The Sun.
London, England, 1856-04-03 00:00:00

LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, APRIL 3 1856.

AUSTRALIA.

By .way of 13atavia, .where the barque Cossack had
arrived from Victoria, some copies of the Melbourne
Argus have been received to the 7th January.
The mining and commercial news from Melbourne
were, on 'the whole, satisfactory. Trade was dull,
as usual at this season of the year, and very few
of the diggers had quitted the mining districts for
Melbourne, as customary at Christmas. Nows from
Baliarat states that Mining operations were some-
what slack, and the miners were enjoying the fes-
tivities of the season. Disturbances between the
miners and Chinese were still of frequent occur-
rence, the. Europeans being the principal aggressors.
Great preparations were made at the diggings for
new_year's rejoicings, which were interrupted by
news of the death of Sir Charles Hotham, and the
rejoicings were everywhere postponed.
At Melbourne- gold remained quiet at 31.13 x. per
ounce. On January 5, H.M.S. Fantome sailed
for England via Sydney. ThOprice of wool had a
downward 'tendency;' 17id. was realised ou one
large flock, which, at the beginning of December,
would., have commanded a penny more. Tallow, .
good mixed, was sold at auction at 391. ss. ; very
superior mution,tallow at 421. • A large parcel of
hides was sold on January 6, at 13s. 6d. Agricul-
tural labourers were in great demand, as also female.
servants for the diggings.
The Red Jacket was to leave Melbourne for. En-
gland on January 8.
The death of Sir Chas. Rotham, Goer-
nor of Victoria,' took place suddenly .at Melbourne
on the 31st December. The remains of his Excel-
lency were interred on January 4, marked by the
most public mare, all the shops being closed out
of respect for the departed governor.
The temporary government of Victoria is in the
hands of General Macarthur, commanding the mi-
litary.

Accounts from Sydney have been received to the
6th Jan. The news is of minor interest. Mr. Mil-
ford has, been appointed lour:-,h judge of the Su-
preme Court,. mid is succeeded by Mr. Carey as
Master in
.Equity, Mr. Purefroy becoming Chief
Commissioner of. Insolvent Estates, and the Direc-
tor of Intestate Estates. Sir Alfred Stephens, the
Chief Justice was about to proceed on a visit to
Melbourne. Mr. Merewether, the Colonial Trea-
surer, had proceeded to Van Diemen's Land for
the benefit of his health. The news of the fall of
Sebastopol had been celebrated in grand style. Sir
Wm. Denison is journeying westward, and will
probably go to the sonthern diggings before return-
ing to Sydney.

THE LOSS OF THE ROYAL MAIL STEAMER

SOllO 518 ERG.

The loss of the royal mail ship Schumberg within
about 30 miles of Port Philip Heads, on her out-
ward passage, has caused the utmost excitement in
the colony, and the peculiar and aggravating cir-
cumstances connected with the disaster have been
notified by the passengers in an "indignation "
meeting held at Melbourne.

•
From the Argus of Jan. 7it appears that the mat-
ter. was to be taken up by Government. The emi-
gration agent was about to lay information at the
instancaof the passengers. The wreck of theSchom-
berg has been visited by Lloyd'e agent; she was not
totally broken up, but there wa, no opportunity of
conariatinica:ing with the wreck—it was not ex-
pected that anything would be saved.
On the 3d Jan. the passengers by the Schoenberg
convened a public meeting at the Mechanics' insti-
ttition, Mr. G. Hawker in the chair, who explained
that the, object of the meeting was to, investigate
the cause of the wreck, and to reclaim the baggage
of the passengers. The gross immoralities com-
mitted on hoard, and the utter carelessness of Cap-
tain Forbes and his officers, may be gathered from
the statements of the passenger s and the resolu-
tions carried at the meeting, as given in the Argus
of the 4th January.
Mr. Melville proposed the first resolution. He said
he was one of the unfortunate passengers by the Schom-
berg. He had been requested to atte,,d, and he had ac-
cordingly done so, and begged to propose the first reso-
lution, which was as follows :—" Resolved—That the
conduct of the captain, the surgeon, and officers of the
Schomberg was ungentlemanly, discourteous, and tyran-
nical, and grossly immoral." He might say, in refer-
ence to the ungentlemanly, d'ecourteous, and tyrannical
conduct of the captain, that Vlore could be no doubt of
it ; but he must add that there were some exceptions
amongst the officers—although he thought it would be
better not then to specify them. He hal suffered con-
siderably from the conduct of the captain, for when be
started he had 2,0001. in his pocket, and he had then
only 5001., and had it not been that he carried the latter
sum about his person, he should, beyond all doubt, have
landed in Melbourne a beggai.
Mr., Norris cordially agreed with the resolution. The
conduct of the officers was bat, and he understood
that a pro Per iavestigation would at once be instituted.
(Hear.) lie hoped that it would be so.
Mr. Fern said that after the resolution which ha I been
proposed he did expect that some ioformation would be
given—that some specific charge would have been made
to substantiate the sweeping assertions it contained. He
must say that it was un- Englisk and unfair t wake
such charges without bringing forward something to
support them. A- far as they bad gone, not one word
of the resolution was proved. He stood there not as a
friend of Captain Forbes, but as a friend of fair play,
and it would, in his opinion, be a disgrace to the meet-
ing and its chairman to pass this resolution unless better
grounds for it were shown. Mr. Melville shou'd have
cited some instants of the tyranny or immorality of
Captain Forbes to,supp)rt a resolution of this nature,
and until some such case were brought forward he for
one should hold up his hand against the resolution.
Mr. Gotkin would give one instance of the tyranny
and discourteousness of the captain, and, that was to-
wards Air. Melville. The captain entered Mr. Molvil!e's
caloiris,haonrdtotf provisions—in latter gentleman
fact maanc2omplained that he was
kept
tie provisions were of
nitha half
fit for
starved, amid
adg.thatTo
a quality
this the 'captain replied that they were a set of 'dirty
dogs, and what they had was good enough. (Hisses )
Mr. Greeve, jun., said that the partition separating
the first and second intermediate classes had been re-
moved in spite of the petition to the contrary of the se-
cond class passengers, who, in consequence of its re-
moval, suffered considerable annoyance.
Mr. Carpenter said that, as another instance of the
tyranny of the captain, he might state that he had taken
two unfortunate Irishmen out of their berths in the night,
and confined them in the wheel-house until four or five
o'clock in the morning. He called them, at the same
time, " a -- Irish crew and set of rebels," and said
that tie would be dawn on them."
Mr. Stark said that another instance of tyranny on
the part of the captain was when one of the passengers
bberoinugghshtofrotrwinarwdeisgohmte
The provisions
to complain of their
captain, instead of hearing
him, only told him to go forward to his cabin. The
passenger remonstrated, and the captain shoved him
violently forward, and said, " Go down to your cabin,
or I will kick you down." Was that tyrannical conduct
or not 1 (Hear.)

Mr. Stockdale said that he, too, could add something
to support the resolution. That the conduCt of the cap-
tain and his officers had been immoral no one on board
of the ship had the slightest doubt. There were two
"lady" passengers on board in the second cabin, one of
them belonging to his (Kr. Stookdale's) mess, No. 8.
These females were kept out of their cabins by the cap-
tain and his officers until very unseasonable hours. The
first occasion on which any dispute arose on the matter
was when one of these ladies was kept in the captain's
cabin until 1 o'clock iu the morning. The second lady
preferred the daylight, for she carne back at 4 in the
morning, and then only in her night dress. (" Oh 1" and
"Shame.") The door of her cabin, however, was shut
against her, and she did not obtain entrance until an ex-
posure of her conduct had been made. If this was the
conduct of those having under their charge the lives of
hundreds of passengers, he would ask any one present if
it was decent or proper, or whether, if they had a fe-
male, or even a male relative, coming out to the colonies,
they would allow them to come on board a ship with
which Captain Forbes had anything to do ? The mess
to which he belonged, No. 8, passed a resolution request-
ing the lady he had referred to to withdraw, as there
were other ladies in it, and the result was that the next
morning the captain came down, in a bullying manner,
blackguarding them, and threatening them with irons ;
and when they attempted to justify'their conduct, he re-
plied that he would not believe the word of any man at
the table. (shame.) Mr. Gotkin spoke to him in very
moderate terms, and was told that if he said anather
word he should be pat in irons instanter. He was in•
formed in reply that if he dared to carry out such a
threat he would on his arrival find-the colony too hot to
hold him. Their provisions were not of the quality, nor
in the quantities, they were led to expect, nor ha 1 their
contracts been fulfilled. They were aware that by the
act of Parliament they were allowed three quarts of fresh
water per diem, over and above that required for cook-
which
they was
got same bad at
filters. Further on in the passagelhe allowance of sugat
log. During the first part of the voyage they had never
received more than two quarts, and latterly not more
than a Tian and a half, hardly more than enough to
becamewash with.
first, Thebet t better, a qualitynd soon
ot
nh e
afterwards water,
was stopped for nearly a week, and when they remou
strated, instead of sugar they got molasses, although not
a word about molasses was said in the dietary scale.
They refnsed the molasses, and were then put on half-
rations of moist sugar, of a quality that he felt assured
'lnoue in that room would use. It was apparently thr-
sweepings of loaf and moist sugar, and was more dirt
than anything else. A number of the passengers went
to the purser and asked him to change it. He said that
he could not do it, that the sugar had been given out
by order of the captain. He (Mr. Stockdale) said
tkkt WM met =gentlemanly to offer theta puck sum

as that. The purser said, " Do you call that bad sugar?"
I.The answer was " Yes ;" and he replied, " I'll be --
if I change it for you or anybody else," The manner in
which their meals were served up to them was mo re
fitting for a parcel of pigs.than for human heings. Their
table requisites were reduced by breakage until at length
they were c mapelled to eat soup, pudding, and meat off
the same plate, and to drink tea out of tine and tum-
blers. They had been obliged to eat their pudding off
their plate bottom upwards—(laughter)—and the tables
were seldom washed, and were so dirty that, disgusted
with their appearance, he had frequently set to and
washed them himself. (Cheers and laughter.)
Mr. Carpenter moved, as an ameniment to the resolu-
tion, the insertion of the worth, " some of the officers."
Mr. Melville seconded the amendment.
Mr Belson said that it was a notorious fact that the
captain of the Schomberg kept a woman in the second
cabin, and the same thing with the doctor. It wail
every day, all day, and all night. When he went to the
doctor for some medicine he saw this female sitting in
bis cabin.

A Passenger—l have seen her in the bed. It was on
St. Stephen's Day.
Mr. Kelsen—When the steamer came to their rescue,
none of the passengers were allowed to take any luggage
with them. It was with great difficulty that be took
his writing-desk. The captain, however, came on board
with one of these women in a small boat, and they had
a lot of boxes, containing nearly all,.if not the whole, of
her luggage;
Mr. Charles said that Miss had a similar indul-
gence allowed to her. She was the doctor's lady. Her
luggage Wiis'taken away with the mail bags. -
The question was thee put from the chair, and the
amendment declaied to kro carried. -
Mr. Gotkin moved"'the second resolution :—" Re-
solved, That it is not only the general impression of the
passengers by the St-homberg, but to the certain know-
ledge of many of those here assembled, that the loss of
that fine ship can only be attributed to the gross negli-
gence of the captain." The vessel at the commence-
ment of the voyage had borne very rough weather, and
had behaved well. When the intelligence was brought
to the captain that the vessel was nearing the shores
why did he not come up ? No, be indulged too much in
his own pleatures to care for the safety of his passenger..
He did not wish to say much against the captain, how-
ever, for they had been at variance on board the ship,
but he felt that the public at urge should be satisfied.
When the captain was made aware of the dangerous posi-
tion of the ship he did certainly come up, and told the
crew to put the ship in stays. His orders were obeyed,
and one of the officers told him soon afterwards of the
vessel, and he replied, " Let her go to h-1, and tell me
when she is on the beach." If such were the words he
used, was it not deign rather than negligence which
cast her ashore ? It might be asked why was he at
variance with the captain. It was because he (Mr.
Gotkin) would not sanction his immoral conduct. He
had, however, done much to screen him. When the
cabin-door was locked, and the woman came down at
half-past four in the morning, he had endeavoured to
break the lock of the door for her, but failed in the at-
tempt. (great laughter.) He had been abused by the
person wno had locked the door, and he stated to the
captain what had happened, and he seemed satisfied
with the way in which he acted. When the captain was
informed by the third officer thee, the ship was approach
ing the shore, land had been seen at least an hour, if not
more. The captain, who was in his cabin, however,
told him to get out of that, and not be bothering him.
Mr. Stockdale fully coincided with the resolution. He
was of opinion that the conduct of the captain from the
outset had been reckless in the extreme. The first time
he bad cause to find fault with him was when they
sighted an iceberg in the Southern Ocean, when the cap-
tain ran the vessel so close that in Isis (11r. Stockdale's)
opinion the keel must have gone over a portion of it.
Oa another uccaydon, on meeting with anather vessel, be,
without any specific purpose, ran so close that be carried
away the signal haul yards. (" Oh," and "Shame.")
lie afterwards made a joke of it. Previous to the ves-
sel stranding he felt greatly alarmed, for the general im-
pression amongst the passengers was that they were in
some danger, and even tne doctor hiwselt admitted that
it was land they saw. Attempts were made to awaken
the watch ; and he saw the trees even, and informed the
captain of it, when he came ou the forecastle with his
night glass in his hand. It was more than ten minutes
after tuat that any preparation was made to "'bout
ship," and the vessel, when she did strike, wept on the
reef in such a wanner that it would be almost impossible
to get her off again.
Mr. Johnson, a mariner, said that if the anchor bad
been ready to drop when the vessed missed stays she might
have been saved. The chain cable had been got up tour
or five days before they made the laud, but it was never
beat, nor was the anchor raised. The ship might easily
have been saved after she missed stays if the anchor had
been let go. - - • -
Mr. Williams said that when the vessel struck be was
on the forecastle. He bad been there from 10 o'clock,
and many of the p sseengers had seen land a-head. He
told a man name Cavanagh to awaken the watch, who
were asleep. Cavanagh (who was a passenger to Syd-
ney) roared out that there was land a-head, and the first
mate, who heard him, said it was only a cloud. He called
out a second time, and they then stopped him. He was
sr convinced that the ship would strike, that he ran
down to some friends of his in the second cabin, and told
them to put on their clothes. He said that it was not
his intention to go to bed, and he advised them not to
do so either. He said that, in his Opinion, the ship
would be wilfully run against the beach. This impres-
sion arose front his want of confidence in the captain,
and from his proceedings ou the previous evening. Suoh
was his impression then, and so it remained. The
captain had once t treetened to put him in irons
because he looked at him ; he had no other ex•
cuse for doing so. He did look at him, and was
not afraid to look at him now, nor was he afraid to state
before him every word he bad just uttered. He was
nut a ❑autical man, and knew nothing of navigation, but
he stated his own impressions freely, and was ready at
any time to assert them, and prove them, if that was of
any use. (Cheers.)
The resolution was then put, anti carried unanimously.
Mr. Carpenter moved the third resolution —" Teat
this meeting is of opinion that the contracts entered into
between James B c net and Co., of Liverpool, and the
passengers by the Schonberg, hare not been fulfilled."
As to the provisions they bad received they were not
fit for use. Tne preserved potatoes were tolerable, but
even they were such as any man on shore would repu.
diate. As to the pork—
A Voice—They killed the pigs after they died. (Great
laughter.)

Mr. Carpenter—The salt pork was brought to table in
such a state as to be quite disgusting, and even the cap-
tain's special favourites in the e cond cabin could not
tuuch it.

Mr. Cmolly seconded the resolution.
Mr. Charles said that they were led to believe that
they were to have a bath room, but how had that pro-
mise been kept ? The bath-room was turned into a dun-

geon for a tua.iman. (A. Voice—" What made bins
mad ?") He verily believed that he was made mad by
the cruel conduct of the captain and his officers.
Mr. Wharton said that he agreed with the resolution,
for they had a great cause to complain. Neither the
proper quantity or quality of previsions had been served
out to them. For instance, the, had four ducks and four
knuckles of ham to mess a number of the passengers,
and frequently the provisions were in such a condition
that several of the passengers left the saloon and went

without dinner, which, however, he could not afford to
do. They often had soup that sank, and meat that was
tainted. After the strong inducements which the Black

Ball line ha I hell out to theta, and the way in which
they had been fulfilled, he felt that irithing too severe
could be said against them. As to the provisions, the
water supplied was scarcely drinkable ; the Hock and
Moselle ran out, except a couple of dozen, which the cap-
tain retained for his own 1160 ; and the sherry was so bad
that they had once or twice to send it back. As to the
meat, it was always "pork, pork; pork." They had, in
short, an infamous steward, and a blackguard cook—
two very great evils o❑ board a vessel. (Laughter.)
Mr. Kelson would add to what Mr. Wharton bad said
that during the latter part of the 'voyage they had been
fed on pork, although plenty of poultry remained. He
would also remark that the chief steward on board the

Schoenberg was a man who had bee❑ disgraced and dis-
missed from the James Batne4.

The resolution was then put and carried.
Mr. Stockdale moved t'ie fourth resolution—'° That a
deputation be app-inted to wait on his Excellency the
officer administering the Government, praying that an
investigation be held into the clreuinstances attending
the loss of the Schoenberg, and the property of the pas-
sengers."
Mr. Kelson seconded this resolution, which was car-
ried unanimously.
Mr. Miller moved—" That a vote of thanks be given
to Capt. Doran, of the steam-ship the Queen, for his
ready exertions to rescue the passengers ; and also to
the passengers on board for their readiness to submit to
inconvenience, to enable the passengers of the Schoen-
berg to be forwarded to Melbourne."

This was seconded by Mr. Adam, and carried.
Dr. Milton moved a vote of thanks to the passengers
•,f the Schomberg who had taken the necessary steps to
bring this matter fully before the public.
Mr. 111`Gregor seconded this resolution, which was
supported I,y Mr. Porter, and al-o carried.
A deputation was then appointed; and a vote of thanks
to the chairman terminated the proceedings.

CRYSTAL PALACE—SHILLING DAY, April 2.—Ad-
missions on payment, 2,076 ; ditto by season tickets,
484 ; total visitors, 2,560.
... _ -

THE MAILS.-Oi;THAMPTON., April 2.—The Royal
Mail Company's steam-ship Parana, Capt. Wilson, sailed
,his afternoon with the mails for the West Indies,
Mexico, and the Pacific, 88 passengers (among whom
tre Baron Duval and General' Delva), 5,000/, in specie,
jewellery value 1,0001., and a full c r.zo of general mer-
chandise. The Peninsular and OrientaliCompany's screw
ateam-ship Pera, Captain Soy, will leave on Friday with
he East India, China, and Mediterranean mails. The
Euxine, Captain J(,y, with the homeward portion of the
India Mails, is expected about the same day. The
United States mail steam-ship Herman, Capt. Higgins,
with the next mails from New York, is expected to ar-
rive off Cowes, Cn mite to Bremen about Saturday next,

IRELAND.

DUBLIN, WEDNESDAY MORNING.
THE TIPPERARY BANK.--MORE DISCLOSURES.
A brief notice has been given of the proceedings
in reference to this unfortunate bank which took
place on Monday in the office of the Master in
Chancery. As some new disclosures, bearing upon
the;gigantic" system of fraud carried on by John
Sadletr, were elicited in the course of tlie Investi-
gation, a further report is subjoined of the impor-
tant evidence given by Messrs. Kennedy and Mor-
rough, solicitors, of Great Denmark-street :
Mr. James B. Kennedy was sworn and examined by
Mr. Lawless—Have you in your possession securities,
notes, or bonds of any kind, the property of the Tippe-
rary Bank ?---Yes, I have.
Indepen lent of those securities, do you know of others
of similar classes?—Yes, I do.
I mean securities that were vested in the Tipperary.
Bank, and which are not in your possession ?—Vested
either in the Tipperary Bank or in trust for it.
To Mr. Lawless—l have lodged two partnership deeds
of the bank, one being a very old one, which I believe
was superseded by the other, a subsequent one ; any of
the securities we have in our .p ,ssession we are prepared
to ledge in court as a matter of cairse.
Master•—Of course, without prejudice to your lien.
Mr. Lawless—Could you mention any of the securi-
ties that are in your possession ?
Witne-s—There is a mortgage, I think, of the Glen-
gall estate, for 12,0001., which, I believe, was the money
of the bank. It was made about April, 1847, to Mr.
Antony Norris, of London, as trustee for the bank.
He has denied to me, by his letters of a very recent
date, that he held that moitgage as trustee.
Are you able to give a list of the properties pur-
chas .d by the late Mr. Fa Heir in the Encumbered Es-
tates Court ?—Yes, I can give you it.
Are you able to state how he disposed of them ?—I
am. He sold the greater portion of them, and he also
assigned a portion to the Landon and County Bank.
Mr. Lawless—We shall require all the particulars of
these properties. To your knowledge, did Mr. Sadleir
ever make, or agree to make, any assignment of those
properties in favour of the Tipperary Bank ?
Witness—He did. As well as I remember, the date
was March, '65. I was not present at it, but Mr.
Keatinge came over to Ireland with a letter from Mr.
Sadleir, which I saw. I have not got that letter; Mr.
Keatinge, I presume, has it.
Master—Were any of the purchases made with a view
of gi yin; any security to the Tipperary B tiik ?
Witness—They were not made fur that purpose, to
my knowledge.
Mr. Lawless—Are you acquainted with the personal
property of Mr. Sadleir ?—No, not intimately ; I heard
he p ,ssessed a great many shares in the Sw.s,, Swedish,
and R 'lvan railways, and matters of that kind.
Master—Will you be able to let us know the arrears
of rent due fur those properties up to the time of his
death ?

Witness—Yes, certainly ; but it will take some time.
We can give you the particulars of all the estates that he
purchased in Ireland up to the day previous to his
death ; there were twenty assignments of them to the
London and County Bank. Idon't think we have copies
of those assignments; I knew nothing about it until the
deeds were sent to be registered. Some of them were
not registered at first on account of the stamps not being
sufficient for the practice in this country, and besides
there was no consideration money stated. Registry
being refused here they were taken back to London.
They were returned with some form of certificate from
Somerset House, and then they were registered.
Master—Was there not a mortgage of some part of
the Kingston property, of plate, furniture, and other
matters in Lord Kingston's house
Witness—Yes, there was ; I cannot tell from memory
when it was executed ; I don't know where the original is.
Mr. Ke.insdy (to Mr. Lawless)—l think there were
three purchases of property in the Encurnoered Estates
C end made by Mr. James Sadleir. Two of these were iu
his own name, an i one was in the naine of a third party ;
the first was the house quarter of Coolna.uauck, about
August, 1852, far 8,500/. ' - that was made by himself
and is his own name, and the purchase deed was exe-
cuted. He has since been in possession of it. I could
not state the rental. The greater part of that property
is in his own hands. He has a ste4vard named Rafferty.
The next of these properties that he purchased was a
small portion of White's estate. I don't know the name
of the lands in the county of Tipperary. The sale was
made "In re Matilda White." The purchase money
was 8001. He is now in possession of this property, the
conveyance of which was exceeded to himself. The
otter property is called Kllconnell, near Cashel, and'the
purchase money was 5.300/. The conveyance was exe-
cuted to a Mr. Farinery J. L'sw, of London. I do not
know how it happened that the conveyance was exe-
cuted to Mr. LAw.

Mr. Lawless.—Have you the means of ascertaining
from what source Mr. James Sadleir procured the par•
chase money of those three estates ?
Witness.-4 have not the slightest idea.
Examination continued.—At present it would be bard
to tell the rental of the Kilconnell estate ; I think it is
over 800/. a•year, sul.ject to a sort of rent-charge of 1841.
We have a rental of it ; I think we have printed rentals
of the other two estates, and we can furtain all. In the
las'. petitioned property the tenancies have been charged
since the sale. Mr. James Sadleir has been in the re-
ceipt of Vie rents of the Kilconnell estate. Mr. Law
never went into possession of it..
Master.--Do you know if -Mr. Sadleir has any one in
charge of the unoccupied portiAn of it ?
Witness.—Mr. Byrne, of Blackrook, is the agent over
it, and he has a steward there. I appointed Mr. Byrne
agent on the part of Mr. James Sadleir. Mr. Law's
name was usel in the appointment of the agent, but
practically and beneficially be was appointed for Mr.
James Sadletr.

Mr. Lawless.—lt was not Mr. Law who paid the
purchase money.
Witmei4.—N.), the money was Mr. Saileir's.
Maiter.—When you were asked whether Mr. Law was
aware of the matter or not, you said emphatically, "He
18 nor."

WI less—l did not at the moment remember that I
had rect iced a letter from him in connection wih the
estate previous to the taking out of the conveyance. I
believe that when the estate was purchased he did not
know it was in his name. Within the last fortnight an
assignment of the property to Mr. James Sadleir has
been prepared and sent over to Mr. Law for his signa-
ture. I understand Mr. Jag. Sadleir has another estate
in Tipperary, called Ballynalode, which he had previous
to his marriave. I believe it is settled. According to the
English practice, whare property is settled there is one
deed fur the la.ly and another for the gentleman, and I
have a counterpart of Mr. Sadleir's deed. I believe be
got 10,0001. with Mrs. Sadleir. It was ve,t,sd in trus-
tees. I don't remember the terms of the settlement.
Master—As far as I could understand the settlement,
it gives her a life use Nith remainder to Mr. Sadleir in
case he shall survive her, and in default of survivor.ship,
and in the event of there being ne chiliren, the property
goes back to Mrs. Sadleir's relttives, and his own pro.
perty is disposed of in a similar manner.
Mr. Lawless—There is personal property, consisting
of furniture, &c., comprised in some of the deeds. Is it
still at Mitcbelstosu ?
Witness —lt is.
Mr. I.lleldLn—With the exception of some at a silver.
smith's in London.

Dir. Lawless—Has any portion of that been disposed
of by the mortgagees?
Mr. Meldon—lt was removed by Lord Kingston pri-
vately, and afterwards was stopped by an injuuction at
the suit of Lord Lorton.

Mr. Morrogh was then sworn and examined by Mr.
Lawless as follows : —The date of the inort4age of Lord
Giengall's property is April, 1847 ; it was mane by Lord
Glengal! to Mr. A. Norris, the amount being 10,5001. ;
there ara no trusts declared on the face of the deed.
Mr. Lawless- Was it intended as a trust for any per-
sons or any company 1
Witness—l have no means of stating, but my general
impression is that the money was the property of the
Tipperary Bank. There has not been any payment of
interest on that mortgage since, but the ultimate pay-
ment of the amount is secure, fur the charges on the fee
have been met by the sale of a sufficient portion of the
lands in the Encumbered Estates Court.
Master—Had Mr. Norris any other securities of Lord
Gleugall ?

Witness—He had, I think, previous to the date of the
mortgage, but they were all merged in it.
Mr. Lawless—Do you know what they were ?
Witness—They were for money lent to Lord Glen-
gall, and to his agent for him, from time to time, for
years before the mortgage.
Was that money lent by Mr. Norris or by the bank ?
—lt was the Tipperary Bank that supplied the money.
Was Mr. Norris aware of that I—He was aware it was
supplied by John Sadleir, or by the Tipperary Bank ;
the pleadings in the suit of " Norris v. Lord Glengall "
would disclose the extent of Mr. Norris's knowledge of
the circumstances.
Was any account open in the books of the bank in re-
lation to the Glengall estate ?—There has been.
Was it on draughts on that account that the money
was advanced to Lord Glengall ?—NO ;
that account
was not opened for some time subsequent to the execu-
tion of the securities.
The pleadings in Norris and Glengall state the fact
that the security is claimed by Mr. Norris as trustee ?
A cross bill was filed in 1847 by Li rd Glengall, to im-
peach the transaction, on the ground of his having been
overcharged some interest, and he subsequently signed a
consent dismissing his bill with costs, and then executed
the security.
Was there any answer by Mr. Norris to that cross
suit ?—Yes.
In connection with the securities held by the Tipper.
ary Bank affecting Lord Kingston's estate there is a
certain number of policies of insurance. Do you know
in whose possession they are ?
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Sadieir to London,•
curities kept in our office ; and in March, 1854, he
wrote to state that they were lost, and to inquire as to
getting duplicates of them. I will furnish a list of those
policies.
Master—ge nadentand sou, the meeey wai for*
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