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sman, indeed, said was its object, the consequence would be
that spiritual and temporal things would be so mixed np tha
you could not allow them to be put in force by a synodin withthis
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out giving the Pope a great deal of ttemporal pow.er
hingdom.—(Ch'eers.) If they allowed these reecn pts to be
introduced from the Pope, as the source of jurisdiction, not
over persons, they mast have the wholes system of the
whice canonh
law introduced into Fngland, the first principle
canon law was that all the laws of any country must give
way to the Pope's edicts. This doctrine was further illus-
trated by the decretals of Gregory IX., who, comparing the
spiritual and temporal jurisdiction, said there were two
great lights in the heavens, that which governed the day
was the spiritual authority, and that which governed the night
was the temporal ; so that there was the same difference
between the temporal Sovereign and the Pope as there
was between the sun and the moon. 4—(A laugh.) Both-
face VIII., in his decretals, said that both the swords were
in the power of the Church—the spiritual and the mate-
rial, and he claimed a temporal power over all men for the
safety of their souls. Cardinal Bellarmine explained this
by saying that the temporal power thus claimed was only
ad bosun/ spirituale, which was a tolerably wide definition.
But this book of Cardinal Bellarmine's was so displeasing
to Sixtus V. that he put it upon the prohibited list for this
explanation and restric' ion alone. It was true, as the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman stated, that Rome never changed,
and he should look at this position with reference to the
bull In casna Domini. That bull was ordered to be made
known yearly, and to be published on the doors of churches.
Every sentence began, " We excommunicate and anathe-
matize." The persons excommunicated were all persons,
whether judges or persons in authority, who interfered with
archbishops or bishops, or any of their servants or messengers.
Everybody who appealed from the decrees, sentence, and
orders of the Church was by this bull excommunicated and
anathematized. So that an appeal ad Cancellarium —(A
laugh)--if the canon law were introduced, would bring
every person who might institute such an appeal to
the Court of Chancery under the anathemas of this bull. It
also provided that all those who came under its censures
should be incapable to receive absolution from any but the
Pope, except upon their death-beds, and then only from
some high spiritual authority expressly deputed by
Scotland
institute a claim of temporal jurisdiction in everything? But
there were higher considerations of State policy concerned.
The Popes had claimed the power to depose sovereigns—
(ifear, heai)—and to absolve the subjects of heretical princes
from their oaths of allegiance. They also absolved soldiers
from the obligation to serve heretical princes. Tell him that
these powers were defunct! He replied that the Roman Ca-
tholic hierarchy had been defunct for 300 years, but had
now been restored. And who should say that the Pope
might not think it right again to depose a Sovereign from
his throne, and absolve his soldiers from their allegiance?—
(Hear, and -" Oh l") The Hon. and Learned Gentleman
said Rome was changed; and there were some recent facts
of ominous import. Austria would net have dreamed until
lately of suffering a Papal bull to be introduced into her do-
minions until it had first received the exequatur Regium, yet
that power had given way upon that point.—(Hear.) And
Rome might yet find an opportunity of exercising a power so
largely and so broadly claimed. Bat the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman would say of this argument as he said of the
spiritual jurisdiction of a foreign (Sovereign, " That the
House ought to have considered the subject when it passed
Catholic Emancipation." It was considered, and an oath
was exacted from the Roman Catholic Member's in which
they swore that they would not attack or disturb the set
tlement of the Church of England as by law established-
Ansther clause of the Emancipation Act prohibited the
assumption of certain ecclesiastical titles, which, however,
had been evaded. He, for one, did not set any value upon
these securities, for he had a doubt whether, as a question
of constitutional expediency, it was right to fetter the mem-
bers of that House in any manner in the consideration of what
Was brought before them.—(Hear.) The laity of the Roman
Catholic Church has been for 150 years loyal subjects, but
Were we bound to give them the right of claiming to be the
only Church in England ?—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. and
Learned Gentleman seemed to have forgotten that we had an
established church in England.—(Hear, hear.) Were we
bound to admit that the Roman Catholic dioceses were the
only dioceses in England—that they bad a right to displace
Canterbury, to put aside London, and to set up West-
minister?—(Hear.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said
that if we gave the R man Catholics the right to exercise
spifituel privileges, we must give them the power to de-
velope that right to the fullest extent. But how much fur-
ther would that natural development go ? Why, to the in-
troduction of the canon law, which would enable the Church
to excommunicate every person who brought an ecclesiastic
before a civil court, as we had seen in Sardinia. Cardinal
Wiseman said he did riot take the property of the bishops of
the Established Church ; but they owed him no thanks for
that, for he could not.—(Hear.) But they must look to
countries where the Roman Catholics had power, and see
what they did there.—(Cheers.) And he said that the "na-
tural development" Of that Church-was to refuse absolution
to any person who interfered with ecclesiastics and brought
them before the civil tribunals.—(No, no.) Why, look at
Sardinia. The object of the Siccardi laws was to try eccle-
siastics in the civil courts, and they punished the Minister
with excommunication. He (Mr. P. Wood) would stop
this " natural development" in the first stage; for that,
he believed, would be the course most consistent with civil
and religious liberty, and the peace, happiness, and pros-
perity of this country. If the Pope were allowed to go on
in this course, he believed we should have, not a develop-
ment of religious feeling, but a fierce' and bloody con-
test, before a stop were put to it.— (Cheers.) He would
put a s,A p to such proceedings at once.—,Hear. hear) The
Hon; and Learned Member for Plymouth said the Hon.
Member for Marylebone (Sir B. Hall) had evinced a fierce
and persecuting spirit, because he said that if he was a Ro-
man Catholic he would be opposed to' this Papal measure.
But surely that was a fair representation. The whole de-
fence of Cardinal Wiseman intimated the fact that Belgium
was an exception to the almost general rule of Europe; that
being one of the most ultra-Roman Catholic countries, it
had followed the steps of Austria. in England before the
Reformation, all Catholic as it wa,, it was uniformly held
that the Pope had no right to intrude in the appointment of
,bishops ; and he found in Lingard's history of the Anglo-
Saxon system that no bi,hop could be appointed by the me-
tropolitan without the consent of the King and Parliament.
The Hon. Member for Marylebone said were he a It man
Catholic he would protest against the new system ; and many
Roman Catholics did protest against it ; but was that to be
called a persecuting spirit? •- (Hear, hear.) Why. they
found the near of Howard as strong as b6bre the Refor-
mation against this Papal aggreesi is. Tiln head of the
house of Howard said, as his ancestors heel don., that he
would hold no divided allegiance; but was there any as-
surance that he would not be persecuted if he took any step
whatever to interfere with the assumption of the ece-lesias-
-1 ical over the civil Governmor, t ?—(llear, hear.) His Hon.
and ' earned Friend tad referred to the circumstance that
the RomauCatholic religion was the religion of nearly all the
European Governments, and he asked what was the use of
referring to the cours! taken by 1 hose Governments c n this
se int? Now • he argument which be (Mr. Woo •) and his
friends used on this subject was, that even in other countries
where the Roman Catholic re igion was 'the religion of the
State the Sovereign thought it necessary to watt , over the
encroachments of the -Papacy ; but, because this was the
case, it by no means followed that those aggressions were to
be Allowed.in another country where the Roman Catholic re-
ligion was not the religion of the State, and in a country where '
the claims of the Pope were held to be in direct opposition to
those of the Sovereign.—(Hear, hear.) The-Hon. Member
for Sheffield first began this style of argument, but it was
clearly one that would not stand the test of reason. He
would refer to the reprint of the report of the Committee of
1815, in which they would find it laid clown as the opinion of
one of their own jurists, Van Espen, that the right of the
placet was " iuseparately connected with the Sovereignty "
of every country, and that "no prince could renounce i:, ;"
and, further, that it was the du'y of every prince in this re-
spect " to protect their su jects, to watch over the tranquil-
lity of the State, and preserve their long-standing rights and
privileges."— (Hear.) He asked them if these were not
duties resting upon the Sovereign of this country and upon
her. Ministers (Hear.) He asked whether the tranquillity
of this State would long be preserved if bulls of the descriP-
tiore to which he had referred were permitted to be promul.
gated here?—(Clear.) They might talk of a fanatical spirit
if they like; ; but they might depend upon it that at the loot-
torn;of the sopposition now raised in England -was the old
Saxon spirit, teesohi English feeling, that led our barons to
passethe law of the 16th of Richard di s which over opposed
ecclesiastical usurpation, occasioned the Reformation in the
days of Henry :VIII., preeipated James He from his throne,
and which allow. our present sovereigns to occupy the
throne o so leehg_ as they did-not profess that execrable
mixture of temporal and spiritual things which he-believed
was :as injurious. to liberty 43 sit was to freedom.—(Elean
hear.) ,He might refer to another extract from Van Eipen;
in which he stated that it was the duty of Attorney-Generals
to watch over the preservation of this right of the placet,
meaning thereby that it was the duty of all the law officers of
.Sovereigns and States to take care that this right was
strictly and narrowly watched. The Hon. and Learned
Gentleman (Mr. Walpole) had represented his Hon. Friend
the Member for Maryiebone as saying that he had no ob-
jection to the goverment of vicars apostolic, and then he
added, very complacently, that had the Hon. Member for
Marylebone -studied the subject as deeply as he had done,
he would have seen that literally the only difference be-
tween bishops and vicars apostolic was a difference in name
Now, to ,say the change was only one in name was certainly
a very astonishing misrepiessentation on the part of his Hon.
Friend. He ( Mr. Wood) had already directed the attention
of the Upuse to this point, and had shown from various bulls
that fe-Mhe last 300 years the Church of Rome was onl
Y, and that she had madeynoa missionary church in this countr
pretence to - be the church of this country. In all her
cescripts she spoke of persons, not of territories, and
claimed no territorial power whatever. There was an
entire departure from this principle. however, in the
recent reecripe, and, natwithstanding all that had been
f_tud by his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for
eelymouth, he must repeat his belief that that change
'mounted to a gross violation of the law of nations.— (Hear,
Len). When a bishop was appointed to Jeru-alem by the
'''Caevereign of :this country no territorial designation whatever
gvea ham; he_ was only appointed to preside over such
Britishstllziects and foreign Protestants as should be willing
to subject themselves to his superintendence. They never
heard of a British subject. taking, in Turkey, the title of
Pasha of any thew
kanalogy between district in that country. Indeed, there was no
the cases • and it seemeel trifling with the
House to contend that, because the Government of England
submitted to vicars-a it should submit also to the
tappointment of bialeopilst°ll,
c,araielteerheeorial jurisdiction.—(Hear,
Blear.) No doubt
to tisil Wiseman would only govern
thoseewho submitted
otherwise ; but would he not erxu±e, he had no power to do
ommunicste and curse such
as challenged his authority e_eo
never been denied by. Cardinea‘-teLl !) Indeed, it had
largest
that the ri of
governing all was claimed in the
pears they
names after
and Learned Friend said it was only egs,!%senees HightHo
had found no
all. But if it were so, for 300
87hatever for
difficulty, and they could point out no nee ej
sin le Gen-
this change. He had listened in vain to heati
tleman say that the Roman Catholics suffered
spiritual grievance from Cardinal Wiseman being „1 singleapostolic, legged of Bishop of Westminster; and tlevshare
Dublin
he he had heard from the Hon. Member for, five
speeches
had not heard him. complain of one spiritual geseenneuet.
Was the House then prepared to say that the people oriesee
land would be justified in allowing this step to be taken ; and
when his Hon. and Learned Friend said he thought it almost
acandalohe that the House should be occupied in discussing
this trumpery Bill, when they ought to be proceeding with
the financial measures of the country, he confessed that he
was of a different opinion. Even in the Bill, as at present
proposed, there was an assertion of the illegality of this act,
and although that assertion might not be contained in lan-
guage so strong or Concise as' he miht wish, still the ille-
gality was asserted, and in that assertion they were taking
the first step in the establishment, and not in derogation al
civil and religious liberty.—(Hear, hear.) Hie Hon. and
Learned Friend said he haaofear of the Church of England ;
she has her endowments and everything to carry her for-
ward.too, had no fear for the Church of
He (Mr. Wood),
England.. It was not that which made him earnest in
this matter, what he trembled for
England,-,(Hear, was the
Hear, hear)
in Russia he Pope
will liberty of
saw in the British
empire only Ireland ; saw but Poland, and
in the south be saw but some of the smaller Stes
cawSpSpain,and awl let rejoice at tlitaem.itilillee

pleased. For his own sake, however, he (Mi '• Wottd)
would have -wished that the Cardinal had writ ten in. a
different split. As to the fantastic ornaments wit h whir lh
he was pleased to decorate his letter they had nothing : t
o
d o
;
he would p ass that by. But were the Parliament 0. En g-
r
land prepa,:eci to say trade, or finance, or any
' le
subject, was. of equal value or importance with ate ass sr-
tion of the rights and privileges of the people of I.ln f
glx a
eird,
handed dot vn to them from the earliest period ,
history, from the Saxon times to the present ; the rigl Its,
on the one hand, of allowing all other persons the full test
spiritual fre adorn, but at the same time of assert ing the
same spirit' aal freedom and civil liberty for themselv es,
de-
claring this, rt they would never suffer any Pope or ec-
clesiastic to• interfere in any temporal matters betweet a tk tem
and the Go rvernment of the country ; that in all can/ sea,
ecclesiasticra and temporal, they owed allegiance to t he So-
vereign and. no one else, and that if the Pope endeavor ire dto
introduce he re that canon law which had been so fru; itf al of
mischief abroad, he would find the same determined a pirit
in the people of England as at the time of the Reforr di ;tion
to disclaim all attacks on the temporal liberties of the ; laity
by any ecclesiastical power. ?—(Hear.)
The deba6te was then adjourned.
Mr. F. 11 CAULE moved for and obtained leave to brit ig in
a Bill to an aend certain Acts for the improvement of A't icons
and Prison Discipline in Scotland.
ivi EDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND).
Sir W. S OhIERVILLE, in moving for leave to brio g kn a
Bill to pro ride for the better distribution, support, at td ma-
nagement If medical charities in Ireland, and for the a am and-
ment of th a Act for providing for the execution of th 3 laws
for the reli' of of the poor in Ireland, said the Bill was m lady
the same a 3 that which received the support of the H ouse
last year, e n:cept as to the constitution of the board, wia; q re-
spect to which, in obedience to what he had collected t ) be
the general. feeling of the House, he proposed in the pre sent
Bill that tere should be but one board, and that shoat Ibe
the Poor-l;aw board.
Leave was then given, and the House adjourned at One
o'clock.

ROYAL PRINCESS'S THEATE
On :MONDAY EVENING will be produced, after the
Comedy of .LOVE IN A MAZE, a new Melodrama, ei itled
PAULINE, .in which Mr. and Mrs. Charles Kean will appear..

THEATRE ROYAL, DRURY-LANE.
:Lessee and Manager, Mr. James Anderson.
THIS EVENING
Will be presented by her Majesty's Servaati
The Petite Comedy entitled
THE LADY AND THE DEVIL.
Wildlove, Mr. J. Anderson ; Jeremy, Mr. Walter Lacy ; i 8f gnor
Rafael, Mr.. J. W. Ray; Claudian, Mr. 11. Butler; Zephyrina, . Mrs.
Nisbett; N'egombo, Mrs. Griffiths.
After wb WI, a new grand Operatic Spectacle, entitled AZ 1 tEL,
THE PRO) DIGAL. Reuben, Mr. Vandenhoff ; Azael, Mr. J. I Is ader-
son ; Ame aophis, Mr. Emery ; Bucharis, Mr. Cooper ; Setho s, Mr.
Rafter; Je pilule, Miss F. Vining ; Nefte, Mrs. Walter Lacy ; Lie,
V( %dile. VI ctorine Legrain (Premier Sujet do Opera de Paris) , who
ens been e xpressly engaged for the occasion, and will mal is , her
gipearane e every evening.
SYNOPSIS OF SCENERY, INCIDENTS, &c.
Aar I.
INTERIOR of REUBEN'S TENT,
o:pening at the Back to the Distant Desert—Sunset.
The TTaVallers—the Evening Repast—the Gift—Departure of j iza 01
with the Caravan for Memphis.
Camels of the Desert.
ACT 11.
The GREAT SQUARE of MEMPHIS.
Arrival of Azael.
Sacred Procession of Apis. The Offerings.
Lie, and Troop of Almees.
Grand Pea de Fascination by Madlle. Victorine Legrain i.
rite ensemble by Madame Louise, Meddles. Falser, Julie, • and
Coryphees.
The Gamester—False Diee—Azael's Prodigality—the Love. ►Token
VIEW near MEMPHIS.
Reuben in search of his Son—the False Friend.
Interior of the TEMPLE of ISIS.
Orgie.
Grand Pas de Paignards by the Coryphees.
&zael recovers the Stolen Scarf—the Secret Spring—Azael lzpriSed
in the Sacred Temple—the " Human Victim."
The Doom of the Prodigal.
ACT 111.
TENT of NEMROUD, the Camel Drieer.
Arrival of Travellers—Degradation of the Prodigal— the Slav e—the
False Friend—the Gilt Restored—Despair of the Prodigal .
The Dream.
The VALE of AZAEL'S BIRTH.
The Harvest Festival—Azael mourned as Dead—Return cii the

Prodigal.
Appearance of the Spirit of the Desert.

THEATRE ROYAL, HAYMARKET.
Mr. B. Webster, dole Lessee and Manager, Old Brompte: L
THIS EVENING,
Will be performed OTHELLO. Othello, Mr. J. W. Wail ack ;
Tag., Mr. James Wallack ; Desdemona, Miss Reynolds ; He cilia,
Miss Laura Addison.
To be followed by a new ana original comic drama, called (i GOD
FOR NOTHING. Tom Dibbles, Mr. Buckstone ; Harry C.ti, flier,
Mr. Howe ; Young Mr. Simpson, Mr. Clark ; Nan, Mrs. Fitzwi 11 lam.

THEATRE ROYAL, ADELPHI.
Under the direction of Madame Celeste.
THIS EVENING,
Will be perfbrmed an entirely new grand Drama, in 3 acts, en:ta tied
BELPHEGOR THE MOUNTEBANK; or, The Pride of 3l rth.
Duke de Montbazon, Mr. Hughes ; Count de St. Cyr, Mr. Et ce ;
the Chevalier de Rolac, Mr. 0. Smith ; Guillaume, surname,
phegor. Mr. B. Webster; Ajax, alias Mr. Merryman, Mr. We ight •
Captain Pufferes, Mr. Worrell ; Madeliene, Madame Celeste ; "Sid
Flora Aphrodite Stilz, Miss Woolgar.
After which a new Force called THE SCHOOL FOR TIG. EVIS ;
or, The Shilling Hop. Captain Kiteflyer, Mr. Boyce; Major Stiff,
Mr. Freeborn ; Mr. Panels, Mr. Wright ; Alexander Panels, 3 firs
Chaplin ; Mr. Firkins, Mr. C. J. Smith ; Torn Crop, Miss Wo. )Igar.

ROYAL PRINCESS'S THEATRE, OXFORD-STREET.
Under the Management of Mr. C. Kean and Mr. Keeley.
THIS EVENING, -

Will be performed a new and original Comedy entitled LOV E IN
A MAZE. Characters by Messrs. C. Kean, Keeley, Wigan, H a rlcy,
Addis" Meadows ; Mrs. Keeley, Mrs. Winstanley, and Mss . C.
Kean.

-To conclude with TO PARENTS and GUARDIANS.

ROYAL LYCEUM THEATRE.
Under the Management of Madame Veatri&
Bole Lessee, Mr. Charles Mathews.
THIS EVENING,
Will be parGrmed

With SEIZVE HIM EIGHT. -
Atter which an entirely nevi, and original Fairy Extravaganza,
to be called KING CII,UtMING , or, the Blue Bird of Par sdise.
Characters by Messrs. C Mathews, F. Matthews, Horncastle, ;titer,
Bellingham, and Bonner ; Mrs, Frank Matthews, Miss Ellis,. Mrs.
C. Horn, Miss St. George, anti Miss Martindale.

ROYAL OLYMPIC THEATRE.
Lessee and Manager, Mr. W. Farren.
THIS EVENING,
Wal be performed THE RED CAP.
Attar which ALL TEAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD.
To conclude with a new Ballet, called THE WHITE STATUE,
in which Ma,dlle. Adele, Miss Lees, and Tom Mathews will appear.