The Sun.
London, England, 1851-06-03 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 3,

'l'U ttK. 11: Y.

The Constilulionnel has the following from Con-
stantinople,
dated the 17th :—" An important change
has Oust taken place in the Turkish Ministry. Un.
fortunately I have no tine to obtain exact informa-
tion iin time for the packet. RESCHID PAULA and
his ptirty are triumphant. The dismissed Mioisters
are, it. is said, MEHItMET ALE PACHA, Minister of
War; SoLltu4x PACHA. Great Administrator and
Minister of Marine ; and MEHEMET PACHA, Minister
of Police. Ido not know whether these Ministers
have been replaced. Toe Director of the Octroi,
HUSSEIN BEY,hLs been also dismissed. At the mo-
ment I am writing the members of the council and
all the high functionaries of the Porte are assembled
in;the apartments of the GRAND VISIER, to hear the
firrnan read which names th new Ministers."

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• RAILWAY INTE:LLIGENCE.
WATERFORD AND KILKENNY.
T he ha►f yearly In, eting of this company was held on
Saturday, at the London Tavern ; General M•Leod in
the chair.

The advertisement convening the meeting having been
read, and the seal of the company affixed to the register
of sbarenolde,s,
The SECRETARY read the report. It stated that the
contract for the completion of tho railway between
Knock William and Waterford bad been concluded on
favourable terms, upon the understanding ih.t a loan of
40,0005. be obtained from the Public Works' L,,an Com-
missioners, and that the whole uf the c ;mpany's
be forthwith discharged. All the queries proposed
previous to granting a loan had been B,Aistactorily an-
swered, and there was no doubt that when a resolution
had b..en. passed authorising the directors to borrow this
40,000/., the first instalmt tic would be advanced by the
board. The statement of accounts showed that the re-
ceipts for .t he halt-3 ear amounted tv 8321, and the expen-
diture to 8731.
The CHAIRMAN having moved the adoption of the re-
port, it was stated, in answer to questions ?row a pro.
prietor that sufficient number of preference Mara had
been taken up to catnplete the entire undirtaktvg, and
the directors had no doubt that they should be enaWeil
to settle the claims of the creditors by paying theta with
these shares.
The report was unanimou,ly adopt; d, and the meet.
ing was made special for the purpose ~f submitting a bill
to the proprietors for atnending the acts of the company
and for other purposes, which having been explained by
the solicitor, was approved of by It proprte Ars.
A itsolutiou Was.then passed authorising the director,
to borrow the sum of 40 0001, and after a vote ut thanks
to th- chain-rta the mvpting spoarat.d.
AMALGAMATION OF THE EAST AND WEST YORK-
SHIRE WITH THE YORK AND N.RTII MIDLAND RAIL-
WAY —A meeting for the above purpose was ti,ld at.
Koaresborough on Fridoy, and the airr4ng,mtent, as
above-mentioned wa, ger..., to.

NORTH-WE TERN RAILWAY.
ExtrAet from the minutes of a rrn•i-li.g of gen.ral
rual-itters of railways, held in the Euston Station,
22, 18.51 :
" Mr. /larding. draws ottrwion to the p ..!irion of
those c >mpanies why, are ~.geri,ved by the invrpretati.in
put upon clause 9 of 7 it,,d 8 Vie.. eJp. 85 (providing ati
ex, moon from fax On fires at end utid,r Id. ppr mile).
by the It tiivray Coani,io.b.rs and the C iwmtssi
of Inland lt.venue, i•n avt:ich Mr. Swift has reported :bat
a remedy, by legia!ative enactment, cannot at present be
anticipated.

" Itemlved —That the attention of the Committee of
the Clearing-hou,e be respectfully calW to tho unsatis-
factory pi:s.tion of ihia crivetiori, the Itailwny Companies
being thiw refused &dl exempiion tri m tux on excursion
fares, thotigh under 1,1. per mile. except on the lowest
far'; that is to say, if in an excursion running
100 smiles the fares are 73, 5i., and 35.. it is only on the
3 fare that the Commissioners will grant exemption
from tax. A penalty is thus practically imposed on
giving any but the worst class of carriage accommodation.
" This will be much more severely felt in a pecuniary
shape., as the excursion train traffic to th,i Exhibition in-
creases, and should therefore, it is bubucitted, be looked
to before such exc•uronni .NlmmPne.."

RAILWAY MASsA.CRES.
Long lists of f+gures are periodically paraded before
the public, in which they are informed how many pas-
sengers travel annually upon our railways, and what is
the number per cen•. thist meet with any accidint on
their journeys. We are then usually informed how many
used to travel by stage coaches in the olden time, and
what was the per-centage of accidents among passengers
by that mode of conveyance.
It was. impossible in stage-coach travelling to guard
completely against all kind% of accident. In railway tilt.
telling it is possible to do so. No amount of care or
skill in the proprietors or driver of a coach could famish
absolute security. The coach might be sound and well
built, the borsss might be well chosen and well
elrissir, there might be no overloading, and yet an ac-
cident might happen. horses might suddenly tall, or
take fright, or the misconduct of the drivers of other
vehicles might bring on a collision ; or there might
be an unknown danger in the state of the road over
which the coachtuaster had no control. There is
nothing of the kind in the case of a railway. Rail-
way. carriages have inanimate machinery for their
motive power. A sreani-engine does nit kick or bolt
or take,fright. It has no vice; and, if it is unsound, the
railway company have themselves to blame. Tht n, tie
road is their own. None bet their own carriages travel
on it. It these interfere with the safe transit of each
other, or if the road itself is in en unsafe state,
it is the fault of the comp,ny, and of the company
only. We repeat it, a rails-ay accident cannot hap.
pen without the railway company being to blame. If
they buy de f.ctive c alleges or engines, or if they
allow them to b come clef, ciive by neglect and wear and
tear, but per.•ist in using them; it they start their trains
too anon atter each other; if they do not keep the reds
and the permanent way in good order; if they employ
insufficient and incompetent servant.; it th-y do ally of
these things, they are justly Wan:if...hi aid r hpy ought
S 3 be made severely resilonsible.— Weekly News.

„ ova P,
and Louisa "FpmAtNeDr,
STARVATION OF . A um. tttr nva PA
STEP-MOTHER AT Blum/. ..
who have been tor some weeks in custody at Biset
charge of cruelly ill-treating Christiana Carpenter, a ug7lnl6a
years old, by locking her up in a room, hall-starving her,
and beating her, underwent a further examination before the
magistrates of Bristol on Saturday. In consequence of the
immense crowds which thronged the streets upon the oeca-
Mon of the former renrerds, and of the threatening and vio-
lent aspect ehice thep,pul ice at those times essumwd ,o-
Wards the prisoners, the magistrates deemed it prudent to
keep the time of the present examination a secret, and their
intention to proceed with it was only made known to the
press mid to the parties actually engaged in the conduct of
the case. It will be remembered that when she was brought
_.?
sabeeit three weeks since the poor girl..was a complete
te'i'L4ll,enly weighing 59Ibe in her clothes; her appearance
on zaairtlay was greatly improved.Mr.eiri"-e the clerk tri.
the
191 h,
ju-ltjeee stated that in that bot pe kid she had 'gained
~,;rt
__A3aesoon as the prisoners were placed at the bar, the
revi-!5.
eeneosmmodated with a :seat in the witness-box, and,
atniTh'utonn worn, she stated the ease; but while
,under ex-
Iklr.,Beruare
his opinion thate
the,tli)oor girl became exhausted and excited, and
shestieon in attendance 'Ten her, expressing
any further.. the .was not in a fit state to be questioned
expeeste prisoners were again remanded, the magis-
trates. - rig their readiness to take responsible sureties
for their re-appear,
were removed in No bail being forthcoming, they
eusntoccelY. Y. and the poor girl was driven back
to the station-hour,
MYSTERIOUS ArFAiit.
ot
Charles Mr. W. Payne and a
Eloepitat, beforeAn inquest was held on
Sattrrday at Guy's
who Palmer, aged 43, a
jury, as to the death
cab proprietor and driver,
iVed from tbe effects of bt-
u t under circumstances of a
juries received on the Derby n;4
ht
that the deceased
very mysterious charac er.
and on the Derby
recently resided in the 04
persons to and
points on the road, whereby, day was engaged with his cab in Kent-road
from various
had received about 41. At a late hour the it was stated, he
at a public-house near Cheam, were be vVased stopped
Jemmy Welsh, Barnash, and other wee-enownengaged by
convey them to London-at half-a-crown each. P,jl:golivilts, to
deceased some meat, bread, &c., and proceeded on theel gave
home, when the deceased received some. injurY by frelriaey
from the box of the cab, or by other means, at present n-
known to- the police. Ile was. taken to Guy's Ro .
aettal,
where he bad every attention paid to him, but he expired on
Wednesday from severe injuries to the spine, f acture of the
leg, and other violence, no doubt caused by a fall. The
sister of the deceased stated that before her brother expired
he informed her that he had been -hocuseed, and robbed by
some persons who had been in the cab, by whom also he was
r..tally ill-treated by b • 'pushed otithe cab. The co-
mg •
loner was informed that several persons engaged in the case
Were absent, but if time lo doubt, would
was allowed they, Ibe forthconai consented. to ad-
journ the ,p9r,fc.- Tne coroner thereupon . _
accordingly ad. settings for a few days, and the inquiry was
adjourned. II
noon an . lEL""ILY OCCURREN n raCE.—On T u .
ds'? after-
tn ueetal
place about, 12 ineseee f held at Lytham (a favourite watering
owitt, 2o years of rom Preston),' on the body of Hannah
aged 29. was drown r' ,‘'.l.,* toeether with Thomas Smith,
River Elhble.. It is said
that on a pleasure excursion on the
servants in the establishment the decea.sed, who were fellow.-
Cliff, Preatoni:w ere bet rothed on
Dr. Winstanley, of the West
been married. on the very day Onea:1111. other, and were to have
held over their remains- It aPeetaredielf the inquisitions wa,e
the deceased and tour other persons .et:om the evidence that
with the view of proceeding on a
pleasurei ftPreston in a boat,
thani. Tau boat (which was in agood,ataetaseursion to Ly-
about 23lee,t in the keel and 7 feet in the beats,
of repair) was
cantle bean, fitted with new &sits; it halo. ,tII, aod bad re-
men of the party,- named John Eastham and John Young
They had proceeded, with a strong ebb tide, as far as
Wanton
village about three miles from Lytham), where the :lon a
some two or three miles in breadth, when in eonsequergeril is
is stated, of a sudden squall, _the boat capsized, antivi as
whole perty were immersed in the water, being at the time
within a few yards of. the shore.. 'lwo poor men, named
Anthony. Jordan and,Peter. Lamb (who were gathering
cockles nu the sands within a abort distance of the spot).
rendered pro:npt and prai4ewortby aesistance • seizing a boat
_ which, lay at anchor close by, they were tbe re' etunate means
''JWS-Ver. s oe:dre four of the party.- Smith, who clung ;o the mast
et„
......t Vei : t capsized, was taken from the -water a oh-tirt-
ive e‘eee..._l 101 ' .e'accident,.btat lifeeteas-qiiite wet id. .Theyoune
—*et
I:01'e; --J--*_thiiiiii: t was Carried abouta mile and.a-balf down the
..,. in 1 61,:ii...,_ Ater- -bli,' ' e ores of the carrent, and when the title receded,
efee,..r4S•thek dl. found on '!Le r-inds.; The linciite4t upon Smith
(
D,c 1;.14::A14.f.: ' a ton. -'I verdict of "Aceidentafly Drowned”
' 4b, lti
1 -7
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4'OF."-Zi - j, of the inquest both
N..4f-i44,:i'l -,
- iptiivid-lakos -graitt-ja - - •
... ..„„...-„j 1.. . 0- -Um 'turabgrcquid • .
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DENMARK AND THE DUCHIES. I THE ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC
A letter from Ilelstein of the 2-Ith, in the Cologne RAILWAY PROJECT.
Gate 'lie, says :—" The Russian note addressed to the The letter frow Mr. Whiney in the Times of the 17th
Cabinet of Copenhsgen teas de'ertnined M. DE cf April, describing his prop teed railway acre s the
American continent tr,,rn the Atlentic to the Pa ifie,
Ras DZ, the Minister of F,rei3O AtLirs, to proceed to
hastlec;,ted tttention, area led to (4Ters in this country
Warfaw. We consider it as certain that cotnplica•
I .ttt any assistahee e may r, Turf.. k Thie
toms ot a dis4greeable cbaracer have led to this bud- P:t
noire y diat. stinpaeity ot his p an centraet refloat. ab y
den journey." with the tnaenitude of its Le •j ct,
'The Duke of AUGUST ENDIMG has protested and suggest a
revolution in the modes of cunduc lag public enter-
sgoinst the resolution taken by the King of DiatsmanK prises whirl may opportunely c enpeuta e for the
to exclude him iron' the throne. destruction of faith during the last ten years
which has threate-ne d to reader it impassible
to carry out for the future even the most needful and
proersing undertakings. His schemes is to build a
railway 2 030 miles in length, not only without a shit-
ting of Government money, but also without raising acy
contributions from the public, and, when completed, it
would be the property of the nation,
the value o!
whose territorial possessions would also be
Incal-
culably augmented. At the same time, the element
t
of
self-interest, the true adjunct of practical philan-
thropy, would operate as tae moving cause in every
stage of the whole affair. From New York to the
Wisconsin b trder of Lake Michigan, a distance west
of about 1,000 miles, there is already a pelf ct corn.
munication by steamboat and railway, and Mr.
Whitney proposes to continue the line thence to the
miles of the public lauds on each BPacific. For this purpose he asks aidgeraonft ofthe thirty
templatcd road, and from these, although they are at
oPitnti,nhethweolunaldincerdeaattee anleligthh;
bp
or eusrehnotowd iot 11.7.1 ot oh to vsatlauret
rei; excerpt
means that are necessary. He would, for instance.
commence with ten miles of the road, cad then sell
a portion of the lands on each side, which, owing to
the it proximity to the advancing rush of popu-
lation, the existing facilities of transit, and the
fact of such an enterprise being undertaken, would at
once realize considerably more than would be requisite
thus tar to meet the outlay. The point at the end of
Olhatiaatn,
wlyslw'ionekoet tueshl nnwwitedia.:4hrrit
nee:
classehfdurnwlvoraosmmenici
can only
whichtnohs t
anii
ygedbhbhi etsebwi
etnhi
way,t
therefore
etnearlyoriginallyure tbhee csoansmst
constructed
ceotdse
ride
satirw eapdt no these
i am :bitstt.
pdabdyi
hi,
ye,bit,s
those
at
nt
cheeindigthraetii,rin!e:iatt,lobrietheeffficrt:t
8430f0trolle-gsrieha,t
land is mostly prairie, and fit for instant settlement; and
one of the provisions of the Bill recommended by the
Committees of Congress who have reported upon the
subject is that not more than half the quantity granted
en each side shall be sold in the fi at instance, the re-
maining ha f being reserved to complete the work in
cheats districts where the soil might prove poor. Not
only, therefore, would etch proluegation of the road na-
,urally render more certain the completion of the re-
usetnder, but it would provide a fund that would place
that result beyond all doubt.
Gigantic as the scheme is, the simple calculations on
which these conclusions are based are familiar to all
who are acqueinred with the rise and progress of the
inland cities of America, and in this case the projector
l.a to stake the reward of all his labours upon tf• ell. suc-
cess. After the road shall have been completed anti in
operisti.n, till the surplus lands or money are, eccording
to the Bill which has been introduced, to belong to Mr.
Whitney and his heirs; but here is no provision for uny
nirect remuneration; and consequently, 'although every
step of the work must benefit. the nation. he cannot cla
rive anything except tram its fii,al triumph.
The ultimta e effects of such a land route between
Europe end Asia, and ieti in still further ming-
hag the pro-suctions and races of the world, are to be
regarded with t qu,l interest in England and the Unite(
State... It 1314 been uti,tivnio,Jsly reported upon by dii
t'esent Cemonieees of the two Houses or Congress at
sl,ff and ham also been sanetiiiiied by le gis
lance votes in about 20 of the individual Stares, the
party warfare, hower:.r, of last session prevented a final
r- solution from beoig arrives) at, attd cotaequently caus-ti
delay writer), es fur us the United State- are concerned,
je •pareizes the project. S e rapid is the progress of sett
Heim nt io the west, that the lads in the neighbourhood
of the route are fast filling up, and the contingency pre-
tient* itself, that even before Congress wilt again meet
they may be so tar occupied ae to put it out of the power
of Government to make the needful grant. Loiltung at
this poexihiiity, attention has been turned to Canada,
whence a feasible route has long been considered to
exist from Qu= bee to Vancouver's Island. In the diets
un terstood to have been made to Mr. Whitney the poa-
sihle adopt-on of the latter course has consevently been
taken into account, the proposal being to furnish him
wish the necessary capital for the first 10 miles of the
line (in consideration for a share of the results contin-
gent upon its final completion), whether it may pass
through American or British territory, supposing a
similar grant of the litter could be obtained. For the
present, it appears he has &dined to enter into any ar-
rangernect, preferring to wait until the next session of
Congress; bus it is satisfactory to believe that his bold
conceptiun is now sufficiently appreciated on both sides
to insure that it will not be suffered to fail ter want eif
any rational aid that can be afforded to it.—Times' City
Article.

PENINSULA,'. AND ORIEN TAL STEAM
NAVIGATION COMPANY.
On Settirday the half-yearly meeting of this company
was held at the offices in Leadenhall• street, Sir James
Matheson, Bart., M.P., presiding.
The report stated that the shareholders were aware
that the accounts under the deed of settlement were
only presented once a year, but the financial position of
the company seemed very satisfactory, and warranted
the declaration of a dividend fur the next six months,
ending 31st March next, of 4 per cent. Arrangements
had been made fur extending the steam communication
with India, China. &c. Considerable attention had been
paid to inersasing the spied of the company's vessel-,
and the Hindustan and Oriental now wade the vo3age
from Suez to Calcutta in eight days less than the time
stipulated in the mail contract. The company intended
to resume the North Coast of China service, by means
of the Pacha. bet aben Hong Romig and Shangha-. Va-
rious improvements were intended with tepid to the
transit of the mail through Egypt, and the directors
could state, on the authority of a letter from the Pacha.
teat he intended to construct a railway through th.,t
country, under the direction of Mr. Stephenson, M.P.
The Canton. which had run on an unknown sunken rock
on th•-• coast of Chins, hat of er being exposed to a sea
t.q. (opt weeks watch ev,,uld have destroyed a wootien
ves=o, bein gut t,tl mud iuti,ei to have su-iatned dame_ e
only which contr.( be repaired at a comparatively Intl cog
cosc. The bir Charles Forbes bad brew hirer' to supply
the place of tt,e Gintori. Die company h d made a four,h
tender 10 the Gtivernment fir toe service to All3ttaliV,
tar. no definite reply had yet. been receiv• d.
The report was adopted, the dividend declared, a Tote
of thanks givcri o the Pacha of Egypt for the interest
he bad taken with rewird to the communicatt-u with
Inds & aid to the director. t3r their cuntinudi atten-
tion to the intete-ts t.f 1-4.

MEETING of the NAT/O.VAL SOCIETY.
L is wi b no sio,ll glattfication iti,st we rind our,elves
eon led to ahnou;ce to our readers the fact, ,hot at the
rn-etiog of the N oional Society on Weonesday next, a
Te,,.lu ion witl be moved on 13,-,half of the commit eby
Lord R immediately after the reception of the
report, which is calculated to unite the votes of ail the
-friends of the society and promot ra of Church education,
and which will, we th.p-, supersede the resolutions and
counter-resolutions of which notico has been given. Lord
Rede,dale's resolution expresses regret at the restric-
tions continued to be imposed by the Committee of
Conned on the founders of Church schools, and at the
slaw time adverts to the continued co-operation of the
National Society with the Committee of Council, as a
ground of' satisfaction. It is nut impossible that men
of extreme views, wedded to party strifr., may take
exceptions to this resolution, either on the ground
that it identifies the society with the demand for
greater freedom to the fainders of Church schools,
or, on the other band, ou the ground of its being too
conciliatory towards the Committee of Council. But
sober minded and reflecting men will not regret the het.
that p-nding the dispute a large portion of the Parlia-
mentary grant bus been appropriated to purposes of
Church education, and will deem the recognition by the
society, with the lull concurrence of the committee, of
the principle that greager freedom ought to be ac-
corded to the founders of Church schools, more likely to
conduce to the ultimate attainment of that freedom, than
a party victory within the society. The time cannot be
far distant when, with a Government more favourable to
the Church, and a Parliamentary Committee appointed.
to investigate the whole question in all its bearings, the
Church will have full justice done her; and with this
prospect before them the members of the society would
act most unwisely if they were to encourage any further
agitation of controverted topics within its own bosom.
We trust that this will be felt by the great majority of
the members present on Wednesday; and that, instead
of the unseemly, though inevitable, a rife which has cha.
rt,ticu;eywrhgis‘oo:dhouitthssetianano(nicual meetings for the last iew yeurs,
wilt be a unanimous, or all but unanimous, resolve
I"t",_°e?cetittate the united strength of its members upon
society was doirTgbinsaillleyoefittathbelistreeda.—t.

k;LAIRvoYANCa Ears AOIIDINARY.—on Tuesday,
ePrlrrmrianege3 week, a clairvoyante, named Bliss Eagle,
winhtihlee.
300
pereato,tel:e. Town•hall, Chippenham, in th
nee
to some questions put to
presence of
her, stated that she co•-'I5, ea about 30 horses all racing,
but there was ore about a length
air e was Teddington. This
some a great way nehir
st believers and sceptics
in-front of the other, aa
caused isoine li,tle speculation
in clairvoyance; and on the foilocZ
some scores
As it approached
were down to meet the seven o'clock r:invening
it was heard on all sides "Now for -1-.
one she's wrong," &c., and numerous
,atirvoyanCe ; two t •
who travel-
ling is known, and many had to ,iv their made. The
tr hands is their
pockets pretty deep.—Devizes Gazette.
: 'D AN ANS NOT ALNV. Y. TO Bs DI.REGARDED. ejevro
furnishes us with a relation of two Arcadians, wh,
ling together. arrived at Magua, a city of Greece
Athens and Corinth, where one of them lodged i . a friend's
house, ~and the other at an inn. After supper, the per,on
who _lodged at the private house went to bed, and falling
asleep dreamed that his friend at the inn appeared to him,
and begged his aiisistance; because the innkeeper was going
rolcill him. The man • inintediately cot out of bed, much
frightened at the dream;, but recovering hims6lf and falling
asleep again, his friend appeared to him a second time, a A
d
,iired that, as he would not assist him in-time, he would
take,.: care at least not to let his death go unpunished; that
the inn',
• —eeper having murdered him,- had thrown his body
in a
heart'c
and. covered it with dung; he therefore begged
that would be •
at the city gate in the- morning, before
, the cart*
early to th: out.- Stfuck with this new, dream, -he lent
Was il it. rfahte, saw-the- -call, and asked the driver what
takeitout -. e driver immediately fled • the. dead wax
of the cart, and
'el-E -Cute& - - i the apptehended and
Tile a' ' :Durham . •
taw toagliziilterliser states Vat tbe- potato
"le t%inzarsllo.' ."-- s"- -- -

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
GUILDHALL.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

,rA,er
alhitsa(teid;
in,vh,gewi;ut,rsye I.ef.
vestry-clerk
fatchleerpgayrmishanoforAtflle.
was brought before the Lord Mayor
stolen a shilling from the plate
ChAtirePh"Thltwighloansitia,
Barking.
oursz
the
re. thect citr,hrcaahregi
,cef
helloes. Barking, said,'l have been desired by the church.
warden of the parish to charge the prisoner with having
afrom the plate u,.ed la-t night at the
lecturetc'trB d motley'ienour
church. As I was going to Mr. Plummer,
.ho was holding the plate et one of the doors, to say
that there was no use in staying any longer, the prisoner
went up to the plate, put his bend into it, and took out
something. I immediately seized the prisoner's hand,
and upon opening it found a shilling in it. I then took
him to the vestry-room, and afterwards by the direction
of the churchwarden to the station-house, where he was
charged with the robbery. The collection was for the
benefit of the evening lecture fund. Mr. Plummer is one
of our oldest parishioners, tine ho was therefore requested
to hold the plate. The pri-mer told me that be did not
take any money out of the plate, and that he had placed
sixpence in it. No money was taken from him.
The solicitor for the prisoner—Did you see him take
the money from the plate? Witness—l could not see
what he took out of the plate until I opened his hand.
When I saw him put his hand in the plate I grasped it
immediately. I saw his fingers go ri,;ht down upon the
money in the plate.
Mr. John Plummer. of Tower-street. said—l was
holding the plate at the north door of the church, and I
saw the prisoner moving to the plate, and telt a pressure
on the back part of my hand as hie fingers went into the
plate. I saw a sovereign on the plate, and my suspicion
was that the prisoner was attracted by the sovereign,
which was a new one and rather conspicuous. Mr.
Creation came behind him, and seizing his hand, said,
" You villain, you have taken something from the plate."
The plate is a deep dish, and the fingers went into it.
The prisoner's solicitor—Do you swear that you saw
him take money out instead of putting it in? Witness—
I caa only state as to my belief, which was that he took
Recreey out.
Mr. John Silverlock, senior churchwarden of All Hal-
lows, flaking, said—l was bolding a plate at the door
of the principal entrance at the south side, and the pri-
sorter as he was passing put his hand into my plate, and
think that he took something out. I observed a halt
sovereign in my plate, bat as I saw that was safe I did
not *cause him, tv. I did not wish to condemn unjustly.
Mr. Creaton—Your Lordship will observe that when I
took the priaoner into the Vestry-room upon the charge
of abstracting from the plate held by Mr. Plummer, Mr.
Silverlock directed me, trim the belief that the prisoner
had robbed his plate, to cause him to be taken to the
station. house.
The LORD MAYOR—WeII, prisoner, do you wish to
make arty explanetese? Who and wnat are you? The
prisoner—l have been a clergyman of the Church of
Eegtiand upwards of 32 years.
The LORD MAYOR—Are you in orders now? The
prisoner-1 am. I had one church in Worcestershire
20 pears; and I have served in Eye, in Suff,lk, during
tne absence of the cl rgy min there. I have two sons ite
respe=ctable circumstances in London. and I have- letters.
which were tuuud upon rue, and which your Lordship
cell read as eveleace o' my resps etelnlity. I am !meet
willing and anxious to give ...very • xplanetion.
The LORD MAYOR-1 am willing to give you every op
portunity in making the necessary explattatien. If you are
innocent, )Our present position is, indeed, most painful.
The prisoner—l had its my purse, when I went to the
Ware hole by the witness (Mr Plummer), a shilling, a
rexpeece, and a halfpenny. I pulled out the shilling and
sixpence t. gether, and I put the sixpence into the plate
keeping the 'hitting in my hand. At that moment ano
cher 0. the witnesses aiezed my hand, in which my
'tolling ayes. The whole statement made is correct,
wi,n the exception of the point as to taking money on'.
of the plate, fur instead of taking mousy out I put motley
in. I moat naturally wish for the most searching in.
v. stiga ion into this extraordinury charge. I am the
father of six eons and three daughters, and I never en-
tertained a thought of committing such au offence as
that with which I am charged.
The LORD MAYOR—Where do you live? The pri-
soner—On Jaturday nig,ht I slept in a coffee-house in
Bishops;; ite-etreeo.
The officer who apprehended the prisoner said—l took
his purse from him, and 1 found a halfpenny in it, as be
states.
The LORD MAYOR—Did you make inquiries at the
coffee. house about him? Officer—I did, my Lord, and
I ascertained that he had slept there; bat the landlord
said he went away in the morning without paying for
his In d or his breakfast, and something was said about
.ometbing of the same kind about four years ago.
The prisoner—It was my intention to pay what I
owed at the house in Bishopsgate-street, of course; but
this mistake intereril with my intention.
Tee LORD MAYOR—IL is so important to the priso-
ner, as well as to the authorities of the parish, that this
matter should be investigated, that I am resolved to
cause the strictest inquiry to be made into all the state-
ments, and I shall with that view remand the case for
a W days.
The prisoner was then remanded.
The City Police Commissioner waited upon the Lord
Mayor and stated that he bail received a letter from the
secretary to the Ragged School Shoe-black Society,
asking permission to introduce the plan which is now
being adopted in various parts of the metropolis, into
the City, to which he (the Commissioner) bad given
his consent, provided the names of the boys and the
places which they ys ere to occupy had his sanction,
eubiect to the approval of the chief magistrate of the City.
The plan received the cordial apprk.bation of the Lord
Mayor, and arrangements will be immediately made to
carry it into effect.
The LORD MAYOR said he had extreme gratifica-
tion in stating that he had received a considerable
number of contributions for the relief of the sufferers
from the Graceehurch-street calamity ; amongst
which were the following :—Addi Total subscrip-
tioes frets the members of the Stuck Exchange, per H.
Wilkinson, Esq., 35/. 10s. ; the bankers, merchants,
and inhabitants of Allhallows, Lombard street, per W.
Hasrl.sine, 1181. 17.. ; Henry Silk, Esq , Hampstead-
road, 5/.; Mr. Pinches, master of the Commercial School,
George yard, near the fallen building, 1/., and 41. 12s.
es a voluntary contribution of his pupils; coilected
Mr. G. Weseinicott' iBl. 15-.; ditto, Spank and Son.
91. 2s. 8.1.; ditto, J. D. liroanieg, 3/ Bs.; ditto, Glad-
well, W. 25.; ditte, J. lia:ght and Sun, 2/. lira. 6d.;
di te, It. Howell 9/ Os. 61 ; ditto, W. Susi•hera 51 19s.
10d.; di tie W. J 31 8s ; ditto. G Beck. 111 8..;
A. J 8., belt net.- 78 239 5/ ; small sums received by
R .etor of Eteelburghts, 21 3.4. 6d.; Messrs. Fox and
lisrie,t. W.; Mrs. Sapsvell, 91). Graceehurch street, in
small denateme, 5/. 2-. 6d ; it quest of ward of Hi-tepe-
e ate, betaece of account from Mr. Owden, 51 6e. ld.;
Pnilip Salomons, E:q., 51.; J. H. W., Lt. C., 21; and
several smaller sums.
M.. B II (ie the firm of B .11 and Corbett) waited upon
the Lord Nisi) or with various eontributions for the Ned
ter the permanent benefit of the sufferers, amounting to
26/ 175.. anri
'floe Loan MAYOR expressed his high admiration of
the bum me exertions 01 the two gentlemen, who showed
such deep interest in the deplorable catastrophe, and
were so warmly met by the public feeling.
LAMBETH.
Mr. Jarman, managing clerk to Mr. Humphries, the
solicitor, wi.h several respectable persons, atteaded be-
fore Mr. Elliott to .upp. rt a charee of assault, preferred
on a furnacr day,. against Mr. or Captain Williams, a
member of the Army and Navy Club, Pall-mall.
Ti.e charge against the gallant captain was that of in-
duioieg , wi:h several of hie companions, the occupants
of a four-in-hand drag, in the aristocratic amusement of
pelting every one who approached them with eggs duns
ing their homeward progress on the Wks days. It was
the misfortune of Mr. Jarman, and a party of friends in
a carriage, to approach the " swell drag" at Tooting,
and from that place until they had reached the turnpike-.
gate at South Lambeth a continuous fire of eggs and
other missiles was kept up, so that on reaching the latter
place the party fired at were literally covered sod
drenched with egg-stuff, the odour from which was not
of the most pleasing description. At South Lambeth
the offenders were given into the charge of the police,
but the latter not being in sufficient force at the place to
secure them, the gentlemen were allowed to proceed on
giving their names and addresses. The names and ad-
dresses given were found not to be correct, but the
whereabouts of Captain Williams was discovered by his
being followed by one of the sufferers to the Army and
Navy Club, and a eumm.ms was taken out against him.
His companions would in all probability have got scot
tree out of the scrape bad it not been fur an incident
that occurred at South Lambeth, and which led to the
disclosure of the names of two others of the party.
When the gentlemen were given into the custody of, the
police, and the latter were struggling to take them
.to_the
station-house, Mr. Henry Peat, the saddler, in Old Bond-
street, rode up, and being acquainted with the names of
several of them, and also knowing Mr. Jarman personally,
he undertook to furnish the latter with their names, and
on this understanding the aggressors were allowed to
proceed. On the summons being called on yesterday
Captain Williams was not present. and English, one of
the summoning ..fficers, deposed that he had celled at the
Army and Navy Club to serve Mr. Williams with the
summons, and was told that he was out. He (English)
h-sd reason to believe that was not true. It was his.im-
pression that the gentleman was at the Club at the time,
and he left the summons with the porter in the hall to
give to Mr. Williams.
_ _

- Mr. Jarman, addressing the Magistrate, said he had
411(1102011.-11 Mr. Peat fur the purpose of id.,ntitying Mr.
Wi'thins 6.4 one of the off ndera, and as Mr. Peat was
then present, and was well acquainted with the persons
of the other delinquents, he hoped his Worship would
call on him to disclose their names, 6o thst he (11r. Jar
man) might be enabled to institute proceedings against
them.

•
' Mr. Peat observed that he was placed in rather an
awkward dilemma in the matter. He understood that a
ja(ail:incitatnir
Benul thehwi part(ff o`_ those ec
ipsayluo.reti hall
had dune, and any expenses they bitcl ehedalialtue'llgoen Mr.
they
might have been put
to, provided his Worship consented to the case being
settled:
Mr. ELLIOTT remarked that he could not -permit an
Outrage ut seriou-4 a public character to be compr„. m
di. i,ed in any such way, -and added that he considered
Putt bound to disclose the names of the Weeders.
Mr. Peat replied, that in d.fereace to his Wur,bip's
ioapiinthioen he should give up the names of two of the parties
"drag." • acid these were Mnars. Henry and
Thomas Diulhdale, the sous of the beaker, who lodged at
10, Bury street, St. James's.
Mr. Jarman said that he had in attendance a poulterer
from Newgato-rnarker, who sold and delivered at the
house, 10, Bury street, a cask containing 800 or 1,000
eggs a day or two More the vices.
The written information of Mr. Peat and Mr. Jarman
was then taken and sworn to, and
, Mr. Eu.ioTT routed wartattto foot cazaik,
lip ggirgit :IWO

HOUSE OF LORDS, June 2.
The LORD CHANCELLOR LOA his seat on the Woolsack
at Five o'clock.

COURT OF CHANCERY.
Lord LYN DHUR,ST understood that the Bill intro-
duced into the other /lane by the Prime Minister had
been abandoned, and that a new Bill (with the drawing
up of which he hoped his Noble and Learned Friend
on the Woolsack had -hal more to do than he had
had with the former Bill) was about to be intro-
duced. In the last session a Bill for the reform
of the Court of Chancery in Ireland had been intro-
duced by the present Master of the Rolls ; that Bill
had passed into a law and the result had been most
sathfactory. I❑ consequence of that Bill 694 petitions
had been presented and only twenty-nine bills had been
filed for proceeding in what' had previously been the
ordinary mode. That was satisfactory so far as regarded
plaintiffs, and as regarded defendants not one had pe-
tinned to proceed by bill instead of petition. The law
cfficers in Ireland had testified to the admirable working
of this Act, and he hoped his Noble and Learned Friend
would consider these facts; and he bad been assured that
at the conclusion of this term there would not be one of
these 694 petitions on which a decree would not have
been pronounced. H. commended these facts to the at-
tentive consideration of his N. and Learned Friend.
The LORD CHANCELLOR hoped that the Bill
now in the hands of the Prime Minister would meet the
expectations of his Noble and Learned Friend. He
could well understand that all matters now brought
forward by bill might be brought forward by
petition, but he did not think that would materially
aid the administration of justice. His Noble and
Learned Friend had said that uptvrds of 400 cases had
been disposed of, and he should have been glad it in an
equal number'of cases in this C aantry, counsel would
hove ceased speaking. He thought that such an entire
alteration in the administration of justice should be
adopted with caution; he would make inquiry into the
subject, and was obliged to his Noble and Learned Friend
tor having drawn his attention to the matter; and would
b" at all times happy to receive any suggestions from his '
Noble and Learned. Friond, on a subject which he so
well understood as the administration of justice in the
Court of Cbanotry.

CRIMINAL LAW.
• Lord LYNDHURST wished to know what progress
had been made in carrying out the recommendations of
the Commissioners for ,the Reform of the Criminal
Law ?—(llear, hear, from Lord Brougham.) He wished
to know whether it was intended to act upon the report
of the Commissioners, or to pass it over entirely.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that a few days
ago his Noble and Learned Friend had, in the way of
ordinary convvrsatiou, alluded to it, but not in the way
to impress him with the idea that he intended to allude
to the subject publicly. He had no reason to think that
it was the intention of the Government to advance any
more money to orosecute the inquiry.
Lord BROUGHAM said that, before Easter, he had
pot a nearly similar question, and his Noble and Learnt d
Friend on the Woolsack had undertaken to inform him-
self on tho subject. He had addressed a letter to the
Chat•celler of the Exchequer on the subject, and
had learned, to his eurprise and regret, that it
was not his intention to renew the Commission.
He had, three several times, brought in a Bill
digesting the criminal law, sad it had been admitted
that the Bill ought to Le referred to a newly con-
structed Commission—an (pinion in which he entirely
concurred; and as he understood it was agreed that
such Commission sheu,d be created, and that the Com-
mission should make a final examination, and
hat to them ' the propose I code of cri-
minal procedure should be submitted for final
examination, ee was much disappointed when he found
that no such Commission was to be appointed. By this
refusal to renew the Commission the country would be
deprived of any benefit they mieht have derived from
the lib,urs of the Criminal Law Commissioners.
The subject then dropped.
REGIS rRATION OF ASSURANCES BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL moved that the order of the day
for the consideration of this Bill be discharged and post-
poned to the first day after the Whitsuntide holidays.
After a few words from Earl Fitzwitlism, Lord Oran-
worth, and the Marquis of Westmeath,.the motion was
agreed to.

PETITIONS.
Lord CRANWORTII presented a petition in favour
of the Absconding Debtors Bill; also a petition from a
person who held some municipal office, who complained
that he had not been deprived of his office (which
would have entitled him to compensation), but that
he had baen deprived of the profits of his office.
The Earl of ENNISKILLEN presented numerous
petitions from various places in Ireland against Pape)
ageression.
Lord MONTEAGLE reminded their Lordships that
these petitions were not in favour of the Bill before the
other House of Parliament, because in that case they
could not be presented, but against Papal aggression; and
be reminded their Lordships that the petitions against
the measure could not be presented until the Bill was be •
fore the House; and be declared that there was a strong
feeling in the country against the measure before the
other House, or any measure for interfering with the
Roman Catholic hierarchy.
ARREST OF ABSCONDING DEBTORS BILL.
Tae Earl of HARROWBY moved the second
reading of this Bill, the object of which was to
facilitate the arrest of absconding debtors, by
enabling county court' judges to issue warrants
for their arrest in the same manner as such war-
rants were issued by the Judges of Westminster-hall at
present; it was proposed to give a similar power to com-
missioners in bankruptcy for issuing warrants.
L ird BROUGHA 1f believed that some such measure
as this was greatly want, d. He thought, however, that
some means should be adopt, d to ascertain whether au
alleged debtor was really in debt or not.
After a few words from Lord Cranworth and the
Lord Chaecellor, and an explanation from the Earl of
Harrowby, the 13111 was read a second time.
PUBLIC WORKS IN INDIA.
Lord WFIARNCLIFFE then rose, in pursuance of
his notice; to move tor papers relating to public works
and internal improvements in India. As be believed
that the Noble Lord on the opposite benches who pre-
sided over the administration ot affairs in that country
concurred in the propriety of producing these papers,
aid ai he did nut believe that any other of their Lord-
ships would cee•ct to th, it production, he might perhaps
nave abstained from offering any remarks to their Lerd-
..eip.; but, oonside ring the nature and importance of
the aubj -et, he hoped that be might occupy the attention
of toe House for a short time white he explained the
grounds on which he made his motion, and the position
of the country which would be elucidated by acceding to
it. It had been said on a former evening by the Noble
Lad opposite (Lerd Brouehtoe), that the East India
Cempany were the trustees of the Crown for the benefit
of the people of India; and if that were true, he trusted
that he might add that the Legislature and the Crown
were also the trustees of Providence for their benefit.
Such being the case, and there being no question as to
the importance of the motion, he Must remind their
Lordships that in the year 1842 the live Sir R. Peel, in
proposing a plan tor the arrangement of the finances of
that pert of our empire, called the attention of the
House of Commons to the manner in which the condi-
tion of England was influenced by the flourishing or
depres.ed condition of the finances of India. He (Sir
R. Peel) spoke of the condition of India in a financial
point of view, but he (Lord Wharncliffe) should proceed
to view it as a greet social, moral, and commercial
question. He was justified in asking for these papers
on those grounds, but he had also other grounds for
requiring their production. The communications made
to Pailiament respecting the internal improvements of
India were singularly rare. There bad been an objec-
tion to proceed with any public works in that country
without the previous consent of the Government at
home, and the consequence had been that amid ail the
multiplicity of papers transmitted by the facials of the
East India Company to the directors at home, on com-
mercial, judicial, political, and military subjects, there
was only to be found one single paper, from 1834 to
1851, respecting public works. That in itself was a
sufficient reason for requiring further information. In
the time when the ancient dynasties of India ruled over
that vest empire, large canals and other works for
draining and irrigating the country existed in the
north-western provinces of India and near the sources
of the Juana and Ganges. It was a reproach to
the present Government of India, that such
works bad been allowed to fall into 'decay and ruin.
The Noble Lord referred to the canals which have been
constructed in India, and to the returns which they have
yielded, but in so low a tone of voice that it was impos
Bible to hear more than an occasional word. As to
roads, there appeared to be very few parts of _ India .in
which good practical roads existed, and where they did
they were often rendered useless by streams which there
were no regular means or crossing, so that the difficulty
of removing from one part of the country to anceher
was exceedingly great. The stoppage of internal traffi3
from the want of good roads and bridges was so
great that grain was sometimes sold at a famine prise
in one part ef.lndir, while a; another, not more than
300 miles distant, it was selling at the lowest conceivable
pace. Though the necessity tor grain in one place was
most urgent, and though it might be most abundant in
another; the want of the proper means of communication
rendered it impossible to supply the deficiency. It was
a singular fact that in Mysore the roads were in far bet-
ter condition generally than in any part of the British
territory. He contended that as a matter of principal
it was the day of the East India Company to proceed
as tar as it.posibly could in the execution of puolic
works in that. country, so as to dev..flope to the ut-
most ext‘int its great and growing resources. Of
course, the means of doing so mu.t dep.nsi very
much upon the state ot the Indian finances. He found
that trom theelose of the great Burm-se war down to
1838 there existed in the Indian Exchequer a eon-i-
-dyl-We surplus; u the years 1835-36 37, it amounted
t,) 3 470,000/. From that time to this, however, there
had been a Successien of military events by which the
company kiifirecesearily been driven into great expen-
diture, and in 1848 49 the surplus had been converted
int i a ti, ficiency (as wo understood) of 2,800,0001.
This state of matters was, no doubt, inimical to the con-
struction.' of public Work.; but, nevertheless, he could
net help thinking that much more ought to have been
done, sod that the cessation of public works had iu it-
self proved injurious to the Indian revenue. For the
last 20 years the revenue of the East India Company
had been 16,000,0001., making an amount ot 320.000,000 L
during that period, while the greatest sum expended by
them in any one year on Dublin works 'was 238,000/.
It was but. justice -to the- Indian Government to say,
however, that there were several -canals -now going on.
He trusted that the prospizt before them was better
than for some years past, that they would not have so
many military calls upon them as unfortunately had
,hseu thaesse;:and %lug therefore 1.123J-.F.40,1u51aC9114.!.
4bia -grate apot-Ibe- eziCati74' oP

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 2.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
The smeouments to the South Wales Railway (No. 1)
Bill were considered and agreed to.
TERRI) READINGS.
The following Bills were then read a third time and
passe„_

The Cork and Waterford Railway ; Great Northern
Railway (No. 2) ; Killarney Janction Railway ; Man-
chester Improvement ; Manche-ger Waterworks ; Mary-
port arid CarlialLr Railway ; Ulveraton and Lancaster
Railway'; Waterford and Kilkenny Railway, and
Wicklow Harbour.
The Newark-upon-Trent Improvement and Market
Bill was ordered to be re-committ,A.
NEW FOREST DEER REMOVAL, &c. BILL.
Ou the motion for the second readieg of this Bill,
Mr. G. BERKELEY moved that the Bill be read
second time this day six munths. He complained that
the measure would a, prive the poorer inhabitanta of the
forest of th.e rights 01 cosomonags to 20,000 acres.
Mr. COMP VON would not support the amendment.
but he suggested that various additions and alterations
should be made in Committee.
Lord SEYMOUR defended the Bill, and said it was
called for by the prest,nt circumstances of the New Forest.
The Rouse then divided. when there appeared—
For the second reading ...
Against it ... •••
_754
Majority
The Bill was then reacra second time, and ordered
to be committed.

PETITIONS.
Mr. REYNOLDS presented several petitions from
places in Ireland against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill.
Sir D. DUNDAS presented a petition from a place
in Scotland against Pepat aggression.
Mr. G. BERKELEY presented a petition, from Gioia-
Oetstershire, praying for au equal:zation of poor-rates.
Mr. MOORE presented petitions from the county of
Sligo against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill.
Mr. HEYWOOD presented a petition from Burnley,
praying for the repeal of taxes on knowledge.
mt. F. m4cxENZIEP4WaItA s PlitiC4l.l
'Penh'
FOAM 14741.11tireSSOU! _

public works in that country with inure vigour and
earnestness than hitherto had characterised the admi-
nistration of India, The Noble Lord concluded with
moving for peprs connected with the construction of
well's in India.
Lord BROUGHTON agreed with almost every word
that had fallen from the Noble Lord as to the impor-
tance of this question, and he thought the Noble Lord
had pursued the course which was best calculated to
produee the result he had in view. He had only done
justice to the East India Company when ho referred to
their intentions in this matter, though he (Lord Brough-
ton) was not prepared to say that on the whole more at-
tention might not have been paid by Indian Govern-
ments to the construction of public works. The Noble
Lord had stet d truly that during the course ot many
years, especially from 1837 to 1846, the East India Com-
pany was engaged in the most expensive wars, and 'that
therefore it was impossible for them with the same
earnestness to carry into effect any great works. But
even during those nine years of war the Government
of 'edia bad done very great things in that direction,
for he found a considerable sum annually expended
on public works. The Noble Lord had referred to
several works in progress and he would now state
more in detail the expenditure incurred in some of
those undertakings. On the Western Jungle
Canal, 425 miles in length, a sum of 352 0001.
had been expended ; the Eastern Jungle Canal. 160
miles, 194,0001.. and a canal in the Bengal Presi-
dency cost 552,000/. The Ganges Canal, 452 miles, with
a branch in ad lition, was calculated, when completed,
to cost 500,0001. In the Madras territory there were
works also in progress. The Tanjore Canal would cost
30,0001. In Sind() there had also been au outlay, though
not very large; and in the Punjaub the present Governor-
General had devoted 50,0001. a-year to the construction
of canals. Besides these works, which were of very
great importance, there had been the trigunemetricat
survey, costing 341,000/. As to the finances, the lar ,
balance-sheet presented to Parliament in February gave
a rather better account of the state of Indian affairs than
the Noble Lord seemed to suppose. The sketch esti-
mate for 1849-50 showed instead of a deficiency a surplus
of 70 000/. [Lord ELLENBOROUGH here made a remark
across the table 3 He. was quite aware that this was only
what was called " a sketch estimate," and he would not
say that at the end of the your the result was equal to
what the estimate held out; but, at any rate, the finan-
cial prospect was much more favourable than last year
they had tiny reason to expect. He had not only no ob-
jection to give the Noble Lord the papers he had moved.
for, but could do so with great pleasure.. In conclusion,
he would say that it signified little what bad been done
in times past, if they had the assurance that more would
be done in future; and he concurred entirely in the hope
expressed by his Noble Friend, that no more wars would
occur to interfere with those .measures that were neces-
sary fur the Improvement of India, and the development
of her resources.—(Hear.)
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH expressed his gra-
tification that the Nob`e Lord who had brought forwa,d
the motion, and who at au early period of life had given
his attention to the affairs of India, should still take an
interest iu these affairs. If in this. country it was essen-
tial to draw water cif the lend, it was essential in Vie
East to bring the water on the land for the production te.
any crop. It) England drainage might improve the soil,
but in the East that result was to be sought by means of
irrigation. He had never seen greater cause fur encou-
ragement than the statements of Lieutenant-Colonel.
Dickson with respect to the works constructed under the
direction of that gallant officer. He had been informed.
however, of the prejudicial effect which the Delhi Canal
(as we understood) exercised on the healds, of the
inhabitants residing in the neighbourhood. Coming in
contact with the chiefs, be had asked them what
was the effect of that canal on revenue and on
health, and, in answer, he had learned that while they
acknowledged a great improvement in the revenue, they
greatly deprecated its influence on the health of the
aloining districts. Lie moat be permitted to express
the apprehensions he entertained with respect to the
Gauges Canal, if it were 'to be executed in the way
proposed; and he wished to call attention to the ex-
tremely perilous character of the undertaking in at-
tempting to draw water from the Ganges at the point
intended. But there was another matter on which he
had also insisted, namely, that it should first be a canal
of navigation, and whatever surplus water there was
might be used for irrigation. He was satisfied that in
all cases where the formation of the country was such
as to render it possible to have tanks, it was better and
cheaper and more convenient to have a mode of irriga
Lion by them than by canals. Of late years there had
been great improvements made in the roads of India,
but such improvements went on slowly; the persons
who superintended their construction were engineer
officers, who were not only liable to have their attention
occasionally taken off that employment, bat among
whom there might be expected to exist such varieties
of industry and ability as would account for the
different progress made in the execution of works..
It would be with great satisfaction that the Noble
Lord at the head of the Board of Control would
hear the hope expressed of something like a surplus in
India. He (Lord Ellenborough) had at one time gone.
carefully over the accounts, but be did not see hie way
to a surplus, though the state of matters was very much
better than when he arrived in India. With respect to
railways, he would much rather that the Government of
India should, if it approved of their formation, dispense
altogether with the aid of speculators, and take the mat-
ter into its own hands. To that Government the estab-
lishment of railways must be a great benefit, as affording
facilities, not only for moving troops, but for bringing
raw produce to the sea. It a railroad could be formed
from Bombay to the cotton districts, and measures were
taken by the Government fur the improvement of cotton
in India, much would be done to secure the attainment
of one of the greatest objects this country could have in
view as connected with India; namely, iedependenCe of
America for a supply; but that cotton would not be
found in the British territory; it was to be found rather
in the territory of allied powers. Cotton was to this
country as food; and they could as little bear to have
the introduction of cotton interrupted as of food. He
had examined the subject on the spot; he had considered
it deeply ; be had sent home the result of his inquiries.
Let the Noble Lord read the answer, and he could not
wonder that he (Lord Ellenborough) felt disgust that
the efforts of a public servant should have been not only
met by captious obj, ctions, but by a sneer against him
for those very efforts,
The Earl or HARROW BY deprecated what he thought
the pitiful expenditure for the benefit uf. 100 000,000 '.f
British subjects in the Eels. There seemed to have
been from the beginning a radical dsfect in the Indian
Adminiqration: it was the primary duty of a patereto
Government to provide for the formation of road. arid
the extension of irrigation; and be contrasted the con-
duct of the Mehomedan conquerors, who had reckoned
it a first duty to at-tend to these matters, with that ot
their European successorr.
The motion was then agreed to.
The LORD CHANCELLOrt presented a Bill relating
to the regulation of charities, and deicribed it as being
.grounded on a report which would be laid on the table
to-morrow, and which would go to show the absolute
necessity of some B:11 of the kind.
The Bill was r' ad a first time.
" CLEOPATRA.'S NEEDLE."
The Marquis of WESTMEATH wished to inquire
what steps had been taken for obtaining possession o',
or for removing, the obelisk called " Cleopatra's
Needle," in consequence of the gift made to. George
IV. by the late. Pasha of Egypt in 1820?
Toe Noble Marquis adverted to the proposal made
fur its removal to this country at the end of
the campaign of 1801. The opinion of the late Sir,
Robert
,Peel expressed to himself was that it was
a monument which ought to be brought to Lon-
don and erected as a memorial of Sir Ralph Abercromby
and others who had fought and died in Egypt. The
late Sir G. Murray also stated that he joined with alt
his military and naval friends, who desired that the
obelisk should be brought to this country. Some ob
loquy had been thrown on the condition of this monu-
ment, under the impression that it was not of adequate
value to compensate for the trouble and expense or re-
moval. Perhaps the intrinsic value might not be much
but, as a monument and as a trophy, it had a value pe-
culiarly its own. .The -sculptures, he understood, were
in comparatively good preservation. He had called at-
tention to the subject solely at. the request of several
military and naval officers.
The Earl of CARLISLE sknowledged the importance
which attached to the obelisk, not merely as a memorial
of the ancient art of Egypt, but also as a monument of
British heroism. He had consulted with his Noble
Friend the First Lord of the Treasury, and inquiries
had been made on the subj. et. There were, he appre-
hended, some mechanical difficulties, and all he could
say was that the matter was still under oensideration.
The Bridges (Ireland) Bill was read a first time, and
their Lordebips adjourned at a Quarter to Eight o'clock,