The Sun.
London, England, 1802-12-03 00:00:00

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A9Ctverbtent of Vrahce--itippost the death of the
rst consul by .means bfartrof those Brutuses who
aPpeared in that,.-Country, (this tips an event
which he- not only did not wish, but which' he
Would-prevent if it were in his'power, not -from
,anp.periOnal regard to the person in question, hU.t.
from. his detestation of such Tra4iees), .any,
event of that kind were to happen, and it might
Le-thought advisable to invade -this Coo/pry, the
Ports of Holland would :4Eu-tithe means of sending
°Ll'er 'an -Army to this Country in one night's time ;-
spoke this from personal.knowledge,, because he
'tad-soiled from England to Holland in one night,
And •he supposed .the. passage might he
,effected
from Holland to' England in the same period.
It was for these, reasons that he wished our
Aavy to be increased..... A 'was needless to trouble
the HOUse.a.py limger,rheo.voold therefore only, add,
Mat we might augment our Navy, but if Officers
were rewarded for any other.cause but that of hay..
'ng served (heir King and Country faithfully, if
there was any other road • to honour, it would ills.
lt"rage those who earned their lionours,by hard. and.
°ng service. He could not help before he sat down
tilllug the attention of. the House to a publicatioo
was almost in the hands of every Officer, the
List, '.the cover, of which it was adver-
tlzed, that there .were certain places to
.be sold
af-"hunt His; Maje4.ty, _but to • prevent applications
a°lll mere ea. riosiry,.,iimens),v_ee,would be given to
Y application wos.,not accompanied with a
on
ne Pciuna note., Now it rust be obvious to every
'iris();,ndwl4o. had common sense, that the tobjed of
frop ---ventsement was.. to get a one pound note'
evr-rYi)o6lyovho was
cause fool enough to give it, be..
sent everY body who knew any thing of the pre,
Bible, ii—V•ersnrast-know that the thing was impos-
t-11.' Out the circulation of such an advertisement
thz.,ht du mischief among ill informed persons, and
the'eAt, et"e he should hand. over the publication' to
- ttorne_-,f
,y General, and hoped that he would
I):"44.tbe.perstms guilty of ibis offeoce, if, the Law
4now of it.—l-le concluded with expressing
1.4 wish that the Navy would
_be kept in a state of
e4lltles, Which he considered as .the best Means of
?It'erviokl?eace.
itir• TZ/kG ES $ said, he had heard of the'dis.._
~Laree of many men 'itr,mn the' Dock-yards, but he
liot :,ufficientlY acquainted with the'sUhkEi to
deseide . upon the propriety of the measure. " He
n7re,4'.wished to
_deliver hiS 'sentiments upon the
%nlotr of Seamen that it was now proposed to em,
111°3% If an Hon. Gentleman who spoke a few
his-agooba.twas no.w, in his place, die would probably
t to the narnaer proposed, as being much too
t ; for his own part, he,should ogler to the Re-
ion before the House; because he cooceived the
"Itlisters' Must be the best judges upon the subject.
e -agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman who
trke
.on the opposite bench (Mr. GRENYIit,E)
t Ole House was, never, before placed in such a
sil
Intation
tote
; they were never before called upon . to
tv s.ll a hikailler of Seamen in' time of Peace,
list Lthout eXplanatiOn or notice; and he confessed he
v'itn astonishment to that part of the
of the tx C EQti Ea's:speech, in which he
r;,,te d' Tha
"A t' the' persons who oppdsed the Resolu-
larg State 'the ,necessity , of proposing
-etflit •
number of men; 'hut that it was
to • .'
•"'ll,ti erut-'OO-thpe who pr0p:n.9,4,, the M. Otit.St
called
explauations upon the subject,,
,ape.;.AuCoo. -The' present 'Parliament had been
Th""" with a' most gracious Speech from the,h tone, which, fir any thing it contained, might
;pave been made in a tithe of
-.the most profound
Fie did hot hesitate to confess, that he
:n•si(terc'l the'Countiy a; being in a state of great
clolat whichong"' 'and could by no Means assent to that para_
'hail been advanced in a Fortner. ilg:bate,
4t this COUntry v as to look for it's 'security in the
1.
..i'neittness France.--Tlf, -.France had .merely_obit'd her territory, She Might not be so much an
was
a Ls' :t .9f.ap_p,re4en4on; ,but vktheii. lie saw that' she
i,:n.Pnsst-"s:in of the' left' bank Of the Rhine, and
tvestrqed all the fortresses on the. right hank.—
/10,741 411 e. ilireded- the affairs of Holland, and was.
her OrtS—•When: she 'commanded. •
set
.pf Piedinoht
.40d the I""antaills Thf 40`41t.z..tilai;d:',.. is- could not 'l3.e"'de...ni-e. d that she
ines'elsea ,t'lte a
tneark,c;frvii-ifki her. a !tick's once
tetb. the heart of eir'erirtei4boaaring tout he
I)lixt consideration was, "how site ‘vculd use ,
, Alf W.errf----Ale 'would not_rn,,,s enter: into ia,,gcussitio
the coodua she had 49i-)her Siatesec ,
c,ould not agiee Hon. Gentleman. who
'\ll„)?.ttear ,last, that FrauCe'w,4Viniwiliing to elite? into ,
be.cattse,he wis'Unarite.:to conceive the absolute
~,141.,tzer4nd,;
I,e,.es,?ty that was, irqosed upon her Of atta.c.,k-111,
bit lie wise;l:is look :it the di_sposititnis
eli C
1111Itati bee.ti'Manifesteeby..France towards this
feC,P'thrY• He begged the Huse 'to look at the Mani-
tail°. es which had been. publislitd in a French Paper,
faifors ttseif by authority; tie„onlY 014cial- Paper Ale c anQe• What was inserted in that, Paper Must
A4o3,ered ;‘l_ the procludioliS of, or, at least,
as wlri.'ed by the Goveforrientidi7rance, as much _
thor,•)a, appeared in the London' Gazette, wars au-
diet
-seu by the Government of tbis Country.' He.;triliTt mean to that the Government of Great
ter ',4'n Ought to have interfered, and tti have called
use:Lrettattiop; indeed-it would have been- of no
Ivat u„.ecause the secret was out, and their enmity.
the
icnown;, He was. undoubtedly anxious for
continuance of 'Peace, which, he believed,
atosithe wist
p of air parties, 'though they differed
tph`t!l- ttle means of securing- it, The' Treaty from
exeltwe wcrett-TTOOkfor-PerCe7lfia no[ fel -been
to,,;uted, which, to meh of common understanding,
itit'"d only arise from the probability of another rUp-
v.e.k-o.t else as caloulated to lead to one. He ;1.,
43's 1 •
41. ts.tened with attention to the CHANCELLOR
eXpr e EKgi.EQuEß,.and he trusted, that the hopes
sat,:s.seo by of the continuance of Peace, were
th„r.'ne; but he could nut help tecolleding, _
lion.l,!,was not many months ago, since that Right.
preseivz'Aitletnan had given it as his opinion, that the
that i,',t,Peace was likely to lot as long as any Peace
sin '''ulieen concluded in the-last century. •It was
thel.?=;`'.ll,af., that in: a period of such general alarm,
only 'kight Honourable Gentleman should be the
Was i1u_9.71,4 - He thought , it
tior either 'for the advantage of the Parliament
be of the Country, ;that their dangers should I.einQ .1 •
these: dltell diem, because a knowledge: of
min-ht-the more easily enable them'

to avert them ; for ha Was stiime :emu they-could
only he averted by our being preOred for War and
even for Invasion,- by taking etfedual means for
securing our possessions abroad and- at -home;, and

above all, by the •CharaEter of His Majesty's
Councils, being-such- as was calculated. to, .procure
respell; abroad, and to inspire:confidence at home.
Captain
_MAR k'HAM in answer tit what bad
fallen from .the Hou. Gentleman wlo spoke last but

one, said it was—very true that.maay_men had been

discharged fro tpe7pock-vards, but they were,
such as were either incapacitated by age, or who
were deficient as workmen, or. who had negleeted
'their business, or who if they had not been dis-

missed, might haxe been _punished by a course of
Law. It had been asserted, that men had been dis-

missed without being provided foi., bit this he ,cle_
flied, they not only had a greater provision made
than on former occasions, but it was extended

to a greater nbmber Of Persons. He wished to
say a word with regard to a description of men
Who were called Ctvulkets ; they. had entered into a
. .

conspiracy of the worst kind, in concert with the
Caulkers employed in the Merchant Service. Go-
vernment was applied to to defeat the object of this
conspiracy, which was to make their wages in time
of Peace, equal io what it was in time of War. If
this had been carried into effea, it would have been
felt throughout the whole Commercial System. In
order to counterad this Conspiracy, the Board of
Admiralty did inquire of every individual, whether
he was willing to enter into (he Merchant Service,
and upon his refusal he was discharged. As 'to there
not being a sufficient supply of Artificers, he con-
tended, that at no time had such pains been taken,
nor was there such a supply as at the present 'tno.7
ment ; the number of Apprentices was increased,
and men who faithfully performed their duty, were -
rewarded, The Hon. Gentleman had alluded to the
*insufficiency of the allowance given to. the Out-Pen-
sioners of Greenwich Hospital, and had said,- that
many wounded men •were distressed,
,and could ob.
rain no relief. But he begged ro obsertre, that
Greenwich Hospital. was never intended.Nas a re-
ceptacle for wounded Sailors, unless, they were in a
situation that they could not earn their bread ; there
,Was another Institution for that purpose; and that
was what Was called the Chest at Chatimm... It was
true, that sometimes Officers, did. not give the
Men what was called Smart Tickets, and .without
such a Certificate the men could "not obtain relief.
He could not follow the Hon.'-Gentleman through •
what he had said about France, 'anti about. Theatres :
and changes of scenery, because he knew nothing
about .the matter. As to, what, be bad said about
Stele's List, he saw the Hon. Gentleman had given
it to the Attorney-General, who. he supposed would
do what was right upon the subjea. •
Sir S/DiVitY SMITL/sait4 he had made no at-
tack upon the Board of Admiralty, he had merely
said, that when they had not granted relief, it was
because they had not- the means of doing it.
Lord PROBY said he had seen many instances of
what appeared to him gross injustice in the dismis-
sions which had taken plate from the Dock-yards.
He knew an instance of a Man who had been dismissed
from one of His Majesty's Yards, who had served
torwards of thirty years with great credit. He had
been turned out lately without the slightest warning,
anti without- any cause being as:iigned.- When he
applied to know the reason of his dismissal, the
answer was, that. the AdMiralty held the power Of
dismissing him, and that they did not want his ser-
vices. The person he alluded to was
from the Dock Yard at Plymouth. If upon ant;
emergency they wanted pier, to work
night and day -to fit out a Fleet. withdispatch,- the
greatest inducement would he, thecertainty of their
country not afterwards foreSaking them. iher::-
.fore, contended that such conde.:i was unjust and
unwise. .

Captain iIIARKI.I/1/11:- begged leave to. say'
_a few. words. in reply. The Noble Lord
,had:s'aid
that mtn..i.ve.re turned.-out witiniat. any cause; thei
Board .of •Aeliniralty was inlzt accustomed td gy.s.ei
their reaSnos,• -but if the. Noble Lord hademade pro-1
• per inquiries, he would:II:lye found, that there :.vcre
~rt asons of the greatest magnitude. for. the dismi'jsAls
that:rook place, arid more especially,.ith reg:lii:A.to:
...klieiperson alluded. to by the
,N0b1e,,1,0.41•- A corn- 1,
mit tee . from tilt Navy -13,Ei rd wills , ~,ell t dw,,;„. ,) 4,
~rminine into-abuses which existed ;,,msl•,.ll.ex.to,U'nt
,thaletlture w,as.ti defalcation:in the .q9au9R,askillitia .
.'.lily .of • t:he.:Timher ; tht it
..wiio.tyropet,lyil,TF
cci.vg‘i• into:thg yard,; that it was. .10.tf. 5114.05 i
06ti) the prpper . initials ; in short, ..th.tiAns:l:er.
son had , neglecled..lmost e_ very thing..co.pinlttecf
charge,to 'hi charge, and. it was in consequence of.this ,
inq +siry. bekng made,. and of these .fats, being, as
certaitied, ,that ,thiS ,person was turnal, out of ill ,
.oflice. If AeiNc2ble. ,Lord wished-.,t0 inquire int
the subject, and,wmuircniove for Papers„,be would
very .readily Jnicet . him upon the question,-,and the ,
result of that inquiry would satisfy the 3,.T.0h1e t,ord, .
that, insteid of :bring simply, turned., out of hi's
--situation, „that person, was deserving of a more,,sen-
ous punishment. .
--,Vr„ 14421.14 RT
.LiIIVL. EY agreed that an 'explai_ rl
nation
.shoyld come from Ministers, upon the prei-`
sent most important at-Hdipteresting Stare of Public-
, Affairs ; that the House ought to see whether thiy'
.lead concluded, themselves. wi,th,,firginess.,to4vdrcls.
,Frarkce ; awl he.professed himself inciined. to lie4.r
that matter.fairly explained, as well as their intel-•
.ti,ons for the future. , : .:ry:
;made .by thc Right Hon. Gentleman, opposite to
him, i; was not his intention to liae said any thing,
. but some: things which had fallen afecr,fards, made
it necessary, in his appreltelsion,,for:him to make
a ftw observations. He should. observe.,in clic; first
place,; that in proposing a Vote, of the Army pr
. Navy, it had not been usual to, precede, the Motion
- - with many arguments, urging, topics in support ~'of
..it; he had thought, it the lesi.ne,oessary..in tlie; pce-
sent case, since it was in His Majesty.'s Speechdis-
tindly stated, and the Sentiment was adop:ed ,in
the Address, that such measures ouglrr'to be adopt-
ed, as would be essential for the SeCurity-of this
Country. He believed that every Gentleman uti.:.
drstood by this, that a large NAvatund Military
Est-ablishrnent would be necessary fbr that purpose ;
—it -was true there was no -pledge.. ow that subjea,
. which was indeed-manifested by the Ipeech of. an
4ivn. Gentlethan (Mr 'Fox), .whtPbad laid in This
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