The Sun.
London, England, 1834-02-22 00:00:00

poor labourers, who had only their gallon loaf and threepencat
per week. To meet the distress there should be a general
reduction of two millions in the navy and two millions ill t_6,
army. There could be no effective mode of relieving the d_i.,
his Is. rid. per daateythli,theaeiotsraurxwes'elell as fuel and lodging, to that of tbe;ee
' tress unless by some such general reduction as that which fo
lowediLuiril:;t
dlla,rei .
otds hfetlae%nt,:i.l last
denied
adi: peace,:a rcausein y w. andi
c i
It t, h
compelled‘i
,s,
0 could,li
b e unreasonablenot t
h be
Gd oo n, , ee r
iexcept,minj,
ibtei-n,1::::::p;
to expect that Government could reduce a single tO "
they stood by them in an effort to remove the debt.
tHhleTrelllwoalisEns,aniodp,
that the distress existed, but because he did not tin
th
means proposed would be found effectual as a !Tine, yi:
He concurred with his Noble Friend below hiihrre. :I,l'''l,)ll,est
would vote against the propositio()nlYtsh'naothtebtei(icol‘aulugrizlVehdontrnaki°ittilee(ie
Althorp), that the application of toesl remedies to i i:s..
evils by which the agricultural interests were locally aryl
fected, would be more remedial. No
and
demanei
more attention than the poor rates, and the Ministry, hd
directing their attention to them, would effect more g0,.,-; .
than by any other measures. If these were not se'e'n
Y.
taken into consideration, there would be no hope ot port.
perity for the country. Another matter of great itnporart.
tent
te
return.would be
Fttl.muemintthreoduunc tcieorotaoinf
nautfnari
er system of co f
mutation of tithes. By this means a greater outlay °
capital would take place, which would produce a cumpe:
now stood, it would be difficult to calculate on the "turn,'
of outlay. If Government would redeem its pledge' ,an
ainnt; opdaurctieals,ombuet measure relating raetlatitiiengrotoot
o poorthreateesv,il :lot would
it wou,.
owroduerksl.do
be of more service than any other measure which could
be proposed.
tsio:Aeelrft.oi
time
etEhNtehE tzTri Tit c
would
:a:sr]
dios ft::: pp irnToivio,een
trtiletmepa
et
morals
u ofrulsthu somethingef tmhti:m
lutius twoheser
arenpdeaslooafistohnreefdiidtmnh
class of the population ; the benefits accruing from the
Mi. CLAY said, it had been stated that the agricul-
turall much
repeal
i n
the
he
ofwiwettfha: landlords;yxeu,l,odaht:gSueell nfibeeraeueerrlttymarauni tx,:halhrenee:yoeurefl'ellx)i yafi°,:sritoealnead'oteffli:swvtnqcrahlit%'a.lautetsj 13°Istehesi;:t:
interest bad not shared in time reliefcorise consequent on
y
dtphiadertniraoeltPitesylliattith which it was imposed.—(Hear, hear.)
It was evidently a tax which could not be fairly and
equally levied. If the malt tax were remitted, it Would
tend in a great degree to increase agricultural prosperity,
by protnotir.g consumption. The tax on beer had hee.
remitted ; and the consequence would, in some degr.te'
support his opinion. From 1820 to 1833, it had ll'
maser] 44 per cent. The Member (or Essex had obeerved
upon one of the reasons given by the Government for re-
p, sling the house tax—t ) wit, its unpopularity; and in
his (Mr. Clay's) opinion, it was a very justifiable on
He was glad to know that the opinions of unreproentea
millions found utterance and attention in that Ilouse.--'
(Cheers.) For his own part, he rather represented the
opinions, than the numerical strength of his constitueneYs
Lord HOWICK begged leave to observe, uldr
"rates
the
assertion of the Member for Oldham, that the poo
augmented with taxation. The Hon. Menrier was ruts'
taken in his assertion. He (Lord Howick) had taken a°
opportunity of looking at the returns, even since the
assertion was made, and he f iund the fact quite the coos
trary. In 1812 the poor rate was 6,665,6001. ; in itW
it was 6,731,000/. In 1812 the taxes were 65 millionsti
in 1832 they were 46 millions.—(Cheers.) How enui,
the Hon. Member reconcile this with his statement
Here was a diminution of taxes to the amount of °t to
millions, and an increase of the poor roe amountiolgct
eu
,t°
nearly 100,000/.—(Cheers.) This surely contrail.
~
_e
the statement of the Hon. Member for Oldham; and
difference would be moot) more striking had refereoe*
b en made to any other than the year 1812. , he
Colonel EVANS made a few ob,ervations, in whien
cwoinot,rat Thas_a,
the metropolis were—Rental, 5,700,000/, Poor. li_.:rot
shteedretnherairenantadl apnodort,sheraptoeo,r,f's
Irraotreko,hf
itfrtee. metropeolt:f'
680,000/. ; of Yorkshire—Rental, 4,700,000/, Y
Rate, 410,000/.
h I Lord
ort the
Mr. CARTWRIGHT referred the No—e
at h.
N
Chancellor of the Exchequer to a county meeting
ampton, at which he (Lord Althorp) sail he would
~..e
the consideration of the malt tax to Government•
sv'lP_
motion was a temperate one, merely claiming
it could be afforded, and as such he should c,,ncur ild.lt_oo,
Mr. CAYLEY, who spoke amidst great noise and ''
fusion, was understood to support time amendment.
pr,htoriginalictiera,:ipeiei.bA:diyluti
e,rmta, .wiTadebasLhtl:r.
nuseeAo:pkoNb.llpt,etiol:,iddotl.3brlvntalntEee.hoirytEnewtlsehi Tirer:aliyat
di
or‘teiveati.
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yamgicertainly
hemhti
attend
that
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iarrsaeudet
bltiiscl,ont,t,ehinahudhigkweini
ide.styhdajoe
siidipipririt;
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e,
itee
otlyurcerd:
jegogieffe
e.
~,pi
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:co
,dyb rr:1:1..,
every possible relief to the agricultural classes; but :veto
s
hvoadtinfagllefnoronathreep landede a i
of
to the pressure,
t..of taxation. This he denied. In his opinion it tiie: ilia'
interest
eremstalwt
atsaxo,"si•Ell)gich he could riiob
currency.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Alember then P.
~ „r, ailed..
amongst the agricultural classes, particularly in j wily'
he had iorsaken his plough and taken to agitation; a lough
once did when my agricultural pursuits brought hi pro'
adequate return for my industry, my plough w ndy give
duce nothing but ruin ; but agitation maY Pc's
most die'
me something."—(Hear, hear.) This was t inquiri
tressing state of things, and demanded the utto2,!_e Leg iir
and attention on the part of the Legislature. The Leg"
and attention on the part of the LegiBlato o SdWflstr
lature had done the wrong, and it was bound to'
ottifefr::::sy: t
hlotugwhtsdnwoitmy;leetd taolovalya,te. The measure dent bj:
confiscation was not yet complete. Tbe indefe
The remedy, however, was very dillerewia3t
by the Noble Marquis, and though lie respected bi
he could not support his proposition. d called
Mr. C. FERGUSSON—The Noble 'Marquis ba
r,doe,
on the House to express their ()prawn, that in 5nY sts of
tion of taxation which was to take place the intereat,_A.
the agricultural classes ought to be particularly reg.s443",
Everything that had passed from the instant when latto'ithe
jesty made his gracious speech from the throne, liTtioo. It
present moment, showed the justice of that iug go 000,
G Yern I
was admitted on the part of leis Majesty s ° .coitore
that some relief should be granted, that the agr'
_ow
interest was in a state of great distress, whilst the wyet,
factoring interests were increasing in prospe.rsitYAiajestyge
strange to say, the only relief proposed b y II i .
tercet"
Government was to be granted to the latter in
...,ei
't
icrtthYftet sstiev3glgoteltjui-vtced:

(Hear, hear.)
est was in
from his Majesty's speech that the landed In
d trailing
state of unmitigated ruin, whilst the manufacturing an „this
Mr. ROBINSON was sorry to see it
classes were in a state of great prosperity. How, the
were the case, came his Majesty's Government to give ,all the
relief to the latOr class ? The object of the Noble Marlioift'
motion was to give the former a portion of the relief.
_„cel.
suppose the motion were carried. It appeared that the Clwep if
for of the Exchequer had only 1,200,000/. to spare. 11,00
the agriculturists were to share, it was evident that he,i-igide'
not give up the house duty. Suppose, then, he were tom. isod"
it, and give 600,0001. to the shopkeepers and householeers'eold
600,0001. to the landed interest—why then the house tax noble
not be remitted on the one hand, and he would ask thenitristi
the measure of commercial prosperity was
Marquis what relief would 600,0001. give to the agrial. „en:,
°until D 0
on the other ?—Hear, hear.) One
tlemen. It . was( assumed that the manufacturing class :01 thO'.
0 generally assuol"•
in a state of great prosperity, but it should be remelobe by ti
was calal A'
re td
amount, whilst that of agricultural distress
the returns.—(Hear.) Let them use the sallie °lea° o°.
both interests. Don't let them say that, bsene
yusuie
ix
jail.
calculated of D/
manufacturers sent out of the coulltrY
were more Ill.":,'
vire!.
pounds more of cotton, therefore they .nopose ''',-
INlarelits, "
porous. Let him ask the Noble market for 10"
sold last year one hundred sheep at Smithfield a 1001.,
would he say that the increase in the
and this year twolhundred, for which he only obt t"!,,eut „
'ty sold vi"" ot
quanti
ndiotion
~..,
proportionable increase in the returns, was a° ,I. „ in a Pi.,7„
prosperity ? The manufacturers were far from beine'erot, P'-e,
porous state.—(Hear, hear.) One point, one 1,..:., to tb„
entirely been lost sight of in this debate—he all oau;t, its t;
shipping interest. Was that so trifling, soliniroP°rt tried, no
be entirely neglected ? If this proposition were ca,„oplY .
should feel it to be his duty on the next night of I";tereSt;
make a similar motion with regard to the ship Ping ass Os
and this he would certainly maintain, that whatever,bose ehl;
distress of the agricultural classes, the distress of..* Age
gaged in shipping was much greater. He wouldllo',lote.
support to the proposition of the Noble Marquis---0° torCP;
he did not sympathise with the agricultural classes--o.:terettor,
he was now unwilling to extend equal justice to all,' ebjelg
but because he foresaw that the amendment of the '
asil.P.-
quis could lead to no good results. ~ IP-
Sir GEORGE PHILLIPS considered that the the
_ro
suggested by his Noble Friend (the Chancellor
..,ti ref'
chequer) with reference to commutation of tithes a'".. the e
of the poor laws, would prove much more efficient fo: of it
lief of the agricultural classes, than the proPositi%ot n
Noble Marquis ; for this reason he should vote afb opal
amendment, though he fully admitted the right of ;rig"
interest to participate in any relief that might betgddor,,tii
[here had been only two modes of such relief suggesbut 'et,
the discussion. One was the repeal of the malt tax'
ember
fo°for
would be only a very partial relief, not affecting ',--o.iher re.
generally. The other alluded to by the Hon. N 0010,
Wexford was a return to paper money. Let any 0.1311 ,of
these proposed remedies with the better administratiOwo
poor rates, and the commutation of tithes, and o•
slitter' -all
the two would be themore efficacious? Certainly the 0-re latter
should, therefore, vote against the amendtilent, ;12