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OFFICE OF ORThyANCEo

li'd'ruary 6, cBoc.
erHE PRINCIPAL ,OFFICERS of His
yEsTris ORDNANCE do key Site Notice,' that
Sell,* PoZile Andion, at iI Tos,er, en rbu)sa'ay the
Febrees9, last, ietw.rir hin hen ,r, Fis en and tour
• eciack, su liy 1.01:r of VU Uaservireaele Ordnance St%trt.
consisting of ;Barrels for At uagurts, Deis for diito„ 111Sagurs and
Carbine Ildywrits, Steel Rammert, Swords of so, is , Nea4betids,
Cirtourb illses, Leather" Accoutrements, Ca, ,Saddler, Harrell,
Collars, Bit Halters, and various piker ticlet of,Saddleiy ; tvcd
throw, Blankets, Coverlets, flarnm9eks, and sundu other Arti.
efts of Bedding; Powder Hares, Forge carts and Bellows, Cast,
Bushel, and Lump lion, Copper, Sand Bags, amt ansritare
other article: ; the whole of which may 4e viewed, 41,5 n applies.
that of the Honourable intim! Storeheeper's Vice, at the 1 ovneri
uhtil the Diej, raj Sale, where printed Lim of toe Lots toil! bra
delivered to those Person: 'ubo may arky for the same.
By Order of the Board,
R. H. catm;

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS.

FRIDAY, M. 8.

LORDS LANDAIT and HER a FORD were sworn and
took their seats.

• Counsel were heard at great length relative to the.
Appeal Callac—Glover u. Glover. Judgment post-
poned till Monday.
The !ills upon the table were forwarded.
The further proceedings in the Committee of
Privileges on the claim to the.Rous Peerage, were
rostponed froin Tuesday to Thursday nexto—Ad.
journed till Monday.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
FRIDAY, FEB. S.

Mr. fitonmsdr, from the Office of the Commis.
sioners for the Redtidior of the National Debt,
presented the Annual Account of these Commis.
. sioners for the last year.
Sir W. YouriG, to chew the value of the Wert
India Trade, preparatory to the discussion of Mr.
WI wit titiOaCt'S Motion, moved, That there be
laid before the House an Account of the quantity of
Raw. Sugar, *ported, and the Refined Sugar ex.
ported, and the amount of 'Duties paid thereon in
the year ending ph January, 18o5; also an Ac.
count of the quantity of Rum imported and exported
in the same period, with the amount of the Duties
thereon ; an Account of the amount of British Ma.
nufatures exported to the West India Colonies ;
sod an Account of the number of Ships, and their
Tonnage, -*employed. in this Trade,. di!,tinguishttPg
the Ports."-.-Ordered, •
The Mutiny Bill was read a second 0;14, and
ordered tw be committed on Monday.
The SecaltAltY at VAk gave notice, that in
consequence of an application that had be made to
it was his intention to move, io the Commit,
tee, for the Amendment of a Clause introduced into
the Bill; a few years ago, relative to the carritgc on
Canals. This Clause was at first intended to per:.
mit the carriage of baggage toll free, in removing
troops,from one place to another. It was, however,
in some instances construed to warrant the free
passage of ordnance stores, which would be a great
oppression ; and it would be the objed of his
Amendment to remedy this error.

Mr. Ross brought in a Bill for enabling the
Greet!lansl Whalers to complete their crews. Itsild
a first time, and ordered to be read a second tune
on Monday.
The Exchequer Bills Bill Wdll, reici a third time
and passed.
Mr. ALexANnita. repotted from the Committee
on the Loyalty Loan. Leave was given to bring
in a Bill conformably to the Resolutions.
JUDGE JOHNSON.

afr. JAMES FITZGERALD, in consequence
of the determination of the Court of King's Bench
in Irelind, on the construdion of the Alt passed
in the fast Session, for the more easy trial of of.
fenders escaping heart one part of the United King.
dom to another, in which determination the cow.'
strudion had been established by the opinion of two
Judges against that of one ; in consequence also of
the great agitation that 14.4,timscilmr*Isttitsti;
entsmattestonstati.'oitiV t -ei stir c
of the Gentlemen of the Irish liar, who, if they did
not conor with him, would have abandoned all
that independence of judgment, and all chore sound
principles of law and reason of which they had ever
br..en so honourably tenacious, felt it his duty to
call the attention of the House to the provisions of
the Act in question, which so flagrantly called for
Amendment in the point he alluded to. He should
have felt it his duty to give notice of a particular
Motion on this head,,if he did not think the Amend.
men; would come better from the quarter in which
the Aft had originated. He trusted the Hon. 'and
Learned author of the Aft would offer such Amend.
talent as would be best calculated to preserve the
spirit of the Alt, and at the same time to remove
every thing that could give rise to such unjust con.
sttuflon.

The ATTORNEY-GENT!! 4L had no difficulty
in allowing that the At required Amendment in
some points, At the same time he doubted, whew
then the Amendments he thought it requireil were
she same that were wished for by the Hon. Gentle.
man, for he knew of no Amendments that were ten.
Acted necessary by the proceedings in that Court,
nor did he think it right, in the present state of
those proceedings, to prejudice the discussion of the
ease now before the COlitt3, by a Parthirneimry dc.
claration of the sense of the House upon the con.
struiftion of the At.

Air.GaRALD said, that according to his
view of the justice of the ease, the person taken up
should be at liberty to give bail where the arrest
took place, for. his appearance where the offence was
committed. It could never have been the intention
of the framer of the Aft, that a person .arrested in
Ireland, ful-a bailable offence entemitted In England,
should he brought to the place where the offence
was committed without beingallowed to give bail;
err, that a person arrested in England for an riffincs
committed in Ireland, should bq conveyed to that
Country without ay/41in? himself of the lege!
mode .of liberation till the time of tri4l.
The AT eostesy Guisur., in explanation,
agreed perfectly, that the evil complained of by
the Learned Gentleman had never been in his con.
templation„ The provisions of the Aft of last See.
sion had been copied front the At of t Geo. 111.
between England and Scotland, in which the defeet
Lad nut been noticed until the occurrence now ht—
hided to had discovered it in both.
ARRESTS FOR TREASON IN IRELAND.
\i r, ITAGett4t,t) proposed to move for an he.
count of 811 Pet3ons imprisoned in Ireland for 'flea-
sui;;ibit4 Charges, together with the causes of their
..Atrebrs, their means of subsistentic while in prison,
in:d how and when such of them as bad been liber,
died were dischatged.. in Answer to Sir EVAN Ns.'
erAu, who e:lrincssed a difficulty iof stating Patti.
the or emeruitment, lest it should
Li-awvery of the chanovis thrtacgh whio
t;,,overritnent had its inform:l:ion, Mr. AViTz a: it ft ALD
he vvielittf inctely to know generally the

ascertaining how the Government of Ireland had
executed the AE}, the renewal of which was to be
this night moved; whether it deserved the•charao.
ter of moderation that was claimed for it by some,
or the imputations of severil that was cast on it by
others—an elucidation which the Right lion, Baro.
net' ought to wish for as much as he.
The Motion being cleared of some superfluous
%voids, on the suggestion of the CH ANCELLoR of the
EXCHIQUER, 56 as to comprehend only persons corn.
mitted for State offences under the Aft for the
Suspension of the Habeas Corpus, the general cause
of their commitment, together 'with the time of
their discharge, Mr. FiTzriERALID gave notice that
he would put the Question on it on Monday.
Mr. WINDHAM, as the Budget could not be post.
poned, gave notice, that he, would brink forward his
Motion on the State of the Army on Thursday se'n.
night. He said, the delay now proposed .was the
only one that had arisen from him, of the various
delays this Motion had undergone, in consequence
of the pawky of the discussion of the affairs with
Spain. He hoped it would not be put off further.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
would have been extremely happy to post ponethe Bud.
get, if it were not desirable that it should be brought
forward with very little delay, which could not be if
it were put off from Monday, the succeeding Wed.
nesday being the Fast Day. He took this occasion
of 'suggesting the • propriety of putting off the dig.
cussiun of the question relating to the Middlesex.
Elation, which stood for Tuesday, as it would be
inconvenient to discuss it on the night after the pro•
bable late sitt;tig of the night preceding:
The Order fixing the discussion of the Middlesex
Eieetion for Tuesday was discharged, and a new
Order made for Thursday.
The SECRETARY at WAR, in answer to a
question from Mr. WINDHAM! stated, that the 300
Boys mentioned in one of 'the Recruiting Accounts
presented ia3t week, ware part of the Soo which
the particular Levy amounted to.
Sir Jour; AWDERSON presented a Petition froM
the l louse of Gore and Co. praying to be indemnified
for a loss, amounting to 35,0c01. on a quantity of
Herrings purchased by 'them in Sweden, for the re.
lief of the people here, in the scarcity of t Sod, and
detained in Sweden, by the embargo, in come.
quince of the dispute with the Northern Powers.
The CHANCILLoR of the EXCHEQU aP. gave the
recommendation of the Crown to bring the merits of
the ease before the. House, vithouLpledging himself
to support the application. The Petition was re.
'erred to a Committee.
SUSPENSION OF THE lIAIIEUS CORPUS ACT
IN IRELAND, •

Sir EPA N NEPE AN, in consequence of a notice
given yecterday, rose to move for leave to bring in
a Bill for the further continuance of the MI of 43
Gen. 111. for the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus
ACt in Ireland. The .continuation was rendered
necessary by the existence of disafreetion, in a con.
siderable degree, in Ireland; by the avoweddetermi,.
nation of the Enemy to invade that Country, and
the preparations notorbusly made for that Inva.
sion ; try the fatft.of the collefflon and association of
a number of Irishmen with the Forces designed for
that purpose, an the aBnal sitting of a Committee
of United Irishmen at Paris, corresponding with the
tJnite.d 44 test
bon; -ntc An now in force was to expire in
six weeks after the commencement of the present
Session. He would, according to precedent, move
for leave to bring in a Bill to continue it fur.
ther till six weeks after the commencement of the
next Session.

Sir.
.70BN NEWPORT did exped that in
rising to move for the continuation of the Suspension
of the Habeas Corpus Aft, the Hun. Baronet would
have laid some ground for such a measure. If the exist.
enee of Committees of United Irishmen at Paris, or of
persons calling themselves such,were to be a justifiable
cause for ati Aft of Parliament like this, we would
have to look for the continuance of the Suspension
of, the. Habeas Corpus Aft throughout the whole du.
ration of the war; for if the existence, or pretended
existence, of Committees of United Irishmen at
Paris was sufficient to drive us to the relinquishment
of our dearest rights, would not the Enemy have a
continued interest in colleCting such Committees, or
pretending they were collet-led, if it were only for
the purpose of exciting jealousy 'among, and depriv.
ing the people of the most invaluable part of its
liberties, and depriving the Crown of the attach...
meta and support of a
,great part of the people ?
He did not deny that 'sortie degree of disaffec-
tion may exist in Ireland ; possibly sufficient to
warrant this applicatitm.. But he did say, that
there was no evidence of that disaffedion before the
House, and of course there was no good ground for
this application. It was necessary to
prove to the
people of Ireland, and to establish in their: minds,
that the imperial Parliament would not cause_
lesslY invade its rights ; that the same Care
weuld be taken not to deprive it of the coma.
tutional James of its liberties as Would be
bestowed on, the people of England itself. The
grounds on which the House would consent to
sanction such a privation ought to be great indeed.
Islo would vq, that with respect to Ireland, 9r North
Britain, they ought even to be greater than them
with tespeti to England; and the granting such ex.
traordinary powers in those parts of the empire
ought to be most narrowly looked to, for great
powers exercised at a great distance were more
liable to he abused than when they were under
the immediate inspettion and contreol of Parlia.
ment. Instances had already been laid before the
House of such powers being stretched, when the
exercise of them was remote from examination.
He therefore thought the House should not grant
such powers when there was no ground laid. Nay,
even the ground which was laid, by the movers of
the proposition was adverse to it. For when he.
looked back to the extraordinary circumstances with
which the motion was introtinced, he could not
help thinking, that it was matter of doubt with
the Honourable Gentlemen themselves whether
the Suspension should be renewed ; First, above .4
.week since notice had been given of the intention
to move: fur the renewal. Two days after, this
notice was expressly abandoned. He asked, why
WkIS the proposition Of renewal first beought fur.
ward ? having ken brought forward,. why was

1.41,/ 11. vccn auaIIUISDCLI, Wily
was it
brought at all ? He asked whether a measure of this
kind, which was to be justified only by unavoid.
able necessity, which was htistile and danger.
ous to the vital principles of the Constitution,
should, without sufficient cause, be put upon a
country, the greater part of whose people was, as
well affeeted to the Government as the English
themselves t He conceived that this justification of 30
h4rsh a measure was particularly due to the people of
Ulster, who were particularly, remarkable fur loyalty
and attachment to the British Constitution and Bri.
tish Connexion ; but who were at the same time a
strong minded people, not likely to be satisfied
with a measure of this nature, unless sufficient cause
for it were shewn to them. He should, therefore,
conclude with moving, as an Amendment to the
Motion, the omission of the latter part of the Mo.
Lion, from the word that;' for the purpose of in.
setting these words, " that a Committee, consisting
of twenty.one Members, be funned by ballot, to
examine such documents as may be laid before them,
and to report to that House their opinion upon these
documents, whether the continuance of the Suspen.
aion of the Habeas Corpus At be a measure neces.
sary to the tranquillity of Ireland, at the present
time."

Mr. DENIS BROWNE agreed, that the greater
part of the People of Ireland were altogether as
loyal as the People of this COuntry ; but the cir.
cumstances in which Ireland stood at present were
distinti from those of. any for Mer time.. It was
not alone the machinations of Committees pf United
Irishmen sitting in Paris, that were to bk.vg,ktpre.,,
hended and guarded against, but multituds !limn
distributed along the whole Coast of the French,
Empire, prepared for invasion, communicating with,
the disaffeeted • at home, and Sending emissaries be.
fore them to excite preparations, -discontent, Ind
insurrettion among the people. Under these cir_
eumstances, it was prudent and necessary to coml.
nue the Suspension ; and not to endanger the Con..
stitution. by exposing it, with unguarded confidence,'
to the attacks of those who would take shelter be.
hind it for the purpose of destroying it. It was
well known, that hired Emissaries from France had
come to Leland with the treasonable designs of
exciting cltsaffedion, and conveying information.
His great objet in supporting the measure now pro.,
posed was to prevent these wretches from prosecut.
ing their infamous purposes.

Mr. HUTCHINSON
.deplored the . necessity
which he supposed the Government felt of proposing
so very strong a measure, without a full and pre-
vious explanation of the grounds on which it was
demanded. If the necessity was shewn, he was sure
no person would differ from them in a moment like
the present. He would not, however, refuse his
assent because the necessity was not shewn. He
wished to call the attention of Ministers to the full
consideration of the state of Ireland, as he had.
repeatedly endeavoured to do before. was,
therefore, prep-aced to give them the most ample
support they could desire ; though,there existed no
disturbance, nor apprehension of cliatra4lion,.. to:pre-
vent their looking into the whole "state and syktecri
of the country with a view to that
.gentralameliora..
lion which was so much required. It was in the
hope,,and with the design, that no local troubles,
no partial disalleaion, should call
-11177/.7CSTy 3 ....auLim,.• aora
the consideration that Ireland at large demanded
and deserved of it, that he supported this measure,
which was particularly necessary in a •tvar
present. He lamented again that it %V;IA not advin.
able to state the grounds on Which tlic reneWal of
the Suspension was asked, as they must be secrets of
State ; and when he acceded to the measure, he
hoped and trusted His Majesty's Ministers would.
turn their serious attention to the state of Ireland
at large.

Sir JOHN STUART lamented that melancholy
experience afforded ample proof of the necessity of
the Measure. He was himself the Representative of
a rCo i
tauinz as
an
dsincerelye British attached
c a
ons
tist
natni
oyn o Ireland. to
a-
sure was called for by the loyal part of the people for
protection against the machinations
of
their
the
securitydisffea anded.
It was nut now. prudent or de_
sirable to go through all the cireurniKinces .Which
rendered such a measure necessary in a Coons.
try. just freed from one Rebellion which had
succeeded to another, and in which this Bill,
Wfroeualle principal support of the loyal and well
was also 846sta:tory to have an aSSU.r.
atab.e thelt
ante frotis experience, that the poWets it gave
would not he abused. kle knew, the. Noblemanak
the head of the Irish Government, iirui had op.
portunities of seeing that he inherited from, his it-
lustrious ancestors a zealous attachment to the Con.
stitution. He had, in fait, contleded himself -in
such a manner throughout, the whole course of his
government, that there was not a man in the -Coon_
try who had not the fulleat confidence that he would
not abuse any power entrusted to him. With re-
spat to grounds to be laid by Government from the
information that had reached it,. fie-had to sad(, that
while tie was in offiee-in--trelandlas.
GENERAL), information had been given by'veisons
connetted with the disafFeCted ; and that the ex.
posing to public view the channels through ',which
this information had been obtained, would have the
elle& to deprive Government of the sources of fu.
tore discOveries, and to expose the persons who had I
made the communication to the knife of the assns.
sin. The nutnbers confined at present were hut
few ; and from the knowledge he himself bad of
some of them, they were, justly detained. If an
investigation could with: ptudence be grunted, he
had nodoubt it would 'establish the necessity for the
support and defence of the loyal.
Air. IVINDII4III rose to offer a few nlr vo.
tions upon this Motion, which it was impossible for
hhia to let pass without comment. The Honourable
Baronet had shown no necessity whatsoever
be accededlittsoeverfor
toa
proposition which could not possibly
without some reasonable ground. 'He had himself
supported the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus
on former occasions ; but he hod never supported it
without strong reason. The House ii-44 more than
once voted such a Stispension, but never Without
esxt7tignga." CHleearsghor°uuldnthbel.44solYirllyr°`ivted''%;6'or vote notoriously
without such grounds. NOw it .stimed as if ii.was
to pats as a ntattcuoreautici as a Land and. Mdit

Bill,
to be voted every Session
being said upon it. . It was extraordinary too,
that the arguments offered_ in support of the mu.
sure bore most strongly against it. The first wit
in fact the very worst that -could be thought of.
For if the existence of an Irish Committee in Paris,
or the Government here being credulous enough tc:
--believe that such a Committee existed, ws3 °" i
occasions to be sufficient grounds for suspending the
Habeas Corpus, the Suspension would continue, It,
the Hon. Baronet v.ery justly said, constantly
ing the War, and even perhaps in the time of Peace'
and the bare existence of such a Committee may
06.
nwtfahtdatelte. atpn:gimsreopluil
Empire. The
osfuTac
clo similarumims
tSuspensioniitotne c Iv,a s
not,in everyho we pat
t:
h
neded-with theta; intended, [put whator i
ttll)es; 0011
prod
isaffe4llo
and, but
their ues
Corp cvas n`'
rthat tndcyletieff:t ato'Snu(s"ii;lrPtetefivn'eln:i:ir,i°t:tinstr:litooljennii6rn-tat.gt etewl‘lilialin''ltaaartsCbr teoelaudll tile}'
wished
cessa
itution
be stopped,.and ser going, in this manner, its
hY
pedal ? 'When it was asked why this extruwalr:.
power was called for, it was answered, not 61t
"
there were disturbances in Ireland ; not that it was
o
necessary
the
better to repel invasion; hut that the.l
were Committees of United Irishmen sit ting at
anal that there were mischievous people in Ireland. J 3%
the question was not,se hat either Of these deseriPti°L
of persons wished to ; but what the others Cal°,
with them. None of those who spoke tot the M'twof
would give tip the' point of the general PP!' e
-• the people : all• contended, that the WO °lib,
the people-were loyal, but that there wete orner---
chievous persons ; • and 'so there were here in liolt
land. Bot he would ask, whether the miscitieft,o's
may, be produced by these Committees, or these'
terials, in Ireland, was such 'as to render it tortotile'
to deprive all Ireland of the Isfaheas Corpus]es.
Suspension of which maybe followed With other r'nly
sures of a stilllmore odious nature'? And the ljbe
reason Why this broad and unqualified power sit", to-
given was, that from the charader of the refs,at3
' ti
whom it was to be entrusted, it was not1:10YEil
be abused. In a free country such a 3 this wet
he
_hoped always would be, the introduetion'or.th
bitter), • power ought to be guarded against
the strictest jealousy : vast .and extraorditt:4
powers ought not to be delegated 'merely bee!
some mischievous persons were taken • nft, tm
the persons to Whom the power . was t° 110
trusted for the present were of Ognild and rnt'en,'l,4
disposition. If the Government was to be 'At•--it
with extraordinary powers, which it waf
should when the country wished it for its alvfc al
curity, it was necessary the danger shoidil.`o
such an extent as to impress on everY wins6,,i4aof
the propriety of giving such powers. It 3""" awl
'be said, that no ground should be stated, 'lest 'frost
may be danger of discovering the sour"' routs'
which the information was derived. The
which would justify the putting the CounfrY ut.uff,
Martial Law could not be of such a secret r 1,3:, to
The extent and magnitude of it must IA sue'`;et.'
if
cb
it: nsawepciar.
proposed
ptt obviatedhogis°eed'ke ibryill
t)bh, cikeyi
..ldbe iumß3lodaTdetww. esoi vtitler) ri
ja'r
Naans r
*i
nrr:sn't?wrr ;e1:;1,1
'He tecollefted alit) that an Hon. FL-tend of 111„'44,
rtviaiu irstortO Cali CH M SO (WU. 4;1
in in.ivieg the Address to His Majesty drew ',4/4:]..
flattering pidure: of. the tranquillity of Irele"'„,
Was,it not extraordinary, that without any
having happened since to do away the circa of tulo 3
White
,without .any explanation ' to render,oa
:h4
colouring alit less strong, the Representative °L
Irish Government suddenly started up, and wit
,'.lO,
assigning any reason, proposed to suspend the Dolo;
Constitution in.lreland. He agreed. with the tst
Baronet (Sir J. Nawioar); that we ought tour'-
re,
tender in granting extraordinary lowers ep. I
sped to Ireland and Scotland; not only as puvder,ica
crcised at a distance from controul and insPe'bifal
was' more,liable to be abused, but also beeause '!
was an obligation of honour and consciOusneqs
delicate in granting powers, the weight .0i tv,
e`,old.
would fall excursively on others, while 011
not touch. ourselves. The- declarations, of °n-cf,is
two Gentlemen, howeier resPeCtable, was 1);ial
ground on which the House ought Jo' he 5-111-
'of the necessity of a measure of this rultur`!,.i.4
larger justification ought to be given -for
,cof so.lar.ge a.OPnfir4idi)ni4°lLegiiisspitCuroensatni<tiuiri:inli:` ;1;1ft-it:
tit--a confidence which deserved a care a'ritlgar.,..l-;
very foreign to such monstrous f
ri The' CHANCELtOR or EXC1117001,,,1.
- rolA
•
• was destrous, tn.. e v ery that' concerne"
to- give way. to. the Gentlemen conne6ted tott ii,as
Country. .
-Bat he differed entirely from aOO,l
Gentleman
tat(TnP°;oitpios(sNiibrle. NcVasieN
commons. agree .to the Soanension of 111-e `:f 111
take
iCg,ir:taertfiei nu. dis
i-ot7n'itl:wai:htweheat.e I.sipePoe--t'cSitilis6pe—nesxil;nlon i l'oa'tai:l3
of;no
avail ;
if
it
was, rib:
wpraisr7,6lpriee
Wat
10. les sh a great pit of 1114 gurn,: 144
tiring the last .Vv-ar, rII4I d e tit 1 e 11411‘
c_orrett with hiM -depatting from. 01; '
Gentleman did not now contend that -;:jato
amm
no:.;trii4tlesinst°anttuiettrtetre:i taibrill:°. et n.el.nhaMt'ardi;ltee,7 tiFi'fFetauht6t on.
cll-111111,Tj'i: I
ttlf"ed to satisfy the min& of Gentler:tot °' tto'
ees'itY of the 111,:dsote. I titisChir'i dr 1
It was pea- •
arose wnere tne statement eras short
sei
it was
simple, that 110 statement was OPP°,l:Ski
have been made where theie vieit il: ;
doted because the Fitts were obvii.o.;Avbc":
'lll4tiOn Was laid because public nut leir 'not
all information supeiflu sus. The cif tonit.s,4ooo; 0
wliCh we were placed Stipplit'd pro,4
tion in abundance to the mind of ever,ynjise
were at War with a Power which :time" clr
(bur dash
strudion of the whole British Entrirei.,l 00',
and particularly, to ina;t a daJcily
that part of she Empire which was
ieCt first to St:VCt, anti itren to convert lr jer
'ittiiint!nt to. sink and destroy the
fabric. The first step tt)WAtirS this the
of
xi.eatruttibn Was to be the Invaii°"' ear 1
and rn t‘erials of • which were prePar-t °
on unrernittinly, and acted With

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themi --.... ,•Cf i RllO had not to' i""Teets• preteented
too, , their armies would have attempted before now
trio• to carry
their designs into execution. This, with
t wag the systematic collenion and incorporation of all
it 01. who had fl, n 1 their country fur their treasons; its
poisi being publicly declared and made known, that their
gh t,' colleCtion was connected with these designs ; the
n all avowed intention of carrying on a correspondence
g the through these agents, and the melancholy recollec-
t, at li'-'n of the repeated insutreCtions that had taken
thil• ' Place in Ireland : were all these tnattets of such
Neel light impression that no mease should a
ay II : taken on them
without precise and particular in.
part quiry. A contrary system had been aaetl on in the
ever, : - lot war with the hearty concurrence and Support
COO' of the Hon. Gentleman ; and to that system
the
:old safety and existence of Great Britain, ai well as
they Ireland, was owilny
!dirt if the
b• The Hon. Gentleman asked,
existence Of Committees of United Irish-
solo men in Paris were to be made the ground of sus-
s n'' pending the Habeas Corpus, where would the Sint-
;e: to pension end, for that in war it was likely there
by a would always he such Committees. . The question
snarl' went far to answer itself. It was not the hare exist-
ot sties of the Committees that was the ground of the
„let taspension, nor the :lumber of the disturbers, who
wete.few, s•peaking toinnarativelY
thee'
with die general
?iris, I°Yatty ; het not absolutely few ; but the great
Jar Point was, that tli,,:se %vete working and coinniuni,
cos "ling, and that their co-operation could not be too
id b , ittl(Aly watched and guarded against in a \Var like
:Ition this, He allowed
O , however, that in all wars like
It
fff n that in which we were at pre,etit engaged, where
ao he same. materials may be brought to hear on us at
vil", lonle acid abroad, the same premises would lead
E''' in the Lime conclusion, and he would net be
filigt unulanlY as CO deny that the same neces.e/3: ' sitY.,,'"Cid Ib'
pro ei ,y suggest. the !same measures.
sore s'oe ....: ,
oostortunes of the times rendered this
t, COatte tleCeStar
i i the oni„
s., •I's and sad experience proved it Was
rle3.
dio one. T Hon Gentleman should
only flien.,fore
excuse him for acting on the same prole'.
si'l I)"
' Ples on wi •
b . ucil he had formerly acted with hint, and
;o'l. inYtiwil',ich the Country had been preserved. But if
ly tl r !Wu, sun • . •
!lop,
Gentle 4 'lilted him more than another in the
~ Jr,st
, rail ~nlan's Speech, it was the extraordinary
'll.'l ' It IsAtelneut of what had been said of the state of
wile -eond Ti
tin •• le Hon. Gentleman who had made this
snarl tlJn, and those who supported it, were: assailed
!col l'•ii,b tie sanie weapon, the same clumsy dilemma,
3C'' W1(41 Wilk!) the Hon Gentleman had,been formerly
c'''
s l'or,114c111;v1len herthog tight ..with himi.a.nd which. he
eti',l greats co wit h. so much, ease, it- was said,•'-the
01. , Part off the Country was well affected f if the
it te treate . •
0, i, dial(}' of tl3O .gauntry was svellsnifreected, ...the
rhl. of , hate of the w°11:Id he of no 'avail.; if any other
0•101 on the I . coot:try was held forth, it-. was a libel
: ! ~0te,ar'r.:),;;.11,,,,v et the whole people. This was tire
hi r..Q the /.1 aP.ot, if it could he so called, with whith
diets
01...a:rabic c
fro 2"..sailed, Yentlernan had been ' himself
, f,, and which he had so easily baffled.—
,000 ' ere was „
od4 afrcOed mainly reason to hope that the
cute'dis-
-11 eis„,eli i would by this time have had their eyes
0 est„mt. that
. those who had been carried off by
a% t.„_ ItUtlOnal frenzy would have been cured of
4,jeti i b ctr nentoest . , d .
tryO eVO)Ution i , that seeing the fruits the French
,its etioneh ~ had produced, they would have got
oel ha oof that liberty which had yielded only such
,gf, nett!' prod
r, if relir,jr, tlet ; that if any, from the impulse of
hot' In. n, were
glr, Itattleo . Prompted to seek a change in the.esta.
:11. I ri It was not possible for any Catholic CD
VII ilten to 4tl
03, after the ,j,suggestion from France, on that head,
thint glop, ~,,ruck!ry the French had made of all Reli-
itilo which
tlio pairtictilarly after the late transaCtion, it:
ori 0, esnapeilede Catholic Religion had been itnpiotisly.
',.",00 ratalaii,f,cd eu consecrate anti sanciion a power,
1. by the hand that had profaned ir,
;1110 -liK 10 b i
, 'i.q ; l'hieh 1 e Hoped from dla the worse than bondage'
,tit b 14(1 been Y the ab., , Introduced by Republican fraternity,
gloss! kiip. "deltY of Jacohinisto and die avowed Des
ri" ' uf the
,!1 r!!"wherever ~. . present Government of France,
.t 0— ec'uld he cus Influence cold reach, that none
clot 'rant with
sod mad enough to seek alliance pteg-
4'llars htipoted ,80 much mischief*. But was it to be
ti. Ills o that there was no minority in a part of
1,;• - e„le •
I} e, Pitt NA, • •
~I,io
wet to i lndissolubly united, and he hoped
`,,,,,,;J wicked „4`
,separated, which was still weak and
°ll.' -nogh
lie ii,
u,
.00. Gen., to cultivate such a connexion' Did
, t ten the e,. "Man ever forget w hat he had said
no' tn. .e oisaff ci ; tieJ :14ity, r tLxcd few had talked a:, if they had a
''' jt 4 (114 by 1: , fie said they were not a majority, but
'• ' Okla ' ""ids and i ,
jl4 ,r late to ~,_ t• ainotou3 minority, wishing to
)1.0,0
)r Oed, th:"e majority ; did he not recollect he had
.01 '1(44 t "thing should prevent the pretended
iiri'lk,,,,,
iOlictatinYt.ol:l,t,ieland,whielt was really a niajority,from
, toi,Q -. ~I
nere was no one principle on which the
0 no totieman
i/ 1/ , ,(11flitt , aicd then that did not apply now.
I4ere iilb,co that 'rebind, being more distar,t, Was
.t,eill ' l't)we ' 'c to b 1 '
'' iitg ~,, rs, than „, ct le scene of an abuse of great
I f "er !tome llt those powers were to be exercised
IP° f','eat i,„ it was certain, therefore, that if
0.41' l'os'er '""a leadprevailed in the exercise I
4 ,:,u., I 41rea 3
or "'Alt t'Y granted, the House.: ought to be more
o
AlPli :"'lt if of intrustir r
re it . eisa,,
~. •i„
.them at such a distance,—
tI. stela ~, neetion existed, and, above all, if
okt ti ailir ientot
on by the F.2nenay as the means
0.0",,,g
t'i;t:kiiu:!', a'.',cl facilitating his designs to our sic.
ve'' 'Jolt . liic distanee rend' -Isafety of 1
les„. .tv be., c . ire, the
ite', .• us i
.i.„
.i,t ght t :.,"), Xtreltlely precarious, its safe.
re' Iv' ~,xt u 6.e nilre particularly provided f0r,......_
t,,s, as to toPte was I - handy . 7. I.
ii A ti., h,
~ •t ie lll WOW 1 the power
elit:::, rirs::o yil: itinrcle! di .1t was said the Lord Lictite.
1 .1, 461, !Ition . In et the inildeat. and roost humane
, !). ley s ilatu the most 46 'lit
to ,t Pies . • • .
,t, and constitutional
be. *I, ott that he was so nobody could deny.
tit, -1 34•
:t'i'trit etc rite
iii:tiyeleu.we.ver,
that this Was. n'o argument,
.rite, , t,t tnade
0.,' ••salty, tt granting the `Sospension
. il..tasitt,
,214 t• Ile agreed it was not • but if the
jl' 1,',40,,,' was established it w ' . ' '4' -•-
P,. I'4l l) er would . ' 'a a Satia.llo.l that
I,fte,.. 4 WI.
oetn Ili_
... nut be abused; and this argument
f t.A -41:, n the &se." .. he I-10n,. Gentleman, wlien he
67-: .ti,"'t tattle za-me 1141 e with him, 'embarked in the
0I; tittSt.itUtion'Zird
.:',lle - sere;pre
'6,lv :.t)si; In the tne,-fl.titt foundations of Civil SO.*
' 41, Y woe notoriet •y of the, 'principal fatis.in.
(le' rtit'Stt. irl4—Peill4GUS, and it ina.y be attended with
jot!' td. , test, as t„ „ , .
,_,
•rign3 f'' sile informants's, 0V the .fit-
tig . '"et
oh 4f !Ito I,:i err ... .. .
~,Fr .j
ii,,i' XIOn wa '. •') ) anti the links by which
, • Ar,d, .i 3 inaantrtincd with the disaffeCt.ed
tt.1...; 1,;;;;etel
(will:oilier phatirt,icuil.,te de,.," is emu
not be dr,,,
j4,i iri the 4 Ole i f, 4dtfilug ' the destruetion of the
.k e (1.._, n, wititior), He I I
o t?! tsoi,a ",tetnen to, tat , every reliance
~. rt b. cki ~. • 't) COMPOSed that. !louse ;
o / wf' i r''-rs,Ots secs '•
ilea th . • . ;Joe .;o;rll3ted with ase
G 'lves 'Ol vtlfeta mtl'he brqtt-ah;
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in question, there was a tendency. td a conilia be.
twcen duty and feeling, of the event" of which
few could be secure. For himself, and for those
who acted with him, he preferred relying on
broad reason to sheltering himself under an in-
quiry, which, though it would afford more than the
proofs required, would be inconsistent, aml probably
detrimental to the public service. With respr to
the notices given of this measure, the first was given
early, for a day some time passed, in the hope, that
though there was a great deal of prior business be.
fore the House, it would all have been gone through
in time to allow this to come forward as it was
then proposed. The delays this business had expe.
riended had occasioned the delay of this. The
possibility of calculating the precise time when
the prihr business would have passed the House,
was the reason why a day was, not fixed after.
the first postponement ; and the reason it was
brought forward now again, was, because the period
of the expiratioa of the existing Ad was so near.—
Having thus endeavoured to explain, frankly and
plainly, the grounds of the measure, and the reason
of the proceeding's' with respect to it, he trusted he
had satisfied the House of the propriety of agreeing
to the Motion, and given a sufficient answer to the
arguments of its opprinents.
Mr. WlNDifililif rose in explanation. In sup.
porting the Hon. Beronet'a amendments he by no.
means intended to assert, that he should oppose the
original measure, if, on inquiry, it should be deemed
necessary. When he said that the disaffeetion of a'
few-was immaterial provided that the majority were
loyal, he did not mean to state, that such were the
existing circumstances, but merely, that if such were
the case, the'disaffeetion of the few could not produce
many mischievous effeda unless the majority were
disaffeded.
Mr. FOXsaid, that if the Right Hon. Gentleman
was serious in the propositions laid down in his
speech, he must Say, that they contained the most
alarming principles he hail ever heard within the
walls of that House—principles far more alarming
than these in which tiis Hon. Friend near him had
concurred when ineunion with that Right Hon:
Gentleman, pot because they were of a different
natare, but because they went so far beyond them in
extent. The Right Hen. Gentleman had described
the dilemma to which he was pleased to say he had
formerly been reduced, by the arguments of those
who opposed his measure, as a clumsy one. He said,
it was asserted by them, that if the greater part of
the people be loyal, a measure calculated to repress
disloyalt,y was a libel upon such, a people ; and,
on the other hand, if the greater part be dis-
aaded, the measure would be useless. But such a
statement had never been made without some quali.
fication. N man would be absurd enough, or rather
mad enough, to deny that the truth of it depended in
a great degree upon the weight of the majority.—
And what had we been told this evening by Gentle.
men who represent Counties in Ireland ? That they
were as loyal as any county in England, Here was
a comparison made : they were not satisfied with
asserting the positive loyalty of the country, hot
insisted that it was as loyal even as England. When'
the Right Hon. Gentleman alluded to the opinioni
of his Hon. Friend, as expressed by him when in 1
Administration witle„him, he should have reeolleded
the very different situation of the country-,,sa situa.
titan which, though it did not, even then, in his
opinion, justify so strong a measure as the Stapes).
sioroof the Habeas' Corpus Aet, was certainly 'much
more perilous than the present. The Right lien.
Gentleman, in the progress of his hostilities ageinst
the liberties of his country, and with a view to per_
spade us to a Suspension of one of its greatest
defences, reminded us, that we were at war with an
Enemy who entertained the deepest designs against
our Constitution and Independence. He really did
not recolleCt, in his reading or experience, any of
our enemies whose views were not similar: We are
told that Enemy has actually a fleet in readiness to
invade Ireland: allowing this to be the fad, although
he participated in the leelingi of his Han, Friend,
who had spoken in such terms of, tenderness of Ire.
land, he could yet not help feeling as great tenderness
and attachment to Great Britain; now if this prepa.
ra:ion be a sufficient ground. to warrant the &Ten-
aion of the Habeas' Corpus in. Ireland; why not plead
it as a Sufficient ground to warrant the Suspension in
Great Britain ? • Have not the Enemy a fleet ready,
to invade this Country at present, and has not that
fleet been preparing for many months,? With re.
gard to the danger to be apprehended from their at.
tempts, there might he a variety of opinions ; some
might estimate it seriously, and others consider it
as trifling: -but the Country would recoiled, that
the Right Hon. Gentleman, in speaking of the pro.
bability of Invasion, bed expressed the strongest
orrilelion of its existence, and that the threateninga
of the Invaders had in consequence been expeded to
be carried into execution from day to day, and hem
week to week. Would the 'Right Hsm. Gentle.
man maintain, that the:Enemy were in' greater haste
to'come to Ireland ? From the sentiments that had
been that evening expressed by Gentlemen from that
Country,, and in the absence of the information
which the Hon. Baronet's Amendment was calcit.
hated to obtain, he had a right to presume, that the
prOportien of disafFeaed persons in Ireland was
small indeed, and therefore that no great additional
inducement to the Invaders existed on that ac.
count. If the principle were once laid. down,
that a state of War, accompanied (as it always
must be) by a disposition on the'part of rite Ene.
my to attack. our Independence and Constitution,
and the existence of a small number of disafFeded
persons in the country, were sufficient grounds for
suddenly suspending
,the Habeas Corpus Ad, With.
otit entering into an inquiry as to the necessity of
the measure, we might as well at once bid adieu to
the' Habeas Corpus, and with it bid adieu to the
noblest guardian of the liberties of this country.
The Right Hon: Gentleman bad maintained, that
the notoriety of existing circumstances, without any
special investigation, seat e sidficient cause fully 'to
justify the Suapension; and that when the Suspen-
sion was last 'continued, such continuation had been
acceded to on tither ground t indeed he had al.
most hazarded the assertion, that such would 'ever
have been censidered a sufficient ground. During
the 'Reigns of Queen Ann, and of George the
lyrs4.and George. the •Second,' only three Suspen-
s;;.ss of the Habeas Corpus ha Itod taken place,

as-
Ose had not been alleitVed untii.e stria examine-
•tion of the circumstances that called for them had
been entered into, and were then only permitted to
continue foiaa very shOrt time ; and yet-Was there
a war froM the Revolution- to the Treaty-of Aix.
la-Chapelle, in which the Enemy had made repeated
attempts to subvert the Constitution of Great
Britain, and to dethrone the Princes of the Bruns-
wick line. Soon after the commencement of the
late War with France, the Right Honoura-
ble Gentleman had intimated the necessity of
having recourse •to a measure. of this sort, in
order to repress the growing spirit of discontent
and turbulence. In every speech from the Trea.
sury Bench, the danger which attended the rapid
progress of the innovating principles of French De-
mocracy was loudly proclaimed ; but notorious as
they asserted it to be, the Administration did not
venture, on the ground of that notoriety, to propose
the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus AA, without-
previously referring the subjed to the investigation
of a Committee of Inquiry. Even the Right Hon.
Gentleman him Self, who certainly did not see the
notoriety less acutely that his Colleagues in office,
advised the House nut to go upon vague grounds,
nor trust to general descriptions of danger, but to
submit the evidence of the existing circumstances of
the Country to the serious examination of a Corn.
mince of Inquiry.• A Committee was accordingly
instituted, who made a Report (it was not neces.
sa'ry for him to state just now, whether or not in con-
formity td his otainioo) recommending the Suspension
of the Helical Corpus At as a necessary measure
at that critical jundure. It may be said, that
when the continuation of the Suspension was deter.
mined on by that House, no Committee was ap.
pointed to investigate the necessity of such a step,
but that the House proceeded on the general know.
ledge which they possessed of the stated the Coon.
try. He did not contend for the excellence of this
precedent. He then considered, and he still consi.
tiered it, as pregnant with danger to the Constitution;
but in estimating the charader of that proceeding, it
ought nut. to be forgotten, that it was instigated on
the spur of the occasion,and at a time when the delay
of a day was,asserted to be replete with danger.—
When; at that time, it was asked, what were the
causes that required such a strong measure to be
adopted with so much. precipitation ? and when it
was demanded that a Committee should be ap.
Isottited to inquire into the sufficiency of those
causes, the answer was, that the necessity had be.
come so urgent that not a moment ought to be lost,
and that the achy -which the investigation by a
Committee must necessarily occasion, Would be at.
tended with the most imminent peril to the Country.
Not being preseric at the time, he only reported the
proceedings as they, were related to him. On these
grounds the 'Suspension was reluctantly acquia
esced in, with a full confidence that, 'es-hen a pro.
per time came for examination, the causes:which'
induced Government to press it thps strongly, would
be amply detailed. This 'detail, however, had
never been afforded. -Since that period eighteen
months had elapsed. In the beginning of the pre.
sent Session 'an Honourable Gsntleman had given
notice of mntiorr for the continuance of the Sus-
pension of the Habeas Corpoe and of Martial Law
in Ireland. Soonafter this notice Wei given up on
account of the pressure of public business. The
latter part of therintentled Motion would, he hoped,
never he again introduced ; but even of the former
part, how could any, one suppose, that when three
weeks before the expiration of the present Bill for
the Suspension, the notice for moving a continuation
of it was apparently abandoned, it would be again
suddenly taken up a fortnight before the expira.
tion, and pushed forward svidt so mach indecent
haste! It would be better to pass one short ACt to
allow the Executive' Government to suspend she
Habeas Corpus whenever they in their wisdom
might think it expedient. so to do. They might
then come down and tell the Members of that [louse,
of give up your funCtionsa we have no 'further oc.
cation for you I" He must not be understood to
mean that the Suspension of the fiabeai Corpus
was never necessary ; it may be necessary,
but it can only be necessary for a short time,
and it is always liable to great abuse, On
what had been: stated by an Hon. Gentleman with
regard to the eliarader of the present Lord Lieu.
tenant o,f Ireland, he was sure he need make few
observations,' The Right Honourable CHA NC e
of the ExcorQueit had indeed allowed, that the
virtue of any men could not obe urged as a rea-
son for giving thim. unlimited power, but merely,
in the necessity of giving him that.. power,-
as a consolatory assurance that :he would "not allure
it, It was a common and welt known theory in po.
Ii tics, that the strongest cove:111)=c is best if the
power vested in that .Government be not-abused.
It certainly was not his opinion, but it had been
thought by-many, that the moat absolute and despot
tic Monerchy would be much .superior- to any.
.other :tenon. of Government were the charaCter of
:rate Monarch himself completely virtuous, We
were, heweeer, it seemed, to tolerate this tranfer
of :rlatost.unlimited power in 'the epreSent. instance,
not alone because the possessor was yietuous, but
also because it was convenient. The Constitutionr
'says, " dread abuse." It attends not to the
charader of the person to whom ahto power of
,committing it is given, and for this plain reason-ae
(Mr. Fox here deprecated any intention of insi.
euating observations derogatory from the cha.
react- of the present Lord LientenantogainSe whom,
notwithstanding, lie certainly had some cause
for cmplaint.) If the measure he Hghte if it be
npecessary to trust, confidence must he placed ; but
placed not on account Of the virtue of the person so
trusted, hut on account of the necessity of the con.
fidence. If the measure be not eight, if it in.:
velvet in it an' investment of power, the abuse
of which is dreaded, and which necessity does
not demand, trust no one, nut even Lord Haan-
The dread oft abuse ought not to Ili
conlieded
.with any opinion of personal charader,
but with the cumstanees of the cffice. 'if the
Right Hon. Gentleonan persisted in carrying .for.
ward this Bill, he,wished he would have the good.
nees to inform th; Houses when its Operation- Was'
intended to cease He did not rano the date of
the ekniretion, but under wbat citCumnances it
soould-he deemed ruiteit to -dispense with its eon.,
tiaueoce, Was ir iikeiy 19 ccaie What thc-pre.

•
sent czar with Fiotnee ?—Were he to irtr.7,l:: efe, e„-
pion on the subject, he shrld l'oink it
likely that, insteadpiceOatingeiti Ireland, it senali
be extended to Great.,Yriteiel. The charetter ;,;.et
views ef France would probably not undergo any
sudden or
,material change ; 'and what better test
Could be given of the tranoillity of Ireland, than
.the assurances which the House had thet evening
heard from the lips of several of the most re.
pettable Representatives of that country. And yet
it was to these two circumstances, the hostility
of France, and the disaffedion of Ireland, that
the Right Hon. Gentleman attributed the neees.
sity for the Suspension of the Habeas Corpus
Act. It had been asserted, as a collateral reason
for-continuing the Suspension, that the Enemy kept
up a constant correspondence with the disaff'!Oed in
Ireland, and that a Committee was established in
Paris for the express purpose of giving facility to
their communications. If by these means the
French find that they can deprive :the Irish of their,
privileges and their liberties, we shall not mom
hear of the dissolution of this Committee. Intre...
turn for the fears which he had expressed lest
the Suspension might be extended to Great Bri_
taro, he might perhaps be told, that he need be ue.
der no apprehensions on that head; but was it not
evident, was it not a degrading truth, that we de
pended for our liberties solely upon the gobd opi-
nion that a IVlinister Might happen to entertain
at the moment of the elisposition of the majoritr
of the people? Jr has been asserted, that the
power delegated . to the Irish GOvernmenteahad
not been abused,' Some fans, had 'come to his
knowledge from which a contrary inference might
be draWn; but he would not et present dwell upon'
this subjett Were the Amendment proposed by the
Hon. Baronet acceded to, the, House might; perhaps,
he put in postession of better and more extensive
information. One case, however, he would beg
leave to mention, which was Abet of Mr. Todd,
Jones, who, he understood, oh. mere suspicion, bad
been immured for.l6.(tionths loathsinne dungeon,
a punishment which must be considered as severe"
Were it inflieled.on the, convittod perpetrator of a
crime. He believed there were other instances of a
similar description. 'He knew that in the'natore of
things it was impossildeesuo enormities should not
occur e allowing *to as. fulf`an extent as could be
desired, the virtue.of the Lord Lieutermant, and
of the Secretary, still, where ebsolute power was
possessed, there may be some inelivials, in ettbordi.
nate Official Situations, who might' be guilty of
aOs, the recital of which would make their'supe_
riors shudder. Mr. Fox concluded, by earnestly
hoping, that the House would not agree to the
proposed continuation of the Suspension, of the
Habeai Corpus AO "in Ireland without the, most
clear and unevivocal- proof of the -absolute. ne.
cessity. for such aetneasure, ;and. without demon..
strating, to the satisfaelion of the people of both
countries, that they were determined not tamely to
surrender their liberties into the. hands of Govern..,
ment, without cause, Without inquiry, and without
hesitation. '
Sir EVAN NEPEAN insl merely to correel
error into which the fforre Gentleman had been he.
frayed in speaking of the treatment received by
Mr. Todd Jones. He was also informed,- that the;
usage Me. jones-hed experieneed was by no means
severe, or itt any reeved otherwise theta what' it
ought to have been.'
Mr. FO„ understood he had been treated with
'Audi harshneis and severity.
Lord DE B AO UIERE observed, - that the •
E.-Too. Gentleman,who had just set dowu had given
ro the sentiments of his non. Feiteed, on the present
State of Ireland, a ceastrt4.2o which they would: '
not fairly bear. They had never asserted; that th'e
whole of :Ireland was as loyal is the. whole of 'Erg.
land, hut that certain Provinces. were 50... Uister,
l'or instance, the' inhabitents'of which- were certain-
ly as well disposed to :the existing Government as;
those of any County in England whatever.. The
Honourable Gentleman had. allueled to whist he wa's,
pleased to team the precipitation with which, the,
Bill for Suspending the Habeas Corpus .Act
land was carried through Parliament in July. ii;o3,,s
Ile would just recall the. atteneien, or; the House- toe-
time cireumatances of the time. Antecedently toe—
that period, application had been made to Govern..a • •
ment, requesting, for the security of the well.
affsCted, that a Suspension of the Habeas Corpus.
might be procured ; but the Ministry, aduated by
motives of delicacy, not aware of the extent of the
danger, anti anxious to infringe the .libertiesegehe.
Subjet as little as possible, refused their vonour-
fence. What followed The -Rebellion', An the
mean eimeo the GOveroment having become.sensie.
ble of the necessity of the measure, brought forword
the-Suspension:of the Habeas Cerpus
.and
tained for it the sanetiott Ot Perliatneht, with a
xtalotts exertion for which they- were entitled to
`rifle oaloa.e9c.eeery :Friand"of ; rid it
wets In"? Het was convioeef.l, and h is eso -
be the firm opinion of many 'Gtintlemen iwituately,
aequainted -with Ole internal pDlitic3 of thAt COOO-
- that. had, the. Stispensihn taken pi tee' 0011 CT..
:the Rebellion .Woultenever have burst firth. It
was infinitely better to present pilt than to pu.
rash it. He was desirous, by rep': theorea.—
sonable attempts of theeturbelent a, d faction;
of the ComMunity in:lreland, to secetre to the lel al •
sand well.effetaed the enjoy Of tit hap.
piness.

Mr. SHERIDAN" ex.lkined the IT4Silstli
induced hits to vote for ,cll
~4
Suspension of the Flheas Corpus A in
it v July,- 1803. ' The urgency of the occo,lioo, built
as stated in His is4stjzsiyis lviess3l;,l- to the fllnsey
and as evident in itstif, was his only trttytivr, for (L.).
ir.g so .wirhout detront.lir.g a pre-vious
Inquiry.

Mr. ALEXANDER was surprised that .any
Gentleman sh„,.)oki assert, that there exi•-itcd n c,:lut,e
in Ireland for the Suspension of .r c: Habeas Corp.us
'Mt. He bled that in. the North of Leland,,
the people were,'in general„ loyal ; hut
still lurked 41,1,10 Pg them; and if not kept down by
the strong hand o power, would soArt brec-itycloo
formidable for opposition. An-111n. Gentleman had
alluded to the period of Irish History,. during the
reigns of tile 12tlier Princes of the Bru:wick
when t 4 Suspension of the Habeas Core.
pi Mt firs took place, and had comparca thAt