The Sun.
London, England, 1833-05-27 00:00:00

seditious—dangerous—embarrassing to the Go-
vernment—revolutionary—have issueiLwithin a
few years from the O'Connell workshop. Among
the people he has found willing hearers—they
had nothing to lose—something they mililit gain.
They had no hold of the country—their native
country they had no visible interest but in the
chances consequent upon confusion. A well-
digested system of poor laws would terminate
this precarious, this uneasy, and painful state of
the national existence. The people would cry
" Let us not forfeit ourinheritance—let.us up-
hold the laws and property which yield us
bread." It is not strange, therefore, that the
man who has succeeded so powerfully, and pro-
fited so immensely, by addressing hiniseif to the
desperation of the multitude, should he 511,,-
pected of a repugnance to drop from his hand
the lever whereby he had never yet failed to
move them. Some pamphlets have been sub-
mitted to us on this question of poor laws,
which we shall touch upon as opportunity may
serve.—Times.
The town of Manchester has followed the
example set by Birmingham some time ago,
and fairly determined no longer to pay church
rates. We have copied from the Manchester
Times of Saturday last, a report of the pro-
ceedings at the meeting on Monday, at which it
was proposed to pay no rates. A poll to,.k
place, which was continued till Saturday evening,
when a majority of six appeared against the
rates. The Manchester 7imes says, that but
for the application of the principles of Sturges
Bourne's Bid, the imijotil against the rues
would have been very great. The great factory
owner has six votes, while the small rate-payer
has only one. '1 he individuals who voted, up
to Friday night, were—

fi,•airist the 11.te 1.496
Fur the Rae
AlajHrity -552
The feeling which led to this result in NI in-
chester, is, we believe, very general in the
towns of this country ; and we have no doubt
that the example will be imitated in more
places than one. There is no impost in
this country more generally odious than that
which is levied for the support of the
churches of the establishment, and after the
abolition of vestry cess in Ireland, it was not to
he expected that in places where there are many
Dissenters, they would willingly pay church
rates. The Dissenters in England are quite as
averse to paying money towards the support of
the E tablished Church as the Catholics are.
The following passage, from the Manchester
Times, will show the sort of feeling that pre-
vails on the subject :

" Churchmen, who have any decency. will nor vo e
that the public shall support their establishment, when
every other denomination Impports its own. Dissenters
will fie' it their duty to declare, by their votes.
that they will no longer voluntarily support a church
to which they are con,cieotiously opposed. Reformers
will nit lose the opportunity of testifying against the
mischievous union of church arid state, and again.t that
syst,m which taxes a tlintr•and poor men in sixpence a
piece to furnish one entertainment of wine and rakes hi
my Lord the Bishop, and the rich el rgy of his diocese.
But let no into rely on what his neighbour may do, but
instantly, when the poll opens to-day, record his vote ;
for the contest may be so c use, th .t a sinyle vote may
t•irn the srnle—and wI en he has voted, let him go and
bring oil his f lends to vote. Be it remembered, that
every man in the thirty town-hips of the parish of Min
cheater, who pays po r rates, no matter how little, has a
vote. Let no one he prevented from voting, became lie
cannot readily obtain a colieeor's note, for it lie has ac
Nally paid tin rate, it a ill he illegal to refuse his vote.
The pole closes to-say. One enirgetic struggle, and
church rates ate ahoii.hed for ever."

The hostility to church rates first became
decided when the people were teazed to sup.
port the new churches. We foresaw that these
churches, so far from benefitina the establish-
ment, would be of incalculable injury to it. Men
'nay continue to pay a burden to which they
have been used, however mucf! it may be disliked ;
but t hey seldom dt3play the same patience when the
burden is an innovation. The newchurches may
be said to have led to the refusal to pay church
rates. And we are touch mistaken if it he not
found necessary ere long to provide a substitute
for this impost. In Scotland, before the Re-
formation, the principle that regulates the build-
ing and repairir,g of churches seems to hive
been the same as in E:igland, but the principle
which was adopted soon after the Reformation
put an end to the disputes which are now agi-
tating England. "It is now perfectly settled in
practice (says Mr. Dunlop, a late writer on
Scotch parochial law), that the whole expense is
to be borne by the parish (formerly the chancel
was kept in repair by the parson) ; that it is to
be paid, not by the parishioners at large, but
only by the heritors, or proprietors of heritable
property, and that, not according to their sub-
stance generally, but in proportion to the value
of their landed property." In parishes, partly
town and partly country, the expense is appor
tioned over the whole lands and houses in pro-
portion to the real rent. The maintenance of
the clergy and building and repairing of churches
are, in 6cotland, made a burden on property,
which prevents the collision between the church
and the population that prevails in England and
Ireland.—Morning Chronicle.
In the struggle in the French Chamber, re-
lative to die guarantee of the Greek Loan, the
Opposition had the best of • the argument,
although the Monsters heat them in the logic of
numbers. The small majo&y, however, not-
h,tanding the unceasing exercise of Court in-
fluence, leaves the Doctrinnaires nothing to be
proud of in the way of triumph. If the Chamber
were upon the principle which it ought to he, to
represent really the public opinion of France, the
Doctrinnaires would not be able to retain power
for a snide wet k. Their tri,ky, dishonest, anti
disgraceful policy would perish in die breath of
public indignation the moment the fiction of a
representative system became a reality. We
always were of opinion, and we have more than
once expressed it, that die appointment of Prince
Ohio to the throne of Greece was the result of
Russian influence, as the only means of repair-
ing the loss which the Cabinet of St. Petersburg!'
sustained by the act of tyrannicide which cut
short the career of die Russian ininion—the
President Capo d'lstrias. We deprecated the
policy of our Government in varanteeing one-
third of the loan of 2 400,00 a, to prop up a
throne for a satrap of Ru-s:a. The ablest and
most enlightened men in the French Chamber
log k at the question in the same 'tilt that we
did. They see that the Northern Autocrat finds
the Sovereign and the fOrm of government for
the Greeks, and England and France are
allowed the privilege of tiding the larger por-
tion of the money, for to guarantee its pay-
ment, under the circumstances in which Greece
is Placed, comes to the same thing. It Greece
has been torn from the dominions of one bar-
barous despot to he added to those of ano her,
neither civilization,
siti)o,riettaiirri;aLtirtyi,,, uwu
interests, 111°1arveougra
ined
any ;Meg by the change. If the Engl sat and
French Goveinmetus had not, either in igno-
lance or de:ign, 11110 the hands