The Sun.
London, England, 1851-05-24 00:00:00

th4Tafes taken have been 3s to 5s per cwt under those cur-
rent last week. Of 900 bags at auction the whole sold, ordi-
nary to good red at 39s to 465, and grey at 35s to 38s 6d, but
chiefly at 36s to 395. The value of -Grenada is now 34s to
40s and with a dull demand. In Foreign the purchases
have been trifling; Bahia and Para can be obtained at 26s to
28s, and Guayaquil at 30s.
COFFEE.—This afternoon the market for home trade and
export sorts of Coffee presented a dull appearance, and former
rates are supported with difficulty. Native Ceylon in small
parcels sold privately at 39s to 40s. Of Plantation Ceylon
46 casks 230 bags at auction were nearly all taken in at the
full value, fine and superior at 71s to 75s ; the small part
sold went at 58s to 66s for good to fine, and at 42s 6d to 52s
for other sorts. The tendency of prices is evidently down-
wards for all kinds of Coffee.
TEA —A further reduction has taken place for common
and good ord Cliagou, lld to 1 lid per lb having been ac-
cepted ; a good business however has been concludtmeO,diom
Ocher
sorts
are purchased with caution ; there are sellers
to rather strong blackish leaf at 11id to is Idoo oealoondgbhetatveer
kinds is lid to is 7d. Several parcels of
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have been operated in with caution, and the quantity on
offer far exceeds dealers' wants. Scented and Pekoe Teas
are dull of sale at the previous currency.
RicE.—To-day Bengal Rice was in better demand, and
2,046 bags at auction were all sold at full rates, mid and
good mid white at 8s 6d to 9s 6d. Of American 100 trcs
were withdrawn ; there were buyers at 16s. Of Arrowroot
190 pkgs in part sold, Bermuda at is ld, other sorts of West
India 2d to 3d per lb. 40 barrels Tapioca taken in at 3d to
44d per lb.
SrfcEs.—To-day prices declined d per lb for Pepper;
1,031 bags at public sale sold—good clean black Sumatra at
3d; good light Batavia 21:td, and Penang 2:Ad per lb. Of
Cassia \rep 136 chts sold at 32s 6d to 388; loose and broken
31s 6d to 335, these are lower rates. Of Pimento 9 bags went
at 434 d per lb.
SPIRITS.—There has been a further decline for East India
Rum ; sales are, however, upon a more extended scale, and
amount to 400 puns at is 3d to is 3i.cl proof. The rates taken
are is 5d to is 6d for proof Leewards, and purchases have
been small. Demerara is cheaper; but a good
business has been concluded in strong sorts,
and sales are 300 hhds at 2s to 2s 2d for 33 to 40 over proof.
The amount of business done in Jamaica has been again
small by shippers and home dealers; holders are desirous to
sell, low and mid quality 30 to 34 per cent over proof at
2s 3d to 2s 7d, good mid to good 33 to 34 per cent
over 2s 8d to 33 3d, and fine 3s 4d to 4s per gallon.
Brandy is not cheaper, but little has been done. The value
of Cognac best brands of the vintage of 1850 is 4s 4d to 4s
6d, 1849 ditto 4s 6d to 4s Bd, 1848 ditto 4s 8d to 4s 10d,
1847 ditto 58 3d to 5s sd, inferior 2s 63 to 4s; and Bor-
deaux 2s 2d to 2s 3d. In British made Spirit or Geneva
there is no variation.
INDIGO. —Since the termination of the auctions there has
been little desire on the part of shippers or home dealers to
operate in East India, and at former rates merchants are
disposed to sell ' indeed, if parcels were to be pressed a de-
cline would be the result. Imports have been on a large scale
since last week, and the stock exceeds that of the previous
season by 2,700 chests, whereas home and export deliveries
are less by 4,400 chests. The large public sale of 1,241 serons
of Guatemala Indigo will take place on Monday; there has,
in consequence, been but little business concluded privately
in Spanish this week.

NOTICES OF CERTIFICATES.
At the Court, Basinghall-weet.
J. Burrell, Blackmore, Essex, victualler, June 20, at
one—W. Couch, John-street, Fitzroy-square, pianoforte
maker, June 13, at two—J. Glasspool, Regent-street,
lathes' boot and shoemaker, Juno 16, at twelve—W. 11.
Tautz and B. Jackson, Great Russell-street, Tottenham-
court-road, linendrapers and milliners, Juno 17, at twelve.
In the Country.
B. Davis, Tredegar, Monmouthshire. draper, June 17,
at eleven, at the Court, Bristol—H. Reynolds, Aber-
haman, Glamorganshire, innkeeper and coal contractor,
June 18, at eleven, at the Court, Bristol—W. G. Wil-
liams, Carnarvon, woollen and linendraper, June 13, at
eleven, at the Court, Liverpool—J. Hill, Holcombe
Bogus, Devonshire, linendraper, June 18, at eleven, at
the Court, Exeter.
CERTIFICATES GRANTED.
J. B. Warcup, Broadway, Deptford, certificate of the
second class—C. Graham, New Oxford-street, hosier,
certificate of the third class—J. C. C. Millar, Clifton-
street, Finsbury, surgeon and apothecary, certificate of
the second class—T. Rowan, Cambridge, draper and tea-
dealer, certificate of the third class—S. Shaw, Saddle-
worth, Yorkshire, timber-merchant and lime-dealer,
certificate of the second class.
PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED.
R. Wallace, J. Watchurst, and R. Thompson, Man-
chester, cotton spinners—R. Mirfield and M. Mirfield,
East Bierley, Yorkshire, topmakers—J. Barnes and H.
Benson, Laneside, Lancashire, manufacturing chemists
and drugget dyers—A. Crompton, and A. Milne,
Crompton, Lancashire, cotton spinners (as far as regards
the said A. Crompton)—S. E. Taylor, G. B. Taylor,
and F. Chamberlain, Bristol, West India coopers (as far
as regards the said S. E. Taylor)—W. Jones and P. R.
Philipps, Bailisifi, Carmarthenshire, ironfounders—C.
R. Freeman and H. Freeman, Norwich, grocers—J.
Kenward, T. Ticehurst, and J. Stonham, Manchester,
drapers—J. Roper and C. Cocker, Wakefield, York-
shire, woolstaplers—J. Whyatt and J. Clarke, Man-
chester and Salford, common brewers—W. Shaw and
W. Draper, Manchester, fustian manufacturers—E.
Shaw and W. Poulson, Kuottingley, Yorkshire, earthen-
ware manufacturers—G. A. L. Marshall and W. Haigh,
Carey-lane, City, wholesale shirt makers—S. Liverside
and H. Cooper, Hall Bower, Yorkshire, fancy manufac-
turers—J. Stevenson, R. Baxter, W. Stevenson, and R.
N. Baxter, Brinsworth, Yorkshire, millers—J. Laidlaw
and J. Erskine, Truro, Cornwall, drapers—N. M. Day,
J. T. Metcalfe, and G. Metcalfe, industrial cutting-ma-
chine manufacturers—G. H. Ames, P. Maze, P. W. S.
Miles. J. W. Miles, G. Gibbs, R. Bright, I'. F. Aiken,
T. Kington, C. Pinney, 11. Bush, R. Ricketts, and C.
F. Sage, Bristol (as far as regards the said P. F. Aiken.)
INSOLVENT PETITIONERS.
George Stone, Poling, Sussex, blacksmith.
John Shaw, Kingston-upon-Hull.
William Anderson, Kingston upon-Hull, journeyman
shipwright.
Samuel Ward, Kingston-upon-Hull, licensed victualler.
Joseph Green, Kingston-upon-Hull, hairdresser.
Hannah Watson, Kingston-upon-Hull,
Thomas Roberts, Presteigne, Radnorshire, chemist.
Joseph Booth, Manchester, journeyman paper stainer.
Charles Willett, Manchester, schoolmaster.
Edward Scholes, Crowland, Lincolnshire, tailor.
Alexander Pope Fletcher, Paington, Devonshire, school-
master.
Joseph Anstey, Birmingham, greengrocer.
Frederick Love Watson, Westbromwich, Staffordshire,
tailor.
William Tarvar, Smethwick, Staffordshire, road con-
tractor.
Samuel Share, Dudley, Worcestershire, grocer.
Robert Cockerill, Towcester, Northamptonshire, agent
to the County Fire-office.
William Henry Fisher, Leckamptan, Gloucestershire.
SCOTCH SEQUESTRATION.
W. Wanless, Edinburgh, grocer, to meet within
Dowell's Rooms, Edinburgh, May 26, and June 19, al
twelve.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, May 23.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool-
sack at Five o'clock.
REGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES BILL.
When the gallery was opened we found the LORD
CHANCELLOR presenting a petition against the Bill
for the registration of assurances of land. In doing so
his Lordship expressed his disapprobation of certain
provisions of this Bill.
Lard CAMPBELL was surprised at the opposition
offered to this Bill, which was founded upon the reports
of the Commissioners on Real:Property, and which had
been considered in Select Committee, and which he be-
lieved bad in principle the support of the great majority
of their Lordships.
The Earl of FEVERSHAM was opposed to the Bill.
It was most urgent that the landed proprietors of the
country should be called upon to register their title-deeds
and their mortgages. It would cast a great expense on
them, and would be most unjust. It was not the county
attorneys alone, it was the great body of the landed pro-
prietors who were opposed to this 'measure of general
registration of title-deeds. They would require a build-
ing as large as the Crystal Palace to hold all these
registers.
Lord BEAUMONT thought the 130 urse adopted by the
Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack was scarcely
fair. The report on which the Bill was founded was pre-
sented to that House last year, and was referred to a se-
lect Committee, on which the Nobles and Learned Lord
sat. His only objection was to an index of maps that
was,overruled. The Committee then went into Com-
mittee, when the Noble and Leetr.ned Lord had an
opportunity of bringing forwttr d his objections.
He did not bring forward his °kit:diens. Instead of
the present process the proposed met wiure gave the mort-
gagee perfect security without ex pense. The Noble
and Learned Lord never stated bi a objections in Com-
mittee, and that was the proper plac e for the Noble and
Learned Lord to bring forward his objections if he en-
tertained them. He had a great nuspicion that the
Noble and Learned Lord was against registration
altogether, and he thought he might turn round
and oppose the measure whip h was introduced
by his own colleagues in the Government. There
was no intention, as the Noble Lord opposite supposed,
of forcing him to bring all his titl. a- deeds to London.
All he would have to do, if he wish( el to dispose of his
estate, would be to afford the propos.Sl i purchaser an op-
portunity, which under the present P. 3 "stem he would de-
mand, of investigating the title; arid the registration
would enable the purchaser to dispo at 3 of the estate with
much greater facility than the No It le Lord could do
under the present system.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that his respect for
their Lordships would not suffer him to pass over the
imputation of unfairness, and he hoped that their Lord-
ships would not judge of the gent ual accuracy of the
Noble Lord by his accuracy on this occasion. He had
attended the Committee on its second 'meeting, and stated
that he understood that great object ions existed to the
scheme, but had not made up his mu ell, and that under-
standing great differences or opinion e xisted among the
Commissioners, he said he thought t b e best plan would
be to examine the Commissioners. T h ey were examined,
and, although that examination was not concluded, he
had heard sufficient to satisfy him th set the plan of maps
was perfectly impracticable. If apl I could be devised
fir registration which could carry 'out the object he
would support it. It was easy to bring in Bills for reform,
but unless they were well considered ti to sy were worse than
useless. If this Bill could facilitate the-conveyance of pro.
perty it would be ofgreat use,if not it w could be a great evil.
Ho had not attended the Committee iei ace. He had not
the power of attending the Committee and of admi-
nistering justice in their Lordships ' House and the
Court of Chancery at the same ti roe.—(Hear, bear.)
What did the Noble Lord mean taxing him with
unfairness ? He had done his best, ct )nsistent with the
numerous and onerous duties he had to perform—
(Hear)—to understand this Bill, and he thought the
Bill required amendment. Theres was one clause
which was most objectionable, and t h at was the clause
that required a will to be registered'. within two years.
That clause would disinherit many wi,t lows and orphans.
He had met with many person s who had been
loud in their eulogies on this Li 11, because they
were ignorant of its provisions, but, when they were
informed of them they changed their o pinions. He was
not the opponent of registration, hte would be a most
zealous assistant if his Noble and Lear ned Friend would
introduce a measure that was practicable.
Lord BEAUMONT explained, that in using the word
unfairness he had no intention of cast ing any personal
imputation on the Noble and Learns d Lord. He had
merely meant to say that he thought, if the Noble and
Learned Lord had attended the Corm tnittee he might
have rendered the cause of registrati on, of which he
declared himself a friend, great services,.
Lord CRA.NWORTH made several observations in
defence of the Bill. The nature of th e machinery by
which the Bill was to be carried in to execution was
pointed out, and the modes operandi, brat the details were
not pointed out. If their Lordships s tense to wait till the
n . He felt details were settled, the Bill must be postponed indefi-
itely t that there was great force in the objec-
tion to proceeding with this Bill to-nigt.t, inasmuch as the
print had only been circulated yesterday.
Here the conversation dropped.

SALTPETRE. - This afternoon Saltpetre was less in request,
and prices declined 6d per cwt. At auction 757 bags Cal-
cutta were sold—fine 4% to 2% per cent at 27s 6d to 28s,
and 51/4 ditto at 27s for very good.
CocnntEAL.—This afternoon at public sale 65 bags Tene-
rife Cochineal were only in part sold at 3s 4d to 3s 7d, but
chiefly at 3s 4d per lb.
TALLow.—This afternoon the public sales of 600 casks
Sydney Tallow went at 36s to 37s 3d for Sheep ; Ox 34s to
35s 661 ; 200 pkgs South American 34s to 368 9d ; 50 cks
East India Vegetable Tallow 27s 6d to 21s 6d.
OlLS.—This afternoon the public sales of 270 tuns Sperm
Oil went at lower rates, and a part only sold ; the best did
not sell above.Bsl; 138 casks Gingelly Oil at 281 to 30/ per
tun_

THE LONDON GAZETTE, May 23.
FOREIGN-OFFICE, MAY 22, 1551.
It is hereby notified that Viscount Palmerston, her Ma-
esty' Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, has
receive from Sir Stratford Canning, her Majesty's Ambassa-
dor at Constantinople, a dispatch, dated the 23d of April last,
enclosing a " note verbale" or memorandum from the Porte,
announcing that the blockade of the coasts and ports of
Samos has been raised by order of the Sultan.
WHITEHALL, MAY 23.
[The following is substituted for the article which appeared
in the Gazette of Tuesday last, the 20th instant.)
The Queen has been pleased to appoint John Dalrymple,
Esq., to be Lieutenant and Sheriff Princißal of the shire of
Wigton, in the room of Randolph Earl of Galloway, resigned.
WAR-OFFICE, MAY 23.
2d Regiment of Life Guards—Cornet and Sub-Lieutenant
Henry John Townsend Stephens to be Lieutenant, by pur-
clase, vice Honourable Jacob Henry D. Astley, who retires;
Assistant- Surgeon Thomas Tardrew, from the let Regiment
of Life Guards, to be Surgeon, vice Abraham James Nisbet
Connel, M.D., who retires upon half-pay, May 23.
Bth Light Dragoons—Cornet Somerset John Gough Cal-
thorpe to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Davis, who re-
tires, May 23.
2d Regiment of Foot—Acting Assistant-Surgeon Francis
Holton, M. 8., to be Assistant-Surgeon, May 23.
10th Foot—Surgeon Charles Alexander Gordon, M.D.,
from the 57th Foot, to be Surgeon, vice Mockler, who ex-
changes, May 23.
14th Foot—Ensign John Barlow to be Lieutenant, by pur-
chase, vice Payne, who retires, May 23.
21st Foot--Captain James Hill Albouy, from the 46th
Foot, to be Captain, vice Dickins, who exchanges, May 23.
45th Foot—Brevet Major Edward Baker Bere, from half-
pay 15th Light Dragoons, to be Captain, vice Donald Wil-
liam Tench, who exchanges; Lieutenant George William
Morris to be Captain, by purchase, vice Bere, who retires ;
Ensign Robert Graham Howard to be Lieutenant, by pur-
chase, vice Morris, May 23.
46th Foot Captain George Caldwell Dickins, from the
21st Foot, to be Captain, vice Albouy, who exchanges,
May 23.
57th Foot—Surgeon Edward Mockler, from the 10th Foot,
I to be Surgeon, vice Gordon, who exchanges, May 23.
62d Foot—Brevet Major William Mathias to be Major, by
purchase, vice Jones, promoted in the 2d West India Regi-
ment; Lieutenant and Adjutant John M. M. Hewett to be
Captain, by purchase, vice Mathias ; Ensign George O'Don-
nell to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Hewett, promoted ;
Lieutenant Charles Lambert to be Adjutant, vice Hewett,
promoted, May 23.
99th Foot—Lieutenant Patrick Johnston, to be Captain,
without purchase, vice Brevet Major Nicholson, deceased,
Feb. 17.
2nd West India Regiment—Major Loftus Francis Jones,
from the 62nd Foot, to be Lieutenant-Colonel, by purchase,
vice Sedley, who retires, May 23.
STAFF.—Brevet Lietenant-Colonel Edward Macarthur, on
half-pay Unattached, to be Deputy Assistant-General to the
Forces serving in New South Wales, vice Brevet Lieutenant-
Colonel Godfrey Charles Mundy, who resigns, May 23.
Commission by the Lord-Lieutenant of Derbyshire.
William Henry Frederick Cavendish, Esq., to be Deputy
Lieutenant.
Commission by her Majesty's Commissioners of Lieutenancy
for London.
Regiment of Royal London Militia—Lieutenant-Colonel
William Thompson to be Colonel, vice Colonel Sir Claudius
Stephen Hunter, Bart., deceased, May 13.
Commissions by the Lord-Lieutenant of Gloucestershire and I
Bristol.
Royal South Battalion of Gloucester Light Infantry Regi-
ment of Militia—Allen Alexander Bathurst, Gent., to be
Ensign, May 16 ; Edward Stratton Fitzhardinge Berkeley,
Gent., to be Lieutenant, vice Hawker, promoted, May 19.
WHITEHALL, MAY 15.
The Lord Chancellor has appointed William Henry Atkin-
son, of Blandford, in the county of Dorset, Gent., to be a
Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery.
BANKRUPTCY SUPERSE )ED.
Thomas Bagg, publican, Aston, Warwickshire.
BANKRUPTS.
James }lucks, cooper, Mill Pond-bridge, Rotherhithe,
to surrender June 3, at two, and July 1, at one, at the Court
of Bankruptcy. Edwards, official assignee, Sambrook-
court, Basinghall-street ; Borradaile and Dimsdale, King's
Arms-yard, Moorgate-street.
John Bavin, draper, Wisbeacb, May 31, at half-past one,
and July 12, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell,
official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Sole and Turner, Alder-
manbury.
Shadrach Edward Robert Jones, apothecary, Wroekwar-
dine, Shropsbire, June 3 and 25, at twelve, at the Birming-
ham District Court. Valpy, official assignee, Birmingham ;
Motteram, Knight, and Emmet, Birmingham.
George Machin, spade and shovel manufacturer, Dudley,
Worcester, June 5 and July 3, at twelve, at the Birmingham
District Court. Christie, official assignee, Birmingham;
Dingnam and Hemmant, Walsall.
John Wilkinson, brace manufacturer, Nottingham, June
13 and July 11, at ten, at the Birmingham District Court.
Bittleston, official assignee, Nottingham; Shilton and Son, I
Nottingham.
Edmund William Reilly, livery-stable keeper, Bath, June
C, and July 7, at the Bristol District Court. Acraman, ofti-
cial assignee, Bristol; Hellings, Bath.
William George Henry Taunton, civil engineer, Liver-
pool, June 5 and 26, at eleven, at the Liverpool District
Court. Turner, official assignee, Liverpool; Holt and Rowe,
Liverpool.

PRICE OF SUGAR.
The average price of Brown or Muscovado Sugar, com-
puted from returns made in the week ending May 2U,
1851, exclusive of Customs Duties paid or payable thereon
on the importation thereof into Great Britain :
From the British possessions in America 275. 2d. per cwt
From the Mauritius ... 2Ss. lid. From the East Indies .. ••• ... 255. Sid. „ „
Average price of the three foregoing de-
scriptions of sugar, jointly, computed as
above, and exclusive of duty ... .• 273. 40.
By authority of Parliament,
HENRY BICKNELL, Clerk of the Grocers' Company.
Grocers'-hall, May 23.

BANK OF ENGLAND.
(From last night's Gazette.)
♦n Account, pursuant to the Act 7th and Bth of Victoria,cap. 32 for
the Week ending on Saturday, the 17th day of ➢fay, 185
MDR DEPARTMENT.
Notes issued 26,705,095

Government debt .. 11,015,100
Other securities •• • • 2,984,900
Gold coin and bullion 12,671,720
Silver bullion • • • • • • 33,375

26,705,095
M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier.
Dated the 221 day of May, 1851.

£26,705,095

BANKING

oEPAILTNEN T.

Proprletorecapital 14,553,000
Rest .. • • • • 3,139,966
Public deposits (in-
cluding Exchequer,
Commissioners of
National Debt, Sav-
ings-banks, and Di -

Government marl.
ties (including Dead
Weight Annuity).. 13,590,988
Other securities .. 11,887,695
Notes ........ •. •• .. 7,579,520
Gold and silver coin.. 651,325

GUANO.
The Duke of RICHMOND, after It aving presented a
number of petitions from places in Susi ex, and in various
parts of Scotland, against Papal egg cession, proceeded
to say that he wished to pnt a glut stion to his Noble
Friend the Secretary for the colonise s on a subject of
some importance to the agriculturists of this country. It
was well known that there had been a xtensive importa-
tions of guano of late years into our ports. The Peru-
vian Government had hitherto enjoy ed a monopoly of
that article, and although they migl it have sold it in
London at a profit for Si. a ton, they had charged
for it not less than 91. or 101. a ton. The agri-
culturists of this country had, hove ver, learned with
great satisfaction that a discovery of large quan-
tities of guano had lately been made in Wes-
tern Australia. But they had at the same time learned
with surprise and regret that the Governor of that
colony had placed upon the article the enormous export
duty of 21. per ton. Now, as the pesiple of this coun-
try admitted Australian wool and corn into their
markets without the payment of any duty, it was rather
hard that the Australian Government should place on
one of their export articles that hig la duty. He wished
to ask his Noble Friend whether he was aware that the
Governor of Western Australia had ii nposed that heavy
tax on the export of guano; and. il' so, whether that
proceeding met with his approval?
Earl GREY said it was true that a discovery of large
quantities of guano had been made in Western Austra-
lia at a distance of about 300 mile s to the north of
Fremantle. It was also true that sea export duty of
about 21. per ton had been imposed 13:7 the Governor of
Western Australia on that article. When that intelli-
gence had reached him, he had felt •that that duty was
too high. But as the article was a valuable one, and
to be found in limited quantities only., and as it was de-
sirable that precautions should be tak en for preventing
its being wasted, he thought it only fair that a mode-
rate duty should be paid for covering the cost of those
precautions. In the years 1844 and 1845 the export
duty on guano had been fixed at the Cape of Good
Hope at 11. per ton. That appeared eo him to be a fair
amount, and he thought it only reasonable that a simi-
lar charge should be imposed in Western Australia.
He had therefore sent a dispatch to the Governor of that
colony directing him to reduce the export duty on
guano to 1/. per ton, and at the sane° time to afford
every facility in his power to persons engaged in that
trade.

vlaend accounts).. 6,017,417
Other depo4its •• •• •• 8,921,477
Seven day and other
Pas— •• • • 1,077,668

£33,709,528

Z 33,709,528
'. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier.

Dated the 22d day of May, 1851

SEABORNE MAILS.
[N signifies that tha mails are sent from the General Post-office
by the night—and Mby the morning--aiispateh.]

When made up in From what
PLACES. General Post-office port dis- When
London. patched. due.
America (by Brit. pkt.)N May 30 .. .. Liverpool.. May 27
America (by U.S. pkt.) N May 27 .. Liverpool ..
America (by U.S. pkt.) M June 4 Southampt. May 29
Africa (West coast).. N 14th of the month Plymouth June 3
Alexandria* ........ N 19th & 30th of rue. Dover .. May 28
Belgium • . • . •• N Daily .. I Dover .. Daily
Brazil . .. 9th of the month !Southampt. June 12
Buenos Ayres M'9th of the month Soathampt. June 12
California(viaChagres)M 17th of month I Southampt. June 5
Cape of Good Hope N 14th of month I Plymouth.. !June 3
Constantinople* N 7th 17th 27th of mo ;Dover .. May 30
Central America M2d & 17th of mo n. ISouthampt. June 5
Channel Isles .. N Mon., Wed., & Southampt. Tn. Th.S a
Chili M 17th of the mon th 'Southampt. June 5
France .. & NLTwice daily .. !Dover • • Twicedaily
Greece* .. .. Nith 17th 27th ef mo !Dover • • May 30
Hamburgh NiTuesday & Frk lay ,London .. Tues. Sat.
Holland • . M,Wednes. & Sa• tur.'London Moff.Thrr
Honduras .. N.l7th of the mc Southampt. June 20
Ireland .. •• M & *Twice daily .. .. Holyhead .•!Twicedally
India (via Southamp.) M 20th of the as math Southampt. !May 23
India (via Marseilles) N 7th& 24th offal onth Dover • .June 2
Mediterranean (via c
Southampton) .. M 20th of the rti mth Southampt. !May 23
Mediterranean (via
Marseilles) N,7th& 21th of rf ionth Dover • • 'June 2
Mexico .. M2d of the na Di nth.. Southampt.lJunes
1}
Madeira • • • • .. M 9111 of the nic nth Southampt. June 12
Malta* - ,7th,17th,191.h ,27th! Dover Ma
& 30th of r n oath y 28
Naples* N'sth 15th 25th ofrno Dover •• June 2
Papal States* .. sth 15th 2.5 t to ofmoDover .. June 2
Peninsular.. 7th 17th 27tla of mo Southampt. May 24
Peru .. 17th of the ir onth ISouthampt. June 5
Tuscany* N sth 15th 25t h ofmo Dover •• June 2
West Indies 17th of the month ISoutharapt. June 20
West Indies (except !
Havanna & Nassau) M Id of the m! )nth ..!Southampt. !June 5
'l' The malls to those c ountries th. 114 i marked (4) are conveyed by
French packet via Marseilles.
CiraFoama.—Mails to and from Cie lifornia, ria the United State
are now despatched and due by every American packet.

The Duke of RICHMOND said ho felt much obliged
to his Noble Friend for that answer. He would, how-
ever, remind his Noble Friend, that in the years 1844
and 184.5, when a duty of IL per ton had been imposed
on guano at the Cape of Good Hope, the agriculturists
of the country had been much better able to afford the
payment of it than they were at preseu t.—(Hear.) They
had then been receiving 60s. a quarter for wheat, while
they were at present receiving only 4403. a quarter; and
if they could get a return to the old prices of wheat
they would have no objection to the payment of a duty
of I/. per ton on guano.—(Hear. and laughter.) He
would, however, submit to his Noble Friend, that it
would at least be but fair to order the Custom-house
officers to return 11. on each ton of that guano for which
a duty of 21. per ton had already been paid.
Earl GREY said it was not always easy to remedy a
mistake. He believed that if IL of the 21. duty were
returned that would be of very little use to the farmers,
and would benefit no parties but those who had shipped
the article.

RAILWAY SHALE MARKETS.
BRISTOL, WAY 22.
STOCK EXCHACTOE.—The sha ri 3 market is still depressed.
The only transaction reported t(>-day was—Yale of Neath,
Goa dia.

LIVERPOOL, MAY 22.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sha ri3 market keeps steady, at
about the opening prices to-da.y., but not much business
doing. The transactions were as; follow :—Caledonian, 13—
Ea3t Lancashire, 14%—Lancash ire and Yorkshire, 56%
i;itto, Fifths, dis.—London and North-Western, 122
Ditto, New Quarters, 3112 p.-7 tlidland, 55—Ditto, Halves,
16 dis. —South-Eastern and Dov ei , 244—York and North
Midland, 23 __ .

MANCHESTER;, MAY 22.
Brocx EXCHANGE.—The trans is .ctions to-day were as fol-
low :—East Lancashire, Quart( n •s, 14X—Lancashire and
Yorkshire, 56 —Ditto (W. R. Union), 51,4 dis—North
Staffordshire, 7% dis.—South-E a stern and Dover, 24 n.
BIRMINGHAM[, MAY 22.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—The share narket continues depressed.
The only transactions reported to- lay were —Shrewsbury and
Birmingham (A), 5% dis.—Ditl.c (B), 4/. 1 ls. 3d. dis.

DIVIDENDS.
At the Court, Basinghall-street.
S. Adams, W. B. Adams, and G. Ralston, Bow, Mid-
dlesex, engineers and railway carriage builders, June 14,
at half-past eleven—G. Maddison, Swaffham, Norfolk,
grocer and tallow chandler, Jane 14, at one—R. Havann,
Canterbury, fellmonger, Jane 14, at eleven—H. Med-
worth, Wisbech St. Peter, Cambridge, grocer, June 20,
at halt-past eleven—T. L. Clayton, Pottesgrove, Bedford-
shire, milkman, Jtin,, 13, at one—G. R. Galloway, St.,
victualler, June 19,
John-street, brush manufacturer. June 17, at eleven—R.
Dodd, Sheerness, builder, June 17, at half-past eleven—
': Saul', Long Buckley, Northamptonshire, licensed
month
Cansdall at one—S. Jevons, Lincoln, shoe-
Shore'tuakkee June ,
teh "iv at twelve—W. Locks, Leonard-street,
timber merchant. June 19, at twelve—J. M.
ley, side, Norwich, draper, June 19, at eleven—F. Tap-
, Devonshire, linen draper, June 19, at
eleven.

PENTONVILLE PRISON.
The Bishop of OXFORD rose, pursuant to notice, to
iut a question on the subject of certain recent altera-
tions in the administration of Pentonville Prison. That
prison had been originally established with a view to
make a great experiment for the punishment, and at
the same time for the reformation, of criminals. In
order to carry out that experiment it had been arranged
that no person who had become indurated in vice
should be confined in that prison; that it should only be
employed for the punishment of persons who had com-
mitted a first, or at most, a second, offence; that pri-
soners there should be subject to separate confinement;
and that after they had been released from it they
should not be subject to any degrading punishment, or
compelled to associate with the more abandoned class
of criminals. That arrangement had been for some
years adhered to, and, as he believed, with marked
success. But it would appear from the report which
had been presented to Parliament last year, with re-
spect to the state of the prison, and from the report of
this year, which had been printed, but which had not
yet been published, that those conditions had recently
been, to a great extent, disregarded. Ile found that
among tho parties who had last year been sent to Pen-
tonviile Prison, some had been punished five times,
others six times, others ten times, others sixteen times,
and others so many as twenty times, while some
of them were convicts who had returned from
Veil Diemen'e Land after having spent there
a term of transportation during the worst and most
frightful period of the penal system in that colony.
It appeared, too, that although one chaplain had declared
that the system could not be fairly tried unless the pri-
soners were kept at Pentonville for a period of twelve
months; and although another chaplain thought an im-
prisonment of eighteen months indispensable for that
purpose, the average period ef the imprisonment of par-
ties last year had not exceeded forty weeks. Then, again,
with respect to the destination of those persons who hod
passed through the discipline of the prison, he perceived
that in that ease also there had been a departure from
the original understanding upon the subject. It had seed
originally proposed that those persons should be allowed
an opportunity, either in this country or in some of our
colonies, of regaining by industry and honesty a place
in society. But he found from the return for the last
year that 68 of them had been sent in one draught to the
York hulk; that 23 of them had been sent there in ano-

MEDITERRANEAN SCREWS,• AND PADDLES. 'The
Liverpool steamer Nile, which ret n rued to Malta on the 29th
April with damage, left again on ti he 7th May for Liverpool,
after making the necessary repair na. At the period of her
bearing up for IWalta this vessel him I no less than thirtean feet
of water in her after compartment ; but, being constructed
of iron, and divided into compartro, ants, the centre and fore
parts f the ship remained perfectly tight and dry. This in-
stance affords a great proof of the security of life in iron
over wooden vessels, and furnishes a strong recommendation
to our Legislature to adopt iro n ships for mail ser-
vices, when attended with passes gl ar traffic, in preference
to wooden ones. In the case be: Fore us, had the leak
occurred to a wooden vessel, the can 3W could not hate done
otherwise than abandon her, and. endeavour to seek, by
means of the ship's boats, the possible although uncertain
preservation of their lives, whilst ; a noble ship, • with
a valuable cargo, must have been inevitably lost.
The Peninsular and Oriental Com; any's steam-ship Sul-
tan, which left Southampton or , the 29th of April,
reached Malta on the night of I he Bth of May, and
the Ganges, belonging to the sam e company, which left
the same port on the night of the 3 st May, reached Malta
early on the morning of the 9tlt , both vessels having
touched and coaled at Gibraltar. Ti e Ripon, Peninsular and
Oriental Company's steamer, arrived at Malta, after an un-
precedentedly fine run of three days i and six and a half hours
from Alexandria, on the morning of the 13th May. and was
to leave for Southampton on the sra ne evening. The over-
landbank above
London mail of the 7th May Ix ad not reached Malta at
noon on the 13th. The Sultan le f t for Constantinople on
the 9th May, and the Ganges for Ale xandria on the 10th.
and the totalio
beeUurPH-STREET SAVINGS-BAlir. K.—An account has
drawn up stating the particula -s of the mode in which
then3P
>OM voted for the relief of the depositors in the late
unpaid, but for wbie
claimants. namedi has been distribul ed among the various
total number of adin itted claims was 1,977,
the claims were
27,744/. 4a. amount of them 56,221 9/. 16s. 4d. On these
has been paid, and 3671. 15s. 9d. remains
who'll orders have heel i prepared. In 7 cases
claim was admitted, rejected, and in 20 only part of the
2,454/. Ils. the amounts rejected making a total of

Jane 13, at eleven mei',
T.
Dean,
seaconk the Country.
Cheshire, chemist and druggist,
ciourther and spirit merchant, June
Newcastle-upon.T3,ne he Court, Liverpool—J. Johnson,
aewcastle-upon-Tyne.
atrDEIVIDENDS.
19, at twelve, aytwithEeNTs
urday
, Santbreol-ncsotu.,rta,nßa
J. P. Burnell, Moorgstte.
eleven and two,
Elana-anld
china and glass dealer, 33, 9d. oetti and
~ Coleman-street,
s,b4turday, 24th inst.,
two, at the
and three subsequent Sat
a tshi Thr
eg:
at the office of Mr. Edwards
hall-street.
Elizabeth-street,
victualler, 4s. Id., on Saturday, 24,h iP ace, licensed
C. G. Jones,
subsequent Saturdays, between eh3vcrt
office of Mr. Edwards, Sambrook-court, B •
astnghall-
street.
G. J. Sharp, Duke-street, Tooley-street, Southwark,
tailor, 3id., on Saturday, 24th inst., and three sub3e.
quent Saturdays, between eleven and two, at the office
of Mr. EdwaTds, Sambrook-court, Basinghall-street.
S. Keen and W. Langford, John-street, Pentonville,
brewers, Is. 51, on new proofs, on Saturday, 24th inst.,
and three subtsequent Saturdays, between eleven rand two,
at the office of Mr. Edwards, Sambrook-court, Basing-
hall-street.
11. B. T
nek New Cavendish-street, milliner, la, on
Saturday,9 '
-4th inst., and three subsequent Saturdays, be-
tween etewnand
Sambro k twc, at the office of Mr. Edwards,
o •court, Basi h ll' 1 t
J• D. Clegg, R og a s ree .
9d., on Tuesday, plen, Lancashire, cotton-spinner, ls.
between eleven and 27,0 r any subsequent Tuesday,
cheater. _ one,
, at the office of Mr. Putt, ,Man- ,

THE 12TH LANCERS FOR. TE E CAPE OF GOOD
HOPS.—The Government decided yes terday that a cavalry
regiment should proceed to the Cape of Good Hope ; and the Commander-in-Chief has issued ordeal I
to hold themselves for embarkation tab tto the 12th Lancers
that colony.

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 24, 1851.

ther draught; that 53 of them had been sent to Portland
prison; and that 109 of them had been sent to the hulks
at Bermuda. Now, he was aware that the Surveyor-
General of Prisons thought that the object for which
the prison had been founded might be attaiued, notwith-
standing those alterations, and he entertained the highest
respect for that gentleman; but still that was merely a
matter of opinion, and he confessed he could not help
arriving at a contrary conclusion. Pentonville prison
had been established for the purpose of carrying out the
great experiment in the way of the reformation of pri-
soners; and in his opinion that experiment could not be
fairly tried if hardened criminals were sent to the prison,
and if those who had passed through the discipline
there were subsequently exposed to the worst species
of moral contamination. He believed that the
practice of sending those persons to the public
works in Portland, Bermuda, or elsewhere, would be
fatal to the whole system. He was glad, however,
to find that in one department of the public works at
Portland arrangements had been made which would save
the prisoners from the loss of self-respect, by removing
them from the public gaze and enabling them to gain
some of the rewards of labour. But he should• repeat,
that he feared the system originally established at Pen-
tonville prison had been departed from to an extent
which seriously endangered the success of the whole ex-
periment. The question he had to ask her Majesty's
Ministers was, how far they bad carried out, or in-
tended to carry out, alterations in the fundamental prin-
ciples of the administration of the Pentonville prison?
He should be glad to receive from them any explana-
tion they might be able to offer upon the points to which
he had just directed their attention.
Earl GREY said, it was true that Pentonville prison
stood at present on a somewhat different footing from
that which it had been occupied when it had been used
merely for the purpose of carrying out a great experi-
ment. That prison had originally been established
with a view to determine whether the system of sepa-
rate confinement ought or aught not to be generally
adopted. So long as that system was employed as an
experiment it was quite right that it should be strictly
adhered to; but it was obvious, that in order to make
it really tell on the criminal administration of the
country it was necessary, after the experiment
had been found successful on a limited scale,
it should be extended to criminals generally,
and not he confined to a few selected individuals. The
experiment as originally made had been found eminently
successful, and it was for that reason that it had been
carried into more extended operation. It was true that
prisoners who had returned to this country after having
undergone former sentences of transportation were at
peesent to be found in Pentonville prison; but he should
observe that those persons formed the very class of cri-
minals whom it was most desirable to subject to separate
confinement, and to deprive of the opportunity of conta-
minating the minds of others. There was no part of the
punishment to which criminals were subjected which
they dreaded so mach as separate confinement. They
all knew that it was so awfully severe that no man could
undergo it for any great length of time without consi-
derable injury to both mind and body. Indeed without
the nicest attention it could not be safe to inflict that
system beyond a given time. Some time ago some men
were kept for twenty months under the operation of
the system, and they were broken in health and
strength to a degree which it was never the intention of
Government or Parliament to effect.—(Hear, hear.)
Now, if men went through that punishment for minor
offences, there should be something more for serious
crimes. As long as it was an experiment it might be
very well to confine it to one particular class, but when
it became a general system, they could not apply
the same punishment to the man who had committed
a minor offence and to him who bad committed a
manslaughter, only a degree removed from murder.
Such a prisoner ought not to be sent, after eighteen
months' separate imprisonment, to labour. The system
of convict labour pursued at Portland was carried out in
the hulks. A change in the system was no doubt de-
sirable, but it could only be brought into operation
gradually. It was the intention of his Right Hon
Friend the Secretary of State for the Home Department
to get rid of the hulks as fast as possible ; and a sum of
10,000?. or 12,000?. yearly was applied in extending
convict accommodation at Bermuda, Gibraltar, Port-
land, and Dartmoor. The Right Rev. Prelate seemed
to think that separate confinement should follow, not
precede, labour in gangs ; and he had referred to the
opinions of Sir W. Denison in support of his proposi-
tion. But it should be remembered that Sir W. De-
nison had given that opinion in 1847 before he could
have had sufficient experience of the conduct and lives
of the convicts subjected to the separate confinement
system, and then put upon the public works.—(Hear,
hear.) All those who superintended public works
agreed in opinion that it would be impossible
to enforce the system which they carried on
at such works, if the convicts had not previously
gone through the ordeal of separate confinement. They
found that the severest punishment to be inflicted on
convicts engaged in associated labour gangs was to send
them back to separate confinement. It was said that
the labour in Portland could not be penal unless it was
degrading; but he would ask was not that labour a
punishment, and were not all punishments degrading?
Undoubtedly it was felt to be a very severe punishment
to have a man kept at hard labour all day without any
wages, and to have him sent at night into a little soli-
tary cell. Taking the large number of convicts sent to
our colonies into account, it was found that by far the
greater proportion of those who had subsequently be-
come masters, and had behaved well, were men who
had gone through the two stages of punishment. The
Right Rev. Prelate had said that the system of Penton-
ville prison had been altered by allowing a certain num-
ber of the prisoners confined at night in separate cells to
mix together in the day for the purpose of performing a
portion of the prison labour; and he had condemned the
injudicious economy of allowing such a proceeding to
break down the system. He fully agreed that it would
be very ill-judged to sacrifice the system to any petty
saving of that kind; but at the same time, looking at the
large amount of money expended in carrying out crimi-
nal punishment in this country, it was necessary to keep
down the expenditure as much as possible in order to
enable them to introduce those improvements which
were essential, as soon as they could.—(Hear, hear.)
The Duke of RICHMOND wished, as one of the
first of the Commissioners appointed to examine into
that question, to address a few words to their Lord-
ships upon it. He had been among those who always
doubted whether a separate confinement of eighteen
months, and labour afterwards, was not too much for
the health and faculties of prisoners. Having had fre-
quent opportunities of examining those unhappy men
while in prison, he could state that the separate punish-
ment was considered most severe. He was not cognisant
of the present system adopted at Pentonville, and there-
fore could not take upon himself to say whether or not
the new system had worked better than the old; but
this he knew, that a Noble Friend of his was of opinion
that it was absolutely necessary that convicts after
separate confinement should work in association prior
to their being sent to the convict ships. The change
from one condition to another was so great, that such
a precaution was required, and during their
management they had always acted upon that prin-
ciple. The present was not a party question, it was one
in which the people of this great empire was very much
concerned, because it was their duty to reform as well
as punish, and they were bound to take care that the
men whom they sent into confinement should not leave
the walls of their prisons worse than when they entered
them.—(Hear, hear.) The separate confinement with-
out labour was a heavier punishment than with labour.
He thought 18 months was too much as a period for
separate confinement, but he feared that nine months
was not sufficient.—(Hear, hear.)
After a few words from the Earl of CHICHESTER,
who was understood to defend the present system,
Earl GREY said it was the intention to make every
convict sentenced to transportation go through twelve
months of separate confinement.
The subject then dropped.
The Earl of HARDWICKE presented a large num-
ber of petitions from Cambridgeshire, against Papal
aggression.
Lord CAMPBELL postponed, until Friday next, the
Committee on the Registration of Insurances Bill.
Their Lordships then adjourned, at a Quarter-past
Seven o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 23.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four
o'clock.
CONSIDERATION OF LORDS' AMENDMENTS.
The Lords' amendments to the Shrewsbury and Bridg-
north Turnpike Roads Bill were considered, and passed.

PETITIONS.

Sir PERCY NUGEN r presented several petitions
from Ireland against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill.
Mr. REYNOLDS presented similar petitions from
Dublin, Cavan, Wicklow, Tyrone, Kilkenny, Donegal,
Wexford, Fernsgh, Monaghan, Down, Queen's County,
Kildare, and Clare.

sulLieg the creel of our Roman Catholic subjects
tied degrading. the priesthood, but proceeding on false
principles and in the dark.—(Hear, hear,)
The SOLICITOR-GENEtiAL said he was much
obliged to the Honourable Member for his annulus
speech, but while he gave him credit for
his ready wit, and the many other. qualities
he possessed, he was sorry that, in the interval
between Monday and Friday, his memory had
so seriously failed him. He considered that no course
would be more derogatory to the House than to take
evidence that certain parties had assumed the title of
archbishop and bishop for pretended sees under the au-
thority purporting to ho given by the Pope, after the
circumstances which have lately become so notorious.
The Hon. Member had said there would be great difil
culty in indicting a person under the Act without
producing the rescript of the Pope. Now, for the
satisfaction of those who thought the Bill ought to pa?
he gave his opinion, as a lawyer, that it would be effe
tual, and that he had not the slightest doubt that, under
it, any person who assumed such titles might be con-
victed without the production of that decument.—(Hean)
The Hon. Member also said the Noble Lord had taken
a teal step, that he had departed from those high prin-
ciples which distinguished the illustrious statesman
who brought forward the Bill for Catholic
Emancipation, but he (the Solicitor-General)
would venture to state that not only the Noble
Lord, but the party with whom he was connected, were
the parties who distinguished themselves in endeavour-
ing to remove those restrictions which pressed on the
Roman Catholics long before the period when that
lamented statesman passed his Bill. (Cheersn?
And it was because the principles of that fa
had been invaded by the gross arrogance of that
man who dared again to attempt to rail
what he called spiritual supremacy, but which was
fact an attempt to raise again the most despotic apt:
ritual control over the human race—it was becaus";
he had endeavoured to violate the principles of el"'
and religious liberty, as in the case of Sardinia and else'
where, and to exercise a spiritual tyranny over the Pea"
ple, that he asked the House to give its hearty concur-
rence and assent to the Bill which ho trusted would be
passed.
Mr. ROEBUCK said he would not follow the grandi"
loquence of the lion. and Learned Gentleroo?'
It was his opinions that if there was any meaning in this
first clause it, was wholly useless, because before they
could convict a man under this Bill it must be proved
that the title assumed was taken under the
thority of the bull referred to in the Bill. NOW
how was that to be proved if the suggestion of the Non.
Member for Finsbury were not adopted? It could not
be done. Either this Bill was utterly useless, or so extol"
sive as to put an end to the Roman Catholic religion la
Ireland.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said there would be
no necessity to adduce the proof which the Hon. and
Learned Member referred to, and that was his answer
to the objections which had just been addressed to the
Committee. Any offence to be committed against this
Bill would come under the second clause, and all the,
would have to be proved was simply that the offender bad
assumed a title which the 13111 prohibited. Now what
were those prohibited titles? Why, simply, those that
were nomad afer the existing sees in cities of tbli
country; and therefore no priest of the Roman Catholic
Church would be precluded from adopting a title take°
non a foreigu see.
Mr. ROEBUCK thought the Hon. and Learned At'
torney-General had proved his case, and that was 11°
less and no more then that the first clause of this Bill Ivo°
wholly useless and unnecessary.
Mr. WALPOLE wished to know if they were to dis'
cuss the merits of the anise or that of the Hon. Mem:
ber for Finsbury? For his part, he thought they ought
to confine themselves, in the first instance, to the latter
question. Ought the brief of the Pope to bo produced?
The Honourable Member for Finsbury founded
his motion upon the circumstance that there
was no evidence that any such brief hod
ever been received in this country. Now VVeS
that the way their ancestors proceeded on similar
emergencies ? No, they did not require strict
legal proof, which the Honourable Member
demanded to• day, but they based their legislation upon
what in the Saxen tongue was known as common
clamour—(lnetiical cheers)—but which when translated
into modern phraseology meant public notoriety-
The receipt of the Pope's buil was too noforious to re-
quire iegat procf, and he therefore called upon the Core'
mittee to reject this proposition.
Mr. KEOGH: said the Solicitor-General had not been
very complimentary to lion. Gentlemen who had or
posed the Bill, 'when he said that he heard no argument
against it which had made an impression on his mind.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, that what he
had observed was, that ho had not heard any argument
which bad impressed itself on his mind as being in-
vincible.
Mr. KEOGH was hound to accept the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman's correction; but after the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman had heard the speeches of the Right
Hon. Member for Ripon (Sir J., Graham), of the
Bight Hon. Member for Oxford University (Mr.
Gladstone), and of the Hon. and Learned Member
for Plymouth (Mr. R. Palmer), he yet said that he
had heard nothing which had impressed his mind,
adding the word invincible. At the same time
he (Mr. Kec.gh) scarcely knew whether to at-
tribute it to invi nciele arrogance or invincible ignorance
on the part of tb e Hon. and Learned Gentleman. The
fact was, that the Bill as it stood proceeded from that
(the Conservative) side of the House; and as the Govern-
ment would not answer him when he asked if they would
dare to put it into operation in Ireland, he could only
infer that they vrere making use of their opponents in
that House to piers the Bill, in order that they might be
enabled thereby to retain office, and that when the Par-
liamentary difficulty was got over they meant to deceive
them out of that House.
Mr. REYNOLDS said that the Attorney-General,with
his usual legal flippancy, attempted to get over the dif-
ficulty presented by this motion by saying that the Hon.
Member for Pillsbury had made an amusing speech, but
that would not go down in that House; for the question
that was submitted to them for decision as to a jury
was, whether the clergy of ten millions of British sub-
jects were to b e convicted upon false testimony or not-
If a man was indicted for forging a bill would the pro-
secutor dare tc' appear in court without the forged do-
cument? The, Noble Lord, however, did so in this in-
stance. The :donourable and Learned Member for Mid-
bnrst no doubt came to the rescue, and said the intro-
duction of the. Papal brief was known by public cla-
mour. There had been enough of public clamour; ever
since the Nob le Lord had published his Papal edict in
November there was nothing but clamour. But sup-
pose the Bill passed, did the Noble Lord think he would
be at rest or that the public peace would be confirmed?
He (Mr. Reynolds) believed not; indeed, he believed
the troubles o f the Noble Lord would have only coin-
menced.—(Cr Ica of " Divide.") He (Mr. Reynolds)
would move to report progress if he was met with cla-
mour. In conclusion, he urged that as there was no
evidence of the publication of the rescript in question—
as even the most clamorous for the Bill could not swear
to that fact, the measure, being one of pains and penal-
ties, should be postponed until the production of such
evidence.
The Comns,ittee then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment
Against, it 221
Majority ... .-••-• —172
et
The CHAIRMAN then put the first clause to the %nem-
mittee, on which,
Sir F. THESIGER rose to move the amendment ho
After the observations which had put upon the paper.
had been made on Monday night respecting this clause,
he anticipated that he would receive no opposition from
pthoeseGd
by overtnhe Government, at to that
mecnodumpleend with the t. The clause as pro-
preamble,
said that a certain rescript brief, issued by the Pope on
the 29th of S optember, 18.50, was illegal; and the ob-
a
ject of his amendment was to make all similar rescripts
or briefs, isatied by the Pope and published in this
country previous to the passing of this Act to be com-
prehended within the term of its enactment. He was
certain tthat. the House would see—even those who
opposed the measure could not fail to see, that such
an addition was essential to making the measure
complete; but, to make the matter plain, he would
state in a few• words whet was his views as to the
law affecting the questiun. lie agreed in the opinion
expressed by the law officers of the Crown ca the
subject, but he had arrived at that conclusion by a
somewhat di II 'erent course, and he would, there-
fore, state his reasons for coming to the conclusion he
had done. la order to do onc
that, the Acts of Parlia-
ment he woullei refer to would be few in number.
They were onit • those of Richard the Second, the First
and Second of Elizabeth, and the repealing Acts of 1844
and 1846. These Acts related to two distinct subjects,
which, for thin better elucidation of the question, he
would refer to :a
aparately. They were those which're-
lated to the juts sdtction of rope, and the
those
applic-
able to the int.r oduction of the bulls into this country.
The first was re gulated by the Act of Elizabeth, and it
was curious tar at during the whole cf the discussion on
this question, t 1 se most important section of one of these
statutes (the fii -st of Elizabeth), the 16th section, had
altogether beet overlooked. That section enacted that
no foreign Pri nee, spiritual or temporal, could use or
enjoy any ponner, jurisdiction, pre-eminence, spiritual or
ecclesiastical, ivithin this realm, or within any other of
the dominions of the Sovereign, and that all such were
henceforth ab();lished out of the realm. Now, there could
be no doubt if,, in the face of that section of the Act, any
subjects of thu realm had attempted to exercise such
jurisdiction or 1 iower, they would have been indicted as
for a misdemea nor, and punished with fine and impri-
sonment. Ban the Legislature did not leave the
matter in any doubt, for the punishment attached to
such transges tion of the law was provided for
by the 27th to the 20th sections of the Act in-
clusive, and ;as, for the first offence, forfeiture of
goods arid cli H ttels ; for the second offence, th© punish-
metrit of prmn inire; and forde third offence, the party
so rasgss' eg, was decla to be guilty of high trea-
son. The A eit of the 6th and 7th Victoria, passed in
1844, repi,alef I the third and second of those punish-
ments, and Li )e 9th and 10in Victoria, passed in 1846,
took away so touch of the punishment of the first offence
as forfeiture 01 goods end chattels, but still left the
offence punish able as a misdemeanour. Now, though it
might be said t hat the punishment being taken away, the
ancaey of that lath section of the Act was taken away
also, yet the elects passed he 1844 and 1846, only referring
to the punisher eat clauses of the Act of Elizabeth, the
16th section f?l' the Act still remained the same, and uu-
repealed ; ana undoubtedly if any one transgressed that
section, he wota Id be liable to be punished for a misde-
meanour. The, e, :Tail", as to th itreduction f
into this country by the Pope ofe Ronme, that was hull
pros
-
vided against, by the statute of the, 16th Richard H.--
commonly ef lied the statute of prmmunire, which enacted
that if r.nyp erson or persons issued, published, or printed,
or caused no be printed, any bulls, rescripts, or other
writings, ly hich interfered with, or called in question the

, Mr. SCULLY presented several petitions•to the same
t effect from places in Tipperary.
, Mr. KEOGH presented similar petitions from Ros-
, common, Galway, and Wexford.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented a similar petition
from a place in Kerry.
Mr. POWER also presented similar petitions from
places in the county of Kerry.
Mr. GREENE presented similar petitions from pa-
rishes in Kilkenny.
Mr. MOORE presented petitions to the same effect
from Roscommon, Tyrone, Donegal, Derry, Mayo, Gal-
way, Antrim, and other counties in Ireland.
WELCH TURNPIKES.
Sir J. TYRELL moved for a return of the expenses
of the general superintendence of turnpike-roads and
highways in Wales.—Agreed to.
CAPE OF GOOD HOPE.
Mr.ADDERLEY asked the Under-Secretary of State
for the Colonies, whether the last paragraph in the ap-
pendix to the Blue Book just presented upon the forma-
tion of the Orange River Sovereignty, was all of the
official correspondence upon the suspended formation of
the Cape Constitution which it was intended to lay be-
fore the House; also, if the House would be informed of
the extent to which the Governor of the Cape was now
borrowing from the English Treasury, on the credit of
the revenue which he might be able to raise if he could
get a Legislative Council to serve under him?
Lord J. RUSSELL said if the Hon. Member had
looked at the votes he would have seen two sets of
papers—one set relating to the Orange river sovereignty,
and the other to the Capo constitution. The Hon. Mem-
ber had evidently adverted to one of them instead of
looking at the votes and learning their nature. He
(Lord John Russell) believed that one set had been de-
livered, and that the other would be delivered in a day
or two, it having taken more time to prepare. He did
not very well know what the Honourable Gentleman I
meant by his last question. Sir Harry Smith had
been, as the House was well aware, endeavouring to
protect the British subjects in Kafraria from the at-
tacks and murders which had lately overwhelmed them.
He was now fully employed on that duty, and ho did
not think it would be desirable to embarrass him by
stating anything in the House which was calculated to
have that effect.

Mr. ADDERLEY wished to know whether the
money paid for current expenses above the amount of
the revenue received by the Governor would be borne
by the English Treasury?
Lord J. RUSSELL said be would make inquiry, but
he was not aware of any sums being expended beyond
the revenue.

EPISCOPAL REVENUES.
Sir B. HALL wished to know when the returns
respecting episcopal revenues would be laid on the table?
Sir G. GREY said a return of the incomes of arch-
bishops and bishops had been presented to the House
so-day.

ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. BRIGHT complained that the motion for the
adjournment of the House had been moved for at the
unusual time of ten minutes past four. Now, it had
been the practice hitherto to ask important questions of
Government upon that motion being made, which were
of great interest to the public, and it was therefore only
right that the motion for the adjournment should
be delayed until such time as the majority of Hon.
Members are present. He asked the Speaker whether
it was not more consistent with the practice, if it was
not indeed a rule of the House, that the motion should
be made after the time alloted to private business had
expired.
The SPEAKER said there was no rule of the House on
the matter, and the motion could be made at any
time. If the motion were to be taken advantage of
for the purpose of raising discussions on different topics,
it would lead to great inconvenience, and practically
destroy the rule which gave orders the precedence over
motions.
Mr. BRIGHT repeated that it would have been more
straightforward had the adjournment been moved at a
later period.
The matter then dropped.
MINISTERS MONEY IN IRELAND.
Mr. REYNOLDS wished to know when the Noble
Lord at the head of the Government intended to fulfil
his promise to bring in a, Bill fur the abolition of mi-
nisters' money in Ireland.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the discussion on the Eccle-
siastical Titles Bill had taken up so much time, that he
was afraid he should not be able to introduce the Bill
this session.
Mr. REYNOLDS gave notice then that he would
take an early opportunity of calling the attention of the
House to evidence taken before the Select Committee
on ministers' money in Ireland, with the view of intro-
ducing a Bill for its abolition.
ROCHESTER CATHEDRAL.
Mr. MC WATT wished to know if the Right Hon.
Secretary for the Home Department had any objection
to produce the correspondence which had taken place
between the Ecclesiastical Commissioners and the Dean
and Chapter of Rochester Cathedral, on the subject
of the trusts of that Cathedral?
Sir G. GREY said that not knowing anything of this
subject, he had made inquiry from the Ecclesiastical
Commissioners, and found that the correspondence con-
sisted merely of communications which had been re-
ceived from the Rev. Mr. Whistoa on the subject,
and answers to him merely acknowledging the receipt of
his letters, and as legal proceedings were pending he did
not think it desirable to produce these at present.
Mr. MO WATT said that no legal proceedings were
at present pending, and consequently the answer of the
Right Honourable Baronet was not a sufficient one; he
should, however, give notice that on the first occasion
of going into Committee of Supply he would take that
opportunity of bringing the case before the attention
of the Ileum
Mr. HCRSMAN wished to know whether the Right
Hon. Baronet was aware that the clerk to the chapter
had writtsn a letter to the Ecclesiastical. Commission,
expressing his readiness to have all the correspondence
on the subject published.
Sir G. GREY said he had no knowledge of any such
letter, awl he believed he had stated the substance of
all he knew to the House.
MONTE VIDEO.
Mr. ROEBUCK gave notice that on Monday he should
ask a question of the Noble Lord at the head of the Fo-
reign Department with regard to Monte Video and the
loan granted to that country.
ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL.
The Eloise then went into Committee on this Bill, Mr,
MARNAL in the Chair.
On clause 1,
Mr. THOMAS DUNCOMBE rose to move that the
clause be postponed, until the House is in possession of
a copy of :he brief, rescript, or letters apostolic upon
which the enactment in the said clause is founded.
Whatever. he said, was the difference existing among
them on this question, it was allowed that they had now
obtained the Bill to which the Government
had picked themselves to abide. This, how-
ever, was far from being the Bill which they
had read a first and second time. There was a great
deal of new matter, and particularly the first clause,
which he was about to ask them to postpone. That clause
' made mention of the letter or rescript from the see of Rome,
and he thought they ought to have this rescript before
them before they consented to deprive many millions of
their fellov-subjects of the.rights conferred upon them
by the Emancipation Act. He had taken the liberty
of asking the Noble Lord to produce this brief
before, but he had been answered by being told that
it was a matter of notoriety contained in every news-
paper. Were they, however, to legislate on news-
paper information? Supposing, for instance, a Bill
had been brought in to banish M. Mazzini
and his companions merely on the ground of
the article which had lately appeared in the Times
newspaper respecting him, and which after all turned
out to be a mere hoax. What would they say then to
legislating on newspaper information ? He wanted
to know, then, why these letters apostolical
should not also prove a mere hoax.—(Laughter.) He
denied, however, that this letter signed byl Cardinal
Lambruschini when produced would be found to confer
any power or titles at all, it mentioned no man's
name, and conferred no titles, and yet their Bill was
to prevent the assumption of certain ecclesiastical titles.
The rescript gave no titles, and therefore he thought
the Noble Lord himself was bound to produce his
authority for these titles ever having been conferred.
Whenever a Railway or a Divorce Bill was introduced
into that House, the parties were obliged to prove their
preambles, and ho would call now upon the Noble
Lord to prove his preamble. The Solicitor-General
had paid him a compliment the other
night at the
Athlone,
expense of the Honourable Member for
by saying that his demand for the rescript was cer
tainly just the sort of question which a man
of common sense would ask on the, first
clause being considered,
but the Solicitor-General
seemed the most useful man be bad met with for some
Ronusstheleli.)
”tbfreomGoLvoerrdnmjeehnnt
time, and he congratulatedr
acquisition.—(" Hear, hear,
The Noble Lord cheered that, and he supposed, then,
the Solicitor-General was just the sort of man that they
ly
wanted. He had said, too, that he was perfect
ready utterly to demolish every argument which had
been or could be brought against the Bill.—(Cries
of " Hear, bear.") Well, then, he thought the
time wascome for this demolition, and they would call
upon te Solicitor-General to perform his promise.
There certainly were not many
lawyers on the
other side, although when he saw the lion. and Learned
Members for Sheffield, Athlone, and Plymouth, he would
find rather tough materials to deal with. The
Attorney-General, hovvever, had said but little about the
Bill, and to do him justice seemed to care less.
Now, he asked, was it worth while going on with this
Bill and wasting the time of the House; had they not
better proceed with the business of the country?—(Hear.)
He saw there were three or four amendments ou
the paper, but he knew there was double
that number in reserve, and would it not be
better, under these ciscumatances, for the Noble Lord
to make the Bill a present to the other side ?—(A laugh.)
D,pend upon it the Noble Lord was pursuing a phantom;
he ve.::s intentionally becoming the advocate of principles
which neither became him nor belonged to him.
Then why would he still persist in going on with the
Bill—why was he not satisfied with the bigotry which
he had evoked, a ith the laurels which Oxford had pre-
pared for him, and with the commotion which
he had created from one end of the kingdomiiii
to the other?—(Cheers.) If he was still not satisfied,
and was determined to go on, all he asked him
to do was at all events to furnish the House
with a copy of the documents on which he pro-
ceeded.—(Hear, hear.) They were not only in-