The Sun.
London, England, 1834-08-21 00:00:00

SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS.

The Standard offers the following apology for the
extravagance of the language made use of at the soi-
disant. great Protestant meeting in Dublin :
" We do not mean to say that all the speeches were equally
temperate—lrishmen must be, what they have never been,
miracles of patience and long suffering, if such could be said—
but we do say that half a dozen lines in one speech (and the
liberal journals have made the most of these half a dozen lines),
were all that could be called even strong and angry language
in the whole twenty columns report of the Dublin Mail. We
ask for the examples of raving and sedition to be found in any
of the several speeches of Lord Bandon, Lord Mayo, the Lord
Mayor of Dublin, Lord Rathdowne, Lord Cole, Lord Roden,
Lord Longford, Lord Winchilsea, Captain Cottingham, Lord
Downshire_, Mr. Hamilton, Lord Downes, Mr. Martin, Mr.
Boyton, Lord Lorton, Mr. O'Sullivan, Mr. Shirley, Mr.
Magee, Lord Massarene, Sir Robert Bateson, Mr. Moore, Mr.
West, Sir James Bruce, Colonel Verner, Colonel Irwin, Lord
Courtown, Mr. Lambert, or Sir Augustine Fitzgerald?
These were all the speakers, with one exception—a gentleman
who made a very short, and we admit, in part, an angry speech,
in every word of which, however, we do most heartily concur."
We suppose, from Mr. Hamilton being included
among the moderates, that he is not one exception.
This gentleman, in the name of the Protestants of
Ireland, offered to support the Peers by the bayonet !
But the Rev. Marcus Beresford is not enumerated
among the speakers by the Standard, and yet his
speech seems to have been more rapturously cheered
than any other, and the Dublin Evening Post assigns
nearly a column to him. "We have given (says that
journal) the speech verbatim, as it was spoken, word
for word, not a rffaciamento, not a qualified dilution,
but a full, fair, and frce representation of the vulga-
rity, violence, and treason of this real blood of a Be-
resford.' " We well know that all madmen are not
confined—that men are occasionally suffered to go at
large who are less rational than some who are in safe cus-
tody in St. Luke's ; and we would not, therefore, charge
the pretended Protestant meeting with seditious raving,
because one or two crackbrained fellows were suffered to
hold forth in it. But the Reverend Marcus Beres-
ford, as The Dublin Evening Post affirms, was the fa-
vourite speaker—" chip of the old block, a bird of the
true breed, the real blood of a Beresford,' as the
extraordinary assemblage' hailed him in ecstacy,
when he was pronouncing some ferocious curse upon
the country or menacing the people with the horrors
of a Beresford civil war." But we will allow our
contemporary to make his choice between Mr. Hamil-
ton and the Rev. Marcus Beresford, and ask him if lie
really " most heartily concurs in every word spoken"
by either, of these gentlemen ? We will, for the pre-
sent, repeat a few passages from the speech of the
Rev. Marcus Beresford, in order not to show the ex-
travagance and madness of that individual, but the
madness and extravagance which was rapturously
cheered by six thousand pretended Irish Protestants,
and which is - approved by a London Conservative
journal.
We will get rid of the Bloody Popish Rebels from amongst
us.—( Loud and continued cheers.) We will stock our lards
with honest Protestants. We will banish the illicit distiller
.from amongst us who is a disgrace to us. I would, and I de-
clare it most solemnly (here the reverend speaker raised his
arm and his voice)—l would rather eat a potatoe and salt with
a good Protestant, than live like a King in the midst of Pa-
pists.—( Cheers, and a cry of The true blood of a Beresford.')
Some of our clergymen wish to put Protestants on our glebes,
but some conscientious men to whom I have spoken said, Oh,
we get our tithes from the Papists ;' but now the Papists pay
us no tithes, and shall we not get rid of them ?—( Cheers. )
The Government may make us as poor as Job ; but they cannot
make us dishonest.—( Cheers.) Let the fires of Smithfield b'
lighted again ; and although we went, like old Latimer, to our
deaths, covered with sackcloth, and overwhelmed with the
curses of the Papists, we will not succumb ; and we !Mall still
have, thank God, good men pressing into our Church—
( Cheers.) My Lords and Gentlemen, these are the senti-
ments of every worthy and honest man in the Protestant
Church of Ireland, and if they were all congregated here this
day, they would one and all exclaim, we will stand by you
until the last moment of our breath. (The reverend speaker
concluded amid loud cheers, and retired to his seat seemingly
much exhausted by the display of oratory which lie had
made).'

These sentiments were loudly cheered a meeting
of 6,000 persons ; and we do not hear that Lord
Bandon, Lord Mayo, the Lord Mayor of Dublin,
Lord Rathdowne, Lord Cole, Lord Roden, Lord
Longford, Lord Winchilsea, Capt. Cottingham, Lord
Downshire, Mr. Hamilton, Lord Downes, Mr. Martin,
Mr. Boyton, Lord Lorton, Mr. O'Sullivan, Mr.
Shirley, Mr. Magee, Lord Mascarene, Sir Robert
Bateson, Mr. Moore, Mr. West, Sir James Bruce,
Colonel Vernon, Colonel Irwin, Lord Courtown, Mr.
Lambert, and Sir Augustine Fitzgerald, the speakers
enumerated by our Contemporary, expressed their dis-
sent, or in any way marked their disapprobation of
what was so well received. The speeches of Lords
Roden and Winchilsea were sufficiently wild, but they
did not indicate the ferocity of purpose which charac-
terised the effusions of Mr. Hamilton and the Rev.
Marcus Beresford. • But the more extravagant the
language, the more welcome does it seem to have been
to the meeting. Now, all this raving may be very
absurd, but it may, notwithstanding, be very mis-
chievous in Ireland. A Journal, distinguished
among the Dublin Papers for correct information and
sound sense, and supposed to possess the confidence of
the local Government—we mean the Dublin Evening
Post—expressly attributed to the getters up of this
Protestant meeting a design to involve Ireland in con-
fusion. " If prompt measures," said that Journal,
" be not taken, we shall hear in the course of the
next week from the North of Ireland a resrnse to the
speech of the Reverend Marcus Beresford ; or, with-
out a figure, we shall hear a tale of blood. Do we
fear rebellion ? No—not at all, but outrages and
murder we fear." That most inconsistent of all jour-
nals, the Times, which at another time would have
thundered in its own way against the detestable spirit
displayed at the great Protestant Meeting, affects to be
astonished that we should have deemed it necessary to
speak in terms of reprehension of the speech of the
Rev. Marcus Beresford. That speech acquired im-
portance from the individual by whom it was uttered.
He is expressly said, by the Dublin Evening Post, to
he " the mouthpiece of the Primate," and Ireland
has already suffered too much from the Beresfords,
to allow us to consider anything, that falls from
them,- deserving of attention. They are in the
receipt—unfortunately---of a large amount of pub-
lic money,—and the House of Lords was
guided by that family in their rejection of the Tithe
Bill. The Times having so often changed opinions,
and changed sides, is, in some respects, in the situa-
tion of Colonel Charteris,' obliged, from its bad cha-
racter, to be a little more circumspect than it would 'be
from inclination. The Colonel would have given a
large sum for a new character, that he might be able
to cheat with success. If our contemporary was not
a little under the restraint imposed by a consciousness
of notorious want of principle, it would at this time
turn against Ministers, and, instead of confining itself
to nibbling against the Chronicle, and lampooning its
old patron, Lord Brougham, it would turn round at
once, and oppose, with might and main, the whole po-
licy of Ministers, both here and in Ireland. When we
consider that the Times has uniformly betrayed the
confidence of every man who trusted to it—and that
Lord Brougham had, in the treachery it displayed to-
wards the Marquis of Wellesley and many other States-
men, a proof of the insecure tenure by which the fa-
vour of that journal is held—we cannot help wondering
that he should ever have put himself in the power of
such a vile instrument. The Caledonian Mercury
forcibly observes of our contemporary--
4 The Times is not so quite so mighty as it supposes.
Whatever weathercock-evolutions it may choose to perform—
however it may oscillate and vary its phases—now refuting to-
day what it indoctrinated yesterday, we may take leave to ap-
prise our contemporary—leading journal of Europe as it is.—
that its eccentric career will not be followed or admired by the
thinking and intelligent British public, who dislike and repu-
diate such vacillation as it has displayed. The Times is ex-
tremely arrogant—it wants to be no less than Prime Minister
of Britain. If the Ministry does not approve and adopt every
crude suggestion which it pleases to throw out for their guid-
ance, then it takes the pet, and from being a staunch adhe-
rent, immediately unfurls the standard of hostility. The con-
ductors of the Times have laid it down as a first principle of
State, that no Ministry can exist under the blighting influence
of their opposition ;' nay, they would usurp the Royal prero-
gative itself, and arrogate the selection of the members of the
Administration. We shrewdly suspect, however, that the
Times miscalculates its strength, and mightily overrates its
influence. It is powerful only when it echoes the voice of the
nation ; when it thunders forth its own isolated and unfounded
dogmas, as Lord Brougham said of the ' Oxford festivities,'
we may predicate of the Times that it is infinitely harmless.'
Let such capricious and erratic exhibitions continue, and ere
long the leading journal will discovc r that it has been steering a
wrong course, and that the public will refuse to be guided by
or to patronize such a wreckless and inconsiderate pilot. * *
It has, no doubt, lately chopped about, and set itself to give

its uncertain support to the Melbourne Ministry. But the
teeth of this destroyer of things and Ministers is dulled by age"
—its ancient influence has already crumbled into ruin--aLd
the good old Times will be found, like its forefathers, to have
passed, ere now, irrevocably away."
This is, no doubt, severe ; but who will say that
the Times has not deserved the castigation ? It must
read the contemporary press to little purpose if it do
not find that its tergiversation is the subject of indig-
nant remark in every independent journal of the em-
pire. The Times is under , the necessity of affecting
to support Ministers, and therefore it will not, for the
present, assist the Duke of Wellington and the Beres-
fords. But Ministers are too well aware of the cha-
racter of this forced ally to count upon it. Like an
Indian ally, it will seize the first occasion that is safe to
do them mischief. We spoke with indignation of the
atrocious language held at the Dublin meeting, because
that which would be merely ridiculous in England, may
lead to bloodshed in Ireland. And why did the two
Dukes and the Beresfords determine on rejecting the
Tithe Bill, but because they thought the rejection
might cause outrages, which would embarrass Minis-
ters ? "Itis a mistake (to borrow the language of a
contemporary) to imagine that the Beresfords and their
gang wo.ild have incurred the tremendous responsibility
of consigning the Protestant clergy to starvation, without
some other object than that of merely spiting the Minis-
ters." It is very easy of the Times, speaking of the
menace of Marcus Beresford, to exclaim, " easier said
than done," and to talk of battles in the clouds. We
are quite aware that it is not in the power of Marcus
Beresford or any of his gang to cut the throats of even
50,000 Catholics; but we know that Lord Roden and
several other speakers at the meeting, as well as Mar-
cus, spoke of the necessity of being surrounded by
Protestants—that the Rev. Mr. Boyton even dwelt on
the most of the absentee property being held by the
tenure of letting the lands to Protestants. Now we
know that the ejectment of a single family, contrary to
the notions of justice which prevail among the people,
has been more than once the cause of deluging a
whole district with blood. The supposed injustice on
the Courtenay estates led to the most appalling scenes.
In an, account of Experimental Improvements on Crown
Lands, at King William's Town, in Ireland, ordered
by the House of Commons to be printed 26th March,
1834, and a copy of which we have just received, we
find Mr. Neale, of the Office of 'Woods and Forests,
dwelling again and again on the caution necessary in
making any changes in the occupancy in Ireland :
" The introduction of any strangers (he says) must be con-
ducted with great caution, otherwise the measure may prove
to be materially injurious. I have no doubt that, at first, it
will be found sufficiently difficult to reconcile the tenants to
the prospect of any disturbance of their present holdings ; but
if a suspicion should arise in their minds, generally, that their
permanent settlement in the property will be exposed to a
competition with strangers, the future success of the under-
taking will be placed in great jeopardy. In almost every part
of Ireland there prevails among the old native tenantry a
strong feeling on this subject, the true nature of which is not
generally understood. It is usually expressed in their
claim of a tenant right of renewal, when no such right
.exists at law; and where the claim is disregarded by a
proprietor, and the tenant ejected, the country invariably
combine to resent the infraction of their presumed coal-
man right, by the commission of outrages on the persons
and property of the new occupants. Another and totally
different state of society must arise before this erroneous
feeling will be eradicated ; but, in the meantime, its in-
convenience may be in great part obviated by prudent manage-
ment. Its origin may be traced back to that period in the
history of the natio,., when the common people of each sent
or tribe still held a tract of country in common, and distinctly
from the mensal lands retained by the chieftain and the mem-
bers of his family. When the ancient modes of tenure under
the Brehan law of the Irish were abolished by the supremacy
of the English Government, and the English laws of property
were enforced by partial confiscation and by grants from the
Crown, the new proprietors were still compelled to yield to
the force of the ancient customs, although they succeeded in
establishing a colourable adoption of English tenures by con-
tract with native individuals, respectively representing several
families of the old betaghs or vassals, and other classes of the
common people, to whom one or more town lands were de-
mised, sometimes as estates ofinheritance, but more generally
for terms of lives certain."

Mr. Neale thinks that if the general confiscation of
the 17th century had not intervened, those Irish
holders would have acquired customary estates of in-
heritance, as the commoners on manors did in Eng-
land. Be this as it may, it is quite evident that so
long as the people have one law among themselves,
and the proprietors can put another in force, it is
in the power of any individual who disregards conse-
quences to throw the whole of an extensive district
into confusion. Though, therefore, the threat of
Marcus Beresford may be absurd, it may be infinitely
mischievous ; and we would not have it too early taken
for granted that much calamity may not ensue from the
understanding come to by some of the owners of lands
and tithes at the " great Protestant meeting."—Morn-
ing Chronicle.
We have to-clay devoted a considerable portion of
our Paper to the report of the proceedings at the
dinner given by the Protestants of Dublin to the Earl
of Winchilsea. We hope and believe that we could
not have presented to our readers a more acceptable
offering. The spirit and the principles. which shed
their animating influence upon the numerous and in-
fluential assembly which this important occasion
called together, must pervade the whole Protes-
tant body, if the encroachments of Popery are
to be effectually withstood, if the violent and
sanguinary extinction of Protestantism and Pro-
testants in Ireland is to be prevented. We need
not recommend the eloquent speeches delivered at
this meeting to the attentive perusal of our readers.
It must be universally felt and acknowledged that, un-
less the efforts now making by the Protestants of Ire-
land should be seconded by corresponding efforts on
the part of the Protestants of Great Britain, the
Church will speedily be abolished in the Sister King-
dom, the population of that country consigned to the
uncultivated dominion of an abject and demoralizina
superstition, and the only bond of union between the
different members of the empire, utterly and for ever
destroyed. The present crisis is an awful one for Ire-
land and for Great Britain. Nothing but concert and
energy on the part of the British anlrish Protestants
can now prevent the relapse of Ireland into barbarism,
and the final dismemberment and ruin of the British
dominions.—Morning Post.

We yesterday took a view, which some people
thought marked by levity, of the conduct of the Irish
Orangemen; and yet the gravest reasoning must result
in the same conclusion, as to the utter absurdity of
these noisy fanatics. Surely, if the .secret views and
calculations of the majority in the House of Peers,
on delivering their vote against the Church of Ireland
a few days ago, be difficult for an honest man of plain
understanding to conjecture, how much more so are
the objects of those who call themselves the " Protest-
ant party" out of doors, in that series of exhibitions,
at which, as described to us by the Orange newspapers,
Lords Roden, Winchilsea, and their compeers have
figured so prominently during the last week ! We
have looked in vain throughout those reported
proceedings for any rational key or clue to the
course of action resolved upon by the " Protestant
party" in Ireland. Were we cruel• enough to take
in downright earnest the wild avowals of certain
persons, one of whom bears the name of Hamilton,
the other the inauspicious name of Beresford—men
who chatter about bayonets, about getting rid of the
" bloody Papist rebels," and so forth—the case is
plain enough ; they meditate civil war, that is, a civil
war to be carried on by English men, money, and re-
sources, for the exclusive benefit of these same blood-
thirsty Orangemen. When a ship seems on the point
of foundering, and no hope is left, it too often happens
that the crew break into open mutiny, stave the spirit
casks, get beastly drunk, to keep off as it were, the
hideous image of gaping shipwreck, and thus accele-
rate the ruin which appals them. Such perhaps are
the moribund orgies of this faction—disappointed,
reckless, furious, despairing, bursting with vengeance
in its last moments—not gathering up the robe and ex-
piring gracefully, not satisfied to wait the destined
hour of natural dissolution, but provoking a violent and
painful death. These barbarians in .the sacerdotal
vestment tell their countrymen that the day of battle is
at hand ; but do they flatter themselves that only Pro-
testants can hear them ? Do the echoes of hard and
insulting words r.:ach none but friendly perceptions ?
What if a savage multitude of Catholics should accept
the defiance which a Protestant savage has flung down
to them ! Is it for such unhallowed warfare that Bri-
tain must gird herself with the sword ? Take for
granted that England should enter the lists, and
choosing the Protestant for her temporary ally, should,

put, down, as she might do at her own pleasure, the
party whom she thought it most just and expedient to
humble—do these firebrands of the old ascendancy
dream that she would ever again establish her own su-
premacy on the wretched foundation of one sectarian
coterie ? England has paid dearly for such an expe-
riment, and they who think she would or could now
repeat it will find themselves fatally mistaken. Even
their panacea, therefore, of a civil war will not
serve the purpose of the Orange incendiaries, or,
in other words, will not enable them to indulge
their brutal appetite for lawless domination and re-
venge. Lord-Roden says (it is after dinner) that " the
House of Lords, seeing the entire property of the
country to be at stake, supported the claims of the Pro-
testant Clergy ;" but there is such a thing as support-
ing a " claim," to the ruin of the party who prefers it.
And how has the House of Lords " supported" the
claims of the Clergy ? Has it enabled the Clergy to
enforce their claims by collecting the money due to
them ? Will the House of Lords ever have the fa-
culty of rendering to the Clergy of Ireland that which
is the only support of the value to them of one single
farthing, and that for which alone the Clergy would
deem it worth their while to pass even a vote of thanks
to these their boasted patrons, viz.—the power of reco-
vering the income which they are told is still theirs by
law ?° We ask the question once again, for it contains
the marrow of the whole subject, which is, a solid avail-
able and acknowledged right to 801., or a nominal and
barren claim to 1001., not in effect producing 51., that
which the true friends either of an individual or of a
public body, having at heart his or its real interest,
would be most inclined to support ? Have the Con-
servative Lords yet devised any plan by which the
claim of the Clergy to 100/. can be realized ? And if
not, how can they reconcile to humanity, to conscience,
or to good faith, the vote by which they have
despoiled the Church of the 80/., which, but for
that vote, was actually in her pocket ? There is no
shirking the above dilemma. The Lords,Otherefore,
have demolished the temporalities of the Church of
Ireland—let them beware of the reaction to which the
Church of England may, by that enormous blunder,
be exposed. Let them bethink themselves what arms
their blind obduracy may have placed at the disposal
of English nonconformists, when they tell the world
that the churches of both countries are embarked in the
same bottom !—Times.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.

MARYLEBONE.

PICKING POCKETS.—Yesterday Edward Jones, a youth
about ten years of age, was charged with stealing a silk
handkerchief from the person of Mr. David Todd, surgeon,
of Sol's-row, Hampstead-road.
The prosecutor deposed that about four o'clock the pre-
vious afternoon he was walking along the New-road, towards
Fitzroy-square, when he felt a tug at his coat pocket, and
on turning round saw his handkerchief in the hands of the
prisoner, who threw it down and took to his heels. Witness
followed him, crying " Stop thief!" when he was stopped by
a policeman, who took him into custody.
Police constable E 149 said he stopped the prisoner, and
on taking him to the station he took off his cap, and, throw-
ing it to a boy who was following, exclaimed, " Take that
home to my mother, Jem, and tell her where I'm gone to."
Witness, however, picked up the cap, in which he found a
silk handkerchief, which he had no doubt had also been
stolen.—Committed for trial.
INFORMATION.—Mr. John Wright, grocer and tea-dealer,
corner of Rathbone-place and Oxford-street, appeared at
this office yesterday to answer to an information laid by
Carter, the common informer, for allowing a cask to be
placed on the pavement fronting his house, contrary to the
Act of Parliament.

Mr. Wright having proved that the cask was not on the
pavement, but on the iron-railings over his area, the infor-
mation was dismissed, much to the dissatisfaction of Carter,
who left the office in despair, all his informations of late
having shared the same fate.