The Sun.
London, England, 1805-05-15 00:00:00

ETON ANNIVERSARY.

THE ETON ANNIVERSARY will be held at
the Crown and Anchor Tavern, in the Strand, on Sa-
turday, the iSth instant.
The Right Hun. Lord ViscOunt BROM E in the Chair.
~•• STEWARDS.
Right Hon lal. Waldegravo Edward Horne, ESq.
- Sir Hugh Owen Abraham Moore, Esq.
Sir }Min HaWkins, Bart. Charles Edrnonston, Esq.
H. H. Hoare,-Esq. Jonathan Baine,"sq. •
Tames Praed, Esq. Captain Flood.
N. B. Those Gentlemen who intend to honour the Meet
in;{ with their Company are requested to send tar Tickets at
the Bar atilt: Tavern as early as possible. Dinner on Table
at Five o'clock. Tickets los. 6d. each.

LINNEAN SOCIETY.
T. E ,ANNIVERSARY MEETING of the
LINNEAN SOCIETY of LONDON will be held
on Friday *the 24th of this Month, at One o'Clock precisely,
for the Election of a Council and Officers for the ensuing
Year • and ttic Members of the'Society will dine together on
that I)ay,l
at the Frecisiasons' Tavern, in Great Queen-street,
„Lincoln's: Inn- Fields.
!Antler to be ou Table at Five o'Clock precisely.—Tickets,
Fifteen Shillings each, to be had of Mr. Price, at the So-
ciety's Apartments in Penton-square, Coventry-street, and
at the kir of the Tavern.
Panton.square, Coventry-street, May 7, tEoc.

LEASEHOLD ItESID'ENCE and LAN!), mar NORTH-
, A-MPTON,
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION,
By Mi. SIVII 1' H,

At Garraway's, on Friday, the 24th of May, at Twelve
o'Clock,

N EXCELLENT RESIDENCE, in complete
rßepair, seated upon a cheerful Paddock, command-
ing extensive prospetta, at I'itstord, a fine Sporting part of
the County, near the Fox-hounds, six mites from Northanip-,
ton, twelve from klarharough, and seventy-one. 'frail Lon.
don, in the occupation of Col. Carnet. The [louse contains 8
Bealiattibers, Dressing-rooms, and Clasets,Dining; Drawing,
and lorning:roonts, Offices of description; Standing
for two Carriages, Stabling for eight Harks, ,Granary, Dove-
house, a Cottage and Out-buikings, spacious wrlled„'Gar.
den dtocketl and planted with choice Fruit-treest Shrubbery-
~.ral,ks and Flourishing Plantation of Forest-tree;,
.with 95
Acres of • rich MeadoW .and Arable Land, lying compact,'
well Fenced, supplied with tine Water, anti Tithe free.— •
A Isa 'a Farm- house,. Barns, Stabling, .0 ut•huildings, and WO
Cottig4 in the. Yilla4e at Pitstbrd. •
o ne viewed '.v►th_ t_'ickets'onty, which, with particulars,
rnaylet had sik'days- previous to the Sale, of hlt.,Stnitlri
Broatl-slaxt,,ne4r. the Royal Exchange, where a Plan of,
the Estate niav ps seen •• particulars also of Ni r. Haws, So-
litdtor, Nortiltartintan • Harbarough Swan, Newport'
Pagneil George Woburn.; of Mr. Wilkins, Surveyor,..
Rowd, near Devizes .asnl GarraWay's. • .

. .
FEE.TARM.RiEN' Ts, COUNTY of NORTHUNIBE R.-
'LAN 1.), and TOWN of BE RWI C K.- U PO N -T W E I.'. D.-
- TOBE' SOLD BY AtICTION,
.
By. Mr. SMITH, •
- •
At Carraway's, on Friday,.
the .14th of Tune, at Twelve
O'Clock, in One Lot,
VALUABI,E FEE FARM-RENTS'-ifi.fuing out
of the Manor, Borough,
.and Town of Berwick,
RoYal WatErs ant.! I. 'siting place, ,Lands and Tenementsitear •
' the Borough, in Broornhall, 13ulhio Barony.. Riding of the,
Lee, Shotley and Staley, Tithes of Eilderstone, Fluthain, ,
Hopton, ' Locker, • Rowsorr, Warnford, Warrenden, West
Bradford and Felton, Challerton,_ Ens! ;Marten and Gunner-
ton, Kirkeaton, Wark. Manor and Castle Prudhoe, Walling-
ton, the Castle of Ilerwick, Stillingwitht Ico. amounting to
2.491. Ss. per annum. . , •
Particulars may. be had, twenty, days previous to the tale,
I,at the, King' Arm ; Arius, Berwick Queen's Head, Newcastle;
'ietteen's Head, ' Morpeth ; W bite Swan, A timid( ; Hotels,
York and Edinburgh ; of Messrs. Denary and Cope, Soli-
citors, Temple ; at Garraway's ; and of Mr. Smith, No. 6a,
Broatl.street, near the Royal Exclian4. , .
..

FLUIERS AND ALE sMILN FARMS, IN THE COUN.
TY OFBERWICK,
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION,
• By Mr.'SMITEIe,

At Carraway's Coffee-house, 'Change-alley, Cornhill, on
• friday, the 14th of June, at Twelve o'Clock, in One Lot.
THE FARMS form a most deiirAble FREE.
.11OLD Property, containing together 427 Acres of
remarkable rich Arable and. Pasture Land, conveniently sub.
divided in a king fence;. Tithe Free, and in high cultivation,
advantrgetnisly situate Parish of Coldinghame, one
rude from the high road to'''i.tlinburgh, two • miles from Ey-
mouth, ataltten from Perwrek, both Sea-ports 'and excellent
Corn Markets, Vhere plenty of lithe for manure and sea-
:Weed are easily Prbitried; with Farm-houses, Barris, Stab.
. ling; Cow-houses, and Workmen's Tenements, entirely new
. built ; a 'fltresiting Nlachine, and lAA:diem Live FetiL;;;;
Lett on Lease to /+.lessrs. Fairgtieli and Fife at rents amount-
ing.til 4921. tos, per annum. The Estate affords an excel-
lent tituatipn for building a. Seat, commanding an extensive
prospea on the German ticean, tram St Abn's Heart on the
left
.td-Banborough Castle on the right, it h , Deans for
Phisitatiuni sheltered from the Sea. A superiority will be
added 60 415 10 giv„e Vote fur the County. Five thousand
pounds of the iirLhase-money may remain on Mortm,e.
To be viewed, with leuve of the Tenants, twenty clays
previons to the Sale, and particulars then had at the King's
Arms„Berwick ; Queen's jleaii, Newctit le ' • Queen's tleart,
Morpeth.: White swan, Alitwick.; York, and Edin-
burgh ; of Mr. Constabl, Solicitor, Syniond's.lnn gat
friorOand'6•Coir,m. house, vontstivcr, sang ; at (;arraway!s;
and of Mr, Smith, Nd. 62, Broad-strzet, near the Anal Ex-,
change.

MANOR, MANSION, and LAND, in the RICH 1/ALE.
of CLEVELAND, mai NORTH-RIDING. of it
COUNTY of YORK. .
SOLD liY I.IRivATE CONTRACT,
By Mr. SI./iITH.O

TH' LORDSHIP, BARONY, and MANOR
of STOKES!, E l',.abotti.ding with Game and PIA'
, tine trout Stream running'', through M titor), the .. \vith
'rolls; Stall-age,' Quit-rents, Rights andlniNm uties-belong- •
lug to the producing. 13512 per annum, eapable-of con-,
siderable improvement. Also an etic,:llent Stone Dull; Nio-
de(n ',Mansion, in complete order, seated on a cheerful Lawn,
with alt m:! a,:proacit and dr:ve, in front of the plea.:-
sant MarKet Town. of Stokesley, continanding-a tine view•of--
the Cleveland i 1:lli and acljacet4 count" y,.40 trout
yink, 'l6 trom n-thallerton, 9 trout Li ,sb.)rougli, and 13.
tilii th...SC.I . The Mansion contains tenl34leltAinbers of
Rand proportions, a Nursery_, s....veti Servants' lied-rooms,
Dining-room, 3o feet by IS, lDr.o 30 feet by 2,1, and,
Breakfast Parlour kg f a eet stpt.,re, with 14 te eielings, finish-
ed in a modern elegant style; spactotni- Hall; pritn:ipal and
second StairCASeS Office.; of every description ; Cawch.
house, and Stabling for e. ht horses, Out,stabling, Yards,
corn and 'lay hams, 'fltreshing Machine, and suitable Out-
buildings in good repair, supplied with fine water ; spacious
' Kitchen C;ardens, walled and stocketi with intim:rims Fruit-
tree.; ornamental WDods, and sever Inclosures or rich
Arab'le and Pasture' Land, containing, together --upwards of
63 Acrcs, in a tine Sporting ,Country, surrounded by t;out.: 0,1
the tir.et Rides in the Kingdom.
• The Land--tax is redeemed, and two large Pews in the
; Church belong to the &tate.
Four thousand pounds of • the Purchase-money may'
main on Aloftgage.
o he viewed with tickets, which, with furthTer particu-
lars, maybe had of Mr.-.Sinitlt,- No. Broad-sheet, Bear.
the Royal Exchaut,he.

VICTUALLING OFFICE*.
April a, aq.
TNE COMti 'ISSIONERS for V.l ALL! IVG
Ws MAIESTY.'s NAVY do hereby OTAS Notice, Thar
on Friday the 1711) of Mar next, MO wilt' be ready to reoei've
Tenders, in writing trealid up). and treat for-Three fillndied
Tons of LYMINGrUN or IVEoWCASTI. E SALT, or Salt of
equal goodness ; and for Three Iluthieed rani' of ENG
BAY SALT, of the'largest Grain; of which the Persons W/11
snake the readers are to produce Samlsks ; to be delivered into Hi:-
Majesty's Piamalling Stores at Drptfind, one fialf by the 3 r'+ of
y,dy, and the remainder by tin- 3 ah *lB,7i:ember next, free q aja
Charge and Risius to: Majesty, except that the Conilaito,
will be allowed Zr. I Ili. lar Tan jor Porte! age of the Salt flans
the lfrhaif to the Storoi ; and to be paid for by Bills, payable,
with Interest, ninety' days after date.
I.bi Conditions of the Contra/1 may he son at the Seeretary's
Office, at ail Office; cr appOing to tbe"ColleThr
jof ;be Sail
Duties at Lyminknol, flentpthire, and Middiewich, in Che-
shire, respet7iv4.
In') regard will he had to av Tender iy :which Price :ball
not Ge inserted in words at length, or
_that shall not; be drupe; ed
to the Board betre 0%, o'Cloc* :on the said Friday the 17th
of May next, nor unlerr the Pena's. who makes the Tender, or
j ome Potion on his behalf, attend:: to answer, when called
.for.

fCTUALLING OFFICE,
• May 2, 1304.
rPHE COAfMLSSIONFt RS for V ICTU ALL 1 :VG
His AIAYESTI"s NAVY do bony give Notice, ?oat cn
Tuesday the 1111 instant, they will be ready to receive Trizi,,ra in
writing. (scaled up), and treat ...with tact, Persons as will an ler-
take the
_supply of SEA PROVISIONS and :I''RE4H BEEF,
to His Illajely's Ships and l'esads at. the Island of telutala fir
Ta.elve Months certain; and, further, until Six ...Mouths warn.
ing shall be given.: •to bepaid fot by Bills, payable, with Interest,
'nine:), days dlte date.
The Conditions of the Conte;te7 Maybe..ieen at the Sicrelaty's
Office.
No regard will be had to any Tender in Tubich the Price ohs!.
n2l be inserted in words at length, it that.sball not be delivered
to abe Roan, before One O'Clock on :hi said Tuesday the 21 at
instant, xor unless tbe. Person who makes, the*Tenderf or some
Person on hi: behalf, •ataettesr, to answer, when called pn• ruts
will any Teniier that contains extravagant prices upon some A,-
• tides, and pricer much inft, kr to the seat value upon 'ot6ers, be
considered.as it roper to le •

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OFFICIc,
/Iffy 6,
THE COAI ;1118310 NE RS for FICTU A ING
His 11:147ESTY's NeleY do herehy-give iNl,tice, that
FridAr, thr 17th instant, they twill :e rea.6* to.receive Ten-
' ders in writing (sealed up),. and treat for about Tin-iv 11.,n-
-died Chaldrons of PITTS reINFIELD or
Coals of equal kodness, to be delivered in a winds; C:zrgil Or,C.‘ar.
goes, in the spate •of thtee weeks from the .date Of the Coniract,,
tvindt and weather permitting, alongside the Wharfs of lit: ilia-
jesty!,s Plctualling Premises, at Weevil! and Portsmouth ; and to
be paid jOr by dills payable, with interest, ninety daft After dote.
.The Conditions of the •Contran may be seen at the Secretary's
Office,
No regard will be bad to any Tender in which the Pries si,i7
not be inserted in words at length, or that shall not be deliverid
the ,ward before. CM( o'Clock on the said Friday, the 17;6 of
lUD, inst. ; nor:rinks; the Person mako the render, of to,ne
Perron on bit behalf, wreath, to answer, when called .

PICIIMLLING-OFFICZ,
Atay 8,, iBos.
IHE COMMISSIONERS for VICTI,I 4,L ING
His MriyEST-Y,'s NAV Y do hereby give Notice, That
Thi;riday, the btu of Lens ;text, they swill be rtaty to receive
Tenders, in wilting (so • up), for such Quantities ol IRISH
BEEF and PORK, in half Puncheons, 'fiercer, and. Bai•rels, as
the respective illercbants and Dealers therein shall think proper
'to oiler ; to be of the beg qnallry ; to •eirve been cured in the tart
Season ; to be delivere.i in the space of Iwo Months inter flit
Itfafesty'i Stores at Deptjod, Purlstitiinth, and Pfr:'
to such proportions as Ludt hereafter be.detertnined tIPP, :
and to kr ine4 v.rThy 4114, ',pajable, with int:test, ninety-dis
after date.
The 'Conditions of the Cott:rail may 6c seen at the ,S'icretary's
NiOffice.
regard will be; hod to any Tender in which the Price steal!
nil be inserted in words at length; or that shll not be deli uered to
the B'oar'd before One o'Clock on' the said Thursday, :Le 6th of
Yeine next, nor, unless the Person who nukes the reesdrri,oe some
„Person on his behalf, attends, to a:apices., when caljed • „

LAST INDIA HOUSE,
• Ally S, 1895.
rri H E COURT of DIRECTORS thr"
A. UNITED COMPANY .f MEXCHANIW' G,
LAND trading to the East India ao htireby give Notice • '
That a QUARTIiRI Y G 4NERA(, COU itT sad
Company will be held at their Haul', in Lrodenb4l.qtreet, on
Weditelday the tv.6 guru news at Eeven rk in Fcre-
notint• for the.purl ote of d‘clari»a a .4)h:hip:l front -Christmas
last to Midtummer next.
That the Tian.Or of the raid. C;mpa,.y's St,ek' will be
Shut in Thurniqy, the 6th 3‘une next, at Tivp cit:fork, and Open-
ed agaiu on Thpday, the I.P n h 7.4 following. . •
And that the ividend Warrant, o the sae;: Stwh.
due on the stb jab., will be ready to be delivered cat 7ueietiv the
0 :My next.

IP lI.LI 4 AI- it 31 ,V

• • • • MAv 4, txos.
nit ANGE•i 'sort LEMONUAW-
N.,' MAN:AwI:ARABIAN E.SSNII S., .yid TRIM
BRUNSWICK SAUSAGES, ;a: thia e);
cellent Condition, at il)11N, BUlUES_S..itiut Ware-
house, No. to;, Straod,:corner of the Savoy Steps, • •

TRURO GRA.IIINIAR` SCUQOt..
9-11-IF.- Rev. Dr. CORNELIUS CARDEN,'
1 who has for many years past kept the. Grammar -
School irt,the LtorouAlt of Truro, in Cornw4l), having givens
notice to IHC that he shall resign the :maw 'in the month of
illy' next, I do hereby give notice t••, Per,,:.; welt qualified'
and desirous or sucoN:ding him, that tit) ni ,y ap,ity to me
at mi), time before ihe end' of the, lit,sent Alontti, oy l;.tt•;,1,
-soon. atter Mach a Nleeiing of the Lorpot.ttion will hi: held
to take their Sev.:.ral prettalsiont into coasideNtion, arid to irx
un one of them.
The former Masters have hen ✓ allowed Twenty-five
Pounds a-year from the CUrii.;,..tlitin, NV 11 ILA! ro'; LI be Lon-
' firmed as tiaual ;.and Dr., CAtiten Iras recer,:: t a further
Donation of Twenty..tive Pounds, the better to enable hiin
to keep an ...IN4ktant, Mitch most vrubably will likewise bre
continued to his Sucecs ior:
JAMES NUNKIVELL, Mayor. .
N. D. Dr. Carden has kindly said, that, should it be re-
questelof him, he will keep open nit school until Michael.
nos tne!t.

. . •
CAPITAL COUN'T'RY' RESIDENCE, with BEAUTI-
I
PI.F.ASURI7.-GROLiNDS, CONSERVATORY,-
AIEADOW LAND, &c. tit COLiNe.Y HATCH, On the
4 wit of EIN..EILEY COMMON.
TO•I1E SOLD BY AUCTION,'
By .iYir. SQUIBB,
(ily Outer of the Executors of John Pesky, Esq. deceased),
at Garr.iway,s,.on triday, M.ty 17, at Twelve o'Clock,
A y }fort:cite:tit, Corivenicnt, and Substantl4l
LA. VREEHO.I.D MANSION HOUSE, in
riled Repair, with every fequiiitc attached and detached
otfiee, duut,ie each-house, Stabling tor five Horses, a
complete Browitouse, capital Conserv:4°7y, Gr.ipery, and:
G reen-housa, near sir; test in length, tilled wait uncommonly
tine Orange and Lemon Trees, and various other valuable
Exotic and Green.house ; a Melon (irtMildi Pine
Pits, lee house, excellent Kitchen Gatdcns, beautiful Plea-
.sure-Grounds, disposed with great taste, and embellished
with very tisrivii4; Plantations, and three I nclosureb ot. very
-rich Meadow and Pasture Land; the wiiole lying tiompaa,
and mitist delightfully situated on tint verge of Eine ley Loin-
mon, at Coloey Hatch, a a e juAly aArnired lilt its rural
beauties, and peculisrlydesitable ear account of its contiguity
to "tno
To t, vit-oved t ithTickets only, and Printed Particulars
111.ty.[Xt itaii of Messrs. tones and (;men, .sui it itoria'S;tl6burv-
sq :are, Fleet-street ;ion the Premises; at ci araway's; anti
of Mr. Squibb, Sayille.p.ot,av, &•11,d14-rp,v.

111413 E L. PAR LI .1 MEN

IF)USE OF C:OltflIONS.

TUESbAY, MAY 14..

. ()t •tite Mial(llt OrSit j N 14E* t ri the House wert
into Ropier at.
Tile 10-port w„, ,;,;.1,1,•ii to to.roorrow.
tin the. Motion (;I" ;4, ri;,cN N tiw Irish Fruits
Bill Ivas4itad. !Line .
'Mr. At, 1101,-1.1 the i'Lit tiler consitteration.of
keport of the Coninfirtee on the Irish Land Partitiiin net.
The Arnendnunts were agr:ed ro,.and the bill ,ordered to tie
read a third tone
- Mr. Strjeant tits -r .postp nt.!l
,his Motion relative to 111,-.7
Eleventh Report t', . •
Air. 101 l NSOil ,oit-at Chief Secretary of IFS.
presented Copies of toe Prol:coi;igs in the Irish par-
liament relative to the G Attainder of oritelius Grogan, Esq.
()Meted to be prititc.d.
Mr. ALIN.A.Nera. I.)rouillt tip.the 12,,eport of the canunit,
tee on the Slat.: Rill ; which was agreed to, and the Lill or-
dere(' to be read third time to-morrow.
Mr. llusitlssaN give notice of a Motion on Thursday
next, for appointing a Committee to inquire into the exile",
ctieitev of alitiwing Cotta ttl be' brought to London by the
Iladdirigton Caind. ' •
Sir W. Croitra 'inoved, that the Petition of the 3d of
!}larch, relative to I,llproyooti.onts to. roe Vort of London, be
referred.to a Conatittreo.--Oidered,
The third reading; of the Property Duty Bill, and the ("ow-.
min a un for SinuAglitig. Bill, were postponed to "raitrikliy:.
second. leading of tile Bill FV;IS pu6tptyleit
to Nfotiday,, and toe Bill iii the 111::.:11 ti:110 eldeNd to be
painted.
-Accounts-Of the difl4ent •Sitins presented to be raised by
-‘Grawilltries of the, sevcia I Counties in Ireland, from tst
.-latithay 1775, to tat January iSos, were ordered to be laid
beinre the House.
Mr. Wts tear"; obtained tear: to bring in a Bill (or ran.
tiering- Proteaion of Parishes st.oir.Lt the
by them from the defalcations of Colic:Awl
of Taxes,. "-
Sir I. Sr E A ant:tile a On, which haring und:rAonc.-
All Am:in.:meat by tilt, i1.04C,E1..1.:)it the E x
was a,t,,:ed t-,, :tint wIS .)''filet it be en );;;;,,,,e...
11411 to tild ta,wllolo the the
KOnine'y ant SJtaire•ltad ne,o; I.;:terren,
•,:exanitii4.: 5511 d itie es.pcintiturd.uf Store's tar Lae,
• 6.tki
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CAT1101;1C PL'U'TO Z.—IIESUNIED In*BATE:
7.l:he Order' ut the bay lar_resuming I):hite
on the.M.ition of. Mr. Flx, for referring the Cotho.
tic Petition :10 C slltsaCt4llllll of 3 CollllllilttC,
having hem testa,
Mr. 11/.d.• rose, and declared, tltar: on
many accounts w.uhl :ratt.ier.hay.e iioivereti
sentiments on this subje'tk last night.: On ul Acc,n.),,,
indeed, but one,. Which was, th.it• his sentintettii
would have, conic too closely in contaa with the
very brilliant speech of the lion. Oentlesnan near,
him, which, whether the cagency.of the jriun,eni,'
or the splendour of the,claciaenee, were considered),
must be allowed to have-met with the general ad-
miration of.the lit,use. There might certainly be
another reason alledged for WiShing, to protraCt the
debate. He 'should certainly have,been extreinely.
s.;rry had the questi,,n been decided negatively on
no better
,grounds I what had been brought
forward LISE night. alloi.vances ought cer..
taint y to h mole f•ar. Gentle!nen Who earn- to
the discussion under strung impressions, Irtcm which
others Vitra tree, who had endured with their
families all the horr..rs attendant on civil cuinno.
lions,, and who could therefore nor speak so co,tly
on the f:tibket as men who had in no oegree been at'.
feeted by them.; but even this consideration would
scarcely jtistify the language that had been made use;
of last niot. great opponents of the
tion in that discossion were the'Learned Dieti)r, his
i-ion.. Friend .under him, and a Learned and 11 n.
,Gentletnin on the same, bench. • The gencrai ten-
detley of the.ohservationkof the first was, to evince
objedion to theCatholies al Catholics alone ; that of
the second, tit assert the influence of the Catholic ,
Clergy over the Laity ; and that of the third, to
that Whatever concessions might be made to
the Cathiwould never be satisfied, ,Me.
r ,t
t,t s, n
at , they
considerable length into an; x...
:!1c r
aminati.:Jni anti reiu.atin tit" thc ;14iti:nents used by
tileSC CVtilleincli re • t, Ctit.:ly to ,ui.pott of their
apitii,ms. The Stitli,,:t of oaths Mr, Smi i i set Tit a
'very clear.light.lie..oked,.whether int eintglation
of the French Rates cci Cit:rgy, the,
'Rs.voltition, when they .Might. hive retainzd their
btoefices by taking aocalli, franc which, according,
to the Letirned they, inigh(easily have been
afterwards released by the Pope, was nut the stro,,g,..
evidenee'ltif tha i:npottance attaelted by tiler'? to
that solemn engage:in:ht ? was .a taet iii the
face of all the„scr,:aed passages from the tinasty
tworiel..ea;nl records of the Councils of Nice and.
Latvian. N one Could If tli t liim of,t(pecti.„
liar vitdit(ction ittr Catholics, as
.he was Ql
hit !',ion the. tiv m ist reoved tram them. 1-I.c
sva., a Prote,tant Dissenter ; but he thought the C.o.
thnlics at Ireland, had been oppressed, and he felt
for them as ,one ena.n aught to feel tot another.-
1110.1 laditnra Do6t9r had libelled the. iri,h,he had
libelled theGOvertiment'of thi;Country in suPpos,,
chid! the Ct
atholic ihCll.ie;nuislaPetr. wouldtlie rtlawne rbeegi 14;rr:;.
duced into Parliament would limn a phalanx fur the
purpose :of intimidating-the Minister into a on
pliance With their rueashres, Str4li a supposititm
Was mo!ist too,. any: huMan institution could
`be proved to him immutable, then he would ac.
knowledge that tho Catliblic tcli);ion might be itch._
:mutable, but not, till then; unless.ht licit ved the,:
chokes were 3.5., easily affedledbi good or bad treat.
mentas other men, he must,believe what Burke de-
nied, that there is a geographical morality. n
the oppression under winch the CatlKilics-had lahour.,
ed was taketrasvay, the effeet9 ut that olTrc"i""
would cet4se. What had Been ,-the conduct at the Rta..
man C...tthol'ic. Colony of Canada ? Was it nor wt.
cwceptionoble anti 'everiineritoriQui? fie bad titan.
st
their
t't,)(e)Ln
IV,av
iour such
ihOssi9 i and he
:oLha
ye
c...lobideralot, that the Catlillics7of
l'it:;*.g Fit
t')lrtia'4lrfiiiejaltiletu

;me all ranks and all parties in this Country
• 6
adverse to the consideration of their claims ; for, be
it remembered, that consideration was all that was-
',tow required. What should be gratited„' and what
refused, would be subject of future discussion. It
seemed to hill) advisable that Catholics should be
allowed to sit in Parliament ; but this, with the
other points of right or expediency, was nut now to
be determined upon.
Mr. was of opinion, that the British Go.
verninent ought to have considered this sohj-et well
before the Union. Although there certainly was no
express agreement made with the Catholics, that if
tJsey would lend their assistance to the accomplish-
ment of, that measure theie'claims should be attended
to; yet, India unquestionably, tlviehad been an un.
derstanding to that tired., Some expressions in the
Right .Hon. Gentleman's Speech on the,Union con-
veyed that sense. A more able or a more argu.
mentative Speech he had never read. It was a dis-
play of eloquence which would have done turnout
to the orators of Greece and Rome. The hopes
which that Speech held out to the Catholics were
unchecked by the 'observations of any other Gen.
tlemao in the House, end the Catholics hat there•
fore an additional santlion for their expettations.—
Be by rio means urged this with a view to press it
upon the Right Hon. Gentleman, who had certainly
stated; on his retiring from office, that it was on ac.
count of his not being able to effea this ObjeCt :
he also stated that he owed too Much-,to his Koyal
Master la press the subjeCt any further at present,
and that he would oppOse it were i,t brought for.
ward from any other quarter; at. the, same time
.that he would by ,no 'means lose sight of
This avowal he thought perfeCtly .fair and Par.
liamentary, and although as the measure had been
brought forward, he ihould assuredly give it his
support ; he certainly thought, and he .had expressed
hat opinion to his friends in Ireland, that this was
not the most. favotirable tune for the agitation of
the sulika. This WWI not a question of the day. It
would, be renewed Session after Session, and the
I louse most make up their mind to grant it at last.
He did norbelieve that it would now pass. The
Catholics themselves did not believe it ; bur they
were confident it would ultimately 'work its way,
when reason had succeeded in dispelling the mists
of prejudice. He *membered the time when inolle
Irish. Parliament the measure was much more port.
hie than It could now be in the British ; but such
ferment had been created among the people as
skewed the necessity -of according to them shine.,
thing. He thought the mode adopted by the Irish
Parliament, of gradually acceding to the Catholic
churns, a good one. If the House agreed to take the
Petition into consideration, it appeared to him to be
advisable to allow' of the admission of Catholics into
both Houses of Parliament,' Three millions of the
people were now uorepresented for it was fallacious
to say that they were represented because they voted
for their Members. What was now to he given was
to the higher orders. The lower class had already
beers invested with the elective franehise ; but men
of r.ink and consequence, who, possessed the greatest
stake in the Country, were excluded from theLegis.
lature. Remote • periods, and the proceedings Of
old Councils, had been resorted to for the Purpose of
proving the charatier of the Ca thlic religion ; but it
was not the history of the i Ith and t zth centuries
that was sufficient for that purpose. The North Pole
was nor more opposite. from the South than the doe.
trines of the Catholics of the present day, Are nut
arts and manufattures in a progressive state of im-
provement ? and was the improvement of the hit.
man mind to be suPposed standing still ? Because
men were clouded with superstition a tenuity ago;
did it follow that they were so at present 1 He
was astonished to hear the learned Dolor adopt
this line of argument. The learned Doetor thought
the cOosrquopee of 'listening to the Petition would
be the subversion of the Protestant religion. If he
thought.so, he would argue most strenuously against
it. But he was not ohhat opinion. He thought
that the Union, that the connexion of Ireland with
Great Britain, would be unstable and insecure unless
these three millions of men were conciliated. After
the hopes %v 'lilt which they had been flattered it would
be difficult to keep them in peace unless they Were
at least red to exiled the gratification Of them at
auua- period or other. Mr. Lee insisted on the
propriety, should the prilyer of the Petition be
granted, ref olacing in the King's hands the power
of creating Catholic Bialiops, which was now
vested in the Roman Pontiff, and intimated that
the Catholics Were not averse from such a Proceed.
tog. An idea had gone abroad that the CathOlics
would with to regain their forfeited estates ; but
nothing could more effeatially disprove this than the
fad that considerable sums. of money hash been laid
out by Catholic's' (particularly in theoounty of Wit.
terford)'in the purchatte of estates that-had been coo.
SiScated. This was the first time that a great Irish
tquesiitm had coma before the House ; and he can;
tested he had never heard a subject diSCUSIIM with
mere temper, 'or with a rtiOre evident wish to •oh.
fain every infOrmatitin' that 41, was pratlicable tit •

vrocui
Sir WM. SCOTT rose to, state his objet ions
measure, which were not of a temporary,
hot 4,1 a permanent nature. The general practice
civili.e.l States had been, with a few excel.
siott,„ toirtA.ite all their Ex,!ctitive Officers to eon•
form to the religion of the State. The Hon. Mover
of this measure load observed
ion ttte propriety of
't*eilgjou-s esiabliahnients.'
PeparAtiog from
in rlohwer to that observation-, be should quote the
nuth,,ltty of Mr. Burke, who stated, that the
between Church and State. was the faun.
&Ilion of the Constitutiim, and was inseparable,
/1 the Reformation the civil and religicins esta.
?tiitannetits were consolidated. To. our 'Ancestors
tie ,)%ved the blessings we, enjoyed". lo the same.
(charter in which the title of the reigning 'family
was rceognised, it was decreed, that the Govern.
mew, at; far as any human provision could be per.
tn incur, hhooid lie for ever Protestant. This had
I.,cen the pr t) cr of our Ancestors; and he trusted it
loog be the prayer of the inhabitants of this
This hild been the lestocy of our fore.
s, and our own acqui,itioo, which had in.
(,; us freedom both of Church and State.—
thing that corinefted the King with his
was founded on a Protestant basis.—The
.4,0 g was to be * Intafy IlUtle but 41,

Eve

try.

Protestant, and alt who were to exercise the
gated powers of the Crown were required to be?to...i,
testants,
,The prayer of •the present Petition couldj
not be granted without a surrender of the'Conititu.,
thin. The case of a PrOtestant Princesurrewpaii-}
by Catholic Counsellors, for the purpose of csieeying
'on a Protestant Government, was as impossiW,o,lV
exist in tad as in law. The Catholics would havein.
that case a civil and a religious duty drawing them
in different direetioni; anti he meant no diseespeet, to
them when he stated, that he believed they might
be disposed to lean to the latter, or that they would
be unfit persons to watch nver the Church Esta.
blishment of the State. The Hun. Member (Mr.
GRATTAN) .11.241 Irg!refiellt,Cd ,the Irish Catholics as
Ipial; but .by his
.aesument it
,appeared that they
were to be loyal for a• boon. The Catholics of this
ountry labohred under severer disabilities than the
,na•iheyhad made no demand, nor
preferred any remonstrance. • Butohe Hon. Gentle.
man had stated, that on the success of the present
Petition would depend the future loyalty of die Ca.
tholies. It had been urged as a ground for the ad.
mission of Catholics, that they were numerous, and
ought to be respelled. The same rule.would apply
to Turks, 'or Jews. It was no argument, because
much had been given that all should he given, that
they should give up the whole strutlure, and tear
up' the foUndetions of the State. He gave credit
to the Parliament of Ireland for liming made a se.
ledion of offices from which the Catholics were to
be excluded; and as nothipg on.that •head had been
suggested at the Union, nor,h4dapy thing since oc.
curtest to alter Isis former opinion, he should vote
against the Motion. •
Mr. 4RAT TAN rose to Correa a mie.strtement
or misapprehension of 'the,Lesroeti Gentleman. In
whatever manner his words'inigi4t have been under.
Stood, he had distiedly said, thatif the Parliament
of England were to assent to certain calumtoes that
had' been uttered against the Catholics of Ireland,
which calumnies be had stated to be, that they
were traitors to their King and enemies
_to their
Country," that sozli assent would , lay the founda.
tion, Would sow the seeds of separation, not by the
rejection of the Pertitiou, but by assenting to the
calumny. Thii he thought necessarrto say, not so
much in explanation of :the sentiment, as fur the
purpose of restating it.
Dr. LAWkE;Vc4, though always sorry to till.
ter from his Learned Friend, should, indeed, have
been sorry if lie had not differed from him on this
subjett ; tor he could not look to the Constitution
of the Country, which was the pride of England,
and the envy of the world, and consent that so'
great a population of the Subjects of His "Ma.
jests/ should be placed under the ban of the Empire,
and whilst they weee denied an equality of protedion,
be called upon for an equality of allegiaoce. The
Learned Gentlemen here adverted to the arguments
of his Learned _Friend, which he ably answered.
Though it had' been thoutlit necessary to adopt in
this Country several laws against the Catholics in
the Reign of Chsrles 11. it appeared by the Let.
tors of the Duke of 'Ormond that the same had not
,been extended to Ireland. The opinion of King
William, and of his Coensellors, had been, to place
the Catholics in the same -situation 'a '
century
since in sshich they arc
,now, to repeal. all the
Ads for' precluding them from civil and mill.
;dry employ'ments, but to exclude them frorn the
Hooks of Parliament ; and 'it they should behave
well, to have their indulgences increeeed,, on the
ground that it was not right to diaate by [(nee
tO the •consciences of men. If, the Catholics were
loyal, why not give them what they desired ? When
they should unletter the prerogative, did it I dlow
that they should force the King to employ •Ca.
tholie Counsellors ? The L,earned Gentleman then
spewed, by a reference to the context, and to the
abstraa nature of the cardtrial virtue, prO ince,
that the passage in Dr. Mimeos publication, so se.
verely commented on by the Learned Gentleman
(Dr. IMIGENAN), was pettedly' justifiable; and
after having dwelt at some length rio these topics,
stated his übjed to have been, as Gentlemen were
not in general acquainted with such stilleds, to give
a warning to persons how. they would in future yen.
tune its quote passages from book's partially, or
search for musty fragments of obsolete pamphlets,
in order to make them the ground of fdlacious ar.
gumcnt to the House: As to the question before
the House, he thought, that whatever differenie of
opinion might prevail as to the extent, of the con.
cession„, all Who thought any thing should be grant.
ed, should vote.for the ".Motion. •
Mr, FOSTER said, he should not have troubled
the House for she few Minutes which he meant-to
trespass upon its attention, if it bad not been for the
part he had taken in another place on this subjed.
The. Hon. Gentleman near him (Mr. Lee) had re.•
presented the severity of the Penal Code, anti many
Gentlemen who had heard him might imagine that
such laws •were 'pow in, force
.against the Cathy.
lies. But what was the situation of the Catholics
in Ireland ? They were on the same footing with
the Proteitant, as to the enjoyment, the, acquisi.
lion, and disposal of property :'they
.were on the
same footing as to the enjoyment of -personal • and
civil liberty.;' What did they demand by that Pe.
titian ?
The possession of political linnet. This
:shine was their objea, and the Gentlemen who sup.
ported the Petition had acknowledged it. The Ca.
tholica were is' free as men coup be. If any Gen.
tleman thought Min wrong in the statement, he was
ready to go through the whole catalogue. They
were to judge of the future conduit of the Cult°.
lies by the past. They were called on to give them
political power, and what inducements were held out
to, them to grant it ? By the grant, it was said,
they would incorporate the Catholics, ope.fifth
of us population, in the strength of the empire. The
Gentleman who had supported the motion had stated,
that the viaoties of General Hutchinson in kgypt,,
and Lord Nelson at the Nile; had beep acquired by
'the valour of Irishmen, and stated, that the Catho.
lies of Ireland amounted to 3-millions. The mi.
!ilia .and the yeomanry had pruteded Ireland ; but
he could not consent to give away, the Constitution.
He did, not think the. loyalty ofSubjects ought
su be qualified, Of that they should stipulate for terms
with. the Crown. When they were.. asked to corn.

municate ptivileges, it way not improper to inquire
witii whom. Was it with the nubs of the C4rhv.
? Could one of them derive any benefit ttogn

• -
the measure? Did the mists of the Catholics know
whit, the measure meant ? The fa6l was, all the
etriebeeitonmon people were ignorant of its meaning.
eSeme,eteeposed it to he a freedom from tythes,
eglieces,ip exemption from-rent, others an exemption
iftOm•aexese But as to'the idea of , giving political
ikeyeer to the higher classes, they knew nothing
of it. Would those who supported the &mule
pay so bad a cernplitnent to them as to sup.
pose that their
,loyalty would ,depend on the
granting of the prayer of their Petition?--He had
the honour to know some of those who had signed
.the Petition, and he knew that they were as
•lOyal men, as good SubjeCts, and as ready to come
forward in defence of their Country, us any other
description of Subjeds. They. would not thank
Gentlemep, therefore, who should- represent their
loyalty as the price of concession. When they'
came to consider what Was tmbe given, the ques-
tion was, whether they should give political power
or not ..? Whether they 'could do so ? The Eng_
lish.Catholics.did nut enjoy as many advantages as
the Irish. Did they mean, therefore, that in such
a case the Irish should sit in the House ? They
should first put,
,the }English. Catholics on the same
foutine as the Irish, and 'then throw opeit -the
repre.sentation to all. What security would then, in
that case, be for the Church Establishmini ?, Would
it net be gross infatuation tO entrust min, who
would have an opposing interest, td perform a duty
which they, were themselves bound to 'discharge ?
The Parliament alone had the right to cited.
Laws for the Church, for its regulation, and
.tor the colleelioe of its rates and dues. Would
they, fill the Parliament with Members who
would not disavow their dependence on a Foreign
Power? In 1778 something
,had been granted to
the Catholics.; ire. 1782, more hod been done for them;'
and in 1793 ,they had asked much, but Parliament
had done more fel- them. If Parliament should grant
the presenederoaeds they would nothe satisfied. If
they succeeded in getting seats in that House they
weuld,not erase till they should get possession of
the church property. If the present measure were
to be granted, they would soon Ticino a majority Of
the Members to the Parliament, and these finding
themselves incoesidelebler. in comparison with the.
total of the other Members, would be disposed to
exert all efforts to dissolve-the Union ; and as a coin.
pensatiun had been given for all the Protestant
Boroughs to the amount of ;400,0001. their re,
preeentation would be thrown upon popular eleC.
dons,' and with a Popish Pediment what security
could there be far the comic** between the
two countries ? The Right. Honourable Gentleman
then adverted loiclly and ingeniously to some other
topics urged by the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fox), and
concluded by saying, that he was certain the Eng.
heti Members would declare by an unanimous vote,'
that the Irish Membera would also ,declare by an
tesenitneus vote on- this occasion, that they were
ready to upheld the,rrotestant Conetitution, and
Protestant Establishments of the-Country.
Mr. C. POIVSONBk having been long acqueint-,
ed with the abilities of .the Right Hon. Gentleman.
would have felt despair of being aisle. to answer
his arguments if 'he had nut been assisted by a
Gewiertian for whom he entertained the,.highest
respell, and that was, by the 'Right Honourable
Gentleman himself. The Right Hon. Gentleman
had urged against agreeing to the Petition, that, as
one of the arguments in its favour was, that it
Would tend to incorporete the' Catholics with the
strength
.of the empire, and the vidories under
Lord' Nelson and Lord Hutchinson, in Egypt,
had hero obtained by Irish.valour, it would there.
fore not be necessary. New if the Catholics, by
former conceesiues,, had beetl_sp attached to the Go.
vetnment as to engage in its armies, and to acquire.
:conquest in its cause, that appeared to him a strange
reason for objetting to the further concession. The
Right Hon. Gentlemen represented the lower classes
as loyal,, which he had illustrated ley that fad, and
had declared he kneW many of the higher orders,
and perticularly some of the Petitioners, to be loyal
Subjeas and good men. But what was the reward'
of this loyalty, which The Right Hon. Gentleman •
noticed ? why the rejedion ef the prayer of their
Petition: The Right Hun. entleman had stated
also, that if the preseitt measure were to be agreed
to, there would be a considerable danger created to'
the Constitution,' by the admission .01 a few Irish
Catholics into Parliament. The KING, it seems,
was to be surrounded by Catholic Counsellors, But
who was to force him 'to chuse such Counsellers ?
And if he did, surround himself with Ministers of.
that descriptione and Alley should endeavour to in-
trigue for the overthrow of the existing order of
things under the Constitution, would it not be the
first at Of- the KING to dismiss such .wicked ad.
visers from his Counsels ? And if the Sovereign'
should negleft to
.4o so, he trusted that there
was yet enough of virtue in Parliament to addres the
Throne for the removal of such dangerous advisers.
The Right Honourable Gentleman had also stated,
,that if the present prayer of • the Petition. were 1
to .be granted, and Irish Catholics were to be
eligible to !tit in Parliament, they would soon be. •
come the majority of, the Irish Members ; here' the
argument of the) Right Honourable Gentleman ad.
vanced more rapidly in reasoning thin the 'power
oldie Catholics could do in fad; for he denied,
that even if they were rendered eligible, there would .
be more than ten Catholics in• many years. Sup.
posing, however, . 50, 60, So, or even the
whole Too. Trish MeMhers were to be returned to the
Imperial. Parliament; the Right Hon. Gentleman
admitted that this would .be inconsiderable, and
have little weight in the Scale against the other “8
Members ; and yet he had afterwards reasoned, that,
upon finding thernstivespoyessed of so little weight,
they would exert themselves, and successfully, to.
dissolve' the Union: What ! One hundred INeletne
hers, conscious of their own insignificance, to ac-
complish „a dissolution of the. Legislative Union,
against tha wishes of seB Members of the British
Parliament, and to re,e'stahlish the' Irish
went, in which they should have a majority ! '
These too were to. be Members according to the
opinion of the learned Member (Dr. Dolan/me),
that were ready to assist any Minister. Such
kigie he should not notice .by argument, thought
he felt no disrespect?, but far, otherwise, a bight
esteem for his Right Honourable Friend. He
could not omit observing on this bcession, that ,inne

' Members apptired to him to he sent to Pttl
men( • for the sole purnose of defaming their nisi
Country. He had heard such calumnies in of
they place, where he had never heard them wt
out pain, though he was•less itblianied to hear th
then than at present ; but he could not heat IL
repeated in that House without regret and
a
The best proof of the Falsehood of such caluito
was, that the persons 'who uttered them co'
walk the streets of their native town la
same security as he could. The Honourable
' Learned Gentleman (the ATTURNEY.GEN WO I
stated, that he would. not have °granted to
Catholics the' College of Maynooth, Would
have the Catholics of rank educated in For'
C°untriess or left without etiUCatioll ? If eithetvi
his opinion, he was glad he had tin yokel and, ne,
should. , If an obeasion shNuid occur for emPut
a Catholic of eminent talents, and he shrtuld
muss eli
in religious intrigues, the King would ig
his Councils-. Mr. Possaut tr- hem read a ,asp
from a Catholic prayer-book, which proved t!ist
Catholics disclaimed any vieivs on the Church E'
hli'hment. The Han. Member then ailvco4
the charader.of the Irish P,eople, and expressed
isurPrise that the Petition had not hero reser'
1"1°", .e'ven.by the Protestants. l'.e crawled
the observation, that ail the 'power anti stiergth
the- Empire depended Upon cur Europtilli 1)..
nions,' and pointed out the neces.sity'or cooho
ing all ottr strength and' resources therein. i
heartily concurred in-the Motion•
di,i77e.tri..p.Pgen/TtiTem.----3:st,,DilioffeiruigsSviir,
theas Isileoliii,r,74
also in many respeas ,from 50,01'4 to
who have (apposed it, I feel it neeesiott° 6,,
shortly, but distinetly, the views, the teotios!!.
the grounds upon which that Iceddaere f oeiat,'.'"
founded. But in doing this, Sir, war rtlnc
from expressing, in the first in:itanee, the,verf iri
satisfaflion I feel at the temper and the ochtiell,iil
slwvi ell lotihuc sh%,vt 11faioctrht Islioeh" discussion s many
s Motion
sti:oarts. Qwshn'sci's'n should ln abt ricuud4uPnci4sr.j`t4tnlci,rer3dill:luiririril )0:101111
. py, Sir, am I also; that the manner i
subjeet has been introduced hat relieved 1n4.„,f
the necessity of enterirg at Istge into those S's';
iwu..!sncdiiP-siceusssaendah'egti7reu,"lll feltwhich,
ai jselvil}ceonol;l'ell:l4luclip°,i;
I observe with pleasure, th 4 the 3PPlic,'lju'lcisi
by-the Petitioners has ;lot been advanced. Is a
wi
of right, but of expediency. I'Obsersc ',r,/,l;sigo
• equal pleasure, that the Hon. Gendeglot"—a-11
it uron that ground---cwt, that 1 mean to iatf
of
the Honourable Gentleman has abandonat the itie
. nion he fields upon .th.at tobjecl ; hut 111'1.001
application of. the prineipies which Aye i'Leseu
ed his conduit, he has thought pro'?" limey..tt
atthe ariy questiontime
possible situation of upon , the ' grittriti of ogl, noo
That is the ground upon which I feel h'c,if,-,,,iii•
ought alone to be.discussed:•for 1 cannot " 'der 101
or entertained. as a
facorlifrya:iciurisroacirtitntgiu(s,citualnlicloteisit,oooibreo.ai:s:eij,
Sir, have never been one of those who hav,c,:, oft
that the term jiipnancipatittri is in3fle icas"... yes.
fsaritoitapiluicttahcbse,lteo twot the
ici
trriepecaal
itilliitilcies
alert:
brliiillalicr;:lilio
Imsjkibly, in 174 vicw of the grottbas ni,".ll,7oiite
I may think it to be much more cuoir3ll",lll,ll,7deriV
question of right than the Ho. ";-:^oie
does. He seems to consider that Otte 10,4 ll
shade of differeece between the •exilei'lis`'clici)roa
right : whereas' my view of the differcqel, Sill'
weviiiitliestt).te,xapntddifeunne,yis:ecnotanln.cellede7sider rt3ll. :va
independeet of cifentnatances, and paratrion',',,,,,,r4c
regard to the admission of the Citholtes t , 05, pas
and in a great 'measure depentientwujittol.'ici.ifrolc:tiocirsiti
-:- to-the- eleettve franchise-,-or to any or i'li oea-s
and offices which have heel alituicil IP, . ‘,. I gir il
;these pints as disii.,Clions to be giveor °- '.l
1 who 1
sake of the - person -and the intlivideA tilic, I.
' possess them, but fur the rtke of thcPu. who•
whose benefit they were ,Created, 04 I'll iitel
:advantage they are to be exercised.-`" gto,edii
rherdites Sir, and upon every occ4'i"%roteavic
relating to the P.otnaii Catholic or ,he iihst ref
. Dissenter, to the people of Ireland, °r i,„°„,rd 00,1
of England, !have always, from , due (-7, too,
Constitution, been of opinion O"' arc ho
op
consider not merely what is desired l'Y 't.l, who!'
what is best and most aditanrageoL3 l"r,, it nor 0
And, therefore, it is, Sir, that I thiol:-
„ot iik.rl
ficient to skew that what is cleinanded is a cbet
to be prejudicial, hitt that it is roper t°:.'coortl4
prehensive view of all. the ciretunsta,7e ni 00
with it, whether they relate to the rime „t it
te measure is proposed, the manner '" /mow fr°l
dpiscussed, or,the aced that •is likflY
ot.,;(o,,ientrtlli
the discussion. 'flint, Sir, is my view -..,i,bes of ,
ing the propriety of acceding to•tbe 7. ty,„o 0
Catholics, or of refusing them, lt 03' iinfiliol
' • il.e rep e" " obt
principle alias I felt setisfallton In• . keen i
• lisped;
against the Catholics which have ,
cerpiT
all,linhneodt;pnaendwtro°imnfettr'es ishba°tldiatle°t 11
(?:;_hlie:Coll''''Senelprl>/41.1/:
which some Gentlemen Seen) !cs "`:ialist;itti°,ll;
pressed. Butt Sir/deeply asllelt stmt:
~00, to.
preys iVe
also felt that in no possible ca'c,rniicd
be g 0
Union could the privileges now (1014
Nish'proirrisio
consistently with a due repot t° the
floolity or
terest in Ireland, to the internal tran'e rotittl,`/ t
ut LI . (..
Kingdom, the frame and st tato re of 0 .r, of
onnest° et 11'
or the prubabiliiyof the permanent csir, imf il 1
land with this Country. It is different light ;,,, 0
Union I saw the subted in a urlionlciliotj,",or
whilst that event was in Nole) ahe ireolite ;chi,
the Hon. Gentleman says, that 1 inicp ; hl-1' 'OO
make a maresial CiiirergnCe in my °P /did net to. l
also stated, what is very true, that', licve ttic „ii
i oe illos
distinct pledge.' On the cttritrair):' diouid 1)1 t' r. ,0
of argument I took Wass that i'
"trevired, it, e am
right to give what the Catholics
.54ti,y, tot,n'ii,,,e
br given aftet thettrnion with Mor.f
to reto stocfrl
ire v or if it were thought 11°,1_„iihaut iti_, t,,ri
it, that it might then be refuse". 7hinightlio'irtrr
those disastrous conseque,nr, whi i th4ft° id'
I earn goi te
apprehended before the tirkloy. me jo, ae . 4 pr.,
the present discussion pearalf
olotfer
unties,4lt.,-oii.i,P
I certainly was of optnivn, lhati...,,roneii ~. PO
liarnent those
per guards ;tact cc:old tt ioni, b' 35
_7) of ttiC : l'/lir,io
danger to the E6tablibbed Cl?".inv of 010! or.
privileges m..glif.u...t, ~, ro:PPOO4i
cooltiturion, AiiJ I rot ti'. Cho Kr/

11

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'
k and lal think, if,, front Other eireulutaneet) there
was no objeetion* to coniplying with the demands of
:!!! the Catholics, and if by a wish they could be carried
' !.! into efrea, I own, Sir, I see none of those dangers
f! 'which have been urged by some Gentlemen, nor do
I think that the introduetioti of a certain proportion
of Catholics into the Imperial Parliament wouldbe
likely to be,produftive of any influence or effect de_
,i irimental or injuriouson the welfare of the State, or
the safety and security of the Constitution. Bot,- Sir,
in delivering this frank opinion, I. do not shut my
tyt, to this convietion, that a Catholic, however
Honourable his intentions may be, must feet anxious
to advance the interests of his religion—it is the
nature of min : he may disclaim and renounce this
with for a time, but there is no man who is at all
, acquainted with the operations of the human heart
who does not know that the Catholic must feel that
'anxiety Whenever the power and the opportunity may
he favourable to him. But if these guards and con.,
ditionsto which I havt4alluded had been applied, and
which, could my, wishes have been accomplished, it
would have been my endeavour to have
applied, I
Attnly believe no danger would have existed, and no
i;ijuty could have been apprehended. I thought so
m
oil molds diffetent from those which have been
stated by others : not because as Catholics they
had been engaged in
any
thin of the scenes preceding--
the Rebfllinn :I do not however, to say,
the Catholics were nut engaged,
890 in it in greater
numbers for the fe
os that lis ye been stated.—
! g'f°ther ; though Jacobin principles Were the
foundation of the Rebellion, yet I do not mean to
1?,,I
"'m that the influence of the Priestr, themselves
.". with j4,,,,,bin principles, might not have
rg,lltiwaed the evli, though they were not the cause
i,,,!1, My idea, Sit, was not to apply Tests to the taw tau" tenets of the Catholics, but Tests applicable
--.'"at was the source and foundation of the evil—
jeto render'thi Priests, instead of making them the
tzurnents of poisoning Ate minds of the people,
ipeodent in surue sort upon the Gnvernment,and thus
t,nka as it 'were between the Gsivernmerit and the
4 enpie,
That, Sir, wuuld have been a wise and a
earttPtchenaive system; that would have been the
jttem which I should have feat it to be my wish, and
I,,Might it to have been my duty, to have proposed.
',never thought that it would have been ss ise or prts.
`let to have thrown
,slown rudely or ahroink the
g,u,rda and fences of the *Constitution ; but I did
(iinsilk that if the s's'•Stem I have alluded to had been
, "tiled proper to be adopted, 'it aught to have been
iitreempanied with those checks and guards, and with
ovrrY regulation that could have given additional
),eery regulation
and 'influence to the Established Cantrell, to the
:i,),-,rt anti Prntedion of the Protestant Interests,
ernu'l i the
to of every measure that
111-*" tend to Propagate and spread the example of
vl,e Protestant Religion. Thelie were the general
ilews and •intentioos I entertained. And if, Sir, it
~,'4l l'ltell possible to have found that general con.
blip which Iso anxiously desired--if I could
ittive carried them into area in the manner I have.
01'46 ; if persons of more ability and experience
LI! tnYself would have digested them, I am still
wiciined to thiuk, that instead of being attended
veil' thole dangerous consevences which some Gen.
set'"" apptehend, they wooid have air Wed increased
1„ accurst
to the Church, and have been favourable
"othe welfare of the State, Si, the stability t the
of iTitutico, and to the general strength and interest
41,0 e Emire. But when I state clue, Sir, I must
the Ir,pilind the House, that I considered the period of
si 'flirm as the period' favourable for the adoption
- such a vive., measure....not because any pledge had been
;hat": hut beesuse there was a greater likelihood
than ;I'e measure might be, adopted after tf,e Union
tahoth3et."' it, The period was! favourable
.40 on!
*inn er aecount--fa v. unable from the recent impies.
, s that loi t
mind,,
ut, 0 L Itbe
.expecled to b; mode on men's
41/,'.
rte Probability of iocreased security from
s4l ith
the being amalgamated and incorporated
ttero.,''ir ImperialLegisle sure, remote. front the elan-
„,erus influence that might at times be supposed to
4,l4l,l4ntiel.uir, and overawe the local
.Legislature. of
, lite,,ih ?It, I repeat, that if under the recent itsi
flit 4of these circumstances I could have brought
, std the
"ttild.t -rn`4Bere as The first fruita of the Union, I
tio4:t4lfe hoped there might have been a disposi.
teliou'i've received it without rekindling othame
feelin
.11 AVliitobilies, or reviving those 'contending
%silent netween or
and Protestants whigh,
*allot",
they do exist, ate most adverse to' the
1 kite. t Iprosperity and the happiness of the
titltlered,ti Pill, Sit, was the view in which I ronsi.
e% 1" ,l/trAt important subjea...these were the
' .11,4(0N:2:etch.' wished to attain ; but circumstances,
et at that ei.reurnstances in my opinions rendered
:otansit,m,'" ined impossible to bring forward the
prilertieotille way in which I then hoped it might
tri Which i'lle,ltr bring it forward...' the only way
floattvitd ititillietrit
only o at any
. time to he brought .
rward.' sought
In which it could be brought
lab ~, with advantage
"le retitio •to the claims of those.
011r1Y111), 0 nis now under consideration, est. with
! she ,shies, all differences, of burying all
tte advdinta. od of producing that perfe& union, in '
n,li,rely cantle' td.which Gentlemen on all sides so
roicli / allude% whet the circumstances were to
it,lealltn. the a' having at that time prevented me
'1u,.1, in ni: ' 4ltentiUll Of Parliament to this sub.
'thee!, • n'anlitt and with the prospeas which I
411 it It is not now
. ! giv le eXploat. , necessary fur me to state.
kiltuife,tioiwo!
va_.e.
at_ tioht,ii,t:wthielt I thought it my duty to
inle---more I du not feel my-
et tile
Itoe lied upon to give; and nothing Shall in.
.
lths triter into.furthet details upon this sub.
'ttnin `Nil there!'
th, ,gt that 0.1 ~ "re now ' content myself with
tlt w then e circumstances whiclmade me feel'
11046 at stir ,i, ' .
Atlttri and which I,'Per to tiring forward this
jnh, nistr,tit4l,
haver. to the resignation' of the then
tirl Non uho made so deep, so lasting an
ei "Matenc r n in mind, that so long as those
IHY im , el Cf./46110 to operate, I shall feel it a
!yard_ wiltPoled u„„
i t "" the not only not to bring for.
-11/, (.._nut in
__,
lard Pr, ilf4 at ',;_ 4PY manner to be a party in bring.
Ili taus much •to,.agitating this coestion II tying
trullitet'l"d itil'orSi tritilenPuninthelopinio.na I ;hen enter.
at sa , ktlit to II ill,
~ tit ell) e$ 4. htch then, and I
%hi f 444 b"Vern my condua, I think it
I 'lilted isler the whole ifthe 1,, which I
0144_ -,
.%,,h_ . t-
,pia
tt Uhl tu, have hole essence of ' the ay stem which' -
ho„t 4, of e 14?IvietF, %.Viii a measure of Peace,
' wllltld itatt:nicianditt_i,noo—a measure'
which I did
toe tifea of sufteninE, t t,..-s.,
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n
tilt religfOus differences, of eitinguisl'g all ani-
mosities, and of uniting all men of both relign ns in
ohs common lea' for the preservation of the Con-
stitution, and for the general happiness and prove,
thy of the Enipire. Bat, Sir; desirous as I then.
was of proposing this measure, and sanguine as I
was in. my
,Ilopes,.of its success, nothing could be,
hither from my intention than to bring it 'for-
ward if there did not appear a rational prospea of
its .being carried, (not with unanimity, fur
,upon
such ,an important subject that I knew was impos.
sible), but with general concurtence, because I knew
that if it were broUght forward under other circum.
stances, instead of producing the effect I wished, it
would only tend to. revive those animosities which
I wished toextinguish, to aggravate those difficul-
.ties,sithich I wished finally to reniove.- , Not being
able, from the circumstances to which I have al-
luded, to proptese the measure which I thought
likely to be prOduCtive of such benegebil
did then form the deterniination riot to press it• at any
period, -unless I thought* could be done with that
prospect of succesa, and with that general eoncur.,
rence, without which . it cad never be beneficial.
When I use the- sere general .Concurrence, I' am
sure not be Supposed ever to hive: been so
visiortary as to. suppose that a question of stsels,
immense importance, and upon which -men's feel.
ings and paisions were so strongly excited, could,
ever be carried with perfea unanimity, hut I mean
with that general concurrence which would
have enabled us to gratify the wishes of one party,
without awakening: the fears, or exciting the 'ea.;
lousy of the other. Whatever Gentlemen may
think of the
.abstraa 'rights of the Petitioners,
or of the expediency of co,nplying with the
prayer of their Petition, I am sure they will agree.
with me in thinking, that the chance of extinguish.
ing all those animosities which have unfortunately
prevailed, and of producing that perfeCt union
which tee 'all wish, .nust depend much upon ..the
combination of circumstances under which the mea.
sure is brought forward.—Not having in any de.
gree changed my opinion upon this subject, regard.,
ing it in the ban' of view I did then, and
rekining the Name feelingl/4, I must say that' at the
present moment I think lice little .chance, I should
rather say lace no chance, ut its being cartibd at all,
certainly not in that way which 1 meant, ins) in
which way.only I think it can be productive of 'reel
advantage to the Petitioners, or of benefit to the
State, I mean as a measure of peace and concilia.
tion.---If then, -Sir, the question is not now to be
carried, I think that to agitate it, under such
cireuthstances,• will only tend to revive -those '
ditoensions Which we wish to extinguish, to awaken
all that warmth and acrimony of discussion which
has heretofore prevailed, and to excite those hopes,
which, if they, are to be disappointed, may be
productive of the greatest mischief. As to. the
chance isf, carrying the question at present, with ge.
neral.pncerrence, ,of gratifying the Catholics with.
out offending the Protestants, of confirming the
affeaions of the one without raising the suspicions
and exciting the fears of the other, not only in Ire.
lend but in 4t-tiglancl, I aimless there eppears to use
to be none. I lament it as much es any man can
do—l lament that the impression which now pre-
vails has now taken place ; many circumstances have
combined to nrrducoahat Impression, :all of which
are to be deplored. . I ask any Gentleman whether
he does mit believe, looking to the opinions of the
Members of the Established Church, of the Nobi-
lity, of the men of property, of the middling and
respeetable classes of society—l ask him whether he
does nor believe, looking 'at the sentiments of the
mass of the ProteStantS ot this Country, and of Ire-
land, that there iv the greatest rep lignance to 'this:
measure, and thit even if it could now be carried, so
far from prodinitz conciliation and union, it would
tend, un the CUiltrelq, to disanpnint ad the prospects
of ad vantage which under other circumstances would
be derived from it. Even those Gentlemen who.
have argued the most strongly in favour of this,
measure have candidly conle,sed, that ill the pre.
sent state of men's minds, it is not likely 'to
,be
carried. I am sure I shall net be-contradicted when •
I say, that ever since the Uoion this still:lea' has:
in a very considerable degree at-fretted • public et-.
tention ; and, that of late, notwithitanding the' other
events which have occupied t,lie public mind, it
has been the 'subjett of :Much' conversation both in
public and private, .particularly since the Catholic
Petition has been prectited, and since the kion.
Gentleman has given notice of hiepresent Motion;
and I should disguise my' real sentiments if I aid
not slay, 'that at prisent time prevailing sentiment is
strongly against this measure ; what circumstances
May occur to overcame that sentiment it is not for
me to predia or cOnjafture.' In speaking of thP
• pitibability of carrying this question at this time, I
cannot but advert to what fell froM the Hon, Gentle.
Man who opened the'Debate this day, respecting the'
• decision which took place last night inanother place.
I know perfealy well 'that no man can mention the
.decision of another Branch of the Legiilature for
the purpose of influencing, much less Of controlling,
the decision of this House.. I know there are many
instances where differences of Opinion have prevailed
between this and the other-Holiseof Parliament, in
which else sentiments of this House, in concurrence
with the public opinion, properfy expressed, have W.
timatelY prevailed. I am' as far 'as any man, Sir,
from wishing not to hold high the undoubted privi.
lege* of this-House; but if I am right in my gene-
rarview 'of this stihjed, I think the determination
-to which I am alluding ought not. to be laid out of
our consideration, because-it Boca 'to -the very et-
sence of the measure itself, I ntean as far as relates
to the practical advantages that are' to be derived
from it. Supposing then that we were all agreed
as to the propriety of granting the prayer ut this
Petiti in, is it not' our duty to consider what bad ,
areas might be produted by the marked 'dif.
fereoce which would, then subsist between this
House and the other branch of the Legislature upon
this subjeal, Ifcarried at all it ought, as I have ,
already stated, to be carried with general concur.
renge, and -when an endeavour' is made to carry a
measure, the °Nett of which
.is to 'conciliate one
par! of His Majesty's Subjects) care most be taken
not to shock the. feelings- of a much larger class 1./1
the cammunity. , Under such circinnstences, when
such an opinion has been given by another Branch of
the Legislatures wc arc botind to lac. it into nut

I consideration in deciding upon the lineaof condors}
we ought to adupt,, because this- is a subje4t in
iwhich no.mari can iiet wisely or prudently, who acts
entirely from. his Views orhis own feelings. It is
Iris duty to his Country; ,to the Catholics, and to
the Communir.?, to look, it It in a combined point of
view, to consider all the probable effeets of car.
tying it (if„ it were ,pradiCabley, with such a
strong sentirpent prevailing against, or of failing
to carry it, may produce.. Upon this part of the
subject there is one point on which I wisti
to say ,a few words. It has been urged by
sortie Geotlemen that we ought: to go into the
Committee,lwhateyer we may resolve to do.at last;
and soike of the minor grievances under which the
:Catholics are said to labour have.been pointed
upon whi-cli it is said there can be no difference of
opinion on the propriety of ranting ihe'm
such as the circumstance of, Catholics engaged in a
militarylife corning over to't ts Gauntry, and who
are thereby exposed to the operation orthe 'rerit A.ft;
which they are,
.not at home. Anothet,.circum.•
stance which has been mentioned is; that the Ca.:
thdlics in'the Army are not only not 'allowecifto:
have mail perforthed, but they are compelled •to
attend , Proatstant worship. Sir,l contend that
these points are much too unimportant to induce tis
to go into a Committee upon 4'Petition which em.
braces the wheleof this important atibieft, artd which
excites the' hopes and fears of all the Subjeeisof the
United Kingdom. I again repeat, that Ido lament
that this sobjea has now been brought'forviard I
lathent for toe 'isallte of the Catholics theniselves; I
lanient for the general interest of the Country, that
Gentleinen have dn.-tight proper to agitate this sub.
jet{ at thin moment That Gentlemen have a per.
le6 right to exercise their lodgment upon this sub.
jets lalo not deny ; I do slot complain of their con.
dud; I Only laMent that they have felt. it their
duty to bring it forward at.this period, and under
the present circumstances ;
,when, if they were to
succeed, the consequences would not be such as we
all desire ; and it they rail, they: may be such
is we must all regret; „ And now, Sir, let
me ask the Hon. Gentleman who has brought
forward the present Marian, and who fairly avows
Alit his objeft is that every Oitii should be con.
ceded to the Catholics—let Me ask the pther Hon.
Gentleman who supported the Motion .last night
with such a splendour. of eloquence„ what tired tLis
is likely to produce upon the Catholics therriselves ?.
When that Hon: Member, or the. Finn. Meier of
the question, talk of the effect of disappointing hopes
that have been raised,. I trust therhavcover.tated
and exaggerated it. But One of 'these Gentlemen'
did state that;
_artiongst the possible causes of a re,
ligious feeling,having mixed .and• operated in the.
late Rebellion, might b.: enumerated the hope heitt
out .by Lord
,Firr.wtt, Lt am, that the claim of
'the Catholics would be
..Weer) into Consideration.
They alledge the disappointment of. that. itope as
one of the causes that might have tended to pro_
duce the Rebellion. If that be their convihion,
what must they thir7l4: who -wish to' go into a
Committee upon the Petition, and yet are of 6pi-
nion that they 'still rnL.rve to themselves the free.
dam of rejeaing it altogether, or of rejeffing it in
its most important rots ? I submit this' to the
consideration of the. House ahOrtly, but, distintt.
ly ; it rests upon grounds so obvious end so
strong, that it will be taking up your time un.
necessarily, .to debate upon them,' 1 aubtnit this
with a wish that the measure will be brought for-
ward and carriers': with .any thing like a general
concurrence. But, the.citcuMitances`which rendered
it itupossiblb for me to urge and pro's it then, make
it impossible for the to urge and press it now
feeling as I do,
„that to press it, and to.fiii, or to
,press it aoil.even carry, it with such .a strong uppo.
croon, are alternatives, both of them so mischievous,
that it will 'be dilli.ult to decide between them..
Seeing, Sir, what are the opinions of tha. tirues—w hat
is, the, situation of, men's minds, and the sen.titnerits
of all descriptions and classes— of the other Branch
of the. Legislature, and even the prevailing.opinion
of this House, I feel that I should aft contrary to a,
sense of ny y , and e'Ven •inCorisiatently ..with the
otiginaltround upon which I thought the measure
ought to be Worthy 'forward, if countenanced it
under the preseOt circumstances, or if L hesitated in
giving my decided negative to the House going into
a Committee."

Mr. IFINPHA.I.I contended, that the exempt.
ing the Irish Catholics from the remaining, disabl.
lilies was the principal object of thos'e w'ho con.
culled in the measure of the. Union, Flow the
reasons then urged in favour of 'the propriety of
'the exemprions at that time did not apply to the
present, no explanation had been offered. Iris
only said, that the ';tare of the Public mind, that
different bodies of the People, that this House,
wtre, at the present' moment, unfavourable to
entertaining the proposition.—But• were they
not all equally indisposed to adopt it at the time
of the Union ? It such of jeetions were sufficient to
prevent the,dikussion and adoption of such a mea.
sure, they would neverbe wanting. .It was never
to be expeeted that the House or the Country would
be unanimous in embracing the tue;ssure ; or if
that unanimity was to be looked for before the.mea.
sure could be entertained,. it might as well be de_
ferred for ever. > The objections would be eternal,
for they would last as long as the Raman Catholics
remained. There must be some secret objeCtion
to it ; but that objection remained unexplained,—
It Was also argued, that an acquiescence' in the
prayer of the ISetition might be matter of expedi.
er,cr, bur nut of right. No one would assert that
it was claimed in Abe sense of an universal absolute
right ; but it was claimed as a common right which
should not be refused, unless special and adequate
causes could be assigned for the refusal. The na.
tun of the dangers attending that acquiescence
should also he made out ; nor should it be forgot.
ten that there might be equal dangers on the side of
the refusal. '

Sir J. NEWPORT would only allude to one
point which ,bad nut been touched upon in the
detest*, but which wasrclosely connetieil with the
subjett under discwsion. It had been asserted, that
in no counqy did the Dissenters enjoy so many pO.
iitical privileges as the Catholics of Ireland. He
was forward to say as._
that was not the case; for
in Hungary, a popuklui country, the tret y identical
privileges hyrc praye,_! br Cdthylits WC n

, ~. _ . . .
granted to the Protestants by a Catholic Govern.
..nent--and will you, .a Protestant Government',
refuse them to `the Cdtholiesi- who may, prove 44
useful to the empire as the Protestants so treated haJ
proved to Hungary ? , . . ...

FITZbER,I.Lb Ceitihiniself, in duty to
both Countries, hound to vote icr the cfuestion.-..
He, had voted for the Union; but he would not have
supporteti' that inr4sutc onlei ht h.id eipt4c.trd that
the granting the privileges+ now solicited by the
Catholics would have been 'the inevitable come,
quence of that measure,. He could oat but heft ei;;..
press his indignation and disgust et the grfisa and
scandalous ellumnies which some.of the /fish Nieffil,
bets thought proper, to cast upoo: their Cuuntiy—i-
they _were wholly unloam/ed, and would only recoil
upon those by Whoth they were uttered.
Mr.. AnCtiDALL watinly deprecated the granting
the request of 411 C Catholics.
_ • •

11:7r; A. DIZLON denied that any thing like
party motives. NO minded themselves. ‘; fhiS
qUeStionet He had
~opi)o,cd the 14te 0-overnth ent,
and his chief reason fur that opposition was, their
known determination not to acre le to the wishes of
the Catholics. He was,sorry Thr the languige used
by many Gentlemen in office, ani rloo..ty c.itumnett
with' the Minister. Such hingu4gs 4ugured ntr g0..14
to the Petitioners i and portended nothing but
ti,tl Litv, the Saspensiun of the liabeas Corpo,
&e. , . -

Mr. SUMP (Mea;be: For liablin) %vas deciat,dly
aka inst the M.ition.

—Mr. H. ADHINCro tq explairn tespening s.ine
allusions that had been tninle, ta' ..!-'veech ul a noble
relation of his, on the su4jtet of ;be Union, And the.
.clated, that :the present question runic.' nut meet
with his approbation, aslie &Med the agitation of
it at the.present moment highly Censurable.
Mr. J. Ls:Melia Was a.. warm friend to' the
claims of •the Catholics 'because he .was a warm
friend to every thing which contributed, to strength 4
en the Country and there was nothing, in hits
rnind, better calculated to produce that etteet than
a cordial acquiescence io these claims.
Sir J. 1-11Prtst.i•r reminded the House,: hat 30.
cording to the Qtinititution given to Corsics by our
,Government, the Roman catholic was to be the
established religion, and the other religions were
to be tolerated.. The comment on that proceeding
was obvious, and he should leave the application to
the House. ,

, . . ~.
I,ortl.l)t 131.Aqu it It 3 declared that the Petition of.
the Catholics could not now, nor at any other time,
be .entertained with ,tit manifett danger to the
Church and State.

Mti HUT --;IIINsori ...indicated Mr. SCULLY from
the imputations thrown-upon him. by some Gentle.
men, and read a variety Of passages from a tram.
phlet written by that G'entlertran, to shew the loy4l
And patriotic prisport ninthe work. The Hon. Gen.
th man (lien spoke at some length in tavour of tits
Motion.

ATTOktflitT 08:atAL. and Sir WM. SCOTT
explained.

• -Me. ti4ivitog4ti'slipporte‘i the Motion.
Sir G. firt.t. i;pposed the Motion; attritititing
those by whop') it was brought forward, motivcs of
114' rty spirit.

OPPosga the IV.l°licma
iile;eti3nlov4% o
inela*tidly called ;or.
Mr. PDX rose, and made very m141)41(.4, r vr.
His first observations were ,dirated to the sib.
,jelions that' had been Made against the time at
which this question had been brought forward.--
There was no time, in his Parliamentary life, at
which had he, been u.ked to present a P:rictun for
the extension of religious liberty,, he would have
refused. With regirrii to-the Petitioners, it might
.Iscotalced, why did they not make. this
jrnmediately after th..! unioit.?...4ecaUse or tI4 re..
signation of the Rl,,htFlian. Gentl,...nian who had
-initourtedito them his intention of f'oewarding their
wishes, and of the, reasons with 'which he 'echo.
papied that resignation. Ile had said he could nut
succeed for them; that he resigned because be could
not- succeed, but that be had hopes, he might b‘r
• able twittooth the way for Ihem,"by'preparing the
public mind' favourably to receive their claims.
Was it nut natural then,
.for the Cativdics, after
such a ticclaratiou, when they saw the Right lion.,
Gentleman.retirrn to Office, to thoosi`that as the
ailment-for makiirg their ;application ?--The
.Right Hun. Gentleman .had, however, decttoed to
introduce their Petition to the !tittle ; they tlicn
'came. to him, ansihad therefore been said to make
themselves Allies of 'ft‘ Party. lit thoeght the
Catholics did well to press the, question,, for he
was convinced the very d6ettisiutt would, be of
service to their,catue. The public would easily see
on which side the strength' of' argument lay ; '1141(1
While vet might be the decision oftlic,.House, would
form their indgrnent,accordingly. -Amidst all the
extraordinary langulge which had been held no this
siii4jea diving the discussions of the ttivo evening.,
amidst all the ignartinet and itiiheralitythathaii been
SO copiuuslyltspla.yesi, ,it was some consolation to
find, that though the Right Hon..Gentletnan did nnr
at present give the Motion the suPPort 'of- his vote,
he 'by r.o means witPhetti 4toin it tivat•oFbi., good
opinion,. it was important, that Allis should he
known,. to shame those who -were wicked enough
to wish that the Catholic claims should t e rejedted
ssentimenttlk'talli.iftagdailfl)eSetn'thaesYPeteirci(tlionti. Thit' he di,if
hat the t ercul
not believe. It was true many tespe&able bi)dies
of men had expressed such an opinion, but he very
'much doubted, Inifeed, if this Was the prevailing feel.
log. Why was it tliat'the suhieets-of a free Cnoritry,
such its ;,ours,, bore the . chara4ter of contending
for that Country with
_more tiltilllbiASM titan chit
SuhjeCts of a despotic C.iverionent 1 Deeause they
'Contended for the enjoyment of thrir civil-tights or
political- Power, which :terms were in his mind
!trYigil,c)ntil'in;:u'elvtill'ewuit''shddeirtiT:erdencf:oim)"7leleet).talir: and
political
tlitorokinfoutslelewaourltdek:dd 'tsl)4yth'ea erhCderii ig to
eh, 't
ici 1:41;
rstson
Empirelrtalosanaietj:
0(4%)IVI
filelltoi F 1: gorf tao woulditlaeti. lc.;
pi! ;0:por cui jai( ve eft c!ttf'lGial f ua ett
acq:u: dV‘a
l
to ation
t
As to, thelorm in which the subject had been brought
forward, he could not but conceive the referring the
Petition to a Committee, et tbt twat tincutpti,,,.,,,

• ,
.„,
.• ,
e,ithojie3 math; two
chrims. - One, to the in the
the Viliet'to,Seats in thtt iv!gi'sVt.ture. Some
o=ight he willing to concede the ooe but nor.
the other ; .vartous triddificatiOni theither cancession
be required. 'What, therefore, could he'rnwe
1-rr.)per than that the whole ,should•-be referred .to a..
t,.riinritittee, -in which these points.:lntgliCbe stnidy.
,li,...ussed? Great stress ba4'brenjaitton ,the•ddc.
t:it,e" promulgated:at the COuncils 'of Constance',
1-,,terati, Ste.:—bult let any one read the -"I
Articles; and -the Homilies attathed..to- them, and
would find tenets as adverse to the Church and
the Revoltitiorr; Homilies, particularly,
‘S.,cheverel took his stand in his attacks on the Re.'
volution; Mr. For advised the High Churchmen
not"l4.be toy), inquisitorial in -their reseatches into
0:!ler Creeds! It was a vulgar Saying, " those ouglft.
not ttobrow stones whose windows are made of,
It has been urged; that the agitation. of .the
Qathohc qUesti,rit would only set ve to stir up sedi.'
ti.on i'm."lrelantU Did Government 'think. Ireland
rftsic:,t,,,or did they wilfully. shut their eyes to"
; ton .?. •The effee.t..Of this proceeding would '•
wly to draw .the-attenticiniif Freland from other
c‘turitries, and 'to induce her to look, to Great Bri.
t.:in for "'refuge:- from .her distress.. He willingly.
ar,reed to thet rnpriety of all Owing the Englitdi Ca.,
t..,..Aics to share die itnratinities of their -Irish bre..
o,ten, if such immtnutilties were -.granted
Snvillncssof their number in Great Britain•was
as'strong afl alga vent flit the_ Catholics receiving
these privileges as the largeness of their number in
Ireland wits, An.'Honuurable Gentleman as.
str‘'ed, 'that if. he knew Ireland he would change
hil.,sentiments 4 he would find that.the.great'inAjo.,
rill, of the Irish-were,' if nor-adverse, at least in,.
nitf.rent to the Catholic 'application, He had. one
toieral.dy'fair•me:ins of judging ; he believed that on'
the appTpaching sh'oitld have °more.'
l Nlembers.i4lan ever beforedid,bint the honour
with him. :With what propriety, there..
lore, could the fionottrable G,:ntlentan-- say, that
WliCr.knOW 'agree.with him in
*-yit:•ton. 'On she whole,- he entreated the House to
4•:onsi4er.lllo the'quesri,,n a as'imporrant to the last
ik.•,!.;ree.; that, it involved in its determination the
in:ersos (nit only utirelqincisalune,
..hut perhaps :ul.
timately of the-whole Empire.. • - •
H ohe then divided, when there appeared,
FOr•l'vlr.-Fox!s-Motion,' :iz
Agaietst ,fit,• . - 336
• • • - I.ll,ajettit y 212
, Adjourned at Five o'clock to Thursday.

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, •
V6.ri: have just teetivea the....toorialportaot
bri)ught I)}' the M.Ol, of the.
r. 4 :of
...the ..COMBINF,I) ',FLt.ji,-FS' to
I,e HiARBOUR of .CAINZ.. They .were recon:
tv-iittc<ithere'hy Frig,atc. tifolon
!Loy sutitienanaune4,Ctecireturri iH nut konwPt.,
la-It it is pproheti that .the Lo lid tree
%cit.. embarked. botined on finding that 'they- were
.:1,-Biined fir the VV,...st: and that Com.
their () l,:er,, to }',,:turn b,tek, to or!,

TE4 II m,irnirg the Peti,•ion .of Citholics Of
1,, rvickaol tp the, 1 i .c
tltter i row& intereving ~I)c4tti. of .tivo ity
,nt ij')rity 01 21 2. The itrcoi le•htoh of the'
us t pressent troncCfrifijn.,• our r;epti(Mizral
. ,
1)0 t•vec.aprictt,avc)it) again I hpi
, .4
.;inglenrAincere-tegrf:t initti it 4;ii.4.11)et:11 titonglit
noti:r tii:t.' pr:.;,,giieit'aitinsroit,e3, to agi,.
; ;;;S,Lite,re iv,is little 1)ro-
-1.1tin4...c3ilird, the: (iiicussio-n. of
titlif.itrol to .rt irive arnrn).;ities..4olVOti every
Whitot'.
,! to la; Cotlti fi' 111 U", t 10 Beg Litt; 15,1 ;0
.;in,
.404 to et,-,,itt; i7-1.,11tn,, the:
witiih in3y be' attend:qt. Tnost
P tre fist 611111
upon this ,i1111)01' tall(
t distioiLt unti charily .;ntan.
; ltt itt the time of the
,f,.1, ti,,t{ A ',40:1,',1 LiVt'" been Wise and,

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....t to grant the of the Catholics,, but
checks and guards as would have efreau.
proviLled for the security a the fi.,t,,blished
of,tht; Constitution. Circurnltancyt, how..
ver, nt that titot rendereti itiroprattioable, for• hint to
641' (;)t. w.tril the stihi that prospeCt ofzer,c.
yal cCiDetllftlice withOUt Which lie
,thought it oitgli,t

never to be ptcposed; and 4,vitile-thcAe clqualstance9
co,tintleLl to crr:lte h shOuldalv,,aYi be adverse to
die ovation of. till:, Qitettrio,' With respeel
the piedge ,sapposed to h4ve been given by Mr.
now admitted, on all sides, that there

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-.Yeitep-1,43r ,tweive cyklock Hert MAjrsTY arid
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Poav,mouTts, MAY" I.l..—Cttne into. FTArbour
froth Spithead His Nij,:sty'4, Ship Dryad to be re.

fitted. ,

Arrived the Griffin, lIAYWARD, from Gibraltar ;
she' parted from the rest of the Convoy on the pas.;
bilge, and is come in alone,
.; :La Pry:ll94mi,', Store-ship and a Gon,brig,• with
•about'3o Sail from the. Dawns, are just hove in

Artived the Two Friends, BUR ; and; ope,
GERMAN, from London.

Sailed the Hears of Oak, for Deptford ; Rosamund,
SVIANIERS, .and Isabella, Goutt, fur.Sunderland.

PLYMOUTH, MAY 12.--This day at noon arrived,
and anchored in Ca Woan,d B ,y, the. Dreadnought, of
.98 guns, -Vice-Admiral C. COI.LINGWOOD; also,
•the Tonnant,' of 86 guns, Captain C. TYLER,
Illustrious, of 74 guns, Captain W. Sul ELD) Ra.
tnillits, of ~74 guns, Capt. F, ?tocoal, Mingo.
taur, of 74. guns, Capt. C. J.' M. MANSFIII6,
Mars, of 74. guns, Capt. S. DUFF, Bellerothon, of
;74 guns, ,Capt. J. cowts, and one other Ship of the.
•• Line, frotzi the Channel Fleet ; the remainder,
consisting of 16 Sail of the Line, appeared off the-
Harbour this morning, and afterwar.is stood away
.to the Southward. '; '

PLYNOUTH, MAY Q.—The other Ship of the
Line which arrived yesterday was the Cohrsur, of
7.t. guns, from the Channel 'Fleet. This ship, with
the seven others of the Line which arrived here,
•
are to be viaualled immediately for Foreign service,
supposed to b 2 destined for the West Indies.

The rentsithier of the Channel F.ect passed:down
Channel again lair nighr, to inutile their tatiqt)
off
Arrived th Danish Brig Youn4 jog, Captain
SY,morios, from Bourdeaux, bairn(' to Elsincur, laden
with brandy, &c. detained by the Lad) Warren
Mined Ship; latter is also arrived.

. .
Y#itmou—TH, MAY 21.1ulqu;t0 Sloop of
.ILas sent in here the Orestes Privateer, mount-
ing one 2 4.-pouniler and six swivels, and carrying
about thirty (nen.

Sailed the Rra' Ilreast and ExePtion Gun-brigs to
under jury in'asts, !oleo fitted.

1 VEAL, MAY' 14..-7SAileti 'His tVlHijesty's Sloop.
i...Auttvan, "Vanier, Finder, 11/atchfoll, Biter, and
Con(lant (3};:i-1-,rigs, for their stia}nns between Dou.
h.)gne pr,d C ii:.:is. , .. ~
Sailed the Rehfer anti Ann lote Dcfence Ships for
Porttirsouth..
,S4iied the ainish Ship Fabiar fra Staodgate
Creek. , ' ' ~

Sil Tt RN £SS, MAr, 14.,--C.tme into ,Hathour the
,I•lon..,:nricirk. • -
Atrived.thc //,,rmes Sloop of.. War, Capt.' jOs4tt
WitsTa eAc trAnt the Dowos ; ar,d Leith ter
Leith.,: with impresbeci men and Voluritc,eti•for
the Herr.
l leis dly tie Namur wai paid bOnory and two
months advance, acrd will rtoc,ci,A .to sea in a (ew
•
ifitucheirea made t9ie signals for Convoy
to the ;,! i
.E h, continue .them till.
wtit time ...is Si are appiiimed.On set viee.

-'I)I.STRIIIUVON 01- PRIZE- ,N1()N
. ,
To the O.fikers arid Comp my cf Niajesty's
niel Cuttaiio,kan,'„for the c.,ptorc of the 111,..:3 Privirteer,
It[c 2.61 1 tau, fast';' on Tuesday tile i.lth inst. on r board, or
airer....al.is 23, Norfolk,,troet, Strund
0 iiiters uui Crew .1 Sloc'T . \Var
for the (rapture of the hriy, 1,,a Darnel/kilt
I at Ptir...tAtigole's Office, falitkooth, cvcry Tuesday.
rut Pridai.

.•. • ,
's There ts, no truth in the . port n,' Sir. , joii
()it Di pi,vingru;tlein.,iided a Curt fvl-irrial cn his con..
Yoe
it • , „,motir t,e i.nro Alt ON it being itbotit
to go tii thOyest, Indies is also;e4ually titom;del.
V.',e hy letters from,yalrminth, of the nth,
1 • '
OW 1;1:3 t: rfi been received there„ for the
.:west t atifoladm. Convoy do, Elba/ivll
yrigaje, and O•e;Serp4Ti•Siotip \Si.tr, but that the
04'444'40 -17OVancc‘1.141P, it Now lig fresh. from,thei
wc„.3o,i
„,..414, A, dm v‘f.
rid.c.t.ts however.since changed,
Elioc 16 no,doubt, hut etc this, they have proceeded,-
on sheii voyage. One of the the Sarah, lnci n
w ten sror,..; from fillttord, k taking out..her,
cA,rgoi, being tokkile,lky to pypesed,,...„
K.:No:has been plealed.roapproveloc. the ap.
pointment of Mr, VA L;R It In' ANTONIO SRIXIO
11, ttrrei to he Consul for' the PR ravgl. Run nT Ut
l'ort.rtNi,AL in the,Town of Liverpool.
KING has been pleased, to approve of the
appointment of XVI t.I, lAM LYMAN. Esq. to be
Consul for Cie •United States of Alllerie4 in the
Port of London. • '• :
T. L. l'Antt.vß, Fog. gave an elegant dinner yes-
tertt )at his snit *Jr ,K+rkliam's Hotel,
`o;o6k-street, at which were. present Lords
.GRAV4I., GRAN.TIIM4, and Cuszots, Sir 'A, Homy,
the Young Itiseitts,..se'e; ' •
I'tl-11 ATR E The l'rket/ of Fortune was
cominatided lay THEIR 'M j EsTI sx last night for
.the .secotcl. time at Drury.lane Theatre, Et.t.isTow
acquitted' hiakself ably in. Penruddock, without a
servile adherence to the original "representative of
the character, difficult as it was to deviAte itum
the masterly and spirited rtelineation of the latter
with 4. doe. regard to natter. MATH i'ws was
whimsical subuitutc for Surr-r, who is in a very
alarming state of ilittegs, Tli IRM Ai ItST IRs were
four of the PRINCE`Si. The Pit
accompanied by
tx-
CFis AM:IOSI*A 1S Slightly, indisposed. The Ana-
:ol,l;Jc was tile Farce. fhe Fluuse Ivas well at-
tended-, and the Royal werc f:Fcivcd
rite snoutost aal:tion4;e i

SC lAC; JN7'ELLIG'I7,NCE,

•.

NEWM.kRKE'r SECOND SPRING

morqn.A
Sweepstakes at 2of,gs,. each, h. ft D. I.
Mr. \Vjlson's Pavilhon, Ssr %Vb.
Mr. Norton's Quid; 7st. .; -
Sweepstakes of tongs. each, h. ft. Acrass the
Mr. Laslbrokes bastar47it, tzlb. ...-
Lord Foley's 1-lippocauipol, Sst. 51b. ,
Lord C.: rosvenoeb Bagatellc, 41b. -
Sweepstakes.of zoogs. each; h. ft. Last three Miles 'of B.
C.
Mr. Niellish's Sancho, 7st. t3lb. (walked over)

I
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Ld Darlington's Butnpa; Bst beat Mr. Haworth's Tram-
per, Bst. 414. (run out of the COUISCI. M. 1004 S.
Mr. Windham's Marianne, Sst. 4 b.' beat Mr. Mellish's
Stockton, Bst, 21h. R. M ioogs.
Mr. k. Boyce's Bst. 91b. beat Mr. Mellish's
-Sancho, 7st. 'tzlb. RE M. 590 gs.
Ld. 'Grosvenor's f. by Meteor, nut of Maid of all Work, Sst.
rec. ft. from Mr.- Sitwell's sister to Cuekfighter, •gst, tib.
. M. /dogs. h, ft.
Sir John Shelley's 1. by HambletOnian, out of Brown
Set.Char-_lotte, rec. Bogs. frbm Ld Foley'S c. by 'Ambrosio, out of
lessicao, Bst. 41b. R. M. .r.-:.ogs. h. ft. •

TIJIRSDA.Y.

Fifty Pr:Kinds by Subseriptibn for 4-yr...olds 7st. Sib. i-yr.
olds Bst.6lb. 6-yr. olds, Bst.l2lb..and aged 9st.zlb.
Ld. F. G. Osborne's b. f. Elizsbeth,.s yr. '
Mr. abbey's b. g. Little john, -5 yr. - -
Mr. Wastell's.b. 1. Lumbago, 4 yr.. , . -
Mr. D. Radcliffe's b. b. brother to Vivaldi, 6 yr.
D. of Grafton's b. h. Pic Nic, 6 yr.
Grosvenor's b. c. Bagatelle, 4 yr.. -
Fifty pounds for 3-yr. old, Colts.carry_ingtst.-41b. and Fillies
Sst. K. M.
Ld. Grosvenor's b. f. Violant by John Bull, out of a
sister to Skyscraper
Mr. Griscwood's Gil. c,, Honesty . -
Mr. Sitwell's b. 1. Cliosecap - ' - 3
D. of Grafton's f. farce, by Grouse - - 4
Mr. Wardell's br. c. Capias - 5

dr
dr

Mr.. I,adbroke's b. f. DUN „
-
.D. of St. Albans's Merryinan,.ltst. 9.1 b. beat Mr: Wynd-
ham's c. by Waxy, bought of Sir F. Pooh:, 7st. toll): two-
old C. sogs.
Mr. Mellisn's Diddlcr, 7st. 13lb.- beat Sir J. Shelley's
Julia, Sat. 71b. Tworyr. old 'C. 2,00g5. h. ft.
Mr. Pantori's Performer, by Coriander, beat—td, St:tw!
ell's Gloriaua, Bst. each. 4cois the Flat,, wogs.. •
Mr, ilewortli'b Recital), tibt.,9lb. rec. ,aggs. from Mr.
Wilson's e. by Buzzard, out of Vixen, 7'ss. ,R. ;OA.s.