,
hp should be ashamed if he should be supposed capable of
altering his vote on that important question, so deeply
affecting the landed interest. He would rather, in
if ed, throw up his seat than at the call of the Minister
of the Crown vote directly on the other side.—(Near.)
An HON. MEMBER, whose name was unknown in the
Gallery, stated that, although he had voted in the majority
on this question, he thought tuere were greater interests
At stake than the mere repeal of the duty on malt. It was a
question of the interests of the institutions Of the country
and the stability of the present Adininistr, ttion—( Heat,
and some confus,on)_which he considered the on:y ore:
which could manage the affairs of the state.
Mr. TENNYSON said undoubtedly the Noble Lord
(Althorp) was best qualified to give a construction to what
he did soy, or intended to say, on the previous occasion
now referred to, and although he was ready to accept
the explanation which had been given, yet, he must say
that it was uniformly circulated through the press, that
he (Lord Althorp) would, notwithstanding the smallness
of the majority, feel it to be his duty to carry the reso-
lution into effect--( Loud cries of " No, no ;" " Yes, yes.")
Gentlemen cried " No," but he should like to know
whether those who uttered therm were present.—(Hear )
W
Whilst he -hid this in justice to himself, he was bound
in justice to the NAhle Lord, to say that he was sa-
tisfied the Noble Lord did not mean so to express himself,
and he was ready to abide by the explanation given
the Noble Lord hituself.—(Hear.) With respect to %vita,
had faLen from the Hun. Gentleman who just sat down, he
must say that lie did not think any question of the kind
ought, in a Reformed Parliament, to affct the stability of
any Administration. The former degraded Parliaments
were more the Privy Council of the Minister than the
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