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London, England, 1856-04-16 00:00:00

BILL

The house then went int,) co-tonittee on this bill.
The preamble and clauses 1 and 2 were agreed to.
0.1 clanste 3,
Mr. HOE'S NIAN moved to leave out the words "ex-
tend odly to E !i.fl.ind and Wales," and insert "not ex-
tend t 4 Scotland."

Alter a short discussion, the amendment was agreed

Clau,e• 4,5, and G were then agreed to.
clau-e 7,
Mr. CHILD moved an amendment to this clause, at
line 10, to leave out the words " England and Wales,"
and insert "such county, riling, or division."
Mr. LLOYD D.A.VIES cons►dered, if this amend-
ment were adopted, three-fourths of the magistrates
would lip disqualified.
Mr. COLVILLE hoped the house would resist the
aniendtnent. No practical inconvenience would arise
from the clause as it now stood.
Mr. VANSITTART thought that if land to the
amount of 1001. would qualify for a justice of the peace,
the same should extend to &lotland avid Ireland.
Mr. BAINES thought , that the amendment of the
hon. gentleman would produce great inconvenience.
After a short discussion,
Mr. CHILD said as the amendment appeared to be
con.idered an innovation of the law he would with-
draw it.
Mr, HORSMAN then moved that, in line 6, after
" Wales," to in,ert "or within Ireland, as the case way
be."

Sir E. DERING moved t insert, instead of the
word " Ireland," the words'` Uni ed Kineten."
M r.l-10 RSM AN said he had prepared an ameedment,
which he intended to move, namely, that laud in Ire-
land should not (ratify for a magistrate in England ;
and, on the other hand, land in England should not
qualify for the Iri-li magietracy.
C A DUNNE said the observations of the Chief
Seero.ary were rather peculiar. For instance, 300 d. in
the Tille..rary Bank—(iaughter)—would be a sufficient
quilificedon, but 3001. in Ttpperary itself would not be
considered eutficieet qoalifica ioo. (Laughter.)
Alter a shot discussion the amend,nent was agreed to.
An amendment was then moved that the leasehold
qualification for the magistracy should be 18 years, as
the number of years that at present stood in the bill (30
years) would not meet the case of Ireland.
Mr. STAFFORD thought it better that the bill
should be confined to England, and a bill for Ireland
should be brought in.
Sir R. FERGUSSON said he thought the hill would
disqualify a great number of very useful persons in
Ireland.
Mr. HORSiIAN said the bill would only di-qualify
those persons in Ireland as well as in Englaod who
were not entitled to act as a magistrate.
Sir J. TItOLLOPE SlAil he thought they were losing
a great deal of very valuable time in discussing this
point. , Us thought it better to abolish the qualification
for the mazistrecy altog,ther rather than retain one
that was inefficient for the purpose.
Mr. DE VERE said the bill would not disqualify
anybody. It was prospective, and not retroepective..
Mr. HENLEY said he thought the present discussion
sho Ned the incenveni mce of allowing a measure of such
importance as the present being introduced by a private
member. He thought, under all circumstances, it
' would be best to ex stele Ireland from the bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the Government was not responsible for the bill, and
referred the hen. gentleman who had charge of the bill
to his (the Chancellor of the Exchequer's) opinion that
the bill would have a retrospective eff t.
After a few worls from Mr. COLVILE,
VERNON said that the effect of the bill ap-
peared to be involved in such doubt that he should
move that the Chairman rep..rt progress.
The committee then divided, when there appeared-
Ayes
Noes
Majerty —4l
Mr. FITZROY then lett the chair and the house re-
sumed.
MINISTERS MONEY (IRELAND).
Mr. FAGAN moved the second reading of the bill.
Mr. HANIILTON moved that this bill be read a
second time that day six months. The otject of the bill
of the hoe. member for Cork wag wholly to abolish
minister,' money in Ireland, which he considered a great
grievance. Now, he contended that all that could be
called a grievance was remedied by a bill which was
introduced into the house about twe years ago by Sir J.
Young, the then Chief Secretary for Ireland, And there-
fore the present bill was perfectly unnecessary. Tile
tax was a charge up in property. and therefore ceu!d not
he considered a grievance. He hoped her Majesty's
Government would support him in the proposition he
had felt it his duty to make.
• Mr MEAGIIER could not understand the assertion
that the tax of ministers' tutiney was a tax upon pro-
per'y. A great deal of the house property in Ireland
nail been built since the tax was first imposed.
Mr. A. BLACK said he was acquainted with this tax'
experimentally.
Tee auuuitt tax in Scotland was pre-
steely similar to the tax of ministers' money in Ireland.
It was n tt fair to the Dissenters to compel them to con-
tribute to the support of the ministers of other denomi-
nations. He, as a Dissenter, paid towards the support
did not think it was fair
of his own minister, anti he
between man and nian that he shouid be called upon to
pay towards the stipends of the religious teachers of
other Mt:11. The tax be was speaking of the
Scotch annuity ta,z was with very great dif-
ficulty collected. He had known a magistrate sent
to jail for the nen-payment of the impost, and he had
also seen the Drazoons parading the streets of Elin-
bureh whilst the tables and chairs of the people, which
hat been seized f r non-payment of the tax, were being
stild. He considered the tax a most cruel and unjust
one, an,l he should therefore vote for the second reading
of the bill.
Mr. MULL h ,pod that, after the vote that had been
come to last night, the Government would, as a solace
t ► the Retuan Catholics of Ireland, vote for the second
reading of the bill.
NEW INICE ABER.
The SPEAKER here intima•ed that a new member was
to be sworn.
Mr. J. D. FineEftatia, the newly appointed Attor-
, ney-General for Ireland. Was than introduced, and took
the oaths and his seat for the borough of Ennis.
The debate was then resumed by Lord BERNARD,
who opposed the bill.
Mr HORSMAN said this was a question of reticle'
• 'difficulty and embarrassment, and it was one that ought
to be settledin some decided manner. The subject bad been
br,Mght under their notice year after year, that Govern