The Sun.
London, England, 1834-02-11 00:00:00

TRADE WITH CHINA.

(From the Spectator.)
If the shipowners of England, instead of indulging in
melancholy forebodings of the ruin of our navy, and sense-
less denunciations of Mr. Huskisson's reciprocity system,
were to exert themselves to procure the repeal of the Or-
ders in Council lately issued for the regulation of our Cal-
ton trade, we should have a higher opinion of their spirit
and sagacity than we think they deserve at present. It
is really marvellous to observe the apathy with which the
mercantile community appear to regard this subject. It
is now some weeks since the attention of the putilic was
directed to the injurious consequences of these Orders in
Council to our Canton trade ; yet we have seen no symp-
tom: of any attempt on the part of the shipowners, dock-
, owners, and merchants of London, to procure their repeal
They ought certainly to know by this time that Mr.
Charles Grant will do nothing till he is compelled to exert
himself; and that the silence of the mercantile community
in regard to the injury likely to result to British commerce
from the regulation in question will be taken for an
approval of them. That we are not making much of a
matter of really small importance, will appear from the
following statement, which we copy from an evening
paper :
" About 45 ships, the tonnage of which amounted to
nearly 70,000 tons, were, previously to the late Act of
Parliament for opening the trade to China, employed in
the irdde between London and China. About 2,950 offi-
cers and men were employed in those ships. Above 4,000
persons were engaged in fitting them out. The value of
each of those ships was about 50,000/.
" Tnis,was the state of things. What is their present
situation ? Three of the ships formerly employed have
gone, or are going this season, from London to China;
four other British ships are gone or are going. The ton-

nage of the whole seven amounts to 8,500 tons. Not one
of these ships has been engaged to go to Canton. Their
bills of lading, in consequence of the Orders in Council,
are merely for Macao or Lintin. 17 American vessels are
gone, or are going, this season, to China, from London
and Liverpool.*
The value of each of the ships engaged in the East

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India trade was formerly about 50,000/. ; it is now re-
duced to 10,0001. or 12,0001. The number of hands
employed in navigating and fitting out vessels to Canton
from London bas been diminished by at least 6,000.
Surely this is a serious matter. The want of employ-
ment for our shipping is, to a certain extent at least, easily
accounted for by the fact, that every British vessel of 400
tons burden, with a cargo of 100,0001., has to pay a duty
of 7501., from which American and other shipping is free.
Of course, American or Dutch vessels will be preferred by
shippers to our own, as long as they can carry goods to
Canton at a so much cheaper rate.

A RESIDENCE IN THE WEST INDIES
AND AHERICA.-The uniform good humour, the spirit,
and billy displayed in these volumes, by Lieut.-C lonel
St. Clair, would constitute, by themselves, a very choice
attraction for meat readers ; but, united with the strange
and varied history of his adventures, they become perfectly
irresistible. In every line we see the native ability, the
ample acquirements, and the plain energetic qualities of
the gentleman soldier.—Monthly Review.
CHOLERA IN A NEW FORM.—The " black
tongue " disease in horses is becoming so prevalent, and
spreading with such rapidity, that we are almost induced
to believe it a species of cholera. It is infecting horses,
cows, oxen, sheep, and even the feathered tribe, and what
is more strange, a man near Deerfield, who has been
among horses suffering with it, has contracted the disor-
der ! It is a species of putrid sore throat or canker rash,
eating off the roots of the tongue, and turning it black, at
the same time diseasing the glands of the throat. Cleanli-
ness of racks and mangers should be preserved, and as a
preventive, salt is said to be excellent. A piece of gum
assafostida placed in each manger, and another fastened in
the water bucket, are indispensable to the health of ani-
mals about these dmes. Another preventive used in large
statues in this town, is putting a composition of tar and
and winding it round the bits.
camphor on a piece of cloth,
Fine salt thrown into the mouth, and sulphur scattered in
the manger occasionally, are also deemed preventives.—
American Paper.

Mr. STANLEY—He will pardon me for saying I con-
ceive the position in which the House is now placed, and
the results which it will come to, depend ant so much on
the grounds of motion as on the view to be taken and the an-
swer to be given by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman ; be-
cause the question, as I understand it, is this, that
with reference to the Honourable and Learned Gen-
tleman there is this statement made, and with re-
g .rd to him, this statement only, that out of the
House, with reference to the Coercion Bill, he has held
language at variance with that which be has held within
the House ; and I wish, before the House is called
on to decide, to know whether the Honourable and
Learned Gentleman so understands tF e extent of the
statement, arid whether upon that statem,nt.--that he
has held, in conversations out of this House, lan
guage different tram that which he has held within the
House, he rests hi: denial, and asks his exculpation by
inquiry. lam sure he will give a distinct answer to that
question, for on that distinct answer must mainly rest the
course to be taken tin the present occasion.
Mr. O'CONNELL (with great energy)—l object—
(Hear)—to my Hon. and Learned Friend being induced—
I will use no other expression—to give any answer
whatever, to what I think an insidious attempt
to prevent my Hon Friend obtaining that justice to which
he is entitled. Ido not give the Right Hon. Gentleman
any credit for the mode in which he has attenip,ed in
kindness, to introduce this case. It is not what I

would represent ; it is of a very dill-rent form
to that which I am now to lay before the House.
After some deliberation, and with more distinctiveness of
purpose than he had when the case was last mentioned, he
must say, that the delay appeared to him to have had two
advantages, which had enabled him to make up his mind
on the course which ftir play and justice required, and to
perceive the infinite difference, which be confe•sed
he did not perceive at first, between the statement
of the Noble Lord (Althorp), and the statement, what-
ever it might have been which the Hon. Memlier for Hull
declared himself ready to give evidence of to the House.—
(Hear, hear.) No two things could be more distinct;
and he confessed that in his hurry on the first occasion be
had perhaps naturally, but certainly undesignedly, made
a great mistake.—(Hear.) He bad mixed that which
alight be thought a -erious offence with that which might
not have called for any inquiry from the Noble Lord's
using the word responsibility when he volunteered
an answer when a different charge was brought

lorward.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He said volunteered,
because he thought that the Noble Lord had adopted and
justified the statement of the Hon. Member for Hull.

He (Mr. O'Connell) would not retract what he said when
he acted on that impression, the more particularly because
he wished the discussion to be divested of all personal
feelings, of all personal hostility, or of excitement of the
passions.—(Hear, hear.) He wished to bring the House
to what he conceived to be the teal breach of privilege,
and that was in the publication of the Hon. Member's
speech. He meant to move for a Committee to inquire
into that breach of privilege, and to give that Committee
full power to investigate into all the facts, not only in
point of form, but in their substance and meaning. He
wished the inquiry to be as extensive as possible. He
wished the Noble Lord, who bad declared his be-
lief as to what he was told, to extend the inquiry
as to the matter of his belief, in order that he might him-
self retract that belief if he should find that it was not
well founded. He should first bring forward the distinct
breach of privilege, and then that the value of character
might be ascertained, in order that the House might know
if there was any foundation in what he considered still to
be a miserable and designed slander against the Members
of the Sister Country—(Hear, hear)—fir they had been
thrown together into a group. The Hon. Member for
Hull had spoken of one, and the Noble Lord had said
there were many. (Loud cries of " No, no.")
He had certainly said more than one.—(Hear,hear.) The
situation the Noble Lord had left the Irish Members in
must nece,s Idly be exceedingly painful. Upon that point
the Noble Lord had volunteered an answer, and he (Mr.
O'Connell) thought the Noble Lord should justify himself
by naming the others, but first and before all thitivs, by
naming his informant.—(Hear, hear.) But he (Mr.
O'Connell) had not yet arrived at that point. The first
part related to toe Hon. Member for Hull, who had
admitted the substance of the publication, although
not the actual words, and who had suggested a Coin.
inittee before whom he ple'ged himself to prove it.
He (Mr. O'Connell) challenged him to show the possi-
bility of his proving it. The publication was by three
newspapers ; one, the Hull Rockingham, which he be-
lieved to be the steady supporter of the Hon. Member. He
certainly might be mistaken, but at all evens the
article had the appearance of having been communicated.
If it bad been communicated by the lion. Member for
Hull it would have been communicated in that character,
but nothing would rest upon that if the fact were de-
nied. He would content himself with merely bringing the
fact before the House, and if that fact was denied or as-
sented to by the Hon. Member for Hull, the House would
know whether it was so or not. He was not upon a
former occasion in the possession of the documents he
then was, but he had them now, and in toe Era
miner newspaper the words were used in this way :-
1 I put it to you if it is necessary, when an Hon. Irish
• Member who voted against every part of the Irish
Coereioti Bill, went to Ministers and said that it was ne-

meaning—of the Noble Lord, although it was sometimes
imp asible to understand what lit (Lord Althorp) said, and
he had often been mistaken.—(Hear, h. ar. ) Even deputa-
tions had sometimes b. en mistaken in supposing that the
Nob 'e Lord had given them answers which it after-
wards turned out be had not given—(Hear, hear)—fur
he had said himself that he had not. —(A laugh.) How
many speeches had they nut beard out-ide the House
which were totally different in their purport from the
votes given in th- House. The declaration made by the
Noble Lord was calculated to produce a 5, rung impression
on the winds of the public ; but he (Mr. O'Connell)
hoped theHousewould not protect the individual making that
declaration from the reponsibilitywhich should attach to it.
Who then reported this private conversation? It it had
been intended to be communicated to the public, it
was in the nature of innocent conversation.—(Hear,
hear.) lf, on the other hand, it was of a nature
that it could not in its essence be intended for the
public, he would ask whether such conversation had not,
and ought not to have in its essence the sacred garb of
the silence of a gentleman's private conversation?—
(Hear, hear.) Was it necessary for one gentleman
to say to another " You must not tell this." W hy, every
man must know that he ought not to tell it. It was a
violation of confidence. They had lately heard enough
of noting down. Heaven help Lord Brudenell.—
(Cries of " Oh, oh," and " Hear, hear.") They
had made him responsible for the charge. He would
read the sentence of the Courttnartial—(" Oh, oh," and
" Hear")—he would show that this practice existed
in the fifteenth Hussars. It was, however, ho-
nourable to the tittle-tattle upon which this
charge was founded.—(Cries of " Oh, oh !") He was
not surprised at this kind of disapprobation. There was
no man that had not felt that it was deserving of such,
but he did not feel that the effects of this disapproba-
tion were levelled at him, at least he would not
suffer himself to be interrupted with such indecent exclama-
tions.—(Lood ci ies of " Order, order ;" " Chair, chair.")
The SPEAKER put it to the feelings of the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman whether it was necessary for him (the
Speak-r) to substantiate the general opinion of the House
—he put it to his feelings whether it was consistent
with the rules of the House to refer to any particular sub-
ject w Mc!), as far as the public were concerned, was not
before them ?—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear.")
Mr. O'CONNELL said that it was not for the pur-
pose of injuring any person, or out of disrespect
to the tribunal before whom the case that he alluded
to was tried. The case had received the sanction of his
Majesty, it was promulgated by the Horse Guards—it
was, in fact, as common as the daily newspapers. He
alluded to it only as containing an opinion upon a particular
practice of a highly bonour-ible unity. The taking notes of a
private conversation was deeply revolting to every honour-
able feeling of gentlemen, and highly injurious to his
M jesty's service. There the conversation was taken down;
here, on the other band, it was not taken down, and
was therefore liable to a still further stigma of being
different from what actually did occur. Was this a
charge which the Government would shrink from
Winging forward, and on which the reporter, whom
the Noble Lord said he believed, and whom he (Mr.
O'Connell) disbelieved, was not to be adduced, neither
his name nor his address to be given, and this the
natural consequence, viz., that many honourable men wbu
were utterly incapable of the turpitude of this species of
!elating private conversation, would have the stigma affixed
upon them, while the person who was really guilty would
skulk under the protection of the Noble Lord's reponsibility?
He hail heard many persons named,some he believed, others
he doubted ; but he had heard the names of persons some of
whom he knew to be utterly incapable of such au action.
Their names had been noised abroad; they had gone through
the country. It an inquiry was now stifled, or responsi-
bility shrunk from, it would, to a certain extent,
be of frightful consequences to the persons implicated, whilst
tne wretch who was realty guilty would escape. It was,
therefore, that lie brought the case before the House.
He did so in perfect good temper. He brought forwaid the
charge of the Member for Hull. He wished to know to
what extent the Hun. Member meant to make that charge,
within what litni.s it was to be confined, and whether
the Hon. Member was ready to repeat it? He prop sed
that there should be appointed a Committee of Privi
loges, and be would move that a pa-sage of the Examiner
iiewspap-r of the 4th of Nov. should be referred to it.
fhe subject was a direct breach of privilege, but he dot
not know now otherwise to deal with it. He woulu
not take upon himself the responsibility of tittle tattle oil.
orefspthoen.Hiztsey.;
and be se
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irsponsibilty ; he hail inflicted the wound, and be bait
to ask, whether it was just to allow the suffering
ue
the names of that Coin
victim an opportunity of setting himself tree
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a Committee, and would read
mittee to the House, not one of the gentlemen
of which was any way connected with the Irish party ci

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of conscience, and there was no rn tr- *ay li64lllitte 1 ,d. g
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purchased from pursuing that .course, ri, ' . - 0 , r/
since would his splendid talents have enalainebOls, tn-
higher station, and while be would have deserved tli
them from the course they bad determined to follow, viz.,
ictusrsseouorf hisce s._co(uHnterayr.lie would have received full
Nothing, however,
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ter
a full and fair inquiry. The Member for Hull had
declared himself ready to meet the charge, and the
Noble Lord was willing to sustain the responsibility ;
therefore they could throW no obstacle in the way of
such an inquiry. He then moved that an inquiry into
the statements of a paragraph in the Examiner newspaper
of the 4th of November last should take place befere a
Committee of Members of that House, whose names he
laid upon the table.
Mr. HILL then rose to reply, and said,
that for hie
own part he should answer the speech of the Hon. and
Learned G ntletnan with an even temper, anti as far as be
could he would follow the Hon. and Learned Gene
tleman in precept, hut neglect his exemple.—(Hears
hear, and great laughter.) It had been a matter of
doubt whether a gentleman could express sentiments out
of the House at perf.ct variance with his apeeehes and his
course within the House. But it would be in the revel-
I, ction of the House that the Hon. and Learned Member
had said he (Mr. H.) was pet f ctly just fie I in everything
he had advanced.—(Hear.) Now the Hon and Leatned
G ntleman said he would not withdraw his retraction ; if
the Hon. Gentleman told him so, what was he te m ilte of
his speech ? Was it not an explaining away of the
justification of every thing he said of his (Mr. H.'s) speech
at Hull, as attributed to him in the paper referred to?—
(No, no.) Does the Learned Member withdtaw his
retraction or does he not ? I will have one or the other.
—( Hear, hear.) T,,.. Hon. Member on Wedneetlay even -
ing said be (Mr. H.) was perfectly justified in what he
had done and said, therefore he must have admitted
the truth of it. Now it would he for that House tit say
whether he was right or wrung, whetle :' he was in tin .d
or not, whether, in fact, 1 e believed what be t:,:611 't Hilt,
or it hether he had been mistaken. Was that the ne acing
of the Hon. Member, or was it not? He would the:'k
him for something upon which he could fix.—(Lend
tries of " Hear, hear.") Nothing could he so distinct iis
hese two propositions. Was the Hon. Member prep ired
to say that he was guilty or innocent ef /wane under a
mistake, or that there were not two distinct propel ions
to be consider, d ? He wanted to know his starting...place,
what he bad to nicer, and to defend. The Hun. Membee
in hie lett, r, whet ein be let loose the press of Ireland uponi
him—( Hear, bear)—had charged him with having in.
vented the whole statement. He wished to know whe-
ther he did fabricate that statement, or any part of it;
and whether he could prove that he had acted in truth
or in error ? As he obtained no reply, he would pro-
ceed with hie ease. The Hon. and Learned Member in his
letter said, " This man fabricated this statement." Now he
wanted to know how he found that out? He would
wish to ask him, accomplished as he was in casuistry,
to point out the difference between him who asserts that
which he cannot know to be true, and him who
asserts that which he knows to be false 2—( Hear,
hear.) How did the Honourable Member know he
fabricated it? If it were so, there could be but two who
were acquainted with the fact. Were he and the Hon.
Member like the Siamese twins?—(Great laughter.) The
Hon. Member did not know his goings forth or
his comings in, and he could not, therefore, know
whether he had fabricated the statement or not.
He appealed to the House, with recollection of the trans.
actions of October, 1883, whether his statements in re-
spect to one Member of that House remained to be
fabtica•ed, whether they were true or false, and
a hether they were not known to hundreds within the
House, and to thousands without it?—(Hear, t ear )
He held in his hand a public letter written to hint, at some
length, by a gentleman who signed himself " Feargus
O'Connor." It was a letter of censure on him, but the
censure was so at, eight forward that it never for a moment
disturbed his temper. As that letter was almost word fir
word of the report that had been read from the tdble, it
was clear that he bad bad it bef ere him In that
letter the name of a gewleman was mentioned—a
name which he had never mentioned, merely be-
cause he had never been asked it.—(Hear, hear.) In
that letter the Honourable Gentleman said, " I heard the
slander from a Member in the Hous-, and I frankly
deel ire, that if I knew the name of that Mem-
ber, I would at once give his name." He
disbelieved the statement at the time, he slid, but he
(Mr. H.) had not made his statement to show the truth of
it, but to show that such a charge had been made, months
before, in the House of Commons. On the 28th Novetnii-r
he found that the Hon. and Learned Member fot Dublin
was at a public dinner at Clondalktn, a place, he b-lieved,
somewhere near Dublin. There he took notice of this
letter, written by the Hon. Memher for Cork, and said
the writer of it was a very unwise friend if his, and
characterised the letter as a most foolish one, which
would be laughed at in England, and should he so in
Ireland. Also that it was folly—sheer filly—to c .n-
-nect the name of his Honourable and Learned
Friend with the slander which had been uttered as
against one or mere of t' e Irish Members. He quoted
that letter of the 28th November—a letter written by a
gentleman whose veracity was unimpeached, merely
to show that such a charge as he had made
allusion to, had been made, long before, in that House.
After that letter had so been brought under the Honour-
able and Learned Member's notice, he found that that Hon.'
and Learned Gentleman addressed another letter,
full of abuse, to his (Mt. Hill's) constituency.—(Hear.)
The Hon. and Learned Member said, that he had been
charged by the Hon. Member for Hull with having dis-
proved that statement, and that he had made no answer to
that point.—(Hear, hear.) Now, he (Mr. Hill) thought
that he had proved the proposition he had set
out with. The Hon. and Learned Member had ex-
pressed his surprise that he had not answered the charge.
The reason he hail not done so was that the friends
of the Hon. and Learned Member who 'he had presumed
to call foolish—(Hear)—but he would not do so—(Hear)
—had answered it for him, and if they had not, he should
have waited with perfect patience to address the House,
knowing full well that he should have been given
credit by the Holm for not stating that which was
untrue. He was a humble individual, but in his small
sphere he would undertake to say that would be
the case; but in addition to that he knew he should be be-
lieved by every one who knew the Hon. Member for Dublin,
and that was a large class.—(Hear, hear.) He bad not
presumption enough to consider himself equal with the
Honourable Member for Dublin—(Hear, hear)—his
skill and talent for vituperation were unrivalled, and
he would therefore never enter the lists with him
in a species of discussion in which he knew he sheuld he
worsted.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The fiCr`olli with which
the Hun. Member bad set out were so monstrous, that
he knew they would answer themselves ; they were
of so perishable a nature that they would not
stand the least test.—(Hear.) If he wished thetn to
bear the least inspection, he must put a little more ef the
alloy of truth in their composition—(Hear, hear)—(it' er-
wise they would be here to-day and gene to-morrow ;
in fact, they were nihbed away to set up his charges.—
( Hear, hear, and continued laughter.) The Honourable
and Learned Member had said, speaking of the retract il,
that he had been Liken by surprise, that he rea ly thought
when the Noble and Learned Lord, the Chancellor
of the Exchequer, sat down, that he was satis-
fied, and that it was in the heat of the moment
chat he bad made the retraction he had done.—(Hear,
hear.) But it seemed that the Hon. and Learned Member
was undeceived upon that part by the Right amour-
able Secretary for the Colenies on the genie even-
ing.—(Cries of " No, no," from Mr. O'Connell.) Well,
then, the next night. If that was so,why did he watt till the
present evening before he made the statement he had
done, stating that be was undeceived ? He (Mr. Hi 1)
could not think such conduct was altogether fair, and
it was rather a matter of surprise to him that, the
Hon. and Learned Member should consider that he would
urther his case by such a proceeding. In all that he
(night have to say upon the subject, he would take care
that nothing should tall from him unworthy of the House
it. himself. The House had taken care to bind his hands,
,nd that bring so he should consider it his duty to put his
tongue and his pen under the same guidance.—(Cheera.)
tie thought it was due to the House and to himself to
irate, at the earliest possiole moment he could, as far ita his
recollection went, the substance of what he did say.
tie did not pretend to act upon his own memory
is the standard, but he stated, as far as he could,
he substance of what be said, and he observed
*ls° that he spoke under very adverse circumstances. He
wade the original statement on the 22ti October, and his
itzention was not called to the impoi :mace tif his observe-
bone until he saw the Elaminer of the 10th November.
t Wits then brought to his attention; and a• soon as he
ad heard that it bad created an excitement, and
.iad given pain to some Honourable Members, he gave

slake as early as possible, as the best means that
appeared to him, tba• if he were applied to, he would
give to all but one person what would be in his opinion
a satisfactory answer. After having adopted that which
appeared to him the best course he could pursue,
he could not imagine bow it was that the Honourable
and Learned Gentleman (Mr. O'Connell) chose to defy
and taunt him. More than that, as he was now in a
situation in which his motives could not be misconstrued,
he must say that he deeply dep'orrd, whether he was right
or wrong as to the facts, that be had made the statement.
—(Hear.) He had had no opportunity before of making
that declaration, because, on the first occasion he bad been
spoken of in terms of abuse, of defiance, and of insult ;
as long as that conduct wss resorted to, he felt he could
not make the slightest concession.—(Hear, heir.) He
had spoken from a recollection of what passed several
months ago, and he could only state it as his recollec-
tion of the substance of his observations ; at least
of what he intended to have said, and what his course of
argument naturally led to. As to that part which related
to the machinery by which votes were obtained, he did
not believe that it was accurate, because it bad no connexion
with what preceded or succeeded it. He had no hostility
to Misifaers—(A cheer from an Hon. Member)—he could
lAA conceive what the Hon. and Learned Member meant
by that cheer ; he was ready, if the House thought be
ought to do so, to go again over what he had said; he was
in the judgment of the House, and if the House wished
him to do more than he bad dune, and with greater
correctness, be would willingly do so.—(Hear, hear.)
He (Mr Hill) rose for the purpose of seconding the motion
of the Hon. and Learned Member, and nothing would give
him more pleasure than that the fullest investigation should
be made into this matter.—(Hear, hear.) It was his
most anxious wish. The Honourable Member to whom
be alluded was entitled to a reply front him, had he
asked him the question himself, which he did not ; and he
would be glad if he were proved innocent by the in-
quiry, and that he (Mr. Hill) and the Notie Lord had
been misinformed.

Colonel EVANS add that he 1i:44 tertainly
been of
opinion, and be expressed hi7aself to that effect, that
the present inquiry w"..s replete with absurdity,
and felt the strongest ir,dignation that secret in-
siuuatione shou'd be t
Irai,e to undermine the veracity
of the Honourable_ member for Tipperary but now
he could say, t':,at he was filled with disgust, and held
the most 'ineffable contempt for the attempt that was
made for that purpose. It was the habit on all
wcasions to put forward the Right Hon. Secretary
for the Colonies—the Coryphaeus, he would call him,
of the Ministry—(A laugh)—whenever an emergency
required his ingenuity or interference. He (Col. Evans)
had read the other day in a review, that the Right
Honourable Gentleman had been gifted with an
instinctive rower of Parliamentary tactics, and be certainly
thought that the proceedings of the other night in the
House proved that.—(Hear, from the Opposition.) The
Right Honourable Gentleman on that occasion rose, and,
turning off the deep calumny of the imputation, di-
rected the attention of the House to the asseveration
of Mr. Sheil—(Hear)--accompanied it with some solemn
warning concerning that asseveration, as if all was un-
necessary, except that consideration alone, and thus di-
vetted the attention of the House from the train question
at issue.--(Hear, hear.) If the Hon. Member for Hull
bad gratuitously, and he would say indiscreetly, made any
remark that involved the character of any one, why
should a new charge be brought forward, and a new ver-
sion be endeavoured to be given to the original one?
Did he remember that on such a supposition he was liable
to he visited with the censure of the House? And why
*hould any allusion be made, as was on the other
evening, to any possible contingency ofexpulsion ?—( Hear. )
He (Colonel Evans) had been a member of a Committee
to investigate certain charges of espionage.—(Hear, hear.)
And what were the facts that came out ? That fifty
reports of spies sent to the officers under whom they acted
were brought before the notice of the Committee, and this re-
ferred to only one district, including hut a very small portion
of the metropolis, which merely showed the number of occur-
renc s that bad tek,n place throughout the entire city.
The result of the inquiry was, a declaration on the part
of the Government that the matter was quite harmless.
He did not allude to the present er any other Government,
nor did he intend making any observations upon that
declaration, further than that he did not quite agree in that
opinion. It appeared to him that a most extraor-
dinary lapse of vigilance had taken place on the
part of the officers, when fifty reports had been made, and
no stop put to them. The present appeared to him to be
a following up of even a more objectionable proceeding
than that which then took place.—(Hear, hear.) He
hoped his Majesty's Government would come forward,
and say that this ridiculous and absurd matter should
not be further proceeded with. He (Colonel Evans)
differed moat distinctly from the view taken by the
Honourable and Learned Member for Dublin, not only in
the previous aspect of the transaction, but now. The
Hon. Member for Hull seemed to think this matter a mere
scrimmage between the Noble Lord and the Hon. and
Learned Member for Dublin : the case was more serious,
but it did not rest between those poisons at all. The
Honourable Member for Tipperary may perhaps see
that it is a very pretty quarrel as it stands, and may
fairly leave the matter to be settled between them.
Tne SPEAKER then put the question, that it may
be referred to a Committee of Privileges.
On the question being put,
. .

Mr. HENRY GRATTAN rose and said, that he was
almost afraid to speak on this matter.—(Laughter, cries of
" Hear, hear,' " Question," and great confusion in the
House.)
Mr. GRATTAN addressed a question in a low tone of
voice to the Speaker.
The SPEAKER—The question has been put to me
whether the Hon. Member has spoken to the question ?
In parliamentary parlance I answer, Yes.—(Laughter, and
cries of " Go on.") . . .

Mr. GRATTAN again rose—He bad said with great
sincerity and truth that the question was one upon which
be was almost afraid to speak, for it involved great and
serious considerations. It was not simply a case between
two individuals. It was a charge of one public
officer against another, which seriously affected
his character in the discharge of his duty. He con-
ceived that the House ought to decide the case upon its
merits, as it bad excited considerable interest throughout
the country. The Hon. Member for Hull had said that he
would explain ; hut, he asked, what explanation had
he given ? He bad not given anything like a proper
explanation, he (the Hon. Member for Hull) bad never
denied bis speech till now, and when asked by the Hon.
Member for Westmeath, he had said that be never
used the words attributed to him, and that
he had never bean asked that question before ;
in short, that he had never mentioned one of
the Members for Ireland, and that the speech was in-
correct. The Hon. Member for Hull bad also said that
he would be cool; but he (Mr. Grattan) would ask
what difference was there between the coolness of the
Honourable Member for Hull, and the warmth of the
Honourable and Learned Member for Dublin ?—(Hear.)
He certainly did think that the Hon. Member for West-
minster was right, that if the charge was made out
against his Hon. and Learned Friend, he ought to be
expelled from the House, because he could conceive no
greater dereliction of duty, than that a Member of
that House should give his advice to Ministers, be-
hind the back of his country and his party, for the
mere purpose of getting into better odour with Mi-
nisters, and yet act diametrically opposite to that when
before his constituents. If the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman bad actually done so, he was entitled to great
credit for cleverness, because in all the conversations
be (Mr. G.) had had with him, be bad never gut from
him any statement that was not the most directly opposed
to the measure. He had had conferences with him
many times on the nature of the Bill, and the Hon. and
Learned Member for Tipperary had pointed out to him
in the course of those conferences, numerous Acts of Par-
'lament against the Bill, which had escaped his own at-
tention. But if Honourable Members changed from
the charge—and if they swerved from it, after
they had got a majority on the preceding occa
sion by a Government runner, he would not call him a
Government epy, and had damaged the characters of the
Irish Members, and put them in the situation of
seeking those redresses which otherwise they would
be entitled to, and leaving them exposed to the
various charges of the Noble Chancellor of the
Exchequer, no man would be safe. It was not merely a
question of espionage, but of feelings which must be
highly detrimental, not only to the character of the indivi-
dual, but to the public. The Hon. Member was bound
to make good his charge such as was made at Hull—
bound to show that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
went to a Minister—not a Cabinet Minister—and gave bis
deliberate opinion in favour of the passing of that measure,
which he had not courage enough in the House to
abstain from opposing. If this course were attempted for
the purpose of running down the Irish Members, he could
assure the Noble Lord and those of his party that such an
attempt must signally fail. What had the Noble
Lord done ? He had not only sanctioned this,
but he had gone further, for when it was put to him
whether the Hon. and Learned Member for Tipperary
was the individual, he sail be was one of them ;
that there were others, and that he believed it. Now

the Irish people depended on their character ;
those on the other side of the House had levelled a blow
at that character, and it became the Irish never to stand
quietly by, until they had placed the purity of that
character beyond all dispute.--(Hear, hear.) This
was an unjust charge, an unnecessary charge, and a cruel
attempt against an innocent individual t, and he was sure
that every Irish Member would be able to satisfy the
public that it was at best a base foul, and unworthy at-
tempt.

Sir F. BURDETT rose, not for the purpose of pro-
tracting this unpleasant debate, because he was quite sure
that in the position in which the House stood, a protrac-
tion of it could only have the effect of working its own de-
gradation. He was totally at a loss to know how it was
possible for the House to proceed. He was not aware,
up to this moment, what the breach of privilege was ; and
he, for one, must say, that as far as the Learned Member
for Tipp:rary was concerned, he thought nothing attached
to his character.—(Hear, hear.) There was nothing
whatever to inquire about. He should be ashamed of
himself if he did not say he believed the solemn asseve-
ration of the Hon. and Learned Member, and that there
ought to be no further inquiry. (Hear, hear.) He did
not see how the inquiry was to be gone into, he did not
see bow it was possible to make the subject a breach of
privilege. There was no charge against the Hon. Member.
They seemed at first to have conjured up in their ima-
ginations a sort of phantom, and which, when they came
to approach it, escaped from their grasp. He must
say that gentlemen very fr-quently, and almost neces-
sarily, had to speak out of that House : not
only that which they did not speak in the Howe, but
often that which was frequently opposed—and necessarily
opposed—to that which passed in the House. He owned
that if he had been called before the House, and
asked if he had ever used language out of the House,
different to what he had stated in it, he would say, why,
Gentlemen, I really have a very frail memory—l really
never have in the whole course of my life been able to
recollect, when out of the House, any thing I ever
stated when in it.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
For the gentleman immediately concerned on this occa-
sion, the House could not but feel every sympathy and
indulgence—(Hear, bear)—and no doubt it bad been
owing to that feeling the question had been entertained.
He did not regret its having been thus far entertained,
because, by its having been so, the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman had been sufficiently exculpated. In point of
fact, there was no accused man before the House. Con-
versations had been improperly repeated—(Cbeers)—m any
times he bad out of the House spoken of measures different
to the vote he had afterwards given, which difference of
conduct had been occasioned by what he had subsequently
heard stated in the House. He would undoubtedly have
thought it strange if, on every or any such occasion,
he had been called to account in that House. The im-
putation here really was nothing ; it was highly unfit that
gentlemen should repeat conversations. During the debate
on the great question of reform, it was constantly
imputed to those who were for it, in that Parliament
particularly where the anti-reformers took their stand, and
for a long time had the majority, that they acted from in-
timidation from without, and that, had it not been for
that, the anti-reformers would have had votes very
different to what were given. No gentleman, however,
ever thought that a personal imputation, nor was it de
facto so. But be would say more—in that House he
had given a vote, which vote standing alone,
and without looking at particular circumstances,
he neither could nor would out of doors justify nor defend,
but which, as connected with particular results, he felt
bound to give.—(Hear, bear, and cheers.) All
this seemed to be in the natural course of thing.,
and he knew not how things could go on if
intercourse of Elie most free and unrestrained kind were not
permitted between Hon. Members, but were to be made a
grave charge of. Why, the lightest thing in the world
might be made to assume a charge of the gravest
nature— (Hear, hear, hear)—and a most honourable
man might have imputations cast on him of a most serious
description, from the mere circumstance of being
called on to answer them. He really hoped the House
would be satisfied with having entertained this
question ; he hoped the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
would be satisfied ; it was impossiiple to do him more jus-
tice than had now been dune to him.—(Hear, hear.)
There was no charge before the House; the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman bad no accusers; rumours
had been improperly propagated, but the House must be
satisfied with the asseverations of the Honourable and
Learned Gentleman. When the feelings of Honourable
Gentlemen had cooled, he was sure that all must admit
that the public time ought not to be occupied in further
examination, which could only beiruitless. With those
feelings he did hope the House would permit him to move
that the further discussion of this subject should be
dropped, and that the House should now proceed to the
orders of the day.
Mr. SINCLAIR seconded the motion.

Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that they had now two
different statements to deal with, and the statement now
made by the Hon. Member for Hull was different from
that which he was reported to have said at Hull.
Mr. HILL rose and said, that what he bad said in
that House w:1 in substance the same statement that he
had made at Hull.—(Hear, hear, and cries of " No.")
He would say yes.—(Cheers.) He had stated on a
former evening that he was informed, and believed, and he
stated to the House, that an Hon. Member of
that House had made a communication to the
Government, that the Bill against which be spoke vio-
lently and voted, was necessary for the safety of Ireland.
—(Hear, hear.) He had never for a moment, if be
were allowed to Fa, so, varied from this statement.
He wished for an inquiry, he was anxious for an opportu-
nity to put bis truth to the proof, he was, he would repeat,
anxious for inquiry, and was not afraid to meet it. (Cheers.)

Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that Mr. Hill had
never impugned the accuracy of the report in the
Hull Newspapers ; and if be understood it rightly, the
Committee would have a charge very different from that of
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman— (Cries of " No, no")
on the ground that it would be both unfair and unjust
to the Hon. and Learned Member for Tipperary, for how
could that Hon. and Learned Gentleman meet the charge if
it were so vague, and extended to unknown limits?
The charges brought by the Honourable and Learned
Member for Hull and the Noble Lord were totally at
variance.—(Cries of "Hear," and " No.") If the charge
were of such a nature that it was possible to meet it with
justice and fairness, still he did not think that the_
House ought to take it up.—(Hear, hear.) They had
no right to establish a tribunal to inquire into the private
conversation of the Members of that House. He concurred
in what bad been stated by the Hun. Baronet, the Mem-
ber for Westminster, that this House ought not to
bring before a Committee the private conversation
of one of its Members. Under these circumstances, if
the Hon. Baronet had determined to persevere in his
motion, he (Sir Henry Willoughby) would support him.
Mr. STANLEY said that he never with greater diffi-
culty approached the consideration of any question, than
what would be the beet, and safest, and most prudent
course to adopt on the present occasion. On the one
hand he felt that if there was to be no further inquiry into
this case, some Hon. Members might conceive that they
had just reason to comp'ain, and it would be extremely diffi-
cult to make it clear to the public apprehension that they
had a good cause of opposition. On the other hand,
there was the difficulty, and the dangerous (not to say the
ruinous) consequences—(Loud cries of " Hear")—of esta-
blishing a precedent. Besides, he felt so strongly the force
of the argument brought forward by the Hon. Baronet
(the Member for Westminster), that he hardly knew how
to accede to the inquiry, or if he did so, in what manner
they could bring it to a practical good.—(Hear, hear.)
The Hon. Gentleman opposite seemed to impute motives
to him, but he most distinctly declared that he had no
motives whatever, except that the House should take that
course which was most consistent with public conve-
nience and private justice.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.)
Then how stood the case at the present moment—
in the course of last autumn the Hon. Member for Hull
made a Bp iech, in which be stated that one of the Irish
Members who spoke and voted against the Coercion Bill
in that House, went privately to the Minister!,
and said the Bill ought to pass ; but that
!II
public he was obliged to support it tor
fear of the consequences if he did not. Setting aside all
question as to the peculiarity of the present question, this
was tie statement made by the Honourable Member
for Hull—he did not know whether at an after•dioner
speech or not.—(A laugh.) There was no one singled
out ; but it was merely said that one of the body had
act-11 as stated. He agreed with the Hon. Baronet behind
him, that with regard to the Reform Bill there were many
gentlemen who wished many of its provisions should be
altered, yet still they voted for the entire measure.
--(Hear, hear.) Now they might very conscientiously
out of the House have spoken against those parts of it
which they disliked ; still would any one for a moment have
thought, that had such a thing been published, the Members
alluded to would have made out a sufficient ground
for a separate inquiry, and insist upon having
the question brought under the notice of the House in so
solemn a manner as was now asked for ?—(Hear.) The
charge mentioned no particular individual, and, therefore,
it was, that the distinction was to be drawn between the
declaration of the Hon. Member for Hull and his Noble

Friend (Lord Althorp). The declaration of the Noble
Lord was more full—it went farther—for be said
that more than one Irish nenber who had opposed the
Bill in the House, out of it used very different language.
The Hon. Gentleman opposite got up and asked the Nohle
Lord whether he was one of those to whom he bad al-
luded—the Noble Lord was obliged to answer that
he was one of those. The Honourable and Learned
Gentleman then made a most solemn denial of
his deserving the stigma which was cast upon him.
His reason for asking the Honourable and Learned
Gentleman the question he had done regarding
himself was that upon which would depend altogether the
fact whether there was before the House a charge or not.
Gentlemen might differ as to the import ince of the
charge, and as to the reflection on the character of any
gentleman in the statement that, in private conversation,
they had uttered sentiments different from the opinions they
had expressed in that House ; but be that heavy or light,
that was the whole charge against the Honourable and
Learned Member. The Hon. Member pointed to the
Hon. Member for Hull. Now he (Mr. Stanley) would
take upon himself to say, that that Honourable Member
pointed to no gentleman whatever. It therefore be-
came a question for the consideration of the House,
whether, after the great inconvenience that the House
had already suffered by allowing the question to be asked,
it would not take upon itself a much greater inconve-
nience, if it followed the course suggested by the Hon.
and Learned Member opposite.—(Hear.) That Learned
Member had sineleal out, for the purpose of bringing the
question before the House; either the editor, the publisher,
or the printer, he knew not which, for public papers
containing the report of a speech delivered not within the
walls of that House—( Hear)— ind upon that speech so pub-
lished he called upon the House to bring the editor before
it, to be visited as if he had been guilty of a breach of
privilege—( Hear, hear)—in imputing motives to a Member
of that House. If the House wet eto adopt that course, he
(Mr. Stanley) knew well if the speech of the Honourable
Member for Hull was accurately reported, what would be
that Hon. and Learned Member's conduct. He was sure
that no power on earth would allow him so far to forget
that gentlemanly feeling which he trusted actuated every
Member of that House as to suffer the publisher to be
called to the bar, and undergo punishment for that
for which he was not guilty.—(Great cheering, and cries
of " Hear.") If, however, the Hon. and Learned Member
still felt implicated—if he still felt there was ground for
further investigation—if he positively and distinctly
denied all that had been urged against him, he (Mr. Stan-
ley) would say again that he would vote for further inquiry
—(Hear)—hut at the same time he hoped that the House
would enter upon that inquiry with a full sense of the diffi
culties that surrounded, and the dangeis that might ensue
from it. It struck a Member of the House as somewhat
singular, that a gentleman should express opinions within
the House at veriance with those lie expressed out of the
House, and that in communicating with his friend-.
That Member might certainly take it to be an extraordinary
fact, but was there any thing so extraordinary in that as
to cast a suspicion on him who had heard or on him who
had repeated the expression ? There was no charge to
treachery made, and it was dangerous and mbiebi,e-
ous to bring those private conversations before the
notice of the House, or those who repeated such
conversations; and if the House took the step that
was proposed, they would take it with a full sense of the
danger and inconvenience to themselves as well as to the
parties. He could not concur in the amendment which had
been made by his Hon. Friend for several reasons ;
and if he were compelled to come to a vote upon the
question rather than vote for that amendment, he should
feel himself most reluctantly compelled to adopt the pro-
position of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman.—(Hear.)
He did not think even that the most canvenient course—
every course was full of danger and inconvenience, aed
it certainly would be inconvenient to give persons an op-
portunity of saying that the House wished to stifle that
inquiry which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had
thonght it his duty to propose.
Sir R. PEEL a iid he felt the condition in which
the House was placed, and he felt also that
they would get no credit from the public for thus taking
up their time.—(Cheers.) The public had been waiting
with impatience for the meeting of Pediment, to see what
measures of relief and of reformation it was intended to
propose, and they would now find that that tone which
ought to have been devoted to the public, had been occupied
with matters of a personal nature. They would feel that
the Hume wan occupied with matters of a personal. nature
more than with those in which they bad an in-
terest. As to a M-tuber of the House saying
out of the House something that was inconsistent
with what he said in, he thought it was nut a sebject for
inquiry, because he for one never would imply that t at
Member acted inconsistently with his duly. There
were many occasions in which a Member up en
a party question might be induced to 23ei Like his own
private opinion in deference to the party with whom he
acted. How often was it that Members entertained
a different opinion from their constituents, and that
honestly and conscientiously ? There were cases in which
constituents might require a course to be taken different
from that pursued, or intended to be pursued, by their
representative. Supposing such a Member went to his
constituents, or a deputation from them, and told them he
differed from them because the general interests of
the country required him to pursue another course, but
at the same time they all thought it would be
for their own interest he should do as they wished him ;
would it not be monstrous to appoint a Committee for
the purpose of determining whether that man's conduct
was inconsistent or not ? He therefore would never con-
sent to appoint a Committee to inquire whether any man's
conduct in the House was inconsistent, b-cause it would be
establishing a most fatal precedent.—(Hear, hear.) He
gave credit to the Noble Lord for the spirit and manliness
with which he had answered the questions put to bum on
a former evening, but be deeeply lamented that he had
done so ; as, had he resisted, much inconvenient investiga-
tion might have been avoided. If the Noble Lord had said,
in reference to what passed in private, that he would give
no opinion upon it, but would move for an inquiry into ir,
he believed he would have obtained the unanimous vote of the
House. He (Sir R. Peel) would be satisfied to incur even
that evil, rather than permit a more flagrant piece of injustice
to be done.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") If, however,
the Hon. and Learned Member for Tipperary were con-
tent to let the matter stand as it did, he would rejoice at
it. That Hon. Member had stated that he was innocent
of the original charge; that he believed, and gave him full
credit for his statement. If be were satisfied to follow the
inquiry no farther, it was right it should terminate so;
but if he called for an investigation he (Sir R. Peel) would
join in that resolution.—(Hear.) The Hon. and Learned
Member stood in a case of extreme embarrassment. The
original charge was that a Member of the House of Commons
had advised the passing of the Coercion Bill to some
of his Majesty's Ministers. Such a charge, perhaps,
did not come under the jurisdiction of the
House; but if it did, it widely differed from
the mere casual conversation afterwards reported as the
ground for the first charge.—( Hear.) if he had been guilty
of such conduct, it would not be brought to justify his
expulsion ; but it was quite enough to bring on him the
condemnation of all society. The Hon. Member for Hull
said he did not mention the word Irish Member, but
he should remember, that the Member whom he alluded
to had stated that he could not live in Ireland.—(Hear,
hear.) The Noble Lerd preferred another charge, and
went from one to the other. The second charge was
one which did not contain any specific gravity in it- elf, but
it should be remembered the height from which it had fallen,
and that the man upon whom it had fallen had been already
under another. Thus the second charge gave force to the first.
If the Hon. and Learned Member for Tipperary insisted
upon investigation, he (Sir Robert Peel) did not
know that there was any other alternative than to
grant it. The first charge was made against
an Irish Member; the second against Mr. Sheil.
They had interfered, and were about to investigate, but
there was no authority named for the charge, nor the
accuser ; both were withheld. It was therefore impossible
to refuse the Hon. and Learned Member's demand.

Mr. O'CONNELL replied he was glad to find the
Right. Hon. Gentleman did not oppose the Committee.

Sir R. INGLIS made some oi);ervAtions which were
inaudible, from the low tone in which the Hon. Gentleman
spoke, and the noise prevatling in the House at the time.
We understood him to contend against the authority of the
House to appoint such a Committee, and if the Noble Lord
refused to name his informer in the House, would any
person say that he would noise him before the Committee?
Tile cries of " Question" became here very general.
The SPEAKER put the previous question that the order
of the day be now read, and declared that the Noes had it.
A di, ision was called for, when there appeared_
For the previous question
For the appointment of the Committee
Majority
The Committee was toen appointed, consisting of the
following Honourable Members :
Somerset, Lord G. Hawkins, J. H. Warburton, H.
Iluniett, Sir F. Shaw, F. Grote, CI.
Knatchbull, Sir E. Hume, Joseph Parrott, J.
Moberly, W. L. lynte, Kemys, jun. Peel, Sir R.
Hardinge, Sir H. Gillon, W. D. Abercromby, Right
lsomilly, Mr. .'ancourt, C. N. J. Hon. J.
Verner, W. Lefevre, C. S. 3trutt, E.
POST OFFICE.

Oa the motion of Mr. Roust WALLACE, the

Member for Greenock, the following returns wer
oreered

" Of all and every instruction, by-law, or authority, under
which Post-Masters are instructed, or authorised, or have as-
sumed a right to open up, unfold, apply strong lamp-lights to,
or use any of them, or any other means whatever, for ascer-
taining, or reading what may be contained in words, or in
figures, in any letter, of any size or description, being fastened
with a wafer or with wax, or even if totally unfastened by
either."

" Of all informations received or lodged at any Post-office,
or with the solicitor of any Post-office, against persons or
parties in England, Ireland, or Scotland, for illegally convey.
ing letters, within the year beginning sth July 1832, and end-
ing sth July 1833. Also the dates and places of such infor-
mations, distinguishing each kingdom. Also all prosecutions
instituted or threatened in consequence of such informations,
with the names of the parties prosecuted or threatened, and the
names of the parties who so prosecuted or threatened. Also
the names of persons of whom letters had been demanded by
the solicitors for Post-offices, in any of the three kingdoms,
under the allegation of their having been illegally conveyed,
and by whose authority said letters were demanded. Also the
amount paid for any such information, and the expense in-
curred in prosecutions, actual or threatened. Also what part
of the expenses so incurred was received by any solicitor of
any Post-offices in any of the three kingdoms, for his own
behoof, with the name of any such solicitor. Also what
part of such sums was charged against the public. Also
on what ground, and on whose authority, all and each
of such informations were taken up and proceeded with.
Also, all fines or penalties (if any) exacted or received,
in order to quash such prosecutions, and by whom received, and
by whom paid, and how they were disposed of."
" In detail, of the present establishment of the Post-office
in London, Dublin, and Edinburgh, stating the name of every
person employed in those offices (exclusive of letter carriers,
sorters, and other inferior officers), stating the date of his entry
into the service, the office or offices he now holds, and the sa-
lary, allowances, perquisites, fees, or emoluments of every kind
and description, received by him in 1832, distinguishing the
amount of each item, and the source from which it was de.
rived, so as to exhibit the whole in detail."

The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned.

LIST OF TH.
AGAINST THE COlll/

Bethell, IL—East Yorkshire
Benett, J.—South Wiltshire
Blackburne, —Huddersfield
Blackstone, W. S.—Wallingford
Buxton, T. F.—Weymouth
Cavendish, Lord—North Der.

byshire
Curteis, E. B.—Rye

Curteis, H.—East 'Sussex

Crawtiird, V.—London
Divett, Edward—Exeter
Dundas' Capt.—Greenwich
Evans, Wm. De Lacy—West.

?, MINORITY
[MEE OF ENQUIRY.
North,,F.—Hastings
Ord, W. H.—Newport, Isle of
Wight
Peters, W.—Bodmin
Phillpotts, J.—Gloucester
Pryme, George—( ambridge
Ryle, J.—Macclesfield
Richards, J. —Knarcsborough
Rider, Thomas—West Kent
Rolfe, R. M.—Penrhyn
Romilly, E.—Ludlow
Rotch, B.—Knaresborough
Russell, W. C.—East Worces.

mins er
Evans, Wm.—Leicester
Foley, J. H. H.—Droitwich
Fort, 1-7Clitheroe
_ _

shire
Sanford, E. A.—West Somer-

setshiie
Scrope, P. Stroud
Shawe, R. N.—East Suffolk
Sinclair, —Caithness-shire
Stanley, E.—West Cumberland
Strickland, G.—West Yorkshire
Strutt, E.—Derby
Tooke, W.—Truro
Tollemache, A. G.
Tullamore, Lord—Penryn
Walker, R..—Bury, Lancashire
Watson, R.—Canterbury
Wilbraham,G.—South Cheshire
Willoughby, Sir H. P.—New-
castle

Goring, H. D.—New Shoreham
Guest, J. J.—Merthyr Tydvil
Hawkins, J. H.—Newport, Isle
of Wight
Irton, John—Cumberland
Inglis, Sir R. IL—Oxford Uni-
versity
Leete, B. L.
Lloyd, John—Stockport
Lush ington, Dr.—Tower Haml.
Marshall, J.—Leeds _ _

Marsland, Thomas—Stockport
Morrison, J.—lpswich
Mildmay, P. St. J.— Winchester
Mosley, Sir o.—North Stafford.
shire

TELLERS.
Burdett, Sir F.—Westminster
Buller, C.—Liskeard

The Select Committee for classing the peti-
tions, and deciding which are worthy of being printed,
has been reappointed by the House of Commons.

GRAND NEW STREET.—The long-wanted
improvement—a straight street from Moorgate to Loth-
bury, in lieu of Coleman-street and the dangerous wind-
ings at each end, is at length to be carried into effect, by
virtue of a resolution of the Court of C immon Council.
This was absolutely necessary to complete properly the
new line of street from London-bridge past the Monsion-
house and the B ink, although, up to a very late period,
the idea of effecting it appeared to be abandoned, and the
intention cherished of merely widening the passages from
Colennan•street into Lothbury. The notion of improving
the city, by puling down the master-pieces of Sir Chris-
topher Wren, and some score or two of other churches, to
make room fur shops and warehouses, is, for the present
at least, quite given up, partly in consequence of the
threatened opposition of the Archbishop of Canterbury
and the ashop of London.—Mechanics' Magazine.
THE THAMES STEAM TOWING COMPANY.
—This Company's steam ship, Industry, towed no
fewer than four vessels down the river yesterfl.y after-
noon at one trip, viz., Douro, Brown, for the Brazils ;
London smack for Dundee; the St. Rollox schooner,
for Glasgow; and the Union smack for Banff.

DEATH OF DUMAS, THE FRENCH
TEACHER.-The unfortunate man, Severin Dumas, who
a short time since caused a great sensation in consequence
of his conduct at the hoarding-school of Mr. Watts, at
Barnes, Surrey, whereby a young lady met an untimely
end by taking a large quantity of eau de Cologne, and
who himself subsequently twice attempted self-destruction,
has, at length, terminated his existence. Since his dis-
charge from St. Georg,'s Hospital he has been observed
to be in a dreadful state of despondency. He had taken
up his lodging at an inn called the Duke's Head, Putney,
where he had engaged a room for a week. On Thursday
morning last, the landlord finding that he did not come
down at the usual hour, burst open the room door and
found him dead in his bed. There were no peculiar
appearances about the body, but it was supposed that be
had taken poison. An Inquest was held on the following
day at the Duke's Head, before Richard Carttar, Esq.,
and a verdict of Temporary Insanity was returned.
DOCTORS DIFFER.—Dr. Saunders stated
that he considered it no disgrace to be call, el a practical
heathen. The word ethic, which was used as descriptive
of mor philosophy, be said meant heathenism. Dr.
Macauley begged to correct his Learned Brother—it was
not ethics, but ethnic, which had that meaning.—(Loud
laughter.) Dr. Saunders said that ethics was a Greek
word, and the Greeks were heathens; that was what he
meant to say.—(Roars of laughter.) Such is the etymo-
logical knowledge of an Edinburgh Councillor in the 19th
century.—Edinburgh Evening Post.

Hans Kutzlus once pawned a watch. Luck-
less was the man who took it in ! By day and night was
the chronometer of Hans a source of exquisite annoyance
to the money lender. Hans entertained a notion, which,
in a theoretical view, was by no means extravagant ; hut,
practically applied, demanded of the patient all the virtue
of the man of Uz. Hans reasoned thus :—" Mr.
having my watch, surely I have a right at any time to
call and ask the hour." And this right he never lost an
opportunity of enforcing. Thus—for the shop lay a few
doors from his home—at morning and at night he would
call, with his one question, " Vhat's o'clock ?" He
would knock, ring the bell, thump the shutters—and
when, at length, the night-capped pawnbroker threw up
the window, and thrust forth his head—there, like the
night raven, was Hans. Pop was the question—" Vh it's
o'clock ?" At times, by some subtle invention, he would
inflict the query as the string of a narrative, as thus—
" Mr. —, mein vife is just got a litteel poy ; and as I
put down in the Pible ven de children are porn, vill you
tell me " vhat's o'clock ?" Mercury—for surely he is
Han's tutelar deity—alone knows how long this war
would have been inflicted on the pawnbroker, had not a
most fortunate occurrence put an end to the evil. His
shop was one night burnt to the ground, and with it was
irretrievably lost the " family watch" of Hans Kutzlus;
so there was an end at once of Han's importunities and of
the pawnbroker's means of annoyance.
The costumes of the inhabitants of the
mountains of Lebanon are very curious, and of great
variety of colours; those of the higher order are particu-
larly rich and splendid. That portion of their dress,
however, which most attracts the notice of the traveller, is
the silver and gold tantoura. This is a hollow tube, worn
generally by the females ; those worn by the princesses
are embossed and studded with diamonds and other pre-
cious stones ; it is fastened on the forehead, and projects
about sixteen inches. Over this is flung a white muslin
or crape veil, which falls rather gracefully down the
back. The women appear to be remarkably shy. If per-
chance you happen to be passing a fountain, whither they
resort with their pitchers or jars for water, they imme-
diately conceal from view their faces, drawing the large
loose white veil, which covers the tantoura, closely over
their be-td, leaving sometimes only visible a sparkling black
Eye. When an opportunity presents itself, they have no
dislike to this being seen by a European. They fre-
quently stop while you pass them, with their back turned
towards you, their faces directed to the bank or hedge.
These tantouras are principally worn by married women,
but some unioarried females of the lower classes also wear
them ; these litter are sometimes made of wood or thick
pasteboard. It undoubtedly at first sight has a very ex-
traordinary appearance; but still a more curious effect is
Produced by the side tantoura, or trumpet, for I know net
exactly what to call it. This is worn in other neighbour-
ing districts. It is tied on close to the temple, a little
above the ear, and is of a very different shape, being much
larger at the projecting end: they am generally of silver,
or silver gilt, with ornamental engravings, and are, like
the others, hollow ; for if solid they would be insup-
portable."

HAMBURG PAPERS.

STOCKHOLM, JAN. SI.

SPEECH OV HIS MAJE THE KING ON THE

OPENING OF THE DIET.

(R-ad by His Royal Highness the Crown Prince.)
" Noble, Well-born, &c.,—Since your last meeting
violent political convulsions have shaken Europe. Provi-
dence maintained the tranquillity of the united kingdom
under ,the protection of the laws, which secure public
order and the rights of all.

The prudence of the Government has hitherto pre-
vented reverel explosions that were apprehended, and
hence our blood has been spared. Let us hope that unin-
terrupted peace will unite more and more closely the in-
terests of nations ; it affords too extensive a field for the
activity of all to be lightly risked, and the right of
humanity demands a conciliation of views, a union of
interests.
" Some provinces, especially the northern, have suffered
by a failure of the harvest ; the public beneficence has re-
warded the efforts of the Government, and contributed to
rneattrurerdey, the
however,voesrt,
renewed, and the necessity
of some measures of precaution will certainly draw your
attention, as it constant:), has done.
"The cholera morbus has threatened this kingdom, but
has been arrested by the gracious protection of the Al.
pmruesssting not w
bea ntsDistresses of this urgent
nt reiousness of this
respecting the contagiousness or non.co
disorder,mglaty. I
hWavheatovnesriddeirffe,eiretnheceds may prevail
mand and to carry into effect the necessary precautionary
measures.
" The statement which will be laid before the Diet, of
what has been done in the administration of the kingdom,
will acquaint you with the principles that h the guided the
ouolaftoapshrluiot:cient to com.
course of the Government. The secret committee which I
intend to call toeether will have an opportunity to inform
itself respecting the application of these principles in the
vicissitudes through which we have passed.
" Every proposed improvement in our social order
most, in order to be truly useful, be subjected to mature
deliberation, amid he founded on the lessons of experience ;
the fundamental laws prescribe the forms that are to
be observed; those must serve as a guide to the two
legislative powers of the state. These fundats ental prin-
ciples themselves remind us that Sweden is bound in the
Estates of the kingdom to the maintenance of its existence
and the preservation of its name. The Swedes have their
national peculiarities and customs, but it would be unjust to
consider them aseindifferent to other nations, even though
they did not adopt all their doctrines. The Swe•les hive
already gained a degree of general cultivation in which
few nations can pretend to excel them. The advantages
of this civilization are diffused among all classes of society.
Swedish liberty is as old as the monarchy. Our glorious
recollect ons go back into the night of antiquity ; but this
glory, the support of freedom, cannot lie maintained with-
out independence. This again is intimately connected with
the use of the power which makes independence respected.
The experience of all ages shows that nation• most used
to war are wearied by war; but states which have been
founded by arms cannot subsist unless the inhabitants,
remembering their origin, are always ready again to take
up arms. Our army, which is drawn from the people,
and will have five kinds of arms, consists of 100,000 mene
and can inspire only confidence, for it lives amidst its
fellow.eitizens, who rely as well on the sentiments of the
army as on its sense of its own interest.
" Every proposal respecting the situation and the
wants of the Government will now be laid before you.
The extraordinary esiimates are separated from the ordi-
nary expenditure. I have endeavoured to confine all of
them within the bounds of
.the existing resources. Con.
ender conscientiously the want of these estimates, which
are so necessary for the safety anal the existence of the
kingdom. In the repose of peace a Government must,
without reserve, place the extent of several wants before
the eyes of the representatives of the people. This will
be rendered more easy to you, Gentlemen, by the happy
situation of the provinces. The first duty of the Govern.
tuenta and of the representatives is to secure to every
citiz-n the peaceable enjoyment of his rights and the
unmolested use of his property. Nothing can prosper
when the representative coin his not a fixed value.
Let us, therefore, has en to give those who possess anything
security for the preservation of wh-it they have acquired.
Let us open new prospects to diligence, activity, and fru-
gsli,y. Let us prepare encouragement and support to all
allowed professions. Let us acknowledge the truth, that
a good system of finance is one of the main found talons of
the existence of the state. Let us improve and encourage
a.triculture and manufactures. Thus we shall obtain, in
exchange for our own productions, those which are pro-
duced b-yond sea. Private and public interest must here
be blended together. Necessity commands that political
views and the system of finance should tend to one sub-
j.-et. The law of the Ist of March, 1830, regulating the
coinage, is our guide; it determines our reciprocal obliga-
tions. Projects of laws on the Bank and its directors will
he raid before you : let us not forget that the Bank be-
longs to the state, that the people ire entitled to have the
full extent of the right granted to the managers of a capi-
tal of a loan of the value of the circulating medium ; and,
lastly, that the laws and regulations for the Bank must
be clear, simple, easy of execution, and therefore in

" Never do we perform our duties to ourselves better
than when we remember that our posterity will reap
the fruits of our effirts. The terrestrial goal of the
individual man is death, but nations await a prolonged
life ; therefore, when man labours for himself, he labours
more for the society to which he belongs.
" When, almost a quarter of a century ago, 1 took the
oath to your fundamental laws, I observed to the estates
of the kingdom that it was not the extent of a state alone
that constitutes its strength and independence, but also its
I,ws, its commerce, its industry, and above all its na-
tional spirit. I now repeat to you these truths.
"The agreement between your views and mine has pre-
pared for the country the tranquillity and undisturbed
order t ,e fruits of which it has reaped for more than 22
years. Independence, 'Peace, friendly connex ons with
foreign countries, tranquillity, and obedience to the laws
at home,—such is the posture that the United Kingdom of
Sweden and Norway now offers to Europe.
"I invoke upon our labours the blessing of tte
Al-
mighty, and assure you all together, and each in particular,
of the continuance of my royal favour and affection."
BREMEN, FEB. 3.—Official notice has been published
today by the Board of Finance, that all loans of the state
of Bremen, whatever be their nature, origin, or age, with
tr,e exception of th, three tontines and of the special
loans contracted at 3i per cent., will be immediately paid
off, unless the holders of the bonds consent to have the
interest reduced from 4 to Si per cent.
BERLIN, FEB. 4.—We were much diverted by a sin-
gular hoax in some journals, which announce with much
satisfaction that Councillor Semler had been sent to St.
Petersburgh to negotiate a commercial treaty with Russia,
in which he had succeeded in the most advantageous man-
ner, but that, just as it was to be signed, Russia bad
retracted. The fact is partly true. M. Semler went to
St. Petersburgh on such a mission 14 years ago, but had
not been there since. In this manner the Berlin corre-
spondents of the Journals can send them plenty of news.

EXCHANGES ON LONDON.
HAMBURG, FEB 7.-13 S% ; two months, 137 x.
STOCKHOLM. JAN. 30.—Two months, 152 41.
CHRISTIANIA, JAN. 25.—Three months,: 570.
BERLIN, FEB. 4.—Three months, 6 2414.
BREMEN, FEB. 4.—Two months, 604 605.
.....Hamourg Papers. Feb. 7.
HAAS BURG, Fen. 7.--BORSEN HALLE, HALF-PAST
Two o'cLocac.—The supply of wheat this week has been
large; but the transactions limited, and the few purchase,
ma le were chiefly on speculation ; our consumers held
back, the greater part being still tolerably well supplied,
The demand fur rye continues. Peas appear to be im-
proving.
Rix-dollars .
Wheat, Anhalt, white
-- red B6 to 94
----- Marks BB to 95
--- Mecklenburg
-- Holstein
Lower Elbe 6B to 76
Rye, Upland 6B to 75
-- Mecklenburgli to
Holstein
Barley, Anhalt 6O to 62
Mecklenburgh 55 to 58
--- Lower Elbe 36 to 39
Oats, Mecklenburg
315 to 34
-- Lower Elbe
Pease, Upland, yellow 2., to 26
Beans
45 to 56
Rapeseed 152 to BR
FUNDS.—Since Tuesday business to some ex'ent has
been (lone. This day the stock-market was firm ; Anglo-
Danish, Anglo-Russian, Austrian, and Spanish Cortes are
in favour. Cortes bonds were done yesterday at 28k; to-
day they must be quoted at 27k. In Portugal and Greek
stuck some transaction% have taken place du, ivet k.
Discount 2 per Cent. End of February
Anglo-Danish Loan, three per cent 7O
Anglo-Russian 99
Russian inscription, 5 per cent., 182) 92yy
Ditto, ditto, 1831 91%
Ditto, ditto, 1832
Certificates 92%
Polish Bonds 126%
Prussian Bonds, 1832
Austrian Bank Shares 1232
Ditto Metalliques 96
Ditto 4 per Cent.--
Spanish 3 per Cents.
Ditto 4 per Cent 43%
Dutch '42 per Cents. , 48%
Ditto 5 per Cents 92),Z
I... Hamburg Reporter.