The Sun.
London, England, 1802-02-18 00:00:00

PETITIONS FOR PRIVATE BILLS.

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,70HN CALLA NDER said, that a great
number of Petitions for Private Bills were still be-
hind, and were not, from various causes, likely to
arrive within the peridd limited by the House for
the reception of Private Petitions. He therefore
moved that the time for receiving Petitions for Pri-
vate Bills should be enlarged till Friday se'nnight.
Mr. N. VANS ITTART complained of the delay
which took place in bringing up Petitions for Private
Bills, and the hindrance to Public Business, which
increased from enlarging the time for their recep.
tion. If a similar Motion was made in the next
Session of Parliament, he should, he said, require
some strong reason to be assigned before he gave his

aisent.
The Motion was then put and carried.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, he rose in pursuance of a Notice he bad given
to call the attention of the House to the subjed of
the Civil List,
.and referred to Papers which, by
His Majesty's Commands, he had laid before the
House. He observed, that if he were to follow the
pradice which .had been pursued on similar occa-
sions, he should content himself, with making the
same Motion as if this were a gracious Communica-
tion from His Majesty upon some political snbjed,
that the Accounts now before the House be referred
to a Committee of Supply ; but it .had occurred to
him to be due to the House, to the Public, and, in-
deed, to His Majesty himself, that the circumstances
which had occasioned such accumulation of debt,
should he fully investigated and made public. He
was fully convinced, that, if it should be the plea-
sure of the House to appoint a Committee for the
investigation of this subjed, every Member in the
House would be. convinced, that the causes of that
accumulation were, in a great degree, unavoidable, •
and that no sentiment, but that of regret, would be
felt, by any Member of that House, on that occa.
sion. It would be recolleded, that i 6 years had •
now elapsed since arrangements were made, and a
schedule prepared of the ,various branches of the
Civil List. Let every Gentleman in the House re-
coiled, how, in that length of time, pecidiar cir-
cumstances had occurred, and had operated on the
various branches of expenditure—in every way of
viewing expenditure ; let them refer to their own
domestic concerns—let them look dt those points
which most immediately attracted the attention,
and affected, in the most lively manner, the feelings
of us all; and then they would not be at a toss to
account for a large proportion, at least, of the debt
of the Civil List, the particulars of which were
laid before the House. , It would be inconsistent
with the purpose he now had in view, which was
that of recommending to the House the appointment
of a Committee, to enter into minute particulars in
this state of things : all that he wished now, was
that the House should appoint a Committee for in_
quiring into this subjed, who would, of course, en-
ter into it, as the House would afterwards, when
they came to peruse the labours of the Committee,
without any predisposition or pre-conceived opi-
nion, with resped, either to the nature of the debt,
or the circumstances which led to its accumulation.
He was desirous of abstaining from every thing that
might have the appearance of any anticipation, in
the slightest degree, of what the Committee might
do when they came to examine this subjed, but
above all, he was desirous there should be no
appearance of anticipation, as to what would
be the judgment of the House upon it. Un-
der these circumstances, he indulged a hope, that
in the present stage of the proceeding, no objedion
would be offered to the course he was about to sub-
mit, that of making the subjed a matter of inquiry
before a Committee. If utter a Committee should
have been appointed, any Gentleman should 'desire
it, an interval shotbd be allo,,veil betweerl the time
of making the Report and that of discussing, the
subjed, as large as the candour of any such person
could desire ; and when the Report should be taken
into consideration, •as ample and as minute an in-
vestigation should take place, as tile importance of
the Subjed should require. He shoUld now move,
!‘• That a Committee be appointed to take into con-
*ideration the several Accounts presented yesterday
,to this House by Mr. CHANCELLOR, of the Exc HE-
Azetrit, by His Majesty's Command, relative to the
Civil _List ; that they do examine the saidAccOue•
• eeee,
and zepat; the same, as it shall appear to them;
toge
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thee with their obse.rvations:thereuixini tcctlie

The Question being pat,
Mr. MANNERS SUTTON said, he trusted it
would not be thought improper in him, if for a few
minutes he trespassed upon the attention of the
House, by referring to some circumstances relative
to the Affairs of His Royal Highness the Prince of
Wales, and which appeared to him to he material
for the consideration of the House. Every Member
of that House knew that the title of the Duke of
Cornwall was part of the possessions' of the Crown
until the birth of the eldest Son ; that immediately
after such birth, the title separated from the Crown,
and became vested in His Royal Highness. He is born
Duke of Cornwall, was proprietor of all the rights,
and vested witls all the privileges that are incideht
to that Dutchy; of course its, revenues are to be.
secured to him, and to be made to accumulate dur-
ing his minority. In the case of His Royal High-
ness, .the present Prince, these.funds had not been
so secured, nor had any such profit's so accumulated,
for they had been applied in aid of the Civil List,
and the Civil List must have had other resources if
these profits had not been applied in aid of it.
Although, in poiht of form, this had been said to
be a question between His Majesty and the Prince
of Wales, but that was a mere form, for the sub-
stance of the matter aias between His Royal High-
ness and the Public ; for the Public had, in reality,
received the revenues of the Dutchy of Cornwall.
If indeed this could in any way of considering it,
be called a question between His Royal Highness
and His Majesty, he would 'venture to assert, that
the House of Commons would .never have heard
of it, for. he knew the disposition of His Royal
Highness to be such, that he would most readily
sacrifice his interest to his feelings : the regard and
affeetion he bore for the King was such, as could
not allow him to make any peCuniary concern a
matter of contest between him and his Royal Parent.
Mr. SUTTON said, he had in the discharge of his
.duty, on a former occasion alluded to the sentiments
entertained by His Royal Highness towards His
Majesty, and the House might be assured, that
these were the unaffdled sentiments of His Royal
Highness. This was a claim of right which His
Royal Highness had upon the Public for property
which belongs to him, and which had been appro- •
protted to the Public Use. When he stated the
• title of the Prince of Wales, that of Duke of Corn-
wall, and his right . to all that belonged to the
Dutchy of .Cornwall, and his own opinion upon
that right, which opinion was of no weight, yea
the matter was not to rest there, fer it was the
opinion of one of the most eminent in the Pro-
fession of the Law, qne of 'the most experienced
men at the Bar, one of the most learned men the
Profession ever ha', he meant Mr. MANSFIELD,
that His Royal Highness was entitled to every thing
that belonged to the Dutchy of Cornwall, in the
most ample manner that the claim was ever made.
He had given his opinion entirely in favour of His
Royal Highness the Prince of WaleS. He was
aware, that when this question was considered
some years ago, two persons, very high in their
Profession, had given opinions, if not the other
way, yet they had expressed doubt upon this mat-
ter ; but the whole case, he presumed, was not
before them when they entertained that doubt; but
if the same points had been before them as had
been before Mr, Maas-sat E LD, the Noble Lord al-
luded to would have been of another opinion, as he
believed was his Right Hon. and Learned Friend
on his left hand, the MASTER of the Roaas. The
amount of the revenue from the year 1762, the
time of the birth of the Prince of Wales, until the
year 1783, would have amounted to little less than
400;0001. calculating it at the rate of interest which
might be made of it either on Government, or on
other and real security. Continuing it until now,
the same revenue would have amounted to near
900,0001. Now he knew it might be said that -
some dada -lions should be made for expences of the
Prince of Wales during his minority, and two small
sums of i2ooool. and t 6,0001. advanced to His
Royal Highness's Privy Purse. There - was no
separate provision made for the Establishment of
the Prince of Wales, .until the. year 1781---yet
giving credit for every allowance or advance made
for His Royal Highness, there would now remain
due to him between 6 and 700,0001. Now the
provisions that had been made to the Prince of
Wales, from tine to time, as Heir Apparent to the
Crown, had not been fully, considered. When
His 'present. Majesty attained his age of ovens
ty-one, 60,0001. were voted to defray his ex.
peaces.--295,000!. were voted in all for His Royal
Highness, but after ded&ling the sums laid out on
Carlton-house, which, by to way, was not the.
property of the Prince, but an improvethent of the
property of the Crown, His Royal Highness would
then not have above 250,0001. ;. short, very short,
indeed, of what was really due to the Prince in
1783. He should not enter minutely into partied-
lars—but let the House compare the slims voted for
the present Heir Apparent, with those voted for his
predecessors. In the year 1742, ioo,oool. a-year
were voted for the support .f Frederick Prince of
Wales, the father of His present Majesty : at that
time His Majesty was the eldest son of the Prince
of Wales, and only four years. of age. The suns
was not voted on account of the expence of his
' family, but only in consequence of the rank and
distiation' which the Prince of Wales was then to
support. Now the Income of the Prince of Wales
in 1783, was only so,oool. In .1787 it was 60,0001.
and on his Marriage it was increased to 120,c901.
out of which 75,0001. was appropriated by Ad of
Parliament, for the liquidation of his Debts. How
much His Royal Highness had been obliged to re-
duce his Establishment, in order'to come within his
limited Income, was well known. When he stated
the Income of His Royal,Highness, and compared it
with the Income of his Grand-father in the year
1742, which was 1 oo,000l.• and which was not
thought more than sufficient for .the 'support of
the Heir Aparent, and when the House came to
consider the difference of price in every article of
the necessaries as well assthe luxuries of life, it would
appear perhaps matter of surprize that. the Income
of the Prince of Wales had not been coosidetably
increased. He hoped, in making this Statement to.
.....
i the'..houae, he should not be suppgaed to say any
thing' Chit: should excite an idea either • that His
Royal Flv,hness -felt, or That he was authorized to
express any disappointment. or dissatisfaaion, 0.; to

make any application to the House relating to the.
affairs of His Royal Highness ; on the contrary,
His Royal Highness felt strongly impressed with
gratitude to the House, for every thing that had
been clone for him; and His Royal Highness was con-
vinced, that whenever his concerns had been-before
them, the House had discharged its duty faithfully
to the Public, anti in a manner highly honourable
to themselves, as well as favourable to His Royal
Highness. But Mr. SoxTost said, he thought it
right that the Public should know the fads as they
applied to the circumstances and affairs of His Royal
Highness ; by which, be trusted, it would appear, S
that, great as the expences of the Heir Apparent
necessarily must be, they had been borne by His
Royal Highness himself; that they had not fallen
heavily On the Public, and in one word, that His Royal
Highness had not added any thing to the difficulty of
the times, which all classes of His Majesty's SubjeCts
had so lately felt—He hoped the House would be of
opinion, that considering the nature of the station
which His Royal Highness had to fill, looking at it
in the point of view, he had taken the liberty of
placing it, his Royal Highness had not received more
than he was entitled to, but on the contrary, there
was a balance in his: favour, and that in short he was
a Creditor, not a Debtor of the Public.---It was his
object, Mr. SUTTON said, to take away any wrong
impression which might' have been made on some
part of the Public with reference to the affairs of
his Royal Highness---of the concerns of that
Illustrious Personae, in whose honour and wet.
fare every Member of that House must feel a deep
interest, as being united with that of the Country
itself,--He hoped his zeal had not led hiin to mis-
represent any thing whatever upon this subjeds I
either in suppressing what was important, or
expatiating improperly upon . what was defectively
stated. He hoped he had not said any thing that
might have the effect of embarrassing the Executive
Government, 'or of throwing any obstacles in the
way of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He was
sure, that if he had made any observation that had
that tendency, he had misrepresented his own
wishes entirely, and he was as far from complying .
with the wishes of His Royal Highness as of his
• own, if any thing he' had said either had that tqh,. '
dency, or could-be supposed to have it.—He could
not think of embarrasSing His Majesty, nor ,
could he 'be supposed to have said any thing to
that effect, nor should his conduct justify any such
thought, if any such could be entertained; for •he
had no plan to offer, nor any thing to propose to
the House upon this subject. • He could not think
of saying any thing against the Ministers of the
Government of this Country ; it was composed of
men, for whose public and private charaders he
had the highest esteem. There was no blame what-
ever imputable to the Cesa.NcssLoß of the Ex.
CHEQUER. It was not the province of the CHAN-
CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER to assert this Claim
on the part of His Royal Highness, which
claim had not, indeed, been ever effeetually made.
If the House. should ever think proper farther to
investigate this matter, it would be his duty, as
it was his anxious wish, to give to the House every
assistance in his power, but the discussion of this im-
portant subjed would come with more propriety from
some Gentleman more known to the 14'nuse, and
of more weight in it than himself; and if the House
should ever take the question up, he .was confident
they would consider it fully, freely, and impar-
tially ; that the House would look at the interests of
His Royal Highness, as they really were, closely and
inseparably connected with their own.—They could
not neglect a single point in them without also ne-
gleding the interest of the Public, which the House
could not negled. ' The honour and interest of the
Prince was united to the honour and interest of the
Public.
Mr. FOX said, he should trouble the House with
but a very few words upon this subjed, and he
. thought the House were much obliged to the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman who had introduced a part
of the subjed, for the very clean and very able
manner in which he had stated it; that is to say,
the claims of His Royal -Highness the Prince of
Wales. He agreed entirely with the Learned Gen.
tleman in almost every word that had fallen from
him upon that subjed, and every thing which he
stated as connected with it ; and he did most sin.
cerely hope the House would take up the matter
which had been that day opened by that Hon. and
Learned Gentle Man. He approved highly of the
prudence and the wisdom of stating it in the way
which it had been stated : he agreed with the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman, that neither the House it.
self; nor any person, either. in the former Admi-
nistration, perhaps, nor in the present Administra-
tion, .'ould be said to be strictly to blame upon this
occasion. He certainly, however, agreed with the
Learned Gentleman even in the prudence of not agi-
tating the question, whether any person was to
blame or not. He agreed also with the Learned
Gentleman, in his statement of the claims of His
Royal Highness never having, been effeaually as-
serted; that they never were effedually asserted was
.most true, but as he had had the honour of stating
more than once his sentiments upon this subjed, he
thought it due from him to the HoUse,he thought
it due from him to hiniself,sto 'repeat what he had
formerly said upon that occasion, namely, that it
svas a subjed well worth the serious attention of
that House. He had reviewed that 'opinion, and
the result of his so reviewing it was a confirma-
tion of that opinion : hut, because he did most
heartily wish to see the claims of His Royal High-
ness effeduallyaisserted, or at least asserted •in a
manner more likely to be effectual, than he could
hope to accomplish, he had abstained from making
any proposition on that subjeet. He hoped, how-
ever,. the' Hon. and Learned Gentleman would have
some proposition to state ; he alledged,.. indeed, it
would come with more propriety from any other
person than himself; it was that parts:if the Speech
of the Learned Gentleman, and the only part of his
Speech from which he differed. Since His Royal
Highness had considerable claims, he could not help
thinking that His Royal Highness could not have
that subjdt put in a better train or course, than that
of having it considered by the House of Commons.
As on former occasions, application had been-made
for the payment ofhis.delets, or the increase of his
income, it was his opinion there was greet- hard-
ship in the case of a person of such high xank hay.

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ing his debts stated in that. Mese; liable, 29 sorbli
a statement must be, to afl the comments 11"iee
were made on such debts, and liable also Waif
opinions of. that House, which, although ec'rresile
formed, yet, under which, an opinion had prev;he
ed with a great part of the Public, Oa, cse
House was granting to His Royal flifaneege
something to which he was not entitled, vine'off
faa, His Royal- Highness was entitled te-TAJ
than was granted. The Learned Gentleman ."-4.
there was no complaint made upon the subiet.
His Royal Highness ; should the Prince be discuji
to complain, Ms. Fox said. there was no inalicia of
of whom he had a greater right to complain tell sr,
himself (iVIr. Fox).. in this, he alluded. to t'''
arrangements which were Made for the parnenma,"
the Debts of. the Prince of Wales, when 7,50°-boi; .
was deducted out of s zo,oool. per annum, for rere,
liquidation. He had concurred in, that illeas"Agi •
although he felt the severity of it, and he m' is
say, felt it perhaps more than some indiv'eonle
might do, as, besides the esteem and resPe',
ro
had for His Royal Highness, as Heir Appal-en' fee
the Throne, he felt moth regard and affeaitges
him, from an early period of his life, from ell'es
stances which procured him the honour of the )4
quaintance of that illustrious Prince. He th°lley
the zzo,oool. allowed to His Royal Highne,ss:g of.
no means too great a provision for a Print e•
Wales. The Learned Gentleman said, that trei
rick Prince_ of Wales, Grandfather to Hie I", °et
Highness, in the year r 742, had /00,00°".,`00.
annum, which, considering the 'difference of rlQas,
and the value of money between the two Per thie
oo
.was certainly .a greater allowance' to the foroller
to his present Royal Highness; but there 009:2,
01
ther mode of considering the Income of His A4lglie
Highness, and that was, by comparing it tCroae
increase of the civil List. Now, supposing tan
120,0001. was a liberal allowance—certainly of rect
extravagant allosvance, it should be remeelnedge
that 75,0001. of that sum was appropriated fclic be,
payment of his Debts. .Upon that groan% of
thought the provision too small for the "seel/er;bet
His Royal Highness, and shOuld like.to have:;e •
sum increased •by the liberality of Parliattle,ri,
Why then did he concur in the Vote for aPr,„l of
ating Thoool. out of tzo,oool. for , the paltr`e-0,
the Debts ? Not because bethought the hie •
sum sufficient to support His Royal HighneSe ,'"ness.
dignity and state, but because His Royal klirjed
had previously declared that he would be satillibe
with it. He thought it was not consistent vt.i.ift'eee'
hbnour of that Prince, to take more after telt gee
claration ; but if upon the AccoUnts now b,etar;of I
House, it should be found that every alts
which was then used against paying the Dc:':l-
His Royal Highness otherwise than out of
come, such arguments. mustapply as strongly' bD
indeed, more strongly, to the Civil le'srivieg"
should in that case, feel no difficulty in t'l'll'isabe
such arguments to the Civil List, When
„gilla, if,e
jea should come forward for discussion.---41e-410"
Question itself he should say but a few words, 'to
he believed the House was disposed to refer itt so
Committee of Supply, and indeed he did 119,, tee
how the House could well do otherwise; ll'etir'e elef-
spea to His Majesty, even supposing alat.,`-A 00!
feet of it was unfit to be granted, deman7''
course ; but this matter demanded_ a paiti
vestigation, and he was very desirous to betleill
stood not to convey even-a momentary idei. ipe
should give a vote in favour of the request OP; 04'
in that Message. He. should at present stlt;c •
general principles, which, in his mind, 5f"."...,
tremely important for the House to attend I°,;i
was a material circumstance in the Histoll .
Country, that ever since the Revolutiqn 'lsc'ecel
and practice had been, on the accessieen °'"The e
Prince to the Throne, to grant a Civil leiSc'„jVol C
He knew some persons thought an Anntir,, °'l
would be better : doubts 'had been eestert37:6 0,
this subject by very respectable Persons
not then going to' argue upon that 'su4 jeet, n "ea iff'
it necessary so to argue. He had Longderon iff
however, and he had formed an opinion,
°
after as much attention as he was eveese able oteri''
to any subject whatever. The result of thab stoP
tion was, that he was of opinion, our. Ateit4
;idea -wisely in granting a sum tee the I'l
Princes for the Civil List for life, aced of Ournarse;.
was of opinion we ought to follove that'elosil
but if circumstances which followoi A the- grroll
of such a provision for life, were made ,a l'oottil
for granting a further provision, it eleliroit4P
not be said, with propriety, that "i,e was aea, Prf'•
.provision : for it could not be a littli'oooo,
Vision, if it was liable to alter, in its ?';
by any circumstances whatever. This
,ite":
opinion which he did not believe he sho'lle- :hos'
notwithstanding the great respealibility Tieatliait
who entertained a contrary sentiment. .64
ment thought itself, at the. time of granting-Aft,
List, Unable .to judge what the Civil Lkst,t
wards ought to be, that was a rea son agalrii-07.
.
Ang any permanent sum whatevet for elpo°„1.
List ; and the House should consider o'9lle c't
that if those circumstances, instead of turn' ph
unfavourably to the amount of the Civil Liscro 05Ife
be on the other side, that is, that the Cie„v
might be too ample, there wailed be no' role"
means of reducing such a Civil List, and ;bet pr‘ir
it appeared to him to be of the essence of tifestli
ciple, by which a limited Civil List court t'n JAI°
ed, that the sum should be fixed and eert3l-oeeil
it should be taken as a general principles al,' el 0,1/„.
Civil List- was voted, that it should be d„eee-i, 1,154
held sufficient for all the purposes of a L",,"•ple :me
The House should remember that the. Pr'''.l-treio
limitation goes upon this ground, that' the, edoe to
shall.be made to suit theincome, not the In
sons:te
• suit the expences ; but by these aePlic:,tes
augment the Civil List, all the alteraC-vere
made on one side, that is, the expeeoes 'ewr'
creased, and therefore the income Was e-raele fo
but should circumstances be ever so fri"u,'ool4
the reduction of expenditure, there never
any reduction of-the Civil List. ear °Ault'
Ifthe Civil List was voted from year ro'r--
I re* er-
other disadvantages which would acerties.t-iegri tee
-be this : suppbse 'that the politics or
f in%
to take the tut n they did in the Reign ° „wile; s4'
liarri.or of:Queen Anne ;—he. did not Ir""the 10-
:r0
he might not add, the Reign, or parto'
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lqf to the Reigni of King William and Queen Anne
'''',„4 King WilliaM for instance, who often wanted
-41eY for the' execution of plans, not indeed i
t •
ifle't nature adverse to the interests of this country,
eu,ut Plarts-in which this Nation was not immediately
necessarily concerned. Suppose, that for the put'_
pose of carrying on such plans, the King had come
ttl tile House of . Commons for moneY, or, tha.t her,
have
sin increase- of the Civil List7ne arnoi II
",ave gone either to the Tories or the Whigs
oguacid...
1-n)Pitsh his purpose. The question, then,:
and the
°'•"l;hieli would pay him the most money,
patter er the other 'would thus .become his favourite
i'.rtY, as it transcended the other in a lavish vote
'l'l tl'e PUblit 'Wealth. This would be establishing,
f')4WeCav t) two *parties, a competition f.br
dtehoei'dßedoyiaol
f"ti-- and which was ; always to be
'7°l2t.orthe party who. would bestow the most
atone Y--a competition which would be extremely
anlurinus to the Public Weal. It was,
therefore,
far 'i-,'
s
tet as .well y. her w'
et felt force as
tiffor, butman whichot he shouldreasons, In
ow
now
eiai,„„
;-ssvour to enumerate-•.-the system of making. .the
•-otii List continue • for' the life of the teigning.
6'l", was infinitely pteferable. to that of an an.:
n pnual vote. tut did this principle apply to the pay_
of debts ----i-k thought it did.- '. The other
toice) namely, ' that of allowing certain sums,
rn time to time,of debts,
ee '
-raid T
thhis fail effil to—discharg arrears t
:it necessarily circurriscrib_
e Royal
`hen this choice in its Political Servants;.
'yoked praffice prevailed; the King neeessarii 7
eapaci
for Ministers, not with.any
their
ty view of , not, With a•view to their situation in the
.
public esteem, or even hit own opinion of them, but
*Pas i
with a iriew who would vote him most money. This;
!njnjurioos to the Constitution of this Country ;
turitaus to
the pokier branch of it ; but it was
utintl s in another way it was injurious to the
fiat
by making it dependent upon Parliament,
aat is, improperly •dependent on Parliament, by
narrowing
is chose' Of Political Servants;
vopu I ar
ia"guage, the Crown, in a given sense,
for in
whichei he need !ant etplain, always was, and always
foreinuld be, depa )dent- on Parliament. It made there_
the Cf
perly dependent upon Parlia-
lerit' aild--;(l3s:nrniar P°arliament dependent upon the
Ser:wn* EY this system of paying off debts as
tk„Y myT aeeumulates a Prince was put into a situ-
e'e''')" whleh he was tempted to enter into great
Vslsetni ce' lot the defiaying of which he was after_
tilt swit4?,be dependent on Parliament—aa depend_o
te 1 'lc" no King ought to feel. Every
.King i
ag end_ , .
thee Lipp ' (1 an every Prince, ought to feel depend_
en. • • Parliame t in the support of his public.
..„ea„,_ . n
poll `."es, "Lich were properly to be lied his
aeb.ttsls, but not in the payment of hisdebts, Sheirc", ate properly his private concerns. He should
elute s
.. - 4,4 te 1, that with regard to the Civil List,
reB.4l;_PaYtti. ent of debts of all.denominations with
for the '° Princes,' an allowance ought to be made
r
11)? rn "a
t once, so that there should not occur
netlssiia, of.
as . , a second .
• se"sential a 1-
. 91rahi, . .6' toat independence which was SO de_
''star a SO'Verti 0 n or Prince, He thought it ne-
ts
readily to say this in the present stage of the pto-
geo;l%i and. to add, that Parliament would , be
mach °F gtekt injustice indeed, if it applied 'so
. • -"seti ' • e i
troeiditi, ty of prineip e, as it e.et.tainlyidid, in
or se, 8., °tat of his Royal Highness s income, a fund
Saute l'.43;inent or his Debts, and did not apply I
inpolii?4':'•l'le.to the Arrears of the Civi.l. List. ; but
. fa, ~.,
I,t laraeb' "led he Should of
.eeatrees And he trusted also, the
give his opinion more
that as-
asac Of see. . . List b discussers, that
of the..,44, , .elvil *as to e
i'' laves.'4 of His Royal Highness should also
toald latetl ; for he knew of no principle that
b*e othaPi-PY He the one, without applying also to
aring,. e.,l"e took some blame to himselffor faot lila ee.
broapet.f
~ was in Administration in 1781,
ilthe calcine, eaZ:fl(' a plats that. might finally arrange
ot help ob. liis Royal Highness ;. but.. he could
io the t sert'ing, that if . this application for aid • of His R"il List was acceded to, and the concerns
would lie R° List
Highness passed over unnoticed, it
eo neither just towards His Royal Highness,
cenn.nrable to the House, nor creditable to the
be taken He thought that a full account ought to
, taken or the.toncerns of theDutchy of Cornwall.
aenat if the' debts of Civil List ought to be paid,
theof His Royal Highness ought tO be paid also;
"le leaning, however, of his mind was, that this
4PPlication for aid to the Civil List ought not to be
acceded to—it was a question material to be set.
i 'd. He thought it necessary to say thus much
jivee present stage of this business. He could not
iiMl to this Motion, because it went only to put
toe s.tlbjea in a course of inquiry, and left it open
thatussion hereafter.
a ellie PITT PITT said, he rose to trouble the Honse for
from ments in consequence of what had fallen
lie thelion. Gentleman who had just sat down,
thasleletqettly agreed with that Hon. Gentleman,
ti We'lear' the, claim of His Royal Highness the Prince Priate's bad been stated (with a degree of pro_
Prize ',, PersPieuity, and ability, which would sur.
Cei I no 'sl* who was acquainted with the Learned
suaalt)t.".;4ll by whom that statement had been
'of tlel"l.4`t was becoming the Honour and 'the Justice
eif ineoti7f)uss that the subjel be put into a course
40 he'-;erYi' in order to ascertain what 'steps ought
at paaate—er4 It was far from his intention to offer
lie present any premature opinion upon this question.:
at - "id do that which was undoubtedly his
testy' ~:.
wdit until the subject had undergone the'fal-
. . 1.3 ir'vestigation. Whatever opinions he might
Have rich the entertained, founded upon the knowledge
situation he • formerly bald enabled him
,the btain, he should feel it highly improper to state
Judie opinions now, or to suffer any kind of pre.
eell remain. in his mind upon the subjeaa if it.
• 7'941'14 found necessary to put it into a course of
risairy.. With regard to the other part. of the
, 01°N Gentleanan's Speech, he agreed with him only
P" °lle Point, and that was, that the best time
I,° disc
the sub' ftreferred to • the Papers laid
tees, , je,
:.
--.e
the HOUSe, avonld be after the proposed in-,
Pity l''d taken place, and when the House would
a"! enabled to judge to what causes the present defi-
;ency was to be attribused; Till that period ar-
:yea; he was not prepared to give any other than
en, he
opinion.—But although he agreed
4t1I'llY) or indeed rather went beyond the Hon. Gen-
"'ant in the sentiments lie had advanced respeaing`

'the propriety of granting the-Civil List to. the S'o_
iereign for life ; although he was ebnvinced that
the plan adopted by our 'Aocestois was beyond
comparison better than any other that could have
been suggested ; although he was satisfied that thiS
plan of granting the Civil List for life could not be
departed from without breaking in upon-and violat-
ing the Principles of the Constitution ; yet he dif:
fered totally from that. Gentleman, and Must enter
his Protest against the Proposition; that Parliament,
by granting to the Sovereign at the commencement
of his Reign a Provision for life (which it should
he recolletted was. not a new grant, but a kind of
Commutation for the Hereditary Revenues), thereby
deprived itself-of the right -to make any increase in
the Civil List during that Reign, however-'the pe-
culiar circumstances of the times might lender such
an augmentation necessary. The sum so granted
to the 'Sovereign, was not to be considered as a
sum granted-in the effusion's of loyalty; or as a tri-.
bute of gratitude. •It was not to be considered as a
sum given for the exclusive use of the Monarch,
but as money granted for great public purposes, for
maintaining the different departments of the Civil
Establishment of the Country, and for supporting
that degree of splendov which vvas essential to the
existence of. Monarchy, and to the preservation of.
those Liberties which were inseparably tormeded
with it j at the proper period, when these points
came fairly under discussion, he should state his
opinion fully ; at present therefore he should trouble
the House tio longer, except to express his satisfac-
tion at the mode which his Right,Hon. Friend had
taken of introducing this subject to the House.
Mr.
,71CHOLLS said, he had thought it his duty
to give notice of his intention to move an instruc;
tion to the Cortrnittee, respeEting the Prince of
Wales's Property in the Dutchy of Cornwall. The
way, however, in whiCh the subject had been in-
troduced.this night, had superseded the necessity
of his Motion. He wished, however,. to "1 the
attention of the House to one point, which was,
that His Royal Highness had not received the too.
ney advanced during his minority, for grants of
. hinds made in consequence of the Mt of the Bth of
GEO.' 111. authorizing such grants of lands. In
that Mt the lands of the Dutchy of Cornwall are
stated to be the lands of the Prince of Wales, and
of course the money arisicv from any disposition
of them must belong to His Royal Highness. Par-
, liament authorized the Crown to dispose of these
and.consequently Parliament ought to make
good the deficiency to the owner of these lands.—
Parliament had always endeavoured, in former times,
to prom& the Property of the Prince of \Vales, even
when it was not so much bound to do so as it was
in the present instance. In the Reign of HENRY
IV. Parliament made inquiries into sortie. pro,
flise grants that had been made of the. Prince of
Wales's Property in the preceding Reign. But as
this subject was likely again to occupy the atten-
tion of Parliament, he should not now press it.
any further. He wished, however, to observe,
that it had been said, that- no claim of the Prince's
right had been Made, whereas io
,faet, a Petition
of Right had been presented to the late Chancellor.

Thi Motion was then agreed to.
The CHANcitLok of the EXCHEQUER moved,
that the number of the Seled 'Committee should be
2r, which was agreed to.
The following Gentlemen were then appointee
to constitute the Committee :
. The Chancellor of the Ex- --Mr. N. Vansittart,
drequer, , ' Mr. Bragge,
Sir William Scott, Mr. Wilberforce,
Mr. I. H. Browne, Lord Arden,
Mr. Crewe, •Lord Castlereagh,
• Mr. Plomer, Mr. Long,
Mr. Baker, - Sir R. Bunton.
Mr. Ellison; Mr. Startley, •
Lord Louvainei Mr. Burdon,
Sir J. Putteney, Mr. S. Thornton,
Mr. Hobhouse, Mr. Trench.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then
moved, " That the Committee should have power to
atijourn from time to time, notwithstanding any
adjournment of the House."—Agreed to.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then
moved, that the Committee should meet to-►morrow
morning, in the Speaker's Chamber, and that five
should be a quorum.—Agreed to.
The Papers laid before the House were then re-
ferred to the said Committee. •

The Committees of Ways and Means and Supply
were pot off till Friday next.

gr. N. Y ANS &TART moved the Order of
the Day for the House to resolve itself into a Com-
mittee to consider of the American Treaty Att.
The SPEAKER having left the Chair,
Mr. N. 'VANSITTART said, that there having
been a duty imposed in. America upon British.Siiip-
ping, it had been thought necessary to impose a
countervailing duty, in this country, op American
vessels. The United States of America had now,
hOwever, agreed to take off the &icy on their. part,
if Great Britain would, on the other hand, 'abolish
the countervailing duty. As, however, the Treaty.
containing this agreement might not arrive in time
to allow of an Aft of Parliament being passed for
the express purpose of abolishing the duty, he
thought it would be expedient that His Majesty
should be empowered to take it.off whenever the !
Treaty did arrive. He therefore moved, " That the
Chairman should be directed to move the House for
leave to bring in a bill to enable'His Majesty, 'for
a time to be limited, to cause the countervailing
dUty on American Shipping td Cease."
The Committee agreed to.. the Motion, and the
House haVing resumed, the Report w,as_ordered to
be received to-morrow.
Adjourned:at six o'clock till to-morrow.

PRICE O,
ytsri

Bank Stock
Naves per Cent. tool
ver Lent. 1797, totti
Irish 5 per Cent.
4per Cent. Con. 71.1-1
3 per Cent. Red. 7" 6914
3 per Cent. Con. 69q
Ditto Scrip
bank Long Ann. zo 946 i
Ditto Short Ann. 5a-
Dit;o Scrip,

F STOCKS,

ERDAY.

India Stock
Ex.cheq. Bills s. s. prem.
Fundable ditto prem.
3d Exchequer Bills par
New S. S. Stock
°tumult'
lmper. 3 per Cent. 69.
Ditto Ann. tz
flank ter Account
India fpr Account
Con ols for Acc.

The !lambi:7h Mad due yesterday, is cot ar.:
rived.

. .
THEIR MAJESTIES and the PRINCESSES last
. . .
night, honoured the, Concert of AntientMusic with
their presence: -
Yesterday a Cotincil was held at the Queen's
House,. at which most 'of the Ministers
,were pre-
sent: It is intended in future, that there shall only
be a Levee once A fortnitht, arid a Drawing-frown
in the alternate week. This arrangement will. spare
HIS MAJESTY the fatigue of frequerlt Levees.
According to the papers laid before the House of
Cornmons, the Civil List Debts amount to cirie mil-
lion one hundred and -sixty-foUr thousand_ pounds
ten 'shillings and four-Pence.

The Lotu CI4ANCELLOR hold his fiist.Le..
Vte,- at his House in Bedford-square, on Saturday
next, the zath inst. and the Lo'ees will be 'con-
tinued every Saturday evening until the Easter
recess.

Yesterday a aurt of Direetors was held at the
East India House, when the undeintentioned Corn.
manders took leave :
Capt. William Dornford, of the: Ceres; Capt. Chrirics
Scott, of the David Scott, for China.
Capt. Wiliiarti Agnew, of the Walthamstow ; 'Capt.
Henry Bullock, of the United Kingdom, for Fort St. George,
and Bengal.

The Ceres and Ddivid Scott, will be dispatched
in the course of a few days ; those for Fort St;
George and Bengal, probably in about a fortnight.
They will sail from 'the Dawns immediatelv • on
receivli.,4 their Dispatches, all the 'troops for India
having already been embarkedi'

. .
We are happy .to state the re4paire of the Hon,
East-India Company's. fate-Ship the Kent ; Letters
from Be,ngal.announce het-arrival. at Trincotnalee ;
she is said to have had on board the cargoes of two
vessels. • , , -
, . . . .

Mr. RicHAlto Mieligo; who Was, SecOnd Of-
ficer of the Hon. Compaq'slate.Ship the
~_ at
the time of her capture by Su:kcotiFF, in the 43ay of
Bengal, 3s appointed Chief-Offices.. of the Company's
extra Ship the Fame, proCeeding to India this -tea-
son.

. , •
We have the pleasure to state the safe arrival of
the following EngliSh Whalers at, the isidricl' of,
Sr. Helena, outward-bound, viz. the Dubzic,T Acc; ;
the Kingston, DENNis ; the I?elianie, GARI.iNER ;
the Cl/aiming Kitt.y, BURN; the`Eiipbrates, FRA-
SER; the African Queen, COCK; the" Perseverance,
ST: VERS; and the Resolution, IRISH. ,The above
were to sail for the Coast Of Biazil.c • '",

The Emperor ALEXANO ER continues, with un-
abated Vigor, to seduce the expences 'of his Court;
and the number of his Establishment. Bait the pian
itself has been brought about with such delicacy and
scrupulous regard to the interests of all concerned,
that every friend of Humanity must respeEt and Ap-
plaud both his motives, and his measures. Every
person who has been thus dismissed from a situation,
is permitted to' receive the profits of it during life,
,and at his deathi- the appointthent becomes extin6L
The Landgrave of HESSCJ-CA.sSE f. is at Berlin, as
well as the Prince of HOH ENZOL ERN-HECH IN-
G EN.

The King of PILUSSIA Ivill review.on the usual
days, from the 17th to the 23d of Mayj the Troops
at Potsdatn and Berlin ; after which he will pro-
ceed into Potnerania, as well as East • and West
Prussia and Silesia, for the same purpose: It' is
not his intention to visit either Magdeburgh or
Warsaw this year, but he will not return to Berlin,
till-the month of September.
Madame OTTo it .is said, is about to visit the
South of France for the benefit of her health.

On Friday evening last, the Officers of the Bri-
gade of Foot Guards, in Chatham Barracks, per-
formed Shaltspeare's Play of-King Henry the Fourth,
with the Farce of the 'Apprentice, in the Theatre at
Rochester, which they hired for the evening. The
Prologue (which was written by one of the Gentle-
men), was delivered with the nicest propriety. and
point, by the Gentleman who performed the part of
Hotspur. The different Charaaers were well stip-.
ported. The dresses were in the first StYle of ele-
gance, from Drury-lane Theatre ; .and the Duke of
Gloucester's Band attending, gave a zest to the ge-
neral satisfaaion of the evening:.
The projeaed SubseriptiOn Theatre we shOuld
suppose can only be countenanced by 'those Ladies of
Fashion who have private reasons for not Wishing
to sheW themselves i rubric.
Mr.. SH ERIDA N, it scems,, has resolved to' write
a dramatic sketch in. the Manner. of :The Critic, for
the purpose of giving iharaderistical traits of the
persons who are chiefly
.aaive in the projeaed
scheme for ereaing a' new Theatre in the fashionable
world by.Subscription.—,When the
.satirical powers
of such a writer are spurred by resentment, and;a
.sense of interest, the objeas of his intended severity
have full. reason to apprehend - that they will be
" Sacred to ridicule their. whole lives long;
" And the sad burthen of some merry song." '

As the introduetion of Spirits,upon the Stage, is
become fashionable, the projeeted.Thqtre qf' Fa-
shion is, we presume, to be devoted solely to their
appearance..—lf that is the case, our apprehensions
are leSsened for 'the effefts it might other Wise,
within-nine months, produce upon the shape of many.
of our young Ladies of, , •
Sir RICHARD FORD, since the attack. was made
upon Miss DE CAMP and her Sister,: very kindly
ordered two Constables to attend her home frotn.the
Theatre every night she performs,. The Lady,
-however, has declined the service, conceiving that
with such a pair of legal ProteBors she might• op-
pear to be in custody.
As nudity is all the rage at Paris as well as.l,on—
don, we cannot suppose that the fashion lately' in,
troduced there A LA -NELsoN, has any reference to
the dressing which the hero of the Nile.gave.on the
ist of August 1798.

• ,Arrived the Raikes, NEWTON, from Dridon for
Jamaica ; John, HARLEM* from Amsterdam, for
Charlestown, and sailed immediately for Cowes ;
1/6:i4e, PENN,. frofflMarcoli; 2141,t!entlire, CLARK,
from Plymouth; and Borth:, BURN, frorriStindcr-
land:

Sailed the F Ac..ctt, for Alitant.
the fila:.-qui of Wellesley Indianian into
Harbour, to IT,?plate her heal and cot water:

On S;:torday the 3oth ult. an InquisitiOn was
taken before H4tt DY, Gent. in the parish of
Ellington, in the County of Huntingdon, on an
infant little more than a year old, whose death ap-
peared to have beck occasioned by administering to
it a small quantity of butter of antimony---a-tieatily
poison used by farmers to, cure the foot halt in kbeep,
Sc.c. instead ot.antimonial Nvfne, which had been
recommended by a labourer's wife as a gentle emetic.
On Monday morning se'nuight, a private soldier
belonging to the Westminster Militia, while at
Bexhill barracks, complained to a comrade of a
coldness , near his ,heart, and he desired to be ac-
commodated with a glass of spirits ; he drank it, and
expired immediately afterwards.

-Sessions were opened, in the usual form,
before-the LORD MAYoR, Mr. Justice Li BLAxc,
Mr. Justice CHAMBRE, Baron HOTE.kAM, the
CORDER, &C.
Samuel Sinith and Thomas Ilr„-;,zuw: were "capitally
convicted on a charge of burglary, &c. the dwel_
ling house of George Garrick, Esq.—!--Deatii,
Ann Pritchard was tried upon 'a Capital charge
of stealing a piece of printed cotton, the property
of Simeon Btown, privately in his shop ; however,
the circumstances of the Case were such as to induce
the Jury to find a Vaidiet Guilty of.stialing only,
which obviates the capital part of the charge.
Gillian Key was eonviaed of stealing a-pair of
silver. sugar tongs, valued, -at seven shillings, the
property of John Riley.. •
Finney Serdeflehl,was found guilty upon a capital
charge, of stealing Bank of England Notes, -to the
amount of 81.
Benjamin Moody was indiaed
.for privately-steal-
ing from the person of Loughlin Ritchie; a Bank of
England Note for tool. •
Ritchie stated, that on the evening of the zrst. of
NoveMber, he had been drinking at a public-house,
in South-street, Manchester-square ; that the Pri-
sorier and some other persons were,drinking in the
sametap-room: He received from the Landlord,
•as part of the change, Out of a zi. note, a il. note
and halfla-guinea. When the Prisoner saw him,
with this money, ha shifted from the place Where'
he sat, and came near him: In about an hour after,
the Prosecutor was about to go away ; and feel:.
ing in his rocket for his half-guinea, •he could
not
,find it. He told the company he missed
his half-guinea. The Prisoner asked if, ht sus-
-I)aed him of. taking it ; the other said not,
The Prisoner then told him, he would find it for
him for half a gallon of ale 5, lie then came up, felt
his pocket, and said, " here it is ;" producing the
halt-guinea, as if he had taken it from the Prose-
, cutor's pocket. The Prosecutor then went out ;
the Prisoner followed, and pushed against him very
near the door. When they both went out of the
house, the Prisoner.turned round with his back to
the Prosecutor, came up to him again, and put his
'hand in his pocket, which, when the Prosecutor
felt; he seized, and brought the Prisoner back to
the public-house ; but finding his pocket-book
was in his pocket, lie. thought it was safe, and
let him go. When he went home, he examined'
the book, and missed the tool. note which had
been in it in the course of the evening, and at the
same time observed, that the string which fastened
it. was not so tight on as when he had tied it him-.
self. Not being able at. that time. to find .a Con-.
astable, he procured one the next, morning, and went
to the house• of the Prisoner's mother; which was.
In, the same street ; but. the Prisoner could not, be
.-found for several weeks after.—Not Guilty. .

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Lately, at Bath, Henry Hall, Esq. of County Arrnlgh,
Ireland:
On-Saturday last, at Bristol, Mrs. Wake, wife of MhHail
Wake, of Market-street, ‘Vestriliiister. ' .'
A few days ago, at his house in the Borotfgh .High-street,
SouthWark, Mr. George Puguid, aged St ,years.

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