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FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST 83 1851.

SALE OF INTERESTING AUTOGRAPHS.—On:Wedne:-
day the sale of an interesting collection of autograph letters
took place at the rooms of Messrs. Sotheby and Wilkinson,Wel-
lington-street, Strand. They consisted of the correspondence
of David Garrick and other distinguished actors, actresses,
and dramatic authors; the secret correspondence of Charles
I. with Captain Titus, &c., planning his escape from Caris-
brook Castle, &c. Six lots of the correspondence of David
Garrick produced 71. 55.; a draught for 601., drawn by Oliver
Goldsmith in favour of D. Garrick, with a promissory note of
R. B. Sheridan for 1001. to Garrick, 31. 16s. ; five letters
from Addison to Ambrose Phillips, 51. 195.; four letters from
Sir R. Steel to Phillips, 21. 123.; letters, documents, and
papers relating to the Byron family, 211. The unpublished
correspondence of King Charles I. and Captain Titus, &c.,
during the imprisonment of the monarch in Carisbrook
Castle, and also some autograph letters from King Charles
IL to Captain Titus, &c., several letters from Henrietta
Maria, Queen of Charles 1., several from Charles 11. and
Catherine his Queen, together with a bead purse which be-
longed to Charles 1., and an elegantly formed chalice carved
out of boxwood, with numerous cups therein, cut out of the
solid wood, and forming one lot, produced 1321. 4s.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, August 7.
Their Lordships assembled at Five o'clock.
ROYAL COMMISSION.

The Royal Assent was then given by Commission to
the undermentioned Bills:

Medical Charities (Ireland).
Grand Jury Cess (Ireland).

Representa-tive Peers for Scotland.

Gunpowder Stores (Liverpool) Exemption Repeal.
Churches and Chapels (Ireland).
Ecclesiastical Residences, (Ireland).
Ecclesiastical Property Valuation (Ireland).
Inverness Bridge (No. 2.)

sheep and Conisgious Disorders Prevention.

Customs.

Commissioners of Railways Act Repeal.
Steam Navigation.

Canada and—New Brunswick Boundary.
Metropolitan Sewers.

Church Buildings Act Amendment.

General Board of Health (No. 2).
New Forest Deer Removal.

Court of Chancery and Judicial Committee.

Duchy of Lancaster (High-peak) Mining, Customs, and
Minerals Courts.
Attorney and Solicitors' Regulation Act Amendment.
Constabulary Force (Ireland).
Metropolitan Interment.

Emigr-ation Advances (Distressed Districts Scotland).
New Zealand Settlements.

Coalwhippers (Port of London.)
Mercantile Marine Act Amendment.

Battersea park Amendment and Extension.

Crowu Estates Paving.
United Church of England and Ireland.

Lunatics (India).
Appointment to Offices, &c.

Collection of Fines (Ireland).
Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland).

Petty Sessions (Ireland).
Land Clauses Consolidation (Ireland).

Law of Evidence Amendment.

Administration of Criminal Justice Improvement.

General Board of Health (No. 2 A). -
Shrewsbury and Chester Railway.
St. Helen's Improvement (No. 2).
Sheffield and Glossop Road (No. 2).
Caledonian Railway (Glasgow, Garnkirk, and Coat-
bridge, Polloc and Govan, &c., Railways) (Amend-
ment and Confirmation, &c.)
King's College Hospital (No. 2).
National Land Company Dissolving.
Hove Improvement.
Waterford and Kilkenny Railway.
European and American Printing Telegraph Company,
&o.
United Kingdom Electric Telegraph Company.
South Holland Drainage Acts Amendment.
Lincolnshire Estuary.

Charing-cross Bridge.
Farmers' Estate Society (Ireland).
Saint Andrew's and Quebec Railway.

Brown's Estate.

Duke of Bedford's Estate.

Dean and Chapter of Westminster's Estate.
Duke of Bridgewater's Estate.

Dorward's Estate.
Barton's Estate.

Christ Church (Oxford) Estate.
Stapylton's Estate.
Felstead (Lord Riche's) Charities.

Lord Bateman's Estate:

Brentwood Free Grammar School and Almshouses

Charity Estate.
Tayleur's Divorce.
Webster's Divorce.

The Lords Commissioners were theLonn CHANCELLOR,
the Earl of CARLISLE, and Lord BROUGHTON.
VENTILATION OF THE HOUSE.

The Earl of ST. GERMANS then rose, pursuant to
his notice, to call the attention of the House to this sub-
ject. Every one of their Lordships who bad attended
Parliament during the present session must, of neces-
sity, have perceived how imperfect was the ventilation
of the buiiding in which they were then assembled.
Their Lordships must have been annoyed at one time by
the foul air, and at another by the frequent and alternate
currents of hot and cold air employed to remove that foul
air. A
mere statement of the evil was sufficient to con-
vince their Lordships of the necessity of getting rid of
such a nuisance. At an earlier period of the session he
should have moved that a Select Committee be appointed
to remedy this state of things; but, at this eleventh
hour, he would only call attention to it, with a view of
strengthening the hands of the Government and of de-
volving upon them the duty of providing a remedy. He
had applied to the Board of Woods and Forests on this
subject; but that Board said, " We have nothing to do
with it." He had applied to the Now Palace Commis-
sioners, and they echoed the phrase, " We have nothing
to do with it." It rested then, he believed, with
their Lordships themselves. But their Lordships
might, perhaps, say, " What are we to du?
We have no funds." lie was sure that the House of
Commons would not grudge them funds to remove
such an abominable state of things. The Treasury
might safely make the necessary advances; no objection
to make them good would ever be offered by the House
of Commons. He recommended ber Majesty's Govern-
ment to appoint some scientific persons to examine into
the subject during the recess, and to report to then
forthwith. His Noble Friend (the Earl of Harrowby)
had just suggested to him that the ventilation of their
committee-rooms were equally defective and bad. Mr.
Goldsworthy Gurney had applied his steam-jet very
successfully to mines and to the courts of law. The
temperature was now equally preserved in both, and
everything was now satisfactory to the colliers and to
the bar. He thought that at a small expense the
ventilation of the House might be improved by the
same scheme. _ _ _

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the free
circulation of air had hitherto been impeded by certain
buildings which they had been unable to remove until
the completion of the two Houses of Parliament. Mr.
Barry had, he believed, been in communication with
Mr. Goldsworthy Gurney, and he hoped the result
would be that their Lordships would find themselves
next session in a very improved condition with. respect
to ventilation.—(Hear.)

EPISCOPAL AND CAPITULAR ESTATES MA.

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NAGEMENT (No. 2) BILL.
The Commons' amendments of this Bill were consi.
dered and agreed to.
PATENT LAW AMENDMENT BILL.

The Earl of MINTO, in moving that the Commons'
amendments of this Bill be agreed to, admitted that they
were of a nature materially affecting the principle of the
Bill, and such as it was almost too much to ask their
Lordships at this period of the session to assent to. At
the same time, the Bill contained a valuable and im-
portant improvement of the present law, and he thought
it would be advisable, therefore, rather to adopt the
amendments than to lose the Bill altogether.
Lord MONTEAGLE objected to the amendments.
In the first place, they bad not yet been printed,
and their Lordships had no means of knowing the
nature of them. A Committee of their Lordships'
House had eat upon this subject 16 days, and had
examined 80 witnesses from different countries, in-
cluding the Crown officers, the Master of the Rolls, the
Attorney and Solicitor-General; and upon the report
of that Committee the Bill had been framed. That
very day the Bill had been reported and read a third
time in the House of Commons. The House of Com-
mons itself could hardly know what had been done,
while their Lordships must be in total darkness on the
subject. The amendments contained some alterations of
a very material kind. There were questions relating
to the colonies and to the law of user which were ex-
tremely important. The Bill made an alteration in the
very office of the Lord Chancellor himself ; and he be-
lieved that the Noble Lord had not been consulted on
the subject.—[The LORD CHANCELLOR—" I have not." j
Then there was an end to the whole thing. There
were these important alterations, and the Lord Chan-
cellor had not been apprised of them. Inconvenience,
he admitted, might arise from postponing this Bill ;
yet, having passed a measure for the temporary protec-
tion of the persons exhibiting at the Crystal Palace,
that inconvenience would not be so much felt as other-
wise. lie thought that the amendments should not be
agreed to.—(hear, hear.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, though he
believed that the amendments would be found upon
the whole to be expedient, yet ho admitted that they
were of such a nature as to deserve the consideration
of the House, and it might be better, therefore, to
withdraw the motion.
The Earl of MINTO would not press his motion.
Lord MONTEAGLE then moved that the amend-
ments be taken into consideration this day month.
The motion was agreed to.
ST. ALBAN'S COMMISSION BRIBERY BILL.
Lord BEAUMONT moved that the Commons' amend-
ments to this Bill be agreed to.
Lord REDESDALE objected to the amendments, on
the ground that uo notice had been given of the inten-
tion to move them. _ _

Earl GREY thought that their Lordships might safely
adopt the amendments to this Bill. In the case of the
Patent Law Amendment Bill they had all felt that the
amendments ware such as could scarcely be acceded to,
but in this instance the amendments involved no new
principle whatever, and he considered that it would be
desirable to adopt them.
Earl GREY supported the amendments, which were
then agreed to. •
The Earl of KINGSTON moved for all affidavits
made in the Encumbered Estates Court in Dublin in the
matter of the sale of the estates of the Earl of Kingston
in the counties of Cork, Limerick, and Tipperary, with
reference to the value of the said estates and the quali.
flcations of Air. Collins as a land surveyor and valuator,
Win Marquis of LAIi-DOWNE !mid the affilaTits,

required by the Noble Earl were all in print, end readily
available.

Lord MONTE AGLE then presented a petition from
the Earl of Kingston, complaining that his estates in
Ireland, representing an aggregate value of 280 0001.,
had been forced into the Encumbered Estates Court for
sale, on the petition of one single creditor to the amount
of only 2001 ; that having been brought on for sale, the
sate was publicly adjourned, whereupon the Noble
Earl's agent and other persons, who had come to attend
the sale, withdrew; but that, after they had so with-
drawn, and notwithstanding the public adjournment of
the sale, Mr. Commisbioner Longtield, sitting alone, had
proceeded to sell several lots at sums infinitely below
their fair value, to the great detriment of the petitioner
and in contravention of the law.

The motion was then, as we understood, agreed to.
On the motion of the Earl of CARLISLE, the Conso-
lidated Fund Appropriation all was read a third time
and passed.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

-MOUSE OF COMMONS, August 7.

was not less the fact. It Was in the recollection of Hon.
Members that a constitution had been spontaneously
granted to Naples by the King of that country in 1848;
but that constitution had since been violated in the most
shameful manner on every point, and the most summary
mode of dealing with the L-gishture adopted by the
King—namely, that of imprisoning the majority of the
representatives of the people under that constitution
spontaneously granted. These imprisonments, which
comprehended an immense number of the most respect-
able classes, included also a late Prime Minister of
Naples.

Mr. B. COCIIRANE rose to order. Ho wished to
know how far the rules of the Howe warranted the Hon.
and Gallant Member in bringing the whole question of
the foreign policy of tho country as regarded other
countries under notice?

The SPEAKER ruled that the Hon. and Gallant
Officer was in order.—(lfear, hear.)
Sir DE LACY EVANS had no interest in the ques-
tion except that of humanity and justice—(Bear, hear)
—and he regretted that he should have had occasion to
move in the matter. The Hon. and Gallant Member
then put the second question, which was as follows :
From a publication entitled to the highest consideration
it appears that there are at present above 20,000 per-
sons confined in the prisons of Naples, for alleged poli-
tical offences; that these prisoners have, with extremely
few exceptions, been thus immured in violation of the
existing laws of the country, and without the slightest
legal trial or public inquiry into their respective cases ;
that they include a late Prime Minister and a majority
of the late Neapolitan Parliament, as well as a large pro-
portion of the most respectable and intelligent classes of
society; that these prisoners are chained two and two
together ; that these chains are never undone, day or
night, for any purpose whatever, and that they are suf-
fering refinements of barbarity and cruelty unknown in
any other civilised country :—it is consequently asked
if the British Minister at the Court of Naples has bee❑
instructed to employ his good offices in the cause of hu-
manity for the diminution of these lamentable severities,
and with what result ?

Viscount PALMERSTON—With regard to the first
question, I can only say that her Majesty's Government
att rch very great importance to the maintenance of the
independence of the kingdom of Sardinia—(Hear)—and
that they look with much anxiety to the working of the
constitution of that country. But, at the same time, I
am bound to say that nothing had occurred to lead her
Majesty's Government to suspect that this constitution
was in any danger, or that the independence of Sardinia
is threatened with the encroachments of any foreign
power.—(Hear.) The manner in which that constitution
has hitherto worked for the benefit of the people and of
the Sovereign, entitle us to hope that it will continue as
it has been and as it is—a model worthy of the imitation
of all nations—(Hear)—as Sardinia herself affords an
example of good government under its influence, highly
honourable to the Sovereign us well es the people of
that country, and calculated to inspire hopes of its
adoption by other nations.—(Hear, hear.) With regard
to the second question, her Majesty's Government, in
common with all intelligent me❑ in this country, have
learned with infinite pain, from various quarters, a
confirmation of the impressicns produced by the com-
munications of the Right Hon. Member for the Univer-
sity of Oxford, in respect to the unfortunate and cala-
mitous condition of the Neapolitan political prisoners.
—(Hear.) It has not been any part of the duty of the
British Government to make any representations to the
Government of Naples on the subject, seeing that it re-
lates to the internal management of the government of
that country; but at the same time I think it right to
say that Mr. Gladstone has done himself great honour by
the course he has pursued in this matter in the first in-
stance, and which he has followed since—(Hear)—for
when we see an English gentleman of station and position
turn his eyes from the enjoyments which such a city as
Naples affords, and instead of going to see volcanoes or
disinterred cities, visiting the courts of justice, visiting
the prisons, descending the dungeons of these prisons,
and examining personally int > the cases of the unhappy
victims of illegality and injustice there to be found—
(Cheers)—with the view of interesting public opinion in
Europe to remedy these abuses—this, I say, does honour
to any person. And concurring with the view of that Right
Hon. Gentleman that public opinion duly aroused en the
subject might have that effect, I did think it a part of
my duty to send copies of the pamphlets in quetion to
her Majesty's Ministers at the several Courts of Europe,
with instructions to communicate their contents to the
respective Governments to whom they are accredited,
and by that means to create an influence which may be
more effective than any direct interference of ours, in
promoting the object of the Right. Hon. Gentleman the
Member for Oxford, and the Hon. and Gallant Officer
who has put the question.—(Hear.)
Mr. B. COCHRANE rose to address the House
amidst cries of " Order."

The SPEAKER overruled the Hon. Member, and
decided that he could not speak on the subject.
CASE OF ANN HICKS.

Colonel SIBTHORP rose to bring before the House
the case of a helpless female (Ann Hicks), upon
whom not only an act of cruelty had been practised,
but whose reputation had been assailed by a member of
her Majesty's Government, dressed in a little briet
authority. He held in his hand testimonials of
the highest description as to the character of this
poor woman—aspersed by the Noble Lord—who had,
along with several others, been ejected from her means of
livelihood, because of that fraud upon the industrious
tradesman, that curse of the country—the Crystal Pa-
lece.—(Laughter.) He was bound to believe the state-
ment of that poor woman, as she was ready to testify it
on oath; and she asserted that her grandfather had been
the means of rescuing a Sovereign of the country from
immersion in the Serpentine, which was seen by Caro-
liae, the wife of George 11., the Sovereign so rescued.
She asserted further that her grandfather held the spot
in the park from which she had been ejected, fur 60
years, that her father had held it for 40 years, and that
she herself, on the death of her father, was permitted to
reside in the stone house near the Humane Society's
house, but in consequence of that being pulled down in
Lord Lincoln's time, she was allowed to take up a posi-
tion nearer the well, Mr. Harrison, from the office of the
Woods and Forests, providing her with stones and
tiles for the building. This was an admission
of right at all events. She admitted that she had been
told she could not live there; but she was one morning,
at three o'clock, surprised to find her house stripped
and all she had in the world exposed to the weather.
She slept there, however, with her infant child, and no
fault was found with her, either by Lord Lincoln or
Lord Duncannon. She had no intimation that she
should be driven from that humble dwelling until July,
1851; and so this poor woman, of spotless character, who
had been most useful in supplying ladies with a humble
glass of water, was expelled from the place which she
had occupied for nearly seven years. It pleased the First
Commissioner of Woods, in the early part of July, how-
ever, to give her notice to quit that residence and find a
home elsewhere. This was iu his (Colonel Sibthorp'a)
opinion a cruel case, and one which no man in power
should have acted on. This was not, however, all. She
had built a house which cost her all her savings, but she
was told if she applied at the Office of Woods she would
be compensated. This house cost her 130/.; and, would
it be believed that the only compensation they gave
her was 131, wanting 6d. Why the 61. was kept
back he did not know. Many letters passed on the
subject. In one of them Lord Seymour could
only say, in reply to Mrs. Hicks, that he could
not permit her or any of her family to have a
stall in the parks; but that he was ready to allow her
ss. a week until she obtained another residence. Mrs.
Hicks then wrote to the Queen, and received for answer
that the numerous claims on her Majesty's privy purse
prevented compliance with her request for , relief.
Finally, she wrote to the Duke of Wellington, who re-
plied that he had transmitted her memorial to the
Woods, and that they denied she had had any permis-
sion to construct any building iu the park. The Duke
added, that, as ranger of the park, he could give Mrs.
Hicks no authority to hold a house in the park. All
the remuneration she had, therefore, was 134—less 6d.
The poor woman, thus reduced to poverty, had been
compelled to sleep for several nights along with her
daughter on the pavement; but a generous public had
come forward and contributed more than the Woods and
Forests—it had contributed 751. to her necessities—of
which 35/. were subscribed by gentlemen of the Royal
Exchange, who knew her character, and sympathised
with her wrongs. She was taken before a magis-
trate, who said she should not be punished if she
would sell no more cakes in the park. He (Colonel
ee,
Sibthorp) tolled the House would they sanction the in-
justice perpetrated on that poor woman? She was not,
however, the only victim—there were several others who
were made to suffer for that absurd and wicked appro-
priation of the rights and property of the people—the
Crystal Palace. One man, Delis Heath, had kept a stall
17 years—another, named Lacy, who had kept a stall 20
years, and who was turned out on this occasion. An-
other poor man, of the name of Spicer, who had held a
stall from seven to nine years, was also turned out.
These parties had the sanction of former Commissioners
of the Woods and Forests, and were never before mo-
lested. If anything could especially plead for the poor
woman, Ann Hicks, it was that no imputation rested
upon her character. He would not go further into these
cases, but he would call on the Noble Lord, without any
unkind feeling towards that Noble Lord, but from a de-
termination never to shrink from doing his duty, to ac-
cede to his motion—namely, to grant copies of all orders
or decisions in the case of Ann Hicks.
Lord D. STUART would second the motion, although
he did not agree with all that had been said. His objection
was to the mode in which Ann Hicks had been treated.
He had looked into the case previous to the opening of
Parliament. He had called on the Noble Lord (Lord
Seymour), and had gone through all the letters, and his
opinion was that Ann Hicks had been treated with great
hardship, if not injustice. The case he believed to be
this:—Ann Hicks, her father, and grandfather had sold
edibles in the park for a very long period without moles-
tation. Ann Flicks was removed in consequence of the
proposed Crystal Palace. She was removed summarily,
and even the small house she had erected was pulled
down without compensation. It might be true there was
no written record in the Woods and Forests Office for
permission to Ann Hicks to build her cottage. But it
was undeniable the cottage was built, and had stood in
the park for a series of years. Every Commissioner
and every ranger must have seen that cottage for years.
Now, what would be said if a gentleman had allowed the
same thing in his park, and had he acted as the Woods
and Forests had acted, would he not he hooted out
of that house? The compensation—the miserable com-
pensation given, if not a gross act of injustice, was in-
defensible, and constituted a hardship on Ann Hicks,
The compensation was ss. a week for a year. Had she
received Bs. a week for her life, that would not have
been too much. It bad been said, Ann Hicks gave rude
and saucy replies to the conimand to turn her out; but,
if that were the fact, a great public: officer ought to be
above such petty considerations.—(Lear, hear,)
Lord SEYMOUR said, as far as the motion for papers
was concerned, he had no objection to it. He would

remind the House, that by an Act of Parliament, the
411 George IV., c. 50, the Commissioners of Woods and
Forests had no power to allow persons to build houses or
cottages in the parks. However much they might wish
it—however virtuous or excellent a poor person might
be—the C ,mreissionere had no power Cu allow that poor
person to build in Hyde-park. If there was no such
law, Hyde-park would soon he covered with the cottages
of poor people. Then, as to stalls. Leave to have
stalls was not given by the Woods and Forests Commis-
sioners, but by the ranger of the park. When the
building in the park came under the consideration of
the Woods and Forests, he forwarded a letter on the
subject to the Duke of Wellington as ranger, so there•
fore he was clear of any difficulty with respect to Mrs.
Hicks. Ho believed it was not an uncommon thing for
old women to squat down in the parks, and after they
had been there a little time great difficulty was found in
removing them. Now, with respect to Ann Hicks, she
got into the park by one pretext or another, and vvhell
requested to leave she would not remove. The Com-
missioners of Woods and Forests had no power to allow
Ann Hicks to remain there. Be was obliged by an
such
th
before the Barons of the Exchequer not to permit
things, and therefore it was impossible for him to allow
Ann Hicks to remain. He was bound by an Act of Par-
liament, and as the trustee of the Crown, it was not in his
power to see old women, virtuous or otherwise, establish
themselves permanently in the park. The parks were
fur the enjoy meat of the public, and not for old women
to squat down in and build cottages. If the Act of Par
liament allowed such a thing, other old wcmen would
be anxious to build bowers us Hy de Park, and a great
many applications would be made for that purpose.
The Honourable and Gallant Member had declared the
Crystal Palace to be a delusion, and that he had never
been taken in by it; but it would appear that the Rah
and Gallant Member had been taken in completely by
Ann Hicks.—(L tighter.) As to the story Of Ann Hicks, he had looked through all the matters connected
with his office. Ile found that her claim rested on little
encroachments; that she had always asked for favours;
but he found not a word about her right and claim in.
consequence of services to George 11. As to the state-
ment of her house in Hyde-park being broken open by,
the officers, that was totally untrue. Legal measures had
taken for her removal after her refusal, and on the first
steps being taken, Ann Hicks conceded and gave way
As to the whole story about George 11., and her claim on
that account, as far as be could see, it appeared to hie
to bo totally untrue. What was her claim? She got to'l
first step by deception—she wanted a wooden house; 'l3°
got it—she wanted the house made larger, she got leave;
but the wooden house would not answer her purpose--°bf:
had it increased in size, and this was the way she at last
got to a stone house with a small garden. Bat it (nigh"
be said, " Why turn her out ?" Because tee first etl:
croaebment was contrary to Act of Parliament and again!'
regulations. For instance, to open a shop at night 111
the park, when doubtful characters were about, as wag,
notoriously the case, was, to say the least, inconvenient
after the park gates were locked. It was obviously his
duty to take care that no encroachment took place in the
park, and especially encroachments connected with irre
galarities. It was his duty, under the circumstances, to
communicate with the ranger, and to cause the removal
of Ann Hicks. If the House of Commons were anxious
to preserve the parks to the public, they must take care
and prevent encroachment.
Mr. G. HUDSON could speak from his own 1030:
ledge to the great propriety of Ann Hicks's condues
while she had the stone house in the park. He e°135,1:,
dered she had been hardly used. It might be right w,
remove her, but if so let her have adequate and 0'
inadequate compensation. Ann Hicks had told him the
same tale she had told the Hon. and Gallant Mem°
(Colonel Sibthorp); and certainly, from what he knew
of her, he could not help thinking her case was one °
great hardship. He was surprised to see the building
erected—he was surprised this should have been Per
mitted, and that then she was turned out. lie feared
the Noble Lord had been misled by interested partieg•
He hoped, however, the Noble Lord would give more
compensation.

The motion was then agreed to.
GREECE.
Lord D. STUART said when the treaty with Greece
in 1832 was executed by France, Russia, and this coat'
try, a loan was at the time granted by the three G°'
vernments. A stipulation of a peculiar character viss
introduced into the convention, by which it was Pre:
sumed this country would never be called upon for Al
payment of money on account of that loan, and yet thc
practical working of that stipulation was such that Ens
land was called upon to pay 40,0001. on account of the
Greek Government. He wished, therefore, to ask the
Noble Lord at the head of Foreign Affairs with refer;
ence to the effect of the 3d article of the convention 4111
1832, whether the Government will take into considers'
non the propriety of appointing a Commission to inquir.,
into the manner in which the sum paid annually IV
England. France, and Russia, on behalf of the GoverFe.
ment of Greece, had been expended; and to ascertain 1f
what manner it would be desirable for the interest °f
Greece to lay out that large sum of money for t'
future?
Viscount PALMERSTON replied it was quite true
by the treaty of 1832 the English Government thought
they had taken security against any liability of all:,
country for the debt of Greece. It was stipulsten..
with a view to that object, that the revenue;
should be applied to discharge liabilities before
any portion was taken for the service of t-a•
State. That stipulation, from first to last, P 5
been disregarded, and the consequence was that lisbiliti
had been incurred by the three powers. This bad been
a subject of representation by different Governinep,n'
and communications with France and Russia had bee:
made; but ho was sorry to say those representatic°,l"
and those communications had nut yet led to any resuil,
This was the less excusable on the part of the Greeir
Government, because if they properly managed tbe:h
financial affairs there would be ample funds where'',
to meet their engagements. The liability of this county.
occurred from irregularity in the management and eclof
lection of the revenue, and the reckless expenditure is
it when collected. He was afraid great laxity in tbhe
respect arose from the indisposition on the part of
reed
Greek Government to submit to the constitution f°re
upon them, which was found very much to diminish ,b 0
financial resources of the country. Circumstances c`i
curred last year, as the House were aware, that render_es;
it difficult for her Majesty's Government to crhunt
this question on the attention of the other powers; wot
he could assure the Hon. Member the matter should
be lost sight of, and that communications should be
eta
tered into with the two other powers, France and guo'f
sia, with the view to make an impression on the OenSa
right and justice of the Greek Government.

INCOME-TAX.
Mr. HUME had always given his humble efforts t°
make the income-tax more equal and less oppresgic:;
bnt had never been able to succeed thoroughly. 1$ Ive-a
eith the view of having the tax reconsidered, that
made an effort to get the tax renewed for one year owl
:after the Chancellotof the Exchequer had openly de.
Glared ho would make no alteration in it. He had 50,
ceeded in May last in getting the tax limited to one yesl
oin order that a Committee might look into the tax.
Committee had been appointed, and be would venture t°
say that no Committee had ever been more delayed or
more opposed. What had taken place? The Conimittee
had met nine times, and seventeen witnesses had beef!
examined, the majority public officers. There was
not one witness who geve evidence whose evicl°c
ought not to be before the public. The Coromi,t,ee
',l
y
had before them the way in which the assessors carried
out the law, and one assessor particularly well ~,Puhitatbeed
out
remedied.how inconveniences
necseesssiaonlid wtanSecintleaalirttes
had submitted to the Committee pro ositiitosh
effect, that the evidence Committee
be publiPsbed. The `'e-0133;
mittee consented to the first and the last, and stroc-
the second one, which defeated his N°w'
intentions. sI9O
contended that this was treating him unfairly, and •
the public, who were deeply interested in the wal"aetti;
tics was raised and expended. He had looked 1-to
:1;10,0t
tibias
history, and had found that the greatest disasters,o
nations took their rise in financial difficulties. '"'„a
warned the Ministry that taxation was on an unsou's
basis; that danger would arise unless it was placed o°r„
sounder and a fairer basis. Ho considered the leg° c,
before the Committee a matter of great importance. 0%.
if properly conducted, great results might flow from
He was astonished that the Chancellor of the Exchefluv
and his two nominees should have voted in the Come;
mittee against printing the evidence. He (Mr. 11°Who
bad, however, got the evidence, and go forth to to
public it would, in some shape or other, though he wi
prefer that it should do so with the authority °L tbo.
House. Ile begged to move that the evidence taken
tore the Select Committee for inquiring into the ineor°
e
tax be laid upon the table.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER collgrs.;
tulated the Hon. Member on his being
again able, The
his recent indisposition, to appear among them% the
Hon. Member was quite correct in stating that woll
question whether the evidence should be printed 'the
discussed by the Committee, and that they came to
conclusion that it was so incomplete that it would be itae.
expedient to lay it before the House. The Lion•
ber had talked of the majority against printing the„et-te
deuce as an unnatural combination; but he ought It'ate
have forgotten the unnatural combination by whic Dot
motion for the Committee was carried. He did the
know to which of the members of tho Commitlho-
Hon. Member alluded when he spoke of his (the the
cellor of the Exchequer's) nominees having voted l?_eri,
majority. He had certainly named two of the nieln.ubor,
but one of them had voted one way and one the ,°` uoi
He thought there could be no doubt that the so-°
f the
oug oht to refuse to interfere with the decision °f g
Committee. He thought the Committee had come late
wise decision, as the evidence in its incomplete s
ought not to be made public. lee old
Sir J. WALMSLEY supported the motion. ee° woe
it was quite true that the division in the Committe
7 to 4, but three of the members besides the chairras
were absent.
fi
Mr. WILLIAMS also suorted the motion. lief
feared that the object of the Chancellor of the s,O
quer in suppressing the evidence was to continue thu
in all itsJ. injustice and incq.
Lord RUSSELL, in reualitferenyce to an observatp_nt °tthe Hon. Member for Montrose, reminded him that
would be irregular and a contempt of the authority
the House for any one to publish the evidence. e a
Mr. URQUHART expressed his surprise that ,_,l" n op.
question of this sort he alone should be left on tau
position benches.
Colonel THOMPSON felt cure the Cbanoc.etials°l;
of the Exchequer wished to preserve the W.(3233_00050
He thought his Hon. Friend the Member for M°
alled
laboured under a fallacy with regard to wha.,t wets
be
temporary, income. If an income rom inulle
fa4ol, it
it was taxed temporarily, f
and if peep he
was taxed in perpetuity, which was exhetqi, "eller
!Beg to be done. He should vote with the
of The Exchuer on this question.
^_i
klottaeqe then divided, when there Bppepred-