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London, England, 1851-06-17 00:00:00

TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 17, 1851.

The Earl of MALMESBURY presented 25 peti-
tions from Lincolnshire, and other parts of the coun-
try, complaining of agricultural distress; as a conse-
quence of the repeal of the corn-laws. The Noble
Earl drew the attention of the Marquis of Lans-
downe to a remarkable statement which was made at
the recent meeting of the National Society for Edu-
cation, to the effect that in consequence of the extcnt
to which distress prevailed in the rural districts, the al).
scriptions to the National Society from those districts
had decreased one-halt: If this were true, it was a twit
important fact, and well deserved the serious and atten-
tive consideration of the Government.

The Earl of IIARDVVICKE said that the report 3 of
inspectors of schools in Norfolk and Cambridgebhire .3on-
firmed the statement cited by his Noble Friend, tha; on
account of the severity of distress in the agricultura dis-
tricts, the same amount of money as formerly coull not
be raised there.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE addressed t few
words to the [louse in reply, but tho Noble Marqiis was
totally inaudible.
Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition fron Kid-
derminster in favour of the enfranchisement d copy-
holds.

Lord BERNERS presented a petition from Leicester
complaining of agricultural distress.
The Earl of CARLISLE presented a petition from the
board of highways at Leeds against the Ratini of &aid!
Tenements Bill.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 16.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly leforo Four
o'clock.

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PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords' amendments to the St. Andriw's Railway
Bill were agreed to.
The following Bills were read a third tine:—
Bath Improvement, Markets, Waterwcyks, and Bath
Commons or Freemen's Estate.
Europesn and American Printing Telegraph Company.
lichen Bridge and Roads.
Trinity C.,llege (Dublin).
Wicklow Harbour.
Wrexham Improvement.
The Caledonian Railway (Motherwel Branch Exten-
sion and Leamahagow Branches), and the Cam Naviga-
tion (No. 2) Bids were considered anclagreed to.
PETITIONS.
Mr. DUNCAN presented a petiticn from Dundee in
favour of the Ecclesiastical Titles Lill; also a petition
from the same place, praying for tie abolition of uni.
versity tests.
Sir R. INGLIS presented a petition from the General
Assembly of the Church of Scofand against Pupal
aggression.

-Mr. A. HASTIE presented a peitioa from Paisley to
Ihe same effect.

Mr. IL BAILLIE presented a )etition from the Ile
of Skye in favour of Lord Nass's Ell relative to British
spirits in bond.

Mr. ANSTEY presented a petition agreed to at a
public meeting at Van Diemen', Land, praying that
transportation to that colony aid Australia might be
abolibbed.

Mr. COBDEN presented a 3tition from the West
Riding of Yorkshire against tae Ecclesiastical Titles
Bill.

Mr. HUNIE presented two petitions from Montrose,
one in favour of the abolition of university tests, and the
other against the Bill for regilating public- houses in
Scotland; also a petitio❑ from Worcestershire in favour
of international arbitration.
Mr. DUNCONIBE presented a petition from Ber-
mondsey, praying that steps night be taken to obtain
the liberation of the Hungarian refugees in the Turkish
empire.

Lord NAAS presented several petitions from Dublin
and other places in Ireland, praying that the duty on
boms-made spirits might be levied in the same way as
on foreign spirits.
Mr. BANKES presented a petition from the electors
of Ilarwich, complaining of undae Government influence
being exercised at the last election for that borough,
and praying for inquiry. The petition was read at the
table, and the Hon. Member gave notice that he would
to-morrow move that it be printed with the votes, in
order that he might found a motion upon it.
Mr. SPOONER presented a petition from a person
in Warwickshire against the Hundred Courts in that
county.

FOREIGN TARIFFS.
In reply to Mr. ANSTEY,
Mr. LA BOUCHERE said copies of foreign tariffs had
been received from the different British consuls abroad,
but they were of a very voluminous charaoter and had
to be translated into English. The Government had
thought it right to authoriso the consuls to incur a small
expense in getting them translated, and as soon as the
documents were ready there would be no objection to
lay them before the Hou.e.

PETITIONS.
Mr. COWAN presented a petition from the General
assembly of the Free Church of Scotllnd, in favour of
the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill; also a petition from Edin-
burgh, praying for the abolition of the annuity tax in
that city.
Sir G. GREY presented a petition from the inha-
bitants of Southwark in favour of the Government
Water Bill.

Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from Manchester
against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill.
RAILWAY ACCIDENTS.
Lord NAAS gave notice that he would to-morrow ask
whether it was the intention of the Government to intro-
duce a Bid this session fur the better prevention of rail-
way accldent3.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
In reply to a question from Mr. DISH A E LI,
Sir GEORGE GREY said that he had no objection
that for the future public business should commence at
half-past four.

MERCANTILE MARINE BILL.
In reply to a question from Mr. SANDARS,
Mr. LABOUCIIERE said that a Bill to amend
certain parts of the Mercantile Marino Act of last se,sio❑
had been prepared, and would be introduced as soon as
possible.

H UDES.
Mr. BRIGHTSCOT wishedC to JknowG whether the Noble
Lord at the head of her Majesty's Government intended
to fill up the vacancy which bad just occurred in the
Scotch judical bench, or whether he meant to follow up
the recommendation of the Commir tee on official salaries
which was, that the number of Scotch judges should be
diminished ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that when he was Home
Secretary he had been instrumental in tho appointment
of a Committee to inquire into this subject, which had
come to the decision that it was not expedient to reduce
the number of Scotch judges; the Committee of last
year certainly came to a diff,rent conclusion; but he
believed,. from inquiries that had been since made, that
the weight of evidence inclined to the opinion that a re-
duction could not be judiciously made.
CASE OF MR. WARD AT THE CARACCAS.
In reply to a Question from Mr. DISRAELI,
Lord PALMERSTON said that the case
of Mr.
Ward, the British merchant who had been ill-treated by
the Venezuelan Government, was under the considera-
tion of her Majesty's Government, and ho could assure
the House that he should look into the case with the
fullest desire to do justice between Mr. Ward and the
Vent zuelan Government, and that whatever was thought
to be fairly and justly due would be expected to be paid
by the Venezuelan Government.
HUNGARIAN REFUGEES.
Mr. URQUHART rose to put a question to the Noble
Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs respecting the
Hungarian refugees who had arrived in this country—
whether their liberty of departure from Turkey had been
accompanied by the condition of their non-return to that
country, and whether the British Government bad been
a party to the imposition of that condition?
Lord PALMERSTON said he had no positive know-
ledge of the conditions which had been attached
to the pernnision granted to the refugees to leave
Turkey; but he bad reason to believe that permission
had certainly been granted on the understanding that
the refugees would not return to Turkey. As far as
the Polish refugees were concerned, it was quite clear
that that condition was in perfect conformity with the
treaties existing between Turkey and Russia, and indeed
with regard to the whole of them it was evident that
Turkey would not be justified in allowing
herself to be made into a place from which
attacks could be made by refugees on her ad-
joining neighbours. The British Government had not
been consulted on the subject of these conditions, but the
advice always given, from the time of the very first de-
mand made on Turkey by Russia for thedelivering up
of the refugees, was that she should cut
.short ell the
embarrassing questions arising out of the interpretation
of treaties by sending them sway from her dominions.
UNIVERSITY COMMISSION.
Mr. JOHN STUART asked Lord John Russell
whether it was the intention of the Government
to recommend that proceedings under the University
Commission be auspend.d until the decision by the
proper tribunal be pronounced on the petition which had
been presented to her Majesty in Council by the :Uni-
versity of Oxford, complaining of the illtgality of the
Commission, and praying that it might be recalled?
Lord J. RUSSELL said it was not the intention of
the Government to suspend the inquiry until the lega-
lity of the commissi,n was determined.
REMOVAL OF SMI I'HFIELD MARKET BILL.
Sir U. GREY intimated that, in consequence of the
absence of Sir James Duke, he should postpone this
Bill, which was fixed for to-morrow, until twelve on
Thursday.
DISTRESS IN THE HIGHLANDS.

meat
load already to pass, notwithstanding
come the vote which the the residences of other ministers in Paris. If the Hon.
House lea
dut t`'. He should, there- Member the to swisfy his conscience by supposing
fore, feel it his yto ask the House to reconsider that the change to a republican government had lessened
the financial policy of the Government which had been , the expose of living iu Paris, he would find himself
introduced to their notice, under circumstances so ea- ; mistaken. He had been told by several gentlemen who
tirely different to those which now existed. He wished I had come over here to our Exhibition, that there never
the Government to appoint a day when a calm, dispel- I was a winter in which the style of living in Paris was
sionate, and strictly financial discussion might be taken I so expensive as that which had just elapsed, and that so
on the subject to which he referred.
1 far from a republican form of government having les-
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Government were not tamed the expenditure of social life, there had never
prepared to fix a day fur the discussion, but if the Hon, been so much of what the French call luxe as in the past
Gentleman gave notice of any resolutions which he in- year.
tended to propose when the Bills were committed on Mr. BRIGHT said that those who bad opposed the
Thursday next, they would be prepared to meet it on that reduction of the salary had done so on the ground that it
day.
would be impossible for the Minister to live in his pre.
After some observations from the CHANCELLOR of the sent house with a less salary than 10,000/. He bad ex.
EXCHEQUER and Mr. DisRAELI,
pressed an opinion that the better course would have
Mr. NE WDEGATE intimated that it was his inter-
been to fix the salary in the first instance, and to allow
tion to oppose the Bill, and recommended the Govern- the ambassador to suit himself with a house according
principle which was involved.
went to appoint a day for taking a discussion on the to it. He believed that for many years the embassy at
Mr. HUME said
Paris had not cost less than 14,0001. a year, and that
ciple of the Bill, it ought if Mr. Disraeli objected to the
taken now. p vin-
ciple the services might have been done for half that sum.
to be This being Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not give an opinion in
a fiscal measure of considerable importance, he had heard amour of' 10,000/. as the salary. After the Committee
serious complaint: at the great delay which had taken had decided on maintaining' the embassy he had con-
taken place in its passage through the House,
curred in the proposal of 8,000/.
Mr. DISRAELI said he did not wish to oppose the Colonel SIBTHORP said the discu-sion showed that
Bill on any commerciel principle, but he thought it was the Government, though they professed economy, did
expsdieat that the House should c msider whether it was not taro fur it any more than the Secretary of bade
prudent to diminish the permanent sources of the public eared for his Peace Bill the other night.—(A laugh.)
revenue.
He (Colonel Siathorp) would always be in favour of the
The Bill was then reed a second time, and ordered to Sovereign having every necessary comfort and suitable
be committed on Monday.
appendage; but he believed the public money was ex-
INHABITED HOUSE DUTY BILL. pended without any rare for economy, or any knowledge
After some observations from Mr. W. WILLIAMS, either of the Sovereign or the persona composing those
this Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be corn. departments on which the outlay took place. If 7 the
Knitted on Monday.
Hon. Member for alontrose—the father of economy--
SUPPLY.
moved for any reasonable reduction, provided he did
The House then went into Committee of Supply. not interfere with the enjoyment of the Sovereign, h©
On the vote for 97,7471 being proposed for defraying should have his humble support.
the expense of maintaining and repairing the royal Lord DUNCAN wished to know why the item for
palaces,. and for supplying water,
furniture was Larger in the Woods and Forests office
Mr. W. WILLIAMS objected to it, on the ground than say of the other public offices? In thst office it
that it wee wait,- ful and extravagant.
was 978/., while in the Home Office it was only 1231.,
Mr. HUME put uquestion on behalf of those persons and in the Foreign Office 307/.
from whom he had formerly presented petitions, whether Lord SEY alifUß was understood toe ay that an addi-
it was intended to make the new ride opened in Ken- tion had been lately made to the office for a Commit,
sington gardens a perpetual innovation, or whether it sioner, and that had caused increased expense.
would cease with the Exhibition?
Lord DUNCAN asked was the addition necessary?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the ride had only Lord SEYMOUR replied that it was, and had been a
been opened for the Exhibition season, and would be great convenience,
closed when the Exhibition was over.
Mr. V. SMI ru did not agree with the Hon. Member
Mr. HUME contended that the estimates ought to be for Montrose that it would be any advantage to refer
submitted to a separate Committee before being brought these votes annually to a Committee of that House. If
before to House. Thee stimates amounted to 3,900,0001, they had no proper power of examination, of course they
and he contended that a great portion of them ought not could not report, and, therefore, there would be no use
to be brought before the public. Take, for inetance, the iia referring them to a Committee who could only re-
vote of 6,600/. fur Frogmore Palace—that he objected to, commend a better arrangement. There were a good
as be else bad objected to the vote for building stables many items in that vote which he would wish to see
for the accommodation of a youug man who might never separate. There was one, for instance, a vote of 3,950/.
live to occupy them. Then, again, there was a vote to for a staircase for the farm-house at Kew. That and
the Duchess of Kent for alterations of foreing-housee, others he would like to see as separate items.
which was, of course, a matter adapted for luxurious en- Mr. HASTIE complained that the vote for the Cathe-
joyment. The Duchess of Kent had a very liberal deal of Glasgow was too small, and thought that one oi
allowance from the people, and therefore the people the most perfect ornaments in Scotland ought to be put
ought not to be further taxed for alterations of her form- in complete order.
ing-houses. It was the Treasury which sanctioned these Lord SEYMOUR said only a small portion of the vote
grants, and the House ought, theretore, to keep a watch- referred to—say about 1,000a—was intended for the
ful eye over Treasury complaisance. He aleo objected staircase at Kew; and that had been rendered necessary
to the vote for Hampton Court Palace, stables, and otit- by the great number of visitors who went there, to whom
houses, 7,500/. The public ought not to be called upon an additional staircase was a great convenience. The
to use for the accommodation of individuals! He asked chief of the item was for a house for the Victoria Regina
the 'Treasury to act on some kind of principle in these —(Laughter)—and some other plants of great magnitude.
, Mr. BANKES thought some explanation ought to be
matters. Then, with respect to the Knights of Windsor
an estate was left to defray expenses of the buildings given whysuehan enormous sum wasnecessary fora house
and maintenance of the Knights of Windsor. What for a single plant. Ile wished to ask the Noble Lord
had become of that estate? He understood the Dean whether a house in Whitehall, the property of the
and Chapter of St. George had got hold of the estate and Crown, ws to be devoted to his office, and what was
diverted the funds to other purposes. If that estate was the rent oast,f as well as other houses similarly circutn-
left for the purposes of the Knights of Windsor, it was stanced ?
a robbery on the public to come to that House and Lord SEYMOUR referred the Hon. Member to page
ask for votes of public money for purposes that ought 7on the estimates, where he would find all the infurnea-
to be defrayed from the source he had referred tot tion h© wanted.
He saw no chars© for Richmond Park in the estimates Lord DUNCAN thought it was inexpedient to devote
of this year. He wished to know whether some restric- houses, the Crown property, to such uses.
lions had not lately been put on persons visiting that Mr. HUME asked whether these houses were for offi-
park. There was a charge for Greenwich Park, which cials to live (No, no.) Then it would be best to
he did not object to, fur whatever might have been its sell them at once. He could assure the Noble Lord that
former state, he believed it was now kept in excellent he had read over the estimates carefully, whether the
order. A charge was made for repairs of the Univerai- Noble Lord did so or not. 'There were 21,00 W. for Royal
ties of Aberdeen and Sr. Andrew's. He should like to palaces in the personal occupation of the Sovereign, and
know whether the repairs were for the public buildings 20,000/. for palaces not in her occupation; making a
or for the privet© residences of the professors? There total, as he had stated, of 41,000/, on that one item.
was another item which seemed strangely out of place, This was the only country in the world in which the es-
under the head of Scotland as It was, of a sum of finales were not examined annually. They did so in
8401. for lighting and water connected with the British France, Belgium, America, and, in fact, in almost every
Ambassadors house at Paris. He trusted that before country he could name. He maintained that every one
next session a Committee would be appointed to consider of the estimates ought to have been submitted to a Com-
the details of these estimates.
mittee of the House before they were brought forward.
Lord J. RUSSELL said it was rather difficult to It the Government were not-afraid of an examination be-
satisfy the Hon. Gentleman. Some years ago the corn. fore such a Committee, why should they object to it?
plaint used to be that so much money was voted for the The Chancellor of the Exchequer ought to go to Bel-
au:ay, navy, and ordnance Purposes, arid so little for the gium, as he (Mr. Hume) had done, and be present while
purposes of science and education. A great change had the Chamber went through the public accounts of the
been made in that respect, and large sums were now year, and he could not fail to profit by it.—(Laughter.)
yearly voted for education, for scientific establishments, Colonel SALWEY said the expense of supplying
and for parks and gardens for the recreation of the water for the use of Windsor Castle had been annually
public, and yet the Hon. Gentleman came down and ccm- very great since 1849. In that year 6 500/. and 1,0004
plaiued of the large increase in the miscellaneous had been voted; in 1850, 5,900 e; in 1851, 8,000/. and
estimates, Now, although the miscellaneous estimates 3,700/. In all the items, which he would not go over,
of this year contained an item of 130,00 W. for the ex- the surn of 34,153/, had been voted. Now, he
pense of taking the census, they were 117,000/. below wished to know whether that expenditure was still to
the estimates of last year. lie thought the lion. Mem- go on, or whether there was any chance of its coming
bet had not paid that attention which he was wont to do to an end?
to matters connected with the estimates, fur he bad Lord aEYMOUR said the expenditure had been re-
talked of the sum of 2,615/. being required for the cessary in consequence of the magnitude and difficulty (,f
garden of the Duchess of Bent at Frogniore. The the storks, and the construction of reservoirs on high
don, Mt rater had forgotten that some years ago, when grounds in the neiehbourhoocl.
the royal table was furnished with vegetables and fruits Colonel SALW EY said be wished to say a few words
from three or four different gardens, it was deemed dee- w‘viitohdrseasrp,eacat
haeo tshaewpaonsitiitoonta of
5t5h0./.Mdioliwtanryfoiritnhigehretspaoirf
sirable to establish one garden capable of furnishing
supply, rather than to keep up three or tom. kitchen of their houses. There never Was
a more scandalous
gardens in different places, each producing the same abase of a charitable institution than had taken place
kind of fruit and the same kind of vegetables at the in the case of these pensioners, fur the funded property
same season, and therefore causing a consideraible ex-Ia isleti aside by the founders of the charity for their use
pense, and, to a certain extent, a uselessd supply,a u been appropriated for their own benefit by the
stead of these Lord 13, sburough propose that large- Dean and canons of Windsor, and now the repairs of
kitchen-garden should be formed atlFrogmo.re,
_and that their residences were thrown on the public. Notwith-
it should he the only kitchen-garden or the supply of the standing that certain lands had been set apart for the
Castle. The whole' amount was 2,6151., and it wee taken maintenance and lodging of these military knights
on account of the different palaces occupied by her Ala- by one of the Edwards, by EiizAbeth, and Jamas I ,
Hon. Gentleman wished a Commitee to ex- which were managed by the Dean and chapter of Wind-
jaeinsitYn; thleldeetails of the vote,
.and.to satiny themselves s.or, they only received le. a day as their pay. Over
that there was a necessity for widening the two hothouses 500 years age, Edward 111. had established that charity
referred to, and that the gardener was justified in say- as are .and for the soldiers who had followed him in his
I • g that there was not a eufficient supply of early wars. In an evil hour, however, the institution had been
' potatoes,th or that there should be more grapes and placed under the control of the Dean and canons of
poaches.—(A laugh.) None of the expense was in- Windsor, and while these revenues had increased ten-
The on account of the Duchess o fKent.. The only fold, these unfortunate men had been left with a pittance
haccount of the Dueness of Kent was a sum of of Ist a day, and even their houses were nit repaired.
gefo(rmt 0 repair of Frogneere House. He could not As he would have to brine forward a motion on this
u6eghsleir'e with the Hen. Gentleman that it would be deeir- subject in a few days, he would not then enter into the
have a Committee every year to examine those question more fully, but would merely move that the vote
he House was aware of the principle on which of 550/. for the repair of' the houses be disallowed on the
iatbemies,taos t • Of late years great accommo- estimates, the estimate was framed.
taiosuthoenrithonat, subject
eet Gallant
(,on
TMueems
dbaeyr
dation had been afforded to thgearpdue.bnlsi.c act.llooasmidpetroantdCeoeuxr-t
waSsitraGia.tGroßdaEcYo
asamido,
for instance; but it next, be would not then enter upon its discu-sion ; but he
P
as was shown by the number of would say that if they disallowed that vote, these poor
Go:tor:lee nh sa,d
was not thrown away, .
abnedenotihnecrueirted"alt Kew,
persona who had resortednd tor enjoyment to the Botanical knights would have to pay the amount out of their own
which had not only been admi- pockets.
Gardens
leadanodugaroubat were also admirably kept iu order, Colonel SALWEY denied that they would have to
onhad . been presented from
IranbliYB4l the number of visitors was 9 164, and last Sear Fay the amount. A etiti
r denouncing that matter as a
it was upwards of 179,000.—(Hear.) With regard to the electors of WindPso
gross job upon the public resources, and calling
_ . tor the
the keepers interference of warliament.
children rid- Sir G. GREY sail of' course he meant the knights
yearsago.had
dn
had directed that would be res ,nsible if t
ayss,sboumt the present ranger . p
he houses were repaired at all,
ins on
those restrictions should be done away with. As far as But with regard to the general question it was entirely
madethere,d o eon©ky'e' restrictions
his observation extended, Richmond Park was at pro- a legal one. The opinions of Sir W. Follett and the
sent a greater source of enjoyment than it had ever been
Gpr,eivseernnttaCit?nat'fhJaudsntiocecoonrotphQeteqouoeysttiooniohteardfebreeena,t ,that the
recollection.
of the Commissioners pp was to e substantiated, a court of law was the
a rioted the claim s b
SALWEY did not think it was legal
wimthrin.
EhiL'sLreiccoElle,
to inquire into the subject of
confirmed
egdarwdehnast ahtacithleatibeen- placcoelotooodloso.
ginning of the present reign,.
s aques-
from the Noble Lord on the subject,
tion, but one tor Parliament and Government to take up.
Colonel SALWEY did not rise to oppose the first He would ask, was there any objection to lay those legal
item, but wished to know by whose advice the lion opiniene referrer] to on the table of the House?
and the unicorn had been placed in their present po- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought,
dayeition in front of BurkinghaM Palace. Only the other as a discussion wee to take place on the subject in a few
he saw two foreigners highly amused at the figures. days, it ought not to bo continued then.
Lord SEYIIOUR said that the figures were made by Colonel sALWEY said he would divide the Corn.'
the same person who had made and put up the figures in mittee On the question.
the New Houses of Parliament.— (A laugh') Knowing Mr. HUME thought it was the duty of the Govern-
ey had been entrusted to a parson of such
.expe- ment to look after the case, and that his Hon. Friend
rtlieantetehhe had not interfered either in the formation or was right in the course be proposed to take.
in the placing of them.
Colonel SALWEY said they had voted a total of no
Mr. WILLIAMS called the attention of the Cora- less than 9,286/, fur that purpose since 1841, and he
mittee to the increase in the miscellaneous estimates of would therefore take the
opinion of the Committee on
thin
year. The same branch of expenditure under the the item,
D‘ike of Wellington's Government, in 1830, was Sir J. GRAHAM was not prepared for a discussion on
1,950 0001; under Lord Grey's Government, iu 1833, it that subject, but he wished briefly to state the reasons ot
was 2,007,0004; under Lord Melbourne's Government, in the vote he would give if a division took place. That
1834. it was 2,061'0,001'; under Sir R. Peers, in 1835, question required the careful attention of the Committee.
2,144.0001.; and this year it was 3,948.00a—double the No doubt the object was to benefit the officers who were
aa:penratsg.e amount of the lour preceding Govern- the recipients of the bounty of that charitable institution.
He wished to know why the public should b© —(Hear.) It was a b,nevolent establishment to provide
taxed for the repair of such places as Arbroath Abbey an honourable retreat fur defer
men, and he did not
and Glasgow Cathedral. He also wished some explana. think in the distribution of its rewards that anythiag in
tion of a new item of 41,8291. for royal parks and public the nature of patronage bad been exercised. It was her
gardens. In One place a charge was made of' 69/ 9s. 2,1. Majest's instructions that due reference should be made
tor the repair of the office of the Ecclesiastical Commis- in all cases to the Horse Guards, and the Commander-
sion, and in another place another charge of Sill. for io.chier before an appointment took place to the insti-
tution. When he was Secretary of State for tehehaHpitoemre.
the same purpose.
The CH ANCELLORof the EXCHEQUER reminded Department, that case bad been brought under his cone
the Hon. Meatiest. that the miscellaneous estimates had sidera'ion, flied his first impression was favourable to the
hadva
rli bestowed
m ent.
been increased in contoauence of the wish of the House Knights of Windsor, and against the Dean and
to include in them yowl hitherto kept distinct. For in- He had accordingly directed a roper
gstiavteenrnaenetopoiftlitohne
stance, there was a sum of 300,000/. for education and whole facts of the case to be laid before the law officers
likewise 300,0004 and 400,000/. for criminal prosecutions. of the Crown, and the late Sir W. Fbuellfeotrte
With respect to the item of 41,829/. it was now included great attention on. the matter, and had
for the first time in the estimates, instead of being de- on it. He (Sir J. Graham) did not think it
frayed out of the land revenue,
was usual to lay pinions
Lord DUNCAN confirmed the statement of the Chan- His recollection of thatopeion, k
...owever, was, thata no
npigehants,aansri there was no
cellos of the Exchequer, and called the attention of the claim at law could be substantiated against the Dean
Hun. Member for Lambeth to a foot note in the esti.. and Chapter of Windsur.—(llear, hear.) Now if
setoucopmonpethl
mates, which intimated that there would be a corre- that were so, what were they to du? They would throw'
Power in
spending increase in the amount of the land revenue paid
tthhoecerxopwenn
Chapter to repair the
into the Exchequer.
ethke
Mr. BRIGHT wished for some explanation of the hou supposing the motion to be carried. Under all
charge of se le fur the ambassador's house at Pavia, One theses,ircstances of the case, he should he obliged to
of the arguments used before the Committee for not re- -rote egainst the motion of the Hon. and Gallant Gentle-
clueing the salery to 5 000/. was that the house was so man.—(Hear, hear.)
large as to require 2,000/. a year to be expended upon Colonel SA.LWEY said, as he would have another
I. fie had been told that the hour® had cost 60,000/. opportunity soon ef bringing the matter forward, ho
35 years ago, and that it had since cost this country would hot then put the Committee to the trouble of a
120,00 W. at the least. If, as he had been told, the house i divadan.
was much larger than was necessary, it would be better i The motion was then negatived without a division, and
to self it and rent a smaller one.
I the voto was agreed to.
Lord PALMERSTON believed that if tbo Hens A `was
of
vela 41,829/. havin b reposed for the main-
Member had his own way there would be no embassy at ; tenance and repair ol f
arrti,sg, toeeontpPaths, Scc., and other
all in Paris. He had stated his opinion to the Cons- charges in the
mittee that wood was much too small an allowance for I Lord DUNCAN'spsid he did not complain of the vote;
; and it had been fluahe '-
the representative of her Majesty at Paris. The salary ' but he wished to know why Hampton Court-park,
had, however, been reduced to 8,000/.
proposed at various
- times to lessen the expense bysell- ItheP '.
ark and Richmond-park were not included
, among others in that case.
at Paris
the fact was, a I Lord SEYMOUR said that the expenses of those
Briuotuld sell for little ' parks were not considerable, and bad merely been iu-
or nothing, although the rent of
hinogustehelikheouosueraanmd braesnstaindgora'sn
a similar house would curred for keeping up the roads. Those expenses should,
amount to a considerable sum. r
,t was ti, mistake to however, be included in the vote for the future.
suppose that the house was either larger or better than j Lord DUNCAN said, his Noble Friend tuubt ban 13aL5'

Colonel SALWEY did not want to have it open to
omnibuses.
Lerd J. RUSSELL could not see why omnibuses
should be exeludel from the road any more than caber
if it were to be op:-wed to the public generally.
Colonel SA.LWEY only asked tor the same indulgence
in that case which had been granted in the case of the
Bird Cage-walk, where cabs, but not omnibuses, were
allowed to pass.
The vote was then azreed to.
A vote of 3.5291. having been proposed for the hire of
temporary Comnaittee•rooms, and for the temporary,
residences of officers of the House.
Mr. HUME slid he saw that a sum of 1,2001. was
charged for warnsirg and ventilating the House of Com-
mons,
and a similar sum for cleaning it. Now he could
not help thinking that these were excessive charges.
EWAR esaid he believed they should continue
to pay a large sum for cleaning the House as long .1 they had it warmed from beneath the floor instead of
from above it. The House of Lords was warmed from
above, and there was therefore no expense there for
cleaning.
Mr. BRIGHT said it appeared to him that a sum of
5001. a year was an excessive one for the rent of
house for their clerk. He believed there were mans
gentlemen of large fortune who occupied less expensive
houses.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be
believed it would be d,fficult to obtain a furnished house
in the vicinity of the houses of Parliament for less than
5001. a year.
The vote was then agreed to.
The vote of 3,5291. for the temporary accommodation
of the two Houses of Parliament was agreed to.
On the vote of 116,3851. for the works of the new
Houses of Parliament,
Viscount DUNCAN asked why they had not sat in
their new House since the Whitsun recess, as had been
expected; and if there was any prospect at all of their
ever sitting there?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
it would bo desirable to have one or two sittings in the
new House in order to see how the arrangements had
been made; but be did not anticipate that they would be
able to occupy it during the present session.
Mr. HUME said if his advice had been listened to
five years ago, and Mr. Barry removed, the House
would have been finished by this time. For his own
part, he had abandoned all hope. Roofs seemed to be
put up only fur the purpose of being taken down again,
and the architect had set them at defiance. But he
blamed the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Go-
vernment, for it was they who were responsible. They
would have expended very Leanly 2,000,0001. money,
and there would not be an apartment in the whole build-
ing fit for the purpose for which it was designed. In
every Committee-room they would be obliged to con-
struct a new roof, and thus make an entresol, or it
would be impossible to hear. Were they to be treated
like children by one individual, who had shown such
utter incapacity ? Every day something new was
started, and unless they got rid of Mr. Barry they would
have yat:aresh.anee of seeing the works finished tor the neat
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER de-
nied that he was in any way responsible for the build-
ing. It was the work or Parliament, who appointed a
Committee, which settled the scheme and plan. Go-
vernment was only responsible fur carrying out the
plan as well as they could. The alterations bad the
sanction of the Committee, and were admitted to be great
improvernements.
Air. WA WN could not allow the Government to
shift their legiiim de responsibility on to a Committee.
The vote was then agreed to.
The vote of 7,000/. fur a repository for public records
was agreed to.
On the vote of 61,4811. for the new packet harbour
and harbour of refuge at Holyhead, Sce.,
Colonel DUNNE thought it extremely dobbtful whe-
ther these works would answer the purpose for which
they were intended. It was moreover stated on the au-
thority of some of the best engineers that it would take
from 1.800,000/. to 2,000.0001. to complete the harbour.
No donut it would answer as s packet station; hut was it
prudent to incur such cost when it was extremely doubt-
ful whether after all it could be wade available as a har-
bour of refuge?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did
not know how more pains could have been taken to as-
certain the fitness of the situation. The matter had
been inve atieatcd by three or four Commissices and two
or three Committees, and the result of their inquiries
was a unanimous recommendation of the plan, which had
since been acted upon. 110 shuuld have no objection to
inquiry, if any good could recut from it; but after so
thorough an investigation it would be a waste of money
to institute further inquiries.. lie believed that the works
were going on in a very satisfactory manner; and, as
tar y had gone, were rather below than above the
estimate.

Mr. F. FRENCH sad the merchants of Liverpool
objected to the formation of a harbour of refuge at that
point. For his own part, he contested he thought that
those who represmed Irish constituencies were particu-
larly interested in the question; for he believed that this
scheme was bolstered up by certain parties to deprive
Ireland of the natural advantages which she possessed as
a point of departure for America.
Oil' L Z DAIILNCi mid ill 1647 Jima had bees s