The Sun.
London, England, 1851-07-29 00:00:00

BANKRUPTS.

Edward Herring, manufacturing chemist, Southwark,
to surrender Aug. 7, at half-past one, and Sept. 11, at
eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Cannan, official
assignee, Birchin-lane; Wood, Alderegate.
John Limbird, stationer, Strand, Aug. 8, at half-past
twelve, and Sept. 11, at twelve, at the Court of Bank-
ruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall•etreet;
Smith, BaEinghall-street.
Richard Keeping, watchmaker, Ryde, Isle of Wight,
Aug. 7, at two, and Sept. 11, at one, at the Court of
Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-
street; Whittington, Dean-street, Finsbury-square.
Edwin Gates, grocer, Aylesford, Kent, Aug. 6, at half-
past elven, and Sept. 6, at half-past one, at the Court of
Bankruptcy. Stange°ld, official assignee; Wilton and
Blackman, Raymond's-buildings, Gray's Inn-square.
Walter Levy, maccaroai manufacturer, White's-row,
Spital-fields, Aug. 4, at eleven, and Sept. 6, at twelve, at
the Court of Bankruptcy. Stansfeld, official assignee;
Jenkinson, Svveeting, and Jenkinson, Lombard-street.
Alfred Hinton, stationer, Portsmouth, Aug. 6 and
Sept. 6, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham,
official assignee; Weir and Smith, Basinghall-street.
Edward Davis, currier, Northampton, August 6, at
half past one, and Sept. 6, at eleven, at the Court of
Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee; Heath, Artillery-
place Nest, Finsbury.
Thomas Irlam and Vincent Wanostrocht (and not
Wanostrocht Wanostrocht, as before advertised), brokers,
Liverpool, August 7, and Sept. 5, at eleven, at the Dis-
trict Court, Liverpool. Bird, official assignee, Liverpool;
Sharp, Field, and Jackson, London; Miller and Peel,
Liver pool.
Robert Heath, William Welch, and John Heath
Barber, ironmongers, Tunstall, Staffordshire, Aug. 16,
at ten, and Sept. 2, at one, at the Birmingham District
Court. Valpy, official assignee, Birmingham; Stanier,
Udall, and Knight, Newcastle-under-Lyne; Motteram,
Knight, and Emmet, Birmingham.
Thomas John King, innkeeper, Stourport, Worcester-
shire, Aug. 12, and Sept. 9, at twelve, at the Birming-
ham District Court. Whitmore, official assignee, Bir-
mingham; Watson, Stourport; Hodgson, Birmingham.
David Phillips, linendraper, Cardiff, Aug. 13, and
Sept. 10, at eleven, at the Bristol District Court. Acre-
mann, official assignee, Bristol; Bevan, Bristol.
Betsy Daw, miller, Lumber mills, Tavistock, Aug. 7,
at one, and Sept. 18, at eleven, at the Exeter District
Court; Hernaman, official assignee, Exeter; Elworthy,
Plymouth.
John Searle, builder, Brixhara, Devonshire, August
12, and Sept. 17, at one, at the Exeter District Court.
Hirtzal, official assignee, Exeter; Stogdon, Exeter.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS.

Robert Sparro.v Paxton, coachmaker,~ Cannon-place,
Whitechapel-road.
Thomas Pearce, beer-seller, Belgrave•place, Pimlico.
Thomas Merser, tailor, Thames Ditton.
John Vevers, woollen agent, Snaresbrook, Essex.
Edwin Andrade, butcher, Newington-place, Surrey.
Ge)xge Newman, livery-stable keeper, Grove-road, St.
John's Wood.

James Martin, labourer, North Cheam, Surrey.
Charles Jackson, bootmaker, Felix-street, Hackney-road
Thomas Grant, dealer in furniture, Princes-street, Lei.
cester-square. ,
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Thomas L-unniss, greengrocer, Brunswick•street, Black,
friars-road.

John Wedge, furniture broker, Oldbury, Worcestershire.
Benjamin Bailey, clothier, Golcar, Huddersfield.
Nathaniel Morling, licensed victualler, Brighton.
Samuel Norcliffe, publican, Wakefield, Yorkshire.
Charles Steele, blacksmith, Worth, Sussex.
Peter M'Cabe, lodging-house keeper, Liverpool.
James Balmer, chemist, Liverpool.
Samuel Godwin, pattern designer, Manchester.
William Rotheroe, carpenter, Saint Edrin's, Pembroke.
shire.

Joshua Clegg, joiner, Birkby, Yorkshire.
John Dickinson, beer-house keeper, Manchester.
W. Hallam, labourer, New Linton, Nottinghamshire.
Thomas Holman, shoemaker, Farnham Royal, Bucks.
James Williams, cabinetmaker, Manchester.
Emma Atkinson, linendraper, Silsden, Yorkshire.
Charles Lawson, grocer, Utley, Yorkshire.

John Stewart, auctioneer, Wake Held, Yorkshire.
Robert Bishop, miller, Asthall, Oxfordshire.

John Foster, worsted spinner, itanningham Yorkshire,
Thomas Hall, licensed victualler, Friarage:Lancaster.
Richard Lynch, boot and shoemaker, Manchester.
George Robertsham, butcher, Hightown, near Leeds.

MARKET IN TEL LIGEN CE.
(From the London New Price Current, July 29.)
SUGAR.—To-day importers of West India Sugar were
again desirous to realize, and accepting prices rather
under those of Friday occasioned a good demand to pre-
vail for both grocery and refining purposes; the pur-
chases are 693 hhds, &c., including at auction 190
hhds Barbadoes, which went off quietly, fine yellow
at 393 to 403 6(1, good 37s 6d to 38s, mid 36s to 375,
mid grainy yellow 47s 6d to 48s; 220 brls Antigua,
good yellow 37s 6d to 38s 6d, low to mid 33s 6d to 365,
brown 31s 6d to 324 good to ffne 32s 6d to 305 6d; 50
brls Grenada, low and mid yellow 33s to 355; 107 hhds
24 trcs Jamaica, good mid yellow 36s 6d to 375, mid
35s to 36a, low 34s to 34s 6d, good to fine brown 33s 6d
to 345.

REFINED.—To-day Refined Sugar was purcbarge with
caution for home consumption, the supply is rather larger
and 46s to 46s 6d is the value of brown lump. Crushed
remains dull of sale and lower rates are taken.
Afsunrrrus.—This afternoon the public sales of
Mauritius Sugar went off heavily at rather lower rates.
Of 7,798 bags offered not above 3,500 bags were sold,
low to mid yellow at 33s 6d to 365, good mid to good
36s 6d to 37s 6d, fine 38s to 39s 6d, ord and mid brown
28s to 31s 6d, good to fine 32a to 335, good to fine grainy
yellow 40s to 435, ord and mid 36s to 395.
EAST INDIA.—This afternoon there was a quiet
market for all sorts of Bengal Sugar, and of 1,400
bags at auction a small part only sold at about former
rates, very fine grainy white went at 47s 6d to 481, mid
and good white Benares 39s 6d to 40s 6d, low soft yellow
31s 6d, and mid brown ditto, 28s. Of Penang 615 bags
were taken in at 38s to 398 for low and mid white. _ _

FOREIGN.— To-darthere ;;;;faiTexpo;tdemandfor
Foreign Sugar, but holders were desirous to realize.
There is no decrease of supply; a cargo of brown Per-
nambuco in bags sold at 17s per cwt. A mixed cargo of
Bahia ;realized 18s 3d per cwt.

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TEA.—An improvement has taken place in the de-
mand for low and good common Congou, many parcels
having been disposed of at 10-41 to 1044, and holders
evince firmness ; there is also a less quantity on offer.
In medium and rather strong blickish leaf rather more
business has been transacted at lld to ls, but good to fine
sorts continue to be operated in with reluctance, and are
offering at from is Oid to is 7d. In Oolong transactions
are upon a more extended scale at is to is 7d, but of this
sorts there is an increasing supply. Tho good and fine
qualties of Green met with little attention, and are offered
rather under previous rates, but common and medium
have been in good demand at former terms. Clean Canton
Gunpowder, and sorts from is 4d to is 9d, as well as
Young Hyson from ild to is 2d have been in most re-
quest. Scented and Pekoe Teas met with little atten-
tion, and prices have still a downward tendency.
RICE.--To-day there was little business done privately
in East India Rice, and in some cases rather lower rates
were taken. Of American cleaned 70 cks at auction
were taken in at 17s to 17s 6d. Of Sago 926 boxes
only in part sold at 17s 6d to 18s 6d for *mid and good
small pearl. 200 packages Arrowroot; Bermuda, Is;
St. Vincents, 4d to 40, and Mauritius, lid to I,ld per lb.
SPICES.—To-day Nutmegs were in good demand, and
realized full rates. at public sale 19 pkgs sold; ord brown
at 2s to 2s sd, mid 2i 7d. Of Mace , 7 cases went at 2s
to 2s 2d for mid pale and lone lot low Is 9d. Of Cloves
2 cases sold at 2a Id for flenang ; 60 bags Bourbon
6fd to 61d. Ginger 453 bags African were only in part
:Add at 25s to 259 6d ; bat 200 bris Jamaica all found
buyers at 55s to 73s for low to mid. Of Cayenne Pepper
15 cases taken in 103 per for sound.
CINNAMON.—On the part of merchants there was a
desire generally to realise at the quarterly sales, and
the demand being limited, prices declined 2d to 3d per
lb for Ceylon of the first and second quality, and 3d to
5d for thirds, inferior and broken. Of the 1,856 bales
96 cases offered, about 1,500 brls sold ; first
quality realised is Sd to 33 4d, damaged Is 4d to
2s 9d; second sort, sound is to 2s 4d, damaged 9d to Is
10d; third and fourth sort, sound 9d to is 10d, damaged
8d to is 6d, broken from 8d to 2s. The Tellicherry
consisted of 126 bls 34 cs, and nearly all found buyers at
2d to 3d reduction; first sort, sound realized is 7d to is
10d; second ditto is 2d to is 4d, damaged and broken
from 7d to is sd. The next sales will,take place on the
27th October.
SPIRITS.—Esst India Rum has been in good demand
since this day week, and the parcels sold wergLat is 3id
to 1s 4d per gallon proof. In Lessard Island ope tions are
upon a more extended scale at Is 5d to is 64 proof. A
good demand prevails for Demerara, and full terms ate
paid; the transactions are 300 puns at is 10d to 2s
2d for 28 to 40 per cent over proof. Home and export
orders have increased for Jamaica, there is however no
advance, and best sorts are most in request. The rates
obtained for fine and superior 35 to 38 per cent over
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Brandy the market Is inactive, and holders are desirous
to sell, Cognac best brands of the vintage of 1850 at
4s 4d to 43 63, 1849 ditto 4s 6d to 4s 83, 1848 ditto
4s ild to 55 Id, older 5s 4d to 7s, low to mid 21 6d to
35 6J, and
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Gin for export at 2s 6d. Geneva is Is 7d to is Bd, and
fine Is 9d to 2s.
COCUINEAL.—The drained has much improved, and
there is an advance of Id to 2d per lb. At auction 250
bgs sere disposed of; and Honduras Silvers realized
from 33 to 3s 9d for low to fine. For auction 400 bgs are
declared.
INDIGO.—The market has an improving appearance
for East India, and since the termination of quarterly
sales shippers and home dealers have been purchasers to
a fair extent at full rates. For Spanish there is an
proving demand, and rates are firm; Corres at from
Is 6d to 49; Sobres 33 6d to 4s Bd, and Flores 4s to 5s
per lb. On Friday 106 serons Guatimala will be offered
at auction.
SALTPETRE.—Prices for British Refined remained at
remain at 29s to 29s 6d, there are, however, now few
buyers. For Rough, prices continue to decline, and rule
for low to mid Calcutta at 253 to 265, good to fine 26
to 28s 6d. Of 1,230 bags at auction a small portion only
sold at 25s 6d to 27s 63 for retraction 74 to 5 per cent.
Nitrate of Soda is 13s 9d to 14s per cwt.
TALLOW.—The demand is on the increase for Russian
on the spot, and holders manifest more firmness. Ope-
rations have been to a fair extent during the last few
lays, and the rates paid are 37s 9d to 38s for fine yel-
ow Candle. A good business has been transacted for de-
livery; the prices paid being 32s to 39s 6d for the lest 3
months of the year. Home melted met with increased
attention, and 37s paid net cash; on the part of mehers
there is also less desire to sell. At auction 418 casks
Australian were sold; Sheep 36s to 37s 9d; Bref 35s to
375; and 332 pkgs South American 35s 6d to 37s 6d per
cwt. For auction 900 casks, 86c., are declared.
OlLS.—Orders continue to increase for Seal Oil, and
prices are still on the advance; many purchases have
been made, and the latest rates paid for paie
are 34/ to 34/ 10s, for other sorts 32/ to 331 lOs per tun.
Cod is not much in request, and can be obtained at
36/ to 37/ Southern is in small supply, and wanted at
31/ to 33/ per tun for low to fine. Sperm continues to
attract little notice, and rates to decline ;
fair British selling at 801 to 83/. Headmatter
has been operated in with caution at 901 to 93/ per
tun. Cocoa Nut is in good request, and stock keeps on
the decrease; Cochin has realised 32s 6d to 34',
and Ceylon 315 6d to 33s per cwt. Linseed Oil con-
tinues to be operated in with caution for exportation;
there is, however, a fair home trade demand at
32s 63, and supply is moderate. For delivery
several contracts have been entered into at 31s 63
to 31s 9d. Rape Seed Oil continues in brisk demand,
pale at 34s 6d to 353, brown 33s to 33s 63 ; Refined
Foreign 35s 6d to 365. Palm is in better request; but
tine is to be obtained at 27a to 27s 6d. There is a good
business doing in Olive, and rates are firm at 38/ to
39/ per tun for Gallipoli, and other sorts 361 10s to 371
10s. Of Mustard Seed Oil 20 cases at auction realized
293 3d per cwt.

COURSE OF EXCHI
Amsteroam .. •• • • 11 16%
Ditto, three months .. 11 18
itotterdam .• ••.. •• 11 18h3
Antwerp • • ............ 25 25
Brussels • • 25 25
Haniburgh .... • • M.B. 13 8
Paris, 3 days'inght .... 25 5
Ditto, 3 months .. .. 25 25
Marseilles ••• • • • • • 25 25
80urdeaux......... .
Vrankforton Maine.... 119 U
Berlin • • • • ..
Vienna, effee. flo.• •• •• 11 42
Trieste, ditto.... •• • • 11 44
Petersburgh,Bll. Ebbe.. 37m
Madrid •• •• 60
Cadiz • • ............ 60%
Barcelona • • • • • • • • • • • •

GE.-(1HIS DAY.)

Gibraltar.... •• •• •• •...
Leghorn •• •• •• •• •• •• ISO 45
Genoa 25 45
Milan o• •• •• •• •• ..
Venice.—
Naples 404
Palermo, perm .... 124
Messina •• •• •• •• •• •• •• 12414
Lisbon.... .. .......... 534
0p0rt0....
Rio Janeiro
Buenos Ayres
New York,6odays'sight
Philadelphia
PRICES 01 BULLION, PEI OZ.
Foreign Geld inbars.. XII 17 9
Portugal Gold Coin .. 0 0 0
Spanish Doubloons .. 0 0 0
New Dollars 0 4 11U
Silver in bars •••••• •• 0 5 0%

ROYAL ORTHOP2EDIC HOSPITAL.—This morning
(Tuesday) the grand day fancy sale and night fete com-
menced in the beautiful gardens of Vauxhall, in aid of the
building fund of the above most excellent charity. Many
interesting articles of fancy needlework, &c., were displayed,
and the stalls were presided over by many distinguished
ladies. Although a great number took tickets with the
intention of confining their visit to the show of the bazaar,
there is no doubt that the attractions of the night fete
will prove in reality the mainspring of assistance to the
funds of the hospital. The performance at the Gardens both
to-night and to.morrow includes an extended and most un-
usual list of attractions, and we make no doabt that the
wonder-seeking public will feel high gratification in being
enabled to mingle a work of charity and benevolence with
their pleasure and enjoyment.
MARYLRDONE DISTRICT SURVEYORSHIP. The
district has been divided into two, and new surveyors ap-
pointed. Mr. White, son of the late surveyor, was elected,
without opposition, to the northern division; and Mr. Jen-
nings by 64 votes, to the southern. Mr. Cantwell had 33
votes, and Mr. Little 25. The other candidates were Mr.
Bales, Mr. Christian, and Mr. Roberts. Mr. Mozeley was
nominated as a candidate, but withdrew his name from the
list.

MoLASSlis.—Operations are yet upon a small scale, i lion was, that the corporaion had a charter, and that
and rates are on tae decline, ruling for low to flue Weat their Lordships ought not to meddle with the vested
India at 13s to 153 6d, Porto Rico 13s 6d to 14s, Bengali interests which they erjoyed under it. Now the corpo-
and Mauritius lis6d to 12s per cwt. Honey is cheaper, ration had stated that they had no interest in Smithfield-
and low to fine West India can be obtained 30s to 50s market, and that they had not claimed compensation in
per cwt. the House of Commons on that account. When he re-
Cocoa.—To-day at public sale 200 bags Para have minded their Lordships That the Bill had been passed by
been taken in at 28s per cwt. a large majority in the House of Commons, and that it
COFFEE.—This afternoon Native Ceylon Coffee met was the universal opinion in both Houses that Smithfield-
with a good demand, both for home consumption and market, es now conducted, was a public nuisance, he
exportation, and full rates were obtained. At public thought that they ought not to pt...ss the Bill in its pre-
sale 1,433 bags were nearly all disposed of at 37s to sent state—which would insure its rejection in the House
38s for good and real good ordinary, and at of Commons during the present session—but:that they
32s to 375 for damaged. Plantation continues to be should adopt his amendment, and restore the Bill to
wanted, and the public sales of 180 casks went briskly at the condition in which it was when it first reached
fully previous quotasior* middling to good realised their Lordships.
51s 6d to 58s 6d, low middling 493 to 51s, fine to fine fine The Earl of POWIS observed that these clauses had
ordinary 43s to 48s 6d, triage and inferior 40s to 42s per been adopted by the Committee after due deliberation.
cwt. Some parcels of Foreign Coffee were sold privately We considered whether the demand for compensation
at full former terms. On Friday 5,000 bgs Costa Riga was just, and, upon mature consideration, we thought
will be offered at auction. that the corporation had a claim to it. The judges had

been called in three times upon the point, and in conse-
quence of the opinion which they gave the compensa-
tion clauses were inserted in the Bill. If the reports of
your Committees are to be set aside in this manner, of
what value are they? It would be a mere mockery to
sit in Committee hereafter. With respect to the privi-
leges of the House of Commons, of which these clauses
were said to be an infringement, there was plenty of
time, if the House of Commons would not waive the ob-
jection, to bring in another Bill this session and remove
the nuisance of this market. If you take away
markets in this way, without compensation either to in-
dividuals or corporate bodies interested in them, you
will do much to shake the security of all private pro-
perty.
The Bishop of OSSORY (we were told) also defended
the report of the Select Committee. The market
yielded 5,0001. a year to the corporation. He therefore
could not understand how it could be said that the cor-
poration had no interest in it. He had said in the Com-
mittee that if compensation were not given he should
certainly feel himself bound to vote against the Bill.
The present would be the only instance in which corpo-
ration property was ever taken without compensation.
It had been said that Smithfield-market was a nuisance;
but their Lordships seemed to be unaware how much
had been and could be said in its favour.
The Earl of LONSDALE observed, that ever since
he had been in Parliament he had entertained but one
impression as to the nuisance of Smithfield-market. He
thought that the corporation of London ought to suffer
the penalty which it deserved for not having claimed
compensation, if it had any claim to it, in the House of
Commons. This market had been voted a nuisance by
both Houses of Parliament, and, instead of giving the
corporation any compensation for its removal, he would
rather fine them 5,0001. a month until they should re-
move it.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH observed that when
he first came into their Lordships' House he had taken
the part of the corporation of London on this matter.
He recollected well that as he was leaving the House on
that occasion the late Earl of Liverpool stopped him and
said, " Let me, as an old Member, give you, who are a
young one, a little piece of advice. Never have any-
thing to do with the corporation of the city of 'London.
Its members are the greatest jobbers I have ever known
in the whole course of my political life."—(Cheers and
laughter.) The recollection of that anecdote would pre-
vent him from voting on either one side or the other on
this occasion.
Viscount SIDNEY stated that, as a member of the
Committee, he had been of opinion that no case for com-
pensation had been made out by the corporation. He
should therefore give his vote in favour of the amend-
ment of the Noble Earl opposite (Granville).
The Marquis of SALISBURY considered that Par-
liament ceuld not fairly or sately abrogate the charter
under which the city of London bad for so many centu-
ries enjoyed the advantages resulting from this market,
without giving adequate compensation.
The Earl of HARROWBY supported the recommen-
dation of the Committee.
Lord BEAUMONT said, that when the Committee
declared the preamble of the Bill to be proved, the
charter was ipso facto abrogated. As to compensation,
the erased clauses of the Commons provided the amplest
compensation that the city could lay fair claim to. Do
not let it be forgotten that the charter was granted for
the public good, and not fur the private benefit of the
corporation purse.
Lord COLCHESTER considered that it would be a
dangerous precedent in a constitutional point of view to
withhold adequate compensation from any individuil or
corporation deprived by an Act of Parliament of char-
tered rights.
Lord REDESDALE supported the compensation pro-
posed by the L'irds' Committee.
Lord ORAN WORTH said, that in point of fact and
of law, the corporation of London was entitled to no
compensation at all. It so happened that the charter, as
it was called, under which the corporation claimed, was
in reality an Act of Parliament of the reign of Edward
111. Had it been merely a Royal charter the corpora-
tion chartered would have been long since liable to have
its charter abrogated upon scire facias, as having alto-
gether failed to carry out the purposes for which that
charter was granted, and for having converted that
which was designed for a public good into a public nui-
sance. All that the corporation could ask of Parliament
was to be equitably placed in the same position that it
was in before the passing of the Act, and this was am-
ply provided for by the clauses introduced by the Com-
mons, and now proposed to be restored.
After a few words from Lord BATHURST, which
were not heard in the gallery,
Earl GRANVILLE replied, and their Lordships then
divided, when there appeared—
For the motion of Lord Granville ... 59
Against it ... ... 15
Majority ... ... —44
Sections 37, 38, and 39, were ordered to be restored
and stand part of the Bill.
The report was then received.
THE LAND-TAX,
The Marquis of SALISBURY moved for copies of
any correspondence between the Commissioners of
Land-tax and the Boards of Revenue on the subject of
the land-tax from the year 1845 to the present time.
Agreed to.
MERCHANT SEAMEN'S FUND.
Earl GRANVILLE moved that this Bill be read a
second time.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said, that when he
addressed their Lordships on this subject on a former
occasion he was induced to hope the Government would
reconsider the measure. He believed that, in conse-
quence of those observations, an alteration had been
made in one of the clauses to which he had more parti-
cularly called their attention; but the Government could
hardly be aware of the extent to which the revenue
would be affected by the inconsiderate manner in which
that clause had been framed. It would involve a loss for
the first three years of 120,000/. Then by the Bill
future pensions were to be granted on an average of. the
last five years, to be determined by the Board of Trade.
In his opinion it would be better, in framing Acts of
Parliament, to ascertain distinctly what were a man's
rights, and not to leave them, except in cases of extreme
necessity, to any board or any man at his discretion to
determine what they should be. No Bill touching on
financial matters should be permitted to pass the House
of Commons without the strictest inquiry as to its finan-
cial operation.
Earl GRANVILLE believed it to be utterly imprac-
ticable to have introduced a Bill, previous to the difficul-
ties of working it being ascertained, which would not
have required renewed legislation. It was true that
Mr. Fielaison had shown it would have been cheaper to
have continued the present system than to wind it up,
but that continuance was impossible, because it implied
not only an advance from the Treasury, but increased
contributions by the seamen themselves, and that in-
crease they rejected. The object of the Government,
when they found that the old system must be wound up,
was that the seamen should be put as much as poi-
' sible in the same situation as they would have been in
bad they continued under the old system, either as re-
ceivers of pensions or contributors, or rather in a better
situation.
• The Bill was then read a second time.
The Civil Bills (Ireland) Bill and the Charitable In-
stitutions Notices Bill went through Committee.
The Leasehold Tenure of Land (Ireland) Act Amend-
ment Bill and the Farmers' Estate Society (Ireliind)
Bill were read a second time, the latter Bill with a view
of being amended.
On the motion of the Earl of ROSSE, certain returns
relating to arterial drainage under the Board of Works
in Ireland were ordered.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. July 28.
MR. ALDERMAN SALOMONS.
(Continued from our Third Edition of yesterday.)
Mr. ANSTEY was astonished at the course taken by
the Attorney- General. If the petitioners had attempted
to afford additional information they would instantly
have been charged with a breach of privilege for al-
luding to proceedings in a former debate of that House.
In his opinion, one well-considered speech of a learned
counsel would afford greater information to the House
on the subject than twenty speeches of Hon. Members.
Upon the occasion when the House decided against two
freeholders, and obliged them to give up their holdings
to two Members of that House, even then the House
heard the freeholders at the bar, and offered to hear them
by counsel, but now they would violate both the form
and the substance by refusing to hear the petitioners at
the bar of justice. By-and-bye they, would have a ge-
neral election, and then an appeal would then be made
not only to the constituencies of Greenwich and London,
but to every large constituency in the country, and
they might dQpend upon it, it would not be the two seats
of Greenwich and London they would have to consider,
but the case would be made one in which every consti-
tuency would feel itself affected.—(Hear.) The result
would be that the House would find itself in that posi-
tion in which it would be brought into collision with
the people of England and the courts of justice, and
they would then be obliged to do that which they had
always done in all such cases—namely, recede from
their position and give way to the power of the law.
It was to save them from this humiliation that the ad-
vocates of the petitioners supported the motion before
the House.

Sir F. THESIGER said the real question before the
House had been departed from by the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman who last addressed it. That Hon. and
Learned Gentleman did not apply himself to the argu-
ment of the Hon. and Learned Attorney-General, who
urged that the whole question had been fully canvassed
last year, and decided upon by the House. What was
the use of hearing counsel at the bar? The whole ques-
tion could and had been fully argued in the House, but
the only thing that could arise by hearing counsel at the
bar would be to hear the case argued on one side. This
was one reason against hearing the petitioners at tho
bar, but there was another. The petitioners asked to be
heard at the bar in defence of their right to elect their

own representatives. No one objected to their doing so.
Tho dnctora might elect whom they pleased. They
might elect a minor or a clergyman, if they liked, hut
that did not entitle a minor or a clergyman to take his
seat in that House, the law being against their doing so.
—(Hear.) He should therefore oppose the motion before
the House.

Sir JOHN TYRRELL—As one of the Hon. Mem-
bers far constituents protested against some
of the views he had advanced, cud begged to remind
him that although now loud in what ho alleged to be a
question of religious liberty, he was silent us a mouse
during the repeated and protracted discussion Pin the
Papal question.—(" No, no," from Mr. Osborne.) The
Hon. Gentleman was voting in direct opposition to the
wishes of most of his constituents, but it was his (Sir
John Tyrrell's) belief that he had not the most distant
idea of again presenting himself to a Middlesex consti-
tuency.—(" Oh, oh !" and expressions of dissent from Mr.
Osborne.) He took the liberty of saying that he consi-
dered the House had suffered itself to be drawn into a
discussion totally irrelevant to the question raised by the
petitions presented tor consideration.
Mr. HOBHOUSE denied that the Hon. Member for
Middlesex had ever been as the Hon. Baronet stated, a
platform orator. The Hon. Baronet might cavil with
the sentiments of the Hon. Member; but he had no right
to express himself deceived with them, for they were
precisely those which he entertained when he repre-
sented Wickham. His Hon. and Gallant Friend was
determined again to seek the suffrages of the electors of
Middlesex, and he believed he would be returned as their
representative. He (Mr. Hobhouse) was quite prepared
to give his adhesion to the motion of the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman the Member for Youghal, as he felt
anxious they should hear all the arguments that could
be adduced on a question involving as it did the rights
and privileges of the people of England. If the Hon.
Member for Greenwich were disqualified from sitting in
Parliament, why did not the Hon. and Learned Member
for Abingdon, as he had so repeatedly threatened, move
that a new writ be issued. It was much better that a
new writ should be issued than that things should re-
main in their present state.

Mr. VILLIERS said the Hon. Gentleman, who had a
motion on the paper for a nc,w writ for Greenich, said
he had no desire to deprive the electors of that borough
of their rights. But the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
might carry his motion, and if so, the choice of the
electors would be set aside. He was anxious to hear
the :case of the petition at the bar, because the li•gal
gentlemen might give them information on the question
under consideration. The majority in that House had
decided against the right of the people of Greenwich,
and they now came to the bar to ask that the whole
question would be fairly heard. Could anything
be fairer ? The question was not fully and
fairly discussed last year, for the House were
told that a Bill was about to be brought in
to adroit the Jews into Parliament. That Bill had been
introduced, and Mr. Alderman Salomons had shown
great respect for the •House, by not coming down to it
until the question had been settled. (Hear, hoar.)
The House of Lords had rejected the Bill, on the
ground that they woeld not admit Jews into Parlia-
ment. There was, then, no likelihood of their altering
their decision.

Sir R. H. INGLIS rose to order, and observed that the
Hon. Gentleman had referred to the House of Lords,
which waq a violation of order.

Mr. VILLIERS said he would keep in order by con-
fining his allusions to another place."—(A laugh.) He
had only to add that the arguments used in another
place were such as left little hope of their ever consent-
ing to admit Jews into Parliament.—(Hear, hear.) So
it was desirable that they should consider whether they
could not admit Jews into that House, they doing all
tbat the law called upon them to do.—(Hear, hear.)
That was what they were called upon by the petitioners
to do. He would support the prayer of the petition.
Mr. NE WDEGATE denied that the electors of Green-
wich were so deeply anxious on this subject as Hon.
Members had suggested, because from 1,500 to 2,000
electors of Greenwich refused to vote, for they had no
confidence in the contest, owing to the previous relations
which existed between Mr. Alderman Wire and the
Jewish body. It was well understood that, at the elec-
tion for Greenwich, treating was notorious, and even
Alderman Salomons acted in a most extraordinary man-
ner by drinking beer from a pot when addressing the
electors from the hustings.—(A laugh.) He saw no
reason that the electors of Greenwich should be placed
in a better position than the electors of London. He
should, therefore, vote against the motion.
Sir J. HANMER said that when Mr. Salomons was
elected alderman, he could not take the necessary oaths.
To meet the difficulty Lord Lyndhurst brought a Bill
into Parliament, and this passed. The consequence was
that Alderman Salomons took the necessary oaths. The
same course was now proposed by the Noble Lord at
the head of the Government, and that was the course he
should support.
Sir ROBERT INGLIS said it was the law, and not
the House of Commons, that interfered to prevent the
Gentleman returned for Greenwich from taking his seat
in that House. He contended that on ineligibility hung
the whole question, and as Alderman Salomons could
not comply with the conditions of the law, he could
not sit.

Mr. AGLIONBY did not consider that the Hon.
Member for North Warwickshire (Mr. Newdegate)
should raise the objections that he did against the right
of Mr. Salomons with respect to his seat in that Hume;
and he should say, in addition to that, that the opposi-
tion offered was most unfair and unjust.—(Hear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL contended that the loeus
standi totally depended on the principle of taking the
oath, and he was astonished that auy Member who
knew the usage of the House should offer any objection.
Alderman SIDNEY was fully assured that the Hon.
Member for Greenwich had a right to exercise his pri-
vilege as a Member, to take his seat and vote, and he
would go further and say, the Baran Rothschild.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion ... ... 75
Against it ... ... 135
Majority... .. ... —6O
ADMISSION OF BARON ROTHSCHILD.

Mr. RAIKES CURRIE said, on Friday night he
presented a petition, agreed to at a large meeting of the
electors of the city of London, held on Friday last, of
which he was chairman, praying that the oath of abjure-
, tion might be swept from the statute-book, and that they
might be permitted to be heard by their counsel at the
bar of that House, in support of Baron Rothschild's
claim to take his seat as their representative. After,
however, the decision the House had just come to in the
case of the petition of the electors of Greenwich, and as
he must confess that he did not agree with the prayer
of the petition, that the oath of abjuration should be
swept from the statute-book, he did not think it re-
quisite to persevere in asking the House to come to a
decision upon it, and he would therefore with-
draw his motion, that the House should take the
petition into its consideration. At the same time he
would press upon the Government the necessity of
doing something in the matter. The Noble Lord at
the head of the Government, at the close of last session,
got the House to pass a declaratory resolution on this
subject, accompanied with a recommendation that
the subject should be considered early in this session.
That was an intimation that the Noble Lard was pre-
pared to legislate on the subject, and stake the existence
of his Government upon it. He would, therefore, press
on the Noble Lord the necessity of bringing forward that
question now, or, at all events, in the very commence-
ment of next session of Parliament.—(Hear.)
Mr. ANSTEY rose to discharge a duty, which he
considered the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down
had neglected, and to move that the petition be taken
into consideration of the House, in terms of the notice
on the paper, and that the House hear counsel at the bar,
in terms of the prayer of it. The petition was dflerent
from that of the electors of Greenwich, as it prayed that
the House should hear counsel at the bar, provided they
refused to rescind a resolution passed by the House last
year, preventing Baron Rothschild from taking his seat.
Mr. Alderman Salomons was differently placed, he had
already taken his seat in that House, and he could not
now be heard, except by himself, in his proper place;
but Baron Rothschild appeared in a different form, and
those who returned him urged the case on different
grounds. He had not yet taken his seat.—(Hear.) He
was waiting for the decision of that House upon his case,
and he craved, and he (Mr. Anstey) could state, was now
desirous, that he should be heard at the Bar by
his counsel. It was his (Mr. Anstey's) intention to
press this motion to a division. He had pledged himself
to the eleotors of the city of London that he would leave
nothing untried whieh could by any means forward their
case, and he would not, therefore, be prevented by the
solicitations of less timid friends of the cause, from fol-
lowing out that course. The Noble Lord at the head
of the Government, in his speech on the previous motion,
said that this was similar to a person who refused to
take the oath of allegiance, but hero such was not the
case, for they had decided last year that the seat for the
city of London was full, and that they could not issue a
new writ. Baron Rothschild did not refuse to take the
oath of allegiance. He took that oath, and he took the
oath of abjuration in the form binding on his conscience,
and he would, therefore, move that the House hear
counsel in behalf of the electors of the city of London
in support of the petition presented to this House on
Friday last.
Mr. AGLIONBY said he was present at the meeting
at which this petition was agreed to, and a more or-
derly and unanimous meeting he never saw. He thought
the electors of the pity of London had a right to be
hoard, and although he did not agree with the state-
ment of the petition, that the oath of abjuration ought
to be swept from the statute book, he trusted that the
House would not think it disrespectful to it, for the elec-
tors of the city of London to ask it to rescind its
decision of last year, and bear counsel in favour of
the petition.
Mr. RAIKES CURRIE agreed that the meeting al-
luded to was most numerously and respecably attended.
when
The business was carried on in the most regular manner,
although he admitted, that after two resolutions had
been passed, fully expressing the feelings of of
meeting, and agreed to unanimously,
a petition was about to be proposed upon them,
his Honourable Friend the Member for Youghall
(Mr. Anstey) made his appearance with a counter
petition, which no doubt would have given rise
to great discussion. Just, however, at that juncture,
Minerva came to their aid, in the shape of his Hon.
Friend the Member for Cockermouth (Mr. Aglionby),
who knowing that the Hon. Member for Youghall car-
ried a gun of no inconsiderable range, and of no incon-
siderable bore—(Laughter)—instead of showing fight,
the two made up the matter, and a compromise took
place, the result of which was, that the petition was al-
tered from the terms of the resolution which preceded it
to the form in which it had been submitted to the House.
—(Hear.) He must say that he did not think the peti-
tion a proper and fair echo of the resolutionseand that it
would be useless, after the fate of the petition of the
Greenwich electors, to ask the House to divide upon it.
Mr. NE WDEGATE said from what he had heard,
it appeared to him that the one-halt of the meeting of
the electors of the city of London held upon the subject
did not know what the other was about.—(Hear, hear,
and laughter.) But even though they did, the citizens
of London were but a small body of the constituency,
and should the question come before the country at a
general election, they would see a far different expres-
sion of feeling upon it.
Mr. BERNAL OSBORNE said while the Honourable
Member for Northampton (Mr. R. Currie) might make
a very good chairman of a meeting, he did not think he
had on this occasion done his duty as a representative
of the people.—(Cheers.) fled it not been for his Hon.
and Learned Friend the Member for Youghal, he took
leave to say that this question would not have stood in
the position it at present occupied, and he tendered his
thanks to that Honourable and Learned Gentleman for
the bold, manly, and spirited stand he had taken. He
(Mr. Osborne) was present at the City meeting, and
he told the House that the opinion of the city of Lou-
dou was invariably carried out by the country. He
did not imagine the question of conceding to the
Jews that to which they were entitled would be
carried during the present session; but this he would
say that unless the Noble Lord at the head of
the Government took up the matter in sincerity, a re-
form of the House of Lords would be called for. It was
not his (Mr. Osborne's) wish that that question should
be agitated, but if it were, they would raise a devil that
might not be so easily laid. He hoped the Noble Lord
would take that circumstance into consideration, and
bring for ward a measure early next session, fur the abo-
lition of all tests and Parliamentary qualification. The
question should not be delayed session after session, and
the farce gone through session after session of bringing
forward resolutions of promises to pay which were never
performed.—(Hear.)

Mr. ANSITY briefly replied, when the House di-
vided—

41
... . .
... ... 77
-36

For Mr. Anstey's motion
Against it ...
Majority against ...
The motion was consequently lost.
CASE OF MR. SALOMONS.
The order of the day was read for the resumption of
the adjourned debate on the following resolution pro-
posed by Lord John Russell on Tuesday latit:--"Tb/!t
David Salomons, Esq., is not entitled to vote in this
House, or to sit in this House, during any debate until
he shall take the oath of abjuration in the form aP'
pointed by law."

•
Mr. ANSTEY reminded the House that to this reso-
lution be bad proposed to add by way of amendment
the words, "And that this House, having regard for the
religious scruples of the Hon. Member for Greenwich,
will use its undisputed privilege on his behalf by forth-
with making such alteration in the form of the oath to
will enable the Hon. Member to take the same." The
proposals they had made had been one by one rejected,
they were not in a position to renew them, and they
were obliged to accept the resolution of the Noble Lord,
the Prime Minister. The effect of the oath was the sub'
stance of the oath, and that had been accepted by the
Hon. Member for Greenwich, apart from the mere so'
lemnity of the oath. They had Acts of Parliament tbet
declared how much was form and how much was sub'
stance. These Acts were the let and the Bth of Ge°•
111., and though they applied to the oath of abjurations
it was remarkable Veat in neither of them were the
words, "on the tru'a faith of a Christian," to be found'
In the case of Pease these words were struck out, and
were not substituted by others implying faith in the
Christian religion, or that that religion was the tree
one. So, also, in the common oath, the words "Se
help me God!" did not mean to imply a belief in the
existence of the Deity, but an invocation of his divine,
interposition in attestation of the truth of a statement
under oath. If the oath of abjuration was to be talon
at all, it must be tact' under the 6th of George
111., e. 23, which did not propose the objectionable
words, "So help me God.' They were supplied, hoe
ever, at the i;able, to meet the common form of swearint
persons in this cc untry. If the argument were to b„
held good that the mere substitution of one word Wlr
.
another was immaterial, provided only that the wore
" true faith" 'were retained, then it might follow the;
the Hon. Mexnber for Greenwich might have been sworn
" on the true faith of a Jew," which would hell
amounted to a solemn declaration of Judaism, or lobe
lief in ChrissSanity. There was yet another observation
that he would address to the Hon. Gentlemen opposite'
Her Majesty's Ministers had set up the difficulty of their
/position as an excuse for the conduct which they ite i iliedly adopted. Yet, what was the line of conduct
the great leaders of the opposite party, when under Cif",
cumstances which left them at liberty to eepren
their real opinions on the subject? What dl"
Lord Stanley say when he was consulted 00
the matter in his capacity of privy counciller;
and a member of the Cabinet, and when he
was not acting as the mere leader of a faction? 1)
he say that those words were part and parcel of the cOO
atitution; that they amounted to a profession of Chris'
tianity, and that to change them was to change the re
ligion of the state? No, he did not. He (Mr. Anste",.
held in his hand a paper relating to civil disabilities In
Jamaica, with correspondence on the subject. It I:
peared that on the sth of May, 1829, when Sir G. I",
ray was Colonial. Secretary, Sir J. Kemp, the governOr!
requested the opinion of his Attorney• General as to th. u_
effect of a local Act to extend certain privileges to tef
,` Jews, which had been mentioned in it. By a clause ti.
the anada Act, any religious form, or mode of religion
worship, was appointed not to be altered, except after
certain specific conditions had been observed. T 136
question was well considered by the Duke of welling'
ton's Cabinet, and also by that of Lord Groy, and 1,°""
Stanley, in transmitting the decision of his Government,
said he could see no reason why the difficulty should 10
be removed by an enactment of the province. The pre-
sent Earl of Derby thought these religious distinctiotto
of so small import in that instance, that he said it $
not worth while to trouble the Imperial Legislature Oen,
them, but that the difficulty might be readily dispose;
of by the local assembly. If Jamaica received that roue
,sr
attention, would they deny it to the city of London, v)
even to the borough of Greenwich? He (Mr. Anetl3o
believed that, in 1833, the Earl of Derby understood tilt
question hi its true sense, and that he was wrong noWo
1851. Why did they swear Jews in courts of law OPo_,
the Old Testament? Because, as Jews, the Old Te.e,":o
ment was binding upon their consciences, and they gt
on the authority of the common law. Following t4lO
precedent, and the example of the courts, they swore
Hon. Member' for Greenwich on the Old Testsn3eu_o
There had been decisions, even in the illiberal and itve
times of Jewish lawyers, that the binding books of it
Jewish gospels were contained within the PentatenT,
They swore him three times as a Jew, and in doing of
made an assertion of their opinion that his forth, vt,
oath ought to be accepted. But on the main pofit,
of the question they had not heard a single smut:Beea
The Honourable and Learned Member for Abinge'd,
had assented to opinions which last year he dispute
He should like to see them take an opposite coulee','
suspend the Standing Orders, and send the Bill ti„
f,
to the Lords again. If the Noble Lord could not II:
sent to a resolution which went in favour of the 1:1°,
;
Member for Greenwich, why did the Noble Lord brier;
forward a resolution which destroyed the Hon. Member._
position?—(Hear, hear.) If they send the case hefo,r;
a court of justice, they would, probably, abide by tP...
decision of that court. The difficulties which might tly;
pear to be in the way might be easily overcome. W'hbee
s
it should be shown to a court how inconsistent -0
House of Commons had been with itself—when it sh°l/
be shown that it had in one instance, by its resolution;
declared the seat for the borough of Greenwich t°
0t
full, and in another resolution that it was 'is
full, he thought that the decision of court and
would bo in favour of regarding the oath taken by fir'
Alderman Salomons as most binding on his consoienfj;
and as all that could be required from him by law.
be
trusted on those grounds that the amendment which
proposed would meet with the support of the House,
He did not think it necessary to offer any further obsehre
vations to the House on the subject. He felt that.';
had done his duty—(Hear, hear)—he was not speehliew
against time, and should conclude with repeating his
tention to press his:amendment.
Mr. HE ADLAM had not taken any particular P,.4
art
in this question before; but now that the question P"
assumed a different aspect from that which it before spa
peared in, he would state shortly to the House the vie 0,
which he entertained on the subject. the first pifiicri".
he did not think it possible that the House could e0..,b
rate itself from the absurdities and inconsistencies 40,101
existed on this subject, under the present law. To obit
with the oath of abjuration in the manner proposed 010
the Government was utterly impossible; and under tb„,,c 0
circumstances, to compel Members on the most sole
occasions, occasious, whether Christians or Jews, to take Who
oath in the manner prescribed by the forma of t
House, was moat inconsistent, and calculated to impse
the solemn sense which the oath might have under othtot
circumstances. Ile contended it was improper first of
place in the hands of a Jew, who came to the table e 0
the House to be sworn on the Old Testament, and th
0,
to require him to swear on the true faith of a Christieo
It was most unjust, he maintained, to attempt to rettlebe
those obsolete oaths formally, and making thens
means of interfering with men's rights and privilego
He must pay, in expression of his opinion, ttije
if the evils apprehended and expressed by se,,,ot
were ten times as great as they were, they would ;le
justify them in maintaining those laws. He was P,0%
fectly willing to admit that it was a most difficult %if;
to say what was the construction of the statute en
„tooe
question. He had now, however, very strong
himself on the subject—a subject on which very Pia
misconception prevailed, in consequence of their ha ° 00
admitted the Hon. Member for Greenwich to sweet oth
the Old Testament at the table of the House. The, of
Geo. 111. prescribes two things. First that the oettior
abjuration should be taken, and, secondly, the mane
in which it shall be taken. When the statute eye, it
that the oath should be taken it did not enact 11°"$he
was to be taken, but left it to common law; and in wS
case of Christians, it resulted merely from whet, 006
the practice in this country. Such was in accoreetute
with the decision of Lord Hardwicke. The ete'w
then enacted that the oath should be taken aof
cordance with common law. 'Thus, in the can the
Christians, it was enacted that they should take her
oath oath in accordance with common law, and the ee 00
words of the statute, that they should take it he
the true faith of a Christian." Now those seoru3;oo"
believed, were introduced by the 10th Geo. IV., is ever
sequence of the position in which the Roman Cats,
then stood. He could not find any authority svie ea'
that those words could possibly be left out by tijestooa
thority of the House of Commons. As the law t the
when Mr. Pease, the Quaker, presented himself at
table of the House, there was no statutory enactor an
that enabled him to come to the table; but there ^ tboo
Act which bore the form of affirmation, and he we the
enabled to comply with the requirements of the law'ts, do
House having drawn up a new form to enable hin2„ the
so. There was no distinct statutory authority
,titSgs
subject, and they should so frame the law as to aer.„oo.
ter the oath in the manner most binding on a 11341/.