The Sun.
London, England, 1833-04-17 00:00:00

positions of h;s Majesty's Ministers.—(Hear.) It appeared
that Ministers had even sought for opinions among the ser.
vents of the Company to justify them, and among those servants
was Mr. Hope Mackenzie, now a member of the Board of Con_
trout, who had assisted the Right Hon. Charles Grant, in his
measures for the good Government of India. That gentle.
man, to a question put to him relative to the appointment of
persons who had heretofore been appointed by the Company,
gave his opinion, that in the event of the contemplated
.hinge, if the Government of England be administered on prin-
ciples of strict economy, it would be desirous to place the
patronage of the Government of India in the hands of the King's
Government--(Hear, hear.) If the Government of England
were to be conducted economically, was it not monstrous that
that should be done at the sacrifice of India?—(Hear, hear.)
The good government of India, and the good government of
this country were inseparable, but it seemed that to do one the
other must be sacrificed. Yet that was the opinion given by
Mr. Mackenzie, who was himself educated at the college at
Hertford.—(Hear, hear.) One of the propositions was that
the Company should not have power to recall the Governor..
General. The appointment of that officer was at present in
the Company, although the Crown had to approve of the selec-
tion, and if the Company should have the power of appointing
him, unless they had also the power of recalling him when oc-
casion required it, both countries might possibly be put to great
inconvenience.—(Hear.) It might in that case be in the dis.
crction of a Minister of the Cr.own to keep his friend in the
situation of Governor-General, although there might be good
grounds for recalling him. Unless that proposition be
altered, he, for one, would not consent to make any sa-
crifice at all.—Let that be done, and he was willing to
make great sacrifices. He thought the propositions of the
Hon. and Gallant General (Sir John Malcolm) more
deserving support than those of the Ministers.—(Hear.)—
Having read those resolutions, he stated that he had no doubt
that the revenue of India would be greatly augmented by the
introduction of a good system of laws by which all the Indian
commodities would be encouraged and brought to proper mar.
kets.—(Hear, hear.) What were the Company now called upon
to do by the Government? Why, to relinquish all their trade
with India for the sake of English interest. Was that,
he would ask, nothing ? He had consulted with several
proprietors, and such was their feeling on the subject, that
they had expressed their determination to give up their
stock sooner than be plundered of their assets.—(Cheers.)
The menaces which had been held out to force the proprietors
to give up their assets were unworthy of Englishmen, and as
one, he looked upon them with detestation. With part of the
resolution proposed yesterday he could not agree, but with
general propositions embraced by them he must heartily con-
curred. He was much afraid, with the Hon. Member who
had proposed the resolutions, that the Company must submit to
give up their exclusive privilege of trading to China, as he did
not think that Parliament would give them that privilege
again. Indeed, it was his opinion, that if exclusive trade was
denied to the Company, they would themselves relinquish
the China trade.—(No, no.) Notwithstanding that negative, he
finnly believed they would have further reason that no corporate
body c‘aild carrT on trade in competition with private indivi-
duals.—(llear, hear.) The transactions of corporate bodies
could not be conducted so as to insure that profit which
private adventurers would obtain.—(llear, hear.) With re-
spect to the privileges which the 'Right Honourable Se-
eretary of the Board of Controul had held out should be granted
to the Company, he (Mr. W.) should like very much to know
what they were, as he confessed himself utterly incapable, at the
present moment, of discovering them. However, be they what
they might, he hoped that the Court would take care that any
measure that was adopted should give them such privileges as
they were entitled to enjoy.— Cheers.)
Mr. M`KINNON explained.

Sir CHARLES DALBV said that, unaccustomed as he was to
public speaking, be would not have addressed the Court had it
not been for some of the observations that had fallen from
some of the former speakers. It had been stated by the Hon,
and Gallant Gentleman who was so long in possession of the
House yesterday, that they held the Government of India on
a very slight foundation—(Hear, hear, hear)--he would
therefore impress upon the Honourable Court of Directors,
in all their dealings upon the subject, to bear that in mind, for
it was impossible to suppose that we could govern India with
30,000 in the spirit of coercion, we must therefore govern it by
showing that they were acting in the utmost spirit of impar-
tiality and good faith. When speaking upon good with respect
to the natives, he would allude to another question of much
the same nature, he meant to the good understanding that
ought to be between the Company and its servants, both
civil and military.— (Hear, hear.) He alluded more particu.
tarty to the military service, and he spoke not from any
disappointed feeling, for while he held a command in India he
had been most liberally rewarded, and would always feel obliged
to the Court of Directors for it, but he would impress upon
them the necessity of liberally rewarding the military in their
service, and the absolute necessity there was for making the
accounts of allowances more intelligible. He could assure
the Court, that with the little knowledge of accounts that he
had he never could make them out—(a laugh)—and it was
always the first duty of an officer, on his arrival in that country,
to require an explanation from the Government of the scale of
allowances.

Mr. JACKSON said the real question before the Court was,
whether they could agree to the resolutions of the Gallant
Gentleman, and if they could not, then what alterations sho Id
be made in them. All he wchild require of the Governmen
was, that they should not press harder on the Company than
they were obliged to do by the general voice of the people, for
it was well known that they, or any Government, must
obey it.—(No, no ; and hear, hear.) If the people of the coun-
try had not called for a change, would they hay 2 had the pro-
positions that were now offered them ? The terms of their
concession was all that was now left them to consider,
for the command had come from a higher power, and
all they had to do was to obey. In his opinion, India
could not be governed with other governors than as at pre-
sent by the Directors ; for if the natives were made acquainted
with the fact that their power was crippled, nothing could
save the country. The Hon. Proprietor eulogized the comma
of Sir John Malcolm, and said it was a most fortunate thing for
the Company to have such an adviser, who had gathered expe-
rience while serving them for more than forty years,.
One great consideration was the allowing of any persons
to settle in India, for the natives were not now as they
were in 1784. They now spoke our language, read our
newspapers, and even printed their papers in their own
language. If they were ripe for such a blessing as a free press,
he would be the last in the world to keep it from them ; but
when they saw that even in enlightened Europe the people
were scarcely prepared .for it, what dire effects would it cause
in India among such a people as was painted by the Hon. and
Gallant General, How long would the country be in our
possession ?—(Hear, hear.) The natural result of such
a change, at the present time, would be the expulsion of the
present Masters. A proposition similar to the present was once
proposed by Mr. Charles Fox, which instantly led to his poll.
tical anihilation, for even the men who cried out for an open
trade, said to his Bill, no, we will not bo benefited by the robbery
of the Company. The proposed security he denounced as a hol-
low and deceptive one, and one not fit to be received by that
Court. They were threatened by Mr. Grant, too, that
if they did agree to the compromise that was offered
by him, he would overwhelm them by making them show that
their trading profits since 1794 were not their own. This was
just like a debtor saying to a creditor, no doubt I owe you a
sum of money, but if you ask me for it, I wit get an injunction
from the Chancellor against you ; I will throw you
into Chancery. Suppose they were to conclude that they would
not close with this proposition, without you fudy secure us our
dividend, from a source that will not press upon the native of
India. Let them say, rather perish our dividends than lose
our honour, by having it wrung from the poor and op-
pressed native. What was to hinder them from trading,
for they had ships and every thing ready, and could
start in a week. They would not then be bound
to their ten and a half per cent., and would not that be bet-
ter than drawing their dividends from the tears of the Indians.
He would conclude his observations by moving an amend.
ment, as an addition to the resolutions proposed by Sir
John Malcolm. The Honourable Proprietor then handed in
his resolution, which was to the effect that the Directors do
not agree to the propositions of Government, unless the Pro-
prietors have the power to invest their own assets in the
public funds, or otherwise as they might think proper, in order
to secure to them their dividends. _ _ .

The motion was seconded, and the amendment ordered to
be printed,
On the motion of Major GOWAN, the Court (at 5 o'clock)
was adjourned, till 12 o'clock on Thursday.

TIIE TIN TRADE.-A meriting of the per-
COGIIeCICII with the tin tre.:le was held this day, at
STEVENS'S Hotel, Truro, which was most respectably at-
ten led. L. C. DA CBAZ, Esq., was called to the c. air,
on the motion of our County Member, E. W. W. PEN-
DAKvEs, Esq. A memori rl presented to the KING, as
Duke of Corn,vall, for a remission of the onerous nuts
levied on tit), with the reply given by order of his MA-
JESTY. were read. In this reply, the KING declares that
he cannot give up his hereditary right to the tin duty paid
to the Duchy, hut that all the tees shall be remitted, ex-
cept the post gro its, es hi;:h a e betel on lease, and which
there is reason to believe will also he re witted, in a few
years, when the lease expires; coinaiges are to be held
every six weeks, and Hayle is to be made a coinage town.
The me,ting passed some resolutions expressive of their
thanks for the relief granted, but also of their regret that
an arran:;ement court not have been made to remit the
duty, which was the last remnant of an explode sy•tem
ij England, Icy levying a tax on a native productmo to
raw state ; and starin,!, that it the importation of
Banta tin should continue, they joust again press their
claims for relief upon the Government. —West Briton.