The Sun.
London, England, 1833-03-05 00:00:00

DEPARTURES.

Earl Bathurst, from Arlington street, for Brighton ; the Mar-
chioness of Westmeath, from St. James's Palace, for Windsor
Castle; Vice-Admiral Sir D. Milne and Mrs. Mile, from Suffolk..
place, for Coldstream, N.B. ; Sir Robert Gordon, from the Cla-
rendon Hotel, for Windsor; Lord James O'Brien, from St.
James's street, for Windsor Castle; Mr. and Mrs. Nicholas
and family, from Fenton's Hotel, St. James's street, for the
North ; Mr. and Mrs. Grant, from Morley's Hotel, Trafalgar_
square, for Scotland ; Capt. Thompson, from ditto, on a tour ;
the Rev. Mr. and Mrs. Oxendon, from ditto, for Canterbury ;
Mr. and Mrs. Brembridge, from ditto, for Devonshire ; Hugh
Wallace, Esq., from ditto, for Ireland ; the Hon. Henry Pierre_
point, for his seat, Conholt Park, Andover, Wiltshire; Mr. and
Mrs. James, from the British Hotel, Jermyn-street, for Paris;
W. H. Grant, Esq., from ditto, for Devizes ; J. Martendale,
Esq., from ditto, for Herefordshire; Capt. Kater, from Rag-
gett's Hotel, Dover-street, for Brighton; Sir William Foulis,
Bart., Lady Foulis, and family, from Marshall Thompson's
Hotel, Cavendish-square; John F. Schroder, Esq., Mrs. Schro-
der, and Miss Schroder, from ditto; Rev. J. Pennant, Mrs.
Pennant, and Miss Clarke, from ditto; W. Gosling, Esq.,
from ditto.

The Duke of SUSSEX will give his second
converzatione for the season on Saturday next, in his mg-,
nificent library in Kensington Palace.

The Duchess of NORTHUNIBERLAND has
issued cards of invitation for a grand rout on Thursday
next at Northumberland House.

Earl GREY has issued cards for a grand
dinner on Saturday next, in Downing-street.

The long talked of christening of the infant
Earl of DALKEITH has at length been performed. The
ceremony took place at Dalkeith Palace, near Edinburgh,
and was quite private. Their AIM ESTIES were sponsors,
by proxy, for the infant heir to the house of Buccleuch,
who received the names of WILLIAM WALTER. On the
same occasion the Duke's youngest son, an infant of three
months old, was christened, the sponsors being Lord
MONTAGUE, uncle to his Grace, and Lord JOHN SCOTT,
from whom he received the names of HENRY JOHN.

The family of Sir AUGUSTUS CLIFFORD,
Usher of the Black Rod, has been placed in mourning by
tie death of Lord JOHN TOWNSHEND, Lady CLIFFORD
being a daughter of the decessed Nobleman. The obse-
quies of Lord !mix were performed yesterday at Balls
End, in Hertfordshire.

S. HIRSCHEL, the Chief Rabbi of the Jews,

has written a letter to Mr. GOLDSMID, which has been
published, denying the truths of the assertions made by
Mr. Couaarr in the House of Commons, respecting the
insults offered to the Christian religion in the Jewish ritual.
A second circular has been received by the
different Corporate bodies, containing two queries ; the
first of which requires a return of the names of the Magis-
trates who have acted for a certain number of years, their
professions, trades, &c. ; and the second, an account of
what sums are at the disposal of the Carporation, distin-
guishing between those which are applied to charitable or
specific objects, :and those for the general purposes of the
Corporate body.

LONDON,
TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 5, 1833.

The speech of Mr. BAYNTUN, of York, who,
we can readily believe, speaks the language of
nine•tenths of his constituents, is one of the
best that has yet been delivered on the subject
of the Irish Coercive Bill. It is convincing,
not so much by force of eloquence, as by strength
of argument. If it do not touch the heart, it
at least exercises despotic sway over the reason.
It is remarkable for the absence of all passion,
and the constant presence of good sense. Mr.
BAYNTUN objects to the Bill—deliberately,
advisedly objects to it—in the Est place, because
Ministers have failed in making out their case;
secondly, because the measure will not reach
the heart of the evil, which is, misgovernment ;
thirdly, because coercion, instead of going hand

n hand with conciliation, shoots afar ahead o

it ; and, lastly, because the measure not only
violates, but is notoriously abhorrent to, every
known principle of the Constitution. Mr. BAYN.
TUN detailed these several objections at length,
and with a succinctness of argument that will
have due weight with the country. How, said

the Honourable Gentleman, had Ministers
attempted to prove the necessity for the
Coercive Bill ? "By detailing any overt acts
of treason, or civil conspiracies or rebellion
in Ireland, levelled against the dominion and
sovereignty of Government ? No, but by ex-
hibiting a long catalogue of offences and crimes,
midnight burglaries, burnings, and illegal no-
tices, which unquestionably have been perpe-
trated, but which the regularly-constituted tri-
bunals, with the real assistance of the gen-

tlemen of Ireland, he believed to be suf-
ficient to quell. That crimes existed in
Ireland to a tremendous extent—that bur-
glaries and midnight assassinations were mightily
on the increase was, perhaps, unhappily
true ; but let him ask every thinking man to
what were these horrors to be attributed ?
Why, the Noble Mover of the Address to his
MAJESTY, on the first night of the Session,
had anticipated one answer. He said, Ireland
had been oppressed by centuries of misgovern-
ment, and this assertion was not more borne out
in fact than by the circumstance of that sort of
tardiness which had been observed and acted
upon by all succeeding Governments to propose
any measure having a tendency to allay the
grievances, and remove the acknowledged un-
heard deprivation and misery, existing to such
an extent in that unfortunate country." It
is here the shoe pinches. Misgovernment is
the first—misgovernment the second—misgo-
vernment the third cause of Irish disturbance.
Add to this a fourth cause, absenteeism, and
you have the whole secret of almost every out-
break in the sister country from the days of the
Union downwards. Yet the Ministerial remedy
for misgovernment, is to increase misgovern-
ment ! For absenteeism, to reduce Ireland
to such a state of distraction, by coercion,
as to increase the evil ten-fold ! Who
would not be justified in continuing an
absentee from a country, where martial law
is proclaimed, the Constitution suspended, and
freedom a blessing known only by name ? Well
might Mr. BAYNTUN express his astonishment
at Ministers proposing such extreme measures.
Well might he be "hardly able to persuade him-
self that these were the men who, but a few

months since, had advocated so eloquently the
cause of popular Reform !"

An interesting discussion took place yesterday
in the House of Commons, in consequence of
the presentation, by Lord GROSVENOR, of a
petition praying for an inquiry into the state of
the Church in Wales. " The minds of the
Welch people," said his Lordship, " had been
much alienated from the Established Church,
entirely by the abuses which prevailed in it.
When he stated that out of 2,200 places of
worship in Wales, little more than one third
belonged to the Established Church, the well-
wishers of that Church would see that it was high
time to check the abuses which prevailed in it."
Any one at all acquainted with Wales—

who has witnessed the extraordinary spread of
dissent throughout its entire breadth and length,
and the affection, we might almost say, the re-
verence, with which the ministers of that per-
suasion are held by the people—who has wit-
nessed the unprecedented circulation of their
tracts, which are to be met with beneath every
farmer's, every peasant's roof—above all, who
has witnessed one of the triennial gatherings or
visitations of the Dissenting Clergymen, which
collects thousands from all quarters ;—any one
who has seen and felt all this, will at once
admit that the Noble Lord's picture is not
overcharged. In fact, his Lordship has paint-
ed it, not in oils, but in water-colours. He
might have substituted a stronger word than
mere " alienation," when alluding to the feel-
ings with which the majority of the Welch
people regard the Established Church, which
they know only by its oppressions, and whose
higher ministers they come in contact with only
in their capacity of creditors.
Few Englishmen are aware that the Esta-
blished Church is at its lowest possible ebb in

Wales, and that its hold over the minds of the
people is loosening in exact proportion as that
of the Dissenters is strengthening.
Mr. WILBRAHAM has partly accounted for

this decline :
" It was most important," said he, " that the House
should thoroughly understand that the Welch Bishops did
not understand the language of the country over which
they presided ; and it was impossible they could perform
their duties without a knowledge of such language. There
had also been an exclusive system of appointing English-
men to be Welch Bishops. There had not been an instance
of a native Welchwan being appointed to be a Bishop since
the reign of the Hanoverian family.—(Hear.) This was a
state of things that ought not to have so long existed. It
could not be said that the reason was that the Welch were not
capable of being appointed to the Bishops' Bench because
there had been several instances of Welchmen having
tr.nslated the Bible into their native language, and of
having shown acquirements calculated to entitle them to
any situation, however high. If a knowledge of the
language was not to be required of the Bishops, at all
events nn man could deny that the clergy at large ought to
pos'ess it.—(Hear, hear.) It had been declared by one
of them that it was repugnant to the will of God
that any person should presume to preach to the
people in a language not known to them. The
cure of souls was unintelligible to him. According
to the system that had been pursued, be knew not
what was meant by it. This important fact be knew,
that one gentleman in North Wales was in possession of
no less than eleven pieces of preferment—nine livings and
two sinecures. There were, he was sorry to say, two re •
ligions—one for the rich, and another for the poor—one
for the aristocracy, and another for the natives of the
country—one for the Cambro Briton, the other for their
Saxton masters. Such a Church, he did not hesitate to
say, drove from its bosom a vast body of people, who
would otherwise feel in no way disinclined to adopt its
tenets."

One of the main causes of the spread o
dissent throughout the principality, is the cir•

cumstance of the ministers addressing their
flocks in the language to which they are most
habituated. They belong to the people, and
mix themselves up in all their little pursuits, and
interest themselves in all their little peculiarities.
They are literally the watchful shepherds of a
faithful flock. The Established Church, on

the other hand, keeps itself coldly aloof. It is
known by its curates, it is true, but these are
only looked on as so many living proofs of

its stern avarice, and unblushing favouritism.
Who knows not the Welch curate ! From the

days of SWIFT downwards, he has been recog-
nised as the victim of a system which, in his
person, degrades the character of Christianity.
Of the higher class of Welch Church dignita-

ries, scarce one in twenty understands a word of
the language. Is it to be wondered at then
that his flock repudiate him as a stranger and
a foreigner ? What Missionary would even

dream that he could be of service to
Christianity, till he had first made himself ac••

quainted with the language of the people whom

he came to convert ? The High Church
(through its organ the Bible Society) sends
missionaries to make good orthodox Protestants
of the New Zealanders, little dreaming that such

apostles are quite as much wanted in Wales.

Religion, like charity, ought to begin at home.

The British Museum estimates, now before
us, present some curious facts, which we have
extracted for the gratification of our readers. It
appears that the number of visiters has been
gradually increasing since 1827 (with the excep-
tion of 1829 and 1830, when there was a fall-

ing off) from 79,131 to 147,896 persons. In
the year 1831 the numbers were 99,112, which
shows an augmentation for the last year of

nearly 50,000 persons—an augmentation greater
than has ever before taken place in one year,
and which may be fairly attributed to the number
of cheap publications, which have drawn the at-

tention of the more respectable classes of artisans
and the lower order of tradesmen to this rational
source of cheap amusement and instruction.
The total expenses, including purchases of
M.SS., coins, medals, &c., repairs and mainte-
nance of the building, &c., amount to 16,8441.,
a sum we are not in the slightest degree disposed
to quarrel with. There is, however, an abuse
connected with the management of this Na-
tional Repository, which has been long com-
plained of, but not, we are sorry to say, so
loudly as might have been, by the advocates of
the rights of the public. It is the enormous
number of holydays allowed to the officers and
attendants of the Museum. The following me-
morandum at the bottom of the estimate will
explain the grounds of our charge :—" The days
of public admission to view the Museum are
the Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, in
every week, between the hours of ten and four—
excepting the months of August and September,
the Christmas, Easter, and Whitsun weeks, the