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rtlbunt unworthily, and he dealing most unfairly by
.his
eagues, if he did not state flare grounds upon w be
~,5 ehotild give his vote upon the psent occasion. Th.
got, Gentleman who had just sat down had said that his
a• ,
tuicatY a Ministers had changed their opinions once I
subjec, and perhaps they might change it again.
He (Sir James Graham) had come down to the Housethe
Ho
a Minister, determined to oppose the motion of
„tat. and Learned Member for Dublin : he had nottr
'Ned Lis pinion, and he should, therefore, vote y
the amendment of the Hon. Member for the University
at Oxford, of
cries of ,I Bear, hear.")
were few things which, The,rree
ought to be me 'artfully in his opinion,
4 the guarded than the independence of the Judges.
the Pesent itistance there wasinstance an additional- con-
tidetationi which to him personally was
Nile •
utamlenaoce of his own independence and elm
still more dear
thittroterr•--(Hear, Lear.) If the alleged facts wereeepedrovetdo
kid the Committee, the House must pro
roteinf the Crown to dismiss the Learned Judge. And
14u%! all those facts were proved, such. a proposition
elttoe 44 to his opinion, be most inexpedient, anda.m.ons!
,ts. Se thinking, as an honest man, and as
dear
to
;,:ti uhlke
fehiottvever humble, whose character was
he
mropelled to give the most painful vote
ie..", .er gieen in his life ; differing in it as lied did from
en Wit' had long an
tcted P . whom he so
lion: -Ming, however, that the arguments of. the
4 , and Learned Member for Finsbury were__ entirely
terettatible, thinking the proposition of the H
1614. ed Metuber for Dublin exceedingly dangeroutros,er.seatioso
trett..ta. his own private judgment that there
own
boar .08 for further proceeding, he should betray
.his,elf
if
Is and character, and should never forgive hr. a
Abiehtikuot discharge that exceedingly painful
.utyt'thef
on - re could acquit himself only by voting against IL% illation. kLoud cries of " Hedr.")
as much
Rib • .111jME .."-u, surprised to find that thed
Lue thte.ntmourahle Baronet had been so muchF influenced
dleech of the Hon. Member for Finsbury, for
ea)
had e.!lconstitutional and Tory speech he (N r. H
(llesr-",er,- heard since he bad a seat in that House.—he
tin,;:.'n° a laugh.) Entertaining the opinion whichoe,-
%too, 614,eid of the conduct of the Learned Judge inqGo-
heti,- butittglot the course adopted by his Majesty's
Go-
at there did the great honour. It appeareclto him.
le , —sre tee. 11'
otud he - great room for inquiry ,
it 4 win,P.rodUctive of the best effects, and would operate
their laifrising to all Judges not to use the influence of
Peter,. a" "tti'lla for the purpose of spreading their
tote --r Political Opinions. He repeated, that the course
hi .1 by his „, .
Billy Lena atesty's Government on this subject was
M. R. u.,.., able to them,
"'edam HUGHES could not consent to
.consign this
teti retterable Judge to the fury
.el of re Order,,, of the agitators.—
the sb,„ order. )
114ditib4ti tv••hAe 1(g
!tear saidfiery.
a few words, but they were in-
!La:. 13.GitiS HUGHES, in common with the Right
L." coliare-nwebt;wtho had done himself so much honour by
I j theuarhee -eu he had adopted, felt perfectly convinced
at Final" argolnents of the Hon. and Learned Member
4rra ritrY. The statements of the Hon. Member for
of thr:" Proved that there was no foundation for that part
Itlei, hoizerhsarge against Mr. Baron Smith which respected
d As to the political opinions expressed by the
osZe`i d lid ge, they were directed against that agitation
Wattle King's speech declared ought to be put down.
k,Ol they bring an individual to their bar for merely
of thug a declaration which was contained in the speech
IBovereign ?
t•siti, d BANDON could not conceive anything more
them'Oaf and discreditable to his Majesty's Ministers than
to urao which they had taken, after having, according
PaCt own statement, come down to the House pre-
Pearli to refuse the motion. What new facts had ap-
filleted, to induce them to change their intention ? It was
Yesr:4that the learned and venerable Judge had for thirty
hopieucen in the habit of coming into Court at late
by h':1,1%10 notice of it, however, had ever been taken
tore,,';taiesty's Government, until now they suddenly
taso-1 round upon him, and, by so doing, proved their
elitrr.'.uconsistency. Then with respect to his politicalthe
417 b. Wall not that all known before ? Was the
as
those 'h,Pared to impeach any man on such pretences. a
It% *-ni.lit had been set up against the Learned Jur ge ,
he
Iteiteireeetett by all parties, and towards whom t
ageedC:Juttice would be perpetrated ir the motion were
„told Jnt,
-mats ":"N RUSSELL, after the painful circum.
heat Ar Which bad occurred during the evening, and the.
din, "' the discussion, should feel that he did not do his
The, ;ere he
, not shortly to state the grounds of his vote..
Ita; °lite Lord had said that it was discreditable to his
toe",!'tra Ministers, having been prepared to refuse the
Itettt"' i to change their intention and to agree to it.
Moti:, his Right Ron. Friend had already observed, the
for the' Itself was entirely altered. Instead of a motion
removal of the Learned Judge,
nankin fe ' •
r. inquiry. For his it was now only a
Part, although the charges
ere certainly grave, yet they were not of such a nature
'a Would induce him (Lord J.
they prayed, to join in an addresitsutsso ehllieltelvaejnesit•fytthoeryemwoevree
: Learned Judeg. Still the charges were grave. What
Were
Woo Y ? On the first, which related to late hours, he
eir°.ll,l not detain the House, as it appeared that there were
)ei'tiltatitances which went far in its extenuation. But
staudre*Pect to the second, who in that House would
kit' uP and say that the practice of a judge delivering
mile eat opinions from the Bench was a laudable one?
e
et.luestiou Was simply, whether, by assenting h
14%141 for a Committee of Inquiry, they shouldweadffix
~Illi eh" a practice which ought not to be. encourafogr
the
goet-er ttw right (as in his opinion it was).
tette4e• t° censureas such a proceeding, or by refusing to en-.
41)14ohtib. e Proposition of the Hon. and Learned Member
Should uo, and acceding to " the previous question," they
botie.diay that such a practice should be passed over un-
lads .." Sod uncondemned, and that for the future the
• sea of
14 4 the land might indulge to any extent they chose,
ttotiolteiett 'A Political remark which, according to his
Patti? was anything but suited to the dignity and im-
thill atilty of
the judgment seat..—(Cheers.) The ques-
tlier, L'eo before them was not, as he before stated, whe-
te,„'__ueY the course submitted to the House, they should
t;710; Baron Smith, but whether, by the course submit-
IN the House, they should check that practice in Ire-
ten, Which every(soodnirLiti lea-Toteedd
14n En
1)4.0 .
when ember
gla °old severely reprehend if at-
.,Hear, hear.) An Hon: and
Go nos Scarlett) had referred to a
th_t_d the ...overntnent of the country bad called on
trobJedges to assist them insuppressing the political no-
liseill Which prevailed. He ksunpepw not what might have
aiddi ittnit_ettght of such a course at that time, but this he
foe uws that to the period of the Fiench war—a period
tal, e toahturniserY and degredation—to that period, he for
lle„'''' only look back with disgust and indignation—
tion."4.-eitud continued cheering)—for never was pursecu-
ttediao re heartless or more unjust—(Great cheering)-
4relyerll°Ped the House and the country would ever and
k dreadfule'ulro to draw their notions of Government from
he
ted, o, au era.—(Cheers)—an era, be it remem-
-4 44 p hen it wheat nly owing to the splendid energies
ttPtivit--4ktoo t some of the most innocent and
(Clrest of mankind escaped death on the scaffold.—
teti‘ats, ehtheeevring.) He hoped that if they wanted pre-
eleos...(
erwl °old look to purer sources, and to better
those , when Judges
!le.:. nyortillonedt-hoiefTl4tt later periods
it of
making political harangues. An
hot :),:altgawron.Urnbe;t3u;'
Oftd.Psde only onise 12.i.t,t21. stated, that if a Judge in England
charge in any Court, and spoken
there could not be found a man
tni:f
Practice
euiind censure him. If this would be the case
h, ug and is
14'4 ' W"Yo he asked, should they not establish the
trio
L_lttlite, the Ireland o ) He hoped, that for
?—(Cheer' in both coun-
6---stliet t, Same practice would prevail.
v noi the course and administration of justice would
..."Ce neithestalY the aalne--snot one jot better here than there
"'' t 'Put" nor mor impartial. (Continued cheers.)
tefee; ° teat word ,‘ e " he feltit his duty briefly to
that , Lord vulgar'
het,' it the( . J. R. had, for one,
man that went
4,2• re Mitt
ii,:e. of a Judge, the humblestas
always considered
the richest and
h'il!t enooliwg' cl_.n as high. a footing _
' tallt of -u•--(Long continued cheering)—that they did
oet141„ invidietuhee superior wealth of the one or make odious
Corr ; that ,_ cOmments on the hapless poverty of the
tllnvit nor l':8 ce orMs p
lgeoran des eration were neither
see guilt . ought of, but that the only question was,.t
1"' the Judge°r moooenceof the party accused—the only object
._
-.lli and to administer right and justice with an even
Preferred
the4o his duty conscientiously.—(Cbeers.) He
lletl'ulaiOntr_e_seenut.
.co.urse to one which would involve
of _.rtaldered the id give his vote cheerfully for inquiry, as
fu 4 J.4dge With Prautice of mixing the personal politics.
nuttons ~.. ° the discharge of his high and responsible
froAttilrtV:ll3°ltßoluNfite,it and pernicious.—(Cheers.) . vve , uoite
oc kz. could not be heard for some time,
Ppose fr "atoned by Members leaving the House.
comment,' fro
What followed,that the Hon. Member
11011 f bleeattl •
se No,
ee • ore to,
.tmg Government for departing in that
ten:tined ; fore of action which they had previously
Mr. LITTLE
the Hoe. °ll rose
re 11 , Gentiemaa . and, in explanation, said
.thatt
5 Y len from biro tenet have misunderstood what
s this Subject w'itehTr• Littleton) had aconver
• F.
Shaw), in ~ , I e Learned Recorder of Dublin
°hoe the reetio, willeu he had certainly said he should
sotsthou ?f wwch notice bad been given, though
11)itli ha, ,
ePresaing his opinion that the conduct of Baron
4 la en reprehesible. And this be should have

done if that motion had not since been materially altered.
Let Hon. Members look to the Order Book, and they
would there find the notice of ni ition was expressly for the
"removal" of the Bat°r. Now, it was not until the
conclusion of the speech of the Hon. and Learned Member
for Dublin that he a-c, stained the alteiarion ; for by his
omission of that word " removal," he (Mr. Littleton's)
views were altered, and he sv s most a•suredly absolved
from any previous undertaking. The present motion was
not for removal, which he would have opposed, but for in-
quiry, which he thought it his duty to support.—(Hear.)
Mr. F. SHAW said the Right Hon. Secretary for Ire-
land had not stated all which passed between them, nor
put the case quite fairly. He said the motion was then
for " removal ;" hut he must pardon him if he replied that
it was not so. The notice of the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber for Dublin was to call the attention of the House to
the charge of Baron Smith, u ith " a view," he admitted,
to " removal."—(" Oh, oh !) The Right Hon. Secretary
had certainly said that he should express his disapproba-
tion of the charge, but he also said he would not utter a
word to wound the feelings of the Learned Judge. On
this assurance he had written to the Baron.—(Great noise
and confusion.) One fact more.—(Spoke, spoke!)
Mr. LITTLETON said, as the matter was personal,
he hoped the House would allow the Learned Recorder to
proceed.
Mr. SHAW said a few more words, which, from the
cries of " Spoke, spoke !" were inaudible in the gallery.
Mr. LITTLETON said he felt every respect personally
for Baron Smith ; and, knowing his anxiety on this sub-
ject, he had told the Learned Recorder he could write to
say the motion for removal would be opposed. But that
motion was substantially different from the one before the
House, which was merely for inquiry.—(" Spoke !"
" Order !" and much confusion.)

Mr. BARING resumed—lt did appear to him most
strange that no two of the Ministers could be found to
agree in their grounds of opposition to the amendment
which bad been proposed. Now, in his opinion, no Go-
vernment could support any motion, unless they were pre-
pared to support such ulterior measures as might be
deemed requisite. The Noble Lord (John Russell) had
contended that there were grounds for inquiry, but not for
expulsion ; but they could not find one Hon. Gentleman
in the House to agree with any other on the natural ten-
dency and operation of the charges brought against the
Baron. One was for zeal in the discharge of his duties,
and the other could not even be entertained, according to
his own opinion, till the charge delivered by the Learned
Judge was laid before the House.—(Oh, oh.) Why,
they would not condemn even a tide waiter at the Custom
House without evidence of guilt being previously laid
before them ; and would they treat a Judge worse than ano-
ther man ? One gentleman, to be sure, had read a scrap
here, and another a scrap there, but otherwise, he, for one,
was wholly ignorant of the nature of the offence com-
mitted by the Noble Baron. The House was called upon
at once to condemn a Judge of the land without any evi-
dence being brought forward, or any of the usual forms
of proceeding being adhered to. If the House consented
to any such proceeding, he would only look upon it as a
base abandonment of the Judges of the land—(Laughter,
and " Oh, oh !")—and it would be like giving a notice
to the people of Ireland that the great Agitator was their
master, and that the Government did not possess the
power of resisting his efforts.—(Laughter.) He felt
satisfied, if the question had not been treated as a party
one—(Great laughter)—there would not have been found
ten men who would have agreed in the sentiments so
manfully and honourably avowed by the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet the First Lord of the Admiralty.
An How. MEMBER (name unknown) said that the
concluding paragraphs in the Royal speech had given the
greatest delight in Leland, and been responded to by
thousands—(Confusion)—but in proportion as their
hopes had been high their disappointment would be
greater, when they found the first practical proof which
the House was likely to give of their real sentiments.
Mr. Secretary STANLEY would just state, that three
or four days ago he received a letter from Baron Smith,
begging to know the course which he should feel it his
duty to pursue in regard to the motion of the Hon. and
Learned Member for Dublin, and he stated to him in reply
that he was wholly ignorant of the extent of the charges
which would be brought against him—that he felt they
must be very strong to justify his removal from the Bench,
but that before he had heard the charges be must beg to
decline giving any other answer than this, that on hearing
what could be brought against him, he would decide
strictly and justly on the simple merits of the case.—
(Hear, hear.) He had that evening heard the case, and
though he did not think it sufficiently strong to require
his removal from the Bench, he did think it was of such a
character as to justify and require investigation. He was
not influenced in his vote either by Government or by
party, but solely by the substantial justice of the case.
Mr. BARRON said the majority of the gentry of Ire-
land were favourable to an investigation of the case, and
if it were refused, they would have no confidence in the
justice of that House. In fact such' refusal would give a
fatal blow to the connexion between England and Ireland,

—(Oh! and laughter.) He hoped the House would
chcide the question on its real merits, and not be led away
from tl e path of justice because of the political bias
of the Hon. and Learned Member who had introduced

the motion.
Mr. O'CONNELL (the calls being loud and general)
rose to reply, assuring the House be would be brief in his
remarks. He would wish to bring back the attention of
Hon. Members to the true position of the case. He had
not moved for an impeachment, or, in other words, for
removal ; for be felt that such a course would be opposed,
and successfully too. He asked not for condemnation,
but simply for inquiry; and this on two grounds : first,
for neglect of duty ; and next, for abuse of duty, in
mixing up with the performance of it political partisan.
ship. He asked for inquiry, because Baron Smith, a
Judge of the land, was a partisan ; because he was not
an impartial arbiter, or, at all events, was not looked
on as such ; because the people would suspect that the
sources of justice were not clear—its administration not
even-handed. He did it that the law should be respected
—above all taint—and above all suspicion. Here was an
absolute partisan, in a situation which empowered him to
adjudicate on the lives and properties of thousands, and
on their opinions, he having previously made up his mind
and condemned them. How was it they could be so una-
nimous when coercion was talked of, and that when justice
was asked for there should be a mutiny ? Should it be said
in Ireland, that when coercion was asked for, Ministers could
at once take the House along with them ; but when
the theme was justice, they were deserted by them? He
did not mean to say they would negative his motion. He
believed they would not ; all he meant to say was, that if
they did refuse inquiry, both these deductions would be
the natural result—that when Ireland was to he coerced
Ministers were unanimous, but when a partisan Judge's
conduct was to be inquired into, the noble feelings of the
heart were found to obscure the judgment—(Laughter)—
and the House sided against the people.—(No, no.) Well,
then, all he demanded was a full, fair, and impartial
inquiry ; give him that inquiry, and he promised to sub-
stantiate his charges. Let them, however, pause in the
nomination of the Committee till to-morrow—(Hear,
hear)—give him a fair Committee for a fair and deliberate
inquiry—he asked no more. The defence set up against
him was, that he proved too much. The Learned Baron,
it appeared, had been in the habit of sitting at unseasonable
hours for many years. Was that a reason he should con-
tinue a practice inconvenient, and in many cases in-
jurious to the ends of justice? One of the constitu-
ents of the Noble Lord (Sandon) who had lately ad.
dressed the House, a merchant of Liverpool, went over to
attend a trial in Dublin—returned without attaining
the object he had in view, and was compelled again to
visit the Irish capital, to the great injury of his business,
in consequence of the late sittings of the Learned Baron,
It had been stated that it was the habit of Irish Judges,
going circuit, to go into Court late in the morning. This
he denied : it was their invariable practice to take their
seats on the Bench at nine o'clock. If such was not the
fact, why were not the parallel cases of other Learned
Judges quoted, and the House asked how it could punish
Baron Smith, when other Judges were equally guilty ?
They were, however, not so. His was the isolated
case ; he it was whose conduct bad justly been brought
under the consideration of Parliament. Mr. Sergeant
Perrin had obtained an order, and it was his intention last
session to have proceeded on i:, if it (the session) had con-
tinued long enough for the purpose be had in view. He
was now unavoidably detained in Ireland, which was the
teason he was not the mover of the resolution which be
(Mr. O'Connell) had the honour of introducing that even-
ing. The Hon. and Gallant Member for Armagh had
made statements which he was bound to believe—for he
would most willingly give credence to all which he asserted
had passed under his observation—but, in contradiction to
his high authority, he would maintain that a prisoner was
forced on his trial at an unseasonable hour.

Mr. SHAW—No.
Mr. O'CONNELL—WeII, he was put on his trial
against his will—(Much laughter)—which reminded
hint of the one hundred and fifty recruits, who,
when they were observed marching handcuffed, the in•-
gluirer was told, with much naivete, by the sergeant in
command, they were only volunteers, on their way to join
theirregiment.—(Laughter.) He (Mr. O'Connell) was
told triumphantly he had not accused the Learned Baron
0( any other want of incompetence in the discharge of his

judicial functions. True, be bad not impeached him ; but
if so, he had not eulogised him. He had never said he
was an erudite Judge. Baron Smith was never a lawyer
of eminence. He never had practice when at the bar, and
he believed that was a me criterion to judge of the merits
of the barrister. He did not taunt the Baron with this.

No; he went on stronger and more stable grounds; he made
out a case for inquiry; he demanded it upon the principle
of just dealing ; having obtained it, he would not disguise
from the House that he intended to go further.—(Hear,
from the Opposition Benches.) It was said Baron Smith
pointedly alluded to him ; he did not do so ; 'he was re-
markably forbearing towards him—(Lau4.hter)—but he
did that that could never be forgotten. He made a poli-
tical harangue, when nothing was to be said—he declared
he-sounded the tocsin when the nation was to he warned.

He did more—he sought to revive and re-animate religious
dissensions. He hallooed the Protestant against the Ca-
thole—this was the grnvamen of his (Mr. O'Connell's)
charge; it might obtain Baron Smith partisans out of Par-
liament, but within its walls he did not think any one
could stand up to justify it. Could the Learned Sergeant,
the Member for Finsbury, with what ought to be the dig-
nity and majesty of the Bench before his mind, contend
that such was not prostrating and lowering that ermine
that should ever be pure and undefiled ? Was the justi-
fication to be found in the charges from the judicial seat

when French principles were rife, and Judges were re-
quested to aid the executioner in staying their march, or in
the charge of Mr. Justice Bayley in praise of the national
debt ?—(Hear, hear.) If inquiry be not granted, what
security have you that the peasantry will seek for a justice
in a Court, which they may assert is presided over by a
partisan opposed to them in politics? In conclusion, said
Mr. O'Connell, I demand inquiry on grounds I defy my
opponents to contravene—l ask it for the purification of
the ermine—l demand it in vindication of the judicial
character, for the sake of the Judge, who ought to be an
abstract being of law and reason—l call upon you togrant
my prayer in the name of justice and the Irish people.—
( Hear, hear.)
Lord TULLAMORE rose amidst cries of " Question,"
and was for some time inaudible in the gallery; when we
could collect the purport of his words, we understood his
Lordship to say, that the bonds of personal regard united
him to the Learned Baron, and he should be guilty of a
dere:iction of duty if he did not grapple with some of the
charges made against that distinguished individual.—
(Cries of " Question, question.") The Noble Lord pro-
ceeded, amid much interruption, to state some facts rela-
tive to Baron Smith's judicial interview with the Louth
and Monaghan Grand Juries, which were highly comp&
tnentary to the Baron. The Noble Lord next went on to
animadvert upon what had fallen from the Hon. Member
for Waterford (Mr. Barron), who contended, that if a
Judge on the liberal side bad made extra judicial charges,
his conduct would not have passed unnoticed by the House.
What, said Lord Tullamore, has the charge of Mr. Justice
Fletcher to the Grand Jury of the county Wexford in
1814 been forgotten ? That was a political harangue of
a tendency not to he mistaken, yet was there a motion
made in Parliament for inquiries? No such thing. The
Government of that day thought public opinion the best
corrective, and they were not disappointed. The Right
Hon. Secretary for the Colonies had stated, if there was
agitation in the county in which the Commission was
opened, the Judge was justified in raising his warning
voice from the bench. He thanked the Right Hon. Gen-

tleman for the admission ; true, there was-no crime of a
political nature in the Dublin calendar; but, then, in a
neighbouring county, Kildare, forty thousand persons were
told by an almost a King's Counsel, upon the verge of the
Bench, of the enormity of Saxon rule, of the rule of those
who had levelled their churches and desecrated their altars.
The Noble Lord concluded by expressing his determination
to vote against the motion.
The gallery was then cleared for a division, when the
numbers were—

AyeB.

Noes.
Majority 93

On our readmission, we found Sir RONALD FER-
GUSON on his legs, moving for leave to bring in a Bill
to prevent bribery in the borough of Warwick. The
Hon. and Gallant Member went into a series of statements
proved before the Committee, which went to maintain that
bribery and treating existed before and after the election,
and on the very day of polling. The Committee felt the
case so strong that they empowered him to call for a new
Committee to inquire into the conduct of the Lord Lieu
tenant of the county. The Hon. and Gallant Member
then proceeded to make his motion, which was agreed to,
and the BM brought in.
Mr. HUME, accordin, to notice, moved for a Select
Committee to inquire into the establishment of the Trinity
House for England, the Commissioners for Northern Lights
in Scotland, and the Ballast Board for Ireland, as regards
the Light Houses of the United Kingdom, under their
respective charges, and the receipts and expenditure for
the same; also, as regards the duties collected, and the
receipts and expenditure for light houses in the manage-
nient of other public bodies and private individuals in the
United Kingdom.
An HON. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn,
spoke from the Ministerial side:of the House in favour of
Mr. Hume's motion, which, he said, anticipated one he
intended making in respect to Scotland.

Motion agreed to.
BOROUGH OF LIVERPOOL.
_ . .

Mr. BENETT moved for leave to bring in a " Bill to
deprive the freemen of Liverpool of the privilege of voting
at elections for Members of Parliament." The circumstances
relative to the case of the borough of Liverpool had been
_ _

already so often and so fully detailed, that he need not go
into them at present. He had, however, he considered,
the authority of a Committee of that House to justify him
in making the present motion. The Hon. Gentleman con-
cluded by reading one or two extracts of the evidence given
before the Committee.
Mr. WASON seconded the motion.
Lord SANDON said be should follow the example of
the Hon. Mover, and refrain, for the present, from enter-
ing into the details of, the cases. He should reserve his
observations for a future occasion, as he should be able to
make them to greater advantage when the Bill had ar-
rived to a more advanced stage.—Leave given.
Mr. CHETWYND moved for a return of the number
of houses and tenements of the annual value of 101. and
upwards, within the towns of Eccleshall and Stone, in the
county of Stafford.—Agreed to.
GENERAL POST-OFFICE.

Mr. WALLACE moved for a return showing whether

any and what charges have been made is the establish-
ment of the Post.office, as proposed in detail in the sche•

• -
dules annexed to the 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st reports
of the Commissioners of Revenue Inquiry. He hoped
that there would be no objection on the part of the Go-
vernment to order the return to be laid on the table of the
House.

Mr. WARBURTON seconded the motion.
Mr. V. SMITH objected to the return being made,
since it would be impossible to carry into effect the re-
commendations of the Commissioners contained therein.
Besides, without delay, returns respecting the present ad-
ministration of the establishment would be laid before the
House, and then they would be enabled to see, by com-
parison of the schedules of the Commissioners already al-
luded to, with the returns that were about to be made,
that the:present administration of the Post-office establish-
ment was more economical than that recommended by the
Commissioners would be. It would be found by this com-
parison, that even in the heads of the department there
was a reduction of 1,500/. per annum more than would
have taken place according to the suggestions of the Com-
missioners. In fact, the suggestions of the Commissioners
were not to be relied on, since they took so little pains
about their inquiry, that they had not even gone over the
Post-office establishment. If the Hon. Member persisted
in his motion, he should move by way of amendment, for
a return of the principal improvements that had taken
place during the last three years in the Post-office esta-
blishment, and for a comparative statement of the present
expenses of the establishment to that which they would be,
according to the alterations recommended in the schedules
aosexeci to the Commissioners' reports.
Mr. WARBURTON said, that the Hon. Member for
Greenock moved for the papers in question, in order to be
prepared for the general discussion that was soon to come
lon with respect to the Post-office establishment generally.
Lord ALTHORP—The Hon. Gentleman said, that one
of the objects in making the present motion was to have
those papers before the general question came on. The
returns moved for by the Hon. Member for Greenock
would be laid before the House before the time of the get.
neral discussion would come on. His Hon. Friend (Mr.
V. Smith) had not only moved for a return of the ex-
penses of the present establishment, but also for,tl com-
plete statement of the expenses that would be caused by
the adoption of the alterations suggested by the Commis-
sioners. There was no doubt but the recommendation of
the Commissioners were not founded upon proper inquiry,
and that they would be found utterly impracticable and
expensive—and this was for him a sufficient motive to
support the amendment of his Hon. Friend.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG—Unless the general inquiry was
postponed it was not inconsistent to require the original
return moved for to be granted.
Mr. HUME supported the motion for the return, and
regretted that the Government of this country had refused
the advances made to them by the French Government

respecting facilitating Post•off'ice communications between
the two countries. He thought the House ought never to
stop until it was known what had been done respecting
the recommendations of a Commission that had cost the
country no less than 30,0001. He contended that the
expense of the present Post-office establishment had gene-
rally increased, while the revenues.in many departments of
the establishment, through mismanagement, had decreased.
Mr. STANLEY—The Hon. Gentleman who has just
sat down has not spoken a syllable to the subject. What
he had said seemtd to be a preface to the general attack
that was about to be made on the present Pest office
establishment ; but he did not doubt but that when that
attack was made, his Hon. Friend would be able to defend
himself and the administration of the establishment. Be-
sides, Hon. Gentlemen opposite would find, upon inquiry,
that instsad of standing still, improvements had been made
in the Post-office establishment of which they had no idea.
It was strange that the Hon. Member for Middlesex should
complain of a decrease in the Post-office revenues, when
he himself had admitted that its administration ought not
to be muse a matter of revenue but a matter of accotnmo-
dation. Now if it were to be made a matter of accommo-
dation, the necessary consequence was that there must be
a decrease of revenue. For his own part, he did not ob-
kt to having the fullest information given on the subject;
his objection was to the mode in which the information
was asked for.

After a few words from Mr. H. HUGHES and Mr.
WALLACE, the amendment proposed by Mr. VERNON
SMITH was agreed to.
Mr. WALLACE then moved I,r a copy of further
evidence taken by the Commissioners of Revenue Inquiry
respecting the Post-office Dopartment ; also, any draft of
a report by said Commissioners and transmitted by them
to the Treasury, on the expiration of the Commission.

Mr. VERNON SMITH objected to the second return
moved for, since it could give neither the Hou. Gentleman
nor the House any specific information. If it existed, it
was a loose, unconnected draft, and he believed that no
fair and useful report of the kind had been sent in by the
Commissioners to the Treasury. The Hon. Mover must
allude to a rough report that had not been received officially.
Mr. WALLACE begged, however, to be allowed to
have a sight of this draft, if it was in existence.

Mr. VERNON SMITH—If the Hon. Gentleman con-
sents to psotpone his motion, the draft shall be looked for.
The motion was then postponed.
Sir RONALD FERGUSON brought up a Bill to dis-
franchise the borough of Warwick.
Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time
on Wednesday, the 26th inst. . .

Mr. G. F. YOUNG had a question to put to the Right
Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. P. Thomson), in conse-
quence of an answer of the Right Hen. Gentleman to a
question put to him last night by the Hon. Member for
Liverpool. The question related to certain Orders in
Council, to be issued with respect to ttae China shipping
trade. From the Right Hon. Gentleman's answer,
nothing distinct could be gathered more than that the sub-
ject was under the consideration of the First Lord of the
who was at present in communication with persons con-
nected with that trade. He thought the question was one
which rather came under the department of the President
of the Board of Trade.

Mr. P. THOMSON sad that, with reference to what
took place yesterday, if the Hon. Member for Liverpool
had given him private intimation of the question he was
about to ask, he would have been prepared with a more
distinct answer. It was neeessaay to have some delay to
give a positive and explicit answer on the subject. He
repeated that the matter was at present under considera-
tion, and he hoped to be able, probably in a day or two,
to give the information that was asked of him, and be
begged to assure the Hon. Member that the Noble Lord
Treasury, at the head of his Majesty's Government would
pay the same proper attention to the shipping interests that
Ise paid to the general commercial interests of the country.
In one or two days he hoped to be able to satisfy the Hon.
Member that such really was the fact.
Mr. S. RICE brought up the report of the Committee
of Supply, which was received, and its resolutions agreed to.
Mr. S. BENETT brought up a Bill to deprive the free-
men of Liverpool of the privilege of voting at elections
for Members of Parliament.

Read a first time, and ordered to he read a second time
on Wednesday, the 26th inst.
The House adjourned at one o'clock.

LIST OF THE MINORITY
AGAINST MR. O'CONNELL'S MOTION

For a Committee to

inquire into the Judicial Conduct of Baron

Agnew_, Sir A.
Arbuthnot, Hon. H.
Baillie, J. E.
Bankes, W.
Baring, A.
Baring, H. B.
Barnard, E. G.
Bentinck, Lord G.
Blackstone, W. S.
Browne, D.
Bruce, Lord E.
Chapman, A.
Christmas, W.
Cripps, J.
Curteis, H. B.
Dalmeny, Lord
Dykes, F. L.
Evans, G.
Ewing, J.
Fleetwood, H.
Forster, C.
Graham, SirJ. R. G.
Grimston, Lord
Halcombe, J.
Halford, H.

Smith.
Hanmer, Sir J.
Hardinge, Sir H.
Hardy, J.
Hay, Sir J.
Hayes, Sir E.
Henniker, Lord
Hope, H. T.
Hotham, Lord
Hughes, H.
Ingham, R.
lrton, J.
Jones, T.
Johnstone, A.
Johnstone, Sir J. V.
King, E. B.
Lopez, Sir R.
Lygon, Colonel
Moreton, A. H.
Peel, Sir R.
Pigot, R.
Plumptre, J. P.
Reid, Sir J. R.
Rice, T. S.
Rickford, W.

Ridley, Sir M. W.
Robinson, G. R.
Ryle, J.
Sandon, Lord
Scarlett, Sir James
Sharpe, General
Sinclair, G.
Spankie, Sergeant
Tullamore, Lord
Tyrrell, Sir J.
Verner, W.
Villiers, Lord
Vyvyan, Sir R.
Wall, B.
Williams, W. A.
Welby, G. E.
Willoughby, Sir H.
Wood, Colonel T.
Yorke, J.
Young. G.T.
Young, J.

TELLERS.
Shaw, F.
Inglis, Sir R. H.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.

Six,—The Romney troop ship has had about 700 sol-
diers on board for upwards of three months, embarked
for Cork. She came in here about three weeks ago from
stress of weather. By some unaccounted-for delay she
did not sail from here when other vessels went away ; as
a proof, two transports, the Orestes and another, reached
their destination (Cork) a fortnight ago, and have again
sailed for the West Indies with a regiment on board, the
76th. lam informed that the saving and emoluments of
the commander (a Master in the Navy), from being also
the purser, are fully equal to 41. per day, on the issue of
provisions to 700 souls. The Romney, after losing
twenty-four hours of fair wind, sailed yesterday evening,
and will very probably have to return again, the wind
being now all from the westward.
The Andromache frigate was kept waiting here for a
fortnight, to take Lord Napier to China ; the reason
was that there was no cable in this dock.yard fit for her,
and she accordingly had to wait for the arrival of a vessel
that had left Woolwich six weeks with a cable. Ido not
wi,,h to complain ; but this is not right.
You will oblige several of your constant readers here if
you will give this a place in The Son.
A CONSTANT READER OF THE SUN.
Plymouth, Feb. 10, 1834.

The Lord Chancellor of Ireland is on his
way from Dublin to attend his Parliamentary duties. The
Bishop of Derry (brother to the Countess Grey and to
Lord Ponsonby) has arrived in town from the Palace at
Derry, to take his seat as one of the Irish Representative
Prelates. This is the first time his Lordship has sat in
Parliament since his translation to the enormously wealthy
see of Derry.

NEW WORKS.—Just published by Richard
Bentley, 8, New Burlington-street, Publisher in Ordinary
to his Majesty :

A RESIDENCE in the WEST INDIES and AMERICA
By Lieut.• Colonel ST. CLAIR.
2 vols. Bvo., with numerous Plates.
" Full of interest and adventure."—Monthly Review.
H.

NAVAL ADVENTURES. By Lieut. W. BOWERS,
R. N.
" A repetition of the daring enterprises and wild ro-
mantic adventures which characterized the voyages of the
early navigators in the South Seas."—Times.
111.
HORACE WALPOLE'S LETTERS to SIR HORACE
MANN. Edited by Lord DOVER.
3 vols. Bvo., with fine Portrait.
" The most interesting correspondence of Walpole's
that as yet has appeared."—Gentleman's Magazine.
Iv.

THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF MADAME JUNOT.
6 vols. Bye.
,4 We recommend these volumes to attention."—Quar•

terly Review.

CAPTAIN CHAMIER'S LIFE OF A SAILOR.
New Edition, revised and corrected, 3 vols.
" A most animated, graphic, and life-like picture of
maritime adventure."—Scotsman.
VI.
LIFE of SIR DAVID BAIRD. By T. HOOK, Esq.
New Edition, revised and corrected, 2 vols., tine Portrait.
" Abounding in descriptions of the most perilous ad-
venture and enterprise."—Morning Herald.
VII.
CAPTAIN ALEXANDER'S TRANSATLANTIC
SKETCHES. 2 vols.
" A pleasanter book it would be difficult to find."—
Examiner.

As a proof of the singular mildness of the
season, both peas and beans may be seen in blossom in a
market garden at lsleworth : and at Bristol market last
week gooseberries were exhibited for sale.

LEWES MARKET.—Jan, H.

Beef 35.6 d. to 4s. 4d. I Veal 4s Bd. to 43. 4 d
lntton 4 4 5 4 3 8 4 2
A moderate supply ; trade with the primest Beef and Mutton
rather brisk, but otherwise dull.

DUNGARVAN, FEB. B.—The election for
this town commences on Wednesday next, the 12th, at
10 o'clock. Last night about 3 o'clock t.vo persons on
horseback rode through the town with stones in their
pockets, and broke the windows of four persons for having
promised to vote for Mr. Barron. A large reward has
been offered for the prosecution of the persons who com-
mitted this outrage. The Magistrates and Mr. Crossley,
who is a most active Chief Constable, are using every ex-
ertion to bring them to justice. Not a soldier in town,
and only a few police. —Cork Evening Herald.

On Tuesday afternoon, between four and five
o'clock, the neighbourhood of Bayswater and.the Uxbridge
road was thrown into a state of considerable excitement by
a perfect human skeleton being discovered buried in the
garden grounds of Mr. English, florist and nurseryman
there. It appears that some workmen were excavating
the foundation of a hothouse, when one of them hit his
pick-axe against a hard substance, which emitted a hollow
sound. On clearing away the earth, he found that be had
struck the point of his axe through the top part of a hu-
man skull, and, on searching further, the remaining parts
of the skeleton were discovered ; they were lying horizon-
tally, at the depth of about two feet and a half from the
surface, and from their position it would seem the body
had been carefully buried. From the appearance of the
bones, it is concluded they must have been interred for
upwards of twenty-five years, and, indeed, the ground, to
the knowledge of the present occupier of the premises, has
not been disturbed during that time. The screw-end of
the ramrod of a pistol was found stuck in the inside of
the top of the skull, while all the underneath portions of
the bones of the head are destroyed, as if a pistol had been
placed under the chin, and discharged in a straight line
upwards to the roof of the skull. The skeleton was im-
mediately taken charge of by the parochial authorities,
and notice was sent to the Coroner to hold an inquest.
OYSTER POACHERS.—CAPTURE OF BOATS.
—On Saturday morning last, a number of boats belong-
ing to Prestonpans and Cockenzie were observed dredging
on the Newhaven oyster bank. The fishermen belong-
ing to the latter place contrived to procure the assistance
of the Dart steamer, and with it and their own boats
gave chace to the poachers, five of whose boats, with
their crews and apparatus, they succeeded in capturing
and bringing to Newhaven. The boats were secured in
the harbour, and the dredging apparatus safely lodged with
Mr. Pattison of the Peacock Inn. As the Newhaven
fishermen have the oyster scalps from the city of Edinburgh,
it will likely become a question of legal investigation whe-
ther any others have a right to fish upon them. By the
capture of the transgressors, the Newhaven men have in
the mean time decided this question in the negative.—
Edinburgh Advertiser.

APPREHENSION OF A NOTORIOUS SHEEP-
STEALER.-At the Surrey Sessions, Newington, last week,
a man named John Miller, well known as the associate of
a most desperate gang of sheep-stealers in the county of
Surrey, was tried for sheep-stealing, but acquitted upon
that indictment, under the direction of R. Hedger, Esq.,
the Chairman, there being no direct evidence of the fact
against him, but detained in order that a fresh bill might
be preferred as a particeps criminis, the carcases of seve-
ral sheep being found in his house, divested of their skins.
A true bill was found, the prisoner was pronounced guilty,
and the Court sentenced him to 14 years' transportation.
Since his conviction, the wife, in the hope of a commu-
tation of the sentence, waited upon Mr. Charles Kimpton,
Headborough of Leatherhead, and informed him of the
whole facts connected with the charge against her husband,
and through her disclosure implicated others. Amongst
them was the ringleader of the gang, and terror of the
farmers, William Faulkner. Kimpton having satisfied
himself of the truth of the woman's statement, procured
a warrant against Faulkner, came up to London on Wed-
nesday evening, and after discovering his haunt, applied
to inspector Wilkinson, division M, Southwark Bridge-
road, and requested the assistance of an intelligent and
efficient officer to aid him in the capture of Faulkner.
Acting inspector M'Craw was selected for the purpose, and
be proceeded to the residence of Faulkner, in Raven and
Sun-yard, Bermondsey, and finding there would be some
difficulty in obtaining an entrance to the house, they got
a sailor lad to take a letter, instructing him, if sny one
answered to the knock, to say he had got a letter from
Jack Miller, who was in Horsemonger.lane gaol, and was
about to be sent out of the country forthwith, and required
an instant answer. This plan was successful ; the door
was opened, and the officers obtained an entrance, and
having secured the doors, proceeded to search the house.
All the rooms were empty except one: on entering it, it
was filled with smoke. M'Craw and Kimpton made their
way to the fire-place, and, upon putting their arms up
the chimney, they felt the legs of a man. They pulled
him down, and it turned out to he the person they were
in pursuit of. While they were endeavouring to secure
Faulkner, a dog (such as used by drovers) rushed in to
his master's assistance. Kimpton instantly recognised it
as Faulkner's, and secured that also, and conveyed both
to the station-house. When they arrived there the dog's
mouth was examined, when it appeared that the teeth of
the animal had been filed flat, so that be could worry
sheep without lacerating them, and thereby drive them
into any corner of a field his master instructed him,
where they generally slaughtered, and afterwards removed
tb ,an ; nor would anything make the dog bark, however
provoked, when in the station-house, so well had be been
trained. Kimpton, after having well secured his pri-
soner, returned on Wednesday (yesterday), to Leather-
head, and it is believed the apprehension of Faulkner
will lead to the discovery of others of the gang.