The Sun.
London, England, 1851-06-13 00:00:00

WOODS AND FORESTS,

In answer to Lord DUNCAN,
Lord SEYMOUR said that ho would state on Mon,
day when the Woods and Forests Bill would be pro•
ceedod with.

KAFIR WAR.
The CILINCELLOR of the EXCEIEQUR said that
ho wished t) state that the first vote taken to-morrow
would be the vote on the Kafir v.-ar.
CO NIMITTEE OF SUPPLY—THE IRISH EXILES.
On the motion for going into Committee of Supply,
Mr. C. ASISTEY rose to move by way of amendment,
a resolution condemnatory of the conduct of Sir William
Denison, Lieutenant-Governor of Van Diemen's Land, in
the matter of the revocation of the tickets of leave lately
held by
Me=srs. *Manus, O'Doherty, and O'Donohue.
He objected to the partial system which had lately been
pursued with regard to the ticket-of-leave men. Instead
of every regulation being interpreted to afford these gen-
tlemen everj possible leniency, all these regulations had
been strained to confine them to their respective districts.
It was quite clear, from Sir William Denison's own
language es)a • his dispatches, - otispatches, that he was an unwil-
ling agent it Carrying out the clemency of his Sovereign,
and had lit been allowed to follow his own wishes,
these gentlemen would have been treated like
the worst of convicts. Sir William Denison
seemed to regret that the colonists treated these
gentlemen, lot as offenders against the law, but as fit
objects for s/e3pathy, because they were on that account
the more rekey to bear testimony to their good beha-
viour and help to make out the allegation that they had
not violated the terms upon which the tickets of leave
were gran ed to these gentlemen. According to
the opinion )f the best lawyers in the colony the ordi-
nances that Pere sought to be put in force against them
had long since been abrogated, and they could travel to any
and every pert of the colony without violating their parole,
providing tley did not attempt to make their escape.
Even the Plice magistrates before whom they were car-
ried entertaned that opinion, and it was ultimately ar-
ranged, as the law officers of the Crown appeared
to be at variance with that opinion, that the
offence sheild be overlooked, en condition that
the allege( offenders would go and sin no more;
and yet the lovernor, disregarding all former custom and
precedent, lad thought fit to set that decision aside, and
order thesegentlemen to be degraded for three or four
months. Stch a stretch of authority was only justifiable
in extreme !ases, and even then it was only resorted to
where the teeision of the constituted tribunals of justice
were manifestly at variance with law and justice; and
then it wts usual for the governor to remove the
judges as well as reverse their decisions. The Go-
vernor had not dared to go that length, for the
magistrates who made the compromise to which he re-
ferred wen two of the best and most useful and valued
public officers of the colony. But the reason which the
Governor trged in justification of his conduct only made
the matter worse. The Governor said he reversed the
decision of the magistrates because he thought that the
colonists b)trayed too much sympathy for the convicts
themselves—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. MAIL seconded the amendment.
Sir GEGRGE GREY was unable to follow the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman through the whole of his state-
ment, but the facts of this case were fully set out in a
dispatch *itch had recently been received from the Go-
vernor, and they were contained in a very small compass.
He confefeed ho could see nothing in these facts that
should indaco the House to pass a vote of censure upon
Sir William Denison for he had done nothing more
than his luty under the circumstances, while it would
have heel highly censurable in him had he
abstained from doing that which the Honourable
and Loakted Member complained of. It should
be remetthered that in doing what he did he
was dealirg with convicts who had been sent out from
this county after having been found guilty of a most
serious sent e
no less, indeed, than high treason; and
it was en that account essentially necessary that
strict ditei
The [lon. pline should be enforced.—(Hear, hear.)
and Learned Gentleman seemed to think that
those persons were not subject to the usual regulations
of ticket•of-leave men; but as it really appeared that
those gentlemen had acted in direct opposition to the
usual regulations, he was sure the House would not think
that the Hon. Member was justified in proposing a vote
of censure on the Lieutenant-Governor for the course
which he had pursued in regard to thorn in depriving
them of their tickets of leave.
Mr. HUME thought that the Hon. Member had, per-
haps, better withdraw his motion after the statement of
the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State.
Colonel DUNNE was of the same opinion.
After a few words from Sir LUCIUS O'BRIEN in
reference to the dismissal of Captain Laffan who had
been in charge of Mr. Smith O'Brien when he attempted
to escape,
The motion was negatived without a division.
SUPPLY—NAVY ESTIMATES.
The Muse then went into Committee on the navy
estimates.

Sir F. BARING, in proposing the first ♦ote, 718,6471.,
for the retired half-pay allowance of admirals, com-
manders, and lieutenants in the navy, said it included
the supplemental estimate for retirement.
Mr. MIME, who had a notice for going into Com-
mittee, but who was " cut out" apparently for want of
duo watchfulness—complained that the recommenda-
tion of the Select Committee had not been attended to
before then, and that the plan of reduction proposed by
them had been so long delayed. If the regulations of
the Admiralty itself had been carried out—those made
by Lord Melville in 1820, those made in 1826, and those
made in 1830, a great deal of the injustice that had been
done would be obviated. The reoornmenqatioue of the