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London, England, 1851-03-15 00:00:00

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a west ornate bad been unduly influenced on the subject by
:Flog of machinery-by violent letters-.(Laughter)-as
wail by violent speeches; and he could not close his eyes
Sth the effect of the Noble Lord's (J. Russell) letter of the
November.
Lord J. RUSSELL-The 4th.
et. REYNOLDS said that brought it closer to the anni-
earY of the Gunpowder plot.-(Hear.) It was a well-
modu production as far as Guy Fawkes was concerned
shter)-and it had its ;exult.-(Hear.) Tne Bishop of
ttivus,ol3, also, had written a most offensive letter as regarded
opreelt.holics of thie country, in the preceding October,
lest.) There
at the same time moderation to his hearers. —•••
I, lest%) There was, however, another letter, written in No-
ue!' also which recently came to light the letter of the
Right lion. Baronet the Member for Ripon, which would
down to posterity
.side by side with that of
Noble Lord, and make the public exclaim,
20Ir on this picture and on this." There
Ras._ also the speech of the same statesman to
intrast.with that of the Noble Lard, and the world would
'l2la'a between them. But it was gratifying to find thie Bill
I'B bad, a ens as ever was protested for non-payment - had
th?? it
by the Right Hon Baronet, as well as by
am
iirpisrinced statesman the Ea-1 of Aberdeen, and found
Afe unneceesary. The public of
Churchthis country were told thattihurch was in danger, but theses incere Protestants n-
y Zeived them. He would refer to the whole matter in clis-
se,;;;;*t an I ask what it was? The Noble Lord had said it
1 an insult, but to make it an insult the man ought to have
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pos'ended something pe'sonal. Could any man suppo-e the
a's'Pe intended to insult the Queen? The Noble Lori could
thinkthat, nor could any reasonable mao. An iesult
; leperffnnal aff_ir, which subjected the insulter to pr•
ebaStisement. Formerly insults were qu ely se tied
s-neenix-Park, but ties insuP was to be settled by the re-
-Ipl of the Emancipation Act. lie hal ripe it ten years f his
reithotit intermissi 'n in assisting a great Ir shman to
.:orY the question of emancipation And when e was strug-
il7g for emancipation, it was sugoeste as condition that
leeisehnovereign should have a veto in the nominati n of th it
~2Pa. This condition was rejected with scorn, and he
; 1;7 n Catholics had tow .it many years before theygot the
•-1,1;°11,. • Had emancivation been offered on the disgraceful
Z degrading conditi ins conteine 1 in the Noble Lora's Bill it
6.7111(1 have been univers ally rejected. And yet, be cause Roman
olic religious professors desired t- c irry out their religion
;wording to their settlel forms, they were called insol nt
ttinsesors. It was said that the nomination of Roman Ca-
-1)1411c bishops was an invasion of the Queen's prerogative.
-toere the y children to argue in that way ? He contended
..11t the nomination of bishops by the Pope did not invade
Prerogative, and did not confer any territorial power.
liouall the Queen made a bishop it was the barony that con-
'red the territorial power. Had the Pope's bull conferred
.`l4 ke
re of territory on Cardinal Wiseman? It had not
' rson him turf enough to "sod a lark.";-(Laughter.) That
4111 required explanation. It meant he had not land
ht"' to cover al lark's remains.- (Laughter.) It gave
"' no ecclesiastical dues. if the bull had run thus-but he
:vaned if there was any bull at all-" I appoint A. B. to
4ercise spiritual jurisdiction over the Roman Catholics of
iddlesex," there would be no objection to that - neither
Ssomelt there to be any objection to the bull as it was worded,
itonly contemplated spiritual objects. The Roman Ca-
bishops had presented an address to her Majesty, but
h only signed their names without their titles, and so they
i
violated no law. It was, however, said that 'what hadr
e: done by the Pope and the bishops was an " nso-
L aggression." If the whole English vocabulary were
aided you could not find stronger terms of 'insult
ews the Roman Catholic religion, the Roman
eokholic bishops, and the 10,000,000 of Roman Catho-
t,l, than were to be found in the replies of tho Pro-
Zst bishops and clergy to the addresses on the
,
eject of Papal' aggression. He would read a few extracts
• ."40 the replies of the Anglican bishops to illustrate his
snout. , ' b 011 t. The Bishop of London, in his reply, says
4°,Pory offends and disgusts the understanding. It makes
glity to worship the creature with the worship due only
Its
Creator." In another place be speaks of " the auda-
, o
sv of the pretensions of the Church of Rome-the base in-
, e
'ktitude of the Church of Rome." (Here he would ask, in
tataranthesis, of what bad the Church of Rome to be grate-
, ;gate Was it for taking away all her temporalities in the
of Henry VIII., which now amounted to 10,400,000/. ?)
alOo submit to Rome was to peril our salvation. The Ro-
, 1811 schism had an unchanging character of evil." This
the reply of the Bishop of Bath and Wells. From
or Arc /shop of York he found that Rome was always
theb captivity of the world, and to bring all nations
').l7atlitstatfrir:gfinohreign bondage. From the Bishop of Gloucester-
% st4P4 assumption was all but blasphemous, and that Popery
eill'lsart unholy thing. The Bishop of Oxford said that the
10.04rnh of Rome roars when necessary, but uses the meekest
th': mildest blandishments when it suits her purpose ;
sit? Popery was a subtile, determined, and unclean
' 111, 3'; that England was defiled by her pollutions. The
lsr°P of Chichester said the Church of Rome was into-
, ei,414. and she assumed a baseless and unscriptural authoe
oxlt that they were vain assumptions. The Bishop of
td, 'in another place, called Rome corrupt, and spoke of
aI, curse of Popery." The Bishop of Rochester, that
40'7 poisoned the minds of the people by its false doc-
es.'"e'is The Biship of London spoke of the power of dark-
Thell-4- Bishop of Hereford spoke of the great apostacy of
gone,
Then with regard to the discipline of the Church of
to.ule, he would ask the House to hear the fathers of the Pro-
;tont Church. The Bishop of London spoke of its " errors
''ud superstitioas dogmas, alike opposed to Scripture and
elmnson sense - superstitions long ago doubted
Tn. founded on legends displaying the grossestgnorance."
Landon e
were a few of the elegant extracts. The Bishop of
k:ndon spoke of the " slough of Romish corruptions-of the
,/,`,?58 and intolerable corruptions-of the Romish Church."
tone Bishop of Oxford spoke with " horror of the doctrines of
11'1, a "-he bad queried that.- (Laughter., The Bishop of
Bath and Wells spoke of pestilent errors of Rome. The
4411°P of Ripon, that Popery contained the •'elusions of
ioeatners. The Bishop of Oxford, the dee corruptions f
me. The Bishop of Manch ster (we unders ood) spoke of
thesa slough of Romish doctrines, and Papal superstition and
Metre. The Bishop of Gloucester spoke of the rev Wog
Zstem of auricular confession, and the monstro' s supersti-
' on of transubstantiation. The Bishop of Oxford described
the,e Church of Rome as corrupt in doctrine anl idolatrous
Practice. Then the establishmen' of a Catholic
hierarchy was scolded in a similar manner. One bishop
etlled it " a darts); aggression "-that was the Bishop
°I Sal sbury-" an indecent aggression," Oxford
Presumptuous aggression," - York -" unparalleled and most
;110ostrous aggression," London. He had 50 other extracts
sr°4l answers to addresses, but he had produced enough,
-.4 would not trouble the House further with them. Be
tltd them merely to ask the House at which aide was the
balance of scolding.-(Hear.) If they went to Billingsgate
or
to Pill-lane, in Dublin, no language of tishwomen there
to
ti'd equal the language used by the heads of the Church
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their fellow-Christians. The language here stated
,used by ministers of the Gospel. who were told by their
*Own "to return good for evil,"-to "do good to those
° hated and to pray for:those who persecuted" and calum-
kutted them. Had they acted up to their creed? They had
0;t'-they had poured this abuse on men who did not wish
tillnltend to do them a particle of harm.-( Hear.) The whole
k:stion in dispute was this-that Cardinal Wiseman had
tifillY said he would
.govern a county. This was not m-
el smug territorial jurisdiction. Cardinal Wiseman had
denied it-the Noble Lord (Lord &untie) had denied it-he
4.(1d it; and yet there were rogues who circulated the
bou.er, and fools who believed it.-(Hear, hear.) It had
hot he
that the Noble Lord's Bill had been emasculated ;
Ills one found that one of the clauses went even beyond
0„-,_42th clause of the Emancipation Act. Further, he
4t.'ended that there was no necessity for extending the
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able
Ireland. He should be sorry that any Member should
orVe to accuse him of using insulting or threatening ex-
&ed Itt_nas, but as a Roman Catholic and an Irishman he de-
I the House and the Government to carry out the Bill in
lath uld. They might carry it ont in En gland ; but the
ea won ld make common cause with the English Roman
MA °lies, because they were weak, and because both were
acked. Attack one part of the Roman Catholic body and
attacked the whole body. It was said at first that Ire-
°dss was to be omitted. Had it been so he should have
eo
e,,--rbged the Government with cowardice and bullying. But
"ornent had attacked both English and Irish Roman
sCatholics, and they would sink or swim together. (Hear,
r.) He had great confidence in the Right Hon. Member
Ripon, and in the Duke of Wellington, neither of whom
Isai,d suffer the great compact of 1829 to be violated. He
nll4BO confidence in Lord Stanley, since he had said that
stru,ousiness of the country ought not to be allowed to stand
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leak, o account of this question. Up till November last no
8t
no Lord's name was more unpopular than that of Lord
osoatileY-his name and illiberality were considered as syno-
gootis terms. But since then Lord Stanley and the Noble
eoPposite (Lord J.Russell) had changed I,laces.-(Hear.)
to regretted this, for he had for twenty years considered
Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) as the head of the
eoliteral party, and looking at the Noble Lord as an enlight-
ik7and a talented Whig he had enlisted under his banners
first, but now he had changed his position.-(Laughter.)
.70; it was the Noble Lord who had changed his position.
il° Noble Lord was now at the head of the bigots. There
;Is not a vulgar, uneducated bigot in England that did not
4,' rejoice in the Noble Lard. He was preferring a bill of
ltdicttnent against the Noble Lord. The Noble Lord had
.4ce said he would attack the temporalities of the Irish Es-
Lablished Church-but where was the Noble Lord's spore-
tation clause? Whilst the Noble Lord sat on that bench the
man Catholics and Liberals thought they had a guarantee
that their liberties were not to be infringed. They thought
Ins Noble Lord would have returned to his liberality, and
have said that the Roman Catholics ought not to be called
itSn to contribute to a small Protestant Church. But the
tlbli Lord came down and told them he would manacle
• their bishops and fetter their religious freedom. This, then,
was their reward for their patience and loyalty. The Noble
Lord said they must submit to the affront in his Bill. He
"°old tell him " We won't." It was said the Pope had
I,either spiritual or temporal power in these realms. The
OPe had no temporal power, and ought not to have any,
e,,,_"t he had spiritual power. He wished it to be under-
et that his vote the other evening in support of Mr.
th4raeli's motion was to be construed, not as a vote on
° merits of the question-(Laughter) - it was a vote of
ey4.llt of confidence in the Minister. He was prepared to re-
iolllmnany such votes.-(Hear.) If he did not tote accotd-
hAto conviction he dared not show his face in Ireland. He
e,e-'0 read that former Parliaments had withheld supplies be-
-116 ,8,5 they would not entrust the money with the then
kii-
faCrY. As long as the Algerine and insulting measure
pl(kinet the Roman Catholics was on the table he was
such to vote against the Ministry who could make such an
Llo lent and unpardonable assault on the religion of his fel-
ii notrymen. He could promise the Ministers this-un-
I'llaTeY retraced their steps adopted civil and religious
os'or,'3'. and governed, not merely garrisoned, Ireland, they
• tsanti neither have Roman Catholic votes nor Liberal Pro-
esiv‘allt ootes.-(Hear.) It had been asserted he did not
le 410 vote according to the merits of the question (Mr.
....71;aeli's motion): he saw no merits at all in the question.
Aerao
tighter.) ) He had only voted to show he had no eon-
eesoo in the. Ministry. He had learned this recently, that
147 Move in politics was only a move for office. tie be-
. la -,.ed the Protectionists were anxious to get Into office.
Party occupied a small position-the position of thus-
bwr strangers in that House; but by keeping together and
eso`ug their time they had it in their power to say which
should occupy the Treasury benches.-(Hear.) He
Irk'. therefore make an offer. Ho was in the market.
was totn bought on these terms. He would push one
eltrtY off that Witch, and place another on that beach,
13,
ItireY would consent Orst to abandon the Ministerial
atu.l an_tireiy, and then to bring in a Bill to prevent the
(tc.._mg Irish millions from dy ng in the workhouses.-at
• e could only support them on the cOladitio
h_bad _
ey put a stop to the system under which 270 paupers
-"II(' in Clare in Al-20 week-that they introduced mea-
Zs to relieve the only intergot now left in Ireland, the
so"cultural interest, which now suffered irom their one-sided
Val u
tu,r ;i on-that they should legislate for /-1144;14 Of m-
hill. a' Portion of the empire ; and for the purpose Of pushup
tar'el?ot the object of their ofession, but what God and nat.
of thin tended her, for, the right arm, epd pot the drag-chOn,
nee, great and mighty empire.-A Hear.) No man Wgi
anxious than he to draw close the bonds of connexion
melsween the two countries, no hod ecoosionally preached on
aezn_oct,her side of the Channel, not religinns, bi..t political
the aim of which had always.D.ogl3 tO gags OOP!
noo,closer the bonds of the two countries, no throe Ireland
-"gnt emulate the industry of Lngland, might profit by her