The Sun.
London, England, 1805-05-11 00:00:00

to the. British Throne, your tortiships know

that they originated in the:Revolution. The great
objet ref that Revolution was to secure die R.cligion
and Liberties ,of these Realms. These objects Rwere
confirmed by the Act of Settlenient, by the,Peela,
ration of Rights, by the, getli, of Supremacy and
Ahjuration, end by.the,Succeision to the Crown in
the Protestanteline. To maintain and uphold all
these,.otir family.wae called to the. Throne.• And
whateeer can militate with these principles, in the
remetest degree; it is toy beutelen duty, as a mem.
her of that family, and as a **Ober of your Lord.,
ships'- floos•e, to restate; For this purpose., T must
ask, Whet is the objed of that Petition ? It is to
enable the Catholics .io hold offices of trust and
power in the State.. Was it not to opppose such a
system that the Revolution originated ? Was, it
not. the very life and soul ofthat 'memorable trans_.
aftion to secure, the rights of Church and State,?—
'Are Weahen, my Lertis, going to undo all that the
Revolution has dole ? _Bear in mind, my Lords,
the.scenes that, preceded the Revolution ; they are,
strong proofs chat the participetioo,of equal power.
by Catholics and Protestants, is a thing inconya.
tilde, with the principles of both. Are yotanot
already convinced, by fads and history, that it is,
i'mpteisitele for Protestants and Catholics to agree in
the ,administration of political power ? Woat then
will follow, if the Catholics be admitted to the
great. offices- of truss• ? Yon-will, soon see what,.
thank god, , till now we have only reett; we
shall. experience the same c.otttision end, bloodihed
which stained lit, the eeign4 from Mary, who be..
.gan with. granting tlicrri tt dispensing power to
hold 'offices of Stair, e3owet to James; who ended
:With the diepersinge. trivet in their favour. He
hurled himself fioin his throne by Conferring on
them, offices p 1 trust and power, which afterwards
drew &yin on them all the weight of penal laws ;
I atnjusiifiecl, therefore, in c including; that ehere
can be rtoehoan mare fraught with Mischief. to King
and Sabjefts conferred than thet prayed, for in ,ehis.
Petitione Not only, „however,, the, awful
.eape.,
rience of p: tst times; -hut theekitiper cf the present'
times call upon, us to ,pause,• ofted- to listen to the
voice of the:two great Capitals. or the ,Empire,
,and
of:different Counties in the Voited I;:ingtlem, against_.
this-Petition., We know, iny,Lotils, what are the
feelings andesentitnents.of this.NaLion with resped
to tlie causesernd consequenc6Seel the Revolution.—
The memoryeof it is leepteelive daily by the most
solemn ads when men:are ealled.to undertake. public
and .corporate fundione. His Majesty's Subjeds
on -such oceasiens sweat to presetve his .stt.,Fiemacy
is ecelesiastieal and eivilanatters. Does. that Peer.
tioo acknowledge that supremacy in ecelesiateical
matters ? No I If then you-cirri:rider. the power of
the State to those who eeny that ,auptemacy, you
do nut meitatain that supremacy, you virtually
.sue.
tender it. Far be it :from ate, my Lords, to
!hackle or; fetter the cnneciettees.olany men; but
equally..far be it from me thiwn,, by rash in.
novition, any of the venerable •pillars of the Con.
stitution. .All thst cyan be given .consistently with
reason and conscience I am prompt to give. But
the Conatitutien 1 c•innut, date not, WILL NOT
give.; 1- must „and sueoert, : with the last
effort of my nature -the establishment in Church
and',.Seateieee the great step. by. which the House -of
Brunswick ascended ..that 'Throne.
earl SP c R said, if he thought for a moment
that the Motion'of Noble Friend was likely itt
the remotest ,degree to ;tijure the Church or State,
be assured the HOOSe that there was not a men in the
Country who woehl nut only benore unwilling to
support it, hut who would more strenueuely oppose
it than himself. If he thought that it went to in:
validate the principles, on which the Brunswick Fa.
mile cam' to and.. now pessested the 'lt.rone, the
idea wettlil he abhorrent to hie feelings ;. but the
manner in which his Noble Friend had opened the
Speech with which lie prefaced it, completely ob.
viated any such apprehensions. He egreed with his
Noble Friend, and the Neble Secretary of'State
who folleiwest him, in the propriety of discussing
this important questian with perfetl moderation and
temper; but insisted, that this rule of conduit had
been infringed by the Noble Secretary'hitosell, who
attributed to his Noble Friend, and to the Yeti.
tion of the Catholics of Ireland, sentiments of tie.
fiance and -menace which. the fad did not justify,
The Noble Lord had endeavdured to prove, that
the Roman 'Catholic's of. Ireland paid. allegiance
to a Foreign. Power. Ile wished tweak the Noble
Lord where' lie discovered this ? It was per.
fatly new to him: Ile knew that they consi,
'demi the Pope as their Spiritual Head, hut he was.
pretty, well aspired that they did not recognise in
him a Civil Governor. The published opinions of
some of the most learned men among the Roman
Catholics diiclaimed that on which, to give a de.
lusive weight to his argument, the Noble Secretary
dwelt with such emphasis. If •the fad were true,
however, if it were incompatible with the safety of
the Church and State to allow the Catholics any
Civil'Poweri why did not the Noble Lard vote for .
the Committee, not for the purpose of • granting to
the' Cathares additional immunities, but .to repeal
those which _they had, alreadyreceived in the pro.'
sent reign, and which, if the arguments of the Neble
Secretary. were good fur any 'thing, teemed with
danger to the'Country. The Noble Lord asserted,
that Were any concession had been made to the Ca.
thvlics of Ireland, 'they were perfedirquiet, but that
concession seemed to be the, signal w tth them of tut.
bulence. This .was not so. • It 'had been unequivo.
sally proved diet' the late Rebellions arose entire.
ly from politiCal causes, and had nothing whatever
to do with religious subjeets. " Bur (says the
Noble Lord) if you grant this, you will be pressed
to grant snore." Well ! be it so ; if the grounds of
any. additieoal grants that might be required Were
as good as those of The present, they ought to,'be
allowed, and he could not• admit the possibility of
what the Noble Secretary seemed to wish .to
sinuate, that the most remote wish would ever
be expressed' for the establishment of a Catlio.
lie Church; or for allowing the Crown to be
held by any btit a Protestant Prince. These,
indeed, would be infringements on the fundamental
LiMS of the .Constitution which he .would be as
eager as. the Noble :Leta to oppose. -rbe. Noble
Lord ;had laid great,stress'on the material change.
which he declared had taken' place since t 8o t, in
the cepsideration of all, sulyj t., What had that

et, . • 4 ,4; .
Change teen Thit
rettel
menced the support or. the Catholic itellgimi; 0;14
orlsequentlythit their ir.flucnce over the prof.r.s4r)rt
of it in circiyNation would htt ;Fpi,
hi; part, he not disposed to attribute, tribe;
to &heir ihtrigue4 ; allowing them the
fulllorce with which tit; rabic Lord had eL)ihe4

,
them, he would .1.5 i; WlLit WCre the best ineitis 6
render futile aV attempts of the french ,to airail,
themselv.es of :thii pottier of rifiking an
impression.on Ireland ? The ans Wet Was plain it
was, .hy, vi,cl4-timed concession of indisputable
tights to cnoc4idie the affeetions of theVeopte. nip
Itelanti;. and thus to unite the whole Kingdom in
the deteiMination to resist; 'to the utmost of
pciwet; the desperate attacks of their common

ffneniy.
Lord sibmouri, at the, same time that he
was aware of the propriety of discussing this ~nbject
with the utmost temper, could not avoid avowing
his sentiments openly upon it. Though he was
ready to go the whole length of toleration as Atli.
one, he was 1.),` no means ivilling to accede to the
prayer of the Petition, as it had been txphinett
by the Noble Lord. He had lit4ined to that Noble
Lord with the admiration which his won:mat-id ta.

lents always cmmsua.lded ; hut he had not lidtkNlctt

to him with conviction—he !Lid et ttn iiitenld to hlai

with etstunisiintert at the dot-trims he promol,l.
At the time whtri he hail the honput of et:,l2!-,
the tame Cabinet with !he Noble Loll, h 4

leded, that th Noble Lard Lad iirorhij• resisted

all
.intv,vatiuti—an.l to hi:exertiqns, and rhos with

whom he was aotottitteait in die Coti..try Itac
been i..,3Atet4 for tho. satist.- anti confidenca
wttien they tit;tived from the rci ,e.iiott of the
don of the Protestant Dissenters iti 1790. Ha.
pressed on those who had resiste t ;ttis min,); :.r
hittim in 1;90, the :Itfliculcy tvive,!, they w0t4.1 a 1
in CORSI!. ("nal supporting the pre 7,,t measure, cilich
wad of so much greater weight a A ilnportance.

one was less disposed than hituvlt to questi,ln th,e,
charmer' of the great body of CstholiCs in ir•laml;
,he gave the utmost credit to °lt'd for the, sincerity
of their professions, but he owned th4tibotls rut

own,honqur and for the safety of the Co.t.r'ltry,
lye 'wooll be unwilling to.Oace them iii 1i situation

_ .
in which, howeyer they might have been preifi.
misly well-disposed, they might be induced, by
what they would conceive the voice of duty, to aa iii
a way that must be highly detrimental tea:the peace
of the Empire. The °bled of the Petition 'was
stated by the Noble Lord to be l'oleretion, but it
data been termed li:minciPation: The
Noble .Lord, however, in his speech, had' dine
•
ample justice to Parliament, by preying how, mank,
ditabilitiee tinder which the d
Catholics of Irelan
laboured before mm
the coencement of the reign,
of IN present Majesty had been done away sinCe,
iliac taerimi. The Petitioners prayed that they alight
be allowed to share in the Lgiskature; and piwer
drilling the highst Ofliees i t the S:atc. W,s this
merely Emat,civati ? No, the term Emancipittion
was only used as 3 ovisk; it was interi,l,tti to embed:.
the feelings and excite the hopes of the IriSit, fur the
purpose, of obtaining, 'tinder that name,, 42eitteealed
objeo. The Noble Btron had complained loudly of
ell the measures of perkeotion, as he called them,
:tgaitist the Roman catti:Ates, 01' Which Coast ftgain.A
which the present retitled was direded were the
only tcnisin,. The history or the Country Iwt.,,tc
the Revohtti.m roily jt.ititittl these amp:ores, -
which however r,:v,iltiv(,); they intiy he to f feel-
ing of tie pr-sent day, werc the prwiliftett
by a crut:l erri rig•lrotis
t4Ol/Tit went into an eitaminittton of ri por.
hiitory, and a,vtit pat ticuindy on the
in irtyrclitin in theretgri of Aary, and in the cage
of jimes H. Who, ,itter sworn to mainsails
the ,estant• EitaLlishoient, broke hissolethn
gagt-arent; and filled ail the InAlt.officesof State with
'Papists. On a teview of ail the circumstances at-
tending that periOil, he contended that the ptecau.
tionary measures 'adopted by Jur ancestors were •
Wise and necessary. To come to the questism,
ther or.not, at the presenr time, it was expedient to
grant sto the Catholics what they requested, he con.
iessed that he would never he accessary to enabling
a Catholic to keep the conscience, of the King, anti
to dispuie of ecclesiastical benefices as pleasure,
while he denied the King's supremacy,. and al.
rowed the supremacy of a Foreign Power, a denial
and a sub Mission which
.not all the Noble Lord's
talents, great as they were, could palliate, Withou
allntling.to any of those rites which were the sub.
jt4t of vulgar denunciation, he would ask the House
whether it would be prudent to allow of such power.
ful engines' being, freely set in motion as excom•
munication and auricular confession.' Jr had been
stated by the best authority that Consistory Courts
bad been establishedby the Catholics in most of the
dioceses iq Ireland—a Council of Cardinal.s, exer.
, ,
citing power over ecciesiasticat matters, Was regu.
larly held in Raw, and there could be little doubt
that a constant communication exis,ed between them?.
The ostensible object c..t. this Petition was objection„
able; the real objea was still more so, ,for it could •
never be supposed that the 'ostensible was the real
object of the great body of the Catholics. It Was
merely a preliminary step to tither and larger sari let.
But even to *Bow of the attainment of this primary,
this ostensible ohjed, great sacrifices must th:
the Aft ofSettletrient and the Bill of Rights must
he sacrificed, and'the principles of the successi:ei of
the House of BrOniwick subverted. It was a moil.
strous proposition, that a grant of peculiar iii,!ul.'
groce not allowed to other, Subjeas (who "all toot;
the Oath of Stipretoacy), should be ultiwed to men
whose obedience,to the Government was but very
iolPqre4t. liovs'evet good* their dispoAtion, they
certainly had
_no special right to a .tay.our nut
corded to otherF,. Were the.prayer of the PetitiOn
granted, the Catholics be invested with the,
highest description of p,:.)litical power. :Thie would
be attended with 4f/tiger to a Protestant Parlia.
mem ;' and let it be recoile.4ted,- that a Protesting
Parliament once rescued the otintry_ from the den.gers in which, it was .involyed by a Catholic King.
'lucre were two rua‘k open for the choice 01
,41 The one, following the examitie of thair
ancestors, would lead to safety and honour ; every
step of the other was hazardous, and the end was
lost in uncertainty.
MULOR AYE repeated the arguments of
Lord klAwxassiutts
.and bIOI49IJTH aroiust

?'Ration, Itnu conte4ded, thrtt no,earresciion of
geoetal sentiment on the subjea had been manifest-
ed in Ireland. The Catholics of Lebo(' were at
this moment in..re favourably situated than those
of this Country ; and he b:lieved that there ware
very fetv iodettl interested in the SUCZeSS of the Pe.
)16 n.

Lord HOLLAND, when he heard the eloquent

Speed) of his hl,:ble Friend who made die IVl:ition
b, t ,ie the Hoiiise, imagined that he hail exhausted
ntpt. only all. tl.at could be said in f.vour of the Pe.
titian, hut al that could be urged in objedion to it.
some objodions, however, had since been brought
forward, which his Noble Friend could certainly
never have divihed. If the doetrine laid down by
the tw.i Lords were Lance admitted; it would

sac f(lnd r;tpleteTlitiCs to the United King.
He had seldom • agreed with his Noble
oPposite in political opinion, and it did
not seem likt4 that he ever shuiald agree with him.
The NalAle L,rd had either rntstsketi the' meaning
of ,he Mution or his Noble Friend, ortheywere
r 119 to'remove it as :far as pois
ibleout of the
of the, I- Luse. The question -reedy was, wise.
thel (r riat the,clairni of the Irish Catholics deserved
; instead of speaking to which, the
N,b:e Lt)14.1 only said, that they would not Oall
thr: ;oo gth the rental that Was wished for. From
ti-,c: line of argunient,, however, which they had
tal.;er.t, they ought certainty to vote fn. the Com-
rnit:ee th:ttitmight there be decided whether all the
narrow, bigottedi cruet 'repe.aled laws :labia the
catitoli6', the defence of 'which they

tlertaken, .should or should not be re.enaoM.
tie Lugunteet against the tnessure itself into
two parts, one against the general principle, the
other against the time at which it was brought for.
FOr both these the Noble Lord contend.
ed at great lel.gth,. and with considerable ability.
lie combated the obieryations of the Noble Secre-
t:4y, who Seemed' to insinuate that the Catholics
Wisknvd to become little Kings in this Country.
Thcre might be Many who thought that' some of
the obj-As of the Petition, though not all, should be
r:•A;ii,ked v%',ith, It might be'thou'
ght by some, for
l'ustAnce, that the CathoHO should be admitted
rtigh tirt idl situations, but. not into Pitliament.
gi.q'4o opportunity for the suggestions uf
such iNiAte I I-Fiuie ought to agree to a
comlnit tee,. .As to the. distioetiDn attempted to be
st up betweeiieivil rights an political Pnwer, he
sh bk.! to know what sc;:urity there would be
for Civil tights withobt.pcilitical- power ? Would
Ow Noble Lord say, that no political 'power was
o jog to the C;ltholico, and that their initriiitiioll
to Varlidnlent x.',,ould'tiot be a littter security for
their civil rights...Oita .that they .tiOw pos'ic,t;ed
Lord 1-lot.t. A ;,.1) f. 3 welt, f r some tune on the hard.

ships to which the Catholics were subjelt by the
restraino note in force, particularly. in that pro..
fession of which honour, forms. the principle.-.--
lie the gintintis cbarader df
the Third, and defended it'from idiputations which,
if admitted, ,would, hr. onictivechd,igrade the ke.
V, ThAt part of his. Noble Friend's speed',
in which he. ileninstrated the impossibility of Lite
Catholi,.., ever obtaining: a preponderatiog power in
tin. sremed to him .1103nStVerahle, although.
VO.col!nt 11,14.1 cypressed his apprelionsidna
tar it this Petition be agreed to, the. State might
CD into their hangs. Snell a thing would have been
barely p...)31,ib1e in Ireland anal the Irish Radio-
p.lcor-; in Great Eritain'and in the. Imperial Parlia.
nicot it was imposiible. hilt the Noble Earl seenis
to (hit& that we should 'refire the pr gent claim
upon the justice.of the Country, lest any subsequent
wray be pteierred. Were this doetrine
the-tioori of the Ilnuse might he shut at once
an ;Ai complaints of grievance. The Noble Lord
to the secession of the Chancellor of the Ex.
,I:hr per Ir, ii the Cahirie t on this question, anti inquir-
ed how that K ht Gentleman and his Friend
tvoolti proervc,. thcirennsi,tency.. He had proposed
it at 4 time of much greatet.danger from Foreign Erie.
tnies than what eiisted at pte,,ent, and yet danger
IwaS one reason assigned for now seilsting it. It
ever there was a time when it became necessary to
unite all hearts, and aff.,l'lions in the Common Cause
it was ;it.' this inOitkCnt. It Was tint possible that so
latgr a portion -el' the people as three millions should
'finge,:y rein,iin in the • situation. in which they
iinw arc,, while their fellow subjetis enjoy
Such sup advantages, The history 'of -all
Cour,t rte contra:l4lM such ti supposition. To trifle
with *o large a body of men was a hazardor, sire.
Cris«i stirs. Were it once adtlpreti as,o principle, that
the C,ito:Oic:, (if Ireland should never have their
rights, the Noble Lord was :apprehensive that re.
ZO:ttbe )14.4( soon be. hail to coetcion, a system he
noir,sr e.trneatly &preened.

Earl (1," A3l N svolce again 4t the Motion, but
irCsit IoW a 11:41(C1,/ voice as to he fir the motif part
itiand.ble hdov.' the Ittr: Ile 'said that during the
1 !flip lie fold the honour of tieing placed at the head.
of the (Thverninent of 'lreland, the aetuating:princi.
rile of
,GiA`c:rurtelit was to make such entices-
sionS as utigh•t ii!tiy I,e d,rmed necessary but it
hokl bt t 4 y, the shatlow OE doubt,
that the t.tto.A. tii the *ll>arlii4tnet.t of that Country was
4300,4;11y arty ttlrther concesaitic,lheing made
to_ the lil/4,ottan Ca tholics.Under all the cirettln-
onocch 01 the seise, lid not only, did not think it cx.
}r :!Befit to comply at pre,;..Ait with the prayer of the.
Vciition, but considered even the disetp.,,sion of the
question at tacit a jukture a, highly itrsl>o !tic,
17ye liiihop DURSIANI professed himself
friendly to 4tich indulgences and toleration-as C'lll4l
FL c011Ce,41,'41 to the Catholit-3 consistently with the
h4414-'7 irf di COty:tituticrt in Cl .toil State. It
IN-Ai the virtnider of the Prote,,tatit Church to be
)ilia :I anti tolerant ; but he conceived that the
prayet of toe present i'eti.tion cOnhi snot be granted
without entlitnge. C .ring the on,titution, Ile'did not
think that, circTon.hanced as ihse
tiloacs of bad any itt,t grounds of corn.
phint ; LorW;l4 cou3url H 'the to ie.,
£k wall, tin the contnfritienr.x,i that 4VOtrltl result
ir..testtn, 1,1)on so slenda
o the admission of n r

•
anti C 11011401.15 rt foanfation. • -
Llr./ RgDESDALY3poke at considerable lenotlF
2gainsi die Motion., lie obtit!t veil, that after the
:iris i+ tta ar.guinents kid been adtluceti
tits pr4y,tr of: the Pyitions. it Would not, at
that lice honr, be net:tn,aary for him to entet.it
uron the stityjca. .11;C CI -.61118
i:fat:Am the rclition tuti,iderel 4s • r
dstdi4eti.,...

unjustifiable, and .6 compliance with them Would be
nothing short of a complete .surrender of the Con.
stitution it, Church and State. If the Catholiev
were to have tin equal participation of Hitical
rights, they would soon possess theme!ves of the.
Government of the State, and the hotestantEs.
tablishment would very soon be, destroyed. The
Roman Catholics of Ireland enjoyed greater
leges titan those of any other country ; yet they
were not contented As ithout becoming possegsed.Of
the means of obtaining the whole power of the
State. In the terms of the Union it is expressly
provided, that the Established Churches of England
and Ireland shall be preserved in their present
state ; but this could no longer be the case if the
present claims were agreed to ; for in that event
the Roman Catholic Religion would, as a 'necessary
consequence, become the Religion of Ireland.—
The Catholic Bishops, WhQ, with all their assumed
Titles, have all the 'forms' of a regular Hierarchy,
would instantly claim the established Fees and Do.
mains of the Protestant church; and with the Ca.
tholic Power prevailing nothing could resist their
demands. This,it was true, had been disclaimed
by the Petitioners; but Was it disclaimed by the
Catholic Bishops ?--It certainly was not ; and no
doubt of their objed could be entertained, ,By
the terms of the Union between England and Scot.
land it was agreed that the Established Churches
of both should he preserved ; and any member of
. the Church of Scotland accepting an appointment
iii the State, is obliged to take a certain test to
qualify him for holdihg the same. The Irish Ca.
tholic, however, refuses to give any test of his
principles, and claiming a greater privilege than a
member of the Church of Scotland, insists upon
being admitted to a full and unconditional para.
cipation of all privileges. The Irish Bishops
even at present proclaim themselves as possess.
ins all the regular Titles of the Bishops of the
Protestant Church ; and even went so far, a few
years'back, as to sign themselves in this assumed
capacity to a Petition presented to the Irish Par:.
liament ; nor was there a Member, except one, who
had•the courage to reprobate co indecent an usur.
pa lion. Thii. assumed Hierarchy, he did not hesitate
to say,- was highly dangerous to the State, and he
considered its total annihilation as necessary to the
peace and safety of the Country. It was a power
exercising the most arbitrary sway, uncontrouled
by law, and supporting its authority by the must
tifeaded means of excommunication on failure of
obedierkce. They possessed far greater power than
the Piocastants, and infinitely more than even the
Bishops of any Catholic Country. The tyranny of
this conduel had been evinced in a variety of cases.
A man had lately been excommunicated for having
been married by a Protestant Clergyman; and tho'
afterwards advised, for the ptirpose of making his
peace -with his,own Clergy, to he married according
(.6 the Rites of the Catholic Church, yet was he
not again admitted into the Congregation until
he,had.performed a penance of walking round the
Country, to a distance of 3o miles, and visiting cer.
Lain h6ly wells. In fa& it was a principle among the
Catholics, to hold no communication with Protest.
ants ; and he had been assured by some very resped,
able Priests, that no such communication was per.
nutted and whenever it took place it was upon
the exPress condition of the utmost secrecy being
observed upon tie subjed. A Protestant, as a term
of reproach, is called by an Irish term which signi.
fies an Englishman, and the English Government is,
held a granny among them. These prejudices are
excited by the Bishops, whose study it is to render.
the English name odtons among the people. There
were runty parts of Ireland in which a Protestant
dare not venture to reside ; and a labourer of that I

persuasion would not be permitted to dwell dmong
the prolongs: Protestants were nor suffeted t., .iet
as servants ; and even in Dublin, such' was the (lir-
fic.ulty Protestants had to have their children
brought up in that capacity,' that for the greater
pair '' they were limed to bring them up as handi.
craftsmen," All this, lie repeated, ,tats owing, to
the undue influence exercised by the Hierarchy over
the people most of whom, he was • persuaded,
would he happy to rid themselves of the tyrannT
thus' exercised •.over them.' Many of the Catholics,
he was ready to admit, were good suhjeds. One
Noble Lord, in particular, his Lordohip described
as an amiable,, u ell.meaning person, when left to
,himself, but when he submited" himself to the court.
sel of the Priests, his natural manners 'becatno,
changed.. Even in foreign countries Catholic
Bishops were held in disrepute I and it was well
kiuswn that the Catlu.lics &Canada, who monied
only thd freeixereise of their were greittly
displeased at having a Bishop placed over them. To
inflame the Catholics of Ireland still more again4t,'
the Protestants, they had been told,
cation by a Gentleman & the Irish Bar, tha't it was
to 'their • own energies they were indebted for
every privikge theyapossc.lsed, and that a perse.
Verance in those. energies would accomplish fur
them their 'present desires, In the present state of
atfairs, he therefore thought it would be little short
of madness to entertain the prayer of tlte Petition
on the Table. One, remedy for it part
.of the evils
of which he complained, would ba to annihilate
• the Catholic Hierarchy, without which he saw no
chance of peace or safety to' the country.. If the
Claims now set forth were admitted, he had no ,he.
oitarion to say, except in the North, where several
Protestanteresided, inn! in the garrison' towns, no
Protestant could live in Ireland ; he would be driven
from the country, by means of the doctrines taught
by the Prieuhood, and the safety °lnane could be
coso(ed. Idis Lordship then compared the mild
charade!' of the English peaStiottgavith the turbolent
conslud of those of Ireland, and oftributed the wide'
difecienee between them to the, inflpenue of
.the
Clergy : and after stating several more circum.
stlnees ro o inimical prove thesentiments of the
1'641 Citholies towards the Protestants, and the
baleful infieenca of the Pope, 4te concluded by say.
irtg, that so ion its the Catholics continued the
slaves of those sl'itto have nide them so, he must
=met them totally coat to possess any of those
political privilege; they now sun ht to obtain.
. Lord 1-LSW/LeSlitle.Y. (it being now two o'clock)
suggested- the propriety of postponing the further
discussion of the, question' to an early hour this
afternoon, so 3J that the decision might take place
before twelve at night. 4,‘

his produced a. short contetsation between his

Lordship, the nuke of No rout, DSREY,
,the LORD CHANCELLOR; anti 1.4,--rd DARNLEY ;
after which, the question of adjournment was put by
the LORD CHANCELLOR, but, as the House was
about to divide, the quetion was withdrawn.
The Earl of LIMERICK ohjeaed strongly to the
time of bringing forwartithe Catholic Claims, and
made some' allusions to the influence of the Pope,
who had become the instrument of Bonapartes am.
.bition, and written to the Loyal French Bishop's to
relinquish their Allegiance to their lawful Sove-
reign, and transfer it to the Usurper. His Lord-
ship acknowledged the general Loyalty of the Ca.
Optics, and paid a handsome tribute to the Merits
of Lord Fivont.; hut upon every consideration of
the subject, gave his decided negative to the Motion..
Ltird CARY!'FoRT, on account of the lateness of
the hour,: proposed an. adjournment, and was sup..
ported by the Marquis of'..BuctutqctiAm, L')rcl
GRENVILLE, and Lord HUTCHINSON ; Lord iVitrt..
GRAVE, Lord DAatiLsr,Lord Hawttc:BottY, and
Lord DERRY, also made a few observations +;
after
which the House adiJurned at Three o'Cleck to
Monday.

HOUSE OF'COMMONS.

FRIDAY, MAY 10.

A Petition was presented froin St. Albans, congratulating
'the House on its proceedings on the Tenth Report of the
/ Commissioners of Naval Inquiry, and praying the House to
pursue their conduct upon that subject,--Ordered to be laid
on the Table.

The Irish Small Debts Bill past a Committee. Report
received immediately. The whole ordered to be printed, and
to be taken into further consideration this day fortnight.
Mr. C EEV EY mark his promised Motion tin Instrodians
to a Committee to ioquire into ccrtaln .Accounts relative to
the interest of the Duke of Athol, in the affairs of the Isle of
Man--which was agreed to.
Mr. Fos TI obtained leave to bring in certain Irish Rote-
nue Regulation Bills, &c,
The Property Amendment Bill was teported, and several
Amendments adopted, after which the bill was ordered to,
be engrossed, and read a third time on Tuesday, if .then
grossed.