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Lord PALMERSTON made an Wiservition w

regard to this specific question, which we did norelearly
collect, and repeated that though the treaty was no•
altogether to the liking of this Government, the expla
nations which had been given of parts of it had removed
in erect measure their objection ; although they fit that
it was a treaty which this Government should most
carefully watch whenever there occurred any coitus
fcederis, by which it came into operation. He thought.
however, that by judicious policy on the part of this
Government, which he considered should keep the golden
mean between suspicion and unbounded confidence, this
treaty would remain practically a dead letter. The hon.
and learned member had desired to .know what had been
the language of Russia towards England, and of England
towards Russia? He could not in detail gratify the hon.
memher's curins:ty, but could only inform him that the
lanenage on both sides was such as best suited the dignity
and good faith of a great country to give and receive.
The hon. member had been mistaken in his account of
the speech of Monsieur Bignon, and its reception by the
Duc de Broglie, and it was right that this mistake should
be corrected, in order that this sort of implied criticism
should not occasion any unpleasant feelings between the
two countries. The speech of Monsieur Bignon was in
fact, a two-fold speech : one which be delivered in his
capacity as the chairman of a committee, the other which
he spoke as an individual member of the chamber. It
was only to the former of these that the Due de B oglie
had expressed his assent in the unqualified terms men.
tioned by the hon. and learned member. He (Lord I'.)
made this statement because he wished to clear up any
misconception of the feelings entertained by the French
Goiernment ; and here he could not omit saying how
gratified he felt at the present very excellent understand.
ing between this country and France, which appeared
rapidly losing all their mutual jealousies and prejudices,
and forming an alliance political anti national, which
would materially improve both countries, and forward
their mutual interests. The hon. and learned member
would excuse him for not answering his questions as to
why the combined fleets had quitted the Dardanelles or
entered Smyrna, or why they had returned to Malta.
He could only assure him that they had both gone and
returned for gored and well-considered reasons—(A laugh)
—aod he must also finally decline to produce the papers
now moved for, and conclude by observing, that it had
never been the custom of any Government to produce any
papers which bore reference to a subject while that sub-
ject'was sill untlgr consideration as in the present case;
and he, therefore, should oppose the hon. gentleman's
motion. He hoped and trusted that peace would be
maintained. It could be maintained only by that house
having confidence either in his Alajesty's present ministers
or in those who might be their successors; and as long
as the house were pleased to think him and his colleague+
fit to regulate the foreign policy of the country, and to
maintain its interests, he was sure they would not deny
them the necessary confidence. If, however, the house
had not sufficient confid owe in them to intrust to them
the honour of the country, without calling upon them
from day to day for the very last despatches—( Hear, hear)
—let the house at once declare so, and let ministers
retire. Confidence being fit in them they might not be
cane! on to produce diplomatic correspondence rela.ing
to negotiation., that were still pending.—(Cheers.)
Colonel DAVIES thought that a question of greater
impottance could not be brought forward. The noble
lord said there were no sufficient grounds laid for the pre-
sent motion ; hut he (Colonel Davie) contended that all
who wished to preserve the balance of power in Europe
ought to view the treaty which had been referred to, and
the course of Russi t, with great jealousy. The inva.
ruble object of Russia since the days of Catherine had
been aggrandisement. The noble lord had refused to
assist the Sultan against Ibrahim Pacha, on the principle
that he would not interfere between a Sovereign and his
subjects. What, however, he would ask, had been the
course at the battle of N.varin ? We ought to have pre.
vented the conclusion of the unfortunate treaty of the Bth
July. It' we had shown a disposii ion to assist the cause
to Ibrahim Pacha, he would have been content with his
eclogues sin S. ria The who'e course of p they pursued
tiy Russia justified the conclusion that it was our ttoundeto
duty to watch, with unceasing vigilance, the designs of
that country.—(Hear. hear.)
Colonel EVANS conceived that a great change having
taken place in the natural relations of the states of Europe,
w a quite a sufficient around on which to call for some
explanation. Toe noble I ird asserted that it was nut in
the power of Government to arrest tLe onward march I

Russia. This might he the fart, but it did not at ail affect
the right of the house to the information now d-manded
The speech of the nohle lord h,d not at all altered h's
(Col. Ev ins's) view of the question; indeed he must say,
that 01 all the speeches he ever heard delivered by the no
We lord in such subjects, he never before heart one has
,ti ory. There were two important grounds on which
the noble lord had defended he British G ,vernmenr. He
stated that one reason why they had not interfered was,
because there was not sufficient rime ; and secondly, it was
declared that they wanted means—meaning thereby tnari.
time and military forces, he presumed. It app.-tired, then.
that our ereat expenditure to maintain sufficient forces,
which, when autempts were mole to reduce it, was invari.
a'.ly supported by a inference to the troubled state of
Eutopean affairs, and to the (Jailer of not having it to
resort to in the hour of need, on an occasion of real
necessity arising, was found to be not available. TI e obvious
conclu.ion was, that establishments so completely- useless
',tight to be re towed. He contended that there was
abundance of dale for our filet to have arrived and given
the necessary aid. He was gratified to hear born the
noble lord that he did not approve of the treaty, and
if it were only with refere,ce to the eliciting of 'that
declaration from the noble lord, he thought the house
ouAt to feel itself much indebted to his honourable and
kilned friend (Mr. Shed) for calling their attention to
it. This treaty bad made a mist decided alteration in
the passage of the Dardanelles, and he contended that
the noble lord's declared disapproval of it was an addi-

tional argument in favour of the motion.—(l-1,,r, hear.)
It was an additional reason why the trta,y should he laid
before the house anti the country, when it might be seen
whether it was an offensive and de.ensive treaty or not.
The construction he put ❑pon it was, that if we were at
war with Russia at any after time. Russia would bar the

passage of the Drrdanelles to us. He would at once Ainit
that he did not want confidence in the noble lord, or in
government, as regard,of these affrirs; but lie hoped this
good at least would result from the debate, that a strong
expression of their feelings on the suhj ct of the represen
tatives of the people would, so fir from embarras inn,
strengthen the hands of government, and einboden them
to speak in a tone that would not fail to have its due effect.
The virtual independence of Tut key in Europe was nearly
ac an end. With a view to its preservation, a force ought
to have been sent to the Dardanelles. It would have been
Well it government had fostered the growing power of
Ibrahim Paella as a barrier to Russir.
Sir R. PEEL said that the noble lord would have
made a speech much more satisfietory, if he had limited
himself to a simple declaration, as a responsible minirver
of the Crown, that it would he prejudicial to produce
these than it proved to be by his attempting to
support view by a course of reasoning. The noble
lord wou!d have done w.dl to have taken the advice given
by Lord Mansfield to a military governor who was ab,ut
to become chancellor of one of the colonies. His lord-
shif,, addressing the governor, s iii, " Give your decision.
but never trust yoursei with giving a reason."—( Hear,
and a laugh.) All the re rsoning of die noble lord he
(Sir R. Peel) mast say was utterly without foundation.
The no,le lord eulogised the speech of the hon. and I -arned
gentleman—he complimented it as au diluent sp ech—
he descrined it as an amusing speech—and to 'night have
added, that it was an almost unanswerable speech. He
(Sir R. Peel) did not sly that the hon. and learned gen
leman's speech was unanswerable, but he wou d declare

that it was unanswered. Toe noble lord said that the
call for three papers would be like calling on the govern.
went from day to day to produce their last despatches.
Why, he (Sir R. Peel) would ask, w is that the course on
foreign aff.irs which had been heretofore taken by the
house!--(H ar, hear.) Was there ever a public repr,
+tentative body that had exhibited so much confi fence—
bad ever shown more forbearance—that bad ever left open
so wide the door to a government leaving them so totall)

without inferntation—sa utterly in the dark as tlie presen
presentative body had been left by the present minister.
—(Cheers.) Was it not notorious that thee hail been of
li rd to collect it& ormatioin from wlt•a+ was divulged in tl
C iamber P-ers a. .alee e.'.,' *ran n;red throne
•he Gazettes of E gland ere ) The noble for
a'ated that they ought not to 'reel'••• information as t
heir foreign policy till tt e a ff-iee e ere .etotel. If me
,eenteling to the present aspect of thine., there W,s lint
ehence of their having it for some tint o. The noble lot•
deo declared that these papers could not be called ft,
vithout implying blame of the government; lu' he (S
R. Peel) would assert, that these papers might be ca 1,,
r„r without implying any blame.—(Hear, hear.) The•
were asked to vote the estimates ; and was it not nail,
ral and proper that they, the representatives of a ere.
eatinn, hound to provide its expenditure, should ask fe
-nformation in a matter of such considerable importanc.
is affecting their expenditure? Was it not their defy t•
Ascertain what was the prospect of peace, or what th
chance of that evil—the worst of all evils to be deplored—
the chance of tear? But they were told that these paper
could not he produced, because the affairs were unsettled.
So were the affairs of Belgium unsettled, and yet paper*
were produced.
Lord PALMERSTON—The treaty was signed.
Sir R. PEEL—True, the treaty was signed ; but. he
would ask, did that conclude the transicion ?—(Hear
hear.) Then with regard to Portugal—was the negotie
tion there ended ? Did not the noble lord give informatin'
as to the state of affairs between this country and Raven!
and did the production of those papers imply blame? Wa'
the production of those papers because the treaty was co► -
eluded? No such thine. Tne papers were furnished because
it could not be then said that affairs were trembling in th
balance—because the giving of them would he nn prejudice
to pending negotiations. He (Sir Robert Peel) hei non
answered two of the noble lord's objections. He lea'
made a third to the effect that explan itions bad take,
place which bad considerably mitigated the provisions o
the treaty. Again, he would ask, could there be a now,
conclusive reason why they should have the papers move
for ?—(Hear, hear.) Must it not be of first-rate imp., .
ance to know what those explanations were, and to reedit,
them from an authentic source, rather than through certain
unrecognised channels? The hon. and learned member
for Tipperary (Mr. Sheil), affirmed that this treaty hail
excited considerable alarm. The noble lord, on the con-
trary, told them that the alarm was groundless—that be
bad received some information which, to his mind, •atis.
factorily explained away what else would have just!,
excite-I apprehension: but, nevertheless, the noble load
refused to acquaint them wi'h the explanations--explana.
tinns by which it apPeared all the alarm might be allayed.
.—(Cheers.) The noble lord's faun!' reason for not grant
ing the papers 'vas, that he attended more to the acts of
uarties than to their treaties, or to their language. That
he admitted, might he a very good reason for withholdine
an angry correspondence originating, perhaps, in anxiety
and alarm, and ended, possibly, in satisfactory explanation.
The quarrel having terminated, it would be well not to
rake up the dying embers; but the noble lord might, at
all events, let them know what the conclusion was.-
(Loud cheers.) The noble lord might let them know
what was the termination of what had excited alarm,
that they might be able to judge what tf,eir present
relations were, and what their future relations were
likely to be. It was the opinion of the noble lord that this
case was open, and so would continue to be—that the treaty
never would be acted on. To be sure this, an off•nsive
and defensive treaty, if we remained at peace, might ne•
ver take the effect—but if a war broke out between Rita
sia anti Eegtand, it was as certain, that, in that case,
Russia would have the power of compelling the closing of
the Dardanelles. He would admit the probability that
the Dardanelles would always remain open—that the
casus foederis would never occnr—but a war taking place.
and this treaty remaining in force, what should we gain
by having acquiesced in the treaty ?—( Hear, hear.) lo
was clear it was framed only as contemplating a case of
war.—(Cheers.) It would remain in the scabbard until
a war occurred, and then it might be drawn—and whet,
such an event occurred. the nob e lord would, no doubt
very sincerely, express his sorrow to find himself mistaken.
But if, after all, the noble lord declared that the pap•re
ceuld not he produced without injury to the public service,
giving such reasons as he (Sir R. Peel) hail remarked on
for not producing them, he' might think the minister sat
declaring a very bad and inconclusive reasoner—yet he
would pay that attention to his declarations as a minister
which be could not pay to his reasoning.—(A laugh and
cheers.) He remarked that the noble loud said lie re.
jeieed that R'ts•ia came forward to protect Turkey.
He regretted to hear the noble lord so express himself.
Fr•m the moment he, a minister of the crown, made
the declaration in the face of the country, that he re
juiced in tlie coining forward of Russia for the protection
of Turkey, it appeared to him that we abandoned all
right to complain oo Russia as h tying destroyed the inde-
peodence of Turkey. The assistance rendered by Russia
to that country he considered fatal to its inde-
pendence. Even though Russia withdresv her troop.,
the moral independence of that power would be destroyed.
The noble lord add he did not receive an application to
assist Turkey till the month of Novetnb.•r ; and this was
given as a reas in why the assistance could not be fur
niched in time. What, though a great battle was fought
in July. was his Majesty's government se ignorant of the
wire of the too parties, that it was necessary to wait for
a formal application hor assistance ?—(Cheets ) Were we
so ignorant of what was passing in the Levant, that we
could net counsel Turkey—that we mould in .h o no offer
of assistance, but were Obliged to wait till we hail a forma.
proposal to that effect ?—( Hear, hear.) Then they were
told that when t e application did arrive, our fleet was
eneage3 in inforcing a Dutch embargo, and not in inter•
fering in the internal affaus of Portugal ; nothing of the
kind—(A laugh)—but in defending British interests at
the mouth of the Tagus. The treaty was the indemnity
which Russia had taken for the assistance she had ren-
dered, and was almost the inevitable consequence of her
rendering that assistance. It tran.pired, toe, t •at during
this crisis there way not ambassador tot represent this coun-
try at Constantinople. Tuere was to he an amt•assad •r
charged to represent us there ; but lie could not effect his
passage from Naples to Constantinople, such were the
perils of the voyage, such the danger's of those oceans, in
less than six montlis.—(Curers.) Though a British man•
of war was waiting for him the whole of that time, so
tempestuous were the seas of those inhospitable shores,
that a British atnbassaolor could not venture on them.
He knew that this was the case in former times, whet.
they were boos advanced in navigati in titan we were at
the present day.
" Otium Divos rogat in patenti
Prensus fEgwo, afoul atra nubes
Condidit lunam, neque ceria fulgent
Sidera nautia."
The right hon. gentlem teen adverted to the eulogiureis
that had been passed on France, as acting in concert with
this country ; and he remarked, that he did not see why
our eyes should tie faced exclusively on an alliance with
France. Though he adinived it was of first-rate in..
portance that we should continue on friendly relation,
with that power, he did not think we ought on that
account to withdraw ourselves from all other powers.
Then the noble lord had appeared to favour a referenc'• t..
the debates in the Coutinber of Deputies, which he (Si
R. Peel) should have thought he would rather have die
countenanced. As regarded the policy of France be
would ask was it not th„ common impression in Eurnp-
that Ibrahim Pacha, with a secret understanding who
France, teas acting against Russia? Inrahtm Pacha's
army was officered by Fienchinen. He did not mean to
say there was a formally recognised alliance ; but that,
in point of fict, there was a sanctioning and encouraging ;
and, if so, he could understand why the English
vernment, acting as it did with the French govern-
ment, acted on the principle of forbearance to the ex-
tent that he bad seen. On the other hand could Franc•

complain of the interference of Russia with Tui key,
abet. The course herself had pursued towards ALiers ?
(Cheers.) If after the derlar itions of Louis Pirlip
France nitrated to take permanent possession of Algiers,
it was impossible for her to hold the high language t.
Russia that she could otherwise have usef. Iu conch,
sion, he said that the treaties threatened danger, and w
ought to have the exp atiat,ons. These the British go
vernment ought to give, and not leave them to be ad
lected from foreign newspapers arid the debatca in th.
French Cit:m,ters.—(Hear, hear.)
Air. STANLEY sail that the right hon. baronet, it.
adverting to what had f illen from his noble friend on th.
•11 hieet Of the good understanding between France an,
111,gland, had admitted the the importance of that goo
undeistamtbrig being hely. (11r. Stanley.) did cet

tiinly c incur with his nibl, Iri nd in thinking that t
continuance of that uniler-tanding between th- two mu-
fill, most etilightvned, and 'oust states i
Euripe, was a mater which the friends heedom shoul

114i1 with congr itulation.—(Hear, heir.) It tees of En.
utmost importance to ihe cause ot wise, enlightened, an.

proteipl,s in Europe, that two ~ucti states ii u:,

be engLed in dos. and friendly connection.—(Cileern.

Tile right bon. baronet said lie would not enter into ti,,

question of Algiers; but he seemed to think that Franc,
was ~isp.meti to keep permanent possession of it. fie wool,
not di,cu , the point, but Wow(' bay that the question ufa
wits, just where it was wne,p, the right tin. b don
qu tte,l otiice.--(Hear, hear.) Tire gooniouwas jai it,

same doubtful situation in which it had beet, wtee,
light ho ;. I. --!t Ale, A. to he
wore deter tainatioe Fi ai;ce with respect tai the pi.s.es-
i,u of that coMily, Le would only 8 y that if there was
v nati ,n to tt hcla the ahandenment of A 'giets by
',sere should be a subject of rejeicing, i w odd t e to
:nee itself. He must add, that its pnFiscssion by France
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t ant sat jets connected with our foreign reliatiens
'ie the h0p..., he took for granted, felt the difficulties in
'hicTl his Majesty's government was placed by the con-
ethm of affairs in the East—difficulties which were
t o' their own creation, and which were bequeathed
them as a happy legacy by their predecessors in office.--
' Rear, hear.) 1, was well knoe n to the house that the
Free questions—that bettveen Beleium and Holland. ti4lt
r hating to Portugal end the affair of Turkey—wete left
n anything but a satisfactory sate. The right hon. barn-
et, out the other side, said that the papers now sought
'ir might be produced, and might even be demanded by
e horse, without there being, in consequence of such a
demand, any censure even implied against the A'lm;ni.trra
inn ; but that was not alone the question, for there was
aim connected with it this other consideration, that no pro.
ter stage in the proceedings had been arrive] at, at which
say disclosures could with safety be made, and he confessed it
tppeared to him rather strange that the right hon. baronet
.bouhl have made no attempt to reconcile the appat• nt,
‘infla as he would contend, real inconsistency, which lay
;n the demand for papers on the one hand, and on the
.ther the full admission that even the tendency of a nego.
-iation should not be unfolded until it was brought
aech a stage, at least, as that the progress already made
mull not be rendered nugatory and profitless. He did
;lot at all forget how it had been argued that the patters
elating to the negotiations in the case of Belgium,
and in that of Portugal, were produced before either of
those questions were settled ; but he begged the house also
nit to forget that a certain point had been attained in
ach of those negotiation,,, and that in the first of them no
munmunications to Parliament were made until it became
•iecessary to transmit the ratification of a treaty. That,
us the house must well know, was a matter which of ne-
-o:airy the government were bound to lay before them.
Front the other side they had been taunted thus---" You
cave the house the papers in the ease of Portugal.' He
would answer, so we did, but that proceeding on the
part of the governnent was in order to justify the bias.
rile demonstration made on the part of this country
against Don Miguel. It was in defence and vindication
if that proceeding that the pap-rs were produced. His
nable friend (the Secretary for Foreign Affiirs) had told
-he house, most truly, that the negotiations relative to
Turkey had not arrived at any such termination, and
that simple statement contained within itself the most
set feet anstver which could by any possibility be given to
the demand for papers made by the hon. and learned mem-
ber for Tipperary. Nevertheless, in the very face and
front of that answer, the riaht lion. baronet oppo.ite con-
tended that if the production of the papers did not of
necessity involve results which would amount to a com-
plete breaking up of the whole negotiation, they ought
aa be laid upon the table of that house. That certakly
was language which lie heard with surprise, and it
implied sentiments which he fully believed would not
be responded to by any consid •ral le portion of the
members of that house. They had already been infarmed
'hat remonstrances had been made en behalf of this
country, and explanations received more or has satisfactory.
The correspondence on the subject of those explanations had
not yet been closed, and it would obviously be productive of
infinite embarrassment, and at the same time serve no good
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right hon. gentleman went back to the year 1831, and called
upon Ministers to justify the whole of their proceedings from
that period to the present—to produce the last despatch re-
ceived, and their answer to that communication ; and then be
suddenly demanded of them to state why they had waited till
Turkey called upon them?—why they had not at once sent
forth their fleets and armies, and put a stop to encroachment ?
or at least, he asked, why did not this country tender its ad-
vice, and send out an ambassador ? Triumphantly did the
right hon. baronet ask, was there any ambassador at the Court
of Turkey ? That triumph might have been spared, fir it was
founded upon an assumption altogether without foundation.
It might be perfectly true that there was not at the Ottoman
Court any diplomatic agent bearing the rank of ambassador ;
but was it thence to be inferred that this country was altogether
unrepresented at Constantinople? In his judgment quite the
contrary. Nay, he was e to state that the fact was
not so; but then the right hon. baronet inquired, why had
not England interposed its advice before the powerful vassal
of Turkey had raised his rebellious standard against the su.
preme ruler of that empire ? To that he found that he could
give a most perfect answer ; and he knew likewise, that if he
retorted as he might, the observation would be made that a
retort was no answer; and yet he could not refrain from say-
ing that during a long interval in the years 1828 and 1829, after
the battle of Varna and the treaty of Adrianople, there was
no ambassador from this country to the Sublime Porte—that
was a period in which no friendly advice was given to that
power by England—that was a period in which our firm friend,
our ancient ally, was left without counsel or assistance, and
Russia all the while permitted to col:ect and concentrate her
forces, and conclude the treaty
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to a concession of the whole question. He would entreat
the house .to take the trouble of reflecting upon the state of
our foreign affairs at the period under niscussion. At that
moment, though said to be one of profound peace, the strength
of this country was diffused over two separate naval occupa-
tions—namely, the Downs and the Tagus, and lion mem-
bers opposite appeared to be exceedingly discontented that
Great Britain could not find force for a third in the
Mediterranean Those, then, who admitted the validity 91-
that argument as against the armed interference of England,
with only a peace establishment, in the affairs of Turkey, must
aesnowledge at the same time that she acted with perfect con.
sistency, with wisdom, and with good policy, in concur, ing
with Russia to protect and preserve Turkey.—(Hear.) Those
who admitted that, and lie held it to be a position indisputable,
must acknowledge that when Russia stood in such a (elation
towards Turkey, this country had no reason to expect that she
would take advantage of that situation to make a treaty to her
own advantage—a secret treaty, not merely as had been re-
presented, to her own advantage, but if all they had heard was
to be received implicitly, to the great disadvantage of all
other Powers. Had such a treaty been made, he shout, not
hesitate to say that it would in nowise be discreditable
I England, while it would have been disgraceful to Russia. He
was perfectly ready to agree with the right hon. baronet that
such a treaty, if iaken according to the account given tot t
house, was one which could not be advantageous to England;
but the distinct and positive assurance both of Turkey and
Russia enabled him to state that that description of the
treaty could not be given. The effect of the treaty was to
enable Russia, in the event of a war, to demand of Turkey the
closing of the Dardanelles against the armed vessels of either
belligerents. Had the arrangement been to open them to Rus-
sia, and close them against all other powers, then, indeed, would
the case have been different, and, pro tanto, it would have
been an advantage to Russia, for it would have been conceding
to her a possession of the Dardanelles to all practical pur-
poses. Before that treaty Turkey might close the Dar-
danelles aga nst bota or neither of the belligerents; the effect
of the treaty was that she should, on the breaking out of war,be
bound to close them against all foreign vessels. He would never
attempt to say that was not an advantage to Russia, but it was
nothing in the remotest degree resembling what had been re.
presented. It might, and lie could not deny but that it would,
prove an advantage to Russia to obtain that sort of protection
for the ports of the Black Sea ; but that by no means amounted
to the power of open ng and shutting the Dardanelles at the
pleasure of Russia, to the advantage of some powers, and to the
man ,fest injury of others. From Russia and Turkey they had

received upon that head the fullest and most satisfactory expla-
nation, which did away, in his opinion, with all the objections
which had been urged against the treaty. It had been asked,
what did England gadl by the acquiescence ? That was a wide

and complex question, into which he did not suppose that the
house would then expect him to enter. The house perhaps
would feel that he oug not. This was their plain cast.
"-' "

the sanction of England, and with the view of securing front
Mehemet Ali the possible chance of occupying Constantinople,
edavahiei
irnaals,seisrtsaeni
fcoer
ttio,e Fsirtautaictieoia, litnd
uE.hnigclhansidle;tial
en,dl
et! to have formed a treaty with the Sultan, which
countries in closer relations towards each oth,,r
:silhitar.Ujg'od before, and thereupon remonstrances were male
tßithiaeu,
oisn,ncsidit,ahi
bes.a3:ffa,
an the part of England and explanations given on the part of
Aussiaami Turkey which removed the principal objection to
the a. rangement. The negotiations were still in progress ; e
correspondence had lint been brought to a close, and was AD,
much then to ask some forbearance on the part of Parliament—
a forbearance in all former times shown to the Ministers of the
grown in the conduct of a difficult and delicate neg.itiation?
He hoped, therefore, that the house would not depart .rom.ti
visual practice ui calling for the premature disclosure of ana r_
rangeinent riot yet cimpleted.—(l-lear, hear.)
Mr. C. FERGUS3OS considered the treaty as injtirious•to
England, and derogatory to the rest of Europe. If tile treaty
was i jurious to E.igland, there was no explaoation whicacoustl
02 given by the two parties to Lat treaty which coula renaer it
unlojecLionable.

.111 r. 'STANLEY said that the question was, wheth:m t!

cited of the treaty was, in refereae to the pats_ig, of tile
Dardanelles, that Russian ships were or were nat to k.,e csin.

sidered as foreign, and the distinct interpretation put upon it by
both parties was, that the Russian ships were upon the same
footing as those of any other state in Europe.
Mr. C. FURGUSSON resumed. If they were not to see
the treaty, how were they to judge whether it would bear that
interpretation ? Certainly the effect of the treaty would be to
protect Russia in the only point in which she was vulnerable.
Russia contemplated a vital blow against the power of England
in the East. She had before possessed herself of the keys of
Persia, and now she had secured those of Turkey. The hon.
and learned gentleman then adverted to the case of Poland as
another instance of subjugation, and called the attention of the
house to the unhappy condition of the Poles, who had been
compelled to take refuge in this country, and who, by the
tyranny of their persecutors, were denied all succour from their
friends and relatives at home.

Sir E. CODRINGTON denied that the weakened condition
of the forces of Turkey was at all owing to the results of the
battle of Navarin.

The motion was then put and negatived, but the house did
not divide.

The house having resolved itself into a committee of supply,
Sir IL PEEL moved a sum of 17,0171. to defray the expenses
of the Britisb Museum for the ensuing year.—Agreed to.

CAPTAIN ROSS.

Mr. C. FERGUSSON moved (Lord Althorp having pre-
viously signified the assent of the Crown) that a sum of 5,0001.
be granted to his Majesty, to enable him to reward the great
service's of Captain Ross, rendered to the public by means of
the discoveries which he had made during his late voyage in the
arctic seas. The hon. and learned gentleman dwelt upon the
extent and importance of those services,—their value in esta-
blishing the fact that no north-west passage could be found in
any latitude useful for practical purposes. Alter pronouncing
a warm eulogium upon the princely manner in which Mr.
Booth contributed to the expense of the undertaking, and to
the approbation with which it was noticed by Captain Franklin,
he moved the resolution above given.

Mr. HUTT supported the motion.
Sir R. INGLIS thought the proposition ought to have ori-
ginated with a minister of the Crown. The expedition of
Capt. Ross had been undertaken more with the view of reco-
vering his reputation, than with the view of benelltting the
public, by discovering the North Pole. He would oppose the
grant.

Lord ALTHORP said it was undoubtedly true that this had
not been a public expedition, yet it should be borne in mind
that it had not been undertaken with the view of private emolu
meat.—(Hear, hear.) The correct version of it was, that it had
been undertaken with a view of vindicating the reputation of
Captain Ross. Taking this circumstance into consideration,.
and viewing it in the light in which the hon baronet had placed
it, Government had certainly not thought it their duty to come
forwaid and make the proposition for this grant to the house.
But then the hon. baronet must be aware of what the feelings
were of the country generally upon this subject —(Hear.) And
in those circumstances, looking to the sentiments also of the
majority in that house, his Majesty's Ministers did feel that
they would be acting a most ungracious part if they did
not accede to the proposition of the hon. and learned member.
_(Hear, hear.) He did think, considering the feeling of the
country on this subject, the house would be justified in voting
a moderate sum of money as a remuneration for the gallantry
and successful enterprise of Captain Ross during his expedi-
tion.— (Cheers.)
Sir E. CODRINGTON gave his cordial support to the
proposition. .

Mr. O'CONNELL looked on the expedition as a private
speculation, but net as a mercantile one, and considered the
proposed grant a most stingy and inadequate one as a remun e.
ration for the great exertions of the gallant captain.
Mr. CHAPMAN thought that in a commercial point of
view the successful enterprise of Captain Ross well entitled him
to the consideration of the house. The grant, however, which
was now proposed was much too small.
Mr. G. YOUNG approved of the grant, but begged leave to
submit that it would be a most invidious distinction to leave
Lieut. Ross, the second in command, without receiving some
mark of the favourable notice of the house. The hon. mem.
ber then moved as an amendment, that the grant be in-
creased to 7,0007., with the view of giving Captain Ross the
opportunity of giving some adequate remuneration to Lieut.
Ross for his very efficient and skilful services during the expe.
dition.—(Hear.)
Sir R. PEEL felt greatly at a loss as to the precise grounds
on which they were now called on to vote the present grant.
He had the greatest possible admiration for the character and
fame of Captain Ross. If, however, they were to vote the
sum proposed.for services rendered, the house in his opinion
had not sufficient data for enabling them properly o estimate
their character and extent; and if upon general admiration for
his chivalric character, he believed there were many more who
would become entitled to share in the grant.—(Hear.) He
wished that a committee had been appointed for the purpose
of settling and reporting the nature and extent of the scientific
and other services which had been rendered by Captain Ross
before the hon. and learned gentleman had come forward with
his present proposition.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that the Admiralty had gone to the
utmost of their power in remunerating all those engaged in this
expedition, with the exception of Captain Ross himself.—
(Hear.) The gallant captain had promised his men double pay,
and he (Sir J. Graham) had considered it his duty, having re-
gard to the extraordinary circumstance of the case, to advance
on the part of the public, 4,5001., with the view of enabling him
to redeem that pledge.—(Hear, hear.) A grant by this house
to Captain Ross would, he believed, be most gratifying to that
gentleman's feelings, and would confer a high honour on him
—(Hear, hear)—which undoubtedly his extraordinary exer.
tions and services merited.—(Hear.) He did not think this was
likely to be drawn into -a precedent, because similar privations
and dangers were not likely soon to occur again.
Mr. A GLIONBY supported the proposition for the appoint-
ment of a committee of inquiry, for at present he did not feel
himself competent to decide what amount of public money
ought to be granted to Captain Ross.
Sir H. HA RDINGE said he was prepared to vote either
for the proposed grant or for the appointment of a committee,
but he must say, that as an officer, he thought Captain Ross
would be more honoured by the appointment of a committee
of inquiry, than by the house coming at two o'clock in the
morning, by acclamation, to a vote on the subject.—(Hear,
hear.) He conceived, too, that the claims of the sailors, who
had conducted themselves with so much spirit during the whole
of their perilous adventures, ought not to be lost sight of, for
„in his opinion they were entitled to reward as well as Captain
[toss.—(Hear, hear.) He put it, then, to the hon. and learned
member (Mr. Fergusson) whether it would not be better for
him to withdraw his motion for the grant of 5,0007., and pro.
pose that a committee of inquiry be appointed. I

Lord SANDON also recommended the hon. and learned
member to submit the case of Captain Ross to the consideration
of a committee of the house.

Mr. C. FERGUSSON said he would not resist what ap.
peared to be the general feeling of the house, being perfectly
convinced that the merits of Captain Ross would be so clear
to a committee of inquiry, that the sum which he (Mr. Fer-
gusson) asked would at the least be awarded that gallant offi-
cer. He was confident that that tribunal would not fail to ap-
preciate the great services rendered by Captain Ross to geo-
graphical science by the solution of the problem of a north-
west passage.—(Hear, hear.) He therefore begged leave to
withdraw his motion, intending, on the Speaker taking the
chair, to move that the claims of Captain Ross to the con-
sideration of Parliament be referred to a committee--(Hear,
hear.) _ _

The motion was accordingly withdrawn, and the house
having resumed,
Mr. C. FERGUSSON gave notice that he should propose a
motion to the effect just mentioned to-morrow (this day).

The house then resolved into a committee of ways and
means, and on the motion of Mr. S. Rics the following resolu-
tion was agreed to :—"That towards raising a supply for his
Majesty, the duties payable on pensions and offices be further
continued."

The house having resumed,
The Bribery Law Amendment Bill was, on the motion of
Mr. HARDY, read a second time, and referred to a select coin.
mitten.

The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
house adjourned at half-past two o'clock.

ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE.

NORTHERN CIRCUIT—LmscwrEa, Mutcu 15.
ADDISON AND OTHERS V. HUNT.
This was an action brought by the returning officers of
Preston, to recover from the well known Mr. H. Hunt the
sum of 88/ 18s. 6d. for his share of the expenses at the last
election for that borough. Mr. Hunt conducted his own case.
After hearing evidence the Jury consulted for a minute, and
then gave a verdict for the plaintiffs tor the amount claimed,
881. odd. NIL Hunt immediately said he would move for a
new trial.

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