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thought, be very cautious how they entrusted. Much had
been said of the vast degree of patronage heretofore pos
sessed by the East India Company in China ; but he had
no hesitation in saying the present Bill gave to the King's
Government for the time being the power of creating
quite as much, if not more, of that power than the Com-
pany ever possessed. Then, with respect to the clause
which provided for the expenses of the proposed esta-
blishment, he confessed that his objections had not been at
all removed by the alteration proposed by the Noble Lord.
At the lowest calculation the annual amount of the duties
proposed to be levied would be 87,5001., all of which it
was evidently contemplated should be divided among the
three or four persona who were to exercise the consular
power of Great Britain at Canton. Surely such a sum
could not be necessary for that purpose. Why, it was
within 13,000/. of the whole amount of the estimates for
consular charges during the last year. If the system of
defraying consular charges by fees was under any circum-
stances to be defended it unquestionably was most inap-
plicable at the present moment to the trade with Chiva.
The charge of 1/. per cent. ad valorem on goods, whether
exported or imported, was fully equal to a charge of 2/. per
cent. on the imports : and when he assured their Lord-
ships that the proposal of the Noble Lord would take off at
least 20/. per cent. on the possible profits of the per-
sons engaged in trade, be thought be was fully justified
in asserting that the present condition of the commerce
engaged in the China trade could not bear the
additional pressure this Bill would impose. He ob-
jected to the establishment of a Court of Justice at Can-
ton. The Bill proposed that the superintendenta should
not be permitted to traffic for either their own benefit or
for the benefit of any other person. But he confessed be
could not see how it would be possible to prevent them
from doing so, vim. putting forth another person as the
nominal merchant. He was unwilling to allude to a very
painful and very disgusting case of recent occurrence, but
that case proved how susceptible human nature was to
disregard principles of honour, and even the approbation
of one's friends, when personal aggrandisement came into
question. And with such a case before them, he asked,
what security was there that the provision against traffick-
ing by superintendents could be enforced ? The Noble
Lord concluded by stating he had no objection to the Bill
going into Committee, at the same time that he felt bound
to assert it was a measure which never ought to have
been sent up to that House from the House of Commons.
(Hear.)
The Duke of WELLINGTON thought the Legislature
would be proceeding on a mistake if they supposed they
had any right to appoint Commissioners to reside at Can-
ton for the management of the trade. It was true a
British Factory had been for some time time established at
Canton ; but even that body, notwithstanding the im-
portant position they occupied, were never allowed to re-
side there more than the few months that the British
shipping generally visited it. With respect to the esta-
blishment of Courts of Justice he doubted very much
whether, unless a specific permission from the Chinese
Government was previously obtained, it would be possible
to carry the provisions of the Bill in that respect into
operation.
After a few words in reply from Lord AUCKLAND,
The House went into Committee on the Bill.
On the first clause being proposed,
Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved a proviso limiting
the penalties to which masters of vessels and supercargoes
shall be liable under the Bill to 500/.
Lord AUCKLAND objected to the amendment as un-
necessary, and it was negatived.
Upon the clause appointing superintendents,
Lord ELLENBOROUGH moved that the word " two"
be substituted fur " three," and that the words "or more"
be struck out.

The LORD CHANCELLOR agreed in thinking three
enough, and would agree to the words "notexceeding three"
being introduced; and that amendment was agreed to.
Lord ELLENI3OROUGH objected to the power given
to his Majesty to appoint superintendents at ports in China
other than Canton.

The LORD CHANCELLOR consented to an alteration
which !net the wishes of the Noble Baron.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH, upon the clause authorising
the jurisdiction of the superintendents over the crews of
merchant vessels, wished to give the superintendent the
same power and authority over the crews of private mer-
chant ships i❑ the port of Canton as that possessed by any
officer over the crews of his Majesty's ships. His object
was to establish a maritime discipline, without which he
thought great danger to the interruption of the trade would
arise.

Earl GREY thought the power to be so given would
be too great unless a great nece•sity were shown. He
thought the Court might be invested with a summary
power in such cases sufficient for all the objects of main-
taining order in the crews.
The Duke of WELLINGTON apprehended that they
had no power to legislate for the jurisdiction of the Court
at Canton, which could only hold its powers under the
sufferance of the Chinese Government. One of the su-
perintendents was to be a naval officer, and he could see
twenty means of preserving order among the crew of mer-
chant ships without giving him jurisdiction in the ships
while in port.
An amendment proposed by Lord ELLENBOROUGH,
substituting "a Court" for• " Courts," i❑ the jurisdiction
clause, was agreed to.
Lord AUCKLAND moved an amendment limiting the
tonnage duty to a rate not exceeding 59. per ton, or 10s.
for every 1001. value on goods.
The House then resumed, and the Report of the Bill
was ordered to be received to-morrow.
BANK CHARTER BILL.
Upon the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, the
Bank Charter Bill was read a first time, and the second
reading fixed for Thur,day.
The Cholera Prevention Bill, brought up from the
Commons, was read a first time.
Several other measures were advanced a stage, and the I
House adjourned.

MINORITY
On Mr. Hume's Amendment before the Speaker leaving
the Chair—That it be an instruction to the Committee
on the Bill that they have power to provide for the
repaymmt of the money to be advanced tinder the
authority of the Bill, provided the amount shall not be
repaid by the persons entitled to receive the tithes in
the manner directed by the Bill, by making the amount
that shall remain due chargeable on the funds arising
from the Temporalities of the Church of Ireland.
For the amendment (Tellers included)
Against it
Majority
In the House
ENGLAND. ENGLAND.
Aglionby, A.—Cockermouth Torrens, Col.—Bolton
Attwood, Thos.—Birmingham Tynte, C. J. K.—West Somer.
limes, T.—Plymouth setshire
Blamire, William—East Cum. Walter, John—Berkshire
berland Williams, G.—Ashton
Briggs, It.—Halifax Wood, G. \V.—Lancashire
Broekiehurst, J.—Macclesfield Young, G. F.—Tynemouth
Brotherton, Joseph—Salford
Clay, %V.—Tower Hamlets SCOTLAND.
Cobbett, Wm.—Oldham Hallyburton, D. G.—Forfarsh,
Divett, a—Exeter Maxwell, J.—Lanarkshire
Ellis, W.—Leicester
Ewart, Wm.—Liverpool
Fielden, John—Oldham
Grote, Geo. —London
Harvey, D. %V.—Colchester
Heathcoat, J.—Tiverton
Humphery, J.—Southwark
Lamont, Norman—Wells
Lloyd, J. H.—Stockport
Morrison, J.—lpswich
Parrott, Jasper—Totness
Philips, M.—Manchester
Potter, H.—Wigan
Pryme, G.—Cambridge
Robinson, G. R.—Worcester
Ftomilly, J.—Bridport
Scholefield J.—Birmingham SHUT OUT.
Thompson, Ald.—Sunderland Dykes, F. L. B. —Cockerrnouth
Todd, J. Ruddell—Honiton Ruthven, Ed.—Kildare
MINORITY
Of Nineteen, who, at a Quarter past 2 o'clock on Tuesday
morning, voted for Mr. Blake's amendment in the 33d
clause, to make the expenses for putting the measure
in operation chargeable on the Temporalities of the
Irish Church.
For the amendment l9
Against it 49
Majority
In the House . .....• * ""' 68

IRELAND.
,Blake, M. J.—Galway Co.
O'Dwyer, A. C.—Drogheda
Vigors, N. C.—Carlow
Wallace, T.—Carlow

I TELLERS.
flume, Joseph—Middlesex
Warburton, H.—Bridport

PAIRED OFF.

flail, Benjamin—Monmouth
ITooke, W.—Truro
(Sinclair, G.—Caithness-shire

ENGLAND.
Aglionby, H. A —Cockernaouth
Brocklehurst, J.—Macclesfield
Brotherton, J.—Salford
.Divett, Edward—Exeter
Evans, Colonel—Westminster
Fielden, John—Oldham
Grote, George--London
Hume, J.—Middlesex
Lloyd, John—Stockport
Warburton, H.—Bridport

O'Ferrall, R. M.Kildare
O'Reilly, W.—Dundalk
Ruthven, E. S.—Dublin
,Sullivan, Richard—Kilkenny
Vigors, N. A.Carlow
Wallace, T.—Carlow

IRELAND.
O'Dwyer, A. C.—Drogheda