The Sun.
London, England, 1833-02-19 00:00:00

TITHES.

Lord ELLENBOROUGH asked whether it was the inten.
tion of Government to propose the renewal of the Bill of lasi
year for the collection of tithes ?
Earl GREY was understood to answer in the affirmative.

LUNATIC COMMISSIONS BILL.

On the motion that this Bill be read a third time,

Lord WYNFORD would not delay their Lordships by reite-
rating his objections to the measure, as another opportunity
would occur in the introduction of another measure connected

LONDON,
TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 19, 1833.

The speech of Mr. O'CONNELL last night was
one of remarkable eloquence and perspicacity, and
will, no doubt, have the effect of inducing Ministers
to modify the extreme and obnoxious portions
of their coercive Bill. The reasoning of the
Honourable and Learned Gentleman was clear,
succinct and animated, and can scarcely fail
of working in a proper channel. On the sub-
ject of repeal he spoke with much candour and
feeling. "As long," said he, "as I saw the uti•
lity of the connection—and an immense utility may
exist—l should prefer seeing this House doing jus-
tice to my countrymen, rather than it should be
done by a local Legislature. I repeat that this avowal
is likely to be turned against me in Ireland, but I ad-
here to it, for it is my abstract opinion. If I thought
the machinery of the present Government would
work well for Ireland, there never lived a man more
ready to facilitate its movements than I am. The
only reason I have for being a Repealer is the in-
justice of the present Government towards my
country. That Government must be unjust so long
as it lacks proper and impartial information ;
and this Mouse must legislate, as it were,
hood-winked, until the necessary inquiries are made
by it. I have been accused of selfish motives when
agitated, and cried out for a repeal. I can be liable
to no such accusation now, when I declare that this
projected measure of his Majesty's Government is
more conducive to a Repeal of the Union than all
my agitation, though it were a hundred-fold greater.
You may put down meetings, repress associations,
smotber public harangues; but tell me how can
you gag private conversation and private communica-
tion, which, when resorted to, must be still
more dangerous than open proceedings? The truth
is—and I will out with it—that Ministers, in wish-
ing to pass this Act of Parliament, have an after-
thought. It is not directed against those who are
Repealers, for nothing can be less calculated to
prevent Repeal. I'll tell you what it is directed
against—and I only tell you what I in my
conscience believe—its direction, its real inten-
tion, is to enforce the collection and payment of
tithes.—(Hear, hear.)" Mr. SHEIL'S speech, in its
way, deserves attention equally with Mr. O'CoN-
NELL'S, and accordingly we direct the attention of
our readers to it.

We beg to direct the particular attention of our
readers to Mr. COBBETT'S excellent speech of last
night upon the unequal pressure of the Legacy,
Auction, and Stamp Duties, generally. As an ex-
position of the miserable, paltry selfishness of the
Tory Aristocracy in their system of taxation, it was
admirable. Lord ALTHORP'S attempt at a reply was
altogether as impotent a failure. Why could he nog
have been content with acknowledging the vileness
of the pick-pocket laws of his predecessors, and his
determination to amend them, instead of in the same
breath announcing amendments and defending the
abuse ? Could he not see that every sentence he
uttered did but plunge him deeper into the filthy
slough the Tories had wallowed in ? Why defend
the rich not paying so largely as the poor under the
Stamp Act, by adducing the fact of the robbery of

the middling classes under the assessed taxes We
suppose that he will next justify a tradesman
paying ten times the sum paid by a nobleman,
as house and window-tax, on the ground that the
former is already cheated out of twenty times the
amount paid by the Nobleman in another matter.
Some of the papers make his Lordship gravely urge
as a good reason for not having a duty on the
inheritance of land, as well as personal property,
that it would, in the course of a certain number of
years, cause the value of the whole landed property
in the kingdom to pass through the Exchequer !
No doubt it would ; but is not the same effect pro-
duced by the legacy duty upon personal property ?
As well-wishers of his Lordship, and generally of the
Government, which has given the country a Re-
formed Legislature, we most sincerely 'trust that
these hackneyed Tory defences of injustice may be
given up. They are out of season ; the time for
them is gone by, and Lord ALTHORP may rely
upon it, that his acknowledgment of the law being
partial, and of his intention to remedy it, would have
done him much more credit than the lame and im-
potent attempt at a defence he put forth.
We have heard, and believe, that his Lordship
intends to take off the tax on receipts for small
sums, which is to a certain extent granting the
principle for which we contend, viz , relief for the
poor, and, at least, an equal sharing of burdens by
the rich. We trust it will be followed up.

Our readers will, perhaps, recollect that the fall
which took place in the Funds yesterday, was stated
in our city article to have been occasioned by the
report of Mr. O'CONNELL having gone over to
Ireland, on Saturday night, for the purpose of arran-
ging his measures of agitation before the passing of
the Suppression of the Local Disturbances Bill. It
is right that the public should be made aware that

it was the Morning Post which gave currency to a
fabrication which has, doubtless, occasioned many
individuals considerable loss, and the ill consequences
of which it is impossible to calculate. The over
anxiety of our contemporary to give publicity to a
falsehood, which gratified its party feelings, pre-
vented it Viking the obvious course, pursued by our-
selves, of sending to Mr. O'CONNELL'S residence to
ascertain the truth of a statement which might in
its results be so serious.

More than a fortnight ago we prepared the pub-
lic for the determination of Ministers to insist upon
the recall of the Dutch Minister at our Court, or
upon negotiating directly with the Dutch Govern.
ment, and not as heretofore, through the Baron
Von ZUYLEN. The last communication for Prince
TALLEYRAND and Lord PALMERSTON was made in
this way, and we understand that unless some satis-
factory explanation be offered for the deception
practised by M. Von ZUYLEN, in stating at one
time that he had received power to treat, and sub-
sequently that no such power had ever been granted
to him, his further tegidence in this country as a
medium of communication with our Government
will be quite unnecessary.

The coercive, and in many, very many respects,
the obnoxious Bill for putting down disturbances in
Ireland, was read a second time last night in the
House of Lords, and is to be committed tonight•
Harsh as it is, unconstitutional as it is, still it is not
half strong enough for the Duke of WELLINGTON,
who accordingly hinted his regret that Martial Law
had not been proposed on a more extensive mili-
tary scale. In his mode of curing the maladies of
Ireland, his Grace evidently acts on the Sangrado
system, bleeding and hot water. As regards the
latter prescription, however, it is manifestly super-
fluous, for to our knowledge, Ireland has never yet
been out of hot water.

We find by private letters from Paris that the
report of the pregnancy of the Duchess of BERRY
is again revived ; but whether as a malicious ru-
mour or not, it is impossible to Fay. It is worthy of
remark, however, that no official contradiction of
this rumour has been given by any member of the
reigning Royal Family. Were it totally untrue,
there could be no motive for a cruel re-
serve on the part of those members of her own
family, who are now at the head of affairs, and it is
but fair to Louis PHILIP to suppose that if he
were perfectly convinced in his own mind of the
falsehood of the rumour, he would discountenance
it in every possible way. Whether true or false, no
political interest, beyond that of the revilers of
Royalty, who are as much opposed to the reign-
ing KING as the Duchess of BERRY, can be attached
to the situation of that Lady, otherwise than as a
claimant to the Throne. Judging from the Carlist
Papers, one would infer that the partisans of the
Duchess are really alarmed lest there should be a
scandalous denouncement at Blaye, for they are ac-
tually denouncing a pretended conspiracy for repre-
senting to the public that her Royal Highness is in a
way that "ladies wish to be who love their Lords."
That any member of the French Royal family or of the
Government would lend himself to so base a combi-
nation we do not believe. How, therefore, are we
to interpret the insinuations of the Carlists, except
by supposing that they themselves are in dread of a
real denouncement, instead of a conspiracy, to destroy
the fame of the object of their regard.

THE FUNDS.-(THIS DAY.)

CITY, TWELVE O'CLOCK.

A mail has arrived from the Brazils, left Rio Janeiro on the
sth December, brought by the Lady Pelham, which was sup.
posed to have been lost, but the dates she brings are old, as we
have arrivals from there of the 12th December.
Footed at the North and South American Coffee-house :
" FALMOUTH, FEB. 17.-1 now beg to inform you that
the Pelham packet is arrived, having 800,000 dollars on board,
on merchants' account ; her passengers have experienced a
very bad passage."
By the French mail this morning, we perceive that the
l'Ami de la Chart speaks of a grand plot which was to have
taken place on the 13th February, the anniversary of the death
of the Duke de Berri. The Prefects of the East have sent a
report on the subject to the Minister of the Interior, stating that
they have observed numerous movements among the legitimate
chicfs,who were preparing to act. We have no doubt that various
plots still exist in France, to overturn the present Government;
but the Estafette, which has arrived this morning, does not
mention any thing on the subject ; therefore we conclude that
none have been put into execution.