The Sun.
London, England, 1833-08-17 00:00:00

IMPERIALPARLIAMENT

It is an establishment for the gratuitous educa•
tion of the sons of foreigners in distress. There
are many high-minded Poles and other foreigners
in England who regard the difficulty of providing
education for their children as a greater calamity
than their own personal privations, and it is im-
portant in a national point of view that foreign
youths, resident here, should receive such an
education as to strengthen the bonds of their
attachment to England, and make them, in
the event of a change of circumstances, useful
in diffusing the principles of rational liberty
at home. The Duchess of KENT is a warm
patroness of this Institution, and the Russian
Ambassador, in a spirit which does him infinite
honour, considering the motives which might
be supposed to have influenced him, has sub-
scribed to it the sum of one hundred pounds.
Several Members of Parliament and other in-
fluential persons are on the Committee.

The Miguelite agents here are actively de-
nying the authority of the intercepted corre-
spondence which appears in the Times of this
day. Considering how much certain diploma-
ti,ts in this country are implicated in the
Mi-
guelite intrigues, it is not surprising that every
means should he used to throw a d,,uht over
the correspondence in question. We hear,
however, from a respectable source, that the
authenticity of the correspondence is established
beyond doubt.

A private letter from Paris states that a
courier had been sent by the French Govern-
ment to Portugal, through Spain, with de-
spatches of the greatest importance. He was
instructed to deliver a letter to M. ZEA on his
way, and to wait until that person could have
time to communicate with the French Ambas-
sador, who had instructions how to act, in the
event of its being necessary for him to commu-
nicate with Lisbon.

We understand that despatches have been re-
ceived from Holland, by the Dutch Plenipoten-
tiaries, in answer to their demand for new in-
structions, and that they are considered rather
favourable than otherwise. General GOBLET
and M. VAN DER WEYER have not, however,
yet received such powers from their Government
as to enable the Conference to proceed with any
reasonable hope of coming to a satisfactory con-
clusion on the question of finance. The sum
in dispute is about two millions sterling. M.
VAN DER WEYER declares that the expenditure
of the Belgian Government for the maintenance
of the Army and other contingencies, since the
treaty of November, has exceeded by far the
amount which would have been due to Holland
if that treaty had been acceded to ; and that
there is, besides, an enormous claim by the
French Government for the expense of interven-
tion, arising out of the refusal of the King of
HOLLAND to accede to the treaty. The French
Plenipotentiary, M. DE TALLEYRAND, has,
with the view of smoothing down this obstacle,
stated that abundant time will be given for the
liquidation of the French claims, and that their
amount will be reduced as much as possible;
and we believe no claim will be made by our
Government for the little expenditure to which
we were subjected by our portion of the inter-
vention in favour of Belgium. As the King of
the BELGIANS is very anxious to have the ques-
tion settled, and his influence over the Chambers
is rather on the increise, we may expect that this
point, after a little vapouring on both sides, will
be got over ; and, as recent events in Portugal
have lowered the tone of the Holy Alliance,
other difficulties may also he removed. When
TALLEYRAND, however, said that the whole
affiar would be terminated by the end of Sep-
tember, he reckoned without his host.

Our columns are so pressed with matter to-
day that we can do no more than refer our
readers to the report of the House of Commons'
di.cussions in Committee f on the
Estiwates. The conversations on
public charities and superannuatious are pat mo-
lar!), worthy of attention.

Hamburg Papers contain a copy of a letter
written by the Seraskior PACHA to the Empero-
NICHOLAS, on the occasion of the departure of
the Russian troops from Turkey. This letter.
which is penned in the usual hyperbolical strain
of aiental compliment, speaks of the "won-
derful spirit of disinterestedness which charac-
terised the expedition" undertaken by order of
the CzAR, who, according to the Seraskier,
will be proclaimed by history one of the wisest
and most virtuous Emperors that ever issued
a Polish manifesto. Pass but one brief year of
•:o, and these Tumkish transports will, we sus-
neer, be wonderfully abated. When next
NICHOLAS enters Constantinople, it will no!
he as a mediator, but as a coi:quelor---not to
extort the gratitude of the SULTAN, but to
challenge his submission. The commander of
he FaitVid—or of the " Faithless," as his
vassals should rather be styled, seeing that
they are falling away from him in all quarters—
cannot or will not see his true position just now,
but the hour is fast approaching when he must
perforce awake.

THE MARKETS.-(THIS DAY).

COVENT-GARDEN MARKET.

There was a good supply at thus morning's market, but the
trade was dull. Pine Apples, Melons, Peaches, Nectarines,
Apricots, and Chesnuts, are cheaper ; Wall (berries dearer
than on this day se'nnight ' prices otherwise about stationary.
a. d. sad 1 s o. 4.d
New Potatoes (cwt.) 3 0 to 5 0 Spinach (half-sieve)... 0 4 toll 6
Ca bages (12) 0 9 I 6 Apples 2 6 3 6
Cauliflowers 1 0 2 6 Pears 2 0 3 0
Brocoli 0 6 1(I Gooseberries
rl.rse liadish(bundle) 4 0 6+ Currants
C.,.tery
Carrots ,12bunches)... 4 0 6 C Onions 2 0 3 0
1. .nips
Coleworts or Greens... 1 0 1 6 ,Broad Beans 0 6 I 0
Leeks 0 6 1 0 French Beans 2 0 3ti
Purnipltaddiihes 0 6 1 0 Cabbage Lettuces 0 6 1 6
Young Onions
For. Grapes (per lb.) 0 8 2 6 Sweet Oranges '3 6 8 0
English, Forced ......
Orchard Cherries 0 2 0 6 Asparagus
Pine Apples (lb.)
Small Salad (punnet) 0 2 a 3 SMall Cucumbers 1 0 2 0
Sea Nail 0 9 1 0 span. Chesnuts (Peck) 4 6 9 0
Wall Cherries
Peaches ' 2 6 5 0 Spanish I iazlenuts
Nectarines 2 0 4 0 Brazillqn Nuta 2 0 4 0
Apricots
Orleans Pluras' I 0 I 6 Cos Lettuces (per score)o 6 1 0
Green Gages " ' '1 0 2 0 Melons (each )...........3 0 5 0

HAY M A RKETS.—( At per Load vi 36 Trusses.)
CUMBERLAND.
Supply moderrate, trade dull, and prices stationary.
Coarse lie.ivy Lowitina Meadow Hay x 3 0 to .g 3 5
NI ew Meadow Hay 3 5 3 15
ll,eful Old Ditto 3 10 4 0
F,ne Upland Meadow and Rye-grass Hay 4 0 4 4
3 15 5 5
..;lover Hay
Jat Straw £1 oto £1 8 I Wheat ntraw ... 110 1 I:3
SMITHFIELD.
Best New Clover Hay ss. per load higher than on Thursday,
prices otherwise stationary. A short supply, and a steady trap.,
Cu.rbe licavy i.owiaii. Meadow Hay ...............s3 U to £3 5
Jew Meadow Hay 3lO 315
3 10 3 15
Fine Upland Meadow and ltye-grass Hay .... ""
Useful Old Ditto
40 4 4
Clover flay (extra fine)....£s 5 —Generally
at Straw ... Ll 6to .£1 SI Wheat Straw •••• 1 6 110

The KING leas ordered Virginia Water and
the adjacent grounds to be opened to the public in general.
LIVERPOOL COTTON MARKET, AUG. 15.
—The demand for cotton has been inactive to-day• T►le
.ales amount only to 2,000 bar, At previous prices.

THIS DAY, SATURDAY, AUG. 17.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The House met at about 20 minutes past 12 o'clock,
when there were about SO Nlembt-rs present.
Lord ALTHORP moved the order of the day for bring..
ing up the report of the Committee of Supply.
Mr. WALLACE begged to be allowed very briefly to
allude to a statement which was made in the other House
last night, which he conceived net only related to himself
personally, but to the House collectively. A Noble Duke,
the Postmaster-General, hid accused him of being un-
courteous in persisting in bringing forward a motion in
this Huse respecting the regulations of the Post-office.
He begged to repudiate any such charge, and said that
he had made no statement which he c,oild not prove from
documents be now hell in his hand. He believed that no
tuber of this House could say that any part of his con-
duct was uncourteous or unkind, and he did not bring
forward his motion until he had written to the
Noble Duke, requiring some explanation—the answer.
to which might have prevented the necessity of the
motion, hut no answer was returned to either.
Lord ALTHORP sail he was not aware of the state-
went which his Noble Friend (the Duke of Richmond)
was said to have made, anti therefore it w .s impossible for
him to sty anything about it: but certainly on the morn-
ing before the Hon. Member brought forward his motion,
the No :le Duke had told him (Lord Althorp) that he h ,d
seen the Hon. Member (Mr. Wallace), and had an expla.
nation with him, after which his Noble Friend did not
chink the motion would have been made.
After some further obsetvattons from Mr. WALLACE
and Mr. HOME, who thought the whole originated in
some mistake of the Noble Duke's, the subject dropped.

Mr. EDWARD RUTHVEN asked it Government
were aware that a Captain Winter (as we understood)
who had been charged wi4t breaking into a person's House
in Ireland, under circumstances of Oleg day, was, after
hi. trial, reinstated in his former station ?
Mr. LITTLETON said, as Captain Winter had been
honourably acquitted, Government could not du otherwise
than reinstate him.

Mr. COBBETT, in reference to the Beer Bill, hoped
the Nob!e Lord would consent to its postponement until
next session, as it was a measure of vital importance to
upwards of 50,000 persons engaged in the trade, and to
the public generally.

Lord ALTHORP was understood to express his desire
to press the Bill this session.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought it would probably he
better to postpone it and employ the recess in coosiderimi
what defects might be in it,_and of making it as perfect a
measure as

Mr. HUME stated it to be his intention to give the
Bill his strongest opposition in every stage.
Mr. RUTHVEN called he attention of Government to
the late calamitous tire in Dublin, and stated that the loss
of property was immense to the merchants. He hoped
Government would see the propriety of affording some
relief to the sufferers, if it were only by way of loan.
Lard ALTHORP could make no promise upon the
subject ; it might be that a great part, if not all of the
property was insured; and if it were not, the persons to
whom it belonged were to blame in not insuring it.
Mr. SHAW assured the House that a great proportion
of the property was not insured.

The order of the day for receiving the report of the
Committee of Supply, was then read.
O❑ the first resolution, granting 45,3091. for salaries,
&c. to officers of both Houses of Parliament being read,
Mr. SINCLAIR protested against the estimates being
brought forward at so late a period of the session. There
were many objectionable items; and he particularly
objected to the grant to the College of Maynooth, which he
would bring formally under the notice of the House at
the commencement of next session.

Mr. HUME said it was absolutely necessary, in order to
h vs the es imates properly considered, that they should be
brought bi-fore the House, and voted before April, that
die seductions, if there should be any, might be made
before the commencement of the annual expendi-
ture.—.(Hear, hear.) When he looked at the amount
of money voted last night at so late an hour, he could not
but say that the greatest iuconveuience was thereby occa-
sioned ; the House in fact had broken down every rule
which had formerly been laid down ; and it he was in the
fliiuse next Session he would take measures that not
a single shilling should be voted after 12 o'clock at night.
—(Hear, hear.)
The resolusions on the several items were then in the
u•ual form, read by the cleik, put, and agreed to.
On the question, however, of appropriating the sum of
20 0001. tor the lurtheranu•e of education, a discussion
• nsued in which Mr. Hmne, Lord Althorp, Mr. War-
burton, Mr. Shaw, Sir 11 ibert Inglis, Lord Morpeth,
Mr. E-tcourt, Lord J. Russell, Mr. Agli ,nby, and other
Hon 111,-In era took part.

Mr. COBBET said be would never consent to the
dd.p. ion of any general plan to teach the poor to read and
vrite, partieu arty it it were to be attend.al with a tax
upon the community at large. What good did education,
is it was called, do to the poor? If there were two agri
eaoural labourers, one of whom could read the Penny
Magazine and plough, and the other of whom could plough
n make huidles, and was a g nd shepherd, but c. tiA not
real the Penny Maynzine, he should say that the second
was the b-'t,r edura ed of the two. Let any man
go into the agricultural districts—tor of the towns
he could not so positively speak, call bel•r him the la-
b turers of a piri h, and compare the fithets end sons, he
would forfeit any el ar.actrr he might have for knowing
the working classes, if it were not found triat the ta-h ts
were not a better c ass of men, better workmen, and more
wiling to work than their sons. All the reports
on the table could not b, fah., and they shove I
that year att r year, as education *pre til, crime in_
creased.—(H ar ) If (lime inereas-d with education,
what motive could tb,r. be in this House to tax the people.
to make more educ it on ? A part of one of the plans of
educat on was to fir .e the children to go to school, a thing
quite contrary to our laws and usages. There were
enoug tea: hers alre.dy, and he:should give his decided
opposition to any plan for increasing either._
(Hear, hear. ) The Noble Lord would find plenty of
pitishes willing to take the money when it was known
he had it to give. Perhaps the Lord Chancellor thought
hat the poor would read his " Penny Magazine;" but
they wou d read IA le of that. What th.y would read
would be the " l'o r Man's Guaiman" anti the " C
()polite." lie 14,s aware th it lie had not performed his
,'trity to his in stitu. nts as he on:hr. to have done, but In-•
hail not Lad time to attend to his du y, neitht-r had b.'
ad experience enough ; but next session li- would endea
sour to perform his duty better than he had done this,
and not let to ar ,ny objectionable votes pass as he had
inn, He believed •Ile Noble Lout's intentions were good,
lour he was determined to oppose all plans to teach the pout
to r,-ad and write.

Mr. MURRAY felt himself called upon to date that
be difT,-red in th -trongest manner lion' the reasoning
of the H nourable Me ber who spoke last.—(Heai,
hear.) He obj c'ed to the grant on the ground
t• at there wi re sufficient charitable tunds in the coutitty
which might be well applied to the purpose As to theargo
inept against the grant—that it would he applied equ-dly
fur the advantages f the Dissenters and the era of
the Church of E igland, he thought that the stronges•
arAtument in favour of the grant, and on that ground
:thine he was almost carried away to vote for the grant.—
Hear, e As to what had been said by the Hon.
M other for 01 iham, that education, instead of making
men mor, virtuous, rendered them indolent and worse
-objects, he denied in toto that proposition. On behalf of
Viet denial, he would only advert to the ar inns of Edin-
burgh, where it had b, en lound that those who attended
the schools were more industrious and better ser-
vints. He agreed with the Honourable Member for
O dharn, that a mtn who could plough rued make
hurdles too was the more useful man than the one who
could only plough, but he asserted- without fear of con-
tradiction, that taking any number of individuals who
ould read, and the same number who could not, the
former would be fonad to commit fewer crimes, be better
behaved, and altogether better subjects. On this point he
should be willing to meet the Hon. Member upon any
inquiry; at the same time; however, he would adMit that
there were men who had great acquirements, and yet were
bad characters.

Colonel EitTANS, although be concurred with the
reasons of the Hon. Member, felt !lime& compelled to
vote in opposition to him ; for though he concurred in
the unreasonableness of calling upon the House for a vote
it this sort, when there were charitable funds in the
country that might be applied to the purport, yet he
thought it would be niggardly to stop the grant at this
moment. No one could doubt the disinterestedness of the
Hon. Member for Oldham, for if his principle war carried
into effect he (Colonel Evans) would wish to know what
would become of his
.aegister.—(dear, hear, and
leulbter.
) What the state ofthe population in the country
eight be frosts education be could nut tell, but he believed
in the I trge towns the morals of the people were greatly
improved from education..—..(Hear, bear.)
Mr. CORBETT said he had been misunderstood ; he
was not against education, but the forcing of its and tax-
ng thepeople for it.
Mrs POTTER Was moat unwilling to vote against any

scheme for promoting the education of the people ; but,
for the reasons urged by the Hon. Member for Middlesex,
and also on the grounds he mentioned yesterday, he begged
the Noble Lord to postpone the grant until a genera,
plan of national education could be devised, and until
the enormous fonds which had been bequeathed for the
promotion of education were made available. He felt con-
vinced that the period was not far dist int when, by the
general voice of the country, those bequests must be
appropriated to their original, legitimate, and most bene-
ficial purpose.
Mr. HUME hoped to Noble Lord would not take the
sense of the House now upon this question, as there were
only 80 Members present. The only object he (Mr. Flume)
had in the amendment, he had proposed was to postpone the
grant of the 20,0001.. The Noble Lord had himself ad.
mated there were funds which might be in some (.11„„
ipplicable, and if he had the means without the 20,000).
to c rry on the svatem at present he had in view, he wouhi
appeal to the Noble Lord whether it would not he better
to postpone the granting of this sum of money by Parlia-
ment, until some beneficial measure could be adopted.
Lord ALTHORP said he bad left it very much to
the opinion of the House, to say whether the giant
should be made or not; and after listening to
'he discussion which had taken place, he thought that the
feeling of the House was that the grant ought to be made ;
that being the case, be should allow the House to come to
a decision upon it.

Colonel EVANS would put it to the Hon. Member fni
Middlesex, how he or any Hon. Member could justify
himself in dividing upon this point, when they had
allowed 45.0001. to be voted away for the gilding of
Palaces, and 20 other sums of the same nature without
notice?

The House then divided, when there appeared
For the Grant 5O
For Mr. Hume's Amendment 26

Majority in favour of the Grant
Mr. CRA WFORD, the newly elected Member for the
City of London, took the oaths and his seat.
The order of tee day was then read on the Tithe-
(lreland) 8.11. On the question that the Speaker should
leave the chair, to go into Committee on the report,
Mr. HUME .*aid that if the prediction he had made in
1822, when he was supported in a email minority by all
the present Ministry, who were then Members—if that
prediction had ben attended to, the H.•use would
not have to be called upon to entertain the sub-
ject so many years afterwards. The evils he
then pointed nut had since been verified, for nothing
but daily contests had since then taken pldce, in th-
attempts to enforce the payment of tithes. Since 1822
Bills had been brought in year after year to effect com-
mutations ; but he would only refer to the transactions of
the last year. The Government then carried a measure
to facilitate the collection of tithes in Ireland, and
putting an extraordinary power in execution, made
the Crown represent the ostensible proprietors of the
tithes. But this, as he had told the Right Honourable
Secretary for Ireland it would do, had failed in its opera-
tinn—for, out of a sum of 104,000/., only 12,000/. or
13,006/. had been collected under the operation of that
Bill. Finding that that Bill, therefore, was ineffi-
cient, besides the evil of its bringing the military power
but too frequently in collisina with the people, by which
much bloodshed had ensued, the Government issued a
proclamation, on the 7th June, to arrest the enforcement
of tithes.

Mr. LITTLETON—The proclamatio❑ of that date
was to prevent the further employment of the police in
collecting tithes.
Mr. HUME said, whatever 'the form of it was in
substance it stated tint the collection of tithes should
stop.—(Hear.) Coercion had been tried and failed;
and after two years' experiments the House was now to be
called upon to consider again how tithes were to be col-
lected in Ireland. For his part he believed they never
would be collected again.