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London, England, 1802-06-18 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS,

• THURSDAY, JUNG 17.
THE Hon. CHRISTOVIEJL RUTCH;NSUN took the
usual oaths, and his seat for the Borough of Cork.
On the Order of the day being read for the,
third reading of the Irish Controverted Elefflon

Mr. LEIGH brought up a Clause to prevent
Barrisiers or Agents from pleading, and examining
or, cross-examining Witnesses before the Com-

mission.

4ftersome conversation between Mr. BRACCE,
Mr. ALEXANDER, Mr. 'DAWSON, and Mr. Ser..
jearit Moo it E, the Clause was ordered to be annexed
to the Bill by way of Rider. ' •
The Bill was then read a third time.
On the Question being put that the Bill be
passed,
Mr. D,VVS9Ar said? be had 'hoped that this Bill
would not have been pressed in the absence of the
Irish Members, few of whom now remained in the
House. It was, however, some consolation to him,
on the introdudion of so absurd a Bill, to find that
the insufficiency of the two former Bills, of the same
nature, was owned by the Mover. Under pretence
of 'removing ' the cognizance of the subjed from the
Sheriffs, as it was supposed they might appear to
ad under the influence of the Crown, it was de-
livered over to a Tribunal every way more so.—
Assistant Barristers, and their different Officers,
had been successively introduced and given up ; and
now it was intended to lodge the powers which
belonged only to the Irish House of Commons, in
a CogimisSion of Irish Barristers. An appearance
of adhering to the Constitution, was indeed pre-
served by the ultimate decision belonging to a Com.
mittee of the Imperial Parliament. But no wit-
nesses were to be summoned before it; and thus all
the efred.of cross-examination, was entirely lost.—
The business also was in danger of being often in.
tempted ; for though the Barristers who did not
attend the Commission, were liable to be fined, yet
if they could turn the time of their attendance to
more advantage than the amount of the fine, was
not there a, danger that they would prefer incurring
it ? Nor did this interruption extend to an indivi-
dual case ; for, he understood, it was intended one
Commission should serve for all cases, , and hence the
absence of any of its Members' would interrupt the
whole Contested Efeetions of Ireland. He Can-
tended, that it was unjust to pass this Bill in the
absence of the Irish-Members ; and he'appealed to
the feelings of the English, the Scotch, and the
Welch Members, if they, would allow such a Bill to
pass for-any' of their -own Counties. 'For his own
part, he could perceive no advantage to be derived
from this Bill; he even thought that adhering to
the Grenville Ad, and trying the causes under it in
Londoh, would put Candidates to as little expenee
as trying these causes under this Bill in Dublin.
Mr. LEIGH said, that the present Bill had been
formed agreeable to the opinion of the ablest and
wisest, and most learned men in the House. The
former Bills had not been given up on account of
insufficiency, as they had never been put to the
At, no Controverted Elation for Ireland having
occurred since they were passed. This Bill only
differed from the first in appointing Barristers to
an office for which they were, best qualified ; nos_
Was there any ileviation from the Grenville Ad,
but where circumstances rendered it necessary. No
period, he conceived, could be better chosen for
bringing forward the present Bill than the eve of a
General Eleetion, as its sufficiency would immediate-
ly be brought to the tesr; arid if found insufficient.,
it could next Session be repealed ; and no one should
in that case be more ready to move for its repeal
than himself.
The Bill was then passed.
'[lie SECA ETARY' at WAR brought up the Report
of the Seled Committee appointed to draw up Ira_
sons of dissent to some of the Amendments made
by the Lords on the English Militia• Bill : these
reasons were agreed to, and ordered to he stated at
a conference with their Lordships; and the SECRE-
TARY at WAR -.vas ordered to go to their Lordships
to desire a conference on this subjed.
The Report of the New Forest Bill was brought
up, and after some conversation between the AT-
TORNEY GENERAL, SiFFIENRY MILOMAY, and MI.
SHAW LEFEVRE, the Amendments were ordered
to be read a second time this day three months,
Mr. LUSIIINGTON brought up a Petition from
-the Ship-owners of the Port of London against the
tonnage imposed on shipping this Season. He said,
that on this duty being proposed, a deputation of
the Ship-owners of the Port of London had waited
on tliC CHANCELLOR of the EXCHNUER to remon-
strate against it ; and had received for answer,
that it Was' his opinion they could afford to pay it ;
but if upon investigation it turned out otherwise,
an alteration could be introduced next Session. Mr.
Lusnt NGTON therefore hoped, that this•Petitioni
and the. fads stated in it, would, on a future occa-
sion, be viken by the House into serious consider-
..
anion.

The Petition was ordered to lie on the Table.,
The SECRETARY it WAR informed the, flouse,
that the Lords had agreed to a Conference to.rnor-

row.

The Tortola Free. Port, the Irish Chancellor's,
the Marine Mutiny, the .Stamp Duty, the liish
6 per Cent. , the Irish Lottery Office, the Inn,
keepers' Allowance, and the Au6lion Duty Bills,
were read. a, third lime and passed,
On the Motion for the second reading of the Irish
Militia Discharge Bill, • •
Mr. DAIVSO.N said, that when he ,wished for
the postponing of the Second
.reading of this Bill
yesterday, he had not seen his Right Hon. Friend
(Mt. FOSTER), Ile now understood that he ryas
gone into the country, and, could not be present at
any of the future stages of this Bill ; and even if it
had been In his powev to be so, be understood that

Right Hon. Friend had no intention of opposing
it, as the Indemnity Bill which had been introduced
along with it, completely met his wishes.
Mr. CARRY vindicated himself from ever wish-
ing to hurry forward any measure, or from taking
any advantage inconsistent with the utmost fairness
and candout.

The Bill was then read a second time, and order-
ed to te committed to-morrow.

The Report of the Conirnittie on the Indemnity
to the Irish Counties which might be affected by the
discharge of the Irish Militia was brought up, and
the Resolutions agreed to, and ordered to be an
instruction to the Committee on the Irish Militia
Discharge Bill.
Mr. WALLACE wished to know W Mr. Ni-
cHoLLs was to bring forward his Motion to-mor-
row, as it was impossible to lay before the House
the Papers, required.
Mr. NICHOLLS said, that it certainly had been
his intention to bring forward the Motion to-mor-
row, whether the Papers should be produced or not;
but as he understood another Hon, Gentleman (Mr.
SHERIDAN) intended to 'bring forward a similar
Motion. on Tuesday next, he should withdraw his
notice, at the same time informing the House that
if 'that Hon. Gentleman did not on that day make
the Motion, .he should himself, without fail make it.
Mr. SIIE RID AN said, that though he had no
hope of his Motion being this season attended with
any effect, yet he certainly intended to make a Mo-
tion relative to the Affairs of India on Tuesday
next.

Mr. T; ER NEI' prefaced his Resolutions respeuing.
Finance by briefly stating, that he should not detain
the House long on the present occasion, as another
day would be'-appointed for the consideration of the
subje4 matter to which they related. The Hon.
Member read the Resolutions, which are as follow
That the amount of the Public Funded Debt on the itt of
February. ;793, was 238,231,2481. exclusive of Long and Short
Annuities for Lives, to the amount of 1,373,5501. ; of which
sums Stock to the amount of 10,242, toe!. had beet' purchased
by the Commissioners for Redeeming the National Debt, and
the Annuities to the amount of 79,8801. had fallen in, and
been carried to their account, reducing 'the actual amount
of the Debt on the tst of February 5793, to 227,989,1481.
and the Annuities to 1,293,4701. And that on the At of Fe-
bruary, 1502., Stock to the amount of 39,885,3081. had been
purchased by the Commissioners, and Stock to the amount
of 18,001,1481. had been transferred to them on account of
Land-Tax redeemed, and Annuities to the amount of
125,7071. had fallen in, reducing on the fat of Feb. 180 z, the
actual amount of Debt existing bcfbre the War to 189,344,7921.
and the Annuities to 1,247,8431.
That the total amount of Stock, created since the rst of
February, 1793 (inoluding.the amount created by sums bor-
rowed in the present Session of Parliament, and after deduct-
ing 20,490,0031, purcluted by the Commissioners for rigdeem-
,ing the National Debt), on the tat of February, 1802, is
338,138,3601. of which sum the interest on 7,50:5,6331. is pay..
able by the Emperor of Germany ; and tne interest on
22,343,0001. is payable by Ireland, and that Annuities 'have
been granted since the Ist of February, 1793, to the amount of
550,4601. of which 97‘, il. is payable by Ireland, and 230,0101.
by the Emperor of Germany.
That the total amount of the Public Funded Debt (in-
cluding the amount created by the sums borrowed in the
present Session, and after deducting 6a,375,3111. purchased
ny the Commissioners, and tE1,81,1481. transferred to them
on account of Land Tax redeemed, (was, on the ist of Fe-
bruary, 1802, 518,483,1521. of whion sum 29,850,6331. is on
account of Ireland and the Emperor of Germany, leaving a
Funded Debt charged on Great Britain pi 488,632,5191. and
that the amount of Annuities charged on Great Britain,
(after deducting what have fallen in), was on the first of Fe-
bruary, 1802, in Short Annuities and tOr.Lives, 543,3001.
and in Long Annuities, 5,015, 4101.
That under -tin heads of Treasury, Army, Ordnance, Bar-
racks, and Advanees from. Civil List (after deducting the
surplus of Ways and yeansof 18ot) Outstanding Demands
as far as the same can be made up, remained to he provided
for on the sth of January, 1802, to the amount of 3,261,9671.
That the Unfi!nded Debt in Exchequer Bills unprovidEd
for, or provided for out of Funds which have proved insuffi-
cient, was, on the jtla of January, 1802, 13,74464431-
That the Debt of the Navy remaining to be provided for,
was, on the sth of Jan. 18oz, 9,073,0701. and that the total
amount of demands, outstanding Navy Debt, and Exchequer
Bills, uprovided for, out of insufficient Funds, was,on the sth
of lan. 1802, 26,079,4801.—0 t which sum 12,165,6131. has
situ::: been made goon out of the Supplies of the present Ses-
sion, leaving an Unfunded Debt of 13,913,8671.—t0 which
5,000,0001. of Exchequer Bills, voted in the present Session,
being added, makes a total of Unfunded Debt, hereafter to
be provided for, of 52,953,8671.
'I hat the total Debt may he stated as follows, viz.
Total Ainount of: the Public Funded Debt un-
redeemed - -
1,015,4101. Long Annuities, valued, at 25 years
purchase
Unfunded Debt

518,483,152