The Sun.
London, England, 1834-09-27 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, SEVTEMBER 27, 1834,

individuals who were anxious for the separation of Church
and State—(Hear, hear)—and he too, therefore, opposed
that which, under other circumstances, he should have been
disposed to grant—(Hear.) In reference to the question
of the union of Church and State in this country, let him
ask for whom and for what purpose is the Church Esta-
blishment maintained ? He would say—and lie would say
without fear of contradiction—that the Church Establish-
ment was maintained for the people alone—(Cheers.) Look
at the high offices in the Church, and, to the honour
of the country be it spoken. that some of those high offices
have been filled by individuals who have sprung from the
humble ranks of society—( Hear, hear.) In the Universities
were not all the opportunities of obtaining the benefit of a
good education afforded to them? If, however, the Church was
disunited, there would be an end of those advantages; and it
was, therefore, the hound-on duty of the meeting to give to
the Church Establishment their utmost support. They
had assembled for the purpose of celebrating the Declaration
of the King upon a late occasion.; and in that Declaration
there was not one word in which he did not concur—
(Cheers.) His Majesty had said " that certain unhappy
circumstances that have forced themselves upon the ob-
servation of all, require that he should make that decla-
ration. The threats of those who are enemies of the
Church Inftko it the more necessary for those who feel
their duty to that Church to TPA out, The words
which you hear from me are indeed spoken by my mouth,
but they flow from my heart." Those unhappy circum-
stances may still exist, but he felt that the declaration of
the Sovereign must put an end to them. If those prin-
ciples are continued and supported by the people, they
could not fail to entail upon us all the blessings of a
free Constitution.—(Hear, hear.) I, said the Hon. Ba-
ronet, should be glad if the proceedings of this evening can
be commnnicated to the high quarter from whence the de-
claration emanated. I have, however, no means or making
those proceedings known to my Sovereign ; for I am, un-
fortunately, not, like a distinisuished individual, in the ha-
bit of keeping up a correspondence with the King,—
(Laughter.) If he had the means of making that commu-
nication- to his Majesty, lie would tell him of the loyalty of
the Eastern. Division of the county of Kent...‹Cheers)—and
that their hearts respond to his most gracious declaration ;
and that they were determined to maintain the institutions
of the country.—(Cheers). It had been stated that the
next Session of Parliament would not far advance without
certain measures for the reform of the Church being
proposed :he believed it. We have been told that the
reform will be carried to a great and dangerous extent,
and that it may be considered in the nature of a Catho-
lic Relief Bill.—(Hear, hear.) Every thing that was con-
ducted by human agency was liable to human error, and in
this respect the measure might be carried so far that it
might prove detrimental to the interests of the country. In
reference to some points, reform should be made, but he
would come back upon the declaration that it was in the
power of the Ministers of the Church to make those re- I
forms. Believing that the Ministers of the Church would
do so, it would give the meeting a better opportunity of
contending with those subjects which were introduced in the
shape of reform ; but which, in fact, were not reform, but
intended to be the downfall of the Constitution.—(Hear,
hear.) He repeated that nothing should induce him to
rob the Church of its property, or to degrade its Ministers, •
to whom we all looked up with feelings of regard and hopes
of receiving consolation,...--(Cheers.)
Mr. PLtmiPTRE then, at some length, went into a state-
merit of the course he had pursued in Parliament, more
especially with regard to the votes he had given on the '
Jewish Relief Bill, and the Bill for the admission of Dis-
senters to the Universities. His eyes were, indeed, opened
by the proposition for the separation of Church and State ;
but he was glad to say that there were, among the Dissen-
ters, many who were opposed to that proposition.—(Hear,
and cheers.) He admitted that much of the happiness and
prosperity of the country was due to the religion of the
Established Church. He could not consent to a mixture
of Arians, Socinians, and Infidels, to be admitted to a situ-
ation in which they might become heads of their Universi-
ties ; and on those grounds it was that he had given his vote
in opposition to the bill.
The Noble PRESIDENT rose and proposed " The health
of the Earl of Roden, united to Civil and Religious Liberty,
which meant peace and tranquillity."
The toast was drunk with enthusiastic applause.
Earl RODEN rose and said that it was difficult for him to
find words to express what he felt for the kindness of the
meeting, of his Noble Friend, and of the Men of Kent,
and also of the high opinion which he entertained of them
on the subject which had that day brought them together.
He also wanted words to express to his Noble Friend, and
to the meeting, his deep sense of the obligation which they
conferred upon him in connecting his name with that coun-
try to which he belonged—and he was proud to say he be-
longed ; and he felt pride also in the circumstande 'of his
name having been connected with civil and religious liberty.
It was his duty, he regretted, to say that there was no coun-
try in the world in which civil and religious liberty were
less enjoyed, or less known, than in unhappy Ireland.—
(Hear.) It was regretful to him to state to them, and he
knew it would be equally so to them to hear the painful
situation in which their Protestant and Roman Catholic fel-
low-subjects were placed in Ireland. He would not yield to
any man to spread a genuine knowledge of true religion
in that country, and to make her the brightest orna-
ment, and the really right hand of England.—(Hear.)
Again, he could not but return to the Protestant people of
Ireland. He had seen them endeavour by every means to
escape insults to which they were subjected. He had seen
them degraded and trampled under foot. He had also seen
their Magistrates degraded and their Ministers insulted.—
(Cries of " Shame," and disapprobation). It had been his
duty to reside among the people of Ireland upwards of 20
years, and he could lay his hand upon his heart and declare
that no man could have a greater love for his Irish fellow-
subjects than he had.—(Cries of " Bravo," and Hear,
hear.") But when he saw his fellow Protestants abused :
when he saw them obliged, by the oppression of the Romish
priesthood, to emigrate to foreign countries, he confessed
his heart sunk within him ; and it was with pleasure, there-
fore, that he had acceded to the invitation, so kindly given
him, to attend this meeting, as it afforded him an opportu-
nity to speak to them on the sufferings of the Pro-
testants of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) It had been the ob-
ject of the Catholics of Ireland to detach it from this
country. Why ? Because Ireland was Catholic and
England Protestant.—(Hear, hear, and much cheering).
But it had been the object—and it was a wise one for
the former Government of this country—to check
that disposition, by holding to the weakest party, and
maintaining to it its privileges. Now, however, it would
appear to be the object of the present Government to rob
them of those privileges, and to put down their religion.
But there was a band of brave and noble Protestants still
in Ireland, who, notwithstanding all that they had suffered,
were worthy of being placed in the front rank of the battle
of the Protestants of England—(Loud cries of " Bravo,"
and cheering)—and he would say it was the battle of the
Protestants of England that those of Ireland were now
fighting.—(Loud cheers.) They were strong in their cause
against a host of enemies, for they believed that while
right and justice were on their side, they were stronger far
than those who were against them—( Hear, hear)—and he
could answer for them, that they would never shrink from
the support of their cause, and that proud, indeed, will
they be of the sympathy which was felt in their favour on
this most important and memorable occasion.—(Cheers.)
The attack now making on the Church in Ireland was al-
leged to be against its revenues ; but such was not alone
the case—it was an attack against the Protestant faith,
that faith which the Protestants of Ireland would lay down
their lives in the defence of. The Protestant farmers, he re-
gretted to state, were constantly likely to be waylaid in Ireland
on account of their religion ; and even the Protestant little
children were reviled as they passed, and called " Orange-
men," " Sassanach," and various other vexatious names,
meant to imply opprobrium. He could not also but call
their attention to the persecution of the Protestant minis-
ters. He had seen a Protestant minister and his family,
who had been accustomed to live respectably and comfort-
ably, compelled to descend into a kitchen and perform for
weeks every menial duty, subject at the same time to the
greatest privations.—(Cries of " Shame.) This was not a
solitary case, and he would tell them of one in which he
had raised a subscription amongst his friends of 2001. to
assist a poor individual who, after he had collected the
money, he had great difficulty, from the persecution which
he had described, in finding out. 'The meeting could not
form an idea of the sufferings of the Protestant clergymen,
nor of the great debt which society owed them ; but the
day would come when those excellent men would come out
of their places of exile, and when they would receive for
their sufferings a crown of glory. After sonic further ob-
servations, the Noble Earl concluded by again thanking
them for their kindness for the indulgence with which they
had heard him.

...
After several other toasts bad been drunk, and speeches
made, the company separated at a late hour of the evening•

It i highly probable that Carlisle will shortly be
honoured with a visit from the Duke of Wellington. His
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by Mr. Burge, farmer, a range of buildings, used as lambing
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houses, &c.,
hayrick. The lambing house was
the great exertions of the persods present a large part or
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hay was saved. The farm being situated on an eminence the
fire was distinctly seen for many miles round. There appears
to be no doubt of its having been wilfully set on fire. The htlY,
we are glad to hear, is insured in the Protector Fire Office.,"
Dorset Chronicle.