The Sun.
London, England, 1833-02-28 00:00:00

l'hY is en
isatijest Y Lord Holland did—my Lord Holland,
!tabs' 7 Xnis'ers, u„
on the proposition ot con-
,s,teinlitimm-art,:i ill?. Ireland-1 wll not Ike him, speak
t 4 old)), i •s a costa which, unaer no circum-
a tgootr, ,a'allY ado s d
" a -aeuonl i ' Pe. ;—I will net spe,k of it as
sa_,;!ltrara.
~ ) )), passim and caprice. But I say,
01'14 ofi 'nu mors humane and honourable men
leitiatii'lntiet ecearamd" not exist Yet, how with all their
sissaiZtvllica ~,,uuith('f "Pin.ion—how with that. spirit of
t:dil fflatet,lis atiltiaey them is a principle of virtue—how is
can be impartial juages in poli-
Ina' tale i offences of insubordination ? If there
fZinshirthse4lo,ltil.e, world more proverbially gentle and
„,, la s anther, it was Major Wyndham—the
ailiti atnerain •
Mad. cal off e 8 memorable case ;—and if
iiiii leAtii)n eness—offences of even supposed
ill jlee, h, Paseion could lead even such a man
life 1 operatev c'n you hope that the same causes
1(1444'4 of t" produce partial bias against pea-
taair?batdie . the same offences of political audaci'y
tat, ill this 'hall to their su et' r ') But how mucii
4' et Une°,BCin . •p• ")
s .•
lilts, eoesoica, us more dangerous
,attratte to asa-,' he increased by actual events ? Tee
tt,'ttee th ''Bt the police in conflicts with the people
t,th'ilictsilsts:ytziato judg. e the people ; they are w be
, a tt, e pssttas 3, and on the Bench to-morrow ;
:tabs' the ,t1„_,"" of antagonists—they are expected to
i4g,11,41 is th'7,,er,ation of Judges. Why, Sir, what sort
h.j,(ii yotil . This impartial—'his cool—this on-
iso4 of th 'IY that these officers are free from the
'illittittrit e Magistrates. It is an error—it is with
5 tt„':liiqici"---svitla the provincial gentry—that they
IN atry, tYi:bil• From whom cmn they, ignorant of
inist, e information but from those'peisons with
ill
4.11
eyel) brin
„, -g8 them 'in contact ? They will see
itit.lhanet,": th, Magistrates—it is their opinion they
itaslttisi end,e according to their p irtialities will they
liit,l,ll4te sit n' I beg Hon. Members to mark this—
tqt‘Od, to
float to suspend the Constitution, to inflame
lira 41 at. atrage all liberty, fur the sske of appointing
he lo 'el, do
.. tt. adjud es not possess the requisite qualities
ihilto ili erige the offence—which does not meet
es.itila Iles't for which alone you ask us to ap-
,ttlifY, 11,.,,0eute laws only touched, only threatened
atui,i'areett:o 1(1 recoil from so terrific a precedent ;
traisiitisu ced the innocent also. If
you suspend the
s 'lto ' You .
o, ea suspend it for all alike—you make no
tier it,1:11 surnh,tlie dreaded ban of general excommunica-
ith o tof . Jeet the innocent and the guilty alike to
11,1,"4, tlitlic""B--to the arbitrary perils of suspicion—
a a 41 4, uncertainties of terror in which every man
a as at of a, .
'etttmlae or "la neighbour. You give temptation to
at tanar ' Private revenge—you give a field to all
tai;,,llithY, all the malignant, all the individual mo-
pe 4 on ars ever brought a , ims, into operation by the sus-
os,,i3otof. ' and the insecurity of political freedom.
tot: Roe Petitioning—is that the right of the guilty
't NI l'.y do not the innocent grievance's to compl is of?
h'eq4tiiitia j." Pass your remedial measures ? Why
'tots', ‘ta,,','e Church ? Why do you amend the Jury
inCeot oil "" you allow that these are but the corn-
aaNtr'e Ate More comprehensive redress ? You allow
.'ettPle'lll th„:.reat grievances remaining, and you take
: t' ot. tii,'- who endure them the simple privilege of
''ly ef D°',' that law touch the guilty alone? Does
.ost.jkaissateibly invading houses by night, where you
; tolil siTetntlie inhabitant—does that touch the guilty
laattaest this law was in force before, men turned
'atiht.iss,d I,arful purposes ; it was not the peasant
La iisi7 in his own person—he was outraged in
tarohi, or his wife. It was a law that operated
if t'g landlord, but for the daring violatar—
°l the security of property, but against
sacred than even property itself. It was
irei, of Chia state of things that the Chief
I, 4"--a man whom I name with all
i, authority of weight, I presume, with the
' titleman c i , , •
, pposat—said in his address to
Le remembered the date of the summary
pct, and the still snore summary courtinar-
h'tla description could convey an adequate
thsn,i r 're that then existed. And by whom
g these horrors, of which no description
tit'qu it
and e e notion, are to be reviv. d ? By the
+°f ,
onit2litened Ministry that, with respict
~ilssitiral aid, this empire bas ever known—
' ''''', in times of greaterdanger —times
'ut ot war—not of robberies, but ot rebel-
s' -'t' and boldest, and loudest against the
as e la! very laws tI ey Row call upon us to pass.
44417. for exercising new correions, at the
4el), by our new experiment of concilia-
vnaually declared that seven centuries of
beep
unavailing. Why, Sir, nut embrace
trolt of the Right Hon. Gentleman ? Why
ats;stiaa restrit of that experiment ? Why riot
lien ersequence of our new , measures of Re-
Vs's t'ar.) I am sure that no people on
lllieiZth can be governed by the system his
et, propose. To-day concession—to-
This quick alternation Of kicks and
la-Ler'axing with the hand, and spurring
if Alt this system, at once feeble and exaa•
"wing the justice ot complaint, and yet
'of - holding cut hopes and fear., terror
es' all in a breath—is a system that renders
otod al 51ik.......n0t tamed but savage..-j 8 a srm.
he , !t', ake the moat c:edulous people dist, oat-
' ai,,444'4 at people ferocious —(Hear. ) Your
a 1.
Ili
,rlrelau.i. I allo , it is no easy matter.
,tut,,,01. IY . civii,zA people- is united under tlie
theta'n With one ls prosperous ad less en-
'', of Government is tin sinecure. We
'I "tatesuten, in such a case, look not only
'Ores, but to the complex and varied state
at 4 ?It whom the measures must operate.
the Cats lnio two parties—the Protestant aristna ,
lic population. You must govern
„Its :_r other of these parties, unless by a hap-
b " procure the united confidence of both.
aio Proputied by his Majesty's Ministers, in-
sy gyofluiends of either party, makes enemies of
)1,,,, r measures of Church conciliation you
ge aristocracy—by your measures of mill-
i Yoe
sr
..0 incense the body of the people—you pass
id accePt it:;aunr power in both parties—you make one
sans t sa - .jitt Can anything be less politic or less
get tii4ou throw away the conciliatory mea-
t' ,
oPmiet, ~Yota sy.,,a odium for them, and not the gratitude.
..se'llri'"t ' 1--if you pass these laws, I warn you
be ~To •lth epi. .
obv 0'441, Of '4
'ain• You can never counter balance
't al,'tss i, i - 4th people this attack upon the
41ja. ,i,,,eirt to t hs"Wea,,. -.r.) No individual re-
tail diti'le t, tial • - • or content a nation
sia`l? to tit 41sikti '4 be much wiser
mi, ,m 1
for raft lit 4 ad contra-
tsol ; tatt a• hes -oght
,st, oda', fat lars4:loiss
see ° tfil la la"ltt .
is , ik' 4, 1 his ..,
_or. 111 k rtu, the stern.-
" a' tt, N 'et,
il N t'if Y' liable to be to.,
dr , afi_or. tlli same manner as oath...
eqU'sorsiitt'ttlatttti liability. There was anos_
4bl tbi ith44 4 ko :3' be noticed. It bad been eta,
do' k!tt 1, oe, ass :Y
might become members of ca-
-00,,t Itii %
'OO this last° liable to be influenced in their judgments.
es` 1 41j,1% than he knew the spirit that actuated young Oa.
, l sitital ts,4 army ; and he would say, that any effort made to in..
tio.4/I''‘ A: 4a ,1 teem would completely fail. He would conclude by °la-
d si ise l" ili test
sat as I,i litt, N serving, that he was opposed to the principle of martial
rob`'
theit kilt, tile law, and that nothing but the greatest necessity could first pa.
sif aha to
jet tl''' t 9 It compel him to vote for such ame stare as the present. It of lox-hmatia.,_
ar r 1,, ktl 4 was his opinion, however, that if the proposed Bill was him often in contact
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If ' Ikal' has htit not carried, it would be the first stone thrown at the benighted in the most
°6Pelaleo,4 1,4 il,t*voi 41.41,44,, separation of the two countries. occasionally he lost his way, but .
, co it, tkt Mr. GROTE rose and said, that it was not without into the most wretched cottages to as.
,he e q tt, srs
considerable reluctance he presented himself to the notice stock, the seat of Mr. Tighe (where he res..
offe° 4 reNtl 4 fete'
oei" t ,:4,,,,,,4,, of the House. He could not help, however, commenting he named either that gentleman, or Mr. Pow..__
sed "i'ai on a measure which the Noble Mover of it himself had de kenny, he always found those name's a passport. ho
'1 signated as arbitrary and despotic. He ought, perhaps, to sure that many Irish Gentlemen in that House would bear
have given the precedence to some Irish Member, better him mit in saying, that there was no better landlord nor I cast.
acquainted with the question before them than he was, and better man in Ireland—( Hear, hear)—than the Mine Mr. nature m,-
snore interested in it. His plea would be, that he felt upon Tighe. He would prefer being benighted in Ireland at in the country.
the question, and on the present occasion, that he was as that time, than in many parts of England. This was in _ ono
mt.
ha d connectedboei l with ._
ishman. Such waslB29. But then came 1830 and
much an Irishman as an En his lB3l, when the Noble f
were poor farinaers man of i-
gllabourers, s.
feeling, and he hoped that it would be, as it ought to be, Lord now at the head of the Woods and Forests vacated persons. The blood would tan cola
the feeling of every English Member in that House. As his seat on account of taking office. Till that time agita- these outrages. If this were the liberty for .
Louis the Fourteenth said formerly to his grandson, when tion had not reached the county of Kilkenny ; but soon able Gentleman contended—(Hear, hear)—w..
sending him into Spain, ‘4 My son, recollect that there afterwards tbe county was overrun with agitators not be- vernment was charged with a desire to overthrow—is .
exists no longer any Pyrennean mountains, so he would longing to the county, who endeavoured to rouse. the people that its advocates were to do what they chose, and murder ta,
, to petition for the repeal of the Union. At his former elec. who thought differently, then the Ministers must plead guilty ma..
recollect that there existed no longer any Irish Channel
of a desire to re
and draw no line of distinction between the two coma. tion, the Noble Lordwas drawn in his carriage by thepopulace pr ess such liberty; but if by liberty be meant
then protection of the well-disposed, call the Billbwha.t you outrages
tries. Ile made no distinction, and he felt as much for ten miles, from Thomastown ; but now the tenantsthem were acs_
interested in the happiness and prosperity of Ireland, who voted for the Noble Lord were waylaid on their re- despoticfor theor arbitrtairoyn,
olifelinmetutst cmonittesndtnitestt
eihtarma,acs.
der their feet : ant,
as he did in those of England. There was no dif- turn home from the election, many of them were cruelly House that these gros.
v'ctealrlc.'ulait'lese House were to abouyt, the Insurrection Act.
ference in his sympathy—it extended equally to both maimed and beaten, souse had their farming utensils de- meet them and paustkedthemfoto.w.as n
Why, the Insurrection Act was already in force, in parts of
sides of the Channel. Having made these few remarks, stroyed, and their orchards cut down, merely because Ireland. It was complained that people would be shut up the
lives Governmentand
properties of the 'Well u
he would now say, that in spite of the respect he felt to- they voted for the Noble Lord ; who, though formerly in their houses after nightfall. Why, so they were now—but
wards the quarter from whence the projected measure came, most popular, became thus odious because he would not it was under the authority of an irresponsible body of the for
rdthe That view was strengthened by .the o .
had horrified tlemen who sat last year in the Committee ittee tops i'nqsn.
he could not give it his approval. It contained, he grunted, support the agitators in their call for the repeal of the whitefeet—(Hear, hear, hear)—and with this additional grass_ tlemen
of the Queen's County, which was composed of gent..
Hear, ) Circumstances were then changed, and sore,
hthraii,treonpduenrhdteayr,
athnedstehantocoetfacihnriicsaulfalmegislations no man could
of the most liberal opinions, and which, after referring t‘.
some wise and tutelary provisions ; but, taking it as a Union.—(
whole, he considered it as unlikely to attain tbe end for it became dangerous to be out late; and at list Mr. Power le,aevendis house, after nightfall without endangering his oHwins
these outrages, expressed in the strongest manner the ne- so„,
which it was destined. He had listened patiently to the —though formerly a most popular man—told him, that
throughi any cessity of having something stronger than the existing law to meat; ta
family.—(Hear, (Ilteaerv,ehraelaro.n)trages
long catalogue of Irish enormities which the Noble Lord be hoped that he (Captain Barclay) would not go nut in dstattWde
house.
Hmsetaonitessotasnley)
would not give protection to the lives and property of the people. The their proceedm,
Committee say— to the wishes of b._
opposite had laid before the House. Such a catalogue con- futurei after the hounds; for if he did, the loss of his life
more of such dreadful details, except some
'ln adverting to the late • chievous Associations in the
taro, o nothing new to him, as it was not the first time be would be the consequence. Nor did it end there; for
igwcNio-othonbircilaheect ea with the appalling murder of Mr. Hooson. Th ea political one. That a..
Queen's Count the ti lime 'Of NV hiteleet, and the frequent
had heard th it the Irish were a lawless people, who shortly afterwards Mi. Power'.' hounds were stoned to reverend deceased had been shot in the open day at about a recurrence of similar Associations in other parts of Ireland, the motives he was perfectltyic. as-
were not to be bound down by courts of justice. They death. Did 'he Heuse think that this outrage WAS corn- hundred yards from his own house—he was a man of the most
tCo'ormeemolinttme%aildthough impressed litshhtoluleirirnmalgestidisinclaati,mimen t,,,,,'vril,,tleenot;ifihremrednoimn
hfiosr.;:nionn by time km,
clam.-
ever had been a 1-,wless people, and the Noble Lord luit'ed because Mr. Power was a harsher man, or a worse benevolent heart, and had been guilty of no crime but that of parture from the lessetwabilTsvheyd constitutional rntile( oerleaew,
_when gentlemen' who occupied the Dim prominem _
had not sufficiently dwelt upon that fact. It the Noble landlord than he was formerly? Ni. It was committed collecting that tithe which was his sole support—he was they see by experience so much crime has been committed, and
Irish bar. If they de?iseted from the law at all, it w.
so much injury sustained, from time to time, from these Aaso.
Lord had done so, then it would be for them to examine merely because he voted for the Noble Lord. He could nearly eighty years of age.—(Hear, hear, hear.) This Rey.

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