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London, England, 1834-06-17 00:00:00

OXFORD CIRCUIT.

Days and places appointed for holding the Summer
Assizes, before Sir Edward H. Alderson and Sir John
Williams, Knights :
Berkshire—Thursday, July 10, at Abingdon.
Oxfordshire-.-Tuesday, July 15, at Oxford.
Worcestershire—Friday, July IS, at Worcester.
City Worcester—Friday' July 18, at City of Worcester.
Staffordshire—Tuesday, July 22, at Stafford.
Shropshire—Tuesday, July 29, at Shrewsbury.
Herefordshire—Saturday, August 2, at Hereford.
Monmouthshire—Wednesday, August 6, at Monmouth.
- Gloucestershire—Saturday, August 9, at Gloucester.
City of Gloucester—Saturday, August 9, at City of
Gloucester.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF LORDS, June 16.

The (muse met at a quarter past four.
The Earl of E L DON presented petitions from
Stansfield, Serverton, and other places in Stafford-
shire and Salop, for the protection of the established
church.

Lord ROLLE presented 26 petitions from Hurston,
Evesham, Totness, Stonehouse, Dartmouth, and other
places in Devonshire, against the claims of Dissenters
and in favour of the established church.

The Duke of WELLINGTON was cordially greeted
this evening by several noble lords on the opposition
benches, upon taking his seat.
The Capital Punishments Bill and two private
bills were brought up from the Commons.
Earl CA WD OR presented petitions from several
places in Bucks, praying for the protection of the
established church.

CHIMNEY SWEEPERS' REGULATION

BILL.

The Duke of SUTHERLAND. moved that the
evidence given before the committee upon the Chimney
Sweepers' Regulation Bill be printed. The noble
duke presented .a petition from the occupiers of work-
ing coal mines in Staffordshire, praying for a reduction
of the assessed taxes.
Lord LORTON presented a petition from the Irish
clergy complaining of distress, owing to the non-
payment of their tithes-
ROYAL ASSENT.

The Royal assent was given by Commission to the
Inhabited House Duty Repeal Bill, the Sale of Hay
Regulation Bill, the Sale of Fish Regulation Bill,
the Dudley Waterworks Bill, the St. George's Mar-
ket Bill, Staines Bridge Bill, the Gloucester Canal
Bill, and upwards of 40 private bills.
The Commissioners were—the Lord Chancellor, the
Marquis of Lansdowne, and the Earl of Shaftesbury.

COERCION BILL.
Lord FARNHAM, seeing the noble earl at the
head of his Majesty's government in his place, wished
to ask him a question previous to the house proceeding
with the order of the day. The house and the
noble earl must be aware that on the Ist of August
a bill of very great importance would expire;
he alluded to the Ir'sh Coercion Bill. He wished,
therefore, to know whether it was the intention of his
Majesty's government to move for the renewal of
that bill ?
Earl GREY said that if it was found to be necessary
his Majesty's government would move for the renewal
of the bill, but whether with the same provisions
as it now contained he could not say.
The Duke of GLOUCESTER presented petitions
from parishes in Northumberland,•and Gloucestershire,
in favour of the Established Church.
The Earl of WESTMORELAND presented simi-
lar petitions from parishes in Westmoreland.
The Duke of CLEVELAND presented a petition
from the dissenters of Wellington, for the removal
of the. grievances under which they laboured, and for
the separ,7tioa of Church and State. The noble duke
thought mat7v parts of the petition well worth : the
consideration- of their lordships, but he could not
coincide with that part which prayed the separation of
Church and state.
The Earl of WARWICK presented petitions from
St. .Ilichael, Coventry, and Nuneaton, in favour of
the establishA i:hurch. ,
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented two
petitions from the inhabitants of Calcutta, praying for
trial by jury, and that the difficulties that attended the
descent of real, property in that county might be

removed.
The Earl of ROSEBERRY moved the third read-
ing of the Additional Ministers. ( Scotch) Bill.
The Earl of HADDINGTON moved the addition
of t:vo clauses, the first leaving the law as it at present
stood in any parish where the patron solely built
and endov.-.ltl an additional church or chapel,
which was agreed to ; and the other was to the effect
that where the fourth of the whole expense was con-
tributed by the heritors of the parish, the nomination
of the minister should rest with them, subject to the
control of the Church Courts.
The Earl of ROSE BERRY objected to that clause,
on the ground
e thamtent its
between introduction wo
tors and the
uld tend to
create a disagre
feuars of a parish.
The Earl of H ADDINGTON supported the clause.
He said that if all parishes were mere country ones, the
feuars might subscribe little, and but little,in comparison
to the heritors, and then by their numbers alto-
gether oust them. In towns again the volun-
tary system would lead to popular elections, which
would not tend much to the good of religion. The
house then divided,when there appeared for the clause—
Contents
Non-contents - 43
Majority against the clause
The bill was then read a third time, and rased.
LONDON AND WESTMINSTER BANK
B

Oa our readmission to the gallery, we found Counsel
at the bar on the London and Westminster Bank Bill.
In answer to a question from the LORD CHAN-

Mr. Harrison replied on behalf of the Bank of Eng-
land.

The LORD CHANCELLOR said, partly from
the great number of persons and from the extent of
the interests involved in this concern or scheme—he
did not wish to use an offensive term—partly (though
there was not the least ground for an imputation of
impropriety in this case) on account of the use that
might be made of it, if the decision come to was not
perfectly satisfactory to the mind of his Majesty's sub-
jects, for this would probably not be the only applica-
tion that would be made—knowing, too, that the opi-
nions in Westminster Hall were not unanimous on the
matter, inasmuch as several very eminent lawyers and
other individuals on whose opinions the public placed
m-,11 reliance, and they certainly were entitled to great
r. were disagreed as to it—and partly because
he thought it would be better for the Bank of Eng-
land itself, as well as more to be desired, with re-
ference to the Legislature,—on these accounts, in his
opinion, this question ought to be at once discussed,
and once for all decided. With these views, he was
about to suggest to their lordships a course of pro-
ceeding that would give them little or no trouble, and
that, in his judgment, would lead to a satisfactory re-
sult. He proposed that the Lord Chief Justice of
the Court of King's Bench, who, in his absence,
acted for him as deputy Speaker of their lordships'
house, should be allowed to sit any morning that might
be convenient to the learned judges, and with them
decide the question he would submit to them. He
proposed merely to bring under their view the former
acts of Parliament, and the provisions of the present
act. Having looked at which, he would ask them
whether it would be an infraction of the rights of the
Bank of England, secured to them by the existing
statutes, to pass the present bill ? If their answer was
in the affirmative, that would put an end to all further
doubt on the subject. But he was not equally certain
that if they were of opinion it would be no infraction,
regard being had to the unders-anding of the
parties at the time the contract was made with the
Bank ( Hear, hear)—if they were of opinion that
legally and technically speaking, there would be no
infraction, he was not, he repeated, equally certain that
the parties interested in the London and Westminster
Bank would thereby acquire a right to demand a de-
cision—which the passing of the bill would certainly
he—in their favour. If their lordships were sitting
only judicially, the case would be very different ; but
if the parties had the law with them, it did not follow
that their lordships, as a legislative assembly, would
decide in favour of the expediency of the measure.
(Hear, hear.) He had a strong opinion as to what
was likely to be the result of the opinions of the judges.
He thought that, on the whole, this would be the most
satisfactory mode. It would give their lordships no
trouble. One counsel could state what were the acts,
and then the judges could deliver their opinions on
the act.
Lord WYNFORD asked the noble and learned
lord if he would say what was the form of the question
he would put to the judges ?
The LORD CHANCELLOR would state it at
once. He thought it would be found best to put the
whole matter very distinctly and succinctly. The
question was this—whether it would be an infraction
of the legal rights of the Bank of England to grant to
a joint stock banking company, consisting of more than
six partners, who had not the power to issue notes of
their own, the privilege of suing, or being sued, in the
name of ther Secretary ?
The Duke of WELLINGTON attached great
importance to the statement of the noble lord, that if
the opinion of the judges was, that legally there
would be no infraction, that would not decide the
question. He came down to the house to support his
Majesty's government in the bargain it hail made
with the Bank. ( Hear, hear.) An officer of the
Government having stated in another place that
it had made that bargain with the Bank, in his opi-
nion it ought to be confirmed. He did not like any
part of this transaction. He did not like that the
Bank of England should be placed in the hands of
Government or Parliament, in order to have it deter-
mined whether its rights should be granted or not.
He believed the noble and learned lord stated quite
truly when he said that if the application now made to
them were approved it would not be the only applica-
tion of the kind ttey would have. The difficulty they
were now in was one of the consequences of the de-
claratory clause introduced in the bill of last session,
and foreseen and foretold when that bill was under
discussion. He was sorry to see the Bank of Eng-
land exposed to this description of discussion ; because,
on some future occasion, their lordships might be in-
fluenced by some such discussion. He agreed-that the
only way was to refer the question to the Judges ; but
after their opinion was given, if it was unfavourable to
the Bank of England, he should be ready to come
down to support his Majesty's Government in carrying
into effect that bargain, to the full execution of which
the Government was pledged.
The LORD CHANCELLOR, in order that there
might be no doubt on the subject, would express his
full concurrence in the view taken by the noble duke
as to what ought to be their course, if it should be
found that the law was not with the Bank of England.
If, from any communication, or any correspondence
between the Bank of England and the Government,
it should appear to him that to concede to the present
applicants the legal right would be to involve a breach
of confidence_on the part of the Government, he would
not call on them to act on the strict right, but would
put the question to them on the higher ground of le-
gislative expediency, and ask them to give that view
of it the preference.
The Marquis of BUTE said that the parties in-
terested in the London and Westminster Bank were
anxious and quite ready to have the question decided.
He had no private interest in this matter, but if he
had he trusted that none of their lordships, nor indeed
any individual in the country, would believe he would
on that account endeavour to influence their lordships
in favour of the bill. ( Hear.) Unless, however, the
Government should be able to show a specific contract
with the Bank of England, or such a contract as
would render it dishonest to pass the bill, he hoped
that those who were interested would not be debarred
from a common law right.
The Earl of ELDON said he did not believe that
there was a more honest man in the kingdom than the
noble lord who had just sat down, but he nevertheless
must dissent from the noble lord's opinion on the pre-
sent question. It would be impossible for him to give
his consent to this measure, if it should turn out that
the Bank and the Government understood each other
as to the matter in issue.

Earl GREY was quite sure that the noble marquis
was quite incapable of being influenced by whatever
of private interest he might have in the present ques-
tion. He had a strong opinion that to grant the pri-
vileges sought by the London and Westminster Bank
%you'd be inconsistent with those exclusive privileges
which the Bank of England by law possessed. Though
he could not say that any specific contract, such as
that alluded to by the noble marquis, had been made,
yet, no doubt, there was an understanding between
Government and the Bank of England, that those pri-
vileges xhich it had before possessed should be pre-
served to it. In the first instance he thought it would
be better to have the opinion of the judges ; nor
could he conceive there could be any doubt of the
judges giving their opinion. The question was.
whether the granting of certain privileges to this Joint
I Stock Company would be inconsistent with those pri-
vileges which were enjoyed under the existing laws by
the Bank of England. He believed that similar ques-
tions had been put to the judges before ; and he did
not know any instance in which they had declined an-
swering. If their lordships would, in the first place,
then, depend on the construction of the law, and next
on that general consideration of good faith arising out
of the contract between the government and the Bank,
he had no difficulty in saying, that in introducing the
declaratory clause they had no idea whatever that any
privileges secured to the Bank under the existing laws
would be in any degree affected.
After a few words from the Marquis of BUTE, the
debate was adjourned. Shortly after which the house
adjourned until ten o'clock to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 16.
The SPEAKER resumed the Chair at five o'clock.
NEW WRITS.

On the motion of Mr. C. WOOD, a new writ was
ordered for the borough of Chatham, in the room of
W. Maherley, Esq., who had accepted the office of
Commissioner of his Majesty's Customs ; and for the
Elgin district of burghs, in the room of Colonel Leith
Hay, who had accepted the office of Clerk of the
Ordnance.
AiajorI3EAUCLERK presented a petition from the
farmers and graziers of Epsom, against the Islington
Market Bill.
Sir G. STAUNTON presented a petition from a
place the name of which we did not hear, in favour of
the Itchin Bridge Bill.
Sir JOHN HAY presented a petition from Atf.ur
Market, in favour of the Established Church.
Sir W. HORNE presented a petition from the

debtors of some prison, praying for the abolition of I
imprisonment for debt.
Sir J. SC ARLE TT rose to present a petition from
'gentlemen residing at Epsom, when he was inter-
rupted by—
A messenger from their Lordships, who appeared at
the bar, and summoned the house to hear his Majesty s
consent given by commission to several bills.
The SPEAKER, attended by several members, ac-
cordingly left the house.
The SPEAKER, after an absence of twenty minutes,
resumed the chair, when the house agreed to several
private acts.
Sir J. SC ARLE TT then presented a petition from
the members of the established church of Epsom,
in favour of the church. •

Upon the motion of Mr. BELL, a return was or-
dered from the various ports of the amount of money
received in consequence of the embargo upon Dutch
vessels.
Mr. E. G. STANLEY presented a petition from
the dissenters of Hayeldeem, praying for relief of
grievances, and a petition from Coleby, in favour of
the established church.
Mr. EWART presented a petition from Liverpool
against the Church Rates Bill.
Lord ALTHORP, in answer to a question from
Colonel EVANS, as to what arrangements had taken
place.with respect to the office of teller of the Exchequer,
said that Lord Auckland still continued to perform
the duties of that office, without, of course, receiv-
ing any salary for so doing, and he ( Lord Auckland)
would continue to perform the duties of the office
till the Exchequer Offices Bill should come into
operation, namely, on the 10th of October.
Mr. O'C ONNELL wished to know whether it was
the intention of his Majesty's government to renew the
Irish Coercion BM?
Lord ALTHORP replied that it was, with some
alterations.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that he should then begin
proceedings by having the house called over.
Mr. ROBINSON wished to know whether it was
the intention of the noble lord to go on with the Poor
Laws' Amendment Bill during th morning sittings.
Lord ALTHO RP replied that it was not.
Sir H. HA RDINGE inquired whether the Foreign
Enlistment Bill would be brought forward this evening ?
Lord ALT HORP thought that there was no
chance of it, as the Poor Laws' Amendment Bill would
occupy so much time.
In answer to questions put by Mr. O'REILLY,
Mr. LITTLETON stated that he had under-
stood that the early crops of potatoes in Ireland
had failed, but the second crop was expected
to be fruitful ; at all events there was no failure of the
general stock of that sort of food. With regard to
the Cholera Bill it would not expire until the end of
the present session.
Mr. SHAW wished to ask whether it was the in-
tention of the hon. and learned member for Dublin to
bring forward his resolutions on the Irish Tithe Bill ?
Mr. O'CONNELL said that Ireland could place
no reliance on the present ministers, and he should
sQrtainly press his resolutions.
In answer to a question put by Mr. HUME,
Lord ALT H ORP said that Lord Conyngham had
been appointed Postmaster-General.
Mr. C. BULLER moved as an amendment to the
order of the day, that orders of the day should take
precedence of motions on Thursdays for the remainder
of the session.
Lord ALT HORP said, that if the house had no
objection to the motion, he had none.
Colonel EVANS objected to the amendment.
Mr. HUME had heard no reason, and knew none,
why they should make the proposed alteration.
After a few words from Mr. EWART and Mr.
PoULTER,
Mr. C. BULLER said that his object was to have
Thursday made an order day instead of Wednesday.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that it would be time
enough for the hon. member to bring forward such a
proposition in the middle of October. ( A laugh.)
Mr. PR YME suggested as the only means of
ending the session before October, that hon. mem-
bers should withdraw those motions which they had on
the books, and which were not of pressing importance.
After a few words from Mr. C. BULLER, strangers
were ordered to withdraw, but on our return to the
gallery we understood that no division had taken place.

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