The Sun.
London, England, 1834-05-28 00:00:00

PRINCE LIEVEN.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY gave notice
that it was his intention on Monday, if convenient to
the noble earl (Grey) to ask questions, or make in-
quiries,or move for papers, relative to our want of any
Ambassador at the Court of St. Petersburgh.
Lord Heytesbury, he believed, was recalled in
August, 1832, and Sir Stratford Canning was
appointed in the October of the same year, but
had never gone out, and since that time we had
been without an ambassador of any sort in that great
country. He would take the opportunity of being on
his legs to state his regret at the recall of an in-
dividual (Prince Lieven) who had 'served the
important office of ambassador in this country for
25 years, and that with great celebrity. He regretted
that recall, because he believed that no other person
belonging to the same country was so well acquainted
with those interests best for both. He did not wonder
that his Imperial Majesty recalled that individual, but
what he wished to know was, why this country had re-
mained for so long a period without having an am-
bassador of the same rank in that country ? He
would not then say more, because on Monday he
would have an opportunity of bringing the whole
question before the how.,
Earl GREY said that any day would be equally
convenient to him. Monday would suit him as well
as any other, and he would take care to be prepared.
He considered that he would be deficient in his duty
if he did not entirely concur in the regret expressed
by the noble marqui. ft to the recall of the cele-
brated individual to wuom he had alluded. ( Hear.)
He believed that that recall was because that illus-
trious individual had been appointed to an office of
very high distinction in his own country, but
he, as well as the noble marquis, must bear his testi-
mony to the character and good intentions of that
individual. (Cheers.) In the course of his transac-

tions in business with that illustrious individual he had
had opportunities of knowing how much advantage at-
tended his presence here. Sure he was that his con-
tinuance would have promoted the satisfactory settle-
ment of those questions of, he might say, tremendous
importance which yet remained to be arranged.
SIR JOHN CAMPBELL.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said that
in the absence of his noble friend the Duke of
Buckingham he had to present a petition from
the parish of Illesden, praying that the universities
might not be forced to receive persons of any religion
but that of the establishment. The noble marquis
presented several petitions to the same effect, and then
said, that while he was on his legs he would take the
opportunity of stating that he felt great pleasure in
saying, that since the last discussion upon the de-
tention of Sir John Campbell in Portugal, the Go-
rernment had written a letter to the Government of
Lisbon, he meant of Don Pedro, demanding his re-
lease, though they had not said one word upon the
matter for the three months and a half previous.
-Such an application having been made, he would
not now say more than that he trusted when the
Government got an answer to the application,
it would be communicated to the house by the noble
earl in the same spirit as the other papers had been
done, and that he trusted such an answer would
be received before the termination of the session.
He was sure that when their lordships looked at the
papers they would think with him that it was nothing
but a spirit of persecution, under which Sir John
Campbell had been detained so long.
Earl GREY said that if the noble marquis had
any thing to bring forward about Sir John Camp-
bell, he should be perfectly ready to meet him ; but if
he only dealt in the assertions he had done, those as-
sertions being without proof, he should give them no
attention.
The Duke of GLOUCESTER presented several
petitions from different parts of Essex, in favour of
the claims of the dissenters, and praying for redress.
LONDON AND WESTMINSTER BANK.
Earl GREY presented a petition from (as we un-
derstood) the Directors of the Bank of England,
against the bill for the establishment of another bank
in the metropolis. The noble earl stated that he had
heard with surprise that such a bill had passed the
other house, and as at present advised he should give
his utmost opposition to it. He cordially supported
that part of the prayer of the petition which prayed
that the petitioners might be heard by counsel at the
bar of the house against the bill, which he thought
interfered with the privileges of the Bank of England.
He thought Monday next too short a notice for the se-
cond reading of a bill of so much importance, and he
hoped the noble marquis who had introduced it to that
house would not think Monday se'nnight too long a
postponement.
The Marquis of BUTE did not think a week's to-
tice could be fairlycalled a short notice. At the same
time he felt bound to postpone the second reading, as
requested by the noble earl.
The LORD CHANCELLORthought they ought.
well to consider as to the admission of counsel to argue
at the bar whilst the Warwick bill was pending. Their
lordships might perceive that it was not so easy to
get rid of counsel when once they were allowed to
appear at the bar. It would interrupt all other busi-
ness if they were to have two bills going on at the
same time with counsel heard at the bar.
The Marquis of BUTE denied that the bill he had
introduced encroached upon the privileges of the Bank
of England.
The Earl of MALMESBURY inquired whether
any proceedings had been taken for the suppression of
the fraudulent trade supposed to be carried on between
the islands of Guernsey and Jersey, to which he had
already called attention.
Lord AUCKLAND said that inquiries had been
made and some steps taken upon the subject, but he was
not yet prepared to state the result.
CORN LAWS.

Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition for the total
repeal of the malt tax, and for some alteration in the
poor laws.
EarL FIT ZWIL LIAM expressed his entire con-
currence in the prayer of the petition. The greatest
benefit would accrue to agriculture by the removal of
that duty. He would also take the liberty of calling
Ise attention of the house to the complaints of other
parties as to other laws. He had a petition to present
from nearly 18,000 inhabitants of Edinburgh, praying
for the repeal of the corn laws. This petition was well
worthy the attention of the house, as containing those
maxims and principles of true commerce by following
out which they would alone be able to arrive at a state
of permanent commercial and national prosperity. It
was possible that the corn laws might put something
into the pockets of the existing landlords, but what
would it do for their sons and their grandsons? He
was sure that none of their lordships would desire to
do that which would be an injury to their successors
for the benefit of themselves. It might be asked of
him whether he meant to follow up the petition with
p.ny substantial proposition during the present session,
in iLliswer to that he would say that, after seeing 150
gentlemen in the House of Commons voting in favour
pf the principles he advocated, he was satisfied that
the question was making great progress, and to leave
It as it stood for the present year.
The Earl of MALMESBURY complained of this
desultory mode of attack on the corn laws. He de-
nied the assertion of his noble friend that the corn
laws were a landlord's tax, or that the farmer and la-
bourer, were not equally interested in their
maintenance. But if any one class was more so than
another it was-the class of yeomen occupying small
tracts of land, who must be totally ruined by the loss
of the protection now afforded them.
Earl FITZWILLIAM explained, and made some
further observations in support of his views.
The Earl of WINCHIL SE A agreed in deprecat-
ing the course taken by the noble earl who presented
the petition as most unfair and inconvenient.
The petition fils,then laid on the table.
Earl Fl TzYnutafA M Alit sent ed a second petition
signed byrkom`2o,oo-01f5A0,. inhabitants of Lon-
don against the corn lAys. z -'• ,
Lords ROLLE presented petiti ns from Newport
and a amber of other plaCes, nst (as we under-
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stood) granting the concessions demanded by the dis-
senters.

Lord BEXLEY presented several petitions to the
same effect.

The Duke of WELLINGTON presented a num-
ber of petitions from Sussex and other parts of the
country against the claims of the dissenters, especially
their admission to the Universities, and praying that
the established church might be protected.
Viscount STRANG F ORD gave notice that he
should on Tuesday next submit to their lordships a
motion relative to the silk trade.

The Bishop of LICHFIELD presented petitions
frer- t'le clergy and other Protestant inhabitants of
s,:,eral parishes within his diocese against the admis-
sion of Dissenters to the Universities, and praying that
the established church might be properly maintained.
The Earl of DURHAM presented a petition from
the eastern division of the county of Kent, praying
that a two shilling rent might be substituted for tithes.
ROMAN CATHOLIC MARRIAGES (SCOT-
LAND) BILL.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, seeing a noble
friend of his in his place, wished to ask him whether
he would postpone the second reading of the Roman
Catholic Marriages ( Scotland) Bill for a few days ?
That bill had been introduced into the other house of
Parliament by his (the Lord Chancellor's) right hon.
and learned friend (Mr. Murray) the present Lord
Advocate, and before he concurred in the alterations
proposed to be made in it he wished to have an op-
portunity of consulting his right hon. and learned
fri ad upon them. The object of the bill was to do
away with obsolete penalties ; and as the measure
could not be prejudiced by the delay, he hoped his
noble friend would accede to his request.
The Earl of ROSEBERRY expressed his readiness
to comply with his noble and learned friend's desire,
but he, at the same time, submitted that if the second
reading were allowed to take place now they might
postpone the committee to any period that would suit
the convenience of his noble and learned friend.
The LORD CHANCELLOR thought that very
little advantage would be gained by the course which
his noble friend wished to take. By Friday he (the
Lord Chancellor) would have the information he
wanted, and he had no objection to the bill being read
a second time on that day.
The Earl of RO SEBERRY assented. to this course,
and the order of the day was withdrawn and fixed for
Friday.
The Marquis of L ANSDOWNE had several peti-
tions to present to their lordships from places in the
county of Wilts, praying that the rights and privileges
of the Established Church of England might be pre-
served inviolate. These petitions were all respectfully
and properly worded, and he was bound to say that in
the language of those petitioners he wholly and en-
tirely concurred. (Hear, hear.) If he had a fixed
opinion upon any subject it was upon this, and the
opinion that he entertained was that the rights and
privileges of the established church should be carefully
preserved : that in every situation, and, in short, in
every measure brought before Parliament, the safety
of that church should form an indispensable ingredient.
( Hear, hear, hear.) He was most anxious that all
due attention should be paid to the claims of the dis-
senters, but he must at the same time declare that he
did not consider the sentiments expressed by these
petitioners at all inconsistent with that species of
relief to which the dissenters were unquestionably
entitled. (Hear.) He did not believe that the church
establishment was in danger, but he could not help
admitting that the sentiments expressed in many of the
dissenters' petitions which had been presented, not
only by himself but by other noble lords, in a great
degree justified the alarm that obtained out of doors
upon the subject. He might differ from the petitioners
as to the best mode of accomplishing the object which
they had in .view, but however they might disagree in
this point, of one thing he was certain, and that was
that he never should concur in any measure which he
believed to be calculated to endanger or even impair
the efficiency of the church establishment. (Hear,
hear.) The petitions were ordered to lie upon the
table. The noble marquis also presented two other
petitions, one from the dissenters of a place in the
county of Durham, praying for a redress of grievances,
and the other from a parish in Scotland in favour of
an alteration of church patronage.
The Earl of WINCHIL SE A presented petitions
from the parishes of St. Paul and St. Michael, near
Bristol, and from a number of parishes in the county of
Gloucester, against the claims of dissenters, and in fa-
vour of protection to the Church.
A NOBLE LORD (whose name could not be ascer-
tained) presented a petition from Perth, praying for
an alteration of the Bankruptcy Laws of Scotland.