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The Rouse
SIPE LY.
Sup. l 9 then resoivA itself into a Committee of
y,
,m 4
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, „ lowing votes were agreed to:—
I )01 -
errao,l4.
the chsr4e for Princ- Ed wArd's ',land. •
tish ur:l7/. f 4. the eceleiaiiic4l establishments of the Bri-
2':a Ain.irican provinces.
13 „
f the Lidian department of Canada.
r 13 ,hatua
of th,uVescharge for governors and lieutenant-governors
36v . 1 biota Isktids.
e.,A„t.'4l. for the stip:-.tudiary ju,...ticel in the Wcst India
and the Mauri ins.
tltAfir.B,(lL for civil establi-htnents on the western coast
104,
charge for Si. miens.
la 91, charge for Western Australia.
1, '3l for Bettina:lent at Port Essington.
1404,41 the next vote, 20,000/. for New Zealand, being
Dosati,
kr v.
• • SMITH said he wished for information, if it
hit,lhen eoovenient to give it, as to the vsition is
it the Government stood with resrct to this colony.
cot,°:tlng tak-n from the New Z 'eland Company the
44Y With all its liabilities.
Ns mt. 'JAMES deprecated discussion on the subject at
the f-I°,lllol, at in a few days pipers would he laid. on
4'"'" tif th,? Howe giving the most full information.
20,it COBDEN considered that the ou'lsy on New
114,1" was asp eimen of their c G.,vernm,nt.
2,toe wero not more than 30 000 Europeans in w
and, and tot the pe„pl„ of England were paying for
800/ :11mr 2,500/. ayer, for a lieutenant-governor,
clork' "'r cin-f justice, 1000 L, for law officers and
51)01, and tor a bishop fr.im 5001 to 6001. They
ZotPatd r,r a naval establishm,nt and au army, and
4" e11`,1`1%4 Isll. 10.5301 for pulilic works. All the N.
Lit th-er4 wanted roads, why not make thin and pay
1119 ? lie He considered all thin a gratuitous waste of
People money, and he could tell them, that when the
lo ik "ad a voice in that House they would not submit

aiefLneot,
the &web burghs. would aoswer ad the purposes.
Mr. HAW ES said the subject was under the consi-
deratiou of his Noble Friend at the head of the Colonial-
office. He could now state that while in 1849 12 ships
o' an average of 9 200 tons touched at the islands, in
1850 no few._o. th‘au 23 touched there, with an average
tonnage cf 13 622 ions.
Tne vote was .greed to.
15 5001 for Hong•li.,ng.
Mr. nCO I' said, l•e at Hong-Kong in any point
of view, no colony belonging to this country cost so
mach. The population was 33.000, of which fifie,n-
sixteenths were tlnines,, and an .ut 500 European,:
Am-ricans; and for the governmi,nt of these 29.0001.
were paid by England. 'there were only 20 acres of
land under coltivation in the whole colony. The trade
had fallen ',ff from 294 ships in 1849 to 159 ships in
1850; while the ntimfrr of peraler qualified to serve es
comon•tn and special jurors had fall-•n off vry consider-
ably likewise. Tn.. governor and his aide-de-camp,
however. received 6 000/. a year; the colonial secretary
and treasurer received nearly the same; and the sur-
veyor. for surveying these 20 acres of tillage, received
1,2001. a year. The harbour master receive I 1,1161. a
year, while his duties ware performed by a Lascar at
300/. per annum. The place was ao unhealthy that
people would not live there; but nevertheless the salaries
of official persons akuountol to 12 0001 a year. the
only reduction of expense was that of pubic works of
utility. the roads being, iu fact, allowed to fall into de-
cay. while the cost of government remained at the same
figure. He proposed, therefore to reduce the vote by
5,000/.
Mr. HAWES said there seemed little encouragement
to the Government ta pursue a course of economy. The
paper lai I on the table showed a reduction o 4 500/. on
the estimates of last year. The c tat of hitiariet. alone
in 1845 6 sas 35 800/, while the cost in 1849 50 was
mil! 29 1001. b -tug a reduction of 6,600/ in titat period
With respect to public works, tho. Hon.
would find by the paper before the House, that, though
there had been a great reduction. there had been 110
1.63.41, ct The colony vizi. mt d übt, au extravagant
one; hut the reduction to ale in the cost of rs govern-
ment had been from 1849—when it was 49,0001—to
1851. when it was 15,2001. There had been a great ill.
crejaw of trade in the colony, and froaa 1848 to 1849 the
population had increased 13) 8,000. He tousted, tnere-
fore, the House would not agree to the amendment,
considering the great importance of 'hit coiony to the

k "r
LIPrIPTHE beli-veil there wile no colony that
thillr4b't'er deserving of the support of that Heuse
tikti 2-'eland. There the blessings of Chrls•
14114' Were manifested in a manner that was almost
qlons emongst a people that a few years ago
oannibals. He would tell the Honourable Meus-
e% btr thet e Rtseop of New Z island's sa'ary wasd
NI:1'1Y 6001. a year, he else received an ail 1-
ciet„l income frem the contributions of a religious so-
sesf. The vote now proposed was one that he heartily
-isurrred
Ottidth,teiheW. WILLIAMS wished that the religious society
whole of the bishop's salary, or if not that
Litho Raga reduction in the enormous salaries of the
teetlll,ll
60 0/Pisaheat home, and some portion of them given to
New Zealand, who he believed to ea
iPexcellent man. He moved that the vote be reduc e
kr te
Nt, ',;(1-TME observed, that every paper received from
tikm"alend contained °wept tints of the heaviness
bee r; 'rho people, to avoid the pressure of texs,i,on.
ki f'ona the colony. He wished to know from
b,phm
i(,ttdveir -cretary if many persons of late had not
kr I, saving 01, celony?
Mr,ni",\!ES—Yee• going to California.—(Laughter.)
fOblie VIE believe'd -it was to avoid taxetion. The
pe,p4stweorks were considered by the New Z ,a'andere as
to roue mid uncalled fir, and he theretore propoeed
ii'tpee the vete by 10 9351
, After few words from Mr. MACGREGOR.
ethWES admitted that there were in New Z ,a-
Phlin,Persons complaining of taxation, but their tom
%cut' Were not jastified. In the colony the Govern-
sets„pkilse_F..peTiehlieture had been reduced and tb. revenue
colony, he couli say, was advancing very
kr? lo a career of prosperity.
that tM• FOSTER observed that the colony was one
term °Tilted very great indulgence. It had re-n inter-
ktZit° by the Coloiiiel-office, and many of its in-
ch'ktd had been thereby reduced to very great distress
t'sse,r;)RDEN observed that Great Britaie deriver;
tkonvc, advetege from the trade with New Zetlan.
ran
ht (xIY v.ho sold cheaper than the Eegeise would
twe e the
exclusive advantage of its trade; but how
if tOge English people to sell their g eels cheap
by "9 Were to be burdened with taxation caused
}4e useless expenditure as this? The Hon.
lion "r (Mr. Plumptre) ought to look to the condi
tr,ii °I the people of Keat, and see whether they would
lier6ttpe burden of Canterbury as well as of New Z.raland.
ehniecled to their covering their bloody misdeeds with
hki rich or a chapel, as the Spaniards and Portuguese
theeP,'"teri a cross in the mi-let of tortured nations that
shel.%,Yrannised over. He COti,etA to the spreading of
leave
tl'irettts of their faith either through the operateins
14"0 the "ernment or by force of arms. He would
Lions of baetr:al of Christianity to the voluntary exer
New . —votent insividuale. As to their exp irti to
t%pent:lniatularnet
rd that upwards
p:tYthl:eritermtov be accounted for by their
and navy there. He be-
't‘b°4,Z•filand since
oleo! 2,000.0001. tied been spew. in
I first set foot un Its soil, that
stentiwilliotii had te.eti wasted, and that they never
theetsg't 5 Per Clint. on their outlay. Individual mwr-
diN Wight profit by the trade to New Zealend, as in-
: merchants amongst them might profit by the
to,t,he,Y carried on with the west coast of Attlee.
feeiCd• RUSSELL remarked tear the IL n. Member
O ks,:jvnat Riding could not agree with tho,e who took
aties'eutant's view of this subject, nor could he agree
it the Ron. Member opposite (Mr. Plueeptre), who
(liar the vote on the general ground of chsrtty.—
hopsheee,) He did not think that the Hon. Member
It -4,llhde out a ease for reducing this vote.—(Hear.)
he 'l)9lired to him th it the subject Teas one that might
14tPciken to without reference either to immediate
it?ln& loss.—(Hear, hear.) What was the general
tlf New Zsitland before England toek Rbesession of
re} The natives in a savage state, and the country a
ttir": for the worst characters from New South Webs.
role 7 Proposed by certain
ise n New Zealand, and persons
ss inwent thither;
country to
O thither; but
ter" ~,ould not legally establish laws or government with-
Ile et? consent of the Crown. This was given them, and.
this rd J. Russell) thought it was not unworthy of
°Wis—aillra' to redeem that colony from a state of bar-
liv "r° on the one hand, and endow it with represents-
the institutions on the other. It was for this
i purpose
leollgrttots were made yearly; but he (Lord J. Russell)_
%t i!ti to the time when the colony would support itselft.
tee:° dstant period. He had appoinesd the Bishop o
64ieland, and he thought 6001. a year was not too
6‘), ef'dr a man who worked sincerely at the holy work
sitet:',lng the Gospel, With respect to trade no pro-
"ode Yaw Zealand bad any advantage over foreign
iFe; and it seemed to him, therefore, that the coun-
lozeeritglithitesitoilillgevre.ry justly go on paying these sums for
loler; BUMF sail these grants were destroying the
'xcl''" Between 79 0001. and 80,000/. were txpen d,
tmusire Of the cost o; the army ale' navy, for the
be-
he4, tif 10,000
European colonists. On that ground
hit
e7oluid oppose the grant. Tne cost of that miserhs:
tele ; was some 300,0001. or 400,000/. a year to t
Mr
sq.
Mr bto
ez: LUMPTRE believed the inissioneries employed
tient:w Z.eilatid had been sent from the Church Mee-
Seeittyi and he was- informed they had great
lh Good reasons e
had been adduced for exteedin
itik:tijittoti to New Z.altiid, and the Government were
neen'Zie.di therefore, in the greet as far as they were con-
Ole t
• tiENIS:)N was inclined to agree with the lion.
kittnibere for
rods
the Weds Riding and Montrose, that
the Public works were not items which should figure in
thoPtimetie He should not oppose the vote, but he
tli,ll4ht the Roue sheuld express its opinion that
ce4lettis shuttle* not be charged to the people of this
Mr
st UME would therefore give the people of gpnt
41111jnr)°rturlity of taking the !Sense of the mete on the
Th
keimmittee then divided, when there anpeared—
Por the amendment... ••• *** 23
Against it 5227
•••
Majority • ••• ..•
sl'ho gallery was then cleared. for a divi-ion on the
tledue Ist cif the Hon Member for Lambeth; but noneth.
_k*place, as it was understood the mutton was k
Tti •
t• vote was then agreed to.
miooof. for the Felklend Islands.
m reply to is question by Mr, COBDEN,
land, IIAWEs I. of these 15'
lei, tit p pu atiou
very small.—(A laugh.)
Niir• 00,BDEN said the le peletion was little mire
tilt. 100 tiers 414, and yet here .are 5 0001. a year for
tp He su,gested that it would be hector
tleIe"1"4) the whole popeleiien to Canada, as had been
eoti"i ill the case of Port Essington. They might be
144140)4 maintained at halt the cost of their govern-
-Ist,'" this ermntry.
lIUME theught the House should net ge on
"te,rlf. 'way the money of the country in that manner.
Acre, regular governmental establishment for 100
Mrh: " •to r err WILLIAMS said 7001, a year was collected
she s" oelony fir the purposes of government, as well as
nil 4?oit 01. paid by this country. It was time to put an
tar
• AWES said the Pelklend Islands could not be
tv,teoered simply as a colony, bet as a naval station.
earr these circumstances an establishment was neces-
exlei audit could not be maintained without a certain
Plant If England gave up these islands there were
per Y of ether nations ready to take them for the same
irti:°oB(l Its they were now held—namely, a naval station.
1846 ,xilnlae of the government had been reduced since
sv,tii Trona 9,0001. to 5.0001. per annum. The station
the satll"h more resorted to now than it was before, and
leheb.idl Produced a greater amount of food for the
00.NER said the surveyor coat 1.2001. a year;
4„u4; were hts ies the receipt of that sum in
e small Justify
M. tetkwEi
4k - "Ids wherever there was land for sale
14ti 4 :41:18Zegittry to hive a surve or The PoPu-
-001,,,y.
ing' and so were the salesY of land in the
11'. E. DENISON
of 2501. . •, °eked the meaning of the sum
ttsltfor •• eernieratiee?
rile,,Aly‘Vt,E, I..B•:tri,dethmeeTtiiiiien,zlV:Els so exceedingly small
tfluer. COBDEN asked hoes
I,et
.T.ll:cln(l.l.t the Falkland Is!endmeaitZt ym,eariep ant vessels
"ntlie hed belched there, TaccordingholPar
resort tee Geverner.
•11 W was not prepared i but
trio-evt'r tea e toueeni
within , to Bey PXRCLY, ,
efore. trio Last twelve montles than had
letthr. RUME thought the Ott; colony.lloght atieretAined
P4191:3 "44 more than one4ourth of

country.
Mr. FIUME was very much miiinform'd if the whole
object of the colony had not failed. It was expected to
concentrate the trade of Canton, but it had not done so.
The time was. therefore, come for the entire review of
the establishments of this country in China, especially
that or Hongkong.
Vise cunt PALMERSTON said that as a commercial
depot Hong-Kong had answered to a great extent. There
was a direct trade with many parts of China. But it
should not be considered as a commercial station merely
—it should :Also be considered in connexion with its po-
litical bearing on China. It bad been pressed upon him
by the Commissioners at the settlement of the affairs of
China, that some spot tree from Chinese caprice should
be secured to this country, and Chusan was mentioned;
but authorities in this c 'entry thought Bong Kong pre-
ferable. It was in his opinion, however, necessary that
there should be some spot on the coast of China where
Briti.h m:rehants couli be tree from Chinese caprice,
and not placed at the mercy of whatever party hell the
governmem of Canton. Of late there had been a re-
action in Chinese policy against European int-rcour.e,
and a: t.inp-s had b,en mad oven to intritige •he treaty,
which, it was harped, wou,d med no hing mire than re-
tnon,trance Bit it the Chinese threw &Mutinies and
obstructi ,ns in the way. it was of immense importance
to have a c.-ntral authority for the protection 01 British
tra:ie and c minaret. Tne Governor of Hong-K mg had
civil and crtnati.al juria•fictton. and that firmed a cJiist-
derable portion of his duties. Under there t mrcunistance,,,
and seeing the importance of Hoeg, Kong in a political
fl,l well as a commeictal print o• view, he did not think
th. expense was greater than the ounsiderations which
were pleaded for i s inairiten
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said Dr. Bowring got only
8001 a year, while the Gr)vernor of
c. ,u1(1 not he for a moment compared to him in pint of
experience and ability, got 6,0001. That was preps-

tero-is.
Viscount PALMERSTON toid Dr. Bowring had per-
rormed his duties with great ability and great success.
He should protest against the comparisons drawn be-
tween the salaries given to Secretaries of States at borne
aid those serving abroad. It should be considered that
those offiiers who were sent to a foreign station otters
went to an unhealthy climate, were banished from home,
and were frequently under great expense.- Many vela-
ahle lives bad been sacrificed on these stations, and Hon.
Gentlemen were of:en ebligel to leave in conssqu,nee of
ill health. Those who understeid the scale of official
salaries could bear tes.imony to the fact that those ap-
pointed for C ,ins were very reasonable.
Mr. CLAY said it was highly uejust to compare sala-
ries of office., nt horn, with those aproad.
Mr. HU VIE thought that 3.0001 was to much to
pay fur receiving a duty of 22,000 L; and 1,200/. was
too high a salary for the surveyor-general ut an island
20 miles in ex ent.
Mr. HAW ES seid the salaries had been well cowl-
d. red. an.) teen flail at a rate, *Meta was thought revs-
s .nable. Considerieg the climate of the piece it was
most tit just to me,sure the salaries with those in
England.
Mr. SCO PT said they thought 39 000/. was too large
a sem f,r the government of sech a place.
Mr. MACGREUOR was confident the Noble Earl at
the head of the Colehiel Department would carry out
the reductions which be had commenced. When he
thought ut the confidence with which ships went out now
means held in
otl
thoughtihßeehE et
,toehLiseot
nissmiiladatri
couldwoy
of.a be
to China, be asserted that tiougkong should be by no
rwastes Captain
lie whetherSCteh
governedthey had had
governornt to
awcahsema considerpoes
rt
extravagant.
Mr. HA Ar. ES said it was not as governor alone he had
that salary, but as general superintendent of our trade
in China.
After a few words from Mr. HUTCHINGS, the
Committee divided, when the numbers were—
For the amendment
Against it ... ... 65
Majority in favour of the original vote —26
The vote was then agreed to.
A sum of 5,5001. was then proposed for the governor
and deputy-gov, rnor of Labuan.
Mr. HUME thought the vote was too large for its
object.
Mr. HA W said Sir J. Brooke was governor, and
Mr. Scott deputy governor; and that that vo.e had been
4"""aiing every sear. In 1849 it was 7,8001.; in 1850,
6,7001., while in 1851 it was only 5,5001
Atter some discussion, in whiun Mr. Urquhart, Mr.
Williams, Mr. Hume. atid Mr. Anstey, toult part, the
vote was 44 dto without a division.
A hum of 25,3311. way them proposed to defray the
exp'nses of the Colonial Land Emigration Board and

offices.
Mr. SCOTT' said that vote was ablut 12,0001. more
thee it had b-en last year. But when it was cousidered•
that about 28.0,000 emigrants last us every year, be did
not think the sum
.prop e.ed was too great f..r the objects.
b- cause, out of thit 280 000, about 120,000 were under
the Colonial Land and Ermgration,B pard. The services
of these Emigration Commissioners were by no means
commensur .te with the salaries paid to them, because in.
pro,:ortion as the expense went on the number of emi-;
grants to their colonies decreased, while those that went'
to other party of the world had in proportion increased."
H' Attribdted this state ~f things to . the inactivity of'
their Comtnissifin4s. He trus.ed that the Han. Gen-'
teman would consider seriously whether the Board,
might not be made mere effici ir, fur the carrying out of
those obi, cts for which it was formed.
Mr. HAWES said, that since the year 1847 emigra-
tion had increased consi&rably to their Australian co-
lonies. He must remind him that the emigration which
was going on absorb, d c4natderably more than the funds
that were appropriated for the purpose by Parliament.
It should also be recollected that the colonists, who were,
of count-, consulted on the matter, desired tnat only a
particular class of emigrants should be sent out. namely,
the, able b 'died men, and those that were enabled by
their kilo ..ledge of certain mechanical arts to confer per-
manent tia
adv.htsee tin the c.dunies. As Pathausent
had not allowed funds enough to meet the whole ex-
-1::::6.01 emigre:ion, it was d• era,-d necessary to raise
funds by land sales in the colonies. WILE) these,
however, t
Ipe?t:ioanlidtha
he Commissioners had nothing whatever to
Colonial office had considered this question
dmt.o..,tshteTtu,h,
al_ttat-i.rrtr
carried
s jeuittneet deliberation ih.cam"
gration board.
!,o.sibleihe busitteas y
ol emi-
(girram."o'nree,:it(l,l44e,tfoul ea IZl:i'•uttilisun a U better,r
il: 's)yresteecaVedmoplatetilds
that as the Hon. Member had
• klie,v
stated that h. to whom the contract would be
gis,.e, e charge was made against a public department,
by
the
firlie7E' Ethu.‘al4l,,
and that ~,me ,Zpl4hstino was required.
Mr. SCOTT sari he Was Maly to repeat that from
the moment he heird that tenders had been off teed he
knew the genii wan whoa" tender would be ii,,of-ptpd,
although that tender Wei 30 per cent, higher than the
I others.
Mr. HUME thought that such a statement required
some answer, tie wished, also, to know, as the number
of Commissioners had been increased, whether they were
all fully emplo}ed?
Mr. HA WES, in answer to the first remark, said, he
thought when the Hon. Gentleman opposite said he
knew to whom the contract would be given, that he
leant to say that he supposed it would be given
mereto a certain person. He was sure the Hon. Gentlemen
did not mean to impute to the Commissioners any unfair
dealing in the matter. le selecting which tender to ac-
cept. the Commissioners bad to consider not merely
p t
ect
he
amount, hut various other circumstances Witn res
to the duty of the Commissioners, he could assure the
Hon. Member for Montrose that no public officers were
more laboriously employed than the Commissioners

LONDON,

ease bad b etch vry gr at success; indeee,
with a more rapid success that+ ceuld have been ex-
pected. Ou the coast of Africa the slave trade might
be said to be for the moment &must extinguiatted north
of the line. With the exception of only two places,
Lagos and Porto Novo, near Whydah, the British
cruisers had spoilt the slave trade at other places;
so much se, that those who bad hitherto traded in
slaves now dealt in ivory and other products of the
country. Persons connected with the natives stated
that the slave trade existed only in the minds of
those chiete who got presente and profits from the
e
slave dealers, but that the bulk of the pe were ex.
eeedinely commsrcially inclined, end were anxious to
buy European commodities with any produce of the
country which Europeans would take. For a long time
they bad never taken anything bat slaves; but now they
prof rred ivory and other products of the ceuntry. En•
desvours were aiso making to extend the cultivation of
the cistern plant. and spnciatens bad been sent to Man-
chester, which had been reported to eof a very valua-
ble kind, likely to fetch a high price b
in the Meachester
marker. As far, therefore, as related to the coast north
ef the line, the slave trade had been almost put an end
to. In the Portuguese settlements the slave trade had
also very much diminished. The Government of Por-
tugal bad cordialty.and be believed sincerely, co-operated
with the British officers. Some of the inferior officers
of the Portuguese settlements still yielded to the temp-
tations of the slave-dealers; but at Benhuela and Loan-
dos the slave trade might be said to be paralysed. Many
of the slave- traders had suspended their business, and had
turned to traffic of a different kind. On the sou, kern coast
the Imaum of Mumma during the last year, had eff trded
facilities fer checking the trade, and the result had been
that in one river in the south of the Imaum's dominions,
where a areac trade was a -rried on for the supply of
B azil, barracoons had been destroyed capable of holding
5 000 a. On the retest of Africa, therefore, by the
greater vigilance of the clutters, by means of those,
ire made with the native chiefs, and which he was
happy to say marry of them had observe d with great
fitielity —by the progress made in Liberia—and by
the co-operation of the authorities in the Portuguese
settlements—great progress had been made in checking
tee trade. He was harps Ws° to add, that the meet
cordial and pet feet co-operation had prevailed between
the British cruisers and those of France and America,
and that our ccmmodore had expressed in the strongest
terms tne great obligations he owed to the active and
zealous supp It and ca operation he bad received trom
the French and American forces employed.—(Hear.)
The great place to which the slave trade of Africa had
been directed vvas to the coast of Brazil, and statements
had been made before the Committee en this subject of
the enormous amount of slaves that were landed on that
coast. In the early part of last year the British cruisers
which bad been fur a long time detained in the River
Plate in consequence of our differences with the Go-
vernment of But. nos Ayres, were concentrated on the
coast of Brazil, where their operations began to be
much more active and 1-ff.,ctual. Communications bad
taken place with the Government of Brazil, and the result,
as had been stated by his Noble Friend in the early part of
the session, was, that the Brazilian Government, in
September last, passed an additional law for the preven-
tpioo,r.
n
veeit the slave trade by declaring it to be piracy, and
had at last exerted that vigilance, and put forth that
which, in his opinion, it was always in their
power to have done it they chose.—(Hear, hear.) The
effect had been the almost total extinction of the slave
trade in Brazd. The number of slaves imported into
Brazil in 1850 was not above half tbe number brought
to the country in former years. the n number
was al says brought in the early part of the sear, but
in the first quarter of the present year, up to the Ist of
April, very few slaves had been brought to- Brazil. The
number had been stated at only a few hundreds, instead
of the thousand,' that used formerly to be imported.
The Government of Brezil had co operated most sin-
cerely and most e fretuelly in fulfilling the obligations
of the treaty between Brazil and England, in carrying
into eff et the law. They, DJ this country, had always
labouret under a great Liaiitake in supposing that the
Brazilian nation, as a nation, would cling to the slave
trad'. The fact was, that it was only a certain number
of Portuguese families, of great influence, that main-
tained the traffic ; anti the opinion in favour of it
was a factitious opinion, and not the opinion of the
Breziiians theenselves. within the last two years
there had grown up in Braze) a powerful, active, and
intelligent anti-slave trade party, with newspapers
devoted t their came, and entareing their opinions in
the Parliament of Brazil, He believed he might say
that a large majority of the Brazilians were opposed to
the slave trade, and that the p arty in its favour was a
very small one, anti consisted chiefly of foreigners. The
result had been, that the Braz lien Government had
employed several cruisers to co-operate with the British
cruisers in seizing slave-trading vessels. They had de-
stroyed the haramions along the whole extent of their
c rest and had breneht to trial the persons accused of
slave-trading. They had captured slaves who had been
landed and dispersed in plantations, and they had exer-
cised, in one or two cases, the powers given them by the
constitution, of banishing persons noteriousty engaged
in the slave trade, who, from some technical difficulties,
(emit' not be bought under the jurisdiclien of the courts.
Having been int.-rifled that a great nutntier of these
l'ortuguere trod-rs had left Brazil and had gene to Por-
tugal, he had written to our consuls at Oporto and
Lisbon en the subject, and had learned tha: no fewer
than 140 of these traders had gone to Portugal—had
there invested their gains, giving up the slave trade in
despair —(Heir, hear) He bad also been told by a
naval officer who arrived from Brazil the other dey, that
one person engaged in the slave trade had lost, from
firer. to Iset, in that trade, 55 vessels by capture, valued
at 2,5001 each; so that the Committee might judge the
loss inflicted by our squadron, when this one trader had
lost in consequence of it vessels of the value of 200,0001.
—(Hear, hear.) Another proof that the Brezilians had
given up the practice of slavery was to be found in the
facet of a capital of 1,200,0001., which had been engaged
in the slave-trade operations, having been invested in a
batik in Lisbon. A most fortunate change.--(Meer.)
In a debate recently in the Brazilian Parliament, he
f mod the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Senhor Olinda,
expressing in the strongest terms his censure of the
slave trade, condemning it, and declaring it bad been so
condemned' by the voice of all nations. Others, too,
dwelt upon the pernicious and demoralising effects which
the slave trade had produced in their own countries.—
(Hear, hear.) And, indeed, they had received a pretty
good lesasonoenn
importedthesuh from Africa,jectintheterr andibl thatepestilebnacde
carried away so many persons of influence as well as
such numbers of the populace. In fact the results
were far greater than ner Majesty's Government could
have hoped to have found them It was hoped they
would be permanent, provided there was the same pro-
visions and watchfulness kept up for a time. In Africa
the natives were finding the advantage of being engaged
in a legitimate trade ; they found it more profitable
than a slave trade, whilst in Brazil it was begun to be
seen that slave labour was more costly, more expensive,
and more dangerous than free labour. The Government
discovered this, in the explesion of a powder magazine,
which had been worked by slaves—they found it, too,
iu their arsenals and other places where slaves were
employed, and where a coneiderahle cost was occasioned
by having persons to oversee slaves, and to use the whip
in keeping them to their work. The change of opinion
in Brazil was mist encouraging and gratifying, and he
believed he might cengretulate the House upon the suc-
cess of their long-continued eff irts to pat down the slave
trade.
Sir J. PAKINGTON heard with satisfaction tha
statement of the Noble Lord; but he doubted that they
would succeed in suppressing the slave trade, when they
encouraged it by taking the produce of slave labour.—
(Cheers.) He wished to know from the Noble Lord
when the documents referred to in the geeen's Speech
would be laid on the table, anti also whether there had
not been en increase of the slave trade in Cuba?
Lord PAL VIERS TON replied—The papers were in
preparation, and would be laid on the table in a few
days. As to Cuba. they had the promi eof the Spanish
Government to discountenance the import of slaves.
After a tow words from Mr. VENISON,
Mr. HUME considered that the change on which the
Noble Lord congratulated himself might have been at-
(tifled long since if the Nettle Lord bad withdrawn the
fleet, and induced the Brazilian and Spanish Govern-
ments to fulfil their engagemeats—to.act in the manner
in which they aopeared to have Nita doing of late.
Mr. M. FOU.STER censidered the Noble Lord and
the G•ivernment fstal, d to great credit for haviete per-
severed in their pelicy. notwitbsteneing the opposition
that had been made,
to it by a considerable party in that
1:14.u50.
Sir T. ACLAND alto joined in the congratulations
of the House upon the success of the policy of the Noble
Lord.
Sir E N BUXTON also congratulated the Noble
Lord on the sect: as of his efforts in the suppression of
the slave trade. It was said this would bay been done
without the fleet on the coast of Africa. That was a
mistaken opinion. The change in Brazil was produced
by its having been seen last year that this was made a
Government (petition, and that the best exertions would
be made to put an end to this horrible treffic.—(Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL would hardly have thought it
necessary to say a eord on the present occasion, had it
not been nectssary to prevent the House from being led
away by what had fallen from tho Hon. Member for
Montrose. The Hon. Member advised the House to
consent to withdraw the African squadron—which, if
done. the Hon. Member considered the slave trade would
now cease. He must beg the House to believe if this
advice were taken that the result would not be as sup
posed, but that we should again behold all the horrors
of the slave trade fully revived.—(Hear.) He was cot
giving his own opinion only, but he was also giving that
of the gallant admiral who had just returned from the
coast of Africa, and who said if we continued the Afri-
can squadron for af w years more we should find that
we were able greatly to ditaish the expense of that squa-
dron,
tatvpnitdgbteuohotin,thicertaiely, that it would not be sa'e to reduce
squadron altogether. He trusted that the House,
b
induceitlerut hitherto
thet
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ottorhted,l,io tahi
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sins slave
that
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were.
Mr. GOULD thought that Southampton would be a tart-sly been made ufferded the greatest encouragement
shSouirmGn.oPt EsuCcelleeEdLiLn
convincing
more suitable lime than Depiferd for the embarkation for persevering in our efferts.
of emir rants. The 60. at Deptford was a must in-
nfeoipnignion that, if the African
convenient one. ,qtiadron was not kept up in an efficient manner, we
to the power to take slave
The vo e was then agreed to.
slave-vessels wfreemwt 60 0001. for the r xpease, Sec ,of caetured negroes. urendheire
thea -
nest in our attempt to suppress the slave trade. It was
Mr. HU 11E thought this vote ought not to be agreed owing
to until the Committee were informed whether the forts that we had breught the slave trade to its present
total annihilation
African rquadren wise still to be bonti""efl• He wished mitigeted form. If an efficient force were kept up he
in a great degree, the
also te hear sense atstement as to what had been done was satisfied we should Bolin see the
the lest year. of the slave trade. Ile thanked the Noble Lord for
with re'etence to the id tee trade during
Vivcetoo ERS ION said the Committee would the support he had given to this question.
ree"llt et that in the disrussion en the enbjeet last year Lord H. VANE avributed,
trssuranee, were given that rue:Mire:4 Wolll+l be tatters to suppres ion of the slave trade to the co-operation of the
all to the r ftlee icy of the force which had for some leraz le rather than to the effsws of the squadron. If
time been employed. Ili conic q.ience of that greater we cultivated a good understeneing with the Brazils we
stringency hod been exetetst d, both on the coast of should be able to attain our object much earlier than by
Africa and on the coast of Brazil, which, he Was glad to I the adoption of the proposition for constructing new

TUESDAY'

Mr. URQUidART moved that the chairman report
progress, as it was understood no money was to be v.ited
after twelve o'clock, and this motion was a sort of retalia-
tion for what Government had done the other night.
Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the Hon. Member would
allow the votes to proceed.
Mr. URQUEIART said there was a matter of great
importance involved in the vote the Ilona,. were about to
enter upon; and exhausted as the House was by pre-
vious
discussion, he should press his motion for the
chairman to report progress.
Colonel SIB mom, thought the vote important, and
that the motion ought to be acceded to.
Alter a few w irds from Mr. C. LEWIS in explanation,
Mr. BR() f H ERION explained the motive fur moving
the adjournment the other night, which he declared was
done wi,hout any concert with Government.
Mr. HU I,IE thought the Hon. Member's motion for
reporting progress was reasonable.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped
the estimates would have been finn.hed by Friday night,
but it the Howe progressed at the present rate he was
afraid the estimates would not be closed before next
week, instead of the present week. He had hoped the
House would have been able to adjourn the first or
secend week in August; but he feared if the estimates
were so protracted is would postpone the adjournment of
the Howe to the middle or the end of August.
Mr. WILLIAMS said it had ben the practice of the
House for bears not to vote money after twelve o'clock,
and he considered the practice ought nut to be departed
front.

Atter a few words from Colonel SIBTHORP,
Lord J. RUS,ELL said he shoal,' have no objection
to agree to the rule of not voting money after twelve
o'clock at night; but it must be recollected that when
the estimates came on it frequently happened that three
or four hours were devoted to discussion."
The Committee then divided, when there appeared--
F ,r reporting progress ... 26
Against it ... ... 107
Majority 81
Mr. RU til E moved that the Chairman report progress.
Lord J. RUSSELL said it would be impossible
to proceed if the Honourable Member persisted with
his motion.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
it would be impossible to say when the ses,ion would
terminate if so much time was occupied with motions
preliminary to going into Committee of Supply.
Mr. REYNOLDS denied that he had been a party to
wasting the time of the House.
Af.er some discussion,
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained
leave to sit again.
The report of the Ccmmittee of Supply was then
brought up and agreed to.
On the motion fat the second reading of the Convey-
ance of Mails by Railways Bill,
Mr. REYNOLDS said there was a long list of op-
posed Irish Bills on the paper, and ho therefore moved
the adj-urnment of the Rouse.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had no intention of press-
ing on any oppo,ed I, ish
The motion for the adjournment was then withdrawn
and the second reading of the Bill postponed.
All the Irish Bills were then postponed. with the ex-
ception cf the Constabularary Force (Ireland) Bill,
which was read a second time.
The Merchant Seamen's Fund Bill passed through
Committee, end the money clause was added.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE obtained leave to bring in a
Bill to continue certain temporary provisions relating to
the collection of grand jury cess in Ireland; and also to
provide for the due annexation of an isolated district,
formerly of the county of Dublin, top barony of the
county of Wicklow, for the purposes of grand jury ces;,,
an i other purpos a.
Mr. BAINES obtained leave to bring in a Bill to con-
tinuo the Act for charging the maintensnce of certain
poor persons in uniocs in England and Wales upon the
common fund; and to make certain amendments in the
laws for the relief of the poor.
The other business was then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at a Qtarter post One o'clock.

Mr. Scul4 p%i,eo tur, ,Aith Mr. Bouverie azgin't,
Mr. Reynoldtt'it motion on the grant to the Dublin
hospitais.
S'uart Knox was accidentally shut out from
voting in favour of the annual grant to the Dublin hoz-
pittk6.

ROYAL AGRICULTURAL SOCIETY.
The annual uneetilig of this important soc sty takes
place this week in the Horne•park of Windsor. Hall
surrounded by ancestral trees, and leoked down upon
by the north terrece of the Royal Castle, the encamp-
ment of agriculture presents an unusually striking sod
picturesque eppearance. Close at hand is the stetien of
the South-Western Railway, afferditig every facility for
the arrival and departure at visitors. Never before hat
the society had a sire better adapted for its purposes, and
never More has it presented itself before the public
uniter a more favouranle and encouraging aspect. By
arrangements early adopted in connexion with the great
Exhibition, the show-yard is relieved of the implement
department, the contents of which occupy a conspicuous
place in the Crystal Palace. Yet it appears little, if at
all, curtailed of its usual proportions, and the space
which has hitherto been devoted to agricultural machines
is now filled with a magnificent display of live stock.
Instead of ploughs, scarifiera, portable steamenginee
and such like, we have an enlarged exhibition of breeds
in all the divisions, and a greatly increased entry of stock
for a enpetition. The society have extended the number
of their classes, and have, with becoming spirit, and in
harmony with the year 1851, given a wider scope sod
character to their show. The number of beasts exhf"
bited is 1,267, an altogether unprecedented amount, the
entries last year being only about 700. Then as Im-
proved arrangement of the Classes has been adopted,
which gives more distinctness and value to the whole
diTtay. Formerly, in cattle, for instance, it was cus-
tomary to distribute the animals into four divisions,--
one for short-horns, a second for Herefords, a third fur
Devons, and a fourth for mixed breeds. Under this
latter head came a confused gathering of every kind or
bsast rejected trim the three favourite descriptions, and
thus attention was diverted from those peculiar excel-
lences which several kinds of stock possess, and which
entitle them to the regard and consideration of the ngri
culturist. Now trtie i. changed, and there is no longer
a miscellaneous grouping recognised. Instead thereof,
wt have the lone-horns, the Sussex, the Channel Islands
breed, the horned and polled Scotch,
the Welch and
Irish, all properly classified. Foreigners who visit the
show tinily collect there with perfect ease a correct
idea of the various kinds of cattle with which the
United Kingdom is supplied. They may estimate feirly
,
their various qualities, and the manner in which they
are adapted to fulfil their different uses in otir agricul-
tural system. For the first time since as annual shows
began the society presents the public with on epitome of
British stock. Until this eventtul year, they appeared
reluctant to pass beyond the Tweed for illustrations of
Scotch breeds, though these were often the favourites of
the eastern counties' graziers, and in the same way the
peculiar advantages of the Channel Islands' cows fur
d.iry purposes was almost entirely ignored. Now we
have all sorts represented in the Home Park of Windsor,
and it is to he hoped that our agriculturists will profit
by an occasion which brings prominently before their
notice descrip ions of stock Cho merits of which they
may have previously overlooked or undervalued. Nature,
vela n in her bounty she supplied our favoured country
with a variety of breeds adapted to its climate and soil,
did so for De/reticent and useful ends L is, therefore,
our duty to further and fulfil her intentions, by en-
couraging in each class, without favour or preference,
those excelleecee of shape or size upon which their
merits rasp, etively depend.
Thus in the completeness and in the extent of the
show made by it, that R•tyal Agricultural Society pre-
sents itself this year to the public under the most ta-
vourable and hopeful aspect. From its organization
poßics are rigidly excluded, and in the conduct of its
business no member, however it fluential, can enter upon
that debateable tetritory without being immediately
snubbed for his audacity. Yet to those who stand
without its pale observation and comment are open, and
it certainly is a most remarkable circumstance that while
the tended interest are represented as suffering from an
unexampled and hopeless depression, the Royal Agri-
cultural Society should come forward so buoyant, so
full of inc, eased strength rand of future promise. The
force of events is always superior to the influences of
party, and while Protection bemoans the uselessness of
improvements which can never be remunerative, the
Royal. Agricultural Society day by day becomes a more
powerful machine for securing to the people the bles-
sings of untaxed food. It revives by its action that
confidence in the land which perverse lamentations over
the repeal of the corn-laws tend to destroy. By its
journal it is constantly supplying fresh streams of
scientific and practical knowledge to the farmer,
and by its annual shows it stimulates to increased excel-
lence and increased production—our only true protec-
tion against competition, whether it comes from home
or from abroad. - As an example of what British agri-
culture is cepable, and as illustrating the import area
wnten is attached to superior breeds of stock, we may
mention a fact which came within our cognizance yes-
terday when visiting toe show-yard. Mr. Jonas Webb,
who, it vtill he seeu from the hat appended, is a winner
of seven prizes for his Southdown sheep, has, at his
usual ennuii letting this year, received as hire for the
use of a ram, which, though exhibited at Exeter, was
cot successful there, the sum of 99 guineas. Our great
breeders now have their flocks eavarly sought alter by
foreign purchasers. So much is this the case, that at
an agricultural show recently held in France all the best
animals exhibited had been imported from England, and
at the present tneetitig an extensive commission has been
given by Prince Deunduif, the owner of the malachite
ornaments in the Crystal Palace, to have a good breed-
ing stock bought f it eim, which he intend, sending out
to Russia. Such is the estimation in which our breeds
of live stock are bald by the foreignt rs, whose competi-
tion 59 alarms the taint-hearted Bria.sh fanuer.