The Sun.
London, England, 1802-12-10 00:00:00

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tarctlaPclttant, that we not surer ourselves to
zaisePed away by any general cry that ni;.g-lit be
faQs upon theaesubjet3/4, without ascertaining the
lit.thete' was another. point to consider,
land
Llat was, .a, material one.: He wished the
Roo
tal se to recoiled in what Wars we had Continen-
tte.cethettionse and in what Warslwe had trot, and
otnparethe result. The ,only War in ,which-
lvec had
been engaged since-theaevolution, in which
Arn a.cl nor- had any Continental Alliances-was the
Nvlikeirican War) and 'that was the only 'War in
or.lwe were not successful. It was true, that in
tear Wars vac had sometimes failed, as far as. they
tri..ed to Continental objects; but as far as
then
interests were concerned, we had been
thestantlY successful, except only in the case of
iettiiiltuerican war.—With this view of the sub-
lad re Was not disposed-to renounce the opinion he
nartnerly entertained upon it, at the same time
p'aready to admit, that there ought to he great
rudence used in entering into Continental Alli-
thee ' not only with resped to . the connexions
• illselves, but to the engagements we entered into.
at m °tight -not to enter. into engagements so loose
of 'tsi
it
° generally worded, as mighton the application
defeat their own objed ; and he also
thest, that care ought to be taken not to pledge
Wet"untry too deeply, because cireumstances7
utre frequently liable to change:, He had no
diiri-
saying, that he should not think he should
Le :is, chltYi if maintaining the general principle,
evere'eluiti not endeavour to give it elfett when.
tanatlLwas able, according to eircumstancesesir_
and a?r,,eda as he had before stated, by prudence,
ed to etth . There was one point which tic, wishe,
teruagude to respetlinge the failure of our. Conti-
oanexions last War. Insinuations had been
thr `-
bu°:" nutethat this Connery bad mee wittenotbing
t
and that
and breach .eri. faith from our Allies,
thlat as
-section had been particularly exemplified)
Qat r case of Austria. . Irwe were to look at that
Viler throughout the whole -course of the. Warn
in :I'bilethaps the re•might besome ground for regret
tl-t-r reticulas instances, yet there were periods when.
fi ug'er. nat....only displayed. the emosl
tY an her engagements, but .the ,most heroic
le;`)L'utiore, She did not conclude- theaiireaties of
s„-erll or Luoeville, till. the iterynlast extremity,
or when :site was prevented by the_ pressure and
forgenty of ciseutnatances, from sending a Minister
the purpose of obtaining our consent, which
tenseate she had .askad, ewe could nor for Plo-
tentt ,have, refused. Before the concluson of• last
restY, she. spewed. a..-degree of fidelity, to her en.
aa afgernentS.Neith us thaaeaver was surpassed. For
tet the. battle.• of
.Marenko, she was strongly and
repeatedly
„, urged by France to conclude a separate
l'reaty, and :terms!. offered much, more favourable
25a she afterwards obtained. Notwithstanding
'tery efforton the part of Fiance, Austria would
'tot make Peace,. till she was compelled by the fatal
battle
of Hohenlindert. All he. had, therefore, to beg
4w,G. entlemen was, that when they spoke upon these
tllT'as, they would do it alter some consideration,
a tiurl not endeaaiOurio 'make impressions, in which
knew they were not .warranted by ahe
tide -,knew that, upon particular occasions, the
e Millaropinion had completely changed
upon the subject I • I Alliances. After the
•r of Contmenta
with 176-3, the cry was against all connexion
utlh the Continent ; and after that of 1783, in
pull ell the want of Alliances had been felt, the po.
ar Prejudice ran as strong in their favour.. He
taaees'etialiat heltat tha
the best and wist men fot
'urie-s had agreed in opinion-with respect to, the
sPolicy of such Alliances, elle should require. very
feign& reasons, and .a
great deal of experience be.
r
ne would venture to say they. were mistaken.
4 was not necessary for hitn to say any thing re-
l)rt%ng the amount of the proposed Establishment,
because Very little .Objettion had been made to it.
A
I-I°n• Gentleman (Mr.- Fox) seemed to think
ti at no change tvl)ich had taken- place, in the situa_
:e°`l Of Europe required an increase in' our Esta-
lsnm,ent. It could not be denied that the great
ttent of Coast which France had now obtained,
11: number of harbours which she had acquired,
tilst thake:a great difference' in our relative situa-
,l.l(}n,• From the Revoltition to the American War,
.'hand was always either neutral or in alliance
Naitll this Country, and the Netherlands, till the
r 1756, were in the power of a country in al-
dnce wish us. It was true, that at the end of the
LaT s'et,i`-sali War, Holland was in alliance with France,
tr. e possessed her independence, and-there was a
difference between a country being in alliance
at'l" another, and being completely. dependant upon
r That was one point of view in which this
leat)-leit had not been sufficiently considered. It
aa"en said; that the House of Bourbon were
Iteie 9T,l;td by the same motives of ambition: with the
ratlT'utionary Governments of Franc''`- and were as
aQteh disposed to violate Treaties as any Govern-
aliant whatever ; this was true to a certain extent,
I)er he was as ready as any. man, to condemn this
k~rt
of the policy of the House of Bourbon. But it
ah: neee.ssary to consider, not. only their will, but
%vit. Power to do mischief. The present Government
tie ranee had the power of doing things, which the
Laause of 'Bourbon, whatever its disposition might he,;
Le" fiat the means to.accomplish. A great deal had!
en said, at different times, about persons looking
ta7naLmeasures and not at meue. he confessed beea .
" very
much inclined to consider this as mere
t and hy ,cri •*3 or at least as proceeding from
gto, I c- =
iarce. In one 'sense, antflo a certain degree,
`Yraust go.together. :If any Gentleman brought
P°sarge against Ministers, it was absurd to sup_
e. that a man comet.e.R.-deniri--mrairares and not
ten to remove the men by whom they were• adopt,
nun If that House were to 'dkree in a resolution tai
esinre the. condud of the King's. Ministers, it
orbtlit to be followed up with a
,Motion for removal
taer lose Ministers. Nothing in his opinion coniti be
ster!ahurd than t&Suppose,ahat the system of Mini.
ta Could be disapproved of, and.yet that they ought
li be `ePt in Office, in h neves that they would adopt a
"" conduit c ultra to that of which they were
aoaen , c y
ttl a L,° approve. But this principle had been pus
not assent)
farther, and wan extent to which he could
the sNlisentl If a Gentlenian said he disapproved of
easqres of P iminivratinne and therefore he
•• - h
tOul a .11 possible, remove the Ministers, e
understand lilln ; it wits fair, constitutiot