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tacked; and he was in a condition to inform the louse,n
at
in the first year in which that Right Rv. Preitoe
had been appoin ed to his see. he bad mede a sacrifice
of 10 per cent. of the value of the see. He considered
it Of great importance, Should her Majesty's Govern-
tn.iiehnota,ppoiet tee Commission, that they should not act
1°)!1 the suggestion which had been thrown out, that the
were the mere " creatures" of. the State. He
denied that. The bishops wee the oldest estate in the
realm—their property was the oldest, and the House, in
dealing with it, should deal wilt it considerately, and
oft on the suggesion that they were mere "creatures
the State"--a suegestiou which was as unconsti-
tatLunel in its authority as it was unjustifiable.
. eres AGLIONBY considered that it was for the in-
ofilt all parties that where tech charges
4ci been made against the bishops, those charges
t should b 3 substantiated or refuted. It had been said
hat the bishops had a legal and equitable right to the
113,,i!operty derivable from their sees.—( Hear, hear.) Now,
his colleague (11r. Horsmen) had not denied that they
114,--(" Hear, hear," from Mr. Horaman)—but he (Mr.
s'lgliunby) was quite sure that no one would say they bad
t. Moral right to it.—(Hcar, hear.) It had been said
that his Hon. Colleague was influenced in his state-
itruts on this question by an unfriendly feeling towards
0 Bishop of Gloucester. But that was not the case.
kuil Hon. Friend was influenced in his charges, not
against the Bishop of Gloucester as an individual, but
th Public grounds; and he (Mr. Aglionby) had no doubt
kat this was only the commencement of a series of such
charges.
should be the objects of such charges; but thought that
" "sir inquiry ought to be instituted into the whole
atihi eat,
4r. MANGLES called upon the Right Hon. Baronet
the Member for Ripon (Sir J'. Graham) to answer a
question which had been put to him in such plain terms.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he was ready to answer any
ilitestion which might be put by the Hon. and Learned
bilentleman as to whether he had declared that the
'ishop of Gloucester was under any moral obligation
uot to renew his lease. He would read the resolution to
which he was a party, and which was extracted from
ntite Minutes- of the proceedings of the Ecclesiastical
"4telnission. He had, however, thought the time;to dis-
Lass this question would have been when the Hon.
'eulber for Cockermouth should move for the papers,
or after the papers were presented to the House. The
resolution was to the effect that the Bishop of Gloucester
kid Bristol being under no obligation, legally and mo-
t:1,11Y, to deal with this manor otherwise than with any
er estate within the see, the Commissioners directed
their secretary to communicate their wish that the
matter should be brought to a close as soon as possible.
46 House would permit him to say that having formed
as opinion that the Bishop had a legal and equitable
tight to fill up the lease, did offer liberal terms far be-
low, the market price.
.h kr. REYNOLDS referred to a concordat between the
;rope of Rome and the Sovereign of Spain by which the
,Dope
of the archbishops in that " most Catholic
?ountry" were limited to 1,600/. and 1.400/. a year, the
rouse of the suffragan bishops being 8001. a year, and
suggested that in the case of the Established Church
we should follow out or adopt the same scale!
After a few words from Mr. T. B. LENNARD, the
matter drooped.
SUPPLY —CONSULAR ESTABLISHMENTS.
The House went into Committee of Supply, Mr. BER-
set in the chair.
141311 the first vote being put, that a sum not exceeding
,f 8,4901. be grented to her Majesty to defray the charge
z ‘censular establishments abroad,
thigh' URQUEI.A.IIT rose to propose the reduction of
~ vote by a sum of 4 0001 The Hon. Gentleman's
roll was scarcely audible at intervals, from the imps-
ths
alio which was evinced ray the Heuse He referred to
answer given by the Noble Loud opposite (Lord Pal-
altitia.r.aton) in reply to a question put to him by the COO -
1,4 "60 which had been appointed to inquire into the sak-
e% of
th_ Lonsuls, &c. The Noble Lord was asked whether
in-
formed se who were appointed consuls were obliged to be
the in respect to the laws of the countries in which
409 were located? The Noble Lord said they were under
eot'hlisation to be coenisant of the laws of such foreign
Vutries. When asked whether they were under any
n to have a good knowledge of the laws of Eng-
Co . the Noble Lord replied they ought to have. Now
t:(ar. Urquhart) believed our consular establishments
2e Most defective. He had had some experience, and
at,Tere disorganised, more irregular, more disqualifying
In7tera for the performance of the office he could not
ke,,4111e. There was no progressive education in the
orioe as in the case of the militar and naval services.
a the contrary, the. French colonial system was well
:rgallised, and those who were appointed to these offices
possess local knowledge, and passed through a
arse of examination. The Hon. Gentleman proceeded
analyse the whole list of consuls, and the salaries
pit,elled to each, proposing reductions in a number of
4-7.76 P, making the amount in the total cost to the country
ivool. less,
triede question being :put, that the amount to be
(148,4901) be reduced by a sum of 4,0001.,
s„,r!l PALMERSTON said that the Hon. Gentleman
himself-,gs.he had different notions in regard to various
topics on which he had spoken. The Hon. Gentleman
u?sgeat that our consular establishments were ill-or-
net ail and unequal to the consular establishments of
r countries, Now he (Lord Palmerston) was, per-
.„ better qualified to speak to that point than the Hon.
eon Gentleman. He knew more of the manner in wnich our
to
say,
agents discharged their duties, and he ventured
te_lay, without hesitation, that no consular establish-
tt.`o7l were better regulated than those of Great Bri-
truicaud, however well corresponding establishments of
oar Oeo might be regulated. he was quite sure that any
Who had held his office, would say that the duties of
baensular agents were discharged in the most
ent meaner. Our consulate was the most efficient,
Vki:"eved, which existed. The duties of consuls were
4423,e-they had to perform duties in regard to com-
vtld,"i'ai Matters, and in collecting valuable information,
9.14-4 Was transmitted from time to time to his office
thitta the Board of Trade, and he would venture to say
Isc,clsill Point of efficiency and ability, our consular es-
hitiliZitaente, instead of censure, were deserving of the
approbation. With regard to the various ap-
tille-g-"enta to which the Hon. Gentleman had referred,
the "rat and foremost was that of a person who had I,ad
ep-Jatafortnne in another country to have a little diffear-
Se with the Hon. Member, and that perhaps had i
to„:4 him in his wish to reduce the gentleman's
sal ,-,"'„„Ent with regard to the appointment of the con-
ked.- ersaw, he was sure that any one who knew the
d4i,af expenditure fir living in Warsaw for an indivi-
anu,, tug the reek of a gentleman, representing a
114;417 like this, and compared his salary with that of
see /.eagles
officers of other countries, they would
ailkket the salary given (1,0001.) was rather below that
he, 4, Position required. Tee Hon. Gentleman said
tee ~,I,loli have a consul with only 1001 a year in Paris,
saVile4Y do you give a high salary to a consul in War-
ke,sl The answer was this. In Paris the consul was
ateb Y %person who had to fulfil subordinate duties to the
the rIllaulor• He (Lord Palmerston) bad given him
hip anti Of counsel in order that he might p rform cep-
tints
fettles of routine, but he did not receive his instruc-
tilui°l4 the Secretary of State. With regard to the
ties tn- in Wallachia, Servia, and Moldavia, all had du-
No Perform which were more of a political than a
cotnesereial nature, and the parts of the world in
tiltese,tileY were established included countries of great
'roe and countries in which it was most imponant to
and or'rbcme who could give information, both political
okecrsroraercial. Now it had happened that oue of their
health was absent on a particular occasion from ill-
Aas
e' uat it was not to expected that,because a man
aliuttl he should never have leave of absence.
L'llhae ttllt"leacll°to .consul-general at Constantinople, the Hon.
that he ought to have his salary reduced,
eausetun ad
the offi (Lord Palmerston had intended to abolish
mis'ce. Now he, being at the time in that state of
Dai,Jrrnation in which the Honourable Member ap-
fopnydu to be, did entertain such an idea; but when he
theuehtt,ils? importance which attached to the office he
tileybe it Was perfectly right to coiatinue it. But if
ties, Lore to have consuls-general, with
.important du-
qni
dutiesred
it'yosmercial as well as judicial, to discharge, such
to was known the consuls to
Turkeye thanwer et
hree
epd din as
the salary
to thr"PQnsibilities were entitled to. With regard
innotmor
tait„"'e. aensul at Smyrna," the Honourable Gentle;
that 6001. a year was iufficient, instead of 800/.,
tee, hat as the Special Committee on official salaries
t,,rnmended 5,0001. as the salary for an ambassador,
I,yei. would be enough for a consuL Therefore, without
Zerence to circumstances, the Hon. Gentleman pro-
lidttisoo/. He could not consent to adopt the arbitrary
e7_14.. of the. Hon. Gentleman. With regard to the
iiiisouitiFral in Egypt, the Hon. Gentleman observed;
Bat
abolished the office of consul-general in Syria.'
tato'?_n was an appointment which was made after the
im-
portant in 1841. At that period he thought it
ni, to have a person who was not merely a comma,
bri'__uat.lt a political character, of the rank of consul-
eki,7 I ; but he thought that the same reasons no longer
kdeated tor the continuance of that office, and he took
tiltu_tage of these facts and abolished the one office,
ep„,,avitig several hundreds a year to the country, by
hopPilati,,ng the party as consul-general at Constanti-
thiklita Weree
hereditary.assaht The Pacha received a fixed tri-
t the Sultan. He administered
certain
local arrangementsjo of his province, and to a
otter degree was governor in chief of the province
d°! which he was Pacha. The consul general had
04"
there to perform both political and commercial.
heirpaeelg a great thoroughfare for English travellers
Vtereug to and fro between India and this country, there
upon the consul-general there hospitali-
UN, wthauiePhOsed
gam trenched greatly upon his income. In re-
that (0 Tripoli he (Lord Palmerston)
intended
pto abolish
tibeo°•rne°. The proposal before
tuonthe Treasury for its
44
tO the was only waiting for the receipt of information
00000 length of services of the consul and other factsin
ooordeis_idering the
cted therewith. He was quite of opinion that,
condition in which that
d.,ultry consul _
for place was, an
;hues renuir was sufficient the discharge of the
tot: lyti:ahl
ttlklulertea
_ea. In regard to consuls general of South
I).asr TBked"
„„,
„,,,, 75.8 well known that their duties were diplo-
i,pahs well as commercial. The Hon. Mem-
...tit-general of mor' er salary should be given to the con-
yohy,
kusante Video than that of Buenos Ayres.
theyplace use there was a plenipotentiary at the
thi/ lighter upon tehdeties were consequently consider-
,: consul-general e consul-general. But so far from
thlneeds (Lordm Venezuela being inefficient, as he
plot gPritletaa, Palmerston) could assure him that
Ple- "title" in hadrendered most valuable and impor-
tticte upon
amdealingtt with the Government of that
b 1411 Inereh aer of great importance to the
whiee
~ ants. There was a law enacted there
heea,icittgb to
_Government of Venezuela endeavoured to
etit, by the PrOpel ty of merchants;
`nand arr
ed, a ,ement tho consul-general,
ayeru,....u! °num, upon the instructions of his own ""ut, he was enabled to pilkoe the mailer upon