The Sun.
London, England, 1805-05-14 00:00:00

alsiclr-lie called an abominable falsehood, which
others, if they pleased, may believe to be cloth. The
result was, that emitetbing must he done, and there_
fore. this resariCtion was imposed, because there was
-nothing elite to be dtitee. He Caine now to the re
strittion,from sitting inn-the Commons, which w4s.
not a restraint on the Crown, nor on the Peers, bat'
upon the choice of the Subjed. He adverted to the
repeal of the' list •on the single condition that Dts.
senters shoulchnot be admitted to offices without tak-
ing the oath. It was well known. that Dissenters
.set in the House, anti that they were an °filament' to
it. It was an argument against the,Cattiolies that
they were enemies to the .Church establishinentei
were the Dissenters. But as praCtice was every thing,.
anti reason comparatively nothing, did any one
lieve that it the present existing restrietions 'were
totally repealed, twenty Cat ,dies would be eleeted
to sit ie that House. Suppose forty, suppose, tour.
fifths, or even the whole national 'otirolsee of Bci, was
this. to be dreaded among 6513; British Memberi ?
What greater mischief
_could arise- trots admitting
them-what greater mischief could arise than had
arisen from the Dissenters ?- 'Weald, it not add to
the true virtual representation of the'coUntry if
,thcre were Irish Catholic Member; in the House of
,Cottineatis to represent so large ae portion of the
People as the Irish Cithalics ? When 3 t wit, s 1),1 II)
:the House, that any place or any set of persons sets
not represented, it was answered that the IN/111i.
tary, the 'tailing Interest, the Ct4tittly. Gsntlettlesi, •
Soldiers,'SailUre, and Lawyers,'afforded a virtual re.
Tresentation,ol. all clas,,,e, and ,all intetests, i-le tie..
nied that there seas this virtual repre‘,entitionot
allt
clases as long.-as ,the Catholics were ante-
' resented. This was a eieteer of want-and desire_-
which ware every day frtuie end more felt, this' Par.
iiineeet was unwilling to tutee the blame onatself.--
It was matter to be Wished arel desired, every day,
for the 'cornpietion t,t virtual representation. Thus
far on the public principle, now as to the private
grounds.... It may be said to the irtlfebitaets of Bir.
mingliam, Sheffield, and Manehestere thstthey'wete
virtually 'represented, because there were in tl
inercitants, .rriatiutedurers, it& itijacent pro.
prietors arid residents, wito bad a community
terest with them. But ' there was, nu cinntnu.
city of interests the 'Catholics, - It was
ridieutoes to say to the 'Catholics that try we're
reprekented because they-gave" their votes ;
the vital principle of virtual vet reservation wa.
wanting, a teilow tee'ling; and 'el min.mlity -of in.
serest between the fneetots and the keereseetativ-s.
'The cs-e-: nee of virttralßepresentation wit.4e that. Pat
liatneut did net ianente a tax, or :triatt.',l
witich'wewd not effect' its oven Meinbers. - When
this ptineiele was considered, «itb teepea
cathoilq, 'what' 'A as it Prtti.itino Lould enact,'
with respect 1%; then, that weuel tail" on - them
? • T_he Cetteettes ve•;:.re, t1,;14,7 le,t of the pro%
eipsl umistelpal offies-alSo. ey could -net be
ivi.iyor,. I3tt witch ground del .ete rest? ehey
we re fit to hold civil ut t twit, ittitt,cointuaaide
in the Army, lie Wantet, to know wiry were Cur;
poratioos 'resu.ictrd' 'ruin -electing 'them, to be eat:
tit .it It. 'wee true that tie the 'present state,
ot Coo por,ttion. ascendance. io-frelandi little benefit
cou;ti, alf Prebabilt.bave,beertecleriveti
irk mta
this indulgence if it had existed, '.But,
ifon was Or that very reason less fttCCVAAry,and this..
wig One ite,tatice'nf a stigma cast tin the._ (2,ittli/lic*
without ~,y objea.'He must heie observe,that where'
%, it tusi eff,:a was Produced, to Cara sin UttneCeSS4.'
ry st igtna wits to tioe.i thing most Aestrattive-,tn the'
Aiest leeiiegs of the Proeie, antrmost ruinous to the:
gene interests tit the Empire; 'Now as to the ute-
3i:climes, very few ot-thean went to the general-mat.
t,r of the Pet ition,the rest went 'entitely-co the torte.
'roe ground of JaCahitisterwai given up 'S,:ittrething
had been 'said on the inecingreity:otGoeetionents,
enitipo'sed of persmis if different religious. persUe.
614ffio,
.anti the impossibibay o 1 Wen i,,ersolig'zettl)g.
togeti.er. Ile wisthel to know What j'ountta..,
L". ‘lO ti'h theory :rotedrot, for lie wail sore thti.re
• was no sir a LtrC in in':l:y it. Was it to be supposed.
that when it was a questi- n whether an ExpeLlition
oi a Fleet sliOuld be sent its the West letliee-or tlre
le:rponti bit( ingin del theratieso the
Ca-hinet on the bliot11(1, tify were of
different religions sentitnetizs, luSe sight of the poi).
lie efleirs we:telliferie them, and sit disputing
:dealt Iran,,..4;lsLlntiation, about the worship ut-
Semis, in the Virgin Mary ? Was it' to be sup.
posed, that or, the fienehrsuch difference ofereligion
coold interfere with the adininistratitin of justice ?
That may he possible in Mallornetan .Countries,'.
where the law and religion were so interwoven,
that it was next lo impossible to separate them ;
but io,any other country he saw no reason why
Judges **clamor aril together with 'stro'ng ref i•
gious differences between them. With
reapeet to the praa.ie.e on this point, he would ask,
was there any coUritry in Earepe where, persons
of .very different religions wet not elpployed in
the Public Service , When Henty,lV.. sit France
,was obliged to retioupce 'Protestantism before be
was 'allowed to meant tact Thron'c, tied it enter into
the head of arty man tl,tat time Due De, Sully was
Alieister, unfit -and incapable tit bet veahe State,'
.and datigerous to the pueiic safety, because he re.
owned. a Prdtestant ? lit tw'rc angtern'. time he
-neeee -heard it ,eetsterided that ivi.. Necker was
a bad
.financier, and uriAt to -lee at thee head of
rite Fteech "Freasuty, bet:tu,e he was Out of
Abe same. tel with his niaster. In --.the pre.
sent times, tile it use of .A.ustria, which had ne.
vet: shack ex,...stipt lama- religious feelings,.
employed iittiey Ploys tants in °tikes of the high.
eat truet intl cortfilel,ec. Priuce Ferdinand, of
Scuoswick, a rtote,t,ot, was (.4(,V Ali.
,C 064, anti of 'couthe eetrusted Sri a great- rave.
sure with the "pteserVation of the Emperor. It
was trite Vrossia had not till ,latefp employed
Ciithnites ; out why ? was it because the great
4feilcrici,c, was so illiberal' that when all tile
StattS att)tir3tl Olin availed theinselyee of all taliCilti,
' ts iticuttt mi;sttifett,,n of sent, he
,woult4 nest go be,
oy9ild the lainia of thee tcligion 'of hie State ?.
W.,s it tint ht;iltf to ftc SUIVOStA, that he did nut
empley Catholics itee,nise he did not at ttia time
!tepee° In find in them those talents.w Inch ,he found
uteri a4opiy in persons et other religions ? In Rus.
si4,
.the Chief Metits,er, Prince tosaitiski, i 743 a
and -the Catholic • It.iefigion was as hos:
wie no :he, Greek Chut4lts the otabiisha 10-

ligion of St. Petersburgh, es it was to the. Church,
01. England. At Veoice a Greek and a Cacho.
lie P;,.ttriarch enjiy,ed the samie authority without
dtssehtion. In Swtt er nid,. it,Was true, a divisiort.
had taken place, the Proeestante!going to some can-
, coma, and the Catholics; to othittS.. vvat.rentark.
' able that the Democratic cantons'of Uri, Schweitx,
and Underwold, contained the most bigotted Ca.
din lies, anti also, 01.4 neither the *differelice of re.
nor rise" opposite nature of the cantonal Go.
vernments, 'interrupted the' harmony of the. State.
There was only one Way in. tvhielt. the religion of,
the 'Catholics was very oddly charged with being
likely ttebeCome the irist rteneot ofea Foreign.Po'wer.
Attempts had been treble to stir up the Catholics in
rebellion for. the restoration of the Smarts, and. the
Pope was surprised to have lent bisinflhencelo thent
at a time when he could not stir 'up a single teat.
In 1793.: it was said by ,tome that the
jerity of the Rebels were Catlinlice ;, but he believed
they wete in I.ir proportion ; anti even thcise Catho-
lics ins,. igate by the Pope, 'WI) > wis at, that tbise
in a, st:ite of destitution, sod tbe Givernment of this
Ctitt4trY was hie hest. anti 'only "Protenion. Would
it haVe been the diSplisition-of the Tope at that time
to assist Mr. O'Coointr,ami Mr. Mac Nevin ? No;
lie.behev:d that though 'he Was equallY unable, to
assist either, he would have been more-willing to
assist taut Gavertnieent....But frotn whit lie. rpen..
ed lately, tlse
.Pepe was. raw in (Afferent circuni.
stances frrlM what he . was then`. The l'OPe
baying crowned Bonaparte, it is suptioied he
,most do .every • thing Bonaparte' desites,; that the
Pope exercises_ power over. the Irish. Iliships, and
and they, over the inferior Clergy, and they, in
their' turn, over the Peee'pre ; and that the whole: of
this machine is it) be put in metion by the itiffuence
of Benaparte on the Pope, and his influence on the
Irish
.Bi-:hopi. I-46w was leis influence to be ap.
plied, by ceiling on the PeoPle to exchange their
property and the priteCilon Of ,the Layee, under,
Which they climyed security even with teetrittion,
to introduce a FhteeigriDotiliriein of the'praClce of
which report did not give
.a very. f4Votirable
count Troia what it had done iten!her Coutitries:
hit hoped„very, few.weuld at any time be disposed .
'to listen to such propeoftLyee. BUt.if !pea-,
sure. was' passed„ the Pope may indeed helve the,
p iwer of .sending 13611 S to thee Psi not to
excite insuiteaione, foe .tli it w 'Add lid impos4th!e`f
but to con trier, the.: out, of the. twenty ori 100; e
probable Catholic ivlcrti -.there ~treey he one
itr t wo that -..tieulad haVe shine regard to his interest.
AC' tvai I'ol 61,0t1,;11 to pUiTOSe the power
of this- t.:etint weuld.last for ever, but he
,was sure
it -Wrath! 1.16 t long. after the, I,yoee and Bonaparte.
wimiti have ceased to 'be , in exietence eau.'
spate„ .ag4inet it. It .was. said the
:Catholics did'.
.alt.ew tite.l(..;ng's eurreneacy. In SeOtland not
oily ova, dial sopreantey pot allowed, but the
Church. of.that-Couetry was. 4otally., different from
the (.liur~h uf• England; People of Scotland
VVAt. 'es go ,d t,trbjc;tts as any other litsMajeetY had..
Did not the. Rotnan Catholics say their dilferences
were merely ducitinal ? Yes, but liter!. cisme this ar•
gennent ilte Catholics swear these things, but .we.
e.eurtot believe theme 'this ,peinel9lo :required at.
least greet nelligeity cif beast whatiefen,dsite
Ile w.atenee...it .was not coueternanced by the present
Gevetnixteret.. If it' was, iiiiill.GOV“Ofnent w4old-
hay.e..aeted west. criminally in :passing ,an Ant of.
Parliament to make a whole, people forswear, .itself,
that is, to make. them swear
:Whet, pat wouldenet
believe' they would: sweet .with. truth. I-loyiqt
presenteil 'to them allthese los% oaths,
,all of which
tlit.:y take, you do not believe theme, anti ,therefore
to secore.yoursaive.e completely against them, you
are.provitl.cdi 'with what ?--why with :mother oetli..
And. it they take that oaib, whatever opinion you
may have, wheilterlent believe them sincere in it
or not, . (bey lily. do you eall the Mischief .
in
thitrivOrld. was insulting mankind, in a
way eotirely oew. He was not iiearnea in tild.
Controversws or tVeeeetes. Hiedispositiaa did not.
lead, him: le$1:418:141e1 of that. kind ; b.ui if, he;
were as learned to them as the Lord Chancellor
Lei-et:tire he shoulti7;einnk it 16 -linty to At'obtain
from matters so flit' t)f itritation, and. so fo.,
reign to every useful purpose. What ! :.can pne
single individutl take.' upon • himself to say, `that.
three. fourths of the Libabitants of, Euro-pi are not,
-capable of entering into, engagements" of most
necessary nature, or of fulfillingiliuse engagements,
when they are entered into believed there
were sonae,instanees ,of such abominable bigotry in
the.derkest ages.. Butin the sentituenes of piety en-
lightened Goyerament and every enlightened man,
he trusted this conduct watt regarded with juit,
probation. The . Cattioliei •carne forweid to, tic.
ny. many things which were unjustly, imputed to,
them, and ovitteh were extremely improper ; but
to come now and say, that what they.. had sworn
was nOt to .be believed, was re,rIIY
\Viler) the Petition. was read by the Clerk. of the
Ilona, he thought he perceived in the .countenance
of many Metn6ers an
Lexelession of surprise that *it
was Signed by none but 'epic!), The reason, how.
ever, or this was,. that aie the Cleigy were. not to
share, in the immunities ,which were the objeet'of,
the Petition, they ettisteined from signing it, al-
though their setkiinents wire etridtly in ttnison with
those of the Petitioners. klc reculleded a convei-.
batiGn )1e had oust had with a Noble. Lord of
that perattasioe, ,aesuan who would .40 honour to
any persotiston,. he meant Lord Fetter on the sub.-
_ jest cif the nAths taken by the ;Roman Cathuiics in
'rebind, when that NOble,Lord had expressed his
wish that all the oaths alluded to should be
token for the rqrpose of :refuting the ealOrnnies
that were
_so .prevalent a4,xin ---e
st the Catholics.
Mr. It' ox "here read .alt extract sienna by, the Cathow
lit Arelibistiope and other Dignitaries of Iceland,
in winch .tliey 'stated that the Clergy under them
hid taken those oaths. Would the it say that
with such a declaration before them, the Cattnelics
should be excluded ftton -sharing, in the Privileges
and Constitution of time Elopire It has been as.
betted,' that because so- much had beers, granted to
.shietelitl the iy7ro9tgehvlersne of all all pi .askrrnneoireplCs I,7ltrelehsi,sin',v—As
d
As 'Men who bad been aveUstoined to a state
ot restraint and Ira rtrristtott gr.uluAlly quir: the
possession of their just they assimilate
co theecharaZter Of their felitetv subjects, e.ho have
not been in stinilar circurnstatte4a, and become fitted