The Sun.
London, England, 1834-03-13 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,
THIS DAY, THURSDAY, MARCH 13.

HOUSE OF COMMONS

The SPEAKER took the chair at twelve o'clock.
Mr. EWING presented twd petitions from the merchants of
refe rr
Glasgoedw, against the Glasgow Water-works Bill—They were
to a committee of the house on the same.
c Sir S. 'WHALLEY obtained leave to bring up the St. Pan-
srtas
MG I
rrnprovement Bill and the
boroughin of Southwark.
RaiIedNILSON PATTEN brought up the Runconi-gap
saf Rffi..—Read a third time.
Bair CHAYTOR brought up the Gloucester Enclosure
Sir CHARLES BLUNT presented two petitions from the
Protestant Dissenters of l, hi the same place.
Inlape Lewes, in Sussex, and the Presbytery
IT' J. R• KEMP supported the prayer of the petition:
Mr
CLAY METROPOLITAN POLICE.
George's i presented a petition from the parish of St.
and resp n the East, Middlesex, agreed to at a very numerous
ectable meeting, and signed by the churchwarden
.on
itstPaalt The Petitioners stated that the Metropolitan Police
blishment was utterly at variance with the principles of the
British Constitution, and prayed that the honourable
w
force Mild adopt such measures as would place that
The
houttiider the control of the local magistrate.--(Hear.)
tion, bu,..Tember would not enter into the merits of the ques-
Popui-1' appeared to him that in that as well as in other
weer.'" Parishes of the metropolis very considerable dis-
h 1,4, "
Prevailed towards that force.—(Hear.) He regretted
great veenaleBeue:Onder proper regulation, it was susceptible of
""
and and, from its power of acting with combined force
raette!, would be of great
the ato the .of
had
been ,Pa,, its* He hoped that select committeepeace which
and 2'Pointed by that house to inquire into the management
e.ntitution of the police force, would perfect what the
thnennittee of last year had left unfinished. He moved that
fiedi*,,f;,.
""on be referred to that committee, and he was satin_
tione79 would investigate every ground on which the petri
that 'night have reason to complain. The house must feel
U value and efficiency of that force mainly depended
Wil4iog supported by the respect, confidence, and good
Sir those for whose benefit it was intended.—(Hear.)
perfect WHALLEY admitted that a police force was
tloor
_,lleeessary, but the people of the metropolis were
tines ""ettUpon to contribute in local taxation almost three
d
the par,l4l°Oeh as formerly. He was glad to see the. noble. or
heeaus-ler-Secretary for the Home Department, in his place,
member "e had some right to complain that neither of the hon.
kittee-4 for Westminster had been appointed upon that coin-
ePen t- a The!, had appointed his hon. and learned colleague
opinedandee, knowing that he had other duties to fulfil,
fiittLod not attend it.
IIOWICK defended the manner in whichhad been
the com-
Moleh ad been appointed. Last session a committee
The "i t 0 WiliCh not the slightest objection had been made.
tp brei ,q`latittee had proceeded to investigate, but were unable
rttore''g their labours to a close; and in pursuance of the
lioniteat"odation of that committee, another had been rip-
' and he (Lord H.) had copied the list of last session—
four "ear)—Merely substituting for the names of three or
Perionehctlemen, who were unable to attend, the names of other
"10, he had reason to believe, would attend. He
tive ri therefore, that the assertion of the hon. baronet. rela-
ealle;fthe appointment of that committee was unfair and un-
tarile ho r' He thought also that the statement made by the
tva3 a ',4•Meitiber with respect to the expense of thepolice force
fhatee- aittle Premature, as he could assure the house that
b‘serny, 4'l4ishrnent had been managed with the greatest eco-
-7-....(tf Person who looked to the services rendered by that
pen ti ;;;ear)—would at once admit that the money expended
wheu ...force had not been thrown away. thought that
owellecluiry was just about to be teedcommen it would be
o ithe expression of opinions of that sort which could
ied7 10premature and not very useful discussion, was
Colon
Vitt LI EVANS did not think the explanatidh of the noble
he had satisfactory.He had some right to complain that
ad not
anyth got enhonoured with any portion of. the confidence
eth—'ernlilent as he had not been appointed on that or
•ber cottee a pointed by the government. A com.-
4ffsiN "ad been some) time ago appointed regarding India
i'.and although there
al t° wa India, only one military
government had done
be„h"°r of excluding him from the committee. He-had
some et„,; excluded from another committee upon which he had
~,rnalehl,nl
did to be appointed and it • would appear as if the go-
"leth,c,“. not count upOn his support in their committee.
her, froth et
it was quite unfair to exclude metropolitan mem-
riar,n't such committees. He returned his thanks to the
cahnoe it-trrt aud the government for excluding him from those
4.oPniiii.„,,ees. He should lose a great deal of time had he been
oeeii •-" but he
apps„, would endeavour to do his duty if he had
ers
taxi had
sited. It appeared that the great body of the househoi_
h *trim h. •
Of the e jection to a force not only military but par.
,„--teroitt„ esPionage system as appeared by the report of the
"hkfl tice of that house. The force amounted to 3,000 men,
galled "seelved to be too large, and the expense nearly
bou ..at
of 6,000 or 7,000 of the artillery, which
Tice.' at• the most expensive force in his Majesty's ser.
but e had some doubts to the efficiency of the commit
teet thes as
the ere all aware that it was customary on the part
Jeet b°verinnent whenever they had a particular ob-
'al "tt:illeW,vat° aPPO' int committees formed of members of
(1:45 f 'af thinking to give particular reports.
-‘aW the Object
""e large body of the people was, not to
Shoulwith.
reader 7
enlee f frorn the cont of of the gover nmen t, but
d asuss:e._ottlt forceffi for the as that they for th. !Itogetber a weapon inpublic the handsservice, of the Minister
Sir itotliTsVr.
indgrnent upon the
who
hoped the house would suspend. its
putt and every thin e question of the expense of adminiS
l'ott. Expense was g else. until the committee made its re_
kuount, it would a 'dative term and in determining the
the ild be necessary to ' waY were overch - inquire whether the dress or
any arged, or whether the police was applied to
vorposes of p.atronage. It was of great importance that
'''rk intrust rated
en ed with authority should be sufficiently remune-
Ilear,, as to secure' them from temptation.—(Hear, hear,
trot, ), AS to placing the police under parochial eon-
ior hi.
part he was of opinion it would be better
th Illane the government alone responsible, for the moment
bill Placed the police under parochial authority, the responds,
°f the Commissioners and the Government would belu el;
to batu',rttl, and in times of commotion it would be found di. cu
wiiih'ing the parishes to aft in concert. Although he chd. not
Who t° prevent any gentleman from attending thecomm ittee
o .
should aired it, and was anxious that the fullest investigationi
nion be given, he hoped the house would reserve its final op -t
allow 4otil the report of the committee was made, and no
that the centimenti of any individual, whether belonging to
enrernitfee or not, to have any influence until the whole
subject
was before th
Hones EVANS einexPlained.
nett oll:neltE begged here to observe, that there were
ah„,ss an nine memers connected with the metropolis
on the comm,'ea7orBEAUCLERIf •
'widered said he would support the petition.
his
coustitu the nisi
.—dee--and this was the general opinion of his
o was not Very expensive force. He would not say that
that thopedtan efficient force, but it was too expensive, and he as thegovernment would look to this. He conceived also
l'artmeart7l,,..lce should not be under the direction of the Home De.
that was ghee he considered it a very dangerous precedent
14411 h: fat by tbe right hon. baronet below (Sir R. Peel.) The
the Most for
PUiting
the day, h
is force under the Home Department was
aY, he lea 3 one that had passed through the house, and
elle it' A 8 red, would come when they would have cause to
Dthoseition., andaPohi_nt of conscience, he gave this measure all op-
Polite e thought the best plan would be to put
the ,i,Under the direction of pa
board to be chosen
Parishes.—(Hear,
that the .dferent
think ourohe hear.) He thought
tnev r Ipf men might also be reduced, but he did not
well • - were •
Paul, but Paid too much, individually they were not too
betadto,nd 'nen fruatiler Paid too little, as they could not expect to
PaiCll that 7 guinea a week. There were a great man,
be The ar nrce, and, he believed, because they were. ill
*„,"/' well trnber of the police, however, he thought might
knell
I,redueed.
the Police ore
said that in extending the expense. of
1 great force they ought to take into consideration
sieL---(1•1:1-1 in the diminished number of robberies of
the R. ptt.sa.,
thel)°,lice fore: said, that as to the constitutional objectinonndteor
tothdireet,o4
n'! he thought it would be better placed
dif er than the Home Department, which was responsible,
erent , Under an irresponsible board, assembled by the
kr. I arishes.
give ItOttur, —(Hear hear.)
Let
," good •-•K said that he thought it would be better to
heaLuern haveßoer/I:lent power, than to take it all away.
1 r') The Power, but render them responsible.—(Hear,
teheeted that
vhonourable member said that it should be recol-f
f 11e1Pengesnat house voted 60,0001. for the payment o
e xl:P°11 the °I the police, so that a great part of that expense
H. e"°trY atl
the
.arge.
beat,'"ee for„ 'its said he hoped they would. not dimiaishnot
to
11 all the ex He thought that the metropolis ought
4ts!'ts thPeose of the police force, as persons camefrom
4 r great
ipl',,,ngdoln to put themselves under the protection
the h HAl,vEs
ill 00. inetni) concurred in the sentiments expressed by
thaeX4terice er for Bath ; there was no force, no institution
la: the „oil 'which could be conducted with more ec.onomy
ee f
eXkll, ere
• Year
w °rce"---(Hear, hear)—and the committee of
Port e Might rnously of opinion, that whatever
_itseane:
con„,°f that „,,ue, !I was highly useful to the public. Th n-f a aWeototionaromr nottee approved of the system, whether
p,e,.,1 to, I.
„Pecuniary point of view ; it was unanimously
werwas also ascertained that wherever there had
usly been
an efa •
Dos,'ilatvery inecete efficient police—and in many places there
thous
credit
fun .tt °nes—the expense came as clos y the s„ 'lie new police. The committee gave great
rin,r, ds,
an:rf ein of economy
an adoted in the
on management of
for, htlario ;aourahrewer
tileY e unimousply of opini that no two
one point, the intro could be appointed to superintend the
opirnonliti howepveesent commissioners,—(Hear.) There was
Policeshol that 7.,' cot which there was some difference of
a' that it seemed to be desirable that the
that they ;isn't noxtaln,sivelY under the controul of the com_
~ 1/17.-12,7'gn,,t not lt all under that of the
.government, so
4- right 'TT ~,"e employed in any political matter.
of 01, 011. b„;'d the country was much indebted to
hF Perfectly police
fell_et (Sir R. Peel) for the institution
etly aereett
,hree, With respect of the commissioners,
at there could not be two more efficient