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sessed under the authority of this Act, in respect of!
house or other bui, shall p anerson ir
baing admitted orlding retai eed on therevent registery orp list ofl
sons entitled to vote in the election of a Member or P"
hers to serve in Parliament for any city or borough'! •
from voting at any such election." The Hon.
man said that as the Government called themselvel
formers, he asked them to be consistent with tholes'
in eupporting his proposition. The clause was one tv,
from tee Income and Property "fax Act. lie roe;r,
wanted them to observe the same principle in thit;
which the late Sir R. Peel recognised in the clausen°
troduced in the Act ref -reed to.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER woset
loss to know where the bards.hip was in compelling P.l.
who claimed a right to vote to pay a tax in order Or;
them the right. He thought theta taxation and rep
tuition ought to go together.
Mr. HUME said those with whom he generallY
were in favour of household suffrage without refer:,
to taxation at all. They had laws to enforce the 4
meet of taxes, and they ought not, therefore, to mkt
confound those laws with tnat respectability watch
tach
Mea tor. T. the occupation of a house.
DUNCOM.BE did not exactly know sant:
opinions of the present Chancellor of the Evil
were uron this subject in 1841; but the Governme°o •
that day, with whom the Rieht Hon. Gentlenasa g
rally acted, obtained much éclat in their vinelicsti°
that principle. He only opposed the principle of eis.,
the payment of assessed taxes a condition of registlis'
What the public wanted was the repeal of the rg°.,
tax, unalloyed. They did not want this chicory biti
legislation to follow in the tread of it.—(Lang';,
They would have been better pleased if the (lover°
repealed only one-half of the window duty upon
year, and the other half in the following year. ,h!
Mr. BROr HERTON supported the clause, riluc
thought perfectly reasonable. • eti'
The Committee then divided, when there appear •
For the clause 60
Against it
Majority against the clause •••.59
Sir DE LACY EVANS then moved the
follao
clause:—" That in the case of any premises occupidu
a dwelling-house, and heretofore exempt from the ttP,
duty in respect of the windows or lights thereiato;
which premises shall be assessed to the rate orei
herein imposed, it shall be lawful for the occupier °,,da"
premises to require that the dwelling-house occueieu.e
such premises shall be assessed at. the beforenreePe
rate or duty of 9d., and thereupon the said premisesee
not he liable to any rate or duty." Thia clause ^A
exempt manufacturers with large premises, wb°
hitherto been exempted from the window duty
operation of this tax. He thought it but fair sod
sonable that such warehouses as coach builders, 01.,+
sterers, carpet-makers, and others of this class, n).
be tree from the enormously heavy tax which this
in the first instance, proposed to impose on them. I
Mr. W. WILLIAMS thought it only just to pit
proprietors of those warehouses in the same condi° •
which they were under the window duty.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER 'lii;(
opinion that if they made any such alteration as l'iBB4lE
proposed, they would beopening the door to men
culty and abuse. There were already decisions ,°
courts of law upon this point, which was raised uoiclje" •
former house-duty, and it would be well to avoid
tbt
anything that would have the effect of disturbing ,1
decisions. If these warehouses were part and POO
Ft dwelling-house, he did not see how any distinctiooo
be made in respect of them, and if they were eeP
they would be exempt by the Act itself..
Sir DE LACY EVANS would not press his re •
don to a division.
The clause was then negatived without a diviei°l/'
The preamble of the Bill having been agreed
House resumed, and the Cnairman reported the /3
the House.
The third reading was fixed for to-morrow (Teel
WOODS AND FORESTS BILL. ee
The House then went into Commi.tee on this ra''
Clauses 5 to 10 were agreed to with amendinaot!it,
Clauses 11, 12,13, 14, referring to the appointe';(,
a deputy surveyor and au itinerant surveyor, Ss
to a desultory conversation, as to whether they ahoeeo
retained or expunged. They were ultimately egg
with amendments.
On clause 15, which provides that the Home Bosun
the President end Vice-President of the 1310
trade shall be ex officio teommisaioners of wor"
public buildings, . it
Lord DUNCAN urged the propriety of ouritfit);
clause altogether after the experience they' had I
the mode in which the works at the new Houses ofi
liawent were carried on, and that the Chief 00
sinner should have an undivided responsibility. ee
'The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUD'p
that this clause was Inserted in the Bill anerelY did
vent an hiatus in the board, and was 'net wee
any way to shift the responsibility from 00
Commissioner.
The clause was agreed to.
On clause 16,
Lord DUNCAN asked if it was intended ~ev4t/
Commissioners to pay their legal advisers by eel'
by bills of costs ?
11,
Lord SEYMOUR replied that, undotthtedek
opinion was, that the solicitors both of woods
public works should be paid by salaries...4lloo4dd
The clause was agreed to, as were also the "
ing clauses to the 21st inclusive.
On clause 22 being proposed, lt;
Lord DUNCAN asked it the estimates for thd
would be submitted to the House at the same One
other expenses of the parks ? t
Lord SEYMOUR replied that there were two Id •
of Itetges, and that the park-keepers' lodges wrio
included in the estimates; but that with regard '
other lodges, which were held by grace and fel of
the Crown, the external repairs would be paid 01,1•
the land revenues of the Crown, and thee-intern
pairs by the parties occupying. ef•
TRELAWNY understood there were
lodges in the various parks, and especially
froximate to the metropolis, whiter would let t°l;
MOW) sums of money ; and he wished to Ito°,dil
It was had the power of appointing persons to hol
lodges ?
Lord SEYMOUR said that it was the Crowo.l)
Mr. TRELAWNY was ,of opinion tbat, PO et,'
having granted a civil list in exchange for the oa
lends, these lodges were public property, and
therefore to be let and included in the estimate.'
Mr. SLANEY contended, that the power of ord
ing to these lodges was reserved to the Crown 1•1°;
arrangement of the civil ,list, and that this poWd.
been exercised in a discreet and commendable we
Lord SEYMOUR—When the Crown properkel.
surrended for the civil list, it was not intended I;e0
power to make these appointments should be IV •
also. •
• Itf°j°.
Lord DUNCAN had no objection to her 101'
placing in the lodges whom she pleased; but trbioer
park-keepers' lodges were included in the 010 e
did object to the other class of lodges, occupied bye,
and favour of the Crown. being patd for out of t
revenaes of the Crown, which were not subMitt,eof
House of Commons. He saw no reason what°
the distinction. oeed
The clause was agreed to, as also were the sue
clauses up to 35 inclusive.
On clause 36. eV'
L rd SEYMOUR proposed to strike out tiliej I
for the pu, pose of subst•tuting another resptcw)
audit of accounts.
After some desultory conversation, is the c°-
worder
DUNCAN complained that the annual
of the Commissioners of Woods and Ferealetd
ought to have been laid upon the table by the "oo`•
June, had not yet been produced, and he oleo=
that on the report of this Bill he should move el
the future the annual report should be peeducedel) ,
earlier period of the session—about the 30th of
The clause was then struck out.
gob'
'-
Clauses 37 and 38 were agreed to, and the
and the
_preamble were passed.
The House then resumed, and th°'
The CHAIRMAN having reported progress,
port was ordered to be brought up on Friday.
THE NEW HOUSE OF commoNo• d''.
Sir D. NORREYS moved that the architect
New Palace at Westminster be requested to lei,
the Bowie forthwith a report in detail on the 000'
which be would recommend that the interior decoof
0f the new House of Commons, and of the bad
rooms connected with it, should be completed; I'9o' '
he be directed to prepare his piens with due att°l3,4o°''
the style of decoration usually adopted at the 11;00, •'
which the general architectural character' fr
palace is referable. It was a most unsatisfactorlbt
that matters should remain in the position in avhiesto •
at present were. His Honourable Friend the ;00
for Westminster had brought forward a- 10.,/.0011
that subject; but all he did. was to call the' uto'ie
the House to the state of things which now e J '
which he could not but say was as unsatisfactory
could be. Mr. Greene had said he did not beliegee
Mr. Barry understood what were the desires and t!.
of the Commissioners. His Hon. Friend's pro, I
co
was, that the House of Commons are anxious to ere
new building finished as soon as possible. Tbeesti
been so many blunders, however, committed betty
Commissioners, the House of Commons, and Dir.lesi
in that matter, that the less was said about it theed •
All be asked was for them to call upon the arebel'
state how he would recommend the Horse to be 6010vIe0
and if they agreed to that proposition, to order
ed
proceed with it. He concluded, therefore, by
the resolution of which he had given notice. Jet
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
$d
any further interference on the part of the 'Ol
with the new building, having appointed a Corot?,
to inquire into the matter last year. He be!' 00
great improvement had been effected by that Coble
Bien. Be. understood the Members would be gl
have a few morning sittings before the session risB
in the new House, and that would give them f
practical knowledge of the state of the new Iloilo I
any report which could be furnished.
ro4
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the
goners authorised to take charge of the buildivir,
made any report? There ought to be a atatetneV
of the probable expense of the work, and the "
might be boilDpi4.ted in. lleli
Sir DE LACY EVANS entreated the Chaece.!
the Exchequer to take that matter into his aerie!to
sideration, and not allow it to be postponed for 01:e ,
finite period. Some plan ought to be adopted. "„I,l'
Government and the Commissioners in coujunctiee;
they should decide upon seeing that plan proper
Tied into execution. ti
Mr. GREENE believed the Commissioners war to,
carrying out the wishes of the House with reseen, e
new building in the most effective manner. They ci
„eto
soon have an ippr!unity in the course of ti 7.$
sitting ef autiafe tag themaelves whetbera or
wishes were carried out. Ho hoped what had bte;3
would be found to be satisfactory. and that SO