The Sun.
London, England, 1833-04-19 00:00:00

GRAND JUNCTION RAIL-ROAD.

On tl,e m,,tion of Lora Aurtioup, the Bul to extend
the railway from Warrin,,,ton to Newton to Birmingham,
wereMembersCommitteebeenofinquirewhat

the amount of the salaries; it had, however, Leen found
that the Committee had no means of obtaining the in-
formation from the Member' of the House of Peen, and,
therefore be would move that so much of the order a. re..
lated to the Members of the Upper Rowe be discharged.
He took this opportunity of stating that, there were still
120 Members of the House of Commons who had not
attended before the Committee, although they bad been
waiting ten days, and he hoped the present notice
would he sufficient to induce those Hun. Alembas to
furnish the requisite information.
The part of the order relating to the House of Lores
was then discharged.
At the reques of Lord ALTHORP, Mr. BUCKINGHAM
on.tpnned his motion relative to the erection of a IHW
House of Commons to the 9th May.

NEW BEER SHOPS.
The Marquis of CHANDOS rose to call the attention
of the House to the subject on which be had given nt tic,e
of a motion—he meant the beer boom*: His object in
:noving for a committee on that subject was, not for
the purpose of doing away with them altogether;
on the contrary, he wished to place them on a
• otter footing, more properly to regulate them, and
betel)), to afford better accommodation to the public.
There were at present not less than 26,000 beer, ext lu-
sively of ale, houses in England, and he believed a great deal
..f pauperism in the country arose from their multiplicity;
hey were chidly attended by paupers, who, in their turn,
invited others, who spent all their resources in ker.,
and ultimately became great burthens to the paris'
(Hear, hear.) The licences were, granted, too, with.

~ut any inquiry into the respectability of cliarae-
:-r or circumstances of these who occupied het:.
s7:ops. He wished to see the tenants of heir houses as the
ccupiers of ale-houses, soil he hoped that while better
order was secured in the management of the beer shops,
more wholesome beverage would he given to the
public.—(Hear.) One great evil of the present system
vas, that Magistrates had not a sufficient contra

ever the beer shops, and his proposal was to
place them on a different footing, and subject them
to better and stricter regulations. He wished the persons
who obtained a beer license to he, in all cases, rate-payers
~1 the p wish. At present such was not the case. The
Noble Marquis then moved the appointment of a Com-
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alterations in the law-as should be deemed expedient, with
a view to the better regulation of the same.
Col. WOOD seconded the motion:
Col. WILLIAMS also approved of its object, but gave
it as his opinion that the beer ships ought to be entirely
lone away with. He considered them the most fruitful
.(mree4 of crime at present existing in this country.
The SPEAKER then put the question.
Lord ALT HORP said, as far as he and Government
were concerned, so far from objecting to the appointm.
4 a committee, they were favourable to the inquiry. lie
was glad to find the Noble Lnrd did not go the
length of the Honourable M..mber for Ashton, and
ti at he did not mean to do away altogether with the
xistence of the beer shops. He (Lord Althorp) was per-
fectly ready to admit that they required further regulation
:hen they had at present; at all events, they should be
oleced under the same restrictions as the public-houses,
and at the same time the police of those houses required
great alteration and improvement. He was also of
opi-
uiun that stricter inquiries than at present should be itt-
etituted ; licenses were granted as to the respectability-
ef the applican's. Upon the whole, he expected some
valuable suggestions from the Committee, especially as it
was moved for on the principle that they should not be
done away with altogether.
Mr. WARBURTON was happy that the Committee
had been appointed. At all events the sane hews of re-
.triction should regulate the beer shops as regulated the
public houses. It was alleged in that petition that the
man had been fined for letting his own son drink in the
house an hour after the time limited by law; sod it was
said the Magistrate who fined bim declared that the
relationship of the seller and drinker was nonsense,
for if the seller himself had been found thinking
after the limited hour, he (the Magistrate) would have
fined him.—(Hear, and laughter.) It was a subject
well deserving of a committee of inquiry. He believed
It would be found that the beer sohl at these houses was

I as adulterated than that of public-house..
Mr. HUNIE considered the subject tube one which the
public mind wsa much divided upon, and one des rving
the fullest consideration. He himself thought tuat
beer-houses should be extended, and not limited; and
he should he able to prove to the Committee, that the
quality of the beer had improved iu consequence of those
,leer houses.—(Cries of " No," and hear.) He woutit
maintain in the Committee that it had improved les
quality, and been reduced in price.—(Cries of ‘• No, no,"
and hear.) However, the Committee would ',afford the
means of the fullest inquiry.
Mr. BARING differed in opinion with the Hun. Mem-,
her fur Middlesex, whose ideas, although very well ail-
plied to the metropolis were of no use as applied to the
rural districts.

Mr. PRYME spoke in favour of the present system.

An Hort. Maxima suegested that the inquiry should
extended to all public-houses.
The question was then put, agreed to, and the CUM-
Inivee appointed.
A mess .ge from the Lords announced that their Lord-
ships had agreed to the Mutiny Bill without amendments.

COMMUTATION OF TITHES.

Lord ALTHORP said—ln "rising to submit to the
House a proposition for the commutation of tithes,
/ do not apprehend that it will be necessary for me
king to detain the House, especially in prefatory ob-
servations. The principal duty I conceive to be imposed
upon me is, to detail the principles upon which the plan
lam about to submit to the House is framed. It is of
great importance that such a measure as this
should not only be substantially just between the
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go on with this question at all, I think it very desirable that
I should disabuse the House and the public with rtspect to
of England. nignlcaonmd.e
Tvlatswnaisnaessmumilleidon:npear recent
annum .occNas
there a grosser exaggeration. The incomes of tt,,i,„
Bishops. including the Bishop of Sodor and Man„ wile
only 158 527; and at the deans and chapters, WOOS&
I am not able to st -,te 60 particularly the ;mount of
the incomes of the parochial cL rey, because all the
returns have not been made, but I calculate it to be.
very little more than three millions. The whole ton
gett:er, therefore, amounts to very little more than,
three millions and a half, instead of ail*
millions.—(Hear.) The manner in which I him. caleec,
lilted the amount of the income of the parochial clergy is
Ors :—We have the returns from 9,660 benefices, She total.
number of which is 11,400. The amount of the incomo
of these 9,660 is 2,769.779/. ; so that, supposing shosc.
from which the returns were not made were in tb,e tame
purportion, which there is no reason to believe. they art,
teet, the total amount of income for 11,40,0, would bass
3,250,000/. If this were divided among the whole of the
clergy, the average income of each would be 2851., and if the:
prebendaries, deaneries, and chapelriea were net counted in,
3001. for each of the parochial clergy. The clergy are
otfferently situated in this country with regard to the re-
ligion of the people than they are in Ireland, and all wt,p,
have looked at this question either in a pot4ip4
or moral point of view, and have seen the misfuetuate off'
not having a resident clergyman in each peeieli, wiVi
acknowledge that this sum is not large for the atteintiaeut
of such an object. I now come to the manner in which
the revenue of the clergy is levied. Whatever authorita;
may exist for the present practice, we are bouA.,4,
in looking at it in a legislative point of view, to. ;0,47-
hider vr, ether it be not productive e' great dieadearatagea
not merely to the payers of tithes, but to their receiatere,
the clergy, particularly in destroying tphaastse
fellowship which.- ught to exist between the clergy and
their parishioners. This has been 11. e view of the Legis-
lature for a great tattooer of years, bec.use there balk
strtnrecselyhabveeennoat singleben commuted. It 13th passed
It has been t. It to
be so desirable for the interests both of the Church
and the people, that such a course has been a opted
in almost every ieclostire bill, although in several pat ishes
where inclosui es have taken pace, in earl times,
tithes still continue ta be paid iti lund, and although in
many instances neither side have felt any great incon-
venience—( Hear, hear, hear)—yet, in the metority of
instances whenever disputes have takes place, the
taking of tithes in kind has been productive of very
great inconvenience. As I said !Time, nothine c"
tie more advantageous to a parish than a resident
el; reymati—(Hear, hear)—but at the same time, a is
riecebsary to have a resident clergyman on 50141 t rani w;th
his parishieners—( Hear)—and to provide Jur the eler,y ore
Ebel al terms would remove mail diffieulti.s. Having etas •
these observations, in which I !eel neat I have the entire
conturn ore of the House, aiond.urbieui4eviTgi.":it.iti,dtvh:lee,
House will go along Will . , I
in introduce a commutation of tit •-ev, wit. why
proceed to
state to the Hour. the pr,neiples fill
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show that the object of the measure as nut .1, tak a at. e