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erciing it in Ireland. He agreed with the Hon. Mem-
ber for Manchester (Mr. M. Gibson) that the Lord-
Lieutenant of Ireland should have enforced the law
against the Roman Catholic bishops of Ireland, when
they assumed undue titles, as such was evident from the
address presented to the Lord-Lieutenant in 1847, in
which were such signatures as John, Archbishop of
Tuam, end John, Bi4hop of Clonfert. Though he might
admit that the Archbishop of Tuam might be.in sonie.
degreeljneitiable, Tethe shou:d say thit JOhn 'Clonfert
had no tigh't- to claim to it“tthie Such a title 6. At "the
541 De tim., he shi.uld say. that the blame was not's°
-lunch-to- be -attributed tii those who assumed such titles,
as to the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland, who recognised
such an assumption by styling them " My Lord," and
" Your Grace," and, he added to that, that he would wish
to have their advice and opinion in the management of
Ireland. He asked the House to look to that point, for
it was on that quibble that such titles were claimed.
Might he not hlve courteously told these bishops, that
he could not rtceive such au address, thus signed, as it
was a violation of an Act of Parliament? Again, in

the Charitable Beque-ts Act, the Roman Catholic
bishops are allowed to hold rank; sad the Lord-
Lieutenant, in addition to that, wrote to the governors
of the colonies to allow such titles, and all this
through the influence of the Pope, aud, through such a
system, the archbishops of the Roman Catholic Church
were to have precedence at the levee of the Queen. He
did not wish to epeak of the Member for Manchester
(Mr. M. Gibson) as he was absent, but he should make
une remark with respect to his speech, namely, that he
(Mr. Whiteside) was astonished that that lion. Gentle.
man should recommend the Noble Lord (Lord J. Rus-
sell) not to mind the feelings of the people of this coun-
try. As to the Hon. Member for Athlone, he should
say that he did not expect that he would appeal to any-
thing but justice, and for that reason he was astonished
at his assertiun, when be stated that the passing of this
Bill would insure agitation for twenty years in Ireland,
and that nine-tenths of the people of that country were
of the same opinion; but he should say the 2,500,000
Protestants of that country were in favour of the mea-
sure.—(No, no.) Yes, the late Sir Robert Peel declared
in the House that there were 1,200,000 in Ulster; and
although Connaught had been lately laid waste, yet
there were still there some good Protestants who would
be with the people of Ulster in favour of the people of
England on this occasion. For these reasons he hoped
that his country would be guided by their counsel, obe-
dient to the laws, and inspired by their example.
Mr. KEOGH did not say there would be 20 years'
agitation. With regard to the words " drawing
swords," he considered that the Hon. and Learned gen-
tleman was rather severe, for the Noble Lord (Lord J.
Russell) had already admitted that those were used
metaphorically.
After a tew words from Mr. LAWLESS, in opposition
to the measure',
Mr. MOORE considered that the speech of the Hon.
and Leareed Member for Enniskillen (Mr. Whiteside)
had been a miserable failure. He wished that the
debate should be adjourned, to give every Member of
the House an opportunity of defending their repective
bishops, for the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had made
an onslaught, not only on the Roman Catholic bishops,
but on the Protestant bishops also; and for that reason
he thought that the Members for the Universities of Ox-
ford and Dublin should have an opportunity of express-
ing their opinion on such a charge. He considered that
the only- point the Hon. and Learned Gentleman made
was his attack on the late Attorney-General for Ireland.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that after three nights' de-
bate, and the mode in which petitions were brought fcr-
ward to delay the time of the House, he could not agree
to the adjourment of the debate, and should, therefore,
take the sense of the House.
Mr. REYNOLDS believed thatavhen the Noble Lord
(Lord J. Russell) adverted to the mode of presenting
petitions, that be alluded to - him.—(Divide, divide )
No, he would not allow a division till he was done; and
he, therefore, claimed the protection of the chair.—(Hear,hear.) In the early part of the evening he had presented
22 petitions from 22 Roman Catholic congregations, of
whom meetings were held on Sunday last, and on that
occasion no less than 1.500 meetings were held simulta-
neously in Raman Catholic chapels throughout Ireland
for the purpose of protesting and petitioning against this
measure. These petitions they were requested not to
present in globe, and he now told the Noble Lord that
when be had a petition to present, he would use the
right which the House allowed him of reading its title,
stating its contents, and reading the names of the signa-
tures attached to it. As regarded the adjournment of
the debate, he thought there was every reason why that
should be agreed to, as there were several Irish Mem-
bers who had not yet addressed the House on the sub-
ject.—(Hear and laughter.)
After a few words from Mr. O'FLAHERTY, the
House divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment
Against it
_ _ .

Majority against the adjournment --313
Mr. R. M. FOX then moved the adjournment of the
House.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that if he could understand
that Hon. Members really meant to conclude the debate,
and that they were not keeping it up for the mere pur-
pose of obstruction, he would not oppose a motion for
the adjournment of debate.—(`Hear, hear," from the
Irish Members.)

Tne debate was thereupon adjourned until to-morrow
(Friday).
The Valuation (Ireland—Salaries and Allowances)
Bill was passed through Committee.
The Lodging Houses Bill also passed through Com-
mittee.

The Audit of Railway Accounts (No. 2) Bill, the En-
franchisement of Copyholds (No. 2) Bill, and the St.
Alban's Bribery Commission 13111 were each read a
second time.

The Small Tenements Rating Act Amedment Bill
was read a third time and passed.
Mr. S. HERBERT having moved the nomination of
the Select Committee on the Passengers Act,
Mr. WAWN objected to the constitution of the Com-
mittee, and moved that the House do adjourn.
On the gallery being cleared for a division there were
found to be only thirty- four Members present, and an
adjournment consequently took place at a Quarter to
Two o'clock.

rARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

;From LI e Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons•)

THURSDAY, MAY 15.
ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ASSUMPTION BILL.
Order read for resuming adjourned Debate on Question
(9th May), "That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair."—
Question again proposed; Debate arising; Motion made, and
Question put, " That the Debate be now adjourned." The
House divided:—

MINORITY—AYES, 46.
Armstrong, Sir A. Hope, Alexander O'Flaherty, Antkony
Barron, Sir IL Howard, Sir R. Ponsonby, C. F.
Blake, M. J. Keating, Robert Power, Dr.
Blewitt, Reginald Keogh, William Power, Nicholas
Burke, Sir T. J. 31`Cullagh, W. T. Sadleir, John
'haler, P. S. Magan, W. H. Scully, Francis
Corbaily, M. E. Maher, N. smythe, George
Crawford, W. S. 31 eagher, Thomas Somers, J. P.
Devereux, John T. Mahon, O'Gorman Sullivan, Michael
buncombe, T. Moore, G. H. Talbot, J. H.
Fagan, James Morgan, H. K. Tenison, Edward K.
Fox, pollard M. Murphy, F. S. Young, Sir John
Fox, W. J. Norreys, Sir D.
Grace, u. D. Nugent, Sir Percy TELLIES.
Grattan, Henry O'Brien, John Lawless, Cecil
Greene, John O'Brien, Sir T. Reynolds, John
Higgins, George O'Connell, John