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NAVAL

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As Notices have been.given in both Houses of Parliament,
Motions respecting the Tenth Report of the Commissioners
for Naval Inquiry, we now think it our duty to submit
that Report to .ur Readers.

THE FIRST TREASURERSHIP OF THE RIGHT HON.
HENRY DUNDA9, NOW LORD VIsCOUNT MEL.

VILLE. _
Lord Melville succeeded Mr. Barre as Treasurer
of the Navy ; he held the Office from the 19th of
August, 1782, to the loth of April, 1783, 4d at
present stands upon the List of Ex• Treasurers. Hi,
first Account was made up in the Office of the Troy«
surer of the Navy in the beginning of the year
184; the general statement of it was then trans.
mitred to his Lordship to attest, but it has nut been
returned to the Accountant, which prevents the
Account from being delivered into the Auditot'j
Office.

Soon after the appointment of Lord Melville, a
Warrant under His Majesty's Sign Manual wag
given, for granting to him an additional allowance
of two thousand three hundred and twenryLfour
pounds six shillings and sixpence, in arder to make
his net official income four thousand pounds a year;
which was stated to be, as in the case of Mr. Barre,
" in full satisfattion of all wages and fees, and othet
profits anti emoluments," previously enjoyed by
former 'Treasurers.

.The additional sum of two thousand one hundred
and fifty pounds granted to Mr. Bizrro., not prodoc.
ing him a net annual income of four thousand pounds,
owing to the taxes and other charges on the addi.
dorsal sum, the grant to Lord Melville was thete:
fore increased, and a Clause was inserted in the
Warrant; authorising him, in ease the additional
allowance should not make up in each year the net
sum of four thousand pounds, to charge the deli.
eiency in the annual account of monies disbursed by
him for fees of divers natures.

A Warrant, similar to that granted to Lnrd Mel.
ville, has been given'on the appointment of each
succeeding Treasurer.

Mr. Andrew Douglas, who aded as Paymastei
under Lord Melville, being dead, we had r, course
to his Lordship for information, whether the condi,.
tions of the Warrant had been complied with
To the question put to Lord Melville, Whether,
during the period of this Treasurership, he had de.;
rived any profit •or advantage from the use or em.
ployment of money issued for carrying on the cur.
rent service of the Navy l--he objeded to answer,
under the fifth Clause of the Aft by which we are
constituted; which provides, " That no person
shall be compellable to answer any question which
may criminate, or tend to criminate, such person, or
to expose such person to any pains or renalties
and upon the ground of not di,closing delicate anti
confidential transaftions of Government,' alluded to
in his Letter to us of the 30th of June, 1804. We
shall defer the discussion at this objedion, as toms;
ing more in order when we speak of the second part
of his Lordship's second Treasurership.
His Lordship having ohjyled to answering this,
question, and Mr, Andrew Dip.iBlas, hi, Paymaster,
being dead, it :was nor in Out 'loin's' to pursue t his
inquiry further ; :otherwise we should have thought •
it our duty to investigate the ,manner in which ths
Public Money had been employed, and the extent
to which the use of it had bean carried. Wa
ever deemed it necessary to ascertain, wl ether his
Lordship was aware of the conditions of the War.
rant, an. what construftion he put on them. By
kis answer to a question for this purpose, we learn.
ed, that he certainly did cons Her the additional
salary granted to him to be in lieu of all wages,
lees, profits, and other emoluments, previously en.
juyed by former Treasurers, except coals, candles,
and some such small contingencies.
When a Treasurer of the Navy has g, ne nut of
',office it has, been usual to continue to nifty the pay.
ments in his name to the end of the month in Which
his successor has been appointed, to prevent confu-
sion, and the rece.sity of making out two Ac, aunts
fur the same month The payments were tin dine
continued in Lord: Melville's name to the 30 th of
April, 1783, at-which titne he stood charged' ► ith
the suns of two hundred,and twenty thousand fur
hundred and forty.six poundS fourteen shillings d
nicepence halfpenny. We have enteted in the
pendix an Account, she Wing the amount of the SUMS
received and paid, anti the bulasice wiro which his
Lordship-was charged on the pied December in
each:year during his Ex. Treasurership; by which
it appears, that no payments have been made upon
that Account since the 3131 Of • December, 1795,
when the balance, was reduced.to five thousand five
hundred and 'sixty-threei puundi six shillings and
twn.pence one farthing.
This balance was paid over to his Lordship about
the time of his (pitting the office, of Treasurer a
second time, in Mty or June, J Soo.

THE SECOND TREASURERsHIP OF LORD VISCOUNT

MaLVILLE.

Lottl Melville ;vat re-appointed on the sth of
January, t7}34., anti cantinutcl in office until the tit
of jure, 2 boo.

In speaking of this Treasurership, it will be ne.
eessary to divide it into two parts, as, from the Ist •
of January, 1786, the business was condutied under
the provisions of the asiii of His present Majesty,
cap, 3t, which instituted s new mode of Account-
for the Office of Treasurer..
The old mode of Account of course ceased on the
3131 01 December, /786, at which•time Lord Mel.
ville toud charged with two hundred and seventy.
five thousand Sight hundred and twenty pounds hi'.
teen shillings and eleven.pence,- out of which sum,
and others advanced to him, fte• 'hats; continued to
make payments as an Ex.:Treasurer.7' •
The late Mr. Andrew Dangles hating also ,gifted
as Paymaster. to Lord Melville tineint tile part of
his second Treasurership, wequestioned Lord Mel.
ville, whether he had derived any profieor advise.'
sage from the use or employment Of dee money is.,
sued fur carrying on the current service of the
Navy, between the Ist of February 1784, and
the pet of December 1785, wtOeb question his
ender the provi.
Pthnebfijeftedclar:seatnir tehreinL't by which we ate
cslionnisdsitiohtufited, and upon the ground before slatted sane;
alluded to in his Letter,
We have entered in the A;,;aenthx

*rittr sacoxen ;earl. os Tait SECOUD 'ME/MILER.
4i 11 T? air THE itIGST Finn. eoeo vi couieT
settevit,es, OrrICIALLY UNTlll.ht) ACT
Of' rMtio,MittUr tiaW ACCltitiT."
The ACt of the zerh of Hit present Majesty, cap,
5.1, for better regulating the. office of Treasurer of
Hie NI %Veto Navy, directed, that the several pro.
visions therein contained slinuld take place on Ole
pbt of July vias, bur el:ey Were not carried into
effett till the Ist of January t 786 I vve understand
the delay was occasioned by the necessity of mak-
ing some previous official arrangements.
In that mantis Alexander Trotter, EA, who had
lately been a .Clerk to the Navy Pay Office, was ap.
pointed Paymaster, by... Lord Melville, and he states,
that he tided AS D to the Treasurer, in all the
duties attached to rite situation, cact...pt the appoint.
meet tit Officers. and Clerks.
...As. the elireetiens of the Aet are psitive, that
the issues of money for Navy Services shall be made
to the Batik, and that the manes shall not be drawn
trumn thence but for Navy Services, it appeared to
up, that .if the direttioni of the At had been ob.
served, the circumstance which We have before no.
deed, that the stuns standing in the name of the
Tresesttrer at.the,Bank were less.. than his unappro.
printed balances, . could not, have existed. We
thertfor deemed it our duty to inquire minutely
into the cause of such deficienciee, and with this
view,' we first examined Mr. 'f ratter, and after.
wards L,utd. Melville. Mr. Trotter, when,firet
celled upi,on to account for these deficiencies, said, he
could not precisely explain the cause of them ; but
afterwards acknowledged, that he had been in the
prattice of drawing money from. the Bank in large
sums, and lodging it in the hart& of private Bank.
co, previously to its being issued to tic Sub. Ac.
countanta for the Public Service. Thiq practice, he
states, was ifattidtiCrti about the year seti6, with the
Icootvlctige and approbation of the "treasurer. Lori'
Melville admits that he did permit Mr'. Trotter to
lodge the, public money in, his 'private Bankers.
hands, but not, as it would seem, to the extent un.
derstood by Mr. Trotter. Mr. Trotter, on being
questioned whether he bad derived any. profit or ad.
vantage from the money withdrawn by him• (torn
the Bank,- refused. to, answer, under the provisions of
the fifth clause of the ACI by which we are consti.
tuted; and it; availed himself of,this clause in every "
question which bore any relation to the rase or on-
ployment •of the public motley, either by himself or
IsedMelville, urging, in the latter case, that as he
had drawn all the money horn the Bank in the first
i4toerox, he eoeceived himself .itriplicatect in its
sel>ereeetit appropriation. Mr. 'Trotter give us to
understand, that money applicable . tit 'Navy Ser.
• vie", which had ixen edvarieed by him to Lord
Melv tiler tityloy•ot by hit L.miship in the
public service of the State.; and that he was led to
e.)ie Qom:lotion etaosequence of 7t conaiderible sum,
eta advari t#, having,been%ret,urned AO hilt by me;
Long, one of the. liee,rataties to the 'treasury..
...upon shit stwar), we Issued our precept ter L. it'd
Melville for iin'ACCtiilnt of, monies received by him,
?0,,,k0n,f0t hisrAirrepi,llll, or by his order, from
the Paymaster Neck, between the try of juily.
11.55, and me 3 pg a December .ifiera,, kitting when
tech; tveteeteeeived ; anti. also- ,the times
when, andihe pellonN by whom, the tame were re-
it; cog t(# the Bank or the Paymaster. •
;#llsWcr, to tilot „precept we rccrivlat from his
10,ypiihip the following_ teller :J
IPipthievt, 3mtb of Yilite, r%stq.
. .
Genticiperprld shave received you's* leetittisitiore,
of, tlaot the 260011040 t. It is impossible for me
wttioishyttis with the Account youaik. It is more

RD iIAARI3

thart four ye,it,sinet I left the office of Treasurer of:
the N !Sty, and at the
.oeriotl of doing so, havieg,
accounted for. ,e very suns impressed into my hands,
1 transferred the whole existing balance to the ac.,
coon of my sneeessor; From that time I never'
c,nsidet,al any paper Ur voucher that remained in
my handt as of the' smallest use to nay sect or any
other person, and con,tetpitntly, being often in the,
practice since I retired ti Scotland, en-11110,in, '
occasionally !Merle liirte 'in assorting my papers, and '
destroying those that Wert tideless, I am satisfie'd:
there does nor.exitt anyone material by which I;
could Malec up such an Acceountate you specify. But
independently ,of that cireurnstarice,lthink it tight
to rensbalyoti„that dtaiini.,..a great part of the time
I was Treasurer of the -Navy, I held other very
confidential ~ittnationsin Government, and was in.',
timarely ctameCted with others. So situated, I did
not decline giv int; occasional accommodation from
the funds in the Treasurer's :hands to other services,
not connaled withmy official situation as Treasurer
of the Navy. If I had materials to make up Welt
'an Account as you require, I could not do it without
disclosieg'ilelicate and confidential transadions of
Government, which, my dory to the public must have
testrainett me from revealing..
(Signed) .'"*Mrt.viLLE."
Desirous of being furnished with an account of
the autos issued to the' Bank for the service of the
Navy, which had been drawn from thence, and
apprdpriated to any other public service, and judg.
ing that some_ note or record of such ttatisadions
ought to liave been preserved Navy Pay.
office, we issued our precept to
_the present Trra_
surer fur an Account of the aunts of money which
had been Advanced or lent by the Treasurers of the
Navy, or by their dire4ions, to any public Depart.
*lst,- or applied by them to services not conne4H
with their official situation as 'Treasurers of the
Navy, betweenthe .rat of farnrary, z 786, and- the
3 tat of December, 1803. In answer to whick,he
informed us, that there were no documents in the
Office which enabled him to, return any such Ae.
count, We did not apply to the Navy Board 'lo'
information respdting the sums which had been so
appropriated, as t hose transaction's are stated to have
taken place withbut the knowledge of that Board.
Lord Melville, in his examination, objeaed to
answering any question on this subject, relying on
the fifth Clause of the Ad by which we are consti.
tutcd. He also declined, and upon the same grounds,.
to :inform use whether he had derived any profit Or
adyantage- from the use or employment of money
issued tor carrying on the current service of :the
Navy, between the .tst of Jaouary, 1786, and the
pia of May, 1800 ; that is, from the time of the
operation of the Att for lodging the money in the
, , . .
Bulk to ttie time Ot his qut:cmg office.
Howevei the apprehension disclosing delicate
and confidential Iransatlions of' Government might
operate with Lord Melville in withholdinginforonaa
tion with roped to, advances to other Departments,
We do not see„ how that apprehension can at Jill
account for his refusing.to store whether he derieed
any profit or advantage from
„the, use or employment
of money issued forthe services of the Navy. If
his Lordship bad received into his hands such monies
only as were advanced by him to other Depart.
ments, and* had replaced them as anon, as they ware
repaid, he could not have derived any profit or ad.
vantage from such transactions, however repugnant
they might;be to the provision:: of the Legislature
for she sate custody of the public Inooer. A.though
we were not able to ascertain what monies Were
paid over or advanced to Lord Melville, yet, rode.;
pendeot of such advences, Mr. Trotter admits, in.
the latter part ofhis examination, that, in following
his Lordship's instruaions, or in acting in lsis. tfrairs
as his private Agent, he had occasionally laid out
for his use or benefit (rem ten to twenty thousand
pounds, without considering whether he was pre-
viously in advance to his Lordship, or whether
such advances were made groin his public or private;
balances,
Mr. Trotter not only drew money from ,the.
Bank in large sums, which lie deposited with his;
private Bankera, Messrs. Thomas Coitus and
but be also prevailed with hia t.tb.Aecrountants to
deposit the'greater part of their balances with that
house. One of them, ittdeed, the Cashier of the
Vittualling, acquiesced with reludance, haiing al-
, ways before that time kept his balance 0..14 Bank,
arid wishing still to keep it there. He stated to
us, that it was by, the.direetion of Mr. Trotter he
opened an accourit 'with Messra,,,Thomas Coutts and
Co. where he took credit for the. slum advanced 'to
him by Mr. ,Trotter's drafts en that House ; but
'that he drew out those, sitait.,as the public service
required, and kept the greater part of his balance att
the Batik, where lie deposited such SUM as were
advanced to him by drafts on-.the Bank.
• Mr. Trotter states, that between the years 17ot
and 1799 the greater part of `the nitwits drawn. by-
butts Stein the Bank ,passed through the honda of,
Messrs. Thomas.Coutts and Co.; that the .monies.
so drawn were sometimes placed to his credit its his:
account with them, and at others were carried Musics
diately to the credit of .the'repedive Sub. Account.
„TIE, and that the consent of tire Treasurer' to this
measure wai signified to ,hies in, a conversation in.
which he represented the facility that would he
afforded to theritlic business, and the additional
becarity to the 'Treasurer; by the drafts. being left
„with the Bankers, instead of their being sent 40111 e
Bank, Etna the money brought from thence, at hisi
ri,k, by the Messengers of tile Office,.
Lot& Melville states, that: he certainly sildper.
:nit Mr, Trotter to lodge any money drawn tr,sn
the Bank for public purposes in his privateliankersi
fiends during the period that it was not dementledi
for the purposes for to'illiclt it was drawn t but.it; is
.to.he inferred from kis evidence, that he intended
Mr., Trotter to draw upon the Bank for the.amoinit,
only ofassigtiments ;made on" him by.she,different,
iitlarda, .account of which is furnished' to him
and that the balance of such sum, till Armant.k
cd,, ohould alone be. lodged by Mr. Trotter in Vile
hands of his private Bankers,,. The reason given by
his. Lordship for this permission is, the opinion, diet,-
it would add more fecilit yassa.he.eonduCt of the busi•
news of the Office, its theintiftittalc of WWI partuleits
to be Jostle, than if the money were4o be itepi,nt,

:of No., 4, Martlett74ourt,, liow.;,trect,; ani

Sited, accorAing toshe-constitutihn-of the °Mee, iw
an iron chest ;
.anti`ihat the %wino, parties receiv-f.
p;iynien.ot,would he less liabk to be
posed upnri than if 'they were each to receive drafts
for hileh small snots upon the Bonk, at such a dist-.
'ance trtirrt The Unice after its removal to gunterset-.
'place. Although the larger demands upon the
Treasurer are paid'by draft, a necessity for making
the Smallpayments, in money has :always existed,
'and the looney necessary for this purpose is of c,Anz,e
drawnlrom the Bank. The sums so drawn, if cop-
veniency Only had been studied, Should have been
placed in the charge of the different Sub. Accountants,
by Whom. such demands are paid,- and, not kept in
'the,hands of the Paymaster, who is not ttdi'sbur,er.
of public Money, except that issued for the payrocnt
of Etcheiititt Fees.
With respeft to the risk of" bringing the money
"frOm the Bank, and of the loss or cinb:i7,lement of
the drafts by the Messengers of the Pay,'Ofnee, we
do 'not -find that the apprehensions entertained
on this subjed arose from the experience of former
losses,. for none are known to haveltappened.' The
opinion which we had formed of the insufficiency
of the motives assigned for the deparuire from the
.M 1 of Padiatnent- is confirmed by the inquiries
instituted, and the measures taken in consequene
thereof, 'by' the succeeding Treasurers'.
As an additional security' against the rno_
ney being drawn front the Bank for any bot public
purposes, pit is direeted by the A& of Parliament,
that in each draft shall be specified .the head of ser-
vice for which it is drawn, 'and that with Out. this
specification the draft shall not he deemed a voucher
to the Bank for the payment ; and it has been
stated to us, that this form has been Stri&ly adhered
to, and that no money has been drawn from the
Ba-k without specifying a particular .head of ser-
vice.

Such drafts might he in all cases sufficient autho."
rity 93 the Rink ; but,,whcn used by the PaYmas.
ter to draw money into his own possession, and for
other purposes thin the services speCifted, it has
been.a palpable.evasion of the MI.
Such condal in -a, person in Office appeared to us
by no means creditable ; and, if it were generally
adopted, ,might be the means of rendering in-
effeetualAll such Commissions of Inquiry as that
under which we Bet,

Mr. Antrobus chewed great disinclination to
giving us any information with respea to Mr.
Trotter'S Accounts w knout his consent ; alledging,
that the money received by Mes.srs. .Tho.-Coutts
and Co. at the Bank, on Mr. Trotter's drafti, had
been carried to. Accounts in his name as an indivi-
dual, and not in his. public capacity of• Paymaster of
the Navy ; but after Mr. Antrobus,, had taken the
opinion of Counsel as to the authority vested in
this Board, to ruquire him to'diselose the transac-
tions of Mr. Trotter with "tbs. House, as far as the
?üblic money was concernedihe submitted to ans Aer
the questions.that were put to bins orrthese points.
They accordingly laid before us the Books cot.
taining
Mr. Trotter!, Account, as Plymaster of the
Navy, from. its commencement to the time of its
being closed;
The Account, in his own name, from: the, 2.4. th of
June, 1191, to, the a 7 ih of July, iSoz; and,
~His separate, Acc,inov,:from the z 7 tit of February,,
1789, to tile Z7111:01 M 41.1190.
Ut Which. Accounts •we -caused Copies .to he
taken., They withheld the-, parti of the two 1-aSt
Accognts-prior And subsequent to the periods
tioned, and his private. Account, as not containing
entries of sums received by .Mr,,,Trotter's drafts on
the Bank. This reason for,keeping.back thus much
of the Accounts was verified by Mr.,WM. Chap.
man, their Clerk, will:examined the Accounts- for
that purpose, and produced to us list of the drafts
given by Mr. Trotter on the i ok, which,had been
catried, to his credit in the Accounts distinguished
as his own Account and his separate:Account.
The money received by Messrs. Thomas Cowie
and Co. by the drafts of Mr. Trotter on the 8.04
appears to have been money issued for, Navy. Ser.
vices, because Mr. Trotter had no-private•• Account
there, and.drew upon the Bank solely as the Agent
or Attorney of:the Titosurer of the Navy,

11 official convenience Only had been the °hied in
Opening• Accounts with Messrs. Thomas Coatis and
Co. it might have been expeaed that the public
money placed there would have been separated from
all private concerns, and kept under clear and dia.
tint heads. Instead of this obvious caution, we do
not find that even any open declaration was made
to 'the House of the nature of the property entrusted
to thein ; ana the whole of the public money, re-
ceived on account of Mr. Trotter. by his drafts on,
the Bank was placed to his private Accounts, and
so-mixed with other monies" that'the one could not
he distingnished from the
.other,; nor could it
,be-
di:x.overed, on the face of the. Accounts, from whom,
several of the sums were received, or to wit:: in
; and Mr.' Trotter himself could nut ascertain
whether eettaibiadvarices,. of money, made by him
to Lord Melville, were from his public or private.
.1: he manner of keeping Mr.
.Trottet's
A,comits je ako alsigned By Lord Melville as st
reason 1.,r Lia out being able to aniVer sonic
questions which were put him relative to the
employmerit of the ',Oahe money.
We have distingui,,hetl. in the, Accounts the sums
that were received IlyMesrtt, :Thomas Cootts and.
Co; by Mr. 'not te t'a draftti on the. Bank.
The;part of the Aceount.:render4to us, entitled
Mr.„Truttet's separate Account, contains only a
fe s' entries of moor), received by his drafts on the
Bat:k ; but the fit it.t.;y so received appears distinetly
on the face:of the Account. to have been applied to
private otrpose.;.
Although the tthly direa proof which We have,
been able to obtain of I,oblic money having been
Carried to the
.credit of Mr. 'Trotter's Accounts'
with Messrs. Tfutinril Coot tk and Co.' is by their
having received mooty upon hib dr:iffs on the Bank,
on'an insi/gtion uf 'tln: Accounts, it. wid be
';seen, that sums of such magnitude, nut received- by.
Trottet's drafts on the Bal,k, have been-
brought to hi-4 credit, as to afl,Jrki so rung presump,
tine that they were part of the money—de:
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