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reign. Now, if the Austrians had marched their troops
into Naples, then, I say, we might fairly have declared

war against Austria. But Austria has done no such thing.
We have said to King Bomba—as I think he is called in

derision —'

" You oppress your subjects; you must not do

so any more." Though I lament as much as any one that

there should be such an animal upon this earth as King
Rumba, yet between him and his people I think it is our

duty not to interfere. The moment any other Power in-
terferes, then we can step in. With our mighty fleet, thit

can copo with all the other fleets of tho earth, and our

could put down the Austrians, as we . . if
Wo have
the Russians
h, .
wisely guided, have put down
government, of a
good
been the friends 'of freedom, of
s to the consi-
deration army, of which nothing can be
might, if
_hilgvhe,
kw;
manity ; but if we had narrowed our mind
&ration simply of making
e should
hatnraering iron, and weaving cloth, I think w
Eng-
have boon a despicable people—not England filled by
friend and
hair-nen. (Cheers.) Upon this point my hon,
the
myself differ. I don't know whether he will take
sure
money, of spinning cotton, of
in-
terpretation I have given you of non.interference, but I am that we shall be called upon to make this applicationvery soon, for I believe that the world is now upon the eve
of great events. We live in great times. Talk about the
the
apathy
people of England. I saw them rise as one man in support
por
of the people of England, There is no apathy in
of thet
war. (Cheers.) I saw them rise as one man in sup •
of that gallant army we sent abroad. We welcomed
ttm3m back ---aY, with those heartfelt thanks which men so
worthily deserved at our hands. We are ilia position to send
forth our sons on a glorious mission, for no man will interfere
with us when we fulfil our destiny, and do not let any of our
sons at least disgrace England so far as to make her an
abettor of oppressi Olin any part of the world. (Cheers.)
That is my view.
my hon. colleague I most entirely agree with. With her
Aanerica, all that has been said by
I would be loth, more loth than with anybody else, to
enter into war ; but
Covene with her I would go to was if
she did an iejustice s. (Cheers.) It is not the tomato
mince matters, and I like straightforward speaking on all
occasions. There is at this moment, and I use an American
term, a filibustering spirit 'in America, and if that leads
them beyond their own boundary—if that leads them to
attack foreign nations—we, in the fulfilment of our non-
interference principle, should be bound to interfere also.
I saw that a war between England and America would be
almost the greatest calamity that mankind could suffer.
We have everything that can bind us to that nation—they
are of the same blood, they have the same language, they
have the same literature, laws, and institutions ; they are
bone of our bone, and flesh of our flesh ; they are English-
men on the other side of the Atlantic. But if they should
do an injustice, are we to stand by and see it done. (Cries
of " No.") No, England's great destiny makes her the
protector of mankind, and we should be derogating. from
our dignity if we allowed any nation, however great, how.
over nearly allied to us, to do aught that would bring dis-
credit on the great principles of humanity, if to ouldpre-,
vent it. I say, though I would have us bound America
by everything that can bind, though I would by every tie
unite us to her—and I would not interfere one iota in her
internal transactions, though Ilook with great sorrow upon
them—l will not even express in public my opinion on the
matter—yet rather than see hero ppress mankind, I would
oppose her, and oppose her to the death. (Cheers.) Isrow, I
will now pass on from foreign affairs, excepting one matter.
I will key one word, about diplomeY. I have said it fa tlie

duty of England not to interfere between a people and their
sovereign. In the internal affairs of other countries Eng-
land has nothing to do, and ought not, in my belief to
plant hired and salaried spies in every Court in Europe,
and call them ambassadors• That is not my phrase; I
merely accept,it as what I believe to be an accurate descrip-
tion of an ambassador: (Laughter.) I would have every-
thing above-board, for I know—l have seen it—that we
aro deceived into positions into which, if things were
known beforehand, we should never be in. (Cheers.) There_
fore, lam against all secret diplomacy. Franklin said that
he deceived everybody by telling the truth. (Cheers.) That
was his view of diplomacy; and if England, in the fulfil-
ment of the great duty that is upon her, did openly and
avowedly state what she was intended to do—if she sent
her ambassadors, with open instructions for the world to
know what she was endeavouring to be at, we need not
have planted over Europe and the world persons who are
said to represent England, but do not represent England.
They represent the bad parts of her policy. They do that
very accurately. They are very useful persons, but inju-
rious to England. I will pass to other matters in which
myself and my hon. colleague differ, and in which, as you
may suppose, he is in error. (Laughter.) The hon. gentle-
man then proceeded to discuss questions of a purely domes-
tic character, and

The meeting concluded with a vote of thanks to the
Chairman.

KOSSUTH AT STALYBRIDGE.

MANCHESTER, WEDNESDAY.
M. Kossuth went to Stalybridge to-day, and was
very warmly received by the inhabitants. On his
return to Manchester in the evening, his friends
assembled in great force in the Free Trade Hall, to
hear an address on the present complications with
the Neapolitan Government. The ox-governor
was loudly cheered by his political supporters, and
a strong muster of Hungarian and Italian " dis-
satisfied patriots" were present—special trains
having been run to convey them from all the neigh-
bouring towns.
The chair was taken at eight o'clock by Mr. G.
Wilson, who commenced the proceedings by ex-
pressing the great satisfaction he felt at seeing
Louis Kossuth coming forward at the present
crisis in the affairs of Europe. It was often asked
how it was that a foreigner like Kossuth, an exile,
without a country and almost without a home,
should excite so much sympathy wherever he ap-
peared in England. He had lived for five years
in comparative retirement. He had no newspaper
in which to expound his views, and no platform
from which he could utter his sentiments to the
people of England. And yet he evoked, wherever
he went, their warmest sympathies. The reason
of his popularity was to be attributed to the noble
stand which he had made to preserve the political
rights of his fellow-countrymen. It was because
Kossuth had uttered sentiments similar to those
used by Washington before the memorable sepa-
ration of the North American States from the
Crown of England that he was honoured and re-
spected in a land where free citizenship was the
birthright of all. It was true that they could not
restore Kossuth to his former position, but they
could offer to him, and to all men, a home when
pursued by despotism. (Cheers.)
M. KOSSUTII commenced by asserting that he
had never courted notoriety. If he had been born
in a country where the duties of a citizen might
have been confined to the tranquil fulfilment of a
peaceable daily obligation, following his own pro-
pensities, he would never have taken any conspicu-
ous part in politics ; but he was the son of an un-
happy country that required all the assistance of
her children. That which was the pride and glory
of Englishmen was an object of hatred to the
despotic Governments of Europe. They hated with
an implacable hatred a country where political
exiles could not only brave their hatred, but where
they could receive public honours such as no
despot, with all his power, could extort from his
subjects. (Cheers.) This sympathy was a good
patriotism, because it cemented the bonds of fra-
ternity between free and mighty England and those
continental countries which to-day were nothing,
but which to-morrow might be everything. The
just interference of England and France in the
affairs of Naples was ominous. Ho had often been
asked what was the meaning of royal congresses
and the presence of French and English fleets in
foreign waters? His answer was, "Woe to tlienations
when kings put theirheads together, and diplomatists
met in fond embrace." England, which Austria had
recently characterised as a "second-rate Power," was
acting in concert with Louis Napoleon ; and the
FrenchEmperorwas interfering merelyto prevent the
French people from pondering on their own affairs.
Would England, he asked, lend herself to such a
policy ? Revolutions were not possible where they
were not wanted. Englishmen might require
reforms, but they did not want a revolution.
With the French people the case was different.
Sprung like a toadstool from a pool of blood, the
ruler of France could take no root in the soil of
his country. His Government could have no
future, because there was no reason why it should
ever have existed. Revolution in France was a
question of time only. It could not be far remote
when the 3 per Cents. were at 66, while in 1848
they stood at 73. Louis Napoleon knew that
Italy was a volcano, and therefore his whole solici-
tude was turned to prevent an explosion. Hence
his desire for joint intervention with England.
But let the people of England take care that there
was no trifling with the destiny of unfortunate
nations. Having given a description of the rise
and fall of Sicily, once the garden of Europe, but
now the most miserable place within the pale of
Christendom, M. Kossuth proceeded to refer to the
insurrection of 1811, contending that Great
Britain, having once recognised the nationality of
the Sicilians, was bound either to follow the
policy of non-intervention with the Governments
of foreign nations, as laid down by Canning, or to
control, by her authority, any attempt to break
down the form of government which she had her-
self assisted to set up. Either of those courses
would be reasonable, but to paralyse the democratic
clr, fa people,. to swing them upon the rope of
and then to let them fall to the ground,
energiesdipioina
was trifling with the destiny of a nation. (Cheers.)
The object of the British Government, as repro
rented by Lord Palmerston, in the course it was
now pursuing, was to secure the peace of Europe,
endangered by the atrocious misrule of the King
But how was that object to be attained ?
Naples would sot the whole
oAf Naples.spark
kindled
at
Continent in a blaze. The ruler of France knew
that, and wanted intervention, to avert the catas-
trophe. But why should Groat Britain lend her
shoulder to support the tottering throne of Euro-
peantinental revolution. The throne
of her Sovereign rested upon the affections of her
tofea despotism
people, and not upon the personal safety of any
efsrpoomt i s
Continental
o ? (Cheers.) England had nothing
Hapsburg, Bourbon, or other Continental despot.
(Cheers.) Diplomatic relations were broken off
with the King of Naples, and vessels of war were
cruising off his coast to protect, it was said, the
lives and property of French and British subjects.
This might tai so, but he warned the People of
England how they lent themselves to the promo-
tion of French influence in the adjustment of the
Neapolitan difficulty. Ours was a great nation.
Its glory was raised upon the self-reliance of its
sons; but let it not, in the zenith of its fame in
the height of its moral and material grandeur,
descend to the leading-string of foreign influence
of Italy.
117. trifling with the destinies
M. Kossuth concluded amid loud applause.
A vote of thanks was passed to the chairman for
pie
• sidis, and the meeting separated at 10 o'clock.

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a
busi-
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n adjourned
Chamber,
despatch
sbpoaat
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twhaes hel
The oft-debated question as to whether the freehold
property of the board in Greek-street should be selected
as a site for the permanent offices, or whether a locale
should be elsewhere sought, was again renewed. One of
the speakers, Mr. Moulton, pithily stated that the only
ground which the advocates of another site than Greek-st.
could urge in favour of their views was that of private
convenience, and he asked the board to pause before they
saddled the ratepayers with an outlay of 20,0001. and a
rent of 4001. for such an object. The opponents of Greek-
street urged that the convenience of public business, as well
as that of the majority of the members, would be best
constetei by having an office in a more central position,
and that an additional expenditure of moderate amount
for the attainment of this would rather meet with the ap-
pie bation than the disapproval of the ratepaying public
These were the principal arguments addwied on each
side, and af,er a lengthy discussion the board adopted
the recomm ,ndation of the committ, e, which was " that
the committee be authorised to treat with the Corpora-
tion of the City of London for a portion of the site of the
former Fleet prison, in Farringdon.street, as a site for
offices of the board," by a large majority, on the motion
of Mr. See!ey, as against an amendment moved by Mr.
Wright, that the question be adjourned for six months.
THROWING OPEN SOUTHWARK AND WATERLOO BRIDGES.
Mr. Deputy HARRISON, in accordance with the report
of the committee, moved that the board agree to the fol.
lowing resolution :—" That before taking any further
steps for such purpose, and ina-much as the committee
have ascertained that the Corporation of the City of
London have been in negotiation fur the purchase of one
of the bridges, namely, Southwark-bridge, the committee
request the authority of the board to place themselves in
cammunication with the corporation, with the view of
learning whether they are prepared to purchase, or to
join in the purchase, of such bridge." It was the opinion
of the committee that the only practical way of throw-
ing open Southwark and Waterloo-bridges was by pur-
chasing the interest of the proprietors. He was of opinion
that the board would not find the City unwilling to co-
operate in opening Southwark-bridge, on proper and
reasonable terms. That such an object was desirable
was very evident, and as this was ot:ly an initiatory
step, he apprehended that the recommendation of the
committee would be sanctioned by the board.
Mr. Howe seconded the motion.
Mr. BEAVAN could not easily conceive any benefi

accruing to his district (Bethnal.green) from the open-
ing of S uthwark-bridge to the public. His district was
situated at a considerable distance from the bridge, and
he must protest against any proposition by which its in-
habitants would be taxed for an improvement advanta-
geous only to the C.ty and Southwark. Already upwards
of 350,0001. was to be expended in the con-truction of a
new street infSouthwark, and he thought it behoved hon.
members to pay some attention to the requirements of
their own constituents. As regarded Southwark-bridge,
he contended that its purchase ought to be considered
in the light of a special improvement for Southwark and
the City of Loudon, and should be viewed as such by
the board.
Mr. DIFFANGER was in favour of the motion, and
would ju it remind Mr. Beavan that unless a bridge were
made or purchased, the new street in Southwark would
be comparatively useless.
Mr. HAWICES opposed the motion, on the ground
mainly that the benefit to be derived would be almost
altogether of a local nature.

Mr. TAYLOR was rejoiced to see Mr. D'lffanger on the
right side at last. For his own part he believed that
the City wouid be disposed to do its duty by offering
every facility and assistance in its power to the board in
respect to the throwing open of Southwark-bridge. He
would remind the representative for Bethnal-green that
his constituents would certainly derive some benefit from
a freer communication being established between the
north and south sides of the river. The bridge had been
built at a very large cost, and the original shareholders
had never received a single farthing. Notwithstanding
this, he knew the company valued it at a very large
figure,.and the difficulty to be surmounted was this, that
the original shareholders expected to be recouped. The
improvement, if it could be effected, would prove highly
advantageous in a general sense, by affording further
facilities to the traffic, not only between the City and
Southwark, but between the City and Surrey and Kent.
Mr. BIDGOOD appr.ved of the notion of thro wing open
the two bridges, but wished to call attention to the fact
that, save for light traffic, Southwark-bridge would be
worthless to the public. lie trusted that nothing

that emanated from that board would be construed to
mean that they intended to purchase the bridge at its
original cost, or even half that cost. (Hear.)
Mr. LESLIE was desirous of knowing where the funds
required for the purchase of the bridge were to come
from. The bridge itself came from no place, and went
to no place—(criee of "Oh I")—and he understood.from
the statements made, that the bridge had never paid the
preference shareholders above 1/ per cent., yet the price
asked for it was equal to the origii at outlay.
Mr. COLLINSON replied to Mr. Leslie by stating that
the bridge on one side led into the heart of the City, and
on the other into Southwark and Surrey. He considered
that it was of the utmost intportauce to facilitate tie
communication between those important places. (Hear.)
Moreover, tl.e idea of throwing open this bridge was a
popular one, and had been agitated many years. It was
not merely a 'Joel improvement, but one which he con-
ceived would materially improve the comfort and conve•
nience of the London public. Look at the relief that
would then he afforded to London-bridge. (Hear, hear.)
He approved of the motion.
Mr. WARE also spoke iu favour of the resolution.
Mr. Deputy HARRISON, in reply, said the notion had
never been entertained, ether by himself or by the
committee, to give the company anything like 300,0001.
for the bridge. He indignantly denied the truth of the
statement made by Mr. Leslie, that the committee
wanted to "hook" the board into the purchase, and he
(the Deputy) thought such observations as these were
ungentlemanly and uncalled 'for. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. LESLIE remarked that hon. members appeared to
be particularly thin-skinned just now.
The board then divided, when the motion was carried
(strAnge to say without a di►ision) by 21 to 3.
Mr. Deputy HARRISON then moved "That it be re-
ferred to the committee to take the necessary steps in
reference to the motion."

Mr. flows seconded the proposition, which was
agreed to.

BUSINESS ARRANGEMENTS.

The subjoined emotion, proposed by Mr. BRISTOWE,
and seconded by Mr. SEELEY, was adopted after half an
hour's discussion :—" That the clerk be directed to sum-
mon the members of the board for 12 o'clock on Tuesday
in every week, at the premises in Greek-street, until
further notice, for the purpose of considering and deter-
mining upon the reports of the superintending architect
on application under the Metropolitan Building Act and
the Metropolis Local Management Act."
REJECTION OP TRH INTERCEPTING DRAINAGE PLAN BY

GOVERNMENT.
At this stage of the proceedings the President inti-
mated that a communication had been just received from
the First Commissioner of Work•, which would be read
by the clerk.

Tae Clerk then, amid deep silence, read the following
official communication, which we print in extcnao

"Office of Works, Nov., 1856.
" Sir,—l am directed by the First Commissioner of her
Majesty's Works, &c., to say that he has considered the
plena of the main drainage of the metropolis submitted to
him on Wednesday last by a deputation from the Metro-
politan Board of Works, in relation to the outfall proposed
at the point marked B in the plan, which point on the south
side, according to the plan, is about ono mile from the
eastern boundary of the metropolitan area, and about 2
miles west of Erith.
" The First Commissioner desires me again to refer the
board to tho words of the act 18th and 10th Vic., c. 120,
which are as follow : And such board (the Metropolitan
Board of Works).shall make such sewers and works as they
may think necessary for preventing all or any part of the
sewage of the metropolis from flowing or passing iuto the
River Thames in or near the metropolis, and shall cans°
each sewers and works to be completed on or before the
diet day of December, lee6o.'
" lle considers that the plan presented to him, as regards
tho outfall, is at variance with the intentions of the Legie-
lature, and contrary to the spirit of the statute. It
therefore, with mucl.eregret that he feels bound to return
the plan, withholding his approval. The First Coinmis-
sioner further desires meeto state that he finds by the
authorised proceedings of the board, that the same outfall
at B has been several timee under their consideration. It
appears, at page 316 of those proceedings, that an outfall
in Erith marshes has been proposed by the engineer, in a
report presented to the board on July 7; and that, after
this proposition had been in the hands of the members of
the beard for about 14 days, it was moved, on the 22d of
July, that the outfall at Erith marshes, as proposed by
the engineer in his report of the 7th of July, be adopted,
and that the discharge take place only at br after high
water.' lb this an amendment was moved, That the
engineer be directed to prepare sections and estimates for
extending the main outfall sewer on the southern side to a
point iu Lang-reach below Erith, and so as to be discharged
at and after high water only.'
"This amendment was carried, thus negativing, or at all
events postponing for further information, the plan of the
engineer for an outfall at Erith marshes, as embodied in
the original motion. On the 12th August it was again con-
sidered, when, after various motious of different kinds in
relation to the main drainage had been put and negatived,
an amendment was .moved, That the discharge of the
mein oatfall sewer on the south side of the Thames be
made at a point in the river Thames on the Surrey side,
weitward of Erith.' This amendment was negatived, and
it was subsequentiy resolved, ' That the report of the en-
gineer bo referred back to him, in order that he may re-
port to the board on the whole question of the northern
and southern drainage of the metropolis.'
"The subject was again brought before the board on
Monday, the 6th of October last, by a motion to the fol.
lowing effect :—' That the resolution of the board of the
le2th of August, 1456, negativing the following amend-
ment, namely, "That the discharge of the main outfall
sewer on the south side of the Thames be made at a point
in the river Thames, on the Surrey side, weeetward of
Erith," be revoked, with a view to the consideration of
all, and the adoption of either, of the several systems of
drainage sot forth iu the engineer's report of 25th Sept.,
1856.' This motion was carried unanimously. The board
ware by this time in possession of the report of their engi-
neer. They were also in possession of the report of their
legal adviser upon the subject of the outfall at 13, and hay.

ing rescinded all their previous resolutions, which prevented
them from reconsidering that coattail, they were now in a po.
sition to dismiss every point of outfall, and determine that
most important question. Being placed in this position,
the first motion brought before the board (vide page 509),
6th Oct , 1855, was the following :--` That the engineer's
report, so far as it relates to the outfall at B on the plan,
be adopted.'
" Amendments were moved which were negatived, and
the original motion, in regard to the outfall at B was re-
jected. It therefore appears that at every time, and on every
occasion, up to the 6th Oct. last inclusive, when this plan
B, which is now submitted for the approval of the First
Commissioner was brought before the board it was set aside
or postponed for further information, and that when that
required information was furnished the plan was delibe-
rately rejected. The First Commissioner agrees with the
board in the several decisions arrived at, aich he consi-
ders to have been quite correct,
" By the resolution of Oct. 22, which was placed in the
hands of the First Commissioner on Wednesday last, it
was determined that it be intimated to the Commissioners
of her Majesty's Works, &e., that the Metropolitan Board
of Works had also under their consideration other plans for
discharging the sewage into the river, and that it was the
opinion of the board that if any extension was desirable
the board would undertake the work, provided the addi-
tional outlay was paid out of the national revenue.
" The First Commissioner cannot give any final opinion
in relation to plans for the drainage of the metropolis un-
til such plans shall have been adopted by the board and
submitted for his approval after such adoption ; but he
will, without delay, consider any plan so submitted.
"The First Commissioner desires me distinctly to state
that he has no desire and no intention to interfere in any
way whatever in this matter beyond discharging the duty
which is imposed upon hint by the statute; but if the board
should desire to see him previously to the consideration of
any plans, he will be most happy to receive a deputation
from the board, and to confer with them upon this im-
portant subject, in the hope, and with the desire, that it
may be brought to some satisfactory issue.—l am, sir, your
most obedient servant,
" ALFRED AUSTEN, Secretary."
The reading of the above document was frequently
interrupted by cries of "Hear, hear," and as soon as the
clerk had finished several members rose simultaneously,
hut gave way to
The PRESIDE/IT, who said that he thought it neces-
sary to make a few observations on this matter. Since
the plan had been taken up to the First Commissioner,
he (the President) had accidentally met him under that
roof on Monday last, at the civic dinner. The First Com-
missioner then expressed a wish that they should have a
little chat on that important and vexed question, and
they had then a lengthened conversation on the matter.
After pointing out to him some of the points which he
(the President) thought important, and the opinion of
the board, the First Commissioner expressed a wish that
they should have an opportunity of discussing the matter
more at large at the Office of Works, on Tuesday. He
accordingly went to that office on Tuesday, and they then
went into the whole matter of the plan. The First Com-
missioner stated that he had no desire whatever tó inter-
fere with the duties and rights of the board, and that he
felt himself call-d upon, under the statute, to discharge
an importiar, and in this case a very dare duty; that
he felt bound to say that any plan that was sent up to
him by the board for his approval should be one in ac-
cordance with the act of Parliament, and that he bad no
discretion, but must be guided by the statute itself. He
then expressed a wish that the matter had been discussed
in an interview with himself; and he (the President)
then stated the difficulties which the board had
to contend with, and pointed out to Sir B.
Hall the resolution which the beard had agreed
to when the plan had been ordered to be sent up—
namely, that the board was willing to extend the outfall,
provided the Government was prepared to obtain for the
board the necessary funds for the extension, inasmuch as
the board had not felt itself justified in extending the
main drainage at the cost of the ratepayers beyond the
requirements of the metropolis. He had also pointed out
to the First Commissioner that the board had not only
technically but substantially conformed to the Act of
Parliament, in freeing the Thames from pollution, and
that he (the President) entertained a very strong convic-
tion that it was the duty of the Government not only to
find the funds necessary for any extension, but that the
board had a very strong claim to ask the Government to
contribute to these very large structural works, indepen-
dent of the extension, when one took into consideration

the great extent of the works, the material benefit that
would be derived from them by the Government establish-
ments ; the improvement of the sanitary condition of the
seat of Government, where the representatives of the
nation resided half the year, and where the Court and all
the larger institutions of the country were established.
These considerations, he had urged, gave the board a
claim on the country when they were enraged in carry-
ing out such vast structural works. The First Commis-
sioner said that he felt, as far as he was concerned, that
there was great force in that position, and that he was
inclined is meet the board in a proper spirit, and that
some deputation from the board could make out to his
satisfaction that the board had a claim on the Govern-
ment, that be was prepared to submit such claim to the
Government. 'Hear.) He felt compelled to say that the
spirit in which Sir B. Hall hal met him in thatinterview
of lh hours' duration was gratifying, and showed that
whatever irritation existed, there was a desire to assist
the board in this question, which the first Commis-
sioner admitted was a difficult one. (Rear, hear.) He
(the President) entertained the opinion very strongly
that if the board were to appoint a deputation to con-
sult with the First Commissioner on this matter, that a
conclusion satisfactory to the board and to the public
would be arrived at; and seeing the First Commissioner
had a duty to perform under the act, he (the President)
theught that it was their duty to waive any personal
feeling that might exist on the matter when such im-
portant interests were at stake ; and seeing, moreover,
that the public expected thisgreat question to be brought
to a conclusion. At present the board had very little
credit from the public for the great amount of public
business that was despatched ; and so it would continue
unless some advance was made in the question of main
drainage. (Hear.) He hoped the board would show some
disposition to meet the First Commissioner ; and he (the
President) thought that they would better consult the
interest of the public by such negotiations than by fight-
ing at a distance. He believed that much time would be
saved if this course was adopted; and he trusted that the
board would meet the First Commissioner without refer-
ence to any previous transaction, under a sense of public
duty, and with the special desire that that great ques-
tion should not suffer by any wish on tbeir part to even
say that which, under the circumstances, they might
feel to be justifiable. The President concluded with a
few general remarks.
On the mot.on of Mr. CARPMAEL, the letter was
ordered to be printed, circulated, and taken into consi-
deration on Friday next, at 12 o'clock.

THE NEW STREET IN SOTJTRWARS APPROVED BY
GOVERNMENT.
After the adjournment of the board, it was understood
that another communication had arrived from the First
Commissioner approving of the plan sent up a few days
back for the formation of a new street from High-street,
Southwark, to Stamford-street, Blackfriars.