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tiring to induce the House to pass a law which would Dinad-
Jews to Parliament, was lecturing or travelling in
Anierica—(Hear, hear) —and totally neglecting the inte-
rests which a numerous body of constituents of the Hebrew
?illusion had entrusted to him—(Hear, hear)—and who
f"w came forward at this late period, after having re-
rained from giving his vote when that vote might have
the great influence, and might have contributed to change
‘ue decision arrived at ultimately.—(Hear, hear.) Had the
sense of the House been such as that they should have had
a large majority in favour of the admission of the Jews, his
Persuasion was, that after having passed the Bill for that
purpose by a large majority, when it had one up to the
toouse of Lords that circumstance would have disposed them
Pass it, and if the Hon. Member for the Tower Hamlets
l a.ckd other Hon. Members who now talked about religious
cttY had been there to assist them by their votes they
viuu,i have contributed something towards that result. The
n°
cd'iun of promoting religious liberty and endeavouring to do
Peßeq with the laws which interfere with it by attempting to
ahl the law to a sense it would not bear was preposterous.
InanY years the cause of the Roman Catholics was
rought forward by eminent statesmen, Mr. Fox, Mr. Can-
and Mr. Plunkett, but they never proposed they should
'dam them by changing the oaths, but by changing the
'or, and he had no doubt he (Lord John Russell) was pnr-
;tiling te roper course on the present question. The Hon.
eaaberh for Chichester had asked him if he would not
!I)°.atPone the close of the debate until the con-
tltueacy of Greenwich had presented a petition asking
to be heard at the bar on the question. Whenever that
petition was presented it would be the duty of the House to
the to any precedents which should guide their conduct in
e matter. But he could not see in that any reason, as the
tchor. w wood, why the House should not, on its own au-
h ••
ltv decide the case before them as to whether or not
e
was entitled to sit without taking the oath of abjure-
r; in the form appointed by law. That House was
btat-Y,_ competent to decide the question for itself. It would
th his duty to bring in next session a measure to relieve
c Jews from their disability, and it would be a matter
forßhin
consideration whether that Bill should be exactly in
shape of the Bill of the present session, or one
'ell should affect generally the oaths taken by Mem-
• fur he admitted, with the Ilonourable Member for
titt,‘'lin, that they were in a very unsatisfactory state. But
t• be said, that the relief of the Jews from their disabili-
Was connected with the great cause of civil and religious
es
e„ art)? and he meant to persevere in the drie and ne-
tlaa, rY course of asking the assent of the House to
111 for that purpose in the bel:ef that if there
eev°„uld be a considerable majority in that House in
De'r'''ar of the measure, and the voice of the country sup-
th ted that decision without any sort of nace or threat,
ta: other House, arguing from their conducts on other former
eeaahares, would not further oppose it, and that they would
the ii.a.e to wait long before, in the due course of legislation,
ebt should be passed. He would do all in his power to
h,tai'sct, in some shape or other, the passing of such a Bill,
his "11 would not vote that to be law which he believed in
sicenscience was not the law.
tid I..I3ETHELL said that the Noble Lord's resolution de-
wed or affirmed nothing, and it would be a miserable re-
wasof all their deliberation to go forth to the people. It
the Merely a piece of bad English, which would make
I,,,ein surprisingly ridiculous in the eyes of the
.people. He
gs'Pded that, if the Noble Lord carried his motion with re-
to members of the Hebrew persuasion not being en-
„ e to sit and v t in that House until they had taken the
ghatsat Prescribed byoe law, he would
.add the words, " And
tt be referred to a Select Committee of that House, in
srder to ascertain in what form and manner the oath should
pleainicered."—(flear, hear.)
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment of the debate ... 59
Against it ... •.• ... 207
Majority ... ... —l4B
011 our re-admission we found
te nRIGHT urging upon the Government the necessity
ht„,,opting the suggestion of the Hon. and Learned Mem-
-1; air
tf Aylesbury. A petition would be presented to that
victeßs from the constituency of the Hon. Member for Green-
eeci",,_ Praying that the question might be further considered;
4a, U.B hoped that it would be received there in a generous
It: liberal spirit. In conclusion, he vindicated the lion.
slitern_ber for the Tower Hamlets Mr. G. Thompson) from the
r cast upon him by the Noble Lord at the head of the
seat vert, who he supposed had been carried away by the
lof debate. —(Cries of "No," and laughter.)
tic,'°i'd J. RUSSELL said he could not accept of the sugges-
el of the Hon. and Learned Member for Aylesbury. The
_eoate seemed likely to assume a character which he should
l'eligeret to see; and, perhaps, it would be more advisable that
tyY should not continue a debate likely to engender feelings
an angry nature. In deference, therefore, to what seemed
„,4e wishes of the House, he would consent to the adjourn-
"`e,Lit of the debate.—(Hear, hear, and cries of "No, no.")
effect DISRAELI would like to know what would be the
of the adjournment upon the conduct of the house ? t'pe whole of th© night had been expended in the discussion
point of' privilege, which he considered had been most
~tunnecessarily raised—(Cheers)—and they had thereby been
evented from discussing the motion of his Hon. Friend the
voember for the University of Dublin. He should like the
noble Lord to state at once upon what day he intended to
inue the debate.—(llear, hear.)
~1.-ord J. RUSSELL said he should be prepared to go on
11119irthe debate on Friday next.
e4titf3. HALL said he would present the petition from the
day o,.'lncY of the Hon. Member for Greenwich on Thurs-
rLdaY, whichever would be most convenient to the
The debate was then adjourned till Friday next.
kr. AT „, GUANO.
'nto the ""'uOR moved for a Select Committee to inquire
though
n2eittee l''tate and prospects of the trade in guano, which,
otii3,raat, was shamefully neglected. If the Corn-
et rnonstrat at one day it would be amply sufficient to
tied on. ° the value of the commerce which might be car-
e4)ro LABORCIIE
The highttee. RE objected to the appointment of a
""e had heard no reason for its appointment.
placed on `,-,4e of guano was owing to the high export duty
the "°Y the Government of Peru ; and no legislation
lert part of that House could lead to a diminution of that
he dot or of that price.
'P °(-!cti,on waa th gatived without a division.
*Q*4 e --"'NCELL en
h EXCHEQUER then obtained
e to introduce en
otfwtoefollowing Bills—a Bill to con-
ilatutreciri amend the Metropolitan Sewers Aet, and a Bill
ictltheriseale the application of advances (out of money now
'taPert t° be advanced for the improvement of landed
dil• tnet-Y3):_forfacilitating emigration from certain distressed
erettitne:a Scotland; and the Bills were afterwards read a
be follo •
leti wing Bills were read'a third time and passed :
laterierrientile Marine Act Amendment Bill, the Arrest of
Ald, th Nevi, Debtors Bill, the Law of Evidence Amendment
'As ril"‘evi- Forest Deer Removal, &c., Bill, and the Local
elirninary Inquiries) Bill.
C°4ltaitteeMul°llB' Enclosure (No. 2) Bill passed through
thehe UETROPOLITAN INTERMENTS.
.I:f'eutLANCELLOR into. EXCHEQUER proposed that
ding os`7 should go Committee for the purplDse of
"Vol'aervn°te for 130,000/., to carry out the intentions of
Sae ilt,,l(3,l!tit in respect to metropolitan interme
at
lifir opposed proceeding with such an important
Card b. „alf-Past one o'clock in gran morning.
tine. STUART also opposed gng such a sum at
-aBcnable hour,
eO4T
re be h "'eELLOR of the EXCHEQUER defended the
444 )3}tv,ad proposed.
•NlitaV"lT thought that the course proposed was most
to tbe 'l Government.
• 11111 g• HALL also opposed the grant at that hour of the
Cluv,
I,4l}cnee th—',.,CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ultimately
1,
reni:',e,unnunittee until this day (Wednesday).
ebe 11,"",:anig business on the paper was then disposed of
House adjourned at a Quarter before Two o'clock.
f44klciean
I"iiih' rtri
r AlicrunlPhery paired off with Captain Boldero in
erbL
errnan Salomons taking his seat.
srcrman Mahon paired: in favour of the admission
Getid unst With Colonel Chatterton, against.. _
rese„,,"sardpaired, in favour of Lord J. Russell's resolu-
s —"ng Mr. Salomons, with Mr. Banbury, against.
air .1-110 USE OF LORDS, July 22.
tiZ'''°rdships assembled at Five o'clock.
ah? ‘l, PETITIONS.
1141 14 far of ViTINCHILSEA. presenteTitles d veral peti-
T— °lir of the Ecclesiastical Assumption
• hf,
so; 4ml],
Vast ti„ e„,of NEWCASTLE presented one petition
The I.r,oclesis.stical Titles Bill.
ekes hitt" of ARGYLL presented 67 petitions from
anoashire in favour of the Ecclesiastical Titles
v"oa
',ESb Atilt° Bills were, on tho motion of Lord
c.OetitsiLE, forwarded a stage.
ThornedLat-SYICAL TITLES ASSUMPTION BILL.
d WINCHILSEA rose to renew the ad-
ittsero
theeinate on this Bill, and in doing so. he could
tlf wb,tt ate
ips that be had no intention,
ttl'Y Noble 18:tid, of wounding the feelings
I. ken Catholic I ord.
Since the passing of the
altudinn, telief Bill he had cautiously abstained
`l`risure be subject. In his opposition to that
fpporters of
had
n u e
that 4dettna%Personal feelings; am.ong thte
4:lods, end
to retil
it4wdl4 at nerifie tu
their
Were several of his sentient©
ti ilta because ho fel Short of
friendship he would
.haave.
P
sacrifice of principle,
solutel
were ab e t that the principles of the Church
tif "I that b destructive of civil and religious
(gibe ebure„, h, !td opposed the Relief Bill. The object
• ee., hea_us ot home Was to obtain political power.—
ty of').
„rfo had then maintained that an
tlroh, and that if the relief sought by that Bill were
had
1-00 made only the foundation for sig-
ai re,f_u• tie had at minds „, that time been scouted as a nar-
*it% elapse bigot;
three and twenty years had
1)1s. not ri and he now asked if he
et-'ed gtf The Roman Catholics had been
tetlOt!yir)°,lll.,an equality with the Protestants in this
aiity. V 11" r they sought for more than
110.41,4_1:pine never seceded from her arrogant
t,gsin 0d t sup ta
reaoY• Those pretensions might be
so,titeall„l° Lo°Yalloo at the time, but they were sure
°ptAd be renewed. He would not insist upon
4,,Othe
the
since done, upon the sacrifice of our faith,
a.P 4"118 of the Established Church in Ireland,
e, 1, .
h: oola, mon of the Scriptures from the national
,3p..l',iirehyuPn the opposition of the Roman Catholic
4411 this trio 91e Queen's Colleges. The fruits
14ream,on.uc,k‘lng to Rome had been to invite this daring ittPortio__ They had been deceived with regard to the
_e lata, us of the Romish and Protestant population of
smi_. and he had no doubt but that if there were
14tio 'ill Of the dreadful persecution to which the popu-
, and Was subjected by the priests, the people
Ittios_eurtlohYaaistß r
othfo_usands embrace Protestantism, and
tlatNever
would equal the number of
11%4°0 as th t which
had such an insult been offered to a
het44 th had been offered to the English
n are • ssion of the Pope. It should have been
ereh strongth_ essures. The Roman Catholic
s,,_ lovednt every lib.erty, and ho denied that
;,1‘ es,l4Pol meats of bishops in ordinary was
`'‘thr)l' the f
itlfa • I(lfree exercise of the Roman
4 "e'llt• This The vicars-apostolic were
kotßgreseio_ liPpOitataellt of bishops was therefore
geiePle, tie",.o,od an insult to our Sovereign and her
404 tiilt to
meet the
not consider the Bill before them sill-
,.
r not therefore vote one way
Lorde should outrage which had been committed,
1,•• thibips Ll'N DRURST trusted to be or the other.
high Ps before able to satisfy their
he sat down that the course he had
with ° Pursued .
r that ~, on similar occasions was not at variance
or th inch he purposed at present to pursue in voting
t;t4epertitee°t'd reading
,04 t ofthe ini,.ng of this Bill. But before coming to
)301 o_ject hewould. be permitted to draw atten-
-44(111-1 which 14' the ottroo Vf this debate had