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London, England, 1851-07-15 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

(THIS DA Y.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER volt the Gmair at Twelve o'clock.
The Such Holland Drainage Act Amendment Bill Oil
rea(l a hecoud time, and o, d. red to be committed.

Ph I I I lONS.
Several petitions .ere d in favour of mind-
ing 'the Cry atm! P4llep into► a wintt-r gcdwn.

THIRD READINd.i.
The Tit,lawful Oaths 131,1 (Ireland) was read a third
time and nassed.
The Turnpike Roads (Ireland) Bill was read a third
time arid las,ed.
The Private Lunatic Asylums (Ireland) Bill was read
a third time and peasel.
The Torripika Acta Continuance Bill was read
third time and passed.
HARWICH ELECTION.
Mr. DEEDES brought up the repo. t of the Harwich
ti Elecon Committee, declaring that the sitting Wrabe?
t.-
Mr. Crawford had not been (July eleetyd, and pat the
last eleetton was v-id.
COUNTY COURTS FUR FILLR EX rENsiozi

BILL.
The House then went into Committee on this ill'
Mr. BERNAL in the chair.
Clauses up to 9 inclusive were agreed to with son:
slight amenaments. Clause 10 was postponed. Claw)
11 and 12 were agreed to.
On cause 13 being proposed,
The A rTORNEY-GENERAL informed the el
mittee that the attorneys had entered into a wide-14180
confederacy to prevent barristers practising in "led
courts. Now this clause relate dto this very subject, !Ina
as he was anxious to see the bar protects d 461%,
such conspiracies, he was desirous of moving an amen
ad.
d
went on this clause. It was not the highest class
attorneys who practise in these courts. He quite',
witted that it was essential that justice should be ;
ministered in these courts as cheap as possible, but
practice of excluding tan bar did not indtue a systemt
economy, beceiuse the Act of Parliament specified la:
fees to be paid to counsel, and tho,e fees the atta9
rs
claimed, although he had not had the assileance
gentleman at the bar. It was of the last degree of 117-i
portance, that the advocate practising in these Cour
should be men of standing and ability.—(Hear,
Now an attorney could not be supposed Aff,
p form the twofold character of attorney and Its,
vocate with efficiency, and it was fur the inter°,,i''
of the public and the profession tbat the labour 007,
be divided in these courts, as it was in the superior ecari
of Westminster. He, there'ore, hoped the clause
be so amended that the bar should not be exclude;
from practising in these courts, but that where a pane
decided to have his cause advocated by a barrister, g"
attorney should have power to retain one. Of
Mr. FIIZROY had no objection to meet the vie
the Learned Attorney-General as far as it was Prac
cable, but he disputed many of the arguments whieb sdo
Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad urged in hoar.;
his proposal. He objected to give an exclusive audier"a
to the bar. No difficulty had hitherto been felt
allowing attorneys to practise as advocates in 010/
courts, and he could see no reason why one branch
the profession should be favoured more than another.
.0.
a client wished his attorney to act as his advocate,
House had no right to interfere so as to prevent big e-;
joyieg that privilege, and he should certainly resist a„l
proposal which would have that effect. He was a‘ f
loss to understand what was the distinct propositioncl
the Learned Attorney-General. If it was dm, the gw,en,
should have an exclusive audience, ho should feel itro
be his duty to take the sense of the Committee u 0011„
but it, on the other hand, it wa• only to give the elicit
the alternative of employing counsel, he should teak.
objection to it.
Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND said this was a scrag'
ale between cheap and deur justice.—(Haar, hear.) rbe
courts of Westmlus'er looked upon these cheap col
courts with jealous eyes, and they wished to curtail WI.
functions as much as possible. The courts of West
minster, however, had themselves to blame, for W"'„,
they enjued the monopoly of administering justice thvoi
refused to reduce their fees or to reform their technical':
ties in pleading, and eventually- the public had a"
alternative but to come to Parliament for redress. Tbgl
was an old saying, tnat wh. n certain people fell ea
honest men got their due. Now this was a quarrel be:
tween the attorney aid the lawyer, and he hoped t"k
upshot would be in favour of the public At all evet)."
:'
he trusted the Committee would not give an exclusive
audience to the bar.

The AT fORNEY GENERAL said what be Plc
posed was that the client should be allowed to let bl.
attorney plead his cause, but in all cases where inetb:i
advocate was required the attorney should be compelled
to call in the assistance of a barrister.
Mr. HENLEY was willing to be guided in decidiei
the question by the opinion of the Hon. and Leer° .
Attorney-General. He was quite ready to agree to
clause which should give the barrister and the attoreii
a clear stage and no favour. He had no objection, VI;
ever, to give the client the alternative suggested by
Hon. and Learned Attorney-General; but at the BP":
time ho was free to confess that he should have bee:
much better satisfied had the field been left open to.,e'
Mr. HUME concurred with the Honourable Genue;
man who had just eat tiara, that there ought to be
favour shown to either side. No men ought to be fool
to rstein a barrister if be satisfied with the *Will
of his a.torney. _

E. DENISON tho::ght the suggestion of tlB
Honourable and Learned Attorney-General would gi"
rise to great inconvenience, and for his part he was die'
posed to throw the field open to attorneys as well as t°
barristers. It would be of great advantage to there
courts and the public, if a regular attendance of chef*,
could be secured in all of them. There ought to be °ll
favouritism shown to either aide, but the parties shoe'
have a right to go either to an attorney or a barrister. ,
Mr. FRESHFIELD said it was hopeless to think 01
securing the attendance of a respectable bar in the°
courts unless advocates were placed on en equal footing
with the attorneys.
The SOLICI ['OR-GENERAL objected to the pls°
proposed by the Hou. Member fur Oxtordshire, 'pato°
it would introduce a third class into the profmsion, 9,11
would be neither attorney nor barrister, but a sort 0
advocating attorney.
Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR said, as ho had take°
the attorneys and solicnot s peculiarly under his protte"
tion, perhaps the Committee would allow him to slif
a few words upon the subject. He had no doubt
that Westminster Hall was exceedingly sorry Os/
County Courts had ever been established at all, and 11
could not consent to the proposal that if a party require
to Beek the advocacy at some other person besides his
attorney he should be compelled to seek that person fit
the bar. He would rather see the propos.' of bijs
Honourable Friend ,he Member for Oxford adopted, BD°
it it came to a division he should certainly vote for it.
I'he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said'
what the Goverumeu, proposed was this—ao far as tb°
old jur6dietion of these courts was concern( d, a pail
ahouui be allowed to rmploy a barrister through
jusrptlitli,nght fi
ivabout to be rate'
ace
ht:s,,attotronetyh.,e
new it he o but in re.
Wshed, a porty sh.,uld be !divvied to appeal
either by attorney or a hirristec, or any oth.-r person
who should be .pp ovtd of by the judge of the court.
Mr. ANS IEY said in the culoutes the practice pre'
veiled of instruettng att. rn. y us advocate, through 0
attorney ; and the rentlt of it had been the utter de
*true:ion of tne bsr. N,,w, he was afraid the same ea'
sequence would follow if it were adopted here and be
should therefore protest against its being sanctioned bi
the Bill.

Mr. CARDWELL said, what the Committee wantei
to do was this, that the pour suitor should not be ear
pelled to employ an advocate if he did not think fit; that
he should be allowed to employ an attorney or a barrio'
ter, or whomsoever he pleased, providieg he had the
sanction of the judge, and be would therefore iugg"
that they adopt a simple clause which should revs,"
the provision in the old Act relating to the employment
of the bar, and give the suitor the power which by bed
attempted to explain.
that the party should eat-
pthl
neyeao tonal
itst et
eer,
iri,aosultbtihit % intervention of an attorneys
Mr. J. EVANS said, as he understood the wish of
and he for spproved of the proposal; of course,
liberty
ti
it
so
t or.
any
other person, to
with the additional provis that the party should be At
plead
ccamze lloyfthought attorney,
(LEFT SITTING.)

THE GREAT EXHIBITION.—Yesterday 2,957/. 86.
s received at the doors of the Crystal Palace, which wo
was recejed at the doors of the Crystal Palace, which wø
i,ited by 62,694 persona.
The stoppage of the Misars. Rslph and Risk, with
liabilities a ated at 60,0001., took place at Liverpool on Fa.
turday. They were engaged in the Medit.rranean trade,
and had also been importers of sugar. In London, likewise,
a failure has taken place, the firm being that of Messrs.
Bath and Mavrogordato, Greek merchants, whose liabilities
are understood to be small.
The Earl and Countess of Kentnare have 1.41
Belgrave-square, for hie Lordship's romantic seat, near Kil-
larney.

The Right Hon Sir George Grey, who has been
for some days indisposed at his mansion in Eaton place, was
better yesterday.
IRE TkA TRADE, JUL! 14.—The deliveries of
tea last week were larger in the metropolis, being 662,0901 b.

BIII7'HS-.-
OF A 80N.

On the Ilth inst., at CAvendiBi4quare, the lady of George
Burrows, M.D.

On the llth inst., at Bentinck-street, Manchester-square.
,he wife of Dr. Sievekiog.