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Bested to extend the jurisdiction of these courts
to all cases in which the matter in dispute amounted to
1001.; but he would not propose it, at least for the pre-
sent. He also proposed that parties might by agree-
ment give jurisdiction to the County Courts in all cases
and under any conditions. He proposed to leave the ju-
risdiction by agreement absolutely unfettered. In many
districts ancient local County Courts were in existence,
possessing very extensive jurisdictions. Now, i❑ these
ancient courts the expenses were much greater
than they were in the County Courts. Now, he
proposed that the causes usually carried into
these ancient local courts should be transferred to the
County Courts, giving ccmpensation to the officers of
the ancient court out of the additional fees which would
be received in the County Courts. He proposed that
whenever a town council should petition the Queen in
Council to extinguish a local ancient court, and to trans-
fer its jurisdiction to a County Court, a Judicial Com-
mittee of the Privy Council should have the power
so to do.

SUN, LONDON,

had received from Mr. Verney, who had been commis-
sioned to inquire into the whole affair. The examination
had been instituted, and he learned from Mr. Verney's

letter that Miss Talbot was not a novice or even a postu-
late in the convent in which she had taken refuge.—
(Hear, hear, and ironical cheers.) This letter said that
Miss Augusta Talbot had taken refuge in this monastery,
he believed, with the pnrposo of benoming a nun.—
(Hear, hear, and laughter.) Now, what did Mr. Berkeley
say; why, that he was refused all intercourse and com-
munication with his step-daughter; but he (Mr. Reynolds)
had a letter from the Bishop of Clifton—(Loud cries of
" Hear, hear," and ironical cheers)—which was a suffi-
cient answer to the charge No. 2. From that letter it ap-
peared that Mr. Berkeley, so far from feeling all the ten-
derness and regard to Miss Talbot which he had professed,
had left it for five or six weeks without seeking any commu-
nication at all; and yet he said that she was immurred in
a convent.—(Oh, oh, and hear.) The Hon. Member for
Marrybone.—(Loud laughter.) Well, Mary-le-Bone.
But if the Hon. Member would have allowed him to read
the document out, he would not be ready to cry either
"Oh, oh," or " No, no."—(Laughter.) What was really the
state of the case? Why, that Miss Talbot was a ward in
Chancery—(Repeated laughter, and ironical cheers)—
and had been placed in a convent.—(Renewed laughter.)
He hoped this House was not going to be converted into
a second Exeter-hall, where ranting was the order of the
day.--(Repeated laughter, and cries of " Hear, hear,"
and ironical cheers.) Miss Talbot was a ward in Chan-
cery, placed in this convent with the consent of the
Lord Chancellor, and enjoying, under proper protection,
all the security that she 9r her guardians could desire.
She was the heiress of 80,0001., and he had heard from
a gentleman high in the Church that she was duly taken
care of.—(Hear, hear,) He had heard of such things as
Protestant nunneries, and perhaps the less he said about
these the better.—(Loud cries of " Hear, bear," the
House being much excited, and ironical cheers
being frequent from all sides of the House.)
That gentleman unwarrantably intruded himself into the
convent at Taunton, and being admitted, he hears from
the lady herself that she was not suffering under any re-
straint—that she was disposed to dedieate herself to the
service of God, and to employ her time in prayer, and if
she thought proper to dispose of her money
in educating the poor or relieving distress, why should
she and her affairs be dragged before this House?—
(Hear, hear.) Why should this House be made a
channel for calumniating a spotless lady?—(Hear,
hear.) Ho heard last night a second edition
of the under current now raging against the
establishment connected with the Church to which he
belonged. He had heard second hand what the Hon.
Member for Surrey had said, and yet no English Mem-
ber but the Hon. Member for Arundel had the honesty
to rise and rebuke the Hon. Member for Surrey. No
Member, however, was called to order unless he was per-
sonally offensive, but though the Hon. Member, in what
he said was not personally offensive to one individual
alone, yet his language was highly offensive to fifty mem-
bers of the House, who professed and believed in the
truth of the Catholic Church. It was an insult to him,
as well as to them, and he could not let this oppor-
tunity pass without expressing his indignation
at the conduct of the Honourable Member. The Hon.
Member said nunneries were brothels. Why he (Mr.
Reynolds) had visited many of these nunneries.—(Roars
of laughter.) He had relations in many of them. In
one of them he had two daughters, and there was not a
Catholic Member in that House, he would venture to
say, who had not a blood relative in some ono of them.
Why, then, should they bo maligned—brutally, beastly
maligned? He knew of no convent where the Indies
were imprisoned, for they were permitted to walk about
the grounds attached to the convent under proper
superintendence.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) In
spite of that ill-timed laugh, ho repeated his state-
ment. He hoped they were not about to have a
repetition of the scenes in Swiss countries whore the
inmates of convents were driven out without clothes in
the depth of winter, exposed to all the horrors of the
ss anon and the inclemency of the weather. The Noble
Lord, at the head of the Government was not present
when this gratuitous insult was offered to his creed, but
although during the hour and a quarter that the Noble
Lord was on his legs last night ho pointedly replied to
the speeches of the Hon. Members for Plymouth and
Ripon, the Noble Lord not only studiously abstained
from rebuking the Honourable Member for Surrey
for what he had said, but seconded the
insult by calumniating the ecclesiastics of the
Roman Catholic Church. The Noble Lord talked
about the clergy of that Church absolving soldiers and
police from their allegiance, and if hi 3 observations
were worth anything, they applied with as much
force to a Roman Catholic Member of Parliament
as to a Human Catholic soldier, sailor, or
policeman. He for one had taken as an
an oath, both in the capacity of a magistrate and a
Member of Parliament, in which he swore that it was
no part of his creed that princes excommunicated or
deprived by the Pope might be murdered or de-
posed by the subjects; bu according to the Noble
Lord that oath was worthless, because the clergy
could absolve or release him from keeping it.
He left a bitter feeling behind, under which he smarted,
and he hoped the expression would not be repeated.-
-(Hear.) Miss Talbot had been dragged through the
press, anh that leviathan the Times devoted a column
to-day to her case. He had good authority for saying
that she had never become a postulant.—(Hear, hear.)
He hoped the House of Commons would not be made
the arena for the discussion of such subjects.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had thought it advisable
in his speech last evening not to allude to the subject, as
he was not actually present when the discussion arose.
It was his desire to avoid saying scything which was
calculated to irritate or annoy the feelings of Roman
Catholic Members.--(Hear, hear.)
Mr. BERKELEY said the Hon. Member for Dublin
had stated what Mr. Craven Berkeley had said was a
falsehood; but he dared him to make that assertion in the
presence of his Hon. Relative. What the Hon. Member
for Dublin stated was totally unfounded.—(Cle ern.)
Mr. REYNOLDS, who rose amidst cries of "Order,"
and confusion, denied that he used the word falsehood,
or said that the object of Mr. Berkeley in going to the
convent was to obtain the young lady's money.—(" Oh.")
Lord ARUNDEL and SURREY observed that as the
case of Miss Talbot was fixed for a hearing before the
Lord Chancellor to-morrow (Saturday) it was a great
pity to enter into a discussicn of the whole circum-
stances on the present occasion.
Sir B. HALL considered that if the Hon. Member
for Dublin had examined the letter of a person styling
the Bishop of Clifton with fairness and candour, he
would have informed the House that this young lady was
a postulant.—(Hear, hear.) In that letter Mrs.
Henderson stated that, us the convent did not
admit boarders, Miss Talbot had herself suggested
that she should apply to be admitted as a postu-
lant, or a person desirous of taking the veil, and that
she was accordingly admitted as a postulant into the
convent in the beginning of September last.—(Hear.)
In his petition Mr. Craven Berkeley had stated that his
step-daughter had become a postulant, and the Hon.
Member for Dublin had denied the truth or this state-
ment, and again subsequently reiterated this denial,
whereas the fact itself was deliberately admitted in the
letter from ono of his own bishops.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. M. GIBSON said, that before the question was
put he wished to call the attention of the Noble Lord at
the head of the Government, and the Chaacellor of the
Exchequer, to the state of public business. It was now
the 21st of March, and he believed he might state with
truth that the House had only sat one night
fur the transaction of public business. He knew
that the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill was the cause of this
considerable delay, and he wished to put this ques-
tion, as there was only, practically speaking, a certain
limited duration of the session; and as there were many
other public interests which had a right to be attended
to, whether it was fair to appropriate so large a portion
of the whole session to the discussion of this question
of Papal Aggression. He admitted that great numbers of
of respectable people took an interest in that question—
(Laughfer)—but there were also numbers of people who
took an interest in other questions—the coffee duties for
instance. That important trade was now almost sus-
pended, and it became the duty of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer at once to come forward and propose the re-
solutions which would enable the Board of Customs to
make their regulations. The same was the
case with regard to the timber duties, and
he thought that he was entitled to make some
complaint of this unfair appropriation of the public
time. He hoped that if the debate were not concluded,
the Noble Lord would give some intimation that the
question would not be resumed with undue haste.—
(No, no.)
Sir T. L. ACLAND reminded the First Lord of the
Admiralty that he had not answered the question
which the lion. Member for the University of Oxford
had put to him.
Sir F. BARING said that the Admiralty had come to
the conclusion, after much consideration, that the time
had come when they were not justified in sending out
any more men to risk their lives in this service.
In the present instance there was no object to be gained,
because Captain Austin was provisioned for three years,
and further provisions had been left him at different
places.
Sir E. F. BUXTON hoped that the Admiralty would
reconsider this determination.
Admiral BERKELEY said that nothing could be
gained by this, as the whalers could bring back quite as
much information as any expedition which misght be
dispatched with orders not to be shut up in the icz.
tLANDLORD AND TENANT RIGHT.
Mr. A STAFFORD wished to ask the Right Hon.
Baronet, the Secretary for Ireland, whether it was the
intention of the Government to introduce any measure
with a view to settle the question of tenant-right in
England and Ireland. Such Bills were generally intro-
duced without hesitation, and it was the custom of the
House to passs the first reading without discus-
sion, so that no obstacle whatever was
interposed to the introduction of this Bill. He asked
the question, because unless he received a definite
answer he gave notice that he should shortly pus this
qunstion with a view to bring some measure in himself.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that it was certainly the
intention of the Government to bring in a Bill on the
subject as soon as possible, but that in the present state
of public business it was impossible to say on what day it
would be introduced.
THE BUDGET.

Mr. ROCHE said, that seeing the extent to which
the discussion on the Penal Bill to be imposed
on Roman Catholics bad extended, he, with other
Members, were very desirous of ascertaining the mode
in which the public business was to be conducted. He
gave notice that if this discussion was to be continued
through much longer time, he, with his friends, would
offer every opposition to the Ecclesiastical Titles
Bill which the rules of the House allowed.
lie saw that the Noble Lord had a Chancellor of the
Exchequer, and be supposed the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had a budget, and if the great finuti..
cial measure was to be postponed for the pur-
pose of passing the Bill to which be bad

referred, he should, with every means in its power,
postpone its settlement. He wished, therefore, that the
Ministry would give an answer to the question to the
Hon. Member for Manchester, Mr. Milner Gibson.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the question of the Hon.
Member for Manchester, and that :put by the Hon.
Gentleman who had just sat down, were of
a totally different character. The Honourable
Member complained of the delay of public
business, in consequence of the discussion of the Eccle-
siastical Titles Bill. All he had to say was,
that he wished most heartily that the debate on
that Bill had been closed on Monday last,
for he thought that the subject had been
pretty well exhausted.—(Hear, hear.) With re-
spect to the future, after the second reading of the Bill
had been passed, it was the intention of the Government
to proceed with the army and other estimates before
bringing the Government financial arrangements before
the House.

TIMBER DUTIES.
Mr. MACGREGOR gave notice that on Monday he
should put a question to the Government, with a view
to ascertain whether it was their intention to rem, the
timber duties with a view to relieve ship-owners.
THE CASE OF MR. LEWIN.
In reply to Mr. O'CONNOR,
Sir GEORGE GREY repeated that the young man
Lewin was seen in company with Thomas, the person
who had baen convicted of picking pockets near the Ex-
hibition in Hyde-park. No bail was offered for the ap-
pearance of either, but on the hearing of the the evi•
dence against Lewin was not sufficient to justify his con-
viction.
bpr. F. O'CONNOR said the Right Hon. Baronet had
een misinformed.

FRENCH POST.
Mr. WILLIAM BROWN wished to ask the Under
S.cretary of State what steps have been taken with re-
gard to the English mails from Paris arriving in London
in time to go by the morning mail into the provinces, cr
whether any negotiation is now pending on the subject,
as it was understood last year, when the Postal Com-
mittee was sitting, that there was reasonable expectation
that the French Government would expedite these mails
in time?

Mr. C. LEWIS said negociation were still pending on
the subject.
The motion that the House at its rising should ad-
journ till Monday was then agreed to.
ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ASSUMPTION

BILL.—ADJOURNED DEBATE.
Mr. B. OSBORNE then rose to resume the adjourned
debate, and declared that it should not be his fault if the
remainder of this debate did not continue in the tone
which the Right Hon. Baronet the limber for Ripon
had given to it. He was afraid, after the speeches of
the Right Hon. Baronet and the Hon. Member for Ply-
mouth, it was impossible for him to add anything
new to the discussion.

(LEFT SPEAKING.)

SPORTING NOTES.
No. XXI.
THE NORTHAMPTON AND

MEETING.