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rash, and displayed :hat in inklzhing tbein to pass that
resolution, the effect of which was to throw the measure
back which he was desirous to advance. They said they
Were acting on a scrupulous acquiescence with the law.
Did were they always so anxious to do so?
L'id not the Noble Lord consider that the people of this
country would attach much blame to him, particularly when
hia own constituents consider that they are wronged by not
havirg their due number of representatives? And also when
the intelligent constituents of Greenwich are labouring under
a similar disadvantage. He would ask, has not two branches
of the Legislature approved of such a measure, he meant the
'Queen and this House?— (Cries of " Order, order.") Yes,
be said that the Noble Lord (Lord John Rusaell), as First
Minister of the Crown, had always approved of the admis-
sion of members of the Jewish persuasion who had been
fairly elected. But he regretted to say that a third branch
Marred the efforts of the other branches. He also disap-
proved of the oaths taken by Members, for such oaths never
tended to increase the allegiance of the people in their
attachment to the Throne and their respect for the laws.
He therefore hoped that the Noble Lord would, ere long,
remove such useless and unnecessary oaths as those taken
by Members of the House. —(Haar, hear.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE—He thought that the House should
look to the manner of the Jewish aggressien.—(Hear, hear.)
Yea; did not Alderman Salomons arrogate to himself the
right to occupy the seat he now holds 7 Can there be any
rer in this House when his very first act was a violation
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of or ? How co
eedings Isere the S
connived at, the order of the
°use ider f such procor in the least
sanctioned ?—(Hear, hear.)
-e.llll.- J. EVANS thought it unjust and injudicious that the
ftouse of Commons should set itself in opposition to two very
!arge coostitueneies—namely, the city of London and the
° o crouch of Greenwith. Was it not well known that the city
r
2f London has been far the last four years deprived of one-
of of its representatives? And how long, he would ask,
Was such to be tolerated ?—(Hear, hear.) He had to corn-
rain of the inconsistency of the House of Commons in its
aecision relative to Baron Rothschild, while the same House
,Inaitted Mr. Pease, without taking any oath whatever.
11-43 entertained not the shadow of a doubt that the opinion
Ot- the Solicitor-General was perfectly right when he said
plat such a mode adopted towards any Member—when it
hit a the
let force of binding the conscience of the individual,
oath proposed by Alderman Salomons—would he
quite oath
He admitted that there was a difference of
En on between the Attorney and the Solicitor-General, and
for_a that reason he thought that the difference should be ar-
ranged in a court of law, and not in that House.—(Hear,
e. 4 .) He also considered that a native Jew was as much
privileged to have a seat in the House as any other subject.
_colon THOMPSON must take the liberty to ask whe-
el_ the framer of this oath of abjuration had anything
rivoecslidlri...ianzavtiojeetawrw,than to bind the consciences of all subjects to
In 111. instead of James II.; but it could not be
eatelrle4 aislieairn.t)ended against the Jews, either then or
WDER said the real question the House was
urion to decide was, whether tbe Hon urable
theof t Greenwich had taken the oath of abjuration in terms
as
jud statute. In deciding that question they must do so
g,esl but he thought, from the manner in which this
verv-sts:T had been carried on, that they had not adhered
that tfinctlY to that rule.—(Hear, hear.) He was sorry
h for one in the House disagreed on the subject, but
:P_ he one was of opinion that the Hon. Member for Green-
ah had not taken the oath of 3bjuration, as requited by
121'.1 Act of Parliament.— (Hear.) He was, moreover, of opi-
°,ll that the Honourable Member for Abiugdon had taken a
the
view of the subject when he said that the words " on
tby oe true faith of a Christian" could not be omitted, except
1;1 Act of Parliament. This was evidently the intention of
thesActs of Parliament passed upon the subject, and he did
es in the present case how they could get over it. But
po.'? was, besides this, a decision of their own precisely in
acild2`, and how were they to get over that?' It had been
that there was nothing in the precise language of the
Wolution of last session which could exclude the Honourable
r_a_rnber for Greenwich from taking his seat, but that reso-
treotpassed under exactly the same circumstances as
sese now under the consideration of the House. and was
erefore applicable to the case. He was not supporting the
°atLof abjuration as being reasonable at the present day,
but he said this, that they could not get it dispensed with,
except
they passed an Act of Parliament for the purpose cf
repealing it ; and until that was done they must abide by it.
of MLTNTZ had always voted in favour of the admission
Jews into Parliament, because when he saw them ad-
reitted into all municipal offices he did not see the consist-
;2_7 in keeping them out of Parliament. The resolution of
,t7sn session could not stand as it was, unless they admitted
ssae 'e Jews into Parliamettherefore he
is vote i would, as he
done on all former ocncasions, give his favour of
the done
of the Jews.
u Mr. WAWN also supported the motion amid loud cries of
Ivide," amidst which
Was desirous
A. SMITH rose and said that it seemed the House
, desirous of deciding on the subject; he was authorised
!?trt ate, on behalf of the Honourable Member for Greenwich,
that although he had, in virtue of what he considered his
right, taken his seat in that House, he would not vote on the
Present question, being one which was so personal to him-
self. He, however, refrained from doing so, simply on that
Wgrhoitienhd,heapondssewssietdhout relinishing any of the privileges
h_esa.
er. The Hon. MemberMaesmbaerwould,
that
House.—(
oowu s e.—
that( Hear,ai
2 ten was to take place, withdraw, protesting, at the same
time, that he was still a Member of the House.
iZAlderman SALOMONS then bowed to the Speaker, and
elllesw amidst considerable laughter from the Opposition
Foratsheethamenend
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dirmideendt, when there appeared--
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The a Majority ." --- - testinteadosent was consequently lost.
Speah,-,6 our absence from the gallery, we understand the
noniei...vr, Rilt the resolution proposed b Lord John
draw.' 04t the Hon. Member for Greenwichy shoutldhat with-
gun.thes.."hen th doors were opened we observed
jikerim 8 W
nd eer -
for Greenwich was not in his place, and we
4boto(l):::l4lheeaal.l,Be:Bl:dhSeeryl:Yei addressing the House, amidst loud cries of
Ile ' :'-'"';" and other unmistakable symptoms of impatienecae.r
re there to try a solemn question—to
resh .
Or iiicon- O, an important question, and not to decide illy
Y, when the effect of that decision weli.i!Llbe
deprive an Hon. Member of his seat.
th. 5,,.• sal an
here entered the House, and walked
.by
06,"!5-47nituiterial benches. He was received with lou i cries
differe hdraw, withdraw !" but he treated them with in-
lalisten, nee, and continued proceeding towards his seat.
little The
cse„„tlP4tinn continued for some moments, and was
-htoose et:it.,h7 the Hon. Member, contrary to
Athbeetrueyleasabodf the
wSpeat., lug up his poson betwee
ti.,....ers This led to cries of " Order," and " Withdraw."
utt
cr the Ron. Member discovered his
hettlvrn between the Master of i satbadk eilihne
m quietly,c el.
careen . the bßisollms
for aT t Y was happy to find that the
(Hoohn.
eAhle,m
and
tris:fich had retuissed to his
Its_l,°,! " Withdraw.") He thought the Hon'.
the .11,
duty of
th:fi,di Yielding to extreme delicacy—(Laughter)—Mbemefobreer
WTT_ question was put. He thought it was the
iiseil'uli• Gentleman to suppress all feeling onbe
dtheeeidperde,sefenrt
If the 11' On which the fate of his seat was to
the °use had the power to order him to withdraw,. it had
irietwer to unseat him, and to order a new wr.diterfohrGe
creeemn.-
Deteo Fie should on the present question consider NacY, and sit there and vo-e, and leave the querseteiofneetlo.
kee..2,..sh_n• whether by reason of intolerance, or
toler 'ur hQ called concession to intolerance worsweothan!n-
a. . ance itself—but contributed to swell the majorityw _
thath*
'l4 the „I'll. The question before the House now__e(mara.
dtliste.,‘ 'lon. Member be ordered to withdraw. H
tiot, ') had to ask the House, when they carried thatmo-
spithdWhether it was intended that the Hon. 11Iember. shouldt_
that for the Hon.
thetirathw4ftlrom,the House altogether, or only leave his se ?
-seam , next question was put, namely,
SPeaket 8 contumacy in disobeying the orders ofeatblate.
t-skr ar, he be committed to the custody of the ergo
0-
-1
sPvli P as
Ate iinla"-When that question, which Hon. Gentleei.e. t
ni,::rea.dy anticipated with cheers of frenzied de ig. •
eed,
le
4., it would be for some Hon. Member to move ind
ket,`Qa absence of a more qualified person he would himself
or
by counsel
the Honourable Member be heard in personl
d b e
for th''',.,.Bel against that sentence —(oh, oh.)
Ivosiia nouse to consider to what part of the chamber theyn
tea
order the Honourable Member to withdraw. Even
bi .
tlsl2ent temper of the House he did hope that nGorgeen_
alas
would refuse the Honourable Member for
seey, shooiciaa opportunity of being heard. He (Mr. An t
in)
his i Move that the Honourable Member be heard i the pf aeat but it there were any present who thought that 2
Withaate of an order from the Speaker, directing him to
he "nra,w, he
a should not address the House from his place,
fro W'ill,`" ask, was it the intention that he should be heard
italtkeeple PlitCB allotted to strangers P—(oh, oh.) Then he
403, :,,,,',°nourable Gentlemen to point out any passage in
recce
of Parliament that justified them in adopting so
meat a course. There was nothing in any Act of Par-
heard ant that did not entitle the Honourable Member to be
riine in his place. The question before the House was not
IsTret,,Lor his
and he thought the safest course for the
be re Lord at the head of the Government to adopt would
to t°
dove for a Select Committee, and refer. the question
cie4o consideration of that tribunal before it was further
eatea. s.
if. it wa,
as the Noble Lord the
but
0011:21:t
:eat
Minister.4ch:dolAie . i
s, i
oT:fh
until
nhaote.tit
neat,iooo muchsession,
opportun
this session. -teLiii°ll of Baron Rothschild's case from the. last to
oiCtnyoro:roafnb,i:had asked the House to post-
ppMeae
h ear
tog'
Without
refused, ssilh ut 'hearing
Imiebger
tfeor Gereceenuwrtticehf
law,only
The
luotiou Tout information and without
adrale Member conclu'ded by moving
W ila deedi
Lord learned,
bim—withoue.
All'ging that justice could not otherw.se .
tion, for
,i,.._ ELL could not agree to that proposi
hear )
that extchdee debateb edebbee.
no reasons had been given.—(Hear,
-oith respect to the moton before the House, he thought the.
•es use ought t
the Ei 0 come toga decision upon that question, whe nu- Gentle s• • .ii s hear.)
Neas his email suoutd withdraw. —s ea . .It
a 1,,,,
r! (Lord J. Russell's) intention to make a motion
ef."-Vila in terms to the resolution passed last year in the case
eh„.",.'on. Rothschild; but he did not wish that the House
and4„,"l come to any immediate decision upon that question,
should be ready to take that motion next day, leaving
fit to for gentleraen to consider what course they might think
tnetioaci°Pt
, (Rear, hear.) With respect to the immediate
lao, ;,. the House was in a state to decide upon that. The
ih__ t _ eatlernan said that the Hon. Member for Greenwich
li.ui_l_td not withdraw if the House came to a resolution that
,;_,4hould ; the only precedent he (Lord J. Russell) found
v.!,
.with regard to Sir William Wyndham. It appeared by
12°,Jeurnals that there being words of his in the House found
tii:tew_i_ith, he was ordered to withdraw, which. he refu:s,edto
Sir I,lPu a motion being made, and the question put, that
iky." • Wyndham do now withdraw," the House divided i—
seozia' 206; noes, 127. The entry then was—" So it
itte r.esolved in the affirmative, and he withdrew
asii°)rchngly•"—( Hear, hear.) He (Lord John Rus-
epee, conceived that that was only paving a proper re-
0,... to the 115e5e.....( Hear, hear.) Sand Wyndham was
644h,t341. oubted Member of the House, ad spoken in his
Vi„.c_,_. he declined to withdraw upon the order of. the
til",'er, but upon the resolution of the House he immediately
Qree'arer( Hear.) Of course, if the Hon. Member for
:tares wieh did not pay that respect to the House other mei-
he , Must be taken.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") But
the(rrd J. Russell) should hops that when the authority of
their
had been affirmed by a resolution of the Hou-e
45,_ s!ould be no hesitation in witharawing.—(ear.)
4'15 .13 HALL was understood to recommend he ea
n. and
Acii, 44 Member (Mr. Anstev) to withdraw his motion for
.i nrnment, and let the House come to some decision.
de`t r a few words from Mr. WAWN, who spoke from un-
bar etY„'llltly, and amidst expressions of impatience,
Greenly'-!•kiOIUSE said he thought the ffus. Member for
~,_eich would weaken his case if he did not rise in his
Pursue'ind state, however shortly, the course he meant to
the i.•--(A laugh.) He had claimed the right to sit and
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~Ight to vote, but he had not claimed his right to speak
iiille Rouse.—(Hear, hear.) What he should say was for
•h,,!;_10 consideration— A laugh) -possibly he might say
Oeitue should withdrawn deference to the expressed opinion
„ue Rouse (Hear, hear.)
1/o_r• Alderman SALOMONS, who was sitting in the
them; Pon the front bench on the Ministerial side, below
,Withgear?gvraY, immediately rose; he was at first received
es of " Withdraw !" from the Opposition benches,
iset the
~
cries"wet drowned in the loud cheers with which