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desirable itianow them to coatinite their ttiveitiga-
tkn. He therefore moved fur leave-to bring in a
.11111 to continuelfor a time to be limited, &c.
ilf.c. WiIITBAEAD could not help isoticing "the
extr,:orilinary eonclutt of the Right Hon. Gentle..
man, who, at the very time , when he was moving
the continuation of their powers, took occasion
to
cast the bitterest slur on the Comtniesioners that had
'ever fallen from the spite of a vanquished party.
This, slur would never have been cast but for the
Boldness and impartiality with which the Commis.,
stoners had done their duty. fie was sure the
House did not disapprove ut any part of their can.
du!! i and this ,would- appear when the Motion of
)'l.ll flammable Friend (Nlr, Sheridar) should be
brought forward. 'He wished the Commistioners to
irat entrusted with further powers frOm the peculiar
letaltratien With w kith they hadcondutted themselves.
„If int, person thought they had atked tyrannically,
In NW instance, he would vote for no increase
.of
their:power, and a
fur' Vote of Censure instead of
kaVote of Thanks. lie would also move a provision.
pilthliri the Cotnniissiuners to call for any accounts,
and in whatever manner they should chose to spe-
cifYi so that no person could give them any .untie.
l trouble
or delay. As to the eth clause, he
alkikeil it was a subjett of, great delicacy ; but the
"140. the Corninissioners was such, that some
alteration may be Made 'With safety. As so much
benefit kit heel) 'derived from their- labours, with '
144' Powers so limited, lifsw much- more advantage
jqis' ctprited when
the limitation did not go to
' "ttrit to which it Was now construed. In. the
Cooled„( Law, when a witness refused to answer a
tl'sii'n lest it may have a tendency ro criminate
himselft' 14 Court judged of the reasonableness of
th'
--J'etion, and afterwards exercised its discretion
io t(ittp,l an Atiswer. He wislsed to give a proteEtion
Zaag'it3' caner He
legal proceedings, hut not agairiat-
tvirh!l• fie accordingly moved as an Amend.
' at
said Alit leave be given to continue and amend tile-
....
did .[4e CII,INCELLOR the- EXCHEQUER
i: not of conceive he 'had cast such a slur upon the
c:Hliflll'issionerti. 'When the House appointed a
11:41 •tlission to inquire, it was not a necessary con.
isr"l"rice that the tvlembers gave up their liberty of
1 al to what that Commission may have done.
1 in
of the general utility of the Inquiry was
7'°t ''' he alteied by his thinking that the Commis.
101"hres 14"" n'ight, in some instances, have. conduCted
in a more becoming manner. His
12:ini" was still, and it had been so from the he.
'ril theing, that the Inquiry had done much .service
a() Country• lie could not in general terns
Itre to
60 11011. Gentleman's Amendment ; it re.
9:ould 'red deliberation and debate ; opporlunititi
occur for proposing -
such provisions in the
ProluEress uf die measure by way of auses, and they
a he discussed in the Committee'cl With notice: In
matter of sech delicacy, and 'sacred constitutional
it"' he could. not see how the Constitutional re,
'4,714 agiliton self.criminatioa could be 'repealed
Iti I°te Ikee C!,mmissioners, or' how the power, if
4Viti in their hands, could be so
.guatded as to
~.,`.':"y4 PeriCtt brclitlty against misuse. He should
I"
etute resist Inc Anteodrittnr.
, Ns py
4, • .4,eutild not but agree that it • was . very
.'.l tiontlinary in the Right Hon. Gentleman, at the
cnie he was moYing tar the cOntinitanie. of the-
di.;flt)milstian, to state his disapprobation' of the con-
io, ,l'i the ►Commissioners. If the acts they had
guile in
the kight 1-Inn.:Gentlt. mln thought
din,44lint() related to the important parts a shear
bust ' tie $'
%vete uhtit to be 'continued in 'sn. great a,
ivc i II they wLtt.COMpelriniVelY lirtimportant, it
11„letod a stliihge kind of divosition in the Right
t)tob' '4en!li!rnati to give great powers to a selett
'pi ter ut men, and at the, Same time- tu. take that
'l4-tv
Its east indirect reflations upon them.
l'r, titst a fault, and hesitatediitike, '
• , skionu; t, wuuint, 11113 yet atraiti to strike.
de eki I i
tittiiiiii U ( twr cuticeive 'why the Right Flom, Geo,.
NI . s h,iwe vet unwilling' to' hint, should chose
that Imttieul it time *so express disapprobation, and
1044 'eXplained. It their unbecoming coridu4 was
to 41) soil, it just'to mem, of fair to the Public,
alluPtit them again in a situ of Such a-trust iHe
in
I,rd that it was compei,ot to rnoke- alterations
dsit.le 14,ullreSs of the Bill.; but that could not he
filltYslu'out 4 particular toll 1 uction to the Cowl-
teiii!. r With respiKt to the sth Chithie, : nu
to ile% of services dune, no hove of services
grt,t 'lune, cnultl iiiduoe him to trench
,on the
1111dc""itutk'n'11 I"lnciple, that no man was
Le
virdlU i
, cl'"'inate LitnielL When. the Hill pahsed
hot 1,,- n'it in the habit of attending the Kouse;
liith he with an Hun. and Leariked Gentleman
Q,„ei"," ,11)° law, Oh the other side (the Attorney'
14T 41), that is special plovision -W4B not- neces-
ht6lln 1
ktVildeti It protecting principle universally
1,41(44, OU.r law.
Bin he Contended that public
th,to
1.1 like the servants of . private persons)
,te `;() ot l,) retained when they had refused.Jo ac.
k:u, , " leeotitit proposed by their misters. The
• I,llturit,
in , 1 , . .. • . when
it wil, i. 1) )e allowed itsfullscope,
i.klict
ta.nown that hy selusill he disqualified
itti.,,io,„ tit, holdirg his office.. When the Coins
rs„ gl (,t Liquify
,were considered not as the
l'otsest„tiv
stkno,i( es ol the master, but-as II hostile in-
dhiolutely
1141 , ini to which ever information-thit was,
cumpelablu Ystiould he 'refused, the
441"itiltio .
f
Vlgt in unit PtinCipit waS ready abused, and it
tit i iposhible the inquiry could have any effett.
11i0u,,1 .
Int an, it necessary that the power of compel..
Sit O.L,L r should he extended Ina point which did
ut7? Wilii die QulllititLitiOrt. fit would' not
41"'' 741lettl" IVir'SPrut had'
orbit! not the right to.
$;
„,114.'veriog ; pet haps he hael ; but if he buds'
. ',44 A rt.
, .
1.4 ' "" fur tXleliding.tile de,aeription of
44 wil
; wii i '4" the power's ot the A6k Comprettended.
trii,,,,, r riut ;hese okay be, introduced. in the Com-
fit!. 'l, °tat III)t regularly,
t. 4tw "t shi tilt. without g
4 ATTukrx ~ , •
.11)* the'.ti . EY,' GENERA/. c. uld not conceive.
'4fdlt. e,,,,! ''act alteration could be made in the title
it, the h "s Lltdess it was ex petted that a person not
l'tind ~,,,4111.i. u. I: "nun. unicating 'with his li,tght Hon.
vski„ii.
.!" ;lad moved it had communi.
will' th:1111..11 t'i'n, witty YieW particular
ilio this ohjedt, and
will nctea..,.°_Pt tit cony irici.ng him that the atteration'
011itIlitte:Itiv,Y. He thought ark nstruition to the
tir. sit
iuttlid answer the putpose•
:
IttOtakt,..to 4 /.. 4D 11 itr .atiowed that there was ,no
- l'elistve that ani conlitlentiel intercourse

would be eitahlished betweeti iris kortitrientl „whd
moved the Amendment, and the Right lion. Gen.
tleman who ,made the Motitin, much less was there
any hope of such intercOurie 'having the cad of
convincing -the' }tight' Horiourode,‘Gentleman that
the alteration was. necessary. He knew no rea,
son, however, to prevent 'his Hon. Friend, and a few
of those about him, to be joined in the Committee.
appointed to prepare and bring in the Bill,and then
the Amendment may be agreed upon in the prepara.
lion, He allowed that the. Rouse, in 'appointing'
Commissioners, did not 'reliequish its' right of
judging their conritult ; but to throw oat insinuations
on this day that these Ounmissioneta had affect in
an unbecoming manner, was, indeed, extraordinary
and unaccountable. " The Commissioners had cont.
plainf,id that their powers were deficient : he was
willing to guard against sell,crimination, which
was nor, however, the order of the day. He re.
lerred to the At of 1785, for appointing Commis.
eionersto inquire into the Fees and Perquisites of the
Public, Offices ; and this,' like every comparison
of time Right lion. Gentleman's former conduit with
that he pursued at present, afforded evidence of the
grossest inconsistencies. When a clause, of the na.
titre elate sth clause, was proposed lay a Charader
whom all revered and regretted (Mr. 13otkt),, on
the foundation of, Magna Charta, which was read
at the Table, the Right Honourable Gentleman
ridiculed the proposition, and refused the clause.—
It was
,singular, that this identical Mr. Trotter,
who refused to answer now under the sandlot% of the
sth Clause, was CiltllVelled to answer then. He had
hoped, that when his Motion of Thanks to *fie
iCommissioners should come on, it would be agreed
to 'unatiiinously ; now he fearad,the transadions in
the House would fall far short of the public, feeling,
by Which the Commissioners were judged deserving
of time unqualified gratitude of the Nation. He
thought it right, howe'rer, to warn ihe-Righ:. Hon.
Gentleman, in 4,4nicquence of what had fallen from
him, he would frame hie. Mption in such a way as
either to compel him to accede to it, or to state in
what manner the Commissioners -had aded untie.
comingly.
Me. ROSE claimed credit for,having been ever
anxious to promote Inquiry since he first came into
office, The Bill in 1785, arose from information
that persons in office received large stilliN from those
who supplied the Public with certain articles, and
the' presumption was, ha t .these presents were charVd
ultimately on the Public. Persons in very low situ.
atiuns were stated'to have ten times the income.'uf
the. Uwder.Seuretaty of State. The Clause al'uded
to by the Hon. Gentleman; similar to the sibCiatise
ofthe Alt now-before the House, was;retused, on the
ground that the universality of the common law
principle rendered it acineecasarY ; he all-wed that
if any person,in„a site ation of public trust related
to answer, he ought tts be ditrnised;. th this
must be said with qualification, as,explanalton may
remove the siaspleiou-s charaderot list tiltncc,
Mr. Bmilts- conceived the deficiency may be
not so muen in mist Mt as in the 'construttion .put
upon it. lie therefore thought it not right to say
in the first instance, that the Mt 'required amend.
tntnt. What lie wished principally to remove was,
the obst.icles complained of in the Tenth Report:—
He. could not agtce, however, that the moderation
of the Cusinalissionera' was a ground for vesting its
'them powers that should be elatustad to no man.
Nothing was' so 'mischievous as „to sanction ;Enact
precedent, because it was, to be placed in good harms.
Mr. WLi ITBREAD ss;ihcd for powers to enforce
answers where the disclosuie codid nut tend to selL

criintnation. •
The'CHANCE:LI:OR of the Esectii'QUFlt, in 'answer
to the Hon. Gentleman who chose to objeft to Ititu
a Bill which Ite'had proposed with a view ofinquiry
into evils then supposed to exist, and now to charge
hint'with any grounds of.a disposition to resisein.
quiry, thought it'-necessary to state, that the Bill
which the Hon. Gentleman described. as so compul.
spry, contained nothing more than the general pro_
visions tor the correction of abuse, and not one
clause contrary to the principle of security-against
self.crintination, which was omitted 'only- .because
it is necessarily and ...constitutionally' included in
every part:of our law. • •
,the question being now pu-r, the Amendment wit
negatived, and the original Motion forJeave tosbtiog
*in-a Bill simply to continue the Alt was agreed to.
The CHANcei,Loa of the Ex(ttrouFa. rose for
the ptirpose of moving, that leave ha given- to
bring in a-Bill appointing a Commission to exa.•
mine inter, -Oil-Public Erwenditure -of the depart. •
menti therein ineptioned, and to report such ohscr.
'vatidns as might - enable the Legislature to correet
and prevent irregularities at present existing insult
~
departments, and to-adopt a better mode of con.
(hiding' them for the future.. He said, that as he
had stated on a former night the objects: of; his ma. ,
tion, it would not now be necessary-to explain them
very luinutely. - They would , chiefly comprehend
the great branches of the Military Administration:
che. offices at Barracks aid Ordnance, the Clem.
missartat and the Q,uartcr.master General's depart.
ments. There were several, other objecis to which
he wished this Commission to extend. By a Bill'
passed some years ago, the •inspeCtion of the Public
Accounts was taken from the Auditor's of. In-wrest
and vested in a Commission ; however well that
Commission had fulfilled its duty, 'yet, from the
length of the 'War, and the great increase of public .
business, it was impossible, to avoid large arrears,
an Curl which could not be avoided, unless- by sp.
poioting a fresh Commission to assist in bringing
up this ACcollnts. This was one object t another
was to examine into the expenditure of the public
money in the West Indies, to take measures for
recovering what was due, and for preventing the
recurrence of abuses in futurra—all which were now,
before the 11),ard of Treasury. Having thus briefly
stated the outlines•olhis plan, the Chancellor of the
Exchequer expressed his readiness to listen to any
huggcstions that might be made to him for the pur.
pose of rendering the Aerationso of it more effectual.
The result of such a COMI4;9IUn must be, that the
Public would have the satisfaClion of being assured,
either that no abuses existed in those Departments,
or if they. Unfortunately did existohat measures
Would be taken to corral theM. •
Mr. FITZG C R ALI) inquired whether the operation
of the Bill was gleans to extentl4o Ireland?,

The efaNCELLOTt of the El:envoi:nut replied,
that would be a subject of future discussion.
Et.t.tsoN asked if the War-Offices was to
be incladed ?
Mr. PtTr answered in the affirmative.
'sir Pont NEWPORT Wished to.know whether or
not the Commissariat of Ireland watt to be subje&
to investigation by this Commiasion, as well as that
of Great Britain ?

• Mr. PITT could give no positive answer. He
was not sure whether the same Commission would
serve for both Countries or. not. Ireland might,
perhaps, require a distind Commission.
Mr. FITZGERALD desired to be informed, whe.
Cher or not it was to he understood that a distina
CoMmission was to superintend the Military De-
partment of Ireland
Mr. PITT entertained some doubts if the same
Committee could undertake the management of bot,h
Great Britain and Ireland : local knowledge might,
perhaps, he necessary; but on this subject he had
not made up his mind.

"Mr. FOX said, that when any Bill. professing to
afford the means of examining into the expenditure
of the various departments of the State was intro.
duced, under such auspices as the present, A
unoer tife
auspices of the colleague of a delinquent who had
undergone - the severe Censure of Parliament, the
'House and the Country must lot k at the proceed-
ing with a considerable degree of doubt. Had it
been his fate to be connected, as the Right Hun.
Gentleman had lieen, with persons of the descrip.
non which he had before alluded to, he would have
taken especial care that any subsequent -Inquiry •
should be so emulated as not to afford his worst toe-
mita the slightest pretence to insinuate that he had
appointed the persons who were to judge of his own
c,rlud. He asked Gentlemeh fairy to say, whe.
ther they thought, had Lord Melville named the
Gentlemen who were to compose the Commission
of Naval Inquiry, we rthouid-haveheard any thing
of the Tenth Report or notie—lt was easy to apply
the answer to ..the present rase. He eainesily
hoped,• that before the 4111. was brought in, Gen-
ilemen would look about and consider well who
were, the proper persons to appoint in this new corn.
mission. • It ever there was a time in tehirth, re.
gaming" the pubic wellfare, they Ahoulcl.abarain from
paying compliment to the Right Hon. Gentle.
man; by listening to his: recorninandatiOn, it wai the.
present., With' regard to the objed to which the
Commissioners were to direa their attention, he
thought them too limited. They were to
he coo to the investigation of the Military
Department. But was this enough is—Did it not
appear from the Reports. of the „ Coirortissioners of
Naval Inquiry, that there existed absolute net•es.
si:y for an sotaminailoo :of the general Public E.
penditure of the Country, of Which the Naval' and
Military DepartMents- formed only two features?-.-
Was it out expedient to investigate the affairs of
the 'friasury I—Should this be deemed proper he,
should like to know .Wittim the Right 'Honourable
Geetlensati would select for-the task 1--He might,
perhaps, concave, that the Lords of the Treasury
were every way fit for it.---(A /sago). But let
not the Right Hon. Gentleman *slay this flattering
unction to his soul," that after what had passed in
that House, after the enormities that had already
been dragged to light,, the Pultlie would he satisfied
with the appointment of a Commission by himself,
to inquire lettothose brandies of the Ptiblio Ser.
vice with which he himself was immediately con.
fleeted., If he entertained this hope, he was con.
winced that he would find himself very seriously
Mistaken. ' •
Lard CASTLERE4CII contended, that his
Right lion. friend would be,th e last man to wish
for any interference in the appointment of a Com.
mission to investigate affairs in which he was him-
self concerned. Ilan individual, howeirero were to
be seletted, in the whole Country to whotothi's pow.
er might be entrusted without any apprehension of
dishonourable advantage being made of it, where,
he wished 'to' know, could any one be found in
whom such cnnfidence might be implicitly placed as
in his Right Hottourable li.riensi. He called on the
House to repel with indignation any imputation on
their 'honour, let it Cottle from what quarter it
might.o.-Would they endure to be told, that they
were willing to subjed themselves to the authority,
of any, individual, however pure his eherader, how.
ever high he might staid in their'estitnetion, from
the experience 01 many years during a peoindsaa cri.
deal and important as. ever occurred in the.annals of
the world I—As to 'observerions on the intended
regulations of the Bill, it Would be more proper to
deter them till the Bill was actually before the House.
Mr. Fox explained.
Mr. adverting to the :Nub)* Lord's cu.
logiunt clan his Right Hon. Friend's purity, as a
nister (which he dial opt mean to question), said, shot
it was by no means a novel ohaervation, that it hod
frequently happened under the administration ci a
person unsuspected of any contaminat ion of prioeiftler
that a gross corruption 'had been carried on in the
highest degree. detrimental to theSrate. If inch a
man, however he -might himself resist the icinotit-
tion.of pecuniary, advantage, lent his reputation,
arid connived atolie - peculation of others, he was
become' must highly culpable. The Noble Lord
would give. him leave to state, as a fair ground of
aeopicion, What.he _was not afraid openly to avow,
that there OM/ had been greater abuses committed
than during the -Ariministretion of the Right
Honourable. Gentleman, He trusted that the penons
about to be-appointed by ' the New commission
would fulfil the trust reposed in them with as
,much fidelity as the COMillibtliUnerS of 'Naval In.
sanity; and the cause of those abuses might then;
perhapr,
.be developed. The Noble Lord hail ex.,
picas's! himself with a warmth which reminded him
of the occasion a few years ago, when havingiteen
accused of-some irttliteet prattiees Jr! -Ireland, the
Noble Lord took fire, started up, and 'defended
ItimseW-strenuously, pronouncing an eloquent pane.
gyric on the independence and purity tat the Irish
Parliernerit ; but on the accusations being repeated,
With the additional citcumsteaces that he had been
the instrument of corrupting that Parliament,
, the 'Noble, Lord suddenly lost all his indignation,
and remained- silent, can the aubjed. Mr. GREY
here entreated the - Howe 'to recoiled that great
,abuses had been discovered in some departments of
the State; itronruu,Picions wcra anterteined that

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great - Ansel; fltisted in others; the people liners;
anxiously looking for a full, fair, and girl& inquiry,;
if in this they were disappointed, if they saw that
there was an evident design to frustrate their wialiei
by the appointment of an int`eiested Commissito, in-
stead of eotnpoiing their discontents, they would ius
highly exasperated, and the abaraeler of that

I-louse, which flaw stood so well with the Country,
would sill( into the detpw opprobrium.
Leave was then' given to bring in, the Rill, and
the Chancellor of the Exchequett, 'with the Attor.
ney and StAicitor Generals, were directed to pre.
pare the same.

LORD 11ELVILLE:
Mr. SPENCER ST el N HOPE, in moving for. •
he proceeding at Lew against 'Lard, Melville and
Mt. Trotter, thought he was only moving • what
was a corollary from the Resorutions the House h4L
already entered into. 'He hoped no one would sup.
pose it his wish to screen delinquents, or tfirow
dust in the eyes of the Pubic ; btat it had not yet
been proved that Lord Melville had any participa.
Lion in the prtifit of the public money, and for his ,
part he did not believe he had. 'This great fed,
I.)n which his criminality or innocence would .de.
pend, could be examined better by a court of law
than even a Committee of ihat Hattie. IF there
was no eorrOpt participation,- there • was no' guilt,
and therefore he could not be punished ctinsinally.
But as by law a trustee is not allowed tnmike pro.
fits of monies entrusted to him, so the profits
which were made of the public money ought to be
now recovered in a civil malen. He therefore
moved, that the Attorney` General- be ordered to
bring eetions against Lord Melville and Mr. Trot.
ter, far the recovery of the same.
Sir 8011 ERT BUXTON seconded the motion,
and constkleted that, except in question. respecting
,their own privileges, the House of Commons would
do well to refer the ex.iminationuf offences of this
;sort to the eolith of law.
Mr.:BANKS, differed frOm both the Hon. Gen.
denten, and thought it would have been much better
to have referred the question in the first instance to.
a Selea, Committee with large powers ; •but as that
mode was rejected, and there remained nothing now
but to consider whether -it was beat to proceed by
Civil AClion fur the recovery of the Money, or by
iminal Prosecution for the purpose of punishment,
he thought, when he coosidered. the great intrica.
cies and difficulties of settling
,these accounts by any
course of Law, and the'douhts of ultimate sticcess,it
would be better to have recourse to a Critninal
secution, for the violation of the Law, which as'
the very .essence and body of 'the crime, could be
very easily proved. He therefore moved, as an.
Amendment, that the Attorney. General, should be
direeted to commence a Crtininiii Prosecution.
IVLND.ILIM considered it perfettly clear,
that the best way of pcoreeding would have been to
have referred the whole matter to a Selett Cointnit.
tee, who could have taken the opinion of the Law
Officers in what manner the suit ought to be briught
with the best chance of succeeding in its objett.
They would have been able to ascertain whether
there-existed evidence sufficient .either to support a
civil ktibn, or a Criminal Prosecution. Since that
course was not taken, and the alternative lay merely
bitween the Civil Anion and the Criminal Prose.
ctition, he should give his vote tar the latter.
The. MASTER of the ROLLS thought it would
be easier to procure evide'nce sufficient to succeed in
the Civil. Anion, than to succeed.in the Criminal
Ptusecution to any beneficial attion. For if on a
prosecution there was evidence to prove a corrupt
participation, it could not be supposed . that the
Court ul King's Bench would inflict any' fine of such'
magnitude, as ha repay what might have been made.
At present, theme was no evidence at all such
participation, and he do not see that there, was any
reason to expect any. A Civil Adion was, there.
fore, the only one by which the Profits of the Mo-
hiecrnight be recovered for the Nation,
Di. LAWRENCE replied to the Master of the
Rolls.-

sir
.101 IN NEWPORT thought the recovery of
the money W 45 a paltrykinconsiderable ohjet l. when
comparLd with that of punishing the ofrendeis. He
did nut know that a criminal conviftion would in.
demnify them lig a civil ;Alan afterwards fur the
recovery of these pr4its.
Mr. FOX said his objea was, that Lord Melville
should in some way or other be prosecuted, and is
some way or ether be punished. At present he had
only to get for his Constituents and the Public the
best redress he could. He considered the question
of law so clear that he was not afraid of letting it
go to ktrial ; but he, preferred a criminal prostea.
clan to a civil afflon.
Mr. T. g'RENVILLE war also for a criminal
prosecution.
Mr. SHERIDAN took notice of. the mistake in
whiCh it appeared to him that the Mover had fallen;
he hadsaid that he did not believe that Lord Mel.
ville had pArticipated with Mr. Trotter (and cer.
tainly there was no evidence of such participation),
and yet he spoke of his being compellable to refund
by a civil iiction. If he had not participated, he
did not see itow he had become liable to refund. ff
he was inuocent of 40, corrupt partic;?ation, anti he
would'agaiß repeat that there was at .present nothing
like evidence of the ha, then lie thought a civil ma•
torn ought not to lie bronglit. If he were guilty, a
1 criminal proSCCUIIUII would as cumpletel; answer the
ends of justice ; but in either camthere most be pro.
duced such evidence as the Commissioners never had,
reapeding the corrupt intention, which alone would
I constitute the criminality.
MK. WILLIARIPO RC E supported the criminal
Altosecution, principally because the LaWyers had
declared that there would be very little chance in
a civil anion, and he thought in some shape or other
"the Public were entitled to justice.
Tkr 'CHANCELLOR cf arse BXCIfigUIR
acknowledged the Candoiar with which
an Honour.
able Member (Mr'. Sheridsri) had confessed that theca
was no evidence of participation.- , He Natal undo
stood, that after the heavy Wound which the Res°«
liaion at the House MO necessarily hive giveo to
the feelings of Lord Melville, it was not the inten.
tion of the I loose to iosii Lti‘e any vindidive prtie.
cutions against him.' On that ground principally he ,
supported the amendment. .
Mr. iritali READ could not allow that the re.
iivation of - ,rd Mziville was any vonhLocia,

°Ae;_i;,ir isteuld he cell it punishment if he and Mir.
,Tvittei ihould be obliged to refund what they had
goon or tne`rroperry of the Nation.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL considered that
the chance of evidence, and consequently of success,
in the civil altion, would be greater than in a pro.
stention.
Mr. TIERNEY considered that it would he on.
worthy of the character of the country to coin.
pound a business of this sort, and to tell the delin.
• quents, " give tis but our money hack again, and
we'll let you riff." He therefore was for the crimi-
nal prosecution.
Mr. Serjeant BEST spoke on the same side.
The question was then loudly called for, and the
House divided,
For tic motion
_Against it .
Majority for the Minister -95
Whilst strangers west excluded, we understand
the Report of the Committee to scrutinize the Bal-
lot for a Select Committee relative to the Tenth
Rgport was brought up. A motion of, adjourn.
wont was made on the Opposition side, on which
the !Joule divided,
For it
Against it
Majority ..
Some- discussion ensued on the names of the
Sr lest Committee, which ended in the debate being
postponed till to morrow, Mr. Whitbread having
given notice that he should move to expunge cer.
tain Names from the List.

223
128

. -

98
240

Vlr. VANAITiART moved, that an humble Ad.
dress be presented to His Majesty, praying that lie
would be. pleased to give direftinns that there be
laid before the House Copies of the Correspondence
bowcen the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and Mr,
justice Daly; and between the Lord Lieutenant and
'Lord !Chief justice Downes, respe4ting the State
Prisoners in the Gaol of Kilmainham,-,-Ordered. _

_ . .
T ; Mr. VAN . SITTART gave notice, that he should
tomorrow move to discharge an Order made some
time ago, upon the Motion of an Honourable Mem.
her, respening
,G4rne Licences in Ireland, and
aided, that he should submit a Motion to the House
upon the subj6ll.
Mr. ALtiCANDER brought up the Report of the
'Committee of the whole Mouse upon the Expedien.
cy Of allowing the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland to
borrow Money for the Repair of the Mail Coach
Roads ; which was agreed to, and a Bill ordered
accorAingly.
Mr. Ls's gave notice of a Motion to-morrow, for
leave to bring in a Bill for supplying Cities nod
Towns in Ireland with Water.

The Committee of YCrays and Means and Supply
were deferred.

Adjourned this Morning at TWO O'CLOCK.

To WA!. WILBERFORCE, Esq.

Ev it ay man who is anxious to preserve the Con.
atitution of this Country will rejoice to see its
tt,ergies exerted fur the purpose of preserving due
administration of afElirs, of rewarding merir, and

of exposing and polishing every malversation in
those, who are particularly entrusted with the 'care
of the Public interest. But, Sir; it is one thing to
detea misconduCt for the sake of Reform, and ano.
rher to expose and exaggerate it for the sake of
Party purpose. In the first case, the exposure dnd
the punishment go no further than the ,object re.
quires.—in the second, every thing is inflamed and
distorted.
Before the French Revolution commenced, the
People of Frsoce had perhaps some cause for trivial
dissatisfaCtion. The Demagogues of the day caught
• with delight their murmurs, and worked them tip
into the bitterest complaints, and (strange perver-
sion of language), the same terms were used to ex-
press their imaginary grievances under Louis
XVI. and their bitter sufferings under Roasts.
I. realty !---They have now only the consolation of
cuosidering how they could be such fools as former.
ly to have thought themselves oppressed.
ln this Countrl we have stdrered enough by the
Revolution—let us profit a little by its lei.
sll,t AbtOicti may exist under our own Govermnent
Vs, hat Institution is free from them ? just and &no.
detio- men wi I say, " wherever they are detetted,
cot, it than;" but elways let it be remembered
!hat there are Enemies to your whole Institution,
to whom the existence' of abuse is the aubje6t of joy
and of clamour, but to whom the corration of it is
* mortal blow. Such men set about, not the
provement of what is defeCtive, but the eitaggera.
tion of it:-not the punishment of the offender, but
the magnifying the offence. Their purpose is to
make you believe that the miscondott which is de.
tied in one, exists in all--that the whole system
is radically bad—that there is no Care but in Ira
tieStradiioll. This plan succeeded in France—let
tit take care that it does not succeed in this Country
am very far from excusing the condad of Lard
Mew/ tt.t.s, I think it is not to be justified bus
:here is more of negligence in it than of vvilful
abuse, and I cannot think it deserved tha'aeverity
esi your censure ; but, whatever it hi', the mistorr-
dutt has been punished, •and 'the evil ought to be
prevented for the future. ..M..lce it then the subjeel
pt Legitilative provision, of just and' beneficial re.
form, but no at inine of Party—Principiis oirta!
The French 'Revolution' Irgan with as little Apra.
rent cause.—Those who are known- to be hostile to
;lie Constitution, who sunk their diminished heads
whew Mr. Fox' at Irnstb, and (Altera. disclaimed
Jacobi/firm, have again reared them. I recommend
this 6,esideration to your attention—you, I have
no doubt, mean well—so slid the Doc DI LA
!WAIF YOUCAiLLT, and many of the list French Ite.
V,-lotionists ! but they paved the way fur others
s, 1,0 never could have acted without them, but who
t 4, sooner ;let .ti with them than they destroyed those
who had giver) them the 'rneans of archon. Mr. Fox
s, " l'e has At last found a nail that drive,
and that he will drive it :o the utmost." What he
Ileitt,s by this elegant metaphor it is not very difficult
ro guess ; but are you disposed is hji the sooner
s.p:As this proilion ? Are you disposed, at the
,lerent ',nit it ',form Parliontla I' 35 It
as
u '
calla th 'volt . 4:.Pawnolailftl or
P
to '1161.44it flritrittariri"to your lawful Giverv.
PS roUtition rsidmetitan ,f d

( Ittvaiity Mr. ex, it may
.be said, meant
only to correet,abuses, and for this purpose he puts
in requisition Common. Halls and Common.Coun.,
oils, and County Meetings, and Majfir
wRIGHT, Mr. CLIiFORD, Mr. WADDINGTOSI
?4C. &c, and do you really believe that all this
is necessary for such a pnrpose ; that no personal
disaleintment enters into this aelive patriotism ?
Depend upon it, Sir, there is no more useful
lesson to be taught at the present moment, thin
that suspicion is not,prosf—nor accusatiox, guilt;
that the punishment should not exceed the of.
fence ; that the same *power which easily sets the.
torrent in motion, strives in vain to check its de-
struelive rage.
You are accused of taking a strong part against
Lord Mt 1, VI LIA from the love of popularity ; but
I think I may venture to affirm, that in you, even
the gratification of this passion will be restrained by
the (bastes of conscience—Popularity is a Goddess
of universal admiration, but of most dangerous
courtship—lf well avoo'd, and honestly obtained,
she may remain with you for life—but if, in your
suit, you outstrip the Auld bounds of propriety, or
take unlawful means to possess her (to which stsme.,
times she appears to offer temptation), she will dig.
dain your addresses, and quit you at the very mu.
ment when you think the is most safe in your pos.
session.—l am, Sir,

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THE SUN.

30LEM eUIS DlCltitli lALSUM AUDIAT,?

LONDON,

TVIIIDAY, APRIL 30,. 1505.

Liar night a very interesting Debate took place

in the House of Commons, upon the production of
the Papers moved for by Sir A.S. HAmoNa, in con.
sequence of the reficetions thrown upon his COndud

in the Eleventh Report of the Commissioners of
Naval Inquiry. The Eleventh'" Report seemed to

imply that the Ilan. Baronet, as Comptroller of tho
Navy, had issued Money for the performance of a
Secret Service, without having commuelicated the

transaCtion •tl Lord Sr. VINCENT. then First
Lord of the Admiralty. Sir A. liatacto, naturally
anxious `for the vindication of his own cliaratler,
moved for the produetionof the Papers in question;
which were yesterday laid before the Haute of
Commons. It appeared from those Documents that
the lion. Baronet hail, upon the perusal of the
Eleventh Report, applied to the Naval Commie.
sioners to be re-examined, fur the purposOof giv.
ing a full explanation upon those points in which
his charaCter was implicated. After a delay of se:
venteen days, Sir A. Ilmaoop received an Answer
from the Commissioners, stating, that their Report
having been laid before the three Branches of the
Legislature,they cLuld nut comply with his request.
Sir A. then wrote to the Admiralty, explain.
ing the whole of his conduit, and referring to the
Documents upon which his Statements were footled.
This Letter and these Documents were the Papers
yesterday laid before the House of Commons, It
was evident horn these Papers that ford Sr.-- Vitt.
c INT was apprized generally of the transadion, be.
cause the Letter from Lord BUCEIWOHAMSHIRE to
Sir ANURSW, containing fill MAJESTY'S CM.
mantis to the Comptroller of the Navy to advance
the Money necessary fur the Secret gapedition
then going on, which money was afterwards
to be repaid by the' Treasury, was trans' ittetl
by Sir ANoesw to Lord Si. VINCENT. HIS
Lordship, in reply, after stating that be had .no
doubt but that the Serviee would be well perform-
ed, added, that as the Service was not to be paid
for out of the Navy Money, it was not necessary to
lad the Details before the Admiralty. Mr. Fox,
Mr. GREY, and Mr. Trexisiv, contended that
Lord Sr. VINCENT did not mean to say before the
Commissioners, 'that he had no knowledge of the
trans:tertian, but merely that he hid no knowledge
of the issue of the particular sum. Mr. VANSIT.
TART and Mr. 11011110 USE expressed great 641.
tislatliun at the explanation given by the Friends,
Of the Noble Earl, as from the Evidence it.
self it appeared to them that the Noble Earl
meant to deny that he had any knowledge of
the transaftion in general. With respect to Sir
'A. Its.tuorio, it was admitted on all sides, that the
Papers produced had removed every possible suspi.
cion from his canduCt. •

Mr, SrZtICEIL STANItopz aftervi4rds, purse.
once of his Motion, moved,

i‘ That the Attorony.Gcneral be dircacd to take !itch
stew; as to Jilin shall sci;in by law tlic beat, for !III.: purpose-of
tccuvcruig such Siutui ut tiiL: Public Aloncy as trii4lit
to Out Public by-Viscount Melville unit Al r, Trotter, par-
ticularly those isub4quclit to the Ist 'ut lanuary. t 736."

Mr. BANKS gy,ved, that instead of instituting
Civil Process, the ATTORNET.GENRRAL should be
dirdted to prosecute generally. The original Mo-
tion, which wag supported by Nil.. Pi it, wae'carried
/-4, 443 W I:A—leaving a Majwity of 9a