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London, England, 1851-03-12 00:00:00

them to be. Toe gross revenue seising from
Crown lands in 1789, was 19,6001.; io 1799 it bad grovel,
to 21,600/.; in 1809, 42,0001.; in 1819, 120,0,e1g
in 1829, 183,100/.; in 1839, 188,4001. L. and -.1"
1849 and 1850 to 203,3001. (paid into the and
200,0001.) Under the authority of Parliament, the rentt
of the land revenue were whol'y diverted from the Fs.
~chequer for the purposes of the improvements in Regent'
treet and the Strand; in 1837, these purposes hall°,g,
been accomplished, the surplus rents were nesde aol,
able in aid of ways and means, and continued annually te
be so ever since. Between the years 1529 and 1839 net'
tain light-houses, belonging to the Crown, wore 11;3,5e.
(erred to the Trinity Board, by which the rental 0. te,
Crown property was diminished upwards of 10,0001. P,e`.
annum. The Irish land revenue was transferred to tsn;
Commissioners of Woods in 1827. In 1828 it sw°uie eio
to 56,400/; in 1829 to 60,800/.; in 1539 to 53,200'ire,
1849 to 54,200/. The greater part of the Irish lea uOf
‘.enue consisted of feefarm, or unimProvable rents:o f
which there had been sold, in the aggregate newtio:e
6,000/. per annum since the transfer. The sSe°tchcoodg
revenue was transferred to the Commissioners of % 9.50
ton 1832. Iw 1831-2 it amounted to 14,9001; iu 184
~ ,
i, 26,8001. The revenue of the Isle or Man oral VP;
f rred to the Commissioners of Woods in 1827-Si; i,
1827-8 it amounted to 1,400/. ; in 1829-30 to 2,l()%zet
1839-40 to 5,4001.; and in 1849-50 to 5,0001. He th°,-rnir
thato that summary, though necessarily brief, Ott of
t show that the affairs of the department bed
,beenn so grossly mismanaged as the representations:: As
) the subject might have left the House to suers oet
he happened to have been in town attending polo bit,
and otherwise occupied here during the past Yeticr; the
attention had been turned more to the prop ertY o'etry.
_Crown in London than to its possessions in the etbro111;
iNaoLwo,ethe Crown rents, from the property of the slit or
London amounted in the year ending on the test
Vlareh, 1850, to 137,885/. The cost of collectil4ooo
revenue was only I,oool—(hear, hear.) At slot e,, 00
there was not such bad management there. e`votee
came.__ to the statement of his Noble Friend, wh° tflerti
House that the gross income of the Crown P. dbeea
during the seven years to which their attention bed toe
during
,'specially directed amounted to 2,446,785 L, sne bee
those years only 774,000/. of that sure hbe wee
paid into the Exchequer, his Noble Friend „to
time adding that a sum of 1,672,000/ bad bat
tee
to n oth% 000
expended, of which expenditure he seemed fiilFl'est,
that the House bad not been sufficiently inforrnen;oted
somehow or other, those funds had altogetbereeePo', tee
without the knowledge of Parliament and a,.1) be
properrs exercise of its control. He had, theneede of
land
place to observe, that the balance to the creel or
revenues of the Crown amounted in the ra°"lo be
April,.,. 1849, to 145.269/., and that sum was „eel;
116,920/. for the Victoria-park, which
d ducted from the 1 672,000/. referred to in the 'trice of
of his Noble Friend. There was aof !oge
no part of the expenses of the land revenue. .'"„cr.o•
done by Act of Parliament, and was as clear 00 leis,
ati°" as any vote of the House of Commonl* d coal'
then, reduced the sum of which his Noble Frien . ea'
tion of it. But beyond this there
plained to 1,410 000/ which nting Pr ' rble
~ was accou sides
ceriainlf 1,1 olis
portion fixed by Act of Parliament with weyerecer
House of Commons could not Crowinterfere—there" sir,
was a c'bicb the
manent charges on the land revenues of the te
port, and under the authority
pointed by old Acts of Parliament, as old as the
there
Charles, which were set forth in the apPendix it h°o,eli
paid in the course of the seven years. ParlialOi'irectiOg
sad recently interfered with those funds bfluecri-dillf ,
the application of money for improvements ill r 00 °
and for augmenting the fund known by thc _ to tliiii
Queen Anne's Bounty. That expenditure ryas
extent of 78.000/., which, added to the be de'
already mentioned, gave a total of 216,001. this t 136
For all mesti
ducted further from the 410.000/.
present officers of the department were V ,n,°-ptieir_
I esponsible—t hey were old transactions for wl:rooter
mem, itself was responsible. Nothing could bed t° fre
than that; and having said so much, be wie , t e
mind the House that last year his Noble Friencirsitos.
head of the Government had ahovvn himself most
tart
of these 138.600.
at
ive,
to divide the Board of Works from the f
loe °ded e
and Forests and Land Revenue, and reconoveri,roida
for• should be brought in and the exPerigeot Wo‘,„'".
by votes of that House The department TresselJ„'
and Forests would then be. subordinate to the for Ir
moot. Fo
It seemed
evils which his Noble Friend stated would be tn,"iegle;
the Bill that was
himselftro him, t hheeni,3ai thatght thesay pbreo pwears
il: exid::
i, eitte.:;
proposed in the last sessioa.oool:
Po
be;
come as well acquainted as he could with thellueesere,
in order to be of use in the discussion of Ilion eeer'e
that___e might be introduced on the subjent-""( eon° sll*"ft)
He,... wasil glad. during the few months tbat he cool oq. e
ithLet e purpose, not only to make himself actin
sluei of Otto
details of the department, but to eisitns latereforef,„
forests as he possibly could. Be intended, t,
thougle.Pt,
take art in the consideration of the Bill; elOof Wor;ts
every assistance in
might be placed at the head of the Beard ected °let
• therefore, probably not immediately conrld to ta',,
the
with raegell,r he.e,Lablieeel
Woods and Forests he should still be gla d to b°tr,P.
tamedmight
a strong conviction that, though ,eee o° de'
t. be brought generally from
neoentesdcwotutlbd
tbneotdeti yea W
sYe '0" I,
geracel3otre°llalreptherelo
mhe notice of Parliament, yet surely the 11°IleoteilS 6,°3
orniallte " f the iiii)o,
revenues of the Crown and the royal
deal
collection wi
tahn dalliinitg
eivaould be, for instance, the drainage s° 5 SIC: 5 4tb'hircrti
on
et'untY, the repair of a tarnebottse .- sip 0 t-itb,
~contribution for the maintenance of * road oor I
lace, assistance for the drainage of 10'1/%oold 13°0
exercise
any effectual control. They riiinig osure6tbei
utra d. and
principles, they might take —Nish " to
„m. r ing against the infringement of those xereise all
ight, on the Mass of the transactions, ' vita it iti
effectual control, but they could not interfere occeed
re
details; if they did they would probably setter Balled
the undertaking. The House had much befog Orr.ert
to some good principle, and insist on it 9 pot fiS5 0.
out. ri,.. regretted that the Committee dr
ow the pro
some broad and general principle, showing tow it flibigal
peerty of the Crown might be managed, showing
1030 if "b-er
h bestbest improved. It the House wisbedttboolight t„94,
to improve the Crown property, he e ocl l'od
must The law go back to the report of 1,., see ....0
u law expenses incurred certaini/ ~ed Po,
who Oa°
enormous but when the House roue geed. ,orne
much Crown property had bees re,ect° see 'o9ed
how much had been lost, they wow 00
old
Dot
ground for this great outlay. The resole' d cool ois
by his Noble Friend would be ineffectiee, en , ibis ~,.,
,rO., .0 ~..
be carried eut, as Parliament could no forne elonseele
note expenditure. It would be better tu.he 0: U.l)-0
•.. 03 ig Aber
permitt the Bill to be brought in, dividinrel" la,
frfm the Works, so that all the expendt“" the ..," no
confided to one of these departmeets, While et girieen
wouldo become a mere source of reven,„Llee'Des !Ant ea-
d übt true that the metropolitan improvee-beir joie bad
undertaken by the Woods and Works illat reeentle Be
pacity, and that the security of
,the I°,o leorithll'roech
been mortgaged for the executon of th",-,b ooe broach
would admit also that the facility with which esP.ttoe;
was able to borrow money which the, °"it,,ele t°,,, too
hail led to proceedings which it Was divide t'-eetit°
andd he proposed to accomplish this by uig-the occ-,,,,r,
departments. It certainly appeared foal° e tag last Jod
as
ras• a rbevenue and expenditure of the For :nditareolted
his Noble Friend, that the eel if he ~i° thit
the incomy income were very nearly balanced; e to fitieber
to the end of the Forests' accounts, he WI) the
there
given t were
sums to be received Or
sid, trop,
di,
as
thate the navy which had not yet beepll3l3, fro°, the
was the chief source of ii3c°, to sink,
forests,re-
ex it seemed to him to be an odd way d got 11",, for
expenditure and the income before you ecii Dot Pa,l'itir-
-0• 11: ttse—(Laughter.) The AdmiraltY c",. It 1/132bick
imber
until it arrived at the dockyaAutioa The
impliedpossible for the House to agree to 9,
7relioeoo/. bficl Tv,
what was not the fact, that 1.6 ot. f the
withheld
without the knowledge of panes.wrests ,°,b the
real requirements of the case and the le ,tog go' to-.
public y VOCeee" iir 00 Ccf,,
r, service would be best met b
mil/ of which Lord J. Russell gale Potle„diogly 0361,
"cement of the session. He would aoo°` lot to nye
asaa
amendment, for leave to bring ifo tile wood% ,ii,
ent 0
_ better provision for the manage r° so for ,tl).,„hch
forests and land revenues of the Crovvib,, jot or " tfer
reetion of
the public works. This was the _.,d into
he had spoken, which divided the present bolo
; , Y
departments. e. resolut'°- 00
Mr temp,
* 11- said the first part of the which Do jo,
Glared that certain results had taken Fibitchs't tbe gr„e8,8000
could deny. The second part affiroe"_l;equer, and "Pre
come ought to be paid into the Pcvooeur in that eile,
there be any person who would not voce that tai
position? Ile advised th© HoUse t° ue the 'Pas.' of
was before soietioo
When the Gover B-Il
nmen t tb
would be t 1 •Is nee ere
seen how fur the detat e.ere,_,,ri
the Noble Lord the Member for 13at,d the collo') V
Sir B. HALL thought the House tS`'
T.Ord Pineafidilif:l
much indebted to his Noble Friend ( ed tae '-'l,oo'
the assiduity with which he had Pur5e,,,,,d,..--(-- go
into the Crow '"" aD° • e
management of the be oust elieo
cheers.) As a metropolitan Member, t
coloreu°l r
that h . eying been brought into frequen ~eds sod_ore
with the Noble Lord at the bead of thusol-' edieetewol,o
rests (Lord Seymour), he never saw re Pe /i,ted 1 fill
AI 0
anxious to prevent the ebusee which ha:40,6.)
to j
times[eparment than the Noble Lord--(('%01005, boa;
he had found the Noble Lord 01°s' rests,Ot t.'
that which was desirable for the public inte .
,:03000,00
reference to the individuals in thet esten°l beeo; lie
(Cheers.) The Noble Lord, bow ever, had !Pod. i'll eel
to controvert the statements of his Noble Fllroogli iota
vas sure that if the Crown propertY were u,d bop
by Year under the notice of Parliament, it would .
0°
managed
.and at less cost to the COVIOtry. t°` 1
or tbb
Sir R
WILLOUGHBY should rest his supl?„.sts
04
motion of Lord Duncan upon two grounds rl,_ie IV.
b W oP
large sums were received and expended Y.,led 017,00
and Works, and secondly, that no check existed &not
large portion of this expenditure. Se s'i toed loe
wider range than his Nebl.. Friend, and be Aoriog tiro
the sum received by the Woods and Forests e eoditooi
last eighteen years was 7,340,0001., while tbe e6P.o3oet•
during that time had been no lees than j. 016 _ 0
It was no answer to say that a large portioo3 013 t, f0L.,.0
penditure was appropriated by Act of Parliirfirs 0,01:1,
large proportion was not so applied. Sre,_6l oer, Itgera
actual surplus carried to the public Exellecltbe eY-fir.)
altogether delusive, because it wee created 1,00,13'00
of selling the capital of this preperiy.---0" eats t, to
From 1831 to 1849 he believed that not 1e3'44
1,200,0001. of the capital had been sold. 1',1.° foto 14 t,
1842 the capital sold amounted to 744,0001.; 0,0 lig tie
to 1849 it was 133,0001. A large sale 0 Cr „e 0001 n.
houses took place also in 1839, for which 3&ore icer
obtained. When the Committee asked Air•t 0 ed.i'be
this 300,0001. was expended, they could g" 113 ' r
answer than that it was expended unprocluctice Yo. ese,
Board of Words tend Forests bad, i-O truth, hflooee''
cising incompatible functions. '.l hey reeeivie-L014:;
they paid money, they sold their capital, 011" - Or
rowed.—(Hear.) They had not only old dad"