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great inipdittiee 61 tit! ably
cidited in the following Speech of iVIr.
on Thursday, at the Gencal Court of Proprietors
at the East India House, and ;he general interest
has created in the public t&nd, induce us to give it
that attention, from which we were yesterday prc,
vented by a press of other mat ter.

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Mr. TiVlNfilb having made the Motion given in
our Paper of yesterday, it -,vas bccon d by Mt,:
HU6LESTON, who spoke nearly as follows
I rise, Sir, to second. the Moti.ln, and althette
I have not the vanity to think I cad add t' the
impression which my Hon. Friend's Speech must
have made on the-mind of every-person present, I
shall endeavour to deliver my sentiments on the
present momentous subject, hoping for the same
indulgence that I have on former occasions experi-
enced in this Room.

The East India Conipany, Sir, are certainly
arrived at an awful crisis -- struggling abroad
with serious difficulties, and at home threatened
with an hard requital for the sacrifices by which
they have been occasioned; but yet hope,
Sir, that the highly respeaed Nobleman at the
.Head of the Board of Comm', and his Colleagues;
will re-examine their opinions, and that a mutual
spirit of conciliation and a mutual perception of the
n:•cessity of harmony, and cordial co-operation, to
all the interests concerned, «•ill lead to an amicable
adjustment of the existing difference. -
I have perused, Sir, the Reports of your Special
Committee, and• the other• Papers that have been
printed for the Proprietors, on the subject of the
Private Trade.—l have also perused the Publicati-
on of an Hon. Proprietor present, and have traced
in it the same talents and indUstcy that I have for-
merly, with great pleasure, seen exerred in this
R:,ome on the side of the • East India Company •;
and I can truly declare, that I rose from the pert)_
sal, impressed with a convieqion, that all the mate-
rial principles and dedudians laid down by your
Committee are substantiated ; and looking forward
to what I consider as unavoidable consequences, I
can see ne solid distinlion between the change de-,
sired and an indefinite enlargement . of the Trade ;
which it is, I believe, pretty generally adinid,
would lead direalv to a system of COlination, and
from thence to the dissolution of our Indian Ern_.

re.

This has been termed a Watch-word, and I hope
it will prove a watch-word, and a signal of alarm,
not only to the Proprietors of India Stock, but to
every man who knows how inseparably connected
is the stability of our Possessions in India with the
vital interests of the State i it is, at least, Sir, in_
comestible, that whoever brings forward, or as-
sists the efforts of others, to accomplish so important
an innovation as that which now engages the in-
dustry of that lion. Proprietor, is bound to demon-
strate thet no such peril can attach to it ; and that
it may be adopted without wound or injury to
Rights which the Company have so dearly earned, and
which the Private• Traders themselves ought to feet
it a sacred obligation to proteel. Now, Sir, what
are the arguments and. inducements offered in favour
of the Plan, and to disprove the danger ? Why, Sirs
the late President of the Board of Contrail], and af..
ter hiin the Hon. Proprietor, lay their principal
stress on the unanimous opinion of your most intel-
ligent Servants in India, in its favour ; that is to
say, the most intelligent of those persons, a just
indulgence to whose interests. the late President
states, in the same paragraph, to be the leading o'.
jea of the Plan. No one, lam sure, can entertain
a higher opinion of the Servants of the Company than
I do, both in respea to ability and integrity ; and
"few have had better opportunities of judging of them ;
but, Sir, there is a principle universally recognized,
which prevents it from being usual to rely in favotit
of any Plan on the approbation of those who are to
profit by it f in such cases we receive the testimony
of the most upright with considerable allowance,
recolleaing that it comes to them with one of the
strongest instinas of our nature on its side, which
may blind them to its irnperfeCtions. - To what
other cause can it be ascribed, that those Servants
see only beneficial effeas; and no risk of anYeUnfa,
vourable consequence, from a system which we,
and many with us, think fraught with itumedike
injury, and final ruin to the Company ? Is it unfair
to answer, that they see it only on one side, and
pursue its efreas no further than the period of their
own administration or residence in India ? But if
it had been thought advisable to obtain the unbi-
assed sentiments of intelligent Servants of the Coin,
pany, are there not Servants of that description in
England, who, their fortunes being already re..
mitted, have no motive on the side of interest to
warp their judgment ? Let me see their written
opinions in favour' of the Plan, after they shall have
examined it in all its bearings and relations, and I.
will acknowledge them a solid ground of ait-ument,
--The next argument relied on, is the opinion of the
present Governor-General, the Marquis WEL,I.E.S.
LEY. I hope I shall not be thought to derogate
from the great merit and splendid talents of this
Nobleman, who, almost immediately on entering on
his high station, had occasion for all those energies
which distinguish a great from a common mind, and
chewed that he possessed them—but I contend, Sir,
that on a subject of this nature, we do riot look for
judgment, or judicious opinions, from splendid
talents or elevated rank ; but from plain sense and
matured experience-longer experience, certainly,
and more matured, than the Noble Marquis could
have possessed at the period when his Lordship ap.
pears to have made up his mind on the sublea ; and
it is therefore not unfair to conclude, that the ideas
expressed in his Letters, were adopted on the par-
tial suggestions of others.—The Publication of the
Hon. Proprietor would lead a reader to suppose that
the opinions of the Governor-General, and of the
late Right Hon., President of the Board of Controul,
were equally favourable to the views of the Private
Traders ; but your Committee have shewn that:
there is an essential difference between them. The
late President would limit the Plan to bona fide
Indian Capital—" to the making the surplus pro_
" duce of. India the means of transferring the for-
" tunes of the Company's Servants in India to
" Great Britain." He agrees with your Cam_
mittee, that " the permitting the transfer of

But, Sir, are the Private Traders or their Agents
willing to accept the Trade on that Right Hon.
-Gentleman's limited principles, and to forego the
more liberal system of the Governor General ?-s-,
The error of the Right Hon. Gentlerian (if I may
presume to attribute error to him), I vonceive to
be, in supposing it pbssible that the'Tratie could be,
or-remain so limited. He states, " that the par.
" ties themselves should manage the Trade, or
" Agents for them, subjedt to the control and les
gulations of the Company ;" and afterwards,
that he sees no reason why those Agents may
rut be permitted to exercise their agency in any
of the Territories in India ; but, Sir, it must he
obvious to all who have had experience in India,
that the mangers of your own Trade, and of all
your other vast concerns, caninst /be allowed to ma..
nage this Trade on their own account. In all the
different Boards and Offices of importance, they
are, and must continue to be precluded from car_
lying on Private Trade, either as Principals or
Agents : they must consequently have Agents to
manage this Trade with England on their account.
The CoMpany's Military Officers too, must have
Ago*, and of course His Majesty's Officers must
have Agents, for they will have fortunes to remit
through this same Private Trade. Thus, Sir, even
on the late President's limited plan, you will have
a host of legaliZed Agents in India, and an Euro.
-penn Public at every Out-Settlement, as he 44 sees
" no • nhjeCtion to the Agents exercising their
" agency in any of the Territories in India."—
How numerous- then will be the Agents, if the
Trade is to be carried 'on by British Merchants in-
discriminately, and with British Capital ?
In addition to the vast nunibers that the Trade
Will invite to India, let it be considered how many
hundreds, and, in process of time, thousands of Eu-
ropean Ship Carpenters, Joiners, and other Arti.,
ficers, will be required for the prosecution of That
Trade, which your Committee have stated strong
grounds to conclude is, after all, the primary objets.,
'Lonely, a Trade in Intlian.built Ships, the subjed
of which is so unanswerably discussed in your Com-
mittee's 3d Report, that I have .but to observe,.
that the only argument in favour of the Trade, that
appears to me to have any real solidity, was the
supposed scarcity of timber for the Royal Navy; in
consequence of the great demand of large timber for
the Company's Regular Shipping ; and the argument
is completely done away by the proposition of your
Committee to build, if necessary, large Ships for
His Majesty's Service, and by the declaration,
" that the Diredors are 'ready to sacrifice their own
44 judgment, and to exert every endeavour to carry
4 such plans as may be recommended by His Ma.
jesty's Ministers for the public service, into ef-

The Officers and Crews. of Foreign Ships, which
the Hon. Proprietor speaks of, do not at all resemble
the persons who will wish to proceed to India under 1
the new System : the latter are not equally divested
of the Means of obtaining protelion by the influence
of connexions here. To- the spirit of adventure,
and the golden prospea held out by this speculation, •
and the hope of finding other avenues to wealth, and
a better trade than they were seat to manage, will
Ire added the serious inducement to emigration af-
forded by the pressure of the times. The persons
who proceed to India as Agents, those who May
employ them there, and the numerous friends of the
Plan is England, will.have one.common objet ; and
to judge of the probable issue, look only to the
powerful interests already 'united. against the Com-
pany, and the support they meet with—advert to
the situation in which we at
.this moment stand, :and
the occasion of this Meeting
Justly,- indeed, Sir, does your Committee ob-
serve, that the concessions made in 1793, are the
source from which the present claims originate ;• and
and if admitted, they will give birth to others.—
We know, Sir, that where passions less strong
than that of gain, are set at work, concession begets
concession, and that it is not always safe to grant
et-en those that are just : for that passion never yet
was satisfied, while any thing remained within its
possible grasp; and unhappily, whatever contributes

Enthusiasm, Sir, is of different sorts, and ope_
rates variously—mine tells me that no half-measuress
or partial savings, will anal but that your affairs
can only be retrieved by economical retrenchments
in every Department abroad and at home—by the
suppression 'of all Establishtrients and Offices that are
profitable only to the PosSessors—by making ta-
lents, experience, and integrity, the only. recom-
mendations to promotion abroad—by a just and
conciliating condw to_ all .with whom you have to
deal, whether weak or powerful; and, finally, by
forsaking the system once declared to. be repugnant
to the wish, the honour, and the policy of this
Nation !—[llear I bear ! from the corner occupied
by the Friends of the Private Traders. 3- h e Gen-
tlemen seem to be 'elated at this statement, but. I
. trust 1 shall spew that it affords them no cause of
triumph.—Sir, as matters. now ate, others.have in
effect a clear income from Territories which you
protect ; and, with receipts to the utmost, I believe;
of Eight Millions sterling, your real income is worse
than none. Your Commerce, however,, remains
and from that, the Proprietors derive their Di7i-
dend. But even that resource .is now grasped at,
and in a way, that, were it certain the Public would
benefit by it, would still be- unjust, because it
strikes. at your Chartered Privileges. But you have •
not that consolation—should 'your opponents pre-
vail, the Public will suffer with you, and the grand-
children of many present, tracing on the Map-the
Topography of that qu'arter of the Globe, will point
out to their children the vast tracts that once were
British.lndia! But, Sir, I will hot yet believe that
this " interference in a department of your business,
" where the administration is declared, by the
" highest authority, to be exclusively your own,"
will be persisted in : until the fa& shall stare me in
the face, I will not believe that the present •Mi_
nister, of whom, amidst all the collisions of party
there is but one opinion, and, that unmixed with. a
single shade of disapprobation, will give the sanc-
tion of tis fair name to so great an injustice; as that
of wresting from the East-India Company the Pri-
vileges of their, Charter, and retaining the price that
haS'been paid for them. , I have meant here, Site, no
invidious comparison, being convinced that the
mind of the iliustrions Person who presided in the
late Administration, would have .equally revolted
at such an injustice ; nor am I less ,convinced of the
pure .and upright motives which govern. the Conduta
of the Noble Earl who presides at the Board of
Contraul—to err, and to:yield to partial represnta- -
lions, is human ; but his,Lordship can have none
but disinterested views," nor any other object than
virtuous fame. At all events, it is desirable that
the business should speedily be -brought to a-final
issue ; otherwise, Sir,' what will be the opinion int
India of the situation of the Company; qnd What the
estimation there of your authority r If Unhappily the
decision should be against the Company, they must
state with respectful. firmness to Parliament the sa-
trifices made, the ruinous • burthens incurred, and
the vast sums expended by the ',East India
,Company -
during the last 30. years, to aid the National Cause,
and often in enterprises in which the COmpany had
no distin& interest, but the success of which was
made subservient to the public- welfare, and the 6:-
pences left on them : they must petition against the
injustice of being compelled to protect a Trade in ;
opposition to their own, and a system operating to
their own destruction : they, must reSpe&fully claim
that this .rival Company, admitted to a participa-
lion in the Company's Commerce, shall participate
in the expellee of protecting it..
Sir, in contemplating the more transcendantly.
important consequences of the System demanded, I
have overlooked the injury it must operate to the
Company's Regular Shipping, and the Commanders
and Officers in your Naval Service—this is' too ob-
vious to require any detailed argument—the.lndian
Markets will be glutted—the leak Ships will of- •
ten be filled .with. the Company's goods, and Gen-
tlemen returning from India will often, if not ge-
nerally, embark on them. You will find it necassary
to increase the pay of Your-Commanders and Offi-
cers, but increase will compensate the differ-,
once; rind those who may engage in your Service,
under the new System, will not be of the same de,
.scription with those-who have done it and them-
selves so much honour, and who have at different
times, and whenever called on, so nobly seconded
those efforts of the British Army and Navy, by

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