The Sun.
London, England, 1834-08-05 00:00:00

DISSENTERS.

The Earl of RADNOR stated that it was his intention, at
an early period of the next session, to bring forward a motion
for fixing the period at which persons should be called on to
subscribe to the 39 Articles, and to take the Oath of Supre-
macy.
After a desultory conversation, in which Lord Seagrove,
the Marquis of Salisbury, the Bishop of London, and the
Lord Chancellor took part, clause 19 was struck out on the
recommendation of the Noble and Learned Lord.

The 20th clause was agreed to.
The 31st clause having been moved,
Lord KENYON said that the operation of the clause would
be to throw the paupers of the rural populations in many cases
into the workhouses of towns ; a measure not at all likely to
improve the morals of the people. Upon the bringing up of
the report, or upon the third reading, he should move an
amendment to prevent this effect.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that these minute
matters must be left in the hands of the Commissioners, or one
half of the object of the Bill would be defeated.

Lord WYR FORD said that unless some restriction were
put upon this mixture of the rural pauper population with that of
cities, a very great injury would be done to the morals of the
country.
The Bishop of LONDON thought it would be advantage-
ous to the children of paupers to be separated for a time from
their parents. This, in fact, was done in some of the best-
regulated charities in the country ; but, of course, the parents
consented to the separation. It was no more than reasonable
that if the parish were burdened with the support of the chil-
dren, they should also have the disposal of them.
After a few words from Lord EL LENBOROUG H, the
clause was agreed to.
The 56th clause, the last of the postponed clauses, was
agreed to.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that their Lordships
had now disposed of the postponed clauses, and the next thing
they would have to consider were the additional clauses.
The Earl of FALMOUTH said that he had an amendment
to propose to the bastardy clause.
The Marquis of SALISBURY said that it was also the
intention of his Right Rev. Friend (the Bishop of Exeter) to
bring forward a proposition for altering that clause.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that what the Noble
Earl and the Right Rev. Prelate seemed to want was that a
penalty, a pecuniary penalty, should be imposed upon the father
of the child. He (the Lord Chancellor) did not think such a
course adviseable, and for the reason that a pecuniary penalty
of either 201. or any other sum, could have no other effect than
that of giving the parish officers an interest to force the man
to marry the woman. This pecuniary obligation on the part
of the father was one of the greatest defects in the present
Poor Laws, and, that being his opinion, he could not concur
in any such proposition.
The Earl of FALMOUTH said that what he wished was
that the man should be liable to punishment as well as the
woman. If their Lordships objected to a money punishment
he hoped some other penalty would be inflicted on the man.
They should recollect the severity of the punishment which
they proposed, certainly indirectly, imposing upon the woman.
They told her that she must work her fingers to the bone for
the support of her illegitimate offspring, or else submit to in-
carceration in the workhouse. But God forbid the Legislature
should inflict upon the unfortunate female so grievous a penalty,
while her hardened seducer was let off scot free. He was not
now speaking of women of notoriously abandoned character,
but of young girls of sixteen or seventeen years of age, who
had been trepanned from the paths of virtue by the wily seducer.
—( Hear.) He would be satisfied if the Noble and Learned
Lord (the Lord Chancellor), or any other Noble and Learned
Lord, would devise a penalty which would meet the case to
which he alluded.

The LORD CHANCELLOR replied that if he could do
as the Noble Earl wished he would willingly comply with his
request; but he feared that he could not, although he was as
desirous as any Noble Lord to have the vices of the man pu-
nished as well as those of the woman. The difficulty, how-
ever, was great, and he feared that any such attempt would
only lead to endless perjury of the worst description. But to
put an end to a discussion so irregular, he should propose the
additional clause relating to the establithment of provident
institutions.

Lord WYNFORD said that as far as his information went
every provident institution which had been established had
proved a miserable failure.
The Bishop of LONDON was aware that the poor had
bought experience at a dear rate; but still he thought that if
an institution of this description was rightly conducted it must
be successful, and answer the purpose intended.

The Marquis of SALISBURY said that if such a clause
were adopted care should be taken to make ample provision
for the proper management of the funds.
The Marquis of WESTMINSTER made some observa-
tions which were not audible in the gallery.
Lord ELL'ENBORO UGH objected to provident institu-
tions, on the ground that the expenses of one year would ab-
sorb the revenue of two.

The Duke of RICHMOND did not approve of a prospec-
tive outlay of this kind, which would transfer all benefit from
the present to the future possessor. The clause was so im-
portant that he thought it would be better to leave it for con-
sideration until next Session than to include it in this Bill.

The Marquis of SALISBURY highly approved of this
suggestion.
The Bishop of LONDON was anxious that the clause
should be continued in the Bill, because it was about the only
Clause in the Bill that bore a kindly feeling towards the poor
on the face of it.
The LORD CHANCELLOR was anxious that the clause
should be agreed to, but he was willing to let it stand over till
the third reading, and in the meantime he pleiged himself to
see whether the objections raised could not be obviated.
The clause wasthenpostppned.

The Bishop of LONDON gave notice that he should, on
bringing up the report, propose an additional clause, allowing
the Commissioners to exclude certa:n classes of persons from
serving the office of overseer. For instance, he thought gin-
shop-keepers were very improper persons, and should be pre-
vented filling that office. By excluding classes, the feelings
of individuals could not be injured.
The Duke of RICHMOND said that he wished to throw
out a suggestion, namely, that not merely a portion of the pay
of the labourcr should be attached by the parish in case of his
family becoming chargeable, but that also a portion of the pay
of the soldier should be appropriated when his family became
chargeable.' He knew of a case that occurred a.few days ago
in a parish in Sussex, in which a soldier in the Guards threat-
ened to throw his wife and three children on the parish, if
three pounds were not advanced to him to take them to Dublin.
The LORD CHANCELLOR.did not see how the pay
of the soldier could be attached, and it might also interfere
with the discipline of the army.
After a few words from the Duke of WELLINGTON, the
Marquis Of SALISBURY, and Lord WIIARNCLIFFE,
The Duke of RICHMOND said that he would not persist
in his suggestion.
The preamble was then agreed to.
•
The House resumed.

The LORD CHANCELLOR said that there were a num-
ber of amendments prepared for a future stage, and, above all,
one by a Right Rev. Prelate. He would therefore suggest
that the Bill should be reported to-morrow, reprinted, and the
amendments be taken into consideration on the third reading.
By adopting this course the Bill would be expedited.
Lord WYNFORD gave notice that he should on the third
reading propose an alteration as to the number of votes to be
possessed by the proprietors of land? and also he should pro-
pose an amendment relative to the law of settlement.
Lord ELLENBO RO UGH thought that it would be better
to consider' the amendments in the report, as many verbal
amendments might be made in the discussion, and it .was by
no means improbable that errors would get in.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that he should have no
objection to agree to the suggestion of the Noble Lord, but
he thought by this course time would be lost. -
After a few words from the Duke of CUMBERLAND, the re-
port was ordered to be received on Thursday.
A message from the Commons by Mr. C. WOOD and others
brought up the Assessed Taxes Amendment Bill, the Royal
Burghs ( Scotland) Bill, the Fever Hospital (Ireland) Bill,
and several other Bills.
The House then adjourned.

THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, AUGUST 5, 1834.

importance, but it was one of detail and not of principle ;
and even if it had been rejected by a narrow majority, it
would have been well perhaps for the Government to have
conceded to it, as it spoke the sentiments of the Membert for
Ireland. He denied that the Bill had been materially altered.
Rent charge, he contended, was a species of redemption.
He had at first had no hope of inducing the Irish landlords
to take upon themselves the burthen of tithes at once, but
now that he found that disposition he thought it right to take
advantage of it. He was satisfied with the Bill as it stood,
and was perfectly confident it would prove highly beneficial to
Ireland.

Colonel DAVIE S said that more vacillating, wavering,
imbecile conduct than that of the Government with respect
to this Bill he had never witnessed. He protested in the
strongest manner possible against the Consolidated Fund
being charged with any payment on account of Irish tithes.—
( Hear.) _ _ _

Colonel TORRENS denied that the measure would take
two-fifths of the church property from the Church for the
purpose of putting it into the pocket of the landed pro-
prietor. If there was any robbing at all it was a robbing
from the Church of a tax on the articles of consumption,
which, if taken off would increase cultivation, and, of conse-
quence, the comforts of the people. He thought the mea-
sure was a measure of justice, and therefore it should have his
support.

Mr. HUME thought the question was, whether the people
of England should be obliged to support a Church which the
Irish people did not want ? He was not at all surprised that
the Irish Members should be willing to have the Irish Clergy
supported by the Consolidated Fund. Indeed his surprise
was that they did not object to its being paid from a fund to
which Ireland as well as England contributed, and require that
the means should come from the English people exclusively.
But as an English Member he thought he was bound to pro-
test against the adoption of the principle' that his constituents
were henceforth to support a Church which the Irish people
did not require. He was, however, prepared to accede to the
proposition as a temporary expedient, but he gave notice that
he should insist that every shilling of the money should here-
after be reimbursed to the English people.
Mr. LE FRO Y said it was quite absurd to expect that the
Perpetuity Fund would ever be able to reimburse the money
to the Consolidated Fund. The Irish Church did not require
the English people to support it. It bad plenty of funds for
that purpose, if his Majesty's Government, in their anxiety to
conciliate the agitators, were not afraid to put the law in force
for its collection. He stated with confidence that the Irish
clergy were not satisfied with the Bill as it stood, and, in his
humble opinion, they would be fools and madmen if they were
satisfied with it. He contended that the clergy of Ireland
were robbed of two-fifths of their property, and under such
circumstances it was perfectly idle to expect their concurrence
to the Bill. It was as idle to expect the clergy would be satis-
fied with the Bill as it was to hope that it would secure the
peace and tranquillity of the Irish people. His conviction was
that every right of property would be ere long invaded, now
that the clergy's right to tithes was not only disputed by the
people, but doubted by the Government.
Mr. O'DWYER spoke in favour of the Bill. If the Irish
clergy knew their own interest they would be satisfied with
the measure.
Mr. G 0 ULBU RN said the Bill would take from the Irish
clergy the only funds now left them for defraying the expenses
of building churches and performing divine service, inasmuch
as it declared that the money proposed to be granted from the
Consolidated Fund was, to constitute the first charge on the
Perpetuity Fund.
Mr. LYNCH contended there would be ample funds for
the performance of all the purposes for which the Perpetuity
Fund was established, even though the proposed grant was to
constitute the first charge upon it.
Mr. RUTH YEN supported the Bill.
After a few words from Colonel PERCIVAL and Mr. LIT,.
TLETON, the amendments on the Report were agreed to, and
the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
On the motion of Lord ALTHORP, the House resolved
itself into a Committee of Supply, when the following votes
were agreed to :-
54,800/. to make good certain payments in Scotland for-
merly defrayed from the hereditary revenues, and not provided
for in the Civil List.

1,0001. for the erection of schoolhouses in aid of private sub-
scriptions in Scotland.

Mr. G. F. YOUNG begged to observe that, whilst this
vote was passing, Mr. J. Lancaster, whose improvements had
laid the foundation of popular education, was starving in a
distant part of the world.
15,0001. for the advancement of education in Ireland.
125,8001. to pay to the East India Company the difference
between par and the market price of the Consolidated East
India Annuities.

99,900/. for the civil and military establishments of Sierra
Leone.

24,900/. to defray the expenses of the Commission of In-
quiry into the Corporations of Great Britain and Ireland.
Mr. HUME hoped that in the next session Ministers would
be prepared to bring forward some substantial measure founded
on the report of the Commission.
Lord ALTHORP said that his Majesty's Ministers would
certainly be prepared during the ensuing session to bring for-
ward some measuse of corporate reform, which, next to par-
liamentary reform, he considered to be of the highest im-
portance.
Mr. WALKER congratulated the country upon what had
fallen from the Noble Lord. He had received numerous com-
munications upon the subject from various parts of the king-
dom ; and he assured the Noble Lord that it was a subject of
general and intense interest.
78,500/. on account of the expenses of criminal prosecutions
in Ireland.
Mr. SHE IL wished to know from the right Hon. Secretary
for Ireland how it happened that the law costs in the prosecu-
tion of Mr. Barrett for a libel in Ireland amounted to 7021.,
while the costs of the prosecution of Mr. Bell and Mr. Grant
for a libel here amounted only to 181/. ?
Mr. LITTLETON said that the increased amount of the
Government prosecution against Mr. Barrett arose from the
circumstance of the defendant having traversed the indict-
ment, and thereby caused delay and a considerable increase of
law expenses. The Government had given orders that in all
future prosecutions the number of counsel engaged should be
reduced, and that the fees should also be reduced, and that all
bills of costs arising from Government prosecutions should be
sent in to the Treasury.
Mr. HUME said that he understood the Treasury had de-
frayed the costs of certain prosecutions that had been instituted
by Magistrates. He wished to know if such had-been the case,
for if it had he could not conceive a more improper application
of the public money.
Lord ALTHO RP said that as far as he knew no such pro-
secution had ever been paid for by the Treasury, nor did he
know to what case it was the Hon. Member alluded.
Mr. RICE also said that so long as he had any,connection
with the Treasury he never heard of any prosecution of the
nature alluded to having been paid for from the public money,
and he did not believe that such an occurrence had taken place.
Mr. HUME said he was to understand then that no such
case had occurred.
Mr. RICE said he had not heard of any such.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the motion for a grant of 13,000/. to defray the expenses
of making roads and carrying on other public works in the
counties of Galway and Mayo, in Ireland,
Mr. HUME said he would take that opportunity of asking
the Right Hon. the Secretary at War why it was ,that the
Government thought it necessary to erect new barracks in the
Birdcage-walk in the Park, when there had been barracks
already standing there ?
Mr. ELLICE said that the old barracks was in such a state
of decay and ruin that it was found to be nearly as cheap to
erect a new set of barracks as to repair them; and as the Go-
vernment had still a long lease of the ground unexpirea, it
was not considered at all a wasteful application of the public
money to erect the present barracks.
The vote was agreed to.
On the Chairman reading the Resolution for a grant of
10,000/. for the relief of the distressed Poles at present in this
country.

Mr. HUME asked if the Government intended to take any
steps with respect to the money that was voted for the
relief of Spanish refugees in this country ? He believed that
those emigrants cost the country somewhere about 13,0001.,
and as they were all at liberty now to return to their own
country, without any dread of molestation, he considered that
the Government ought to see that those foreigners were sent
home, and the expense of supporting them saved to the country.
Mr. RICE said that; it would cost almost as much to send
those foreigners out of this country to their own as it would
to support them here. Undoubtedly those who had returned
to Spain, or who might hereafter do so, could not expect to
derive any future advantage from the pecuniary resources of;
this country.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG wished to ask if the Government had
taken any interest in the fate or disposal of those poor fo-
reigners who had lately been thrown destitute on the banks of
the river ?

—Mr. RICE, as we understood, said that the Government
could not interfere with the disposal of the unfortunate per-
sons alluded to. All that could be done was to provide them
with passports to return home, and this did not rest with the
British Government.
The grant was then agreed to.
On the Resolution for granting 12.7501. to the Baptist and
Wesleyan Missionary Societies, to defray the expenses of re-
building and repairing the chapels of those congregations that
had been destroyed in the Island of Jamaica,
Mr. POTTER said that he thought this sum ought to
come out of the twenty millions that had been voted to the
West India proprietors.
Mr. RICE said that this could not be done. The sum
voted by Parliament to the West India proprietors was for a
specific purpose, to indemnify them for a certain loss of pro-
perty, and that Act having been passed there was no power
in the Government now to alter it, and apply any part of that
money in a different manner.
The grant was agreed to.
On the resolution for a grant of 20,0001. to defray the ex-
pense of trying the experiment of establishing a steam com-
munication between this country and India,
Mr. HUME wished to know in what manner this experi-
ment was to be made ?
Mr. C. GRANT said that the Committee which had been
appointed this session to inquire into the practicability of esta-
blishing a communication between this country and India by
steam had lately made their report, which was now laid upon
the table of the House. The Committee, in the course of
their inquiry, had two points to which they directed their at-
tention, or rather two lines of communication. One line
was by the Red Sea, and the other by the Euphrates and the
Persian Gulf. The report gave the opinion of the Commit-
tee on these two points. Having first laid it down as a

principle that a communication by steam with India was a
matter.of Feat importance to the interests of both countries,
the Committee proceeded to state that experiments already
made had satisfactorily proved that the line of communication
by the Red Sea was perfectly practicable for eight months
in the year ; but that it was not so clear that the communica-
tion could be continued during the other four months, in con-
sequence of the south-west winds that usually prevailed in these
months. By this route then the Committee recommended
that an immediate communication should be established, one-
half the expense to be borne by India, and the other half
by the Government. The next suggestion that had been
brought under the notice of the Committee was the practica-
bility of the line by the Euphrates and the Persian Gulf.
With respect to this point, the Report stated that sufficient
experiment had not yet been made; but that as far as experi-
ments had proceeded there did not appear to be any physical
obstacle in the way of that line of communication during
eight months of the year, any more than in the line of the
Red Sea; but that during the other four months—namely,
November, December, January, and February—owing to the
low state of the river and the south-west monsoons, there
was much doubt of the practicability of the navigation.
As the East India Company had expended 60,0001. in the
experiments that had already been made on the line of the
Red Sea, and which had proved satisfactory, the Committee
recommended in their report that the British Government
should grant a sum of 20,0001. to make the like experiments
on the line of the Euphrates, so as to ascertain if both were
equally practicable, and if so, that the communication might
be established with India by proper arrangements during the
whole year, as the four months that appeared to be doubtful
were not the same on each line, those on the line of the Red
Sea being June, July, August, and September. There could
be no subject of greater importance than to establish a speedy
and frequent communication with India. It was of the utmost
importance to India herself, for there could be no greater
obstacle to her deriving advantage from the improvements
,that were every day made in arts, sciences, and other great
national interests, than the distance at which she was placed
from the civilized part of Europe. It was also of the greatest
importance to the stability of our Indian empire and to our
political security in that part of the world. It was upon these
considerations that he had ventured to submit the grant to the
consideration of the Committee.

Mr. BUCKINGHAM, as a member of the Committee
that had made the Report alluded to, supported the grant.
Mr. HUME thought it highly important that the inter-
course between the countries should be expedited as much as
possible, the impediments to which, arising from the Post
Office regulations, ought to be removed. The passage by the
Red Sea was more likely to be successful than that by the
Euphrates.

An HON. MEMBER recommended that trial should be made
of steam navigation by the Cape of Good Hope. In this way
the passage to Calcutta might be made as expeditiously as by
the Red Sea or the Euphrates. To both the latter great phy-
sical difficulties were opposed. By the Cape of Good Hope
the passage might be made at all times in seventy-five days.
After a few words from Mr. SINCL AIR the vote was
agreed to.

-The next vote was a sum of 1,3101. for the purchase of Mr.
Hawkins's collection.

The next vote was for prisons at Dartmoor, 7,0001.
After a few words from Mr. litn.LER and Mr. Alderman
Woof),

Mr. HUME took occasion to complain of the manner in
which staff appointments were disposed of at the Horse Guards,
the effect of which was to retain those appointments fora long
period in the hands of the same individual, and to dePrive the
army generally of the advantages of them. In this matter the
Government was entirely under the control of the Com-
mander-in-Chief.

Mr. ELLICE said the matter had been submitted to the
military authorities, who had yet made no decision on it.
Lord ALTHORP said it was a question of military disci-
pline, not of economy.
An HON. MEMBER said he would bring the subject next
Session under the consideration of Parliament.
The vote was agreed to, and the report ordered' to be
brought up to-morrow.
IRISH CHURCH TEMPORALITIES BILL.
The order of the day having been moved for receiving the
report of the Irish Church Temporalities. Bill,
Mr. LITTLETON, in answer to a question from Mr.
Hume, said the 100,0001. which the Hon. Member supposed
to be for building churches in Ireland was to meet the defi-
ciency of a vote of last Session for vestry cess. It was to be
advanced by the Board of Works, in place of being charged on
the Consolidated Fund.

The Report was agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to be
read a third time to-morrow.
MILITIA.

The question being put that the Militia Bill be read a third
time,

Mr. ELLICE, in answer to a question from Mr. Hume,
said orders were given to inspect the Militia Staff, and the
inspection was nearly finished. The Reports being vOlumi-
nous there was not time yet to lay them before the House.
There was, however, to be a considerable reduction, and no
vacancies were to be filled up. In the course of next Session
he had no doubt a proposition would be made either for doing
away with the staff altogether, or for making them useful other-
wise in the preservation of the public peace.
The Bill was read a third time and passed.
The Report of the Assessed Taxes Relief Bill was received
and ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
SPIRIT DUTIES BILL.
The question being put that the Spirit Duties Bill be read
a second time,

Mr. G 0 ULBURN said the Noble Lord upon a former
occasion stated that twelve million gallons was the quantity of
spirits distilled in Ireland. . lie did not know how the Noble
Lord ascertained this, or why he should not remit the duty in
Scotland as well as in Ireland. He doubted much whether it
was expedient to adopt an alteration of duty on the data men-
tioned by the Noble Lord. He said there was illicit distilla-
tion and smuggling in Ireland, but that now they did not distil
illegally in Scotland. This then was the Noble Lord's great
measure for producing conciliation in Ireland. It seemed
rather a strange mode of proceeding to favour Ireland, inhere
illicit distillation was carried on, to extend a boon to the
transgressors of the law, and to punish the Scotch, who ob-
served it. The Noble Lord would find there was sufficient
ingenuity in Scotland to bring about a reduction of duty to the
same amount as in Ireland. Was the Noble Lord quite cer-
tain that he would not by this change give an impetus to smug-
gling both in Ireland and Scotland ? Was it not probable
that the reduction of duty in Ireland would encourage and in-
crease the smuggling of spirits from Ireland to Scotland ?
The matter was still more important in a moral point of a
view. Would not the vice of drunkenness be thus increased
in Ireland, and was that desirable in the present state of the
country, to which they still found it necessary to extend the
provisions of a Coercion Bill ? Did the Noble Lord think
that epidemic diseases would not be thus fomented and in-
creased in Ireland.

Lord ALT HO RP said it was no wonder the Right Hon.
Gentleman should oppose the removal of duties which he him-
self imposed.—( Hear, hear.) The result of increased duty
was that the revenue sell off; and his object was, by a reduc-
tion of duty, to lessen the inducement to illicit distillation. It
was upon the report of the Revenue Commissioners he founded
his conclusion that illicit distillation was going on in Ireland,
and not in Scotland. But, said the Right Hon. Gentleman,
the guilty were thus favoured and the innocent punished Did
the Right Hon. Gentleman think that illicit distillers were
punished by an augmentation of duty ?—( Hear.) Drunken-
ness was certainly a great evil, but smuggling and illicit dis-
tillation were still greater, and would not diminish drunkenness;
quite the contrary. At every period there was some favourite
evil to which all the other evils of the country were traced.
He recollected, when the question of Catholic Emancipation
was under consideration, hearing a Right Hon. Gentleman,
the Member for Tamworth, say that illicit distillation was the
great evil of Ireland. It certainly was at the time a very
great evil, but the cause of it was the high duty. It was by
illicit distillation that smuggling from Ireland to Scotland
would be encouraged, far more than by this reduction of duty
in Ireland. If they should find illicit distillation on the in-
crease hereafter in Scotland the subject should be attended to
and provided against. When that time, however, arrived they
must also attend to the malt drawback in Scotland, a very
complicated question ; and this was only some sort of equiva-
lent for advantages enjoyed by the Scotch distillers.
The Bill was ordered to be committed for to-morrow.
The Starch Duties Bill was ordered to be committed for to-
morrow.

The Almanack Stamp Duty Bill, the Militia Ballot Sus-
pension Bill, the Norfolk Island Bill, the Dean Forest Bill,
and the Exchequer Bills Amendment Bill were read a third
time.

IRISH COURT OF CHANCERY BILL.
The House then went into Committee on the Irish Court of
Chancery Bill.
_ _

On the 22d clause Mr. O'RE ILL Y moved an amendment
to the effect that the compensation to the Six Clerks and other
officers be diminished by the present Bill.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL contended that every
matter the Hon. and Learned Member wished to guard against
was fully provided for by the 24th clause of the Bill. He
therefore opposed the amendment.
Mr. SHAW pointed out that the Bill if enacted would
serve to wrong suitors in the Equity Courts in Ireland full
two-thirds of the present expenses. With respect to com-
pensation, he held that the Bill took the best course.
The amendment was finally withdrawn.
The other clauses having been gone through, the House
resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received to-mor-
row (this day).
The Post Roads (Ireland) Bill was read a second time, and
committed for to-morrow (this day).
The Tithes Stay of Suits Bill went through a Committee,
and the Report was ordered to be received this da-

HOUSE OF COMMONS' OFFICES BILL.
On the motion that the House of Commons Offices Bill be
read a third time,

Mr. Alderman THOMPSON objected to the Bill, on the
ground that the proposed savings were ill advised. The salary
of the Speaker had not been increased for upwards of forty
years, while the duties had been increased full sixty per cent.
He was a friend to well-regulated economy, but not to such
ill-advised cutting down as was in this Bill. He moved as an
amendment that the Bill be read a third time that day three
Months.

Mr. H. HUGHES seconded the amendment. He con-
tended that the officers of the House were not overpaid. Their
duties were most onerous, and the clerks at the table were cut
off from convivial and social intercourse.—( Laughter.) The
measure was a pitiful piece of economy.—( Hear. )
Mr. HUME contended for the measure.
Mr. GO ULB URN was decidedly opposed to the reduc-
tion of the Speaker's salary. The labours of the Speaker had
been doubled within the last twenty years. There was then

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no diminution of labour. Another favourite ground vets+ tot
money was of greater value now than some time ago; ug'4ol
argument would not bear, for the Speaker's salary walAst
as long ago as 1740. Another ground was that salaries
been increased ; but that again did not apply to the case, Ti;
whilst other offices had had an increased salary, none had tithe
given to the Speaker. Besides those circumstances P.
Speaker had had formerly lucrative offices under the Crowe;
and when in 1790 Mr. Pitt proposed 5,0001: a year, Mr•
moved that it should be fixed at 6,0001. a year. When be Alt
Chancellor of the Exchequer he never for a moment tbou _
of placing that office on a par with that of the Speaker of t10:3,
House of Commons. As to the exception of the Prey
Speaker, he thou,...Tht it invidious rather than a compliment.
Mr. AGLIOIsrBY was understood to support the Bill' .45
Mr. TOOKE contended that the salary of the Speaker
only in accordance with the feelings of the country.
Mr. EWART and Col. WILLIAMS supported the Dill. Mr. T. ATTWO OD said that if alteration was to be illede ,to
it would be time enough to make it when it pleased Goad
take the present Speaker.—(Loud laughter.) The salarythe Speaker was .raised in the course of 1791, and that or
enough for him. If the country could •not • afford 5,
~,,or
10,0001. a year to pay the first Commoner, they were r„,dd
indeed. These eandle-end and cheese-paring savings
not save the country.
Mr. SHAW contended that the question ought to be d,
tided altogether without reference to the present SPerrc.
He thought that if the House agreed that the present 'll'o
tionaries should not be affected, it would be very ImPrePeri
it to attempt to decide for future Parliaments.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment 22
For the third reading. • 37
15
Majority
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
The Registration of Voters (Scotland) Bill went through:
Committee, and the Report was ordered to be received
morrow (this day).
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The other orders of the day were disposed of, an
House adjourned at one o'clock.

REPORT OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF EG
CLESIASTICAL REVENUE INQUIRY.

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TO THE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY. iOO
Your Majesty having been pleased to issue a Contou-oci
under the Great Seal, dated the 2d day of June, in the seethe
year of your Majesty's reign, authorising and directi.
_lig. is.
Commissioners therein named to make a full and corre" the
quiry respecting' the revenues and patronage belong:411o,
several archiepiscopal and episcopal sees in England ana
to all cathedral and collegiate churches, and to all eecles,`"joi,
cal benefices (including donatives perpetual curacies anafthe
pelries), with or without cure or souls, and the names °' itli
several patrons thereof, and other circumstances there-00
connected ; and your Majesty having been further pleats].
the expiration of the said Commission, to issue a second, eri
mission, extending the period within which the Commissi°eet
were required to make their final report, and authorising tb ec,
to extend their inquiries to the islands of Jersey and Guerns
and the Isle of Man :
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We, your Majesty's Commissioners, whose hands anAOz 'll
are hereunto set, humbly report to your MajeSty,-.v- to
obedience to your Majesty's commands, we have procee
execute the duties committed to us.
In prosecuting our inquiries, we have, from the exten"t
,:si,
complexity of the various matters to be investigated, ela°Le,
tered many difficulties, which, though not unexpected, n'-
sarily required a considerable length of time to surmount. if,
. We believe that we are now in possession of materials sti,
cient to enable us to make a full report to your MajestY °.„1" ge
the topics within the range of our Commission • but to all'oß-
and digest into a tabular form so large a mass of returns, c. 0
prising so many different heads of information, and thug
present a distinct view of the whole revenue of the Matto
their distribution, has been a work of no ordinal 111"-car:
which, though nearly completed, must still occupy WI"
ther time.
Alt would have been more satisfactory to us to have alv-itisi
the period when *e could have completed our task by. 3
report ; but we are impressed' by a conviction that it is e%st
dient to lay before your Majesty, without delay, a state° is
of the total income of the Church, and of the Inaull__netarr
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which it is divided between the archbishops, bishops, eTr.,4of
tions aggregate and sole, and the incumbents and Cart"-
benefices.
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The total amount of the gross annual revenues of the ;a
ral archiepiscopal and episcopal sees in England and W‘7ooll
180,4621., affording an average of 6,683/. ; and the
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amount of the net annual revenues of the same is 16001';4/
affording an average of 5,930/.
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The total amount of the gross annual revenues of the se te,
cathedral and collegiate churches in England and Waleg'orel
gether with the separate gross annual revenues of the slop
dignitaries and other spiritual persons, members of estb„ef the
or collegiate churches, is 350,8614 and the total amount
net annual revenues of the same, is 272,8281,
foollig'
'I he total number of benefices with and without cure 0
the incumbents whereof have made returns to our inclr„,-or
omitting those which are permanently or accustornalw the
nexed to superior perferments, and which are included Wool
statements respecting those preferments, is 10,498; the
esis
amount of the gross annual revenues of which bende tot
3,191,9507., affording an average of 304/. ; and the total anl.frd,
of the net annual revenues of the same is 3,000,393/, an°
ing an average of 285/. of
-The total number of benefices with and without cure; to
souls in England and Wales, including those not returned
us is 10,701 ; the total gross income of which, calculatedirvoi
the average of those returned, will be 3,253'662/, and *het°
net income thereof will be 3,058,248/.
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The total number of curates employed both by resl
and nonresident incumbents returned to us is 5,282, whesSaii;
nual stipends in the aggregate amount to 424,7961., affo74;
an average annual stipend of 80/. ; and the total amount -to
stipends of curates, if 102 be assumed as the proportilesti,
number of the benefices not returned, and the same be
lated on the average of those returned to us, will be 432,0rtb
From a scale which we have prepared of the benefices the
cure of souls returned to us, it appears that there are 204 V.,
incomes of which are respectively under 50/. ; 1,621 of "5 of
and under 1004 ; 1,591 of 1004, and under 150/. 2' 1,3 n 3 oh;
1501., and under 2001. ; 1,964 of 200 L, and under 3' der
1,317 of 3001., and under 4001 ; 830 of 4001., and tier
500/. ; 504 of 500/., and under 600/. ; 337 of 600/., and ti-or
700/. ; 217 of 700/., and under 800/. ; 129 of 8001., andiuriod
900/. ; 91 of 9001., and under 1,000/. ;
.137 of 1,000t.,8 of
under 1,5001. ; 31 of 1,500/., and under 2,000/. ; and
of 2,000/. and upwards.
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The number of sinecure rectories returned to us, an-'wboce
sinecure rectories are included in the number of benefices °b ids
stated, is 62 ; the aggregate gross annual revenues 011 tbe
amount to 18,622/. affording an average 'of 3001., 0°"„9/.
aggregate net annual' revenues of the same amount to 170w-
affording an average of 275/. ffer
We regret that it not is not at present practicable to °clic,
a full explanation of the various items which compose tbeolit
ference between the gross and net amounts ; but, to pre -
misapprehension, we think it advisable to observe, that 0° to,
duction is made from income on account of pa. ments to cullhe
nor for the reparations of episcopal rePidences, or of g'e sorl '
houses and offices, nor on account of payments -of rates toc
taxes for the same, nor has any deduction been made on aCc„%y•
of arrears due at the time of making the returns, or of anY r
ments not being of a compulsory nature. eS
The returns of income have been generally made lir
average of three years, ending December 31, 1831.
Received this day of June, 1834. ,
W. Cantuar (L.s.), E. Ebor (L.s.), Lansdowne (.''',.olo
Harrowby (L. s.), C. J. London (L. s.), J. kill"
(L. s. ), C. Bangor (L. s. ), Wynford (L.s.), id
Bourne (z. s. ), Henry Goulburn (L. s .), Ch ' 11f
Watkin Williams Wynn (L.s.), J. Nichol' (1'„.51.011,
N. C. Tindal (L.s.), E. J. Littleton (L.s.), `e,oP
Lushington (L.s.), George Chandler (L.5.),(1,0,
Wordsworth (L. s. ), Joseph Allen (L. s. ), -
Thorp (L. s. ), Hugh C. Jones (L.s.)
Dated this 16th day of June, 1834.

The grain crops along the Buchan toast dl are,ooll
c.ent ill's season, and there is every appearance of an a ste
and abundant harvest. The turnip crops on strong 1„tall 140
rather backward, but have much improved of late. "0001'.
land the crops are very fine, and already cover the gl„ poC
There is a considerable breadth of Wheat in St. Fergu'oe
inferior in appearance to any other district in Scotland.. bter
ing to the long continued drought, grain crops on the ldir
soils will be short of fodder, but abundant in grain.
burgh Evening Courant.

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On the 31st ult., at Clifton, the lady of W. Long, Esq., '
On the 3d inst., at Blackheath, Lady Barbara Newdigate,2%
MARRIE D.
On the 2d inst., at Christchurch, Alarylebone Parish,
de
Tankerville Webber, Esq., Barrister-at-Law, to the LidY lt-tess-
Charlotte King, youngest daughter of the Earl and C°.°ll of
Kingston.
On the 2d inst., at St. Mary's, Lambeth, Mr. John laieALl
Walworth, eldest son of the late John Idle, Esq., and nePrwoor
the late Christopher Idle, Esq., M.P. for Weymouth and Mlecre
Regis, to Anne, eldest daughter of John Farran, Esq., late
tary to the East India Dock Company.
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St. On the 4th inst., at the District Church of Trinity, -t* $Ol4
lebone, William Samler, Esq., eldest son of William Samler,oo
of Blackheath Park, Kent, to Esther Maria Dickinson, rf
surviving daughter of the late Thomas Dickinson, Esq
BuckS, and eldest adopted daughter of William Leake, r""
Upper Harley-street, Middlesex. o
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On the 31st ult., Mr. Richard Clowes, of Walworth, t
daughter of Mr. W. Jones, of the Albany-road, Camberwell' boa,
On the Ist inst., R. B. Wyatt, jun., Esq. of Charte_r
square, to Julia, daughter of Clement Wyatt, Esq., of Delswooe °' •
On the 31st ult., at South Lynn, Norfolk, Philip, 00101
John Brown, Esq., Collector of Excise, of that place, to '''orkr'
only daughter of the late John Storer, Esq., of the Excise
London. i°
On the Ist inst., at Trinity Church, Marylebone, Andre'll_.,Atet
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stone, jun., Esq., of Rennyhill, M.P. to Priscilla, eldest (11'
of Thomas Powell Buxton, Esq., M.P. 4
On the 31st ult., at Banstead, Surrey, Frederick Gieslerif ph"
of Falkenlust, near Cologne, to Christiana, eldest daughter 0 •
Lambert, Esq., of Banstead

DIED. apt
On the 2d inst., at Woodford, Northamptonshire, Harriett
of the Right Hon. Charles Arbuthnot, in her 41st year- tpullOr
On the 3lst ult., at Clifton, near Bristol, Aggustua
infant son of Henry Charles Vernon Graham, Esq. Aie OW'
On the Ist inst., Miss Emma Mary Fynes Clinton,
daughter of the late Dr. Fynes Clinton.
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On the 3d inst., in her 81st year, at Doddingtonlja! '
relict of the Rev. John Prince, Vicar of Enford, IVilter
years Chaplain of the Magdalen Charity.
London: Printed and Published by MURDO YOO-
at The Suez Office, No. li2 Strand,

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