The Sun.
London, England, 1802-04-06 00:00:00

W• 3 CAI lICS WiSn, nowever,
tO give time tot eVo&fy
information that could be adduced upon the stibjea.
Mr. GREY said, that so much of the Right
Hon. Gentleman's IMr. PITT'S) speech bore so lit-
tle relation to the question; that he could scarcely
discuss it without transgressing the bounds of order.
The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Prue) having
however taken the advantage of some passages in
the speech of his Hon. Friend (Mr. WHrTEREAD,)
to enter into an account ,of the aas of his admini-
stration, and to impress upon the House the advan-
tages which that Right Hon. Gentleman had
from his condua, he must beg the indulgence
of the Committee, whilst he said a few words in an-
swer to the assertions made by the Right Hon. Gen-
tienian. There were two points peculiarlyprotninent in
the suhjea of that day's discussion—the one was, the
abandonment of that which had been called the solid
System of Finance ; the other, the infringement cf
that Aft of Parliament which was it:tended to bind
all future Chancellors of the Exchequer, and was a
measure of which the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
PITT) who brought it forward, was so tenacious that
he could brook no opposition to it. The Right
Hon. Gentleman (Mr. PI IT) now said, that he
should watch with anxious jealousy the measure pro-
posed by- the CHANCELLOR of tile EXCHEQUER,
nut if he found that it would strengthen and add to
the efficacy of the Measure, he would give it his sup-
port. This, however, should teach the Right
Honourable Gentleman to be a little less confident
in his promises, and sanguine in his expeaations.—
The first object of the present measure was the
abandonment of the solid -System of Finance ; and
here he would ask, whether it was consistent with
public faith, that those debts which were to be li-
quidated in the course of eight or nine years, should
be consolidated with that which was not to be re-
deemed but in a much longer period I—Whether
the consolidation of 56,000,00b1. which was to be
redeemed in 'eight or nine years, with a debt which
required a much longer period to liquidate, was con-
Fistent with the public faith, pledged to the Cre-
ditors ? The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. PITT)
had pledged the Income Tax for this sum—a Tax
to injurious and oppressive, that his Successor was
compelled to abandon it. It had been called a War
Tax ; but was the Right Hon. Gentleman prepared
to say that if the War had continued it would have
been possibie to have continued to collect this oppres_
si 4. Tax 1 The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. PITT),
poi tting die real subjeft in debate, had entered into a
general history of the success of the War ; but what did
this success amount to ? The Right Hon. Gentieman
(the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER) had said,
that we had gained all that we had not lost. This at a
former period of the War would have been called a
negative success. But had any objea of the War
been accomplished ? The Right Hon. Gentleman
said there had. Let the People of England, who
bad felt the burthens of the War, decide the ques-
tion : or, if the Right Hon. Gentleman was not
alive to the cry of the distresses of the lower orders
of the people, let his fellow labcurers in the con-
duet of the War decide; those who now said, that
in signing the Treaty of Peace the Minister had
signed the ruin of his Country. For what. objet
was the War undertaken ? Was it to prevent the
increase of the power of- France, and was not the
flower of France now increased beyond any former
period ? Had not the Right Hon. Gentleman, by
his measures, realized to France all that her most

,arnhitiOus hopes could have conceived ? it for

the exriklion of French principles ? Was the Right
Konourable Gentleman prepared to say th?Jt the
power of the First Consul was not founded ❑pon
Jacobinism Was he prepared to say, .that
that Chief was not yet the child and cham.
_ _ _

pion of jacobinism 2 Was he prepared to say,
that no dangers were to be feared from the

enormous powerof France ? The Right Honour-
able Gen:let-Dan (Mr. Pt yr) had triumphantly re-
frreti to what had been said by his Hon. Friend
Viturrnt:EAD), with respc& to the predi6-tions
of that Right 1-1:;r.
Genticinan in 1792, of fifteen

years Peace. The Right Hon. Geniirman did not
appear to have a very good memory of what passed
at that period—he said, that by an unremitting
::hour and economy, and the cultivation of the.arts

or Peace, the Finances of the Country had arrived

that height of prosperity, which they had then
reached. He forgot, that previous to that year,
there had been periods in which he had neglected to
cultivate arts of Peace—there had been two Anna_

rnents, one of which he (Mr. GREY) thought wholly
nrnecessary. The Right Flora. Gentleman (Mr. PITT)
said, that he confidently, hoped, in 1792, in com-
mon with others, that however inimical to social

order the principles of France might Then bc., that
this Country would be able to keep aloof from any
contest .rich thy;: Couritry. If his (Mr. GREY'S)
memory did not fail him, the Right Hon. Gentle.
!flan crated, at that time, that he saw proofs that
the French Government, though more powerful,
might become less obnoxious. Let it he admitted,
however, that the Right Honourable Gentleman

bLki a sincere desire fir Peace in 7792, Was it
any proof that the Right Honourable Gentleman
did not plunge this Country into a War in 7793,
which might have been avoided I He conceived

that this couhi not be a fair reason. It was incon:

however, with order, to go much at large
;nto this subject, hut he felt it necessary to state
his opinion. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
PITT) had .3fsconted upon his own merits; he-(Mr.
GRF,Y) could .not now enter into a discussion of

those ruerit,,,, either in entering into the War or
hi; refusing to negotiate. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man hAd not been content with def,•nding himself,
hut he had a wicked others. The Right Hon.
NUICIIIMI (Mr. PITT) had accused him (Mr. GREY),
nnd those with whom he atted, of deserting the
House, to which-they never returned, unless to ob-
Aztu(!t the measures of Government. He did not

`fcei himself accountable to the Right Hon. gentle-
r-11AI frit the motives of his conduct on that oc-

citsion. He, and those with whom he aaed,
had uniformly' opposed the system of the Right
Hon. Gentleman, from the operation of which they
Lad foretold ruin to the Country. They contended
th.t if a system of moderation was adapted, which
should excinde an arbitrary conduer towr-cli Foreign