The Sun.
London, England, 1802-02-23 00:00:00

IMPERI/IL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS,

MONDAY, rEI3. 2Z.
COTS A-PPEAL.
Scot.!. V. BRODIE.-.—Counsel were heard at con.
tiderable length in confihuaticn, relative to this
Cause.—After which their ,Lordships deferred the
further hearing till to-morrow. . .
Lord PELIiAn,
,oursuant to the notice he had
given, moved,. That the consideration of His Ma-
jesty's Message, relative to the state of the Civil
List, be deferred till this day se'nnight—which,
on
the question being put, was ordered accordingly.
The Duke of NORFOLK took she opportunity
to suggest the propriety of having the Accounts
relative to the Civil List, which were laid' upon
the Table, printed.
This proposition of the Noble Duke's gave rise
to a conversation between the LORD CH hIsIC ELLOR,
Lords PEI AM and THoßeow, and his Grace,
which, as relative to the point in question, was to
the following effea :
The.LORD CHANCELLOR observed, that he
made inquiries respecting what had been the gene-
-141 yawls. 21,1, ctuttCsra Li/ ,freir Lordships', House on
such occasions, and the result of these.inOuiries was,
his finding that the general usage and ptgtice was
against the printing Papers of the desCription of these
in question,- namely, snch.Papers as had been grant-
it ,usly from His NIEOF:Ty, as was
the case in the present instance. With' regard to
such Accounts as were laid upon the Table, in con-
sequence of Addresses of the House,- it was the cus-
tom frequently to have them printed for the infor.
mation of their Lordships; on these general grounds,
in the first instance, the Noble and Learned Lord
seemed opposed to the proceeding suggested by the
Noble Duke.
The Duke cf NORFOLK, in general terms, con-
tended for the conveniency which would result from
printing the Accounts, by giving individual Peers
a due understanding of the subject; and seeming to
conceive, that the general prahice was in favour of
Printing such Accounts.--he submitted his_ proposal
to the House in the shape of a regular Motion.
Lord PELHAM' expressed his difference of opi-
nion from the lgoble Dulee,,on the present occasion,
seemingly on the aener2l ssroends adverted, to by •his
Noble and Lear Friend, and particularly on the
consideration that the Accounts in questiop were
not of shot complicated or voluminous nature, but
that any individual rtord could, in a short time,
make himself master of their contents.
-The LORD CHANCELLOR repeated what he
bad befofe said, that the best result of his inquiries
was, his finling4 that it waS not the general usage
or custom of the House eo order Papers eoromuni.
catod to them gratuitously from the Throne, to be
printed. Another consideration adverted to by his
Lordship, was, that on such occasions as the pre-
sent, it might be a inatter of discretion on the
pail of the House, not meaning now to lay it down
as a general principle, or ground upon which to argue
the gobjeit) to set its face against the printing of
such Papers, with a reference to the, ahusi to which
that Proceeding would be liable by means of further
publications, He was aware that their Lordships,
at any time, had the power of preventing the pub-
lication of their Proceedings, but he seemed to say,
that in such cases as that in question, the House
having in contemplation the abuses which may re-
sult from the printing, in the way he had adverted
to, might be induced to restrain from ordering
- thos, which though their general usage and custom
was against the pfoceeding, they had a right to do.
Lord TIP:JRLOW seemed to concur in part of
what fell from his Noble and Learned Friend, but
not to see in so strong a light the difference between
the means by which Papers were hid on the Table,
whether in consequence of Addresses of the House,
or spontaneous communications from the Throne ;
undoubtedly, in the latter case it may be a ground
fbr' the 'Dorf; speedy and respeaful consideration of
the respeaive subjects on the part of their Lord-
ships ; but when once Papers were on the Table,.•he
seemed to say, their disposal was a matter of dis.
cretion in the House. The Proceeding adverted to,
therefore, may be regarded as a question of expe-
. diency, to which certain consicletations, as the ex-
pence of the printing, for instance, might apply ;
" and he observed, that when these Papers were
printed, there. was the greater chance for their
being generally read.
The Duke of NORFOLK, in explanation, con..
tended for the convenience which would result in
the present ir.z%.:nce from having the- rapers printed,
by enabling their Lordsbips individually- to inform,
themselves of the subjeca. As to what had been
-said of restraining the printing; he conceived it
might be done without violating the • Orders of
the House notwithstanding, as in his idea, any
Lord could regularly obtain a Copy of the Papers
feotis the Cleik, and afterwards have it printed for
his own private use.
Thi LORD CHANCELLOR spoke in explana-
tion, particularly with respect to what had fallen
from his Noble and Ise.arned Friend, to whom he
observed,
.he did not mean to lay down a principle,
or matter of argument, put merely stated what was,
on partiiular occasions, the geneo custom and
usage of the House ; anti proceeding Piurilter, he ob-
served, that when Papers were ()Meted tube print-
ed, it was fOr the infbanation of , their Lordships
indiv. dually,and not for the purpovs of publica-
. ;ion.
The question was then put on the Duke of NOR-.
YOLK'S. Motion, which was negatived.
Lord Pzottesx presented some Papers, which, as
we could colleft, were Accounts relatiive to the Po-
pulation in Various parts of the Country ; they were
ordered.to lie on the Table; and, shortly after, an
Order was made, that these Accounts, when corm-
- piece, should be printeil for the use of the House.
The various Bills before the House, which,- in
general, Stood for commitment, were forwarded in
• . their respeftive stages.
- One private Bill was brought up from-the Com-
mons by Mr. Di citesisoN, which being read a first
time, and some private Business disposed of, their
Lordships adjourned till to-morrow.

Noun Or et?
MONDAY, YES. 22.
Mr. Titirrett brought up a Bill to ere& a new
Gaol in the County of Galway, which was read a
first, time.