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London, England, 1834-02-20 00:00:00

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den, providing that by that means
to the poor. e 4 l• •
for Dublin differ ' r
Mr. FINN said that the Hon. Member Hews
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Member. Hew '
on this question from almost every other Hon. . •
could be 1
at a loss to know how Ireland, with no manufactures,
tr
_,, in
upon agricultural horse' ; and, indeedhe, freeoumidemvearkyepfoeessdibelheebsp.os, ;
benefitted by the repeal of the corn laws. On the c _
cadrtYiya• t
his opinion it would throw nearly all the land outel '
from its il,
tion. This was the only advantage Ireland deriveso . mem. ,
connection with this country, and he could inform
I,enn° fact
bers, that in repealing the corn laws they would I
repealing the Union.
l upon this question
f Mr. O'CONNOR also differed in opinion `' tion of the • '
rom Mr. O'Connell, and thought that:
the
ques
iving cheap
corn laws ought not to be disturbed. So
far
fr°ln
g ld, in his •
food to the poor, the repeal of the corn lay's w"
to get
opinion, render it more difficult for the labouring f0r,..;„, no
spea.Ara: .
bread at all, as there would be, comparatively
employment. He would oppose the repeal of the cornntailiis•an
Mr. O'CONNELL considered that the nom
misstated what he said, though , would ,
What he said was, that by rendering food cheaper, , loge
be improved, and that ground in the neighbourhood oel
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cities, which was now under corn, would then be turn landlord
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gardens. The advantage of dear food was all on the
side •
side ; and if rendering food cheap was to be called
he confessed himself guilty of that.—(Hear, hear.lci jl:Il hi'
stvoasi,uarcasB 4 ?
(Mr. O'Connell's) interest, was landed interest—to
small, compared to the whales of this House, but st
. for the
crease his rent-roll should be his objel)cetr,haaPrisel yet hillentdi°
cheapness of bread to the poor. , of bread 1 ~
O'CONNOR DON thought that lowering the price lone,. i
was not enough to make a people comfortable, it
cessary to give them plenty of money wherewith
ented ; i.
that bread. In that part of the country which he Wes- ... , . , '
people were 11. -.
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eatables were at the cheapest rate, and yet the
most miserable condition. 0
Sir CHARLES BURRELL considered that the reductio , ~
bill sure
in" '
of corn would cause a proportional reduction in wages. .a :
Mr. WALKER was of opinion that considering the pesitl°. ':
of the Irish fanner and landholder, it would bring utter ruin 't :'
the country if the corn laws were repealed. He conceived Oa,. 1,
the cry of cheap bread was nothing but a clap-trap.—(Hor aria , •
laughter.) He thought that eheapnessof bread was merely coe.'
parative, and was satisfied that in a country where they badly!
manufactures, and nothing to depend on but agricultural product
to talk of turning out the agricultural labourers, and then t'
supply them with cheap bread, was perfectly absurd. He w
aware that some Englishmen had advocated a system of p.
laws for Ireland, but this was merely for the purpose of pet
venting the Irish labourers from getting employment in
the' ~
English market. Being fully aware that an abolition of
tl.ie :
corn laws would bring ruin upon Ireland, he would decidedly i ',
,
.
oppose Lord suW.ch a
LENNOX propositionwas of opinion that the proportio .
which wages bore to the price of bread was what sh ouot ld. n',
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looked to, for if a poor man earned but 6d. a day, and
andgod
loaf for 3d., it would be the same as if he earned Is. a day ,
a.O '.',.
paid 6d. for it. The Hon. Gentleman beside him had s V poken o"`_,
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fixed duty ; that was a matter of calculation. He should to
10s. as the fixed duty, and 245. as the price of the best corns . l'i
that would make 345. ; he would then add 3s. 6d., er
4;
for freight, that would make 38s. ; and then (as there W°ll3,
to au increase in the price of corn) he would add 10s., th „,
would make 48s. ; and he would ask the House whether aa't :
English farmer could grow wheat for 48s. ? As the s'tbrect
of fixed duty was likely to come before the House again' .).
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would say nothing upon it now.
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to,
Mr. T. ATTWOOD said that Hon. Gentlemen seemed
think that the public faith was pledged to the ftindholders, 3','4;:i '
to them only, but he contended that it was pledged also to t.,„,'''•
landowners, and that the farmers, whose property was twig 7,,,',.
out of their hands by the acts of that House, had stiongL''
claims upon the House than the fundholders, whose papery. ,
,;
had been paid in standard gold. It had been said that the
v,
could be a strong indelicacy in alluding to the national deubc.
and many Hon. Members affected to think that it would it,.
impossible to touch it. He (Mr. A.) thought that
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would be touched before long, and that severely—(lle3r,)tbe:,
if some measure were not speedily adopted for the relief oliief a.-,
agricultural and commercial classes—for the effectual 704-
of the distress and exasperation under which the
classes now laboured. He was prepared to prove, that vletrl,,
a very short (1 eCod, he would not say when, for lonftedy fl
were cursed for boding ill, and had often been disaPPhin,_.,o
—but he wv.s predated to prove that the national debt 0;,,,,..„,
shortly fall under the Lins of its own making. Ills V,
~_': :1,,
would be found correct when Hon. Mernbers lookedndathe;
‘f
discord which was rapidly growing and thickening
atridealt oati.
He thought that some measure of justice ought to b
methia
to the landholders as well as fundholders. Vnlesss soery
large' ,
was speedily done, they should be compelled to make a v
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reduction in the national debt. One hall was the r 'oe ..i
which common honesty required. If this was not doner,wo
consequences would be, that troubles would thicken a
o°, io „.
bt
luMbwre.eSpreAroNtreeDsintedFaedigtainisttswaanduyldit
them, and the national debt would fall under the ruins ' t.
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own making. 1-loUsetea
adopt some measure for the relief the agrwicasultmutor,a,tlieci,,.hl,,n'ocp:,:go:ai', ,
t:rirparlesasnedd,
;comamnderclifalictlassweerse.
as being,
greatly
encroachmentrweainjurioussatlyt hbeendeuetfitonyt theb
otf tehtPhuati enhbdrel—iiuclesuatir.tia sr'icel )'
wouldwasnetgtrheeatlmyisthelieefvethea
mlforae pgoretnioernaolify
twwile or
ethoenficdoeunntttrhya,tititthe 10°11 or %
interest, for it was by local taxation that it 'e. er
that _..1 intent
'l'.
I
to be relieved at the expense of the public creditor. .on 00,
Mr. RUTH VEN said that, from the pressure of tala,,t; o'l,-*
the country, he had little doubt, unless some measure' ;TrOifri
were afforded, the forebodings of the Hon. Member felt Wt, '
mingham (Mr. T. Attwocd) would prove but too true. yds.
impossible for the country to bear its existing burdens, senor'
ift
House should do something, and that speedilY,
the same time keep up all its establishments, and Ph f The' k, ,
mous interest of the national debt.—(llear, hear).,fobif, ,
stability of property; and as to the national debt, he "; upl°',.
it would not be any extraordinary sacrifice if they gaV Tbele ~
millions, in order to secure the other 20 millions.
.. Jebt
should be a substantial reduction of the interest of th:i"agitt*;:„. .-
and until that was done, there would be bickering' an
i .
.a bei
tion in this country, as well as in Ireland. learn, sal A;
An HON. MEMBER, whose name we could not —f biSl4.
eg''
would not provoke discussion by any argument
tsthe obi
,titi
present. The time would shortly arrive When T.,- fise, °lin'
would be brought in a formal manner before the ..•°--., AP'7l'
he then hoped that it would be discussed with ealnii.ne7 for 1:4
temper.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The petitioners as".cuitilrs,A
repeal of th•
malt tax, and he must say that the agri„.4,,e',".
interest did. expect that of the sur lus in the ILis'il I
something would be given them by Pwa of relief, ro; 0,
when the subject was recommended to they consideration '
grifltUr.. ' •
0
House by his Majesty's speech. , ha„f.'4'
Mr. RUTHVEN presented a petition from the ji to -
of Ardwin, in the county of Down, againt the sYs.rivellt!:
tithes. The petitioners stated that the compulsory Paiit, Vi'::: '.
to support a Church from which they derived no he ne 'fheiw,
the chief cause of the dissentions in Ireland. noiotAtl
complained of the conduct of a Commissioner, l).,.rtith",l ,
WWI illt:,
under the late Act of Parliament in charging land, 0., ,
„„.., o 'lad
that was never charged before, from whom there ”--attell".4", I,
appeal to the Privy Council, and that that mcale was apois".), 1.,
with great expense, and was so summary as t°. 10f) ,1`
to a denial of justice in many instances.—(Flea:,„s
The parishes that raised the greatest:question about Tli",:-.5.04110,
..c,
those who paid least—those that paid most remainingP e's of , „t,,'
yet, still the latter were charged as being the instigat'. ,1,,

th Mr.ol H. ceATTEN supp ortenthat had taken ped the prayer of the Pclace. -
titioll.
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Mr. SHAW said that he believed the Clergy of 1re.31

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moderate in their charges.—(Hear, and a
Mr. O'CONNELL supported the petition.
tOl 0
Mr. FITZSIMON presented two petitions ; one - f
parish of Clendalkin, in the county of Dublin, the other f r Or'
the parish of Gorey in the county of Wexford, praying
abolition of tittles.
Lord LIMERICK presented a petition from Derby over'
consideration of such means as will ensure the het—r
vance of the Sabbath day. Also one from the
against the Beer Bill. the
Mr. HANDLEY said the oniy part of the Bill vi° e
which limited the sphere of its operation. if the the eita Y:
which the Chancellor of the Exchequer proposed Jibe 11°
of a revision of the poor laws was not satisfactory' tter•
the Hon. Member for Shoreham would take up the, :It: a i
Sir CHARLES BURRELL complained that he
treated with a great want of courtesy, in
which his Bill had been thrown out at the close of
eld, ,olve
particularly by Hon. Members in no way intete't.ch the tot
them representing large manufacturing towns, 01 od that tpe
ration of this Bill could never reach. He undersh!ii before 01
report of the Poor Law Commissioners would be lai
House in a few days, and if their propositions did not e rr
finding of employment for the women and children, a tvirtps'
parishes in some measure to legislate for thernselve7eoreo
port would not be worth a farthing, rind would not
tOo
ill practices which obtained throughout the country,. tlhot
Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the heave
Improvement Commissioners, and moved for oti
bring in a Bill.—Petition referred to a Committee* .
Mr. OLIPHANT presented a petition from the t,-, 3 Sail
of the town of Perth, praying for leave to bring I'ihe 1).`oi1
deepen the river Tay. Also, a petition relating 10 .00 ;'t 0 t
barton roads.—Referred to a Committee and a Petted t°
the Whishaw Railway Company, which was also ref
Comm
Mr. MURRAY
URRAY presented a petition relating to ,
hour,. which was referred to a Committee. •
Mr. BYNG presented a petition feom St. Jan` eOllO
minster, to repeal certain local acts.—Referred to a ; to°
Also one from the magistrates of Middlesex, for Ical
in a Bill to allow a salary to their Chairman, wbici
t.
referred to a Committee.
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Mr. LEEFVRE brought up a report on the Oi•-•
Southampton petition, and obtained leave to bring ford,
1-lere
Mr. BIDDULPH presented a petition from
leave to establish a market.
The SPEAKER left the chair at three o'clock.

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Sijr ohn Hothouse, we understand, b, s''"4
r quested to stand for the borough of 31arYfri'v,ie'e'vf,
Mr. Cr swford, a Liberal,
however, there is, I) sl)j hi"
has already addresied
on the subjs-cr. m yet.
sr Sir W. Horne is still the sitting
.I.lltoberf
01005 t
tir to continue so.
The " roof" ova. ..the House of C()Aillr• g
it is termed, was crowded on Tuesby might 'll-
debate on th Ei •
e enstolle.