The Sun.
London, England, 1834-02-21 00:00:00

the lay irnpropriators, and the titheholders!
to , the Com-
missioners would
havetake an account of the total
444 t
'mount due to each party, and issue an order for pay-
(o on the Commissioners of Woods and Forests
rtttduetthinus forefull amount, subject only to such reasonable
costs and' expenses of collection to be deter-
Mined and hereafter described. Of course these sums
were to be a ;A
,r 4.1 to each party as long as the redemption
,onsisted money, but whenever it was invested in
Did' it
would be made over to them. In these
andto':fo comprehensive statements he had endeavoured
tenti veY to the House the idea of the plan it was the in.d
irituea_afinseOtf his Majesty's Government to bring forward
first
wall to convert tithes into land.x
was quite aware that the subject of a general land tax
they Popular on twoground ; some approved of it because
were en er•
--w""o submit to the destruction of tithe
retill'rtY, and others because they thought it would be a
illrenient mode of including all the charges upon land in
Ittaiand. It was the bounden duty of Parliament to
heel'ismeans for realising. property in the hands of
.the
moree -le"; and if it should be attempted to be done in, a
adg,eneral way than by a land tax on the plan
ehl-a"Larriaed, • - perhaps, be found that they
°a drivenittowntruan'sfer considerable burdens from
no:ewho were now by law liable, to others who
h:at so liable, and such a proposition could
ll
It entertained on the fair principles of justicei
tinaielf! be inquired why five years should be chosen as the
leanellecting this redemption, rather than four or six
tha; but there is some reason for making this choice,
the-'i the trillion, or about 800 0001., which wasalmoati‘the ,
torsos) amount of composition—such a periodtient, _
.thne hest to discharge this. It must. be
sumsd
telo'r by the transfer of lands, or of the
:•citl to some other species of property. The periodad-
taeLlt_ten years seems not applicable to the case, nor
traijr°us to Ireland. The Bishops' lands may. be made
fahlle to the purpose at a trifling cost, by beina t
het ",to the purchasers at an equally favo.urabltel
altatth;
tams) tuere is sufficient reason for considering
Itisiatiney he applied otherwise with more advantage..
ton's) rto suppose that the four-fifths. of land in the
kaiai May be held still in the same position, and the re-
fill, rig Efth appropriated to the object proposed by the
h 4 er thus the most equitable adjustment take place by
tffeet• aneernent.—(Hear, hear.) Wlen this mode of
Ile fl 4 a transfer should be duly considered, it would
*llo4,,i'd to possess the weight of testimony from
many
Ile pr:are reflected upon and approved of it.—(Hear.
lersti;lMfred to ascertain, by a commission, composed of
'Pith 'ullY competent, the number of years compared
he ed`''e fee simple of the land in which the tithes mightr
lit4t6tltned in the different districts of Ireland.—(H ea •
the Having thus ascertained the number of years,
her f put
would be governed
,by the rate of the hittiona:-
tri4-,Yheara applicable to tithe. As an instance to
the
in Position, there were some counties in which
nd
hi the:" worth twenty-five years' purchase, e
hrth " the tithes would be estimated at twenty. years'.c.
thtl 4,7—e-(-fear ) There were other counties in whi la
th 45.44" Was estimated at not more than 18 years' pure
thtol 44.4`i in these the tithe was not estimated at more
rose'., Years' purchase. In the majority of the
441 I,,,e't according to the evidence in 1813, the
th"as worth 20 years' purchase, and the value
Itte e tithe was worth only 16 years' purchase.enti
hot 14, necessary to read through the whole statem
eft;"e three instances which he had mentioned would be
he ae'dendt to illustrate the manner in which the measure
i
thatath""erileed was intended to operate. Having state(
Which e°6ject of Government was to frame a measurehe
Would W"ul4 admit of the redemption of land
.tax,
the
fur
state what were the advantages which
terit) eld forth to the landowners. He would beg those
zrrPreLnim° who were landowners in Ireland and their
sntatives to do him the favour to suspend their
*hie ail" for the present, for he could assure them,
-Lecirllidered that lie was fully borne out by
44thlit"lent, that the measure, though it would
P,ettyegiti.trended with the serious diminution of the pro•
'"table the Church, yet it would be attended with consi-
Plaet, e advantages to the owners of land. In the first
tterta'd he hoped that the owners of land generally
the
dnot consider it any mean advantage, that
tad ad
°d of this 'measure would put an
t°
he combinations and confederations which
sale n'ted in this description of property, to the innuener-
drieetvi,!l which followd in its train, and which had
had Ina the country all capital and industr
which
which
leitverewaZ the value of their estates, and had
oo mean
de credit of the country generally. These were
With at• vantftges, but the measure would he attended
he bad ra"e positive advantages. In the first place
hak_ 'tilted that it was Proposed to give to such land-
au ab aa were de,it, .
atenamtof ous of redeeming their tithes, not only
power te re,Overoto,s,-fiftli of the composition, but also the
••••(111urtnurs, andue,:eirsoleof, amount againsti
rth,,e)ir tenants. Surely
nothing could he
more Order, order.") e .
Was subject to the mgr" Just than t is. The land
the Property of the payment of tithes. It would become
woalti be fairly an
i:tnheers'
Particula • who, having purchased it,
whole amount. If in any
`arty r instance the landlord chose to make his tenant
to the benefit, be was Perfectly at liberty to do so.
Meat. bear s
Worth t' L had already stated th it on land
dtette, wenty years' purchase the tithes might be re-
came for the amount of sixteen years' pur-
Poßiti' He considered that this amount of
He 1'1)
e 4 would be favourable to the
landowners.
char cl Stated another proposition, viz., that those
iettrge Should be redeemable by any one who bad an
ground in the estate. He went upon the same
iro;" as a late Act of Parliament had laid down, that
0141(1 who had a lower interest in the land than 21 years,
sent ,b 5 Precluded from taking advantage of the pre-
late! Ceaanle• It was as was now the case with the
'Poe tTat' that after five years that part of the charge,
re tic! t land should be put an end to. The law always
grethe
ed
the property as belonging to that party who. hadt
Prote7tr.e,teat interest in the land, therefore the present
Pei 'vas only carrying into effect the same
that e 00 had already been done by a late Act of
inede °l'ile• He had stated that the payments should be
al trfii
the tithe owners, subject only to those tad
"ee'llat'i.ggecharges attendant upon their collection—to
Propose they were clearly liable, and. thereforeo
'`rict that they should be deducted. . In
Plan —l,""ces therefore, it was impossible that one uniform
Pat.°P 'd"°ulil govern the whole of Ireland. He
,then
,"'itaisa4: to a einr the same sort of Com-
eeettdri as were at present employed, in order
Nhtli-ter of reportandere upon the proper reductions that
dig-t°ticht.e rnadeu upon the tithes in each parish
reshould the
reduction
nliPoexweeeveedr,an paimopoonsnetd
of tilioat
per Mce nut!
tere'eg"t,hare oectar:l to tire observation of some gen-
ad ta'''tta;at a difficulty would arise from this arrangement
fo4r-,ri Such a case the clergyman would have only
was very 'OOl., the money being considered. in stock.
a4Pet e„,-` eonsidered probable that any long period would
''ttte 'thout havin a satisfactory investment fur the
ci4e ..!--s(Rear agr, hear.) From records that bad
the threneti'yealrl!sitipoessies'ositoenl,a
elapsed
appeared that during
1 prior to the year 1830,
I„Ovadnu„' of the llatd
id
iPff Ireland was not less than
saeir aterliarng,s earl% for the purpose of redeeming
4tilw4YetilOt't.tses an abundant supply of land would be
-kti 51: in the market. Honourable Gentlemen,
/t4illel°°-ing into this Bill, would find that ex-
t Was PrOViSiOnS had been made for this putyose:
tit,t.°Poled, also, that the value of. all trees felledof
hat t kleneYa Which should be placed in the hands
'l'll.oltiNh:" of. property under certain circumstances,
en ere applicable for the purposes of that Act.
i able r a variety of minor details, which would
I'ha°. adequate supply of land to be found I
1,110 CanY rartah in Ireland for the purposes of that Act.
H
i "4 inrn
ittee Would bear in mind that certain parties
,that ti4rust advantage of a Bill lately passed through
th
't
sting 1 for the payment of the composition due,
the Per cent. Of course, the payment of
led •v would be considered a land tax and none of
reeloliltu:locould sustain any loss. The Committee
~i'eseion
ertsam the Ac.t which was passed during the
Wa'sl'4ut.se ta'ae'int,eirnt pdroviskions Were made for such persons
g them also liable, but that
tse 'rwardo alteredemabymthe House of Lords, and this
eatZtitl'aeatleceldi.e6di_to. that afteratio.n. They still, however,
e in the first instance, inasmuch as it
that Dtton
()I,l°Posed to make composition of ever
u themr land tax, and the Governmentri taking
tualeuraing toelves, there could be sk whatever in
also whiea ", clergymen from the peculiar liabilities
be ti that the 1"y were placed. It was the intention
(Mr.ri., 414: amount advanced to the clergy should
the Li made tlEpou
the funds to be collected. He
one t_eatiet 4r'exv that one of the objections by which
he moot
he 7,hettle would be met would be
that :I°,au,g)ht little) sometimes heard, but on which
orreliance could be placed—
Mun„ • 'at e no
Mete beartinfaori°L
nropositition was undue and unfair Propertyre-
oof this description. The Hon.
ittioTlausitiort 4,`lastated on a previous occasion that
tea that
(Ale, tt!". the effect of raising the tithes,
Ire lies it 'isle litttlet") at that time incautiou,ly
st ad mit-t
air,
aeo
re true in one-third of the
parishes . but
, un
Ile ho• rreet if halned that he should have been
11
'eVtd that dd stated one-firth of that one-thirt .
vet d"
few cases indeed existed in which