The Sun.
London, England, 1856-01-23 00:00:00

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ordered the Landdrosts to send in monthly returns o
stolen cattle, with all the ,pattiCidars of the theft, in-
stead of allowing the list to accumulate. fer two years.
. 1 will tell him - also that Hit is not only from Mr.
Ford's district that cotoplaintA. si"- Made. I have
received reports also from Mr. Orpen that thefts of
horses are comioitted - ori the' Wit, burg border. Some
' of the kurses have been found with Molitsani, and
some have been given up ; others he refuses to return,
unless the owners cone to fetch them. This must not
be. -My people cannot be put ti such expenses. He
ought to have sent the stolen horses and thieves to Win-
burg, where they would have been punished by us. Steal-
ing will never cease unless thieves are punished. Re-
taking stolen cattle from the thief is no punishment.
He ought also to be fined, .or receive corporal punish-
ment. If the chief refuses to give up the thief he makes
himself responsible. We put thieves in prison, and
punish them when convicted. If lie did so we week'
nut have any more stealing. lie need not tell me that
he has no power to puri,le those who do wreag, fur if
they can r .telat the stolen cattle they can punish the
thief also. It is complai.ied that Molitsani harbours
bushmen and , tier thieves ; ai,o, that Letsela occupies
tie lands of the farmers and makes gardens there.
These are the very people whom Mosl,e di promised Hoff-
man to remove last January. -Molapa., people have
also encroached, wel Molapa, though he has protrii,ed
to remove them, has no; done_ so. I mention these
things to show that they gave r:se to quarrels.
My people swill not submit to it any longer.
Now, as 1 e asked my aivice, I say that if his
people will not obey him he must make them. He
must take his people against them. Those thing?; that
they shoul I net wish us to do he must not do. He
would not be satisfied if I said I could not help such
things, if c rumitted by my people. I know that they
can do it, because sometimes for months long no thefts
were commuted ; so, if they could stop the thieving
once, they could do so again, and there are other chiefs
who never steal. I cluc!utle, therefore, that those chiefs
who will , xer,;ise their power can Stop stealing.
c 4 AI s'lsth—Can the names of those chiefs be given ?
" President—Moroko, Jan Bloem, Lepui, Adam Kok,
and Waterb,or.

Moshesh--Yon mention those things, his Excel-
lency being present. We must remember that we are
on a friendly visit, Your honour must remember• that
vcu have ben only a short tinio in t: r 3 country. The
Landdrost and I, who have long lived hero, know better.
The sward of the mouth is grievous. We had better
nit speak so, but separate in peace, as we have met in
penc:z . _

" President—l think thl hest way to secure peace is
that friends meet and speak their minds. I have stated
all I have to say, and I want Moshesh to state any
grievances he has to speak about.
" Moshesh—Not to-day.
" President—Very good ; I shall always be happy to
hear from him about anything that is done wrong by
my peop!e, as war would only break us all down ; but it'
there is any other thing, as his Excellency is present, of
which he feels aggrieved, I should be glad to hear it..
Moghesh —Not to-day. Let us go home. We eau
correspond by letter.
" President--Would he like his Excellency tc give us
some advice.

" Moshesh—lt isnot theproper day. His :Excellency is
not }Preto hear difficulties. We can correspond by letter.
" President —4 thought Moshesh would wish it.
" Moshesh—Ad vice to a chief might be given in pi i•
vate, and not in

" President—When occasion is urgent we seize the
first opportunity of meeting, and, if MAshesh postpones
the conference on these urgent matters, some accident
may occur, for which we may he sorry before we meet
again. It may be long before we ,an meet again ; it
may not be easy for us to do so. We can write, but we
may not understand each other so well a, by conversing.
I have therefore spoken to him in his Excellency's pre-
sence, in order that he might give us some advice, and
that we might profit by it ; and it would be a satisfac-
tion to go home with the mutual conviction of having
come to an understanding to cotrcct what has been