The Sun.
London, England, 1834-02-19 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
~Th.esnAKER took the Chair a few minutes past I'2. Several
::,t'.noihers presented petitions for private Bills, the substance of
we could not catch, owing to the noise that prevailed in
'4 body of the House.
the
nilbOOgGe ES brought up the report of the Committee on
rid
e st
brinandin Wells Improvement petition—it appeared that
gtoo rders had been complied with, and leave was given
g 1 the Bill.
,Che,te. rtrUoPERT presented a petition from the trustees of the
thereon, ad, and obtained leave to bring in a Bill founded
Mr. B.
Water w Limerick
CARTER presented a petition from the
Mr. IT "I" C°lniran.—Ordered to lie on the table.
,'REbrou ht Up the rep; rt of the Committee on the
"yean g
ny petition. It appeared that the
iouse had been complied with, and

In a Bill.
obtained leave to bring in a Bill,
)1n the trustees of the Buckingham
t Lord, Whom he did not now see in
Itenfi.on to bring in a Bill relative to
mld he very desirable to know what
in the law, as it at present stood.
.L said, it would be most important to
)uld be made, otherwise parties apply-
t to serious expense for no purpose.
)rd would give the House that ex-

presented a petition from the county
ng the labour rate, but there being
House, the petition was withdrawn.
tE presented a petition from the town
for leave to make a railway in that

.ight in a Bill to enable the Calder and
Lpany to improve the navigation of that

resented a petition signed by 1,600 of
,wn of Hoxton, praying that the malt
They complained of the great agri-
Juntry, which they attributed in a
alt tax. He fully concurred in the
lil'uraldi. stress, and in the general
that the petition was worthyvr oa is
of the House.—(Hear.) ' It
~less they granted a repeal of this tax,
Th. approaching to it, the agricultural distress would
',ter than it was now.
.AJCLER.K. concurred in the observatitoonrs of
remedy
Ildham that unless something was
An 4 .ral distress it would grow to an alarming extent.
intthat hp ~uk MEMBER, whose name we could not lea. , said
ro
eh
think Ministers did justice to the agricultural
Pa•id , ' and he thought that as much attention ought to be
the ~.... them
riattae al, to the towns. He would be happy to take of
cans'o6toniturtutlie thought it would be only fair that the
kb u get a repeal of the malt tax.
cora aaki
tcl
'11,... that the distress in this country was not
Which was ;„`"xt with teat which existed in Ireland,
t•anere wa a &tate of unparalleled distress.—(Hear,
theyeharad.)
,lither 1,--n„n°tl'ing to counteract this in Ireland, as
.y
it
'4. dist, -`4ll-actlares nor commerce, so that when agricuh ut-
the
e"
"1414, distress prevailed universally throug ou
.._ cottat,_.
"Ofound 7 Irca--1... was at present in a state of the most
t'tertil'
that co co distress,, and, to his own knowledge, the landlords
Until' would not receive this year more than a fourth
their
tents'et.
ktfatiingsSalnNd;_n_otAwlißthsastatidid that the the rent of land was everywhere
It3' of' the farm the reduction of rent, the pros_.h
,Je a . —Ara was not on the increase. It would astonish
tt4sgrieulturists of Scotland not a little when they found those
ceii„ es Who were not
to be in a state of prosperity were re-
r4.44 that relief from taxationwhich was withheld from another
a pat., ‘,ho were acknowledged to be in distress. It was as if
Mel ent, in a very bad state, should be told that it was abso-
hat iY necessary that some remedy should be applied to him,
tere44tead of applying it to the patient it should be adminis-
c,,,t°, °ne who was perfectly well.
relic rain YOKKE said, that he should be very happy to give
'lFic uf
any description, but he looked with great suspicion
, n the .„
-tl p •.1)- al of the malt-tax as a mode of giving relief
h
wht' agriculturists.—(Hear, hear.) He
clestionedhemufeelt
that ifer,l_ in the end, it would give rehef,
Placed "'''e Malt tax was repealed there must be s'omase other tax
tor ,k.n Pi operty in general to replace it. There had been
t°6 fo t'l'ee a party powerful in that House, who were look.
meant roan opportunity to advance their own interests—he
t
against 2
to tie, aianufacturers—who would have this argumen
tax w e agriculturists, namely, that as soon as the ma lt
_..ken
14 off it would be a rf.,son for importing corn duty
thlo ; ,:"; 'at, tiear ) For this reason he questioned whether
aiirieeljlea' " the Malt tax would give substantial relief to the
thUrl interest's.
is led int:;."-IVLN was aware of the great distress that preh-
the s,_
,` 'e agricultural class—it was communicated throng
theget:Jr:le:rib:: chi! Majesty ; but there was no use in suggesting
ehotalchokti'llg
that off the malt, or window, or house taxes ;.
the nation should be reduced, the interest of
the geherai°U, debt should be lowered, or nothing could avert
mr.
~_ calamity that was impending over the country.
pealed Was of opinion that the malt tax should be re-
hear)—the etillS4 tonal tax laid on spirituous liquors—(Hear,
effects of which winerletis(OniZiv:rhsiallehyW" so general, and the bad
and haNiiness of the universally
should be repealed, as then the felt. It was for the interest
g classes that the malt tax
Ile Could not agree with the ars
roan, that the manuf t • brew Y could their own beer.
. unient used by an Hon. Gentle.
eilt,. r . ac uring interest would depress the agri-
ih to al interest, in the event of relief being given to the latter by
roe repeal of the malt tax. He (Mr. Hardy) represented a bo-
ttle", the inhabitants of which showed no disposition to injure
his agricultural classes. The repeal of the corn laws would in
a,..,1,1'14d
rbe conducive to the interests and comforts of both the
I,,,iiiltural and manufacturing classes.
Cif ~t WART considered thatttwheas
cornlaws formed a subject
the only proceeding that
Iva, !juats.national importance. It
beneficial to the country.
I
Etr. ,:liiable and eventually
laWs 'erHELL would vote for an alteration_in the corn
raehi . It would tend to the prosperity of the landed
. and manu.
tic% '1.4 interests. It was absurd to oppose it on the supposi.
test °,1,4 gi°4lB a predominance or monopoly to the landed bite_
eaten ki3:,_. slaking an alteration in those laws. A more
thle h°,.., view of the question should be taken. About
DrOve,„-"Qted years ago opposition was raised to the im_
Aria,7ent of turnpike-roads leading to London, on the same
4o2P:es ; however, the objections were overruled, and the,
Anr°_. prove
accordingly took place. Hon. Gentlemen would
jas tee're that the objectic ns to the alterations of the corn wed
In th_equally futile, and he hoped that they would be disregarded
d
ker_.e s.a.ine manner. He would take the poor-rate as it ap-
the r,toutrom the year 1821 to 1831, but he would not trouble i
I__'? se with a long statenneot of figures. In 1821, in the
.
ZglitY of Norfolk, the "a., now 18s 4cl• • •
:::::, int 2425.% d;. '
\,,,,, now " n°w 21s. o.d.
i'tkiwit now
no; -8s! average of the rato was 15s. 6d., it
in Suffolk it was 18s. Id. in the year 1821,
.t
; in Sussex it was then 18s. I Id, i
to Essex it was then 235. Bd., and it
ill Lincolnshire it was formerly ss. 6d.,
, 3d• • in Warwickshire it was formerly 125.,
e°_ tiriastiensZi •"'_s; 6d, 80)th.at it would appear if the agricultural
let rid of"' a nonopniy,
r' /lli n t ~, it was one they were very anxious to
the oectn , .1' - :',., jun., said that in Ireland the
.interests of
very di,,rs of the soil and of the owners of the soil were w
s tu,,k ~..trent things. The owner of the soil, in that country,
ereep'r"
occupier every fraction that the soil produced
Brestint a bake
sustenance Therefore it was evident that the
'ion,,,uf the one Was *very different fromhat of the other.
sioneudc"2ll"l" nlade no by his labour bunte food he con-
luired 'i
nut s° in England, where the occupier. or farmer ree-
pt
,0 int „„1„ ~
/00d and sustenance his family, but som
Irish ila,r). his labour. He was quitesatisfied that so long as
‘'o44lbedr'r(N kept up the present high rates of land, the people
Sir. h,Eln, Poverty and distress.
drops,,a,g'ie IGUS O'CONNOR said that, as representing a large
Vict, , county in Ireland he wished to show the dig-
`gla, i"tween tile,e two classes in the two countries. In
l'ier t.t- ' ' 4S
°°ll as an portion of the fair profits of the occu-
the
ar'e!'
t4keti
awl Yh
b an to complain ; but in Ireland
We
e'culturist
t, -either never ceompeglained until all was gone. This
,"°int,,..., an agricultural nor a manufacturing question. The
"e bro - -.4 must stand or tall together. The Noble Lord, when
4 I ettUygthrt. forward his Budget the other night, had them
41,4(1 Put ~lek• lie took off 1 200,0001., and laid onPittedo,oool.,
enlrf,etiu-
rain%a. bone of contention to set the agriculturalcaontda
time
i b interests a fighting. With regard to the t
the
1,-'..41e to d'! aBreeli with the Noble Lord that this was no
4etweoil Ist:Liss the question. Here also there was a distinction
d
I‘4Bll3l,ltihe hvo countries, *Were he an English Member,an an.
14
he aln be would vote for a total repeal of the Corn Laws,
ii.nll a a,„„wea-t
annt.Prepared
Codo so as an Irish Member represent-
-4n, , gricultural ounty, because there was a great drief...
Position rtween the landtords of the two countries. A p
Iv 414168 t
Wt inake airy reduction in the rents in Ireland would
as tra revolution. If a repeal of the Corn Laws mercy
Ned it w
, reY Of th ould throw the agricultural labourers up. on the
_
'he Pre,e e 'post tyrannical set of men that ever exis ed
gcnttetotot Aristocrac of Ireland. In England they had
,tibkinseiv:e who felt for their tenantry—who identified
'"e taxee . with theta and bore the greater proportion of
t'l'bo th tenantbot every t the land in Ireland fell
'11"14 of
' When this was brought forward he
quenee „,. :1/liged to
laws .
tithe posit' vote "against his principles, in conse-
"tt ad ~ on in which Ireland was placed from bad to
Sir c. ‘-'overit
tion htlllilLr , 'nein- -of re ' .-I ,Co u Id assure the House that the reduc-
-1
been ~ tits tbrou
and
f!uove
one
h ghout England upon the poor
.lands had
land, 'itlY. lieualf• He thought it right to state this plainly.
e was more
thatt4l-I"isdptPenth:ts slit it than that upon his own
abroad
obta* ""°41(1
b
' thought of most of his neighbours. It was right
Whe, atated, because misrepresentations had gone
ined relief i„ the trauing interests were distressed they
, the
there mi"otiviarion, ways from the Government, and he
e land inter 4be lit) unkind feeling on theirpart towards
hear,) R_ , o est, wh_ w
relief of th' " Pet! that'
were their best customers.—(Hear,.
aside.e one class anY observations which would go to the
~ They had comeand the injury of the other, should be laid
tither, an • to
I°t, , Q Prom there to do the best they could for each
••• oientletne,,._,°te their interests. He was sure that a 1 the
c4tiothset,tizetstoatz.d'.fieswturno heard him were aware that the heavy onus
Ul)on the landowners, under peculiar ca.
Fora brows h ess occasioned by the great influx of foreign
-g t int° the market. It was quite cleai that the

shiiiand
, i insurance Compan:
n
orders of the H(
kr
on
leave was given to bring in
found. CA
1' RTWRIGH (
ed A
Noble i
apetition from
l‘irnpike-road,
In' Place, had sted jot'
turnpike.ro s, at
ad and ithis wo
i alterations would be made i
know
Sir E.
KNATCHBULL
lOgwhat alterations won]
for bills might be put t
le hoped the Noble Lorc
lilanation.
Mr. CARTWRIGHT pi
Xortharripton respectini
other blasiness before the H
lit 'l. Son SHAW LEFEVRI
th
cotinty anipton, praying '
L. Lord uoRpETH broug
4k4el
river Navigation Compai
„Lord IiE.N•NIKER Pres 4
' • "e inhabitants of the town
ti. •
-• aught be repealed. T
tultUral distress of the cot
Rreat rneasure to the mal
statee,,,,
the
egricultu
44Yer of the petition.
Ftcatgear CORBETT said th
ett possible attention 4
.oroble opinion that unle7
or sornething approaching
b e rnucti greater than it w"
Major lit AUCLERK c
kenTher
the for Oldham that u:
An*.• .
agneniturai di.,,----