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London, England, 1834-02-22 00:00:00

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that remark be wanting, we re:or for it to the declarations
which Mr. O'Connell is reported to have hazarded in respect of
the national debt, and of which Sir Robert Peel made a use so
unmerciful against the unfortunate repealer. The division•on
Lord Chandos' resolution showed a strong muster of the agri-
i cultural force, and the necessity of a general union of constitu-
Itional effort throughout the country to obtain a release from
; theshackles which those squires have imposed upon it.—Times.
Mr. O'Connell and agitation have had a signal triumph in
the success of Sir Edward Knatchbull's motion, after the
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nothing for Ireland is to be expected from a British Legis.
lature ; that even a Ministry, all-powerful when the object is
Ito coerce Ireland, can do nothing when the object is to benefit
the people. We are almost inclined to believe, that Mr.
O'Connell laid himself out in the early part of the evening
to shock and cli.gust the English Members, by openly advo-
cating successit e confiscations of the property of the national
creditors, in order to make even the temporary concurrence
with him of disservice to Ministers. Well was Sir Robert
Peel aware of the advantage which might be drawn frdta
the feeling excited by Mr. O'Connell's revolting proposition,
when, with an eye to the following debate, he exclaimed :—" He
could not refrain from calling upon all who were concerned to
judge, from the principles which had been just developed by the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman, what would be the probable con-
sequences of the establishment of an independent Legislature in
the sister country. Oh ! all you (exclaimed Sir R.) who arein-
terested in the fate of Ireland--all you Protestants in Ireland—
learn from this indiscreet declaration of the Hon. and Learned
Member for Dublin, what you might expect if you were handed
over to the tender mercies of a popular assembly, in which that
Hon. and Learned Gentleman sl.ould have an undisputed pre-
dominance. He could not help believing that the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman had completely decided the question of the
repeal of the Union by this preliminary step of his; for every
man of reflection would draw this inference from the recom-
mendation of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, that if State
necessity justified so gross and glaring a violation of national
faith, there was no security left for any description of pro-
perty whatever." Although we are quite aware that prin-
ciples give little trouble to the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man, we also know that he is too shrewd, too acute an ob-
server, not to be aware that with a people like the English, the
barefaced proposition of robbery would excite infinite disgust ;
and we incline to think that his object was to injure Ministers
by the odium of even a temporary coincidence with him. This
is what he wishes. His trade is at an end if Ministers could
proceed in a straightforward course, without reference either to
Orangemen or Catholics. He wishes to throw them into the
arms of the Orangemen—to render it impossible for them to
check such incendiaries as Baron Smith, without drawing down
on themselves the odium of forming part of O'Connell's train.
Strange that English Members should not see through the game
he is playing—should not see, that in refusing to inquire into
the conduct of Baron Smith, they are really enabling O'Con-
nell to wield, with ten-fold more force than ever, the demo-
cracy of Ireland. No man was ever more disappointed
than Mr. O'Connell was, when Mr. Littleton, yielding only
to the justice of the case, determined to consent to the
motion, though that motion was made by Mr. O'Connell.
We confess that the result grieves us beyond measure. We
see in it a bar to every thing like legislating for Ireland
without reference to party. We see in it the lines between
Orangemen and Catholics drawn more distinctly than ever,
and fresh fuel for agitation, to the interruption of the progress
made in the improvement of the country. The Tories, from
the first, saw the advantage which they might derive from this
question. They were aware that the motion was not recom-
mended in the eyes of Englishmen by being brought forward by
Mr. O'Connell, and they cunningly represented it as affording a
triumph to Mr. O'Connell. They knew, too; that English gen-
tlemen dislike very much interfering with Judges. They fore-
saw that they had materials not only to strengthen ascendancy
and agitation in Ireland, but to produce divisions in the Minis.
terial camp. Sir James Graham foolishly played into their
hands ; and thus Mr. O'Connell and the Tories have obtained
a signal triumph over a well-intentioned Ministry—a triumph
to the consequences of which we look forward with apprehen-
sion. All manner of rumours were afloat after the division.
Mr. Littleton, of course, must consider himself deeply injured
by the course which some members of the Ministry have held
t. wards him in this business, and feel that it grealy impairo 1
his power of being useful in Ireland. Members of the Cabinet
who supported Mr. Littleton have equal reason to complain a:
the invitation held out by the imprudent conduct of Sir James
Graham, to secession from the Ministerial ranks of their usual
supporters. The determination tobe honourable came ton late.
Suspicion had come over the minds of Members. Though we
believe that Ministers have the most honest intentions towards
the nation, and though we see in the honest zeal with which
they grapple with the abuses of the poor laws, and of municipal
corporations, to say nothing of their plans for commuting tithes
in Ireland and England, and a determination to devote them-
selves to the good of the people, yet we cannot help lamenting
that they do not borrow a little more of the discipline of some
of their predecessors. But it too often happens that men who
have honest intentions are less compactly united than those
whose views are selfish and dishonest. We should be sorry if
the vote of last night were to lead to any serious differences.
We fear, however, that it will leave a sting behind.—Morning
Chronicle.

The Marquis of Chandos last night moved a reacautioti
pledging the House to pay attention to the distressed state of
the agricultural interest in any remission of taxation which the
circumstances of the country may render practicable. Upon a
division the numbers were—
For the motion
Against it
Majority against it —4
Can it be said that the country has a Government when thu.
within the space of a single week, on two most important
questions—the one affecting the prerogative of the King, the
other the relief of the peasant—the Ministers of the Cro,vl4
triumph in the one case by a majority of eight, in the other by
a majority of four ? We presume that Lord Althoep must of
necessity introduce some measure by which a direct relief will
be afforded to the suffering agriculturist. Professing to think the
unpopularity of a tax a large ingredient in its impropriety, he
must have learned something of the unpopularity of the bur..
dens to which the agricultural interest is subjected in the
numbers which were arrayed against him last night. Declar-
ing that there are taxes which he would rather see rerikiited
than those which he had promised to repeal, he must now ouspeci
that there are also taxes the remission of which the country will
hail with a not less cordial pleasure. But perhaps Lord Althorp
will leave to other hands the task of doing what must evidently
be done. It is possible that the Whigs may not wait for
another such victory. Deserted in their difficulties by the
despicable allies they have courted, and saved from ruin
by the honourable enemies they have calumniated,—
scorned in the country, and buffeted in the Parliament,
—loathed by the labourer, whose necessities they have
contemned, and distrusted by the Prince, whose preroga-
tive they have betrayed,—they may be even now medi-
tating an escape from the penalties of their misused
power. There is much in our report of the debate on the rno6,

Lion of the Noble Marquis which will well repay the troull',e or
perusal. We recommend to the attention of our readers the
doctrines boldly promulgated by Mr. O'Connell upon. the " cast
of keeping nationalfaitli." We are grateful to Igr, O'Connell
on this, as on some former occasions, -for e;iling forth a torrent
of indignant eloquence from Sir Robert Peel. Whether we
regard the deep wisdom of the judgment he expressed,—the
singular power of the rhetoric by which he enforced it,—or
the ready boldness with which he encountered the unprincipled
enemy to whom he was opposed,—wp find in Sir Robert Peel's
masterly speech at once the work of the able statesman, the
accomplished orator, and the thoroughly honest man.—Morn.

ing Post, -
With the highest satisfaction we refer our readers the re-
snit of the debate on Sir E. Knatchbull's motion ;ur the dis-
charge of the order for a Committee on the conduct of Mr.
Ba-
ron Smith. On a division the numbers were—
For themotion..
Against ft
Majority ,..„ —6
The order for the Committee is: therefore discharged, and the
miserable injustice of the Ministera in their attack on the ye.
nerable Judge has experienped a signal defeat. What may be
the ultimate consequence of this overthrow we have not time
now to consider. Let us only congratulate our country and
our King upon the immediate result—our country, for there
never was a time in which she more needed independence and
integrity in her Judges—our King, for history would contrast
the reign of the son disadvantageously with the reign of the
father, if she should write that the Independence of the judicial
bench, having been redeemed by George the Third from the
corrupt influence of the Crown, was sacrificed by William the
Fourth to the capricious passions of the people.—Morning Post,

The Carnival at Turin closed this, year with
3 grand ball in costume, given by the wr of the British
Envoy. The dresses were tasteful, rich, and accurate,
Not less than 700 persons were present. Among the par.
ties particularly to hp distinguished were the ; erforncers in
t quadrille of character, from the romance of Fiera
llosca, written by the Alarquis d'Azeglio, son-in law to
Manz:Hai, in which some of the Az,glio family, now at
Turin, were conspicuous. A quadrille of characters fruni
tire rommee of Quentin Durward, in which thee Mar-,
quirk. de Buy! (one of the ladies of the Court), amt khe
:Vlarquise d'Adria, the daughter of the Prussian .',Ainister,
the ante de Marescalchi, Mr. Boyle, attache to the
British Mission, &c., fuured. Also a group of characters,
in perfect costume of the time of 1.04 is XIII., as found in
,he paintings of Ruben% The wife of the great painter
vita beautifqlly represented by the Marquise tie Baenre,
titer of the • Prince della Cisterns. There were Aso a
Charles le Temeraire, and a Richard Coeur-de.Lion, es
cell as others, in rich armour, which, it is understood,
was graciously lent Ix the occasion to gentlemen of his
lousehold Ly the King of Sirdinia, out of his curious col-
lection of old armour. The palace of the mis.ion was
,rarticularly well adapted for such a fete; and a distiti.
uished artist of the country, M. Gonin, was present, who
nade sketches of the saloon and the principal groups,
.vhich are to be lithograplied.—Frestch Paper.
FASHIONABLE ARRIVALS.—Under the
ad of fashionable arrivals, the Manchester Chronicle f
4st Saturday bas the following announcement 1,593
pigs have arrived by the railway during the week :"