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TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14, 1802.

EAST INDIA HOUSE,

November 24, is..
THE COURT of DIRECTORS' of the
UNITED COMP ANY of MERCHANTS of
.ENG-
LAND trading to the East Indies, do hereby give Notice, _
That they are ready to receive Proposals, in Writing, at aiy
time on or before FRIDAY, the 31st December next, from any
Persons who may be willing to BUILD SHIPS, of about Roo
Tons Earthen, to be Let on Freight for the said Company's Ser;
vice for Six Voyages certain.
The Tenders with the words " Ship Tender't on the cover, to
be severally sealed Up, and left with the Secretary, at or before
Twelve &Clock at Noon on Friday, the said 3 tst December next,
beyond which hour hot agy Tender Will be received.

IVILLIA M RAMSA Y, Sec,

The particulars of the principal_ dimensions and scantlings, also
an Inventory of the principal Stores, the Copy of the usual Charter
!'arty, as an outline, with the ohter Terms and Conditions on which
ti:e Ships are to be tendered, and entertained in the Company's
Service, also the Draft conformably to which the Ships are to be
Built, may be seen on application to Air. fames Coggar, Clerk
to 66?Conimittee of Shipping, on or after Teterday, the 3oth Inst.

EAST INDIA HuLls
December to, iSoz.
•
THE COURT of DIRECTORS of the UNITED
1 COMPANY of MERCHANTS of ENGLAND trading
to the East Indies, do hereby give Notice,
That they will be ready to receive Proposals in writing, at any
time on or before WEDNESDAY, the 29th instant, from such
Persons 'who may be willing to LET good COPPER BOTTOM-
ED SHIPS, of the burthen of from sjo Tons and upwards,
Builders measurement, for the said Company's Service, for one
Vgage only.
The Tenders, with the words " Ship Tender" on the cover,
to be severally sealed up, and left with the Secretary, at or• before,
Twelve o'clock at Noon, on the said z9th instant, beyond which
hour not any Tender 4 will be received. •

WILLIAM RAMSAY, Sec.

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HOUSE OF PEERS.

MONDAY, DECEMBER 13.

"Coo s t. were farther heard relative to the Scotch Ap
peal, Lord KINNAIRD MATTHXWSON, viz. Mr.
NOWLAN at considerable length on the part of the Respon-
dent. After which their Lordships deferred the fartlfer
Hearlng till To-morrow.
Mr. AL F.XANIAR accompanied by Lord TEMPLE and se-
veral other Members, presented the Pension and Personal
Estates and Duties Bill. The Annual Indemnity, the x-
chequer•Bills Bill, and the Malt Tax Bill.
One Private Bill was brOtig,ht up by 'Lord TEMPLE.
On the question for the first reading of the Malt Tax
Bill being put
A short explanatory conversation, between Earl SPENCER
aad Lord PELHAM arose, in consequence of the former Peer
expressing his wish to know when the latter intended to
move for the second' reading of the Bill in question : the
observations' of those Noble Lords principally turned on
points of Order and Form, with respect to Bills of a similar
description with that now before the House, and the Rules
which should guide the conduct of individual Peers, with
respea to moving particular. stages of Bills. In the course
ofihis explanation Lord PE/. If A M said it was his intention,
did their Lordships think proper to -require an immediate
first reading of the Bill, to lose no time in proposing the se-
cond reading ; but, however,' he had no objection to meet
the Noble Earl on the topics he seemed to allude tor either on
the present or any future stage of the Bill; and Lord SPSN-
•cza concluded by stating, that he would take the opportu-
nity afforded by the present question, to state what he should
have to obsertre in the first instance.

On the question for the first reading of the Malt
Tax Bill being regularly put,
Earl SPENCER again rose, and observed, that
with respea to the coursehe was about to adopt re-
lative to the Bill before their Lordships, a variety
of precedents applied, as a reference to the Journals
woulti evince ; the present •was the first Bill of Sup-
ply which was before the House the present' Session.
Ic- was agreed, on all Sides• that the present crisis of
affairs way the most critical and 'momentous ever
known in the history of the Country, and whatever
tended to its illustration, should be regarded with
the most anxious attention.—He understood it to
lie perfealy regular and parliamentary to refer to
ihose various branches of service as matters of dis-
cussion, which had been already voted, and which
were to• be covered by the Supply arising• out
of the Bill in
,question. The situation of the
Country rendered it necessary that those ad-
wintages, for purposes of discussion, should be re-
sorted to. In considering the general subjea, the.
part which struck him, as objeftionable on the part
of Ministers, was the total absence of that informa-
tion, which certainly ought to accompany a propo-
sition to-Parliament, for such a great and unprece-
dented increase of the Establishments. They were
to consider, that the Country was now in a state of
Peace, and that a short interval had elapsed since
the conclusion of War. The House would also re.
coiled,. what the language of Ministers bad been
in former discussions, and the hopes they held forth
of its probable permanence and durability : un.
tier such circumstances, therefore, taking them on
the grounds laid down by Ministers themselves,
he would say.,, that the proposed Establishments
were at such ,a period, totally unprecedented :
and further, it would' appear, from a refer-
ence to the. Journals, that in such periods as the
present no augmentation was ever made to the
Military Establishment without a communication
of .the causes thereof, in some shape or other. In
every instance where such measures were resorted
to, from the Peace of Ryswick to the present mo-
ment, it was' uniformly the praaice. Of this the,

_
Reigns of King William and Queen Anne would
amply furnish instances; but he would particularly
advert to a Speech from the Throne, made by King
GEORGE the' First soon after his Accession, it

was' no great.distance subsequent to the Peace of I,
Utrecht, and particularly stated, that notwith-
standing the ,favourable conclusion of that War,
certain augmentations of the • National Force.
would be necessary, until some measures for the
farther security of Great Britain and its Trade
should be adopted. This was a precedent he
thought More than ordinarily applicable to the
present situation of the Country, and he thought
that his present Majesty would be well warranted
in so addressing his Parliament.—The Noble Earl
contieued, that his objelions by no means went to
the extent of the proposed establishments ; the man-
ner in which they were proposed, and the crcum-
stances attending the proceeding was what he ilisap.
proved of—He thought the verbal declarations of M
nisters no sufficient grounds for Parliament to pro-
ceed upon in the manner required ; nor was there any
thing in the Addresses of the House, on the occasion
of the Treaty, which he thought could justify stich
measures. When he considered the language formerly
held by. Ministers, he was induced to suppose that
some material change must have taken place in the
state, of affairs respeCting which Parliament were
left in. complete ignorance—but the. House should
consider what had been - the pradice on si.
similar occasions in former instances,.and aft accord-.
ingly. In this part of his speech his Lordship al-
luded to the escape of a notorious
.Traitor, respea-
ing whom no vigorous or decisive steps were taken
to bring him to well deserved punishment, through
the apprehension, as it would appear, of offending the
French Government. Nor was this the only in-
stance in which Ministers had failed ; the case of a
worthy and distinguished Naval Officer, who, had
been recently at Paris, furnished another. He
would not then advert to the circumstances of the
latter case ; if what he bad heard respecting is
wris true, he should he incapable of repressing
his indignation. With fesped to the . Bill,
however, he did not mean to oppose its passing
through the present stage., He held it his duty
to take the opportunity allw,ved him ,by the
questio,n then before the House, to throw oct
theie obiervations, and to impress 'upon the
House the rtecessity of pausing at' least until
sOine sarisfadorY'loformation was laid before them

[PRICE SIXPENCE.

on the subjea, and which, he•trasied, would lead
to distinCi_and regular Cornniunications td-Parlia-
ment upon the subjea. With respect to the gcrai
sUbjed, of which the topiEsConneetcd with tte
under consideration made a part; he should reserve
his detailed opinions until a 'fut uk4
.s tag. the Bill.

Lord PELHAM spoke shortly inoosWe.r to kvl;at
had fallen from the Noble Earl. Having beforeassUred
him of his willingness to -.meet him regularly uport
the general schjed, and as the Noble Earl ge,:mrd
inclined to .wave that in the present instance, he.
did not feel it necessary to enter into any detailed
observations on the topics adverted to by his
Lordship. One or two points, however; he.could
not avoid noticiog, one of which he hardly thought
it possible a Peer of the Noble Earl's candour, would
consider in the manner he seemed ro do, namely,
that Ministers in a particular instance could fail in
their duty through any apprehension of offending
the French Government, With respea to this yninti
were the N,ple Earl apprised of the circuinst,:, ces
of-the case; he could not see it irt the point of view
he appeared to do. -A considerable degree ofr
misunderstanding prevailed with respea to that
affair, and Ministers, under all the circumstances of
the case, aced as they thought best became the ho-
nour; and conduced to the service of their Country.;
he was not then prepared (so we understood his
Lordship) to detail all the particulars of the case,
but he was satisfied; that upon inquiry the Go-
vernment would be found to have atted in the way
he mentioned.., With respea to the gallant Of.
ficer, Capt. D'Auvergne, no possible imputation
could rest upon,MiniSters. It was true that he had
been arrested by an Officer of the Police, and for at,
short time confined, in Paris, be; the moment it was
known to the British Minister, application wars
made to the Minister of Foreign Relations, and by
means he was instantly released. He thottglit
it his duty to observe in this manner upon .those -
two points: With respea to the Bill itself, hd
would not repeat his observations in the first in.:
stance, that he'coneeived the uniform .proaice to
be, and principally out of respea to the quarter
whence it came, to give an immediate first reading ;
andi with respea to the topics conneaed. with it,
as a regular opportunity would-on a futore day be
afforded, he deemed it unnecessary at this time to
enter into them.-

The Earl of CARLISLE felt it necessary to offe,e,
a few. observations respelling what had transpired i
the present discussion: It forcibly struck him, when
he compared the present condua of Ministers with
the sentiments they formerly expressed, ,that some
material change must have taken place in their Coun-
cils—the proposed Establishments could never be
thought necessary after a Peace which Ministers
seemed to consider as well wade: however, he wantect
nothing extraordinary or particular from them, not.
withstanding the acknowledged critical situation in
which the Country was placed, but merely to fol-
loW the rules laid down by their ancestors on
similar occasions, and Jte would defy any Noble
Lord to skew where it was proposed to incur any
great additional expence without. accompanying the
proposition by a communication from the Crow n,in
some shape or other.—Speaking of the impolicy of
the Ministerial conduct, he saidr.their concessions,
instead of securing Peace, led to War. The pre_
sent intended augmentation in an early period of
Peace, was beyond all former precedent ; 55,000
men for the Navy, and 130,000 for the Army, which,
together would involve us in an expence little
short of ten millions. This would operate as a se-
vere burthen upon the Country, and when asked as
to the reasons of all this expence, Ministers made
no answer, but referred to circumstances of al.
!edged public notoriety. -*Meeting this last consi-.
deration, he observed,. that no important change had
taken plate since the • Peace, which could 'not well
and.easily have been foreseen previo-usly to that pe-
riod but it seems great stress was laid on the " tone"
and " temper" in which the pacification was conclud-
ed on the part of our adversaries. This consideration
was too futile to be seriously combated : in conclu-
sion, he observed, that if it was with a reference
to the apprehension of impending danger, that those
large Establishments were proposed, let there be a
regular and distin& communication made to Parlia-
ment upon the subje&.
The Duke of NORFOLK seemed to express his
disapprobation of what had fallen from the• two
Noble Earls who spoke first and last,in the debate,
and adverted to the notoriously increased power of
France as a ground for the justification of the present
condua of Ministers.—He thought the Noble Se-
cretary had explained himself with candour, and he
agreed with part of the conduE of Ministers With.
respea to Mr. Tandy, who, however, it was his
opinion ought never to have been tried ; and he
disapproved of the circumstances attending his
arrest, which took place in small Independant
• State, unable to oppose the will of Belligerent
Powers.—Upon the whole, he thought Government
aced wisely in suffering him to go unpunished.
Recurring again to the main point in discussion, he
expressed his hope that Ministers would keep up
the Establishments.

. ?he Earl of LIMERICK expressed his surprize
at the objeettons started by the Noble Lords, at the
proposed Establishments i the reasons for calling for
tho 4 were, he contended, of too.great public noto-
riety-to need adverting to. Their Lordships were
not to be then told, that the whole Continent of
Eurbpe was, in fad, diSjointed, and new-modelled. -
great Britain, was the sole Country which retired
from the lai\^ coolest with undiminished territor,ies,
and an unimpaired Constitution. Would either of
the Noble Earls deny that the Empire of Germany
had been entirely new-modeled. since the Peace ?
That ,our late adversaries had subjected Switzer-
land, and seized upon Piedmont, once the Bulwark

of Italy ; and since that period, had added the ter_
ritory of Parma to their 'dominions. Under
these circumstances, he thought an adequate de.
gree ofconfidence ought to be reposed in Ministers,
in proportion. to the emergency : indeed, those
points he alluded to were so publicly notorious as
to be known to every one who walked the streets.
England, however,. need entertain no fears, but
should adopt a plan of prudent caution. A tub-
jea too contemptible to have many words. wasted
upon it, had by some means crept into the discus-
sion : he alluded to the affair of Tandy ; but what
had taken place with_ respea to him, had no Sort of
reference to 'any., Foreign Power whatever. The
}louse had heard what had 'fallen from the Noble
Secretary of State, hi's rebellious attempts were
well known, but he wished the subje& had been en-
tirely kept out of the discussion; it was too con_
temptible to have either words or time wasted upon
it, and in `the possible contingency of future' opera;
tions, it would be rather advantageous, the French
should employ so useless and iusigniticant a tool.
With regard to the ihstance of Capt. D'Auvergne,
it was otherwise ; but it was to be observed, that
the moment his detention' was known to the King's
iVlinister :',at Paris, application was made,. and that
gallant Officer released. [A loutl_cry of hear ! hear!
from- the Opposition,Lotds.] He was averse from
every thing that would tend again to hurry the
Country into a War with France ; at the sametime,
he saw nothing in the national circumstances.which
slioutd warrant despondency.—With respcl to His
Majesty's present Ministers, in whom he had the
highest confidenee, the peculiar difficulties in which
they were placed on their accession to office, ought
to be candidly remembered ; they had made the best
Peace that, under all the circumstances of the case,
could be obtained : they saw there was no salutary
objea to be attained by continuing the War ; and
they 'saved our finances from farther injury by
Pacification.—They could not possibly aver that
the Peace would be permanent and secure, as that
would depend on the conilud of others as well as
themselves, and, therefore, on those grounds they
were-free from censure.• •
The Earl of CARLISLE spoke shortly in expla-
nation.

Lord GRENVIL-LE observed, that what fell
frona the Noble Lord (LANIER Tex) should always
meet with attention and respea—but before he
proceeded farther, there was one point which he
must observe 'upon, namely, the, impression what
fell from the Noble Secretary. of State.made upon
-the House, and upon the .Noble Lord in particular
' resyeaing the affair .of Capt. D'Auvergne :—On.
this however, had Noble Lords taken the pains to
inform themselves correctly, the result would be dif.
ferent—and he was strongly of opinion, that
the case merited future inquiry.—With, regard
to the case of ,Napper Tandy, he felt it incumbent
on him to say a few words : he widely differed from
the opinion expresied by the Noble Duke, and he
must pointedly deny, that his apprehension at Ham-
burgh was at all contrary to Law. So far from it,
the process was 'strictly conformable to the known
Laws of that City ; and; it was done principally to
shew, that England felt herself as much intitled to
justice in that quarter, and to the benefit of those
Laws, as France experienced in other instances,-
-With 'resped to the question regularly in discussion
before the House, " That the Bill be now read a
first time :" his opinion was, that, under all the
circumstances of the case, the Bill ought not to
be then read. It was the uniform custom of
Parliament, and the custom. of Parliament was the
law of Parliament—" Lex et consuetudo Par-
liamenti," that no great Supplies should be grant-
ed, except for reasons distinaly assigned—this
-would appear on the Journals, and he thought that
the House should pause, and follow the example of
Our ancestors on all 'occasions of large Supply,
'which, if former periods merited their laudable
caution, what must one like the present do, which
was allowed universally to be so alarming and mo.
mentous ?. He combated the idea that it was in-
tended to force improper explanations from Mini-
sters—explanation from them was the present ob-
jed, a distind and regular communication from
the Throne was requisite on such an occasion ;
and speaking of the language which had been
used in the' discussions of, the general subjea,
his Lordship made some allusiOns to what.had been
held in the other House of Parliament, to shew the
inconsistency of those who; maintained opinions con-
trary to those urged from his side of the. House.
They did not now call upon 'Ministers to justify
themselves ; their observations tended to -blame them
for not advising a Royal Communication on the occa.
:aim), and their objea was, by a temporary delay of
the progress of the Bill to afford them anopportunity
of reaifying that omission. In thus observing, he
wished it to be understood that he offered no opi-
nion as to the extent of the proposed Establishments,
'the policy and wisdom of those was entirely rela.
tive : his opinions on this part of the subject, he
would reserve for future opportunities of discus-
tic!: ; _he 'would only observe, that if 130,000
,men
was deemed an adequate number while we retained
Malta and the Cape, 'it would be redundant in case
those Possessions were given up. With reaped to
'these, the conduct of Ministers was notorious ; the
Cape partieufarlY, which they had determined on,
rand afterwards hesitated to surrender—at length the
former measure -was- fatally deterthined, and per-
haps the last orders were ere now executed... The
question asked by his Noble Friend, on what day
it was the Noble Lord's intention to move for the
second reading of the Bill,was not only parliamentary
and regular, but very common. In his own 22 years of
parliamentary experience, he had known such ques-
tions put to the King's Ministers at least Loa times,
• and which he thought should be always answered ;
and he concluded with repeating his observation,
that tinder the present circumstances, the House was
nnr in a situation, according to the Law and Custom
of Parliament, to grant large Supplies.
The LORD CHANCELLOR replied to thelead-
ing arguments of the Peers in, Opposition, with great
ability and at. considerable length. . He agreed
'that the Noble Lord who spoke last had correctly
itated the real question before the House ; at the
same time, it was the general price to. read Bills.
coming from the other House, almost without any
:explanation respetling them; but Noble Lords were
at liberty to use their discretion, and at accord.

ing to their consciences in that respel. r He like.
wise generally agreed with the. Noble Lord'as to
the law and custom. of i'arliament. With resped
to the afrairOf Tandy, which had been mentioned
in the
_Debate, and to what had beon said generally
upon his case; he would remind the House, that he
had been.legally convicted of High Treason, ..and
in considering that point, he must observe to a
Noble Earl, whose high private character and
worth, will always cause what falls from him to'
be attended with respeCl---,though he wished to
make ,the observation in the most respeEfful
manner-possible, that the substance. of his 'obser-
vation on. the case- of Tandy had a tendency
to refled upon-• the admioistration of justice in
this Country, so far frora,,4;hat he had observed
being well founded, that the Noble Earl might as
Well say, the advice he had had the honour of giving
his-Sovereign on Wednesday last, in reference to ,the
disposal of some highwaymen, was influenced by
the fear.of the First Consul of France, as that the
conduCt of Ministers with resped to Tandy was so
influenced. A great deal had been said respecting
the late Treaty of Peace.' On that head, he as well
as othrs, felt like an old Englishman, burits merits
had already been decided on : it was made according
to -the best of the judgments of Ministers. Under
all.the circumstances, they thought it their duty to
conalude' it; but was it not notorious, that the
circumstances of the Continent had been changed,
and the power of France incalculably increas.
ed ? These points should be corisideied in ,refer-
ence to increased Establishments,. the immense
line of Coast possessed by France should also
to be taken into the .calculation. The Noble
and Learned Lord deprecated- the idea of Ministers
being bouod to answer eery question put to them ;
on some occasions, and his Noble Friend would
agree with him in so thinking, it was the duty of
Ministers to be.silent, on others it was as fully in.
cumbent on them to speak out ; and there was no part
of his Noble Friend's Parliamentary conduct, while a
Minister, that he more approved of than that just
disdain with which he was in the habit• of treating
such questions as he alluded to. In such views, his
sincere advice would' be to others, as well as Mi-
nisters, " Go On in the strait line of duty ; be not
diverted from it, and .believe me, my .L.:rds, it will
do you honour at last." Drawing to conclusion,
his Lorship again adverted to the increased power
of France, and the state, of the continent, which
were of undeniable public notoriety, and which
were ample grounds for a circumsped conduCt and
powerful Establishments on the parr of this Coun-
try. It was not, however, he pointedly observed,
so much a, power of going on arming, that was
about to be conferred ,on Ministers, blita reserva-
tion of a power to them of not disarming should
eirtumstances warrant it.

The Earl ;of CARLISLE rose. a third, time, and
addressed their. Lordships, but, was proceeding in
such a line of argument, as induced
Lord CAT II CART, to speak to Order.
_ The Earl of CARL 11. E -and the Lord CHAN-
CE LLOR, severally spoke in 'explanation.
Lord GRENVILLE begged leave just to notice,
a few points_ whicir had fallen from his Noble and'
Learned Friend, and particularly his observatiogf,
with re6ped to improper disclosule on the part of
Ministers. iis remembered with pleasure the
just disdain" with which he had treated impor-
tunities of that kind; but his Noble and Learned
Friend would do him the, justice to recoiled, that
though some questions might be, properly so treated,
all should not.
The LORD CHANCELLOR anti Lord GRENVILLE
afterwards spoke in Explanation.
The question was then put, and the Bill read a
a first time.

With mina to the tittle- of the second reading of
the Bill, a few words in an under-tone of voice took
place between Lords PELHAM, 6•RENVILLB, and
the Noble Lard on the Woolsack ; after which, the
second reading, as we could coned, was fixed for
to-mOrrow.

Lord PELHAM-presented certain Accounts yela_
tine to the, Exportation, &c. of Corn, which were
ordered to be laid on the Table.

Mr. Ow Ew, from the East-India House, present.
ed at the Bar certain Papers and,Documents, pursu-
ant to theirLordships' Address of the 3d inst.
The Bills brought up eroint the Commons, were
then severally. read a first time, and some routine
business-disposed of.
At Nine o'clock their Lordships adjourned till
to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

MONDAY, DEC. 13.

THE Malt Bill was read it third time and
passed.

LOrd.GRANVILLE LEVESON GOWER. presented
a Petition from certain Freeholders,of the County
of Stafford, against the Duties on. Malt imposed by'
an Att of last Session.—Ordered to lie on the
Table. •

The Pension Duty Bill was read a third time
and passed.
The Exchequer Bills Bill was read a third, time
and passed.
Dr. LAWRENCE gave notice, that he should,
on an early day after the Recess, bring forward a
Motion with which the National .Honour was
deeply conne6ed, concerning the Arrest of Capt.
D'Auverane and another Gentleman. in Frahee-;
also respeading the suppression of Letters. written
by them,
Jepresenting their situation to the Bri-
tish Minister. at Paris, respeaing• certain interro-
gatories put to-thexn, for the purpose of obtaining
the Secrets of the King's Government, and re-speCt-
ing.the manner in which they left that Country.

:Lord HAPPICESBURY said, this was rather an
unusual mode of giving notice of a Motion, . but
whenever the Honourab!c Gentleman thought pro-
per to bring it on, he would state what occurred to
him upon the Subjed.
' Sir H. INGLIS presented a Petition from the
Chemists and Druggists of Ashburton, against the
Medicine Duty Aft.--Ordered to lie on the Table.
Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the
Committee of Ways and Means; the Resolution
having been read, '

Mi.PREVSEP said, that, he in common with other
Gentlemen, felt great satisfaction at the very flourish.

ing state in which the CRANCELI,OR of the Estest ts
• QUER, had represented this Country to be, but there
were some points-upon which be wished to say a word
or issics-;.and first, with regard to the number of Ex-
chequei Bills -which it was intended to have in circu-
lation, he wished to know; if so great a number were
• to he kept in circulation as the CHANCELLOR of
the EXCHEQUER had • stated, whether it might
not be attended with some inconveniences. An-
other subjeets which appeared to him to be
Of the greatest importance, viz. .that of 'esta-
blishing a Commercial Intercourse bet Ween this
Country and France. He did not mean to throw
any blame upon the present Ministers upon this
subjea. Lie knew' they could not have introduced
any articles to that effed into the Treaty of
Amiens, though their predecesSors in office had
had frequent opportunities of concluding such a
Treaty almost upon their own terms: But -the con-
sequence of not having a Commercial Treaty, would
be that a clandestine trade to a great amount would
he carried on. The best way, perhaps, to prevent.
this, if no Commercial Treaty could be agreed upon,
would be at once to 'take off all restridions upon
Coinmerce, and to offer. to Foreign CoUntries to
let them trade with all our Possessions, *if they
would'give us the same privilege. He then alluded
to an observation which he supposed to have fallen
from Mr. WINDHAM, viz, that, too much attentions
had been paid to commercial objeds in this Courts
try. With resped to the representation which had
been made of our Income, it, 'certainly was very"
flattering ; but there was no certainty of its Conti
ruing to increase, or even of its remaining as high:
as it was at present, and therefore he did not think
that the CHANCELLOR (it the EXCHEQUER ought
to have relied upon it somuch as to have taken,
• credit for, Six Millions and a Half as the growing
produce of the Consolidat9d Fund.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
'rose to correa two errors into which the Finn. Gets.
tleman had fallen, in the course of his speech. The:
Hon. Gentleman • seemed to apprehend, that the
number of Exchequer Bills would be so great as.to
produce some inconveniences. Undoubtedly, if the
five millions of Exchequer Bills which had been
voted, were to be issued immediately, and in addi-
tion to that sum, eleven millions more, it might
produce the embarrassment which the Hon. Gentle-
man seethed to apprehend ; but they were to be is-
sued
. gradually, and in succession, and at no time
would the number of Exchequer Bills exceed those
which were nosy in circulation. He had a-few days
ago given notice, that it was his intention, in the
course of the Session, to propose to, fund a certain
number of Exchequer Bills, the effect of which
wobld be to prevent too great a circulation of
them in the Market.- It would, however, be
sufficient for him to state, that the number ,of Ex-
chequer .Bills outstanding next year, 'would very
little, if-at all, exceed those now in circulation,
which amounted to eleven millions, exclusive of
the three millions in the possession of the Bank.
The Hon. Gentleman had stated, that it• was pro-
posed to vote 6,500,0001. as the growing produce
of the Consolidated Funds The- fad was, he only
proposed to vote 4,000,000; 'though he had cal..
culated the growing produce at 6,500,000 ; and if
the other quarters were equally produftive with the
last, the produce would be above '7,800,0001. With
regard to what had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman
respefting Commercial Arrangements, it would be
irregular for him then to say any thing upon the
subjedt ; but he hoped to convince .the House, in
the course of the present Session, that, His Majesty's
Ministers had not been inattentive to the Commer-
cial interests of the Country.
Mr. WINDHAM said, he also wished to cor.
red some misconceptions into which' the Hon. Gen-
tleman had fallen. He seemed to think, that he (Mr.
WistCHAM) had said, that too much: attention was
paid to Commercial Objefts. If the Hon. Gentle-
man supposed that he had ever, upon any occasion,
set up. National Interests against Commercial in-
terests,- he was mistaken. In point of fad, all the
great interests of the Country were so blended and
interwoven, that it was impossible to Separate them,
or to set them up in opposition to each other. An
expression had been very often alluded to, and at.
tributed to him, which he never used, viz. " Perish .
Commerce, so that the Constitution remain." If
it We're' possible that those two objeas could be put
in cohipetition, he certainly should have no great
difficulty in determining which to prefer ; but it
was impossible to separate them :sif the Constitu-
tion were destroyed, our Commerce would fall with
it ; and if the whole of our Commerce were de-
stroyed,' our Constitution would probably nor
long survive it. He recolledcd ',having said;
that there might be
_questions on' . Wisieh
might not be safe to give -too- much weight
to the opinions of Merchants and Tradeis, because
it must be obvious, that occasions might trise, in
which their indiVidual interests Might not be, the
same as the Commercial Interests of the Couotry,—
Nobody could,be more ready than he was to 4yow,
that there were among Merehants and.Tradels,
of as liberal views, as large. and enlightened minds",
as 'in any other-profession. Many, .Gentlemen,
whom he then saw, fully justified that obserVation.
But; still it could 'not,. be denied, that their privatt
interests might, upon some. occasions, not coincide
.with those of Trade in ,general. Their interests'
might be limited, and temporary, whereas, the ges
neral interests of Trade were permanent and, last ing.,
With regard to what the Honourable. Gentleosan
had said about taking off the' ReStridions upon
Trade, the effed of which would* to lay aside our
Navigation Laws, he confessed he felt a consider-
able degree of jealousy at such a proposition, and he
knew that such a plan hltd been suggested by
Citizen ,HAUTERIVEi with the, avowed . objea of -
destroyjng our Commerce. -
Mr.,DICKENSON, jun. was surprised that any
doubts should beeilter rained respecting our Commerce
continuing in its present flourishing situation. The
cessation of \Var On the. Continent must be favour_
able to population, an increase of population must .
make an increase in the demand, .and when there
was a great demand people would naturally tesort
to the best market, which was undoubtedly this
Country ; so that in his opinion there was no dan-
ger of our Commerce declining. _ _ _

Afr. NIRDON 'said, he wils'happy to find that
it way the intention of fhe'cHANc.F.LJ.Qtt of the

• EXCTIVQIIFR to keep Exchequer Bills at soc'Tof
medium, as that there shoal:? ,sot be -too ml be
them in 'circulation, and yet that there
enoegli for the convenience of trzi(l.e. The
ment of the CHANCELLOR of the F,xc.ri Etat; 63,, he
given eteat. satisfaetion to all ranks of people; 1r
adhered' to his plan, it , would fix his charatter i
• the opinion of the Public, and prove that he w
fit for the situation to which he was called by his:
Sovereign., •
s,c,
Mr. FANS/77AV' said, the demand for
chequer Bills had been so great, that they ere
a premium,
_and requests had' been made chat 19°.'
might be put in circulation. •
1 he Resolution was then agreed to.
• ELECTION PETITIONS.
r7a
The CHANCELLOR of the 4X.311E0-----
rose to make the Motion, of which he had tgP;C•
notice respeCting the putting oft`thi EleCtion
tions that were fixed for hearing- in the present
'
in the ensuing month. In snaking this Motion,
m
was his objed, 'and he hoped -the House would c(l'';
cur with him, ' that as little delay should take .I'll`
as possible,, and therefore tie should propose, sitar
two Petitions should be fixed for each day of be,;
ing them, viz. Tuesdays and Thursdays, until (`'o:
• delay whiela would be occasioned by putting 01:c`ich
. off would he made up, and that the Petit
weie fixed for hearing late in the Session .111:!“
be still further retarded. It ce'rtaioly m'n,c
wi,h of the. House to get through., triaay,
of them, this Session, and if the ordinary atteool;
was not the House would resort 'to
means in their power. to compel a fon „t„teclanC''
for the pUrpose of doing justice to the parties CO
• cerned, and' tPprevent those imputations. which 11: •
been thrown, though unjustly, upon tiariner F.ir°
!laments,' for the delays. which had occurred 111 `lei
tiding upon- Election Petitions. He then nlO6l
that the Order for hearing the first Petition 5110'1
be discharged, for the purpose of fixing- it for Eli'
Bth of February.
Mr. HURST said, he had' been returned for VA
places, Shaftesbury and S:cynif,g, and therefore'
wished Petition against him should 14e
hearing as early as possible.'
Lord TEMPLE said, he thought some re:ls°
ought-to be assigned for putting off the Petitions
for so long a time. • •
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER s3id:
House; if the Noble Lord had been in the.ouse;.°',„l.:
forther occasion, he would have heard him. sore "i;
reasons .foi the Motion. He had stated, stilt h
ess
was not aware that 'the state of Public l'"'"n,he
would require that the House shoUld meet after-:
recess. till February. That it would be highlY)„;
convenient to. proceed to hear the Petitions berc?`
the. recess; anal that there was no instance in white,
the House- had proceeded to try Petitions at sO 131,e,
a period of the year. With resped to what .c
fallen frdin an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. 1-loasT))/,
'was certainly entitled to attention, as he was r`
• turned for two places, the Petition against
.lies
would claim priority over the ordinary Petitoflea
The Order for hearing the first Petition was tho
'discharged, and the hearing of the Petitions w
fixed in the fallowing order :
Sri
The Burgh of Dunferniiine, a double return, the '
February. . • \ .1 of
shaftesbury, the Pe titicn against Mr. Hurst, rernr"c`
two places, the Bth February. •CGS
Dublin iniyersity, a Peti(lon under similar circtnns'-n
with the former, loth February. Feb/
, Great Grimsby, loth Feb.—Nottingham, tith -teach
' Barnstaple, isth Feb.-7 Coventry, 17th
17th Feb.--Kirkcudbright, 224 Feb.—lnverness 22''orOt'
—Liskeard, 24th Feb.—Waterford City, 24th Feb.
heda, tst Afarch—Hereford County, Est March—re';oo
3d March—Stranraesi 3d March—Chippenham ii:;"0;11
1 --Carmarthen County, Bth March—,llchester; tart'
—East Grinstead,-, loth March—Clasgow, Litt' A44',13c11
Oakhampton, sth Mir.th—Harwich, 17th ;vlarcil-01
-
wick, 17th March—Taunton, 22d March Boston, nth
March—Malmesbury, 24th March—Stirling County, T9tll
March-Cirencester, 29th March—Bishop's Castic,varcl,
March—Eveshani, 3 tst Marcri-•-East Retford, 31st
—Newcastle, sth April—Radnor County, ctlt April—Ariv-
storr-upon,l4 14th April -- LeUMIUS!Ci, r4th
Aylesbury, 19th April—Middlesex, 19:11 Aprll----a3illst
21st April—lloniton 21st April—Shaftesbury Petitionag
Mr, Loveden, 26th April.
The other Petitions remain in the order tree
were before fixed. Dif
Sir C. BAMPFYLDE moved the Order of the
for resuming the Debate upon the Middlesex rc
Lion. .
• ,
The SPEAKER having stated the,Queation, fara
the House, . r. c bis
Mr. TIER N said, that in. rising to .st'lf
sentiments oponEY
the Question before the liouse"ror
oe
wished to declare that he was actuated by 00 P,3,.
feeling, though, he
.should not have thoug'eale-
ilecesaary to make this declaration if he was 'l,' ie.:,
ins upon any other Subjed than the Middlesc‘
tion. Those who were of opinion that the'
tion could not be- received, ,founded their 01)1' else
'upon the Grenville Art, under which, they .sai': 1' r•
House' had .no power to receive this rcutale
He. admitted that there was a consider'af
degree of difliculty in this case, and lie had 05
no means' made 'up his opinion so decided,l,Ye
not to be Open to. convilion on the other
It had been suggested out of doors, that there •"° ta
• eti
scale private obje:d to be attained by this P
L. mr,
aial that. i,t
,was meant to take advantage 01.* pc.
AilAi NW AR I DG. •If he was of opinion that this, ~
.tition had tally such objet in view,
would not ,give it his support. The Petition citoo
upon the justice' of the House to.guard .the El.ei sir
against the consequences that would ensue
13URDETT.diould die before a,day was arPC.,,,,se,
for hearing the- other Petition, because, in that Ural'
Mr: MAI NWAR iNp would be of course returile:ired,
though a certain number- of Eledors had dee' „
by. their Petition/ that he was not qualifieet,"-
represent them. This was the simple state
:° to.
case, and he thought it was one- worth attend 11.5_fer
he certs,ilinieva
Whether the House should think it .rigt.ic "
•
tuts Petition to a Committee or mit: /.°°G.its
for gran red ti at could be no objeeLi°"ttion
lying upon the: Table. . And then the qt's
.vee.•
was, when they would hear i 0 Certainly..plr poit
fore the ComMittee decided upon the 00.,•le co-
tietis, and they could not hear it, after " if the
mittee had determined upon the merits (4t
of
Eledion, without taking away the whole b•conc-onve'
the Grenville Aft. There were mans 1 ceive.
niences that might result from 41, refusal t;ijriterjro.
this Petition. Suppose Sir FRANC'S
should die, or should refuse to defend Casey

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