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'l.ed tr.- duty to deliver them up to the County.
rm tier which the Militia of Ireland had been
to serve, was four years, as appeared by
At (which he then read), and till this period
rii-).• as expired, these men could not be freed from
,their 'These observations, he said,
ju— <fi, 0 him in moving, "'That an humble Ad.
dress be presented to Iris Majesty, humbly re_
questing that His IVlajesty would be pleased to order
that there he laid betore the House a Copy 'of the
Orders issued from the Adjutant-General of Ire.
land's Office on the igth of May last, and also a
Copy of the Circular Letter of the sth of May,
alluded to in those orders."

Mr. LEIGH expressed his surprize at the re.
fiedions which had been thrown out on the subject
of the present Motion. In his opinion, the Order
moved for was one of the best and wisest
that had ever been issued. It was to be recollected,
that the English and Irish Militia were raised upon.
at very different plan. In England, they were raised
by ballot, whereas in Ireland the Militia were en.
listed in the same manner as the Troops of the Line
in England. In the Act of 1 797 there was an ex.
press clause to authorize the issuing of money for
enlisting the Irish Militia. The term of their
services, therefore, must depend entirely upon
the. engagements into which they entered upon
being enlisted. These had been .of two kinds ;
as the first oath administered to those enlisted
in the Irish Militia, required their services for
four years ; in the room of which had been after-
wards substituted the condition of serving`for four
years, or till the end of the war. A great propor-
tion had been inlisted under the last oath ; and all
ivho bad been so, believed that the conclusion of the
war, and the term of their services was to be the
same. Though this idea was not jestified 'by the
oath, yet respectwas to be had even to the mistaken
opinions of those who enlisted, under circumstances
in which they' were so apt to be misled. It was
well known what practices were resorted to by Re.
Bruiting Parties, and that almost every man was
colisted in a state of intoxication, and without
knowing what he was' about. The general
pressicm which was held by the Militia, was,
that as *they were enlisted in the same manner as
the Regulars, they were also subjected to the
same conditions, and were like them entitled,
to be discharged on the conclusion of the War.—
When, therefore, the Executive Government were
both Party and Judge, it certainly was most expe.
dienf for it to decide in favour of the Militia, who
formed the other Party. It was no wonder if those
enrolled under them did not comprehend the Militia
laws ; they were the most confused mass ever
seen, and were perplexed to such a degree that it
was in contemplation next Session to do them away
completely, and substitute a new Law in their room.
From these circumstances it did not appear that
any better measure than that adopted cou'CA have
been pursqed, as the Militia
,who had taken the
second oath would,not otherwise suppose that strict
justice had been done them.

Mr. WIC /rifilki said, that he by no means
intended to make any opposition to the present
Motion ; he only rose to state that the information
required on the.subjeCt had this day been received,
and that to-morrow he should be direned to las'
officially before the House the Papers which had
been moved for. On this account he shOuld enter
into no discussion on theroat present. He should
only observe, that the Orders complained of had not
been issued without mature deliberation, and with:
out consulting the highest Authorities with regard
to those matters in that country.. He would there.
fore conclude with submitting to the Right Hon.
Mover, if it would not be as desirable that the
Papers should be produced in the manner he iotend-
ed to bring them forward to-morrow.
Mr. DAWSON ob3erved, that he could find no
way of reconciling the orders which had been issued
with the rights.of the Counties who supplied the
Militia, It was evident that the place of those
who enlisted in the Regulars, must be supplied ;
be, therefore, called upon Ministers to chew, how
Substitutes were to be provided for those discharged
in consequence of the, present Orders, without
throwing the burthen on his Constituents.
Mr. LEIGH in., explanation said, it was ex-
pressly provided. by the Militia Ads, that where
the Counties gave money, instead of providing
men, they were thenceforth exonerated froth any
further charge under the same Aft.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said, it Was no wonder much "confitsion had arisen
in, Ireland with regard to the Militia, an institu.
tint., so recent in that Country. It was only in-
troduced ,in 1793, and the At then passed had
been framed With so little skill, that it' had been
found necessary to pass successively no less than
seveo other MIS, amend and explain it. These
various. Atss .provided a variety of items, from
which the Militia was to be made up, and different
'oaths to betaken by the different descriptions of
persons tube enlisted. It would appear thatClov ern.
went had taken the very best measures. to obviate
the confusion arising from these 'complicated APIs,
in complying with the impression' universally en-
tertained by those serving in the Militia, that they
were. legally entitled t 6 their discharge on the eon.
cluSion at the War. .A different condua would
have appeared. like. :taking an undue advantage
cif o.w), 41-,d of pranising a chicane- unworthy of
Oivernment. The, present MotiOn. was, in 114
opinion, unnecessary, as.the Papers called for WVfie
to be 'laid lief Ore the House tomorrow by a Mes-
sager from• His Majesty ; at the spine time, he uo-
derstnod, •that his Hon. Frita intended to make
two MOtions—the one to explain the Militia Acts,
and the -other to indemnify the Coilnties for those
discharged by the („).rders in qUestion.'
Gel/041G ASCOrAt adverta to what had been
tsaid rififeaing the s idlers bet tg dYLIIik at the time
of their being enli4(6l. 'lbis he said could not be
the cast, ai it, was expressly provided by the Law
that no soidiet could be attested in a state of

toxication,
Mr. LElGH:said, he by no means denied its
illeg:;lity, he only stated a WI%
Cohn:////1611/ELL stated, that in the Regiment
which he had the honour to command, almost every
than had been enlisted to serve during the War and
two months after ; indeed the difficulty of recruit.
,rifie those employed in that service willing to

enlist men almost on any conditions they would,
assent to. The orders given by Government on
disbanding the Militia had been 'extremely distina ;
it was commanded to discharge those .entitled; to
their discharge, and to dismiss the zest. Now that
this had taken place it would he: impossible ,to
call the Orders issued, without occasioning the
utmost, discontent.
Mr. FOSTER said, he.was sorry from what had
been stated, to find that the orders issued by' Go
vernment were not properly complied with by the
Governors and Deputy-Governors:of Counties. For
his own part, he knew and could affirm, that in
Ltswth, the County which he represented, and in
other Counties also, the Militia Mein, had been en.
listed under the second oath, and who had distinaly
been engaged to serve for four years, or till the
conclusion of the War. For his Own, part, he dis-
claimed being aduated,by any captious or Party
motive in the present affair ; he only did what he
conceived his duty requirea of,him ; he had everi
the approbation of the Right Hon. Gentleman be..
low him to the 'present Motion, and therefore'he
had not expe&ed any opposition.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER said,
he did not intend to oppose the Motion ;' he only
meant to suggest that the method in which it was
intended to produce the Papers tomorrow, vas cer-
tainly more proper and desirable ; and as he con.
ceived that it was but conformable to propriety to
allow His Majesty an opportunity :of granting in-
formation in the usual way, if the Present:Motion
was persisted: In, 'he should feel himself bound to
oppose it by the previous question ; at the same
time reminding the House that the Papers called
or, should certainly be laid before them tomorrow,
r,hQugh in a different form.
My, FOSTER said, it was the Papers he desired
to have.; as to die form of presenting thenthe was
indifferent, he had therefOre no objection to with.
draw his Motion,which he did accordingly.

Mr. WictotArd gave notice, that to-mo—riow he
should move 4 weasute to explain the several Mi-
litia Aets of Leland, and also to indemnify the
Counties forlsuelv.pf their Militia.as had been dis-
charged by the order.of GoVernment.
The SREAKElt'gave notice, that as there now
reinained very little private business before the
House, be should, •for the future, take the Chair
for the dispatch of poblic business exactly at three,
if the attendance of Gentlemen at that hour should
allow him to do so: