The Sun.
London, England, 1851-07-22 00:00:00

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foilooe,:—" I etiouid eoLeL have presumed to address you,
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placed, had it not been that I have been so forcibly ap-
pealed to by the Hon. Gentleman who has just sat down.
--(Hear, hear.) 1 hope some allowance will be made for
the novelty of my position, and tor the responsibility that I
feel in the unusual course which I have judged it right to
adopt—(Hear, hear)—but I beg to assure you, Sir, and this
House, that it is far from my desire to do anything that
may appear contumacious or presumptuous.—(Hear, hear. )
Returned, as I have been, by a large constituency, and
under no disability, and believing that I have fulfilled all
the requirements of the law, I thought I should not be
doing justice to my own position as an Englishman or a
gentleman, did I not adopt that course which I believed to
be right and proper, and appear on this floor—(Hear, hear)
—not meaning any disrespect to you, Sir, or to this
House—(Hear, hear)—but in defence of my own rights
and privileges, and of the rights and privileges of
the constituents who have sent me here. (Hear.)
Having said this, I beg to state to you, Sir, that
whatever be the decision of this House, I shall abide
by it, provided there be just sufficient force used to make me
feel that lam acting under coercion. I shall not now further
intrude myself upon the House, except to say that I trust
and hope that, in the doubtful state of the law, such as it
has been described to be by the eminent lawyers who ad-
dressed you, no severe measures will be adopted towards me
and my constituents, without giving me the fairest opportu-
nity of addressing the House, and stating before the House
and before the country what 1 believe to be my rights and
the rights of my constituents.—( Hear, hear. I believe the
House never will refuse what no Court ever refuses to the
meanest subject in the realm, but will hear me before its
final decision is pronounced.—Oluch cheering.)
Mr. BRIGHT thought the Noble Lord must feel that the
Case presented itself in a less clear shape than it did at first,
and that the House should not further that night, after two
or three divisions, and under some excitement, commit itself
to any course by any further resolution. It would be as well
for the House to review the proceedings, and consider what
must,be the inevitable termination of the matter— (Hear)—
and for the Noble Lord to reconsult the law officers of the
Crown, and reconsider the question.—(Hear, hear.) The
judicious and temperate address of the Hon. Member—
(Hear, hear)—made this claim all the stronger.
Sir D. L. EVANS supported this appeal. He had ob-
served, and with no surprise, the more sober countenances
Assumed by gentlemen opposite since they had heard what
had been addressed to the House in the course of the debate.
It was to be regretted that the other branch of the Legisla-
ture had set itself against the opinions of great constituencies.
Let not this House follow hat course.—(Hear, hear.) The
termination of this contest round not be long delayed. The
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rights of the people, and the House that was disregard ng
them.-- ( Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL obsere-ed that the Hon. Member for
Greenwich had spoken so tereiverately upon this occasion
—(Hear, hear)—that he regredei.: if he was not able to
comply with any request which might seem favourable to
his being fully heard.—(Hear, hear.) 'pith regard to the
question itself, he had stated that he propoed to postpone
the consideration of it till the next day. If the s°use postpone
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was at all favourable to him, and that he ought to L.'lce his
seat, they would come to a resolution upon it, and then .the
Hon. Member would be fully entitled to come into the House'
and take his seat. But he must own that, after the Speaker
had ordered a Member to withdraw, and had appealed to the
House whether or no they would support his authority—
(Hear, hear)—he really did not see how he could possibly
consent to adjourn the debate.—(Hear, hear.) It appeared
to him that the House must decide upon this matter— (Hear,
bear)—leavicg completely untouched the question whether
they should next day come to a resolution conformable to
the case of Baron Rothschild, or whether they should think
fit to reverse that decision.
Mr. B. OSBORNE would be the last man to do anything
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The House then divided on the question of adjournment,
when there appeared--
For the adjournment ... 75
Against it ... 237
Majority .. --162
The House then divided on the main question, that Mr.
Salomons be ordered to withdraw. The numbers were—
For the motion ... 231
Against it ..„ 81
Majority •-•— —l5O
The SPEAKER then informed Mr. Salomons of the de-
cision of the House, and stated that Mr. Salomons, under
the circumstances, would see the necessity for his with
drawal.

Mr. SALOMONS not having withdrawn,
The SPEAKER directed the Sergeant-at-Arms to remove
him.
The SERGEANT advanced to Mr. Salomons and tapped
him on the shoulder, when Mr. Salomons stood up, and
having said that he yielded, was interrupted by loud cries
of " Order." He then retired beyond the bar with the
Sergeant.
Mr. ANSTEY asked whether the Hon. Member for
Greenwich could remain in the, place appropriated to peers?
The SPEAKER replied that the Hon. Member might take
his seat where Hon. Gentlemen usually took their seats be-
fore taking the oaths.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having
moved that the Speaker do leave the chair on the House
going into Committee of Ways and Means,
Mr. BRIGHT said that some misapprehension existed
with respect to the motion which the Noble Lord had inti-
mated his intention of proposing to-morrow. He had been
supposed by Hon. Members to say that he would propose
some other resolution than the resolution adopted last year
in the case of the Hon. Member for the city of London. It
was desirable to know what was the resolution to be pro-
posed by the Noble Lord.
Lord J. RUSSELL stated that the resolution would be
similar to that agreed to last year—namely, " That David
Salomons, Esq., is not entitled to sit or vote in this House
until he shall rake the oath of abjuration in the form ap-
pointed by law."—(Hear. hear.) It being understood that
Mr Salomons desired to address the House with respect to
his right to sit, he (Lord J. Russell) would move " that
Mr. Salomons be heard, in the same way as Mr. O'Connell,
at the bar of the House."
In reply to Lord D. STUART,
Lord J. RUSSELL stated that he should propose his reso-
lution at 5 o'clock.
Mr. BRIGHT remarked, that if what the Noble Lord
proposed were all he intended to do, the House would be
where they were. - (Hear, hear.)
Sir F. THESIGER intimated that he would not propose
the resolution he had stated his intention of moving, but
agree to the resolution of the Noble Lord.
Mr. OSBORNE asked whether—Mr. Salomons having
taken his seat, voted three time, and spoken—the Noble Lord
would now prosecute him?—(Laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL thought that if the Hon. Member for
Greenwich wished to be prosecuted, he would be able to find
some person who would prosecute him.— (Cheers.)
Mr. ANSTEY wished to ask the Noble Lord if the Hon.
Member for Greenwich to-morrow, on being called upon to
make his election to be heard or not, preferred to be heard
in a court of justice, whether the Noble Lord would then
consider the propriety.—[The concluding words were lost in
cries of " Oh."]
The SPEAKER having put the question that he do now
leave the chair,
Mr. ANS f r.Y said, he objected to the Speaker's leaving
the chair. He objected to any public business being entered
on, or any supplies being granted, till this great question of
Parliamentary privilege was settled.
After a few words from Lord D. STUART and Mr. DISRAELI,
with reference to the interference of the discussion to-morrow
night on the resolution of the Noble Lord with other business
on the paper,
The House went into Committee of Ways and Means, when
resolutions appropriating various sums to her Majesty's ser-
vices were agreed to.
The House then resumed.
On the third reading of the Merchant Seamen's Fund Bill,
Mr. MOFFATT moved the addition of a clause, reserving
the benefits of moneys permanently invested to the ports
where they had been raised.
Mr. LABOUCHERE opposed the clause, which,
After a few words from Mr Rice, Sir G. Pechell, Mr. Cur-
tis, and Mr. Wawn, was withdrawn.
The Commons Enclosure (No. 2) Bill, was read a second
time.
On the motion for going into Committee on the General
Board of Health Bill,
Sir J. WALHSLEY opposed the motion, on the ground
that Yarmouth had been improperly included under the Bill.
After some observations from Mr. RUM BOLD,
Lord SEYMOUR justified including Yarmouth within the
provisions of the Bill. for the sake of its health.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For going into Committee
Against ...
Majority ..
The Bill then went through Committee.
INCOME AND PROPERTY-TAX.
The report of the Committee was brought up and read.
—Ordered to lie on the table, and be printed.
INVERNESS BRIDGE (ADVANCES).
This Bill was considered in Committee, and the following
resolution proposed :—" That the Commissioners of her Ma-
jesty's Treasury be authorised to advance, by way of loan,
the sum
of 107001. out of the Consolidated Fund of the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, towards de-
fraying the expense of erecting
bridge works over approaches andand constructing the new
the river Ness at Inver-
ness. "—Resolution to be reported this day.
The Conveyance of Mails by Railways Bill went through
Committee.
The House went into Committee on the Veterinary Sur-
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Mr. NEWDEGATE said a few words in favour of the Bill.
Mr. HENLEY objected to the principle of exemptions in-
cluded in the measure.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For reporting progress 21
Against ••• ••• ... 13
Majority —ll
The House resumed, and the other orders of h t e day were
disposed of.
Mr. LABOUCHERE obtained leave and brought in a
Bill to repeal the Act for the Appointment of Commissioners
of Railways.
The House adjourned at a quarter to Two o'clock till tc-
morrow at Twelve.

•... ... ... ... 12
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The 01GonatAx MAnos paired in favour of the admission
of Mr. Salomons with Lord BROOKE, against.
Mr. GODDARD paired against the admission of Mr. Salo-
mons, with Mr. BUNBURY, in favour.
Mr. BREMRIDOE paired against Mr. BERNAL OSBORNE'S
amendment with Mr. WAKLEY, for.
Mr. MORGAN O'CONNELL paired in favour of Mr. OS-.
BORNE'S amendment with Mr. REPTOW, against.

HOUSE OF LORDS, July 21.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool-
sack at Five o'clock.

PETITIONS.

Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from some
place in Somerset,hire in favour of the Copyhold En-
franchisement Bill.

The Earl of MALMESBURY presented, on the part
of his Noble Friend the Earl of Derby, who was too ill
to attend their Lordships' House, several petitions in
favour of the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill, many of which
Prayed that it might be made more stringent.
The Duke of WELLINGTON nresented petitions
from places in Ireland against the Bill.
Ettri Fl IZ WILLIAM presented several petitions in
favour of the Bill.