The Sun.
London, England, 1802-11-24 00:00:00

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ways On the further etihroachrhentS of France with
jealousy and watchfulness; and he had said also,
that much might- depend upon the chance there was,
at success in endeaVoutingto stop it.- He wished
not to apply this to the.preSent case, but the disa.
tinaian which that observation was. intended .to
Convey, was material: He couldnot agreewith
I:is Right Hons Friend 'who had, just sat down, in
tie allusion he made tb *hat he had'apppOsed to have
been said by him (Lord IIAWKESBIII6') when the
subjea..matter of' the Preliminary and , Definitive,
Treaties were disewssa in that House': He -re,
gretted, that hisUic,Yion. Friend was riot pre.
sent at that diseusitc nthps 'qo that he had not an op,
portun .
ity of kncwidqfpfecisely, the-sentiment§ on
which that Definitive Treaty was defended by His
_Majesty's Ministers, for, by the ,representation he
made of that matter, and, his arguments from that ie-
-o.esentation, it was evident hehad, in some respeast
irdeconeeiVed 'Abe gfounds on which .His Majesty's
Ministers defended that 'Treaty in its discussion in
House. His Right Hon. Friend asked, what the
System was'on whi4h4\slinisters had aCteda and whe.,
the r 'they had 'fel t r„,lsu slied, the Syatem on ;wh ich they
had conclndedtTee, Peaty gust he
tansWered,
that His 'Majest,y;',a Ministers• a-aesf, now precisely
ott tEe same. S's.,atem as they
.atfled. when the Definie.
`live Treaty Was concluded:, That the principle
which was then asioVved was. the principle which
world govern tEeM ; it was a '.principle, tt hich was
perfetily clear and intelligifiJe, and .practicable.
that-principle was stated by the .Hpn,Gehtleman
opne,s,sse to him,: asefar as the staeernent went,
with perfca fairnesslt was that as ear as respeas
the Inieres of this q9untry, the Peace was made
on terms that wersitononsabic, inasmuch as it Pre-
-seit'edthe:lntegrity:ct the British Dominions e and
it ;was added, at the time of the discussion of that
'Treaty, by some whica*toole a share in it on the part
'of Nis Majesty -Ministers, that, as fares itere-
speaed the stats,,of the Continent,
„many things
uere, left undei elTsumstances that
,were unsatisfac-
tory, arid Mirsistet pad expressed regret.uPon.that
occasion, and in, termae'tljat were stronger than the
H9nourable Gelltleman opposite to him had stated to.
night upon that topic. The principle, on which
"His Majesty's Ministers. justified themselves then
'Was this, "That to.continue the War for Continen-
tal. 'Objeas;• withbat the prospect of Contipental
'SuppOrt, wouldltatshrd, and that consequently
~is, I ;
•it was better to, e the Chance of Peace, than the
. _
,chance of War-seelfia, Cir w e.were to have the alter-
native, it vas :desirable for us to try Peace, when in
Chntinental objects, outexpeetations had ceased."-
-This was the ,prAnciple on which .His Majesty's
-Ministeli then aced. It was the principle by which
they noact, a, and 'on wl,Ach they would always be
`ready to aft, and to,.justify themselves. He knew
that his Right Hon. Friend who had spoken. last had
allUded to some general topics, and referred to the
opinions Of other persons
.as to the,: system which
Ministers ought to pursue, and who.did not agree
with'MiniSters: But he had mistaken some senti-
ments whiCh were uttered by him (Lord HAWKES-
BUP.Y.) It Was stated as if something was,saicl. on
the discussion of the Definitive Treaty, that. it was
tile policy of this Conntry to abstraa itself from the
Continent. That was not the principle then avow-
ed ; bUt he remembered Ttaving said something very
different hielf.ort that occasion, and he was, ready
to defend wbatene then said. had said, it was
not the system of this Country to abstraa itself from
Crintinental concerns, and ,attend exclusively to its
owes resources, :led internal affairs,; he should have
thought, if some respettable persons, had not ex-
pressed a contrary optniop, that the case was too
deer for any doubt to, be entertained upon it. He
owned, that to a Country so large, and Territories
so extensive, commerce so wear., and interests so
complicated, it was.impossible,to apply, with good
sense, the principle ofabstraaing itseli, and to at-
tend to mere internal policy of its own, distina
from all_ concert: with the affairs ,ofsother States,
urn all occasions. Those wlen shonld ever attempt
to guide the affairs of this Country upon a.contract-
ed eystem, would soon find it a policy` which, they
rnust_abandon, or sacrifice the real interests of_ this
C'. entry.' He might objea to this system on a
me :e large and extensive,, principle ethan any
he had hithertok .tileiltiOtWil, but it, was not his
intention to be diffuse in what he had to
siihnit to the .House. He knew he_ might
,tos what had been
,the .praaice
Ns'ajesty's Ministers,; that was a subjea on, which
he tilt more delicacy than otherwise he would have
of tiffienity in the detail.. He thought, however,
that. the affairs of States, like the affairs of Indivi-
doals, took their course, from. the circumstances and
importance in which they stood.—States that were
in size and consequence of a subordinate kind, had
to fellow a rule of policy. .different from that which
would be a wise one to . a. great and important.
State. Inferior or subordinate States,. like inferior
and subordinate Individuals, had to look chiefly to
MA.intenance and- support, .often little. more than
preservation of existence. But Individuals.of rank
acid- station,, of high condition in life, had the sup-
Tort and assistance of others to ,attend to ; the
concerns 'e of' others and interests of others to
consider., and, in some cases, to provide for.,
in States. Great and powerful States
had to loO,k to many things besides their own imme-
diate and internal interest ; both policy and justice
required that they should attendto other objeas,
for the interest of a great and powerful State was
often combined with those who were inferior to it,
as well asin endeavouring to, set some limits to ano.
ther Power, and therefore it was to him a matter of
surptize, that.anyyerson of an enlarged understand__
ing should suppose it could, under any circumstances,
be the interest of this Country to pursue an abstraa
system, unconnected with any part of the affairs of
the Continent. This, he presumed, would be an ao-
swer to that part
,of the speech of his,Right Hop:
Friend which tended. to imply, that, the policy of
His Miijesty's Ministers was that of an abstract in-
, sulated nature. Batt still ilicre might be eircum;
stances that ought to govern His Majesty's Mini-
sters. That the policy which he haslealready stated,
was. that on which His , Majesty's • Ministers
had, in some cases, acted, in others forbore to aCf,
was a'point which it was almost unnecessary for, him
to state.- It was so fresh in the recolleaion of all who
heard him, that this
,polV:y of attending to expe-
diency, had governed this andothor States in the