The Sun.
London, England, 1851-02-11 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 11, 1851.

that of my colleague and equal, Mr. Nicholls, and
what is stronger yet, below those of my subordinates
in my own office.

" I have the honour to remain, my dear Lord, yours
sincerely. " EBRINGTON."

GERMANY.

The Prussian Constitutionell Zeitung protests that
the European counter-revolution proceeds steadily on
its onward course, and that rumours and signs are
frequent whieh indicate that another coalition cam-
paign is intended to come off in spring.
"The very men," says the Constitutionell Zeitung," who
strove to represent themselves as the 'peace party,' and
who talked of the enormous coat and sacrifice of war, at
a time when we protested against any concessions on the
part of Prussia, because we knew that those very con-
cessions were pregnant with war and other manifold mi-
eries—those very men have now a liking, in the interest
of their reactionary plans, to fall foul of Switzerland and
Sardinia, and perhaps to restore Henry V."
The Berlin official Gazette and the Ministerial
Deutsch Reform publish a lengthy statement of the
miseries to which the inhabitants of the Hessian pro-
vince of Fulda are exposed in consequence of the
occupation of those districts by Prussian and Aus-
trian troops: These papers express a hope that the
sufferings of the poor Hessians will excite the charity
of the less unfortunate inhabitants of Prussia. The
Liberal press abounds, of course, in caustic remarks
on this tardy compassion on the part of the organs of
the Government.

1 The Neue Preussische Zeitung states, from Vienna,
that the last financial account, comprising the period
from the Ist November, 1849, to the end of July,
1850, shows a deficit of 55,533,619 florins. From
another comprehensive account of the Austrian Pub-
lic Debt it appears that at the commencement of 1848
the debt amounted to 1,013,000,000 florins, or
101,300,000/. This debt has since been increased by
554,000,000 florins, of which 519,000,000 are unse-
cured. The total of the debt amounts, consequently,
to 1,532,000,000 florins, or 154,200,000/.

THE DIABOLICAL ATTEMPT AT
ASSASSINATION AT WYE.
We subjoin a more detailed statement of this dreadful
occurrence:—lt appears that every Saturday Mr. Hills,
the bailiff, is in the habit of attending the market at Can-
terbury. After returning on Saturday evening last, be,
as usual, went to Captain Davis's house for his books,
and was returning through a lane, when he was shot at
from an ash plantation, and slightly wounded in the
shoulder. His escape was a most miraculous one, his
gaberdine, coat, and shirt being shot through. No
information of the occurrence was given to the
county constabulary until Monday morning, when the
indefatigable superintendent (Mr. Gifford) immediately
rode over to Wye and saw Captain Davis, and after cer-
tain inquiries, he, in the course of two hours, appre-
hended three young men on suspicion, named Hallard,
Price, and Vigeon._ He conveyed them to Ashford, and
the same day they were examined and remanded, at the
officer's request, until the following day (Tuesday),
when Price and Hallard proved a satisfactory alibi, and
were discharged. Vigeon was then singly charged by
the superintendent with the crime, and
Price was called as witness. He deposed that on Sa-
turday last he accompanied Vigeon, shooting in the
fields, and as they were returning home through Canter-
bury-lane, there was only one charge of powder left, and
Vigeon wished him not to shoot it away, as he wanted
it particularly for a purpose of his own. Witness
fired off the charge, and told prisoner he could buy
some more as they got nearer towards home. They
went a few yards on, and sent a boy for an ounce of
powder ; it was put into a lacifer-box ; the powder filled
the box. Before they bought the powder, and just after
he (witness) fired the last charge, Vigeon asked for a
couple of caps; and on giving them to him, witness
inquired what he wanted them for? Prisoner at the
same time took a round piece of lead out of his pocket,
and showed it to him (witness), who pressed to know
what he purposed doing with it. He refused to tell him,
but said he would hear of it quite soon enough. Asked
him what be was going to shoot—if it was a four or
two-legged thing—and if he (witness) should go with
him. He replied, " I laid up the other Saturday for
him, but missed him ; and if I get into trouble myself;
I dont want to bring any body else into it." They
then bought the powder. and Vigeon took it, along with
the two percussion caps and eight other caps. On the
following morning (Sunday) they had agreed to go out
together shooting again. Witness went for prisoner as
promised, but he did not go out.
Other evidence at great length was given, of a circum-
stantial nature, closely connecting the prisoner with the
offence.
The evidence of Mr. Gifford, the superintendent of the
county police, went to show that, when he tookVigeon, he
asked him," Where were you on Saturday night?" He
said," I was at home on Saturday night at seven o'clock. I
was out with young Price until between four and five, and
then returned." Witness searched the rooms occupied by
the prisoner, and found in the dwelling-room the gun pro-
duced. A piece of paper was stuffed into the muzzle,
and half the orifice was filled with dirt, as if it had been
plunged into the ground. There was dirt also upon the
lock. The cap was on the nipple. The gun had been
fired. There was also a red mark across the lock, as if
it had been rubbed against a red brick wall. At the ter-
mination of the plantation there is a brick wall with
red brick coping, over which a person must pass before
he could get into Cold Harbour-lane.
Other circumstantial evidence of a conclusive nature
was then gone into, and on Friday the prisoner was
Nulty committed for trial at the March assizes at Maid
stone.

The inhabitants of this part of the county are per
fcctly h,.rxitiod at such a desperate attempt at cold.
blooded murder.—Kentish Gazette.

SEABORNE MAILS.
[N signifies that the mails are sent from the General Poet-office
by the night—and M by the morning—dispatch.]

When made up in I From what
PLACES. General Post-office port die- ""°"
due.
London. patched.
America (by Brit. pkt.)N February 14.. ..'Liverpool • • Feb. 26
America (by U.S. pkt.) N February 21 .. Liverpool .. Feb. 17
America (by US. pkt.) 31 March 8 .. Southampt. Feb. 22
Attica (West coast).. N 14th of the month Plymouth March 3:
Alexandria. ....... N 19th & 30th of mo. Dover .. Feb. 18
Belgium • . Daily •I Dover .. Daily
Brazil .. • .. 31 9th of the month Southampt. Feb. 24
Buenos Ayres .. 31 9th of the month iSouthampt. Feb. 24
California(via Chagres) 31 17th of month !Southampt. Feb. 20
Cape of Good Hope Nll4th of month Plymouth.. March 3
Constantinople* .. • • N 7th 17th 27th of mo Dover .. Feb. 20
Central America .. 31 2d & 17th of mon. ,Southampt. Feb 20
Channel Liles • • .. N Mon., Wed., k Fri. Southampt. Tu. Th. Sa
Chili .. • • .31 17th of the month 'Southampt. Feb. 20
France .. 31 & N Twice daily .. Dover Twicedally
Greece* •• .. • • N 7th 17th 27th ofmo ,Dover • • Feb. 20
Hamburgh .• N Tuesday & Friday 'London .. Tues. Sat.
Holland .. • • .. 31 Wednes. & Satur.'London 3loinThur
Honduras .. N 17th of the month Southampt. Feb. 20
Ireland .. ••31 & N Twice daily .. Holyhead .. Twicedally
India (via Southamp.) 31 20th of the month Southampt. Feb. 28
India (via Marseilles) N 7th& 24th ofmouth Dover .. Feb. 23
Mediterranean (via
Southampton) •• M 20th of the month iSouthampt. Feb. 28
Mediterranean (via !
Marseilles) 7th&2lth ofmonthiDover .. Feb. 23
Mexico .. • . .. 31 2d of the month ..ISoutharnpt. (March
5
Madeira • • .. 319th of the month Southampt.lMarch 12
Malta* 702,17 th 19th 27th'
8z 30th 4 month
Dover Feb. 20
Nook,* •• sth 15th 25th ofm6Dover .. Feb. 12
Papal States* N sth 15th 25th of moI Dover .. Fob. 12
tenins Mar • • .. 317th 17th 27th of mo! Southampt. Feb. 15
Peru .. .. • • 31,17 th of the month !Southampt. Feb. 20
Tuscany* .. N!sth 15th 25th ofinolDover • • Feb. 12
West Indies .. 31 17th of the month Southampt. Feb. 20
Weet Indies (except
Havanna & Nassau) 31 2d of the month .. Southampt. March 9
'1 The mails to those countries thus marked (*) are conveyed by
French packet via Marseilles.

RUMOURED DRATEI FROM DR. COFFIN'S PILLS.
---
A young woman named Eliza Gould, aged twenty-one,
daughter of William Gould, tailor, Button-lane, died on
Wednesday evening suddenly, after taking some pills sup-
plied to her by Mr. William Fox, of Barberpool, agent to
Dr. Coffin. The case was investigated yesterday (Friday)
evening by T. Badger, Esq., coroner. It then transpired that
on Wednesday afternoon, at three o'clock, the young woman
took two of Mr. Fox's pills for pain in the stomach, having
once before been relieved by then'. She became so much
wore that Mr. James Gregory, surgeon, Porter-street, was
called in, and found her with a sinking pulse and symptoms
of prostration. She died soon after seven o'clock. Several
times she declared that the pills had poisoned her, and when
Mr. Fox (who paid her a visit) proposed something to relieve
her pain, which he said was inflammation of the bowels, she
positively refused to take any more of his medicine. Mr.
Gregory met Mr. Fox at Gould's house, when he (Mr. Fox)
told him that the pills contained nothing irritant or nar-
cotic—that in fact they would do neither good nor harm.
He ebjected to Mr. Gregory's treatment, and said the de-
ceased ought to be well purged. At the inquest Mr. Fox
said the pills were composed of cayenne pepper, lobrelia in-
Rata (Indian tobacco), rhubarb, aloes, copaiba, and bullock's
gall. In answer to the coroner Mr.' Gregory said he could
not positively state the cause of death, and that he had not
said that the pills had killed the patient. The inquest stands
adjourned to Tuesday for a post mortem examination.—
Sheffield Times.

1 RECTORY OF ST. PIERRE-DU-BOIB.—We have
pleasure in stating that her Majesty, on the recommenda-
tion of Sir George Grey, has been pleased to appoint the
Rev. Carey Brock to the rectory of St. Pierre-du-Bois,
vacant by the death of hi father, the late Rev. Thomas
Brock, the Right liqn. Baronet, in his recommendation
to the Crown, expressing his belief that he would be thereby
consulting the spiritual interests of the parish, and acting
in conformity with the wish of the parishioners, On the ap-
pointment of the reverend gentlemen becoming known,the
inhabitantsi of St. Pierre testified their joy by ordering the
church bells to be rung.— Guernsey Comet.

THE SEAMEN'S STRIKE IN THE NORTH.—OR
Thursday a meeting
br3e.sothlifetiomnesrwcaner_e
Id at South Shields, at which
adoptedupwards
no f
whichSeamen's sailorsth e wasnew h
articles
weereprepser
d to sea under the
new articles, and that no ships should go to sea whose mat
_ was
ships; coasting or foreign, should proceed
This latter resolution, it ,
went to the shipping•office.
stated, meant that all ships were to remain at anchor until
the question at issue is determined.
ROYAL GENERAL ANNUITY SOCIETY.—The anni-
versary festival of this institution, established in 1827 for the
relief of decayed merchants, &c., their widows and daughters,
took place on Wednesday, at the London Tavern. Mr. Booker,l
M.P.. presided, supported by Lord Saye, the Hon W. Finni",
the Hun. H. Gwynne, M.P., Mr. Blakemore, M P., Mr. G.
Hudson, M.P., the Mayors of Rochester and Abingdon. Mr.
C. Chamberlayne the Rev. J. Lister, the Rev. R. J. Jones
the Rev. Mr. Lusignan, &c. After the usual ll toas,
which were warmly responded to, several excelleoyant spec he,
were made in behalf of this useful charity, which we are
pleased to learn is steadily progressing in public estimation.
During the evening a subscription, amounting to upwards of
1,2001, was collected. Amongst them were those of the
Dul•-e of Baccleuch, 501. (to the building fund); the Earl of
Disby, 951. (alto to the building fund); Lord Leigblol. ;
Mr. Bird, 501.; Mr. Lambert, 401.; Mr. Booker, p,f,, 25/.; •
G• P • 251. ; Ur. G. F. Young, _
•

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, Feb. 10.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool-
sack at Five o'clock.
Lord STANLEY presented several petitions against
Papal aggression.
The Bishop of NORWICH presented several petitions
to the same effect.
The Earl of ENNISKILLEN presented:several peti-
tions from various places in Ireland to the same effect.
BANKRUPTCY COMMISSIONERS.
Lord BROUGHAM explained that in his statement
on Friday he had no intention whatever of reflecting on
the Bankruptcy Commissioners. More efficient officers
had never adorned the judicial bench. He considered
that nothing could be more satisfactory than the
manner in which Vice-Chancellor Knight Bruce
had performed his duties. For upwards of three
months the greater part of th'e equity jurisdiction of
this court had, in consequence of toe death of Sir Lan-
celot Shad well and the illness of Vice-Chancellor
Wigrana, fallen upon Vice-Chancellor Knight Brace,
and he had most industriously and most admirably per-
formed those duties.
The LORD CHANCELLOR bore his testimony to
the great merits of Vice-Chancellor Knight Bruce.
THE EARL OF SHAFTESBURY.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE rose to move that a
humble address be presented to her Majesty stating the
merits of the services of the Earl of Shaftesbury. That
Noble Earl had served as Chairman of the Committees of
that House for 36 years, and never had the arduous
duties which devolved upon that office been discharged
more diligently or more efficiently. During that
time the duty which devolved upon the Chairman of
Committees on private Bills had greatly increased, and
the Noble Earl had discharged those duties on every
occasion most efficiently—(Hear, hear)—and although
no person entertained stronger political opinions than
did the Noble Earl, yet he had never suffered those po-
litical opinions to interfere with the efficient and the just
discharge of the duties of his office.—(Hear, hear.)
The Noble Marquis concluded by formally proposing the
Address.
Lord STANLEY seconded the motion, and from his
short experience in that House he begged to state that
he concurred in all that had fallen from the Noble Mar-
quis in favour of the great ability, energy, and imparti-
ally of the Earl of Shaftesbury, and he believed that the
Noble Lord who had been elected to the office would be
found a not unworthy successor to the Noble Earl.
Lord BROUGHAM bore testimony to the great dili-
gence and impartiality of the Earl of Shaftesbury in the
very important duties which had devolved upon him. He
had known the Earl of Shaftesbury for a third of a cen-
tury, and it was impossible for any panegyric to be
pronounced upon him which could be too high.
The address was then agreed to nem. con.
THE CASE OF CHARLES PENNELL MEASOR.
The Earl of ST. GERMANS then rose, pursuant to
notice, to present a petition from Charles Pennell
Measor, lately a clerk in the money-order department of
the General Post. office, praying for inquiry as to his
removal from that office, and to move for the appoint-
ment of a Select Committee to inquire into the allega-
tions contained in the said petition. The Noble Earl
then proceeded to state that the clerks in the money-
order office had presented a memorial, the object of
which (as we understood) was to obtain some additional
advantages; but the language of it, although strong, was
not disrespectful; and it was supposed that, in conse-
quence of the presentation of the memorial, certain al-
terations had taken place in the manner in which pro-
motions had taken place in that office, and that, instead
of the senior clerk being appointed to succeed an officer
who had died, a gentleman had been promoted to that
office from the Edinburgh Post-office, because the peti-
tioner and his fellow-clerks had refused to withdraw
that memorial. In signing that petition Mr. Measor
was not conscious that he had done any wrong, and he
had explained as much in a letter to the Noble Marquis.
All that the signers of the memorial bad done was to
ask for an increase of salary. He felt that it was in
consequence of the adoption of his advice that this poor
man had been ruined; he had known Mr. Measor for
some time, and (as we understood) had procured him his
place in the Post-office, and had advised Mr. Memos to
adopt the course which he had adopted.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE would have had no
objection to a motion for the appointment of a Committee
toinvestigate the whole of the working of the money-
order department of the Post-office, but he must object,to
the appointment of a Committee to investigate a parti-
cular case. He had never entertained any feeling against
the clerks for signing and presenting the memorial, but
his complaint was, that instead of contenting himself
with presenting the memorial, he printed it and pub-
lished it, and endeavoured to bring a pressure from with-
out to bear on his superior officers. Now, if such a
principle were once admitted it would be impossible
that the business of any public department could be
carried on.—(Hear, hear.) But this statement was,
moreover, a great misrepresentation. Gross misstate-
ments had been made both to this and the other House
of Parliament on the subject. It had been stated that
Mr. Hill had declared that no clerk' should be
absent from his duties more than three days. That
statement was absolutely incorrect. The case was, that
a clerk had been absent for a great length of time from
illue and that Mr. Hill, in order to prevent his dismissal,
.had suggested that he might be able to have a substitute.
This clerk had been absent 37 days, while many hard
working clerks had not been absent for one day. In
consequence of this Mr. Hill had devised such a system
as should afford to every clerk one month's
leave of absence in the year, and that all ab-
sences above that amount should be paid fur by
the absent clerks finding substitutes. If a clerk
were'ill, he might agree with his fellow-clerks to do his
work, and there was one who had been absent for eleven
months in two years under that system. The petitioner
had been removed from his office for insubordination,
misrepresentations, and attacks upon his superior offi-
cers. He had himself often dismissed persons for com-
municating matters touching the business of the office
to the public, and of this Mr. Measor had been well
aware. If the Noble Earl would extend his motion
to a general inquiry into the manner in which
the business of the Money Order-office was
conducted he would not object to the motion. By the
adoption of Mr. Hill's plan in the Money Order-
office there had been the saving of the salary of 170
clerks. There never had been in any department
of the state a more economical measure adopted than
the appointment of Mr. Hill. There was no slur upon
the character of the petitioner as an efficient
person. He had been guilty of a great
error, and if the Noble Earl would extend the inquiry
he would have no objection to go into it; but he could
not consent to the present motion, as by so doing, he
would be encouraging insubordination.
The Earl ST. GERMANS thought the case was one
entitled to the consideration of the Noble Marquis. He
could not think that the publication of the petition of
his memorial to the Noble Marquis would
be considered a breach of official confidence.
The petitioner had, by his advice, acknowledged to the
Noble Marquis that he was the author of the
memorial, and in his (the Earl of St. Germans) opinion,
the Noble Marquis had punished the petitioner too
severely.
The motion was then withdrawn, and their Lordships
adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, Feb 10.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly Wore Four
o'cicck.

NEW WRIT.

On the motion of Mr. FORGES MACKENZIE, a
new writ for North Staffordshire was issued in the place
of Lord Brackley, who has accepted the Chiltern
Hundreds.

Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said that it was a common
error to suppose that the East India Company were go-
verned under a charter. The fact was that ever since
1833 the East India Company had been governed under
an Act of Parliament. At the time of the renewal of
the charter in 1812 and 1833, the Governments of the
day had seen good reason to appoint the Committee.
Such, however, was not the intention of the Ministry on
the present occasion, but if any point should ariso which
might be dubitable, they would take care that every op-
portunity was given for a full and fiir debate.
SMITHFIELD MARKET.

Mr. MACKINNON said that, seeing his Right Hon.
Friend the Secretary of State for the Home Department
in his place, he wished to ask whether it was intended to
bring in a 13111 to remove Smithfield market, in accord-
ance with the report of the Select Committee of this
House and of the Royal Commission on the subject?
Sir G. GREY said that a Bill was already prepared,
and would very shortly be introduced.
Mr. GILBERT JOrIN HE ‘THCOTE was proceed-
ing to offer some observations on the 80j-et, the purport
of which was that the change would be disagre-able to
the trade, when he was stopped by the SPEAKER, BE
being out of order.
BLOCKADE OF SALVADOR.
_ _

Mr. THOMAS BARING wished to ask the Secre-
tary of State for Foreign Affiirs. whether he could state,
or lay any papers on the table of the House explana-
tory of, the cause of the present blockade by British
force of the coast of the State of San Salvador in
Central America; and, if the reason be the recovery
from the Government of that State of claims of British
subjects, whether he could state the amount of the
whole of the pending claims, and whether there are any
similar claims on any of the other states of Central
America likely to be enforced in the same manner; and
also, whether he could give any opiuion as to the probable
duration of the present blockade.
Lord PALMEitSTON had not yet received any
statement that the blockade had been established
The claims that were pending against the Govern
ment of Sax Salvador amounted to about 28,0001.,
which had been admitted by the Government at various
times, and excuses had as otten been made for non-pay-
ment. The admiral had, therefore, received instructions
to act in connexion with the consul, and take such steps
as he might think expedient to bring the Government to
a settlement.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to the claims
upon other Governments connected with the Spanish
American. Republics they wore numerous. Buenos
Ayres, however, had acted in a most handsome and
liberal with regard to the claims upon her; but
with regard to the others, all that be could say was
that negotiations had been pending upon the subjvct.
As to the duration of the blockade, that of coarse must
depend upon the willingness of the Government of San
Salvador to meet the claim, and he hoped that as they
bad already admitted its justice, they would not be long
in bringing it to a speedy settlement.—(-Hear, hear )
INCREASE OF THE METROPOLUAN POLICE
FORCE.

Mr. STANFORD wished to ask the Secretary of
State for the Homo Department whether the augmenta-
tion of the Metropolitan Police Force, made in conse-
quence of the National Exhibition, would be paid for
out of the receipts of the Exhibition; and, whether
the Secretary of State for the Home Depart-
ment has thought it necessary to convey any intimation
to foreign powers, through the proper channel, of the
inconvenience that might arise of large bodies of
foreigners visiting this country during the Exhibition in
military uniforms, and wearing side-arms, &c.; and
whether additional provision has been made for the safe
custody of persons charged with police offences during
the Exhibition.
Sir GEORGE GREY, in answer to the first part of
the question, said it was perfectly true that it
had been thought necessary to increase the number
of the metropolitan police force in consequence
of the influx of strangers which the Great Ex-
hibition was likely to draw to the metropolis ; but
the increase would be only for a limited period.—(Hear,
hear.) With regard to the question of expense, the
Royal Commissioners of the Exhibition would be re-
quired—in fact, had agreed—to pay a portion of
the expense, that was, the expense of the
police force engaged in guarding the building
and in keeping the avenues and park in order;
while the Royal Agricultural Society, who proposed
to hold an exhibition sear the same spot, had
also agreed to pay part of the expense.
Any additional force that would be required for the
streets would, of course, have to be paid for out of the
general fund.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to the next
question, namely, as to whether any intimation had yet
been made to foreign powers, that their subjects whilst
visiting this country would not be allowed to wear side
arms, the police authorities thought that no danger was
to be apprehended from that course, and therefire that
intimation had not been made.—(Hear, hear.) Should
such an intimation be necessary, there would be ample
time to make it.—(Rear.)
THE STAMP ACT.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL wished to know whether
Government intended to bring in any Bill to amend that
part of the Stamp Act of last session which confines the
trial of offences under that Act to the Court of Exche-
quer in England?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied
in the negative, as the restriction only applied to cases
of a particular nature, which the Act it.elt created.
ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES—ADJOURNED
DEBATE.
_

On the order of the day for resuming the adjourned
debate on this Bill,
Mr. REYNOLDS said, in rising for the purpose of
explaining his reason for opposing the motion of the Nub!e
Lord the First Lord of the Treasury, he felt he had con-
siderable difficulties to contend with. Indeed he thought
when he,took,into consideration those difficulties he might
call them legion; and arranging them in numerical order,
he begged to remind the House that in the first instance
he had to contend with a gigantic and powerful opposi-
tion. He meant the temporalities of the Established
Church; and when he referred to the Established
Church, he begged to be specifically understood
as not referring to that Estahlishment in its
spiritual capacity. With its spiritual c.pacity he had
nothing whatever to do. Conscientiously dissenting
from its religious creed, he conceded to it those privi-
leges which he claimed for himselc, to worship God ac-
cording to the dictates of his conscience. With its
temporalities he had much to do,beoause he believed to the
position of those temporalities he might safely attribute
all the insults that bad been offered to his creed, and all
the disturbances which within the last few months had
disgraced the character of certain persons in this coun-
try. He hoped the House would grant him its indul-
gence, differing as he did with the majority of tne
House. And what did he find? This gigantic
church, established with its head on Cinterbury,
and extending over the whole of England and Wales—
one hand rested upon the Land's-end, another grasped at
John-o'-Groats. He found that in Scotland there were
six bishops of the English Church assuming titles, and
if he crowed St. George's Channel, pursuing the ma.
taphor, he found one heel resting on Cape Clear and
another on the Giant's Causeway. When he considered
that the Established Charon possessed in England
5,000,0001. per annum, with 1,200 benefices, and in
Ireland hall a million, with 1,500 benefices, then he felt
justified in saying that he had considerable enemies to
contend with, He believed that much of the disunion
and distf d beenuhral-ancemight be attributed to these temporali-
ties. isaid that the whole people of England
had protested against this step, but he did not believe
that he whole of England had stirred in the matter.
The churchman had shouted at the top of his voice,
but the working class, the bone and sinew of England,
bad stood entirely aloof from the quarrel.
He appealed to the common sense of the people, by
whom at last justice would be done. The word aggres-
sion had been frequently made use of in this agitation,
and, as he contended, without foundation. He had looked
in the dictionary to see what the word meant, and he
found it defined as " the commencement of a quarrel."
Now, he was told that his Holiness the Pope had com-
menced a quarrel with this country, but he denied this
in tote. The quarrel had been commenced by the
Church of England. The Pope had done nothing
more than what he had a right to do. He had
published a bull metamorphosing vicars-ap .stolic into
bishops.—(Hear, hear.) But then it was said that
the Pope had conferred territorial power upan these ec-
clesiastics. They might as well say teat the man in the
moon could confer territorial power, as easily as a poten-
tate who was the weakest in Europe. It was absurd to
say so. The real aggression was that which was now at-
tempted to be made upon the Roman Catholics of Ireland.
When Catholic emancipation was granted, one condition
was exacted from the Roman Catholics of Ireland, which
was that they should give up the 40s. franchise, and that
the 10/. should be substituted. Now he (Mr. Reynold.)
was told that in 1851, twenty-one years after Catholic
emancipation had passed, that her Majesty's Govern-
ment meant to introduce a measure to deprive the
Roman Catholics of Ireland froth the benefit of that

compact..
No Catholic' bishop bad power, by the
811, to assume any title in a Protestant
diocese under a penalty of 100/.; that was part of the
Catholic Emancipation Bill, and no Catholic
bishop had ever violated that rule. Now, how-
ever, the Noble Lord at the head of her
'Majesty's Government proposed that it should
be penal for any Roman Catholic bishop to call himself
after the name of any diocese or place in the United
Kingdom. He (Mr. Reynolds) called the proposed Bill
a violation of the compact entered into between
the Government and the Roman Catholics
when Catholic Emancipation was granted. The Nubia
Lord had said that in the year 1829 an address had
been issued by twenty-six Roman Catholic, bishops,
thanking the Legislature for the benefits which had
been conferred upon them, and the Noble Lord
bad said it would have been o will if Drs. Ma ale
and Cullen had imitated their crimple. There wss,
however, no analogy between the cases, for the twenty-
six bishops had received privileges, but the present Roman
Catholic bishops bad no privileges to thank Government
for but for penalties. The Hon. Member for Norwich
(Mr. Peto), when he seconded the Address, had said that
the Roman Catholics themselves would be benefited by
by the proposed Bill, and he had said that several
Roman Catholics of distinction were on the side of the
Governieent, and be mentioned the names of the Duke
of Norfolk, Lord Camoye, and Lord Beaumont. He
(Mr. Reynolds) had great respect for the Duke of
Norfolk, but in matters of religion he felt much re-
spect for those from whom ho received spiritual
sdvice and assistance. He (Mr. Reynolds) as a Roman
Catholic refused to be bound by the opinions of the Duke
of Norfolk or Lord Camoys, and as for Lord Beaumont,
there was no member of the peerage for whose opinion in
religions matters he had less respect. The Hon. and
Learded Member for Youghal (Mr. C. Anstey) bad
said there were two kinds of Roman Catholics—OLlO
was the Roman Catholic of the Church of Rome, the
other the Roman Catholic_ of. the Court of Rome; and
be (Mr. Austey) beleeged to the Cithehee of the
. .

Church of Rome. Now he (Mr. Reynolds), although
not deeply read, had always thought that he understood
the cardinal points of his creed, and yet he had never
heard of the distinction referred to by the Hon. zed
Learned Member for Youghal. However, it was clear
that his Hon. and Learned Friend belonged to the
Roman Catholics of the Church of Rome and of the
Court of Rome' for the late Pope Gregory XVI. had
conferred the order of St. Gregory upon him, and the
proper title of the Hon. and Learned Member for
Youghal was Sir Chisel-em Anstey.—(Loud laughter.)
The Hon. Gentleman had said that if the Catholic
hierarchy was established in this country the canon law
of the Church of Rome would be revived. Now, al-
though he (Mr. Reynolds) was not a lawyer, yet he
challenged the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal
to prove his assertion to the satisfaction of any lawyer.
It was an assertion which he (Mr. Reynold.) utterly
and entirely disagreed with. The Remelt Cedeulic
bishops would not have any more power now than they
had as vicars-apostolic. With respect to the order
of St. Gregory conferred on the Hon arid. Learned Mem-
ber for Yougnai, if he did not tell the House for what
services that order was conferred he (Mr. Reynolds) would
take the earliest opportunity ot doing so. N • one—
especially no Iri,laman—could refer to tens ques
Lion without referring to the memorable letter
of the Noble Lord at vie head of her elejeete's Govern-
ment to the Bishop of Durham. lie had a chuble reason
for referring to the'. letter,—first, because it Lad caused
him (Mr. H.) same astonishment whets h, read the trif
c,rt duly net very coinplitnen ary, in which the Neese,
Lord referred to his (Mr. Reynolds's) creel. Ss-
(wildly, why he rail.; ed to toe letter was becau,e it bea
occasioned him ( Mr. Reynold') souse pecuniary I:se.
Ever since he had been a M, mner ot the House of
Commons he had eireu hi, inv.riahle arid steady sup-
port to the Noble Lord at this heal of the Government
—(Hear, near, and loud laughter)—at least so tar as the
doing so was consistent with the exercise of his public
conscience.—(Laughfer.) Snot tly after tie publication
of that celebrated letter he had met witn one of
his constituents, who was in the habit of
doing that which he (Mr. It Inolds) was not
in the habit of doing—viz., betting. fits !need had
asked him whether he had seen his friend, Lind Joan
Russell's letter; he replied, "Yes ; he had certainly
seen a letter with Lord John Russell's name at the
bottom of it, but it was a forgery, it was not genuine."
I'll bet you a sovereign," said his friend, " Done,"
said I (Mr. Reynold.). It was not necessary
for him to tell the House that he was done.—(Rears of
laughter.) But toe H..n. Gentleman (the Meinner fur
Limerick) had stated his belief that the letter in ques-
tion contained matter which, if it did not refuse itsele
would at least be serviceable to the Church in Ireland.
They said that it would—that is, that the letter would—
largely tend to prevei.t the increase ot Catholicism. Fur
that purpose • the Noble Lord's letter was luieuded.
He would apply that to his own eerie. There was not
throughout ail England a more asalout Catholic than
himself, and he would therefore euppthe that the Nook)
Lard's letter, and still more his spa-ech, had warned
them against any increase of the Pope's power. In Viet
speech the Noble Lord had asserted that it was
the custom of all ecclesiastical communities to
encroach upon the temporal authorities.—(Hear,
hear.) To this he most consciendouely and readily
acceded. If it was the case with most ecclesiastical com-
munities, it was, as the Noble Lord had stated, pecu-
liarly the case with the Church of Rome, to which lie
(Mr. Reynolds) belonged.—(Hear, hear and ironical
cheers.) There was not a Protestant iaside that House,
or outside of it, who was more opposed to that encroach-
ment than himself.—(Hear, hear.) In his opinion
there was nothing that damaged religion mere than its
connexion with the State. He might say there was
nothing that he regretted more, and he could assert
that he wished from his heart that the Pope was not,
and never had been, a temporal Prince. It was
the connexion of his own creed with the State
which had damaged it through all time.—(Hear.) But
while saying thus much he was not prepared to assert
that al church should receive no assistance.
When they came across the Channel the case was very
different. In England the Romani Catholic population
did not contribute more than 5 per cent, of the whole
number of the inhabitants. In England, for more
than three hundred years, ever since the
reign of Henry VIII., the Roman Catholic hierarchy had
been all but dissolved. to Ireland the chain of the
apostolical descent, had remained unbroken from the
time of St. Patrick to the present time. That apostolical
succession, or successions it. might be called, was one of
the testa by which a true religion was to be ascertained.
In Ireland the Protestant Church was in the lowest
stew, and its supporters were few. In England they had
6 000,0001. a year to supple. the Estabiisnment, and
16,000 clergymen to fulfil its offices. Was it any
wonder that there should be such a discre-
pancy between the two churches?—(Hear, bear.)
The Noble Lord in the course ot his speech had sate,
that he desired that the title of bishops should
not have been assumed from dioceses in
England in place of that of vicars-epos olic, and
the Hun. Member for Kerry had expressed a cull
stronger desire that the measure should be extended to
Ireland. He, tor his own. part, desired that the
names should not be altered.—(Hear, hear.) But
what he desired was, that the meuus given to the over-
grown establishment to which he he had alluded should
be more equally distributed, and better dispased of, for
the benefit of the empire. The tact was, that the du-
ties of the vicars-apostolic and the newly appointed
bishops were the same in tact, and only different its name
The Noble Lord had told them that calling the Catholics.
Archbishop of Dublin his fa _lace, was U. mistake ,of the
Lord Chumberlaiii; but he (Mr. Reynuids) cuulJ tell
them a very ditLrent story. The, all recollected the
period ot 1821, when George IV. visited Dublin.
At that time Lord Liverpool was Prime Minis-
ter, and George IV. was accompanied by his
Lordship and the great otlieers of state,
amongst whom was Lord Sidrnoutn, the Secretary of
State for the Home De element, who wrote a letter
under the authority of the Ktrig to the embolic bishops
and archbishops of Ireland, addressing them by
their titles; and they were received in Court
in the capacity of bishops and archbishops.
They were addressed as "My Lords," and
they received the natural position which their rank entitled
them to. Now that was eight years before emaueipatiou,
and yet they were told because the same thing had been
dune in 1850 tnat it was a mistake of the Lord Cnam-
berleia.—(dear, hear.) Within the last week he
had the honour of atteueleg the levee of
Lord Clarendon, and he found that the Catholic Arch-
bishop of Dublin attended the levee. He was received
in hie official capacity, and h, got his position, which
was higher than some Protestant Btehops, and super or
to that of the Duke of Liauster. —(Hear, near.)
Last Saturday week he (Mr. Reynolds) had the honour
of partaking of the hospitality of Lora Clarendon, and
amongst the company whom he met at the Vice-Regal
table were the Protestant Archbishop and the Catholic
Archbishop of Dubtire Surely th it could not be celled
a Papal aggression. If a stranger had come in at the
time he would nut have been able to discover from the
manner of the two dignitaries that there was the
least jea ousy between them, so much was it " your
grace," hero and " your grace " there.—(Hear, hear,
tied a laugh.) All was courtesy with tne Viceroy;
no one was more remerkable for courtesy than his
Lordship, and he treated the two dignitaries just as if
there was no such thing as a Papal aggression.
—(Hear. hear.) Now if such scenes as that were
to be seen in England it would be said that the
whole Court was about to turn Catholic.—(dear, hear.)
But the Noble Lord had stated that this measure was to
give satisfaction to the Catholics. Now let him take the
whole of the Catholics of England, deducting from them
those who ' were presentalee, such as the Duke of Nor-
folk, Lord Carnoys, Lord Beaumont, and some others,
to whom the Noble Lord referred the other night, and
he would venture to say the whole of them
in opinion were hostile and in opposition to this Act.
He called it an Algerine Act, but others seemed to have
formed very various notions of it. The Honour-
able Baronet the Member for Oxford said it was
not severe enough; while the Hon. Member for K ant,
referring to the Noble Lord's letter, said he hoped the
Noble Lord would follow it up in his Bill.—(Hear.)
The Hon. Member fur the county of Limerick
considered the measure was not only insufficient but
absolutely conteusptible; but he (Mr. Re) reeds) be-
lieved it was neither insufficient nor cunteniptOle.
It was a measure of pains and penalties, and
he believed it was calculated to iisflict a wound
upon the great bulwark of civil and religious liberty.
—(Hear, hear.) He believed with his Honourable
Friend the Member for Sheffield, that it was
a step backwards, and he was ashamtd that such
a measure should be thrust upin the House out
of respect to the ignorance of the multitude.—
(Hear, hear.) The people had been so blinded, so
misled, so deceived by the agitators of the press, and
the agitators out of doers, that they had not an opinion
of their owu on this matter; while there were many
Members in the House whom the agitators had
made supporters of the measure out of sheer tear of leav-
ing their seats if they followed the dictates of their
own minds. He was one of those who entered upon the
discussion of this question with deep regret; he
had begun to hope that the time had arrived
when Protestant, Catholic, and Presbyterian could
live in peace together; but be, it seemed, had been
wofully mistaken.—(Hear, hear.) He had crossed the
Channel in the expectation that he should be called
to support motions for the repeal of the window
duty, the taxes on knowledge, the malt tax.
and such like taxes, which were obnoxious to

the country, or to expreba his opinion as to the propriety
of granting the people of Ireland somstbing like a
tenaot•right law or some priteetion of that sort, but
he h.AI been dreadfully out in his calculation.—(Hear,
hear.)

The Rouse of Commons had been siccing now

some five days, and they bad been occupied with
nothing else but this miserable, absurd, and mischievous
question of Papal aggreision.--(Hear, bear.)
It was his determination to do all in his power to oppose
the Bill in every stage. If it should pass, and he thought
the chances were it would, in"some shape, he would not
be far wrong if he prophesied that the Bill would be a
dead letter. He denied that any Government could
enforce its provisions, and if the Hon. Gentlemen
opposite were to take office to morrow, he denied
also that they could, with all their powers, carry out
any penalties against his creed in his native country,
The Right Honourable Gentleman the Member
for Ripon said, on a memorable debate last
seEsion of Parliament, that Ireland was essen-
tially a Catholic country. He thanked him for
having made the admission. It always was a Catholic
country, and be hoped he would not be thought guilty of
an exaggeration or of uttering a bigotted
phrase, when he said he trusted it would
always remain a Catholic country. what did
they care about Acts of Parliament when they dealt
with their religion? Its safety was to be found not
only in the intrinsic value
its poverty: it wig
17% i/3
of its doctrines, I
UQt clothed

in purple and fine linen, and did not
fare sumptuously every day.--(Len titer.) It wes—and
he gloried in the reflection—clothed in sackcloth and
ashes, and he hoped it would continue so. The Catholic
people supported by their voluntary contributions
3,500 clergy of regular and secular orders. These
clergy cost the state nothing, and within the
lest four years some of them had been in want
of the common necessaries of life, yet would rather be
in that state than ask men to support their
Church who did nut believe in it. He recollected an
instance lately of a Protestant rectrT of a parish
in the city of Dublin seizing the furniture of
a Catholic clergyman and advertising it to be
sold by auction for the purpose of paying an ecclesias-
tical due cell. d minister's money. Four-fif ha
of the inhabitants of Dublin were Catholics
and they paid 13,000/. a year to the
clergy of the Established Church, for
ministers' money, and yet supported their own
priests. That was spiritual and temporal superior.ty
with a vet geance. Su great was the anti-Pap i 1 agita-
tion throuchout the country. that he was astonished
not that effigies of Cardinal Wt.etnan were burnt, t.ut
that the Cardinal himself did net share the some tate.
If he were not mistaken a censiderehlo portion of
the lands of the Established Church had wren furnished
to supply the cembristible metter.—(Lemiehter.) 11: had
been told that some Catholic; would suppers this measure.
He could understand Cat holies in office voting for it ; but lie
begged to remind them that the (lay of reckoning would
come, when they would be ask -d whet her they were sent to
the House of Commons to vote penal laws against Catholic
bishops, and to t ll a dying man who should wish to leave
1,0001. to Dr. Murray for charitable purposes that if he called
him the Most Rev. De»iel Murray, Am clibi,lemp of Dublin,
all his wishes would be frustrated, and that his money would
pass to the Crown, to be given according to the will of the
donor, or as the Crown should :Ilia fit. The Noble Lord
had said that Roman Catholics were promoted to places in
the gift of the Government; but what was the fact? In the
Court of Chancery, in Dublin, the number of Pretestatos
employed was 57, whose salaries amounted to 57,0001. a year;
while the number of Catholics employed was only 16, and
their selfries amounted to 4,0e0/. a year. In the law courts
there were nine Protestant judges and 65 Protestant effieers,
whose salaries amounted to 54.7191. is=. .11d., while there
were only three Catholic judges and 17 Catholic officers with
salaries amounting to 16,757/. an Bd. The same principle
existed in the Lord-Lieutenant's household, as well as in the
Customs, Excise, and all other public offices; and the only
cure for all this, the only cup of comfort to be administered
to the Catholics, was that their bishops should not be
bishops with Irish titles. Dr. Cullee had been spoken of as
one not acquainted with Ireland, whereas he was born,
reared, and educated in that country, and was more ex-
tensively connected with the upper and middle classes
than any other Catholic bishop. The Noble Lard laboursd
under similar misinformation with regard to Dr. Wiseman,
whom the Noble Lord had called a foreigner, but he was to
all intents and purposes a British subject. He was burn of
Irish parents at Seville, in Spain' lived there seven years,
and then came and resided in his Iwn native county • f
Waterford.—(Laud laughter ) They all knew that a man
born on board a British vessel at sea might call Sussex,
Kent, or aev other place his native county.--( Renewed
laughter.) The don. Gentleman c .ncluded by disclaiming
all sectarian or bigoted views, and declaring that, with re-
ference to the Protestant Church he entertained no feeling
towards her but that of kindness and respect.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, that if the House had
taken the usual and ordinary course of allowing this Bill to
be introduced at an early period, so that the House might
become acquainted with its provisions, he should not have
thought it his duty to trouble them with any observations at
this stage; but, as they had not only been occupied one long
night, but would probably be engaged for a similar period in
a discussion with respect to a Bill about to be introduced,
in the absence of all knowledge as to its provisions—
a species of ignorance which they must necessarily labour
under—and, as it appeared to him that the observations
made by his Noble Friend on introducing the Bil', with re-
spect to its purport and effect, had been misunderstood by
the House, he was desirous of explaining what appeared to
him to be the general scope and effect of the Bill as described
by his Noble Friend. But before he did so he hoped the
House would permit him to call attention to what was the
offence which it was intended by this Bill to meet. It
was to be observed that in the course of last year the
offence consisted in the introduction of a bull, by which cer-
tain persons were entitled by the Pope of Rome to assume
certain territorial sees and dioceses, defined by certain limits.
That was the whole extent of the offence; the consequences
of it would have to be regarded and dealt with by the
House; but they were derived solely from the circumstance
that those titles were authorised to be assumed as of certain
pretended sees and rtiocerres of this country. The view he
took, which was one he thought the House would agree in,
was that in meetinng these consequences you should act on
a very sound and safe maxim of politics, and that you
ought not to introduce a remerly more extensive than was
necessary to meet the evil complained of. He thought,
therefore, if they introduced and passed a measure which
should effectually prevent persons from holding those sers,
as being bishops or archbishops of those pretended dioceses
in England, that the real object which was sought would be
found, and that they heeded nut to legislate beyond the occa-
sion, or seek to provide against possible evils which had not
yet arisen.—( Hear, hear.) Now, he believed the proposed
Bill would in fact effectually prevent the evils which
had been complained of. That such was the object
of the Bill there was no question, and that it had been
framed with considerable care to meet that object he was
well assured—it would be for the House to con-ider with
what success. He must be allowed to observe, that it was
important to draw a distinction between the two different
branches of the offence which would be constituted by the
Bill. One portion of it—a very large portion of it—had re-
lation to what was conceived by many, and, as he appre-
hended, justly conceived, to be an insult to this count ry
(Hear, hear) --the other portion of it was the injury inflicted
on certain classes of the inhabitants. But those two things
were in themselves perfectly distinct. Theme had been title
Erect, that the insult offered to this country by a foreign
poser introducing a bull, by which he professed to govern
the whole of the kingdom by his own immediate dependents,
had produced an undue belief with respect to the extent of
the injury likely to arise froin that bul ; that the two thugs
could not be separated in the public mind without some diffi-
culty, and that a very great desire fsr legislation had arisen,
not merely from the injury it was suspected the introduction of
the hull would cause, but, in a great measure, by the insult
which the public consieered to have been offered to the
Queen and to the country. As to the insult that had been
offered it would be useless to say anything. The expression
of opinion on the part of the country and of the House
was amply sufficient to show that the introduction of any
measure containing an expression of their opinion would be
' fully adequate to repel, in the most proper and dignified
manner, the insult which had been offered by the Court of
Rome. With regard to the injury inflicted by the bull, it
undoubtedly affected the Boutin Cathode branches of the
community, but it was, however, of a twof Id nature. Tee
first irjury was of a spiritual, the second was of a temporal
diameter. With the first he apprehended they had nothing
to do; and if it was possible for them to separate completely
any questions with respect to the spiritual and temporal effect
of the introduction of the bull, and the assumptions of titles
thereupon, it would be well and fit for them to do so, apart
from the question of what was due to the honour and dignity
of the country. It was said the effect of the bull in tem-
poral matters w- old be to give to certain persona assuming
the titles of archbishops or bishops of dioceses and sees the
power of dealing with appointments relating to religious en-
dowments made by Roman Catholics; that it would enable
them to deal with the property given to support charities, or
for other religious purposes, in a different and more exten-
sive manner than at present, and that the result would
be to give to those prelates powers not intended to be con-
ceded to them by the persons who founded those institu-
tions. As to the spiritual power introduced, he bad not
heard it suggested, nor had be seen it in any of the
publications he had read, that there were any specific
powers which might be enforced by the bishops of these pre-
tended sees, distinct or different from the powers which might
had been enforced by the bishops in partibus and vicars-
apostolic, or anything to show they were not as great in one
case as in the other; but with respect to the temporal power,
it was of importance, he apprehended, to stop the assump-
tion by any person being, or pretending to be, as undoubt-
edly these bishops must profess themselves to be, under the
canon law and dependent on the Pope of Rome, of dealing
with the rights and interests of British subjects in a manner
different from and inconsistent with the manner which had
hitherto obtained. The difficulty to be feared would arise
when the questions arising from these appointments came to
be adjudicated upon by the courts of law, because the courts
taking coenizance of every species of endowment for the
benefit of Roman Catholics, and ent xcing trusts connected
with them, would inquire into the rights of appointments as
mare facts to be ascertaiued,and wound refer to the authosity
of the Roman Catholic bishops to know by what authority
the persons interested had been appointed. Now, the Bill,
as was stated by his Noble Friend (Lord John Russell) on a
former occasion, was intended in the fist instance to extend
the provisions of the Roman Catholic :Relief Act of 10th
George IV., which imposed a penalty of 1001. for every
offence. in case of any Roman Catholic prelate assiine;ig the
title of any existing see throughout the United Kingdom,
that penalty of 1001. to be enforced for every offence, but
only sued for by the Attorney- General. Now this Bill, by
the first section, extended the penalties of that clause to the
case of the assumption of any title whatever—whatever it
might be—from any city, or any town, or place, or territory,
or district whatever withirt the United Kingdom. If the
clause had been found to be effectua:—a matter on which
he could not profess to express any Opinion— in preventing
the assutnption of the titles of exisnug sees, it might be
equally expected to have a similar effect in preventing. the
assumption of titles from places within the United King-
dom. But it did not stop there. Several instances had
been alluded to in which it
.was alleged that Roman Catholic
bishopsassumed the titles of existing sees, and it was
thought
at desirable to endeavour to carry into effect the ob-
ject of prohibiting the as-umption of titles by making every
act done by persons holding sees of that description in
their characters of bishops or archbishops null and void. It
appeared to him that any clause providing that any Act
whatever, or any deed, instrument, or writing made or
executed by or to any one assuming such titles, or done in
the character of assuming them, should be null and void,
twoohuilstiha temporal vethe
authority,
of completely earalyznig, with respect
bishop,
hrit.Y. all the powers ul any person taus
Maiming to be aand that it would not be possible
for him to do anything which was effectual in a court of jus-
tice for the enforcement of any religious or charitable trust
or use; for, as the Act of Parliament declared any deed by a
person in that position to be void, it could not be given in
evidence or proved, sofas to enable any one in his quality of
bi.liop to do that which, if done in any other character,
would be perfectly valid. In addition to that they proposed
to endeavour to prevent other persons giving those bishops
of pretended sees titles from any plane iu the United King-
dom, and they therefore propose to enact that it should not
be lawful for any one to endow or to give any sum of money
whatever for the support of such dioceses or sees, or to' any
person performing ecclesiastical functi .ns as such, of such
districts, and words sufficiently large would be introduced to
provide against any evasion of these provisions. They
further provided, that every devise of real or personal
Property given to any person by his title, as de-
rived from any diocese or see, should, in point of fact, be
forfeited to the Crown, anti that the Crown should be able to
diispose of it in such manner as should be thought fit. The
s street of that would be, that it would be totally impossible
for any person intending to give any grant for charitable
'purposes, of which the bishop or archbishop of the diocese
was to be the administrator, to givelt to him' by the name
or with reference to the name of his diocese. Undoubtedly
it was not intended to prevent any person making any be-
neficial bequest to any Roman Catholic; the only thing was,
that in doing so he must give it by the name in which the
donee usually went, and that, f'r example, he must give it
to Dr. Wiseman, not to Dr. Wiseman, Archbishop of West-
nAnster, as, if giYen by the latter name, it would be void,
and the money would be disposable by the Crown. The
House would see, therefore, that if it was intended to
make a beneficial bequest, it would be properly given by
the
,same of the gerund who was to' receive it ; that,- if

beti
it was a charitab'e bequest, it could not egiva
except by some name which betokened sucee!soli,on
a certain corporate character, but if it was o,tefic,
as spiritual beereets had been given to the vicars-aP.en for
it. would be perfectly good for charitable Purlla_f jaw.
the time being, and would be enforced by the courts ell en.
They had also endeavoured to prevent in any way perooll
sions of the Bill from the bequest being given to „gn-
i in connexion with the bishop, or by reference to anirsore sp.
cular see, or to the person who held it, or any
Pt v>u
pointing to an office within it, and, if any such hetlr-it eet
made, it would have to be disposed of b the Cr_,!notir
being possible for the person himself toydispose lojaP_. tbst
tently with the law. It was thought more deter:ll the
there should be a ferteiture to the Crown than too,_ewhitb,
bequest absolutely void, because there might be case
.la.anos
from accident or ignorance, a bequest might be Matletnet to
of the relatives of a prelate, when it would not be.perv4o,,ta
annul the deed, and when i was right to enable teh.e'.,„ the
to grant it to the persou intended. That was, in
nuci, ss be
general scope and ground of the Bill, and it w" ergo,
thought the II Dee would see, effectually pr,,eve:tnearpg"
fi.,111 assuming titles ;tom places in -the u°4 or ege"
don), and the existence of territorial dioceees. ,eineer
l'he case referred to by the 1101!. and Learned in, or
for alreffiele ( Mr. Roebuck ), of an archbishophelPeoleoiog
::ear Westminster, would come precisely within t,.tbee4-
of the Bill, if it could .be shown that those words by. 15o•
text had any reference to the giving of the Arehhiltll
detibtedly, in ordinary parlance, it sees true that
Ale--grave, when sitting in the House of Nott•
peers, l"" Nov
bietaro lVe,ain:tister, and in the same way r twins i•
hers iii that Heuse were Aleinbe ain %.% e'tinthstet'he fect')
only one ceuld Alember for Westminster; out tbetele
the pereeir claiming the pretended diocese residity„A
et ee-
peen
would give him no authority or title wtiatever. dins' at,
"id the would not interfere with the sYnl lb',
of the Reiman Glib' lie prelates, tat: he d'fleret nesetlael,
r, anti thought it would be the necessary wits
01 the 13iil that this action would be
It was desirable to effect that object 13, Me'
jetert tb
effectus tid
most quiet manner possible, but, if it was - feels°
it was ell he House should seek to do, enn" wee
O
rest content with provisietie suited to the oceasline
pow oni
said. again, that they did nut deal with the
a Roman Catholic priest or prelate by Inerlacesto Were
terrors of eternal punishment inducing a netseabinb ofb,h,
the perfermatfce of seve•al duties and rights Was said re
o
wise he w tilt! have done. For instance, it We resoletjto
Ree.an Catholic prelates might promulgate sor require be
to meet in a synod like that of Tburlei, anue„ pug
y
clergy to threaten to deny the sacraments to ".-0 sDo to
enlisted in the British to my or gave evidence_oloid Del 0
"curt of justice. That was possible, but it Lre wo,, 0
p-oper to introduce such a question when be? tt
reason for it, nor any likely to arise, and.. did srigeobt
hesitation in saying that if' such
would be an offence at common law, and he it!ellfett°blo
the courts of cernmon law would be found suf6cl!. eesiteo
to punish it. (Hear, hear.) It was therelfe; pere4oo
they should not attempt to meet cases °P. thel
a question dno ao
0g
were terrified by their spiritual instructors,
it tin,ylio
not cases legislation could touch, because, 1107tets 1%0
before the courts of law, they were PlanationDj
were s cret between the victim and the,llsteets,oo
afforded him spiritual instruction. Ty l, his tie
meaning by the instance already referred to heiniste,e
Friend,. where the sacraments were refused to a_frol,
Viedinent, it was obvious that it he had been be `;s
had consented to violate his conscience, entit would /3io
petard of an act of which he really approved, tones the
(1 ,fl
obtained theameuts ot the Church, an-, „t tbeeeeto
that he had nut done so, and had died wit“°,7oBo,:"
made the circumstance notorious. In ail „ellce7teent °jilt°
they must appeal to the good sense and Ju'oe.essiolledto
Roman Catholic body, who would resist the oPP'. op° ,bo
Roman Catholic clergy whenever the latter we,,r.'cionee tate
enforce it. He appealed with very great colL felt thaiett
Roman Catholic laity in this country, and "d- to C° eels
legislating ou this question they were bona one es 0,
that body as being in all respects, with °fon as the of
Lion of spiritual matters, in the same situati_ welt*
00a
selves, animated by a sincere desire for "
ntrder elidegesd,
the country, and for the preservation ce -- it oe-, , port
government. When, then, they thought it We' es
to introduce a measure of this descriptietZit it
merely for the protection of the Protestants, 'tendert °f A
conscientiously believed, not less for the Pl:°iieeeti.,t•;oll
Roman Catholic laity.—(Hear, bear.) Ile but be Dem,,otigt
large bode' of them felt in the same waYt";,ertf
they were so bound down by their religion, nYfb, veer
and by a regard for the honour of their Ch the theeleroe°
were not able fully to express their feelina Fur 01" 0
tages which would arise from the measure oneeitot
part, he would have been better pleased if then if had 13,0
it had never arrived, and if the question iteeht there "
If
arisen.— (Hea-, hear.) He must say, be theagin eatillr
be little question as to whom the Bill woo' rieetlY beef
could not satisty those who said—no doubt.illife, bed erA
scientiously—they did not believe any i;',111.-e(l'd to
inflected by the introduction of the obleetebes
hear.) These Hon. Geut:emen conscientiouslYn of em
any legislation, though it was possible Madlyif lladtO
thought the Pope would have acted more Prelf that ltokel
express d his intention to introduce a bull " who 1,01
the State and to the country. As to thesed who
upon the question in a political light, an ~e Deeeen,logr
handle of it for the purpose of embarrassing t"n 'too st'far
vernment, they could argue the Bill was eattheeld be
or that it was not strong enough, and so it ft ',re r,
bed
sable to satisfy them ; but, with respect t.' neat the
of the House who really arid sincerely felt the Vibe
been dune which ought to be redressed, he lmsorn for cs,
pmueraps(u)sreetbretwOrt7ictihietint wasabfietr aiinictleopdreciop.erhe go so
the ac'
htlaioiiacsssleiratde,aLlsbvaeydsoporbotteedssuedottleweiitrhdersruirtebr obteYtbe, vetetnne.
io tuttedw.
,boyb
iteheet sames. a
st eietl
itiogrsaofif that potes
ens to
tialdnitY 8s
theirill"'
they should obey a measure of this Pdre°BPcerirPtliVeTtilitl:ieefer°ttn;
which male it an offence by statute law tO to PO/Ppose
any place in the kingdom, or to administer the nod
with reference to those titles? He believe exist iii lea
would find the Roman Catholics would not 1, pror 0, ea
admitting that there was great danger in roaltlltt pt
on political questions, he thought he was safe ":,-ataaLl',oo
He thought it was but fair to give them an otijieb "„"bsf
seeing whether they would not obey the law `A'hi pot to
be establish d, and he felt satisfied that if they Ake faun
the law, and that it it should be necessary 10011 be I°4-nte
stringeut measures, the power of Parliament W° gine!" r.)
to be of the strongest kind, and could easily rut r,
which would amply tenet the question. .t Afor, o.l* ,ieed
He did not think there would be any necesslill-au'nees•
measure. lie telt great regret that so rash ° the
a step had been taken as that which rendered tilde< t°, of
sary—a step which could have no beneficial "affect itat,,i'lied
ft..,h,ueußd odtitsiapon,Cedathooaliied
Roman Caffeine religion, and which ht time be
w(1-eseer
perfect confidence that the Roman Cath°"" wine etas
oe due administration of thwebpiincaoilltleWeataanandintiswell/tbani:baebutdife
laity; but
bmuetasautrethe 54J11'
designed not ertly for the protect of
lie believed, for the protection of themselves ags
pet er
aseumpeon of temporal power —Wear. hear.) mein
so, owing to the noise of Al. nibers leaving
Lord ASHL .eY rose, but was inaudible for
e'floose• 'oaf
th
ass tbetonoy
charge against the Roman Catholic bishops, this teas °ode!,
had seized on, and desired to keep, positions l° bold, reeo
nr a
which they would not be allowed to occupy entei,g not
the same circu tistancvs, even in a Catholic coTtlif, was
te.
by a e,athofic Sovereign.—( Hear, beer )
of olllfilotco
question which merely affected the Churc:Ltm (Alm
(Hear,r
hear.) It was one that applied with d?eeeritbnlio,
the Wesleyans, the Independents, anti, lade
,pan °Li dtb.
class of Dissenters. It also affected the ft'?" right!flor'
themselves, and most uedoubtedly
inferior clergy of the Roman Catho to tat tbbee
hear.) Ile must here express his astonisbnle.neeter
b
ment made by the Hon. Member for Malin ere it atreCtedcru'rch..l9olto;
declared that the Dissenters of the north Wal aft,,caetre:;
up with .the opposition to the Pa; at t",,efe
piece
mination 'NO
fie could not bele expressing his gratification
mination wlfch the Dissenters came to, wilt! t e ~110 I/1; •
that they would make common cause wit," When itref
against the common enemy.—(Hear, hear' /flisselltel,—.
Member for Manchester declared that tbe "ea tO th:yinet
north had not made a movement in opP?sit4e, et<
adapted by the Church of Rome in tuts n':„.4 of l'"
ment. For what were the facts upon thisoble pheed°vehee
permitted to take exemption to the correctn- point' ft'
that a most remarkable document from to hire, ':„seen tLI
Learned Dr. Vaughan, of Moorside, Lsece bets". rwa
wagigtoreaslslittinh,aht adcleabreneenssarogf
published, in which the whole question at ,imp the
Protestants and the Roman Catholics, as teg-ete 04°4
.)oWer
_A j) Aji
utehdouwgihtth nenful 1111e-er°llfvue:P o°l6
which were the characteristics of the, boot
potic, arrogmrit,
style.—(Hear, ) He
haddeie
this d icume
cnOtit
woMel read an extract from it : the --ase
i
"In all ibis we see Romanism in a 'ol.—•-e come e
more liberal interprefations of it so comuwiention /o efor:t
Catholics before the passing of the Emanctrern tP,eeecleL,
form, iiideed, which is so much after the Poafouish P. piot'ea
and offensive, strikingly
ilrnaiong,nyinA
tunes in the h story of he Papacy', as I 5, tor egi'liberise
ere o
enough, if allowed silently to take his ceurd to tbole,,nee
dangerous alike to the British CroWo ant fathers eid
civil and religious, which our Protestan tbet 1,4
queat lied to us." rid showed jo,
This was a remarkable document' 8 more lilteoenio
were n° • by ee t
Nonconformists of these days t !lotions
wheedled out of their pure Protestzfn land, the de '0 ol
%el.:entail's address to the peeple,nf ,e,gefforts Vorgtiu'to
same direction by James 11. -
Nonconformists of former days, nY The fire' eio
(Ilea.) the ijoueeeted
urged against the proposition before it was dire, 110.0 a
weakness of the p ewer against wit"to `li?tit 00' g?
was riot w aknees a relative term? ally tillyeee 'Pet
which was physically week, be Yet /nor
of the brio eft
was it not clear, that although the iww.,enrither Viae-oold (014
sovereign was trifling, indeed, and had "
policy. that be to are)
armies to carry out his aggressive Euror„,
by his influence, excite half the nations w",pt',
his policy, and defend him against assaenwl ikispleer 130_,,'
Had not France aud Austria and Spain "onogiotgio !to
ee
subsidies to eepouse his cause a lecebil:fare the 7ed t°'
was not from tear that the measure Leo °fp
brought forward. A great insult ha° nnuit too pVsto
nation by the Pope of Rome, and that a. th._AtoOlie
repressed.—( Hear.) But then it was sold the KtistlOti. •
thins before the House would interfere. eribeloteent the Ply,
extension of the ecclesiastical policy of t.ne.eraeo"t of I tbe
religion, and that, in lac', it was an infri.r, thietc_isite
vileges granted to the Roman Catholics loTted sisojroese,'„,
Now, for himseit, be would say, and he ct .hat fet,_
A Ut held tvo
same declaration for many thousands 0 ,eid 00 be •
he hail attended several large meetings Droop
et°l to tee
tion, and had heard the opinions given eall s grarinnetr
—that he did not desire that the Priviletneeeld be riot' .06
Roman Catholics by the Act of 1829
r, tie side!' le 0
upon in the smallest degree.— ( Hear.), luweee (101 tbrjo
posing the Roman Catholics, but they fr neo.r4
whether they would allow the Catholics i.or,r,ntestaelef th's
rights which properly belonged only to t 1_ s' grgu'-oeCers,
But it w vian
of this country.—(Bear, hear. pope 0011 jog
this arrangement on the part tr the 1/°•0 °aid ,°
sary for the full development
.te_jition , ,
tholie religion. He had n „no_fee ottb,outbit ,
that by the Act of 18._•9 the. n went or he itowtfy
right to a full and complete develop
that
that 1.5 eoenex
gion, and be would
' Catholic Church which bad been gov_Tlnat beclin":„..(o7,a
for BUO years, should have the power.. le
to ni3bc3P• arrei!lei
go farther, and said
in 01..8 ve_d,
ction to .wriS
hear.) But while he would give his stn
hat terri-ry- ent. •
meat, he had heard nothing to prove
to _ ,t
sary, to convert these vicars-apost?lic Ole tit
were necessary
Roman Catholic religion to its proper e not ca bens
Cardinal Wieeman ,o tee, v i?
(Hear, hear.)
Westrt" We fl
Catholics is oci
Archbishop of the Roman Dr. .do 0
to enable those bishop!
iegitimetirb
je--000ee
in accordance with the statement which
ciaillleabistopeo,
forth to the public, the Church of R
..e The Arca, „or
over all persons, wherever it bad Pe_we!r, rindietions,,wo
Westminster would gave an extefilttcst, Terser,.
Archbishop of the Roman Catho diction'
`Babe
give a limited and a defined ju LOU? _„er t
they, were,
revolution of 1830, as evidence that
ailed to tn ,
'revolution Loctis Phillips was I,!qabe FrerlCOld
titles important? 'They had the testiml for von'
I ium, ging -nejsingr
hear.) So in the case. of Be g or p
and uo P.414b.
oiled -King of the 13elgians, 4
not as King of France, but as King 0I . • --#th •