The Sun.
London, England, 1834-04-30 00:00:00

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That the amendment proposed by his right hon. friend
' stated that Parliament had done every thing they could for
itstated no
resltaatidvote .It it stated that he would not for it ;b it
such thing. It stated that the Parliament had
1)/id great attention to the affairs of Ireland. And who
could deny that it had done so ? The exemplary patience
with which, he was happy to say, the house had listened
to
1 the present discussion, was a proof of that attention.
He repeated that he would not vote for the amendment,
if it declared that every thing had been done for Ireland
that it was possible to do ; but the amendment said no
thatsuchi_ u
thing, and no one who supported it was pledged by
PP'o'rt to any approbation of the whole conduct of
the Parliament towards Ireland.
Ali. LALOR rose ;midst loud cries of " Question,
question ! Reply, reply ! O'Connell, O'Connell !" and the
noise was such throughout the hon. member's speech, that
h~y few words reached the gallery. We understood the
A • gentleman to contend that there was scarcely a sha-
uow of trade cr commerce in Ireland ; that the inferences
that the right hon. the Secretary of the Treasury had
drawn from his statement of exports and imports was en-
tirely fallacious ; and that Ireland before the union was in
4 condition of comparative affluence and prosperity.
lir. E. RUTHVEN next addressed the house, but was
~, received with tremendous shouts and expressions of impa-
tlitee, so that his observations were not more audible than
tct °se of the hon. member who preceded him. He con-
ended that those who asserted that Ireland was happy i
;:rd prosperous, and that her commerce and agrieul-
2re were flourishing, were wholly in error. He knew
glet that was not the case from his own actual obser-
e'atitn, and from his own actual sense. (A laugh.) He
~IrnA Plained that those who had opposed the motion had not
4.-tu the house of the luxuries which -the English people
1- "e enjoying, while the poor Irishman was living on nothing
jilt Potatoes and sour milk. The wages of the Irish work-
'nen in every department of labour had been reduced to a
mere pittance. He denied that the linen manufacture had
im
o• Proved in the north of Ireland. The turn of the spin-
ning-wheel was heard no more ; and his countrywomen
there idle. (A laugh.) The poor were without relief, and
a_ele were no resident gentry to afford it. (The coughing
evuu other noises were so great, that we are unable to give
s e revues ttnihof
fen sm; ost meagre outline of the hon. gentleman's ob- i
still ) He was prepared to prove that Ireland was
nrc ---ertng under the same corrupt system by which the 1
L ion had been carried. After quoting the opinions which
h; ord Plunket had expressed of the union in the Irish par-
. o'reeesnt, the hon. member proceeded to read a list of the
th • and places which that noble lord had obtained under
a :union. It had been contended that if Ireland possessed
,l,arate legislature, that legislature would not be inde-
ruent. That he denied. If Ireland possessed a separate
heegislature, he had vanity enoug. h to suppose that he should
an independent member of it. (A laugh.) 1
Alr. WALKER rose amidst loud cries of "Mr. O'Con-
nell" and " Divide." The hon. gentleman said, that the
„„-eason why he should suppo
grt theoriginal motion was, be- I
"'use he had seen Irelandgetting o
wohe and worse every
Year, because, after thirty-four years ,of connection :with
Ireland, he could not find a period which could be called
°he of good government, because her people were still
without employment, and because the evils resulting from
absenteeism which had been great before, had, since this
union, been so aggravated, as to become absolutely into-
lerable. ( Question, question.) He thought that repeal
would greatly enhance the prosperity of this country, as
well as that of Ireland. - It was, however, in the power
°t his Majesty's Government, and of them alone, to super-
e`,to the necessity for this step, and perhaps to do away
even with the desire for it, by administering justice with
tievtLhands, and giving them good laws. (Hear, and
Q
fer4ine•
Q,, ) . Englishmen and Irishmen ought to be on a per-
',
oighc :lay. There would be an opportunity in a few
prio: i 1 showing whether ministers meant to act on this
some r'whether Irishmen were to have good and whole-
' The , or, at all events, equal laws with Englishmen.
house English and the Irish tithe bills were then before the
of his' an(.l would furnish a good test of the real intentions
Mr i
llajesty's ministers. ( Hear. )
the 1: Bfl A'W rose, but there was so much confusion in
,' hoil."guse that we could gather very little of what the
evidentand karned gentleman said. To him it was a self-
prese Proposition, that the dissolution of the union at
tilater existing between England and Ireland must ulti-
--,..th_Y end in a dissolution of all connexion between them
.1..,_ at there could not be such a thing as an united king-
there was there was an united Parliament. It had been
silff2, clearly and unanswerably, that Ireland had not
land in one single instance by her connexion with Eng-
' kna 4, Great uproar, and loud calls for Mr. O'Connell,
gilt ti, ,i,vide, divide !") He should not have offered him-
ilea i the house, exhausted as it was, but that he had
sable ,an, he
prevailed in some quarters that upon this
Waver( he had changed his opinion, or, at all events, was
he A-.l:lng in them. He was aware of how little importance
individually (Loud cheers), but at the same time
vittild not like Isis sentiments to be misunderstood on so
of 1 rhea question as that before the house. A dissolution
in ~, union would end in a dismemberment of the empire,
logs hOll that weak which was before strong—in the utter
titit°' Ireland to England, and in the entire ruin of that
th'atalTY country itself. (Great uproar.) He must say
aieniere were great faults to be found with the govern-
even for they did not bear the scales of justice with an
by far and, but at one time relaxed the power of the laws
s!vrAirrirttNo,7 much, and. and. at another stretched them to undue
1T-es of " Question !" " Divide !" and
' • CO ' '
• sow' ROC
AE . „ ,-,IIE addressed the house, at least we sup-
table, is: ,' tne hon. gentleman stood some time at the
so th we could not hear one word which fell from him,
great was the confusion.
Were% JAMES next rose, but the calls for Mr. O'Connell
gent.h:° loud and persevering that the hon. and learned
I Ivolip-ulan advanced to the table. Mr. James, however,
11_ e not give way, and we at length heard him say that
t6):"°oght it rather hard that some hon. gentlemen were
p4th"e allowed to address the house for six hours, whilst
, ers sore not permitted to do it for six minutes. (Hear,
Ztiti laughter.) He had listened very attentively to part
ba,the speeches which had been delivered during the de-
' t,,-', and those which he had not heard he had taken the
ellhle to read (Loud laughter) ; and he must Treasury, that no
tior that speech of the talented Secretary of the
nor ectlat of the hon. gentleman the member for Belfast,
hel„,:ri the brilliant oration of the right hon. baronet
eessity 07., (sir R. Peel), had convinced him of the ne-
not cou,j;'flitiouing the union. (Loud cheers.) He was
(Roars of e(1, because he had been previously convinced
'iot my I,,aughter) because he was previously convinced,
ternentil ot.the necessity of continuing the union, but of
~itaertirnediluilmigsetnitb. more closely than ever by the speech of the
er for Dublin himself. (Great cheering from
heard a eriai, echoed by the repealers.) He never
II!? fact, counsel advocate a bad cause in a worse manner ;
t ,Itieed hni_s speech of four hours had more than ever con- 1
.441 Irei in (Mr. James) that the union between England If and was wise, . laticill•• C. o,ow -e, Just, politic, and expedient.
lion cries of ~ YER supported the original motion, amid
ato; wad le Question.' It was true, he said, that his
c 4 , (II arned friend the member for Dublin was an agi-
hn„ear, h„ ear,*) Yes, it was true that he was an agitator.
li `'• and sf• ) He repeated again that it was true that his
taZr. ) y earned friend was an agitator. (Hear, hear,
I (fit (Imlrtes, it was true that his hon. friend was an agi-
' tar II ense shouts of " Hear"), and it was equally true
'neinhe,•' rear, and Oh, oh) that the hon. and learned.
that h th 1-
fatf; °n• a,,d ,e University of Dublin was another agitator,
wb:"'Tl which `earned gentleman was the leader of another
ivh4h woal,f,4rayed itself against this Government, and
,ion should array itself against every other government
,ha, question tare to grapple with ascendancy. (Ques-
t„e!hpion of ti.e) That hon. and learned gentleman.was no
,ehfacy of Ireland.l:) ace, no representative of the chivalric aris-
o a very humble . (Qnestion, question.) He was. him-
',t
wi,, .
aveienrswievaidsculn , and did not complain per-
l'u'lrallY of the mble
di
nwhichehe
teehda:c2loy beenutihde hocast upon the
‘%ut,tel!hia.inn w(hliecharh), but this
say,n anthdatleatrhneerde
NI In that party men of as large fortune
1,1;i,,0f a. long a line of ancestry (oh, o'hts good family,
roamndhhciierimaels.seill,ofg.f
liest,on") as the hon. and learned gentleman
th: Impatience of the house prevented us
riernainder of these observations.
1.4 p,°'CONNELL again rose to reply amid the gene-
Aftt of the house, but
`:!, '.\4l (PREILLY insisted on his right to be heard, and
'e gig O'Connell resuming his seat, said he had intendedf
laerta.w silent vote upon this question, as he had never
f Pre in'd a doubt as to the justice, necessity, and policy
Ihfaly Zi'virig the union between England and Ireland, and
al)ten ,Dived from that intention, it was because pains
Ile jnisre,,,tn in his absence to misconstrue his motives,
a should '''sent his Views upon the subject. (Hear. )
eldp learrie-4trenuously oppose the proposition of the hon.
ti, ressino. t_ernber for Dublin, and should concludesbay.
t nu' t, a 110,, .
Ikt I°ll between u for the long con.tinuance of the legi i
It `r• 0,,. the two countries. (Question.)
whippeared s'#'I,NELL then addressed the house in reply..
shoe,w the ',s' nirn that there were now two propositions in
topi4j co-oarh:e. was agreed. The first was,
compass the
toil:is Whij:Ts into the smallest possible _
that he
114'4' that'tir, 1'24 to urge in reply (Hear); and the se
I% :il•:''' har ,Is debate was and must be eminently useful.
Pe ~3 in its 7/ It could not but be eminently useful, and
Ner,i''' afrairier.Y nature calculated to be more useful than
Na" 's4i ~..4.1t would prove. Let him—for this was a
Drestil'w i;'-,'-`,.-let hm, without the slightest affectation,
Mr e'm ha-fi'hieVy's2 Ministers, if they agreed, as he
tint, at"'°11:1: did io-ree 'w.th the riht hon. member
t ance of -, theysto •°- -'•i- Englandof the
.0 rofke, the 1 . the importance to
;
hat uni'.: how egislative union between the two countries,
',earned 'l4 vorntiwerful the demand for the dissolution of
:3' n„rtlttinb,i, ,„e, were it made, not, as the hon. and
1 ttire pat~ of ~,"4. the University of Dublin had said,
1 41:':4e tabild lindi,i,t't population of Ireland, but by its
I '4 th at li "ed le. ( Hear, hear. )He was well
t Ple ,A. at the alias weakening h. ,
,li, -, irca e ent., is own argument when he
i 'ghis' eland • 1,-Ild was made by a part only of the peo-
' after liig th , init he (I'dnot 'wish to succeed by at all
I
._ .e
ii ,the ,„11'i/11,,..t the,,t1.11,(11.; indeed, that would be impossible,
If rt'4,it ' rsai i',en.L.t heard recently within those walls. If
" iv. ' 'vas it ad
of Ireland did not concur with him at
3 411,Lt,itItcitir,.? ''0,1,,,t possible that they might hereafter con-
ti l4 eti, fo °tad ti,t` ue .-,anie cif playing us course against
4t the r this disccontinue long—another must be
Y hatt Aussiou must have shown the government
not the hearts of the majority Of tilg ntll/1"