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Total Supplies 41,168,02
. lOn account of Ire.
I land

3,81541 g

On accotmt of Eng- •
land 37,352,04
Surplus Ways and
Alcans, kailand i6tost6

37,514,760

WAYS AND MEANS,
Duty on Pensions, Oltices, Perswal Estates, ite.
Duty en Malt ' - .
Lottery _
Surplus- Subscription on .Exchequer Funded 13141-r4
Surplus Grants, taxi - t 14,0e0
Surplus C rauts for Portugal 98,886
Surplus Conia,idated Fuu,i - 4,So°t°Qo
Exchequer Ed oil Aids, 18:3
s'9"'CC° 6o°
Ditto for hank ditto 1,500,000 's 'car:,
Loaa , 23 ;:too,oc o
,
374.14,76°,
To UC provided for by rebina 3,815-.7 is
•
41,33m7S
Having gone through this Statement, he said he
could not forbear saying, that from every, thing he
had hid occasion to observe as to the probable -effi-
ciency of the thXes for tBo2,they would not fall
short in their.coMparativ,e estimate, but would, he as
produdive as those of. z 799.—He knew; that dif-
ference Of opinion wits - entertained on the effeft
which Peace would have on the Trade, ,and conse-
quently on .the Finances of this Country.—On this
iiibjeft, upon, the best consideration he Was. able to
give h, his 'own persuasion was; (unless causes,
arose whichle, could not Thresee), that the present
year would be as produetive, and 'answer its Ekt-i-
-mate as well as the most Wonted year, as much as
the year 1799. The Committee Would see, that be
had made allowance for diminution, and tbr what
might appear now, and, which did not appear in
1799.; and although fie did . not think that such'
causes would operate, yet a provision was
made for the operation of such causes.--He had
to ObSell;e, that this Statement must be gra_
tilying to the .Committee ; it must give 'every
Member of it great • pleasure, in seeing the
finances of this Country in this situation, after
a War in which we had been S 3 long engaged, and
in whieh so Much had been' expended to see that
we had been able, after 'all, to Make the Contract
for a Loan, on terms so advimtageous as that of the
last Loan Was agreed ,upon :--that we should have
been able to provide for such an Expenditure as we
had defrayed ; and still "to have such a Revenue, as
it plainly appeared we had, and that not diminishing
at all,, but, on the contrary, likely to increase.; be-
sides which', to see also, 'in every part of the king,
dom,• indications of increasing wealth and prosperi-
ty. Such a'sit-altion must inspire a feeling that was
highly gratifying to, us Alf, and he was confident
they were entertained by usfill. tk had now only
to move, the Resolutions which he had to submit to
the. Committee, founded on thestatement v.-hich he
had already inade, atiA which he trusted, w ould be
satisfadory to the Committee.

He then moved, that towards raising the Sup.
ply granted to His Majesty, the further sum of
giooo,oool. he raised on Exchequer Bilis, to he
charged on the first Aids to he
.granted' in the next
Session of Parliament, which was put and carried.

HeLthen moved, the sum of t being the
Surplus of Grants fir the year riot, Sm.—which
was also put and carried.

FINIANcgs o IRELAND.

Mr. CORRY then rose and said, he should
briegy state to the Committee the details respetling
the Finances of Ireland, which he should bd very
happy to explain to any Gentlem.in who wi4hed for

explanation. There were, in the first place, some
small sums which must be placed to the account of,
the services,of last year, but which' were to bespro-
vided for in this.'. There was for the erst instal-
ment of the Compensationst3,27,27o.; Treasury
Bills 25,7001. ; Loyalists Fund 49;i671. ; Lottery
::e t
Prizes 2,19 zl.; Prim* two thousand pounds ;
amotroting altogether to 406,4341. He should now
s ,hich appertained to the service of
ptss,cl t refi ; in trt place, those which he-
longed he
solelycltar es
to Ireland ; and in the next, those
which were borne hys' Ireland jointly with Great
Reilsdn. Of the charges
defrayed solely by
Ire-
land,' the first was the interest and charges of th 6
National Debt, and of the Sinking Fund, amount=
ing..in the whole to 1,880,205, Irish money. The
calculations were all made in Irish motley, and
he
should therefore, for greater convenience, make 110
of that medium in stating the details:- The
next
article.was two Instalments of the Compensations;
amounting to 555,2001.
next stun was foi
Inland Navigation, under an Mt of the Irish Par-
liament, amounting to 150,0001. The next stun
was on account of the Irish Lottery : it had been
usual to pay the prizes of each Irish Lottery
in the succeeding year, and there remained due
for prizes in the Lottery of 1801, the sum of
300,0001. The next two items were sums of
200,0901. each for Treasury Bills. He
st. red
them here, because they were covered by the
Ways and. Means, and were intended to be
funded, but the Debt would not be increased, as
,it would be only changing an unfunded Debt for a
sfuenndtecititalr);bat,wsivtllili,lst the interest they were at pre-
whole amount of
amounted to 3,298,5551. 'The joint charge wane
thsevouseldpa'rnaottelscehaitngcerseasoefdir,c;lo.llll,el
by Leland, together with Great Britain, consisted of
Pmuibiliitearßyisracirils6sce3:l2o,Bo6l.ot
. Pensions 112,6671 s the Civil. List I +5,0001.—Per
manent Grants 136,0001.--Miscellaneous 144851'
—To make good ContribluBtioin.—s
Public Officess24.3ol.—Civil Contingencies 5409
Hospitals, itc. f1e,3961;4T
140). W;IS
be c!bserrecl, that the Military Exeences belong-
ing to Ireland alone were considerably
30Z,nance 219,9991.
nished, but as the Military EstablishMent othcr
tpors►cs7orttrijobn v,telreland, a
larger
parts of the United'Empire' was not diminished irs
e ri:ucol
liable
a acs
hiles rc
pot i)lo t(sile:anqyruteilfooSerheit:se
the Military Expencei of the whole United Empire,
than she would have beens
Military Establishment ; thus arose the increased
sum to make good Contributions. The whole joint
Contributions of Ireland amounted to 4,129,p00'
and the whole charge of ,Ireland amounted to
7,4284251, Trish Money. lt now remained -for
him to state the _Ways and Means---them' were
Balances in the-Exchequer, 394,6651.-I'arr.of the
English Loan for tilt Service oGreland, 3,166;666i!-'
Trish, Loan, ,6 2 5,0001.—Lot tery , 506,0001.
The Lottery had this year been a joint concero
tween the two Countries, and of the 500,0601. whic"
was to be remitted on the part at this Couetrys,.
300,0001. would serve to pay the- ;unc.lunt or
the, prizes of last year. The next itM's
sum 0400,0001. which was to have been remitra
on the part of Great Britain, blur which had been
reduced by various causes to 300,0001. The orSt.
amounted to 7,592,0001. from which, dedoding the,
siurnseiactsii:iss. 3,ololole,oomorhla.
leariosti.ngthferot‘n,ityli,se RaenvdeniNiuicesolc:st
Charges, a surplus of Ways and :Means' was left he
163,65.71, He Was sorry to detain
but he wished particularly to state h
%, .ho,
~
credit for the produce of .3,000,000 h from too
te Ctnirlitii.iii-occuek:
revenues which last yeer.only produced 2,400,000
lii speaking of the Revenues of Ireland-- the Com;:
mittee would recoiled that he was speaking
Country which had been recently violently agititta i
with all the horrors of a Rebellion, and visited 1
sr
a scarcity atmost appioaching to a femine• It
milia
and
'necessarily be imagined' that these causes
1r
operate materially to Area that Country,
could not be 'considered as surprising that its 1:e
venues were diminished, particularly those arisl
howl Malt and the :Distilleries, He wished to c,;11.'
their attention to five materiel Articles of the 105:1
Revenue : 'The first Was the Importatin of foreic
spirits. By the suspension of the Distilleries 1_
Ireland, the importation.Of foreign spirits had bee;
considerably increased,' and' those duties. which
the average; of five years to the. 25th Of i'vlaic.r
1.790, amounted ta r4o,ocroh's produced in the y'`' +C
18011 555,0001. In order to .see how the arno111;
of these dutiesstood in the present` year, he
called for an account of their produce forte'vbo
0 months to the 21 of May, which lie' found ; 0
192,0001..1-le:slid-oot wish to appear too sane :1.
in his 'calculations, and he would therefore take
produced these duties at 312,0001. The next art-slac
was Sugar, the average produce of the duty
Sugar for the last five years was 226,0001. the P.-t;
duce of the last year 292,0001. from o
which syss
be decluded.the stun of too,oool, fbr idrawhstegoi
leaving a surpins of 192,0001. The produce ie
this Duty during the last five months was 162.°90
He would take the estimated produce therefore
e,
, 252,0001. :With raped to the third article, "To
ly, Wines, the Duty on it produced in the rot
years preceding 1793, the sum of 278,0001' psi
year the produce was 203,0001. and for the
five months 137,0001. ; he would therefore roc,
the estimated produce at:201,70 IL. The _sel"l,..
Duty for the present year he calculated at 37.0rvv:s
t‘lVretahvreersagPe:tc6tnosurnthie)ti asp-
lons, producing a Duty of 806,csoo41?18S'ec)::farrbeeT
'gulations had been made in the year 181:144-nrfe,
one of which the Distilleries were 'ru'
m~bwht
six months instead of four, . which ir
be estimated would increase the .It, 'ved co,
to 1905,0001. but *various causes contrsouteont
consumption had
the Distillelleir
lower this to :824,0901. and as these re/14.13.11, be
were not yet matured, and some of them
evaded, he would take off 50,0001. from til'S suit?,
at
Which would reduce it to 774,0001. trust;
is
cotheusled zsittirbnaetettsio,uagrilditthhaet haalid into 100 'l°4;lentil,'
were founded upon fair to be
It w!s_,alue
remarked, with respca to the Revenues of 0"10,1
that the new duties created in the year 18°w' as a
operated only for six months, and that there woad
.1
well.grounded-expeetation that those duties
__or,.
probwaboilildtrncur 11°
produce much more than according to provotfr,
tiou cf that. six months. It %vats also "

r

6Trecii that 1113.93' reforms . !tad been mile in.
eethe collet-tie:l of, the Revenue in Ireland, from
which much had arisen, and much . was to be
expelled. Its the Eetimates he had made he teas
borne out by the. experience of one material
. fad, which was, tharethe produce of the Revenues
for the last five months had exceeded that of the.
, the preceding fare months by 431,0001. He was
... surely therefore justified in taking credit for an in-
, 'crease of Revenue for the'whole at 800,0001. If the
adual Produce should not equal the Estimate, he trust-
ed he should be able to answer it in another Session
Of Parliament ; but if any calamity 'was the cause
Cf- that deficiency, which he hoped stile, blessing of
Providence would avert, tie trusted he should not
be held responsible for it. It was to be considered
in what state the Trade of Ireland was at the pre..
sent moment; the Imports had excessively increased,
Whilst the Exports had materially diminished. The
Exports of Ireland were to he considered under
three Articles, Linen, Provisions, and Corn ; the
'test were trifling. The Linen ' Trade had suffered
'greatly from the effeds of the Rebellion, ancisfioan
the high prices demanded for the Article ; the for,
[ . . mer cause had however maw ceased to Operate ; and
with reseed to the latter, the Irish Drapers were
POW convinced, that the high price lately demanded
had operated considerably to their own injury.--:
With resped to the Provision Trade,. the War de-
mand had ceased, whilst the Peace Exportation was
not yet restored. The official value of provisions
exported had been 'reduced from 1,200,0001. to
Soo,oool. but when the Peace Exportation. was
completely restored, there was every reason to be-
lieve there would be an addition. of 250,0001. and
it was to be reeolleded,.that the official value-re,
inained always the same, whilst it might be fre-
quently estimated at only one-third of the real
,Value. The Export of Corn had heel in former
years 60e5,060.1. and 500,0001. and was in 1799,
140,0001, ...During the last year the reverse was
the case—there. was not only no Export, but Corn
was imported into Ireland to the amount of
260,0001. This was catised by the scarcity by
which. Ireland was ;Aided, but if they looked
4o the situation of that 'conntry as it was for-
s )1'"1Y, and calculated upon an Export of Corn to
,the amount of 360,0001_ this added to the 260,0001.
'the amount• of the Import during the last year,
Would make a difference in favour -of that Country
of 620,0001. • He teas evaeranted in supposing, and
;hod every reason to believe, that 'lreland would
-again return to its former state, with respect to its
.. Revenues and its Trade ; and the experience of a
'short time past, was a sufficient ground for that
belief; and that the wise measures of Parliament
'with resPedoooliat Country, would contribute:to
the comfort of Great Britain, :and the. happiness of.
Ireland. He had 'only to add to. the Ways and
1\ leans, the Interest of the Loan, for the payment
of which Taxes were to be provided.. He could not
foresee the extent of the Peace Establishment ; if
it would afford the means of diminishing the bur-
dens ofireland, he should be peculiarly happy, but
he could only propose 'Faxes to meet the exigencies of
IV-40-iiiishiesThe Tasfes he proposed were, .ararupon;
Exports, the :4 ime as in this Country, passed dur.
in, the present Sessioneeand'a Tax upon Imports,'
the same as here ; with the exception - how.;
ever of some Articles. With respect tee this he
had one observation to otitke ; the Union'between
. ' the.two Countries could not be coiriplete;\ it least
~ as far as Financial Interests were coocerned, as the
s burdens, of the United Empite must be borne by
each Country, in proportion to the ability and,
means of that Country. Equality of Taxetioli
could not take plaCe, but the system • must be ap_
Plied in proportion to the means and resources of
each ; thus the Exchequers of the two Countries
Were d,stinti, as must lats their Taxation. - At the
same time, if Parliament were to stop here, it
would stop at a narrow and confmid system of Ns
'icy, es•undoubteshy if a system could be devised,
applying, to both Countries, and 'placing them on an
equally fair 'footing,. that system ought to be
.adopted. In this case he did not admit that
an Export and Ise ort Tax otight to be paid ii
Ireland, .because it was paid in this Country, it was
not necessary ores.thet occoont, , but as .additional
Taxes were necessary in Ireland, he was happy in
Proposing those which.. would . accord with, the
Taxes adopted by this Country. The total value
of foreign goods imported into Ireland • was
-1-)445,00b1 . ' '
alid of the Exports of Ireland
3,304,275. The produce of the .proposed Tax on
Torsigis goods imported,- he estimated at 93,900%
: rind on Exports to Foreign Countries {the Trade
With Great Britain being in each case of course
excluded) . at 5,3001. making together the sum
of 99,0001. It was proposed , to ' exempt from
the operations of the Tax on Imports, Ashes,
Smelts, FlexsSeed, Hemp,. and Salt ; • and from the
Duty on Exports, Cotton Goods and Corn. With
, resped toe Tonnage Tax'in Ireland, the attual Ton,
Tinge of Ireland was not more than too,Oote tons,
Which would not produce more than 70001. the rest
-balthe Tonnage employed' was -British, and the British
Ship.owners, in calling for a Tax on Irish Ton.
Page, overshot the mark ;.fur it would be in fad
Only an additional Tax upon themselyes, the far
greater part of the Talmage employed in: that
• Lo4otry being their own. He, thought these 'f axes
would not be found burden Some on that class who
were least able to bear ;toy additicinal butdee, but
that they would, on the contrary, fall upon another'
Mass able to bear them,' and upon whom chest' would
Press very' lightly.' He concluded by moving his
Ysesolutions respecting die proposed `faxes. , e
Mr. 'FOsrE R said, it was with ;regret he found
himself under the necessity of differing front the
Right lion. Gentlemen with resped to many of
his most importatit statements, anti from some of
the conclusions which he had drawn as proceeding
fr(-)en these, the truth of which he otherwiSe ad-
touted. Aiel first, with. respett to She debts cone
traded on tiie part of Ireland within the two 'last
Yearsehe had to observe, that only Two Millions anti
, a Half were, horrowed lase year, ;Ind Three Millions
4"
a Half borrowed for the present, though the.
expences of the latter were acknowledged, to be
' considerable less than those of the former ; the in
Terence to be -drawn from thFi measure was too
V.) .v ions Jo ni he etititeled. ' With respsst to the
Right Hon. Cs'eetiesnasos Est-it-mite of the vrob:thit
amount to which the revenue of Ireland wil be

raised by the *additional taxes just proposed, he
also differed, froM him ; the Right Hon., Gentleman
took credit for an increase of-206,6601. as the pro-
duce of the Tax upon the Distilleries,' the consump_
tion of the Country under that head, hoWever, was
by no. means so great as he rated,it to be; evcoat any
period,: such a quantity. was never consumed; aind
with a reference-to the industry, the morals, or the
tranquillity of the Country, it would be very injurious'
if it should.:lt could not prove a financial resource to
that amount, and still less, when it were considered
that the exports cif the Country Were decreasing.
He would howeVer;, for the sake olargument, ad-
mit it to be -666,0001. which 'would increase the re-
venue to the round sum of'chree Millions, but even
in that. view ' it be compared with the amount
of preceding years, and the falling.ofFwill easily be
seen. In the year ending the-25th March I Soo, the
nett Reienue, fell st;8061. and the two preceding
years, the debts of the Country were so far aug..
Mented, :as to increase the interest payable by Ire_
land "to a considerable amount. With respel to the
Revenue of the last year, taking it at 2,466,0601.
the-sum of i,z00,0601. was liable to he issued on
the score of debt. To cpunterad the evil tendency
of such a systeM of finance, and to place the Coun-
try in. a prosperous situation, other meatis were ne-
cessary, than those lately resorted to. • A different
system of taxation should- be adopted, and the pow-
ers of the Sinking -Fund increased. In the .last
year, Taxes to the.amount of 57,0001. were taken
off in consequence of the Union, and by the remis-
sion of the Ab'sentee Tax, 12,0001. were lost to
Ireland ; the resources -of the Comm), were thus
lowered, contrary to every principle of sound
finance, which with other measures of a like impoli_
tic tendency, brought that Country into its pre-
sent embarrassed situation. „It were proper the
relative situation or that Country should be known,
and the full extent of financial contribution, which
sound policy required her to siipply. With regard
to the colledion of the Revenue's, in 1782, the
Charge was at the rate of t 11.. 1 z,. 4d. per Cent.
what was the difference at:present I The Rove.
nues of the Post-Office were colle6ted at the
enormous rate of 2241. per cent. ,He knew
the •subjeti to be a dry one, but still its great
importance should ensure attention. He threw no
blame upon the Officers employed in the Collation ;
he believed they did their duty—still he had to re.
mark that in a late year, when' the Revenue pro.
duced soo,oool. less than that preceding, the num-
bers and salaries of the Revenue Officers were con-
siderably increased ; this formed a striking con-
mist with certain arrangements in England, when in
cases where the revenues had incte;-ised, the expences
of colleCtion were diminished. lii t 800, in Ireland
the amount of PensionS, . Grants, &c. on this score
were at 34,0001. In t 802 they amounted to s t,oool.
and this increase of 17,0061. was in a falling year.
He had also to remark the immense defalcation of
certain duties, and some of which wire of that kind
that could not be evaded, which could proceed from
no other cause thin that melancholy one of the ina-
bility of the inhabitants to pay them. In some cases
the Bounties on Exports were counteracted by the in- •
crease of Fees allowed to Officers. It was distress_
ing to him that he could not entertain the same
ideas with the' Right -Hon. Gentleman on many of.
those points. It was the first time in which he re-
gularly came forward on such an occasion, that he
could not state the progressive prosperity &Ireland.
The Exports of that Country for the five years cod-
ing With 1799, fell more than one. half of what
they amounted to in foimer years. ' In the year
ending with tt8.60, the fables were fairly turned,
and the alliance of Trade was clearly against Ire-.
land. In aot it was still more so. The decrease
of the Exports of Ireland in the important ar-
ticle of Linens was truly alarming. In the last
year the: decrease was five millions.of yards, com-
pared with the number of the preceding year,
and he rather feared its decline in .the ensuing
year ; the decrease in the Article of Provisions,
may, in some degree; be attributed to the opera.
.
tiotrof the War, and the cessation of increased de.
niand ; , but on that head he , would not lay much
-stress. HoWever, there were tither articles of im-
portance which. he feared were itlino“ totally lost
to Ireland, that of New. Drapery for instance, 'in
to hich there wait a gradual diminution in the num-
ber of yards exported, and which, in 1801, was
so low as to be only .40:,c) yards ; other Imports,
an the contrary, were ihereasingand, with re-
sped to Old I)rape;y, the case in principle was
nearly the. same.' Added to these disadvantages,
was that of the Exchange. which, in the last filar
years, was about 12 per Cent. against Irelited.—
This may be occasioned by the restraint Capon the
Export of Specie, the increase of :Absentees, and
the unfavourble balance of Trade, ,but, above ail;
it was owing to the' newly-adopted mode of Fi-
nance, the.not raising the Taxes within the year,
and the negotiating the Loani in Great
Since 1797, 23 millions. were borrowed here, and
in consequence, t,200,6001. per annum, were
brought out of that Country was More than
the average ballanee of trade, and a misfortune
which, he feared, it was not now in their, power
to remedy. Did this system of Finance-continue,
he knew not how the trade and manufaCtures of Ire.
land were to go on. It was true, the Country
ceived a 'temporary relief, from the Wax of princi.
when that source ceased, the destru6ive
e Weds of the system will be mare clearly perceptible.
In this resped the contrast between the respective
situation .of the two Countries would be strikieg
indeed : the financial circumstances of England, an
her emerging from the most tremendous War that
ever any Country was engaged in, were such as .re-
dounded to the credit of their' Administratir3n; :and
the operations of the Sinking Funds oldie respective
Countries, were to be contrasted- in the. like man-
ner. At the commencement, the Sinking Fund of
England was in the proportimeof a 238th part to,•the
itinount tif Debt to- be 'redeemed ; by the prudent
management of it, it 'now bears a proportion of
the 'eighty-fnu:th part. Compare the situation
oaf Ireland in that resped ; at first its Sinking Fund
was a loth pArt of its debt ; it is now so r: tweed
as only to be a ooth partHe yet had a favourable
oninion of the ,tesour.,.6 of ireiand, were. they but
ably administered-:--In corisideting this part of the
,‘Abje,:t, what in,!:t the situation of the countries he
it the end of the twee , ran. when by the At

i cif Uuiori proportionable rate of Criottibtition
should cease The . Debt of England will be re..
dueed. to three buodred millions, whereas, tinder the
present' system of finance, 'that of Ireland will be
itiereased, the two Countries will love to
commence their partnership equal. terms,.
the one rioher, and the other poorer, than at-,
the period when the conttat‘,t of TeTilioo was ori-
ginally made ethe consequences must lie destrUdive
lithe, Borrowing System went on much longer—the
Supoiies.niuSt.be raised within the, year. , With re-
. sped to some of the arguments pressed by the Right'
lion. Gentleman, some alterations "in the Taxes
upon Imports may well tie. made ; .and with respect
to those as they affected the Linen 'Trade, they
were 'liable to some objections. lie thought
time •Linen Trade ~of Irelaral shouh he placed '
m the same footing as the Cotton Trade of
Great Britain in those respells. He should not
enter into particulars in the present circum-
stances ; it would unnecessarily delay the Com.
mittee. lipon the whole he should vote for
the Resolutions, with the exception of that ree
Laing to the Article of Linens ; so far from disap.
oroviog generally of what had beeh proposed as
(Ikea Taxes, he assured the Right Hon. Gentleman
if he should propose new duties which did not ob.
'viously clash with the interests 'of 'lreland, he
should, have supported them.
Mr. WlCKll4lll.obfierved, that he most pro-
bably should not have risen in the present Debate,
had not some' points -which had fallen fi-om the
Right Honourable Gentle Man rendered it' neces,
sary. He should even consider it as shrink-
ing from his official duty not only with re.:
spcd to himself, but to a Right
.Honourable Gen-,
Orman high,in the estimation of that, House and' of
the Public:, did he remain silent. He alluded to
what was said of the, considerable increase recenily
made-in the head of Pensions and Salaries': it that
charge was well-founded, it would. be incumbent
on the Committee to 'inquire, whether there, were
just causes of not for 'such an increase. In this re.
speift, however, the fads were such, as that he could
safely say, that never was a 'system of internal Ad-
ministration for the affairs of any Country bettor
arranged or digested, not only with a reference to
considerations of public economy, as.that,which he
received from his estimable predecessor in Office,—
(a general "cr.y el hear ! hear 1.,) not only, that,
but the most aaive and Well-digested measures were
in a state of forwardness for increasing the revenues,
and on plans the most economical as to 'its collection.
;_The Right Hon. Gentleman had asserted that in
which he was not borne out by any official docu.
nears, or authentic accounts whatever. 'With re.
sped to his comparisons of the amount of charges
incurred in the two last years, they were founded
on no authentic documents hitherto sent from Ire.
lard. Some of ,those plans to which he had alluded
were for the express purpose of reducing the ex.
ponces of:collet-ling the Revenues, and -on prin:.
allies the most politic and efficacious ; among theSe
was-to be reckoned the nrratigemeimt with resped to
the Revenue Officers, and supplying' the 'places of
those who were' superannuated, or otherwise unfit
Tor duty, with active and proper Officers. With re-
Teo ,to what the Right Hon.*Gentleman had in-
of a progessiVe decrease of the Revenue,—
he could contradict him from official and authentic do—
coMents, that even within the last five months, the
whole of what was due within that period, had.not
been received. There was an increase in the propor-
tion Of 4.00,0001. and certaioly, what had been ex.
pended so as to produce this increase, was laid out
to the most ialutary purpose.
Mr. CORRY observed, that in what the Right
Hon. Gentleman had rendered it necessary' for him
'to say, he should be as concise as possible. With
respect; to 'the deficiencies adverted to by the Right
Hon. Gentleman in certain Taxes, in his mode of
stating the case, such certainly appeared to exist ;
but he 'should luck recollected that It was .princi-
pally owing to the new mode of colleding them,
by which all that was adualiy due did not appear
within the given -periods ; such was the case with
the Hearth and Window Taxes,.'and even with the
Servants and the Carriage Duties, the surplus came
into the Revenue as computed for this .year;
but for which no allowance hid been made by the
Right Hon. Gentlemart.—With milted to the ex-
peaces of the collection increasing. from 1 I to 13
per cent. the .Right Hon. Gentleman was surely
not ignorant that these included ail the charges'of
Management, the repayments to the Merchants and
the drawback. In regard to the arrangements with
rasped to the Revenue Officers; they were such as
be could justly take a pride in; the regulations were
founded in sound policy. The Post. Office depart-
, merit, so forcibly dwelt upon, the Right,Hon. Gen.
tlenian knew was, other an object of revenue, the
increased expellees of colledion in that department
were unavoidable, front the calamitous situation
in Which the Country was.plunged at those periods ;
in some instances the performance of that duty in.
the usual 'way.' Was impossible ; ContradOrs were
necessarily employed ; but where the duty was
perfOrmeil by the Office itself, the increase of Ex..;
pence was comparatively small. The Right Hon.
Gentleman; in has statement of the 'faxes lost by
the Union, had unfortunately not looked on both
sides of. the account : so fax from there being tt.cie-
-licit on that head, there :was an increase to:lreland
of '26,0001.. in one-year. With resped to the ba-
lance being against Ireland, as 'stated by the. Right
Ron. a!ntleman, a great deal of that was (Ming
tai thoincfeased Importation of Corn, pal ticularly it
1800) a circumstance which in all;probabdity would
not occur to the same extent again : the increased
importation of old and new Drapery was in a great
degree to be accounted fin by tho:,e circumstances
which had entirely exhausted the. Country, Annihi.;
hated the petty shops in all parts, in copsoquencc.of
which, a number of 'Adventurers soon otterharkeia in the Woollen - drapery Trade, among
which, irwas unnecessary to observe, that at nom;
her of failutes ensued„ several other sources Of de,
cr.cate, 'my lie attributed to the like- temporary,. or-
removeitble :causes, widon any day when the House
had leisute,- :mod. the Right 1-1 Gentleman chose,
he would meet him it., ral'oarai, and on, every
item of this subjea. V,;;!.P mpea to the
system ' of Loans, en xvh:;!‘ so much st'ettss
was laid, a.r,l the' mode (if taxation lately
adopted, he :11titilti have 'to trouble, the Committee

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vAth o n tt„gart.4 to ti,e.
set) jen, the flit t year, he C:itait-; into ore:e.e. is 3,;(1
It? ',faith:. air by tatationi and
ftiott which he propthed covered 'more 't!%l:i.
400,0001. "Phis was dene in the midst
hellion, and in its worst perio'!s : he nev.n.
from the disastrous prospea--he was taw:lie:died by
the difiiculties of the monicil t-he 5t0,%1 in los
}lace, and prepOsed tii tletf na,;,,,,,0r of
what was called for : that did nor Aa l. 1!" 'On
cal posinaoirniry. He had to encounter fis•: addi.
tional difileolties of years in which the cuc;nen_
shin of the Distilleties dried up some of !;•t: most
produlive sources of, ReOtine ; this accon,ecti tot,
the deficiencies of one year; in the next they ..,:ere
less, and these obvious causes, the Right. i,,nourable
Gentleman in candliar should have considered....-
11fficiencies in certain oxes were no uncommon
thing, even in this ntolsperons Country,' and in
this very year his Right Honourable Friend tOund it,
necessary to make provisions under that head. With
respell to the system of the Loans, the Right Hon.
Gentleman :seemed to forget the circumstances of
the unprecedented 'distress in which Ireland was
recently involved, and in his argument he assumed
that the Loans could have been raised in Ire.
land ; but what were the notorious faas ? At a.
period„when: it was proposed to raise the compara.
tively small Loan of 1,500,e001, in Ireland, there
were two sets of bidders, one Irish, the other
English ; the former wlis preferre4 and what was
the consequence, the Irish Contractor was obliged
to abandon his LOan, and forfeit his deposit of
75,6601.—This certainly was no proof that money
could be had. In the present year, there were one
set of Irish, and five of English bidders; if the
former was preferred, they tnust have the Loan
on their own terms.--.He Must deny that the re.
minting of the interest of these Loans waspne of
the causes of the distress of Ireland ; and, 'to esta.
blish this poSition, argued at some length, and with
considerable ability .—Theinteresi found its way
into this Country thrOugh the ordinary channels
of Cenimerce, and such he contended, was the peen.
niary circumstances of Ireland, that the original
stock was frequently sent to the English market.—
As far as this operated to the disadvantage of Ire.
land, it was unavoidable, : and resulted from the
relative situation of the two 'Countries—the differ.
ence whether the money was remitted through the
medium' of Government or of individuals, was not of
sucli vast importance, still less upon a fair examina.
tiOn of the question, would the Right .Hotf. Gen.
tletnan be borne out in his unqaalitied anttr.
lions ; his candour shnuld have suggested an..
other language' to him, particularly when the
circumstances attending the Loan of zBOO, were
in his recollection :—the came line of reiljsrin..
tng would apply. to the Loan of the present
yeae. A great propOrtion of its interest would be
remitted through the channel of private bankers,
and as a part of the balance of trade. In reptd to
what had been said of the regulations respeaing the
Linen Mae, the Right Hon. Gentleman would
see that, in a great degree, the raw material was
exempted, and that every praaicable step was
taken to place that important branch of the Trade
of Ireland on a.secure and advantageous footing.
Mr. TIERNEY elyressed his opinion that some
important parts of the Right Hon. Gentleman's ar.
gument were not ' satisfactorily answered by the
Chancellor 'of the Irish Exchequer : it seemed as
if, on those, points, the latter did not controvert
the conclusions of the former, but argued, that as
the circumstances operated to the disaddritage
,of
Ireland, they were 'unavoidable..
Mr. PANSITTART argued at some length in
4 O. • •
sOpport of some' of the ptismons !Ili Right
Hon. Friend, and particularly with respek to what
related to the Loans, which 'the Right Hon. Gen.
tleman himself knew it was inapratficable. to raise
in Ireland, neither could he think that ,the temis.
Sion of the Interest to this Cotintry wofild, under
all the circumstances of the case, be attended with
those disadvantageous circumstances to Ireland, so
strenuously insisted on by the kt. Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. BO Yo made a few observations generally to
the same effea.
_

Mr. ARC UDALL in the course of his observa_
tions upon the subject, said that such of his Coml.
trymen as were so unfortunate as to promote rebel-
lion, must neees`sarily suffer ; and as to taxation,
seasons of war and rebellion must obviously be un-
favourable to it.' The Right Hon, Gentleman ra-
ther inconsistently censured Government for its
system of borrowing in this Country, when the
whole course of his argument went to prove that
no money was to be got in Ireland.
Lord CASTLEREACJI observed, that tittlight
Hon. Gentleman seemed to undervalue the extfttats
made by Ireland for.the liquidation of her debts, and,
he supposed, most erroneously,that while England
vaneed in liquidation, Ireland retrograded. The fad
however was, that the Sinking Fond of Ireland was
greater in proportion than that of this,Country.rin.
asutuch ;is it was in the relative proportion ,of 70 to
238; the progress made by each Country was in
the same proportion, namely, t pet Cent. on their
respeaive capitals. lflreland had not cleared off
so much in proportion, it was because her Sinking
Fund was, oat so long established as that of I,:ng.
land ; and 'itt the expiration of the twenty years, the
system of Debt and Taxation should be in propor.
'trot) to the relative ability of each Country.,
Neither had' the Psight I-fon:Gentleman 111.), right
to assurm, that the Sinking Punkt of Ireland= would
bc inoper.itive during that period, and the circum.
stance of there being a larger proportion of 5 per
Cent. Stock in the Irish Funds than in the gritildt,
Was in that point of view 'advantageous to the
former Count r y.

A conversltion was then coritinued on the. sub.
jets of the 'Trade, Finance, <<n4 Public-. Accounts
01 Ireland supported by Mr.. Fus'rtx, Mr. Co RAY,
Mr. Boy °, and Mr. VlLottiAlst.; time latter. Oen.
ttetnin cimplaining that Mr. Fu vi tit, to suit the
purposes of his argument for time moment', either
pr4ise,i or blamed the Officers lithn'tnade no the Ac..
i::attrits of the Finance of Ireland, ine, smile persons
becoming tho objects at h; panegyric at censure, as
'if might hlyi,en to suit the turn of the obseriitition
he was making; in Mr. FosTutt insisting on his.
done nothing hot what an uptightl*lnbet
Lt' l'%itliament was cancel upon to do.
The Resolations'wtre then all pat and voted.
. .

Mr. WICKHAM moved, that the 33d, 34 h,
35th, 36th, 37th, .38th, 39th, and 4oth of the
King, being Militia Ads for Ireland, be read.
They were entered as read.
Mr. WtoktiAtt - then moved, That- the House
to_mortow resolve itself into u Committee of
the whole House to consider of the" said Ads:—
Ordered. .
Mr. LEIGH moved the Order of. the Day for
taking into consideration the Report of the Nish
Controverted Eleaion Bill ; which being read, the
report was ordered to be taken intd consideration •
to-morrow.
Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the
Committee on the Bill for the more effectual pre-
vention of Smnggling;, read, amendments • agreed
to, Bill ordered to be ingrossed, and to be read a
third time to-morrol.v, if then ingrossed.
The Bill for providing a-mode of trial of certain•
persons who shall have committed offences abroad,
passed the same stage.
The report of the Resolutions on the Importation,
duty-free, of Paving Stones, &c. from Guernsey,.
&c, was brought up, read, agreed - to, and a Bill
ordered in pursuance of, it.
The Bill for Relief of Uncertified Bankrupts in
Ireland, was read a first time, and ordered to be
read a second time to-morrow, on the Motion of
Mr. ALEXANDER:
Mr. VANS ITTART said, he need not state that
the collation of the Revenue by way of ExCise was
an important matter to both England and Ireland.
Many inconveniencies resulted from the same in-
strument not being usedinboth for the purpose of
ascertaining the strength of spirituous liquors
which was the case avpresent. One instrument
Should be used for both. A Gentleman had invented
an
instrument which, was superior to that which
was at piesel'A used in either, bur time must be
taken to bring'it into use ; for which purpose he
-submitted to the HOuse the expediency of affording
to the Lords of the •Treastiry power to discontinue
the use of the present'Hydrometer for trying Spirits,
and for using another in lieu of it. He therefore
moved, that leave he given to bring in a Bill to
authorise, for a time to be limited, the Lords Com-
missioners of the Treasury of Great Britain and
Ireland, to order the suspension of the use of .the
Hydrometers now used, and for using another in
lleu thereof.
Mr. CORRY seconded the Motion, as a measure
likely to facilitate the trade in spirituous liquors
between the two Countries.
The Question was put and leave given.
Mr. lANSITTART observed, that there was
'now, and too lOng had been, a destrudive game
carried on in public houses and other places of 'corn.
mon resort, called Little Goes, -by which children',
. Servants, and other unwary persons were defrauded
of c-)nsiderable sums of money. It was deemed ex-
pedient to prohibit this kind of gamirg, by penal-
. ties similar•to those attending illegalitransadions in
the Lottery. He therefore movedfor leave to bring
in a Bill to suppress certain games and lotteries, not
authorized by law.—Granted.
• The Irish Parliament 'Hotise Sale Bill passed a
Committee of the whole House,
,and the Report was
ordered to be received to-Morrow.
The Order of the Day on the Irish Lottery Bill
was deferred till tomorrow.
Mr. Vhts: 11.-rAtur Alien brought in his Bill for
the suppression of the game of Little Goes, &c.
read a first time, Ordered to be read a second time

to-morrow, and "to be, printed. •
The Stp.rnp Dirty Bill passed a Committee of the
whole House, and tire Report was ordered to be re,
ceived to-mc:rro.w,
The Conunittee on the Guernsey Corn Bill, as
we understood, was dcCerred for a month to afford
-the Lords of Trade time to consider the subjeft
mat►er-of it, on the Motion of Mr. VANSITTART,
who said that the measure oriiinated from the opi_
"'llion of their Lordships, who desired time to make
up their minds upon it.
Deferred 'to to-morrow the Committee on the
Att6tion Duty and the,lrish 6 per cent. Duty Bill.
The Tortola Free Port
.Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed to a. Committee
of the whole House to-morfow.
At A quarter past twelve the House adjourned to
ibis day.

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