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oble Lord had contended that there was no wish what-
Ater for such a change—_
Lord ALTHORP observed that what he said was, that
be was persuaded the general feeling in the country was
against any such change.
Mr. HUME, in conclesion, expressed his conviction
that ere long the Noble Lord would find that he had been
deceived on that point.
Mr. ESTCOURT admitted that, to a certain extent,
there was such a feeling in the country as that described
by the Hon. Member for Middlesex; hut attributed it to
the lessons which the people had received from most un-
worthy and enjuetiflable instructors. With respect to the
amendment, the Hon. Mover of it was entirely mis'aken
in one respect, for he seemed to consit-r that the right of
the Bishops to sit in the House of Peers was founded nut
on consideration of public good, but on persenal consi.
derationa merely. That was a great error. The Hon.
Member proposed that the right should cease as those who
at present enjoyed it dropped off. Now he (Mr. Estcourt)
agreed with the Hon. Membet for Middlesex, ill it if it
was unfit that the Bishops should sit in the House of
Peers, the best course would be, instead of allowing them
to die of, as the Hon. Mover of the amendment pro-
posed, to sweep them all away at at once. The Hon.
Mover of the amendment treated the subject as if it
were one of mere personal gratification to the Bishops
themselves. Now that was not the view taken of it by
the Act of Unions The Act of Union provided that the
representatives of the Irish episcopacy should sit in the
House of Peers for the public benefit, not for their own
personal gratification. If the Irish Bishops were to be
excluded, there could be no reason why the Irish Lay
Lords should not be excluded also. Perhaps the Hon.
Member would include them in his proposition. They
stood upon an equal footing. They all sat in the House
of Peers, not for their own gratification, but for the pub-
lic benefit.
Mr. GISBORNE recommended the Hon. Member for
Huntingdon to withdraw his amendment. Of this he
was quite sure, that by dividing the Committee upon it,
the Hon. Member would not do justice to himself. He
himself (Mr. Gisborne), although he would not say what
his opinions might be if the question were brought sepa-
rately and distinctly under die consideration of Parlia-
ment, could not vote for the proposition thus irregularly
introduced.
Mr. PRYME briefly replied to the arguments which
bad been urged against his proposition; but, as he found
that the sense of the House was against its being brought
forward in its present shape, expressed his disposition to
withdraw it.
Mr. SHAW protested against the argument of the
Hon. Member for Middlesex, by which the Act of Union
was treated as if it were an ordinary Act of Parliament,
and maintained that it could not be violated without
leaving all the parties to it as free as they were before
they agreed to it. If the Act of Union were broken, he,
as an Irishman, would refuse to join in legislation until
the question of union were again referred to Ireland
as a national question. Should the doctrines of
the Hon. Member for Middlesex be maintained, they
would do more to shake the Union between this country
and Ireland than all the proceedings of the Hon. and
Learned Member for Dublin. There was much mole of
n itional feeling than the House seemed to be aware of;
end he confessed that lie thought it was unfortunate that
the consideration of the proceedings respecting the Irish
Church should be chosen as the opportunity of treating
the Act of Union lightly.
The amendment being withdrawn, the clause was
agreed to; as were also clauses 43 and 44.
After some verbal amendments, the 45th clause was
agreed to.
The 46th and 47th were agreed to without observation.
The 48th clause to the 53d inclusive were, after a slight
but uninteresting discussion, agreed to.
The 54th clause was, on the motion of Lord AL-
THORP, postponed ; the 55th was agreed to ; and the
56th was, on the motion, we believe, of Mr. F. SHAW,
postponed.
Clauses 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, and 63 were then, as
amended, agreed to.
Clause 64 was postponed.
Clauses 65, 66, 67, and-68 were agreed to.
Clauses 69 to 90 were then agreed to, and the Chair-
man having reported progress, obtained leave to sit again
to-day.

THE NATIONAL DEBT BILL.
Lord ALTHORP moved that the House should resolve
itself into a Committee on this Bill.

On the question that the Speaker do leave the chair,
Mr. PEASE asked the Noble Lord if there was any
foundation for the report that he had abandoned his in-
tention of proceeding with the proposed Bill for regulating
country banks, daring the present session ?
Lord ALTIIORP replied, that it was his decided inten-
tion to press both Bills through during the present session.
Mr. PEASE also wished to know if it was the Noble
Lord's intention to require from private bankers, either
issuing their own paper or Bank of England notes, a cer-
tain investment in Government or other approved se-
curities, in like manner as had hew proposed in the case
of joint stock banks?

Lord ALTHORP had no intention of interfering with
private banks. The only direct interference with respect
to them he contemplated, was to compel them to corup:und
for their stamp duties.

Mr. STRUTT inquired what the Noble Lord's motive
was for placing joint stock banks in so unfavourable a
position as regarded investment of securities in relation to
private hanks.
Lord ALTHORP, in reply, said, that it would be in-
convenient then to give the explanation required by the
Hon. Gentleman, but when the proper time arrived, it
should br furnished to the nous?.

Mr. STRUTI' had made the inquiry from no curiosity
of his own, hut rather because of the interest that it as
generally felt on the subject.
The House then went into Committee, and the Bill
passed through, and was committed.
. .

- The Spi4A, Wine, and B-er (Ireland), and Notaries'
Public 1111 s, were respectively read a second time, and
ordered to be committed on Friday,

APOTHECARIES BILL.
Mr. G. LAMB, in moving the second reading of this
Bill, said that he would not have brought it forward at
that late hour, if he bad thought it would lead to any
discussion. There were several amendments, however,
agreed upon by the different parties connected with this
Bill ; and he, therefore, should only propose the second
reading of it, and commit it proforma.
The Bill was then accordingly read a second time, com-
mitted pro forma, and the report was ordered to be taken
into further consideration on Monday next.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned at a quarter before two o'clock.

LIST OF THA
Who, on the 18th of June, v
leave to bring in a Bill to
form Act which requires t!
by electors previous to du
qualififd to vote.

ENGLAND.
Bish, Tl,omas—Leominster
Buckingham, J. S.—Sheffield
Evans, Colonel—Westminster
Fenton, John—Rochdale
Fielden, John—Oldham
Fryer, R.—Wolverhampton
Gisborne, T.—North Derbysh.
Hume, Joseph—Middlesex 1
Molesworth, Sir William—East

E MINORITY,
vote,/ with Colonel Evans for
repeal that part of the Re-
!' e payment of rates and taxes
teir being registered as duly

ENGLAND.
Rippon, C.—Gateshead
Warburton, H.—Bridport
Williams, C.i.—Ashton

IRELAND.
Blake, M. J.—Galway Co.
Butler, Hon. P.—Kilkenny Co,
Barron, P.—Waterford City
('Conner Don—Roscommon
Fitzsimon, C.—Dublin Co.
O'Connell, Daniel—Dublin
O'Connell, John—Youghall
Ronayne, D.—Clonmell
Ruthven, Edward—Kildare
Vigors, N. A.—Carlow

Cornwall
Parrott, J.—Totness
Pease, Joseph—South Durham
Philips, Mark—Manchester
Pryme, George—Cambridge
Tennyson, Right Hon. C.—
Lambeth

Mr. SCHOLEFIELD, Mr. •C. K. TYNTE, and other
Members, who would have voted with Colonel EVANS in
the minority against the payment of rates and taxes as an
electoral qualification, were abut out when the doors were
elcsed for the division.

LIST OF TILE MINORITY,
Tellers included, who Voted for Mr. Fryer's Motion (on
the 18th inst.) for leave to bring in a B:11 to Alter and
Amend the present Corn Laws:—
For the motion
ENGLAND m u74i5-12D4e r. b y
Against it
ENGLAND.
Attwood, Thos.—Birmingham IStrutt, E d
itgelikoinnbgyilat,AJ..—SC_ocskheeritimeoludthw,Srhhheaiaipekinkpaenprret,dsois,nte._',lß.B—.:ry‘ovmige:n
Whalley, SGi.r_SA.—:t
Buller, E.—North Staffbrdshire'Whitmore, W. W..—Wolver-
Bish, T —Leominster
Brotherton, Joseph—Salford Wedgewood, J.—Stoke
aonrylebone
Cornish, James-1
Collier, J.—Plymouth
m Evans,in. er Wm. De Lacy—West- Williams,
Forster, C. S.—Walsall
Fielden, John—Oldham

SCOTLAND.
Colquhoun, J. C.—Dumbarton
shire
;Ewing, James—Glasgow
'Kennedy, T. F.—Ayr, &c.
Maxwell, Sir J.... Paisley
;Oswald, Richard—Ayrshire
Sharpe, General—Dumfries, &c.
Wallace, Robert—.Greenock

,
Gasket I, D.—Wakefield
Grote, George—London
Hughes, Hughes—Oxford i
Hawkins, J. H.—Newport, Isle{
of Wight 1
Hill, M. D.—Kingston-on-Hull
Hume, Joseph—Middlesex 1
Hyett, W. H.—Stroud
Hornby, E. G.—Warrington
Lushington, Dr.—Tower Harnl.l
Lloyd,. J. H.—Stockport
Morrison, J.—lpswich
Philips, M.—Manchester
Potter, R.—Wigan
Richards, J.—Knaresborough !
Rona illy, E.—Ludlow I
R ippon C.—Gateshead
Scholeield, J.—Birmingham
Scrope, Pou'ette—Stroud .

IRELAND.
Evans, G.—Dublin Co.
Ronay ne, D.—conmel I
Ruthven, E. S.—Dublin
Wallace, T.-.Carlow

TELLERS.
Fryer, R.--Wolverhampton
Warburton, H.—Bridport
situr OUT.
Evart. W.—Liverpool