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London, England, 1834-04-22 00:00:00

i, • ii c c of Parliament had
444. 440 0 riiarawc; avr
st tle .4(11120"a-
It His, but flew hail not-powee-to make the members of
Altofc bodies Taith tqstrth :duties thby lad,aworn, toidis-
-11-4;a4*- 'bad passed-many, tnany,,yeaTs in clOse text,
nection \vith those bodies, and he was.prepared`to Sa.Y from
hat he Li=eu of them 'that there scarcely one :mall
I, longing to theM—Certiinly there were-rat many-L-who
j s -6uld not be prepared _to meet any eonsequehees rather
than become patties -to the desecration Of ' \that v:rs
I,,t,st -sacred, and the spoliation of '-'4vhat they- had- leng
I- been- aCcustOmed consider peculiarly their own-.
One thing had 'Occurred to-night -for which he was not
prepared, and which had given him great gratification,-1;e
incant the presentation of the second „petition, which 'the
iilnstrious duke hatilaid on the table. Like the illustrious
,lake, he (the Bishop of Exeter) was not disposed to en-
courage persons on state pitpillari in Coming to Parlia-
ment with the- expresion of their opinions on any matters
I,llc:,fiheilscevhgii.sttltahotainbli
tccihoenadsmi,doteisiion ;- but when-their own best M-
I crests were concerned—when- that reit -ion was at stake,
valuablea felt
to
ribose.
steslit-o-dneawreescto;ualsd-we-enii6alyl
--when its interests were struck-at; he thanked- Goa that
the members of those-betties had' the courage to come fot-
ward ; he rejoiced at Was one .of the redeeming points of
the times, and with such an- example before him he hoped
should be pardoned for applying the words of Ito.
!leathen poet to the present ease-,
" Di patrii,-quorum semper4ab-numine Troja est,
Non tamen omnino Teueriai'delere paratis, .
Cdrn tales animos juveiniintet tam ecru tulisti
Pectora:" "- -
The LORD- CHANCELLOR said that the right rev.
prelate had put forward that which had certainly astonished
him, and'he had no doubt .many of their Lordships' also.
re had put-forward something-4 doctrine, and somethilig
Orthe disbelief of ethit doctrine—at one time, that all- Was
another time, that nothing was to be
k;elieved—at one period, that there was to be a worse.than
ti eless fornr—a ceremony professedly sacred, praCtically
'unmeaning-,at another, that implicit -faith was the only
Possport to honours and. dignitiesi"He had put forward
that youth-at-the universities begin -by subscribing what
t'-hey -could not then undeiStahil,' and *ere afterwards'-to
learn= that'tliis had longbeen the practice, and ought= to
continue as the-practice: -'Well, how, if that was-trues-L.-if
what had been stated as the custom was genuine, he thitst
say, that a more 'cluinsy invention had never been dis-
covered by-human brainss,:tiO Matter what brains, lay or
cleriCal, academical or otherivist-than this, which eatl.-a
On a -person to profess'a--doetrTne which he did not under-
stand—to swear to thirty-nine prepositions of metaphysical
principles, NI-hid:Ole -had !lei*. studied,- - to play with-gni:li
a subject, insfeac of.writing foes lines: of plain English,
declaring hiMself a meinbet"'hf-the church of Englar4 as
by law established. -He- thtsught this-bad indeed-•=le
looked on it as a- cloak to hypoetiiy--4s the ally of casuistry
--as-a trap-for tender eonscienees-4S a :desecration- of The
holiest subject on which the mind of mail could dwell ;Alit
if it NN-S' a-desecration before, now that it reared- itseltup
in all its native deforinity before his eyes, he regarded it as
the Very refinement of subtlety and casuistry—as the elOak
for hypecrisyriif the vilest andcoarsest nature. -
The Marquis of SALISBURY rose to order. The-rule
of their kin:l:ships' heuse alleWed a noble -peer to explain" any
Observation of his own which had been- Misapprehended ;
brit the noble and learned-lord, instead of Confining him-
self-to this,
,was'makitig a violent attack, -of a-very unt's-
iifiable character, on one of the Most remarkable institu-
tions of the countrV: -
The LORD CHANCELLOR said it was a good rule,
worth any fifty he had ever- seen in that house, that befbre
me noble peer called -another noble-peer to order, he
shOuld have some knowledge—some faint glimmering of a
speaker's meaning. - -He meant no attack--on that venerable
institution—he meant 'no attack on: itupporters or de-
fonderS--,hemeant no attack— : !2. . :„
Lord -WYNFORD—I rise to order.
The -LORD -CHAN-CELLOR—And'to do I-thitie
move-that-I've theright-to_ciihtinue my explanatietWil if
that won't do I'll'Move an -tiMetalment.
• Lord WY.NEORD—Uni -afraid you'll find that edit-Fin't
move--an amendment. - - -

The LORD CHANCELLOR—Then I'll finish Any
-explanation.
Lord WYNFORD--If you wish to move
ent -you can't do it,. for tchmen. time►iot.
ig.oaiipepe'bayl!
wtimi7iitibri‘peier
time was afthe dose of•your first speech: You cannof do
it otherwise. No, you
and learned friend himself to the great doctoegVordef in
tliF4 house__A appeal to him
.-to -say U•liether; Ste ther
house— - - - L.:44 4.0
The Duke of RICHMONIXL-I-rise to order. -=
The Bishop of. EXETER-:-A *Ord in explanation.
- The Dtiree'irlf'BlCElMOND-'-acd ;,Iri,e to order. The
'right rev.-Prelate"alluded in -his' speech to Inv tioblo and
learned friend personally, and: in these cases'it is always
11,:tial to allow noble lerdsto-go fully into explanation. The
noble duke - opposite (Wellington) has spoken twice in,
the i
The Duke of WELLING'FON—I rise to order I`
to explain:
The Duke of RICHMOND—But I'm speakingio order,
I -am only anxious; mylords, that my noble and• learned
friend should have a fair opport unity of: explaining ; instead
of Which he is called the great doctor of all.- (Laughter. )
My lords, the Loid Chancellor Iris nothing more to. do
with order in this house than any one noble lord in it he
has.fio6 more claim than I to put all right---and he-the
doctor. By way ofputting all right, however, Frnove that
this house do now adjourn. .
•- {The confusion here became very great, the Lord Chan-
cellor straining his-voice to the highest piteh.'}- •
The LORI) CHANCELLOR—The .question before
thisliouse—the question before this house stands The-originaltbui,t—
question before this house'is, " that the peti-
tion do lie upon the table ;" since which it has been moVed
" that this house do now adjourn."
Several PEERS—No, no, -
The LORD:CHANCELLOR—Now:I can-'spealiP I
must Simply express my regret that I Should have to inflict
ant-thing on your patierice-; but I will relieve
.your -lord-
ships' apprehensions, for I will not say one single Word by
way of speech. I have said sufficient to express My asto-
niShrtient at the doctrine of subscription which has been
laid down to-night, and now I will-only congratulate our
lOrdships that youican boast of living Witnesses of thettnew
and prosperous..'era which has dawned upon this house in
reference to its orders. Since I have had the honour' of a
seat in this house, which is now three years, I never fdund
the latitude of debate interfered with. I always looked, a,
your lordships did, upon an explanation as a kind of privi-
leged second speech
The Duke of WE L-L ING T 0N..--No,.

The-LORD CHANCELLOR—Why perhaps the n04...‘
duke does not look • omit as such but he certainly pracn
tises it. How-ever, he--hoped for the future they would al/
agree to confine themselves strictly to explanation. I, sill
say no more than assure my noble and learned friend (Lord
Wynford),, who is not yet upon the woolsack (Laughter)
that till he attains that distinction, which, as your lord-
ships all know he so well MeritS, 'and probably very greatly
covets I(Laughter), I will only assure him, that even for
the little 'space Which he-thinks I hate to fill it ere I.roake
Way for him—even i for that little space I have no disposi-
tion • to play- the•doctor,, or the tyrant, or the quack; for
each moble peer in this-house has Just as mud' power as I
have. Now, I -will.only oxpress7 Yny'satisfaction,thatheiice-
forward we arc to have orderittour proceedings.
7ThelXil.ce of )1W EL L INg K01',4%741,..4 W4,11'0,041-fled
lercphas argu4l4, that not only tit-alight, but on former oe-
eakous, I ,have made Secoilitspeeehes,--1, say, I never did.
Fgran t.r was bordering- on= iviliiii-everring,• but.Lknowing
the bad precedent_ that might-be set, I immediately stopped
riitself. I again deny the Is,titti*i6it of the- noble and
learned lord on the woolsack.

The LORD CITANCELLOR-It does not -folloVir be,
cane the noble duke denies what I say;- that he 4 kiett
guilty of it: I have often heard persons deity things:-)xery,
strenuously, that it afterwards appeared the,yhad eeOstfintly.
been in the guilty practice of. (Laughter.) E„Xplan4img,
in my view, is not replying to what an oppo4ent 'sayst
explaining, putting in a clearer and more 4fiucd..foriCwhat
yon have yourself said. If in the ether house • I hadSsaid
one-twentieth part in explanation of Nvhb.t 'hive heafd in.
your lordships' house, -I have no doubt I 'should haves!been,
hailed with•reiterated cries' of " Spoke, spoke," bef(ire
had got to the end-of my first speech.
The Duke of WELLINGTON--What I s. d wits, I
never in explanation made use" of a new arg':.,ritent. Again
I say I never did, and again I deny wh atJ the noble and
learned. lord says.

. The Lord Chancellor, the D':.ce of Cumberland, tlllklats,
quit of Londonderry, and th', .Bishop of Exeter alFrose at thu
same time, the cOnfusiiin in the house being verv-great,
The Bishop of EXETER----1 said that the subscription
of the 39 artielei: by a youth at 'the early age of 16 could
only, by a person of common arose, be taken as an antho-
rity that he belonged to that-church, and that his belief in
the doctrines of that church must be left to a TirO* ad-
vanced age and a more matured understanding.' -,
d rall,s•li
(73:IT:gen
nisdmoefnLALlSßUßY—The
.praetie,:.." Nihicft
The Duke of RICHMOND—I now beg leave to *Wl-
dofleatrhneedl-illodsrtdon
has
abrele,icit riteEp:ehaenticli etdheltaSalbareecinuisinotfluLlgolino
by none more than the noble lord who presides over his
DONDERRY (with great4ehe-
lllajestv's government. •
toggetete;TartqhueisfoorfmLerovive way, . ' - •Nb:DY, ETR- -R'zii:raonsde
bmeeelincteh),:htleio:o,ob:e:
has been guilty of one of the most uncourtcons acts; and
that ever-I witnessed.
The LORD CIIANCELLOR---I certainly don't sup-
pose the noble- lord who spoke last Means—but if Ito does
mean lam sure he will not succeed—to make a' per-
the
unparalleled '.b6scl'estaicels:
soPtii quarrel between the two Chancellor; (the Duke of
Wellington is Chancellor of Oxford). The noble' lord
speaks as if I denied a fact stated by the noble duke. 'I did
not deny a fact—what I denied was a matter of opinion.
I suppose there is some difference between the two, though
all of us, perhaps, can't see it.
The Bishop of DURHAM said a few words, whiertwere
ina'adible.
The Duke of GLOUCESTER'mOved that the petition
should lie on the table, which was agreed to, and the house
'adjourned: • i .
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