The Sun.
London, England, 1851-07-15 00:00:00

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- TrESDAY EVENING,

avtlotmester.—(Flnitn)
Still he sai i it %multi br, notwith-
a;44'44 the completo au- 4, r to tip. chlrg.'A Lua"
4uat ht®. for tho b,,ncfit, of alt p ir'it:s that, t ii, re nhould
: fun her di,cussi:4l on this su+et•
R...f.'" a few words from Mr. lIUME, the conversation
'49Ped.

TH`E_

f the present sum. A municipal government, hk., of eof
the Scotoh burghs. would afiC si r stl the pa( ros,i(?...
Mr. HA WES said the subj,:c'. was under the c,nsi-
&ration of his Noble Fr.end at toe head of iha
office. fie c,itild n,..5? state that while in 1849 12 ships
o' an average of 9,200 tons touched at the islands, in
1850 no fewer than 23 touched there, with au average
tonnage l 3 622 ions.
The vote was agreed to.
15 5001 fair Hong•K mg.
Mr. COS rr said, lookieg at Hang-Kong in any point
of view, no colony belonging to dais country cost so
mach. The population was 33,000, of whicn fifteq.i.
sixteenths were Chinese, and ab (at 500 Europeans at :d
Americans; and for the government of these 29,000/.
were paid by Englatel. There were only 20 acres of
land under cultivation in the whole colony. the trade
had fallen ,tl' from 294 ships in 1849 to 159 ships in
1850; while th.a number of persons gatlitied to serve as
common and special jurors had fallen off v ry consider-
ably likewise. Toe wivernot and his aide-de camp,
however, received 6 0001. a year; the col mist,' secretary
and treasurer received nearly the same; and the sur-
veyor. tor surveying these 20 acres of tillsge, received
1,200/. a year. The harb cur master receive I 1.1161. a
year, while his duties were performed by a Lascar at
300/. per annum. The place was. so unhealthy that
people would not live there; but neverheless the salaries
of official persons etuount4 to 12 0001 a year. The
only reduction of expense was that of public works of
utility, the roads being. in fact, allowed to fall into de
city. while the cost of government remained at the same
figure. He proposed, therefore to reduce the vote by
5,0001.

The House then resol Y.
vtd SUPPL
itself into a Committee
Tee fallowing votes were agreed te
:
5049/. ter Bermuda,
1,501. the charge M
for Prince ee trd's Island.
tia711,617‘,/r.tftir the ecelesiasticil estsblishments of the Bri•
13 11 h American provinces.
70 6601. f tr. the Indian department of Canada.
1 ter B:hetna a
oftds
8L,.028/ charge for gtne:.raors and lieutenant-governors
o,!e West Leila Islerels.
,6_ti7sl. for the stipendiary justices in the West India
and the Mauritius.
of t.. 2.01. for civil establishments oa the western coast
nr a,
10 8781, charge for St. Helena.
U 6 3591, charge fir Western Australia.
1031 fer settlement at Port Essington.
in the next vote, 20,0001. for New Zealand, being
proposed,
Sfr. V. SMITH said he wished for information, if it
;hi?erethen convenient to give it, as to the position in
igh the Government stood with respect to this colony.
n taken from the New Z !eland Company the
eol‘.eny with all its liabilities.
ihrll% HAWES deprecated discussion on the subject at
moment, as in a few days pipers would be laid on
`4!ttable ef the House giving the most full information.
zpDlr• COBDEN cnnsidered that the outlay on New
Ti.,"nd was a sp-cimen of their c blonial Gevernm-nt.
z'_e,re were not more than 30 000 Europeans in New
.'4land, and let the people of England were paying for
Rover,
eove d
rnor,
800/ nor 2,500/, a year, for a lietrentant-
thee' f()1' a chief. justice, 1 000 L. for law officers end
also 500/, and tor a bishop from 5001 to 6001. They
Paid for a naval establiehment and an army, and
Zurlie than all 10 530/ for public works. All the New
for not make them and pay
tor th r 8 wanted roads, why
the publice He considered all this a gratuitous waste of
People neeney, end he could tell them, that when the
it, money,
a voice in that House they would nut submit
o
I,t4.re PLIIMPTRE believed there was no colony that
th,;°'tter deserving of the support of that House
%lee New Zealand. There the blessings of Chris-
inoLY, were manifested in a manner that was almost
tire;elous amungst a people that a fee, years ago
lterulecannibals. He would tell the Elononrahle
that -
Z).l nearly Loßtishop of New Z saetry was
a year, he els° received an addi-
ei"ital income irons the contribu'iona of a religious so-
t•enY* The vote now proposed was one that he heartily
cured in.
111 r.
pik W WILLIAMS wished that the religious society
tiler the whole of the bishop's salary, or if not that
hi,he Was a reduction in the enormous salaries of the
the at home, and some portion of them given to
itloop ,j 1 Icy w
ae Zealand, who he believed to be a
irl;roticeeent man. He moved that the vote be reduced
Xeliri'• FIUME observed, that every viper received from
teeethiealand contained conpl lints of the heaviness of
were tin' The people, to avoid the pressure of taxation.
the u f one the colony. He wished to knew from
4relliteler S..cretary if many persons of late had not
leaving the celotly ?
k ; WEi—Yes• going to California.—(Laughter,)
atti,C 'LUXE believe!, it was to avoid taxation. The
prppc4 e
ter wo
therks were coneidere 1 by the New Z wanders as
to reti oceolla mad
vot e by uncaloled I ir:
l and he therefore proposed
Ah 9351
ti.er,ll few words from Mr. MACGREGOR,
lend" ttAWES admitted that there were in New Z 4a-
Diti_Persons complaining of taxation, but their coin
tee 411 were not justified. In the colony the Govern-
erplttas
,eXpenditure had been reduced and the revenue in-
reni(jr. The colony, he could say, was advancing very
rhir'Y in a career of prosperity.
thet M. FOSTER observed that the colony was one
equirsd very great indulgence. It had te-n inter-
with by the Coloilial-office, and many of its in•
tielitittits had been thereby reduced to very great distress.
r' COBDEN observed that Great Britain derived no
kulbale advantage from the trade with New Zealand.
144 (:;.1Y who sold cheaper thin the Eligliso would
Vele 'ay exclusive advantage of its trade; but how
if English people to sell their gods cheap
there
1 to be burdened with taxation caused
lie each useless expenditure as this? Tne Hon.
6:l%er (Mr. Plumptre) ought to look to the condi
4711.01 the people of Kent. and see whether they would
$ tile burden of Canterbury as as of New Z
e :,,n_bieeted to their covering their bloody misdeeds with
hittiloriiii or a chapel, as the Spaniards and Portuguese
theePinated a cross in the midet of tortured nations that
ik tyrannised over, objected to the spreading of
see ewe,
or tk_, trines of their faith either through the operations
I,tr'ee,te Government or by force of arms. He would
tiees spread of Christianity to the voluntary exer
(..1 benevolent itelividuale. As to their experts to
ix,sw___4:.ttlend, they were to be accounted for by their
titC°olture upon the army end ny
vy there. He be-
tzetvd_that
onwards of 2,000 000/. had been spent in
N°"' Zeeland aince they first set f,sot on its soil, that
*oulem,il,li,"4 had been wasted, and that they never
Chants " per cent. on their outlay. Individual mar-
dieid 8 allght profit by the trade to New Z-aland, as in-
e.„,enal merchants amongst them might profit by the
they carried on with the west coast ot Africa.
fte,hild„..l• RUSSELL remarked that the H n. Member
tee " west Riding could not agree with those who took
I,itbechant's view of this subject, nor could he agree
see the Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Plumptre), who
Wfonted the vote on the general ground of charity._
u leri hear.) He did not think that the Hon. Member
It „nisch* out a case for reducing this vot,v.—(Hear.)
14-PPottred to him %lilt the subject was one that might
ie.„4Soken to without reference either to immediate
etZt or loss.—(Hear, bear.) What was the general
itrO New Zealand before England took pessession of
tett, The natives in a savage state, and the country a
It t° for the worst characters from New South Wales.
toi,',,°l proposed by certain persons in this country to
the-,;nns New Zealand, and persons went thither; but
tell Could not legally establish laws or government with-
he the consent of the Crown. This was given them, and
ti;i(lierd J. Russell) thought it was not unworthy of
14.00nntry to redeem that colony from a state of bar-
tie:tit/a on the one hand, and endow it with represents-
the institutions on the other. It was for this purpose
leeklttauta were made yearly; but he (Lord J. Russell)
et 441 to the time when the colony would support itself
New ant period. He had appoin' ed the 13ishop of
ktieh4daittl, and he thought 600/ a year was not ton
tf t'r men who worked sincerely at the holy work
de:eliding the Gospel, With respect to trade no pro-
140d,,c'r New Zealand had any advantage over foreign
Ity :9e; and it seemed to hitt), therefere, that the coon-
teels"lght still very justly go on paying these sums for
time inn
tit n ger„-
Non, HUMS said these grants were destroying the
eieloLl"tween 79 000/. sod 80,000/. were expended,
-.'epe of the cost 0; the army tied navy, for the be-
he eh 61 10,000 European colonists. On that ground
°ls 04°Iti'd oPPose the grant. The cost of that mis.ra-
-I°4. °IIY Was some 300,0001. or 400,0001. a year to this
ter
; 1,1,1 N pr
SIPTHE believed the missionaries employed
slope% ze'sland had been sent Crum the Church Ws-
-4°4 suciqy, and he was informed they had great
the 4:14i • Good reasons had been adduced for extending
jestiGnilion to New Z4eland, nod the Government were
%Neel therefore, in the grant as far as they were con-
%
keki:I4.I)ENISON was inclined to agree with the Hon.
see ners for the West Riding and Montrose, that roads
the Pub works were not items which should figure in
thouestueete.
He should not oppose the vote, but he
the,V.li the House should express its opinion that
ase netas should not be charged to the people of this
Mr
to tr, kE would therefore give the people of Kent
tehgortunity of taking the sense of the House on the
The
Committee then divided, when there anpeered—
For the amendment... ••• *** 23
Against it 5227
••• ••• te•
The Majority
• ••• •••
kieed gallery was then cleared for a dtvi-ion on the
teel, Mein tf the Hon Member for Lsmbeth; but none
biwnPkee as it was uuderetood the motiou was with.
The vote was then weed to,
o
001. for the Falkland Islands.
reply to a question by Mr. COBDEN,
41. AWES said th4de e actual p .pulation of these is.
,r very small.--(A laugh.)
• •COBDEN, said the p, put. tin was little mere
th 9,100 Perseus and yet here were' ;10001. a year for
fOrerfin),,n't
4410,e the
W: ,ene sent Heated that it would be better
u"' Population to Canada, as had been
oelnfullt.l the case of Port Essington. They might be
ti
,kr,tablY maintained at halt the cost of their govern-
o this country.
RURE thought the House should not go on
111 "P "a, the money of the country in that manner.
b.
..reon4. a regular governmental establishment for 100
le VC' the e WILLlAMS said 700/. a year was collected
the 5
to for the purposes of government, as well as
tee to uirs paid by this country. It was time to put an
'IIhe..,I:I4.WES said the Falkland Islands could not be
tjuered simply as se colony, bet as a naval station.
eery red simply
circumstances an establishment was neces-
sepe't'nd it could not be maintained without a certain
If England gave up these islands there were
or • Pere other nations ready to take them for the same
IThe .5 they were now held—namely, a naval station.
34e r
0P:132: of the government had been reeuced since
lttenl 9.0001. to 5 0001 per annum. The station
he 41,4,..1.: more resorted to now than it was before. and
inhenito.uriul Produced a greater amount of food for the
k. sr.'''.
what ~,,;()ONEI, said the surveyor cost 1.200/. a year;
to re his du •
amen les to justify the receipt of that sum in
alp
it w ,a Peeniatiehe
`l,l4„W_ B%id. wherever there was land for sale place than Depiford tor the 01,
el
bi,Md.,..s.bGifia)UoieLD thought teat Southampton would
`nee w- .Y 5 necessary Lt. have a curve ul. The pope- of emizrauts. The ch-16. at Depifurd was amo 1
001,,T1y. tuereaeing, and so were the sales of land in the convenient one.
vo e was then agreed to.
iturnigeatt„sniTie
2s„, 4. DENISON a the meaning of the sum 60 0001. for the expense,
t htt
hoced
tnoebgero
Me HUME thought is
BLvcoleofoucgab'
kan'w,..tice-A.leWtoEdSessearivdethmeensuttmonwas so exceedingly small to until the Committee were informed whether the
to r* COED k • •
oched asked how many merchant vessels t also to hear some statemAfrican squadron was stile
ln
tt
olbset:ownibittetuebrla.d
Fibeeen
during the tse9g.reed
le es year.
at EN
Falkland Islands last yea, ? The year with re'erenc,- to the si i.ve trade
,hc,
PPS e ves.el h
• ON said the Committee would
Air,t Hochte Governor
ed teuched there, according Viic twit PAL tit .i i ilea
dune
nb•eet l at '.l3r
recollect that in the diseu,sion on the s j 3
rent 111"VES was not ,
" tou . . PrePar"(l fn say exactly,
ins dist twelve months than had
".4rt"hut assurances were given thut .surewshwicohui lifbal(iiettoarkesonmtoe
add to the rfficiv,ncy of the force
of that greater
vfitp FUME thought the time b'-en employed. In consequence
QM the eo may might still be retained
.stringency
a o d oh
goTernmeoi ooetbig
..uatol64 Que.fg......hiew of I Aft which, be was glad to
jiadthebeouensite.97,.rocrisitiled,, both on the coast of

Mr. HAWES said there seemed little encouragement
to the G,►verriment to Durso, a course of seionom v. The
paper !ail on the table showed a reduction o 4 5001 on
the estimates of last year. The c ,st :4 Nelar'o4 alone
in 1845 6 was 35 800/. while the coat in 1849 50 •was
only 29 1001, b,ing a reduction ut 6 6001 to volt period
Wilh respect to public works, OA Hon. m,!n
would find by the paper before the House, that, though
there had been a great reduction, there hid been no
negli ct. The colony was, no d .übt, an extravagant
one; but the reduction marle in the cost of us govern-
want had been from 1849—when it was 49,0001—t0
1851, when it was 15,2001. There had been a great in-
crease of trade in the colony, and from 1848 to 1849 the
Population had increased by 8,000. He trusted, tnere-
fore, the House would not agree to the amendment,
considering the great importance of th.t colony to the
country. _ _

Mr.HUME was very much misinformed if the whole
object of the colony had not failed. It was expected to
concentrate the trade of Canton, but it had not done so.
The time was, therefore, come for the entire review of
the establishments of this country in China, especially
that of Hongkong.
Viscount PALMERSTON said that as a commercial
depot Hong-Kong had answered to a great extent. There
was a direct tra.ie with many parts of Chins. But it
should not be considered as a commercial station merely
—it should also be considered in connexion with its po-
litical bearing on Chino. It bad been pressed upon him
by the Commissioners at the settlement of the affairs of
China, that some spot free from Chinese caprice should
be secured to this country, and Causer' was mentioned;
but authorities in this c ontry thought Hong Kong pre-
ferable. It, was in his opinion, h twever, necesstry that
there should be some spot on the coast of China where
Briti.h m,reh nits coal I be free from Chinese capr
and not placed at the mercy of whatever party halt the
governmenf, of Canton. Of late ih.-re had been a re-
action in Chinese policy against European int-rc,mrse,
and alt,mp:s had been mad • oven to infringe he treaty,
which, it was hoped, ;voted need no hing more than re-
monstrance Bat if the Cninese threw ti,tficul•ies and
onstructi ns in the way, it was of itnrat nse importance
to have a c.-ntrel authority for the protection or British
trade and commerce. Tne Governor of Hong-K mg had
civil mud criminal Jurisliction. and that formed a consi-
derable portion of his duties. Under these circutnstances,
and seeing the importance of Hong Kong in a politics!
as well as ta commercial point o, view, he did not vita
the expense was greater than the oonsiderations which
were pleaded for i s trosioten.t.
Mr. W. WILLEAMS said Dr. Bowring got only
8001 a year, while the Governor of Hong-Kong, wao
could not be for a moment compared to him in point of
experience and ability, got 6,0001. That was prepos-
terous,
Viscount PALMERSTON slid Dr. Bowring had per-
formed his duties with great ability and great success.
Ha should protest against the compsrisons drawn be-
tween the Salaries given to S?cretaries of States at home
aad those serving abroad. It should be considered that
those tiff !era who were sent to a foreign station often
went to an unhealthy climate, were banished from home,
and were frequently under gr..-at expense. Many vain-
ahli lives had aeon sacrificed on these stations, and Hon
Gentlemen were often eblieei to leave in cons qut-nce of
ill health. Those who understood the scale of -official
salaries could bear testimony to the fact that those ap-
pointed for Clina were very reasonable.
Mr. CI.AY said it was highly unjust to compare sa!a-
ries of offices at home with those anroad.
Mr. HUMP: thought that 3.0001 was toe much to
pay for receiving a duty of 22,0001.; and 1,2001. was
too high a salary for the surveyor-general of an island
20 miles in ex eta.
Mr. HAWES said the salaries had been well consi-
d. red. ono Viet' fix,d at a rate which was thought rea-
s..nable. Considering the climate of the place it wits
most urjust to mth.sure the salaries with these in
England.
Mr. SCOTT said they thought 39 0001. was too large
a sum for the government of such a place.
Mr. MACGREGOR was confident the Noble Earl at
the head of the Wound Department would carry out
the reductions which he had con:menet d. When he
thought of 'the contifience with which ships went out now
to China, he a.serted that Hongkong should be by no
means held in light estimation.
rate. ways Captainwhethere
thoughtSC °t
hae E
cLtohLi
eo nesy: could or u:
lhdoafbt
teh they had
nheeradndoarttoawecaohanesmai consider
extravaeant.

Mr. LI AWES said it wail not as governor alone he had
that palary, but as geueral superintendent of 'our trade
in China. . . .

After a few words from Mr. HUTCHINGS, the
Committee divided, when the numbers were—
Fir the amendment
Against it

... 39
:.. 65

M..jority in favour of the original vote —26
The vote was ihen agreed to.
A sum of 5.5001. was then proposed for the governor
and deput%-gov. rnor of Labusn.
Mr. HUME thought the vote was too large fol. its
obket.
Mr. H AWES said Sir J. Brooke was governor, and
Mr. Scott deputy governor; end that thar. vow had been
deerPaiing every sear. In 1849 it war, 7,8001.; in 1850,
6,7001., while, in 1851 it was uuly 5,5001
Atter some discussion, in which Mr. Urquhart, Mr.
Williams, Mr. Hume. and Mr. Anstsy, took part, the
vo.e was awe, d in without a division.
A sum of 25,3311. was then pr iposi-d to d. fray the
eXp,-qISeS of the Colonial Land Emigration Board and

offices.
Mr. SCOTT said that vote was about 12,0004 more
than it had b-en last year. But when it was considered
that about 280,000 emigrants last n 4 every year, he did
not teink th« coin prop seed was too great t.,r the objects,
b cause, eut of tbst 280 000, about 120,000 were under
the Colonial Land and Emigration B eine The services
or these Enrgration Commissioners were by no means
commensal- rte with the salaries paid to them, because in
proJortion as the expense went on the number of emi-
grants to th-ir colonies &creased, while those that went
to other parts of the world bad in proportion increased.
Ht attributed this state of things to the inactivity of
their Commissioners. fie trusted that the Hun. Gen-
tleman would consider seriously whether the Board
might not be made more of ci nt for the carrying out of
these obi- eta for which it was formed.
Mr. HAWES said, that since the year 1847 emigra-
tion had increased considerably to their Australian co-
lonies. He must remind him that the emigration whit'
was going on absorb, d o .noderaoly more than the funds
that were appropriated for the purpose by Radian:tent.
It should also be recollected that the colonists, who were,
of course, consulted on the matter, desired that only a
partieular class of emigrants should be sent out namely,
the able bodied men, and those that were enanled by
their knowledge of certain mechanical arts to confer per-
manent adventsge upon the colonies. As Pa, iainent
had not allowed funds enough to meet the whole ex-
neuritis of euagraion, it was it emed necessary to raise
more funds by land sales in the colonies. With these,
however,„, the Comnit.sionera had nothing whatever to
"". "..1 Colonial office had considered this question
tih re. a pruesmenE t Emigration Board.
th on
m 'St Cully, and alter the utmost deliberation th,y came
to the opinion that it was impossible the busiiie,s ot emi-
gra""n could be carried on in a better, more econ .micidt
or more sunties-ful manner than under the system adopted
by
Olt that as the Hon. Member had
stated that he knew to whom the contract would be
shael'ai sacra that s
tendersre had been offered he
fi
given, a charge was made against a public department,
and that Some explanation was required.
file. to repeat that from
tkhnemwotSmneeen°ga
terhrtei,
man
whose render would be accepted,
althougholes that tender Was 30 per eent, higher thau the
hr.
lie wished, also, to know, as the number
Mr. HUME thought that such a statement reqnired
some answer.
of Commissioners had been increased, whether they were
all fully employed?
Mr. HAWES, in answer to the first remark,
said, be
thought when the Hon. Gentleman opposite said he
knew to whom the contract would be given, that, he
merely meant to say that he suppos, d it would be given
to a certain person. He was sure the Hon. Geutletram
did not mean to impute to the Commissioners any uutair
dealing in the matter. la selecting; which tender to ac-
cept. the Commissioners had to consider not milresely the
Witn ect
amonut, but various other circuinstanCes p
to the duty et the Commissioners, he could a.sure the
Hon. Member for Montrose that TIO public “fficerki were
more laterriously employed than the Cotntutssionera

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StrN,

LONDON,

say, had h ten attended with vary gri at success; intieett, I vessels. He was gratified at the good that had already
with a mere rapid success than c tuld have been ex- i been dene, but he die not place entire reliance in the
peered. Ou the cast of Africa the slave trade might exerctetiens erseerteined of suppressing-the slave trade
be said to be tor the cuotneet aenest ext•nguiebed north altogether, though certainly such a consummation would
of the line. With the txceptien ef only two nieces, be most agreeable to him.
.Lagoa and Porto Novo, near Whydah, the British Mr. HUME wished to know what proportion of the
cruisers had spoilt the slave trade at other places; 34,000 captured slaves had been liberated and sent to
so much en, that those who had hitherto traded in the West Indieq
slaves now dealt in ivory and other products of the Mr. HAWES was not prepared to answer the question
country. Persons connected with the natives stated at that moment.
that the slave trade existed only •in the minds of The vote was then agreed to.
those chits'. who got presents and profits from the On the next vote, for 14 7501. f the expenses of the
adave dealers, but that the bulk of the pe pie were ex mixed Commission for suppressing the slave trade with
ceedingly commercially inclined, and were anxious to foreign pot. era,
buy European commodities with any produce of the Mr. HUME asked if the vacancies which had recently
country which Europeans would take. Fur a long time occurred were to be filled up?
they had never tikeu anything but slaves; but now they Viscount PAL M ERS TON said he hoped the expenses
pref -rred ivory and other products of the country. En- of the commission would be reducedvery soon,.and no
dea,vours were also making to extend the cultivation of unnecessary vacancies would be filled sip.
the cotton plant, and specimens had been sent to Man- The vote was agreed to.
chester, which had been 'reported to he of a-very value- On the next vote for 148,4901. for the expenses of the
We kind, likely to tech a high price in the Manchester consular estahlishments abroad,
marker. As far, therefore, as related to the coast north Mr. URQUit Aar moved that the--chairman report
ef the line, the slave trade had been almost put an end progress, as it was understood no money was to be voted
to. In the Portuguese settlements the slave trade had after twelve o'clock, and this motion was a sort of retalia-
, also very much diminished. The Government of per. Lion for what Government had done the other night.
tugal had cerdiel:yeand be believed sincerely, co-operated Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the Hon. Member would
with the British officers. Seine of the ine rior officers allow the votes to proceed.
ef the Portuguese settlements still yielded to the temp- Mr. URQUHART said there was- a matter of great
rations of the slave-dealers; but'at Benhuele and Loan. importance involved in the vote the House were about to
dos the slave trade might be said to be paralysed. Many enter upon; and exhausted as the House was by pre-
of the slave traders had suspended their business, and had vious discussion, he should press his motion fur the
turned to traffic of a differ, nt kind. On the sou kern coast chairman to report progress,
the Imaum of Mumat, during the last year, had safferded Colonel SIB CHORP thought the vote important, and
facilities far checking the trade, and the result had been that the motion ought to he acceded-. to,
that in one river in the south of the Imaum's dominions, After a few words from Mr. C. LEWIS in explanation,
where a crest trade was carried on for the supply of Mr. BRO rnERTON explained the motive for moving
B azil, barracoorts bad been destroyed capable of holding the adjournment the other night, which be declared was
5 000 elavo s. On the toast of Africa, therefore, by the done without any concert with Government.
greater vigilance of the cruisers, by meals of 'hose Mr. HU VIE thought the
.ULKI. 'Member's motion for
tresti s made with the native chiets, and which he was reporting progress was reasonable.
happy to say many of them had °beery- d with great The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped
fidelity—by the progress made in Liberia—and by the estimates would have been finished by F. iday night,
the co-operation of the etehoreeee in the Portuguese but if the Howe progressed at the present rate he was
settlements—great progress had been made in chocking afraid the estimates would not be tiesed before next
tee trade. He was happy also to add, that the met week, instead of the present week. Be bad hoped the
cordial and perfect co-operation had prevailed between House would have been able to adjourn the first or
the British cruisers and those of France and America, second week in August; but he feared if the estimstea
and that our commodore had expressed in the strongest were so protracted it would postpone the adjournment of
terms the great obligations he owed to the active and the House to the middle or the end of August.
zealous supp art and co-operation be had received from Mr. WILLIAMS bald it had been the practice of the
the French and American threes employed.—(Hear.) House for years not to vote money after twelve o'clock,
The great place to which the slave trade of Africa hart and he considered the practice ought not to be departed
been directed was to the coast of Brazil, and statements from.
had been made before the Cominittee on this subject of After a few words from Colonel SIBTHORP,
the enormous amount ef slaves that were larded on that Lord J. RUSSELL said ho should have no objection
coast. In the early part of last year the British cruisers to agree to the rule of not voting money after twelve
which bad been for a long time detained in the River o'clock at night; but it must be recollected that when
Plate in consequence of our differences with the Go- the estimates came on it frequently happened that three
vernment of Hu- nos Ayres, were concentrated on the or four hours were devoted to discussion.;
coast of Brazil, where their operations began to be The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
much more ecive and eff.ctual. Communications had Fir reporting progress ... 26
taken place with the Government of Brazil, and the result, Against it ... ... 107
as had been stated by his Noble Friend in the early part of Majority
the session, was, that the Brazilian Government, in Mr. HUNI B moved that the Chairman report progress.
September last, passed an additional law for the preven- Lord J. RUSSELL said it would be impossible
lion of the slave trade by declaring it to be piracy, and to proceed it the Honourable Member persisted with
had at last exerted that vigilance, and put forth that his motion.
power, which, in his opinion, it was always in their The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
power to have done it they chose.—(Hear, hear.) The it would be impossible to say when the te scion would
effect lied been the almost total extinction of the slave terminate if so much time was occupied with motions
?rade in Bryrl. The number of slaves imported into preliminary to going into Committee ot Supply.
Brazil ii 1850 was not above half the number brought Mr. HEY NoLlee denied that he had been a party to
the country in former )ears. The greater number wasting the time of the House.
was al easy, brought in the early part of the a ear, but Ater some discussion,
in the first quarter of the pre,ent year, up to the Ist of The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained
April, very few slaves had been breught to Brazil. The leave to sit again.
number heed been stated at only a fsw hundreds, instead The report of the Committee of Supply was then
..f the thousands that used formerly to be imported, brought up and agreed to.
The Government of Brazil had co operated must ice On the motion fir the second reading of the Convey-
cerely and most off -ctuelly in fulfilling the obligations ante of Mails by Railways Bill,
of the treaty between Brazil and England, in carrying Mr. REYNOLDS said there was a long list of op-
into eff cc the law. They, in this country, bad always posed Irish Bills on the paper, and be therefore moved
leboure I under ti great mistake in euppesing that the the adjournment of the House.
Brazilian nation, as a motion, would cline to the slave Lot dJ. RUSSELL said he had no intention of press-
trad-e. The fact was, that it was only a certain number log on any opposed Irish Bill.
of Portuguese families, of great influence, that main- The motion fur the adjournment was then withdrawn
tensed the traffic ; and the opinion in leveler of it and the second reading of the Bill postponed.
was a eaetitieus opinion, and taut the opinion of the All the Irish Bills were then postponed. with the ex-
Brhzilians ,theuselves. Within the last two years ception of the Constanularary Force (Ireland) Bill,
there had grown up in Brazil a powerful, active, and which was read a second time. ,
intelligent anti-slave trade parry, with newspapers The Merchant Seamen's Fund Bill passed through
devoted t e their ciuse, and eneireteg their opinions is Committee, and toe money clause was added.
the Per 'lenient ot Brazil. He believed he might say Sir W. SOMERVILLE obtained leave to bring in
that a large majority of the Brazilians were opposed. to Bill to continue certain temporary provisions relating to
the shave trade, and that the p arty in its favour was a the collection of grand jury cess in Ireland; and also to
very small one, and consisted chit fly of foreigners. The provide for the due annexation of an isolated District,
result had been, that the Brez iivt Government had torrnerly of the county of Dublin, to e barony of the
employed several cruisers to co-operate with the British aunty of Wicklow, for the purposes of grand jury cos:
cruisers in sexing slave-trading vessels. They had de- ant other purpete a.
stroyed the baracoons along the whole extent of their Mr. BAIN ES obtained leave. to bring in a Bill to con-
tinue the Act for charging the maintenance of certain
coast and had brought to trial the persons accused of
slave-trading. 'They had captured slaves who had been poor persona in unions in England and Wales upon the
landed and dispersed in plantations, and they had exer-
common fund; and to make certain amendments in the
cised, in one or two cases, the powers given them by the laws for the relief of the pour,
constitution, if banishing persons notoriously engaged The other business was then disposed of, and the
in the slave trade. who, from some technical difficulties, Huuse aojeurned at. a Qeerter past One o'clock.
eettle not be bough( under the jurisdicion of the courts.
Having been Inferuied that a great number of these
Peraugueee triad rs had left Biwa and had g ne to Por-
algal, he hid writreu to our consuls at Uporto and
Lisbon on the subject, and had learned tha; no 'ewer
than 140 of thetae traders had gone to Portugal—had
there invested their gales, giving up the slave trade in
despair —(Hear, hear.) He had also been told by a
naval offi,er who arrived from Brazil the other day, that
one person engaged in the slave trailer had lost, from
first to lest, in that trade, 65 vessels by capture, valued
at 2,5,101 each; so that the Committee might judge the
loss inflict .td by our squadron, when this one trader had
lost in cotteequenee of it vessels of the value of 200,0001.
—(Hear, hear.) Another proof that the Brozilians had
given up the practice ot slavery was to be found in the
tact of a capital ot 1,200,000/., which had been engaged
in the slave-trade op. rations, having been invested in a
bank in Lisbon. A most fortunate oh ange.—(Hear.)
In a debate recently in the Brazilian Parliament, his
found the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Senbor Olinda,
expressing in the strongest terms his censure of the
slave trade, condemning it, and declaring it had been so
condemned by the voice of all nations. 0 hers, toe,
dwelt upon the pernicious and demoralising effects which
the slave trade had produced in their own countries.—
(Hear, bear.) And, indeed, they had received a pretty
good lesson on the subject in the terrible pestilence
which had been imported from Africa, and that had
carried away so ninny persons of influence as well as
such numbers of the populace. In fact the results
%ere far greater than ner Majesty's Government mild
have hoped to have found them It was hoped trey
would be permanent, previded there was the same pro-
vieiens and watchfulness kept up for a time. Iu Africa
the natives were finding the advantage of being engaged
in a legitimate trade ; they found it more profitable
than a slave trade, whilst in Brazil it was begun to be
seen that slave labour was more costly, more expensive,
arid more dartg,rous than tree labour. The Government
discover, d thi-, in the explesien of a powder mag-ziue,
which had been werked by slaves—they found it, toe,
in their arsenals and other places where slaves were
employed, and where a considerable cost was occasioned
by having persons to °verse- slaves, and to use the whip
in le-,epieg them to their work. The change of opinion
in Brazil was most encouraging and gratifying, atid he
believed be might congratulae- the House upon the sue-
csss of their long •contitaued elf arts to put down the slave
trade.

Sir J. PAKINGTON heard with satisfaction tha
statement of the Noble Lord; but he doubted that they
would succeed in suppressing the chive trade, when they
encouraged it by tAing the produce of shave labour.—
(Chevrs.) He wished to know from the Noble Lord
when the dooutnents referred to in the Q 1-en's Speech
would be laid on the table, and also whether there had
nut been en increase of the slave trade in Cuba?

Mr. Scully p;i►ed lor, *itti Mr. B ,uvrrie acfainPt.
Mr. Re) noldb's motion on the grant to the Dublin
hobpitais.
Mr. Slisirt, Knox was accidentally shut out from
voting in favour of the annual grant to the Dublin hub-

Lord PAL VIERSTON replied—The papers were in
prep iration, and would be laid on the table in a few
days. As to Cuha. they had the promi eof the Spanish
Government to discountenance the import of slaves.
After a sew words from Mr. VENISON,
Mr. HUME considered that the change on which the I
drop,thh 0 but,
squadron
ri
vfreaoueiesttr,ramhtgnetiaam.ltdiinpgbellteltrut,
Noble Lord congratulated himself might have been est-
i-ailed long since if the Noble Lord bad withdrawn the
fleet, and induced the Brazilian and Spanish Govern-
ments to fulfil their engagements—to act iii the manner
in which they appeared to have hem doing of late.
Mr. M. FORSTER emeidered the Noble Lord and
the Government emit!. d to great credit for havii.g per-
severed in their policy. notwithstanding the opposition
that had been made to it by a considerable party in that
Utilise.
Sir T. ACLAND also joined in the congratulations
of the House upon the success of the policy of the Noble
Lord.
Sir E N BUXTON also congratulated' the Noble
Lord on the suce-ss of his efforts in the suppression of
the slave trade. It was said this would hay been done
without the fleet on the coast of Africa. That was a
mistaken opinion. The change in Brazil was produced
by its having been seen last I ear that this was made a
Government question, and that the best exertions would
be male to trut an end to this horrible traffic.—(Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL would hardly have thought it
necessary to say a word on the present occasion, had it
not been me-Geary to prevent the House from being led
away by what had fallen from the, Hon. Member for
Montrose. The Hon. Member advised the House to
consent to withdraw the African squadron—which,
.if
done, the Hon. Member considered the slave trade would
now cett‘e. He must beg the House to believe if this
advice were taken that the result would not be as sup•
posed, but that we should again behold all the horrors
of the slave trade fully revived.—(Hear.) He was not
giving his own opinion only, but he was also giving that
of the gallant admiral who had just returned from the
coast of Africa, and who said if we continued the Afri-
can squadron for a fav years more we should find that
we were able i-Jeatly to dimish the expense of that equa.
ffu.
haupttt,
prpf
fiHittrtsheei isen wouldsetrnautt rh
slave,
,Ifteo,, nrdf
aco slave
force were
tradeti bwie, enae
tt:sretaaom•
tdkehieeaett.
patio
tupurlpr.u-
tre, dp) .
present
chatnnee:,
aviog hitherto supported the G iveronnent in their at
tempt to induce the Brazils to discontinue the slave trade,
would continue their support, as the progress that had
hilarity been made
afforded the greatest encouragement
f:lfitqle:ririst.tttapisg(eil
antrehotica.n).:vt
Sir G. PECti ELL wan of opinion that, if the African
te'l.:o,pusetttlangrh
should not succeed in convincine France we were in ear-
owing to the power to take slave-vessels from under the
was satisfied we should soon see the total annihilation
of the slave trade. He thanked the Noble Lord for
to the co-operation of the
in a great degree, the
the support he had given to this question.Braz Is rather than to the effees of the squadron. If
s u pLporreds - iao n "ftA INh
eEbiitv slave
attributed,irade
we cultivated a good understanding with the Brazils we
should be able to attain our object much earlier than by
the , adoption of the proposition for constructing near

'4UI ;T

! The Queen and Prince Albert visited the showyard
yesterday while the ju,lges were eneageel in making their
! awards. This is, we believe, the first time that her Ma-
jesty has honoured a meeting of the Royal Agricultural
Saciety with her presence. She wa<received by the Duke
of R,iehrnonCtlirPiesident; Mr. Branireth Gibbs, ho-
norary director of the show ; Messrs. Stokes, Jones,
and Milward, the stewards of cattle, &e. ; Mr. Barker,
the steward of finance, and Mr. Hudson, the excellent
sec•etary of the society, who was presented to her Ma-
jesty by his . Grace. The royal party remained for
some timA in the yard, and the Q teen appeared espe-
cially interested and delighted with her visit, wnich was
even extended to a survey of the dinner pavilion. Her
Majesty paid most attention to the South Down sheep,
the horses, and the pigs.
After the adjudication of the awards yesterday we
were enabled to take a hasty survey of the display of
suck, and now proceed bri, fly to r ecord our general
impression as to its character. In the first place, then,
and as a whole, the Show is not only in quantity, but
in quality, which is more important, decidedly su-
perior to any of its predecessors. The South Down
sheep, the short-horns, the Herefords, and the pigs,
are its strongest points, and are of surpassing
excellence. In the first Mr. Jonas Webb car-
rises everything before him, and completely beats out
of the field, with his Cambridgeshire stock, the
Sussex breeders. The first prize short-horned bull is an
exceedingly showy-looking and fine animal, but has one
defect which it seems questionable whether the judges
were right in overlooking. Io all the classes ot cattle
the female specimens are particularly good, and excel
the male. This is an unusual characteristic of the so-
ciet)'is shows, but is regarded as satisfacioty, and as indi•
eating increased attention and success in breeding. Of
the porcine display. the public will hear with pleasure
that it possesses its usual attraciveness. Mr. Fisher
Hobbs does not present himself this year in the field fOr
couipeti ion, but his item-Eyed •Eseex stock is there in in.
creased force modified occasionally by the admixture of
other blood, and fresh christened accordingly iu the ca-
talogues. The multiplication of names for entirfly
similar descriptions of the animal threatens soon to be-
come a serious nuisance, and to create confusion in one's
estimate, not only ot porkers, but ot pork. There is a
film show of Leicester and of Cotswold sheep which will
attract Much attention. Suffolk puechee carry off the
chief priz-s in the clues of horses. The toilets cows from
the Ceannel Islands and tram Ayrshire deserve especial
notice. It the present meeting does no other good than
to draw attention by a large display of these unreels to
the gross neglect of the milk supply of the metropolis,
which the agriculture of Surrey, liect, and Essex pre-
sents, it will have done a vast public service. Of all
artificial systems that of producing milk in town dairies
is the most objectionable. It is equally unjust and
cruel to the animal which yields the fluid, and to the
human being who imbibes it. One other point remains
to be noticed before we give the list of prizes. It is that
Mr. Simonds, the veterinary surgeon of the society,
attended the judges yesterday and pointed out to them
such detects in the constitution or health of the animals
as disqualified them for being included in their awards.
These awards are as Ulises:—
AWARD OF PRIZES.
LONG HORNS.
CLASS I.

In this subdivision the first prize of 101. was withheld
on account of insufficient merit.

SHORT HORNS.

CLLiS L-BULLS CALVED PREVIOUSLY TO THE IST OF
JANUARY, 1849.

First Prize of 401-36, Ar. Tbomas Wetherell, of
Kirkbridge, bear Darlington, York, a 4 years and 9
months old short-hortod bull, bred by Mr. Henry Lister
Maw, of T• tley, near' Crowle, Lincolnshire.
Second Pr.s • of 201-6. The Right Honourable Lord
Ha'oings. of Melton Constable, near Thetford, Norfolk,
a 6 years and 1 month old short-horned bull, bred by his
Lordship.

CLAB3 IL-BULLS CALVED *SINCE THE IST OF JANUARY,

1849

Fast Prizs of X 51.-47. Mr. John Kirkham, of Hag-
nabs,. near Otley, Yotkshire, a 2 sears nod 5 months
old short horned bull, brrd by himself.
Second Priz, of 151-53. Mr. Thomas Rame, of
Geinsford, near Darlington, a 2 sears and 3 months old
short-horned bull brrd by himself.
Third Prizs of 10L-70, Mr. Thomas Bentley of Pan-
nql-hall, Pennal, sear Wetherby, Yorkshire, a 1 year
and 10i mon•,hs old short-Horned bull, bred by Mr. F.
H. Fawkes. of Fartilel-hall, near Otley„