The Sun.
London, England, 1851-07-19 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT..

(THIS DAY.)

HOUSEO---''-.F COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at a few minutes vast
Twelve, o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords' amendments to the Midland B,ailwa V (Ex-
tension of Time, &e.)lt, were considered and agi Red ri)*
The following 13111 s were read a third time and pat sed;--
Jackson's Estate.
Let h bridge's Est ate.

Nationa'land Company Dissolving.
The Duko of Bridgewater's Estate Bill was read *
A.,eone time.
FEES PAID ON THE BURIAL OF THE C 11111"

DOWAGER.
On the question for bringing up the report of the
Committee of Supply,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER elite!'
in reply to Sir Benjamin Hall, that the sum paid to tte
Diem tied Chapt,- r of Windsor as fees fur depositing th
remains of the Queen Dowager in the vaults. of
St. George's Chapel, was 2201., and not 1,0001. its 116
been stated.
Sir B. HALL thought this was a most diergreeeftl!
charge to compel the public to pay. The Gove renienl
might depend upon it that these disgraceful ecclesiaslit.t:
peculations would do more to injure the Church ill t%
country than anything else that could be conceived. le
hoped the Government would interfere and put a stop
to this system of extortion. The dean and chapter' ;17.
not content with the enormous incomo of 53e 'le.
for
c
a year, but must come to the Chancellor of the
quer, who had quite enough to do with his money)
„,f
the miserable sum of 220/. fur depositing the remain 3 Au.
one of the Royal Family in their vaults. A very ,ein
minable) representation of the position of eccleeiasll 5, re
affairs was given in the pages of Punch, in svla Who the
Bishops Bishops of London, Oxford, and Rochester, wee 9 r
bited as frightened at the ghost of the Hon. Mem bee to
Cockerraouth, and hastening away with the proe i atiba
the Church, the Bishop of London having marked_ on e
load the significant sum of 30,000/.—(Hear, hears
When such facts come before the public, illei
would be an unanimous cry from one and of the c°l-!llhtrod
to the other for a thorough reform in the Estables
Church. He concluded by giving notice that he '4'lo
move fur a return of the sums paid to the Jean alof
chapter since 1837 in the shape of fees for the butt
any members of the Royal Family. e °mei-
, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER' '7b d
dered that the irregular manner in which the sublet' fe- 50
been brought forward, was neither creditable to tlee ee° •
tee
T
Baronet, nor likely to answer any good purpose.
fees were customary charges on the burial of any %este
Royal Family, and in all vaults in the country saes -
charged for depositing the remains of the dead.
an
Mr. GLADSTONE observed that burial fees or •
kind had existed from time immemorial, which er*/dise
important element to be taken into consideration in had
cussing the question which the Hon. Member ieer
brought before the House. In case the Hon. 1e.,413- as k
should proceed with his motion, he hoped he would
a return of all sums received by the dean 1,4 d
chapter from the earliest period to which referenee_ie'A-he
be made. He had no doubt those gentlemen eeow'cres
able to defend themselves when an opportunity
-
afforded them to do so.—(Hear, hear.)
DISABILITIES OF COLONIAL CLERGY.; the
Mr. GLADSTONE then called the attention 0' •
o ps,
House to the legal disabilities of the colonial hof
clergy, and laity in communion with tho Chi ire°
England, in regard to making provision for their i rller9of
religious concerns, and inquired into the inters 110 of
her Majesty's Government respecting the reniterltidee
those disabilities. The Colonial Church laboured- lle'h a
this difficulty, that they had neither the powers w
regular constitution and the machinery of eccleseast a
courts conferred upon the Church at home, neitleer
they the power of a religious association to make rule3,are,
regulations fur themselves. It was desirable, the l51(i)bh;
that Parliament should proceed as soon as 1:0513 the
to define their tend: Lion. Last session ire
Muse did not seem inclined to inter
to to give such powers to the Australian Church, but 3`-o.
then circumstances had occurred to strengthen hi sca
In October last the Bishops of Australia met tof
but they found that they were not in a condition iolor
to attempt any mode of proceeding to form ralhey
the government of their religious community. 'fey
agreed, therefore, that their meeting should stand eirarrt
fur a private conference. Something of the same 00,19,
had happened in the diocese of Toronto in Cltilgeer
where the clergy hail met together and addressee' ,
Majesty to confer on them the legal right of assesubil37,
iu synod. This was a case in which he hoped oikee.
Majesty's Government would provide a remedy. 3:'9"'her
lotion was not possible in the present session, but ee
Majesty's Government might give them an assue.sll„l
that they would be left free. Next session her Mei slietle•
Guvernment might bring in a Bill to remove th. "the
abilities which pressed on the Church of England
d„tp
colonies. If they did not, he should feel it his
to introduce such a measure.
op
Sir DE LACY EVANS complained of the cresi-,-1011
of colonial bishops at all nothing but expense and
kinds of difficulties had been caused by them.
Colonel SIBTHORP thought with regard to "sehr,
fees for the burial of the Queen Dowager, the Chan'
lor of the Exchequer, as he had benefited so lard:eho
from free trade, should be made to pay them out of Pee
own pocket, which would teach him better for"th"

future.
the
Mr. W. WILLIAMS was sorry to find that ;mg
Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for the Unive
of Oxford had been obliged to travel to the Antii )OA-0
to find a bishop contented with 2,0001. per annum. 'l,,
question, however, before the House was not the o°,',:
nial Church, but the fees paid to the Dean and ells Fi",:"0t
of Windsor. He thought the whole affair was Pi,"a
grace to every body connected with it—to the Deep
chapter for receiving it, the Chancellor of the Pit,
chequer for paying it, and the House for sanctioning iie
He should, however, again divide the House 00 t'
subject.
Mr. CHRISTOPHER protested against Members :ft
that House coming forward to make charges 810!ti,t
clergymen of the Church of England without " rust
taking the pains to acquire correct information. gee
bers did themselves very little credit by bringing
ward assertions which could not be proved when th
were inquired into.
Colonel SAL WEY thought the House was vel!;1,/
much indebted to the Hon. Members for Cocker:Doti!
and Marylebone for bringing these abuses under Olt;
notice of the House. He contended that the chapel si
Windsor, being a royal property, any one of the Roy
Family had a full right to be buried there without 50!:,
fee whatever. The whole property of the chapter et;
longed to the order of which they were mereiY
priests.
Mr. REYNOLDS was very much satisfied at the Pre:
sent discussion, because after Parliament had spent sore'
five months in scolding the Pope and Cardinal Wiserout3'
it was now exercising its privileges.of poking into Or
other hole. With regard to the question before the
House, as the dean and chapter were salaried officer',
he did not see what right they bad to fees whatever.
—(Hear, hoar.) For once he had to thank
the Honourable Member for Marylebone, tbougb
that did not often occur with them, for that 11,31/:
Baronet had been so long engaged in scolding him.
Reynolds) that he had at last received among tho,e2 the
name of " Conciliation Hall."—(Laughter.)
Mr. HAWES said he bad only to state in reply t o,,the
vßeirt
eiat Hon.
had Gentleman
present
ilnrt.eGladstone),intention
rtohdautc
itnhi4v 0103 a;
measure
r. C.
E w regardis thento brought
the
rCuoulgohnt up theialChurch.
Mr.
Committee
Sir
D
LACY
Supply.Cy
E v
been fairly treated called
byAtheSA
of Sir George Westhall, who, he complained, htad e°'
American coast,
applied for ernplopme t • the
d m i r a lt attention
, t o wrehpot report
the
Ilhofe'e case
bt ahce;
n in her Majesty's navy oft
with which he was acquainted.
Admiral DUNDAS denied that Sir George Welt;
hall had done so. He
could bear testimony to the lel d
of that °leer) but having made inquiries, he fours,
chat no
application had been made by him to the A"
miralty since 1837.
Sir DE LACY EVANS distinctly denied that state'
meat.
Admiral DUNDAS thought such language imprObeer
and discourteous, and ought not to be allowed iij t
doors'
House. It would not certainly be allowed out of
Sir DE LACY EVANS said he was quite ready t°
meet the Gallant Admiral.—(Cries of " Order.") , c
A brief altercation followed between the Gah!'",.,
Admiral and General, but, at the desire of the Spee'se
Sir DE LACY EVANS withdrew his expression"
and the subject then dropped.
On the vote of 50,0002 for civil contingencies bollig
read,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved that it be reduced by
2251., the sum paid to the Dean and Chapter of Wie`ls°..
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the reduction 37
Against
„, 29

... ...
Majority ..• ••• —8
The vote was then agreed to.
(LEFT SITTING.)

BELFAST, JULY 17.—Wind N.—Arrd. Woodbitleo
Quebec. Sid. Lina, Demerara.
—.Ol

BIRTHS.

or A ON.
SOlio
On the 16th inst., at the Rectory, St. Anne's, I°
wife of the Rev. Nugent Wade.
On the 15th inst., Mrs. Herbert, of Llanarth, of an heir'
On the 17th inst., Mrs. Henry Masterman.

OF A DAUGHTER.
On the 4th inst., at Copenhagen, the wife of J. 11. DrUl
mond Hay, Esq., her Majesty's Chargé d'Affairs in Pvlorocco.

MARRIED.
On the 17th inst., at St. Paul's, Knightsbridge, Robert 11'
Carew, late Captain 36th Regiment, fifth son of the 106
Admiral Sir Benjamin Hallowell Carew, G.C.B. of Bedding'
ton-park, Surrey, to Anne Rycroft, relict of Walter' Tr°
Smythies, Esq., and fourth daug 11hter of the Rev Oliver Far
mond, LLB., rector of Middleton, and vicar of Balmer-'4m'
Belchamp, Essex.

DIED.
On the 17th inst., aged 70, Edmund Walker, Esq., of the
Exchequer-office, Lincoln's Inn.
On the 17th inst., at William-street, Lowndes-squ_are'
Clementina, wife of Captain Sir F. Nicholson, Bart., ILI.'"
On the 13th inst., at Dover, Colonel Robert Thomson,
Royal Engineers, aged 65.
On the ilth inst., at Glasgow, Charles 11. James, Esq'
surgeon, late of the 39th Regiment.
On the 15th inst., at Chessington-hall,
Surrey, William Greene, Esq., aged 75.
'On the 15th inst., at Kn. ht h Tiverton, Dovosi•
s ayes, near
B. B. Walrond, Esq., aged 57.
near Kingstoof

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