The Sun.
London, England, 1851-03-18 00:00:00

LIGHT LOCOMOTIVE ENGINES.

Several months since we gave the working upon the
Brighton line of a light locomotive called the " Little
England," and expressed an opinion that such a class of
engines would be found economical for light passage
traffic. Tho correctness of our opinion is confirmed by
the following report of Mr. Adie, the engineer of the
Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway, for which the " Little
England" was manufactured. Speaking of this class of
engine, Mr. Adie reports—
On the 3d of August last one was forwarded to the
Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway, under a guarantee
that she was to work their express train betweed Edin-
burgh and Glasgow, consisting of seven carriages, to
keep good time as per time bill, and not to consume
more than 101bs. of coke per mile ; if she did that to
the satisfaction of Mr. Adie, the company's engineer,
they should purchase her for 1,2001. But if the work
done, or the consumption of coke was not satisfactory,
and within the guarantee, Mr. England was to remove
her, and take her.back entirely at his own expense.
"After the engine got to work, in order to test her
powers accurately ?Ir. Adie appointed Mr. Cross, one of
his assistants, to accompany her for several days, to see
the coke weighed and to see the time was properly kept.
He also placed one of the best engines belonging to the
company, called the Sirius, to run from the opposite end,
at the same hours and with a similar train, in order to
compare the one with the other.
" They worked a week, the Shins starting the
morning trip from Edinburgh, and the Little England
from Glasgow. They then changed ; and the
Sirius started from Glasgow and the Little England
from Edinburgh, thus making a fair division of
the work, and the result proved that the small engine
kept better time than the larger one, so much so that
the manager, Mr. Thompson, was obliged to order the
driver not to run in before time for fear of an accident.
Her consumption of coke was 81b. 3oz. per mile, while
that of the Sirius was 291 b. Icz. per mile.
"The Little England would frequently run a mile in
60 seconds, and sometimes less. She started with less
slipping, and could be brought to a stand in much less
distance than the large engine.
" The engine was afterwards tried upon the Campsie
Junction line, where there is an incline of 1 in 75 for
three miles, and a station upon it. She took up seven
carriages and a luggage van crowded with passengers, and
as she had to stop at the station upon the incline, Mr. Pa-
ton, the locomotive superintendent, who accompanied her,
ordered a large coupled engine to follow to assist her
away from the station, if necessary; but she went away
with the train at the rate of 30 miles an hour, and the
heavy engine could not catch her; for the result proved
that the heavy engine could not ascend the incline alone
at the rate cf 30 miles an hour.

" When the engine got to the top of the incline,
where another branch line comes in and joins the main
line, she took on six more carrier-, twitting in all 14,
and took them into Glasgow in good style, surprising
every one who witnes3A it.
"Se is now running the express trains between
Edinburgh and Glasgow, consisting of five carriages,
with a consumption of only 6ilbs. of coke per mile.
During the heavy gales and bad weather which prevailed
in the early part of January, she was the only engine
upon the line that kept time.
" On the 7th of September Mr. England sent another
similar engine to the Liverpool and Southport line,
where she took a train of tea carriages up an incline
1 in 100, stopping and starting upon it, and where
there is also a sharp curve. She was delivered subject to
a guarantee that hhe was to run a train of seven car-
riages at the rate of 45 miles per hour, and ascend an in-
cline of I in 100 at 25 miles an hour, with a consump-
tion of coke not exceeding 10Ibs. pr
"She proved herself more than equal to the guarantee,
and the directors paid for her when she had been in
vvoik a week, considering she was more than equal to
the contract.

" There is one at work upon the Dundee and Perth
line, which has been working thtare since June, 1849,
and the locomotive superintendent declares that she has
not cost them sixpence in the shape of repairs during
that time; that she is always ready, and runs the mail
train of fcur carriages between Dundee and Perth daily."

HOW A CLERGYMAN SERVED A SCAMP.
(From the Devenport Independent,)
A few days since a young man, of respectable ap-
pearance and address, called at a bookseller's shop in this
town to ascertain the names of some of the Protestant
clergymen of the neighbourhood, and having been in-
formed of the Rev. Mr. Herbert, of St. Paul's, and the
Rev. Mr. Tagert, of St. Mary's district, the latter of
whom was mentioned to him in reply to his inquiry for an
Irish Protestantclergyman, the scamp left the shop saying
that was the very gentleman ho wanted. It appears,
however, that he first visited Mr. llerbert, who listened
to his tale, but suspecting it not to be " genuine," dis-
miesed him without a copper. He then found out the
residence of Mr. TagQrt, and was admitted to an au-
dience. He told a plausible story about the position and
wealth of his family, his own indiscretions, privations,
his present utter want of resources, and his hopes
of a remittance from his filth( r on Thursday.
This was on a Monday. "He had been in this
neighbourhood some days, and was lodging at
a house in Plymouth, where he bad a thorough clean and
comfortable bed, for which he paid 6d. a night; in all his
privations he said he had never slept in any but a clean
and comfortable bad, and should be very sorry indeed
to be compelled to do so." " Very proper," said Mr.
Tag,ert. " I quite approve of your appreciation of cleanli-
ness." " Well, sir," was the reply, " unless I can obtain
some help to pay for my bed until Thursday, when I re-
ceive the remittance from my father, I shall be reluctantly
compelled to give it up." Mr. Tagert intimated his
desire to help a countryman in distress. This admission
actkl as a spur to the young man, who still more press-
ingly and pathetically urged his suit, and eventually
succeeded in extracting from the kind-hearted clergy-
man 3s. After an abundance of thanks, and reiterated
protestations of his determination to repay the
money on Thursday, he bade Mr. Tagert good
morning, and left. Encouraged by this success,
he resolved w make some further use of his couti-
tryman's kindliest, and with this purpose he returned
the following day. He said he had paid the 3s. for the
bad, but the people of the house bad told him, unless he
took it for a week, they should let it to some other per-
son, whom they represented as anxious to engage it;
now the bed was very. clean and comfortable, and ho
should be very loath to give it up,—would Mr. Tagert
help him with the loan of a_ few shillings more
until Thurz.day• next ? ho would he sure to
repay it then, for since he was there on the
preceding day he had (-rot some engagement in
view with a Mr. l)oel, a builder, in Fore-street, as a

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painter, end a further favour would be conferred by
giving him a letter recommending him to Mr. Doel.
Mr. Teg,art, who was at the time just about leaving his
house on some engagement, cut this conference short
by handing the applicant ss. (which he said would be
sufficient to last until Thursday), and by declining,
for the present to write any letter of recommendation.
On the following day Mr. Tagert was favoured with
another visit, an told by his persevering countryman
how much he felt obliged for the kindness shown him,
and how he would on the following day return
the money he had received, and ended by the singular
request that Mr. Tagert would still further increase his
already deep debt of gratitude by lending him a shirt!
He had been invited by some person to dinner, and had
not a clean shirt to put on. Mr. Tagert hinted that his
shirts were much too large, but, not to be put off by an
ordinary rebuff, the young man said, oh, he would
make the shirt fit beautifully and re-urged his
:,uit with so much effect that Mr. Tagert
sent his servant for a clean shirt, and handed it to
!he applicant, who expressed his thanks, and left,
again promising to return the next day with the money
aed the shirt. Thursday passed and Mr. Tagert saw
nothing of his "friend." On Friday the youth still
kept in the " shade," and Mr. Tagert began to think he
had been duped. However, he was not desirous of
losing his money and his shirt easily, so ho was deter-
mined, if possible, to find out the gentleman. He dis-
covered at length that a man answering to his descrip-
tion had been seen by Mr. Doel, at the " Black Horse,"
and Mr. Tagert requested if he should come again that Mr.
Doel would immediately send for him. The clock having
struck eleven Mr. T. gave him up for the night, and
proceeded to go to bed, but when half undressed a mes-
sage came that "the gentleman" had arrived. Mr. T.
immediately put on his clothes, and arming himself with
a massive crab-stick, proceeded to the house of Mr.
Dee!, who showed him into a room, and having intro-
dured the " young Irishman," left tho room, closing the
door after him. Neither spoke for a moment, hut Mr.
Tegort, who is a tall muscular man, looked fall and
steadily upon the sharper, who atter u pause, said, " I
see lam done, sir." " Yes," responded Mr. Tagert,
" You are done, as I will teach you, although you thought
to do me; " you see this stick ?" (elevating his ponderous
weapon), "Yes, Sir, I could not well help seeing it,"
or in a few minutes you
Well, sir, repay me the 83.,
will feel it." The prospect was not a pleasant one, and,
again acknowledging he was done, the impudent scoun-
drel dived his hand into his pocket, in which lie had
more money than Mr. Tagart required, and brought up
the Bs., and handed it over with far more reluctance and
far less u'ereee than he r ceived it. Mr. Tegert then
'mid, " But now for the shirt." "He was very sorry,
ts,u:vtntelyshriertturlls9
itn.,o,t in the house; if Mr. Tagert
nwould give him until the morning be would
a misiteogmeelrernien,t"tol
bnei usptlahyaovde iwtittzntiie:ehty.7)uSn
"No, no," said the per-'
!.7.1101 ~:avyc. ittn.°4l:',..innr geeimngahnesahiadd,
'• Welt, sir, I will. t once take you to where the shirt i.,,
On !cavity, the Black Horse they took
‘Vi e. Thinking
f,ina the slip, Mr. "
welker and runner,
and made a eraetienler
ne saw him would
applicatibillien'.
wouldtirnc
f , flfidi lir thit, if he attempted to
ehsitsreet,Cand dawn towards Mount
hT:avh(l,
:.jnrnet: t
esdvaiei„ondi might.uanl o
wasbe - t oa
ggoiovde
eau ) difficulty :
hhi net
ire
bit 1 believing;,
tinext
i ni
to
str.n4er who
quite care
hsueresahmeerun
,from him, he
00 time, and,
thedo v,,intiirtthodirntl., Tahnedy passed
Rich.
' Pethaes catch a blow ,'
f, om. his crag-stick, whieh would not eavity be forgotten.
rnight leake
acrosswould
:Jo preteeted he ha Ti? intspon of running, but
mrakoeunthimivisteo,
you t) where the shirt is, eon-
teat to walk with
towards it, therefore
mend-walk, when Mr. Tagert said, "I am eon-
but I have no wish to be walking about all night, and
I do not think you are going

First

COAL MARKS'
Chester Main 125 9d'
East Adairs
ElowareA's W. H. Neth. 14s 6d;
Longridge'sW.Hartley 145 6d,
Wylam
Wall's End, &e.

Gosforth
Marton
Hotspur l2s 6di
Lawson
Northumberland
13s Od
Eden Main
13raddyll
Burnhope.... ........ 13a Od
Hetton
Haswell lss 6d
Lambton
Lumley l3s 6d
Ships at m

g N a 5 23 79 g
A' e,
Colchester 5 44 460 4 718
Harwich
Leigh
Mallon . 382' 166 3501 36 177, 40 470
CHELMSFORD, MARCH 14.—Prices to-day were as follow:
Wheat, white, old 428 to 465; new 41s to 465; red, old

CHELMSFORD, MARCH 14.—Prices ,day were follow:
Wheat, white, old 428 to 465; new 41s to 465; red, old
:363 to 41s ; new, 36s to 40s ; barley, 25s to 29s ; chevalier
2ls to 293; grinding 18s to 243; oats 153 to 20s; malt 53,
to 55s ; chevalier 54s to 56s ; peas, partridge, new 27e to
29s ; old, —s to --s ; white, new, 26, to 288 ; old, —s to —s;
dun, new, 26s to 28s ; beans, tick, new 24s to 26s ; old, 24s
to 275; harrow ticks, new 253 to 275; old 00s to 00s; ma-
zagan, new 23s to 25s ; old 00s to 00s per qr.
COLCHESTER, MARCH 15.—Wheat, white 42s to 465; red 361
to 40,3; barley 228 to 281; beans, mazagan 22s to 23s ; middle
and small 24s to 28s; peas 26s to 28, per qr.
HADDINGTON, MARCH 14.—The following are the prices of
grain at our market to-day:—
Wheat. I Barley. '
... 503 Od ! 323 Od

Oats.
233 Od

Beans.
31s Od

Second ... ... 39s 2d 2Bs 9d 2os 9d 27s 5d
Third ... .. 34s Od 21s 6d 17s Od 25s Od
Total quantity of Wheat in market 309 qrs., 309 sold
Do. Barley do. 209 qrs., 208 sold
Do. Oats do. 521 qrs., 508 sold
Do. Beans do. '219 qrs., 203 sold
GLASGOW, MAS.eI 12.—Provisions—Cheese, 33s to 42s Od
per cwt ; retail, 5d to 6d per lb. Skim milk, 20s Od to Os per
cwt. Country fresh butter, Ild to Od per lb. Irish pow-
dered, in lumps, 10d to 103/4c; country powdered, wholesale, 8d
to Od. Country eggs, 8d per dozen ; carried hen ditto, 56 Od
per 120, or 63/4d per dozen. Hens, 2s 9d per pair; Ducks,
2s 6d.

FALKIRK, M &xeu 13.—Tho supply of grain in this day's
market was 787 bolls; wheat at 17s Od to 21s 04 per boll;
barley, 16s 3d to 18s Od ; oats, 12s 6d to 15s Od; beans, 12s 9J
to 15s Od per boll ; oatmeal, Os to Os per load.
PERTH, ].ARCM 14.—Wheat, old, 00s Od to Os Od; ditto,
new, 35s to 395; barley, new, 19s Od to 21s Od; oats, 13s to
175 ; peas and beans, 22s Od to 21s per quarter. Oatmeal,
per sack, 00s to 285.
Kimso, Melte 14.—Wheat, old, 285 to 211 s; ditto, new, 185
to 30s 041; barley, new, 12s Od to 17s 6d ; ditto old, Os to Os;
potato oats,oos to 00s Od ; ditto new, 12s to 14s Od ; common
oats 005 Od to 00s Od ; ditto new, 115 to 13s Od ; peas, 19, Od
to 20s Od; beans, 19s to 20s per boll of six imperial bushels.
STIRLING, MARCIA 14.—Wheat, foreign, 20s to 245; ditto.
home, Os to Os; ditto ditto new, 185 Od to 20s Od; barley, per
boll of 6 bushels, Os Od to Os Od; ditto new, 15, 6d to 175 6d.
Oats, common, 00s Od to 00s ; ditto new, 10e Od to 12a 6d;
ditto, Flemish, Os Od to Os Od; ditto ditto new, 00s Od; malt,
distillers, 31a 6d to 331; ditto brewers, 32s 6d to 34s ; beans
per boll, 00s Od to 00s Od; ditto new, 1 is 3d to 14s 6d; pease 00,
ud to 00s Od; flour, new per sack, 315 to 33s Od; ditto common
ditto, 18s 6d to 20s Od; oatmeal, per load, 005 Od to o,)s Od;
ditto new 26s Od to 265 6d ; ditto per peck of 71b5, 71d to 814;
fresh butter, per lb, 9d to lld ; eggs, per dozen, 6d to 7d ;
hay per ton, Os Od to Os ; ditto new, 80s Od to 845.
BERWICK, MARCH 13.—Wheat, 345 9d ; barley, 225 9id ;
oats, 18s 10Id ; rye, 00s Od ; beans, 00s Od ; peas, 00s Od
average per imperial quarter.
HAwicK, M&i cii 13.—Wheat, new, 18s to 30s Od; barley,
new, 12a to 17s 6d ; ditto eld, 00s Od to 00s Od ; potato oats,
12s Od to 14s Od ; common oats, lls Od to 145 ; peas, 19a Od
to 20a Od ; beans, 19s Od to 205 Oel per boll of six imperial
bushels.

7.—YEBTXRDAY.
'Richmund ..... 13s 9d
Hutton
jSt owart's
Whitwell
'Denison l3s 3d
:Hartlepool
Eieugh Hall
Kelloe.. ......... 14s 6d
I Thornley
4Whitworth . l2s 6d
Backhouse
Maclean's Tees l2s 9
Pease's West... l2s Gd
Seymour Tees
Tees
Birchg. Graigola 19s Od
Cowpen Hartley
Hartley ...... . 13s 6d
Sidney's Hartley
arket. 188.

SEABORNE MAILS.
[N signifies that the mails are sent front the General Post-oftice
by the night—and M by the morning—dispatch.]

When made up in Fromwhat
PLACES. General Post-office port dis- When
Londoi. patched. due.
America (by Brit. pkt.)N March 2S Liverpool • • March 26
America (by U.S. pkt.) N March 21 .. Liverpool .. Arrived
America (by U.S. pkt.) M March 26 .. Southampt. April 5
Africa (West coast).. N 14th of the month Plymouth April 3
Alexandria* ........ N 19th & 30th of mo. Dover .. March 18
Belgium • • .. N Daily Dover .. Daily
Brazil .. . .. 31 9th of the month Southampt. April 12
Buenos Ayres • • .. •hi 9th of the month Southampt. April 12
California(viaChagres) M 17th of month Southampt. March 20
Cape of Good Hope N 14th of month Plymouth.. April 3
Constantinople* .. N 7th 17th 27th of mo Dover .. March 20
Central America .. M2d & 17th of mon. Southampt. March 20
Channel Isles • • .. N Mon., Wed., &Fri. Southampt. Ta. Th.Sa
Chill M 17th of the month Southampt. March 20
France & N Twice daily .. .. Dover • • Twicedaily
Greece* • • .. N 7th 17th 27th ef mo Dover March 20
llamburgh N Tuesday & Friday London .. Tues. Sat.
Holland .. Wednea. & Satur. London .. Mos.Ther
Honduras .. N 17th of the mouth Southampt. March 20
Ireland .. • • Aff & NlTwice daily Holyhead .. Twicedaily
India(via Southamp.) M2oth of the month Southampt. March 2*,
India (via Marseilles) N 7th& 24th ofmonth Dover • • March 20
Mediterranean (via
Southampton) .. M 20th of the month Southampt. Marsh 28
Mediterranean (via
Marseilles) N 7th&24tlit ofmonth Dover • • March 20
Mexico .. 2d of the month.. Southampt. April 5
Madeira .. M 9th of the month Southampt. April 12
Malta* 7th,17th,1901,27th } Dover March 18
& 30th of month
Naples* .• N sth 15th 25th ofmo Dover .. March 22
Papal States* N sth 15th 25th of mol Dover .. March 22
reninsular .. • • .. N 7th 17th 27th of mo. Southampt. April 24
Pere •• 17th 01 the month ISouthampt. March 28
Tuscany* .. N sth 15th 25th of mo Dover .. March 22
West Indies .. 3I 17th of the month Southampt. March 22
West Indies (except
Havanna & Nassau) M 2d of the month .. Southampt. April 5
* The mails to those countries thus marked (*) are conveyed by
French packet via Marseilles.

GOOD FOR lIOAASENESS.—Mrs. Billington, the
queen of all English singers, came one night to Drury-lane
Theatre, to perform Mandane, in Artaxerxes, so hoarse as
to re ?der it a question whether it would be possible for her
to appear before the audience. To add to her perplexity,
her maid had mislaid the key of her jewel-box, but persisted
that her mistress must have got it with her. " What can I
have done with it ?" said the syren. " I suppose I must
have swallowed it without knowing it." "And a lucky
thing, too,' said Wewitzer, "it may perhaps serve to open
your chest."

SINGULAR ACCIDENT.—Last evening a cabman
named Masters had driven to the stand near the border of the
Channel, with the view of getting a fare from the pas iengere
by the Harwich steamer. After the vessel had arrived, and
whilst she was blowing off her steam, the horse, a blind one,
became frightened, and as the driver was in the act of open-
i•lg the door in orde, to put two passengers inside the cab,
issuddenly started off, stumbled down the declivity, and re-
gaining his feet hurried intojtho Channel. For a moment
the horse kept his h ad above the water, but the weight of
the cab soon sunk it, and in a minute the sweeping tide car-
ried both horse and vehicle down the river far beyond the
reach of help.—lpswich Express.

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The Marquis of Lansdowne, Lord President of the Coun-
ci►, returned to town yesterday, from his seat, Bowood Park,

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

I it' `'s OF CC , 171; (.:7?
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.

ANCHOR ASSURANCE (No. 2) BILL.
This BE was read a second time.
EAST iTONEHOUSE WATERWORKS BILL.
This Bil was read a second time.
GENERAL REVERSIONARY AND INVEST-
MENT COMPANY BILL.
This Bib was also read a second time.

EVENING, MARCH 18, 1851.

( of the country, but also placing the motion in the
light of orm

Lurti was iueriectly aware that there was no other party
in the country ready to take office. The question was
one of long standing, and though the Noble 'Lard all of a
sudden affected virtuous indignation, ho must have ex-
pected it for some time, and indeed it was only in con-
sequence of the extraordinary course in refusing
to produce the evidence which had delayed the motion
so long. The House must therefore admit that he was
not liable to the charge of obstructing the business of
the country. He could perfectly well understand the
difficulties the Noble Lord was placed in, and his anxiety
to escape from those difficulties; and that, per-
haps, anticipating defeat upon this motion,
he did not wish to have the trouble of pre-
paring those measures which it was his duty
to bring before the country. The Noble Lord was,
however, mistaken if ho thought that he (Mr. Baillie)
would be made the instrument of his being allowed to
escape from the duties which the public exigency
called upon him to perform. The course, therefore,
which he should take would be to remove
his motion from the notice book, reserving
to himself the leave of bringing it forward again at a
time when it would not render him liable to the charge
of impeding public, business.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL had no reason to complain of
the grounds on which the Hon. Member for Inverness,
shire had founded his motion, but he had great reason to
complain of the form in which that motion had been
framed. The House would be at no loss to construe the
object of the Hon. Gentleman, or of those who partook
of his opinions in bringing forward the motion. He did
not object to the motion, but he did object to the mode
by which that motion bad been brought before the
House. He did say that, on the present occasion, the
motion of the Hon. Member was neither more nor less
than to pass a vote of censure on the Government. There
were reasons why this motion should be brought on, and
he could perfectly understand why a vote of censure
should be obtained against the Government, especially
in a case in which the Secretary of State and the
governor of one of the principal of her Majesty's
colonies were concerned. What he had chiefly to com-
plain of was, that any member of a great party should
bring a motion before this House under circumstance;
from which it was impossible for his opponents to meet
it in a fair and candid manner.—(Hear, hear.) He was
not prepared to say what course the Government would
pursue, but he complained of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Baillie) deferring his motion at a time when every ma-
terial was in his hands against Lord Torrington, a Peor
of the realm, when his L viship was pr-'sent in tht,
country.—(Hear, bear.) It was contrary to the prac-
tice of a great party to bring forward such
motion as this, and then when the part)
who brought it forward was perfectly aware
of the influence which it must of necessity have,
viz., the effect of a vote of censure upon the Government,
to defer it. It seemed simply planned in wanton
mischief, and he believed that the House would readily
respond to his opinion, that a motion, in which the cha-
racter of a Noble Lord was implicated, and which charged
him with gross and unnecessary cruelty, ought not to
be entertained, or if entertained, ought not to be deterred
to any future time for consideration.—(The Noble Lord.
who had been loudly and repeatedly cheered, sat down
amid loud applause.)

Mr. DISItAELI'said that he must remind the House
and the Noble Lord that this was no new question. They
should remember that it was a question which had now
been two years before the House, and that a Committee
had expressly declared for the publication of those
papers, which were alike necessary for the discussion of
this question and for the satisfaction of the country.—
(Hear, hear.) This was a matter of the greatest
public interest and importance, and yet the Noble
Lord desired them to legislate, in the absence of every
document, through the evidence of which alone could
they come at a right decision.—(Heekr, hear.) His Hon.
Friend tha Member for Inverness-shire had applied at
the Secretary's office, and had been told that the papers
for which he applied had been returned to Ceylon,
being necessary to he produced on the court-martial
upon Captain Watson.—(Hear, hear.) All that he
could obtain were copies of the documents, every one of
which ought to have been laid on the table of
the House a fortnight before. Now mark this. A
copy of the evidence taken before the commis-
sion could not be required by the court-
martial at Ceylon, because the authenticated copy
of the evidence would not be admissible before
the court.—(Hear, hear.) The court martial were
in possession of the original evidence.—(Hear, bear.)
What necessity, then, was there for sending back the
copy ?—(Cheers.) The reason, therefore, given by the
Under-Secretary of State for sending back the copy was
not only extraordinary, but unparalleled, and under all
the circumstances, to say the least of it, most unsatis-
factory.—(Hear, hear.) And yet, under all these cir-
cumstances, the House having only just received the
evidence taken before a Committee which sat two years—
not yet being in possession of all the documents
submitted to the consideration of the Committee, and the
House having just discovered a strange and suspicious cir-
cumstance with respect to the evidence taken by the Com-
mission sent out to Ceylon, the first Minister got up, and
assuming a tone of virtuous indignation appealed to the
House against what he called the unfair conduct of a
great party.—(Cheers.) Now had the Minister been in the
position which no doubt he wished to be, the House
would have heard,nothing of this complaint—(Cheers)—
for the Minister would have been the last man who could
wish to come to a conclusion upon a great judicial ques
lion of such importance as this in the absence
of the necessary documents, and after such
inexplicable conduct on the part of the
department whose policy was attacked.—(Hear, hear.)
He thought his Honourable Friend had taken that course
which good sense and feeling alike dictated, and he fin
one had no objection to appeal to the verdict of the
country as to his conduct on this occasion.—(Cheers.)
Sir GEORGE GREY said the House could scarcely
overlook the remarkable difference that existed between
the arguments of the Honourable Gentleman the
Member for Inverness-shire and that of his friend, his
leader, and his protector on the occesion.—(A. laugh.)
He (Sir George Grey) was in the House when the Hoe
Gentleman gave his notice in a clear and deliberate
manner, and he heard him distinctly state that he should
so submit it to the House on the 26th instant.
(Hear, hear.) -Andelsow, when his Noble Friend
at the head of the Government asks him whether he in-
tends to proceed with his motion on that day, the Hon.
Gentleman does not say that he is not pre-
pared to submit his charge to the House, but
he says he will not stand in the way of that im
portant business which he holds to be the im-
perative duty of Ministers to bring before the
House.—(Hear, hear.) That was what the Honourable
Gentleman said himself, but what said his leader? Why
he let the real reason out; ho said they were not pre-
pared under present circumstances to bring the question
torward.—(Hear, hear.) So then the Hon. Gentleman
circulated a serious charge throughout the country
against noblemen and the Government, and now it
seemed it was not his intention to bring it for.
ward.—(Cries of " Oh, oh.") Nay, be might
go the length of saying that he dared not bring it
on.—(ols, oh, and cheers.) Now, as it was a judicial
question they were to consider, he hoped at least thin
was not a specimen of the spirit in which the inquiry
would be opened and conducted.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK, being much interested in the wel-
fare of the colonies, listened to this discussion with
soma degree of pain.--(Hear, hear.) The Honourable
Gentleman the Member for Inverness-shire had, from
the commencement of this transaction, expressed strong
opinions with regard to the conduct of Lord Torring-
ton, and with great credit to himself he had carried
the matter before a Committee of the House, who
had taken two years to investigate it.—(Hear, hear.)
And now the Hon. Gentleman brought a serious charge
against Lord Torrington, and had given a formal notice
of the day on which he proposed to go into it, but be-
cause the Noble Lord at the head of the Government
considered the notice a vote of censure on his Govern-
ment, which, if established, would destroy the confidence
of the House in the Administration, the Honourable
Gentleman declined to press his motion for the pre-
sent.—(Cries of " Hear.") The conclusion which
he deduced from all this was that the Government was
weak, and because of that weakness the interest of the
country and the colonies was to be sacrificed, and a
serious charge allowed: to hang over the head
of a Noble Lord recently: presiding over one of the
colonies of England.—(Hear, hear.) Now, was it fair
to delay this question?—was it fair to hold up Lord
Torrington to the scorn and indignation of the country
for an indefinite period under such a pretence as that
which had been assigned in favour of the delay ?—(Hear,
hear.) The excuse put forth to justify this postpone-
ment was nothing less than a pretence—a sham, and,
as it related to a distinct criminal charge, it would be dis-
graceful alike to the House and the Government if those
who preposed it ware not pressed to go on with it at once.
But of all the persons who were wrong none were more
so than the Honourable Member for Bucking-
hamshire—(Laughter)—who had shown he was
totally unacquainted with the whole matter, and
had brought forward some charge against the
Colonial-office wholly unconnected with the
matter in hand, and who fabricated—if he might use the
expression without dishonour—aa accusation which the
Hon. Member for Inverness-shire never thought of.—
(Laughter.) It was quite clear that this course had
been adopted for party purposes.—(Loud cheers.)
Let the people of this, country understand that
all their great interests—colonies, finance, and other im-
portant matters of legislation—were all now in abeyance
in consequence of the proceedings of some twenty gen-
tlemen opposite.—(l.leer.) Of this he thought there
could be no doubt, that when a men wv; charg,d
openly with a crime by a M‘mher of the House, who
said he had evidence in proof of his .tecusatioe, common
justice—(Cheers)—ordinary good foci g, plain honest
good faith, and fair play required that tte re
should be no shrinking from that charge.--7
(Cheers.) He (Mr. Roebuck) knew little of the
circumstances, but whatever might be his opiniou
as to the result of the charge if it came before a jury,
he thought the accuser was bound us an honest man—ar.4
he demanded it in the name of his country--r
(" Hear" from the Protectionists)—he thought that the
Honourable Member who represented himself as the
accuser of this man should now make his charge, and.
if he could, endeavour to justify that charge.—(Cheers.)
And lot no emu treat this matter lightly.—(Hear, hear.)
Lot every one suppose for a moment that this was his
oen case. (Hear.) The Noble Lord was charged with
no less a crime than murder—(deer)—he was charged
with having committed that murder when he repro.
sented this country in Ceylon. If there were any
crimes that was one.—(Hear.) He honoured a mar. for 1
bringing a great criminal to justice, but he could not
say ho honoured that individual who made ti grievous

acenfition, mud who Afterwards, he mizht say. skulked

that had fatten trom the Hun. and Learned Gentleman;
and he would say, further,, that ho thought it utterly
impossible for the Noble Lord at the head of the Go-
vernment to pursue any other course than that whieh
he had adopted.—(Cheers.) It must be admitted by every
impartial person that the motion of his Hon. Friend the
Member for Inverness-shire was nothing more nor less
than a vote of censure on the G.(vprin(-rit, and with (hat
hanging over his h,,au how could the Nobi, L (rd bring
forward the financial arrangements of the Government?
(Hear.) A governor of the colony and a peer of the
realm, as the Hon. and Learned Member had stated, was
charged with the crime of murder. He would ask why
the Hon. Member gave notice of such a motion, and then
allowed it to drop ? It would only b 3 an act of fairness
and justice to bring the subject before the House of Lords,
where that Noble Lord, as welt as the Noble Earl at the
head of the colonial department, might meet their ac-
cusers man to man and answer the charge made against
them, and where they might be enabled to give a fair
and legitimate account of the course of conduct they had
pursued.
The matter then dropped.
ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL—ADJOURNED

hand, the states of H011...nd, since their fr,edAm from the

• • • •","
prosperity and liberty of England were owing.' to the
Reformatio. —(Hear, hear.) Scotla poul
nd owed its rosperity
to a similar cause. In Switzerland the traveller could tell,
by the very aspect of the people, which canton was
Roman Catholic and which Protestant. In Canac"t
da
the distinction between Roman Catholic distri
and Protestant districts was most marked. the
United States the same result prevailed. So in Mexico, se
in Ir. land—(Hear)—and in ether places where the OP IA
Catholic system existed. These examples were must strik-
ing ; but he did not mean or wish to attribute the cause-
quencea which ere witnessed in Roman Catholic code untries•
to the peculiarities of the creed of Rome.—( Hear.) at;
tributed them to the Ecclesiastical system of Ronee.—.(lieer'i
To no other cause could he attribute the difference which
he had pointed out. These examples strongly proved the!
it was the duty of every Government who valued civil and
religious liberty to see that the progress of the Roman
Catholic system be checked. (Hear.) With respect !I
dad
introduction of the Papal bull into this country, be
not consider that any portion of a bull which conteinplattit
purely spiritual objects ought to be legislated aganst. fetid
purely spiritual matters were to be met, they must be met is!,
a different way— not by legislation, but by reaioning anvil
by the diffusion ofeound and Scriptural educatian.--(ll,ear*:
But the Papal movement had an aspect' ei
very different kind. He affirmed it .as an aggression, 90d
an aggression upon those principles which ought:
be respected and kept sacred by every Roman Cattiehe-::
(Hear, hear.) The very basis of the compact 00829 war
that the Pope was to have no temporal power in te7,
country. He could not regard the introduction of the l'apsl
bull otherwise than as an infringement of that
(Hear, hear.) The sole object of the bull, and
establishment of a hierarchy, was to introduce tbe airs
law, which was, in reality, intended to interfere wit
temporal action of the laws of this country. (11e°' ?JO/
There needed no other proof than the distinct avoW__
Cardinal Wiseman in his pastoral address. Cardinal 1V 15°-
man stated—
ler
" All that we plead against is, the adoption in snY
sure of that preposterous cant of the age, that the r.ece no,
power, as such, is bound by its duty to God to exten'!
stances which may attach to each separate case.
creedeaysisre
toleration to all religions, irrespective of the peculiar carcclinn,
every man has a right to adopt s lch a religious,
pleases is upon to say, also, that the temptlririlapeup"r7p,,,
never called to pit obstacles in tbe way . erfectly
gation of religious errors, is also untrue; but
i"s
Pend on
true that the English law professes to tolerate
that ground, as well as on our indefeasible rightaus;
clairas of the
true Church, while we meddle not with the
sects about us, we take our stand." following
It was suggested it could be only in one of the two
formsfull coned'
" Either the Holy See must issue another and
would
tution, which would supply all wants, but which
r...uinil
necessarily complicated and voluminous, and, ss a...sand
provision, would necessarily be temporary, sir the '''dod to
complete code of the Church must be at once extended with
the only
the Catholic Church in England, so far as compatihie
its social position; and this provision would be final._ment,
in order to a opt this second and mere natural exp.'
one condition was necessary, and that was, the Catholicturnerk
have a hierarchy. The canon law is inapplicable 3
vicars apostolic.' it should
So, therefore, when Rome was considering how,.„°. a
accede to the application made to it, it decided on law.ereelim
hierarchy solely with the view of introducing the cant?! 7;e
If that canon law was introduced, he asserted it vinnta,lith
the Court of Rome power to interfere in this countric.
temporal matters.— (Hear, hear.) He asserted the do
iieriputy'
of the canon law was no antiquated law. There were Pa JO
of mo ern proo:s of this, and he need only refer to the.
asserted of Reiffensteul that the Pope
Canonicum," published in :831, at Rome, in which theft
ecclesiastical constitution for the whole world, and, te.na. ae
of Christ, had a supreme power, if necessary., of Pet 0.0
disposing of all temporal goods of all Christians.
confined
clear, therefore, that the object of hierarchy WAS 110 t
_we
to temporal things. It was right, therefore, for the legs
which
of the country in such a case to uphold the principles 0n.riff.....1
the Emancipation Act was granted, and to interfere.— (t!coliVf
The essential feature of the hierarchy was the introducti° ht
had a right to iniavicrir
the canon law, and as that was so r,bjectionable, it oog
to be met by fitting legislation. Then the assumption ;
titles was undoubtedly an evasion of the Queen's rigbt, and
was the exclusive right of the Sovereign t confer titles, of
the Pope had, therefore, no right to assume the nowe,rho
conferring titles on British sebjects as he had dond
, to
main objection to the Government measure, and, indee,
any legislation at all on this question, was, that nothing,w_."
to be feared from the acts and spread' of Popery—that tine"
had changed—and that Popery was not the same now as
lint
former ages. But he felt surprised at this assertion, °no
was perfectly clear that Rome had only not been quad:,
mischievous in all ages and places, because kept int
duo restraint. It was said that the Bill would fettes
religious liberty. They who argued so argued as if t„heila
were the great advocates of that principle. He was
cer7
that such views were not the views of Roman Cathel
generally. Many large bodies of Roman Catholics did n°.
catholic
entertain that view. In the Rambler, a Roman
the
ere statementstruly represented
made
by the v. ime we
ms publication, he found a statement, which, in his op an
boefrsßlinthanat
maintained that no man had a right to bring religions liberty ,
into contact with civil liberty ; and he contended that th):
were the best defenders of religious liberty who took car;
that civil liberty was net infringed. He was satisfied tit
good would flow,from what had taken place. The rlgh"
principle to act upon in this instance was prineipiis obsta.
With respect to the measure, he did not think it sulfide:4Y
comprehensive. He thought a condemnation of the ilitt7
duction of the bull of the Pope ought to have been insert,L"'
CHaetuhseoli.csßutht turb:
and a declaration prohibiting such an act, under pentinV
for the future. Believing, however, that the Bill had been
introduced in a spirit of sincerity, he was prepared to give 3
his support.

Mr. E. B. ROCHE said, that the Honourable Gentleman
who had just sat down, had served up same of the stale doe'
trines of Exeter Hall.—(Hear, hear.) He had said that Jr"
land was an example of the baneful effects of the Roman
Catholic religion, but he should rather say it was an extury
pie of the baneful effect that was growing up under their
Protestant laws which were supported- by Protestant bar-
' nets. Ireland, instead of being a stigma upon the Rant.
Catholic faith, was a disgrace to Protestants, because sa
was governed entirely in opposition to the feelings of the
country. He held this measure to be an infringement of the
Emancipation Act. The Act was the charter of Roman C..",:
tholic liberties, which they were attempting to invade. Ton
did invade those liberties, and therefore he would oPPeos
it. The first clause of this Bill, be asserted broadly. wi.asiia
,great an opposition to the endowment of the Roman CAtil,to
,Church•as either of the two clauses expunged This Bui of
a retrograde movement, and going back to the legislition i.
past ages. During the debates respecting the Catholic erna32
pation, in 1829, the Duke of Wellington stated that in ' lot
a law was passed in Ireland to prohibit any Catholic 111,ita
from assuming titles; but it was repealed in 1793,1 at it
effect of the Bill was found so intolerant and unjust " were
was repealed, and up to 1:•29 the priests and prelettobo,
t v
ree to assume any titles they pl
ery improperly, eased. In 1819 the bandon
lies consented, and he though
to A ~„. of
their liberties to a certain extent, and not to assumetu3;oo
places belongitig to Protestant bishops. N nvi tigt wo
called u• on to go back to the legislation of 1793. to h.
legislating upon a principle of which they ought There
ashamed, in the middle of the nineteenth centug,•..,,, oero
was another reason for him to oppose the Bill. .Iwvoire-
attempting to impose an Act which they called Sly ffan , it
hensive Act; but as it could not be extended to ar_ue'ronent
was a oelusion upon th-, people at large. If GeTwbether
exten led this Bill to Ireland, he asked them cantor@
they were prepared to carry it nut? Would they bad law*
to appeal to a Catholic jury ? They bad
that die"
and dissatisfaction enough in Ire and, and ,_ d laws
satisfaction was increased by us black
upon the statute-book. This Bill would go into the bad
list, and they were therefore enc/ uragingthe resPcint.
spirit of dissatisfaction. Upon them would rest__, into tine
sibility.- (Hear.) A bull similar to that intredu_Crichen the
country had formerly been sent to Sydney, a`:,140 was then
Protestant bishop complained, Lord StanleY, 1v.`,,_,0, affair
and
maintaining that a
Colonial Secretary, said he did not consider it "j
the Government. How then could they turn undnOW arid
say the bull really interfered with the Queen' - arrived 14...
He did not believe that any man in this country.
- that there
the years of discretion, believed it. He believed
nt*V. which, I
was in this country a puritanical spirit of big7.llOpe, and it
many cases, had been got up by Protestant h .
...t,,, which
was bowing to this spirit of intolerance and hit-''-'.. inanultiti
made them now attack this unfortunate Dr• h
A 110ther e-sred
this country. Now they were going to u" a- 0014"
thing, to extend it to Scotland, where no one
.lansa intr.?"
the Queen's supremacy. There was to be a v biahops is
duced to meet the case of the EpisenPalian al'Llalei al-
Scotland, who were in the same position ash :_„-s in ar--
Ireland, and why not meet the case of the 119"r.__:natice.
land. If they did not, it would be monstrotub
is la;
country:,
They did things in Ireland, which, if done
_s in
_tand on ea
r 4";). supreneact.
would make the very hair of their heads to '
said to theen, Yon
That That was justice to Ireland. They
Irish Papists, you shall have nothin;.
hat Wilt-- eke
We will place bow bow
chains upon you." He wanted to have to To.
believe.% to
they exrmpted bishops in Scotland and PirinoPeseu
the very same thing penal in Ireland.
_..d extett.„ed
Bill was introduced by the Noble Lord a,t„ Este.b'''':nd
Ireland, for the purpose of bolstering ire „I._'iajuattesee_i_,4
Church in Ireland. That Church was baseu 'Xi" vies gna
It .11 ISS Si'
ether ert the
reason f.a. voting against the ill alteg_ary to suPP moon
was a badge of conquest, and he thougbt Le
by some people that the Bill
.Bas nec,es9e
then ilar q.u,
uotet
Protestant Church in England. In 2 said'
protestant
was mooted, and respectable old gentlemen
admit the Catholics, or
Church altogether." At that time
you will destroyatrabeendmentw;
'lathe peke °f. ve to
proposed similar to the present Bill, but
__lira it mu
~,1
lington did not support it, and said he wasu,°;4. intro('
teliava
security to the Established Church, 1
b the
to plunder those who were opposed to e...
Act. Earl Malmesbury, who had bee.llc. 'Zia ag reed t,
Emancipation Act, said, now that that A;_,,.uses of A a.',._
he would not consent to the introduction of n"!.,0 no secure Jr
qualifying character, as he considered they
aga_!.hat were the
to the Church. He (Mr. Roche) bad show,:
Einaec_llllloo
opinions of lieu who had been opposed to t
Ile'''. -this
Act. He bed that the present Billwwolduld
rion in
er
been introduced but for the spread of Tracts la
ot the dailjg r
country. But the danger of
,the Pope was
that
h other dtsbnignie
which alarmed the Noble Lord ; it was t leacheg d all
front within the Church itself, and which was whey ha ,
he said, to the very brink of the precipice.
.. •af whom 11!
heard a great deal of the Rev. Mr. Bennett,
said they must
It was - not others
wished to speak with great resect. there - would
EnistAncitpoa_
o_o,
screw him down to the rubric; but were unt be
in the
they must screw up to it? - (Hear, hear.)fac':
call the attention of the Noble Lord to the Rtotabis,tTrinity•
Chapel Royal, St. James's, and the ChaPei,e way in which
College, Dublin, the rubric was violated by tu ..,
member thetit
the c, mmunion table was placed. The Eon. _ prayer,
mglithe rubric
read extracts from " Stevens's Bo k
for the purpose of showing that in many "set one singlet
was either omitted or altered. They had not one
the W
as not full o ~.t
edition of their prayer book which w
had shown thorn ti"
glaring inaccuracies. Now,of Com "
and by fifteen bighoPl,
Prince Albert, by three archbishops
the Chapel Roy
in which it was stated, that neither in . .
C llege, Pub-
Trinity 0.
there was a prayer book patronisedhe
by his Royal Nightie'.
to the
dministered according .
lin, could the'communion be a .
St. James's, nor in the CnaPel Royal,
les-
'thic or the statute ,
not full of inaccurac
...
edition of their Prayer book that was
with his Blin•
He warned the Noble Lord against proceeding
tom
eet
with
If Ministers persevered, they mast be prepared
ear.hpeopie of
law • and that, in fact, there was riot one
every opposition in Ireland.-(Hear,
their 0 , h
notwithl
• they bad been true to their religion,
.., one
For centuries
and they would be true • reit.
standing Persecution,
.
was their . .
blessings the people possessed
of the greatest
Ireland would not permit religion tc. be interfered with.
to
them,disgraceful and any
themselves, but a
that religion was not only to Id (}lear'
nd a disgrace in the eyes of the wor •
stigma a f they
se than slaves,
gion—it was very dear
submitted to such laws_ He (Mr. Roche) bad
had pro_
hear.) They would be slaves, and wore
increase the irritation which the proposed measure then Onrse
duced in Ireland; but he warned Ministers that
that
they were taking was the way to create rebellion . . in it
country—(Hear, hear)-aad he feared it they pe teu
no desire to