The Sun.
London, England, 1834-06-07 00:00:00

HOUSE OF LORDS, June 6.

The house sat at_ four o'clock, for the purpose of
pr )ceedi ig viit'n the further consideration of the War-
wi,:k Bolrag•h Bill.

Seveml witnesses were examined upon the bill, and
at five o'clock the further examination of witnesses
was adjourned to Tuesday week.
Tho Earl of ELDON presented several petitions
against the admission of the dissenters to the Univer-
sities, and in favour of the established church, from
parishes in the counties of Gloucester, Suffolk, and
Cambridge.
Lord KEN YON presented petitions from parishes
in Shropshire, against the abolition of church rates and
other concessions to the dissenters.

Earl BROWNLOW presented petitions from pa-
rishes in Leicestershire, in favour of the established
church,

The Bishop of LONDON presented between 80
and 90 petitions from parishes in Essex and Middle-
sex, against the separation of church and state.
The Bishop of WINCHE ST E R presented several
petitions from parishes in Hampshire, against the ad-
mission of dissenters to the universities, and the sepa-
ration of church and state ; also a petition from Cam-
berwell, signed by between 2,000 and 3,000 persons,
for the prevention of Sunday trading.
Lord FOL E Y presented petitions from the Dis-
senters of Bewdley, praying for relief.
The Earl of ABERDEEN presented petitions
from pitrishes• in Aberdeen, in favour of the Esta-
blishrAl Church. - '

several private bills were forwarded a stage.
Several private bills were brought up from the
Commons by Mr. JAMES EWING, Viscount GORE, and
others.

Petitions against the use of climbing boys were
presented by Lord SUFFIELD and the Bishop of BATH
and WELLs.
On the motion of the Earl of ROSEBERRY,
the additional Churches ( Scotland) Bill passed
through a committee, and was reported with a few
verrbAl amendments. The House Duty Repeal Bill
also went through a committee of the whole house and
was reported without any amendment—to be read a
third time on Monday.
The Marquis of L ANDS DO WNE presented pe-
titions from Stanfield and several other parishes
in Wiltshire against the separation of church and
state—also petitions from Grimsby and Swansea,
praying for a redress of the grievances under which
Dissenters labour.
THE KING'S SPEECH TO THE BISHOPS.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said, before the
house proceeded to the order of the day, he was
anxious to ask a question of the noble earl opposite
(Grey) upon a subject that he had expected would
have been taken up by some noble lord more able to
do it justice than he was. He wanted to know whether
the administration was now formed, •and upon
what priniples ? To that explanation he considered
their lordships entitled ; and therefore it was that
be, seeing no one else had done so, was induced
then to put the question. The administration
was now either framed, or it was not ; if it
was, then every one was well aware that it
was formed upon principles of entire hostility to,
,Ind subversion of, the established church of the coun-
try. (Hear, hear.) That proposition was fully
proved by the secession of those members of the
late administration who had done themselves so
much .honour by withdrawing from a government
which had determined to act in a manner that "would
draw upon them the maledictions of the entire coun-
try. If suith was the case, then their lordships
would not fail to perceive that a strange and
most anomalous state of things would instantly
arise. Their lordships would all remember a speech
which had been delivered by his most gracious Ma-
jesty to the Reverend Bench of Bishops ; it was a
speech which every one exulted in, and which
it was impossible too much to eulogize ; in
fact, it was such a speech as was to be expected from
the son of so worthy and exalted a sire. ( Hear.)
That speech proved that his Majesty was as firmly
attached to the religious institutions of the country
as he ever was, and as much so as some others seemed
to be its enemies. Then they had on the one side an
administration formed upon principles of injury
and persecution to the Church of England, while
on the otner hand (and he thanked God for it)
they had the King as determined to uphold that
glorious institution to the very utmost of his power.
( Slight cheering.) As the case stood in that
most anomalous state, he felt himself bound
to call upon the noble earl (Grey) to, afford
that house and the country generally some explanation
of it. They were entitled to know the real principles
of those who were now in power, and he therefore
asked them whether they meant to violate the consti-
tution—to call upon the King—
Earl FITZWILLIAM rose to order, and after
some time was allowed to proceed. He said he wished
to submit to the consideration of some of their lord-
ships, who had had more experience of their forms than
he had, whether the noble duke was speaking in a
strain at all, or nearly, conformable with those forms.
The noble duke had promised not to make a
speech, but to put what he had to say in the form
of a question ; but the noble duke had made a
speech, and had asked whether the administration
that was about to be formed was prepared to call
on his Majesty to violate his conscience ( Hear.)
In a former part of his speech the noble duke had, as
it appeared to him, rather intruded upon that principle,
which held that the name of his Majesty was not to
be introduced in debate. ( Loud cries of " Hear,
hear.") Those two passages of the noble duke's
speech to which he had alluded, appeared to him to
make it a matter of grave consideration whe-
ther such a strain of addressing their lordships
was quite consistent with their orders, which it was
desirable to preserve, for the purpose of maintaining
the freedom and indepelidence of debate in that house.
Lord KEN YON said the noble earl opposite, for
the purpose for which he had addressed the house, ap-
peared to have risen at the wrong time, because
he had ndt risen whirr the name of the Sovereign was
mentioned, but only when the noble duke had called on
his Majesty's ministers to state 'what course they
intended in future to pursue. (Cries of " Hear,
hear.") Nothing could be mo e proper than to
call upon his Majesty's ministers to explain to the
house whether the grounds upon which they intended
to proceed were such as would make it unfit for the
house to place confidence in them.
Earl FITZWILLIANI—I beg to express my
gratitude to the noble lord opposite for his sanc-
tion to the course which I took. ( Loud cries of " Hear,
hear," and laughter.)
Lord KENYON—No, no ; I did no such thing.
(Cries of " Order, order," and " Hear, hear," from
the opposition benches. )
Earl FITZ WILLIAM—Then I am sure the noble
lord will- not go the length of saying that, if tit
would have been right for me to have called
the noble duke to order, while he was actually
making use of the King's name, I could have been
very wrong in telling him of it as soon as, he had
begun the next sentence.' ( Hear, hear. )
The Duke of NEWCASTLE—I am ;perfectly
aware that his Majesty's name ought not to be introduced
in debate in this house ( Hear, hear) ; and it would
be proper if, in measures that are introduced into this
house, the King's name was not made an improper

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'use of. (" Hear, hear," from the Opposition benches.)
But on this occasion I think I am bound to make use
of the King's name, because it is absolutely neces-
sary for the protection of the King that his name
should be used; and I beg to ask whether
it is the intention of his Majesty's government to in-
duce his Majesty to forswear his most solemn oath?
(Loud cries of " Order, order," and cheers from f.l-,e
Conservatives.)

Earl GREY said, I certaiiii7 never can refuse the
privilege to any noble lord of putting a question to
his Majesty's tninisteis,- nor shall I ever be unwilling
to answer such question when properly addressed.
I must however think upon the present occasion both
that the question put is a very strange one,
and the ground upon which it is put not less
'so. The noble duke first sets out with
assuming that there is a discrepancy existing between
the declaration of his Majesty's ministers and the con-
stitution of his Majesty's administration. With respect
to the declaration alluded to I can say nothing,
not having advised his Majesty upon that occasion,
being in no ways responsible for that declara-
tion, not knowing by whom it was reported,
nor on what authority it rests ; but this I
can say, that if that speech decares his Ma-
jesty's determination to uphold the church, I
am certain that it expressed truly the feel-
ings and determination of his Majesty upon that
important question. ( Hear, hear, hear.) Give
me leave farther to say that as to the inference
which the noble duke appears to draw from
what premises I know not, that there is in the
constitution of the present Administration something at
variance with the determination of his Majesty to uphold
the church, I must give to that the most positive con-
tradiction. The noble lord refers to the secession of
some members of the administration. Nobody regrets,
both upon personal and public grounds, that secession
more than I do, but I am sure, on leaving his Ma-
jesty's Councils, upon grounds which they in their
conscience, iniiimour, and in duty, felt themselves com-
pelled to act, will give me credit, equally, for a sincere
desire vriih thdinselves to uphold the security of the
Protestant church. ( Cheers.) More than this I
will not say upon the present occasion, as pro-
bably we shall soon have—possibly in the course
of this very night, an opportunity of going more
into the circumstances which are connected with it ;
but I must protest, distinctly and decidedly, against
any interpretation which that noble duke may put upon
the changes which have unfortunately_taken place in
his Majesty's councils, that may lead to the con-
clusion that there is, in those who may remain in
his Majesty's councils, any other than a sincere
desire to maintain, by such means as they may think
best for the purpose, the purity, the efficiency, the
dignity, and the usefulness of the established church.
The manner in which the question has been introduced
Ido not think is proper. He has called upon me
to answer this singular question, so singular that
I believe it has not before come into the mind of
any man to put,—" Is the administration founded
upon the principle of forcing his Majesty's con-
science ?" Is it possible that the noble duke has
thought upon the subject; and is it possible
there can be any but one answer to it? ( Hear,
bear, hear.) He may condemn the measures of
his Majesty's Ministers as loudly as he pleases,
but can he entertain the idea that any man here ever
had, or ever would attempt, to put the slightest
restraint upon his Majesty's conscience ? If any man
hid proposed anything in opposition to what his Ma-
jesty deemed to be his duty, as the Sovereign and
father of his people, such a man could not remain for
one moment in his ffice as an adviser of the Crown.
( Hear, hear, hear.) Having said thus much
in answer to the question of the noble lord, I am
ready to meet any charge which the noble duke or
any other peer may be prepared to bring against me,
and if his Majesty's ministers are unworthy of the
royal confidence, the proper course for the noble duke
to take will be to move an address to his Majesty to
remove them. ( Cheers. )
The Duke of GLOUCESTERpresented petitions
from several non-residents of the Universities of Cam-
bridge and Oxford against the claims of the dissenters.