The Sun.
London, England, 1802-12-10 00:00:00

the People, (for he alledged that Gorernmen
lost them).s-effe did,not pretend to say what parti-
tular
_steps should be taken, perhaps he might think
that putting an end to the system 'of Solitary Cells,,
to begin Reform at the right end, those of Pen-
sions, &c. &c.—He concluded with bbserving, that
although he was persuaded the last Administration
went out of power With the oublieindignation, yet
`of the present he would, say, (in civil language, for.
no other had been provok-ed).he did not thiok they
pOssessed the public confidence.—He thodght the
power of France, great as it was, was likely ,sooh to
fall ; but that was nonao expenation` which child be
calculated upon : he was ready to meet the datiier and
vote confidence in Administration upon these terms,
that they should possess, die confidence of the Public
—that they should give a well-grounded expeda-
tion-of aßeform of all Abuses, &c. &c. but as that
was not the case: at present,' he could not assent to
the. Measure now proposed.
- Mr. H. B -FA E said, that when the. Hon.
Baronet took notice of the gloomy state of, this
Country, and cens'ered the late Administration as
the cause of it; it did not occur to him to• tell the
Hotise in what other Country there was more genes.
nil comforts for Mani td. Did he'think it was in
Spain ? Did he think it was in Italy ? Did he think
it was in the Netherlands ? D hhe think it was in
Holland? Did he think it wait in SwitzertaA ? Did
he think it was any Where `iny.irrope ? Or did he
know. one spot on the face ofe the Globe in which
there was more general comfort to mankind than
there was in :England at this hour ? 0i would he
point out to the House the spot which he would wish
Great Britain: to- reskonble ? And then, when that
question was determined, perhaps the other, on the
trite charade( of the Lite Administration, would
not be-difficult : For,. ih discussing that matter, the
question would not be, what we- might have now of
difficulty remaining, but 'Whit evils and horrors had
we avoided, and for the avoiding which we were in-
debted -very MuChindeed Co the late Administration ?
The,People. of England, he believed, felt pone of
the indignation against the late Ministers which the
Hon: Baronet, apprehended ; the People of England
felt that they' had a _Constitution, for the pre-
servation of which they had not forgotten to
who'll they were so much indebted, :nor did he 'be-
lieve they _needed much persuasion to be convinced,'
that the measure now proposed was a measure for,
their general welfare ; upon a cotiviCsion Of which,
he did not believe there would appear in them any
deficiency of sOir the'more especially,' when the ex-
cellent Speech of the Secretary, at' War yesserdav in
that House, came to he circulated over the Country,
which assuredly it would.. The People.of-England
were a Commercial Peole, and therefore naturally
loved Peace; 'hut they were likewise a w:irlike Peo-
ple, and knew how to ai in War, if War becaMe
necessary. They were. always true to others, .and
could be true to themselves. He was 'anxious to
explain the principle• on which he should vote to-
night.. He did not mean to vote this Force for the
purposes of aggression,- but in our own defence.
As to invasion, it was not for invasion only that
we were to be in readiness, but we must be ready
to resist every infradibn of the Treaty of Atniens,
or any danger to our own safety'. With regard to
what had been said on-the subject of measures and
men, he could riot eorweive how, in a political
question, they could be separated. Had any Mi-
nister come to the House without any circumstances
to justify it, and called far such a Force as this, he
should not have voted for it ; but there was enough
in the con tuft of, the Chief Consul of France to
answer every thing on that head. He was pleased
however to see to the conclutt of Ministers, 'and
in their language, every thing that led to the 'con-
tinuance of Peace. He justified the Peace of Amiens,
on the ground that when it was concluded, things
were in such a condition,' that nothing could be
gained by the War ; and as to Great Britain, not
the least derogation of her dignity appeared on that
event--on the contrary, it was highly to her. honour.
It was true, indeed, that at that period the situation
of Europe was much to be lamented, but that arose
from no fault in Great Britain. With regard to
the capacity of His Majesty's Ministers, he thought
that their having been able to conduB she business
of Copenhagen, and every thing; which related to
the complicated concepts embraced by.the Treaty
of 'Amiens, their being able to satisfyethe whole
Body of the House of commons,.with the exception
of a few ivai,;iduals:, by their Speeches in that
House, he owned these things put together app tar-
ed to hint to give evidence of very great capacity.
agreed with thou who made HOnour the dearest
point to' a Nation, and, who said, an insult to
a Nation's Honour was one of the first causes of
just 'War. Honour, well ursderstOod, was the most
valuable property of a nation, and he trusted that
this Country, by preserving its Independence, held
out a lesson worthy of example to all Europe. He
concurred in this vote, not,for the purpose of meet-
ing War, hut to preserve the Honour of this Coun-
try', and to maintain. Peace.
Sir F., Butt D E-rr explained,'
Mr. CALCR Apr said, he saw no chance of the
House coming to any thing like a division ; it was
a wonder that so much dissension of sentiment or
opinion should havobeen expressed ; however, that
had in some measure made it necessary for, him to
express his. He knew not where the Hon. Baronet
had proct.red the information, that the late Admini-
stration was thought of with indignation, and that
iu the present', the Public had no confidence. He
believed, that his sources 'of Information were, at
least, 'as
_much entitled to credit as those who -in-
formed the Hob. Baronet on these subjeCts ; and he
undertook, from his information, to say, that the
Country felt esteem ftir the late AdMinistratiOns
and that the present Administration had the con,
fidence of the P/oblic.• He concluded with assenting
to the Motion now before the House.
Dr. I, AU'RE,NCE delivered'his sentiments upon
the various topics which had been adverted to in the:
course of the discussions, at considerablelength.--=-
In the early parts of his speech hetootended gene-
rally, that the necessary information had not been
communicated by His Majesty's Ministers to the
House. , Macli had ,been said of the Financial
circumstances of, , the Country, 'but were the
statements of His, Majesty's 'First Minister on
a former tight well-founded, this Country was
in- a situation not tor crouch to France, vr tb'put u