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thoir determination not to take the men but ttatil del
haft 93 •eded from the union. Himself and his partner had
refused to accede to Mr. Browne's notification ; they sent
copies of the declaration to their men, and all of theirs, to
the number of 200, had signed it. (Cheers.) Th • foreman
also signed it, and all• the clerks, with the exception of
one, who had been immediately dismissed. (Hear. )
Mr. SLAVOHTEE regretted that t ivre • . be any
discussion on the present• occasion, because the eves no
Merely of the nation but of all Europe were watching the
proceedings- of the meeting, and he trusted that the gentle-
man would, on consideration, withdraw his amendment.
Mr. PLAcE said E, had not heard a single word fall
from any gentleman who had spoken that could at all in-
duce him to alter his original opinion, and he should there-
fore persist in his amendment, and divide upon it.
Mt. HonciEs said, that as the seconder of the amend-
ment, he begged to ask whether any gentleman present
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would, if he were placed in a similar situation to the
journeyman, sign such a iij;laration? ( Loud cries of °‘ Yes.")
An individual here asked sv:;ther the minority were to
be botind by the decision of the major".4l' ? (Cries of‘
yes, of course.")
The CHAIRMAN said he hoped the gentletrr-4 present
would recollect the great difficulty they would labOui.`zuder
by a tiivts,, n. He nad the names. of S' gentlemei
before him, who had agreed either by their presence or
by amplification afterwards, to sign the resolutions ;
and it was therefore important that they should know the
names of those who dissented on this great question ; the
declaration appeared to him of the utmost importance, and
the utrnGt latitude had been given. It had been stated to-
day, as they had all heard, that several workmen who were
about being employed, had no objection to acknowledge
that they were not members of the trade union, but the mo-
ment the test was put to them, they refused to sign it, and when
the question was pressed home, they admitted they had
told a deliberate falsehood. Therefore he thought it was
extremely proper that every man who entered a shop
should be compelled to &ivn a declaration. He hoped that
the gentleman would be induced to withdraw his amend-
mend. .

lr. PrAcE said that he had no particular wish to press
it to a division, if he, and those who coincided with him,
were allowed to enter their protest against that portion of
the report which related to the signing of the declaration
by the foreman and workmen.

The CHAIRMAN said there could be no objection to
that, and that of course it would he open for any gentle-
man who wished to support it to do so.
It was ultimately agreed that there should be a division,
and the question having been put by the chairman, it ap-
peared there were,
For the original motion
For the Amendment

Majority in favour of the report 524
The gentlemen who voted for the amendment were
Messrs. Place, Blake, Stukey, John Scafe, Wyatt, Bourne,
Hodges, and Ellis.
The CHAIRMAN then declared the original motion car-
ried, and stated that he was very glad that the meeting
had manifested such patience, however much they might
have differed from some of those who had addressed them.

Mr. ScAFE denounced the proceedings of the meeting in
regard to those who stood up against the resolution as
tyrannical. (Loud marks of disapprobation.)
The CHAIRMAN said he would not attempt to ;ilfluence
the votes of any person by telling the meeting of the very
honourable conduct which had been exhibited, but he
could say that many tradesmen would rather shut up their'
shops than it should be said of them that they had acted
contrary to the general body. (Hear.) Ile declared
that he had done nothing whatever to influence any per-
son's vote. Mr. Scafe had said that he had acted ty-
rannically (A cry of " Only in your mode of dividing
the room"); in that respect he did not know how
he could have acted better. (Hear.) To show that
the committee were extremely anxious to retain the good
opinion of all, and to do all they could to promote the ge-
neral cause, it was desirable that the meeting should, by
their own spontaneous act, appoint Mr. Hunter a
member of the committee. (Hear, hear.) That
gentleman had a proposition to make, which he could
bring before the committee first, without now detaining the
meeting 2or 3 hours longer in discussion. As to himself.
he (the chairman), had unfortunately nothing to do, (a
laugh) but as he had been upon this business ever
since four o'clock this morning, Mr. Hunter had better
bring forward his proposition on another occasion.
A GENTLEMAN asked if Mr. Hunter would make his
men sign the declaration? (Hear.)
CHAIRMAN—We will take care of that.

Another GENTLEMAN said Mr. Hunter was well known
to many of them, and he trusted that whether the vote
was for or against him, he would vote with the great body
of the committee. (Hear.)
Mr. Hunter's name was then added to the committee.
On the motion of Mr. M'ALLAw, the thanks of the
meeting were unanimously, and with three cheers, voted to
the chairman and the committee.

The CHAIRMAN said it was very grateful to the com-
mittee to receive the approbation of the meeting. That
approbation indeed could not have been more marked than
by the manner in which the report had been received.
The committee were actuated by the same motives which
had induced them at first to undertake their very arduous
and onerous duties, not only for the best interests of the
trade, but for the best interests of society. (Cheers. )
The meeting then broke up.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

THIS DAY, TUESDAY, MAY 27.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock.
The Chippenham (Wilts) Lighting Bill, the Stafford-
shire Roadßill, theMyrthyr Tydvil Small Debts Bill, and
the Holditch and Gedney Improvement Bill, were read a
third time and passed.
Sir C. LEMON presented a petition from Penzance in
favour of a clause in the Poor Law Amendment Bill for the
suppression of vagrancy.
Mr. BLACKBURNE presented a petition from Wal-
lingford against dissenters' claims.
Mr. BROCKLEHURST presented petitions from
Bolton and other places for a committee to inquire Into
the cause and cure of intemperance ; and one from Sut-
ton for the better administration of the poor laws.
Col. TORRENS supported the petition from Bolton.
Colonel WILLIAMS supported that from Sutton.
Mr. COBBETT said it was excessively stupid to send
up petitions for the suppression of drunkenness. The
people always drunk, and formerly much more than they
did now, and it was perfect nonsense to bother the house
to make laws which they could not pass. (Hear. )
Mr. DUNDAS presented a petition from the Friendly
Society of York for an amendment of the Society Act ;
and one from the same place for the suppression of drun-
kenness ; also one, signed by 4,000 persons in York, in
favour of the Dorchester convicts.

Mr. LYSTER presented a petition from Bradford
I against intemperance.
Sir R. WALLACE presented a petition from Leith
for a reform in legal courts, so as to facilitate justice and
diminish expense ; and another from Annan to the same
effect ; one from the Provost of Greenock and authori-
ties, praying that copies of returns laid before the house
may be sent to them free of expense ; and one from Edin-
burgh in favour of the Dorchester convicts.
Mr. B. THOMPSON presented a petition from
Market-Whiting (York) against the penal laws affecting
property.
Mr. G. W. WOOD presented a petition from a place
in Lancashire against the Poor Law Amendment Bill, and
one against the Receipt Stamp Act from the same county.
Mr. J. BULWER presented a petition from Exeter
against the proposed bill for the abolition of Church rates.
Mr. DIVETT supported the petition.
Mr. FIELDEN presented a petition from Oldham,
against the poor law amendment bill.
Mr. COBBETT said the great objection to this bill
was, that the commissioners were to have unlimited
powers, and to be independent of all control. The house
ought to have another document before it besides the
report of the commissioners, before the bill advanced
a step further, and that document was the in-
structions given tp the barrister who drew up the
bill. (Hear, hear.) He understood, from authority
which he could not doubt, that such a principle as this
was introduced into those instructions—" It is necessary by
degrees to accustom the labourers of England to coarser
food than they at present live upon." The noble lord de-
nied that such a principle was in the bill, but if it was not
'of drunkenness, and
mentioned in the bill, the bill gave the commissioners
_bye petitions were
waenred
powers to enforce it. He should oppose the bill at every step.
I'P:ern:hi:l the vice of
Mr. BUCKINGHAM bad to present eleven petitions
from various places, on the subjeOt
praying for the appointment of a select committee to in-
quirefrom Paisley, Dromore, Dungannon, Auchtermuty,
Manchester, and other places, and were signed by
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6,000 persons. The hon. member cordially concurred in
into the causes of itsaliwncrayea:
drunkenneu, but
still he had strong objections to persons coming to that
house and calling for further legislative measures to re-
press it. Ile was satisfied that the laws for the punish-
ment of drunkenness were already sufficiently severe.
ethxe.l%iniprpr.aleyc:er(d)oißsfeStLEe
He defied any man to say that he had ever seen him (Mr.
Cobbett) drink anything stronger than milk (a laugh),
anal he could show letters of thanks from 1,000 families,
expressing in the warmest terms their gratitude to him for
having by his writings reclaimed so many young men from
the pernicious vice of drunkenness.
Sir G. STRICKLAND supported the petitions.
Mr. BROTHERTON also concurred in the prayer of
the petition, and observed that, in his opinion, the vice of
drunkenness had been originally the cause of the fall of
man. For the last 2 years he had been a water-drinker,
and he had felt the greatest benefits from it.
The petitions were then ordered to lie on the table.
The SPEAKER left the chair at three o'clock.

Mr. Charles 'Wesley, the celebrated organ;st,
died at a very advanced age on Friday last.