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sure could not in any way prejudice lessees, because
those who wished mig tat obtain a renewal of their lease
from whoa,. th.l had to

deal. As to the details, it might be asked why not at
once lay down the rules which were to govern them.
11i3 answer was, that a vory great number of matters
were to be taken into consideration, which it was not de-

sita,ble to embody in the Bill. There were, for in-
stance, leases of titles, leases in the north, and leases in
the south of England, which were placed on a very dif-
ferent footing from each other. There were also leases
of mines, leases of houses, and various other matters re-

specting which experience, as the measure came into
operation, would be requisite in order to deal advanta-
geously with them.
Mr. HENLEY objected to the sort of legislation
which the measure introduced.

Mr. BARRON objected to the second reading of the
Bill.

Lord PALMERSTON said the discussion which had
taken place should lead the House to the second reading
of the Bill with the view of discussing the details in
Committee. All agreed that the principle was good,
the objections expressed being only to the details of the
Bill, and even those who wish the Bill to stand over until

next session ought to vote for its second reading, in
order that in Committee they might be able to stato
their objections to its details, so that the measure might
go to the country with such amendments as Hon. Gen-
tlemen desired to effect in it. Ho thought the House

La the present se sion might shape the measure so as
to free it from 7 objection, but even those who
thought otherwise ought to vote for the second reading of
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Mr. B. DENISON said there was no chance that, the
Bill could proceed this session, and it was better to poet-

pone it altogether.
In reply to Mr. FORSTER,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
Bill did apply to mines.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading •.•
Against it ... 34
Majority for the second reading —ll
Sir B. HALL complained of the late period of the•
session at which all Bills affecting the temporalities of
the Church were brought before the House, and then
hurried through it with indecent haste. The 3d and 4th
William IV., for instance, received the royal assent on
the 14th August, 1833. The 3d and 4th of Victoria, c.
113, received the royal assent on the 11th of August,
1840, and he might state a ease which showed in a re-
markable manner the operation of the system. A
deanery vras attached to a bishopric, and it had been re-
commend(4l by the Commissioners that the deanery
should be abolished. The Bill which should effect that

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object was passed through all its stages on Saturday,
the 9th of August, and on Monday, the 11th, it received
the royal assent. The bishop, however, was installed on
the intervening Sunday, and thus defeated the intention
of the Bilq. He mentioned these to show the necessity
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for the laiety being allowed time to consider Bills of this
character, and in the present they should have an op-
portunity of considering what they would have to pay
in the cam s contemplated by the Bill; for he saw by
one of the clauses the Commissioners were to settle the
whole of the payment, the Commissioners being no
other than the bishops, in whom the public had lost all
confidence in their capacity as Commissioners. He pro-
tested, then, against the Government bringing forward
the measure, and he pledged himself to use every means
to retard its progress if they pressed it this session.
It was an attempt on the part of the bishops to enforce a
most arbitrary price for land, and they have not the de-
cency to enable members of the laity to communicate
with the lessees on the subject. Let the House, then,
come to the further consideration of the Bill with tho
full underE.ttinding that it should not be brought to a
third reading this session.
Colonel SIBTIIORP considered it a most ungrateful
attempt on the part of the Government to force on this
Bill at so late a period of the session.
Mr. AGLIONBY would endeavour to amend the Bill,
and if he did not succeed in his effort, then ho would en-
deavour to have it postponed until next session.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was de-
sirous to aid Members in improving the Bill, and in re-
medying any defects that could be pointed out in it.
Mr. J. A. SMITH understood that the Bill was to be
no more than a permissive Bill.
The Bill was ordered to be committed at one o'clock

to-morrow.
The New Zealand Settlements and Lunatics Bill to
be read a third time to-morrow.
The Canada and Now Brunswick Bill was read a third
time and passed.
The Conterbury Association, Nuisances Removal and
Diseases Prevention Bill, were read a second time.
PETTY SESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
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The consideration of this Bill in Com-mittee was re-
sumed.
Colonel DUNNE charged the Government with breach
of faith in consenting to withdraw that portion of clause
10 which proposed to give magistrates power to act sum-
marily in cases of felony.
Some verbal amendments were made in two or three
of the clauses, and the Bill went through Committee.
Mr. KINDERSLEY, Master in Chancery, brought up
several Bills from the Lords.
The House then went into Committee on the Summary
Jurisdiction (Ireland) Bill, the several clauses of which
were agreed to, with a few verbal alterations, and the
House resumed.
THE COLLECTION OF FINES, &c., (IRELAND)
BILL.

This Bill, as amended, was considered, and ordered to
be read a third time to-morrow.
CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion that the House go intu Committee on
the Constabulary Force (Ireland) Bill,
Mr. CONNOLLY presented a petition from the grand
jury of the county of Donegal, complaining of the limited
force of the constabulary in the county as compared with
the population.
The House then want into Committee on the Bill.
Mr. F. FRENCH said he felt it to be his duty to op-
pose the Bill, against which he protested as most unjust
in principle. He hoped some notice, however abort,
would be taken of what he was about to say .—(lfesr,
hear.) The object of the Bill was to abolish the office
of paymaster of the constabulary force in Ireland, an
office which had been created in 1846. As long in; the
officers appointed to the office had been paid by Ireland,
the Government did not interfere; but the mometi t the
payment of these officers was fixed on the Consolidated
Fund, then in stepped the Lords of the Treasury with
a Bill for the abolition of the office of Paymaster of the
Constabulary Force, Eighteen gentlemen now held the
situation of paymaster of the force in Ireland, and were
appointed to hold the office during good behaviour.
Those gentlemen had broken up their establishments
and entered on the duties of the situation in confident
expectation that provision would be made for
them in consideration of their services, and amongst
them was Captain Galbraith, an oLcer who had
served in the Peninsular war, From the army he went
in 1819 into the constabulary, in which he discharged
with credit the duties of the several positions to which
he was advanced. He had then served thirty years in
the constabulary force—a service which should entitle
him to a pension of at least 2501. a year; but it was noVI
proposed by her Majesty's Government to retire this
gentleman, who had more than thirty years' service, and
a wife and ten children, ou a pension of 404 a y•f/ar.
Ho considered that it was unjust in her Majesty's Go'
vernment thus to treat an officer who had served so long
a period with credit, and who, when appointed to the
situation of paymaster, expected that due provision
would be made for him. In the army, when a plaice
man was appointed to a situation, and when the office
was in time abolished, he fell back on his half-pay. Se
(Mr. French) had been told, by Members of the Go.
vernment, that if he persevered in the course which he
was taking, he would, instead of serving those gerttlee
men, do injury to their cause; but he felt that he was
but doing his duty, and that great injustice was beinti
done by the Government in the matter.—(" Hear, hoar,
fromMe Irish Members.) He should, under all the
circumstances, oppose the Bill at a future stage, unless
justice were done to those gentlemen who had been ap'
pointed to the office of paymaster of the conatabuliarl
force in Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wokula
state very shortly the partidulars of the case. The Hon.
Member had stated that the Government did not uike
any step to abolish the office of paymaster of the con-
stabulary force in Ireland, until the payment of the °ace
became chargeable on the Consolidated Fund. Now tile
fact was that the payment of the office was always
charged upon the Consolidated Fund; and when the Ge-
vernment found that the duties of the office could be dis-
charged at a less expensive rate, it was their duty to
abolish it, and to adopt that cheaper mode. In cases of
superannuation, there was a fund from which provision
was made; but when an dace was to be abolished, eer'
lain reductions were necessarily to be made in conside•
ration of the compensation to be given. If the Eton-
Member should persevere in his course, he must sal
that he would altogether take out of his (the Chaneeller
of the Exchequer's) hands the power of compensating
the officers in whose behalf the Hon. Member was in'
terested.
Mr. BROTHERTON said that if the Honourable
Member for Roscommon succeeded in postponing this
Bill, he hoped another Bill would bo introduced nest
session, rendering the management of this matter in Ire-
land more consistent with justice. In Ireland the expense
of the constabulary was thrown upon the eonsolidsited
fund, whereas in England it was borne by the counties
and boroughs.
Colonel DUNNE observed that the appointment of
these officers was about as great a job as was ever per'
petrated. Ile hoped that there would be a proper revi"
sion of them.
Mr. CONOLLY brought forward the following
clause, though not for the purpose of opposing the Bill;
—" And whereas by an Act passed in the eleventh and
twelfth year of the reign of her present Majesty, inti"
tuled, `An Act to amend the Acts relating to the coo"
stabulary force in Ireland, and to amend the provisions
for the payment of special constables,' it is amongst other
things provided that the total number of officers and Weil
shall not for each county, city, or town, exceed the nuns,
ber specified in the schedule (A) thereto annexed, for
each county, city, or town therein named; and whereas
it is expedient to alter said schedule with reference to
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it therefore enacted that, the Lord-Lieutenant of
chief governor or governors of Ireland may alter fror,
time to time the number in said schedule specified to::
each county, city, or town; provided always that such
alteration shall not he made more than once in cirri
period of ten years; nod provided also that the nuooon,
so specified shall not in any case exceed ono to cv°,,.,
of the population as given in the census next
ceeding such alteration." It was absurd to contend thet
with the great diminution of the population of Irele__
that had recently been exhibited in the census the
oult`_
bar of the constabulary should remain dogmatically thae
same. no proposed,by this clause, to leave ther;::
proper amount of the force in each district, at the .