The Sun.
London, England, 1833-08-28 00:00:00

THE ROYAL ASSENT.
qt‘iet4e:trizan: Hon.
eeolitehmebuershv,e-ras
efinttelrerußpltaeedk inßodh.,is
wshpoeecehumby:
I ° t'd the House to the House of Peer., to hear the Royal
0d the by commis,ion to some Bills. The Speaker
e Members present proceeded to the House of Lords
d'i'sh
their return, the Speaker read a list of the Bills. to
ech the il , 1 return,
r oya Assent had been given (for which see
4t
__
Beport.)
der • C° RETT then proceeded reading the petitiotn.
e;
1)1r which he stated, chat thoueh lie could not say all la
(L'egatiens in the petition were true, he believed them to
ZethreeatantillY true. It was monstrous to suppose that
,i, Canada of thousands of the public moneycouldbe stolen
that eha, ,'°a, hut he believed that such was the case,. from_a-
m t ne had seen in some of the colonies, but not in C.
ma'he illiae,hailresided nine years of his life in America,
teratn.t I witnessed the enormous plunders which was
;t1
his
ted.
It had been said that this petitioner was not
lienedatba'tight senses.—(Hear, hear.) It always hap-
'ffi eialfuuesdeerrewdahnedn any accusation was brought against any
the Ei,,Per''n, some immorality was found out against
theardtal- if he had ever committed an assault, or
into the bed of another man's wife, it was
thin. In't being brought out---(A laugh)—in answer to his
againstg"',
,But In, such accusations could be brought
iiilil ttaiii petitioner. Indeed he had strong testimonials
to
Whom he from 'Lieutenant Colonel Bye himself,
Re (ii ue was recommended by the Bishop of Quebec.
should FL' Cobbett) would r,-commend that this young man
Point u 7 "nt for at the Goverment expense, and then
What e--
P`' a Committee of this House, fairly chosen,.t.
mr.Pa_rtet ought to have their conduc.t.investigaileidr.
terg:TANLEY said that before tbe. petition from a
few
word,. Was laid on the table, he wished tio.
d to
the otd Re (Mr. S.) had applied, as was
.u.ssayntya,..e
to tie °'nee for such information as they might be
..bi
tin'itr%ltiri he was afraid Mr. Burgess was labolubleienng
4 certiaele mental delusion, inasmuch as there ha,
exineitTe furnished by the medical gentlemen who
.had
°Oder —l'l4') and they certified that lie was labouring
tiey thlnebtal delus:on, and he (Mr. Stanley) was sorryete
the „lit that mental delusion was caused by intemPeranthe
ilea, oaf
at present was to show the House and
iatesti et,ltlemen opposite, that so far as inquiry and
of, iptinit went, Mr. Burgess had nothing to complain
t' the 1.4 1826, Illr. Burgess was appointed engineer.n
he s. he
of 1830,' without assigning any reason
telp.teeested an intention of resigning the situation i
lett,,, Ris resignation was not then accepted, but ind thefor
neglect Cod of the mouth of March he was removde
made
r:yet of duty. He then returned to Englandd
iann
come.
tree,,ennlaleints before the Ordnance,. an .
Ners-e°f these complaints, the strictest investigation was
litre,44ta°t:n.. the subject. In September 1831, on the re-
Wts hid.'" of this very Mr. Burgess that his presence
eiftn. HiPensable that he alone could furnish the docu-
It tribunal
that he alone could lay all the information !before
P. 'luau] n •
of Inquiry was appointed at
-sead i a Committee . ,
to ha' and Mr. Burgess was paid all his expenses out
spot, at Places in order that he might be on the
Plee, h.," An
Mr. Bu investigation was then about t? ta e
th en r ess suddenly made a complaint that
ttia,Vrt was not an open Court, and that they did not
tod Without saying a word Mr. Burgess suddenly de-
Lee , His brother had also been brought from Que-
-114 c.tpte expense ef the Government, and on the. eve of
all, deenleg brought before the Committee of Inquiry, he
the reaniPed. A very long report had been made by
there -unitnissioners, which consisted of 160 folios, and
teittre,Were four volumes of evidence which were trans.V to the Ordnance, and the Master-General of the
ted"lllee carefully went through the whole of it,
Leta Which, if the Honourable Member for Old-
t,
I: Wished to see, he was perfectly at liberty
llete,aci (torn the beginning to the end. Independent of
t,"e'nquiry, the whole matter of the Rideau land had al-
o,Y been the sbject of two allßurgess's clai searching Cmmittees of
ti, ' 'rY With u
respect to Mr. aim for money
43eY hold a little on the wrong side of the account; the
uCencin Mr. Bur
k_rdnane would be very
'happy to have an opportunity of
g gesss account whenever lie should
t7ll)lear in this country.dt
due teem
Ordnance account stood
ti-.--There was a b
trom
tle Ordnance to hi
end his brother of eight pounds, and there was a debt set
Isinet him, due to the Ordnance of ninety-one
I)°, aads. But lie being iu the United States,
t4W,as rather difficult to proceed against. him for it ;_bnu-t
ttee event of his ever coming to this country, Mr. Br
01e4itdalqt rely upon it that the first step the ordnance
hie, take, would be to arrest him for the 911. due from
h—totheordnance and then it would be be brought beforef
anal
tribunal instead of a Committee of the House o
1; ',''.----(Hear, and laughter.)
the ere. e'°IIRETT said he held in his hand a letter, dated
tithe"'" November, 1829, from Colonel Bye, approving
na for man's conduct, and stating that he admired
underget,'""nherness and integrity ; so that he. must 'nave
Within ae a "n'Plete revolution of character in every thing
the Ron' ~.,YerY Short time. He (Mr. Cobbett) believed
4escribe-d. rntleman was. deceived by those who had
lat to ti., ,-,41e situation d character of this young man.
the Ilan k'onrt of Inquiry
as he in'Pentlernan held in Canada, he only wished
IhnairdY seen such colonial managem;inrt
turg„:" Witnessed for eight years of his life. If
one .
lletit nib.nwed 801. or 90/, he would pay the
opinionm wyas,
the l' °wllpocket, but his (Mr. C.) firm
d dared
net brio °rnance dared not face Mr. Burgess, an
Pleated bira to England. The House would do as they
thee,h , e had discharged his duty in the manner he
Inel t nest, and the House would dischargeits duty,he
OA° doubt in the manner it thought best.
%10SARULARY FORCE OF WESTMINSTER.
Which 'lel EVANS after making a few observations,
114, ge7aare not distintly heard in the gallery, upon Mr.
hking -tenttaei said he weuld take that opportunity of
e e , ne Noble Lord (Althorp) opposite whetheretion
he il'lldld now give him any answer to a que
I.4,,tive tLe., Put to him some short time since re-
eee i ,'" the constabulary force of Westminster.
that tnhuahitants considered it a great hardship on t ion
Police aY Should have to pay not only their share to the
Pay n,°l the u.etro olis but also that they should have to
titllWrt of the expenseP' for Whitechapel and other pa-
-61.1-1
They considerd it a great hardship, and he had
he d'i,,.° it'lt Whether they might hope it could in future
Lo'l_,enseel With,
the kg, ALTH°RP said, inquiries had been made upon
Celo-I,4?et, but he ld 'ot answer positively the Gallant
the. ia„l,l3.(ltiestion and thnerefore i.t would be vain to excite
it,
tholeauttants hopes, by holding out any expectations
Color,
e 4 ,
tiP hies' EVANS expressed his determination to follow
Aft; ',natter with further inquiry next session.
thei, or it few words from Mr. EWART, the petition was
A :de re(' to lie on the table.
Ptset;,...""ge from the Lords, contrary to the usuianl
ehati4c'ee; hnving been brought up by only one blaster
LordsnfY, and Mr. Courtenay, the Clerk of the
.Housel.
ttopi ,in the absence of those messengers ordinar y
`led for that purpose,
aIthbd,,LTHORP moved that the message be
.received,
the Q.-84 brought up in an unusual form, trusting that
ell.'"iA I no
f4t 'eale might ebe drawn into a precedent for the
The laugh.) h. )
lON roetisaa, announced that
11'4 e,„,!. the following Bills, without amendments :
the rlitt of Chancery Regulation, the Infirmaries Ireland,
I _t4 Ile'," Ireland, the Civil List Charges, the Merchant.
s'atiri' wages, the Chancery Offices Regulation, the
tr,he 1111:1.4 Commission,s' the Bank-notes Stamp Duties,
'O, tisaii:'ngham Palace, Edinburgh Annuity, and the
etne dated Fund Bills. Also to the Tithe Composition,
~"04, ~"' Charter, the Tea Duties, the Factories Regula-
'lila ''', Court of Exchequer, and the Church Building
e with . •
ee ~ certain amendments, to
i,orenee of that House.
aeientr ALT
it HORP moved that the Ilouse agree to the
kerel,-ent4 in, the Tithe Composition Act. They were
I,‘ledtre•verhali with an exce tion which referred to the
'ln. 4 ot111;45 °f 25 Per cent. forP the tithes of 1831 and 1832,
1,) 44 al, 1, Per cent• for the tithes of 1833 ;
and confined
tstiltaiZteation to those who were nut the original de-
The
lop
„Ve le‘ndixtents were then agreed to,
. ~
oily of ltittinYtAiNc sacl. he wiebed to take tnas opportu;
teh is opinions upon the varieus measures of
aeust34 Reform that had been brought forward during the
thetn.. Ie had not gone deep into the details of any ofi
tiered' hat that which was then before them, he cons -f
tnglittAtnere mockery of reform, and as the people o
the ii.ll`i were
now called upon to pay 1,000,0001. towards
that te.ln Church, he nusted they would soon find out
Inent—o/Ylwere the real sufferers through the bad govern-
°, Ireland
ettd thenaen
ans nsotion of Lord ALTHORP; the Lords'
ts e
aeries Bill, 0 the Bank Charter Bill, the Stamp For-
taf tz , the Tea Duties, Bill, the Dower Bill, the Court
lanmeinuer Bill, the Roman Catholic Marriages (Ire-
Air.l'li‘lsti and the Church Building Act, were agreed to.
wiget,
t'',ekltßUßTON then rose to ask the question of
money." had given notice, relative to the Deccan prize
Nob!, lie said the question lie wished to ask of the
Lord was, whether after the important disco-
fund,
t° give
the Treasury would
6, Which had taken place with regard to that
0i
g`ve the parties a regular i°
t think. it fit
oiNsuty itself, or it might be r hearing,f either atc the A
, . e er.red to the our
Le ref."'raity, or to a special commission. The facts
erred to were tbeee...on the 221 of June, 1825)

a letter vu addressed, by the trustees, to the Treasury,
recommending the manner i❑ which they would recom-
mend the distribution of the money to take place, and
pointing out certain facts which they thought they bad
found out during their investigation. On the 14th Sept.
following they wrote another letter to the Treasury,
stating, that on reconsid ring the case, they wished to
withdrawn the first letter, and to substitute another of a
very different nature, in fact altogether at variance with
that of the 22d June. When the case came to be argued
before the Treasury in 1826, the substituted letter was
referred to on the part of the counsel for the Crown,
but the whole of the information was withheld
from the parties.—(Hear, hear.) The trustees were
present at the argument and were in possession of the
facts stated both in the original and published letter. The
latter document had been completely falsified, inasmuch as
a most important paragragh was struck out. Other do-
cuments of a most important nature, which were in pos-
session of the Marquis of H istings, bad been withheld from
the other party, and if such irregular proceedings were
allowed to go on, the whole of the judicial
inquiry which had been instituted would be of no avail.
The Hon. Member therefore wished to know whether it
was the intention of the Treasury to divide the money
before another hearing was given to those parties who hail
been deprived of that information to which they were
clearly entitled. If the parties were allowed to be heard,
they would be enabled to point out many errors,
and to adduce such reasons as he (Mr. W.) hail no doubt
would induce Ministers to postpone the distribution of the
money. The Hon. Member then concluded by moving
an address to his Majesty, that the petitions of Generals
Hislop and Smith be referred again to the Privy Council.
Colonel EVANS had very great respect for the inten-
tions of the Hon. Member, but he must protest against
the adoption of the course advocated by that Hon. Mem-
ber, who seemed to argue the case as that of a Chancery
suit and a matter of private property, without any reference
whatever to the public. If that course should be adopted,
be (Colonel Evans) would venture to say that the distri-
bution of the money would be delayed for ten years longer.
The lion. Member hail alluded to the recent and impor-
tant discoveries which bad been made in regatd to
the correspondence, but he (Col. Evans) did not believe
those discoveries were of any great importance, so far as
the great body of the captors were concerned. He re-
spected the great services of Generals Hyslop and Smith,
but there was a numerous class of more humble captors,
who ought to be considered. If the proposition were ac-
ceded to, it would entirely defeat the objects of the public
with regard to prize property. He did not believe there
was any reason to suppose the Government wished to
act partially in this matter, but they had cer-
tainly acceded too easily to individual importunity.
He would earnestly request the Treasury would decide the
question without any further judicial proceedings what-
ever, for he was convinced that the great body of the
surviving captors—for vast numbers of them are dead—
would be perfectly content with whatever decision the
Government would come to. If the suggestions of the
Hon. Member (Mr. Warburton) were acceded to, a law
might as well be made by which parties should know
they could not receive prize money until they had sustained
a long Chancery Suit.
Mr. CRAWFORD concurred in what had fallen from
the Hon. and Gallant Officer, and lie hoped that no fur-
ther delay would take place in the distribution of the
money. _

Lord ALTHORP said the House was aware that the
papers relating to this question had been laid upon the
table, and it was his intention to apply himself to the
substantial merits of the question. It was necessary,
however, that, to a certain extent, he should make himself
master of those papers before he could possibly give any
direct answer to the question put by the Hon.
Member opposite. The Privy Council, as had been stated,
had referred the matter to the Treasury, who had to
decide whether they should think it their duty to hear
the case argued before them, or act upon the former
decisions.—( Hear, hear, hear.) But it was impossible
for him at present to say which might be the better course
until he had time to examine the papers now before the
House. Up to the present moment he had not had that
opportunity. Now, however, he should have more
time, and he should certainly endeavour to make himself
master of the case, and he hoped that in the mean time,
this statement being satisfactory, he might have the con-
fidence of the House that the Treasury, whatever steps
they might take, were determined to come to a fair and
impartial conclusion.—(Hear, hear.)
A person from the India House brought up the Com-
pany's instructions to the Governor-General in Council
of Bengal for 1832.

Lord PALMERSTON laid upon the table certain
papers relative to British Consuls, which were ordered to
be printed.

FOREIGN AFFAIII3.

Mr. T. ATTWOOD rose for the purpose of asking a
question or two respecting the foreign policy of the country,
which he was anxious to have answered, as far as the
Noble Lord could, consistently with his public duty,
develop the plans of his Majesty's Government.
He was rejoiced at the course which Government
had at last adopted towards Donna Maria—(Hear,
hear)—but, in other respects, he must say that
he was much dissatisfied with the general policy pursued
by Government, for many years past, in relation to Spain,
Italy, Turkey, and Poland. With regard to Portugal,
however, he was satisfied with what had now taken place,
and he could not but express a hope, that with regard to
Poland and Turkey, Government would soon adopt
such measures as the honour and interests of
this country imperatively demanded.—(Hear.) With
regard to Turkey he would merely remark, that it was
generally believed that Russia had gone so far as to raise
threats towards England, if she interfered and granted as-
sistance to Turkey. He wished to put two or three ques-
tions which he ahoped the Noble Lord would answer.
The first question was whether the Noble Lord was aware
of the existence of a treaty lately entered
into between Holland and the United States of America,
which he understood was very ominous to the interests of
England ? Secondly, he wished to know what where the
reasons which induced Government, in August last
year, to refuse assistance to Turkey, wl,ich had been
asked by the Porte ? Thirdly, Whether the Noble
Lord was really aware of the offers made to
England on that occasion by the Pacha of Egypt, which
he understood were of a very extraordinary character.
4th, what was the object of Lord Durham's late mission
to Russia, and with what success it was attended? And
lastly, as Count Orloff was soon afterwards sent over to
England, what reception be bad met with at his Majesty's
Court?

Lord PALMERSTON expressed his surprise at the
very copious bill of fare which bad been served
up to him by the Honnurable Member.--(Hear, hear.)
He hoped that Honourable Gnetlemen would not consider
it any want of courtesy or respect to him personally, if he
(Lord P.) should be obliged from public duty to decline an-
swering some of the questions that had been proposed. With
regard to the first question he had no official knowledge of
any treaty lately concluded between Holland and the United
States, so that he could give no information upon that
subject. With respect to the arcond point, the reasons
which induced Government not to comply with

the request made by the Porte for Naval
assistance, he was happy to correct an
error as to dates. He was reported to have said on a
late occasion that that request had been made in
the month of August last year—he said, however, in
autumn last year.—(Hear.) In fact, it was in the
month of October that the application was made. With-
out giving any very det tiled explanation of the matter, he
would only remind the House that when we were embark-
ing in naval operations in thrNorth Sea, and on the coast of
Holland, and were under the necessity of keeping up an-
other naval force on the coast of Portugal, and without
an application to Parliament, it would have been impos-
sible to have sent to the Mediteranean such a squadron as
would have served the purpose of the Porte, and at the same
time have comported with the naval dignity of this coun-
try, and as Parliament was not then sitting, it was im-
possible for Government to acquiesce in the request made
by the Sultan. He could assure the Hon. Member, that
if any person imagined that among other motives
which influenced the conduct of his Majesty's Govern•
ment, there was any thing like a threat on the part
of Russia, they were entirely mistaken. On the
contrary, it was but justice that he should state,
that so far from Russia having expressed
any jealousy as to Government granting that
assistance, the Russian Ambassador officially coin-
tnunicated to him (Lord P.) while the request
was still under consideration, that he had learned such
au application had brew made, and that from the interest
taken by Russia in the maintenance and preservation of
the Turkish empire, it would afford satisfaction if they
could find themselves able to comply with the request.
Wit regard to there having been any communication with
the Pacha of Egypt, the Hon. Gentleman had not explained
to what he alluded, therefore, the House would excuse
him from saying more than that as it was a war against a
Sovereign by a subject, and that the Sovereign was in
alliance with the Kilg of England, it would have been
inconsistent with good faith to have had any comtnunic ation
with him—therefore nothing could pass between them
with reference to the hostilities. Then, with respect to
the mission of Lord Durham, great misapprehension had
prevailed on that subject,—the person who was milldam-