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London, England, 1802-06-11 00:00:00

5)11s) because, if the Glenville A. was 'to be tom%
Itee_tealy
of
to Ireland, it would destroy in..
re 41 of securing the Freedom of Election.--With
lasg_ard to the Aa which had passed upon this subjel
1,2 year, he had in some degree disapproved of it,
7crsat4e it departed farther from the Grenville
1-__ct than he thought the necessity of the case
ae‘tiatred. With' regard to what had been said
11113,4 t the appointment of Barristers to ate as Com-
Zssioners, it appeared to him that they were the
tis'`:_lperest persons that'could be seleaed for that pur_
fess!from the nature of their education and their pro.
ths'onal praaice. As to their being independent, he
th°.ght they ought to be so, not independent from
4t`tr landed possessions, but from their standing
of Ile Bar, which was at least prima facie evidence
bt" respectability of their charaaer. As to their
ng.paid by the Crown, that appeared to him to
him stroer objeaion to them than it was to the
I.l` ges who were also paid by the Crown. A tight
jo". Gentleman, Mr. FosrEa, had stated a Case
which it might be necessary for a Member of
r„"ainent to attend to give evidence before the
lik()4'rnissioners in Ireland : this was not a case very
e'Y to happen, but even if it were, an application
t highr be made to the House, and he bad no doubt
t
at they would give permission to any Member to
enhe the Commissioners for that purpose. This
"'d not mean to say would be no inconvenience,
butwben it was put in competition with the incon-
han'ente that would result from bringing over per-
Psr,a thousand witnesses, he again repeated that
whe."ouse had to decide between the- inconveniencies
thereleb presented themselves upon every plan that
be suggested, and as he was of opinion that
thereoi were tower ohjetlions to this than to any
;tt ler plan he had heard suggested, he should give
is Support.
thcolorzel BAGWPLL said, that he should support
because he thought some measure of -this
necessary ; and he had heard no other plan
tolgested, which appeared. to him so little liable
c'bjeaion as the present. He had been alluded
ti, as having been concerned in a Controverted Eilcc-
:ln for the County of Tipperary, the expence'-of
li: Ich had been stated within bounds, at 20,0001.
hadQ. such an idea of the expence- of trying- a
r,-
Iritested Election in England, that if he had soon
iit°.tes, and a person who had only so were to pe.
-rliGn against him, he would give up the contest.—
Waft was, that if something like the .present
iolt as not adopted, it would be hardly possible
ave a fair Eleetion in Ireland.
JONES.spoke in favour of the Bill.
the
DAMES Ek)Kllv said he was aware of
difficulties that attended a measure of this kind,
tiTus therefore, be was sorry to oppose this Bill;
tgL.as it appeared to him to be a complete depar-
o
t, from the principle Of the Grenville At he
Could oppose it.—The decision would by this Bill
tie ~_.Completely vested in the Barristers, because as
CeY were to give their opinion, it would probably
adopted by the Committee and what increased
hisOhjeCtion was, that these Barristers were to be
Ilfkid by the CrOwn ; he should therefore; if the
gDose divided upon this question, be under the ne.
dairy of voting against the Bill.
th AG- A. MOO RE was favourable to the Bill; he
cibught the real question was, how the House
tv(3tlid make the best of that which Was certainly an
li which could not be altogether removed; and
o 'er a
„ elate it should be diniinisbcd a 5 much as pos-
t; 1& Upon the merits of the measure he pro-
es'ed to expatiate at large, as one that grew ne-
te and
tari!), out of the 'Union between Engl d
reiand.
frALPoLE called the Hon. Gentleman to
(te,.
tnought the House were not now to
'r observations upon the Union.
SECRETARY at WAR called the Hon. Ge-
L-11 to Order, and expressed his astonishment that
eiesiloilld have objeaed to the course which the
t
'rl'ed Member was pursuing, than which nothing
to
i
b' more regular:
vv;;lQ,e 'SPEAKER decided that Mr. MOORS was
t-`llO Order, by calling on the Learned Member
salProeeedi -which he did, and supported the gene.
Principle of the Bill.
in,,At• W. IV YNNE said, he should vote for go-
-I,l4•blinto a Committee on this Bill; but he thought
• -k„1-11 of its pfovisions would require amendment.
M. ALEXANDER was also-, for going into the
.o"ntnittee upon this Bill-
W. PoNsONBV thought the Bill con,
`'ned much objectionable matter,
the
r- CORRY. desired it to be remembered, that
e, vote about to be given by the House on this
oe
th;:s'" was on the principle of the Bill, and'
fe,,eu're he trusted he should be excused for of-
fili'ng a single observation, and he should con-
e himself to the principle, of the Bill.. It
has said, that this measure was a violation of
14 Principles of the Grenville Bill. In his hum-
shit ()Pinion it was no such thing ; it was to sub-
hute a mode of trial by a selea. body of men,
atia-sen by the House, and aging upon their,oaths ;
this was conformable to the principle. of Mr.
Itir!.ntrille's Bill, for that was a provision substi-
hotAill a body of men to aft in the room' of a larger
to"Y, and instead of a loose decision which was
rfortMerlY made by that large body of men who were
acting upon their oaths, nor, perhaps, always
so
waittentive as might have been desirable to the
hadinenee before them, and who in deciding on which,
been supposed formerly to be subject to some
ic.que influence. Such was this 8i11... Also with
pogait to parole Evidence, this Bill was likewise
th. the principle of the Grenville Act. What was
oft'Bill, but a Measure to empower a seled body
men to hear parole Evidence, and to act ,upon
oath
to make a return, and to submit that to the
suet. ? That was the principle of the Grenville
suet The principal heads of this measure were
ls oke for themselves, and the rest were mere
regulationsin the
which might be discussed and altered
11 the Committee, without affeaing the principle.
_ lYisr.eferring the examination of Witnesses to Com-
rittitsi.ons, there would be a great saving of expence.
pis'f any Gentlemen thought that by pissing this
th. 4 Eletlions would all be tried in Ireland,
than'
was a mistake as to the operation of the Bill,
and th
read, ere was a part of the Bill which be would
dt_ sheaving, that the Committee would have to
Lcr mine, in what uses the matter should be