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London, England, 1834-07-11 00:00:00

THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH.

The Earl of WINCHIL SE A presented petitions in favour
of the Established Church.

The Duke of GLOUCESTER presented a petition from
Great Yarmouth to the same effect.

Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition from the farmers
of Lambert Briggs, it. the County of Lincoln, praying that
some punishment might be inflicted short of death upon those
who were convicted and found guilty of arson.
CAPITAL PUNISHMENTS BILL.

On the motion of Lord SUFFIELD, the Order of the
Day for the second reading of this Bill was discharged.
POOR LAW AMENDMENT BILL.

The Earl of MALMESBURY presented a Petition, pray-
ing the House to postpone the second reading of the Poor Law
Amendment Bill till next Session.

Lord KENYON presented petitions from the parishes o
St. John, \Yapping, St. Luke's, and St. Marylebone, against
the Poor Law Amendment Bill.
THE MINISTRY.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY seeing the Noble
Earl ( Grey) opposite in his place, merely wished to say a
few words with regard to what passed last night. He
thought that when measures were being brought forward,
such as that which was about to be brought forward that
evening, (the Poor Law Amendment Bill) they ought to
know who were the responsible advisers of the Crown—
( Hear.) The Noble Lord on the Woolsack had admitted last
night (as he understood) that it was usual for Parliament to
adjourn until a responsible Government was formed, and he
thought there could not be much diversity of opinion that
that would be the proper course to take on the present
occasion. He had received various communications relative
to the Bill he had referred to, from the county of Durham, and
the magistrates of that county had stated to him that it
was one of the most injurious and one of the most audacious
Bills that could possibly be passed by the Legislature.
Under these circumstances he did think it became their
Lordships seriously to consider whether, after the example of
the other House of Parliament, which had thought fit to ad-
journ the House for a period, in which the Administration
might be formed.
it was not their duty to adjourn for the present. He stated
this individually, and contrary to the wish of many Noble
Lords on his side the House ; but his feeling was, that they
ought not to proceed, under existing circumstances, with any
important measure.
Earl GREY said that no man was more unwilling than
himself that a Bill of so much importance should be postponed.
He had stated on a former occasion the reasons which induced
him to except this Bill from the other measures which had
been brought before the House. He considered it as no party
question.—( Great cheering.) It was true that it involved
great consideration, and he had considered it his duty, circum-
stanced as he was, to bring it before the House.—( Hear
hear.) If their Lordships thought that the incomplete
state of the Government made it unadvisable to bring it before
the House, he should at once bow to that decision. He must,
however, say that his course was quite clear, and it was only
with their Lordships to say whether the discussion upon the
Bill should go on or not. If their Lordships should think
that the second reading of the Bill ought to tak place, but
that the Bill ought not to go into a committee, he must say, it
would be much better that the Bill should be postponed until
a more favourablepcortunity presented itself of bringing it be-
fore their Lordships.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said lie thought the
House could not do better than abide by the sense
and opinion of his Noble Friend. The greatest incon-
venience and mischief to the country would follow
if the second reading of this most salutary and remedial
measure should be in the least degree put in jeopardy during
the present session.—( Hear.) If he thought it would be so,
he should be the last person even to consult the convenience
of his Noble Friend.

The Duke of CUMBERLAND, who spoke in a very low
tone,_ was understood to express his opinion that the House
ought not to proceed.
The Duke of WELLINGTON could not agree with the
proposal of his Noble Friend the Earl of Malmesbury, that
the Bill should be postponed until next session, because he
thought there was time enough this session to dispose of it.—
( Hear.) His Noble Friend opposite (Earl Grey) proposed
that the Bill should not be considered to-day on account
of the state of the Ministry, and to that proposal he would
offer no objection ; but there was a most important point in
this Bill, viz.—the appointment of Commissioners, and, above
all, the selection of them.—(Hear, hear.) Certainly it was
most desirable that before the House should come to a deci-
sion upon that point, that it should know who were to be those
persons.
The Earl of WINC HIL SE A agreed with the Noble Duke
that it ought to be known who were to be the Commissioners,
and he should also very much like to know in whom their
appointment was to be vested.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that the difficulty on this
point might be obviated by simply mentioning the names
of the commissioners in the Bill. He could not but
do full justice to the Noble Earl opposite, and to the motive
of his Majesty's late Government for bringing forward the
Bill.---( Hear.) He thought it did them great credit, for
although they had incurred n uch odium, and ran the risk
of great unpopularity, they determined to bring it forward,
because they thought they would be doing good to the country
at large.—( Hear, hear.) Whatever might have been their
other acts, he believed this Bill would effect the happiness
of the great majority of the community.—( Hear, hear.)
Although the Noble Earl opposite had wished for a short post-
ponement, it was still competent for his Noble Friend to bring
forward his motion, but he must say that the postponement
of this measure to another session would not be a great
pUblic misfortune.—( Hear, hear, hear.) No matter whether
the late Government should be re-constructed, or a new Go-
vernment formed, he thought it would be to the interest of any
Government that possibly could be formed, to propose some
amendments on the principle of this Bill. He was therefore
most anxious that the Bill should be proceeded with this
Session.

The Duke of BUCKINGHAM said, the Bill was so very
mportant, affecting as it did the rights and property of every
andholder in the kingdom, that it ought not to be pro-
ceeded in without a responsible Ministry being in existence.
He had no wish that it should be postponed till next Session,
but he certainly could not see that the House could properly
proceed with the measure till the Ministry was settled.
Earl GREY said he must state, as he had done before, that
he stood entirely subject to the decision of the House. The
Noble arid Learned Lord on the Woolsack had proposed
that the decision should be left to him, he must
oppose that as he thought their Lordships would see that it
would place him in a very invidious situation--( Cheers.) He
must admit there was an inconvenience in bringing forward such
a measure while there was no Ministry redly in exist-
ence.--( Hear, hear.) He, however, must say that he
did not see that any more responsibility attached to the
Noble Lord who proposed the measure, than would to
any other of their Lordships.—( Cheers.) In consequence of
what had fallen from the Noble Duke, and the Noble
Lord, he was very much inclined to postpone the
discussion till another administration was formed, for
certainly, as the Commissioners under the Bill would pos-
sess great and extraordinary powers, it was but reasonable
that the House should know who were to have the
election of them.—( Hear, hear, and Cheers.) Let
who would be Ministers he was certain, in the selection they
would look at nothing but the fitness of the persons they
proposed, because upon their conduct would certainly
depend the working and success of the measure--( Hear)—
( Cheers.) The Noble Lord had proposed that the Com-
missioners should be named in the Bill, but he (Earl Grey)
would not agree to that, as it certainly would be very in-
convenient to discuss the merits of individuals in that
House.—( Hear.) Therefore he would not object to the
discussion upon the bill being postponed, but he would
suggest to the House that it would perhaps be better to take
the discussion upon the motion of the Noble Earl opposite
(Malmesbury) and decide whether it should be postponed
or not—( Cheers)—and then if the House decided, as he
trusted they would, that it should be proceeded in that session,
the further consideration of it might be postponed till the Go-
vernment was settled.
After a few words from the Earl of Malmesbury, the Duke
of Richmond, and the Earl of Wincbilsea,