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London, England, 1856-12-09 00:00:00

and authority of the Right Hon. the Lord Mayor for
the lise of his name
Mr. Barber—We have of the preceding Lord Mayor.
Sir R. W. Carden—That is not the Lord Mayor.
Mr. Barber—We have not seen the present Lord
May
Sit R. W. Carden—Have you the authority of the
present Lord Mayor to use his name as the president of
this institution ?
Mr. Barber--We waited upon him for that purpose,
and we were to appoint another deputation to see him.
Sir R. W. Carden—Have you the authority of the
Lord Mayor for the use of his name ?
Mr. Barber—We have not, neither have we used it.
Here is our report, which we have withheld publishing
until we obtain the Lord Mayor's consent, which, I
believe, we shall.
Sir R. W. Carden—l have seen an advertisement in
the Times, three days ago, in which the Right Hon. the
Lord Mayor is represented as the president of this insti-
tution ; and you know that the Lord Mayor, so far from
approving of the step you have taken, has distinctly
refused to lend his name to the institution in any way.
Mr. Barber—l do not know it, sir.
Sir R. W. Carden—l have the authority of the Lord
Mayor himself for saying that the application had been
made to him, and that he had refused to have anything
to do with the institution.
Mr. Barber—l am sorry at hearing such a statement
from you, sir, as the advertisement you speak of was
sent to the Times before our application to the Lord
Mayor, and it has been held over by the limes. No
advertisements have been issued since our application.
Sir R. W. Carden—But the advertisement has not
been held over for a whole month ?
Mr. Barber—Oh, certainly not, sir.
Sir R. W. Carden—Then the Lord Mayor has been
in office now just a month.
Mr. Barber—l believe we shall have his lordship's per-
mission.
Sir R. W. Carden—And I believe his lordship, when
he gave his positive denial, had good reasons for doing so.
Mr. Barber—Really, sir, it grieves me more than all
else to hear such remarks from the bench. There is some
mistake about the use of the Lord Mayor's name, which
can be satisfactorily explained.
Mr. Potter—l have passed and repassed this institu-
tion, and never saw anything going on except Mr. Bar-
ber's chaise, which was usually drawn up in front of the
door. There was also a large quantity of books, which
had been given to the institution, but I cannot say what
has become of them. With regard to the accuracy of
the statement I made I will call the inspector, who
lives opposite, and the policeman on the beat, to corrobo-
rate everything I have asserted.
Mr. Barber—There are some books, which I lend to
the inmates to read.
Sir R. W. Carden—ls it true that 'arge parcels of
books have been presented to the institution ?
Mr. Barber —Not large parcels, sir.
Mr. Chambers—About three years agol gave 101. or
151. worth of books to the lending library,
Mr. Barber—Those books consisted of the educational
course only. I wish these statements bad been made to
me personally, as the books and maps are all there, and
to be seen.
Mr. Potter—Since my statement Mr. Barber called
on me and said that as I had done all I could to shut up
his shop, he would do all he could to shut up mine.
Mr. Barber—What I said was this, "that you had
done all you could to close the institution, and that I
would be the means of closing your shop, as I intend
bringing an action against you in one of the superior
courts.
Sir R. W. Carden—ls there any one present who
knows anything about the library ? How many volumes
have you, Mr. Barber ?
Mr. Barber—l have 250 volumes.
Sir R. W. Carden—Let the inspector, who lives
opposite, state what he knows of thislinstitetion.
Inspector Cole—l have lived opposite ham the com-
mencement of the institution to the prevent time, and it
is the general opinion of the neighbourhood that it is
worse than useless. The greatest number of persons
who apply there daily go away without relief, and many
that have been relieved have been fed with food, which I
have tested, that is not fit to feed pigs with, I have re-
marked that shortly before Christmas every year there
has been great activity evinced in the institution, and
immediately after Christmas such activity bas entirely
ceased, and I have drawn my own conclusions from it
accordingly. I have had charges at the nation-house
against persons connected with that institetion arising
out of disagreements among its promoters. On one oc-
casion Mr. Cochrane .charged Mr. Barber with an of-
fence which lam not prepared now to mention. The
successors charged their predecessors with secreting the
goods supplied by the butcher and baker in other parts
of the building than those in which they should have
been found. The class of persons congregating there
are a disgrace to the persons causing them to come there,
and when they get relief they do not consider it worth
their acceptance.
Sir R. W. Carden (to Mr. Barber)—What do you get
as secretary ?
Mr. Barber-1001. a-year, but I have not received
anything for the last two years.
Sir R. W. Carden—Then you pay the met of these
premises on your own responsibility, and do not even
get the 100/. a-year in return.
Mr. Barber—l do a large business as a merchant,
which I depend upon, having turned as much ks 9,000/.
within the last 12 months. The West London Union is at
the back of a!f this, and Mr. Potter has been ohosen to
bring the matter forward, and that will comeout in a
superior court.
Sir R. W. Carden—le the policeman on the beat pre-
sent?
William Mobbs, 265, said—l am the constable on that
beat, and have frequently observed that there is a certain
set of characters who infest the entrance to the institu-
tion, and when the destitute poor apply for relief they
are driven away by the regular frequenters. I have had
as many as 30 cards at one time delivered tome by
strangersfrom the country who had receive earth from
subscribers, and been driven away from the docile on
applying for relief, by these characters.
Mr. Horsley—l wish, Sir Robert, that you world go
down at once, and inspect the quality of the food, for I
have tasted it and found it very good. I am, therefore,
able to give a positive denial to the inspector's %ate-
ment.
Inspector Cole—When I tasted the food it was net fit
to eat.
Mr. Horsley—l speak for myself.
Inspector Cole—And I for myself.
Mr. Barber—lt is an annual custom, the appointment
of the Lord Mayor as president ; but nothing had been
issued in the matter until sanctioned by him, and toe
use of the Lord Mayor's name is quite a mistake.
Sir R. W. Carden said it was no mistake, as the Lord
Mayor's name appears as the president, not only without
his knowledge or consent, but against his express desire,
Mr. Barber—The fact is our institution is a reflectiot
on the West London Union, because people who have
been refused parish relief come to us, and that ie the
reason that the West London Union has endeavoured
by every means to injure the institution.
Sir. Re W. Carden—l cannot allow such a statement
as that to be made ; as, from my own experience in cases
brought under my notice, I know that on no occasion bas
Mr. Phillips refused relief when applied for, if needed ;
and I will undertake to say that any person !leaking
application to the workhouse, or the magistrate of the
district, will meet with every attention, and have ne
occasion to go anywhere else for relief.
William Mobbs, 263—1 have taken many from the
institution to the union for relief, but Itnuetvoenr. knew of
any one going from the union to the insti
I have held the
Mr. Phillips—l will defy Mr. Barber or any one else
to accuse me, during the two y
office, of having been guilty ofm
nreearslect of duty in the
slightest degree. .gMartin (the Chief
Clerk) and the courtappwehaethteor a single complaint has
been proved against
me, and whether I ever refused
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relief to any one sent from this court. (Mr. Martin,
confirmed this.) In reference to the dormitory being
given up on the appointment of the new relieving officer,
I must say that he bad nothing to do with it. When I
became master of the union I found that the old men
who slept in the dormitory were saturated in their beds
in at all parts of the roof, and I there-
by the rain coming
fore made arrangements for taking them all into the
house, where they now are. Mr. Barber was spoken to
about it; but took no steps to improve the condition of
the roof of the dormitory.
Mr. Barber---The West London Union want these
premises, and that is the reason they are trying to shut
up the institution, and if I would have taken 801. instead
of 1201. a year for the dormitory, you would have heard
nothing of this complaint.
Mr. Phillips—We do not want the premises, as we
have taken others in Smithfield.
Sir Re W. Carden—l believe Sir Fitzroy Kelly sin-
cerely repents the first subscription he ever gave to this
institution, for it has subjected him to a great deal of
annoyance.
Mr. Barber—That is not the case, sir, as Sir Fitzroy
Kelly has not only given 5001. at the outset, but he
has
since given 1001. a year ; and at the dinner in March
last, in aid of the funds of the institution, he gave a
subscription of 51.
Mr. Potter—As one of the committee, I beg to say
that I opposed the proposition of engaging the room
in
the institution.
Mr. Barber —Why, it was only last week I met the
chairman of the union, and he asked me what he would
take for the room.
A missionary here described the class of persons re-
lieved at the institution as thieves, prostitutes, and
vagrants.
Mr. Horsley—Why, that is the very class we profess
to relieve, and reclaim if possible
Sir R. W. Carden—I cannot allow' this discussion to
go any further. It has already occupied too much of
the time of the court.
Mr. Horsley—Notwithstanding all that has been said,
I still believe it to be a most worthy institution, or I
should not-be connected with it.
Sir R. W. Carden—It may become so, if you look to
it more yourself.
Mr. Barber—Will you come and visit the institution ?
Sir R. W. Carden—Net after the description of the
company that visits you. (Laughter.) Let this matter
end here, and I think the public will be able to judge,
from what has transpired to-day, of the merits of the
Samaritan Institution.

MUNIFICENT DONATIONS.—Sir Hugh Hoare, of Lil-
lingstone Love), last week transmitted a check for 1,0001.
to the treasurer of the Bucks Infirmary, at Aylesbury.
The worthy baronet some time since also distributed
to the medical charities in Wilts and Soraersetshire
2,0001., and sent 100 guineas to the Medical Benevolent
College, which has been established for decayed medical
men, their widows and orphans, and which is now in
full operation at Epsom. The Hon. P. S. Pierrapont,
of Evenly-hall, a few weeks ago sent 1,0001. to the Nor-
thampton Hospital, as a contribution on his birthday.--
oxfw•d Journal,.