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once, to remove them from their Offices, but eer.
tainly, it they were to be accused, it ought to be on
some specific point. If he thought , the Ministers
Were wrong in not going to War, let him bring for-
ward a Motion upon the subjea, and try the sense
of the House upon it. The Right Hon. Gentleman
had said, that Ministers did not come into their
Offices by Intrigue; but if they came in to stop up
a gap, and to prevent the People of Ireland of their
rights, he was not disposed to feel much prejudice
in their favour. He then adverted to the observa-
tions which had been made upon the Power of
France he felt as much as any man upon that
subjeEl ; but he agreed with ,an Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. WILBERFORCE) that there was
no reason to suppose that the Power of France would
continue as great as now was—when the causes
which had called forth those great exertions sub.
sided, the Power of France would subside.to its na-
tural level ; it would no longer continue to be so
formidable a machine, nor would she possess so.
much applicable force as she now did.
Mr. Fox rpursued this line of argument -at consi-
derable length, and spoke in.decided terms of the
superior policy of Peace. A great deal of what was
complained of would, he thought, naturally be reme-
died by the operation of time. NO part of the con_
duff of the French Government since the Peace, he
thought, could fairly be deemed aas of aggrandize.
ment against Great Britain. Most of the aEts in
question took place previously to‘theTreaty of Peace:
in many points there was even no pretext for the
interference of Great BO.tain ; and speaking of the
subjeft of the German Indemnities, he thought the

concerns of the Eleetor of Hanover as distinEt from

those of Great Britain as those of the Landgrave
of Hesse Cassel, or any other German Prince.—
Much as he may lament the fate of Switzerland, he
thought it could-not be considered as, an aggression
against this Country, still less a ground of War. A
very important point connected with these conside-
, rations was the financial circumstances of the
Country, which a Right Hon. Gentleman, who had
so strenuously contended against the Peace, seemed
entirely to put out of his consideration. With re_
sped to Malta, he deemed it -would be politic
in the British Government to retain it, while a
doubt remained respeaing the arrangements agreed
to ; hut when these were settled, and France had
fulfilled the letter of the Bond, it would be neces-
sary, on principles of National HonoUr,. to make
the cession. All the causes of jealousy and dissa..
tisfa.'tion were not on the one side. He then re-
ferred to the irritating language which, he said,
appeared in Publications on both sides of the water :
he referred to some censurable matter which ap-
peared in a Paper printed in English at Paris : he
then alluded to what had appeared in some of the
London Prints, and which redounded to their
shame. "He quoted an 'extra& from one of them,
which was nearly to this efccel :

" Creat,Britain might to fight this man with Navies and
" Armies, or with something other than a Pen.".

He would ask, was not this direaly to instigate
the assassination of the Person at the head of the
French Government ? Would it not bear such an in-
ference ?—(A cry of " No, No.") He reprobated
in strong terms this mode of proceeding, but still he
would prefer this Paper, to any other mode of War.
He would rather have Newspaper upon News-
paper, Moniteur, Mottling Post, and
.Argun ; the one upon the other, sooner than have
recourse to the bayonet. He allowed the crisis
was momentous, but nothing as yet warrant-
ed hostilities, on our pair, and he bad hopes of the
Peace proving of long duration—the Riches, Naval.
Superiority, and Commercial Resources of Great
Britain, were its best Secui-ity---and„ upon the
whole, he was inclined to assent to the Address.

Mr. ARCIJDALE made a variety of observa_
tions upon the topics which had been urged in the
Course of the . Debate, particularly on what had
fallen from an Hon.. Baronet, relative to the Union
with Ireland ; and in the attempting to define the.
tern), Jacobin, he expressed' his hope, it could not
apply to that Hon. Person, of whose charatier, in
his idea of it, he gave an outline—and seemed to
attribute the errors of his condutt to his quickness'
of feeling, excessive sensibility, and proneness to
credulity.
Mr. WINDHAM in explanation spoke at consider-
able leng►h, but which, however, was chiefly in
answer to the various' arguments adduced by Mr.
Fox.

' Mr. WILBERFORCE said a few words in expla-
nation.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob-
served, that the speech of his Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Wits:m.lAm) was precisely in the same strain
of despondency as that which he had deliVered on
the Motion for the Address. The general tenor
of his arguments, however, were applicable either
to a state of Vrv'sr or to a state of Peace, though
certainly in a greater degree to the latter. He
was perfectly aware of the principles upon which
that Right Hon. Gentleman had stated his opposi-
tion to the Peace, and he gave him full credit for
the Manly, spirited, and consistent manner in which
he had always avowed his sentiments—lf he under-
stood his arguments of that night,
.he supposed it
to be the Right Hon. Gentleman's opinion, that
upon the whole it was desirable that this Country,
on the general ground of security, should be re-
storeyl to that situation from which it was taken by
the Treaty of Amiens—ln that view bespoke of
the evils which would be averted, that the French
would not now be in possessiota of Louisiana, or
of St. Domingo, and that the British power
would still remain superior in the, Mediter-
ranean. This, however, was not a fair way
'of putting the case : the House were to con-
sider, whether, on the whole, it would be better,
for the sake of averting those comparatively lesser
evils, to plunge the Country into the calamities of
War. The died -of the arguments, at the other
side of the House, would be, not only -to renew,
but to render War perpetual. Such would he the
effect, if War were to be prosecuted until there
should be a probability of those evils not being re-
newed, which, in the Hon. Gentleman's opinion, were
less than the evils of War. Mr. ADDINGTON then
adverted to what had fallen from a Noble Lord in the
course of the Debate :, that Noble Lord had asserted
a proposition which was not maintainable, namely,
that it was impossible hostilities could be renewed.

The House Would do him the justice to recollea,

that in the very discussion of the Treaties of Peace;
he had insisted that measure was not taken on ac-
count of any deficiency in our means to carry on the
War. He had disclaimed the plea of Necessity, and
in the present instance, he would aver, in opposition
to the Noble Lord, that if the honour or the secu-
rity of the Country demanded the alternative, it
had the means of supporting a contest of seven
'or eight .years duration, -without imposing any
binthens on the People, but such as would be borne
with cheerfulness. This allegation was not lightly
made, but was the result of deliberate and minute
investigation. With resped to the language that
was held out, with regard to the Negotiations en-
tered into by their Predecessors in Office, and Com-
parisons made between them, and the late Treaties
of Peace, he thought that the terms of the latter
gave to the French no material advantage over what
was offered to them as a first proposition, in the for-
mer Negotiations. With respea to the Noble Lord's
objections to the persons of those who composed the
present Administration, and his idea of their being
unfit for their situations, he conceived him to ob.
jea principally on the grounds of an imputed want
of energy and vigour in their condutl. But he
would ask the Noble Lord; what part of their con_
dun, either befOre or since the Peace, justified such
an imputation ? They followed.up the plans of their
Predecessors, with respea to the Northern Hostili..
ties, with vigour,and effect---their preparations for
the Defence and Security of the Country discovered
no want of promptitude or energy :—.they sent ade-
quate Reinforcements to the Army in Egypt—they
detached a Squadron to block up Cadiz, and to watch
the' Spanish Coasts—and since the Peace, nothing
ofthat nature alluded to could be charged upon them ;
but they would be deserving of censure did they dis-
arm to the extent which the Noble Lord and his
friends at one time deemed it proper. For these
reasons he was induced to think, and as there were
no specific grounds urged, that their real crime
in the Noble Lord's eyes was their enjoying the
confidence of the'Sovereign, and being instrumental
in giving_ Peace to their Country.. He then pro-
ceeded to argue with great ability and.effeft against_
the other positions advanced by the Noble Lord and
Gentlemen at his side of the House,' and entered
into some detailed calculations to shew that the si-
tuation of the Country was considerably improved
by the Peace, and that her strength and resources
were such as placed her above every apprehension
of danger in those points of view, contended for at
• the other, side of the House. Speaking of what
had appeared in Public Prints in -both Countries,
he expressed his concurrence with . what fell from
an Honotirable Gentleman on that head : those
kind of observations were, he thought, equally un-
worthy the good sense, the prudence, - and the
manners of the . Country. However, it was, not
his wish, on that account, that a finger sliould be
laid on the Freedom of the British Press.—" God
forbid !" said Mr. ADDINGTON, "the worst
" consequences which could ensue from those, were
" light and insignificant, 'compared with what
" would he the effect of such an outrage I"
In concluding, .he assured the House, that Mi-
nisters would uphold the honour of the Sovereign
and of the Country, they would make no compromise
disgraceful, .even. for the preservat ion'of Peace, but
would persevere in a firm but moderate line of con-
do& ; and in pursuing that wise and honourable
course, they would rely on the support of the !House,
and the approbation of the Country.
Mr. WINDHAM said a few words in' further explanation.
Lord TEM:LE also explained ; he was misrept;:s;:aited
when made to say, that a renewal of hostilities was impos-
sible. Ile knew the Country possessed energy and resoii:e.s,
but the present Ministers were unable to call them forth.
Sir IAMES M. PliLl ENETe approved of the Condue'e of
Ministers.
A sort of'explanatory conversation ensued between Lord
MotPErti, Lord HAWKESEURIC, and Mr. CANNING, rela-
tive to the comparative merits of the Negotiations at Lisle,
and the Treaty pt Amiens, &c.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in the course of
some explanation, said, he thought it necessary to state,
that the Establishmeets which were proposed as Cie eco-
nomy of Peace, would amount to about Twenty-nee Mil-
lions.
After a few Observations from Mr. BRAGGE, the Report
was read a second time and agreed to.
The Address was ordered to be presented by the whole
House, and those Members who are of His Majesty's Most
Honourable Privy Council, were ordered to wait upon His
Majesty, to know when his Majesty would be graciously
pleased to receive the same.
Mr. VA as TT rAkr gave notice (in the absence of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) that the Chancellor of the
Exchequer would move to-morrow, for leave to bring in a
Bill for eke better establishing and regulating the Militia in
Ireland.
Mr. VANSITTART then moved for the following .c-
-ounts, which were severally ordered. An account of the
net produce of the permanent Taxes for the years ending the
loth of October itiA, and the loth of October iSoz, dis-
tinguishing each year. An account df the amount of Boun-
ties paid on the importaion of Corn. and Rice for the same
periods. And an account of the amount of Exchequer Bills
issued wider the Act of the 41st George 111. chap. 4, now
outstanding and iraprovided fur.
Adjourned at Half past Twelve o'Clock, till To-morrow.

THE SUN.

SULAM SZUIS DICERS F ALSUM AUDEAT ?

LONDON, NOVEMBER 25, 18oz.

BY a Vessel arrived yesterday at Portsme,uth
from Demerara, we learn that Surinam, Demerara,
Berbice, and Essepag, were still in pOssession of
the English on the t3th

HIS MAJrSTY held a Levee yesterday at
James's Palace, which was nu:nerously attended, it
being the first after the opening of Parliament.—
The Company consisted 'of his Grace the ARCH-
BISHOP Of CANTERBURY, the BtsHoPs of LONDON,
NORWICH, GLOUCESTER, ROCHESTER, SALIS-
BURY, the DEAN Of EXETER, the 'French and
American Ministers, M. OTTO, the Right Hon.
the CHANCELLOR Of the EXCH NA] ER, the SECRE-
TARIES Of STATE, the Judge of the High Court of
Admiralty, and the following Noblemen :

Dukes—POrtland, Roxburgh, Peaufort, and Rutland.
Marquis—Worcester.
Earls—Westtnorland, Stair, Darnley, Cork, Darttnouth,
Mansfield, Essot, Chestvrtield, C;.rdi;ori, Aytesford, Sand-
wich, Camden, Clank-am, and Warwick.
Viscount Nelson..

Lordr—Pucie, Walsingham, Lowther, Cathcart, Crenvilje,
LoftUs, Glendore, Melbourne, Ifirownlow, C. So-
merset, R. Tottenham, Bavning, Willotmhby De Broke,
Hobart, Hawko4bury, Pelham, Castlereagh, and Amherst.

Gorods—Phippo and Ross. '
Admiral Berkeley.
Colonels—Robinson, Graham, and Metham.
Captains—Chaplain, Paul-, Sir S. Smith, and Stirret.
Saumarez, W. Hamilton, and F. Molyneux.
Messrs—Duncorribe, Canning, Ryder, Lamb, Burnel, Town-
shend, Dickens, Yellowlay, Broderic, Guerin, Bague, Por-
talis, and Smith.
The Presentations to the KING were :
Lord LoWater, on coming to his Title:
Lord Robert Tottenham.
Capt. Stirret, of the Guards, by Lord CAthcart.
Lord Glendore, on his arrival from Ireland,. by Captain Paul,'
of the Navy.
Mr. Burnel, by, the Lord in Waiting.
Mr. Duncombe, by Earl Dartmouth.
Mr. ToWnshend, by Sir W. Scott.
Mr. Portalis, Secretary to the French
.ambassador, accompa-
nied by Messrs. Guerin and Bagne, Aid-de-Camps, by
Gen. Andreossi.
The Hon. Mr. Lamb, accompanied his father, I.ord Mel-
bourne.
The Earl of WAR WICK was at the Levee for the
first time this season. .
After the Levee His mAJEsTy received the Ad-
dress of the Lords in the Great Council Chamber.
Lord ARDEN and Viscount NE LsoN attended as the
Mover and Seconder, 'The KING afterwards held
a Council of the Ministers, at,er which Monsieur
Ovro had an audience of leave to return to his
Court. His MAJESTY then returned to the Queen's
House.

Her Royal Highness the PRINCESS of WALES
' paid a visit yesterday to the QUEEN.
We have the pleasure to announce the safe arrival
in the Downs on the zzd inst. of the Hon. East In-
dia Company's. ship the Princess Mary, Capt. AN_'
DREW GREEVE, and the Ann, Capt. ALEXANDER'
SINCLAIR, from the Presidency of Bengal, which.
place they left on the fat day of June ; arrived at
the Island of St. Helena in September, and sailed
the z6th. The Pursers arrived at the India House.
with their Dispatches late on Monday night.
The above Ships sailed from Portsmouth on the gth of
September, 1801, with the- Manship.and Comet, for Bengal;
the Caledonian and the General Stuart, for Madras, and the
Sovereign and the Northampton, fbr Bombay.
The Princess Challotte Captain Benjamin Richardson,
from the Spice Islands, sailed from St. Helena for England
the 17th September.
The Lord Eldon, Captain Asper Sweete, and the Minerva,
Captain George Weltden, sailed from St. Helena rim- the
Cape of Good Hope on the 23d of September. 'the Skelton
Castle likewise left St. Helena for. the Cape on the 4th of
October.
The Comet, Captain Thomas Larkins, sailed from Bengal
on the iamb of May ; but having sustained, some damage in a
gale of wind in the lay, she put back to repair.
The Sovereign, Captain Gilbert Mitchell, was left at Ben-
gal taking in a cargo for England.
The Manship, Captain John Logan; the General Stuart, .
Captain Robert A bbon Mash ; the Caledonian, Captain John
Craig; and the Northampton, Captain Robert Balker, were
at Bengal.
The Scaieby Castle, Country Ship, left Bombay the ad of
July for England ; arrived at the I stand of St. Helena the
beginning of September, and sailed the 13th.
The Companys regular ships, the Thames, Captain Ro-
bert tVilliams; the , Walmer Castle, Capt. Essex Henry.
Bond; and the Canton, Captain Thomas Lushing:on, which
sailed from Portsmouth the lath of February last, arrived at
Bombay early in the month of June following.

We are happy in being able to state from un-
doubted authority, that our Government of Bengal
• have dispaiched Mr. CHURCHILL to the Isle of
France, in the Cornwallis, Capt. TENNENT. This
Gentleman is instruttted to claim the restitution of
several ships, belonging to our Merchants in India,
which it appears have been captured since the Peace.
The Priv,iteer which made the capture, is called the
Sabtilite, and was commanded by Capt. Pt MAUD.—
IL is coniiijently said' - that the French Conmander
was we convinced of the Preliminaries of Peace
<l4 . T~E'Z.:Jill/IC
captured Ihe Highland Chief, Porcher; and ARive ;
and theTas,Cal,c. MEiK, was taken by the Bellona,
and the whole sent to the Mauritiu;. In addition
to the above Prizes, are the following: The Sophia
Brig, Capt. HAYES the Clarissa, Mr. HnitcoußT,
Chief Mate ; the Nancy, crab, -Mr. ROPER, Second
Mate; the Orient, from • Chittagong ; the Apollo,
Capt. BROWN ; the Coo/wed/is, Lieut. M'CAsx L L ;
the Amboyna, Capt. ALENS ; a Brig, which missed
the Island, and went to Bourbon ; and the Prince,
Capt.
_Sco. T.
Yesterday a Court of Direaors was held at the
East India House, when Captain CaAt.c was sworn
into the command of the new ship E/ph;nstone,
destined for Bonth#.--The Court adjourned at six
o'clock fill to-morrow.

Sir GEORGE LEITH, Bart. according to the latest
accounts received trinii the East Indies, was lett in
possession of Prince of Wales's Island, as Lieutenant-

Governor.

We understand from Madras, that Jos' AHWEI3
Esq. has been appointed Resident at the CoUrt of
His Highness the Rajah of MYSORE, at Seringapa_
tam, in the room of Lieutenant-Colonel BARRY
CLOSE, who has proceeded to I3oonah, as the Bri.
tWi Resident at the Court 'of His Highness the
Peishwa, STREEMENT RAo PUNDIT PURDHAM.

The Privy. Council again met yesterday morning
at eleven o'clock. Lord PELHAM, the ATTOR-
NEY an,l SOLICITOR GENERALS, were present.--
Fourteen of the persons in custody were brought up
br the gaoler from, Tothill-fields Prison. john
Whitloe, one of the paity found at. the Oakley
Arms, was, after a short examination, discharg-
ed on his own recognizance. Wheeler, ?intent,
Blake, and Dry, four others, were taken to Union-
Hall, and there dLcharged upon giving the same
sureties. The remaining nine, viz. Terence Gaiter,
Patrick Pollard, Owen Byrne, alias John Lambert,
Solomon Chdron, Lawrence Sheridan, Michael Owen,
George Wade,. and John ill‘Carthy, were re-com-
mitted.

A Private in the Guards, of the name of Pollard,
was likewise brought ty from Tothill-fields, and
underwent a long examination, after which he was
ordered to be committed to the Savoy.
Several warrants were issued for the apprehen-
sion of other persons, supposed to be implicated in
this Conspiracy.
Tuesday the LORD MAYOR. ordered the Price of
Bread to be lowered half an Assize, or one penny in
the peck loaf, to take place this day.—The price of
the quartern loaf is ninepence farthing.
We understand that a Petition is preparing against
the Return for Berwick upon Tweed.
Mart ied, Mr..DARKE, of Holborn-hill, to Miss
WEDGE, daughter of CHARLES WEDGE, Esq. of
Westly Bottom, Cambridgeshire.
Died yesterday morning, Mrs. ALLAN, of Sloane_
street, in the 72d year of her age.
Died on Tuesday, in Chiidbed, Mrs. KEN-
WORTHY, Wife of Mrs. jAMEI KINWORTHY,'Oi
ironmonger.line, -Cheapside,

NAVAL NEWS.

DOPER, Nov. 24.

IT appears that the Dutch Ship the Vrede) of
which I sent you the melancholy account yestetdat
drove on shore upon Dymchurch Wall, about that
miles to the Westward of Hythe, and went
pieces, she being an old crazy Ship, almost it n°3;o'
diately. The scene, at the moment she went f
pieces, I learn from a Gentleman who was one of
about thirty people then upon the shore, wag
nixing beyond the power of words to deserw:i;
'The following List of the Crew is taken from °"
of the survivors :

Soldiers - - 320
Officers - -
Seamen 6rz
Women -7 -
Children - - -
Passengers - - 20

of whom, lamentable to relate, only 18472 were save'
and the greatest part of them are dreadfully maiilleo
and bruised. About zoo of the bodies have be
picked up along shore. Not an Officer was saved,

FALMOUTH, Nov. 22.

ARRIVED His Majesty's Ship Le Renard, of
guns, Captain ALDHAM, and Hunter Brig, cf lb
goes, Capt. JoNEs, from a Cruize, and remain W't
the Gannet Brig, of IS guns, in Carrick Roads.
The French Sloop Les Deux Saws Unies, late
Captain AMIENS (who died on his passage Wile'
ward), from Senegal bound to Havre, with gins
ivory, &c. went on shore on Saturday night lashat Port Holland, about four leagues East of
cif
Port. The crew and part 9f the cargo saved.,
In consequence of icontagious fever having broken
out on board the Ship Mari, Capt. TEMPLE,
arrived here some little time
.since, bound to Artie-
rica, from London, she having on board about for`i
Blacks, she is ordered into'quarantine.