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've inch person in charge to one of her Majesty's.
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or such person to whom ho shall thlnk fit tod
0-„eet such warrant, in order to his being conducte
ft,-"_of the kingdom in such manner as shall be suitable
fh;- 4la character and station; and if he shall return to
s7„B kingdom after he shall have been adjudged to. de •
.#see,`"i`tt and shall have departed or been removed as afore-
did, he shall b 3 liable to be sent beyond seas, as is
101ided by an Act passed in the tenth year of the reign,
t1i143 late Majesty King G-orge IV., c. 7, in the caseo
Member
and members ot religious orders.' " The Hon.t
tat addressed the [louse in support of the motion
3? nearly half an hour, but was accompanied through-
at with such loud and incessaat cries of " Read," " lli-
o and other undefinable sounds, that not a single
leetence reached the gallery.
eati4's We understood there was no seconder to the
on,
thtord RUSSELL said ho would consume as little of
tires of the House as possible in replying to the mo-
' Iten of the Honourable Member who had just sat down.
tr(Cries of "It was not seconded.") Oh, he did not tan-
' Netatand that'. In reference, then, to the last amend-
(a of the Hon. and Learned Member for Abingdon
Sir P. Thesiger), as that point nad been already euffi-
toady argued in the House, he (Lord J. Russell) pro-
'Wised to leave the question in the hands of the law efffifi
three of the Crown to take it as a.matter of state; and he,
refore moved the omission ot the w ords relating to a
eetaon informer asking the consent of the Attorney-
neral to prosecute. •
sylit P. THESIGER said, as the question had been
Cstehtly argued, he would not occupy the time of the
''„,tlae in any further discussion upon it.
The House then divided, when there appeared--
For Lord J. Russell's motion
... 124
Against it ... ••• 1 _
75
Majority against the Government --51
s.Pon the question " that the Bill do pass," the House
"ala divided, when there appeared—
For the motion ••• ••• •.. 263
Against it ... ••• "' 46
Majority in favour of the Bill ... --217
The Bill was then passed.
kluPOn the title of the Bill, " To Prevent the Assump-
It of certain Ecclesiastical Titles in respect to Places
in
-,..the United Kingdom,"
te.'ne. H. GRATTAN had, he said, to move an amend-
eatt. Ile was in the library when he accidentally heard
°f the Bill had passed.—(Hear.) He did not complain
eetitia. He intended to have been present at the divi-
but he understood that the fullest time bad been
lete2*--(llear.) The fault, perhaps, would be said to
of"th those who ought never to have lett the House-
-100--but the Irish Members had no tear ot meeting
of 't constituents, and of giving a due account to them
wetheir conduct. The Bill that they had now passed
fiellld effect the Roman Catholics in their social cooti.
th:ef life—it would affect them in their marriages, ano
figs he submitted that there should be anotner
seli!cit° the Bill—that it should be called " A Bill to in-
tie te Catholic marriages, and to discurage
nnale Catholic religion in Ireland. I
" t was
gi
of pains and penalties, even though the
kest-erleY-General attached no importance to the
tetliunients. Such was the Bill that was passed;
k 4'3 not Ministers say that it was the fault ot the Irish
eelnibere. The Irish Members who could have voted
the? no more than 35, and the majority was 80. Hence,
led e4"tentatious defection" of the Irish Members,which
Ititi,veen referred to would not have affected the ma-
Th;;Y• The Government had not any claim upon them.
thevese who sanctioned their proceedings might laugh at
Irish Members. They might call them the "Irish
tees " and the " Pope's brass band "—they might
did them What they pleased, for he told them the Irish
the 001 care for their censare nor their vituperation, for
theY Were determined upon doing their duty, even
U net they felt that in that House they were powerless.
t4P(lo this Bill the House decided against a majority of
.i,elrish Members. It was the same with other questions.
04 telY upon one question there were 31 Irish Members on
eee side, 9 on the other. The 9 succeeded, the 31
to defeated. Upon another question there were
Irish Members on one side, 35 on the other; the 29
hoeeded, and the 35 were defeated. And on a third
Election there were 20 Irish Members on one side, and
Ron the other; the 28 were defeated, and the minority
eseeded.—(Hear.) In the course, however, that was
ipursued towards the Irish people, he saw the rea-
ttion of a threat on the part of the Government which
it.been made some time since. It was said, "that the
Catholics and Repealers should take care what they
because. if they went on as they had been dome fur
ort:e time back,. they would be handed over to the Irish
iietti,genlen." These words, he said. were spoken in the
e of Dublin, and to a person wha was at that mo-
Pirt a Member ot that House.—(Hear.) The people
the'reland said of the present Ministry that they werr
ke,inurderers of the country.—(Hear.) Such had been
ielettr duct; hut still, he said, let them not suppose
late tcon heY would put down the spirit of the Irish people,
pea they had invalidated their marriages; and to ex-
Viontzlhara to the same hardships of 'which an account
she be found in " Howard's Popery Cases," and where
ikt 'Noble Lord would see bow the Ronean C Ltholics bad
(1t„.t.1 affected by the legislation ot the Noble Lord's pre-
-114:8°r,5.---(Hear.) He trusted that tb.ey would remain
be in peace and amity, notwithstanding this Bill.
aeffti`gged leave ,now to move that the Bill should be
man(s.:l A Bill to prevent the free exercise of the Ro-
ll eettholic religion in the United Kingdom."
s•r• 1 seconded the amendment.
j. GRAHAM said he cordially concurred in the
eo..ithent which the Hon. Member who had just sat
efiewn had addressed to them. From his heart he wished
!eleitao circumstances might ever occur to shake the
,eoa between Great Britain and Ireland. Though he
le; of opinion that the commencement of this affair was
,114:,ortunate, yet the termination appeared to him more
wi::fetunate still. He had taken part in two divisions
hle his Hon. Friend in opposing and endeavouring to
ti'elst certain alterations, which had been termed amend-
,ge„'lB, of the Bill, and which gave a greater s•trin-
ier, to the Bill than the Government thought either
),h7 or desirable. Certainly, under the arrangement
tie,4l bad been made, he did expect that a full and
"Vie
Si% opportunity would be given for one. more discus,
the nu the principle of the Bill before it was sent up to
therHonse. He must say that the Speaker had
.14,4„,evere Hon. Member the fullest opportunity of ex-
the his opinion; and he took blame to himself, under
the i'atleeuler circumstances, that he had not proposed
tiphstiJeurnment of the debate, in order that still further
Cla,,,,r°rEunity might be given to those who were—not, per-
Ass' surprised at the speed with which the question
sZPat that the Bill do•ass—but absent from the divi-
lird had not returned in time. He thought the cir-
telt ittces altogether unfortunate. Still he should sug-
With.° his Hon. Friends at the other end of the House—
kit whom he cordially agreed on the subject of this
~...et,hat it would be more dignified not to take ano-
ette-utvision or to prolong the discussion of the principle
sh "e Bill, in the form of a discussion on its title. He
itteould wish them also to recollect that the further pro-
: tieA
h"' s of the Bill in its altered shape was under the guid-
and subject to the responsibility of the Government.
th.at responeibility was a grave one, and he was sure
fe:Government would feet it as such. They ought also
*li:collect what this country owed to the Noble Lord
IlkA4 respect to its civil and religious liberties. All that
Co Passed with respect to the present Bill ought,, he
I,l4llglit, to inspirenot England only, but Ireland also,
tie the hope that in the last resort its religious liberty
ellig-it still be safe under the Noble Lord, the present
147 adviser of the Crown. Under all these circum-
pee:ces, if his Hen, Friend took his advice he would not
le 1 nis amendment to a division, but would acquiesce
she Bill being now sent up to the Lords.
hißeant MURPHY hoped the House would allow
Coc to wake a few remarks in answer to the somewhat
tortPnerous attack made upon him by the Hon. Member
see,l,N,leath. Though hr had been present during the dis-
"L°he of this Bill, he had taken no part in them. The
r44Oure had been of so fluctuating a character that he
kelwaited for the third reading in order to take a con •
40„eusive and a correct view of it. He trusted the
the7nse Would hlieve that he was a sincere opponent of
446'11. As an arrangement had been made to take a
to ale on the third reading, he had com army e down prepared
eXpress his opinion on tee Bill. He cerinly had not
s lied the words from the chair, " that this Bill do pass;"
•d when he rose!'he was told he was too late. The
attack of the Hon. Member for Meath was therefore, un-
generous. The Hun. Member was familiar with the
eene of newspapers in Ireland, and he knew that, in con-
eetiaence of the course he (Sergeant Murphy) hal, pr-
o shd on this Bill, he had been maligned in a manner that
14 bad gone to the Queen's Bench for a criminal in-
at ion, he might have visited the persons who had so
thbeacked him with two years' imprisonment. To-night
toll Ron. Member and his friends had the unspeakable
th Yto walk out of the House, and thought to rid
h,!teselves of their own folly by telling the people of Ire-
-"'',l.thist he was the traitor.
G 411. GRATTAN assured the Hon. and Learned
fh?Ltlernan he was mistaken. He had never said any-
-41:13g derogatory to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's
%teeter
hale, REYNOLDS said he would have been well con-
.4l‘ if the Hon. and Learned Sergeant had confined his
prt,rice to the vindication of his own conduct. He
,411i'd not doubt his sincerity, because he recollected that
eehtn, hustings at Cork he had told the electors that he
hti"l,d not pledge himself to vote on all occasions against
6runistera; and that he thought the present Bill a mere
iaolurn fulmen (Serjeant Murphy dissented). When the
es
aubli 11. and Learned Gentleman designated their conduct
must fully—a phrase he never heard before—he
treat remind him of the way in which they had been
404,t,ed, and of the breach of faith on the part of the
efoule Lord with respect to the clause proposed by the
dietn:,slember for Athlone. He protested against being
40,s"cd to as to What course he ought to take by the
(112;": and Learned Gentleman. With respect to the
of then before the House he confessed that the request
_ot hie Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Ripon was
tte 'a; in a matter of this kind, almost a command.
and those elo acted with him owed the
tifllchit Honourable Baronet a deep debt of gra-
e for his conduct with reference to this Bill;
do" so far as he was concerned he was disposed to
teel't his advice, and to throw the responsibility on
eeeenecupiers of the Treasury bench. But he had to
der ind the Right Hon. Bsronet.that it was distinctly un-
fhesteed that by allowing the Bill to be read a third time
le_Y reserved the right to discuss it in its next stage.
entirely agreed that the conduct of the Speaker on
ifts_'scoasion was above all blame. On returning to the
kli!,u ehe and his friend found the passages choked,
~,hltwere endeavouring to force their way into the House
Thee tree question that the Bill do pass was being put.
for ,1,-`rat voice he heard was that of the Hon. Member
'Leath Claiming his right to be heard, when he was
verruled
use • The Hon. and Learned Member for Cork
fence
deafness, but on a question of such impor-
t teee",ne ought to have been more upon the watch. He
k Poirev? the responsibility of this measure of pains and
cg4ities against the free exercise of the Catholic reli-