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rrOURS. IN UPPER INDIA,
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HER LATE ROYAL HIGHNESS THE PRINCESS

EAST INDIA HOUSE-(THIS DAY.)

Continued from our First Edition.
withstand it.— (Hear.) Now what was called public opi-
nion might be traced to two sources, first, the clashing of
inn rests ; another was the course opinions seem to have
taken of living under the direction of a new science that
had lately sprung up, but which was at present in so
crude a state that it was impossible to place much
reliance upon it.—(Hear.) The first elements of that
science were still unsettled—( Hear)—the leading parties
to it not being agreed upon its general principles, but titers
seemed to a generil principle pervading the whole that
all those institutions which at present existed were
extremely bad.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He thought
the subject now under the consideration of the Court was
too important to be hazarded upon the plea of public opi-
,—(llear.) In his opinion, public opinion ought
never to be the guide of a well constituted government
further than its own conviction of propriety and justice
would bear it out.—(Hear, hear.) If there was any duty
more important in Government than another, it was
to know when to be guided by public opinion, and when
to resist it—(Hear, bear)—to know when public clamour
was based on justice, and when it departed from it.—
(Hear, hear.) He saw in the present President of the
Board of Control that seat of justice to which he was
sure the proprietors would not appeal in vain.—(Hear,
hear ) The name of Grant was a tower of strength in the
cause of justice, and he looked forward to the ulterior
arrangements that he might make with a certainty that
they would be settled, having the interest of the Company
in view. He was glad to see the course Hon. Proprietors
had taken in the resolution which had been first propo.ed,
and he was sure the Court would be ready to sacrfice all
personal consideration, provided the subsequent arrange-
ments were such as to enable the Company to discharge
their duties satisfactorily to others and to themselves.
On looking at the influence that Court bad over India,
he must say, and that without fear of contradiction, that
the country had benefited much by the rule of the Com-
pany. The providence of God which had been vouchsafed
in past times, imposed upon the Court the necessity of seeing
that in any future legislation upon the subject, the interest
of that people should be well taken care of. In taking
upon themselves the future Government of India, the
Directors were taking a most important and responsible
duty ; he, therefore, trusted that in their future dealing
with the Government, they would not suffer their
hands to be tied—(Hear)—or in any way shac-
kled. He supported the original resolutions, because
be considered that they left a wide-enough space open for
future negotiations ; he did not agree with them alto-
gether, but he thought them, as a whole, the best that
could be adopted by the Court. lie could assure the
Court of Directors that, if they consented to
have their powers limited in any degree whatever, they
would not be supported by that Court.—(Hear, hear )
He therefore trusted that they would take it as an instruc-
tion from that Court, that in the Government of India
they should be left free as at present. He trusted also,
that while the Directors took care of their own powers,
they would not be forgetful of the interests of the Court
of Proprietors.—( Hear, hear.) The two Courts must be
united—they must have a community of interests, and
they must present one front to his Majesty's Government.
The confidence of the people of India was much firmer
placed in that Court than in any other body, and
as it was a mere empire of opinion, anv change would
be attended with disastrous effects. 'there were two
ways by which that country would be benefited
ity education and a free translation of the Scrip
tures. With regard to education, he, for one, was
not afraid of it ; it enlightened the mind, and enlivened
the understanding. Let his Majesty's Government give
protection to all classes in India, and have a due regard
to the interests of the Company, and they would make a
firm and lasting bond of union between the two countries;
besides which they would be the better able to prevent
an irruption into India of any fureien power—(Heir,
hear, hear)--for, besides other considerations, they were
bound to look at the possibility of an invasion of I. dia by
foreign nations. He looked at the growing state ot eivi-
rtion in that country, as a means of seem ing it against
all such dangers. He had read with much pleasure the
paper written by Mr. Tucker, one of the Directors, and
he hoped his Majesty's Government would pay the
attention that was due to the enlightened views of that
Gentieman. At all events, he hoped the Court of Di-
rectors would maintain their own independence, and the
independence of the Proprietors.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
Ou the grounds he hail stated, he begged to give his sup.
port to the original resolutions.
Mr. Sonarvarr, in re erence to the Report of the Com.
oiittee of the House of Commons, with which these pro.
positions originated, contended that the odium which had
been cast upon the Right Hun. the President of the Board
of Cuntroul, should be transferred to that Committee. It
had been truly s id, that his commercial awl territorial
property were equally liable to pay their territorial debt.
Lord Melville, and the late Lord Castlereagh after him,
had stated the same thing ; so much .so, that, in 1801,
the former urged the Proprietors to raise ten mi lions
upon the whole of their property, in order to diminish
their territorial debt. That proposition was afterwards
again urged by the late Lord Castlereagh. It was
necessary that this Court should know the truth, and
thereby be en ,bled to judge of the precise situation in
vallrsh they were placed. He thought that the proposi-
tions now made by the Government, bore on the face of
them a want of equity. He certainly agreed with one
assertion, that the profits of the Company were a tax on
the people of India as truly and as equitably as if it had
been fixed by an Act of Parliansent—(Hear)—but he
asked whether they had not an equivalent for that tax ?
He knew also that this country owed India a large debt
for the many millions we had taken from it for the last '7O
years ;—and he asked whether the Company bad not fur
a long time last been endeavouring to transfer capital and
wealth to India. He believed the Right Hon. the President
of the Board of Control had the welfare of India sincerely
at heart, but he (Mr. Sullivan) did not believe the secu-
rity offered to the Company for the payment of the divi-
dends was sufficient. If a new India Bill were proposed
he hoped a clause would be introduced providing that in
the failure of funds there should be an issue of Exchequer
Bills.—( Hear, hear.) If lion. Proprietors would look
back to the discussions in the House of Commons in 1813,
on the policy of the exclusive monopoly of the China trade,
they would find Mr. Canning and Lord Grenville de-
nouncing the exclusiveness of that trade. lie would
much rather than the resolutions which had been pro-
posed, see the Court unite in unanimously expressing
their opinion, that the most vital points of the ar-
rangement would he to discover the real condition of
India. What was the actual state of that country? Was
it not true that 0 e great body of the people were wretch-
edly poor?—(Heat', hear.) Was it not true that the
officers of the Company were inefficient to administer the
affairs of lndia?—(Hear, hear.) Was it not true that
the Zemundars behaved in the mcst cruel manner to the
inhabitants of that country ; if they were not so, the
statements of Warren Hastings and Lord William Bentiek
were without foundation. The people of Bengal were in
a state of beggary, and he called upon the worthy Di-
rector opposite to state whether the permanent settle-
ment that had been established there, had not been
productive of the most direful consequences.—(Heir.)
lie looked upon the arrangement that had been proposed
to be productive of four results—lst, an economical go-
vernment ; 2d, that the great mass of the civil adminis-
tration of the country would drop into the hands of the
Company ; 3.1, that there would be more discriminating
duties ; and, 4th, a full development of the resources of that
country.--(Hear.)
TUCKER, Esq said he did not intend to make a
speech, but as he had been called upon by the Hon. Pro-
pria or, to say whether the permanent settlement was the
roost dire in its consequences of any measure that had
ever been introduced, and that it was, in fact, one of the
greatest curse-, to that he said most emphatic illy "No."
Had the Hon. Gentlentan confined his observations to
Fort St George, he would have said " Yes." He was
before the Court and the Bri.isli public, arid would he
judged by that document which was now on the table of
the Howe.
I HOME said that no man who wished for the wel
fare of India but must have listened with regret to the
doormen's read by the Hon. Proprietor. He confessed,
however, that he could riot agree with hint
in his conclusions. for the result of his speech was merely
this, that when the revenues of India fell off, so that the

dividends could not be paid, Government should issu.
Exchequer bills in order to make thrm good. Then as ti
the other question, whether• the Company had any corn
mercial assets or not, he considered was not a questior
then before the Court, indeed it would be a loss of time t.
consider it. He had always looked at the Indian questios
not as one of dividends, but with an eye to the wealth,
prosperity, and happiness, of the people of India, nor
had he ever been backward in stating his opinion when
he saw the Directors acting in such a manner as, it
his opinion would he likely to lead to the loss of the counttya
The Hon. Gentleman had also read of many abuses the
were said to exist in India—but did he think that was tie
only country where abuses existed; be would call upon
him to look at home, when probably he would find as
great even here. It was in the nature of delegated au-
thority that abuses should creep in, and they existed in
every colony that now was or had ever been. He agreed
with the Hon. Gentleman, that it was the duty of the
Company, or the;Governtnent, if they should govern India,
to remove every abuse, and relieve every burden
from the country, and that it was now tim.
when India should not be a mere stepping-stone
for the aristocracy of this country.—(Hear, hear.)
If Hon. Proprietors would but read the evidence giver•
before the Committee they would see that nothing hail
been left undone to ascertain the true condition of India.
—(Hear.) India had a claim'for a government upon the
most economical principle?, and for the employment of the
natives in Government offices.—(Hear.) There had
been great, culpable neglect hitherto, arid it was likely
to ;aiiaarinue so long as the control was left in hands
which bad been three times changed in about
the same number of years, and which persons were
wholly ignorant of that country.--(Hear, hear, hear.)
England was a considerable debtor to India ; hut, on the
other hand, that country was now in a very different state
than formerly, when it was the scene of rapine, plunder.
and robbery. He did not blame the Court of Proprietors
for all the evils which now existed in that country, but
he blamed the narrow-minded policy of England towards
it. He hoped, however, that it would have the benefit of
a better and more extensive policy.—(Hear, hear. )—(The
Honourable Gentleman proceeded at some length to
recapitulate what had transpired prior to the re-
newal of the last Charter, and with reference to the
religion of the natives of India, he said he was strongly
opposed to any coercive interference with them.) He
had also observed that those who changed their religion
seldom made good citizens.—(Hear, bear.) However,
from education there was nothing to fear, for he was
confident a Government had less to apprehend from an
educated than a❑ ignorant people.—(Hear, bear.) In
considering the changes now proposed to be made, he
thought they should contrast India as at present, and In-
dia as it was seventy years ago. He considered that
much national benefit bad accrued to England from her
connexion with tnat country, and looking at the subject
with the views he entertained of the advantage
that bad accrued to the nation, through the Com-
pany's exertions, he certainly thought they were not
treated with becoming liberality.—(Hear, hear.) He
had always thought that the character of Sovereign was
incompatible with that of merchant, and that it would be
conducive to the Comp iny's interests to separate them,
but in surrendering their claims on the territory of
Bengal, he thought that a good case for compensation
to a large amount would be made out if they could but
find a court to try it.—(Hear.) He did not ask for
excessive liberality, but he wished for justice.—(Hear.)
He thought the evidence that had been given on th,s sub-
ject deserved far more consideration than the Board of
Controul had given it—that Board had only taken six
months to consider that which others had taken years.—
(Hear.) He was clearly of opinion the time had come
when the Company must yield their exclusive trade to
China. He, fur one, would never consent that the capital
should he employed in cars ying on that trade as a Company
exposed to the competition of others.—(Hear.) Another
objection he had to the Company carrying on the China
trade was, that he did not like to see S wereigns acting as
merchants.—(Hear.) If Government could govern India
better than the Company. let them do so, he would say,
hut his experience had taught him the reverse ; and, for
the proof of that, he would only refer to the Crown colo-
nies.—(Hear.) He conceived that it would be to the
advanta.:e of England and India, that the Government of
the latter should rest with the Company.—(Hear.)
tie
thought it was the they of the Comp any to take care that
the n 'rives of India should not be put to the expense of a
shilling that could be avoid-d, but, at the sometime, he was
not prepared to say that the territory of India ought not to
hear the burtben of the debts contracted to support it
under a proper government ; he would as soon have the
security of India to pay the dividends as that of England.
Toe great objection in his mind to the plan proposed by
Ministers was, that all real management of the affairs of
India would be taken from the Company, and given to
the Board of Controls]. The order might nominally go
!rom that House, but virtually from the Board of Con•
trout, every officer of which was liable to removal on the
change of an a•tministration in this country. What se-
curity ha I the Company for the good government of India
by that Board ? None. Until that Board was a perma.
nent one, and until its officers mete fit for their situations,
it was inapoesible that the propositions of Ministers could
be carried into effect without the worst results. Then,
with respect to the controul of Parliament, he was not
touch disposed to trust to that. He never could consent
to the Board of Controul having the power to appoint
governors, and he would not give five farthings for all
East India stock if a certain Noble Lord (as it was ru-
moured in the papers) should be appointed Governor-Ge-
neral of India.—(Laughter.)
After some observations from the CHAIRMAN, Mr.
SALES, and Sir CHARLES FORBES, the Court rose at a
few minutes past six.

131 PERIA LVARLIAMENr!

THIS EVENING.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER. took his seat at five o'clock.
Mr. Preston appeared at the Bar from the East India
House, with copies of the regulations of the Governor and
Council of Fort St. George.
New writs were orderen to be issued for the western
division of Worcester, in the room of the Hon. T. E.
Foley, now Lord Foley ; and for Inverness district of
Burghs, in the room of Colonel Baillie, deceased.
Mr, L. HODGES presented a petition from Gravesend,
in favour of the Gravesend Improvement Bill.
Tne Marquis of CHANDOS gave notice that in that
Committee of Supply, on Friday next, he would move that
in any reduction of taxes, the condition of the agricultural
population be taken into consideration. The Noble
Marquis then moved that Mr. Pelham and Mr. I? Palmer
be added to the Committee on the Beer Bili.—Ordered.
Colonel LOWTHER presented a pt.'tition from a person
in Dublin, against the Dublin and Kingston Railway Bill.
—Referred to the Committee on the Bill.
Mr. O'CONNELL postponed his motion relative to the
state of the city of Kilkenny udtil next Friday.
An HoN. .MEmeElt (name unknown) asked the Right
Hon. the Vic:: President of the Beard of Trade whether
Government had the question of pilotage under their con-
sideration with a view of bringing forward some measure.
Mr. P. THOMSON said the subject had been under
the consideration of Government, and it had been referred
to the Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, to the Trinity
Board, and to Lloyds. He hoped shortly to be able to
bring forward some measure thrt he trusted would be
satisfactory.
Mr. T. ATTWOOD wished to put a question to Ibis
Majesty's Ministers, relative to our foreign policy. Fcr• a
series of years it had been the object of Russia, if possi-
ble, to obtain possession of Constantinople ; for several
weeks there had been alarming rumours that Constanti-
nople was about to be taken possession of by Russia, if,
inle,d, it is not already got into their possession. He
wished to know what steps his M iietcy's Government had
taken to protect the interests of this country.
Lord ALTHORP could not believe that such an event
as was contemplated by the Hon. Member had taken
pl ice, or that any thing had occurred which was likely to
warrant the belief that it was probable —(Hear, hear.)
As to the steps which his Majesty's Government had
thought proper to take, he trusted the House would see
that it was riot consistent with his duty at present to de-
velops it.—( Hear, bear.) He would take this opportu-
nity of suggesting that the Hon. Member opposite (1%!-`•
A mood) would, instead of bringing forward his motion
in the shape of an amendment upon the motion which he
(Lard Althorp) Was about to brint; forward, that he
would introduce it as a substantive [notion.
Mr. M. AT TWOOD then rose to bring forward his