The Sun.
London, England, 1805-02-22 00:00:00

'IDGE FOX:

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Tilt DUKE of CLARENCE, after a short apo.
Ipgy, said, he thought it necessary .to call the atten-
tion of t heir Lordships
.to' the proceedings about to be
instituted respeeting the Charges against Mr. Jus-
lice FoX. His Royal Highness disclaimed all party.
feeling on the occasion, :,nil declared, that the fist
knowledge he had nithe business was, when it was
• brought forward- last Session. He then proceeded
to consider, whether the modepropesed to be adopt.
cd for examining -the Charge 3 its the Ars( instance
ought to be adhered to, and iirged.the. propriety of
leaving the initiation of this business to the House,
of Comrtions. girder to allOw time torihis al.
Aeration-, it was his intention to moire; that the
Committee appointed to meet to.morrow be Om
poned fat six weeks, and in the mean time he should
move; that the Order fur their nseetitig td.morrow
be discharged.
A conversation of considelible length arose on
this Motion ; but the arguments used were princi.
pally those which had on fortner oteasions been
urged.
Lnrds LIMIT R WESTKUIRCAND,
HAwkidnuttv, as:d SiDNioutit, contended tint the
propriety of carrying the Inquiry in the House of
Peers. •

Lords AUCKLAND lien,' CARLirorr, though they
thought the Inquiry would more properly have been.
instituted in the other House, were nevertheless of
opinion,' that their Lordships having proceeded so
far, it ivas.necessary that the business should be re.
ferred to the proposed Coriarnittei. The latter said
he should express no opinion on the Charges, but.
'obserVed, that there was nothing Mr. Justice Fox
so much wished for as that he should have arkoppor-•
tunity of Meeting them fairly and Speedily. The
Learned Lord-.added, that two.. of the Charges hay:
ing been withdrawn, it was not unreasonable to
conclude that they were unfounded..
The Marquis of ABEkCORN did .not conceive
that any part of the' proceedings in the present case
called for the animadversions of the Learned Lord.
Certain it was, that the circumstance of a Charge.
being withdrawn did not amount to a proof of its
being unfounded. '
Lord Cop Lt explained;repeating that he ditt
. nor coca.' iv x;v• 4h f 7. npininn nr. 'kw Otl4tra tl.at
gad been preferred ; but that it was understbod the
two Charges had been withdrawn because of their
being unfounded.
The Marquis of An riZCORN, in explana,tion, af..,
firmed, that he never admitted that Any of the,
Charges were unfounded.

Lords CARLISLI, SrENCtit, and GASNYILLE,
supported the Moti !n, ancicontended, 'that every
such citie should originate with the CorornQns.
On This question their L 4dships divided
Contents 9s--Non.ContentA 36--Majority 27.
IRISH ARRESTS.

Lord Gal.Nvtt.Lti, in the Aience of Lord I: t NG,
reneived.the Motion of his Noble Friend for an Ac.
count of the Conditions_ on which Persons attested
in Ireland had been discharged.
Lord HAWXRSBuitr never admitted the existence
cif any conditioni of that nature, and even if they
did exist, he should deem it improper to disclose
them.
The Margttis of St.tao' and the Logo CUAN-
cr t.Loft spoke against the Motion ; after which the
question was put upon it, and negativede

lirliiCAS tOkPUS.
The Bill for Suspending the Habeas Corpus Aft
in Ireland was read a second time, can the Motion
of Lord ,HAWKESBUIti. ; after which his LordihiP
moved that the Bill bc committed ; which Motion
was negatived fire farma.—Afttr which his Lord.
ship again rose, and moved the Suspension of The
Standing Orders relative to the furtherance of a Bill
through two stages on the same day, arid addnced
variety of reasons in support of the urgency with
which lie proposed to pass the present Bill.
'rhe tilarquivof Sumo supported the Motion.
15 WOO opposed by Lords SNINCEE, CARLISLE,
DiENLEY, and the Dolce of CLArtericr.
Lords Lotioroto,'Ltmttarcx, and Smarmy' LLB
and' the. Duke of Motyraose supported ir.
•Laid.,AucxLAND not only thought it expedient
that the 13i11 be committed on the present evening,
but also that it should be read a third time.
Lord. GRENVILLE could not patiently listen to
the proposal of proceedings so derogatory from the
dignity of the House, as that -of suspending their
Standing Orders where no necessity appeared fur
resorting to such extreme urgency, He had too
frequently to lament that the Orders of the House
had of late been too slightly adhered to, -and that
their Loidships seemed only to square' their conduA
by that of the other House of Parliament. To such
a conduet he should always °Nen, not only as it was
derogatory from the dignity of the House, but, like.
wise, as it-was incordpatiblerwith ,the spirit and prac.
(ice of the Constitution. As to the Bill before the
House,' he had ming objtaions to the manner in
which it was attempted to be passed. No satislatiory
grounds of any nature had been adduced to prove
:he necessity of such a measure. Under the present
ircumstances of Ireland, he was at a loss to see why
melt a measure should be continued.
Lord Ai la, GRA was 43 Anxigu: as thi:, Nv.

ble Lord.to pay all due (eye& to the Standing Or.
ders.of tho• House. It was, no doubt, incumbent
upon their -Lordships, upOn almost. every occasion,
to observo these Orders with a scrupulous panitua I ity ;
but their Lordships would likewise recoiled, that
.it was in the very essence of them occasionally to
-allow of a guarded and solemn departure from these
orders;. and the present helooked upon to be one of
these emergencies. The condition of Ireland, more
particularly in some provinces, was of a nature suf.
ficiently alarming to call for and justify the mea.
sure, The.existing Bill-could 'be in force only. a
few days; and casualties of wind-and weather Might
prevent its arriving in time to be iflerd upon in Ire.
land, 'if any further.delay was admitted in forward.
ing it through the stage proposed ; Sze should, there..
fore,,on mature consideration, acquiesce in- the opi.
nion of the Noble Baron (Aocict.AND), that. the
Bill should 'he read even a third time this night.
The Noble Lord (GEtENVILLE) Wil;) waS,,iIOW so
forward in opposing it, -had assented, when he him.
self wa, in Administration, to a' much roar: rvid
progriss of a similar Bill.
Lord ^Glitry i a .explained, ar-vo the clif re oeer:
of the circumstances under which he had then acted ;
after whfch the question was put, that the standing
Orders on the presentAxeasion he dispensed. with.
and dip the Bill be committed ; when the. House
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Contents 4! -
.Non-Contents 13

Majority z 8
.Tbe DUKE of CLAREbicE next proposed in the
Committee, as an Amendment; that the duration of
the bill be only six weeks from the present thy, in-
stead Cif six weeks after the commencement of next
Session. , The Amendment was negatived ; after
which the Report was received, and the Bill read a
third time and passed, without any further opposi-
tion.--Adjourned at tialfpast One o'Clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

THURSDAY, FRB. 21.

A new Writ was ordete4for Calnc, in Wiltshire,
in the `room of Jossru jaxYL, &q. becvme one
of His Majesty's Council learned in the Law.
A parson from the Commissioners of the Thames
Navigation presented -an Account of the Receipts
and Payments of that' Company in the year 1804.
Mr. MAY paitponed the considemion of tie Pe-
tition from the Retail Dealers of Belfast, against
the 6 per cent. Duties.
Lord Duna ohtained leave to bring up the Re.
part of the Quarantine Bill; which, with the Amend.
merits, was agreed to.
Mr, j.ittxsoN, from the Oiliee of the Chief Se-
cretary of Ireland, presented certain Accounts; which
114 • t otrcterod to tie en Out Tow,.
After some conversation between Mr. Mrs* rs.
SON, Mr. Rose, and Mr. CaLCtiAre, it Will or-
deted, on the Motion of the last named Gentleman,
that the Report of the Committee of I got, on tho-
Salt Duties, be printed.
' Sir JOHN NEWPORT moved, that a List of all
Reversionary Grants in Ireland since Ist Jan. ISor,
stating the dates and .terms of those Grants, loge.
ther with all compensations for Bnroughs, and all
claims for such coinpensations, whether allowed or
rejected, and the expences, &c. attending Such
claims, be laid before the Hut4e.—Ordered.
The 'SE CR RiAltY at WAft moved for, and after.
wards presented. an Account of the number, a Merl
raised under the Army of Reserve An from the tst
Jan. 180+ to agth June 1504..
Mr. fitrsx tisurr brought in the Loan Bill, whin's
wag read a first time, and ordered to be read a ae-
cond time tomorrow, .
On the Motion of Lord DUNLO, the Thanks'of
the House were voted to Dr. Hall for his excellent
Sermon, which he was desired to print.
The Postage Duty Bill was, on the Motion of
Mr. HUSKISSON read a first time, and ottiered tta
be read a second time to-morrow,

Mr. Gm es postponed his Moticin relative to the
expiring Naval Conur.isst'on, from Mor.d.iy. io
Friday.

Mt. fitrsxicitorr brought up the Bill for imposing
an additional l)uty on Horses ; which, slier a few
'word, from Sir WATICINS WILLIAM VisrYNll/4/E, WllO
expressed his entire disapprobation of the treasure,
was read a first time, and ordered to be read a se.
cond time to-morrow.

Lord AltelilliALD TIAN! wroll gave notice Or a
Moticin fur Monddy se'imight, relative‘to Irish pay..
own ta 3,; par.

'Mr. JontoroNe moved that the Acctlnts of the
oistributiog of the 1,500mb01. 'raised by 114 Ma.
jesty pur.manL to tlw. At of 143 C Sesii,Jo be print.
ed,—Ordered;

. NATIONAL DEFENCE,
Mr: IPIN6I-141i1, in rising to submit to the
4.-loust4he Motion of which he had given notice on
the firat 'day of the Session, could not forbear callirtg
the attention of Gentleman to the numerous post..
ponements that had taken place with respect to.the
Motion, none of whichi except the last, had origi-
nated with him. The only &lay that was charge.
able to him POZ/S rendered desirable and necessary by
-many considerations. The Motion he was about- to
offer was almost precisely the same as that o%reti
by his Hon, Friend on the-bench titurve (Mr. Fox),,
on the 234 of June last. It sat his iNtiltiOn to
review tile various Ads that had been passed for the
Defence of the Country, and to consider the mean!'
of permanent Defence which they afforded. f
conceived it necessary to revise those Acts, and to
render the provisions of • them more uomplete anti
permanent, and this would be the o j;:tt of the first
part of his Motion ; .the second prt or which wuutd
bc) to Icier it to a Cominitice co,conbider the beer

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making the improvement ne ptoposeo. JIC
saw many Gentlemen on the other side of the House
who had thought it most necessary to review the
system of Defence
,in the last Session. He would
ask those Gentlemen how they could think such a
review necessary then, and not think it full as ne.
cessary nowt lie desired them to take the account
as it &sod then, and to consider in respea the
;balance had been changed. It was necessary, to alter
the State of the ease, that: some change should have
taken place—either that The Enemy's means of an.
nay ing us should hive decreased; or that our relative
strength should have increased mote than iheir's. It
was necessary also, that this diminution Of our clan.
ger should not be a -temporary cessation, but that
she cause of appteherision Khould have entirely piss.
ed away not to, return. In his. elpinkin no mate:
rhtl change bad taken place. It was trite some all.
3ition had been made tO cur Force, 'hut if even a
greater addition had been made, ,that would not
be sufficient. The general state of cur Military
Establishment was what it .would• Ise necessary

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to inquire into, and what had been done under the
late Defence An to give those improvements
which were so generally allowed to be wanting be.
flire. Those who'had voted for a Committee of
Inquiry con this subjea before, and one in particu-
lar who had gone further than all the rest (the
CHANG aLt.ott of theExcrt e ),were,he thought,
particularly called upon to import- his Motion. He
should feel extreme surprise it they should resist it,
and was at a lois to think what reason theytould
possibly offer for such a resistance, except, indeed,
they were prepared to confess they were weong in
their,opinions at that time ; that the measures they
• arraigned at that lime had merits which they did
not then see; and that the measures they recom.
mended had deficiencies of which they were 'not
aware, Was the -Honourable Gentleman (the Chan.
• cellor of the Exchequer) prepared to say, that the
whole of the additions made to our Military Este.
blishment were made by his present Colleagues,
whom he then opposed ? wits he prepared to say,
• that the measures he then declared bad were now
good, and that the men he then censured as inca.
pable, were now most capable ? Was he prepared to
say to those men, " 'your measures have been such,
that if I had then had the opinion of, them which
I have now, I would not have voted for the In-
quiry i" Was he prepared to allow that every thing
which had been done, and which was now avail.
able, was done by them ? ''Was he repaled to say,
to his now Noble Colleague, of whom he was 'alien
the strenuous opponent
Quoit scio et facto, Si facto tuuritest ?

He was, indeed, himself prepared to allow, that
the Noble Lord and his associates had doee much
more than had been done since; but as his opinion was
not changed .as to the positive defeds of what they
had done, he still coot bored of Opinion that the inquiry
was necessary ;'and he thought those who voted for
it on the former occasion could not do otherwise than
support his M,tion now. If it was meant to be ar.
gued, that men were procured by the measures ulti.
trimly adopted by the late Administration, and then
in progress, he had never denied that ,the system of
raising men fa rank would procure them. He was
ready to allow the force of faMily influence in Ire.
land and SCotland ; but he contended that the prin.
ciple of a system of recruiting under that influence
was injurious. it was not to ,be denied that the
picnimpttvc heir to an estate may raise money
on annuity, hut such would be ruinous to
him. The measure of rec'ruit'ing frir'fank was
one which he always objeded to, nut that he
denied its power of raising men, bat that ha
thought it a most pernicious mode of obtaining
them. Thus the ballot obtained men'of necessity,.
and a onnsiderable Force, almost. alt' that bad' been
obtained to meet t'ae extraordinary exigency, had
been supplied by it, under the diredion of the late
Ministers, so that whatever obligations the Hun.
Gentleman opposite owed to it, he was indebted
for to them ; yet, whatever it had ptoduced,
could not reconcile him to the principle, any
more than if the Parish Bill itself had pro.
duce(' 'men. He therefore saw nothing to di.
minish the necessity of Inquiry. All the linnet
objeetions to the state of our Military gstablish.
merit were still in full force; and he knew not how,
after the failure of the measure proposed as It
remedy, any Member who voted for Inquiry
then could avoid voting fur it now. This, how.
ever, Watt '4 mere ittpowentsivs ad Amines for
though a large part of the House, notwithstand-
ing it was a' minority then,' how a majority, hat,
supported that proposition, heihOuld not think It
necessary, on that ground alone, that they 'should
support him. Men. should ,to deterniined always
by the evidence before them; many of the Measures
thus instituted had by this time been brought to
trial, and had justified themselves by their success ;
others had been decidedly condemned by their fah.
lure. The very circumstance of a Spanish War
changed die situation of the Country. .But that was
ant all. it might have been 'said by the late Mi.
41iiitefft and their adherents, that the Regiments rail.
ing in England and 'Scotland promised cis be suceese.
Mul;, that some of their other measures also had pro.
eared Men, and that the Army of Reserve, though
:morel-ailed, had been amply successful, and nay again
be revived, and that a further trial of all their ma.
votes would prove the efficacy of them. To those
who voted for Inquiry egainst those Ministers, he
Arnold submit a broad question as to the necessity of
Bi-igniting now. Was the present state of thisCono.
try, not meaning by the present state the bare con.

dition of the rojrnitit, but as far:as the view could
teach, not a consideration of more vital import.
once than had ever before been known Whether an
Army was tot necessary not inertly to enable this
Country to rank among the Mitions, not only to pre.
,crve her power, her distant Colonies, and the other

sources of her consideration, but even to preserve
herself ifoin year to ye3l ? Whether our siittiatiort was
like that of the feudal times, when a man was oh.

tiged to sleep with his sword under his pillow, and
when he was under the necessity of keeping -his at.
:11:;ur by him even while at the plough/ AU that we
I,lw arnund us abroad, all the domestic occurrences
I)l.st had taken place here, all the military discus.
Lions that had taken place in the 1-fouse, the result of
;licit had been the turning out of the last Mini.
firer, and the corning in of the present, which had
tot-nett Ministecti of lfintince and chancour. of

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which had rendered all the men in the Country milt.
tart, all !hi's proved the extraordinary and imperious
necessity' for a great and permanent military force.
'The next question was, whether we had or were soon
likely to 'have such an Army as was necessary for
an immediate exigency t The third question w;:iiid
be, whether our Military Sync* was commodious
and well construded, so •as to answer the public
exigenties in the be manner;, so as to yield the
best possible force, or a force in some measure ale..
quate tri the expense and exertions of the Country ?
Fourth, supposing it answered all these requisites,
had it that facility of recruiting so as that it- could
exist long and support itself without any new or
extraordinary aid ? Could these questions be answer.
ed, unless the, state of the Country was differeot from
.that which he desoribed it ; unless we could soon
have in establishment adequate to the exigency; on.
less the description of the force was.good and in pro.
pOrtion to the expense we had been at, and the exer.
tions we had• made ? Unless it could be recruited and
kepi up so as to secure it frnm decay, unless petted
and complete satistaaion could be given on all points,
there was a positive and undiminished necessity for
the Inquiry ? We were told of the Force of the
'Volunteers, the Militia, the Army of Reserve,
and the Regulars. His first objection to this Army
Was its variety. Variety was a. perfe4ion in Na.
ture, but it was not so in the constitution of an
Army. The distinetions of Heavy Dragoons,' Light
Cavalry, Artillery, and Infantry, was satisfigtory,
because these were cite different cooaponenapatts of
an-Army ; but these different species of Force de.
scribed here were distinCi 'Armies in thetuselves.—
' If one of these descriptions of Force was good, why
was nut the whole of that description ? For instance,
why was not our whole Force Militia I The answer
was, that we wanted part, of
.our Army for Foreign
Service, and that the Militia was only for Home
Service. This reminded him of the man who cut a
Large hole fur his cat to 'pass through, .and a small
one for his kittens—(a laugh)—for it seemed to he
forgot, that those who were liable to serve abroad
could serve at home likewise. He thought it bet.
ter, before be proCeeded, to examine the constitution
of these four different_,Armies, how far they were
consistent with ecoriomy ; how far they gave the
greatest and best force; how far they interfered with
each other ; liow far they counteratted general
means of recruiting and how far they were the
'basis of a permanent Force. The Volenteer System
hail undergone so much discussion, that he wished
he could 'eaes over it without saying, aey thing
now ; but he could not help saying that all his for.
mer opinions were confirmed by the additional ex.
perienee' he had since he expressed them. They
Were further confirmed by the testimonies, of the
best authorities ; and here he hoped it would be
hardly necessary for him to say that he meant not
the slightest rede'tion on those who composed the
Volunteer Corp, who were ready to do any thing
that was pointed out co them ; who had taken great
trouble to do what they were direeled to do, wider,
this system ; and if they had not done what was
best, it was not their faults. The Volunteer Sys.
tern 'had many delctis in all views, political, civil,
and military. If the Volunteers were designed to
answer a sudden emergency, it was a misfortune
that they were not lett to accomplish their nature,
purpose in their natural 'state. there were things
itm mattes suractent to indicate what might
be expeeted if it was attempted to give them a
forced charatter and a prolonged existence. If there
was any such intention, he looked upon it as than.
gerous in a political view, and he protested against
it. As to the civil charaner, he apprehended a ge-
neral efreft on the manners and habits of men, such
as would be much to be lamented. it tended to
disturb the general relations of civil life, to fill
those who belonged to it with vain and extrava.
gant pretensions,. to bring down the high, and to
exalt the IoW. Though he was not one who
wished for a high.lianded Aristocracy, such as
that of the times when the high looked down.
on the low, he was still a ftiend to the consi-
iteration of ranks. flistorY had a story of a Prince
who had a man to go before him, to remind him
that he was a man, least he should forget he
was one ; and many Political Writers thought
it a great advantage in our Constitution, that Our
!copular elektions brought the great occasionally
to sue to the Imitable. But extreme distinalons
were not the vice of the present time. The Pea-
sant now came so near the Courtier that it was not
necessary to study to confound them still more.—
When committees of Volunteers had the power of
roving votes, of praise and censure to those of the
highest ranks, tic thought a door was opened for
much injury to society in a quarter where it was,
least apprehended. There was nut a people in the
world disposed to shew more respeft to the superior
classes than the people of England, he meant 0
dignified respOt, having nothing slavish in it, a
homage to imputed virtues. If these virtues
were not equal to the Credit given them, the fault
was in those who were supposed to possess them,
and the respett that Will shewn on the belief of
their existence tvas nut less honourable tcs. ihOSC
who paid it. Then, as to the elieldt of the .Volun-
teer Force on the Army, he did not think it could be
the objet of any considerable degree of confidence.
, If some Battalions were equal to Regular Soldiers,
and others were not so, it would be impossible to
know when they were to be depended upon and
when they were not. It was like those hooks of
travels In which truth and falsehood were mixed, it
was impossible to distinguish what was true. To
those who arguet! that the Volunteers were better
materials of defence, disciplined as they were, he
answered so was a pistol a more effectual weapon
than a bludgeon, but if the lock was out of order
and the powder bad, the bludgeon was unquestion.
ably better. It was absurd to boppose, that putting
men to red coats, and grenadiers' caps, was sufficient
to make an Army. We are told everyday of the
Volunteers being so well trained, of their dressing,
marching, exercising, nvimetiv ring, and looking in
every, respett like regular soldiers ; hut that was
nut enough to make them regular soldiers. Nothing
more like than a pidure was'to a man ; yet it Was
riot a man.---(a laugh I) A celebrated painter
made grates so like, that the birds came and peck.
eel them, but they found they were nut grapes
it was like the painted devil drscribcd its Afar. j

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This painted Army was such a one
.as mere men
could make the likeness, but not the reality of a
Regular Army. It was not by the mere combina-
tion of the mechanic parts of discipline that a
Soldier was to be formed. It might as well be
said, that flour, sugar, plums, and batter, made a
pudding—(alaud laugh!). There was a process, and
'the aetion-of fire and water was necessary to the
perfection of that excellent produdion. This was
the sense and the philosophy of the subjed. He did
not wish for the continuance of the Volunteers as
part of our Military System ; he wished they never
had been a part of it. It was urged that the
Volunteer System was a proof of the spirit Of the
Country ; he allowed that it was, if such proof were
wanted. But he should have thought that the
Enemy would have allowed us credit for this spirit
without this proof; that even supposing us to be a
nation of shopkeepers, they would, believe us
sincerely attached to our shops—(a laugh). The
Volunteer Force could not be counted upon in point
of- permanence. Founded upon zeal, it was of ne.
cessiry as temporary as its principle, and though
new threats my be used to enforce the continuance of
what former threats had contributed tocreate, the du.
ration must of necessity soorefind its limits. It was
like a fine theatrical position,which could not be
preserved beyond a certain moment, sand if the cur-
tain did not drop, the arms must fall---(a laugh!).
The men would fall back into their natural station.
By bounties and threats an effort may he made to
draw them forth into battalions. The Government
may shake parchment at them to drive them back
again into these battalions, as It had done at first,to
drive theM forward. A Bill. may be passed to
render the Volunteers more voluntary--(a laugh !)
and to make theta permanent they may • be coo.
stituted into a little Militia—(a laugh!). It was
said, in accounting for the thinness of themuse
tees, that those wive absented themselves from,
drill had learned
.all that was necessary.' Those
who were most diligent being of course soonest
perfeeted; if they absented themselvei • as soon as,
complete, those who remained in their absence must
be a mere aulcward squad---(q laugh);, and when all
were completed there would be none in attendance
(a loUd laugh). There were certainly, some things,
such as swimming, which if once learned were never
forgot e military discipline was not of that number,
it required.continued exercise to preserve it. FroM
these considerations he could not' agree that the,
Volunteer., System had done any. great good ;
or that it was calculated 'to dis any—but
.lvast
of all, that it was to he looked to as a
part of 'our Military Establishment. Next, as
to the Militia, which:he would describe in two
words, by allowing that it was as good a force as
it could possibly be, and that it went far beyond
the designs and expectations that were formed of
it et, its institution—it had attained the highest
perfection it could possibly teach ; but the vicious
principle of the bollot, on which it was founded,
lied the 01031 perniaiotneeffeds on the means of sup-
plying our general Military System. • There were'
but two ways of supplying an army, Isy voluntary
servile; and by compulsion. The armies of most
other countries, he believed, in some measure, were
now supplied by compulsion. France recruited her
armies by conscription,- he believed, not to the'ex.
elusion of volunteers ; old France, he believed, re.
etuiteo entirely by volunteer service ; Russia re.
eroited by cornpulsiun'; so did Sweden ; Denmark,
in a great degree ; Prussia altogether ; and Austria
chiefly
,by means not very, remote frsom thee,' ; /36.
tale raised its forces by volunteers alone, with the
exception of the Train Elands. The consideration
of a bounty of one guinea, or a guinea and an half,
could not have presented any inducemene. The
inducement wat the stem and condition of a soldier,
and the bounty served only to wet the bargain—
(a loud laugh). Here the Hon. Gentleman traced
the history of the Militia, from its institution in
1756, .from the impulse of shame arhaving Hessians
and Hanoveriane brought into the Country to defend
it. This waeconsidered a cheap force, which would
lie. by in time of peace, and go to grass tile wanted
(a lead laugh). Thus, being a force of mixed descrip-
(ion, it lost the advantages of those between which
it was intended as a atean. Our Foreign and our
Home Defence were intimately connected. The loss
of its greatness would be to this Country equivalent
to the loss 'of its existence ; for when it ceased to be
great, it would cease to be at all.—( cry of hoar !
hear 0-7 There could be therefore no question of the
legitimacy of the right of calling for and enforcing
personal service if there was a necessity of calling
for it. It was not necessary, however, to have re.
course to compulsion ; and it was not legitimate as
we could 'di) without it. There were other mea.
sures more constitutional and more consistent with
our former poetic*, which there was still room to
hope may be successful. Such was the System that
had existed before the ballot had been introduced—.
a poison that had of late spreade so widely, and
been so destsuCtive. This poison had long lain dor-
mant. There was a spirit in the lower order of the
people which would not for a time suffer the bal.
lot to he enforced. Frog.) 1756 till reee, the begin: •
ning of the American War,the ballot had never once
been enforced; bpt in .this period there. was certainly
included nine years of peace, from 1763 to 1774.
At that time there was no system of substitution ;
no Bounties growing out of it. Fromthat time
the increase of bounties commenced.'. The Govern.
mint was before the only bidder in the recruiting
market, and the recruit took the condition .of
Soldier with a, guinea to make it a wet bargain.--
Then from the limit of time and of space in the ob.
ligation to find a substitute in one's own district, the
price was increased to Government all Oyer the
Country, in so much that ten guineas were given in
the American War. Then a remedy was adopted s
similer to that which our farriers applied to horses'
legs, till the Veterinary College taught us better,
giving temporary relief, but causing the complaint
to relapse with increased force. Thus our State
Farriers (a laugh), when the amount of the Mili-
tia rendered the regular recruiting so dear, expeCted
jtfo
{fuserstherelieveygWdvias by
Ceiest giving;
muchus
threatened
as ot more
wbte
gdui Mai inneilasissteißda .otuhrellt ny . 177112e
1
lir7Be2.a's 4taig%ritil" revdauseted to risein3.l, and the who
the A
ineric" l'i'ar,
o f
that was nor given in money, In th
following

Tv .1 1,•101.../r
111, 41.111liet WelM 1111.11.11,1, ----•
Regular Army and and few served who were not subso.
tutcs, the'bounties became enormously high. Den
came the pernicione system of raising men foreieki
by which men who were only Cornets, and !MS
men who had never been in the Army, Were Ma*
Colonels. In raising men the Bounties were bought
to such an excess that it was necessary 10..ihree1s!
with dismissal those who gave More than Of 81.1"'
near. Then the Scotch and Irish Militia were ts'
stituted, and the latter wascarried to the stool
aB,ooo. Next came the stypiementary Militia, in
afterwards the Provisional Cavalry. Thais last-Ws.
a thing of so short duration that it lied slipped _11"
memory at first; but it had left effetis not to be
forgotten. h passed over the Country like*
blight—(a laretl). It was like a beetle st a (sift
which a man gut through in a moment, and hide
think of afterwards, till he found he had lost hit
watch.:'-‘(a la4b)• It was a pleasant. earteeitsl
make every rmn ride another men!* horse(/' lax, off
till at length when the men and horses went 3
brought together, no than knew how to mount, Oa
so they all separated (a loud laugh). , From chit
felts of. toir.galolgtluteinseeaps,roCeedings, the bounty was ral'
adequate and permanent supply stuhpeprelyw:fstenr°aricl.li4Cheic"rtil°lll
Establishment of the Militia and Army of It''''elfh:
to the amount of 140,000 men, entirely chorikee„ti
regular and ordinary sources. ft was an
who was now absent (Colonel Carkurotto)i
the other Gentlemen at that side of the WWI "
had given its beneficial qualities to this ,A
of Reserve An, so that whatever 'effen 1
came frbm that side of -the- Honsereintlrellfut. :
friends may say, like Dennis, r' it rtit."
get." Thus he had traced the 'mischief ,!'°l
from, the. American War. The ballot W.es
prieciple 'which must of necessity
,e'Xhitell'i/stili
.and it must have been exhausted when 3 Met'
panl which was calculated to produce 50,000 fon
by -no possibility be made to produce more
370003. Applying it farther it was like givioJPare
Sic to a 'man whose stomach would not hold .111,/I,i,
who immediately vomited it off (a laugh.) s
~„,0.
was the system of ballot which had been aele3
thirty.seven years, and which had pratiacf,be
kind of Force regarded as a preciouS eligi!rs tpa
laid up in .time of Peace till it should be vian!e je
tra
time of War. The Ministers who hadt 0
hi3l.
°rej,
it till it stopped, were not, however, be',
Prin.
bfy had only tried a known anti established
to
fee
ciple as far as it could go. Having made the flfgtos
of . Amiens, having suffered Bonaparte Lthis
run the Continent, and having made War tidadt
.Country could be nothing but a besiege!' i•e tee
elait Minister had recourse to this measure -
fr thit
hew of Ulysses, which he made such use (tete of •
,Main Bell, and the other celebrated 0.0"}g011h
old; were nothing 'to him (a /aei,,o.,
o
the force. was so spent, that nothing „clot the
done, anti as !soon as this great o°4rd;
arrow,• it fell at his feet, The frieUde°' ••„-
Lotd (Siosaourts), however, cried "eiti°ll Pa
gill
gdtrairilcde,
rie:htoitooty::osicnenogbcn,ayswinicailetehrninelilct,ikali,n.lit‘ltihitle!;Nthngortibcdcti;:esgerectoivindsesta,tilsii,eitic
jir,tow:l::::;a,h.tine:p6:ll:l;
the Clerk of the Course to give judgMee,tAlice
but the person who held the stakes was tficolo
to give them into his hands; and having* '1 -.0 toe,
time, been given into other hands, with s'uclllooo
different system, the Noble. Lord now' hkei [if
thein!,,,back, and was not satisfied to ha
re heee•
hal vee(loud and continued laughttr.) fict 40
Gentleman e
'Pa" "any forcible illustrations steel
absurdity of recruiting the Army by they': ofittii
means of' the Army of RCSerVe• The Art.' Os"
serve supplied many recruits, because it abol ppm
the men of the Country, and the additions!notba
ties induced men to go the circuitous soots the
*Army. 'Fo praise it qn this accounts oli }lob
same as if, because all the Members 'of st,"ebe
came into it through the Lobby, it shallot:l;i'
whin a wonderful place the Lobby is, wild*/
plies the House with all its Members(tridll'.•ii to°
When the Reserve ceases to furnish tton'k
preserved as a vast engine no longer at "'ar 100
always to be regarded with astonishment's ast
explanation of the powers of which, the 1104o
digester:or boiler was described as coolul,11,110(01:
'with the Parishes, by means of an ialtuarl it
pillar.), tubes,, and when it Was adc.c:
did not! communicate .a large cube with red
pulat reservoir, no :reason could be gives': the in'
that :it was too simple and unworthy eh' ofth
genuity of the 'contrivers. There woe, "If
of .•
a talent for compulsion in that measures ,en A
pelted the Parish Officers to get the do
the Parish. it was fire fire burn site he •
heat dog dog (a loud laugh./
stick!
fish Officeritt over whom the Parish Wt. n°- , i
oak
110111, were., Otte raise the men or levY
from the Parish ; ,but that could no mote v;ketlo
efreo of finding the men, than one, coold
'terse drink though he should take hint In,ivu ost
ter
wilt (F laugh,). It was, however, nevi .ogke. v elli
t likg.,a man of: whom nobody sears.
soil of YthrP
o, therefore, it was unnetisc"diguier
speak laugh). It was like tha 11.°1
horse, which had but one fault,' And 0114
as P
that it was dead-.,(a loud laugh 0.,1(, ti f
f
unnecessary to follow it! further,
Humane So
ci
ety may not have yet art
,e
and the Hon. Gentleman opposite rusY ‘)(31 it, Pill
unless
vive it by some process (a lead latighl)'
ever, the Hon. Gentleman would cant he rerive'p
with saying merely that it deserves to coo
1..,
he would be satisfied. It was said the Pr hoe d
sure-(the Additional Force Mt) bad natuntierlit
cessful because the Parish Officers did "13.tedy. Ate
it so as to proceed to enforce itimmeutg,oolilePeeti
lay "six weeks in, their hands before the/
stand it, much could not be-expetted eff",.,130)00
Of their duty under it. The Bill pas,",%,f A4litt
and nothin was heard of it till IV" 0 off „d
when it wa g s supp aoied to he ready ro fa 01011,
a spinning-jenny, like the machinerY °!ipeee
looms, with a sound like that of an
known in Italy,Aft
Auc,s resonant arbustu citadist
•
not a sound was heard ; it was alum -1 c one - dito
now when the account of its produce
appeared it had yit'lded only 2300 tficn
of whom only 613 were tatted 1/r