The Sun.
London, England, 1805-03-09 00:00:00

" My wound is great ber:aiise it is so small."

On which wit, who was present, cried out:
" Then 'tyvoultl be greater, were there nooe4t, all."

As to the argument that the Mt had not had a
fair ;tie!, and that if time. were allowed
.that it
might yet bet amply produClive, he must desire. the
Houee to recalled, that the Mt was introduced for
the express purpose of raising an inituediate and
poweritil'Force; It was to.elfeft this that the No-
ble Lord had been hurled frutu his sear in the. Ca.
binet to make way for ,the vigour and prometitUde
of the Right Hon. Getatlemau who now occupied his
aituetion. 'lt had not succeeded • in the objedt fur
which it was framed, alld it t‘i;lN absurd to say, that
in three or four years' it might' eucceed. It' a crop
were wanted imniettiatele front is piece of land, it
would be just aeabetird to epw a grain which re.
quired to lie several menthe in'the ground before it
made its appearance oo flee surfecee Perh,;os the
coedet of Frederick trie Greet; of Vrussia might he
instanced by Government es a defence of their tardy
method of increasing the Force, of their Countrye
When that Military Munarch saw any
,woelan re-
malleable for her height,. and muscular aoeearance,
he immediately caused her to hie married to a gee.
nadier .of his body guard, and by this means hoped
to paoduce an Herculean breed, from . which his'
army, might ultimetcly belecruited. The progress
of the operation et' the. Addict Opal Defence 'Mt was
scarcely less deitherate, and indeed the whole Med.
sure deserved nothing but ridicule and contempt.
Lord HAWKEDIURY oppesed the Motion
which the Noble Lod had selenittedro the House,
as pregnant with is jury to the Country. He (Timed
it' likewise on' the ground that it went to institute a
kind of Milita-ry Commiesieneenif thua co infer, that
the Military Adjuinistratioveof Gevernment was de-
feetive, and net to be trusted. He did not deny the
right of the Home: to give-that as their opinion,
but if'such a declaration of their opinion were deem.
ed necessary, he asserted that it shuield be dont, by.
the appoiranseet of e Committee to inquire into, the
merits of. Administration, followed up !iyan Address
to His Majesty to remove the Ministers who had kit
the cohildence cif the House. This weela he a feu and
manly proceeding, 'worthy the dignity of the House,
The indirect, though not the avowed. object of the
present'Motiore was the same; bet, there Was an insi.
oieeseess in this.mode of attack, which he was liure7
the House .would condemn. With regard to the
State of the IN/library Force of this Country, he con.
tended that it was at Okla 'dement aueerior to what
it had ever been since Great Britain .was a Nation.
The pronto( flan which our Military Puree bore to our
population was greater than that of any • Nation in
Eorope, either at present or in. any former rinse,,
scarcely exeepting,'perhaps, those temporary exer•-•
tions of frenzied strength which the revolutiona
different, countries ,has occasioned. 'Fite population
of the United. Kingdom amount. I to fifteen millions:
the usual calculation was, that about one-fourth of
a population were capable of' bearing. armor--that
would he then about three- miliiene' seven oseeight,
hundred thousand men. The number.of tuen in otters
in this Country, not including Volunteers, but men
totally withdrawn from civil life, Red exclusivelee
employed in the military'and naval services was. very
nearly 400,000 mete, being one. Man in ten of out
male pepulation. Now let us look to the Continent.
The population of France'.amounted to 32,006,0aai
the fourth of which was 8,006,c00. Her. whole'
force, naval and military, did net exceed 560,000
men, which war not one man in fourteen ()flier nrale
population. ...His Lordship entered into similar cal-
tulations on the force of Russia and Austria; prov-
ing that the latter was .as one to fourteen
,of' her
male populetion, and the forme; as one -to thirteen.
The country which approached the nearest to Great
Britain in this respeet was Prussia. The population
of Prussia rather exceeded 1°,0°0,000, the fourth of
which was somewhat more than 2, sooiteteo men.—
kler military force amounted to almost esooooti,
being nearly one man in ten of her male population;
but it should be recolleCted that PrOssia, from 'the
military charafter of her People and Government,
had peculiar advantages unenjoyed by thisCueory.
If such was the comparison when only that part of
our military force was taken into calculation wlliclt
was entirely abstrafted.from the civil uectipetionsof,.
life, what would he the result if to these were added
the whole body of mu Volunteers, amounting at
least: to. 3-60,000 men ? We should then find, that
one i tan inlour of otu malepopulation was
engaged •DtjeroCe of the 'Country ; a propor.
tion greater, he believed, than ever existed in the
must turbulent periods vi' the French Revolution,
evenin the reign of the tyrant Rebespierie,, when
the apprehension of the guillotine crowded the
ranks of the,Gallic armies. But of what ditrereot
description was our mew farce what that Lad.
been, he heed riot remind th 2 House--one was found.

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pute paertotism an. oetary ardoar. He would not,
Ititweitees content himself with this general state.
otient-olour military force, but -would anal se it,
.orithrhew that it, was as excellent in charaler as it
wet exeraordinaty, in Magnitude. Ie this analysis
be' would begin with the Volunteers, as they were
generally considered the most loose species of our
-Irstre-dsletii—CostifiTeitily asserted; that' I
very. consideraMe had taken place in
their number since their first ofrart of services This
he would positively deity. The greatest number el
rank and file ever returned' by 'the Inspet!ling
cep was 3 testooo ; the last 'Returns amounted to-
-3 to,ooo, makingsa deficiency of :only esso.o; had a
much, .greater defettion' taken place it -would not
have been at. all extraordinary ; he confessed- he
had expeeted a much greater; and the tiletty
with which so many men Adhered- to their.. en.
gagernints; for such a length-•of' time, r4reaed-
the highest honour on them. 'Of these three
hundred and ten thousand 'Velunteers, one flan:
aired and fifty-seven thousand hid been declare' by
theleatoMilitaev. A toliorities•sits a• Vete- of
pline Which qualified them for immediate and effec.
tive service ; about eighty.seven the tisand hid near-
ly arrived to the same perfodien, and only. a small
number remained untrained. . The Noble Lord
then proceeded to the Militia; and asserted' that
there never. was a timt when that res`pedabk Corps
was in so great strength, or such high disc ipiine.
Our Regulars' and our -Disposable Force amennted,
to eighty thousand men, and in no fOrtner War
could we boast of so excellent •'an Army. They
'were Men inured to service, not raw Levies, but firm
and steady Battalions, on whose •bravery and lints.
ordination the tamest. reliance 'coold he placed:—
A 'great deal had been said by some Noble Lords
about the deficiencies in our Establishment, and in.
sinuations had been thrown out abut Armies art pet.
per, &c. The faa was, we 1.4.1 a Regular Farce
of eighty thousand men/ distributed in thp differ-
ent Regiments, and though he .acknowleilged that
on some accounts it might
.be advisable to coosolis -
date them rather more, if possible, yet for the ad.
vantages of recruiting, and for several other reasotis,
it was deemed itecesaery to keep them in their present
state. It seas tree, that laigp as this Disposable
Force was, it meld he tvished thir it were increased;
btit the quebliesowe were now to consider was, wise.
titer the whole Force of the Country were such aro°
justify any censure, direit or inditea; on the inac.
tivity'of Gbvernment or not ? He did think that.
all 'measures concerniog the. military state of the
Country could with propriety originate only with
the ExeCotiveGovernsnent. Isle did riot mean Par-
liamentary propriety, but that propriety which a
sense; of the public interest dideted,' He did not
deny that partial, propositions, with reaped to cer-
tain, portions, may sometimes, without any great
impropriety, proceed from the other side ; but, he
did not think that even these could ever be at.
tended with- any' advantege. - 114 thought it Moir
iMproper to
.bring forward any general investigation
of •the Military Force of the Conittry, -when there,
was no intention of prodUcing, any other eirea.thatt
to estbarressolisCredit; and displace His Majesty's
Ministers. If -that was the (Nett, the only 'fair
and honourable inede.ofpursuingsit was by direaly,
proposing an Address to His. Majesty to disolece•
them. If the eondpa of the Government with- ref
sped to the Military Administration was partkularty,
the ground i of eherginglliem With insufficiency, ha.
did not think evert then the existing MilitarySystein•
could with propriety betaken, to piecet, though it
would he the strongest-ground for rneving.for thedis.,
missal of the Ministers wliowere the cause of the in...
sufficiency. The quantity, the quality, and tlie.diso,
plineof our MilitaryForce•Were..such as io his opinion
fully justified the Government., As to the particular
Ad that was Made the subjea of, the principal at-,
tack by the Noble Lord opposite, he thought much
benefit may he expeded frorroit. It had not been
enforced till within a few months, and within the
last two or three its effete hatt been very Consider_
gee. This 'circa was inereasinge- and when it was
considered that the principal obstacles. that. stood in.
the way of it, such- as the 'exhausted state
of the
Country, from the east number of men it had'
nished to the Militia, the Supplementary, the Attny
of Reserve, the Regulars, and the Navy ; when
this. wes.considered, and 'also-the effel of the re.
membrancee of the' tigh bounties, both now wearing
away, no. surprise could relit tin at this niewure.
not having been mire completely succeatifill at irior
no any. doobt of its being snore' successful in future,
The success. it 'had had was ;nitre' than sufficient",
to justify Parliament in continuing it. Helues.
tinned much whether the ,principle of ,tossing men
for a limited tirae could be reduced to .pranice, so
as-to
.make it affird any strong inducement consist's,
early with the public Service ; for it should begras
dueled and modified by such a variety ,of .circum.
stances, such as the duretiOn of the War, the, die.
Vance of the part of the Empire where the particular
Coros was serving, and soon, that in very few ino
stances indeed could the,liMit of the naked. engages'
ment of time be adhered to.. With respell to the
attempt of the Enemy, lie could 'not say the Enemy
was absolutely intimidated 'from making it. But
this he would say, that our preparation was such
as to render it madness in the Enemy' to. think- or
•
making it, and ruin if he did make it.
Lord I)4RNLEY supported the Motion, on
the same grounds on which his Noble Fricod bed.'
•made its. He argued at .length' to &hew, thatothe
military State of the country_ .was not adenttate to
what was erquited by the exigencies of the ocs
casion, such as . Majesty's Ministers them-
selves oleserihed them, nor- to the Resources- and.
Spirit of the Country; if properly called fOrth and
diredle. d. With respea to the talents.. and: ca.
paciry . and chareaer of- His Majestra Ministers'
he thought it fair and just, and Parliamentary
to consider them, when any-of their measures were-
underconsideratien, and to introduce them into the
discussion of these measures when the insuflicien4 of
them affoided. proof of the incaptesity of their
authors. Here the
.Noble Lord entered into. an,
examination of the amount of the change that had.
taken place in the Governments. The. Noble and
Learned Lord on the Woolsack was -still the same,
nor did he. wish to see any change take place with
resped to him. - The Lard-Privy Seal had the-sarrie
weight and the same talents which he had in the last

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may hold in many succeeding ones. lissNahle
Htiet
Opposite (Lord Haw x csa (my) had been put octal'
situation for which he.had at first been declaredemi`
nently qualified, and for which be had, at least
this tune, the advantage of experience ; be wa'
re
placed by his other Noble -Ftiend,, (Lord Milt,'
d RAVE)) whose military. abilities he rospettedt Put
wlio
could riot, by military talents ap,d ttlilitarr °"
perience, be qualiii-d fora place so little cantlea' 1
..with. military objects. Was there the urns
of charaeler acd respenabitesity in the Rie,bt Ho!.
Gentle man at the head of the Government
indecd„'it-rnight be said Of the Right
tletnan,.qmonium. mtruitus-a6 li
How mchi'd
he suffered by taking to his bosom tbeNable
opposite, wh.cm he had driven from the Govertanta
as inCapable ? How much was he 'polluted .by rhrd
e's;
ing to himself .at the same time the mod he
thrown on that • Noble Lord, of which, theugi
Much stuck to hint et much remained behind, a2l
of which neither could be Cleansed by its beittuti
smeared'The Noble L-rril at theltod;
the :Admiralty.Was another example of
.the digtll°
tints of office 'gitlitaitt regard to talents•orexpetient
What the' Noble Lord might do remained yet
ascertained. His first efforts, the CJtariora",,,,
pedition, did • not pr,mise much, and his 014,1
for the rice could not be compared with 1116
ble Lord who had left it. He would readily eenoi
'form to the Noble Lord's (1-lAwitgssurt.)
inoving diredly for the dismissal of His qtitll7.
Ministers, it he thought the Moti.in would
tended with any success.
Lord StirrOitc condemner) the praCticc
the best men from the Militia after Geniical4;•T„•
beStOWatlieir time and- trouble on traloingti,
He supported the Motion.
The Duke .of MONTROSE' defended Nit1!,,44)
jesry's Ministersvfor he-could consider thi‘M°rl,,,
as nothingg else than a MOtion'for an Addrocs o_l4
move theni. A Noble Lord opposite 1141.111,/,,.i,
some sharp strictures on the charatter oft{``'"
duals 'Composing that Government. 11',191;),10
to have reid this morning, in one' of 05 pj to
-
Papers; preciiely the same ration's, Jerry htJ
have, been made in another 'place, oboe tp:':'Llei
excited much laughter. He had no 'l'4'. tole
would hPIO .had the same here if Oltter
ha,l not •been, blunted by the knowlefige
whole; was only a repetition. He. CootruileJ,
milt' ad
His 114:ijesty's Ministers had .not -btvn
much had, been done for the defence of the4pt
try ; that •the Aft paitieitlarly •ad vetted to '" eit •
been unprodutlii.e, and that much eveool
may be expected from
Lord CARYSFORT could tylt allow tIor,:••
/;^.l- 't • -
resources
4. rig la.: credit tor tile forTl:r
resources of the Country they g3v'rne', (OP
than, as they had well duetted anti moor' oft,
The•spirit and resources- of the Btitish
ample
.means in the hands •Of the present AP, 30.
j
for producing every -thing great; 'but if)4!'esa ottla
ing ‘.istice to these means they had o'rreositp
He tespeara- the Vottinteer.System. 05 f'
lunteer:himselh anti had h'een one ire s"otlr
y 9 its In"l'cCiinsutj,i
_oGlLsiff:]asirttvrt:ltecils:sel:nantf:,o.iniinnptwctib,ix:Toy.tirsrw:eii.
etrt a eioßGd:l-411
:ir)a):‘,it;euhoe3ierart:stcrioit
ritut;:nnaeniels,nitt4tarrlin;taud:
had at °tlC• sixti
dt
Vfficers. thou ht it but little towards ;tile'''. three
Making an
the charseter of the Country, that we 11'd
triceen,7t.'o • al vtawila3otrr.lasih'ellivdevvabee.ccb.s7ll.°cualnadyte.lll3l:%;el)etli:v;t'.l).:ll:ll.ll)silss:;
itnprefsion,. an Frznce, Which 1114 Ci.
aff.rded by its-being attacked by some "uf
tinental He cow,' not eonte" ICAO'
with this .tonditionally,aniye hostility flr 11,0
try,i which spa`, if rightly acitninisterej, caier. tto
Humbling that Power that domineetdi.
Continent. He could not subscribe to the,
challenged for the prerogative, in- appoitia`,..Til,o-'
lien, a 4
91.6jameots as if klis.lllsj.istP 700
!culd-possibly be:-mori gloridusly iiteercq."l:lollo
LltNodar!Letid°soenrLoldnu:Ptilh°r-lene;toSivitre:Actat:idblifica'itelLre°AttliOlVetpiliMueociGktwit°i'nlaLtlekCit:7l:ll:ll4l,tl
dconduet and their own. measures before theYouist
and
the present Administration lot ps
and improving what they had instituteii;e /IP •
st roebs andl:
Lords
rlds tv:s ppoosni
itye were entitledtitude of the Nation' for .havingin:a.ituteti '' 'e
disapprove. of the continuaactt°iouni',haZii
_theM by the preis,ept • The
6...r?te ()fate Country was allip!y CLlPScient :),,,j0 I.°
kits Nl,4itsty's, G.)vernment, and to WI" -
'll9‘t 'atigrattt)ry expetlations to :he
wished the Noble Lards opposite would
( ••
Frans
which they meant, to suggest it‘ 1.„,,ta I'
mit tee, if they, had ar.y such, or did tiler
withhold them till the happy day %,11en
serves would be- in the. Cabinet, and' e
_would have every done- that'. coffin fro
hr. lie defended the Ac't of List ScssiooT lL
1„o f°
1119c11 benefit was to be ixiie.ted,; it had'ilt't 11,1
tili.:late in the, season,, beetuse its ptorWto,' o.st%
it 89Pn'er 0044rstood by.,thuse
it
Iwn9Vule to
to
tblht:eeelLitli:eeCotti:ors°diu°lfeanGtll.dtltibyl jeee.be;N:e' ret.dueltrtcEiCitnvirn.titoil(Fll)llPl:delt
the arguments or to the vwkh of the 1• 013
writ, had just. sat dowr. wou!d le3,v!
midce their full imprassi;in au their LurO'nllo)",i'll
itiisa that. lire be't ode. that a
sLaiuttilvprere;c:oitol
evi
fornicri of the
.minds (rum 11"44c34'
an t; t is Nub e. Friends
trom the speeches. with, whiey 'it tv3s 311" ~144 v.
At tliC
IC( 11)VICV • I raider 4.0
ntltase :whom he itit'tishcr°lt-1-'t'o'se&7,11:111;413:al
his right hand and • his ltift .141,.tre.. lid ",,.7,iiter4y
charge him and hisNob!e Friends %vial.
~,();60fer',4
in flut supporting tife.,4l,-;„1,re; Inct pr4e'looo-,y
talent hod. brought forward. ditt kii(Jteoil 4,1 ,t
chatge oconttfrt en cx upon his 01;1
site', who 'vdtea for: a. Pefnion yo'
year, aud who would vote sgaiust it

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Ile thought that any min wilio saw 't.§4R td,qlfa(l4
the. Military State of the Country grea;ly
.irrlpros.r_eli,-
aaed'anlionest and ConiCientiOut part ingiving hii,
vote accordingly.; but for himself,
who saw not the smallest reason for changing his former. oinion n.
this snhje ft, he thought it but reasonable and fair too
. - claim credit atleast for consisrenty, when lie thought
that if ever necessary, it was tenfold necessary now.
• But befOrC he prOCee:le'd trt ihlt part of whit he 'in-
tended to offer to their Lordshlptii he '.shoold ob-
Nserve upon the'language that had • fallen from the
oble Secretary of St•tts oppusitez.that it was not
fit' that 11), proposi,i,,n relative to the Minrary,
State Of the C.)untry
„should he Originated in Par-
liamet
n, hut by the ' -Executive Government.—
C9nl"l it be heard without astorishment, in the-Pat.,
.d Ireland
lie,ntoit oftlie United Kingdo an m of Great :Britain.
and ► , that that Parliameot, which regulated controuled by. its Aft i the ambunt, the de%:-
actiotiOn, and the disciplioe of the whole Armed
;'Ce ,of the' Empire, -and which, for the-PorPos-e
~' l'„",i"g that controul more Complete,- voted all
1"e 'vlffliaty A' is iinly fr, m year to ear—W3'l it
to he heard withotit
astonishnient 'andy indination,
that that I),%thamenr g
, or any, Member of it, bad' "
fillilt t.+ interfere with its own Military AR',! that
"was to be converted into a mere elefiive'aSsembly,
So sanflion nr rejeel by its v,te o•haieVer Ministers
theCtown may appoint, and whit t evt r measures those
I%lirlltcr
ti to
that fiat' t• propose ! Such, ialiguige 'bid for
ime within his parliamentary experience,
„aNi he' belieired . W ithin• the recordl of ParliaMent, .
•:eeen uttered this night ,by a S‘ctetary of Stare,
114 lei be was skirty t,s, 5.,,y, as yet WirhoutartY mark of
thsaP'probarion of their. Loolsiiips. In looking
,ack to, the prociedilngs' of ;ast year, When a I\4
11"'Vretisely
,similar ;to . that ma; :e this night \Vas
IllauPPOttett by ail that was eminent . its rank, :talents,
:I,ll,ollerty, in the Couotry, united in what the
,""4L-ird opposite was ',leased to Call a Faftion,
tvat but natural .to ask, what had.' been ~ion*
,
:it° to convince any one, except' those wh°
~,,e,!' 'het; of that F !dion, but now Mt:mbcys_Rf the;
irt''..lent able kliiitnistratiorc that a similar Inquiry
rmi deerta:•rl nec...ssarvitioty 'Much as he had
thaielrd this niollt w id) sof totir. - there. -was one.thing•
h. 1.1 s a • • • • • '...--' •• , -
-i. os!I lieltd avatar infi,trie
the:vw• I .
iiiihroetkoo,,,,it wits,
wit),,,,,ti :I I Lit the Art, of 17a.s.Cytt,'!:, the. repeal
his
iiolll`l,;lladlit,6' M0ve4.1.4. i'N'olife Frien i :4 Ins, ,
i-A' oe allo(ved, , I lc-for one' wOuld'ln9't g 134
it:PPlriany al;et.oion that may be .prop led, fore
wit impossible that;any ;alterati•,n c oduhd have.,
lirftYLefTea latitl- to atle.nd. it, - though ora alteration
w,°llll be complete* but that of et.intal repeal. -He
ni'tsikttc tbc,Noble L tots opposile saw the.necessity u.• 't,l_,'',repeal, . for it they obit not repeal...it-, it
Itilt44l 'rel'e4.l itself by failitik to a mrre nullity.
t• Iv' t. indeed, imoossible the Aft c•rold be
,ert.
:I'wee:rl bY the' levy o}f. ibe , penalties. 'Die_ Aft nave
eta .fall t° the Pdrial, Officers, and the penalties wore
aver on the Parishes, which had no. contrOol'
ti r the PatiTh Officers'i.to conipet them to do
4411,,,i1( the Ile was sure no Court of Law -in
d,f,:eand would compel a mat, 0-, pay' a fine in-
di by
et, delinquency of ,his own, nor by any
iatiru t which it was not in his power to prevent *?i• Itis,tt(4ll' tie was ante, that if any Court of J.avv could
liontttnd to authririse such an injustice against the
krirote Peni'le of England, it would be irripossible to
tellctho decision. In proceeding, however, to
Itt,Ntie.ration proposed, it Was singular that their
ivilioa,llll would:have to take,•the very same' step
14 t'i'liwTat,ntiiv refused because it came froM that side.
which.t,"ntte, - They should go. inns .a Committee, in
110 to„„'it whole MilitarYState of the: ountry was, to
I,,,riati
when' e&
.The measure 'heti:been poprised n' a
tkutii,„, We•were tolatOtounroor weeks or days,
/t i.,:,. ""3)-19 tXpeqiiltioil of ;he:danger of invasion.
taitinq brought forward as a means of act hie
riohs-gti a contitlerahle Force yet gfier,all the prrdic.
,• , -
llio beenl'irt 1441 been made, and -the expeetationt -thatY
titOttini
rug
its•SUccess, the tau. It.
.ivas;alitnettt
.k4Uell d 4t"
he mentioned. • Supposing, WtlfC 1, le
tlubted, brat . hadraised two ' thousand five '
aoldret,it
iti,, ' ,ine(it was that a number of which a great'
h. 4 /Ike this could boas.t., when it was :considered
~iv taa,,,, hash
Per in fog heen•vnuntedOl the Act bettire it was.
vri),
extra tr ?
,The Nuble'Seeretary t..S,'Jtei in the
had th-nrdinary and delusive statement ' tliat,-he.
tilt.,
~iit evri, -
nvide, of what he termed rite Mil.i•
tiotrul4 r.e.e of the'Cinintry; instead of *hewing di4-
tht s! like situarimi in which it atood,•bad. wrapped:
1.,, colter), the Artdonters, &c. round .tha real Mi.
,taty. 1,-
tti i 5 i 10,, t):ce• tor the purpo,e, no ,A.ouht, •of dis_
e f,thieg
~`I at much as possible. -• -The.' obj'a
tre„. -tddicioNi as
Ad •Wils not to in.a 147
eour , Whole.,tnilitary st rength, but :to.: rise
'II
-4.0 alnd itnnletlilte Disposable. F-,rce,-;--'Wiilt
krktitud '"lts- Which Administrition hatt-triadrio the
1104,, ent the Country for theit.exertions,-Wthe
fittittywonuld look to the Returns' of the i.Bri tisli 1n...
Into egf ,V woald
,find, that in
,the: last;; 'ear it').
- "tving increased it had- degreased. .On
.4( 4 1.,. ' - , . - • - , ,
on. ith. J.,!lu4ry 1804, I heHnuniber,,,w4S.MS.6.B6 ;
icisio,;: Pt
.1 inuyy, 1 4?5,.,, it- 991rAnwuri re- to
4lter 3,letinakini; A decrease of Bs3 men in the year,
liar lot,
s°'ting.. GarriePn'ls ,SZgi!''t,hcrt remained
tint an •aill;";',114 ttit general field service:- ?2.8,195 ;
l'it In ,f t. ,4""' ttluSt be 'Made for casualties
INili4r)
444,-Fn . place: abroad,. awl; if - which rto
fl,n,,lht: E:,',6,1'1,e. io the ArttlftiW on the :fable.—,..
loti,t-----”,;-91niet, Where such. bloody, though
ndi.7'll battles had been fought, and in, the West
htr kvll,re
~1
Icoo,l . mdlignant distemper prevailed
not 'f• .
45A,0, r .41tUlil te
4 ,t.- • edtlein ' 111eS4 casualties at less than
lion`, -• Aile whole number to 74.195. The
onment of *hes 't
II? 3,1 1 --e • roops w.,14_...)C.,
vt'licCt, thatltlt4rne,43.oBa. But...the House should re.
Ilk „, Our Estabi• i ' • •
!etn‘•7ntril rrot,t b 1' trtlents Indiffers_nt parts of
ouiati,._ r maintained, and this on 4 moderate
wthiw.,,i,",
_would require li.irteen thousand men,
1,1 y,...,11,0u1ti ''tljiieave theliritish Infantry in this Conn.
14,114o.rie..erttY-1119t14110d Men.
.The On' y chance
7nliA itch she heyt,4_l4lithing Great
.11ritain in the
.rank
2eni, *mit!, ' In i':ttrope, -before the 'Peace Of
;11VAtti,;
.11,..`.1_-tria,'O'..tip.etation with:the Continental
lit ,-4 Ce"s:ioti,
rake ;his co.operatioroeffedual, we
\V 141 hOty, we 6 l'4l with gr4nting pectiniari inc-
-01 e 1141i)14t 'the" vir.,(lusatifie,l to afro r d any other ?
1:.444)1(1 tn 1'414Y °is Positble ForCe of thirty.
,'e.• 1-,,,ti,i_':' i Pot-could ;we &ilia even
_those to
crit'ilo t 'cfit, utile"' we determine I to leave Great
iit;:tl'..,,Vtiltiv,lll4,::° °tiler -defence- th'ari the Iviilitia
Militia ' end Itelend.with no 'defence bot
gurle• The 'Noble Lord commcnied

~~

.esisratillet of Iteie rye -Aft, h;elf.
ternae4ea:'weetcfmt measure.. .It hait.'been • tins.
gined,by ,souse; that if, the Defence. Aft- were re—,
pealed, recont,..." lig be Again had Ao' the Army,
of..Reserue ; but of - this there was- no. tian-i
ger. He r ecoininentled strongly the rectuitieg for
limited, serviee, and concluded by., declaring hia-
hearty assent to the .Mation of his Noble Friend.
Lord CAMDEN observed, that he .hatl.not as.'
serted,-there vast any intention in Gvernment' of
proposing.an Alteration in. the Aft, but' merely that
hcthought some• one enight,possibly be desirable.
Lorei,MULGßieitiE after the, very able Speech
,
that had been mAcie.ltv the Noble Secretary of State,
did not conceive it, necessary td go into any long
detail on the subject.. He wished to correct uric,
misapptehensi )n, of '.his Noble Friend's oppJsite.;
He had expressed, with. a 'de&ree of asperity not,
very usual to him, his indignation .at the as.
sertion which he had imagined his 'Noble Friend
near him to have matle,.which was, that that House
had. not a right to institute a. Committee for the.
examination of military. matters. This' was by no
meanswhat his N Friend had said, which was
merely, that there might be occasions on which it
would not be prudent lo.do so, and that this was'
one of -them ;. in which seri-timely he petliltlY
concurred with' him. . The Noble L entered
into an ex teaination.of the circumstances that hail'
occasioned the effe-CI of the Aft not to be •quite so
successful as it. was expetted .to. have been, He
attributed this. to the great drain of men 'which
the previous :raising 'of the 'Militia, the -Supplemen-
tary Yli-litiaond the Army of Reserve, lad caused,
and the excesssive bounties which resulted from it.
He contended that the Act ;Mari ndt eiceerienced a
fair tria:; it had. been -found during the few last
tivee•ks' to mete be itt,it'ChtlipatOd-Opportion; and the
Returns of the ••last month were so vry flattering;
that tit th.)ughr ist.t,,l),• Lords would not tel them.
selves. justified in ‘touttsiting a measure ehich -pro-
' iniseitso much. •
14e. -I,OR.D•CHANCELLOR at that late hour
shelled not occupy much of their Lordshipv,a
He thought it not Unnecessary, howeVer,tolnake
a...few ;00servatitins on the- nreser,t"question, in
. order to Corrett certain misrepreseetations which
seemed to . prevail ..relative 'to the .'measure under
consideratien.. The Motion that had been submitted
.-that night, was one which had last Session,. thongii.
. not.pruposed in that Eiouse, been the subject of
much observation. It was in effect, the same as ore
" which hail been rejected by a very large,majerity- in.
that House, And exattly'siinilar to '4 Motion 'that
had been proposed in -another plaCe, and disposed
of in a- similar t-vay. Thee object of the Motion,
.thooghiit protessedatO be for a Con'tinittee to revise
.the measures of the two last .Sespioes at .Parliatnent
for the defence of the Country, and to render •the
same moteecomplete and permanent, was...ireither
m :re nor less than to procure•the repeal of that
which was she Law.: of 'the .Landi anti 'which, :Ite
trusted, after this night, would continue the LAW."
of the .Land... To the first part of the Motion
,he could not possibly subscribe,. whilst. 'convinced
he could,: without exaggeration, elltscrt,- that' by
the measures that had'been adopted, a greater force
Wattbeen provided than he thaught it pessible for
man to provide. But it' was nut the,'revisioo
,of
these measures alone that was sought by the
tiun for a Committee, but their repeal; and there
must he -a strong case, indeed made out, to in.
dike their Lordships to repeal ,stieaspre,s _that had
proved so successful. Not the smallest Park*.
.mentary ground had been laid for such a proceeding.
Nothing could weaken so elit.•Ctually the strong
powers entrusted: to Pailiameot, as the rise of them
ocertecnions-not—strong enoire,h to
Various objeetions had- been spited Against the 8,11
-of last Session. title petialtieshad beeniparticttlaily
animadverted upon. But he weull. ask, whether
thjc princiPle Was, new ? . Whtther 'it:was not .4t-vd
uporlai-rWar, in raising that excel:no. Force the
i'iatlisinnel tat- airy, and the Prir,i. quura Nlen,
the Militia, the Supplementary Milo' ia, aril the
Army of, Reserve, in sips present WI r ? l'he prin.
triple was not novel, and the application of +ht
principle had been rendered more mild. in this
Bill 'than in any other 'instance; OlWAioni
beet(' made as. to 'the diffictilfyoollivying!thepe-.."
najties 4 but even thouglethe mails shohld,n6t heye
been rlnt ea putt the ,Law, was ing,ninus enoegit
irctlevb+ing means •Of recnvering debt's -acertimg.
under the Law ; and. what Judge in his 'errnined robe
dated-f-tlisptite. the AutiOrity oi the Law which he is
appointed, to exec.ute? The Noble lePT,cd. bete feted into a &lenge •
of the measures ,of A Inii;ais-
tration 'for ThrlYeeent c,' Ciiun nd cone
eel beetileclaringhli.ometcition.to.the Astion,
•0041:ltnin to be aCqe,pred, beC;l444 'it" go tO
devrive the Country of a useful 'and beneficial mea.
sure, without any'subStitute." havi.ng been propOsed.
by arty •ofthe Noble Lords whel snppotted. it, .ana
rather. to be rcgretto,,h..ceanse.no
liaineritary grounds wit ,tever had b:,co laid to juszify
their' Lordships 'in acceding to it.'
the DUKE-of CL4RENCE
argeed:At greatlength,- and with `mud} warmth, in
support of the M.ition. He was equally sorry
.and..
stirprtied to observe the versatility of sintiment,
ande- ineOnsistencY'Of opinion, betrayed Cline
Noble Lord.s,. reape6ing 'the' nature. autLetendency.
of the Adilitiorial:Ferce Bill, a rheas re which, on
former occasion's, they had so loudly and,strentiously,
'condenined; , His-Royal adVerted'
to the condo& of the. prestnt .-and of the lateYirtt.
411(1 of the Admiralty,..--The vigilance, and-energy
.rif the htter he should be always forward to vindi-
cate and approve., -Had- that NobletUra enntinued
at the head of the Naval' Depaitiasent we should'
not, perhaps,3/4 have had -to lament the.capture
was this day announced in the City.. As to our
Military Systesn,"lie felt it Wa's Mistrisblyi'deficiint;
arid that some chance•might be aifortled to -remedy '
thesedeticienctes he . shotild, support' the • Motion
now before 'their LordshiPs•
„Lord SID MOgrii intreated the' indidgenee of
the House for aTe v4rmoriicnis, the recite sok.a he was
sOlicitOos. to anA wer what .he could:not help conceiv.
tog to be a persnnal attack, He was particularly hurt'
h% the insinuations 4" the Per':ottage who
just sat....:doWn,, whi.ch seenvel poiniedly,to accose
him of vesaatility and inconsistency. He must beg'
leaVe to say's that, such a charge, p eson
in the r t
stance) from whatever r (palter it might come, was

(olocry. withdut loundatiOn; He -140- often been
called upon.c. to deliver his
...opinion' respedittg the
measure which fortned the chief topic of- this
night's %.;ebate; .gn,l on no -occasion' ditt he ad.
wince- atiy, sentimmts different frOrn' those which
heihad Tforineoly expressed respeding - it. He had
always -asserted that it would mit be; attended -with
that, immediate efft which it was supposed could
result from it ; and; if he now consented tolive, it a
fuller and to ire prolonged trial,- it was out of
resped for the. sandion of the • Legislature by
which it had been-' harboured. Never was it
ltis idea or intention - that it oppress the
People in. .the form of a Tex; and should it be
proved so to operate, it'should 14nget meet with
his approbation and support. With respell to the
great-variety of extraneous topics which 'had been
introduced into the ,Dcbate, and Many of which
bad been personally diretted against himself, he
should only say, -that most of them, if .not all,
had no real foundation in fad. A .pluble Baron,
(Ca v.r/v r) hati,on this 'and in.tny other occasions;
been "very prodigal of opprobtibus epithets in de.
settling the Administration ot which he had formed
a parr. The terms imbecility and incapacity were
continually used to charanerise it ; but he still Aid
not fear to challenge chit Noble Baron, or any other
Noble Lord who indulgt.d in the same accusations,
to come forward with the statement of any one
particular measure of his Administration to which

those insulting terms could justly apply. As
little could that 144.,b1e Lord jostify his eternal
accusations against the much condemned Treaty of
Antiins.. Such as, that Treaty teas, it had been
paatidive of the best eons'equences to the Country.
It was made under the necessity that the Govern-
ment should nu.longer resist the voice of the peo.
pie fur peace ; and-in yielding ,to that call, Govern.

rent gave rise to that'onnvietion, which since had
been produffive of the Wit effeds, namely, that the
Nation wire now sensible that a'great and last ex.
ertion must be made•to give security and perinanence
to whstever Treaty rtfay hereafter be erne-red into. It
is tit that Treaty of Amiens that the Country is,also
indehied fur any improvement that may have since
been made in our relative aitil itioti to the Continent.
The moderation which that Treats' evinced "can our
part, and the 'views that it Opened- to the Great
Powers of Europe, nu.re particularly to thoSe of the
North, were among the principal causes of .the
friendly, disposition.• which they have since rani.
rested towards this Couctry. 'The Noble Vis-
count, after referring to, - and justifying the
dilftrint alts of his Administration, and their
conneXinn With the present, Motion, concluded by
• deprecating she ad-,Titian of it, as of a measure that'
must be pranitally mischievous, in' as much as it
must tend, under .such a critical- Situation of the
Country, to unhinge all the measures that: have
hitherto been 'devised for its defence-and security.
- Lord .111ELVILLE vindicated the measures of
the, Admitrstration of which he had formed .a part,
in •cdnjonnion with the Noble Baron (Grt t
v t.u), had- been •so acrimonious
itr litS Charges'agait;st his fOrmer:Colleagues. Not
one or the measures that 'hid been: Adc)pted but
he could fully justify, and 'the "Noble Baron
most be as sensible 'as he was of the expedi:
'ency or the neces4ty by which theywerevinditated,
The Noble .Vi,;eimanl,' eX;fitisted on the merits of cur
vi cries in Egypt., and claimed the full praise of
them to, the AdininiStration'of which he was then a
Me:rther. He was nova little atOnlghed at the mode
of prticeedink whieh sJrrie-NOble Lords had ad3pted
in defending .the Motion.: almost the whole of their
argumeTs were direded against the Additional Force
'Bill,!and -eenied to have' nothing•in view bin its re.
peal. This hurely was nut a very Parliamentary ificide
proCeed mg—tot nor much inure thaw a-fortnight
ago a Motion had been direaly made and negatived
by that-House for a repeal of that Aa ; y et, if the'
arguments 'urged 'now in defence of the present Mo.:
tiou were properly considerisi, they would be- found
to have no other obje& in view bur the repeal of
that Att,.respeding limit Lordships had al-
ready decided.

Lord SPENCER could not but express his
surprtse• ar-trie --complete misrepresentation, by the
Viscount, of what had been advaihied on
hi, side of the' Horse; It was not' merely the
repeal- 'of the Defence' Ad which the present
Motion . had•- in contemplation, but a great vari.:ty
of- other ;improvements, and the- aduption- of other
alearisk'hy which ourotilitary systearmight be much
peddled. Equally-inconsistent WA the Noble and
Lea r~e;l,f,jrtil on the-, Woolsadk in *urging the same
objeilion ; 'for when the. repe'al of the Aft -was pro.:
puied, that Learned. .lard opposed the Altition on,
the ground that k referred ttY 3 sirs...b:,e-mcastire,'-and
to na new system of -measures that .might tend to.
suPfd3' its Place. When 4 Motion Was naw prr-Tosed
to futrii.,h. that new System, or the tvpirtonity of
devising it,- that Motian7 equally met the
Learned Lord's dislipprubltion arid -opp,,sition.-4
SuOtiplistcproentationi anti inconsiltencies it tvas
imposithie fur him to allow to pass by unnoticed and
unrt:proved, -Of the,necesSity ef such a Motion as the
,present he was convinced, and. under that convic,
tion he rnta7t *ore for its adoption.
The -giteation was tiON callikl for, and on
a division atm appeared for the Motion—confents,
52 ; Nort.contents, 3pilitit it, 7s.
A,:j4unicd at Half past Three o'clock.