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" To Mr. E. Hallam, Apothecary •
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. . CASE 59.
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weeks, from the first taking Quassia, his skin betime quite
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IitIPERItIL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF 'COMMONS,

WEDNIISDAY,. MARCH 3.

Ma. WM. DUNDAS. presented a Petition from the
Magist rates of the Tpwn of Kilmarnock, praying for
leave to bring in a Bill for improving the said Town,
by the construction of new streets, a new bridge, a
new.gaol, town-hall, &c.—Lea ye granted.
Kr. W. DUNDAS moved for, leave to bring in a
Bill to enlarge "the p«Avers of an A& for imposing. a
duty of zd. Scots, on all Ale and Beer made in
Dundee.

Mr. tASCELI:ES and Mr. WI LBEILFORCE were

added to the Committee on the Booksellers' Petition.

The House in a Committee went through the
Greenland Whale Fishery Bill, and the Report was
ordered to be received to-morrow.

Ordered, on the Motion of Mr. VA.NSITTART,
that the House should to-morrow resolve itself into
a 'Committee on the Bill to extend the Provisions of
the Lords' Aa. • •

Mr. W. DtrzvnAs moved,• that the Bill to enable
the East India Company 'to transfer their servants
from Bencoolen to their other Settlements in India,
shtlnld be read a second time to-morrow..

Mr. JOHNSTONE said- this was not thespro_
per time to' enter, into a detettssion upon the merits
of this bill, but it was "one to which he hoped the
House .would give the greatest attention, because
it was 'one of considerable importance, and would
have the effed,6l vio?aring the. Company's faith
with their SerVants .Madras:-. At a future op_
portunity he should deliver his sentithents:more at
large upon tibesubjet!t.
Mr.. DUNDAS 'he hoped. the Ifouse
would always give`-their attention to every bill
that was brought before them.; but he could not
agree with the Hon. Gentleman, that this bill
would tend to enable the Company to violate their
faith with their Servants at Madras. It was true,
that as the persons:in the Company's service at
Madras rase by seniority, those who were employed
at Bencoolen could not lite transferred thither, with-
out the intervention of an aft of Parliament. But
it ;lust be eviJent to every body', that was at all
acquainted with the affairs of the East India Com.
r any, .thAt this bill was necessary to save the East
India Company from the inconvenience of keeping
a large and useless establishment at Bencoolen, un_
less indeed it was to be contended, that the meri-
torious Servants of, the Company at that Settlement
should be turned out upon the world without any pro-
.vision. The Hon. Gentleman might, he thought,
have spared his observations upon the bill until a
more proper season; and he hoped, if that Hon.
Gentleman did upon a future occasion state his sen-
titnents upon the bill, he would come provided
with mute solid objeaions thatelhose he bad now
urged.

Mr. J'I4NSITTi4RT contended, that there was
no tbundation for the Hon. Gentleman's observa-
tion, that this Bill would tend to a violation of the
East India Company's faith with their Servants at
Madras.

The Motion was then agreed to_
The Order of the Day for the.second reading of
the Indemnity Bill being read,

Mr. rANSITTART stated, that this Bill was
nearly the same as, Parliament had been accustomed
to pass annually, but as there were two new Clauses
introduced into it, he thought it right to mention
them to the House. Tie first Clause was, to in-
demnify persons under particular circumstances,
who had omitted to take out proper Stamps; or w 14,0
had negleded to take out the proper Stamps for In-
dentures of Apprenticeship, &c. The objea of the
Clause was to give them further time to take out
the Stamps, upon paying double the duty. The
other Clause
.was, to indemnify persons who had
negleaed to take out the proper Stamps to enable
them to praaise in Courts of Law. By negleding
to take out these Licences, they were exposed to
penalties, that, in many instances, would be ruin-
ous, therefore, it was proposed, unde'r certain re-
gulariors, to allow them further time.
The Bill was read a second time, and was or-
dered to be committed on Friday next.
Mr. ALEXAYDE I? brought up the Report of
the Committee appointed to take into consideration
the Duties on Cinnamon, Cassia-lignea, Hides, &c.
The Resolutions were read a first and second time,
and a Bill wus ordered -to be brought in thereon.
. The Order of the Day having been read for
going into a Committee of Supply,

THE SECRETARY at WAR moved, " That the
several Estimates respeEting the Army, -Ordnance,
&c. which had been presented, should lie referred
to the said Committee."---Ordered.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee
of Supply.
The SECRETARY at W.4R said, that the Esti-
mates which had been referred to the Committee,
and upon which he meant to move certain Resolu-
tions, were for sixty-one days, and related to the
most important part, but not to the whole of the
ervice. They were the Estimates for Guards and
Garrisons, Fencibles, Barrack s.:rvice, Foreign
Corps, &c. They were calculated on the same
scare as those presented last year, and the only
reason why it had been found necessary, was be.
canse some change had taken place in the situation
of some of the Corps. He then proceeded to state
the number of men employed in the different ser-
vices, the total number of which, he said, was
:3oniething above zoo,ooo men, and the estimated
Expence for two months would be 1,270,0951. It
did not appear to him necessary that be should at
present occupy more of the time of-the Committee.
If, however, any Gentleman wished for any ex-
planation on-any particular point, he was perfettly
ready to give it. At present he should content
himself with moving his first Resolution, which
was, " That a number of Land Forces, including
7575 Invalids,: not exceeding 61,176 men be ens-
floyes.l its Great Britain, die Islands, of Jersey,

C,iernsey, )1-e. froat :Le qLIII to till` 401
May next." •
Mr. ELLIOK' said) he mall not consider the
Motion which had been submitted to the House by
the Right Hod, Secretary, as a mere matter of
,7course, as he should, do if the Country was now
actually engaged in a state of War, and iberefore,
taough he _strongly approved of the principle of
keeping up, under the present circumstances, a,
large forceryet he could not assent to the Motion,
without stating the motives Which iofluenced his
conduit. It had always been the custom, and 'ex-
perience had shewn it'to be a wise and well-founded
policy, for this Country, when she was regulating;,
the degree of force which it was proper for tier
to keep on' foot, to pay a due regard to the sittia.
tion, the objects and dispositions' of the Continental
Powers, and to proportion her preparations to the
state of other Nations. It was on this principle,
the propriety of which co-uld not be doubted, that
he felt the strongest Convidien of the necessity of
keeping up that large force which had been .pro-
posed by, the Right Hon. Gentleman. He was the
more confirmed in this opinion, when he took
into his consideration that strange. and alarming
• succession Of events which had occurred since the
signature of the Preliminary Articles of Peace—
events which were as alarming to this Country, as
they were big- with the most imminent -danger tts
the rest of Europe. - Before, however, he proceed.
ed further, he would, with the permission of the
Committee, anticipate some of the arguments which
he foresaw would be used against him, ,and endea-
vour to take off a kind of proscription which ex.
isted against him, because he had the misfortune to
1 differ from the majority, of the House, and from
His. Majesty's Ministers, upon the snbjet of the
Preliminary Treaty of Peace. He therefore felt it'
necessary distindly. to express his sentifnents, and
the motives which governed his conduCt. That he
bad had the misfortune to differ from the majority
of the. House, amid from.. His Majesty's Ministers,
with regard to the Preliminaries of Peace, he had no
reluaance to confess, but he was not so' lost to a
sense of his duty, as a Menjber ofParliament, as nor
to know that it became MITI to bow with deference .
to the 'judgment of the Houte. While, however,
he submitted to the colleaive wisdom of the House,,
he must be allowed to state, that his acquiescence
• could not alter the principles upon which his opinions
were founded,nor do away the donvietion of his mind,
and, therefore, he had no hesitation in declaring, that
his sentiments with regard to that Treaty remained
unaltered, and he sincerely wished that every day's
experience since that period had not more and more
confirmed him in the opinion which be had ori-
ginally formed. Tie thought then, and he thought
,now, that when the Noble Lord (Hasviessauxy)
put his signature to the Preliminaries of Peace, he
put his hand to an instrument fraught with danger
and humiliation to this Country, to an instrument
from which posterity would date the decline of this
Country. Parliament, however, had thought other-
wise ; ant as he had before stated, he submitted
to their judgment. But he hoped he might be per-
mitted to observe, that although 'the House had
given the sanaion of its approbation, to those pre-
liminary articles, it was not hound to adhere to the
opinion it expressed on a former occasion, if all the
circumstances upon which that opinion was given
had been since that time completely changed. He
Was particularly anxious to guard the House against
the doctrine, that, by agreeing to the Preliminaries
of Peace, they had deprived themselves of the right
of animadverting upon circumstances which had no
connexion with them. One of the circumstances
• to which he alluded was, the extraordinary scene
which had lately been played in Italy: Many
people, he believed, were induced to approve of
the Preliminaries, from a hope that the Govern_
ment of France would in future ad with a degree of
moderation,
.and endeavour to consolidate the power
which she had acquired. They-thought, that al-
though the Cisalpine Republic was in a considerable
degree wider the influence of France, yet that she
might by degrees acquire a sort of independence,
anal forM a sort of barrier between France and. Italy.
—But subsequent events had • completely untie-.
ceived those who entertained such hopes, and had
shewn them, that they were ignorant of that furious
lust of power which actuated the Government of
France. If that Government had stopped in her
career for a moment, it was-only to take breath,
that she might renew it with redoubled vigour.
'We had seen an immense force sail from the ports
of France, Spain, and Holland, without, as he be-
lieved, any communication of the specific object of
that expedition- We had seen the Chief Consul
of France go to Lyons, anda without any com-
munication teany of. the Powers Of Europe, de-
clare that there waa .not one person in all the
Sta tes which composed the Cisalpine Republic,
fit to be entrusted .with, the Government of
that country, and that, therefore, he would
take it upon himself. He was, he confess
ed, seriously alarmed at :this mode of reasoning
which -the Chief Consul had adopted ; because, if
we submitted to this incroachment, it was impos-
sible to say that he might not, at a future period,
apply it to this Country, and graciously condescend
to take us-under his protedion. The Chief Consul ,
then returned to Paris, after paring made himself
President of the Italian Republic, annexed all that
rich Country to France, and converted it into Can-
tonments for French Troops. Eut this was not all,
he had also acquired the whole of the island, of El-
ba : that Island was, by the Tteaty of Luneville,
to be annexed to the Dutchy of Tuscany, andim.
mediately after he stipulated for the possesSion of
Porto Ferrajo. Mother point to which he' must
call the attention of the House, was, that France
had, by another, Treat, acquired a very consider-
able territory on the Banks of the Mississippi,. and
had acquired the -means of supplying her. West In-
dia Islands independent of this Country. He did
not mean, now, to ask in what situation we stood,
with relation to the President cf the Italian Repub.
lie, whether.it was a relation of Peace or 'War, but
he could not help entering his protest against that
aft of fraud, ambition, and insoletice ; for, upon
this subject, he'tould use no otlict lanzuage, But

h Aia hore the Nehle Lord would explain to tile
Committee, and to the Country, how it happened,
that when we were discussing the preliminaries of
Peace, we thought we were giving Purto Ferrajo to
Tustany, when, in faEt, we were giving it to
France; and how it happened that when we
were giving back to France her West India Pis-
sessions, we did not know that she had acquired
possessions.in that quarter, which would render
her Colonies much More advantageous to her ?
He did, however, believe that the Ministers were,
at that time, themselves ignorant of these circum-
stances. If, however, instead of treating with
France in the natne.of her Allies, we had treated
with those Allies conjointly with her, it was im_
possible but we must haVe known' the relation in
which she stood to other Countries. If Ministers
had not taken the necessary means to inform them-
selves upon this subject, they were guilty of negli-
gence ; if they tlid ask the question, and got .no
satisfactory answer, they were .wrong suffering
the Country to he treated with such ilidigni!y.
He must now allude to another circumstance, which
formed a lamentable supplement to' what lie had
already stated, which was, that since 'the signing
of the Preliminaries, , a very large portion
,of the
French, Spanish, and Dutch Navies, h'ad sailed from
their Ports. It was trim, we had also sent a

large force to the Wrest Indies, but it was difficult
to guess what fleet the French thought they could
have to contend against, in- which such a. force
would be necessary, unless it wai tlgaititit 'the fleet
of.this Conntry. It was undoubtedly true, that
France as well as every other State, :bad a right
to dispose of her force as she pleased ; but we. had
an equal rights to make representations upon the
subject, and .even to resist an Expeditionifit was
dangerous to us. In the year 1773, when there
was a -War between the. Russians'and Turks, and
when the former . had obtained some considerable
advantges id the Mediterranean, France fitted out
from Toulon, a Squadron of- observation- on the
Russian Fleet. Upon that occasion we
-remonstrated
with the Court of France, and said, that.. •if they
persisted, we would send out a Fleet of observation
on the French Fleet, and send out ship for ship with!
them ; the consequence of this was, that France re-
linquished her design. On7-the present 'occasion
we ought to have made a similar representation, and.
France would either, have listened' to: it, or: by re_.
fusing to do so, would have'shewn:her reahlisposi-
tion. It might be said, that France had no transports',
and was always in the habit of sending 'oat her
troops.in Ships of the 'Lire but it she bad no ton-

sports, surely she had interest enough with Spain
and Holland to procure them ; indeed it would have
even been more satisfactory, if we had furnished
her with transports ourselves, provided we were
convinced of the propriety of the expedition,—
These were shortly his reasons for voting for a
continuanceof our large establishments, The el-
le& of this.contiu& on the part, of France was, to
make us keep a very large forco,•in the mean time
trade was suspended, and we were left in a situation
_ _

in which we could neither obtain the advantages of
war nor enjoy the blessings of peace. Under time
,circumstances be could not but approve of the plan
of keeping up a large force, and he trusted, that
Ministers would display vigour and firmness in
maintaining the interests and dignity of the country.

'Lord 11,4 TYKES BURY said, that having listened
attentively to all the observations.of the Hon. Gentl-
eman, he could not but observe, that however-proper
those observations might' be upon another occalion,
they were introduced very much out of tiine.at pre-
sent, because the Hon. Gentleman had made no objec7
. _ _ _

don to -the Motion before the Committee. lie was
pettedly ready to agree with the Hon. Gentleman,
that for all the measures which Ministers had adopt-
ed since the signing of the Preliminaries,- they were
responsible to the House and to .the Country ; aird
he hoped the Committee would do him the justice
to believe, that when the proper occasion should
arrive, the Ministers-would not withhold from the
Houk any necessary' information upon every part
of the subjea, nor would they shrink from the full-
est investigation of their conduit, but would be
found willing to give the fullest-explanation of the
whole of their condua from the beginning to the
moment of the discussion. Having said thus-Much;
he was convinced that the Committee would con-
cur with him in thinking that the present -was not,
the proper moment for him to enter into a discus-
sion upon the subjeas alluded to by the Hon. Gen-
tleman, however important they might be, or. what-
ever weight they might have on the minds of those
who conduded the affairs of the Country. He was
willing to admit that if the Negotiation for -a De-
finitive Treaty was protracted for an extraordinary
length of time, attended with all the incunveniencics
which must necessarily attend a protraded Negotia-
tion,Parliament had an undoubted right toicquireand
expect some explanation. He was ready toradmit,
that the inconveniences that attended a protracted
Negotiation were very serious, even if it were not
protracted to a greater length- than the present one.
But if any Gentleman would consider the great va-
riety of interests that were-to be discussed in the
present Negotiation, and the great number of points
that must necessarily dome under consideration, fie
would not think this Negotiation had continued to
an- extraordinary length. The first criterion to
judge it by was, to compare it to 'former Negotia-
dons, and if that criterion was adopted, he did not
think any Gentleman would be justified in saying,
that this Negotiation had been protracted to ari un-
usual period. l- the last Negotiation in 1783,
when there we;e comparatively but few points to
discuss, the Preliminaries were signed in January,
and the Definitive Treaty was not signed-till Sep-
tember. He stated this, to shew that-the period
which had elapsed on the present Sccasion; was not
such as to warrant a Parliamentary Interference.
Majesty's Ministers might surely be sup-
posed to ft el as great an- anxiety for the ter-
mination of this Negotiation as any other persons
in the Country ; and therefore, he wished to
state distinetly; that no means had been wrnitted,
nor would be omitted, to bring the Negotiation to
a successful termination 'as soon as possible. Hay-
ing stated thus much, the Committee would not ex.,

pea 116, he was sure, .to enter
into a
upon all the points of the Hon. Gentleman's 4-;itei
being perfectly ready, hebefore stated, O.emi,
into the fullest investigation of theicondnet 000,
nisters when the proper season arrived• The„filis
Gentleman had thought proper,' in. the Course ;it!'
'Speed', to make a personal allusion to binlc of
respea to his having signed the Prelitninar'siat,
Peace. Upon that subjed he could state
est sincerity, that whatever the result of that eiviol
might. bd,.he should never regret the share he
. ha that transaaion, which he should'always olltracoc
was creditable to this Cciuntry,.and gave to gurlie,,
the only chance for a long continuance of Pead,si
Gentlemen might talk of the bad consequenees4er,f
Peace, but he begged they would also consl,-fij.
what might be the bad-consequ&ces of a Sitafi
that, before they decided, they would' balance `ii'd
the gr
inconveniences. of both together. The experilli
of-Peace', Was, •at least, as vise as the enerilo-10
of continuing. the War. He. was not aware t
there .were any other part of the Hon. Gentlelii
speech that called for explanation, which be COtio",
with any propriety, at present, At thel,tol.
per opportubity neither he, nor any of his
leagues would, he was sure, shrink from the

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cussion. 'GO
. -
Mr. CORNWALLIS said, that the Horo
A
flea= who had spoken first in ihiS:debate, 11"-
larged considerably upon the situation both of ',or,
Country and of France; but more particularlyit
that expedition which had sailed_ from the differ;p,
ports of France. With regard to .that exnewli:ire
there were no *reasons before the House to
them to suppose that it had not a fair objed,ll`°::'s
perhaps it migiit.not be proper for His
'Ministers Co state every thing within their 10°.
tllc
ledge upon .the subjea ; but even supposing tha-,ecli
expedition had sailed with a hostile intention, g"100
he really did not believe, still there was not a
least ground for apprehension, because we 191.c1i
farce more than sufficient to resist any attack
they might be inclined to make, and our fleets bs'° A
in that case be enabled to meet. them .in the °Teif
sea, instead,of being employed:for years in"hers,",counting the French fleet :in the harbour of Br',
If, therefore, he was-a friend to -the continuanceti
the War, which he really was not; the sailitlri,
that fleet would be to him a matter .rither of
faCtion than regret ; there Was no ground to s'rot
pose, that Ministers had not adOpted, and were,'•
Lli
now adOpting every 'measure preeantion
prudence and the situation of.4lFairs could sugge-,15;
and, therefore, far one, •he saw 'no .ground for
to him,
alltaidmidunthappear
the tion. Gentleman had exl-4.e5.,L1,1
occurred since the signing. of the Pretonioary Pot,
ticleS of Peace, that could justify us in ei'lef
taming these suspicions of the good faith
the Government Of Fraoce Which the +lon. Grer,
tleman seemed to entertain.;. if, however, o°'''ia
tunattly, we should fail in our eriaaVours to ohoof
Peace, he hoped there were but little groutidso
apprehension-a our success .in the renewal Of
contest. Nobody could Idok at the charader to
that any thing 1,1,,
Noble Earl who presided at the Board of Achon,
without feeling the same confidence, that his iu i;
ment in dire4ing'..the Naval Force th' CUkillitge
would be as conspicuous, as his- skill and
had been When affively engaged. 4.had bee," ',`'
that the present Negoiiation had been protoc'ef se-
soch a length, as to-afford' grounds for the m', ryas
rious alarm ; but he begged- to observe, 'that it 00,
now but a few months since the different plcr'if i•
tertiaries had met to settle.the terms of the
tive Treaty,. In the Treaty of-Ufrecht, the t,
employed in Negotiation was considerably
It had been said, that the Mercantile Intere-s.
this Country were extremely anxious that th„r
finitive Treaty should be settled, but it wool° 1.0
be denied that the Merchants of Great Britaiotv,c,of
fully as anxious at 'the 'time of the 'Treat)
UtrechL The same-observations applied with eire,
force to the Treaty of Aix la Chapelle ;-he ti'ijif
fore could not sit down without again expressitlor
decided opinion, that there was Ito ground fore)
alarm which bad been expressed; 'because we h',lo
proper force, either to give effect to theeg,oti'lri; .N
or, if it should unfortunately be necessary, to ';
on the contest with vigour.
the
Mr.,WINDHAM said, he highly applauded
condua of-his Hon. Friends in calling the at te ''oo3
of the House to this important subject. 1.1e40 '
weighed it much in, his mind; where some CO'l"si,
had taken :place between the duty- which ha c(111
dered that owed to the Country, and 5-it, `f 1.
;
not ,to be instrumental disclosing that wh-c,t,is
might be- thought necessary ;o conceal. 11
subje't was made the object of debate, without ‘l,,
YIP
specific Motion- relative to it, His Majesty's bar,
nisters might take what part in it they pleased'
if a motion had been brought forward expressly to,
lating to it, then they might have been inducolea
declare themselves, and,something might have l!alig
disclosed which, upon' its getiing abroad, 51/fte,
highly injure the Negotiation,at Amiens, and 11"005
rially impede its progress. These coniitleotiotv
restrained him and his Hon. Friends, but 00: 00 1
could look at the subject without feeling it to ric to'
important duty to call the attention of the House
at
it. If the' Preliminary Treaty, as was state(„o,
the time of its being made, embraced every silij
lation upon the 'subject, then the time etoPl°seg•
since that period must be time lost ; but tlic'e3",
volt
of thedehly were not knoWn ; it might be Oa 05)
able. The Hon. Gentleman (Mr.CoßNwl.l'fre,
had said, that nothing had happened since the
age(,
liminary Treaty to alter the state of it, aoaijatl,
tion which-was, he thought, so obviously tllt°l,ing
ed, as scarcely .to need repetition. What I o°' die
happened, when so much had happened as:,to 5e
„t
oil
Preliminary Treaty entirely aside, if either jay
chose to take adVantage of it ; when (Treat an'
portant changes had taken place,. to which ttleotaef
liminary Treaty did not apply, and when
`;rages
events bad happened, calculated to produce e'0,056
which must determine the nature and effed 01- l il;e
Preliminary Articles. He wished now to casoi,le
attention of the House to, the exposition of the
Lord, of the three. things necessary to the it'ld.tV
of a TJelity, namely, the time, the ECM* -2

. ,
'
; {tine i as to the tittle,
it .was pot fit ; the terms
Were for the greater part not fit ; and, unfortunate-
-IY, in these particulars, we were much on the wrong
side. He suppoSed he must look for the tone in the
spirit of the Government we treated with, and he
agreed with his Honourable -Friend,that the. spirit
Was far superior to the letter. But the more we
„.,
relied upon the spirit of the Governotenr we treat-
-0 with, 'the more deplorable must be our con_
dition, if' the faa was, • that there as'a deter-.
mined spirit of hostility, and that the continued
Purpose and aim of that Government was- to
h Couti
-
destroy the -greatness and prosperity
of. t
1 testY. ' There might be assurances o
ffriendship ia
and
peace, but let the condud of our Adversary be ex-
' Zmined, and it must be too evident to be disputed,
that it was the settled purpose of France to.subyett
. ' the greatness of this Country. When a Prelim-
nary se
Treaty was made, it had
s been the
1
fraaice that hostilities should cease;that both par_
ties should stand still, and that neither should do
any thing to the injury of the other. In the case
°lt Truce relative to Besieged Towns, a stop was
Pit to the effusion of human blood, and the opera_
• Cons on each side were Suspended : the liesieo
Vete not allowed to make new works, nor the
ee:
xieged to repair the old ones. The
case . was
two aa
ly similar with respea to a Treaty between
countries. It was to be observed, however, that
there were two orders of circumstances which. afa
_ fea.ed Treaties ; the one, those events which hap.
Paned subsequent to the conclusion of the TreatY;
the other, those which happened previous' to that
Period, hut which were not known till afterwards.
These latter circumstances either party; but if any might not be known to
afi'ea the articles of that Treaty, was known to oee
Treaty
circumstance, calculated to
party, andm
the concealed the time of making the
fro other, at it was undoubtedly a fraud,
and must set aside that Treaty.
The Treaty might
he affected in this way from the nature of the Asti-
ties themselves i if any articulaz Island or C
vas ceded, the Article consaininithat cession was
`'efttlite and certain b the were her Arti
I),f_ a more indefinite nutature.re Thus ot ,
for instance,
Delthe Article which euaranteed those Territories and
nons which constituted the integrity of Por-
' fugal—if it was found that at the period of making
the l''sliminary Treaty, another Treaty had been
concluded which altered the integrity of Portugal
that was meant to be guaranteed, and which Treaty- .
was not Communicated to this Country at the time
tat concluding the Preliminary Treaty; then surely
. ? ‘.
the House must think,that a Preliminary rteary
thus concluded could
not be acted upon without dis-
honour•.. ~...
• His Hon. Friend had done no more than
)14 duty, in calling the —attention
ta.f the House to
, . the situation of
„Ought the Country : what had been dune
tie , to he stated fairly, ; what was to be done,
another questiOn : and whether it was 'p
301ro-
per or not
to take any upon this sub-
, he measure
the House
was not disposed to say, but. , ,
tr'Wilt to have the whole situation_ of the Lout
be
Dose before io Whether any step was to b
ta ,
~:
y
could ' be considered ; but if the
not now
'f they
kuse would not consider the stibjeEt—r Would not decide upon
.those steps which ought to
be t k • • • v the subleet with an
la ens-eof they, would view
the, y' whi;ch seemed to hit fatally to prevails--..-if
--ey ''''''''uld cooperate with, and sanaion measures
'without a t squisite discussion—if they
I
would gis on
Vvilth-a kind of blindness which he could only corn.
e; to the judicial blindness nientioned in Holy
b Writ then the existence of the Country could only
e e'tiln"t•ed by months. lee them look. . at the
State
°I. Europe---there were only two
.P
• owers re-
-111;16'
i v ;Ing, Austria
.and Russia ; all the rest were
se'ea"wed up by the" power of France, and he
early saw tbit this Country would only be left
tube the last devoured. kwas evidently the put--
Pose of France to aim at universal empire—it was
Pose their intention to destroy the Commerce
of this C=ountry. He would not take up the tithe
of. the Committee further upon the subjed nOw,
fretremestances were continually arising out of it, to
~'e occasion to new discussions, and he thought
115 Hun. to new
had very fairly brought the sub_
Jeti before the House.
al Mr' 13.4 KER said, irwas difficult to decide wile.ier this Country Was at present in a state of Peace
or War. 'rise Noble
sabserved Lord (HAwrasßrlßY) had
Lyon the greater delay which took
to c.onolucling place
other bTreaties • but this case must
be judged according to • . ' At
i the time the Prelim-1i its own circumstances..
l' to the sary Treat • Treaty was communicated
House, he
• ith
th'e terms
. was not perfealy satisfied with
, yet lie agreed that this Countiy ought
. ,to,adhere to tile Art .
was our duty,'
PallY. He ir i ieles of that Treaty ; but •if it
it was equally the duty of the other,
b ,
oie not say that any measure ought to
e omen in
consequence of the conduit eptsinced on
the othe '•.
(311 r side, but he would maintain, that if this
ahe nttY vtots called upon to adhere to the Treaty,
lie ,°hig,ation vvas equally binding upon France. -
• 40' ‘lid not call upon His Majesty's Ministers for _
s. Y. disclosure, the responsibility rested with them,
-
an they must explain their conduCt when the period
lved at which they were called upon for that
Purpose.
i'
1.40 rd CASTLEREAGH said, he thought it of
41 Portance that ' ' • 'of blame should go-
.,
no impurotion
4brosa •
. . against His Majesty's Ministers, as arising
. tut of the present discussion, He thought, how-
/
ever, that too
fc)rv, , . . sanguine a hope ought not to
. esas-ur eucoura ). be
d of the successful termination
li ti the Negotiatiol'ethe Public be
Pared .0 in. .
.n ; ought. to ire_
teas ~. -et, in a manly manner, its failure. He
.u.: et opinion, with .respet•t to what had been,
t:fgeal. relative to the West Indies, that the condua
Soundls Country had been founded upon the rules of
I' o.oti;, Policy. It had been imined - that events
ther', take place, in consequence of the sailing
e"ner of the French Fleet, highly injurious to the
stelterests of this mountry. It was impossible to
t, Y that such events might not happen, but if ano-
: 21er view was taken of the subjea, there would
t Pl'ear no ground whatever for alarm. Every one
, thewkae that it was the policy of France to derive all
t_
1 advantage she could from her Colonies.—Her
v`co gieat Colonies, were St. -
' 'ui%e, th Domingo and Guada-
i e former contained a population of 120/aOO

kisetlie latter of 86,66,6; 16.01 i small pre:
portion of Whites. Sr. Domingo it was well
knownwas under the Government of the Blacks.-z,
it had been urged, that a large foree had been sent
out by France, bin could the force sent out be deem:
.ed large, when it was considered that the Colony was
in a hostile state, and that it was necessarily the ob-
jeCt of France to restore it to the government of the
Mother Country ? We were well acquainted With
the operation of an European force in St. Domingo,
and must be aware that 30,000 men, ,which was the
extent of the force sent out by France, was not dis-
proportionate to the object that was to be<aitained,
if that force was to be met by an hostikOpposition;
and even if it was not, still, when the extent of
St. Domingo was considered, and the number•of
garrisons which would be required, the force which
.was sent out was not of disproportionate magnitude.
It appeared to him, that it could not have been the
policy of this Country to have objetied to the
sailing of the Expedition from France. This . twist
be apparent, if we looked to the state of the French
Colonies, as it must be equally the-policy of this
Country as of France, that those Colonies should
be subjected to their, former Government. Bu.t it
- had been said, why suffer so many Ships of the
Line to go out ; if 30,D00 men were necessary,
these ships were not ? This, if any event did take
place, as had been prediaed by some Gentlemen,
would be undoubtedly for the advantage of this
Country, as it would be then easily found at a dis-
tance from its own Ports. He did not see that the
occasion called for the discussion of those abstra&
questions which had been raised, and which might
tend to embarrass the operations of His Majesty's.
Ministers, and td commit the House with. respeft
to the Definitive Treaty. He also thought that a
delicacy ought to be observed in commenting upon
those Treaties which affeded other Powers. It was
not proper that observations shoull go abroad upon
such TrCaties, until the Ncision of those States was
known, upon the subject in which their own secu.:
tit), and safety might be involved, and how far they
considered themselves to be affe6ted by those Trea-
ties. He thought it was the duty of the House to
inculcate to the Public, that they ought not to form
too sanguine expthatiotts. of success in the Negotia-
tion ; ,but that on the other hand, they ought- not
to sink into despondency, and give up all; hopes of
success. Let them form a calM and rational hOi)e
of success, but let them at the same time be pre-
pared for disappointment ; let them be prepared
to meet that disappointment in a firm and manly
manner, and to adopt those measures which the
urgency of affairs might then require ; let them be
prepared for either alternative, and await calmly
the result: There was no reason to believe that
His Majesty's Ministers would wantonly renew
hostilities ; but on the other hand, there was no
reason to believe that 'they would sacrifice the Ho.
nour of the Country merely to obtain Peace. He
considered it necessary to make- thek observationS,
as he thought His Majesty's Ministers had been
unjustly charged with ,ring contrary to 'the dic-
taws of sound policy ; and as he thought that the
public mind ought to• be kept as clear as possible,
from a too 'confident expedatiOn on the one hand,
and despondency on the other.

Dr. LAWRENCE said, that the Noble Lor'd;
and every Gentleman who had spoken on the same
side, •had completely misunderstood, and cense.
quently misrepresented, the Speech of his Hon.
Friend. The Noble Lord (Lord .1-lAwKEsuultr)
had replied to his Hon. Friend, as if Iris Hon.-Friend
had complained_ of the delay which had taken place
in the Negotiation. His lion. Friemi had inade no
such complaint, and though ".a considerable delay
had take'n' place, notwithstanding that, on the part
of this Country, evert .species of entreaty and- even
prostration [Dr. LAWRENCE was called to or-
der by)
bird HAWKESBURY, who observed, that the
Hon. Gentleman had certainly a right to make any
observations which he thought fit upon the conduit
of His Majesty's Ministers, but he had no right to
say that this Country had made use of entreaty or
prostration in the Negotiation, when it was impos-
sible he could have any information relative to the ,
subject.

Dr. LAWRENCE proceeded :—he only intend--
ed, he said, to argue hypothetically, that such was
the inference which might be drawn. Neither his
Hon. Friend nor himself, however, objefted to the
delay ; he thought it a favourable symptom on the
part c.f. His Majesty's Ministers, as it tended to
prove that every. thing was not abandoned, but that
something yet remained as a matter of discussion :
so far he approved of the delay, and wished it
might be still longer, as additional security to
this Country might result from it. The Noble ,
Lord had alluded to other Treaties, but it
should be recolletied that this was wholly different
from former Treaties : in those, some basis was
establis,hed as to the rights of other Countries, 'as
well as this ; but in the present, no whatever
was ,established—all former Treaties were passed.
by, and no foundation whatever was laid for the
present. His Hon. Friend had therefore, with a
proper degree of , jealousy,. called the attention of
thq House to this subje6t, when those Supplies were
brought for Ward which were interwoven with it,
and which it was impossible to vote as .a matter of
course. The Noble Lord (HAwaEsaußy) had
said, he should be ready, to give every requisite
explanation at the proper time—there was no doubt
of that, as at that time the Noble Lord must be
ready. The Noble Lord (CASTLEREAGH) had
drawn a consolation from the French Expedition to
the West Indies, which his mind could not acknow-
ledge—he could, not see that any security, was to
be derived to us from any effect that could arise
from the operations of that Force. The Noble Lord -
had observed,- however, that in case of any event'
happening, their Fleet would easily be found ;* if
this was to be a consolation, why was the French
Fleet blockaded in Brest in , the course of the
War, instead of being suffered to sail? It was
now found to be " an advantage that they should
sail; but at the period he alluded to, not even
a small detachment was suffered to sail from

ffirbinir; beds much Hanle then Was due in
,
those' Ministers who refused to perrnit any part of
that Fleet to quit its port; when the sailing of the
a hole must have been advantageous tOthiS Coun-
try ?,, It seemed now, however; to be -forgotten,
that this Fleet might do considerable mischief in the
West Indies before. we could operate against them ;_
at any rate, the consideration was a very poor one,.
and not much deserving the attention of the Houk;
He ,did not wish to go much at length into the dis-
cussion of the Treaty, by. which Louisiana was'
ceded, to France, -only so sfor as it added to the
power of that Country : look at the Colossus with,
one fhot upon Amazonia and the:other upon the
Mississippi—look at it again, and see it read j• to
stretch out its hand to seize the West India Islands.
If they looked nearer home, the Isle of Elba pre,
sented itself an instance of fraud on the part of
France which ought to have set aside the Treaty.
Another instanee was Lobe found in the circumstance
of the Italian Republic, this Ijad hi, heft° been called
the Cisalpine Republic, which was in flid only ano-
ther name for cisalpine Gaul, but now that the
First Consul of France was declared its, President,
it had assumed the name of the Italian Republic,
pointing, by its title, to the dominion of all Italy.
With this Republic it seemed to be a matter of un.
certainty whether we were at Peace or War : no
stipulation had been made respeCting it, nor was it
included in the Treaty, though one of the Allies of
France. This Republic formed an instanse of the
never-ceasing ambition of France, a subject to
which the attention of the Committee ought not to
be called in vain. He trusted His Majest)''s Mini-
sters would exercise every care for the interests and
honour of this Country ; the old System of Europe
wt 4 broken to pieces, and new relatisns and new
ties'imist be formed. They could not proceed too
'cautiously so iMportant a Negotiation, and they
ought to give that information to Parliament which
would enable that House to form a deliberate
judgment of what ought to be done to ensure the
welfare of the Country. They ought to request
the advice, of that deliberative body to whom
were entrusted the interests of the Nation, and
who must decide eventually how far the ter-
mination of this Negotiation was calculated to
promote thOse interests. • If, however, His Ma-
testy Ministers would not bring the subjed before
that House , for 'Mature deliberation, he thought
that even a longer delay ought to be allowed them
for the deliberate discussion of so important a sub-
jed. He did not wish 'to make any Motion upon
this subject ; but the Sop-plies might be voted for
even a longer time than was now proposed, in order
that Ministers might have all that time which sd
portant aNegotiation required for its cotnpletion.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL said, that leaving
the Honourable Member who spoke last to recon-
cile his consistency as he might, in a speech which to
his:understanding,in very distind and very:audible
terms, conveyed an intimation, that the .Members
of AdminiStiation were likely .to employ the two,
monthS for which the Supplies were about to be
voted in measures of humility and degradations---
tHere DodOr LA'WRENCE' interposed, and said,
that as he had already explained to the Committee
the: sense in which he intended his words, he sub-
mitted, it was.not regular in any lion, Mt:ltiber to
take them in any other.) •
The,ATT6R-Nex GENERAL then proceeded he
said, the Honourable Gentleman has a right to
annex..Lis own sense to his own words, but I do
not know of any rule of Parliament, or order
of Debate which precludes me from annexing my
sense and toy meaning to what I bear ; I know no
;reasons why I inn to sacrifice the clear evidence of
the organs of my senses, as a compliment to what
.may be stated by any other Member to be the ul-
terior sense in which he wishes his words to be
`taken. I say then, that I shall leave him to settle
the .account for his consistency, as
.he may, when
.he says„ that Administration have merited his esteem
by the Negotiation hitherto, and yet,' that if it be
concluded in Peace, as it' began,. it will • seal the
doom of his Country—and it is evident they will
please him, if they bring the Negotiation to a rup-
ture. trust, that they will proceed Snider the
same system of Management as they have hitherto
done ; they do- not, I shall not ' be anxious to
participate with them in the fruits of their con_
duct, in adopting the counsel of the Hon; Mem-
ber ; they shall have his applause confined entirely
to' themselves. It does indeed seem to, me that
the manner in which this Debate has been conducted
leads to no useful conclusion ; nor has it been held up
by Gentlemen on the other side, to any sound-Par-
liamentary purpose; as the Hon. Gentleman, and
those who are with-him, seem to think. -They say,
that the . Administration of this Country have
detected fraud on the part of the persons with
whom they are negotiating, and that such condud
on the crthei side puts an end to the engagement on
our part. 'That may be the sense theSe Gentle-
men entertain of the transactions of the Negotia-
don between this •Country and France ; but this I
know, if it be, they have a manly chity to discharge.
The HO. Gentleman Who spoke last; from the par-
ticular turn of his expression, has a'rnnnly duty to
discharge, and that duty
.ought to' find a manly
spirit to perform it, by moving an Address to
His Majesty, to recall from Amiens the Mini..
ster who has so humiliated his Country, as by this
Negotiation he thinks it has been
He ought to make some specific Motion on the
subjed, that we may know what to do, instead
of thus beating the air in vain. I think this
mode of taking up this important subject, by piece-
meal, very improper, and may be attended with
serious inconveniences, and,
,therefore, depreCate
this sort of proceeding., 'Why these irregular
discontents in this Hoitse, These loud complaints,
without propositions to remove them, these ex-
pedoratitins, instead of clear expressions of discon-
tent ? ' Why not come forward in a manly mariner
to the Hattie, and afford the House an opportunity
of manifesting its .patriotic feeling upon the sub-
ject, by T.:jet:ling the Motion, as I appiehend it
would,. and setting the matter at rest? Indeed I
do hope that this viciouo practice of speaking upon

•
a stihiret. withatit Intending to prciii6§e a pralcal
concinsion, upun a iubjeCt so delicate ;!S. that Of a
pending NegdthitiOn, wild be discontintied j it tray
increase to an enormous size of inconvenience by
indulgence. I airs dot speaking lightly of Parlia:
mental.), duty; it is a Parliamentary dUty to disctiss
and advise upon, and adopt or tele& public measures;
but.nOt by abortiveand 'captious objections to try
to mar them, fo- by that praCtice, if it be in-
,chilged, the mischief may beeothe incak-olable.., It
has been said; that we are now rejoicing the Fleet
of France has got out of port, and that thiS is ilery
inconsistent with otir trittmpli at having kept therti
in their.. ports, as it were -hernietitally sealed tip:
I own I see none.of the inconsistency Which is lira:puted to us for feeling triumph at both these events;
We are not now involved in the Sande situation we
were ins k the time the Shipi of France were
bloCkaded in their ports. Ai that 'tittle our situation
in part of our dominionS at • hortie, was .:
Most criti
cal, it was, then indeed oh. iously our interest W
keep the. French Fleet hi the ports of France,
when, if they, came our, they Might. have lighted
on a disorganized Country, and have made it more
difficult than it WAS; to restore it to obedience to
the legitiniate authority of its Goverrimeni it was
therefore iidportant then; to keep the Freneh Naval
force in its ports; and we kept it there. It has since
sailed; I do nut mean to say that the sailing of
that Fleet to the West Indies; May not be accom-
panied with some evils, bUt I say they are there to
be met, ;f necessary, and a force is provided to
meet them, under the auspicious care of him who is
equally 'qualified fur Council in the Cabinet tha
Command at sea; that the French Fleet, Shotild it
attempt any thing hostile to our interests; is
in a situation and part of the' world, where
we have nothing to fear=--in a situation in,
which, as a- Briton, I should be prOud to hear
,they met, if that, were neceSsary. If we Must. con
test, I should be glad that the aditersary should put
himself in a tangible fdrin; and meet us upon the
Element on which the glory of Great Britain hair
been so often and So signally displayed. I will-not
go Over, ,at great length, the terms of various
Treaties between various Naticlng i--Not` will I
unfold \every map, nor dhst every doCunierit .pub_
fished on State Affairs for centuries, nor trouble the
House with crude observations upon theM
.; I will
be content with saying, the 'Rothe has no reason to
believe that Ministers will put up with any National
Indign.s . They may appeal to the House for are..
dit upon that subject, and appeal to this 1-mouse and
the Country upon their condua, in the last ,Peril in
whiCh we were placed by the perverseness of different
Powers, and opposed by alitiOst,the Whale farce of the
Maritime PoweroftheTest Of the. veorld.. They ap...
peared to be almost all againit its; under the assumed
title of the " Armed Neutrality,;" upon which our
Ministers diSplayed a fOrti tide; afirmness; a courage;
arid a wisdom, which is most honourable to our Na-
tional Charaeter :., but theSe things are so well fast_.
eried.an the memory .of the-House,that it is neediest
lot me to detail any of the partictilard; If, in the
ednise of thiS Negotiation; we should lie disap-
pointed, which I do ti.ot assume; hilt the contrary;
as I mist •and hope r but; -if we r„hotild be
painted, it will be met with, and tesisted by d
prop:7l itiirit—rtOt a thikei-/.4.,;van Spirit: The Mi.:
nesters have none such—the Country produces none
stichWhere are they to be Met /with Does the
Hon. •Member who spoke lait; see' then; anywherei
Does he see any sdch in'the refieetion of a Mirror
—l. know. not where to find, any seper4itimati
spirit-4 MA to Ministers for rid stiper.:hurnati
poWer But whatever Can be. aeCorntliined by in-,
.tegrity, by 'political knowledge, by zeal for the
public welfare; by perseverance iri tht t)tirs6it Of
by amentite devotion ot,-every itetilty they passes's;
to the public service; I kink kir, and confidently
trust to see effeCted by his Majesty's INiliniiters; and
I think they are entitled to expert the same degree
of confidence from every person .whti his candidly
consideied the measures they have hitherici
sued.

Mr. ailCiT said a few • lvotds in eplanaticiN
but which we could not distinaly hear.

The following Resoltitions were then read by
the Chairman, and agreed to That the sum of
" 309,5771: be voted for the service of the gegurar
in Great Britain. _ _

" ti 0,4231. for the Regular Artily in Ireland.. .
" 386,6511. for the Forces in the. Plintations;• including
those in Gibraltar, Malta, Minoica, Egypt,' add New South
. _ . 2.

. .
.. ..
, . . .
" 6301. for four Troopsof Dragoons: add seventeen Com-
panics of FoOt; s,uppotted in Great Britain for recruiting thi
Force in the Eastlndids.
". 41,1891. for the Fencible Corps in Great Britain,,, 46131; for, the Fencibrc Corps in Ireland. '
" 99,, 641. for. the, FSarrack Departhient in Great Britain.
" 59,3071. for thd Barrack Detlartment ift Ireland.
" 7),,i 11. for the iupport of the Foreign Cops in thei
servit. +cf Greai Britain."

After which the House resumed; ond the Report
was ordeied received to4oriow.

Agreed to go frit°. another Cothmittee of Supply
on Friday: •
The House their revived itself into a Committee
of Ways and Mean
•

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said; that whatever difference of opinion might
subsist on other modes of raising money for the pub..
lic service; he was persuader( it would be the opinion
of the ccunmittee; under the present circumstance's
of this Country (without saying any thing now of
of any conttaft for a Loan for the public service or
the year) that the best &ode or prOceeding foi the
present was to make a Loan on. Exchequer Eilks. to
a liinfted amount; and, therefore he Moved, ‘i That
it .is the °pinky?), of this Comrnittee that toWards
raising a Supply grarited to flis Majesty
,the sum of
One Million be raised by way of Loan on ache-
citiet Bills,"—which Motion was put and carried.
The Ctiis.yro I L. f.cei of the ExcgOiltrt' soon after
appeided. at the Bar, with certain Papers; contain,'
ing an Account,' lheWittg the ArhOunt of Pensions
granted' on the Civil List in the several years there
under.rnentio?fid ;. distinguished under the Head's' of
Pensions late Ministers 614 Fofdlik'n Courts; Cons:
pensation fni Losses of OfEees; arc.` compared
With Uttim'ates laid btfoid Polian*nt; and which