The Sun.
London, England, 1856-04-16 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, APRIL 16. 1856.

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ment had at list determine] to deal with the measure.
The question of Minister.' Maley was precisely analo-
gous to Church Rtes in E:qz and, but the (abjection to
the one that the prefes,ors of reliOon should not
be called upon to contribute to the religious support ap,
plied equaly to th other. Goverumeot had given their
support to the proposed settlement of the one question,
And he did not see how they could withhold it from this.
The hon. gentleman hav,nz stated the variou. objec-
tions to the inea,eure, stated that when he was in Duoiiii
a very large and kfliseal deputation waFeil upon him
and informed him that they wi&.ed it to be conveyed to
the Government that- it had been determined to resist
the payment of this tax. and, - as was his duty, he zon•
veyed that determination to the G.wernment. But it
was not to be ',unposed that the Government would
shrink from acting up to their duty and viedicating
the law. But amongst the many omissions the
present act contained was one which was ex-
tremely difficult to • overcome. The act stated
that, in cases of non-payment of the tax, the Lord-
Lieutenant of Ireland was to enforce payment, but the
act contained no machinery to enable him to do so. As
f4r as the Government could they would take steps to
carry the law out on the subject, but, if these persons
air rs not in a position t 3 pay, it was impossible to com-
pel them to do so.. The course the G.:vernineot
intended to pursue was to see how far the law which it.ad
so lately been passed was ealcuiated to effect the object
for which it was trained. When the Government
had exhausted all the means to enforce the pay-
ment of the tax they would be disposed to
give their best considemtisn to frame a measure to meet
'the evil, which would be acceptable to all parties ;• but
he did hope that all further legislation would be sus-
pended until it was seen how the present law would
work. The Government would, in the meantime, en-
deavour to frame a measure, which he should intrthluce
in a future session, if the present law should be found
inoperative.

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Mr. NAPIER admitted that he had given a pledge
an this subject to the effect that had been stated, and
he regretted a similar court e was adopted in the present
instance by the hon. Secretary for Ire'and. The tax
was a tax upon property, and if the Government quese
tinned the title of property in church matters they
would shake the very fiundation of every description
of property. In respect to the law being inoperative oa
the subject, he might observe that the Court of green's
Bench would issue a mandamus to compel the payment
of the tax. He should oppose the second reading of the
bill and vote for the amendment, that the bill be read a
second time that dry six neon he.
Mr. FITZGERALD defended the course the Govern-
ment intended to folow on this quo am. the
law, as far as it was possible, would be carried out. But
there was a great difficulty in carrying out the law; but
in this case corporations, and not individuals, were to
no dealt with, and many ef the Irish corporations did not
possess one atom of property. Under suele circumstances the
legal proceedings would be rendered extremely difficult,
but the law was carried out as far as it was possible to
no so. The present law was not a property tax, but a
tax on perions, and the occupation of certain houses
created a certairi
Mr. WHITESIDE said that the G rvernment bad
admitted, during the present debate, that the law on the
sdbjeet was entirely wrong, but the law had been frareed
by the supporters of the present Government. The
houreerable gentleman the Secretary for Ireland had
promised next year he would bring in a
bill to effect the settlement of this queqion,
but the tenure of office by the hon. gentleman till that
period was by no means so certain, as the cenfidence of
the public was daily decreasing.
Mr. MAGUIRE said the people of Cork had deter-
eitned to a man to oppose both by their perseni and
property the present law with respect to ministers'
money. He sail the more manly course fir the Go-
vernment to pursue was to fairly grapele with
the subject fairly and aboveboard, and not meet it as
they heel done by a long and unmeaning statement from
the Secretary for Ireland. lie hit& red the house
to pass this bill. and thereby de air act of justice
to the people of Ireland Tre noble lord, the Prime
Minister paid a high compliment to the Rosman C,,-
th,lica of Ireland during the debate nigh', and
wet they intendel to keep a t i ineasere ear-d-
-ing them ore the statiao b ink. (Divide, sivide.)
Mr. Sergeant O'BRIEN said the population of Lime-
riok were mainly again-t the provisions ,f the bill, and
he should therefore vote for the sexed reading of the
measure of the hon. rnembsr for Cork.
Lord J. RUSSELL ttemeht the G rvernrnent would
have done bweer if they had plainly stated the course
they intended to pursue. He thought there were
only two courses open to them, the first was to exhaust
the law on tee subject in Ireland, the refiren was to adopt
the plan of the hon. gentlemen the m umber fir Cork.
He did not think the sum raised by this tax was worth
the great contention it created, as he believer] there was
sufficient means to provide for the Protestant religion
in Ireland from the Protestant Church revenues
without resorting to the means which the
bill of the honourab'e member for Clerk pro-
posed to abolish. He should vote with the Govern-
ment on this occasion, and against the bill, but he did
hope that the sulject would riot long be left in doubt, but
that the Government would either enforce Sir J. Young's
act, or take measures to get rid el the tax altogether,
which course he was also willing to support, and thus
give peace to the people of Ireland.
Mr. FAGAN having replied,
The house divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading of the bill l2l
-Against it,
Majority —Bo
The bill was consequently lost.
.REFORMATORY SCHOOLS (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was read a second time pro forma.
The Exchequer Bills (21,182,7001.) Bill was read a
third time and passed.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of,
and.the house adjeurned shortly before six.

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THE MILITARY BOARD OF INQUIRY.
(This Day.)

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The Board of General officers reassembled this morn-
ing at the Royal Hospital, Chelsea, at the usual hour.
The proceedings each day attracts a large number of
the public, and amongst them are a great number of
ladies, especially within the bar. These latter, probably
from past experience, and not wi,.hing to miss the pro-
ceedinge, from being personally acquainted with many
of the officers connected with the inquiry, finding the
form of proceeding adopted by the Court to be exceed-
ingly tedious, have provi led themselves with an amuse-
m.-nt, in the shape of " li;,itting, netting, and crochet,"
and °Vier lady-like accomplishments of the present day
Lady Chelsea, and many other ladies, displayed great
industry in these branches of profitable amusement
daring the grater portion of the day.
Lard Locan inqnxed if the nymthly return of the
baggage animals, in the Crimea, had been obtained from
the War-office I

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The Judge-Atlvocate•General said that an application
had been made for them, but the answer was that there
were no such returns.
Lord DlCall said it was to he regretted, and he sup-
posed he must de his hest without, them.
Sir A. Woodford said that. he believed there were such
returns, but that they were in the Crimea.
The evidence of S r ReAirev was then proceeded with.
He was examined by Col. Tuilech.
Sir R. Airey said that it was the cueton for all orders
to be obeyed, and he presumed they were acted upon
with reference to the disposal of the skins of dead animals.
The skins of the various animals that died and were
slaughtered were no doubt used in covering the hybris
animals, in accordance with orders, until other materials
were obtained. These skins were used all over the
camp. hut whether they amounted to 3.000. the number
of horses that died and were slaughtered, he could not
say. 6d. per skin was paid for every horse's skin
properly cured. With reference to his firmer evidence
relative to the Commissioners not having obtained suffi-
cient infsrmation before making their report, he observed
that he bad no wish to censure that report. He was
examined as to matters unconnected with his depart.
ment. He answered the questions relating to his de-
partment as fully as possible, and referred the Commis.
sloners to the proper departments for answers to the
others. If the Commissioners had returned to the
Crimea from Constantinople, where they had gone in cen-
se.;uence of the cholera, they could have obtained the in•
formation required from the othi r departments on the sp it.
He had no idea at the time the Commissioners were
in the Crimea that their duties referred to anything
more than that indicated by the blue book, via., an in-
quiry into the corotniesariat supplies. The answers
which he gave to their questions relative to his depart-
ment he considered sufficient and complete. The first
huts from England arrival on the 16. h Dscember, and
others on the 25th, and four more vessels arrived with
huts before the end of that month. He was charged
with their distribution, although there could be no doubt
that in strictness it belonged to the cominieeariat de.
partment. This was the first time regularly.built houses
bad ever been supplied to an army. It was nothing
more than hutting materials sent nut in a new form. At
the proper time he eheuld enter fully into the duties of
'the qnartermascer-general's department. The Commie.
sioeer's did not act wrong in examining his department
relative to the dates of the hutting ; but he thought it
would have been better had the Commissioners gone a
little further and examined Captein Keen, an engineer
officer, who was ten- out specially in charge of the
huts. He thought without reference to his papers that
L mrd Liican's statement before the board that the
cavalry up to 25.11 of Jetaiary were not to be supplied
with hut,. at that Vine, beeline they were required for
the army in front, was substantially corrsct. The great
pressure fir them, and the hardslopti suffered, were
Principally then in front where ;he men were fighting
dee and night, and Lord itoglen'e de ire was that every-
thing should first he done fur the sick, and then the, in-
fantry division in the front. He was far from thinking
any blame was alribiu able to Lord Lucan, or the
cavalry, for not providing shelter :or the cavalry. If
there was a doubt in the Clehnissionei•s' minds on whom
to throw doubt, they might aq well have cast it on one
department at another. When the Cerninissioners c
mellow] their inquiries he had no idea they w iultl have
taken a retrospective view in order to censure any of the
officers in Commend, but that it wee with a view to take
ineasiiree for the future, and prevent a repetitten of what
had occurred. He ceuld not reenVect a conversation
between himself and the Comtnissienere as to the pro-
priety of examining Lord Raglan personally.
By General Peel—The Commissioners never intimated
ete him that aoy want of promptitude or ingenuity had
been displayed in providing shelter for the cavalry.
Hal they done so he could have given more specific
answers to the questions ut to him, and such as would,
he believer], have removed from their iniuds any such
impression.
By the Judge-Advocate General --The cavalry could
not be removed to Keilikoi before Dec. in con.eqeence
of military considerations between the allies, The French
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horses were not sheltered until after those of the En,7-
fish, and not until just before be left the Crimea,. He
knew one F,ench officr who lost 70 horses out of 120.
By Lord Lucan—His answers to the Commissioners'
questions left the Crimea after General Simpson had the
command of the army, and suesequent to the Commis.
simiers leaving the Crimea.

Sir Richard Airey then withdrew.
Col. Gordon was, then called and examined by Col.
Tuloch. He recollected being examined by the C-iiii-
missioners in the Crimea: He gave them no information
(,f what was 'lone on the order issued at Lard Luean's
request that an engineer officer should be placed at his
dispoial to provide shelter. because they did riot ask for
it. He gave no explanation why the ground had not
been broken in the middle of December, the order al-
lu led to having been issued on the Bth and 12th of
November, because it was not asked for. He was asked
no question about hutting, and consequently he gave
tIo-et no information respecting it, thinking they did not
require it.
Cionel Gordon then retired.

Col. Tench called attention to a later th,.t had ap-
peared in the Tines, eigne:l by Col. York., denying th,,t
the st.h Dragoons were in the Crimea at the time the
C,,,ilitnig,,ioners had stated.

Cd. Yorke, of Ist Dragoons, who used crutches, wa,,
then called, and was texamined by Col. Tulloch—He
sail that the doeutnent handed in was a monthly ret trn,
dated Ist Oct., 1154. and signed by him, but it was m.t
signed on that date. A portion of the re!i►stent was at
Balaklava on the Ist, but that portion which he com-
manded did not arrive until the sth. That discrepancy
arose from the return, although dated the let, not being
made up until the end of the month. It was a return
fur the month of October.
General Peel—By what authority do you produce the
return

Colonel Yorke—By the full authority of the War-
office.

General Peel—Will yen put in that authority !
Cobetel Yorke—l have already done so.
The witness was then further examined with reference
to other returns, and in addition said he had written a
letter to the Times in consequence of finding it had
been stated that hie regiment was in the Crimea when it
was not. He had not stated in that letter anything in-
cantistent with the return which was kept open till his
la, din, for his signature. [rhe witness then read the
letter in question, which gave an account of his proceed-
ing with his regiment, and the loss of 124 horses in their
transit across the Back Sea.]
Colonel Tulloch—Then the War-office is not to sup-
pose that your return is cr,rrect, when it states that on
the Ist of October your head-quarters was at Rtlaklava?
C .1. Yorke—lt was kept open fir me under very pe•
culiar circumstances because there was no other person
to sign it. I was at sea at the time with the head-
quarters of the regiment.
The President expressed the regret of the Board that
Yorke should have addressed a letter to the Tines
relative to these nraceedings.
Cel Yorke—l did it in consequence of what had ap-
peared in a leading article in that journal.
Col. Yorke then retind.

Lord Lucan was then called and examined by Colonel
Tulloch—He complained of the animadversion of the
Commissioners in their report with respect to the de-
ficiency of forage, although he was not named. His
ohject in complaining of it was to show it was incorrect,
and he was prepared to substantiate that assertion.
Page 20 of the Report, relative to the loss of the horses,
was not an animadversion on his conduct because it
made the per tentage of the loss much less
than it really was. He charged " malignity"
on the part of the Caminisioners, not in
ref,rence to the pat titular part of their r' port, but with
mzard to the total incorrectness of the figures in every-
thing the Commissionl-rs had stated. That part of the
report, page 37, relative to the suggestion of Colonel
Griffiths for providing shelter for the horses was a very
seven, anonadversicn indeed, and it showed that he and
other officers were deterred tram doing their duty from
violence on he (Lord Lucan',) part.
By the Judge Advocate-General—He believed Lord
W. Paolett /Led Col. Hodge were present at the time
Col Griffi±lis referred to, when he stated the conversa-
ti,ni pas,d between them, and the threatened arrest was
.Lripvsed to have been made.
By Col. Tolloch— The placing an officer under arrest

might ha a riec-ary act. He 'did not cnu plain at the
recial of Col Griffiths' statement in the report, but it,
was!the unfair interenceswhich the commissnon had drawn
from it. He was preparol to give Col, Griffiths' state-
ment relative t the threat of arrest in th. most positive
manner—threatening to place an officer under ar-
rest for what Colonel Griffiths complained of
was likely to deter others from making similar
,oggestions, but he denied that he had male such a
threat. He (Lord Lucau) complained of the Commi--
sioners receiving, as a JaA, the statement of an ollicer,
when they had an opportunity of examining other wit-
nesses as to its truth. He conceived the charge of wait
of promptitude and ingenuity," displayed in providing
shelter, applied to him and cot to Lord Raglan. It
might have applied to Lord Raglan, and if it ',salt meant
to apply to him, he (Lord Lucan) had to complain of the
C nissioners not putting the matter in a cleirer form
in their report.. He was not prepared to say there was
any want of promptitude or ingenuity in devising shelter
di-pin,yed by the Quarterinaster.General. He did not
admit there was any want of promptitude or ingenuity
displayed by any one.
Cul. Tulloch said that his object in examining Lord
Lucan on this point was to show that the Commissioners
had no intention of implying, by the paragraph in ques-
tion, want of promptitude, kc, to any
particular officer, and that Lord Lucan had
no right to complain of it, and called on him to
say how he assumed it applied to him, when it might
equal.), apply to all officers in command and heads of
deppat&mte,.
I.,s,ALocan said he could only infer that it did from
his having the command of the heavy brigade, and that
it was Ills duty t•) do the best he could for his men and
hrir,e4.

The Board then adjonrnsd for a short period. On
their re-lssembling tae evidence of Lor I Lucan was pro-
ceeded with.
He said it would be nn animadversion on him if it was
meant to apply to Lord Raglan and officers superior to
witness, but it certainly was if it applied to the officers
under [,3rd Raglan, non-commksioned officers, or man
It was impossible to read that part of the report now
alluded to without believing that it was a serious ani-
madversion on the cavalry, an I as such it bad been con-
sidered universally by the public.
In reply to a question from C ii. Tulloch whether that
portion of the report which stated but one-fifth of the
number of men only were employed in taking
down the sick and bringing up provisions was an a-
itiadversion, his lordship sail he supposed it meant that
but one-fifth of the men were so employed, and that
lon r•fift Ili were disposable for forwarding sheltei, whereas
the real fact was that but a few men were available for
he work, and in many regiments there were no men
avail ,ble for it.

C .1,11,11 TuHoch proposed to refer to certain returns
Made by Colonel Hodge and Colonel Mayor? c.t the
available men. _ _ .

Lord Luoan said that he was prepared to show that
ht,e r turns were incorrect. . .

Lord Luc4n—lt was hardly to be expected that he
c,uld now produce accurate returns of the available
roeu sod bores for this wink.

•-•--
Col. Tulloch was proceeding to examine Lord Lucan
relative to the disposition evinced by the Cemmiseionere
in their report not to state anything dero-
gatory to the cavalry which they believed
the evidence did not warrant, on which Lord
Lucan said, that if the object of this examination
,vas to explain away his charge of "malignity" againei,
the Commissioners, he expressed his regret at having
said anything of the kind. He was led to say so from
tile extraordinary ambiguity they had indulged in, in
drievin e up the report, and the errors in the returns.
He did not incurs to say that the Commissioners were
aeswerable f r any false returns that might
have been furnishe I to them, but he thought they had
applied to the wrong officer for them, and that they
had neglected sources from which they might have had
it. His correspondence would show that these returns
were incorrect.
Colonel Tulloch then asked for returns to be pro-
duced showing the actual number of available men and
horses for this work (Wring the period named in the
Commissioners' report.
General Peel—To whom are we to apply for these
returns ?
Col. Tulloch—l presume they can be had from the
Crimea.
Lord Lucan—l doubt if then that the returns will be
found to be accurate. His lordship then propeeded to
point out what he consitierel the incorrect statements
of the report relative to the non-erection of huts before
the midile of Jan., the distance of the stores from the
camp, &c. He said that long before that period
many huts had been erected and used as hoe-
pi tale, notwithstanding many of his officers
stated the contrary with regard to the hospital
huts, in the evidence before the Comm;hmionev, and he
rstel an order of his, dated 27!1:1 January, wherein it wa.,
stated that the hospital huts were completed by that
time. He withdrew much of his objection to tl at part
of the report tints it bat been stated that the Want of
shelter at this period related wore to the hutting of the
men than the horses. By the marginal note in the
report it had reference to the horses.
Col. marginal note was not authorised
by the Commiesionere. It was a mistake on the part of
the printer.
Lore Lucan, in continuation of his evidence, sail that
he corn,idered the inquiry of the Commissioners las t
have been confined to the Commissariat supplies, and
that they very much exceeded their duty in going beyend
it. He thought the Co,nrnissioners had nothing to de
with what had passed between himself and Col. Griffiths.
The Judge-Advocate-General—Colonel Tulloch, wll
you point out in your instt uctione the passage that pre
eu'leil you from inquiring into the conduct of any

C Tuloch —I consider ther3 is nothing in them
that would justify our inquiry into the conduct of any
officer.
Gen. Peel—You considered that the Government
w 0,11,1 n have acted on your report without further
inquiry I
U Tulloch—Yes.
Gen. Peel—Do you consider that inquiry should have
been made before your report was published !
Col. Tulloch-1 can't answer that.
Col. Tulloco to Lord Lucan—Do you not know that

her Majesty'., Government have expressed their approval
of !his r-port, and do you still consider that the Com-
niii.lot,ors exceeded their duty !
L. rd Lucan—l cAn know nothing of any approbation
or d Aapprobation of it by the Government. If they have
ex ,re,ed their approoation of it, I think they have done
it inconsiderately and hastily.