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HOUSE OF COMMONS•

TUEsI,AY, APRIL 30.
Sir
.lonsr,ANneß so w brought up the' Thames Tunnel
Bili.—:Read a first tinp..z, and ordered to be read a tecond time
,
to- morrow.

MIDDLESEX ELECTION.
Mr, LIENRY fom pursuant to his notice yes-
lestlay,'rose to move for the discharge of the Order for taking
into ‘onbideration the Petition complaining of 04 Want of
go:oil:it:Lai= of Mr. MAINWARINC, on Thursday the ad of
May. Tiler.; wets two ways of getting rid of _the PetitiOn,
either by withdrawing it, or by disehargiug the Order. As
those who presented the Petition had neglede4 to withdraw
it,, end as the time fixed fin taking it- into consideration was
so near, he thought it his duty tosubmit the Motion ofwhich
hehad given notice ; and particularly, as Sir Fit ANCIS Butt.
DEA'r and his friend's would not be precluded front being
:heard touching the charge contained in the Petition before the
Coitimittee to whom the Petition and the merits of the Elec-
tion hid been referred. It would be contrary to the spirit of
the AO that the same matter should be tried before two dif-
ferent Committees.
Mr. Catty Er and Mr. P MAP. Moot?. 'claimed, on the
part of the Petitioners, the right of being heard as to the
matter of complaint in casethe final decision of the Cons.
rriittee on.the merits should he in favour of the Candidate
complained against ; hut after a few ObAerVatiOn6 Iron's Mr.
TaoaNTON and from the Sas krAt, in explanation of the
StittiatiOn in which the House was, with regard to 3 'proceed-
ing which, as the party complaitol of was not.a Member of
the Homo, could not possibly have any fruit, the Order
`was d ischa pal.
Mr, Lt obtained leave to :bring in a Bill for the better
provision of a Sopply,of Water ,for the" Cities and Towns of
The 14CILCI'A It Y at WAR presented the E-itimates of the
ExPenees of, the Volunteer force in Great Britain and Ire-
land for the present year; and gav,i not ic,! t hat he should move
them in the Committee of Su on Friday next.
ST. PANCRAS PARISH IIILL.

Sir 'fur or it !Les MrrcAr.rs moved the second reading
.of the Sr. Pancras Parish Bill, which was opposed by Messrs.
C A Lett A F T atid Mori R e. ; and'On a division tsking place the
Motion wa..; car fica in' the .allirtnative. 'rho Bill, we un-
fivrstood 'to have bred then-read a second tutu::, and ordered
to he corrimitted,
When strangers Werit re-admitted to the Gallery, we found
the Llouse ocCupied in the firSt reading of a Bill introduced
by Mr. VOsT I st.'for preventing tire Counterfeiting of Bank
Silver Tokens in Ireland, The itill.was ordered to be read a
;ecotid time to-morrow.
STIPBNDIARY CURATES'. RESIDENCE BILL.'
The ATIORNEY GENER4L, pursuant to no.
Tice, rose for the purpose of 'moving for leave to
bring in a Bill for Encouraging the' Residence of
Stipendiary Curates on'their Cures.. The Bill was
the same as one which had already received the'
eanftion Of the House, though from its having hest,
, when it passed helm, a clause in it for making
provisions for such Curates as should be deprived
of their Curacies.by the effea of the Reams' Resi.
(knee Bill, ithad been considered in the other House
s a Money 'Bill, sod on that ground rtieeled.
His Learned Friend (Sit WILLIAM SCOTT) 'who had
introduced that ,13d1, had since brOught forvi,ard
another wit hunt the except ionable Clauses, but

ha.t been prevented, by his prtifessionai duties,: from
attending to its provee4. The same cause still
prevented hiM .from bringing forwaid thermeasure,
and in consequence the duty had devolved On him.
its object was not to alter the laws as they stand
at present with reaped to Livings under 4001. per
annum, the Bishops having power to entOrce a
. residence.; but tv hen, the Living exceeded that sum,
he thought there could he no objettinn to a anise
for obiiging'the Rettor to provide a rrsiklent Cler.
r ynian, with a satoy Of 2001. a year. lie there_
tore Moved for leave to tying in a Bill to Encou-
rage the Residence of Slipelithaly Curates on their
Cores;

Sir j,rtiN IslewPoitT suggested the propriety, as
boih COuntries were now united, of extending the
provisioos Of the 13A1 to Ireland;
The CHANCELL,vII of the EXCHrQutatt informed
thetion. Baronet, 'that a Learned Member behind
ithn (1)r. PuietENAN) had'a Bill of the' same nature
n cOntemplatinn to bring forward for Ireland.
Dr. Du ICANAK titatea, 'that the Btil was drawn
pp, and had seen recommended .by the Bishops of
Ireland. It would shAlly be intr6(lucta, and the
tioft. airf would.lha ye an opportunity of moving
arty Alientimjits in the Cumtnittre.
After a few words from Mr,. Casitv rr, Mr. PI
Wou,p, the ArrokNry Glit4l4Al., and Sir JOHN
NEWiOitT, fr4itie was given to bring in. the-13111,
VIRST' REPORT OF NAVAL. INQUIRY.
Sir AN nitaw. f-141,40N0, pursuant to noticet

moved, that there be laid before the House a Copy
of the Letter of the Navy En'ard to the 4ithdrniralty,'
dated the sth of April, t tos, together with a
Copy of the Memorial inclosed, 'relating the
Answer of the Navy Board to the First Report of
the CAMnissioners of Naval inquiry.
Sir CHAKIES Pots; did not mean to objed to the
Dllotiona but to say, thrt he hoped; that by the Pa.
per& it would appear I 113 t the Navy BOard 11.1 d re.
tovcredthe monw y said lost in that Re.
port. Two years had already elapsed Since the Re.
iron Vad been untie.
Sir n. 8. HArauNo replied, that no time had bee"
'lost by the Tslayl IVard. They had put the matter
in the bands of the Law Officers of t;,.! CrosVo. The
• rapers were then ordered .; and wert,iinmediatrly after
pmented by Mr. Di cxt N7SON, and ordered to lie
• . on the Table, anil.to tie printed.
The HANCILLI.,,tt of the ExettEtors. gave no•
tice, that he should move the Army Extraordinaries
in the Committee of Supply on Friday-next. •
cptvmrcrtc,oN mATTER,or TENTH REPORT.
The CHANC.:OI.I.Og of the EXCHEQUEK Moved,
that the Report of the Committee on the Ballot
fhould he read.
' On the List being read-7,
Mr. WUJTBA''E.,4I.) said, he conceived that the
List winch had been read would completely justify
the very serious Motion which, pursuant to notice,
it would he 'his duty to make. The names were pre.
Cisely the same as those he had read to the House on
t former day. 'The House had decided, that it was no
Breaeh of Privilege to circulate Lists, and it would
therefore be a Breach of Order io him to dispute that
anthbrity but of the, lads he had no doubt. fie
•
ilefied' any G4natlemin opposite to deny, that the
I.i'st.s had bein cireillatcd ; And whatever the Right

Hari. Gentleman might think,- he was of opinion'
that it wets highly disci editable to .him. ;- The
Right Hao. Gentleman had dared investigatiOn, and
plumedhimself on his integrity through a long po.
litical life ; and yet, when he Was to come to
trial, he nominated his Judges. Without any dis.
respeet fete any individual on the List, he thought
Such a proceeding highly discreditable, Lord Mel-
ville Was withdrawn from the Committee, and the
Right, -ion. Gentleman started up to have his con.
duet investigated. It Right have been the Custom
to give Lists, but it was. a custom better in the
breach, than in the observance of it. He hoped the
House would 'revise its decision. There were,
amongst other objeitionable persons, the names,
of three who had sworn at the Table that their
attendance on a particular Committee would be pro.
duCtive of material inconvenience to the Public Eu.
sham, Lord CASTLE RE/VCR', the ,MASTIR of the
ROLLS, and Sir W. Score. These Members, he
contended, were disqualified on oath from attend.
ing on the Committee. He put' it to the common
sense of the House, whether, under stich circum.
stances, the Committee were not the Right Hon,
Gentleman's nominees—at least. they were of his
recommendation; and was his a proper situation for
the.first Minister of the Country. He objected so
the Noble Lord (CArrne REACH), not from any dig.:
tweet, but in consequence of his political conduit.
He objected to another Noble .Lard (Mono), be.
cause be had a place under Government ; and to ono.
thee Hon. Member on the same ground. (Mr.
Forrest). He objected also to the ATTORNEY.
GE NikALs and would rather see two Country Gen.
tlemen an the Committee than the MASTER of the
ROLLS and Sir WM. Score. The Noble Lord
(Cemetersott) was not only a placeman, but a
perpetual placernan. Whatever tempests agitated
the political world he was immovable. The No.
bie Lard owed muCh to :the patronage of the Right
SonaGentleman, and no doubt entertained a friend.
ship for him ;': and this, though an honourable feel-
ing in private life, disqualified him from being. on
the Committee. The question to be inquired into
respected the misapplication of Public Money to
certain delicate and important transactions. The
Noble Lord might have' had delicate transactions,
and thefait, ;;$ had been stated by his Hon. Friend
last night (Mr. Fox), and in a former Sesaion
charged by an Hun. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Fos.
Ten ),have been a misapplication of the Public Money.
Would the Noble Lord deny the fait ? If he did he
should go to the proof, by moving that Mr. F. be
examined at the Bar. Whatever might he the
merit of the Report of such a Committee, the
Country would not.be satisfied. with it, and on that
ground he brought forward .his extraordinary Mo.
tion. To chew that he, was not situated by party
apieit, he should move, that in place of the mimeo(
the Noble Lord, that'of Mr. BAKER, of Hertford,
should be placed .in the List.
The MASTER of the ROLLS felt himself called
on by some observations ,that had. fallen from the
Hon. Gentleman to eddresso few words to the
House. If it was meant that he should attend every.
day on the Committee, he most undoubtedly could
not, consistently with his public duties. In making
an-affidavit, to exempt him from serving on an Eke.
lion Committee, he could not be uederstood to
swear that there was no day, no moment, in which
he watt disengaged train business. He had consented
tit serve on Committees of another description, on
the Civil List Committee, and on the Committee on
airley of the growth of Scotland, and upon the
evidence taken during his absence, was enabled to
form his opinion. If the same clause were to be
pursued in this case, he might continue in the List,
and could not therefore on that ground be disquali.
fled. The House would give him credit for not par.
ing stated frivolous pretences, and he assured them
that he had never declined one public duty but to
attend to another of more impartanee. His imme.
diate 'Predecessor hail been excused on the same
ground, and yet had served on two Secret Commit.
tees, in 1797 and 1799. He had no ohjeCtion co
submit to the decision of the House. He had no
reason to think that he was objeeled to on other
grounds. He had been many years a Member of
the House,r,and had 'lever taken up a moment of
its time by speaking of himself. He had never
made professions, but regulated his condiait by his
charaiter. He had never set up high politiCal vir.
tue to the disparagement of those about him. He
had no political attachments. He. would not eacri.
fice his auntie, for any political °Wen. In the
whole discussioni that had taken place, he had not
used a single expression which he would not have
used in the cat.e of the most indiffereni persOna,
Ile held it to be a wise principle in every Popular
Assembly to place every euntroul -upon itself, in
order to secure an accurate investigation and cool
deliberation. He had not been adtuated by par.
tiality or by personal feelings, when he declared
that the Sheriffs of Middlesex ought not to be sent
to prison without being heard. He had never the
presumption to impute imprOper motives to any
Gentleman; he was only anxious to take care of his
own corona. He had never lent the sanction of
his -small credit to any, thing in itself unjust, for
present convenience. He had never controverted
any principle of law or of justice. With sueh den.
timente- and principles, he was confident he could
go to-the performance of his duty on the'Committee
fairly and impartially. After a few observations,
tending to prove the, impossibility of chewing any
partiality in the Committee, the Learned Gentle.
Man concluded his speech with apologising to the
thlase for having arespassed on their attention.--e
He had not risen to speak to the immediate ques.
Sion, but to submit a few observations in justifica_
non of the principles on which he bad hitherto coo.
dueled himself:
Mr. WiIITaREAP disclaimed any intention of
having applied any personal 'observations to the
Learned Member;
Lord FITZ ti AR RIS denied that the conduit of
the Treasury in
,isitting a List was more reprehensi.
hie titan that of the Hon. Gentleman opposite, who
brought dove a list to the house.
PDX 'ee'iuld not consider the ails at all
simi-
lar; the influence possessed by the Treasury ten.
derail their recommendation of a List highly im-
proper. If he himself had !wen accused, and his
conduti 11;i4 been referred to a ComMittert he should
have consideicd the man who wished him .to

•C.'Ailiena a Lilt of time whom hel desirous to
I,aYR° I r 164_ juti,ges as offering him an affronr;--
Ti the iti lac Ilonoor,Ahre Gentleman' did not feel
iir ate same way, ht cvuld not WWI juy of his feel:

The CHANCELLOR of the 'EXCHEQUER
olicerved, that the feelings Of men differed a.otceed.
ingly. His did not prompt him, when •he saw a
number of men di' posed to find him guilty before
examination, to take them for his jury to the ex-
clusion of any of.the.Majority of the House or the
Country. He did not entertain, such a chimeriCal
sense of honour as to sacrifice every . principle of
common sense and of the Law of England, to the
purpose of obtaining the approbation of the Gentle-
men opposite.. He exposed the absurdity of corn.
paring Elation Committees with such as the pre.
sent; and contended, that they were charaderistically
opposite. Did the Honourable Gentleman opposite
mean to say, • that because certain persons were pre-
vented by their avocations from devoting _ weeks
and months to Eledion. Committees, they were,
therefore, to be excluded from any other ? If so,
then on any important question of Finance, of Poll_
tics, or of Law, the Country would be deprived of
the labours of those very men who were most Ale,
to aford advice. •• As to. what had beet, said of
_po..
pular opinion, the Hon. Gentleman bestowed that
name on what was no more than a party cry,
Mr. Fox explained.
Mr. SHERIDAN asked, if: the ResOlutions.of
the City of London were a pa;ty cry ?'lt the um.
nimcios voice of the Country svasa party cry ? Or
if the glorious, Vote of that HoUse was a parry cry?
He asserted, that any person holding an Office under
the Crown was unfit to be a juror in the present
case, much more an individual, who, after going
out of Office with the Right Hon., Gentleman, re-
turned to, and remained in another Administration,
for the purpose, no doubt, of opening a bye-path
to allow of the re.admitsion Of his Right Honoura.
ble Friend. Mr. St-11moms alluded to the At of
Parliament some years ago introduced by Lord
MeLviLLI, precluding all persons in official
tiona from sitting on the Examination of Indi-an, de.
linquericies, and contended, that- the principle re.
cognized in that Mt applied most strongly to the
present case. lithe Right Hon. Gentleman was not
on his trial before the Committee, who was? Lord.
Melville and Mr. Trotter had been removed from
their cognizance, and the three points referred to '
their consideration, namely, the knowledge of the
drawing our the Publics Money from the, Bank, in
an illegal manner, by Mr. Trotter ; the diverting
the Public Money, appropriated by the Legislature
to Naval Services, to other purposes ;and the qu;etsii
granted to Lord Melville on account of Mr. Jellico,
all referred, to the Right Hon. Gentleman. The
conduit of the' Right Hon. Gentleman. in the &rat
instance, in demanding a, ttial, was highly to be
applauded, but that applause must cease when he was
• found so anxious to draw up the indidment, and to
nominate the Jury : such proceedings as the pre.
tent would throw a slur on the Committee, which
would therefore never answer the Public expedation.
Mr. H. LascaLt.es called on the Hon. Gentle.
man to state any objections (from his public or pri.
vate character) to 'his being on the Committee.
Mr. WHITBRRAD said, so far from hirvin4 any
objection to the Hon; Gentleman, he had applied to
him to be *Bowe& to, put his nameon the List which,
he offered to the House.
Mr. Fut.t.Est made a few observations, in tvhich
introducing some unseat, on the condodlof the
MASTER of the ROLLS,' he was interrupted by the
Salami, who observed, that the Learned Gentle.
man was not in the Hoyle.
Mr. CANNING defended the conduct of his
Learned Friend from the attack of theJlon.. Gen.
denials who had just sat down, and passed'a high
eulogium on his merits and .tharseter. He then
went at considerable length into the question before
the House,' and contended that no attempt had been
made by Administration to pack a Committee. It'
had been suggested by some c.,entlerrien that the
Committee should be formed by allowing each side
Of the Home alternately to name a Member. Let
the List brought down by the lion. Gentleman op.
Ignite, and the„List said to be recommended by Go.
eminent, be compared,• and it would then be seen'
in which the principle of equalization had been,
most clnsely adhered to.
Mr. Futa,ta explained.
Mi. JEKYLL repeated the arguments used by Mr.'
WHITBREAD, Mr. SHERIDAN, &e. The qoestion
was, whether the Noble Lord should or Should not
remain on the List of the Committee ; but it *was
singular that not a syllable had been urged by either
of the Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite, to prove
that he ought to remain there.
Igr.,WINDIIAM would °foil few observations
on this Motion, which would apply in a great mea-
sure to a similar one which he intended to make for
himself. The Official connexion he had had with
the Noble Lord who Was the subjed• of the Tenth
Report, and the s vial intercourse which resulted
from that connexion, the consequent knowledge of
the Many ,arniable and engaging qualities of the Nu.
ble Lord, and the value he had, for them, all ope.
rated to disqualify him- ftom perforusiog properly.
the duties of. a Member of this Committee, and
rendered the undertaking a task extremely dia.
agreeable to him. Impartial justice, candour, .and
truth, were necessary in a Member of such a Coin.
mitres, hut active zeal was still more necessary in
an inquiry which was to be on an accusing princi.
pie, and that ;alive zeal could Snot be expeded in a
friend of the object of the Inquiry and the Accusa-
tion. He denied that he had been guilty of any
Condud inconsistent with his former support of the
appointMent of a Committee by Ballot, and the
distribtition of . Lists, though he would now; say,'
that in the present instance' When. Inquiry was
braved, it was not right in those who braved it to
nominate the Inquirers. Those who were conned.
E ed in friendship must be stern moralists indeed if
they -eriuld adively seek out fads which it would
,give them pain to discover,. . His connexion was
aiNer with the Right Hon. Gentleman Opposite
than with Lord Melville, though he .hall differed
• from him in the early part of his life, and probably
• would during the whole; and even when they were
in office touthers his agteernent with him was qua-
lilted with exception,. He agreed, that opirobo#
0f;. of doors was not to be a rule of conduit in the

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House; but though on matters on which the .;• -
critclritteyaocutdlster-npeenotp,le bad not the means of forming a
correct - judgment 'little regard
.aifudit‘iviaids 7th„e, capablemcnn. of forming 4
W3l to be hod to its opinion, yet, on other cases,
and this was one of them, where the opinion Unwed
direaly and simply from faets, anti where that opi.
nion was the question to be inquired into, it wai
proper to have a just respett for the reasonable mill.
cion that existed in,the Public Mind, It was
far
this reason that he wished the House-to stand clear
of any imputation in the construCtion of the CO;
mittue. - Like the wife of Criar, it Should not only
be pure, but onsuspeeted. lie concluded .withre'
pealing a hope, that he would nut he obliged' to sit
-on the Committee, on which, even insensiblYsi th
conceived his 'private wishes would intgfere insensibly,; h
his Public Duty.
Lord C. fiSTL EREAG II said, he had sworn off
from the EleCtion Commi t tees, because t bey tequireds
constant and uniform, attendance. On any oilier
Committee he could give a sufficient attendance t°
facilitate the objeEt, and to make himself folly ac-
quainted with' particulars. He cons;
the
.111
lusions to the transaftions on his public life fair...-4.
He professed the most decided attachment 10 his
Right lion. Friend,. which commenced, from h
is
ehai;liegartepeaterrioidn'ionf
tlillaisnptooliirmicvael
hazarded
rdeNd othing gars
ship by, accepting an office' on principleCsh,idiliieernsd't
from those his Right Hon. Friend maintsincd';
When the proper time should come (the C411'"4
Question), he hoped to be able to place his
ir Oldl
%
on satisfaCtory grounds. If lie were appucjj'j
the Committee, he was sure his friendship "um
not interfere with the duties imposed on him' 0
to the charge with respett to the Union, hefted'
sure his Right Hon.. Friend (Mr. kor t tR) ,
whom- he hod:differed big' on that one occasi'n'
and then with pain, did not entertain Obit cc,";
vidtion which had been stated of gross caircPtitan
in that transaaion, .or. he would have institateu
Inquiry upon it. The House would never taltebutr.
4
opinions thrown outwithout, grounds, 030,reiY,,e,
cause they had not bien thought -worthy. Or °°"
hi
The Noble Lord commented with -severity, In t
conduct of the Mod; Gentlemen oppnaite, Wh° it
proved the conduct of Parliament` Only. svh,e"dis
agreed with them, and who vilified it When 't 30,
°°s agree with them.' - He' exalted the ch'll,3
ter of hit Right' Hon. Friend, by comparilan, If•lng
that of the Right Hon. Gentleman oPposite, ail; '
the tranetions of the last ten years, end lie ila,v la
ttiheininganisn
wahleicahllwiaconeet Isaotelcyogniapirme:elytl the tionu.:—.,
as that the Nation could entttist its itnlterlariaili°ll;
with safety. . -
so
owilefilroet
Mr. G -REY was sure if this comparirn was i:it,
stituted his Hon, Friend would not fligh
absentedn
tihheeimrselves
His Hon. Friend as well as. himself, had, it w.,,s'
longcri pit
f power,mLfit uhdrili:eir
evicalh:l°u n'blueefeyncefiahatulteuheicsephfkete:Crirdlisieuhot )luen%)'vnyßattosorif.tycghatabhehneiter 1 ill restraint,
nu:rG Holier,
nldli
eut
nil'
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ur
II
ije
:Ici'Plie.
attendancettM could ht'
1 °CY
too
ship and official situation wniaetHtliVieetldeitenlillitiobeY7lPrbhr°:tf:l44l::tineiclof:C.Gi:lnetell:
don= whose cenduet was to be
am Viren inavo'ivri
scause the Noble Lord may hself be /hop of
from that official situation ; and because a c
on him
'corrupt conduct in a foiMer instenalay IV
without being letraaed or done awaY• /4
ilif •"°ll'
The ATTORIVEY.GENERO, %Oen Ited
bGentlemantheir
t retreat spoke
fr°oftnleaPvairll'iga inGenvrt,rnanit ea" I tlin'ieebies'lC' Al'lll,
the situation, of the Country, was must Cr' hey tisa
dangerous, wished it to be reeollaleil OW t ouch
stated their reason in a publication tint Non,) Gen.
tt ot e
ttnhaen credit
opi ,
iot fe. t
(lime_ Lir . au,
wrei.ti
D, :41',11, em
IR. i! h I 1
rruitelis:
k ~,nternie° At
lOW ir)
conduCt, but ought to have ,rustle
for to
1°
ease. He, on the contrary, thouOt :.teis DI
Pl'l4l° opinion was riot td be rustle
have no influence on an inquiry into ''''' 'oda
Right Hon. Gentleman said, the Committee be on
he' sbouid not id,
an accusing Committee, but it f all diet
accusing Committee to the exclusion u
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lion to inquire into the me Ans of arquirt
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A geneo ,
ht his
necessary that the seal of the Cotifiu' 40 00
seek every thing, and attend etpiallY I,(' "and he +l°
for'culmination, and what for acquittoL and it"
sure the Hun. Gentlemen opPwitv wsT), researcb
eluded in the. Committee wool,' l'""ne i ,Al ali t/let
(Actirninatory matter with ali on,thateo ~.ileit, rt.
had hitherto pursued the critnination. '
their prie
ritionsoisihtohpuidCobTinuivtteere.,rueiveedn,
w_llououlti),bies,roi4, e,eutiontalli
check, as they could Ar f aign the-KW' ilea, to 0
their propositions and the :woo of t
ItAg'
judgment of the House. i, v Gtsg
Mr. WINDHAM arid the filrOitta •
explained, . ,owea ''''Y
Mr. ROBERT THO R :VT(O di'"' if 0 (P.
tvr
hi
eshmoordeintention to screen delinquancY dye° w
some of the objeaions thathad been erg
some oppoi"
isted soy where. But he rote ooiY
11:1,,e3d ,igiii,''!ts,
*ed. It was insinuated, that the Rig
r_ proclL ,
in which the Committee hfulll:tcoori,a•berlej-
tleMan (Mr. PITT) had, in 0 frOnne.' jeOth
the appointment of the Committee. lay to ea,
w 010 it ni•
round a list of names of which he otialy
~,
slat. He was bold to Sal that it w‘s inight 9"
.his
for any one' individual, ‘vichaolievjfe tiltilosfe:
. his situation, to appoint te who _od
,be s
one -Members :no such lathing c."nd,;, •Tbsli,
without consulting 'with WA it"; by 0')ICII,t
list might have been sent witim trot 11. op
merit, he would not dispute ; out may
~,,e0 of hang
have olsti been sent about by the •ailli,v cutlud,,,i;
vernment ? Even any ten Menthes' .'r list A"g
j
together, might 'succeed in getg sa11:11(, hut sholbs
ed ; and what would then be the reloobir, tiot,
chosen. Was there a magic,i°
small' minority might diaate the I.'.t_ jinni viwits
' lan
ever quarter it might come, that . the el
went
the eyes of Gentlemen. and .force
..,d pen,
at
choice contrary to their woo° anti j Baerl' so
tho.:4; ,0 fret 0
He for one had got a list ; hot blind „9 he 011
modelled or influenced by that list.; P t he
g,cot
, . he diffett° ,00 i
opportunity of examining chic iliac."
grr.ll „Id,'
in, he might report with Iraq) chtit.,. oio 0' , 9,.,i;
of opinions seemed to pravall.toPc" '7 !hi 041
He MIL,
the Members to, be seleaed. . ,

who communicated the list,now- hefore the Roust to .1
the Hon. Gentleman who aude the Motion ; he did
ask That 'Gentleman if he was influenced in his
• 'choke merely by seeing the list, and reading over
the ntmei. Indeed, when he observed the warmth
and _something like party-zeal with which the pre.
sent question hid been agitated, he rejoiced in the
vote he had given on a former night, for taking the
business our of the House, and referring it to ano.
diet tribunal.
Mr. MARTIN (of. GAway) supported the Mo.
this, and asked, would it not be more honourable
for the Noble Vicount to be • acquitted by his ac.
cum than by hi, frientls,as much as it would be more
to thehoty,tir of an individual to be acquitted by a
Jury, the foremm of which was known to be his
Pettunal enemy ? lie would objed to no man
merely because he was a public fiintlionary ; but he
would examine whether in ofrhe he were not cot. •
ruPl) and-Whether out of office he was not venal.—
Some reference had been made to the condo& of the
NAle Lord in the business of the Union., He had.
voted for that measure ; but since 'became over, to
tHe his Country he had often reason to repent his vote.
would shortly state the ground of that vote.-
- "
p", arose, a general cry of 'rQriestiao ! fuertion•!
C;haii.!"
was"( ,which increased much.; when it
Iperved by
•
The Spenttra, who thought that; the argument,
Into whitivthe Hon. Gentleman was entering did not
lnyfellit) bear upon the que4tion before the House.
4r. MARTIN bowed to the authority of tke
Chair, and the House immediately proceeded to'di.
j:lii!"-"t the question 86—Against it 219—Ma.'
c,rity 133.
tilr‘Thl'e the Opposition Members were in the lobby,
I,ir;i'li!]ttnAi reminded them that he would cer.
vote of ncrifig forward his Motion to.morrow,,for a
; 'thanks to the Commissioners of Naval In.
quirt', u
could not well imagine, nor did. he un.
141eislando that the Minister would direeily oppose
trni, 1" an Amendment of some' kind might he in.
ii;turd• whicfi would lead to division. He had
Ilei::te, to request the favour' of their attendance.
to while' Strangers were excluded, we were given
taundelltand that Mr, Wristnu m moved, that his,
1 ”
~se'
tite TiAlflit be. expunged. flom the Committee
jc.
~ oti
80_IVIon
anpther division took place.
,207.—Majority 127.
kijourned at HALF PAST TWELVE o'Clock.
THE SUN.

IsoLim Qu la DICERE FALSUM AUDEAT ?
.. • ,
I, N N,
winutspAy) MAY I, I SO5

Wt are at length enabled to lay before our Readers
authentic information respeCting the French Fleet
which ,
escaped from
Zef9*te at Toulon. It consisted, as ve
ate
d, of i I Sail of the Line, 74Prig'nes'.
i htit IGib '
and twn Corvettes ; they passed the Stre-g--- 0- • 7
taltat on the 01.111 r, and immediately bore up for
VC/41141'z',1)..er°te wl'icit Sir JoHN ditott was cruizing.
JoHN first received intelligence of their
',. . 4PRoach,his S
"411 quadron was busy in overhauling their
.: 11, ana had their top-tnasts struck, and their
lards down to
th have it all Clew set ; but such was
„,.
',w3patch used to put the Squidron in. a state to
.
ineet the b.:nriny, that in four hours it was in pert-ea
111 i
444". .Tha French ;Admiral did not, ' however,
.nk it advisable to attack Sir joil bit notwithstund"
Ong his great superio
Stiti- rity of force, for the British
..-a
—eh only consisted of six Sail of the Line and
in
.3voPtigates, and had also the disativaptage.of he.
g Numbered with 'rransports. ,The French Fleet
'toed dittOly into Cadiz; where it remained when
the 1,, ~, ".
;• -:. 15P4tehes were sent'efr. It will be seen by
nr
PlYmoutli Letter, that the Sirius Frigate, Capt.
• lito'Nsit, which had arrived at that Port horn Sir
Navin °Kbn, brougNt intelligence of Lord N c ',sox
via Passed the Streißhts in pursuit of the French
...met. and , .
iz.—
i ,„ ' of his having arrived before Cad
-1
.ftlth
', "Rh we have no authority .to Confirm this
4ePott ' '
' Yet We think it very probable; there
el" be !bit 1
e "uht but Lord Na Lsos . was
lt,'",tY sunn one
of the sailing of the French
lieu and we have 'very strong reason to. be.
lieve ,i
;',,i ,tiat they had' not above two. or three
,4Y$ start of hitn. If it be true that Lord NE LIO N
'Arrive i 1 ,
/),6 ''' "etoreCadiz, anti that the blockade of that.
11 1143 b,, . .
,Iri , sen teneweti by the united British Squa-
iitZi6thelilnelnY will be placed in a most distressing
1 "1 for the scarcitof •• Ds particolarly
y provrslo • ,
•)reall 1 . ' '
ms'lleeri very ?,...e,tt ac Cadiz, and the arrival
ib 1. ,
fI. i 4r6e a 'Fleet, with a numerous body of Troops
-.40,,,i .
rnity...") will of course greatly it.crcase the calit.

—.............. „ 4 vetY wartn Dehme last night took place in
tnt 1
,' .
Mr.
~, Qutt of Commons, on the Motion of
'1
I'l/411/An
,for expurlling the rfarneS
Ott '1,./. ,
t) --111011 of the S-led committee on the Tenth
of some of
~ti),:,rt ' .
Nii -' Ile obiteted to Lord CATIIt I( 2MI I!' the
Avr p. p ,)f the Rotts, and
l'he fir , -
i i '
, _r,..r. ,Its
Sir WI 4t, lAns Seo.rr.
;,., ' ' IrCeo hi 3 Offici;tl Situatioo, ant
:„ "'yr' frie'l'lihip for the 'Minister ; and t 4 "thcrs '.l
'‘'''''unt thkir public duties, which would. tender
Itiol)ok'i
1.1,., ' ' )1e l'lr thttn to attc.nd
, oliikiir the COMM' t teCt """"
In, :' ‘ 4'11) howeVer, were over-ruled by,a large
"I"riY. Mr. NVi Non 4;4 afterwiml3 inured
'")
I-Xi'llnty4. h.
el,,,ti '''' "11 41"111 narft from the Committee ; bwt his
p,,,,,t,;'44,4loegatived. .rh, ,••,)intnit tee its n.ow C_OFTI-
- 6 we before ttitted, of nine Allemh"' Wh°

~o

voteA'agaimst Lord
,MELVILLR, 117:it Wio voted rCr
and three who aid not vote at all.

As a Morning .Paper' has thought proper to make
some comments upon our •article which refilled the
•
fallacious reports of Ministerial resignations, we
think it necessary to say, we never affirmed thit no
difference of opinion had occurred. We well knew,
indeed, that, a difference of opinion did arise bet ween
Mr. PITT and Lard SI DMOIJTH, ,respeding the
Person nominated for the Office of First Lord of the
Admiralty, Mr. PITT having 'recommended Sir
CHAR LES MI DDL ETON, -and Lord SIDMOUTkI,
Lord BUCKI NGHAMsIi IRE. Matters, however,
were soon adjusted, upon an explanation between
the Parties ; and upon this slight and momentary
difference the inventive powers ,of Fa Lion soon
raised a multiplicity of idle rumours.

AT a Meeting yesterday of the Common Council
of the City of London it was resolved, by large
majority, to present 3 Petition to Pailiament against
the Petition presented on behalf, of the Roman'Ca•
tholics of Ireland. The example thus set by the
City of London, will, we -have -no doubt, be fol.
lowed by the rest of the Kingdom. The discussion
of, the Catholic Question, under the present dr.
cumstances, cannot tend to any good, but may be
produlive of the 'most serious consequences.
On the 26t11 ult. the Corporation of Dublin, an
the Motion of Mr. Gy r F %It o, entered into the fol.
lowing Resolution, with 'only three dissentient
voices :

" Resolved, That we have seen with astonishment and
sorrow, a Copy of the Petition lately presented to Parlia-
ment, in the name of the, Roman Catholics of „Ireland, and
contamingdemands of x Political nature, which, it )telded,
must he ruinous to our luppy Constitution in Church and
State."

A Letter from New York, dated the 25th March,
stater, that advice had ()ten received that the French
Force, after leaving Domiricas had prcceeded to
Antigua.

Yesterdri morning,-about nine o'clock, the Roy A L
FAmrLy left %Vindair. HER MA j ESTY Ana the
PRI mccssEs 'arrived at the Queenib-hcuse at twelve.
The KING went by Richmond, where Hts MA.
jrstr Charged horses, and proceeded to 11,4ckheath,
and dined. with the l'alNcE:s of WALE:, from
which place Fits [VIA,Tr,Ty. arrived at the Q•44).•en's
house' about five

PRINCESS AUGUSTA tetntins at 'Windsor, on ac.
count of the ill Stale of her health.
As the Cities i.f,l.,‘ndon and Dublin me.►n to Pc
titian Parliament avinst the e;airns of the Irish
Catholics, Nj'hsr3.Fox and GRATTAN are not likely
to succeed in any attempts to rein-ve all the remain.
lug restraintiupon the Raman CotholtcA in general,
and which our ancestors thought essential to the
security of our ennstitution in Church Anti State.

A Morning Paper of 14.4 week contained a long
and most invidious attack upon L rd BAREIAm, late
Sir CHARLBS MIDDrirTON, founded chiefly upon
the advanced age' of that most respettahle Noble-
man, which. the Paper alloded to reprcsmted as an
enure dusqUalification for the Office of First Lord 'of
the Admiralty.—But. till. it can he found that, Lord
Baßroa,t' needs a amber of questions to fcfrash hit
tneinoi, or till General Ga.%coirrie shall be able to
bting proofs against his Lordship of a lamentable
deficiency in that faculty, sve conceive that the
Mornirg Paper in que,tiutt may be,content to let his
Lordship occupy the situation 'Without being anxious
to provide:any superannuated Substitute.
Yesterday the Lotto MAYOR .ordered the Price
Of Bread to be- reduced one Assize, or id. in the
Peck Loaf, to take place to.morrow ; the:Quartern
Loaf of Wheaten will then befourteen pence three
farthings, and Household thirteen pence farthing.
After whiclt his Lordship attended a Court of
Common Council ai Guildhall, for taking into con.
sideration:the expediency of Petitioning Parliament
on the .subject of the present application of the Ro..
man Catholics, &c. Mr. Deputy BIRCH introduced
the Motions (as advertised in the Reiolutions in
front of this Paper) in a very animated Address,
which were seconded by Mr. DI xo N. The Previous
Question being moved by Mr. Wool), and seconded
by Mr. jotcics, a division was demanded, and there
appeared for the original Motion,. 4. Aldermen, 5+
Commoners, z 'fellers; 60. For the Previous
Question, 3 Aldermen, 22 Commoners, z Tellers;
i7.-33.Majatity for the original Question.
Tutu "IHRATRE.:--The new Comedy of Who
Wald: a Guinea P anti-the Farce of Lack and Key,
were. last night represented at Covent-garden The,,_
ire, by command of TH Eial MAJ s r t ts. Four of
the PaxNcassits accompanied
.their angist Parents,
and the whole of tile. ROyal Party seemed to be in
excellent health.

3.;:llies Scott, the person who stood charged With
forging an Order for the payment of 2651. mi.
with intent to deft.tutl'Mr. John Miers, was this
morning. placed in the Dock of the Old /34ileY, on
that indietment. The RECORDER dirctied an ac.
quittsd, the instrument having been destroyed by
the l!lisoner's
,uncle, who obtained pos,,essioo by
sking to copy the Order,: to get the ads ice of
Counsel.'

The supplies of Wheat at the Corn. Exchange to.day
are large, with further arrivals of Foreign, and, ex.
cepting prime samples, it is at less price, and much
of Foreign expected; some few thousand quarters of
Datitzie, being ordinary,' were sold by auction at
62i. to 69i.; nrime Barley as vur 1.,,t, other sorts
at lean, and some Foreign at hand ; there are several
foreign cargoes of Otis in the River, and way be
expected lower'; in Flour, and other articles, we
see no particular fluttuation.

In consequence of the betting at the. last Newntar.
ket meeting runnip;g, so high in favour of Holtrou Y
and CO. sharing, the Two Thirty Thousand
Pound, in the preient Lottery, ail ranks of persons
daily crukvd Olcir Ofiice to übiain those valuable
Prizes.