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r tails of the Bills were not given. The objet
avowed by the Right Hon. Gentleman was, to re--
' new those Tax Bills, but he should be glad tcsknow
whether they bad been voted in a Committee of
Supply ; the forms of Parliament required, before
any measure of this kin& could be carried into
effetl, chat they Should be voted in Committees of.
Supply and Ways and Means. These were very
salutary forms, which the wisdom of the House re-
quired, and which it would be improper to dispense
with. But instead of complying with these4orms,
it was proposed to continue the whole of this Re_
venue,' as if they were merely continuing a tem-
porary •Statute, without any one Member from -
Ireland knowing of any such intention ; for,one,
he protested he Ita&no notion of such an intention •
'being entertained.
Mr. CORRY said, he had flatteredshimself that
he had satisfatlorily answered the question of his
Right Hon. Friend, at least, as he understood it.—
He now understood -the Right Hon. Gentleman to
advert only to the mode and form of the proceeding,
and that he did not oppose the objett of his Motion.
With regard to the question which had been pro
posed to him, he begged leave to say, that it was
not his intention at present to propose to make
these Bills permanent ;' but" he should think himself
much deficient in his duty, and deserving of blame,
if he was not now ready to state the reason why
he was not now prepared to propose to the House
to make a permanent provision for these permanent
charges. He accounted for not being now prepared
to propose such a measuressby canies to the reeol-
ledion of the House all the circumstances of the
present times, by stating the doubts that from
these circumstances existed with regard to the
future Establishments of the Empire, and also the
doubts which he entertained respetting the future
Revenue of Ireland, which it was impossible at pre-
sent to ascertain. These were the reasons why he
was not at present prepared to propose the mak-
ing these Bills permanent, which he should other-
wise have thought it his duty to do. Think-
ing as he did, that it was the duty of that House to,
provide for-the public creditors of Ireland, and to
give them the same degree of certainty and confi-
dence with regard to their. Annuities, that the
public creditors of England enjoyed ; he was also
equally convinced, that it was the duty of 'that
House to provide for the Civil List of Ireland,
which the Parliament of that Country bad granted
to the Crown for a very valuable Consideration.
Thinking, upon these grounds, that the good-faith
of the • 'Country required chat the provision for
these Charges should be made permanent, he should-
have thought it his duty; following the example
which had been set in this Country, to have pro-
posed a Bill to make them permanent. Upon these
grounds, he hoped, he should,, at present, stand
excused for only proposing to continue these Bills
for one year, and he trusted,. in that Motion, he
should not be opposed by his Right Hon. Friend.
With regard to the mode of proceeding, which he
proposed to adopt on the present occasion, it was
notfor him to call to the recollettion of the Right
Hon. Gentleman, that in the Committee of Ways
and Means, provision was made for -the Services
voted in the Committee of Supply, but he must be
aware,. that money business might originate in a
Committee of the whole House, as well as in a Com-
mittee of Supply. The House, always true to the '
principles of its own Proceedings, and always on its
guard for the protettion of its own forms, last year -
adopted a similar proposition, which he had brought
forward under similar circumstances, and very near.
ly on the same day of the Session. He did not then
presume to be master of the form of proceedings in
the House, but submitted to those who were able,
from their superior experience, to guide -him, and
was justified in his conduit by the approbation of
the House ; and what had been adored last year,
he considered- himself as justified in -taking as a
precedent on the present occasion. Upon those
Proceedings, therefore, he now relied for his justi_
fication. The Right Hon. Gentleman, much to the
regret of the House, was not present in his place,
last Session, but when he was informed of what
then passed, he trusted he would no longer object
to this mode of proceeding.
Mr. FOSTER rose to explain :--he wished to
know, whether there was any Vote of the Com-
mittee of Supply for more than two months; if.
there was not, he was not aware how they could
,vote Ways and Means for the whole year, when
the Supply was only for two months.
The SPEAKER said, that the Proceeding now
proposed to be adopted, was the same as that of
last year ; and that which had been adopted by
the judgement of the House, he was bound to con- ,
sider as regular. At the same time, it was com-
petent to any Member to object to this mode of pro-
ceeding ; and when the House direled a different
course to be pursued, he should submit.

Mr. FOSTER said, he had not made himself un_
derstood. The At of last Session for continuing the
Irish Revenue Afts, was certainly for one year; but
then the Supply had been voted for a year : yet the
case was now different, for the Supply was voted
for two Months, and it was proposed to continue the
Revenue for a year.
The SPEAKER said, that with regard tr. the
last point, there was, at the commencement of
every Session, a general Vote of Supply, which
he understood to be a sufficient foundation for any
Member to make a proposition similar 'to the pre-
sent.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
he felt great difficulty in offering'any opinion upon
a point of form, after what had fallen from the
Chair, in which the forms of the House had been
so distinlly explained ; he also felt considerable
difficulty in giving an opinion upon a point of form,
contrary to that of the Right Hon. Gentleman be_
hind him (Mr.,FosTER). The Right Hon. Gentle-
man had urged, that there must be a vote of the
Committee of Supply, to justify the -House in
voting for the continuance of these Revenue Bills:
Undoubtedly, whatever was voted for the current
service of the Year, must first be voted in the Com-
mittee of Supply ; but the proposition his Right
Hon. Friend meant to make was, not to defray the
Current .Services of the year, but to provide for
permanent Charges. The Comthittee of Ways and
Means was appointed at the commencement of every
Session ; but in' 'th t CornMittce, nothing could