The Sun.
London, England, 1834-02-17 00:00:00

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I House. With regard to the mass of petitions brought ;:t,
fore the House by the Hon. Member for Dublin, he trite ' .1
that when the subjects to which they referred came .
fore the House they would have all the considerstiol,
which they justly merited. He would, however, pa!,
take upon himself to say that the Imperial Parliameir
would never accede either to the prayer of one class!
petitioners or the other, and for himself he hop'd be shoufekf
never see the day when the repeal of the Legislan
Union should take place. With respect to the Prott.
Cants of
Kent,
Itrhealatnifdthheey
sclownucludrbreedsowdietihurneasHoonsu.
pMpnoe:_eia3rhit,
rep, al of the Union would put them in a better co 1
,tl°.,
than they were at present, they would find then:eir,
most terribly mistaken. He felt no however that
the Legislature wouid take care that h
eyth Am°low _. it
be
~shiarn.dFe.d
07cerotNoNtloieRtencdoenrsimdeerrecdi,eiifof those in f
could not put the gee i test confidence, considern3g
present sta'e of the country.
under delusion upon the subject of the petitions prese_i?oi
by the Hon. Alember for Dublin, it was the two
_Ha,
Members opposite.—(Hear, and a liugh.) The II:
Now he (Mr. O'Connor) was a Protestant,
Member for Kent seemed to think that the question::'
a Catholic ques '
he
constituents,h '
had Union
l 'o
thoughtww ahso sa ogiirteel ;di s wile duty
on the subject. Inde dof pen-ent this, be bad attended
ierons meetings for the repeal of the Union, at 1/
111 bea means
th
almost without any exception, the strongest re-
(Hem
were
forward with as fixed a deterininaatni
proposed and seconded by Protestants.---.
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If it ever was a Catholic question, it had now "33-
be so. The Protestants of Ireland considered that '
givenin
Catholicsu hp ,
the P He bat.
doubt that it would astonish Memb:rs to learn teat,
possible attempt was made to put down in thiscount
jogs for the repeal of the Union. Some time ag,e, a
meting was about being held in London. For this P
the Hon. Member state 1, a few days since a
had been taken at the Crown and Anchor Tavern,
ht ? 1
n take
in bid, thee
..
after the publication of the King's speech, and scil
two or three days of the holding cf the meeting, the
sons having agreed for the rent of the room, the
prietor told them that such a meeting would be in
violation of the King's speech, and that it would be
t:iarssoaach.reairfide.t_ec:
(pHargoedeaur.rth; eeYartso°hrnaesduspevisailtl
but treason to allow the meeting to take place in
house. Was that, he would ask, fair discussion ? '
had been often told that the fair way to learn
opinion, was by the petitions of the people, but
he would ask, would become of the value of pi
opinion, if the people were not allowed liberty of un:
discussion ? The Deputation afterwards had gone to
London Coffee-house ; the proprietor did not exactly
them that it would be treason to hold the meeting, but he
six times the fair rent upon his room ; 5o much, then
freedom of debate. Notwithstanding the attempts
which
been made to smother the question, he could assure the
Gentlemen on the other side that they were labouring ui
delusion, that nothing could stop its progress, that " no
of vituperation,"
as the Hon. and Learned Member for
had ter
temptedmedt it, would put it down. In proportion as the
be crushed it would gain strength. ,
his ost o
hearty
support to each of the petitions pees
npr:
vehoi
eoper
rent
eeal
legal
0 Uniongtf
it o f :
his

the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin.
Mr. FINCH said, that a question of this sort should;
cussed with temper, but while he admitted that the Wert!
the question should be fully and fairly discussed, he must
dicate the opinion expressed by his Honourable and
friend on his right (Mr. Johnstone) that the
Protestants who affixed their names to petitions of this

laboured under a great mistake. He would not say
for that term might be displeasing, but he did think that
laboured under a great mistake—he entertained
highest possible opinion of the talents of the Hon"
and Learned Member for Dublin, but with respect to a,
lution of the Union, there was something so absurd on
that
of it—there was something so ridiculous in supposing t 3.
thought it would have deterred any Hon. Member frogs a.er:,
separate Legislatures would work better than one--that
entertaining it. There was some secret and i.'lloo.
influence which he could not discover,
and Learned Gentleman out of his depth. There ed toS
secret agency at work, or he would never have proP"
repeal
British Legislature that they should consent
tann abetrafed,
of the union, for otherwise such a propositi,mr.
utter imbecility.—(Hear, hear, hear.) If be
ant d Learos4l
could penetrate into the secrets of the
likatahat he did at!
which hurried trw
scot
Member's breast, he was inclined to think mus'.
Ohl
expect any successful result to this question.
make
that it would be extremely difficult to ke twoLe gs I►
recoa'
work together.—(Hear, hear.) They would disc
that when the question of a Regen parliament hole%
the differences between the two Houses of c
cc
cited much annoyance and inconvenience, the Cr
their being obliged to work together being co rice 00
e'
ca,
When Honourable Members recollected that the tho.
repeal of the Union would be to have a Roman
Government sitting in Ireland--(" No, no," Irons t'ity,
M—underaProtestapt Government in this cOOn f
under a Protestant Executive, there was on the face °id ,
anomaly so gross, so extravagant, as he dared to say te;is
vince those around him that the present state ofthe thj9lo-;ttea
which was most advisable. But to consider
regarded our commercial, foreign, and domestic inte,,,Vese
first with respect to our commercial interestS• '„-to ion
Member for Oldham had a few nights since led them
secrets respecting the commercial jealousies which we'oet
if the Repeal of the Union was effected. In that
ale ntaier
denied that there would be any friendly intercourse 3! ,:sifpuhl
between the two countries—there would be a sort of
tility, and in that case a restriction would perhaps t ler
upon the
ethleoyimalprorntgaitiisohnyoefolmriesnh, corn.that n
not
tHOen
one
would anst"_:.ald
template such a state of things without diosn't. atb,CrwnveCn;tbcoll
respect to our foreign relations—would net 3 0 what AO
totally dissent from a Protestant Parliansent
be considered the most judicious course ?
„amount loss'i
power of the Church of Rome, which Was P foreiga
land, recommend a totally different system of
deo, toreuty
from that which a Protestant Parliament Would
s,
effect their objects ? With respect to our dosne
cold be to d
object of an Irish Roman Catholic Parliament vito ettern'ial°
vance the interests of the Church of Rome ; owe so%
the Protestant religion ;to impose a grievous Os ho°_,,
make absentees by a series of petty persecutions ;e k'new sorr-0
restorelthe forfeited estates.—(Cries of " Hear.") the OLIO
thing of the feeling which had bnen impressed, ande by Ce;fo
that had been implanted in the minds of the Peep '",se
itinerant orators—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear")i of ill
?
perambulating the country, reminding the PeeP the Ad
grievances and persecutions they had endured Cron" 4,
f " hes'
of Henry the 2d., during the reign 0 bear, iesi
the administration of the Penal Laws—ale°, oe Oat- kV
There was, he admitted, a great deal of truth in th,
the peopl,
and it was endeavoured to be kept in the he
i,eiters
that all the forfeited property belonged to their an::tectsw'n.;,,
should be restored. This was one of the paramount owcototati.
as
Would not fi,c
the advocates of repeal had in view ; another was th..ed digoit
of the Church of Rome to her former bonours.T;weaces
What was the next step ? to produce endless 6.'1 total r
tween the two Parliaments, and this must lead teoi;it of!
connection between the two countries and,Aa to reso.tt'
(Hear, hear.) If England would be consPel'"
and!'
this with her fleets, with her armies, with herTtilsrtS:'i,e ijalto.
sixteen and a half millions of Proiestant SP'a
Catholics would be again subdued and thrown bas , 11
miserable state in which they were sixty years hte°T)--',"
E.nancipation Bill would be repealed—(Great lang wpe%
country would be desolated, and civilization An'
meet thrown back for centuries. (Great laughter./
would,sf
tocaanonntdc
clergyman,luadert bo my
a n relatingafter
Catholicat nh e
parishioner
passinganecdote.
ofAtihnferaiEenn:dr4:oll?los
Bill,
Creme excitement, anticipating the almost immediate
of his Church. The clergyman said he steed
a B
in such excessive joy, for the effect of the Cst;
merely be to introduce forty or forty-five 11°.- ateod
lic Members into the House, and what could they -°,restL'oi
600 ? The man replied, that fifty foxes could dO a rst7,s,
among 600 geese.—(Laughter.) He hoped Flom Ate—valisaYs
not suppose that he was the person to say that the
who passed that Bill were geese.—(Laughter.) lgan; f
able Members voted for it because it was a euesti'ind° lA, as
grievances. He would tell the Honourable y
rope
Member for Dublin that he would obtain averted iO6
the union when the intellect of England was ce"deptsne
pusillanimity and folly—when the eye of her °for the or
was put out—when the 50 foxes were a match t igso
English Members—when the English Parliarand a nvoil
verted into 600 geese.,--when the sixteen millions at' then,
Englishmen became subjected to the Irish nation
not till then, would he obtain a repeal of the union-bee el
Mr. FINN said he knew certain itinerants haa
- toa
bulating Ireland with the Bible in their hands, tstoghl
more mischief, and excited more dissension, and, be ifisn
did more to destroy the Established Church than an her
tors had done, and if a return were made of the nunitheOry
converts it would be found to be very small and that not
which induced them to become converts were
creditable to either party. With regard to the Eng":,,,ed,
it appeared that the Irish Protestants were to he ;es
the Catholics by those gentlemen ; Ise would hove_ere v-ipc
the Hon. Member, that the Protestants of Ireland ,'1:00,t
ning to see their true position, and that theY 0.004
dially combine with the Catholics of that counts"); ;ihicPol
their mutual rights and freedom. In the county 03_1
represented, there were 165,000 Roman Catholies'g toritil"
5,000 Protestants, and there were ten parishes 19it%ae tsr
in that county (Kilkenny), in which there was he, de 0,0,
Protestant. Was it then to be said that with so ''.ert a" it
jority of Catholics they should be compelled to sar 00;i
stitution to which they did not belong ? Ida",
Mr. O'CONNELL said he could not help renlat:
tost,
Rome was once saved by geese, he feared Ireland col o/
be.—(Much laughter.) He confessed that his
.f Die
were troubled with a fogginess of intellect, " the `l,,
them unable to see their own interests, with ".d iin
British spectacles; but though they were so stu,„P,,,l 10 •
Catholics as well as Protestants were united "‘

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