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for them. (Cheers.) They had revenue for the clergy-
man in every parish church sufficient to Provide for the'
due administration of Church worship. Tien, let them
not it:noose a contribution on the Di-Renter. I
allude' t now to the Tie,,!iou of t!4l extension of the
fra. „Ina. which is waive!, u„ !e; without the
vote by ballet. (FI a-) ft may be said that vote by
hail tis ne-E fish, ,net so is intimidation. (Cheers.)
The eleetne in recerlire hs vote, must be protected
fr ru in-irniclatien, and, seitheut vote by ballot, the ex
teerion of the franchise would be a nullity and a farce.
(Cheers.) There are men who can vote io the light. but
tnere are ethere who must vote i the Jar',:. (I.enid
eheeri-g ) Tr man who votes in the light may per-
haps see my lord or my iady 's carriage drive up to his
door, when he is told " We will deal with you no longer."
In such a case the eater is entitled to demand of the
Legislature a remedy, and that remedy is vote by ballot.
(Hear.) There are other questions of importance which
must press on the attention of the Legislature of this
country. One of those questions is our foreign rela-
tions, or, as they are familiarly called, continental poli-
tico. That question must occupy the attention of the
Legislature in the coming session. The horizon in that
quarter is dark and lowering. The alliance with France
is, I believe, cordial and sincere; upon our part it is.
Let us hope that that sincerity is mutual. I believe
that the alliance with England is essential to the Em-
peror's throne ; that with him it is a political necessity.
As a Liberal, I may net approve of the manner in
which the sceptre came to his hand. Like Augustus, he
seized the Crown, and amused his people with the
shadow of liberty. I should prefer to see in France re-
presentative institutions and a freedom of the press. But
the question is their own. If a nation so civilised and
so susceptible are satisfied with their present form of
Government, England has no right to complain. (Hear.)
We have an institution we value dearly, which we now
view as our birthright and inheritance; I mean the free-
dem of the press. (Cheere.) The Emperor of France
believes it to be dangerous to his crown. We know that
it adds stability to ours, and much as I value the alliance
with our neighbour—great as its advantages are to
England and to her commerce—l, taking a less selfish
view, say if this alternative is to be presented—whether
a rupture of that alliance, or our press is to be sub-
ject to the dictation of the Ilioniteur, the Siecle, or the
..Coustetutionne/—thatemen is a traitor to his ociuntry7llo
could not prefer the former. If the Metes,
the Daily News, and the Advertiser are to be gagged,
then I say, perish the alliance. (Cheers.) No absolute
monarch has a right to dictate to the press of this coun-
ry. With respect to free trade, I can only say I shall
ilways be prepared to advocate the views which the elec.
tors of Hull have ever expressed. I have not had time to
acquaint myself as I propose to do with your iocal inte-
rests, but as regards the repeal of the navigation laws,
chicle permits competition between British and foreign
sailors, I may say that neither the interests of the port
.f Hull, nor any other port, appear to have suffered by
hat measure. Where B•itish enterprise prevails there
trill it succeed, as Lin Palmerston said. Free trade,
,hat great measure of importance, introduced and car-
ried by Sir R. Peel, is now settled. I have attended here
not to ask you to pledge yourselves to any definite line
of conduct, hut merely to express my opinions, in order
hat you may consider them at your leisure. If any gen-
tleenau present wishes to put any question to me, I shall
;feel great pleasure in answering it. We have in our
iwn day seen very important measures carried. Civil
iisabilities of Catholics have been rerrerr id, and the Test
A.ct has been repealed. I believe that the people have
emfideece in the Administration i,f Lerd Peimereton. I
.eiieve that no statesman since Lord Chatham has done
much to maintain our national oorviur. (R.-.r, htar )
I eeliree t7iat t.e can., of Europ- has been his
o, ao6 I de- poLism quails at the
i P.,,mn -ton (Oneor,.) thorougbiy ni,der-
:a-,,! • • n ,-;::6us ail the feelings of the p•mple of this
• -• L' , aNd I augur that poli,ical and soriel
eee,-
a reterlee his G )veroulent. Pans-
struzglQ,s of war, tiro sign wry requircd
; and it is not because that during the last sessinn
U,VTi cemparative inactivity that we are to have
;ne,,,unis ,b 1 improvement in teat which is approach.
To • iinprovement can, an inu,t, be carried ont.
Vt)u inust hive the ext,eNion.of the franchise, the educe-
to,n ot the peopte, the Eoglish an i Iri-h Church must be
f ,rmed; the affairs of our colonies must be conducted in
mnr: awe manner, and the state of crime in this collie-
ry .nust b • ferced on the attention of the Legislature.
As regards Church reform I may refer to a phrase of
Lord E'don's—" If you elect a beadle of a parish with-
ait administering to him the sacraments, you will shake
be constitution of the Church." That is mere rank
nonsense ; it is like shaking a tree full of apples ; you
will only bring down the ro`ten fruit. Electors of Hull
—you have soon, within comparatively a short period,
religious intolerance and the civil disabilities of the
Roman Catholics removed—you have seen the proudest
and wealthiest aristocracy which the world evereaw give
way to public opinion and concede the great principle of
free trade—who yourselves have perhaps reaped advan-
tage from the repeal-of the Test and Corporation Acts,
who have assisted, as the column in your town records,
in the great cause of humanity, and struck the fetters
from the slave—who have enjoyed the franchise con-
ferred by the Reform Bill—you must feel that the course
,if legislation must be onward—not rash or reckless in-
novation, but steady, sound, social, and political ad-
vancement. (Cheers.) The franchise must be extended
—the masses must be educated, All distinctions which
interfere with civil rights on the ground of religious °pi-
alone must be removed and swept away. The govern-
ment of our vast empire in the East must be ameliorated.
Our colonial dependencies must be administered in a
more liberal and enlightened spirit—the vast increase in
crime andlbe'reforMation of the criminal Must be deals
with in a coMPietinsive and statesmadlike_manner—thu
restrietions ou c,esenzuesedal enterpOse roost • iroy
with—the revenues of the
.Enklish and 'arch
must be fairly adjusted to the spiritual wants of the
people. Measures such as these are not, I believe, dan-
gerous innovations, but are calculated to strengthen the
security of property—to unite more closely the ties
which bind the two great orders of society together—to
attach the people to a lova of order, to Parliament and
the Crown, and to render yet brighter and more glo-
rious the future and the destinies of this great empire.
(L cheers.)

[ PL. 40. :.STAIVIPJiII)

been entirely neglected, and we hay nothing wheie,er
the shape of a staff. He well recollected the Duke of
Wellington saying to him, soon after his return front
ethneemtnyo,upatrnoadvgiat,ilioneny.
Portugal, "If I were to put 10,000 men in Hyde-park,
I could not get one man in a thou,and who c',uld take
twboeStimuldsffie;
vgie
ehant:l
to military training. Put English soldiers before the
hwaodrktoof campaigning they atatention e‘tr,oi tdi
geo
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through
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but
tt
when
bhheeee
nan
et pthuseiaydl
were nowhere at first. There-
fore he did ri)t thick that either the generals or the Go-
vernment were aeseverable f r the loiig siege of Sebes-
, -poi ; it was the eye, em which had been pursued by
Parliament for years before. Neither were the Govern•
went to be blamed for the fall of Kars. The siege of Se-
bastopol war still proceeding, and it was impossible for
the allied generals, without risk to that operation,to send
any help to Kars. It was an unavoidable misfortune, and
the Government had nothing to do with it. The 'people
of this country did nut sinquire for themselves—they
looked to the Times newspaper to he told everything, and
they believed all they were told. The consequence veasthat
officers were afrai t to take commands for fear of being
abused by the Tinto. From the language of Lord Pal-
merston at Manchester and at the Guildhall it would
appear that peace depended upon whether Russia kept
her engagements or not. It was to be hoped she would.
He had not altogether approved the peace, but be sup
posed it was the best we could get at the time. He should
very much have liked to make her pay the expenses of
the war. We bad to act, however, in concert with the
French Government ; and, whets two Governments were
acting t gether, there could not be as much unity as it
.but one Power was concerned. He aid not feel able tt'.dimities at-present about the Preach • oilianca-iirbsther ;it j
was good or not. He hoped the French nation would
always be with us for good purposes, but it certainly gave !
him sums misgivings to see a nation which was fre:
fighting alongside of a nation which was not free. Louis
Napoleon was a great man and a clever man or he cow,
not have dme ail he bad done. Had he not got rid of a
troublesome Parliament, for instance? (Laughter.) There
were some people in Eogland who would be very glad a
do the •:.btine thing if they could. It would very met
simplify their work, and they would get their money
much more easily ; and really Parliament now seemed o
no use except to vote supplies. That was all they ap-
peared to be called together for. Legislatien seemed to b.
brought to a deadlock, and unless some new arrangements
were devised for the transaction of business it would be
impossible to get on. The house ought to be divide
into large committees before which different bills cone,
be dißtu,ed in their details at the same time, and the
whole house night afterwards bare the opportunity 01
deciding on the merits of each. In this way there woue.
be a chance of doing something. As to the war in the
Baltic, it had net been well conducted. It was know
a year before the first campaign that we were going t
ass-. and he bad in vain urged the Admiralty t.r prepare,
to cenieiseien ship=, and to d s ipline men, but it w.'
in. until Februaie, 1854, that they b gat to get tea •ti,
aeie tee .11i/ewers A-,re to b suns. For the disa. ter,.
tens Cri.it a, of a biCIL-t-.) praigt, toe Times for tint:.'—,:•
on, r, a1,,e11, Lad giver. accui.att•
stn-log p ete e, 1)13:fle,
- for net ;13V 11,11 fie loiter nasal pep,:
Still w. oli!y • folic:wing the 0!
!). in,dst,,d op by P
-r•. 134), 011;;a,,;,:d in Cie bjri
tit French had a lar,:er, fl-e; ttia3 ~ee had, ttnu
SOO 000 under arms, aiiii triers, was kin:. lit le &alb*,
at. if L PLiippe ra l adipted polic,,
stay might sit`: ease have 6- en thrown on our meet-se
We were le the sane unerot -tied wnien the
affair occurred. He would not now go into the que-tia
of the Baltic campaign, which bed ben settle 3, as far a
it coiled be settle tat present , in he House of Commons
He had told there a plain, straightforward story, ver.
word of it true, though it could not be expected that be,
woo was unuse,i to debatiog, could make head success
fully against Sir James Graham—a mat unscrapuloue
man—not to La.° a harsh word—(laughter)—who comes
make black white, and white black, at his pleasure.
Since the conclueien of peace be had been to Croustade,
to satisfy himself whether be bad done right or wrong
in not attacking it. He found the fortifications stronger
even, he confessed, than ho had believed teem to be
when he was there with the fleet. Ie fact they were
perfectly and entirely impregnable. The Grand Duke
Constantine had granted bun an interview, and had
shown him all his plans of defence, and, certainly,
more judicious and more proper plans never were can
ceived. He was a man of great talent and ability, and
bad spoken to him in a perfectly honest, plain, straight-
forward way. His remark to me, said the gallant
admiral, was, "If you had attempted to come in there
would have been nearly 1,000 guns bearing on your
fleet, there was nut water enough for your large ships,
the channel was narrow, and it was so thickly filled with
infernal machines that our own ships going in and out
were afraid of being blown up." " Will you allow me,"
said I, "to speak plainly to you ?" Why did you not
come out to meet ns at Kiel? We were then badly
manned and badly dieic.plined. If you had come out I
don't know what the cooseqUerioes might have been."
" All," said the Grand Duke, "if I had bad screws I
should have came out to meet you. I did not know
that you were so badly manned until it was too late."
And I think, added the gallant admiral, that it was
luckily he didn't come. Nut that there was an Eng
lishman there who would not have fought to the la,t
drop rather than retreat ; but after all, ships without
disciplined men are no better than fortifications without
soldiers. People are fond of talking about the British
navy being unconquerable ; but the British navy is men,
cot ships. (Hear, hear) Tae gallant admiral then pro-
ceedsd to allude to the late correspondence between
himself and Sir H. Peel. Teat, he said, was not yet
cniciuded. He had written to Lo.d Palmerston, desir-
ing him to lay his case before the Cabinet, and not having
received an answer to that letter he had written a second
time, and until he had received an answer from the noble
;lord it would only be right in him to maintain a due
reserve on the subject. He was not afraid of having his
conduct inveetigated. He had demanded an investiga
tion, and if the Government did sot grant it, it would
.go far to prove that they wee afraid that something
would come out which would prrjudiee them in public
opinion. The gallant admiral then sat down amid loud
sleets.

.a i.a_:

Mr Z. PEARSON begged to ask the learned gentleman
what wrrt. his views regarding the repeal of the Sound
dues and shipping tolls, which pressed heavily on the
commerce of this country ?

Mr. JAMES—I think the Sound dues mud greatly ins
terfera :with the shipping it.te,rests of Hull, and I will
give my best attention to the subject. I may bare repeat
that I have cot yet well considered the questions affect-.
mg your local interacts, which I shall be better prepared
to answer when next I hare the honour of meeting you.
In reply to other questions by electors, Mr. JANIS
said he was opposed to the present system of promo•
tion in the army, than which nothing c.hild be worse,
as advancement should be by merit, and not through
inflaence. With respect to the endowment of May.
nooth, the learned gentleman said he was on principle
t, all endowinews ; hilt ilti 13,,U,Zbt Mr.
k-n,r's motion on 51,37,1,),;;1i SaVol:re I too much of
re;ivi..uA intot• race. It tie had the honour of becoming
t-te r repre-c itative, which he thought he shonitl--(hear,
h.. o—he vpould !alto the liberty of moving that the
le gle,tion en,lowthez,tf/, itri;urling the. Recium,
Donurct t
trio PresT)yteriais 4 IfelmA. Oe con-
siderrd, as it wag unfair tat Mayna,th alone should
b., attacked. He w.mld apps; tcq the consideration of
all endowments in a comprehensive spirit., but he would
not oppose any single endowment fir the mere purpose
of gratifying bigotry.

A vote of thanks was then proposed and carried to
boat the hon. mem .ers fi.r their con Ina to t past
ststiou, and the proceedings tenni tat.A.

IR. 11 WIN JAMES, Q.C., AP BULL.

MILL, Nov. 10.

This evening a large and influent:al meeting of Ltie
electors of Kingston-upon-Hull a4seinhled io t:tc C irn
Eschanle tor the purp.ise of hearing from Mr. Edwin
James, Q.C., one ot the candidates for the representa-
tion of the Borough, an expositi ,n of his p ditical
opinions. Amongst the leading inhabit Ants we unitised
Mr. Middleton (in the chair), Mr. Aiderspan Abbey,
Mr. A:dennan Rundeil, Mr. Coo (hanker), Messrs-
Richard-on. Dobson, Brodrick, Carla!, &o.
The CHAIRMAN having introduced Mr. James to the
electors ith a few appropriate remarks,
Mr. JAMES, who on comin forward was received with
loud cheers, said—Mr. Chairman and gentlemen electors
of tee borough of Kingston-upon-Hull, I have come
amongst you as a perfect stranger, and as such you have
given me a welcome. I do not come forward to oppose
the interests of my friend Mr. Clay, for whom I had the
honour of being counsul on the petition presented
ag.tinst his return, and it would be ungrateful in me to
appear before you as his opponent ' • but grave doubts
exist as to his eligibility to be elected as your represen-
tative in the present Parliament, in consequence of his
having been unseated on the petition presented against
his return. I come amongst you independently, and the
same as any other liberal candidate. if I believed Mr.
Clay could sit as your representative, I would not for a
moment jeopardise your interests. It would be a hard
day for Hull if he were elected by your suffrages, and
eras then unable to take his seat through a legal impe-
diment. I come here, therefore, rather than that the
common foe—the Tory—should succeed. Rather than
that the interests of this borough should be sacrificed, I
put myself forward as a liberal candidate. (Hear, hear.)
I am aware of the responsibility I have undertaken in
coming here, and I am also aware of the objection
which exists to having lawyers in Parliament, and
properly so, in many cases. But if a lawyer attends to
your interests, he is the beat qualified to advance them.
I know the position you are placed in in consequence
of the elevation of my friend Mr. Baron Watson to
the bench. I bare carefully perused the blue book
they
turn
on the Local Dees Bill, which your late representative
advocated so ably. and so warmly. He has done much
to remove the prejudice which exists against members of
shouldought t be Parliament being lawyers, and in suyppmoratyopf
otandiserly appo--
peal to the electors to say whether be nos not discharged
the trust imposed on him with honour and fidelity. I
am not here fur the purpose of asking you to pass a
resolution or pledde, but merely to address you so thatny
thatijot
dt the
John
o franchise
Russell
the electors of Hull may become acquainted with m
think
hihtieiocma:
that
sentiments,hfaftr ottme de 02 circumstancesoi no
democratic
tr
idoe er l
et
itmh
aetn shouldtt ho
f the Houseemen o tie C. o rar -
over
out that Mr
Clay should not be in a position to represent you. I am.
mons may be placed on a more extended basis.
The measure for the extension of thetrach(iseearo.)
ebe rememberedt ud•extended.
p I
with gratitude by every maof '
13. independence in this
country. Public opinion will soon carry an extension of
poofunopdiedniobny
the franchise, and if .1 save the honour of becotnin ui
representative, I wiii do ley heel; Lo snl )P °rt... it. (C.;Ife):;, )
On the question of educat. .
1 •n, I may say it is treatel in
different ware by different parties, and the consequence
is that the country is felt without -what she is entitled to
—a comprehensive system of education. There ehonid
be no seciar ani
. , sat to mar such a scheme. On Church
rates, I stated in au address that had I the honour of
Dying in Pardament. I should have advocated the bill in-
treiuced by Sir W. Clay for the abolition of Church rates,
and I hope to see soma such measure speedily adopted.
i am a member of the Established Church, but I think,
i 2 tilt fued, ut dot. Chhich were well admit isiered there
wou,H he a.nn!e fn. its wi,:;;..,. I would not tax the I). . 1
seater, by au impost, which is odious to hint, fora ChicreL,
which has ample revenues of her own. (Cheers.) Tney '
say the rates are imposed to secure theluxuries of Church
service. Then, let- these who require ouch luxuries pay

An ELEcTort asked the learued gentleman's opinion
on the tleket-if-leave system.

_
Mr. JAMES--I am well qualified to give an opinion
on that subject, having recently, in my capacity of
Recotder of Brighton, transported two ticket-of-leave
men. In my judgment, nothing can be worse than the
present system. For instance, a criminal who imposes
on the credulity of the gaol chaplain obtains his ticket
of leave, walks into a jeweller's shop, and murders the
jeweller. (Considerable merriment was here caused,
arising from the fact that the questioner was himself a
jeweller who had recently been robbed by ticket-of-leave
men.) _

With regard to secret diplomacy, Mr. JAMES re-
marked that there was no occasion for it, as when it was
going on mischief was always brew ng. His opinion of
the property and income tax was, that the less they had
of it the better.
A vote of thanks having been passed to the chairman,
and three cheers having been given for Mr. James, the
meeting separated.