The Sun.
London, England, 1834-04-28 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,

THIS DAY, MONDAY, APRIL 28•

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the chair at a quarter past twelve
o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
On the motion of Mr. WILLIAMS, the Dorchester
paving, lighting, &c. bill, was read a third time and passed.
The Bermondsey Improvement Bill was read a second
time. Several petitions against it were presented byMajor
Beauclerk, Mr. Hodges, Mr. Briscoe, and Mr. Hum- =
phery. Mr. Briscoe also presented a petition from the in-
habitants of Bermondsey, praying for leave to bring It
I
another bill. .
Sir J. OSWALD presented a petition from the city,
and one from the suburbs of Glasgow, against the Glas-
gow Water Works Bill.
The LORD ADVOCATE presented a petition from
Edinburgh against the Trinity Harbour Bill.
against.Alr. HthUeAlsPoHutEhßLYonpdroensenmtredatear pWoretitionks Efriori, Laraint
foeutlr'
others in favour of the same. .., _ .
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Mr. RIPON brought up the report of the Conimitte
on the Newcastle Water Works Bill.
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clauses in the Edinburgh Police Act. - the
Bill.
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Marine
Insurance Company's Bill.—Akreed to and pas df
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Mr. HUGHES HUGHES brought tip the.reporti,b
the Committee on the Folly or Friars' Bridge Bill, :ti,'
certain amendments, which were ordered to be engross" -
THE DORCHESTER UNIONISTS. „as
The SPEAKER wished to take the sense of the Mils
to whether the debate should be resumed on the agricultu-
rat petition presented by Mr. Cartwright on Friday' or
rat
whether the morning should be occupied in disposing -
the petitions relative to the Dorchester. unionists ? ,
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It was agreed that the first should be laid on the to
and the latter be received.
Mr. HUAIE held four petitions in his hand on the
subject of the Dorchester convicts, praying fort he
mitigation of the too severe sentence passed on th?st)
'unhappy men. The petitions come from Newcastle'
upon-Tyne, Dundee, Lochloch, and Belfast. The the;
f Alliance
pressions of the petitioners were very strong;
contended that the legitimate privilege of protecting tn,sc,ti
only property, labour, should not be limited or punis"
by the law ; especially when the convicts, now under n't
mshment, were ignorant of the rigour of the law on tlite
particular subject—and their ignorance, arising from tit
heavy taxes on knowledge, by which they v;e,r
prevented from purchasing the acts of Parliament',
The hon. member (Mr. Hume) coincided with the onl
of the Combination Act in the year-824, it was
tents of the petition, and considered that since the repena.!
veryanicii a
just to inflict so heavy a punishment on those nie,nnrdb was
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punishment that defeated the object of the la, wi
e e for y
always to promote order rather than take veng -anc
re-
crime. The effect of too great a punishment was the.ew.
verse of the intention that any legislature had in V'
He, therefore, supported the petition most warmly. .n .
Mr. WARBURTON presented a petition from the I
habitants of a place in the county of Dorset, to the sate
effect. He understood that the learned judge by wilt
these unfortunate men were triedhad expressed a doubt as ,--
whether or not the law applied to their case. That had been
denied by the right hon. the First Lord of the Adlni
ralty, who stated that the judge had no doubt as to the 'flaw
but as to the quantity of punishment to be inflicted- ""e
eth
(Mr. W.) understood that the former statement was
more correct one. ick,
Mr. AGLIONBY presented petitions from Kesr teci
signed by 370 inhabitants, and from Cockermouth, 5
t424the
by four hundred of the operatives of that borough, u
same effect. rad"'
Colonel EVANS regretted the conduct of the t but
unions in marching in procession on Monday
cof the
doubted right to look for higher
On that occasion. He thought the members
one
trades' unions were extremely misled ; they had
an
they'
bore testimony. to their peaceable and proper lasot'nduct
did not apply themselves to the real causes of , Thu
tress, which were, the taxation on consumption, and at
corn laws. He would not hesitate to say elsewhere In.
he said there, like other individuals who sought popul .
applause rather than the public good. (Hear, Itii.of
He hoped the government would interfere on beh
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the Dorchester convicts, as the punishment was gre'''''
disproportioned to the offence. Mme
Sir S. WHALLEY presented a petition, sign
' 3,000 respectable householders of Marylebone to the 4
effect. The hon. member complained of the harshn!ss.f.l,
wages, but ,9,
the sentence. If the trades' unions abstained from Inn
fering in politics, and were under proper regulation
,tpy.
would be most beneficial to the country, and do aa;7_.i")
great mecsure with the necessity for poor laws. (11 .7ti,',o
Mr. EDWARD L. BULWER presented a Pe' The
from Stokesby and its vicinity to the same effect..e
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hon. member complained of the absence of the nobl '1:
his place on that mew' ion. hon. mein-
Sir with those
Sir G. STRICKLAND
this was a most proper
bPrs who had already spoken, that
the Under Secretary who he thought should have been ~'
ed .1
with the hon. member for Dublin (Mr. O'Connell), that,
the conviction was legal. But where it was a matter a ,
such doubt, he thought it would be most unjust and jinn
case for the extension of the royal mercy ; still he agre f
litic in his Majesty's Ministers to press the punishment .
these unfortunate men. (Hear, eon this
vini ct
convictedi
hiso l iin
conscienceptha ri this i
the law officers of the crown ought to be present
laugh) or at least one of his Majesty's Ministers,
hottilsen
their conduct was under the consideration
of th
th to°oMr. GODSON thought that on this occasion cr.!!
He contended that, in the strict letter of the law,
the
sentence, was the judge to inquire into the politics
coat 0
ecsa:heoer thoughtwwasas hpeer
thetfoecat'lcvyrai lrmedge adl suchm ax i( Then,ipunished :e
ci of
i theitte
however, he strongly condemned the course purse ssioi, of
trades' unions, he thought that the strong' o"lige house
feeling on the part of the country ought to induce
to thus"
to endeavour to procure an extension of toe" -:

men. to the °liiPit- 1
Mr. F. O'CONNOR said that with respect he co
niou of the hon. and learned member for Dublin; . „t
inform the hon. baronet, the member for Yorksnirtitat eine
that hon. and learned member was now of oPinic'tnese
conviction was illegal. He maintained that t the airt
could not legally be indicted under the Act nr9 the' 11e
'
thority of which they were convicted. Besides' ost
had fallen into disuse, and it would therefore be le'"ht case
just to enforce it, more particularly in the Pres _I
which was the first instance of its revival. the
ler,
Mr. FINN said it would neither be justnest.
authorities nor the convicts to entertain this qtibee csif,
matter of law, but the sole question was whether, alt
of the men in question had not been too harshly L_Litte atteii
and whether the government ought not to give s"
of
tion to the case with a view to extend mercy. thootot
Mr. HARDY said he agreed with the sen ere >° ,v
Mr. Justice Lawrence, that these trades' unions° the 'of
dangerous to the community ; undoubtedly 34 creatte
stood at present men might unite to obtain an nithoia°th .ir
wages, but the object of these unions was not to
in°the masters, but to compel other journeymen to JLilis4"..;
conduct and to become subservient to their views.4,slll'2;
the trades of the whole of the West Riding of 1,
d these
were to assemble, not for the purpose of betternirtaitiP
condition, but by their own advertisement to intit,y
union
ifhnteiho government.eny
hand-bill,
nd dn-obti
Itlu r: a
noTffdh
workmen
tLeedst
h e
samepwa pheor
dstiimdreenpoorttbeedio:bciae°t;:e.
stances in which masters were threatened with vel,l'tetr,t
union. ( Hear, hear, hear.) He had receiretrolt:so
morning a letter from a person enclosing they blef
not to disclose his name, as he would becomiTPfll°fltl lietftet'itt
revenge. Could such associations be harmless • oug';e•
case, indeed, must be made out before the house ,eotr tri-
call upon the government for any alteration in t'a,e- 6,,05a
Mr. A GLIONBY thought that the house ',,-;lsi-
bunal for the presentation of such a petition ioto c" coe,
that his Majesty would take the subject of itorioe le'
deration. He wished some hon. member wen' Vett hi
specific motion on the matter before the inniseiscos.si;t
gality of the point was not a proper topic for e
that house ; but the mitigation of the sentenc,be ler
well justified by the fact that doubts existed on beet
of it by very great lawyers. the jos
Mr. LLOYD observed that the law 501'0101
was, he apprehended, very doubtful, an of `,:tlist
a palliating circumstance in the crime stielet`has•e
those men were committed. It should prr%
toot oe
while eminent authorities differed on it, labonregear. )
been ignorant of such a law existing. (d judge pro-
did not impute anything to the learne otte,rt tale
tried those men, for he perhaps had not the it teigo oietit
perly represented to him. A wrong version of c,everntrieti•
lead a judge ; but he blamed his MajestYs Jose ione,
in not showing some leniency towards saes'
to pot
The honourable member was opposed to tr far wet.°
still he would not stretch the law t°°•atie, le that'
them down. (Hear.) The voluntary B'l-1041. pro'
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perfectly justifiable; coercion was the only
to their
to his mind, attached a criminal nature
At - ether"
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