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he had come to the conclusion that the precedents es-
tablished that the coarse was to issue a new writ when
a Member refused to take the oeths necessary to be
taken before he could sit in the House and vote, and
that there was no difference whatever in that respect
bet worn the oath of allegiance and supremacy and the
oath of ahjuration, and ha trusted he should be able to
stuiery the House that Ira either case, where a person
who was elected reinsed to take the oaths, his seat was
void, and that a new writ ought to issue. If that were
the question the Chancellor of the Exchequer proposed
for their consideration on Mond: y he was quite prepared
to meet it; but if that were not the question, although
he could not assume there could be any other, then, as
the Hon. and Learned Member for Cork said, that a
grave doubt was hanging over the question, he should
only—
Mr. B. OSBORNE rose to order. He wished to know
whether the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was strictly
in order if he did Rot conclude by proposing a motion.
ember
The SPEAKER said the Hon. and Learned M
would certainly be out of order unless he concluded with
motion.--(llesr, and cheers.)
Sir F. THESIGER said he would beg leave then,
being instigated by the Hon. Member for Middlesex, to
move that the Speaker be directed to issue his writ for the
election of a Member for the borough of Greenwich, in
the room of Alderman Salomons, who had refused to talce
the oath of adjuration in the form prescribed.--(Lend
and prolonged cheers from the Opposition benches.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said ,he
was very much surprised at the course pursued by t'lef
Hon. and Learned Member.—(Cheers, and cries v
" Hear, hear.") He had reason to complain of his nishil
such a motion, after the suggestion had been Blain.%
agreed to for the adjournment of the question until gnu
day. He hoped he would not proceed with the motion.
Sir F. THESIGER said it was certainly not his :be
tention to do anything more than comment
ber
motion for the adjournment; but when the Hon. Men 3
for Middlesex called him to order, he felt it necessary
er
to
conclude with a motion which would give the Souse o
to
understand precisely the course which he intended
adopt on Monday when the subject again came tins
discussion.—(Cheers.) ed
Mr. ANSTEY rose to order. The Hon. and Learne
Gentleman was travelling into matter not before te
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House.—(Loud cries of " Order," and confusion.)
wished to ask whether the Hon. and Learned Gentle
was warranted by the permission of the Chaireto rise and
explain, and enter into a variety of matters not proper y
before the House?
The SPEAKER said the Hon. and Learned rdernkber
had moved that a new writ be issued for the borough. ot.
Greenwich. Any Hon. Member having moved a neosl°
was entitled to reply. be
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER matt
be
permitted to interpose for a moment. The ohien,ing
had was to prevent the sort of feeling which was d
in the House, and the course which the Hon. and Learteet
Gentleman had taken in entering into a discussion.oc.
the House remember the sort of angry feeling that eld
curred during the discussion last year, and he w° d,
appeal to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman not r„itto
dress the House then—(Cries of " Oh, oh.'').—`7„
leave it until they had further considered the quest, °lO
Sir F. THESIGER said he had only been alii•°°s
explain that the course he had taken was almost forced
upon him by the interruption he had experienced daq
the time he was addressing the House.—(Cheers.) ,Pas
had not the slightest intention of departing from ,1„
he believed to he the understanding between the C'',a-et
cellor of the Exchequer and himself. Ho was not
liberty to call for an explanation of the course to be 1)",";
sued on Monday, and no other opportunity being OP-a
to him, he made the motion with which he conclude
for the purpose of indicating the coarse he intended t°
pursue. He bege,ed, therefore, to withdraw the metioe;
it having accomplished the end he had in view.—(Cheer
and laughter.)
The motion was then withdrawn.
Mr. OSBORNE wished to ask the Hon. and LearllEd
Gentleman whether he meant to make the same motion
on Monday?
Sir F. THESIGER—I am afraid, if I answer the
question of the Hon. Gentleman, he may consider me
out of order.—(Roars of laughter.)
Before the laughter had subsided the order ( f the day
was read for the consideration of the Lords' amend'
moats to the Killarney Junction Bill.
Mr. OSBORNE again rose and said—l cannot uodera'
stand—(Loud cries of " Order," renewed laughter, an
cheers.)
The SPEAKER said the question before the Ilnlis°
was the consideration of the amendments made bYe ,
Lords in the Killarney Junction Railway
laughter.)
Mr. OSBORNE—I claim a hearing from the courtee,
of the House.—(Cries of " Order! order!" " Chairl
chair!")
The SPEAKER—The Hon. Gentleman cannot speak
to to a question that is already disposed of.—(Laughter.)
Mr. OSBORNE rose again, but the cries of " Order!
being renewed more violently than before, he resuilled
his seat.

PETITIONS.
Major BERESFORD presented several petitions from
places in Essex against the navigation-laws, and PT.!'
ing for an alteration of the law in regard to foreign
portations.

- Sir J. WALMSLEY presented a petition from Liver'
pool against the paper and newspaper stamp duties. ,
Sir P. NUGENT presented a petition from a P'9'„o
,
in Ireland, prayinglor protection against the importatl°
44. foreign flour.
DUNCOMBE presented a petition from. 9
society calling themselves the Friends of Italy, praYll
that step 3 might be taken by her Majesty to prevent th
continued occupation of Rome by the French troops.

IRISH BILLS.
Several private Bills having been read and agreed tot
Mr. ROCHE wished to know whether the Goierl3_
ment would have any objection to fix a morning sitting
for proceeding with several important Irish Bills Whic
were on the paper. id
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
those bills would be fixed for a morning sitting °n
Thursday next.

SUPPLY.
Tho House then went into Committee of Supply.
After a short discussion, the vote of 9,883/. for the
Schools of Industry, at Dublin, was agreed to.
Votes also of 6001. for the Female Orphan Asylil 133'
1,7504 for the Westmoreland Lock Hospital, Dub:
lin, and 6001. for the Lying-in Hospital, Dublin, were
agreed to.
Oa a vote of 38,1601. being proposed for the support
of Irish Presbyterian ministers,
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to paying money for the
support of Irish ministers. In Scotland and England no
grants were made, and he taw no reason why any such
should be made for Ireland. He should move to disallovr
this vote.
Mr. M'CULLAGH said the Hon. Member for Lam-
heth had certainly surprised him for once. If any ob-
jection to the vote was to be made, he should have
thought it would have been to the smallness of it.
Mr. C. LEWIS defended the vote. It had been first
granted by the Irish Parliament in the Revolution, and
had been continued ever since.
Mr. C. ANSTEY opposed the vote on the ground of
consistency, having always voted against the Maynooth
grant.
Mr. W. J. FOX suggested that the vote should be
reduced annually until at last it should cease altogett
Mr. S. CRAWFORD being opposed to all grants for
religious purposes should support the disallowal of this
vote.

Mr. HAMILTON did not see any objection to the
vote, as it scarcely amounted to more than 601. per an"
num for each minister.
Mr. E. B. ROCHE supported the vote, as he thought
this was a very improper time to withdraw it.
After a short discussion the House divided,
For the
Against itgrant
143
Majority
The vote was then agreed to.
6,5891. for charitable
allowances charged to the Con'
cordatum Fund in Ireland.—Agreed to.
9,5691. to defray the expenses for the General Board
of Health.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said in reference to the new come'
teries that were to be established, that the conditions re-
quired by the Board of Ilcalth as to the situ and O!:
racter of the burial-grounds were such as to render 0
most difficult to have them fully carried out. If theY,
were to act in this manner nothing would be accomplished
in any reasonable time, while the expenses that were
going on were somewhat heavy.
Lord SEYMOUR said the scheme had not been car'
tied into operation with that success which was originally
anticipated. No further expense in respect to these
grounds would be encountered as the lands had all been
surveyed. The only matter
now for consideration Was
as to how the further operations were to be carried out.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that he had received
numerous communications on the subject of these lenrial,
grounds, expressing much surprise .and disappointment
at the delay that had taken place in respect to them.
Lord SEYMOUR said that before they could close up
the intramural burial grounds, it was of course essential
that some other cemeteries should be provided for the
reception of the dead.
Mr. MO WATT said that that was a fact which they
were all perfectly well aware of. But the public corn"
plained of so much time being lost without any active
measures being taken for the establishment of these ce-
meteries, and for putting a atop to the great evil which
e
was so generally complained ot'. Was the Noble Lora
aware that in the very churchyard opposite there were
a considerable number of bodies interred daily ? Way
were not arrangements entered into to put the authorities
in possession of other churchyards outside the walls?
The measure was pressed forward with much speed i°
the last session of Parliament, on account of the urgency
of the case; and yet nothing had been since done to give,
effect to it. He thought that the public had been trifled
with by the Board of Health on this subject.
Lord SEYMOUR said that the great difficulty arose
in respect to the raising of money to purchase the neces-
sary land upon the securities offered.
Mr. W. J. FOX said that if the cemeteries established
by private companies were found to be eligible, they
might he rendered fully available for all purposes, and
make the public independent of the intramural burial-
grounds, which, in such case, should be closed at ono:,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the Lion. Member seemed to forget that inclosing the
churchyards compensation must be paid in lieu of the
fees arising from the burials in them. Ho did not know
from whet fund such compensation was to be given, unless
by the levying of a rate in the different parishes.
Sir DE LACY EVANS seid that if any difficulty
arose as to the framing of the measure last year, the
sooner that difficall was removed the better, AS it was
of the greatest importance to the public that the Act
should be carried into operation with as little delay as
possible.

After an observation from Mr. W. WILLIAMS,
The CIIANCELLQU of the EXcHEQI,Tgit 044