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/MP.E.R //IL PARL 2VT.

HOUSE OF PEERS,

TUZSDAY, FEB. 23.

SCOtCH A34PEAL-6COTT V. BRODIE.

Mr. ADA.M.Avaishcard at some length hi continuation, re.
latiye to this Appal tor ',the Respondent ; after which Mr.
ALEXANDER, on the part of the Appellant, was heard in
reply.
After the pleadings were finished, the LORD CitAlit.l.-
LOR quittecithe Woolsack, and entered into a luminous and
comprehensive statment of the. Case for the furtherinfor-
rnaticti of .their Lordships ;
.. and concluded by declaring Iris
opinion,
_that it important, the consideration of a Case
of such magnitude shouts! be deliberately proceeded With;
and that . before their 'anal conclusion was formed, some in-
terVain-
terval'sheirld'be aro:wed-to their Lordships to make up their
minds: ' In't his view, , he submitted the propriety of post-.
p.-,ning the' further consideration of the Case to that
_slay
sc'ennighf, which meeting the sense.of the House, his Lord..
ship moved to that etre&i•and it *as ordered accordingly.

.'!'he various Bills befor'e the House were read in their re-
spective stages,among their.. was the Exchequer Bills Bill,
which was read a third rime and 'passed, and a Mesage sent
to ;)N',.dint the Commons therewith. - _

Some Routine and Private Business was also disposed of ;
in the course of the latter, Woo ucocx's Di-;orco Bill, which
stood for a second reading this day, was postponed till Tues-
day next.

Adjourned, till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS,

TUESDAY, FEB. 23.;

Mr.
,CHINNERY, from the Treasury,4resented
the Books kept there in pursuance of the 22d Geo.
111. containing an
.Account of the Money issued
from the Civil List for Special Service or Royal
Bounties, &c.

The Books. havrint been laid upon the Table,

BRAGGt inoled that they might be referred
to the Seleft Committee; to whom the Accounts
respea.ing His Majesty's Civil List, had been re-
ferred.—Ordeted.- . ,

Mr. la.w IN, front "the Customs, presented an
Account Of the cinantity of Cinnamon, &c. 'import-
ed, and the Duty therecin.—Ordered to lie on 'the
Table.

Mr. WILtRAHAM BOOTLE gave notice that he
should shortly move the House for 'leave to bring
in a Bill to compel Churchwardens, Overseers, and
other persons entrusted with the care of the Poor, to
keep Registers of all the Children whom they put
our as. Apprentices.
Colonel WOOD, after a few Observations Which
we did not hear, withdrew the notibe he had given
of a Motion respeling the Game Laws, but said he
should lake anOther opiiortunity of bringing it for_
ward, , after .he had consulted with the Country_
Gentlemen of the different parts of the' United
Kingdom.

Mr, ROBSON rose pursuant to the notice he
gave yesterday, to move
_for an Address to His
IVlajesty, praying that he would .be pleased to give
direaions for laying before the House an A6coUnt of
the '44: per Cent Duties, paid out of the Leeward
Islands from Jan. 1784., to the latest -possible
period, distinguishing the. amount of each- year,
With the amount of the charges, and the names of
the persons to whom they Were 'paid, &c. He,
Said, that as he was not aware of any objeaion that
could be made to_thisMotion, he would not; at 'pre-
sent, occupy the time of the. House by saying any
thing upon the .subjeEt.

Mr. VANSITT4RT sad, that in his appre.
hension, there was no reason whatever for calling
for this Account, because every information that
thi Gentleman could require upon this sub_
jet. was already before the House. In the course
of last summer, an Account of all the Pensions
which had been granted out of, this Pund, was laid
before the House, and if-the Hon. Gentleman wish-
ed to know whether any Pensions had been granted
out of it since that time, it would be easy to frame a
Motion for that purpose, and he, for one, should,
not oppose it. ,He was, therefore, at a loss to know
upon what grounds this Paper was moved 'for, and
unless some satisfa6tory reasons. were advanced for
its podudion, he should oppose the Motion.

,Mr. ROBSON said, if it was true, that the' in-
formation he wanted was ly!fore the House, then
he was taking up thetiMe of the House very unne-
cessarily ; but he conceived that it was not. He
be obliged` to the' Hon. Gentleman if lie
would tell him where he was to get an account of
the produce of these 44. per Cent. Duties ; for that
was one of .the objed,, of his Motion. There cer.
tainly was a Paper pn the Table containing an ac-
count of the charges on this•-F.und,- which he had
seen with astonishment, but he wanted to knoW the
amount of the FUnd.out of which these charges were
paid. There appeared. a sum in the accounts before
he House, but he could not tell whether it.vras the
whole produce of the Fund, or the balance that re-
mained .:Iter all the charges ,were paid. He,cOn-
tended, that he was justified, it point of precedent,
in die Motion which he liad.submitted to the House;
for a 'similar Motion had been made in the year
i 705. One of his moties for. applying for this in-
formation was, because he thought it right that it
should he communicated to the Commit tee On..the
Civil List, and ' if the Paper was produced, he
should move to refer it to that Committee. It aP_
peared to him ako, very materiar,that the House
should know the haloesof the persons _to whom.these,
Pension were paid. He meant also to. contend,
that, by the Aft of Charles ff. there existed: no
right to grant' PensionS out of thiS
Mr. BRAGGE said, that he should not have
troubled tige.House, if it had not been fir; what had'
fallen from the Hon. Gentleman respeding the Com-.
mirtee on the Civil List. He begged leave to say,
as a Member of_that Committee, and he 'was sure
the othei Members of it. would agree with him,
that the Account which the Hon. Gentleman had
moved for; had_ no connedion whatever with the
counts which had been referred to that Coln_
mince: His. -IVlajesty's Message, and the Papers
which had been. presented relativeln the Civil LiSt,-
had been referred to the consideration of that Coni-
mittee, but' therhad nothing to do with-thechaiges
or. the 4.1- per Cent. Duties, because- that Fund
formed no part of the Civil. List, It waaArtie that.
His Majesty had„, at different times,, granted stirns-
Out of this ,Fund in aid of the Civil List, hut, as
f'ar ps that 44s the (7;10; .111 e statement seas before
the l'kue, and before the Committee above stairs ;
and, therefore, they had all the information.that

was necessary upon-the sublet% He begged, there.
fore, on behalfol that Committee, to state, that
they dici not feel any. want Of this:Account, and,
indeed, they could not take notice of it without
out'of their province,. because this Fund
had nothing to do with the Civil List. He hoped,
therefore, that the House would not, oh: that ac..
count alone, grants the Motion at present. With
,regard to the other points 'suggested by the Hon.
Gentleman, it was hardly necessary to discuss
'them, because, if the Hon. Gentleman altogether
denied the right of. granting Pensions out of this
Fund, there were'certainly materials enough before
the House, upon which he.could- found any iMntiOn
.he might think. proper -to make upon that-siibjeti,
because it
.appeared b-efdre the Blouse,, that;eefrtain'
• Pensions iverciaried our of that Furid, and if-7414e
Hon. Gentleman totally denied the right 'of grant-
ing Pensions out of it, the amount of these Pen.
or to whom. they were paid, was of no'covi.
sequence.. Upon these-grounds, he concurred with
his Hon. Friend in thinking, that there .was no
ground laud for granting this Account. With re-
gard to ,the precedent, %%illicit the Hon. Gentleman
had alitided to, unless the House were apprized 'of
the grounds upon which this Paper had been grant-
ed, itcertainly could- have' no effea upon the
present question. .

- Mr. kOSE said, that the Right Hon. Gentleman
who had just sat down, had anticipated the obser-
vations which he meant to submit to the House. It
appeared to him, that all the information which the
Hon,-Gentleman Wanted, was already, before the
House, because there' was upon the Table a detailed
account of all the Governors in the. West Indies
who received Pensions, and also the amount of them.
If the Hon. Gentleman meant to question the power
,of the Crown to grant Pensions out of this Fund,
there were, undoubtedly, plenty of materials before
the House, upon whiCh he might ground his Mo-
,, don. The Hon. Gentleman had said, he relied up_
on an Ad of Parliament; if there was such an Aft,
it would, perhaps, be convenient to. the House, if
the Hon. Gentleman would state what Ad it was.
The Hon. Gentle Man had also stated, that he did
not know, whether the sum which appeared in the
_Papers before the House respeding this Fund, was
the balance, or the whole produce; he begged :io
inform the HonoGentleman,, that it was neither the
one nor the oti?ef.` •' -
•
Dr. L4WRENCE concurred in opinion with
the two Hon. Gentletnen Who had, spoken last.—
He thought this Motion could not, consistently'
with regularity, be acceded to. 'The Hon. Geode.:
man who made the Motion, did not appear to him
to know the nature of the Duties about which_be
had been speaking. They were Duties granted in
lieu of ,Qutt-rents posse4sed by the crown in those
Islands, and were as much the property of the
Crown, as an estate w-as the property of the indivi-
dual who owned it.. They never were considered
as forming a part of the civil List if His Majesty
thought proper to chew his bounty to any perpn
by granting a Pension out of h-, it was necessary
that should appear, and that did appear in the Ac-
counts before the House. But as to any Inquiry
into the amount of the Fund, such as was now pro-
,posed, he should oppose it now or at any other
time, unless some ground indeed was laid for the
Motion but he would not consent to grant it
merely to gratify curiosity. He then proceeded to
notice some inaccuracies in the Papers before the
House, for the Gentleman. whom he succeeded, at
Oxford, still appeared,,by .these Papers, to hold the
situation to which,. he (Dr. •LAwR zNcE) had been
appointed,—
He was then called to Order.

Mr. ROSE, in explanation said, that what had
fallen from the Learned Gentleman respelling the
4.f per Cent. Duties, was only iorrea with regard
to the Island of Barbadoes; in the other Islands
the Quit-rents remained. '

• Mr. ;ONES said, be approved of the Motion,
but advised his Hon. Friend, to withdraw it for the
present, and to bring it forward on somc future
occasion when the: Minister was present, He wish,
ed to have an Account Of the names of the go-
vernors to whoinThe Pensions.were paid, bccauge it
was necessary tO complete the volume, which he
must call the Litre kouge of this Country,
Mr. 131tAdGE explained.
_ Mr. ROSE said, that though the ,names of the
Governors were not mentioned; yet the names of
the Islands, of which they were Governors were
mentioned, which would answer the same.purpose.

Mr. LY. DUNDAS said that no reason had
been assigned for this Motion, and therefore he
should oppose it. 'The Selea Committee did not
want the information which the Hon. G.eritlenian
kindly wished to give them. As to the names of
the Governors, if the HO. Me-mber would look
into what he called the Li ire Roqe, he would ob.
.tain the information he desired. All the Accounts
respeaing the Pensions granted our -of this Fund,
were laid before the House in July last, and if the
Hon. Gentleman. wished to know Whether any had
heed granted since that time, His Hon. Friend (Mr.
VAxstrrAltal had. said that he would not oppose a
Motion to obtain information upon that
_point.
Mr. JoivEs exPlained.
Mr. ROBSON said, the Aft of Parliament to
Which he had alluded, was the At of Charles. 11.
He 'then. withdrew his Motion. <