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[trent; they were to control the as of the
lature, and set the Parliament. at defiance, Par.
liarnent had a right to expea that Mioisier,;-
would suit the expenditure 'of the Civil List to
the income, and that the exponces should not
amount to more than 000,000 t a year--; at 'least that
they would not continue to add expence Upon ex_
pence to the Civil List ;' if such permanent expendi-
turemust be increased, Jet them come to Parliament
and state it. Upon looking into 'the Accounts, he
found, under the heads of occasional' payMents; sums
of•money charged for. Ethbaisies to Russia, Ber-
lin, and to Copenhagen, where, not 'content with
employing the. regular Ambassadors in those Coon-
tries, extraordinary AmbaSSadori were sent thither,
and the expences of those double Embassies we're
how charged as a part or the-debt of the Civil List,
whilst the necessity of the occasional Embassies
did not very evidently appear. Another •Subjed
was the Office of Third Secretary of .State. Our
Colonies in Americ; were at the cominencement of
the present Reign included in the puthern Depart-
inent; over whichethe late Earl of Chatham pre-
sided, the seven Years war, which was concluded
at least as ably as the late war. Afterwards-it was
thought necessary to appoint a Secretary if State for
;the-Colonies; and several Noblemen and Gentlemen
filled"that Office successively. In the year 1782
:this Office was abolished,-being thought unnecessary,
and so remained till the year' 17'oe when 'it' was
again revived. in the War Departinent, by the Right
Bon.,Gentleman opposite to him (Mr. PITT).—
This Office was rendered the more unnecessary, as
. the affairs of India were taken from the' Secretaries
of State, and placed under the management of the
Board of COntroul. Thus were the expences of the
Civil List increased. This expenditure the House
was now 'tailed- upon to-pay : he supposed -.they
would pay it,
.but Ministers aaed in this case like
a man borrowing money whO'shOUld incur the ex-
pence, and leave his friend to ay it, without mak-
ing to him any previous communication: so in this
ease His M:ljesty's Ministers- incurred the' expellee,
and then relied -upon Parliament- to discharge it ;
they created.: on Office, and then called upon Par-
liament to pay for it, and this Jong after the erec-
tion of the Office. The' Civil List had, at the same
rime, been continuallyefavonred ; when the two S-
ecretaries of State (Lord GRENV ILLS and Mr-. DUN--
ohs), refused to receive the two SalarieS 'annexed to
the Offices of each, those appertaining to them as
Secretaries 'of State being paid out of the Cisil List,
Anil -the Salaries of their-other Offices out of a Public
Fund, 'the bur then was thrown upon' the Public, and
not on the Civil List, which was relieved from the
payment of the Salaries.' The Civil Listniight, per-
haps, he burtherred. with -payments which. did not
properly belong' to it, .but he still objet ed to
!misters making-the Expenditure exceed the Income,
and then coming to Parliament to make it, good. It
might appear harsh to oppose the present Motion, but
he felt himself called upon by public duty. to oppose
it, and he was of opinion that an Address should be
presented to His Majesty, praying dint he would be
graci6iily pleased tai Make such reforms a`§'would
enable him to discharge' the 'debts which had been
incurred.by. thecirit' List,: in- consequence of the
condua of Ministers, and to make the expenditure
adeqUate to' the income. He could not help saying
a few words relative to the Prirsec -of Waled.--
'Would any one contend, that his Expenditure was not
equally liable to increase with the Civil List ? His
Expenditure was limited to 60,0001. a year, which
-His. Royal Highness had been. unwisely induced' to
make a declaration that it was sufficient. If this
declaration was held to bind His' Royal Highness,
how much stronger was a declaration froM the
Throne,- that .00;0001: a year was sufficient ?----
When; in the year -1,79, a part of the sum- of
zo,oool. granted to the Prince was appropriated
to the payment of his debts, why should- idifferent
rule be applied to thiS case, and that of 'the Civil
List, and why should-not a portion of the revenues of
the Civil List be appropriated to the payment of its
debts ?. If the House, however, did not feel itself
strong enough to do this, let them pay the trade-
'inem's bills', but not the whole debt ; the patronage
and influence of the Crown were great, and it could
well spare a few Officers of the Household. There
was one article in theaccount which' was peculiarly
'grating to his' ears; Which was Law Experia&e for
prOseCuting many individuals •whoM the Verdid of,
a Jury had acquitted, and which, he contended, was
a complete proof of their innocence. Many Of these
indiVichials' had been ruined', arid their families re-
duced to beggary, and another -penny was now to
be squeezed' from them to pay the expences of -their
proSecutions. With resped to the question itself;
he felt 'as much for the'spiendour and' glory Of the
.Monarchy Man' in that HOuse,-butz-he had a
paramount duty to execute; and to- the didates of
that paramount duty he must attend.
The' CHANCELLOR of the' EXCHEQUER, in
exptiination, 'said, that he did not intend to- under-
value theburderrupOn the Civil -List of George the
Second. With respede to the hereditary revenues
of the King, the Hon. Gentleman would' he said
find 'that 'Certain dutiei were settled Upon His 'Ma_
jesty'by an Ad of Parliament on his "IteCeSSlon to
the Throoe. The, Hon,_Gentleman would also find,
that great doubts Were entertained of the suffi-
ciency of the sum of 800,0001.. granted' to His
present 'Majesty -; 'that d"strotig representation was
made to the Duke of Newcastle upon the subjed,
and that it was foretold that difficulties would arise
in consequence of the insufliCieney of-the Stun.
DebtS Of tfie Civil List had been brought .before the
-House after:Mr.. Burke!S Bill, who must -have been
.fully convinced that his Bill would not prevent
those debts from accruing.
IMr.-PITT said;.' That' after the very able and dis-
ittaaer ire which his Right Hon.' 'Friend had
introduced this- subjed -to the Committee, it would
only be necessary for him to trespass for a very
shOri-tinie'apon their attention.- not his in-
tention to-pursue the Hon. Gentle Man who had just
sat down,, through the -variety of subjeds which he
had thought proper to introduce into his Speech,
still less was it his intention to'dwell upon that part -
of the' sulijed which-'tire' 'llbn; Gentleman had
reserved for tire conclusion, viz, the'Law ChargeS.
,Upon this .subject the. Hon, Gentleman had made a
most s lernn appeal to the House, and ih order to
give it greater is eig , had res rved that burst
-and
-tirade copiliOiedi he suaostd,' in his