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London, England, 1851-06-17 00:00:00

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ssion of officers, and in the following yearn Com-
tsita, appointed by that Heese went fully into the sub-
Ki`tti and reported unanimously in favour et Mr. needeit's
the estimates before teem.
ssafter a few words from Colonel DuNNE and Mr. F.
tem the vo'e was agreed to.
444,000/. to defray the expense of the construction of
harbours of refuge.
Mr. BUMF hoped that this vote would be pooponed
Ohl the reports respecting them were laid before the
%Ilk. These works were commenced when Govern-
11..„edaty
eitivelere under a panic that the country would be ins-
invaded. He proposed that the vote should be
,eed by 60,000 L, leaving that for the Channel Llands
r,„!ieture consideration, when they had the report re-
s'Z
retiote them before t hem.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXC'HEQUER thought
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44 the opinion of the Hon. Member last year that
works in the Channel Islands should be proceeded
"°. The truth was, that these works were all in the
ksrse of forwardness, and it would be a great loss to
"ape
the ad operations at present. On the harbour of Dover
s.° was 34.0001 expended.
1):Ir• PLUMPTRE said that the inroads of the sea at
ter were be comine. quite alarmieg. The tmu was
putreat danger, and the harbour conatnissioners were
te to great expense in building sea walls to keep out
ellies, for which there would be no necessity if they
it.' a
.supply of beach which was now carried into deep
lr ater
COBDEN said that when the vote for the Chantel •
Islands was lest year before the House he suggested
d, tthey should have had the estimates respecting them
tlllwee-il HP in the same: form an the navy esematee with
se columns. They were voting away a large :win of
to neY every year for Alderney, which was only about
ee miles long and half a mile wide. The estimated
txr
hel2!ose of the harbour there was twice as much as would
;base the whole island. He had never heard any
ophcatiens from Lloyd's or other panics for a harlaiur
t l'tfuge there. There was no commerce nor anything
o
Iketerept vessels to enter there. This was but a part of
treat scheme of fortifications into which they rushed
'beis 1844 and 1845. when they were panic-stilt ken about
the e!langer of invasion. The whole estimated cost for
harbour was 600,0001. They ought to be satisfied
oath
ay,
the first loss and go no further in this extravagant
re HUME had visited the Channel Islands recently,
-11;10 had there been informed that it would take 40.000
than in
man the fortifications there. He did not find a
the
111 these islands who was not disposed to laueeh at
443 idea, He also thought the expenditure upon Dover
tbour useless.
ser• BUCK said that there was no part that required the
hem of the Government so much as the coast
11°Io Bristol to the Laad's End, where there were no
lithonrs of refuge at all.
it Sir J. GRAHAM suggested to the Government that
would be much more satisfactory in respect to these
tl° works, it the same form of estimate was adopted as
sip fled for the navy and ordnance. He thought that
104 VOte might be postponed until they had such a state-
ent laid before them. The vote for the Channel Islands
w
very large, and was not placed so much under the
tool of the Government as other votes.
I'4 CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would
.:te no objection to putting the votes in the shape sug-
ated. The truth was that the report was placed on the
lhole last year, which gave all the information that could
required.
the a brief discussion the vote was withdrawn for
e present.
„2.7831. to defray the expense of the necessary works
lit Port Patrick.
ik?ar• W. WILLIAMS should like to know how long
,1„1 expenditure was to go on. The harbour was of no
• Ifts utility.
Mace F. BARING said that there was no doubt the
&lice bad been abandoned as a packet station; but the
i_cvernment thought it advisable to keep up the harbour
OM mere wreck and ruin under the idea that the har-
'tic might be turned to some advantage again as rail-
"111y communication advanced.
Itr• HUME said the public had nothing to do with it
Ito
It was abandoned as a packet station.
Sir G. CLERK thought it was probable it might be-
411te again a packet station.
The vote was ultimately agreed to.
23,23 e/ for defraying the expense of maintaining 5e-
,...,7,111 public buildings in the department of the Com-
-I`asiolaers of Public Works in Ireland; also for the ex-
r.te of inland navigation under the direction of the
lit Commissioners.
Mr. SPOONER would take the sense of the Com-
mittee upon one item in this vote. He would move that
the
I, grant be reduced by the sum of 1 2301. 10s., being
Ze__ sum appropriated to the Royal College of Sr.
,21EPa-
Maynooth He objected to this vote on the
rund of principle as well as on pecuniary grounds.
Trifling as it was, it formed a portion of the public
money; but his main objection was, as to the principle.
• would ever contend for that principle—namely, that
au II Protestant nation they bad leo right to grant any
°,oey to a religion in open hostility to the established
tedgion, as it had decidedly shown itself to be within
(pi) last few months. The country would be greatly
ss_blePpointed if, notwithstanding all their hostile pro.
"ediags against the Protestant Churca and the Dis-
reiters, this grant was allowed. The late Sir Robert
• el had in 1845 proposed that 30,000/. should be given
P the erection of buildings at Maynooth, and he had
Vito secured for the same institution the payment of a
„rge suer annually out of the Consolidated Fund. F. r
the last five years there had been paid, in addition to
the sum of 30,0001., no less a sum than 26,0001 an•
°,,eally ; and now, in addition to these grants,
there was proposed this sum, paltry in amount, but
Rte •
at in principle.—(Hear, hear.) There was to be
114001. a year for repairs, in addition to the
6.0,000/. for building. Sir Robert Peel, in proposing
this sum, said that he meant to treat the Irish in a ge-
terous spirit, in the hope they would be met in a cor-
responding spirit—that they would be repaid for their
liberality by infusing a better spirit into Irishmen; and
that they would do this by ensuring a more liberal spirit
of education amongst them.—(Hear.) Fled they, he
%liked, been met in a more liberal spirts?—(Eleae) Had
these hops been realized? Had there not, on the con-
trary, been an open declaration of hostility against them?
'''s(Cbeers.) Within the last few days an Hen. Member
Of that House was reported to have male a speech or
'written a letter—he reterred to what he had read in an
Irish paper—and, according to that report, the Hon.
Gentleman had said that toleration was a word which
they (the Roman Catholics) would not receive as appli-
cable to them—that they would not condescend to ac-
cept toleration, when the Roman Catholics bad the right
to be established as the Church in Ireland.—(Cheers.)
Re (Mr. Spooner) was one of those who had opposed
"the Godless colleges," but then he asked when that
grant had been made, bad it been received by the Re-
tain Catholics in a spirit of conciliation?—(Hear,
hear.) How had the Irish Roman Catholics received
it? Had they not thrown back the grant in their teeth?
'(Rear, hear) And what was the liberal spirit
Manifested by the Roman Catholics, and how had it been
demonstrated? Was it not by an act of aggression on
the part of the head of that Church against the Sove-
reign of this ration?—(Cheers.) And then let them
see the hostile spirit that had been manifested by Irish
Roman Catholic Members of that House when the at-
tempt was made to put down the act of aggression by a
Bill in that House.—(Hear, hear.) As to the concilia-
tion of the Roman Catholics, he told them it was a vain
attempt. The Roman Catholics were not to be concili-
Med.—(lean) Every man of them who was a true
Roman Catholic would never stop until he bad put down
the Protestant Church.—(Cheers.) They were not to
be contented with toleration; they must have ascend-
ancy; and never would they rest tranquil until ascend-
ancy had been obtained.—(Hear.) Too long had they
—the Protestants—submitted to this state of things. He
believed that the abandonment of their Protestant prin-
ciples was a great national sin, and that if they continued
in the came course they would bring down upon them-
selves a great national judgment.—(Hear.) He moved
that the vote be reduced by the sum of 1,2301. 10s.
Upon the question being put,
Mr. HUME was very sorry to hear the speech which
had been made by the Hon. Member for Warwickshire,
for, whatever might be the opinion he entertained as to
the support of the Catholic colleges, this was not the
time for.discussing them. He concurred entire ly in the
opinion of the Hon. Member that had been referred to—
namely, that the Roman Catholics ought not to be satis-
fied with toleration when they were entitled to equality.
He asked the Hon. Member whether he would not do to
others as he would wish to be done by? It appeared to
him that the Hon. Member was for voting against his
own principles.--(Hear.) The question was whether
they were prepared to support those edifices which Par-
liament had already declared should be created, and the
creation of which the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert
Peel) had proposed an one acting upon true Christian
principles.
Sir R. H. INGLIS observed that the Hon. Member
mixed up two questions which were entirely separate
from each other,—the proposal to reduce the sum for the
repairs of lelstynooth and the establishment of the
Queen's colleges. They had not met to cle,ciaal the
latter subject, and he therefore should confine himself to
the college of Meynooth. Now, he asked whether_
_on
the
principal argument of the late Sir Robert Peel, whop
proposing his plan respecting Maynooth, was not this
—that ho wished to change from an annual to a perma-
nent grant, for the purpose of removing this constant
element of discord from their debates.—(Hear, hear.)
He (Sir R Inglis) had never contemplated that he should
have to take part again in a discussion on the Pelaynooth
grant, unless it should be in discussing a Bill introduced
to put an end to the grant altogether. Here now, how-
ever, he found the debate revived, and that at a time the
least propitious for calm discussion, by her Majesty e
Ministers proposing this vote for 1,2001. They asked
this sum to be granted by the country at the very mo-
ment that the country felt it necessary ;to put a stop to
aggression—aggression, too, that was encouraged by too
many high authorities in that House.---(Hear.) The
Hon. Member for Montrose, for instance, had repudi-
ated the idea of toleration for the Roman Catholics on
the ground that they were entitled to equality, or more
than equality. He (Sir R. Inglis) denied it. He had
that very day presented a petition from the General
Assembly of the Church of Scotland, in which the pro-
per principle was laid down as to the national religion,
and here the nation having declared that which was to
be its national religion, he held that the Roman Catho-
lics had no claim to equality with that religion; that
there should be nothing more than a large and liberal
toleration at the utmost for the Church of Rome.
He would say nothing more of that Church than this—
that he and other Members of that House having taken
a certain oath, they would not regard it as a matter of
indifference whether they supported that Church or not.
_(Hear, bear.) It was only from false notions of ex-
pediency that such a grant as this could be made. He
was prepared to support the Hon. Member in resisting a
policy which was fraught with !wile to the religious.
principles of this country.—(Efeer, hear.)
EURDES bed, be ilwaye voted opiast