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e'; but the clause hul nothing whatever to do with
Scotland. The Han. Gentleman had ' not therefore the
steeliest grounds for the course be had taken
Mr. OSWALD said the House had begin told over
end over tat they, were only, declaring the existing law.
As wet-tuber for Scotland. heeled a right to know what
was the law of Scotland.- -He three% the responsibility of
rOrnsal °tithe ‘-Government,. ' . ' ' -
Mr. J. S. 'WORTLEY hoped Lis, Hoe; Friend would
not divide the Houle. The clause had nothing, to de
With Seetland; end.oely drelared the la-iv. The - lion.
Centimetre in thinning any irapediment - in the way 'of
the Bill, had-combatted the general feeling of Scotland.
Mr. REYNOLDS objected ,to
,the withdrawal" of the
motion—(Cries of " Oh")—on the gromed that be heel
tistsed, a question.—(Criese Of i` Dividse') 'He -'sotiltl
move' motion sifter ebotien until be was -heard.. The
,reassticei, eras .one of the grettestemportanceee his coun-
try, and he stood on his tight to have his oninions
heard. He had'Put a 'question' to ihe'Attoriusi-Gene-
ral . for England in she course e f his 'observations that
everting,. . and until it was answered in a satisfactory
manner he should pp:reel-ere. His question was, seeps-
ing the Bill to-be law, in the event of an election for the
Catholic Archbishop'of Dublin, would the Pope's bull
.ratifying that election be illegal under the Aut?•,
..: - eta DISRAELI, suggested that it would,be batter to
heir. the Loid-Adeopetelhen have an unnecessary divi-
sion. As far as he (Mee Disraeli) could collect the feel-
iug of the Committee, tbey wished to hear the opinion of
tha Lord-Advocate, but though a Minister.of. -course
never rose witbont having something to ssyethe Lord-
Adeocate had resumed his seat without a word. It
would be betteeto listen to his opinion than to- havenn
unnecassaey division.—(Hear.) ' •- - -, -
Lo4tl J. RUSSELL said the tord-Aevecete had ex-
e
piessedbis readiness to answer the question; but the.
general cry 'of." No'', from the COMmittee caused 'him to
resumeehis seat.
The LORD-ADVOCATE had- not replied for two
reasons. ..Firet, because he had answered the
_question
before( ,i,id, secondly, because' the questitin had little•
or nothing to' do With the cluuee.',ln his. opipionthe'Act
of 1.568.. was not in fotte, but repealed.--(Hear.) - , • ', T
Lerd J. RUSSELL reminded the flen..Member for'
Dublin that any xescript appointing a,Roman Catholic
archbishop of Dahlia would be illegal by the 10th of
George IV., and that. no Roman -Catholic ecclesiastic •
Could ; assume that title,- , - .
- Mr. REYNOLDS repeated his question. Unlit he
received an answer he should support the Motion.
Mr. OSWALD expressed atimself satisfied.
Tne ATTORNEY-GENERAL, said that a rescript
appointing a Roman Catholic ,bishop or archbishop,
with. a territorial title, would be illegal under- the sta-
tute of George IV., and under the general- law of the
land, as declared by the clause before the-CoSemittee.
eMr.'IIEyNOLpS would, not now persevere, though
the answer was not, satisfactory.—(Laughtee:),
' The amendment was accordingly withdrawn, and the
Committee then divided on the original motion—namely,
that` the clause stand part of the Bill—when there ap-
peared— - , -
leer the clause • ... ... ... 244 ~ 1
Against it ... . e. - ... • ... 62 -
. Loral Majority ... - .... ...-182
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J. RUSSELL said they had now got through
the first clause, and the second clause was one upon
which' he apprehended there would be considerable
delay, from the number of amendments standing for dis-
cussion. Ile proposed, therefore, that ;the 'Chairmen
Should repert progress, and ask leave to Sit again. The
first elaiiie had been very fairlY debated; but with 're-
gard to another chase, "he wished ' to suggest to those
Hon. Gentlemen who were supporters of the Bill, and
Who- meant to make amendments, to consider whether
there : was anything . in those ame.ndmenta which
would carry the enactments of the Bill further.
There were others of so objectionable a character
that it , would be impossible for the Government'
te_consent to them. He Therefore wished Hob. Members,
without entering on any discussion of the subject on the
present occasion, to :consider before Monday whethei
there were any of amendments which they consi-
deeed of sufficient importance to press on the attention
of The Committee. The Bill, as it appeared to- him in
its present shape, stamped with a penalty the rescript of
September, 1850, and by its second clause would render
penal the assumption of titles 'to sees of existing bishops;,
and these two clauses would form a declaration by Par-
liament sufficiently strong and authoritative to vindicate
the authority 'of the Crown, of Parliament, and of the
nation. He therefore wished these Hon. Members who
thought the Bill might boimproved by the addition of
,the proposed clauses to consider whether the delay which
must be expected from the divisions that must take place
would not more than counterbalance the advantage which
would be gained by persevering with those amendments.
He did not wish.to raise any discussion, but in moving
that the-Chairman report progress, he thought it right
-to ask Hon. Members to take this into consideration.
- • Mr. 'WALPOLE•said, as he entertained a' very strong
opinion on some portion of these amendments, it might
be convenient to acquitted the Government that the first
amendment on the second clause which-he 'lshbuld pro-
pose related to three things—first, to subject persons to
penalties not-merely.for the-assumption-of etclesiastical
titles, but for these three matters—first,. if a person
should do or assume to do any act, matter, or thing,
under it brief dedlared to be unlawful; secondly, if any
person.should obtain or cause to be procured from the
Bishops of the see of Rome, or publish or put in use any
brief, r script, letters apostolical, or writing for the pur-
c
pose o constituting a hierarchy with titles derived from
places , longing to the Crown of England; thirdly, if
any pawn, under colour of any authority from the
Bishop.;of Rome, assume or claim to have or exercise any
authority over any province or diocese within the United
Kingdom. ' With regard to the first, he thought it a ne-
cessary consequence of 'declaring -the brief unlawful,
and, eherefore, on that he would take the opinion
'of the Committee. On the second, he thought it was
advisable that the opinion of the Committee and the
House should be taken upon it in order to avoid fresh le-
gislation. He. had his doubts as to number 3, because
.there was an ambiguity in the' clause, and there might
be more difficulty en enforcing that prohibition than in
the ()thee two. With regard to what was' called the
prosecutor's clause, it might be convenient to state that
he intended to adopt the _suggestiore _of , hie, Hon. and
Learned Friend the Member for Abingdon.' It might
also be convenient to state, in answer to ail observation
made by the ,Hon. and Learned Member for-Athlone,'
with reference to the proviso, that there 'should be no
prosecution under the first clause without the assent of
the Attorney-General—that he thought the proviso of
the Hon. and Learned Member for Athlone might be in-,
corporated with. the proposal of the 'Hon. and Learned
Member for Abingdon. He also wished to press the se-
condend third paragraphs in the preamble very strongly
on the attention of the Committee.
Lordp-. RUSSELL must leave.the Hon. and Learned
Membee to .take his own course; hut for his own part
lib could not consent Lo any of the amendments which he
tritende to propose. There was. ones however, to which
be felt erhaps a stronger objection than the others, as
tenesic be had not stated his intentions, namely, that
part in which:he proposed' PI visit ,the second offence
with a Penalty in addition to deportation. He should
beedispbsed: to' oppoie the infliction- cfs any pecuniary
penalty lwhatever. • -' • ' • ' • ' - •
els. WALPOLE would rather reserve ' what he had
to say On that point till:Monday, when , he would state
generelly thecource which be intended to pursue.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and ob-
tained liave to sit attain. - -
i CUSTOMS BILL. .. , .
Oa ilia motion'for the second reading of this Bill.
- Mr. DISRAELI reminded the Ceaaceller of the Ex-
esheqeee of:: the notice- which he had given, after the
great -change which had taken place in the financial
scheme of the GovernMent, that he would claim the
right to reconsider 'that 'scheme; and' he Meat say, for
himself and others who were absent, that the' could not
'allow my of the measure's connected with it to proceed
without discussion, and he therefore hoped that the
'Government would not persevere with the second read-
. .
ing.on that occasion.
The ;CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had
,not-understood that the Hon. Member intended to op-,
.pose the financial proposals of the Government, though
he knevi- that he desired to have some discussion on
some part of them. The Hon. Gentleman had not
offered the slightest opposition to the course which he
• had prOposed. . . .
-
-Mr. DISRAELI had certainly said that there was no
intention of opposing the pities of the Government, but
that was before the House bad come to the resolution
that the income tax should only be voted for one year.
But after that, important vote was arrived at, he consi-
deredet perfectly fair for his side of the House.to deal
with the financial propositions of, the Government with
reference to the effectof that important vote.---(Hear.)
' ". '.tr: MITCHELL hoped that no great delay,
.would be
gaffed .to.intervene in passing these measures, as the
, .
cdelsy vag'injitrious to trade. l , . •
; ' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would
not-press the measure at the present moment, under the
cireticnseanceS; but it was desiiable 'that no time should
be lost. j ' , -
-'. lifter tome ferther tionversatioti; :
-The 'gill Waspoetponedeill Monday next. , .
- „ INHABITED. ROUSE .DIJWY BILL
, ~.,On the motion for the aenond reading of This Bill,
'-71,tre, pISRAELI Said he regarded this Billet's° as part
of th.e.apente finances' scheme, and therefore hoped ' the
Goverereent Would not press it at that moment:
. - Lard j, JeUSSELL, said the Honeleamber had cer-
eainly reserved
_to inaself the 'liberty to support or
__op-
pose the Customa Bill. •
. : The.secoud readingeof the Bill was then postponed till
' elleenday, ~, , e a iiiiiaiiine: and
,2.- The Bridgei,(lrelarid) Bill was read
•
passed:
• TbesFee Farm Resets (Ireland) Bill-passed throngh
Ootninittee pro forma. - ',. ' • - --. .; ,
-COLT IL PROPERWX QUALIFIC,ATI9N BeLie,
, .
• • , me. , UTT moved the second reacting of the Coionial.
Peoeer y Qualification Billee
• 'Mr. STANFORD, said he was opposed to all attempts
oe ilia kind..to. Alter the Reform, 8e1..,..1.1e moved .that
the, Bill •be read a second time that day six. months. ,
Mr.' -CIIOLEFIELD, secended, ,the _ntitendmeet; on
the ground that they ought not -to =end what he
considered the objectionable praceice of requiring any,
qualifieetion for seats dit that House.
After a few words from Mr. H. titter , eibtl.:Mrre'Mitee
- tiros in defence Of the Bill, '• • .
-The-House divided, when there appeared-7 _
': • For theeepoudeeadiege, ) ,
t.. , , ...,
.72 .
, Against it , ..• •." ... , ..., 31 .
rdsjerity.for tbe_accond readlog .... —4l' .
The Bill wasitherefere•read a second time. • ,
Mr. LABOUCHERE move for leave to introduce's
Bill to alter and .amend certain. provisions of the Land
' .Cleuses'Consolidation Act of 1845 in Ireland.' The Oh-
` ject of the Bilawas toeubstitate a system ofArbitratfon
. in iiiace,Of triai&bijuriee in calrying.ontsthe Ant of 1845.
' ' • ColoneeDUNNE expressed his disapproval of-the Bill.
' Itetveuld introduce into Ireland a prineiple which ewas
1 t not in force hi this country. •
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