The Sun.
London, England, 1802-12-09 00:00:00

te. that Addresi the Vote of chit r.:2-ht bc,

if it was' not in favour of the .present Resolution.

With.tegard to Money, which had been called the
Sinew of War, he obserired, that there was no

good sense in the expression, unless it was accorn_
panied.by other things ; a willing heart t-o give, a
wise head to direet, arid a• vigorous hand to execute
the -purposes ,forwhich'it- was voted.. • -On the sub-
jet of the removal of Ministers, which the Noble
Lord had!stated; he only. observed, that if that
Noble Lord continued to support their measures by.
his votes, he hoped be would not endeavour to
damp the ardour of the PeOple by his- speeches.
Whatever dangers Might aWait-Usl and he was-con-
vinced there were many, yet he was.coovinced these
dangers had been magnified and atid-tiplied, and the
situation of thisCoUntry had been made to.appear
much worse by the Speeches of some Gentlemen,
(well-meaning no doubt; .but he was speaking 'of
their effed), than the situation really was. Placed
in a.situation, Which, as it appeared to him, was
neither demanded by necessity, nor dilated by pru-
dence: All the advantages of the French.on the
one hand, were blazoned 'forth with all the colours
which eloquence could paint—On the part of. this
Country, were held forth all the weakness and-
the deleds that could enter a'fertile imagination

--our -degradation', our cowardice, and topics
of this nature had been held 'forth, as if they
were really attached to Us ;' all this must have
the effect, if it had any effea, of casting a gloom on
the spirits of the people of this Country--Now he
would appeal to every Man heard him,if this was
the probable way of serving this Country at any time,
more especially at this time in a conjunaure, ac.
knowledged by these very Gentlemen who used the
language, to be critical, and for which they called
upon us all to prepare. Indeed, there'was Some:.
thing very singular in the condua of these Gentle:.
men : they spoke one 'way, they voted -another—;-
they seemed to endeavour to vote the Country•into
the utmost vigour,- and to debate it into despair.—,-
He had heard t haea General ought not to be laUght
to think lightly of his Enemy, but that a common
Soldier should ; but he did not know it had ever
been inculcated as good policy-to• teach the Even y
to despise both General and Soldier. •If, indeed,
whit passed in that 'House,- went no further than
that House, thetecould be no harai in the Speeches
of these Gentlemen, when they voted one way, and
spoke the other ; -but it was well• known that they
travelled, and they 'Might' haVe great effea •in 'some
places, especially in Irelatid,Where a considerable part
of the Public thought aonan's speech was a better test
of his.opinion, than his vote.' In Ireland, there was
still' a' patty who would magnify every thing that
tended to extol the greatness of the Great Nation;
and who wanted to prove, what 'he hoped always
wouldbe wanting in proof, the comparative littleness
of England. But the House would look at the real
situation of both these'Countries. It 'was such as
any one might give some tolerable description of :
even he would try it—even he would venture •to
suggest, that power which had been fraudulently
raised, might decline in the means which raised
it, and that the life of a per Son so situated, is but a
precarious tenure. It was true, that, nominally,
France had power over a great *part of the Foree of
Europe, but it did not thence follow, that France
could employ that force efficiently against us, because
it Was possible that those'States which die Mother
Republic dalled her Children, -Might think them-
selves her Slaves, and like SlaVes, be more ready
to rebel than to obey. It was pOssible, that France
might want the best of all possible power—the
power of having a Government that did not depend
for its continuance on Military Force, or be at the
mercy of a Military Power ; for it wits thought by
some persons here and or, the Continent, that the
•finances of France were in pillage, and her friendly
Alliances in compulsion. Now, if all this was pos-
sible, he saw no great foundation for our dismay,
or for predictions of our "downfal : nor did he see
any very good reason for regarding us as'cowards,
for having, for nine years, fought the battles of
Europe. If, with our present advantages of Trade
and Commerce increased,' and our Loyalty pure—
our Honour untouched—our Exertions singular—.
our Navy great and glorious—our Army vigorous
and prepared 'for Atiion---the whole People- in a'
Mass, fixt in attachthent to its Constitution and its:
Government : if, with all these ad vantages we
struggle, and.yetare 'doomed w fall and to be de-
stroyed, all he knew-was, 'that there•muSt be in it
something' beyond hiaman foresight, and we need
not be ashamed of our destruelion.'
Mr. CARTWRIGHT (as we understood) observ.
eil; that the cause of complaint, danifested in that
House, against His Majesty's Ministers, was,
.the
Want of information, alledged to be due from them
to the House, nor were those who were dissatisfied,
hi that repea, at all inconsistent by their Votes.-
They disapproved .of Ministers, but' they would not,
on that account, deliver the Country over to the
Enemy. This Opposition was upon a pure princi-
ple,, not like former Oppositions, especially in the
War before the last, where every thing was done.
with a mere view of harrassink Government.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, be believed that the
true interest of this Country was the objea which
all the Members of the Committee had equally in
view, although they differed • widely about the
'means of obtaining that objea. He lamented that
Ministers had about them so much indecision ; for
at one time the Minister told the House, 'that from
the situation of affairs, he was convinced that
30,000 Seamen would be sufficient : then, without
•any alteration in those affairs, none at least comma.
nicated, and its being, indeed,- avowed there was
none, 50,000 were proposed ; and having given it
'as his opinion, that it would only be necessary to
vote this force for a few monthre;" and' then, with.
out any the least allegation of increased danger, or
the least probability of dangeOd'Us,...the'Same Mi.
'_'sister, in a few hours afterwardS,".shotild declare
'that,` upon mature deliberation.,--lie•thought it pro.:
per -to propose this force for the year; This, Mr.
`HITIrREAD said, had it been in his power to attend
in the House at that time, he should have thought it
hi's duty to oppose, because he thought it a dangerous
thing' to holdout to the World,' that there was so
much indecision in 'the Cabinet 6f Great Britain, on
these great and important points. With regard to
the' encomiums which had .'been bestowed upon the
conatitt. -of the Army and Naq, iie•was ready