The Sun.
London, England, 1851-02-22 00:00:00

THE SUN,

preached in a surplice, and neither collect nor Lord's
Prayer were used before it, but only an invocation, In
the name of the Fath,r, Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
The sacrament also was intoned and altogether administered
in such a mode as to prevent many of the memorialists from
attending it. It was signed by 450 inhabitants of the
parish, and transmitted to the Bishop of London with an in-
timation that certain of the parishioners wished to wait on
his Lordship and give hiln further information on the sub-
ject. The information was that the incumbent
of this district had been in the habit of attending the Roman
Catholic Chapel in King William-street, Strand. He (Sir
B. Hall) considered this so grave a charge that he was un-
willing to make it unless the gentleman who had informed
him consented to commit it to wr.ting, and authentieate it by
his own signature, which had been done. The answer which the
Bishop of London gave was, that hehad remonstrated with Mr.
Murray on the subject without avail, and to a further com-
munication, he replied that he was about to take some
general steps for the prevention of such practices,
which would, however, take some time to develop.
The Archbishop of Canterbury had also stated, that he had
warned the clergy of another diocese ten years ago, against
such practiees. The question, then, which he wised to ask'
the Noble Lord was, whether the bishops and archbishops
of the Church were about to take any steps for the purpose
of suppressing these practices, against which, as they said,
they had preached for ten years; or were they to leave it
to the laity to take those step,, for the purpose of fulfilling
those duties which the ecclesiastics of the Church had
neglected ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL—With reference to the statement
of mj Hon. Friend who has just sat down, I have to state to
the abouse that I have been in communication with the Bishop
of London and the Archbishop of Canterbury, in order to as-
certain what the facts of the case really are.—(Hear, hear.)
With respect to the Bishop of London, I am enabled to state
that he informed me that his attention had been drawn
more than once to the manner in which the public worship
in St. Andrew's Church is conducted, and that he has been
fully informed of the feelings of the inhabitants.—(Hear,
hear.) He informs me that he is at all times willing to
give effect to the rubric, and to attend to the feelings of the
inhabitants of any district, in order to regulate the habits of
the clergymen who minister in their churches, and
that at all times he was anxious to render
the mode of worship in conformity with those
feelings.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the Archbishop
of Canterbury, I am informed by his Grace that he has al-
ways desired, and that the Bishops have always desired, that
the practice of the clergy should be at all times so arranged
that the predilections of the laity shall be carefully, at least
so far as reasonable, regarded.- The Archbishop states to
me that he does not think that any alteration of
the law is necessary, or that any interference of this
House or of the Legislature is at the present moment re-
quisite. But the law is such, he says, that there is great
difficulty in reaching cases such as those bis Hon. Friend
had brought before the House. Although, however, no im-
mediate change may bring any advantage, some alteration
is evidently necessary.—(Hear, hear.) I hope my Hon.
Friend will understand that we do not contemplate any al-
teration of the Liturgy of the Church of England—(Loud
cries of" Hear")—but what we want is some greater or
better means of carrying the law into effect.—(Hear, hear.)
In one case not less than 3,0001. was spent, in order to reach
such a case as this, and icy Hon. Friend and the House may
be assured that no efforts will be left untried to remedy the
mischief.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. A. HOPE regretted that the Noble Lord had de-
scended from his high position to answer a question respecting
the character of a private gentleman, whose character he felt
called upon to vindicate. Mr. Murray bad been accused of at-
tending a Roman Catholic place of worship. The fact was, that
Mr. Murray had only attended the chapel five times, and
then only for the purpose of controversial preaching.—
( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Baronet and the Noble Lord would
be surprised to hear that their friend Dr. Cumming was pre-
sent at the same time.—(Loud and ironical cheers.) Mr.
Hope then read a friendly letter from the Bishop of London
to Mr. Murray, promising to attend to his case as soon as he
had leisure. But between Feb. 20, 1850, and Feb. 21, 1851,
no further communication had been received.
Mr. REYNOLDS protested against the introduction of
this subject, and complained of the Hon. Baronet importing
into his _remarks the uncalled-for expressions of B
heurnis hadh ehad
rror
and Rom,.sh practices.—(Hear, hear.) Since
the honour of a seat in the House he had not only ab-
stained himself from mooting questions connected with
the affairs of the Protestant Church, but he had induced
other Roman Catholic Members to follow his example.—
(Hear, hear.) It seemed to him that the Hon. Baronet
wished to convert the British House of Commons intohe a
polemical debating club, but he hoped in future
would leave the Pretestant Church to the care of
its two archbishops, its 24 bishops, and 15,000 ecclesiastics,
who had the guarantee of the CrOwn for maintainin
Hg
on. the in-
tegrity of their creed. - (Hear, hear.) Unless the Ba-
ronet did so, he was afraid the House would degenerate into
a Praise-God-Barebones Parliament, and bfcome a scandal in
the eyes of Europe.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME said his Hon. Friend had done nothing more
than introduce a complaint of the laity of Marylebone, who
had complained to the Bishop about the conduct of their
clergyman, but they could get no satisfaction or redress from
him, although twelve months had elapsed since they first
complained, and therefore they had no other alternative but
to come to this House.—( Hear.)
Sir R. H. INGLIS t hought Hon. Gentlemen would best con-
sult the interest of the Protestant Church by abstaining from
bringing such questions as these before the House, which
was firstly not competent to inquire into them, and even if
it was it, secondly, had not the ability to decide theta.

TEIE HUNGARIAN REFUGEES.
Lord DUDLEY STUART rose amidst loud cries of " Ques-
tion, and Oh," to ask the indulgence of the House for a
few minutes. He was compelled to take this
course, in consequence of some other person having
neglected his duty. He wished to put a question
to the Noble •Lord the Secretary of State for
Foreign Affairs.—(Laugbter.) It would be in the recollec•
tion of the House he made a motion on the 7th of February
last for certain papers relating to the treatment of the Hun-
garian refugees.—(Hear.) He withdrew that motion in
consequence of the Noble Lord having promised to produce
the papers to which it referred. The session closed, and
the papers were not forthcoming. He spoke to the Noble
Lord again and again on the subject, and even ventured to
say that it was too bad—(Laughter)—and the Noble Lord
replied to me, "it is too bad."—(Continued laughter.)
On a subsequent occasion, when he went to the Noble
Lord and complained of the continued delay, he
told him that he could not but feel angry at his conduct—
and what was his answer? That if he (Lord Palmerston)
were in his situation, he would be angry too.—(Great
laughter.) Under these circumstances, he begged to ask the
Noble Lord whether he considered this respectable treatment,
not of an individual Member who was a sincere, ardent,
though humble supporter of the cause of Hungary—but of
the House, when he had unfulfilled his engagement to pro-
duce these papers ?
Lord PALMERSTON said that he was quite willing to
acknowledge that his Noble Friend had a claim upon him
for the promise which he had made. He also was quite
ready to acknowledge that which he had acknowledged to
him in private, that upon their non-appearance he had a right
to be angry. But if he knew how great had been the pres-
sure of matters which had prevented him from bringing for-
ward those papers he would be induced to extend to him in-
dulgence. However he should make a point of producing the
papers on an early day in the next week.
MINISTERIAL CRISIS.
POSTPONEMENT OF THE BUDGET.
On the motion for going into Committee of Ways and
Means,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL rose to move that the Committee
should be postponed until Monday. He would then state
the reasons for this request.
Mr. BERRIES wished to know whether it was intended
positively to proceed with the Committee on Monday?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he could not state positively.
On Monday night he would state the reason for the request,
and the course which he meant to take.
The remaining orders of the day were then disposed of,
and the House adjourned.