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LONDON,
MONDAY EVENING, MAY 96, 1834.

We confidently anticipate the happiest result
to the negociations going on at present respect-
ing the appropriation of Irish tithes, and trust
that the business will be arranged without any
division of the cabinet ; but though division
might delay, it cannot possibly prevent, the
settlement of a measure which is alike called
for by justice and sound policy. The present
state of the Irish Catholic Church is without
a parallel in the history of the world,
and can be accounted for only by the
dependence of Ireland on Great Britain, the
hostility excited in the minds of Protestants by
the cruelties of former times, and the natural
wish of the predominant party to retain wealth
and power to the last extremity. Had Ireland
been a separate kingdom, Catholicism would
have been the established religion of the coun-
try centuries ago, for the best reason in the
world—that it is the religion of the inha-
bitants. That is the rule by which the
question is settled in every other civilized
country ; and it is clear it can be settled
by no other. If the religion of the few
is forced on the many, discontent, disobe-
dience to the laws, and an unceasing ha-
tred of constituted authorities, are the natural
consequences, and these will continue to thwart
and harass any government, however powerful
in means, or determined in character. It is
this source of discontent that has contributed,
more than all her other grievances together, to
render Ireland a constant object- of jealousy
to this country,and one almost unvaried scene of
plots, rebellion, and bloodshed. Ask Russia—
ask any government, the natural enemy of free-
dom, and consequently the enemy of England,
what course she ought to pursue towards Ire-
land, and the answer, if such a government
durst speak out, would be—continue to refuse
the people their just rights, continue to make
the inhabitants of one-third of the empire a distinct
and outcast race, and above all continue to op-
press and proscribe their clergy, and we care alike
for your hostility and your friendship. The
Protestants of France never became reconciled
to the Government till all odious distinctions
were abolished ; the Swiss Cantons never be-
came cordially united till there was a legal pro-
vision for both Protestant and Catholic Clergy ;
Scotland was ever hostile to England till the
religion of the people• was the religion of the
country. And are we to expect that Ireland
will be satisfied, while she is the only
nation on earth in such an anomalous
state ? Place her on something like an equal
footing with Scotland, and, as the great body
of the people of the United Kingdom are Pro-
testants, let all the high functionaries still be
Protestants ; but let the clergy—the choice of
the people, be-paid out of the funds originally
intended for the Church. Till this is done
Ireland will never become a peaceful or
civilized country. It is said that some
of the Ministers, (and one in particular,)

hostile to Mr. O'CoNxELL, are opposed to
any such appropriation of church property
but we have too much confidence in the good
sense, the ability, and impartiality of that dis-
tinguished statesman to believe that he will
allow personal feeling to stand in the way of
the only measure calculated to make the union
of the two countries complete.

We do not quarrel with oppositioiV-being
given to a bill when the object is to make a
perfect law. But we cannot help blaming (we
had almost said reprobating) the spirit in which
opposition has been made to the Poor Laws
Amendment Bill. We had hoped there was
not a single member of Parliament who was not
thoroughly aware of the mischiefs springing
from the abuses of the Poor Laws, and who
would not have lent his best assistance to the
removal of these manifold evils, the enormity
and extent of which may be estimated from the
mere fact that, in eighty years, the sums laid
out in what is miscalled the relief of the poor
in England and Wales, have swelled from less
than seven hundred thousand pounds to up-
wards of seven millions per annum ! But we
have been disappointed ; and we augur painfully
for the well-being of the country from the bad
spirit and bad judgment that have been shown
in discussing this bill, even though the exhibi-
tion has been confined to men of inferior note.
The attempt, however, has failed of producing
excitement by clamouring against a power un-
known to the constitufion. The people know
that the constitution of their country cannot
operate for good if it cannot put down evil.
Notwithstanding that there has been more than
the usual measure of outcry about liberty, (as
if there could be liberty without morality, upon
which these abuses have made frightful inroads)
that too has failed. Imperturbable good hu-
mour, and unshaken firmness of purpose, are
alone necessary to enable Lord ALTHORP to
put down, by being thus proof against, the yel-
pers by whom he is assailed. And these being
qualities for which his lordship is remarkable,
we are quite sure that they will not forsake
him on the present occasion. We consider it
matter of great regret that there never was one
where he had more need of them. But they
are the only things needful. The country is
quite satisfied that these abuses must be put
down, and will be grateful to Lord ALTHORP
in proportion to the trouble given him in doing
what is necessary to put them down.

The French Papers of Saturday contain no
particular news. It was expected that the dis-
solution of the Chamber of Deputies would be
announced in the Moniteur of yesterday, and
that the new elections would commence on the
21st of June. The Ministers are confident
that the result will be favourable to them, as
the electoral law'will always insure a majority
to the men in power. We shall see.

Hamburg and German Paper of the 23d inst.
have been received, but their contents are not
important, The following are extracts :
COPENHAGEN, MAT 17.—A few days ago a dread-:
ful fire took place in the pretty town of Hillerod,
situated in a most beautiful country, near the Palace of
Friedericksburg. Forty-six houses were burnt, and
100 families are without a house to cover them, andmost
of them have lost all their effects.

The Crown buildings at Alkestrup were lately burnt
to the ground. It is supposed that the calamity was
the work of an incendiary. Above 100 oxen and 200
Spanish sheep perished in the flames.
BERLIN, -MAY 20.—We are informed (says the
BreslauJournal), that a brandy distiller near Potsdam,
has concluded a contract with the English, by which
he engages to deliver at Liverpool in the course of this
summer, 10,000 barrels of brandy. A Berlin house
has contracted with the Russian Government to de-
liver 5,000 barrels at Cronstadt. For manufacturing
these 15,000 barrels (three millions of quarts) 600,000
bushels of potatoes or 150,000 bushels of corn are re-
quired. In ,the year 1832 there were manufactured in
the whole kingdom 100,000 millions of quarts ; and
of this quantity twenty millions in Silesia alone.
ST. PETERSBURGH, MAY 13.----The captains of se-
veral ships from Constantinople have reported at
Odessa, that Mehemet Ali, Pacha of Egypt, had been
assassinated at Cairo. We cannot answer for the
truth of this news, which, if well-founded, must have
the most important consequences in the East.
General Kisseleff had arrived at Odessa. Mar-
shal Marmont was daily expected from Vienna.
An Imperial ukase of the 14th of October
last year, just published, makes an article of the
statutes of the kingdom of Poland, granted
on the 14th February 1832, by which subjects
of the Russian empire, residing for a time in the
kingdom of Poland, and subjects of that kingdom re-
siding for a time in the empire, will be subject to the
laws of the country in which they are. Instead of
this, subjects of Poland who have committed a crime
in Russia, and have then fled to Poland, are to be
given up, at the instance of the military or civil go-
vernors, to the Russian tribunals. On the other hand,
Russian subjects who commit a crime in Poland, and
fly to Russia, are to be given up, at the requisition of
the governor, to the Polish tribunals.
His Highness Prince Peter of Holstein Oldenburg
takes his seat in the Senate.
WARSAW, MAY 16.—The Prince Governor has
testified to the Military Governor of the capital his
satisfaction at the great order which prevailed in War-
saw on the day on which the Imperial Prince attained
his majority ; and has expressed to the Vice-President
and the police of Warsaw his wish that his sentiments
may be made known in the journals.
HAMBURG, MAY 23.—The Altona Mercury of to-
day says—" We hear that the ordinances relative to
the new institutions, which are said to be of great
length, will be published on the sth of June. After
which the King will set out on his tour to Jutland.
EXCHANGES ON LONDON.

HAMBURG, MAY 23.-13 84 ; two months, 13 7%.
ST. PETEKSBURGII, MAY 13.—Three months, 10
STOCKHOLM. MAY 16.-I'wo months, 1239.
BERLIN, MAY 20.—Three months, 6 24%.
BREMEN, MAY 16.—Two months, 60:3.
—Hamburg Papers. May 23.
VIENNA, MAY 14.—The spring festival was cele-
brated the day before yesterday, to which the Foreign
Ministers were invited. They are now preparing to
leave Vienna, and one or other of them daily has his
final audience of the Emperor, who, with the Empress,
will go to-day to Schoenbrunn for the summer.
A great deal of business has been transacted lately
in our stock exchange, especially since the recent de-
feats of the anarchists in France. There is great de-
sire to purchase, and consequently a rise in the prices.
The bonds of the new lottery loan are particularly in
request, and have already been bought at 108 to 112
per cent.

MAY 15.—Five per Cents, 99; Four per Cents,
90; Bank Shares, 1,270.—A//gemeineZeitung,May 20.

There is an article in the Dutch papers
touching the precautions adopted by the police
with regard to French travellers arriving on the
frontiers, which clearly proves the bad spirit
still subsisting between the respective countries.
The annoyance to which the French have been
subjected has provoked similar conduct on the
part of the French authorities, as will be seen
by the following :
" THE HAGUE, MAY 22.—For some time past the
passports of suspicious French travellers who arrive

on our frontiers are sent hither, in order to prevent
the entrance of emissaries of the revolutionary pro-
paganda. This measure of precaution (which can
hardly be blamed, since it is certain that such emis-
saries have frequently attempted to enter the
country) has given offence to the French Go-
vernment, which, by way of reprisal, has subjected
all Dutchmen going to France, no matter from what
side, to the necessity of sending their passports to Paris,
and waiting on the frontiers till they have been exa-
mined at Paris. After fruitless attempts to make the
French Government sensible that what it makes a ge-
neral rule is here applied only as an exception, it is
expected that measures will shortly be adopted which
the dignity of the Government might have called for
before, and according to which French travellers are
to be treated in Holland precisely in the same manner
as Dutch travellers in France. We are assured also
that no Frenchman will be allowed to enter the king-
dom by way of Belgium, or receive passports to go to
that country. It is affirmed also that the vigilance that
has been recommended with respect to revolutionary
emissaries has not been fruitless, and that several of
these persons have been detained and conveyed across
the frontiers."—Haerlem Courant, May 24.
THE HAGUE, MAY 23.—The city of Amsterdam,
with his Majesty's approbation, has opened a loan for
a million of francs, for which bonds bearing interest
at five per cent. are issued, to be paid at the beginning
of 1841. The books for registering the subscribers
were opened on the 21st of May, and more than the
sum required was subscribed the first day, so that the
Burgomaster and Senate immediately gave notice that
no further application could be received.
EINSHOVEN, MAY 21.—Some evil disposed persons
who had been observed hanging about the frontiers,by
which some suspicions were excited, have lately been
arrested and brought to this place, where they are
kept in close custody. We learn from Veelkensward
that since the convention of Zenthoven the traffic on
the road to Maestricht is again very great.
DUTCH FUNDS--AMSTERDAM, MAY 23.
Actual Debt, 2% per Cent.
A tnort Syndic, 4% per cent. 73% to 74
Ditto, ditto. 3% per cent. — to
Loan of 1830, 5 per cent.
Ditto, 1832 and 1833, 5 per Cent 97% to 97%
Exchange on London 12 10 12 05

It gives us great pleasure to quote the follow-
ing from the Times Paris correpondent, touch.
ing the new arrangements made by the French
and English Post-offices. Certainly the Duke
of RICHMOND deserves the best thanks of the
Public at large, and of the Press in particular,
for his exertions in the matter :

" The Duke of Richmond's short stay in Paris has
been productive of a result which will prove highly
gratifying to the public in both countries. An ar-
rangement has been agreed to between the Director-
General of the French Post-office and his Grace, by
which the difficulties attending the exchange of news-
papers between this country and England are entirely
removed, and English newspapers may henceforward
be received in every part of France, and be transmit-
ted through France to any part of the Continent, en-
tirely free of postage on both sides of the water.
French newspapers sent from France to England, or
through England to any part of the world, shall
be subjected only to a postage of four sous (2d. ster-
ling), payable in France, in lieu of the 10 sous hitherto
paid. In England they are to circulate free of post-
age. These 4 sous the French director has claimed
and reserved the right of levying, merely as a counter-
part to the 4d. stamp duty paid by all English papers,
whereby they are exempted from postage in Great
Britain, the stamp duty paid by French newspapers
being only of 5 centimes, or id. sterling. A diminu-
tion in, or total abolition of, this rate of postage will
be made at any future time when the English stamp
duty may be taken off or diminished. This new agree-
ment will begin to be acted upon as soon as the legal
obstacles which have hitherto stood in its way have
been set aside—that is, in the course of a few
weeks. The discussion of some of the other points
on which the two postmasters-general did not for-
merly agree has, I believe, been resumed during
the Duke of Richmond's stay here, and will probably
be continued in London ; but as those points are not
ofgoo pressing a nature as the one which relates to the
exchange of newspapers, they will be left for a sepa-
rate treaty, to be hereafter agreed upon as a supple-
ment to the one signed last autumn. The readiness
and promptitude of the two postmasters-general in
concerting on measures calculated for the mutual be-
nefit of the public of the the two countries ought to
be made notorious and to be acknowledged in both.
The French director claims the merit of having been
the projector of the many ameliorations which have
taken
.place or have been proposed within the last four
years in the post-office service between England and
France ; but if so, his propositions have given rise to
many additional useful suggestions on the part of the
Duke of Richmond, which must balance the claims of
both to public thanks. It is to be hoped that, from
this evident and perfect disposition on both sides to do
all that is practicable for public advantage, a definitive
treaty will be agreed to by which every desirable ob-
ject may be fully attained. The Duke of Richmond
was to leave Paris this morning ( Saturday) on his re-
turn to London.

Though the majority of the Journeymen
Tailors have deemed it prudent to return to
their work, we find that they have endeavoured
to turn, what has become with them a matter of
necessity, to some future account. It will be
seen, by reference to an article in another part
of The Sun on this subject, that the
Master Tailors have very properly re-
solved not to receive any man back who
will not subscribe to a declaration that he
shall not, henceforth, join or belong to any
trades' union. The master tailors have come
to this conclusion, in consequence of a mock
" official document," signed by E. C. DOUGLAS,
" on behalf of the executive," enjoining " all
the operatives to keep in constant employment,
upon the best terms they can obtain," until the
consolidated union shall be in a condition
to strike another and more effectual blow against
what he terms the " non-producers of wealth
and knowledge." Really this is too bad. The
masters having obtained, as they deserved, a
triumph over the producers of anarchy and idle-
ness, are expected. to be such fools as to give
these worthies another opportunity of trying
their hands at mischief, by means of employ-
ment on unconditional terms ! No, no :
the more considerate of the journeymen, who
value the interests of their families, will not
attend to such insidious Counsel, nor expect the
masters to do what they themselves, if simi-
larly situated, would not, and could not, do.
The humbug of " .the Executive" is endea-
voured to be kept up solely for the benefit of
those birds of ill omen who hope to prosper on
the misery of their deluded victims. On this
subject we quite agree with the following ob-
servations of a morning contemporary (the
Chronicle)
~ We regret very much the sufferings which the fami-
lies of these misguided men must undergo, but the masters
had no alternative. It is quite clear that as long as these
uni
onss sauabis,
dsmtenthe is
amohsetlletwhat can be
truce,
likeexpethcatetd between
iadieated
by Mr. E. C. Douglas, to enable the men to strike
at a future period. The unions must be broken up
if it be wished that a good understanding shall
exist between masters and men. It is quite clear
that all the functionaries will struggle to the last
for the possession of the authority which they now pos-
sess. There is something so very flattering in the idea
of regulating the whole system of labour of a great empire
like this, that the Executive, like other depositories of
power, will no doubt be unwilling to descend to a private
station.

6' The law allows combinations of journeymen, but com-
binations of journeymen lead to combinations of masters.
No one can be astonished that the masters should combine
to put an end at once to these Unions, than which it is dif-
ficult to conceive a greater nuisance. Though it is quite
impossible that the workmen should succeed in any of the
objects for which these Unions are formed, yet great in-
convenience is suffered by individuals from strikes wan-
tonly ordered by committees, or executives, for the fur-

therance of Quixotical plans for regulating the system o'
labour of the country. The master tailors deserve praise
for the spirit with which they have determined to put an
end to this extravagance. If the journeymen tailors will
allow themselves to become tools in the hands of men who
wish to acquire an importance at their expense, or crack-
brained enthusiasts, they must pay the p enalty of their
folly."

The following appears in the Times of this
morning :

"It is generally believed in the best informed
circles, that the difference of opinion entertained in
the Cabinet on the question of appropriation must
lead to some immediate change in the ministry.
We have not been able to learn how the Cabinet
are divided, but it seems doubtful whether there are
more than two who are opposed to the appropria-
tion. One of them, unfortunately, is the most dis-
tinguished orator of the Government side, who,
both in the cause of liberty at home and in our
colonies, has shown the greatest ability. The other
an useful adnzinistrateur. How they could have
come to these conclusions is extraordinary.
" Rumours are afloat, which we cannot credit,
that the example of these seceders will be followed
by others, and the Government will retire en masse.
This is not credible.

" The vacant places, if filled up, must necessarily
be occupied by men of principles at least as liberal
as those who remain. The present administration
certainly has not been too liberal. Any auxiliaries
from the Tory camp would make it less liberal, and
entirely deprive it of the confidence of the country.
Coalition administrations have always been unfor-
tunate : they want the unity of purpose indis-
pensable to vigorous measures. Even the talents
of Fox and North availed nothing. The King, we
have no doubt, notwithstanding the rumours to the
contrary, entertains the same salutary horror of
those conspiracies of party by which not only the
dignity of the Crown, but the welfare of the people,
are sacrificed to personal ambition and selfish in-
terests."

Our contemporary, the Times, has discovered
what was known to the public a long time since,
and declared by Lord J. RUSSELL a month
ago, viz., that there are differences in the
Cabinet respecting the appropriation of the
surplus revenues of the Irish Church.
We shall be sorry if the two able and useful
members of the Cabinet who differ from their
colleagues on this subject, should think it their
duty to resign their seats on this account.
Their secession will be a loss to the Ca-
binet, but the entire sacrifice of public confi-
dence would be a much greater, and more
irreparable one. The Church must be reformed,
and all its surplus revenues applied to truly na-
tional purposes ; and no Ministry could stand a
month which refused to concede these matters.
We fear nothing for the Government, which has
made up its mind to these points.
They will gain the public confidence, and no
coalition ministry could stand its ground
if formed on a principle adverse alike
to the public feeling and the public interests.
Cabinet meetings were held on Saturday and
yesterday, but nothing has yet been settled.

MT. STANLEY and Sir J. GRAHAM, even
with the Duke Of WELLINGTON at their
head and the Bishops in their rear, would find it
impossible to stem the tide of public opinion.
We hope they will not attempt it.