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e, tetei ret sate e fixiros the
est" re- s oa, 6,02e1 te year. With re-
gerd to tee suireies' toed anti fee fend, he thought the
Cheoecellor of the Exchequer should make some state-
ment en the sith]e,ct. fie would Katie greettr hens of a
thorougb refoeto iu Chaecery, if a majority of the com-
mitsiotiers were not members of the bar.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the irainbearers were to dis-
chagge the ordinary duties ot judges' messengers. He
thougat We sehodoe prepared by the But were just, and
that tee menegemeat ot the suttee:: fund was also in
aticoreance with proper prieciplea.
Sta.T. GRA (I I.M eon-idt red that, however high the
fiwctioeS ot the proposed judites, it was the hest pelicy
to have the effise of Lerd Cheeer lier alter.") s preserved as
the highest reward of the profestion. Ile wished to know
what had become of the Bid of last year, which hail been
prsmised on the recommendation ot the Committee?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that as err at changes might
take place with regard to the official salaries, he did not
wish to remodel the duties while a Commission was sit-
dug on the subject.
After a few words from Mr. Hume, Sir H. Willoughby,
the Selicitor-General and Mr. Henley, the blanks in
chime 18 were agreed to be filed up with the sums
400/. for secretary's salary, 2501. for usher, 1001. for
trainbeater, and 401. for au interior officer.
The clause au amended was then agreed to.
Clause 19, being a new clause, was postponed, and
clause 20 agreed to.
Sir J. GRAHAM wished to know whether any pro-
vision was to he made relative to the judges having seats
in that House—a point upon which ho bad differed from
the Noble Lord on a former occasion?
Lord J. RUSSELL said these offices being new ones,
according to the Act of Anne, they could not sit in Per-
lament.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL then proposed a
idin clause •
suggested by the Hon. Slenaber for Newark, provg
for the continuous sittings of those judges, which was
brought up and added to the Bill.
The House then reuened, the Chairman reported pro- '
gress, and the third reading fixed for Monday next.
The Committee on the Inhabited House Duty Bill was
postponed till Monday.
Mr. iIUM.E gave notice of a motion for a Committee
of the whole flouse,in order to move certain amendments
on this Bill.
Mr. DISR &ELI thought it was. but fair that Hon.
Members should have an opportunity of introducing such
motions as they thought fit upon that Bill.
WOODS AND FORESTS BILL.
Lord SEYMOUR then moved that the House should
go into Committee on this Bill.
Lord DUNCAN said he would move the instruction
to the Committee which he had carried in the early part
of March, in the shape of an amendment on the fourth
clause.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY thought there cught to be
some information given to the House with respect to that
Bill, which had pasted its other stages at such late hours
test no discussion could take place upon it.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the offices of Works and
Woods end Faresta had been blended together some years
ago; and certain inconvenience having been the result,
it was contemplated to remove them by that Bill. It
was thou-ht teat the office of Works should be one de-
parent, et, represented by a Member in that House, who
would bring forward estimates and transact the business
for the service ef the revenue.
Mr. TRELAWNY was understood to object to the
Bill, as not going properly into the grievances with which
it proposed to deal. The abuses which existed in the
Woods aid Fereets department were numerous and
well keown. It would be found by reference to the
papers before toe 11,,use that out of 26,000 ecrea in the
New Ferest, nothing had been thrived tor the lest ten
) ears; and several o:h r large forests and tracts ul ls.nd
had been eqrally nem-eductive.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said the more he considered the
sutject the mote he was staittied of the mismanagement
of tee Crown prop: ley. What was wanted was god
manegeutent, and he was afraid that the Bill would
not supely that went. He did not think the principle
of the Bill would satisfy the country, as it would leave
the management a mere Treasury affair. The country
would, no doulit, be satisfied with separate boards, with
boards in-lepentleut of toe Treasury; but he was sure the
Bill -would eceemplish neither the one nor the other.
Sir C. BURRELL said, with regard to the New Fo-
rest, unless care .vas taken to keep cattle out, the young
trees wool-1 be irretrievably damaged. Ile thought it
would be advisable to sell the injudicious land lots rather
than to enclose them. He was satisfied it would fetch a
considerable sum or money.
Mr. GOULBURN said the Bill went no further than
to improve the Crown lands and to improve the manage-
ment. He thought the Bill ought to have been more
definite in its details. Before the House passed the Bill
let them make up their minds which system they would
have, as the Bill appeared to contain two systems.
Lord SEYMOUR would reply to the objections. The
first objection was as to the unsatisfactory condition of
the New Forest. He had done what he could to re-
medy that Complaidt by bringing in Bills, and a Bill
was now before a Committee up stairs, which, if carried
out, would simplify the system, and do away with the
complaints against it. The next objection was, that the
New Forest did not supply timber for the navy. He was
on a Cumasitt e on that subject, and a letter from the
Adeeiratty in 1833 teas laid before them. In that letter
the Admiralty waived the right to select timber from
the New Forest, and recommended that no more timber
should be cut. The Admiralty also recommended that
no timber should be cut in the Royal forests that was
not going into a state of decay. Now, if they were not
to cut timber till it was going to a state of decay, and,
of course, useless, they were not to blame that the de-
partment did not make money of its timber. It was an
unfortunate recommendation, as timber which was going
e
back, which meant going to decay, was worthless; and
o revenue.and thTlareaftor e
under that system it was impossible the Royal forests
could
se peduce
many
}ears,
letterit hadwa
sb eheanrdbleyfofraeirthe
u
say that the forests had made no property of their
timber. • Next, as to the accounts. He had read a Mr.
Anderson's letter, showing that the accounts were in
a bad state. For two years Mr. Anderson had
been employed in arranging the accounts. He had
completed his arrangement, and nothing could now be
more complete than the statement of the receipts and
expenditure. If they looked into the accounts they
would see they were prepared on Mr. Anderson's plan and
recommendation. Therefore as far as the question of the
New Forest and the accounts went, they were completely
answered. It had been said that the forests led to great
1 icy expenses. No doubt they did, and that was the
reason why he brought in a Bill to establi.h a new set
of rules, end to put the system on a better footing. The
lot. Member opposite said this was a Treasury Bill.-
Now, he thought the best mode of securing good ma
tisgemeht in a department was to put it under Treasury
eoatrol, as the Treasury was responsible for the expen-
diture. With regard to the complaint that there were
two suggestions in the Bill, he admitted tae Bill
hdid
iterreit the aitt,ption of an riltereative sestern. He ad
introduced a cleuse pith the view of effecting an im-
provement in the lands revenue. He wished to have
,urveyor as a general manager, and a precirel land
stoveyur under him es his deputy, who was to travel
over the prop,rty and bring back teformatiou as to its
capabilities and condition, for it was impassible thet
eny one in an effice could otherwise obtain such in•
formation respecting a property which was spread over
forty c tunties. As to the general character of the
Bill, the great object it had in view was to facilitate
the undo rstataling of tie complicated accounts. There
were so many thousand items that it was difficult
to un lerstand the accounts. It he wished to
give a proof of the errors into which persons
aright tali, he would instance the statement of the Hon.
Nlembtr for Bath, who, in speaking of the lend revenue
law expense. said the fsolicitors' bills amounted in seven
years to 79..000/. This at the time he thought was
te morer-
than the usual earliatuentary exaggeration; and he af
wards looked into toe accounts, and so far from finding
that the sum was 79,0001., he found that mere than halt
the charge ens for purchases of land for metropolitan
and other improvements. There must be legal expenses
in making these improvements. The House would have a
park etude— say at Battersea. Here was a little specimen
of what the lawyer had to do. The rights were endless,
and cenflictieg; when placed on paper they looked like
a tailor's pattern card. The Noble Lord created scree
emusemeet by unfolding the plan of Battersea-park,
in which scores of small properties were marked out
belonging to different owners, the rights and value of
which had to be determined by legal investigation.
The House said, " You must make this park, and deter-
mine all these rights, but don't let us have any law ex-
penses All he could say was, that like his predecessors
he must incur law expenses, and all he could promise
was to keep them within reasonable limits.
Lord DUNCAN, in explanation, said he had taken
his figures from the returns. It was the returns that
were to be blamed if any mistake had occurred.
Mr. FUME slid the question was one of
portance. This country was aware of the gross abuses
of the Crown revenues, in consequences of the statement
of his Noble Friend. Now, what was it the Govern-
ment proposed to do? He did not object to the Bill
being a Treasury Bill; but he asked the House to recol-
lect why they had the management of the Crown reve-
nues. `They were yielded to the country in lieu of
365,0001. granted to the Crown. Ile asked whether any
individual, having property much scattered and very
much mismanaged, would not desire to see it differently
managed. The Noble Lord had refered to the Admi-
ralty fetter; but it should be re tollected that the reason
why the Admiralty did not buy New F rest timber was,
because about 21. a load more than the fair market price
was asked. He was confident, if the Crown lands were
properly managed, they would produce enough to defray
the expense of the civil list. The Noble Lord tried to
cover some of the grossest jobs by prodwieg a state•
went of legal proceedings. But the abuse of lega
10 l pro-
ceedines was, that the suits were going on for o 2r 1
years, fees going ou all the time, and no appareat tar-
ye et these suits. It was madness to attempt to
retain the onettegement of property distributed over 40
counties, Tie question was, whether they had not ar-
rived at the time when the sale of all the mailer pro-
pk,rti.es and fee-rents should take place.
Me. HENLEY said that the Bill was divided into
two parts, one of winch would iegulete the land reve-
nues, and the other the buildings; and it seemed to
him that they weir so curiously framed, and more
especially the first past, that no person would tot directly
reepenstole for the mode of carrying out the measure
eoefesstel that that, was, in tie opinion, a very serous
objection to the Bill ac it then stood. The onetime
might be improved in Committee; but he could not say
he thought that it of; red, in its present shape, any
stcurity that that properly would be much better
utatitteed for the fatute than it had formetly tietn
maitegod; and yea unyth,ng wore than the former
managemeet could not well toe certeeived.
The CaANcELLoIt, of the EXCHEQUER said that
the respominnity in that case would rest with the Trea-

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the, i• ••• •• • •• • •.•
.• set Ot. le" ‘,
tee Iteeee
tees ()%• . •
coons' -
Ur. Rum.E eeked whether the ro j
t,?-.,
of the Lord Cheeeellor issuing
, an order to alter ~Ite
"ehcee of preeseding in the Master's oces, en as to have
opeu the public atel the preeeediege to g
FioreOll day ro dsy.
Lord 3. RUSSELL said that t'ne system of hour war-
rants s eed the pro-
T 3 Etn•AiThed in the Micro = -d ,
r"insts went on rees,ulaely. Whether- ;he phew)
,er
aBt ye=ar worked' to' the entire setietactioe of the cubic
he "Al net say, tacc.,use wa.,, net very ee.ey to eh.
away
Further
on-- 11 the datelines that t-teod the
lway.
'
thneirlutente of the levy veaul i most orehah yt• be,
required, mid the Lord Chancellor who was devo: ut7
much attentien to the satject, weeld be quite ready o
adopt any impeevement is the low that could t!eiug
Rested. Ile was dispesrd to give very grt et weight to
the objections
f the Itieht Lion. Baronet Ceie Member
fctltilri;,a (1' cto pay every respect to the high legal
authority which he had quottel. When the propeettl
bQfoot the • ~. ee
Pa
appoletmet ot v ce- was brought
rlianaente, in 1811, C
thohancellors to Sir Samuel
thaT
ttlY made the observations
falsified.
to. But
prediction was entirely Another
the, of that distingeished was.,t.hat
s Lord Chancellor would not then hear original
ethics,
but his whole time would be occupied hearing
appeals. No. since the time cf Lord Eldon, the very
tiblest men in the law had been appointed. to the office of
Lord Chancellor, and he did not think that this Bill
• them of me aof Wouldstint-
have the effect of depriving
still sit in
thewould
Court of. Chancery to decide upon the moat difficult
.1.14'4, and would also preside in the House of Lords.
-Le, would still be the great bagel authority to whom. his
colleagues in the Govetnment would look upon questions
of law. It would be the interest of the Gove rweent to
procure the very first men at the bar to fill ,the office;
"leo he saw nothing in the present measure to throw any
°Ostacies in the way of effecting their object. The Bill
would give the Lord Chancellor much more time to de-
Vote to the question of legal reform. His first duty was
vt° do justice to causes that came before him, and to de-
Vte the utmost attention and labour to a proper consi
ueration of them. It wes, however, impossible for any
man, however able and learned, to accomplish eatisfac-
Orily all those duties that belonged to the uffi.;e. The
4:".1 gave great facilities in that respect. Ile thought
141 the best way of laying a proper foundation for this
reformwas to hive an architect who would seer that the
foundation
was well laid. By this Bill they would have
sach a person, and he hoped that the Committee would
ake such a course as would render his services available
chkEr. J. EVANS wanted to know why the Masters ire
ancery could not tike original causes, and thereby
render it uure eessary fix suitors to encouuter t he great
"Pense and inconvenience of first going before V to Court
Of Chancery?
The clause was then agreed to, as were clam tes 2,3,
4' 5, and 6,
On clause 7 being proposed,
111% HENLEY said there was a provision in this Bill
to,tizest the ease of a different opinion in the jurigss
u nothing 10
appelleee, jurisdiction; but there was
-g 10 it to provide for the contingency of a diffe-
rence amongst the judges when ;re ing original muses.
t ill Mr. BE I'HELL thought it was the intention, of tae
rat ly causes,) in original causes, that the judges should sit sepa-
.
*The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that these judges
nets only to hear originel toroth in he event of the ill
~ or accidental abs.enee e Vltce-Chencellor. It
as intended to discoorage as much as po9!,thl. thoFe
aTige3 Sitting singly. If there were a difference of opi-
-I°rl under such eirleina;tances as those referred t o, there
mustio such CaSPS be 'A rehearing.
Mr. BETHELL though; it would be much better to
give th
tan the power of rehearing only in such cases to when
ja—' Judges should agree that there should be a rehear-
-43-g• There would be much mischief and iecoovemeece
ftfPerieneed in giving the power to the Lord Chancellor
of deeldine, upon a rehearing.
far PI RUSSELL ohserved that the judges who dif-
be in (Tithe-I ueon the merits of the teem its' =lt would
ord° to diff..r in opinion as to the propriety of
"inga h •re eareig.
e The clause, having been verbally amended, was then
-gged to.
Clause
8, after a brief discussion, was also agreed to.
jr,,°3es 9 to 13 were agreed to.
ksruar,cleuse 14 being proposed,
to iII'P'TEIELL remarked that it was a very impor-
jeentause It proposed to diminish the strength of the
Ran, 141 Committee of the 'privy Council. It would
thalle Power ot deciding appeals C-ora the colonies to
law, resident of the Council, a layman, and to three
/ernr,.B,'_ Re suggested that there should be four law-
af,;" the Committee.
Ras b A"T supported tho elau se. When there
t EN
basin,2l single judge—Sir William Geant—sitting, the
°f the Priv Council was conducted in a satis-
die ()
4 ra,anner* He ydid not think that an increase in
thottg%tlf?er of the judges was an iraprovementHe
the elt would be inconvenient to have four judges.
Present '''CILICITOR-GENERAL considered that the
great e%stitution of the Judicial Committee gave
the clsna,t'faction to the public. He was for retaining
Mr .
e as it stood.
e D
have a 'IC. PALNl.blit considered it of importance to
raitte; large number of judges on Vle Judicial Com-
the Bo that its decisions might ;give satisfaction in
rcOlonies•
qtl e„
4-4ord „ J. RUSSELL said that MO plaints were free
,d7"31 made of the difficulty of makiii g a quorum of the
total Committee. That-was an inconvenience that
Int to be guarded against, and the es omedies suggested
here_ to make three a quorum instead tof four, and them
4.°
b make other judges members of the Privy Council, so
kl that they should be members of the Judicial Com-
kittee. He had no objection that their e should be a pro-
. '4BO that the three members of the judicial Committee
for hearing appeals should be judge. e —that is members
• of the legal profession. He did net t I ink, however that
hey should insist upon the President of the Council be-
. 'g in attendance.
Mr. BETIIELL suggested the insertion of the
It2fds " exclusive of the Lord Presillent for the time
being
The clause, as amended, was agree (I. to.
Clause 15 was struck out.
Clause 16 was agreed to.
On clause 17,
IA answer to Sir H. WILLOUGI,C3Y,
The SOLICITOR GENERAL waft(' that the provision
ttill the clause was that in future this Lord Chancellor
lf cold not be paid 10 COOL, a year out of the suitors'
oud, but only such a su-n as would unake, with the al-
er,coce given for Speaker of the Ho Ilse of Lords, a sum
,!0,0001. a year.
clans. 18,
ti he SOLICITOR-GEINTERAL s aid be had an addi-
tt"
t° Proviso to teis clause. Noti. 'ea had been given ot
asielicuse attthorieing the appointm ot a secretary,
thQ"'s= and train-bearer to earls of tl se new judges. It,
elaUSe now before them proviaic; a wts made for the
alitries Of the new judges, and he proposed to add a
trorision for the saleriee of the Cie -rti he had rn't-
:ile,(l. Its proposed that a salary of 4001.- a year should
• 10 or tor each secretary, 2501. l'ter esch usher, end
to the
a year for each train-o-arer. the Bill relating
all" aPPoirstment of Vie --Chancel! or Turner 801. was
e °wed for a court-keeper. The e. elariee of the othecti
t(o,urt.ite,
pers was only 401., but as this was coneider,
tijo 3°2111 a sum he proposed to mist ) the salaries of all
Ilieuceurt-keepers to 801. He did rot propose by this
AP) nepeiet any new court-keeper s.
AtiLION BY said, if these officers were necessary
",d not think the salaries too ft' ea.h. His object in
Plg watt t the attention of the e Committee to the
a‘,l Out of which the saleries of th z judgee were to be
.5 he doubted much whether it r e suitors' fund was
e best for that purpose. There w are two funds in the
Court of Chancery—the suitors' fu sad and the suitors'
see fund, amounting, he was tol d,to the enormous
111 of 200,0001. a year. The ju ages were paid out
tthe suitors' fund, and the office re of court and
cer-
° compensations wee° paid ou :t of the fee fund.
*qccording to a return which he b ad moved for some
time ago, but which had only b een delivered that
day, it appeared that from 1842 to November last, the
salaries sad compensation paid to c. „min officers of the
Court of Chancery amounted to no less than 589,000 e
Another return showed that there hod been paid to the
sworn clerks for salaries and con ipeneatien, from the
Passing of the Act to November, 1830, re less than
111,086/. 18s. 11d. Ile had taken ale trouble to "core
"(tin the sum paid for compensation to ono of those
clerks,
not only up to his death, butt for the seven years
beyond it as provided by the Act„ and he found that
Would amount to upwards of 25,000/:., and another would
receive
no less then 70,0001. The whole amount would
174,0001. If the judges were pond out of the Con-
solidated Fund instead of out of the suitor's fund the
suitorsiil would be proportionally rt diered. He did not
theit right to place the salaries o the new judges on
"40 suitors' fund.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the suitors' fund
"°asisted of the interest paid on mi raey deposited in the
:flll that House had thought the suit. irs should be released
to regard to fees. He should not enter upon the ques-
o,..°ll of compensation, but might re nark that the charges
"
ei the fee fund were continually c liminishieg. A few
weeks ago, by an order of the Lord Chancellor, the
eliarge on suitors with respect to fees had been dimi-
ti!alled to an extent of 20,0001. y ear, and he believed
"'ill further reductions would be effected.
"tats H. WILLOUGHBY wished to know the present
of the suitors' tuud, and the amount of it that was
applicable to purposes of a public nature? ,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL e aid the Hon. Baronet
I.,,all,llliStaken if he thought the suitors' fund consisted of
h-"
e'llinaed dividends. It was formed of a surplus which
•-tt? °lie could claim. This surplus had been invested, and
us interest thereon was as much the property of those
Vel° invested it as the interest trade by bankers who in-
eted money deposited with them. Aceerding to a re•
turn Wade last year, the surplus after deducting all
Charges amounted to about 45,00.01. a year. Ile now
eroposed to place on that fund the ,cearge of 14,0001. to
Which this Bill related.
ilr, al/ uE thought the salaries. of all public officers
ought to be paid out of the Coueolideted Fuad, other-
'tithe the public were kept in ignorance of the actual ex-
t!nditure ef the country. Ttaey ought ro be consistent.
dividende were ordered to he paid into the
Exchequer until claimed. The eultors' fund consisted of
"lock of the value to 3,525,0001, the deeicleuds eu which
amounted during the year to 103,398:. The whole
narges on it were 67,5001., leaving a surplus invested
,„", of 45000/., but of 36,0001., which he contended
.tegnt to be brought to the public account. With regard
'aQtaithei.,fee food, the receipts last year had been 150,0001,
charges 39,927[ A Conn eittee eed recom-
llnp ded that the wh le f es of the C ui't of Chancery
should
fund was abolished as soon as the charge on the fee
• was exhausted- For the sake of suited he ob-
,
jeetc„,,
..".4 1° any additional charge being placed upon it.

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THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 4., 1851.

wotise• ware,: raea•ten tae efacar3 of the 'Wood% , LICRAISED VICTUALLERS' SCHOOL.
. n le tt .a f • tts if , serteey of •t. , , tee • etteee: ea
, • ;i• D Vi `nt 1.11:;) t;,;IIILICIit,Ci,e Ou tee Lill, :tie . ....et 11; one ytsteeiest , at itinghlsury-hern :tate. o, end
to theonetir. . ne.' o; ,'.ended he a DU tl,l :DPrOUS e hiatnly influential
Lee.aaao
Cie. tee 1, whoeh relater. to the appointment of two i company. We Lave so often had the sincere gratifica-
Cominieieners, having been tint, 1 tion of directing the attention of our readers tothe
Lard DUNCAN said he perceived that by that clause valuable charaeterisiica of the L'.ceased Victuallers'
theta were to be two cotemeationers, who were each to • School, that it 1.3 almost a matter of supererogation to
have a salary of 1,20 e/. a year; but he also found that, advert to them on the present occation.
We may in
by the 11th clause, her Majesty in Council might, if she passing, however, observe that the purpose for which
should ti, era tic. appoint a surveyor general, with a the :school has been founded is to maintain, clothe, and
salary of 1,5001. a year, in place of the commissioners. educate the children of distressed licensed victuallers;
Now, it a single fuer:denary with 1,5001. could perform that since its establishment naatagearly
es, 1200 children have
nine clacies of the efriee, he thought it better that they been retnipient its ndv and
should at price determine on leaving in his hands the 130 0004 have benen expended by the trade, with which
menagement of that property. . the sceoul is assoeiated and the public generally, in car-
Lord SEYMOUR stated that whatever arrangement eying oat its usefulnevs. We may add, that by a recent
might be adopted the expense to the public would be erraagement on the part of the Incorporated Society,
much the same; for while each of the commissioners under whose management the school is
e place lid, the be-
would have 1,2001 a year, the turveyov general would !leafs of toe institution, which heretofore werelimited to
have 1,5001. a year, and he should also have au assistant the children of licensed victuallers of the meteopolio
to whom an additional salary should be paid.
have been extended to the offspring of that body
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, througout the United Kingdom, thus bringing within
that by appointing, tor the present, two commissioners the sphere of its valuable operations the child of every
there would be a saving to the public, by employing the member of the trade in every part of the three king-
gentlemen who et present held somewhat similar offices; dotes that happens to require its parental prociection.
for if those gentlemen were not employed a retiring al- But the influence of the school does not terminate with
lowance should be paid to them. the period during which the children remain within its
Sir W. JOLLIFFE thought that there ought to be walls. It follows them into the world, for it apprentices
artsponsible officer tor the management of the pro- them to some good trade, or disposes of them in such a
party, and that that officer ought to be a Member of the manner as to enable them to become useful membera of
House. society. Having stated these facts, we do not feel it to
Mr. HENLEY thought it would be better to take the bo necessary to eed another word in commendation of
sense of the Committee on the last part of the clause, as this truly important institution. We shall, therefore,
it would decide the question of which system should be proceed to describe the circumstances connected with
adepted. yesterday's proceedings.
Mr. SLANEY considered the Government plan as the With the view of affording accommodation to the nu-
hest for getting rid of the nuisances complained of. naerous company that had signified their intention to be
Sir B. HAL'L thought differently, add that the Bill present, a eplendid pavilion was erected on the spacious
was grounded on a wrong basis. He thought the con- grounds attached to the tavern, which was well venti-
stitution of the board required a complete revision, and lated and tastefully decorated, and was in every respect
that the Government should at once decide which system admirably adapted for the purpose for which it Was de-
was to prevail. signed. Along the sides of the pavilion were raised
Mi. V. SMITH said that the whole matter ought to seats appropriated for the use of the
befo re fema
the time an-
le friends of
be stated fairly to the Committee. the donors of the charity, and long
Mr. TRELAWNY ea* no objection to the Bill, ex- nounced for dinner—namely, four o'clock—these seats
cept that it did not go far enough. This defect it was
to were.occupat iied
nte by
rest i elegantn
the ly
proceedings of the day, and
dressed ladies, who seemed
the duty of the Committee to remedy. take gre
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the when the entire company, amounting to 2,000 persons,
objection to the 13111 was canted by the Government was seated at the table the coup d'ced was peculiarly
having taken power in the 11th clause to improve the striking.
Deptford Royal Br brass
Sir J. GRAHANi could not come to other than the tended at the request of Mr. Harris, a late member of
conclusion that the first clauae contained the best scheme the committee of the Incorporated Society), took their
of management. Ho thought it was desirable that the station on the lawn, and played several popular airs in a
T
management should be vested in two Commissioners, highlhe y effective mwhich was in every respect highly cre-
anner.
under the stringent control of the Treasury. dinner,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Commissioner who ditable to the catrring powers of Mr. Hinton, the pro -
had retired had done so fro ea age, and consequent in- prietor of the tavern, was admirably served up, and gave
competence to perform the duties. He (Lord John universal satisfaction.
Russell), on his retirement, load sought for a competent The musical arrangements were under the direction of
person to fill the office. At the time of the appointment Mr. G. F. Taylor, who was assisted by Mr. Genge, Mr.
of this person he had not coutemplated the 11th clause Golden, Mr. C. Kenny, Mr. Bland, Mr. Morley, Mr.
of the Bill; but he could not see any reason in that for Herbert (comic), Mr. Farquharson Smith, Mr. Dela-
the defeat of the whole plan, which was based upon the vanti, and Mr. Fortescue.
possibility of further improve enents. The Chairman on the occasion was Sir H. Meux,
Sir W. JOLLIFFE would vote fur the omission of Bart., M.P., the principal of the mi
eminent firm of Meux
the latter part of the clause. and Co., brewers. He was supported on his right by
Mr. GOULBURN conside red that, if a change was Captain Smith, of the same firm, and by Mr. Alderman
to be made, it teas better de tided in the first instance. Wire on his left. Amongst the gentlemen present we
He preferred the two officers named in the first clause noticed R. Hunter, Esq., C. Callow, Etq., Taylor,
to the itinerant surveyor in the 11th. Esq., Sherry, Eq.,— Stevens, Elq., G. Odling,
Mr. HENLEY had no eh toice in the matter, but ho lihq., James Grant, Esq., editor of the Morning Adver-
wished the Rouse to decide 'the alternative. tiser; M'Claren, Le; Mr. Findley, governor of the
Toe Committee then divided, when there appeared— Incorporated Society
M; "Mr. Bryon, Mr. G. Walter, Mr.
For the amendment e.. ... ... 70 Ireland, Mr. Long, Mr. Lewis Jones, Mr. J. J. Homer,
Against it ... .... ... ... 123 past governor of the society; and a number of innuen-
Majority ... —. ... ...-53 tial members.
The clause was then maimed to stand part of the Bill. Hanes, the
rattedcelebra Norfolk
tab giant, occu
attrapiedct a conon-
Mutes 2 and 3 were then agreed to. spieuous position e cross le, and ed
Clause 4 having been proposed, ordinary degree of notice.
Lord DUNS A.N moved 'Otos after the words " first There was also present a deputation from Birming-
Commissioner " there should be inserted the fol!owing hero, consisting of Mr. James,
Mthe Chairman
Chairman o
salaries of the Cometissionegi of the Woods, Forests, the Central Committee
irman of the United Towns
same At Assoc
sociatioiation;
and Land Rear cues, and th ci costs, charges, and ex• Mr. Stinton,
Vice-Cha of he n;
pauses attending the manna ement of the possessions and Mr. Showell, Secretary of the above Protection Society;
land revenu, s of the Crowns., chargeable on the annual and Mr. Shepherd, a former member of the Committee
iecome thereof." Lino 14, leave out " relating to," and of the As so ciation.
toasts had been gone through,
insert " fixing." Line 15, after " Commissioner," in- After the usual
sent, "at the sum of 1,2001. por annum." Line 16, after Mr. SMALLEY, the Secretary, read the hat of sub-
" under this Act," insert, " and the salaries of atlas scriptions, which amounted to 1,8401.; among them were
Commissioners, and of the (rfficers and others in the de- the following:—
partment of the Commissitta era of Woods, Forests, and Sir Henry !Faux, Bart., 50 guineas; Sir Henry Meox
Land Revenues, end the c: sts, charges, and expenses and Co., 100 guineas; ditto, usual annual donation 20
attendiug the management (t f the possessions and land guineas; Healy Neason Smith, Esq., 20 guineas;
revenues of the Greene thale be defrayed out of such Comb', Etq., 10 guineas; Messrs. Hodges, distillers,
monies as shall be from tins ato time provided by Par- Lambeth, 20 guineat; Messrs. Nalders and Collyer,
liament." His object in moo ing that amendment was to brewers, Croydon, 10 guineas; Mr. J. Bass, M.P. also
place the whole of those ro venues under the control of subscribed 25 guineas, and in the note which
Parliament. lie felt sure 4 hat the property would by nicated this donation, stated that he should have been
that means be much better tat anaged than it had hitherto present,
at the festival, hut that he was anxious to be
been. present, at the House of Commons on the division which
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Noble Lord had was expected to take place that evening on the Jews' Bill.
gated that which must be e, twitted to be a very consi- The children then retired in the sante order in which
derable public evil. If the improvements alluded to in they had entered the Pavilion.
the report were to be carried our, he thought that the Mr. Alderman WIRE then rose to propose the he
Bart,alth
money should be taken out of the public revenue, and of the chairman of the day, Sir Henry Meux,
not out of the land revenue. The Noble Lord proposed M.P. They would readily anticipate, he observed, that
that the expenses of the management, and all the details he was about to offer to their notice a toast which needed
of the affairs of the Crown es tates, should be laid an- not the aid of eloquence to recommend it, because
nually before Parliament. The Government, on the they had already had practical experience of the
contrary, proposed that the) general expenses should worth of the gentleman whose name he had to an-
appear yearly in the estimate 5, leaving the details of the nounce.—(Hear, hear.) It was the common place
management to be made a ni atter of account yearly to topic of orators of the present day to claim for our
Parliament, which would fu t nish a sufficient check. If country the position of mistress of the world, and for
the Noble Lord's propositiont were carried into effect, the the great metropolis in which we lived, the emporium
whole session would be cense used in the discussion of the of commerce, the seat of the arts, the cradle of civilize-
estimates, and there would 'ls eno time for any of the or tion, and the birthplace of all that was noble and great,
dinary business of Parliam( at at. and that dignified our common nature. But if ever
Mr. Wioreesets and Mr. 11 lIME supported the proposi- that was tr eue
hat , it was mor than true et tho
hibit present
of
tion of the Noble Lord (Du a can). time, for London could at t moment ex two
Lord SEYAIOUR defend, a d the policy of the Govern- the greatest spectacles that the civilized world ever
Thou-
went.
saw. They had heard of the Crystal Palace.
Mr. HENLEY considervery poor reason for sands who had seen its wonders had congratulated
not submitting all those exp a rises to Parliament to allege our country that in this century, and at the present
that the House had not ti tee for their consideration. period, it should have remained for England to have
There was always sufficient time when the Government invited all the nations of the world to a peaceful rivalry
wanted money, and he coul 0 not understand why they in commerce, in the arts of industry, which adminis-
should not have time to w fetch over this branch of the tered to our w
fulants
dis and luxuries;
turn and if having
to the
looked
public expenditure. at that wonderplay, they ed from
Mr. V. SMITH thought 'the Government proposition scene now be fore them, they would see there another
ple of England's greatness and of England's
very reasonable. exam
Sir EL WILLOUGHBY would vote in favour of the glory.—(Hear, hear.) No other country
thousand per-
on the face of
Noble Lord's (Duncan's) we iendment. the earth could exhibit upwards of three
The Committee then divi J led, when there appeared— sons collected together on so happy an occasion, gna
trced
For the amendment „„„ 73 by the presence of the fairer sex, and cheered he
Against it ... good work of charity by those who were the grace and
Majority ',gain it the amendment —26 the ornament of society—all met together for the one
Lord J. RUSSELL hno ring assented to part of the great object of aiding and assisting this charity, which
other amendment of Lord I ) ancan's, which was as follows was amongst the most useful and the most honourable of
is line 16: —•• After ' and ir thU Act,' insert ' and the the present day,—(Cheers.) To diffuse knowledge—to
salaries of such Cemmissi tinera, and of the officers and educate the people—to raise them in the scale of intel-
others in the department of the Commissioners of Woods, ligence—to render our countrymen and our country-
ov:iiicol it,bueaarltlteytrh.Te,
Forests, and Land Reveal tes, shall be defrayed out of women fit to enjoy the blessings, and to diffuse abroad
such monies as shall he fro, Le time to time provided by amongst other peoples the blessings of civilization and
School,siumeliberty,—such
wh ea which Parliament,'"
Cause 4, as amended, wi a s then agreed to.hltiachihde great object of the Licensed
The 1.1 .use then resumed, - originatedthe
fo u n da witho n
oa f clefs
tb is of men
tamed leave to sit again. establishment .for educating he orphan children of their
SC ii,'N E IN r_ C LIE HOUSE. less fortunate brethren, were themselves amongst the dee
Mr. BERN AL (e f socie
ddretsi, 3 g the Speaker) said he felt spised oty. ut by their charity, by their intelli-
it his duty to inform him th tit after the galleries had been geneo, by their perseßverence, they had made for them-
cleared for a division, the i s7oceedings of the Committee selves a name and had set an example which other trades
were interrupted by a 10 a d knocking at the door.— of the metropolis would be careful to emulate.—(Hear,
(Laughter.) The noise le i sing been continued, he in- hear.) Not alone did they take the orphan child into
structed the Sergeant-at-Al tats to inquire into the matter, their kind keeping, and supply to those who had become
and that officer informed h' ..en that the interruption was destitute the want of a father and mother, but they went
occasioned by the Hon. Mt a:labor for Ennis (The O'Gor- deg he other execute of human life, by takieg up the
man Mahon). ayed arid unfortunate tradesmen who were cast upon
The SPEAKER having called upon the Sergeant-at- the precarious bounties of the world. They had erected
Arms for an explanation, for them an asylum where, in comfort and in gratitude,
Toe Sergeant• at-Arms st ted that he had made inquiry they could enjoy the blessings thus diffused among
into the cause of the inter/ a ption complained of, and was them. In eddition to all that he claimed for the licensed
informed by the messenger that it was occasioned by the victuallere another great point of merit, which regarded
Hon. Member for Ennis. still, more largely the general welfare of society. They
Mr. HUME observed th a t the Sergeant-at-Arms had had established a newspaper, and it had prospered and
only heard the fact from •another. He asked was the was prsparing.—(Cheers.) It had assisted prominently
mestenger present ? in forming the public rated on many occasions, and it
The SPEAKER inquir e 3 whether the Hon. Member was guiding public opinion now. It was dedicated to no
for Ennis was in his place ? The House was informed sect or party; but embraced all who were desirous of
that the proceedings of the, Committee were interrupted doing good to their fellow countrymen, or of promoting
by the Ifon. Member for Eanis causing a violent dis- the interests of society all over the world.—(!dear.) And
turbance by loudly knocki rag at the door. If that state- all that was liberal in their institution—all that was great
meat be correct the Hon. Y :ember alluded to would see in their charity—or all that was favourable to the objects
the necessity of offering Ec me explanation to the House for which their society had been established found a
for his indecorous conduct, o—(llear, hoar.) ready advocacy in the columns of that paper.—(Cheers.)
The O'GORMAN M A E lON said there was no man Conducted as it Was by sterling honesty and distin-
inside or outside of that H rnuse who paid greater Me- guished ability, it would earn fur itself a name in the
reuce to their rules and re t;ulations. He, however, pro- history of their country and would ever be found amongst
tested against this impuee eon that had been cast upon the best arid most useful instructors of their age.—
him, as he respectfully eta t( id he did not merit it. He (Hear, hear.) He had to apologise, he leered, for di-
had not. therefore, any rip D logy to make. What really gressing for a moment from the immediate object of his
did occur was this— Sat r angers had not retired from rising, which was to propose the healt them he di.stin-
the gallery above thpet ti ter when he knocked at the guithed gentleman who had attended that day,
doer for admission, intimt I' .ing at the same time to the and had discharged with so muc ability the duties he
messenger that the straug ens were not out of the House, had with great kindness assumed.—h (Hear, hear.) The
and that the question let el n
ight proposed by the name of the' firm of Henry Meux and Co. was synony-
Chairman. He claimed las rto exercise his prero- mous with that of charity, and the large contribution
gative • but he was dente 11 admission, and a wrong was which it be made that day proved how deeply it felt ins
thus inflicted upon bins bi r this exclusion. terested in all that concerned the honour and the wel-
Mr. P. S. BUTLER be gged to corroborate the state- fare of the licensed victuallers. He would not trust
meat of the Hon. Memel, tr for Ennis. He was close to himself to speak of their distinguished chairman in the
the door at th® time, and hearing his Hon. Friend knock- relations of private life, but it would suffice for Mtn to
ing at it fur admission, at id perceiving that the question say that, whether they regarded him in the character of
was not then put by the Chairman, he asked the func- a private gentleman, or in that of a Member of the Le-
was
at the door to op, in it, but he flatly refused to do gislature, gj,© was equelly an ornament to society. He
so, his Hon. Friend havii g then continued to knock at was sure they wouldjoin with hunt in thankin him
the door, for which he ht id apologised.—(No, no.) He cordially for his appearance amongst hm that da gy, and
had not certainly apologi sed in language, but he had for the deep interest which he had taken in the pro-
stated what he thought was apology enough fcr the eeeiliugs of the day; and he asked them to drink his
circumstance—that he mi taint uo disrespect to the House good health, and prosperity to his firm.—(Cheers.)
—that he merely wished , lc) exercise his peivilege of vot- The toast having been drunk with prolonged cheering,
ing, and thought that by knocking hard at the door he The CHAIRMAN returned thanks.
would be able to obtain I ti s object. Mr. J. J. IlontEß, who we were happy, in common
The SPEAKER said before the question was put, it i with the company, to see in an improved state of health,
was undoubtedly most ie angular to exclude any Member 1 prospoted the next toast—" The Morning Advertiser,
from the House. He h aped that after what bad fallen ;James Grant, Eq.,
the editer, and the Press." Lis
from the Honourable M =here the Rouse would be sa- friend Mr. Alderman Wire had described the advantages
tisfied that the Honour able Gentleman was not guilty 1 that resulted from a press, and he could only add to
of any intentional &area, pect, but that the interruption 1 what he had said on the subject, that when it was guided
he had occasioned hid a aeon altogether from a mistake. by men of intelligebee, probity, and sound principles, it
The O'GORMAN M AEON trusted that the Right , was a blessing to any country.—(Hear, hear.) Amongst
Hon. Gentleman would issue such an order as would the various- organs of the press, there was one journal
prevent the recurrence o r such a scene. Similar conduct which belonged to the licensed victuallers, of which they
was pursued by the me tesnger at the dour during the : had good reason to be proud, and
it had whiallev eh reflected
suf-
the
last bt ssion. greattst credit upon them; feralleviated the
Mr. GOULBURN se iti, if the messenger bad so mis- feting.; of thousands of their brethren.—(Cheers.) He
conducted himself, it e fag the duty of the Honourable saw by a book placed upon pp teble, and from
Member to melt" his cc aopiaint to the House. He was the rs port, that the amount distributes in weekly allow-
not justifi, din interrupt ing th© proceedings in the man- awes money le, 1851, was 132,7451. les. That large
nor refs Tll-11 iO. Stun of bail been disiributsd in relief among the
The O'GORMAN 1 EAHON said be bad been de- , old arid decayed members of their trade up to the pre-
prived of his uudoub ts d privilege, and he now re. sent petiod.—(Cheers.) They might easily conceive,
leered to the Speaker to ' issii such an order as would therefore, that the Morning Advertiser, in which they
prevent the recurrence t if such conduct on the part of the were so largelY interested, was a valuable public
messepetea organ, and it had been the constant advocate of the
The matter then enc.' al. itidusfrial clatscs of the community. Its oircula-
The Highway Rates , :Bill and Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction, since its enlargement, had iecreesed very conside-
tion Bill were several': ! read a third time and passed. . rably, he was happy to say, and with that significant
Toe other orders of Pint day havig been then disposed . fact, before them, he conceived it would be quite mine-
of, the House adjourns dat half- pas One o'clock.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
ROLLS' COURT, July 3.
The Court heard motions, and subsequently causes
IN THE MATTER OF PALMER AND LANDELLS--AL
LEGED PIRACY AND INJUNCTION.
Mr. MURRAY applied, on the part of Mr. Palmer,
publisher, and Mr. Landolls, artist, proprietors of the
Expositor, a highly-illustrated publication of the pro.
sent day, explanatory, amongst other things, of the
works of art now exhibiting at the Crystal Palace, to
obtain en injunction against the proprietors of a some-
what similar publication, called the Magazine of Science,
restraining them from selling or publishing any number
of the magazine containing passages alleged to be
pirated from the pages of the Expositor. The motion
was made ex parte, and the Learned Counsel stated that
this sort of application had been rendered necessary by
the urgency of the case, as it was apprehended the de-
fendants were at this moment preparing for publication
another number of their work, containing similar pira-
cies, which would be published unless the Court granted
this injunction. The affidavit in support of the motion
stated that there was a passage in the Expositor, at page
66 of the number, headed " British Machinery," pub-
lished on the 30th of May, 1851, which had been pub-
lished with a very trifling alteration from the original in
the Magazine of Science, at a subsequent date—namely,
on the Ist of July instant. The heading of this article
on " British Machinery" was the only part of it which
the defendants had omitted, in the article so pirated from
the pages of the Expositor.
-The MASTER OF THE ROLLS—That will do. I think
your clients entitled to the common injunction. All that
your motion embraces would be more than I should
grant. This injunction will have no retrospective opera-
tion on snything already done.
Mr. MURRAY said he was satisfied to take the more
limited form of injunction.
The MASTER OF THE ROLLS granted the injunction to
restrain the defendants from publishing in the Magazine
of Science any article containing passages taken from
the Expositor, or from selling numbers of the Magazine
of Science containing passages so copied from the Ex-
positor. It is understood that the Court imposes the con-
dition on the plaintiffs to accept short notice of motion
o dissolve this injunction.

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MELANCHOLY AND FATAL ACCIDENT.—LOCKER-
BIE, JUNE 30.—A mournful accident, which has thrown an
universal gloom over our village, occurred this afternoon.
Mr Joseph Bryden, late farmer of Halldykes, but residing
here since Whitsunday, accompanied by a friend, went over
to the river Annan to bathe, about six o'clock P. as. No
very correct account has yet reached us, but it would ap-
pear that Mr. Bryden soon after getting into the pool—a
very deep one—situated two or three hundred yards above
Shillahill Bridge, got beyond his depth, and, not being an
expert swimmer, immediately began to struggle and cry for
assistance. His friend, we believe, made two or three
praiseworthy efforts to save him, but failed ; the conse-
quence was that fully an hour elapsed before he was got out,
when life was quite extinct. Mr. Bryden, from his quiet
and unobtrusive manners, was highly respected in the dis-
trict.—Perthshire Courier.
THE COVENTRY RIDEON.--We are happy to he
able to inform our readers that Messrs. Morrison and Co.
have received a large order from her Majesty, for the Co-
ventry ribbon. It is possible that for beauty of design, and
perfection of workmanship, nothing has yet been made in
ribbon to excel this ; and although there has been, we un-
derstand, some little tardiness on the partof certain West-end
houses who are in the habit of dealing only with the French,
in ack'newledg,ing that any goad can come out of Coventry,
) yet we are glad to see, from the above order, that her Ma-
) jesty has given her testimony in favour of the taste and
spirit that Messrs. Morrison have displayed, in ordering, at
an unprecedented price, the above specimen of what Coventry
can do. Coventry Herald.
The Earl of Chieheater had an interview yesterday
4 with Earl Grey.

cepury for him to say a word more in its praise. He BRITISH AS
d ;-gave to e eeef.tie w),;11 the tueet the e osse., of -.lr.
, ADVANCE ',i
dhenee iatit, the kel-aer Gf the pacer.—(l-her, hear.)
lie was a gentlernea of great litereiy a:taint:fleets, as
was well known, sad bad paid the most uaremitang at-
tention to his duties. To his indefatigable and intelli-
gent exertions, indeed, he felt bound to say, the success
of the double sheet was in a great degree attributable;
and he hai great pleoeure, therefore, ie proposing "The
Martine Advertiser, James Grant, Ebq., the editor, and
the Press."—(Cheers.)
The toast having been received with acclamation,
Mr. SMALLEY, in the absence of Mr. Grant, said he
would endeavour to rerpoi d to the toast which had been
so ably proposed by Mr. homer, whom the members of
the trade had so often listened to with attention and re-
sprct.—(Hear, hear.) Although it required great elo.
quence to do justice to the toast, he could not doubt that
every person present in that large company fully appre-
ciated the importance of an independent press, and,
he might say, that no journal was more unfettered, or
more desirous of advancing the welfare of the peoples
than that with which he had the honour of being
associated.—(Hear, hear.) The editor had left thus
early from his anxiety to perform cffieiently the du-
ties of his arduous situation. Under his management
the paper had justly increesed in circulation, and also in
the number of its advertisements, and it was steadily
advancing in public estimation throughoet the country.
—(Cheers.) The presence of the deputation from Birm-
ingham, and other places, was indicative of a desire to
assist the members of this extensive society in proinoting
the circulation of the Morning Advertiser, and thereby
enlarging the sphere of the charities connected with it.
There was no object of utility that was not indebted to
the press, while it also maintained a wholesome influ-
ence over society generally. The Morning Advertiser,
besides doing its duty as a journal, had also, as had been
remarked by Mr. Homer, been truly the means: of
contributing to the comfort of many persons in their de-
clining years e and it was only necessary for them to
support the Morning Advertiser to increase materially
the amount of good which had already been accomplished
by the profits of that journal.
Mr. R. HUNTER, of the firm of Messrs. Hunter and
Co., said he rose to propose the health of their worthy
secretary, Mr. Smalley.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.)
The post was one of great responsibility, and they had'
that day witnessed the energy which Mr. Smalley brought
to the discharge of his important duties. It was unne-
cessary he should do more than simply propose the health
of Mr. Smalley. Drank with three times three, and loud
cheering.
Mr. SMALLEY said he could hardly express the feel-
ings which he experienced on so marked a compliment
being paid to him on an occasion like the present. He
could assure the meeting that nothing gave him more
pleasure than to endeavour to perform his duties effi-
ciently to their admirable institution.—(llear.) It was
impossible to overrate the advantages of an institution
which, for several years, had distributed from 8,0001. to
9,0001. to their various charities.—(Cheers.) It was a
gratifying circumstance that at the present anniversary
meeting they were presided over by a gentleman of such
standing and high influence in the commercial world;
and it must be equally gratifying to the firm with which
he was connected to see how warm and bow cordial a re-
ception he had received from the meeting.—(Cheers.)
The present year was one of great importance in the
history of the institution, especially as regarded the en-
largement of their paper, the Morning Advertiser, which
was now made equal to any other journal of the day.—
(Cheers.) He called upon theta all to give the Advertiser
their best support, and to recollect that, if in this year
1851, science and art could do so much, charity should
do so much also.--(Loud cheers.) He hoped to see their
institution every year more and more proverous, and it
Was very gratifying to him to be able to say that he had
that evening announced a larger subscription than he
had ever done before.—(Hear, hear.) He could not sit
down without thanking the brewers of the metropolis
for the subscriptions they had given on the present occa-
sion, and he had again to thank the meeting for th©
honour conferred upon him.—(Cheers.)
Mr. BERRIDGE said he had been unexpectedly called
upon to propose a mark of respect to the deputation
from Birmingham. He had the gratification of saying,
that in no town was thereat greater anxiety evinced to
form a connexion with their institution then in the town
of Birmingham.—(Cheers.) The deputation who repre-
sented Birmingham had done much to promote the in-
tereste of the licensed victuallers, and he was sure they
would be glad of an opportunity of meeting them upon
the present occasion.—(Cheers.) Next to the Great
Exhibition there was nothing more gratifying than the
spectacle which met their eyes that day, and ho was
especially glad to see their friends present on such an oc-
casion. He begged in conclusion to propose the healths
of Messrs. Mari-tun, Stinton, and James.—(Cheers.)
The toast having been drank with all the honours,
Mr. Mailmen begged to return thanks for the honour
conferred upon himself and his friends, and expressed
the great gratification he felt in seeing the children of
the institution brought bore them that day.—(Cheers.)
The object of their institution was to preserve these
poor children from falling into a state of vice and
misery, and it was impossible that any institution
could be more strongly recommended to their best
sympathies.—(Loud cheers.) He could assure the
meeting that nothing could give him greater pleasure
than to promote the interests of the licensed victuallers
generally, and to render them every service in his
power.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. JAMES also begged to thank the meeting for the
handsome manner in which they had entertained the
deputation. Birmingham looked with great confidence
to the licensed victuallers of London, and they felt
that being in connexion with them gave them greater fa-
cilities than they could otherwise possibly have. Al-
though Birmingham could not boast of an institution
like the present, the licensed victuallers of that town had
established an asylum for the aged members of their
body.—(Loud cheers.) He could assure the meeting
that they felt much interested in the enlargement of the
Morning Advertiser, and he had the gratification of say-
ing that it was now much called for in Birmingham.—
(Hear, hear, and cheers.) At that late period of the
evening he would not say more, but would again thank
them for the honour conferred on the deputation from
Birmingham.
Mr. PHILLIPS said he had the honour of proposing the
next toast, " The past Chairman, Governors, Trustees,
and Committee of the Licensed Victuallers' School."
He begged to add that he proposed the toast with much
pleasure. The gentlemen alluded to worked hard, and
they well deserved any compliment they could ' pay
them.—(Cheers.)
The toast having been duly honoured,
Mr. G. WALTER rose to return thanks, and, in doing
so, expressed his regret that his friend Mr. Bryon ergo
not present to perform that duty. Ho could only say,
on the part of himself and his friends who were included
in the toast, that they felt very grateful for the compli-
ment that had been paid them, and that, although out of
office, they were deeply interested in the success of the
Licensed Victuallers' School, and would seize upon every
opportunity that presented itself to promote its pros-
perity.—(Loud cheers.)
Several other toasts were then proposed.
The whole proceedings passed off with the greatest
I éclat, and the company retired from the festive scene
highly pleased with all they saw and heard.

N FOR THE
OF SI,),`,ENCE:

4 4.: tl4tl
scrieme that he received a hint from th 3 president, Sir tfi
13,,rie;•ii.k Murchison, to be more rn:d to givo an ,--7,7,3,M7c-40'..e
abifroct of his pleas, that time might elowcil for /Ae/
disens3ion of them. Captain Fitzroy was then called
upon to explain his views on the subject, after which
Prince Alo,rt went to tho geological secticn. The can-
troverLial character of the geologists was veilmain- ,-'4<rfi
tained during. the Priy)et 'a mil,. The subject was the
crag formation of -Norfolk, orig;ne,tieg in a paper by
Professor E. Forties, and Professor bedg;viek and Mr.
Charlerworth bad some sharp pusages together as to
the cviLiences of novelty in that formation. Mr. Hop-
kirr, ttio preLident, was more than once compelled to
call the disputants to ortler, and Professor Sedgwick,
from the 'vantage ground of the platform, and with the
president at his right hand, seemed to carry his point by
force. Sir Charles Lyell entered into the discussion,
without however joining in the contenti.,,n.
It was now near three o'clock, when his Royal High-
ness retired, and was driven to Shrubland-park, the seat
of Sir W. Middleton.
There has been a great accession of members since
yesterday, and among them a greater number of dis-
tinguished individuals than are usually assembled at the
same time at the meetings of the association.

VISIT OF HIS ROYAL HIGIINESS PRINCE
ALBERT TO IPSWICH*.
His Royal Highnese Prince Albert left town yester-
day rooroiag at an early hour, for the purpose of honour-
ing the members of the British Association for the Ad-
mites:nen; of Science with his presence rat Ipswich, on
the occasion of the annual meeting cf that learned body
in this ancient borough.
The most complete arrangements for the reception of
the Prince were merle by the directors of the Eastern
Counties Railway at the atation in Shoieditch, and
be-
fore the period eppointcd ifor his Royal Highness's ar-
rival: a spacial train, consisting of the state saloon car-
riage and two other first-class carriages, with a magni-
ficent locomotive gaily decorated with flags and ever-
greens, was brought up alongside the platform.
Mr. Waddington' M k., the chairman of the board,
with Lord Alfred Paget, M.l), Mr. Smythe, and Mr.
Broadbent, his co-directors, were early in attendance for
the purpose of receiving his Royal Highness, who, true
to his appointment, arrived at the station at a quarter to
nine o'clock. The Prince was attended by the Marquis
of Abercorn, Colonel the lion. Charles Grey, and Colonel
Francis Seymour.
The titation was very tastefully fitted up, and the pas-
sage from the entrance to the platform was covered with
crimson cloth. Upon alighting the Prince was received
by Mr. Waddington and ihis brother directoes, by whom
he was conducted to the saloon carriage.
A copy of the " Illustrated Guide to the Eastern
Counties Railway," and several other publications of
local interest, were presented to his Royal Higebness by
the Chairman; and after n few moments delay the train
was set in motion, and sped rapidly on towards Strat-
ford. At this point the workmen in the employ.of the
company were drawn out, and as the royal saloon passed
a thousand voices were simultaneously raised in a loyal
cheer, which was gracefully acknowledged by the Prince.
The run to Romford was accomplished in a very few
minutes, and here a hearty welcome was accorded to the
royal traveller by a large number of spectators assembled
on the station. From Romford to Brentwood the jour-
ney aceupied only a very shcirt period, and in little more
than 45 minutes Chelmsford was reached. A great
crowd of spectators, anti a couple of arches formed of
evergreens thrown across the railway, indicated the
loyal feelings of the inhabitants of this interesting old
town, over which the train passed at a very
moderate speed, in order to allow the inhabitants a
glimpse of the Consort of the Sovereign. At the
lesser stations of Mainiugtreo and Ingsatestone the
same preparations upon a smaller scale were obser-
vable. Colchester was made precisely at a quarter-past
10, and here the Mayor, with the corporation of tho
borough, wore drawer out to meet the Prince. A great
crowd of spectators had been admitted within this sta-
tion, which is overlooked by a magnificient building,
erected by Mr. Petra M.P., for an hotel, but now con-
verted, through the liberality of that gentleman, into an
asylum for idiots.
Up to this point the arrangements had been under the
management of the Eastern Counties direction, and it is
due to this company to state, that everything that could
be accomplished for the convenience of the Prince was
most successfully carried out. The coal and luggage
trains had all been withdrawn from the line from an
early hour, and plate-layers, drafted from every portion
of the railway, were etationed at short intervals—each
furnished with signal flags, as a means of communication
if occasion required. The royal train was preceded
throughout the distance by a small pilot engine, driven
by Mr. Ashcroft, the superintendent of the works.
Among the officers of the company in attendance upon
the royal train were Mr. Roney, the secretary of the
railway (whose services on all occasions, where promp-
titude and decision of character have been required,
prove iovaluatle, and where early retirement from the
active service of this company must be deplored by all
to whom his excellent qualities are known); Mr. Gooch,
the locomotive superintsndent; and Mr. Pachardson, the
head of the coaching department.
At Colchester the Royal train was to ken in charge by
Mr. John Chevallier Cobbald, M.P., the chairman of the
board, and other directors of this company, who accom-
panied the Prince to Ipswich, where; the train arrived
punctually at a quarter to eleven o'clock.
The Mayor (P. B. Long, Esq.), in his robes of office,
and the corporation of the borough, were here disco-
vered drawn up on the platform to receive the Prince.
Sir Williem and Lady Middleton, Mr. Scott Russell,
Mr. C. Wentworth 'Nike, and several of the leading in-
habitants of theelistrict, were also present to welcome
his Royal Highness, and a ' guard of honour, composed
of a detachment cf the Queen's Bays (21 Dragoon
Guards), with the band and colours of the regiment,
were drawn up on the platform.
Upon the Prince alighting, his Royal Highness was
received by the mayor and corporation, and conficcted
to au elegant marquee, beneath which his Royal High-
ness had consented to receive a deputation. The Prince
having taken up his position, the Recorder (Mr. Powell),
robed in his wig and gown, advanced and read the fol-
lowing address:--
"TO ISIS ROYAL ISIGUNESS PRINCE ALBERT.
" May it please your Royal Highness,
" We, the mayor, aldermen, and burgesses, of the
borough of Ipswich, are anxious to express our sense of
the honour done to us by your visit to this ancient mu-
nicipal town, and at the same time to offer the tribute
of our heartfelt personal respect to yourself.
"It is our pride to welcome in your Royal Highness,
not only the consort of our beloved Queen, but the sup-
porter of every deserving institution throughout her
dominions; not only the chancellor of a great university,
but the active promoter of general education upon a
broad and national basis; not only the patron of all that
is high and noble in British art, but the originator of that
magnificent conception, by which the results of the
world's industry and genius have been assembled in our
land for the instruction of admiring nations. We look
upon this great festival of art and science, consecrated as
it has been by religion, as the opening of a uew era of
national intercourse, as a pledge of universal and en-
during peace, and it may be as the commencement of a
fresh age of intellectual activity and successful research.
We delight to receive amongst us the master mind
which conceived the great idea, and directed the steps
by which, through every difficulty, it has been so trium-
phantly carried out; and we feel this not the less because
we ,receive your Royal Highness as st visitor to that
British Association, the objects of which are in some
degree akin to those likely to be promoted by the Great
Exhibition.
"In conclusion, we would wish to combine with our
tender of reverential welcome to your Royal Highness
the expression of our deep and loyal affection to our
Soverign Lady the Queen; may she, together with your
Royal Highness, continue long in the possession of every
earthly, and better than earthly blessings; may your
children's children, worthy of their parentage, sit upon
the throne of their fathers; and may the reign of Vic-
toria, with which the name of your Royal Highness
must ever be inseparably connected, afford the brightest
page for the future histories of the Anglo-Saxon race.
" In testimony whereof, we have cauted our common
seal to be hereunto affixed this third day of July, one
thousand eight hundred and fifty-one."
When the address had been read, the Prince replied
as follows:—" Mr. Mayor and Gentlemen,—lt has given
me the greatest pleasure to have been enabled to visit
your ancient town on so interesting an occasion; and I
thank you most sincerely for your cordial and hearty
welcome, and for the very kind and flattering manner in
which you have coeveyed it to me. I shall not fail to
communicate to the Queen the expression of your loyal
and affectionate attachment to her Majesty's person and
family, which I have beard with peculiar gratification,
and which I know her Majesty will receive with equal
satisfaction."
The Prince now entered one of the royal carriages
which was in attendance; and having invited the Mayor
to a seat by his side, the cortege passed through the
principal streets of the borough to the Town-hall, where
it was arranged his Royal Highness's introduction to the
members of the Association should take place. The
progress of his Royal Highness through the town was
greeted with the heartiest demonstrations of applause
from the many thousands cf spectators by whom the
streets were thronged.
Prince Albert first visited the mathematical and phy-
sical section, of which Dr. Whewell is president. On
his entrance, every one stood up and remained standing
until his Royal Highness had exchanged courtesies with
the President and those members of the association en
the platform with whom ho was act:painted. He then
took a seat on the right hand of Dr. Wheivell, and
Colonel Reid was called on to read a paper on mooring
ships in revolving gales. A paper by Mr. Rankine, cn
the velocity of wind, was in progress of reading when
his Royal Highness entered, but the consideration of it
was for the time suspended. When Colonel Reid's
paper was finished, Mr. Bond, of the United States, ex-
plained to the section the action of an ingeniously con-
trived apparatus for noting the times of astronomical
observa'ions by a combination of clock-mechanism and
electro-magnetism, which Prince Albert afterwards mi-
nutely inspected. We feel compelled, however, to follow
at present the current feeling, not only of the people of
Ipswich, but of the members of the Association, and to
allow science to give piece to loyalty, by suspending our
notice of these, and other interesting communications,
until the excitement of the Prince's presence has some-
what mated.
From the mathematical and physical, Prince Albert
went to the chemical section, presided over by Professor
Graham, where Dr. Lyon Play fair read a paper on a new
and ingenious process, invented by Mr. Mercer,
THE LADY AND THE PRIEST.—Tne circumstances
contracting the fibres of calico. This called forth some
warmlydiscussed throughout the country, have directed an
M. Dumas, on the ingenuity and utility of the plan. ~. unusual de
The Prince then repaired to the section on ge°grf'P novel,
thje the
of curiosity towards the forthcoming new
" e Lady end the Priest," from the practised pen of
and ethnology, where it watt rather exnectod, fro Mrs. Maberlv. The gifted authoress, it is said, has laid bare
printed announcement, that his Royal in this production all those influences which the craft of
read a paper. This, however, aars to b been Rome brings into operation on the female heart, and it is
evsre ,(,s •
mistake, for the paper on "Ethnological Res
Highnseseskwraeoeunlda
,111, understood that the story, while possessing a tender and pe-
Santo Domingo, by Sir 11. Schomburila colitunlec'tste" culler interest, will make some remarkable disclosures
by his Royal Highness Prince Albert, was read by specting the mysteries of the confessional.-.Everangfapeds
Heelgskin before the Prince arrived. As be entered [ADVERTISEMENT.]-110110way's Fills, a most etti-
M. Pierre de Tchittchef, the explorer of the Altai cient remedy for Bilious Complaints and Indigestion.—A cap-
mountains, was reading a paper,withvery good English twin in the mercantile. service who
.had traded many years to
from severe
pronunciation, on travels i Asia Minor, portion of the West Indies suffered for a considerable time .
at for the information bilious attacks and.indigestion, oppression of spirits bordering
subs,er _ Mr. Asa Whitney)
which ho was requested to repeat for of
on melancholy, a sinking at the pit of the stomach, and a con.
his Royal Highness. tinual craving after substantial food. He paid an immense
of New York, was reques.tfo. to rem psper on the beat
naterceuree between Earoi 0 sum of money for medical advice without obtaining sa last'
means of realizin,g a rapid ing benefit, and howeyer e
and Asia. This pnper was strongly characteristic of cured in less than six weeks, taking Holloway
it may
ug Holloway's Pills, and foe
appear, be was
national feeling. and peculiarities, end premised by as- the last two years he has not feat the least syrnaptoyie bde,
and intimating that the progress of civilization is indigestion, or disordered stomach. Sold by
_II_ Druggists,_
sorting
westward, and that, ultimately, all that is geed, and ci- and at Professor Holloway's Establishment, 214, Strand,
vilizrd, and beautiful in creation, will be concentrated in I London.
the United States of America. Mr. Whitney has nearly FORGED BANK OF ENGLAND NoTEs.—Yest,riay
obtained the sanction of the United States Legislature information was received by the Metropolitan Police and
ta the grant of a tract of land, comprising seventy-eight the authorities at the Bank otfi,Eigngltaondhothaitssauendubmyb,terhaoft
millions of acres, to enable him to construct a tail- forged 5/. and 101. not
andPp_aariserd in Great Yarmouth and.
way to Californis, and to dispose of the land INorfolk.
ether
establishment,.n Suffolkhadbeeessa'
They are a close imi•
on each side of it to emigrants from Europe. Mr. Whit to
towns in
net was so long in the exposition of his vast railway ta ion and_
.0 paper good. The IC/. notes are dated sth of
and the 51. notes 2d of September, 1850.
August, 18., ,

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The first general meeting of the members of the
British Association was held last night in the Corn Ex-
change, which was tastefully adapted for the occasion.
A platform for the president and grincipal officers was
erected at one end cf the building, the walls were
covered with pink and white muslin, and wreaths of
evergreens and artificial roses were entwined round the
iron pillars, and suspended from them in festoons.
It is usual on such occasions for the president of the
former meeting to make a short valedictory aiidress
before resigning the chair to his successor, and Sir
David Brewster extended this customary farewell speech
somewhat beyond the usual length. His voice could
scarcity bo heard in the large building above the notes of
preparation that were being made outside for welcoming
the Prince. He noticed in a tone of complaint the
neglect shown by the Government to scientific pursuits,
and to scientific men, and be alluded particularly to the
refusal of the application of the Association, becked as
it was by the Royal Society, to have a powerful reflect-
ing telescope stationed for the examination of the nebulae
ot the northern hemisphere. Ho consoled the
meeting, however, with the reflection that Governments
do not last for ever, that rays of light will pene-
trate through darkness, and that even the hide of the
rhinoceros is vulnerable in points. From these observa-
tions on the Government Sir David launched forth sin
praise of Prince Alert, who had so prominently come
torward as the patron of science and the arts; and he
spoke in an enthatiastie manner of the Crystal Palace
and its contents as the magnificent result of the Prince's
patronage and active exertions in promoting the success .
of the Exhibition. Sir D. Brewster then resigned the
chair.
Professor AIRY read his presidential address rapidly
but distinctly. He touched lightly on the progress of
science in all branches during the last year, more par-
ticularly on those with which the British Association
is more closely connected, and pointed out what the
association has done for the furtherance of its great
objects. He spoke of the persevering efforts of Lord
Bosse to perfect the mechanical arrangements of his
great reflecting telescope, in which considerable im-
provements had been made; also of the labours of Mr.
Ross, in the improvement of chromatic instruments.
As a consequence of the progress of optical glass
manufacture, at tho works of Mr. Chance, of Bir-
mingham, Mr. Ross has succeeded in making an object
glass, two fact in diameter, that of the large telescope at
the Exhibition being titteen incites. The admirable
specimens of engineering skill exhibited by Mr.-Ran-
some, of 'Fetich, in the construction of stands for some
of the large instruments at the Royal Observatory
at Greenwich, were also dwelt upon by the President
with much satisfaction. From agronomical instrument=,
ho proceeded to notice the discoveries that have been
made by their means, the dispersion of the nebulae into
distinct systems of stare, the three new planets, and the
itecerteiument of the distance of the nearest star to our
scdar system. The anivoaching solar eclipse, and the
measures taken iiivarious parts of the world for correctly
observing it, were then dwelt upon. He stated that the
Emperor of Russia has ordered oheervations to be made
in valieua parts cf his extended empire, from the Sea of
Azod to the Black Sea. With regard to the recent ex-
citement, regarding M. Foneault's experiments, render-
ing visible the rotation of the earth, the President stated
teat there were special adjustments to be made for dif-
ferent lstitudes, before any correct deductions could be
drawn from the vibrations of the pendulum independently
of the earth's rotation. In reference to investigations
resneciing terrestrial magnetism, he alluded particularly.
to Professor Faraday's discovery of the magnetic pro-
perty of oxygen and the important bearing it might have
in elucidating the mysteriens phenomena of the magnet-
ism of the earth, though as yet it had not been subjected
to sufficient examination to have any practical value.
Before leaving the subject of astronomy the President •
adverted to some experiments' recently made in
America, from which it would appear that electri-
city is transmitted through iron wires with the velocity
of 15,00 a miles per second, and to the applicability of
the rapid transmission of electricity to noting corre-
sponding celestial phenomena. The other branches of
science were noted very briefly, anti in none of them
were there any remarkable advances to be recorded. In
tho improved appliances of mechanics a new construc-
tion of diving bell, consisting of an elongated tube, was
mentioned. by means of which works at the bottom of
the sea could be conducted with greater facility. The
President observed that this country had no academy
of sciences supported by the Government, and for his
part ho thought it was better that scientific research
should be left to the individual exertions of those who
took interest in the subject, and could pursue their own
modes of investigation independently. Though the Go-
vernment, however, were reluctant to take the initia-
tive: ho had the satisfaction to state that they bad
granted. a sum of 1,000/. annually to assist in promoting
scientific researches. He concluded by alluding to the
patronage which Prince Albert had bestowed on science
and the arts, as exemplified by the magnificent collec-
tion of the world's industry, promoted and completed
by his sanction and active exertions; and by the visit
which his Royal Highness was, within a few hours,
about to pay to the meeting of the British Association
at Ipswich.
Tee Bishop of OXFORD moved the thanks of the •
meeting to the President, for his admirable address.
Professor SEDGWICK, in his usual energetic manner,
seconded the motion, and dwelt much on the personal
merits of Professor Airy, whom he had known inti-
mately since he went to Cambridge as a freshman. As
an illustration of the persevering industry of the Astro-
nomer Royal, Professor Sadgwick stated that when ap-
pointed to the Royal Observatory at Greenwich, there
were the observations of eighty years not reduced, and
the herculean task of reducing the mass of valuable ore
into practical form, co as to render it sterling metal, bad
been assiduously accomplished by Professor Airy, with
assistants acting under his directions, and he had so far
brought up the arrears, that the observations made at
the Observatory up to Saturday last were reduced to
practical form.
The PRESWENT, in returning thanks, expressed the
ratification he felt at having been thus honoured in a
gratification he felt at having been thus honoured in a
place where he had spent most of his youthful days.
Professor Femurs, the assistant general secretary,
stated that the numbers who had passed the treasurer's
books during that day had barn 470, of whom 11l were
ladies, and 16 distinguished foreigners. From this he
inferred that the meeting at Ipswich would be a very
successful one.
After visiting section C, the Prince lunched with the
Mayor. The professors and personal friends of the
Prince met him.
At three o'clock the Prince took leave of the Mayor,
and left Ipswich for Shrubland-park, the beautiful seat
of Sir William and Lady Middleton, where his Royal
Highness will pass the ni„eht. Shrubland is about six
miles northwest of Ipswich, in the parishes of Claydon
and Coddenham. The mansion, rebuilt about fifty years
since, stands on the site of a former ancient building,
once the seat of Edward, a younger son of Sir Nicholas
Bacon, Lord Keeper of the Great Seal in the reign of
Elie abeth, who acquired the estate by marrying the
hoisets of the Little family. One of his &leen:tants,
Nicholas Bacon, erected a new mansion, which wets
taken down by the late Sir William Middleton, who was
created a baronet in 1804, and built the present elegant
scat, to which he removed from Crowtield Lmia
son, the present baronet, succeeded in 1329, and has
greatly enlarged and improved the mansion,
which stands
on a delightnil eminence, overlooking the vale _of the
Gippieg in a finely-wooded park of nearly 300 acres,
well stocked with deer, and noted for the fine" Spanish
Chesnut trees in the kingdom.
De who will have
The following is a list of the compa
Hi, Eichee
.ency the
the honour of meeting the Prince tionsoriti at dinner at
Shrubland park this evenine:—
gian Minister and Madame' Van do
yer, his Excel-
lency the Prussian hlieister, the
t. e andi Duchess of
gerottesley, Lord Alfred Pr.get,
Argyll, the Marquis of Abereor%
iris Eaniska.
lea, the Countess of istiorleyi te Stradbroke,
efurchiaon, Sir Edward Cust, Col.
Lord Monteagle, Lord
Lord Rendlesnam, the Bishop of Oxford, Sir John
Y, Col. Francis Seymour,
Btoileau, Sir
.Sirsßirodectraicrkie,
Gre
Capt. G. N. Broke,A Mr. Robert Cust, Mr. Barry and.
Col. Caropnell• ter dinner the party will be joined
Colh()1d, M.P., Mrs. Cobbold, and
bt
hye M
, r7ir. and Mrs. Western, end Mr.
mri.
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and Mrs. liereers, Dr. Whewell and Mrs. Whewell,
BeNe Capt. Warburton, R.N., and Dr.
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RCaogpet.t!itzroy,