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_JUNE 12, 1805.

capacity from that I have lately held ; but at the
same time_ I owe to sthe.other House,
.of which . I
'have the honour to be now a Member, an obligation
not. to enter into any defence oft any matters with
-restea to which this House, may have already' ,en-.
tered into Resolutions of.crimination against me. I
trust, however, will not be'gnilty of any viola-
tion of the instru&ions of the other. House, if
make 'some observations on ,the Resolutions agreed
Upon:against me here ;' not for the, purpose of de.7
fence, for that is forbid to me, but as a sort of pre-
liminary observation to what
.I mean afterwards to,
otter) in order that Inlay not:-proceed under any
misunderstanding or misrepresentation
,of them, nor
with any other construaion of. them, but that which,
• the House Mean, I have stated, distinaly that
cannot enter into. the. Resolutions, for the purpose
of defence I have; therefore,, to require, the indul-
Once of theHousewhilej enter. into them for the
parposo of an' explanation,. which I allow not to be
such as I would otherwise
.wish to give. I proceed,

to the explanation which is permitted to me, return-
ing thanks to the, Hot* for allowing me to offer
myself to-its consideratien wish, first,,proceed--
hip; ors the plan: I hare laid dawn, tts. be certain. that
I rightly understand the Resolutions come to by this
House on April Bth,. They were fourteen in num-
ber, including one of loth April.. On the others
I" am not at liberty to make any observation: on,
the:twelfth and. thirteenth I have, therefore, prin-
cipally to trouble the Hotte with some explanatory
observations. The first of theSe Resolutions ,states;
that the execution of the Aa was poStponed till
1;796, andthat after ist June, 1797, large sums were,
:contrary to the ACI, drawn from the Bank under the
pretext of Navy. services, and vested ilex Navy and
Exchequer Bills, in the .pnrcleise of stock and. the
discount of private bills, for the purpose of private
emolement. These words do not necessarily charge
on me any participation in that use or that emolu-
thent, but they go to create a doubt with respe& to
me which is rendered more strong by the next Re-
solution. The next Resolution states, " That Mr.
Trotter; Pay-master, of ,the Navy, in making this
use-ofthe public money; acted with the knowledge
and consent of Lord Melville, Whose Private Agent
he at the same time was." In order to upderstand
.the impression . which theSe Resolutions are calcn-,
lated to make it is necessary they should be cou- .
pled together, and, taken" thus conjun&ly, they ha-
part that Mr. Trotter, at various. times, under the
pretent.e of Naval Services, took the Public Money
frosts the Bank, and exchanged it tor Navy and Ex-
chequer •Bills, and employed it in the. purchase .of
'stock; and in discounting private bills; and that in
doing this he acted with my knowledge and con- ,
sent, being at the same time my Private Agent.—
Thus they leave on the mind of every one to whom
they reach, an. impression,.though such meaning is
not expressly conveyed, that in the advances often or
twenty thousandpounds,which it is stated I haye oc-
casionally received from Mr. Trotter, for my private
use,. I was athially 'and knowingly participating in
the misuse and emolument made of the Public
Money. This is the joint effe& of these two Re-.
solutidns which are entered on the Joureals, of this
House, and which have found- their way into every
corner of the Empire. These "Resolutions haie gone
'into every corner of the Conntry, under the high
and-sacred san&ion of this House. I must, host ever,
take the liberty of adverting, shortly to some cir-
cumstances, connected with the impression they
were thus calculated to make ; . and first I must ask
,the House to pause for a moment,, and ask: the ef-
fect those Resolutions must have on the mind of
anrmao. . Would it not be that I was implicated.
in the transaetions contained us the ivth and 13th
Resolutions of Bth and loth of April, to the
considerable amount therein charged on me ?----
.There are some here present who have had oppor-
tunitiesof judging... how. far the impression I have
stated is that which the Resolutions were calculated
to Make. r. What. the &Yeas, of them have been I need
not is known in every quarter, and goes to
the full_ amount of a criminal charge. against me, on.
. the ground that a certain understanding existed be-
tweeriMr. Trotter and me as to the application of the
Miry. Money to the. purposes-of private emolument.
I therefore call on the :Holise once more fora mo-
ment's pause, while I state What if I had been pre-
sent in any place or on ,any occasion where any libel
was uttered against me on' any Resolution of this
House, I would have stated most decidedly and most
distin&ly. I must on any such occasion have so-
lemnly asserted, in justification myself, here or
elsewhere,. that such an imputation was erroneous,
and without foundation. 'I never did know that M.
Trotter drew any money from the Bank in contra-
vention of the law. I never did know that he
ployed the PUbliCMOney in the purchase 'of Navy and
Exchequer Bills,. in the purchase of stock, or in dis-
counting private bills. I have disclaimed all partici-
pation, all privity, to such transaaions, neither have
. I. any knowledge that Mr/Trotter applied tti my be-
nefit any suns ef money derived from such sources.
I am Iw/ere that the statement I here oiicr is, jasper-
ftA. • It is incomplete with respe& to 'various points
"insisted upon in other places°, some of which I eau-
not'advert to, others it 'is not consistent with the
dignity of the House .that I. should advert. to: It .is
very generally, conceived out,of doors, from the Be-
*solutions I have adverted to, that I. Participated in the
profits Mr. Trotter, is supposed to have, made by
the uses to which he converted . the money.in his
hands, preViOus, to the Resolution of Bth In
my' letter to, the.Cenimissionera of Naval inquiry,
I positively "denied any such, participation ; Mid
certainly; if 'at any, time the question had bt...en ptit
to Mr. Trotter, either before or after the pnblica-
thin of the Tenth Report,' he would have embraced
the opportunity of contradi&ing, in, the. most:de-
cided terms, this unfounded calumny; He v,,001d
have denied, that Lord Melville had,- directly or
indirealy, participated in, any proliti• made of
the. Public Money, He would have stated that

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Lord Melville had no knowledge '`whatsoever of
such profits being made. Such are thesanssiers,'
I believe; Mr.. Trotter would save given, for they
are no more than I Mean. Thus I have' 'given
you what is.- equivalent to- the
,positive assertion
of the only two who know the particulars of the -
transa6tion, and the amount of both is a positive
denial of my having any participation:or knowledge
of the thing. lam therefore entitled:to hope, un-
less my conduit laboura'under the effea of a preju
dice never known in any other case; unless, under
a precedent never known; I am 'to be condemned
without one tittle of evidence. I trust the HOuse
will 'be of opinion that there is no foundation What-
Soever -in .this..injurious imputation.. Mr. Trotter's
private. connexion with me, ',partieularly as my, Pri-":
vate Agent, has been so much dwelt upon,- and in
such various ways; and for such. purposes, that I
hope • it will not be deemed impertinent in' me to
detail the natureof fhis connexion; and how it came.
to be formed. When I came 'to have the superite-
tendanCe of the Navy • Pay Office', I. found Mr.
Trotter had peen employed, thy Sit Gilbert Ellie
and Mr4!`Coilits, and Liien.':fattider the eyes 'of Mr.
Douglas: •He can beibre tue frequently, and
gained my good opinion fairly, by showing me the
modes in which seamen were defrauded of the wages
acid encouragements granted them for the benefit of
the public service. I gave encouragement .to prose-
cute these objeas,• and it is to hint that the Country
is in a great.tneasure indebted for those regulations,
many of which amrecorded•oe your Statute flooks,
fbr securing the benefits granted for the public ser-
vice not only to the:Seamen for their' oven lives, bitt
to their. 'wives and families after their. death'. In
consideration •of these fieryices, I -seleCied Mr.
Trotter to fill-the 'office of Paymaster on the death
of Mr. Douglas. The details of the administration
of the office. and the payments 1t WWI impossible for
me to discharge; they-,were in his hands. This is
the .whole history of 'the connexion between Mr.
Trotter and the, and it is impossible. for me now,
notwithstanding any occasional misconduct, to re-
fuse him the just ,acknowledgment; that during the
fourteen years he acted as Paymaster of the Navy
under me, every demand was satisfied Without de-
lay, and a.. sum of .34 millionse.Vas disbursed by
him without any loss whatever t.) the Public.—
I will here read the instrument appointing Mr.
Trotter Paymaster of the in 'which it will
be fOttnd carefully specitied, ,that iii- every drait
of money from the }Mk; the -service for which
it • was drawn' should be statedt--afis Lordship
here read the instrument; 'specifying acei)rdingiy
This is the instrument on which Mr. Trotter
acted, and the .House• «ill judge whether ;by this
he was authorised to depart from the A6t of
Parliament. I have said this much to enable me
the tietter to understand the sense the House . had
of. the .Resolutions of the Bth., and loth Aprii;
and for the purpose of shewing the grounds on
which. Arocecct, if in zny future obsavitions I
should put any interpretation upon them. whiCh the
House may deem erroneous. The 14th Resolution
states, -that I- was pricy to and. connived at the
drawing of the Navy Money from the Bank for For-
poses of private emolunient, .and• that thus' I was
guilty of a gross violation ,of the laW, and a.high
breach of duty. On- this point lam certainly not a
little embarrassed. There are many • things which
I would 'wish-to state, but from 'the restrietion" laid
upon :me, I must necessarily pass them by. • I will
, however endeavour to touch upon. them in suth
manner as I cazi.without infringing that obligatinn :
and first I state •it generally as: a fkt,' that on no
occasion whatever had
;Mr. Trotter the power of
drawing money from the -Bank for pUrposes of pri-
vate emoluMent, rior-in any other *ay titan the. law
,direas. If •it has been any where stated; that Mr.
Trotter had from me any power tb draw'the Public
Money from the Bank for private purposes, I deny that
there is any ground Or any adMl;sion whatsoever to'.
arrant such a charge. If money was.draWn.for the
purpose of detail payments,'or to. ,s.tisfy trasignments
made out, I maintain that it wass-nOt illegally drawn.'
I tltere,fore. wished to state
,upott thine 10th ftepOrt,
,in answer to the question, whether in 178'6 I anthos
kixed the drawing. of the 'NaVy Money frons•the
Bank of Engl4nd, and lodging it inn private Bank;
e‘ that I cculd.not' state tfir precise time, but that.
I allowed its being so draWn and lodged, the draft
always specifying the • purpose's for' which it was'
drawn."' I was then
,114gCti, AS the money was
by the 25th of Geo. Me diretied to remain in the'
Bank; and not to be deaWn Without specifying the
purposes for which it was.drawn; by' Wlett authority
had permitted it to be drawn in a different man-
.leer ?" My answer was, that I understood the mo-
ney to have been always so. drawn, and that when
I stated myself to have permitted it, I . el‘Oes ttti-
derstood.it_to" have been drawn according, to laW4OO
by. competent authority. On inspeainey ilir Tool-
- of the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry,find they -aid disfinaly understand me in this. The'
'Commissioners state, that Lord Melville said he did
permitmoney to be &atm from the Bank and !edg-
ed itt a private anker'S . while it Was net called: fin'
by those entitled to demand it ; but that there was
'no authority front him to draw it ttorn the: Bank
farther than ,the amount' Of the apigninenta Made
bythe different Board'se.which were daily laid before
him. From these'. observations, coupled with my
evidence; there appearser diStinet Understanding that
I never did give a p.oseer to draw the money con-
trery to law; and I therefore do contend,
,that if
ever it has heen, or ever 'shall be said any When; that
Mr. Trotter- had from me a
,power to draw the
mo-
ney from the ,Baal; for purposes of private einole-
. meat, or for any perpoze3 intousistent with the law,
the assert* is contrary to the titer and to the Re-
port of the.COMmissioners of Naval inquiry. , This
1.. say; not for the purpose of Arraigning the Itese,
lutioni of this House; but for-the purpo,!e of reakinz
the evidence' on the Table correetly onderAood.
cunt eive‘ tht4e ,has been a aniveriat trtist.aka ii. thi2

(FAKE six?Elitgl.

yespert, as if the Act of 25 'Geo. a Coin»,
plete 'digest for the '.dire: of the Ace of Trea- .
surer of the Navy. That Act was not intended as ._
any such thing either by those whOintrodnced gar
those .vtlio passed it. The object of 'MA 'Ad Wat,
to convert the Account of the Treasurer of the Navy
-from' a personuLto an', official Account, and to pre..
vent personS holding the office reiriiiinin,„e with
large balances in their- hands.,
_Mid being debtorA.
to' the Public to a- large amount, after they sliduld
haVe vacated the. otilee That wAs the whole
amount of this•short Art, WhiCh consisted 'altogether
of no More than ten ortwelve Clauses; arid in this
it differed, from the general Mt passed afterwards for *
the 'regulation , of the"
.Ufficii ofi,Paymaster Of the
Forces., That Art- 'contained thirty-nine Claties; -
and 'was a Coinplete digest and system fur the whole
conduct of, the Office .of' Paymaster of the
.Voi=eo..
The AA of g,sth Geo 111 Was to eause the Account
to pass clear from the Treastwer of :he
_Navy, to his
immediate successor the moment he: went oat of
office. The situation of these Offices was materially
different in many resperiA. The whole- of the Pay
Department -of the Navy was' under-the immediate
dire bon of the Treasumr at the'n'avy - The ge-
neral distribution alone of the pay of the Army was
under the -superintendance, of the -Paymaster of the-
Forces ; -the details were managed • by, interior
Agents. , In the Navy the. whole was managed by
the- Treasurer and Officers Under him, on the Trea-
surer's responsibility. It is impossible, under these
eireurnstlinces that the Mt 25, Geo• hare
its its intention to take'away the discretion of draw--.
nig from the Bank' for detail payrrieuts. Before I
came into the office of Treasufer 'of the Navy, and
now,.many :payments arh made 'without specifying •
the Seryiu---(Here 'the Arable Llrdstafed a very large
amount. drawn i t Feb: last, Tor payments, MI under
pOl. and a .gTeat proportion of it for minute 'pay
dents 't:if 1 s, 6d. cq 14-..8d.y There were iii tits :at that.
time no'less than &lon ship3-101;s open, every sea,.
man belonging to Which was entitled to come, and
demand his arrears, .however Minute. It was ut. .
course absolutely impossible to pay these. Minute
demands by drafts' on the Bank. The Mt could
noi.possibly, Mean that they Should be satisfied. by '
drafts on th©' Bank in favour of 'the persons en-
titled to them: There is no provisions to that efra,
in the A&; nor could that objea possibly have been
in its contenviatton. I. cati atsd shew, from the
AA,' that the moment bills are assigned for pay y.
-
Meta, the Paymaster is posgessed of legal authdri-
ty to draw for the arnotmt. 7 I put this questiOn
If personsin whose favour asslgurnents have Wit
made; to the amount of 10,9001.'or•upwxds, desire
to receive them from a private bank, of frfmi the
ofil;e, is it lawful to draw ' the money fioin
the. tank -one instant before each specific de-
mand, or in 'any other ' way .than by di:.thirt and
separate drafts ? I de suppose this will hardly be
contended; Yet this is
.an irregularity, if it is as-.
.serted not to be understood to beregular, and tbce
it would follow that- it is not legal. The result of
tl.is reasoning is, that the Art -of Parlinimnt is not
infringed nor Violated,: if, after an assignment, the
money•is drawn out of the. Bank and lodged' in the
iron chest Of the office, or in any other place Of, i-e-
--sponsibility,
.so as to be forthcoming when it. is
wanted, and tliat it' is not necessary every indivi-
dual should be paid by a specific draft. This was
not .a,, ittbjert altogether neW ner net previously
before the vi©w of, the 'Legislature at the time of
passing this ;Mt. The Report of the ConariiS,
.sioners of t7g9,, mit Of which the Mt of 17tis wag
truly said to have originated, imptited the difference
between the Treastirer's balance and the balance of
the Navy Pay Offikelo this; that as soon as the dif:.
• ferent Boards assigned the bills for parient, they
gave credit for the pay anent, but the treasurer did
not take' credit but for such as *ere. art-wily. paid:
Thus the Treasurer's balance exceeded the Navy
balbnce by the','tinThimt 'of that portion of the
mand aS,signed Which was kept back 'and not pre=
seated for payment. Nor' this difference the Com.;
missioners of 17V!•3 thought • the Treasurer .9s not
accountable to the country,' but that it belonged, to
. these 'who -were holders' of-the outstanding and un-%
claimed 'iksignments. 'this is *414 but there is
no, regulation. in the ACt of Parliament. to dire&
the Treasurerof tW.Nairy on. this point. There is'•
no histruolien as to 'detail
.drafts-or ntiallined
signMents. There is not -.a' syallable of rfrohibition
,'against drawingnmoney for these purposes, nor any-
reason to suppose the Art meant to prohibit them.
—Having said thins • much on-this sobje6t, I hOpe
now to be allowed . to call the' attention • ofthe
HoUse to Some other poi4s.. 'have given suds 3,,
view.of the Ar'i'as strikes me to be correa. lint
if the I'lou e
offered, is,a!)eirse'i~iains cif' opinion that tlx piny n~ents
shooksought to.:
et:rwav noeu
,\sel should die p.barletiiisi i
41-tle7iats tNiueaogiottaisllititsfrtecilth
make,have presitxt ed to uil.iln(Seass I back thought the
nlet to
fo
, i
~i i.tk it the mono
of sufficient explaratiOn on ttie snbjea. ,But ain
therefor e• acyliesee ia the large imputation 'exit
upon me ? rw-iy try. a .violation of the Jaw withottt
being a gro,;s it itt lit. brietuji 'of duty
withont being a high one and, :tiler tht, e:!tplanation
I haVe given, it to the whether I der
serve such a ,:e!ver-olinp.ittation cast on 411::.,
iii
the argturents 1 b 3., hithetio made we of, I bave
inonfly .Vvasqdrawn, withol:# any consideration at tile
manner in which the
reCerred abstraCte'n.ilv to the,
Use of it. Bat I 'conic! Understand how the
tiairoy so Arir.i n tuly be tpade the sout,eitt of,
private . ernolurnent without any ptcjvdice to the
PolAie: I teats neither trOro nor less than. this, that
there rtiar be'f-an
,urfdarsuitidin between the Pay-
muter tii;cl Alla Bathers to divide between them thp
emolUiiients 4.;:ising from the ui- of the' inwey in•
the trad6, t. ith tut admitting the money to bd ever
wanting whoa re4u.ir4d for the POblic service. I

may have Lien the more inclined, to fall into.-this
idea; because in the country „I am most .acquainted
with, into nest is allowed on all money lying in public
or private banks'. I beg- to say I had no infbrtr4-
totras to the profits rhat were derived. It was
owe suppesitien that sitne. such emoluments as,
.1 have, adverted t0,1,11121it,114ve; arisen ; that on. the'
~• wounds which I have stated,;l, did not interfere 1.0
.prevent them. It is ot4larlaa..few Months sinceAlzat a
is -Der was put in tri • my hands by Mr. Ceutti, the
• !e ling partner of the Bank, alseWing• the-nature of
th "profits really, made. I have, adverted, only. to
,at I conceived . may, have'.•been . Made without
prep:Ace to 'the Fiblic, or any violation of the
seeeedness of the public treasure. . The praaice
kcaaping tneney: in private banks for
,the details
of the service continued twei
.years 'after: I..oe4sed
to liOld the, .oifice of Treasurer' -of the' N,^faey,....—
it M-...tS :1 ::en discontinued by Mr. Bathiarst.as inex-.
redient. 'His successor (Mr. Tierney)" had- doUbts
the prepriety
,or necessity -of it. *Thuft-ethese
twa able men, were of an ;'opinion •Which, does not
u'riLorint to -ecnc4.3nriation of the praffice 'made so':
violent a emend of charge as .to me. • 1...4it0 not
speak of the use made of the money, but. merely as
~"to" tide Mode Of drawing it from the sank. . I have
heard it has . been somewhere insinuated, that the
anoney could be drawn frcan the Bank in this*man-,
ner only for,purposes rif priyate emolument. Pro-
bably this investigation may be pursued in ano-
' &et plac.e,---if it *should, I
,think, 1 shall there be
' able 'to`Shetv that the pi-a/Aire used in my Tree-
s :tership was the better. I think I will be able to
.d thonstrate that with the, ,Accounts of the Sub-
sA,:!;9l.tntaiits, under the .immediate controul of .-the
P.itnaster, it, would. be salitr and more ,convenient
to keep the money for detail payments in the man-
, uer then, pfactised, than. to make these payments by
4.separate drafts on theliank;' as is done new. I know
from the number of Payinaaters at the. out...ports, that
checks cannot apply to them, but so far as the pay-
ments ate liable to a daily:cheek,or .oath, the public
interest- and individual convenience would Certainly
be better auswerd.by the former mode, I will be
told no inconvenience has been experienced from the
present mode. The exiierience ;of that, mode is,
however, but very short, being but twelve months
under one of the Hon. Gentlemen I have mentioned,
and six inelitha under the other : it is not to be
compared' with the 14 'years -ex:perierice of the other
mode ; during which time rio other loss had accrued
to the Public than the balante of one Sub-account-
alit, and without a moment's delay of payment in
any instance whatsoever. I wish here to say a lioßt
. as., to whet has been insinuatecl.faorn the ,reserve in
thy answer to the letter of the Comthisaioners-of Na.
val Inquiry. 'The Commissioners.first applied fo me
(ea the ef.itli• of June for a liarloy Of details Which it ,
was impossible for me td give, and I stated the,
causes ,oi that impossihility.'At that time they were
possession of the Whole account between' Mr..
T,...)tter and Mr, Contts, No, item of this was stated:
to me,•no explanation was given or required. The
'letter of the' I..d' Nov. de.sieed that I shonld conic to be
• exatnii.ed with respea to answers previously given
'aid compared, witholit any. guide whatsoever. I at-
teA:led under the disagreeable impression that Mr.
"I'reeter had so blended 'his accounts With-: Messrs. -
Coutts,. to to be incapable .of furyishing me With
any detailedaccount saatsoevere so as to enable .me
to give any. sitisfaCtory explanation'. I Stated to the
Commissioners this disagreeable eiritimstence, and
lamented, that I was in conSequerice-at a loss.whe-
therl,may riot, unknowingly, from. tho, blended man-
'nor in 'which Mr. Trotter kept his
,money :-at Mr.
Coutts' have, sometimes; derived benefit from, th4se
of seine of the public. money. But I deny distinatly
haying, at any time availed 'myself of the proteEtion
of the .A&, but for' the purpose of keeping secret
things material to the public service. 'rine whole of
the reserve which 'was perional to Myself was con-
tained in the uncertainty arising from the blended
nature of Mr. Trotter's eccoinst with Mess. Coutts:
This I have 'stated' for the judgment of the House
on 'a point 'which I understand ha's given rise to a
great deal 'of animadversion. Another point Is corn-
paised in a question which I answered to the best of
my opinion, that:l never did give any inettuaion to
lay out any of the Public Marley in the modes con-
demnad. I do not complain oa . the animadversion
marle on the form of rnylanswer. I ought to have
said, distintaly I never did. The mode ot expressing
Myself, to the best of my retolleetion, is, however,
habitual tome, in speaking of things past, as, thou:
who have lived much with 'me .well know. It
would perhaps be not amiss for ;others if they used
similar caution with respea to what they drew
from their memories. 7.ins 'explanation would, he
tru,ted,,resmOve the foundation of the acrimony that
had b-;.en indniged in 'on this, subjea. The form of
this expression ditniniZed the confidence of the; as- •
517:111Ce, did not take away frorp the grounds of
it. It hai been also stated, thatl was at the same time
T'reasterer of the Navy, and Secretary of State, and
that my, connexions with my friends;and my predi-
leetions far office, made the hold these different de.
Partmenti When I ought to have confined myself to, one
ut thew. I will say in thepresence of one Who knows
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer), and in the pre-
sence if others' with Whom I an not in, any particu-
lar habits of intimacy (Mears. Windham and Gren-
villa), 'that I .never wished to remain one hour in
the office of Secretary. of State. ' At the time I ac-
cepted of the office of Tretisnrer . of the Navy,
it was appropriated to the, person at the head of' the
affairs of ;India, for which I really had ‘' a paedilee-.
tion. I accepted the office of Secretary. at State,
only, Sir, "a few months, till a 'Noble laird, then on
is loceigu mission, should return to take possession of
it, :When :Lord Grenville entered on that office,
and His Majesty appointed:Me to be Secretary for ,
the Horde Pepartinent, I begged that I might heti-
einpteil from the dtatY t;f that office, andalloWed to
• eley. myself altogether to the affairs of India,—
predileetion was not for the Office of the'Trea-
g firer of the Navy', but for the superintendence of
ladint Affairs, with which the Office of Treasurer
t Navy was intimately connected. I beg.par-
elan for trespassing on. the Rouse selOng, but I trust
',he peruliarity- ot my situation will excuse me for
(~n,,;eivourinr. to, convey the fullest information on
, c :ae to tine m meek 'of tile Honourable (setita.me n
who hear Me. No orportunity will remain to IIIC
fir canvassing any argument that may be offered.
; I am, therefore, particularly anxious
ti.; impress more fully every
,thing- that presents it-
my ViCW., 33 tiecesaary to set me right.—
as Co: the ,Report on' the table 'anal' the number
of tae .evide:a c annexed to it. I. have a high re- •

• cpet for the Menders e/ that alrnmittee, 4-44".1
can:lot help thinking that their delicacy of going
into •any-trfatteribeyond whuf they conceived "pre-
cisely referred to them, was. t!, cause why. manv
things =lamed in -a state- of half examination;.
:and .why some 'thinis ,remained without- explana-•
• tion or answer, which if gone into at large, would
have been attended with a much More satisfaEtory
-Here •the Noblo-i.ord again • adverted tce the
difficulty under which. he' was with respe& to the
•deficiency of the details of the accounts of Mr.
Trotter.- He represented the diffieultieS under which
M:. Trotter innst have been, in stating, merely
from meintry, things of ten or fottrtcon years past.
• I.k was at the mercy of Mr. TrOtter's recollcc-
tiot7, which those who were' best acquainted with
. Mr.. Trotter 'kneW to . be not so ..perfect as it had.
been. He represented the alteration that had taken
place in Mr. Trotter's evidence with respe& to the
0,0001. to Which:he begged leave, the next day,
.to add 30001. more. Mr. Trotter. had' also stated
'that. Mr; TWeedy hack' been.. employed as a con-
fidential Agent by him e but there was no ground
for Mr. Trotter to form such a belief; and when
. Mr. Tweedy's son was examined as to the the-t, he
• knevir of no such connexion, betw;een "titther and
Lord Melville ;• his father's books. 'had .no
renee to any such transaaion. With respe&to the,
10;0001.-1 am distreised,, said Lord Melville, from
• the manner in which I must speak of myself in these
transaaions :---during the whole period from t 783 to
1800 'I was the confidential adviser of Ills Majesty
with respe& to the Akira of Scotlaod, and had the
entire superintendance of. tilts. Government of that
Country, not indeed officially till I beeatne Secreta-..
ry of State for the Horne Department, but aatially
and in effect long before. In that situation I was
oceastor.ally. -called upon for aids which I ,could
not consistently with
.the.publie honour, er pri-
' vete security, disclose. I certainly feel much chi,ficulty, under a restraint which I cannot violate,
without a breach of public duty and private honour.-
When I came before the Commissioners of Naval
Inquiry, it was not with respect to. this 10;0001.
only that. I laboured • under this restraint, *but
.also a much larger sAm, amounting 60,0001. .
as it had been expedient the names of those to
-Whom the forty thousand pounds had been advanced,.
' (Messrs. Boyd and Benfield) should not have :been,.
dis Closed ; and know" grounds groenda which, if they
were known, to those whd made that, disclosure,
they 'would not have thotight it -honourable.even
now to make it. .But if such a disclosure had not
been made, I shouldehave
,had to, answer for the
40,oee]. also, with respea to which the. disclosure ..that has ,beere made now exonerates, me from all
blame. Yet I should have subMitted to all the
putation and
,obloquy that could have arisen from
the unexplained application wen. of' so large a
sum rather than violate a reserve. which • my. •,
some of duty diaatecl. 'Here' the Noble LOrd
entered into particular iterm of Mr. Trotter's ex-. 1
aminatics, 'He supposed the advance which Mr..
Trotter hadaltered -from 20 to 2;3,0001. ought ra- 1
ther to have been 20,001, for he re.eolle6ted that.
the interest he had paid for it ;was, iqool. Mr.
Trotter had stated the ,balance of the current ae;.
count ;with great accuracy. When he said the •
amount •of _this account was from 1 o to .20,01)01.
. against Lord it Ni'quid be .conceiv(:d that
there were at different times balances against Lord
Melville 'to that amount. If more partieularly
questioned; he weUld' have stated that no such
meanink was intended, that: he 'Only meant to say
that vas the iggiegate of the different balances
put 'together., The Noble Lord here stated that
the principal Occasion of this advance was to
make good • his .payments as a Subscriber to the
Loyalty , Loan, to which he was told- lie ought
to be a contributor to the amount of ten or twelve
thousand ponnds, from thd official situation he held.
He had communicated, through Mr.' Henry Thorn.
ton, his intention, as soots as the. deposit should be
made, to sell his share, bUt the stock fell, and the
subsequent payments were made good by Ceutts
or Trotter. He never considered this as a part of
his property. With respeit to the non-paYment or
interest on' the current adeotint, Mr.. Trotter hav-
ing in the course of fourteen years had balances ,in
his favour, and 'a total of 70,004 of his money .
having passed through that Gentleman's hands, the
consideration of interest must have been but of a
.paltry amount indeed.on eithet side,. With respeCt
to the 40,0001. he had some doubt whether he
ac-
tually suggested the advancement'of it, but he was
sure he at least approved of it decidedly, , and thee
. fore he would not. shrink from'. any part of the
responsibility attached to the • transaalone A. to
the
,Felrt of the Report relatingge to the. inforalA'
'tion given by -Mr. Itaikes to Mr. iitt, did' dot
lecolleect," thd precise words he ma have made
use of when. Mr.' Pitt mentioned it to but
he was sure it must have anuitinted to this; that it
was an idle Tumour without the smallest foundation,
that no money was taken froM the tank blit what
was regularly assigned, and'vehat v-as necessary for
• small payments. With .respe& to the business of
jellicoe, the deficienCy had accrued before he came
into'office; and it would have, beet) a severe grieV-
.anco indeed, if his Majesty bad not been iidvised,,to
give him the relief he had received. If more _bad
not been- done for the recovery of the balance,
he was not in fault. There was another. subjeCt on,
which the minds of men were very fetich astray, and
this was the release between Merino awl Mr. Trotter.
'That Paper had been sent to,hicn,a ciiStance of 400
miles, without any previous advice or'corninuaica-.
tion. lie believed it came to him not by the leinds,
of any man in business, for it was sicced at hit; sell's
house, in the pre=sence of twb of his servants.
He had not given any instructions toMr.:l:totter, nor.
any'other person, to have such a thing prepared. Mr.
Spottiswood, the Solicitor,' was since dead ; but nei-
ther his son, or hispartner, knew any thing, or lueird.
any thing, of any such instniment, adive in
his busieess. at the time. If the release were a bond
for. the destru&ion of the proofs of chilies committed
in cotutnon byhiin and Mr. rl'rotter, this Very instru-
ment must have, been the most effeEtual means of 'the:
deteetien and conviCtion of those' criint!s.- , It must
have been known to so many persons concerned in
preparing it, and it must be put on record to carry.
it into effed. The execution of it at the time of
the appointment of the Conamissioners of, Naval
Inquiry gave an idea it was meant to keep out of
the way'prools,that may, come before, those Corn-
missionerse but what security. was there that this
release itself' may not come before these Commis-

sinners, and thus afford'asatronger. concatenation of
'a laver. It was therefore absuidato consider this in-
strument as any thing else than what ,it kaas, a secu-
rity taken against the. use, that might be made of
particular vouchers by the heirs of either party,
after the account -had been- closedlo the mutual sa-
tiSfaftion of both. This instrument was supposed
to covenant the destruction 'bf all papers; it spe
cined-only 'the destrueliOn of vouchers, - and he saw
no reason why books of accounts should have been •
supposed to be included, except from extraordinary
jealousy. It is' not, my intention, said the Noble
Lord, to take up much more of the time of the
House. I am certain there is no man who will not
be sensible of the great anxiety I must have .felt for
- these many Mouths 'during which my condua has .
been canvassed under such a variety of modes and
shapes of proceeding. I should be.guilty ef very great
and dishonourable -apathy, indeed,' if I could, declare
myself -insensible to all that has taken place in this
.tiateavith respea tome. But if any person thinks to
overthrow and break down the spirit by which, I am
impelled and supported in resisting the. imputations, •
cast upon, rue, he is mistaken. 1 know this is not,
a place where I hilly utter ally syllable. inconsistent
with respeEt for those -who -have been my accusers,
' but I trust. I have strength and • fortitude to, bear
sup against all their attacks, and that I all equally
unassailable by observations from other quarters:—
But-I ,confess that the lashes that have be en.laid on -
me,liave lacerated the feelings of my dearest friends,; '
and barn not ,ashamed to acknowledge, that my
own feelings hate been severely lacerated when
I considered the! 'hands by „which- the strokes have'
,been levelled tilt me. I hive. no difficulty insaya
, lug, however, that I:. am prepared -to meet all
the .consequences sof ..the present procee tangs, as '',
I trust my chareder will not die injured -in the de-
gree that may be supposed.',
.The time may come,
and rapidly too,, swhen,. the ; irucaitres; that have
been heaped upon me shall beadOne' away,:and
thessurrent of publicprejudice that has been so in-
dusteiously directed against me shall subside. This
is out theplace to. davell upon .such topiCa. ' If Dive .
'• to see that daya.it 'Will he the more satiafaelery to
me; • but if it. should be the will of Providence that
I ,should before then- descend to my grave, without .
these invectives and prejudices being doneaway, I •
sham' have the coe4olatien to thiok -diet posterity
ivill.dajUstice.to.my memory, and the whole trans-
,aetiOti mill, be faithfully recorded in the -page, ofini-
partial story. - Having .said thus ranch,, l shall beg --
to add 'a
few words on 'the subjeat, of the, Motion
which. I underatatid is.' to be brotightaatt.this day.
If that Motion, or any. siniilar 03. e, should be, ae-reed
to, I shall be placed .in ,s eathe most u:toeStetry
situation that. ever human Whig was.. It should h
• •conaideaal too, that these proceedings .are to be di-
reatCsi egairast a person,, of high rank, of high situa- '
doe; and one-:who llad been lalioister of State: Such
a,, person may be looked upon as a fitter obje& than
-any other for such.' proceedings, but I should be
.sorry that he._ should_ be made •a precedent whereby
• the meanest peasant or ;cottager might ..be. abridged
. of, his rights; for the universal. adoption of such a
course of proceeding. woold shake in-veer mates secu-
rity.. Wherevera prosecution has been commenced
• against any individual,' it, has. been. usual to leAre
himto„ a. fair and open trial, by, which the inch-
, sure of punishment may be ascertained.' But-what
has been ,already: dotie in my -case ? - -Is, it no pu-
, nishment to have been stigmatised by Parliament ?
Is it no punishrnent-to have Resolutions containing '
this, stigma carried' up .to the Throne ? Lit no '
,punishfilent
.to have been declared unfit to hold
enyefifice, of trust ? This stigma is a Heavy punish- .
ment, and, One . that Lee been carried as fir as the '
maters -Of it thosight it could be,carried ', If an Im-
peachment' had been adopted in place of. any other
:proceeding, and that the prosecution of it had been
successful, - whaacensequences could hate resulted
from it that would, have been more -s1: Vert thaw
what have already been
,intliaed upon me ? It .would -
in all probability be-only declaredthat I' seas Unfit for-
holding any office. : I do not say, Si,r- that your
censures are the same, but.they are, tantruzount tct,
.and equally severe. Cae 'any individual whose be- .
soni glows,with the ardour of amhitien, say",-that
mine has K.:en a 'light punishment ? The. tire of
ambition,, must . necessarily be. cold in MY' breast;
but to anyone tavessty years , younger, 'who has his •
prospects :.before him, and glows with a desire to
diitinguisla himself in the service' of his Country,
would's:lvy punishment • lae the• heaviest that ' could,"
befal him. A atignia haabeets cast manly feelings, 'j
my faixiily,.my fame; my 'cliara4ter, iaid,my Poste-
rity. But is this 411 ?-a-The Attoraey General has
been aliteaed to 'constnenCe'a•soit aasainst 'tea'. for the
recovery and diseovery of all,property that hits been
acquired from the Public Money, whereby toy whole -'
property is.' to be subjeaed to legal inquisition.—
But I may be told that it is no' punishinent , at all
to be Compelled to account forapropertyaillegelly '
acquired. IS ,it eio punishment that. the little of
life .which remains to me should be embittered, that
the repose and retirement which 'I proposed to en-
joy in ': the decline of years, should be disturbed by.l
attendance on the prOceedings. of the, Courts of Law?
'But this is not'all. Is anyerian 'sure that thyproperty 1.,
may 'be liable not only for what I may have received,
but for `what I hive reit received, 'and that ther&v
my family may not be reduced to • beggary I 'Yet • '
this 'may. be considered ' as a > consequence 'of. the
• measure. ' But there arc 'other reasons why the Mo.
tion should not be agreed, to. It cannot be. supposed'
that the illustrious Members of both Hotasea ere
ignorant at what is passing its, the Country, and
there are some Members of the other House who
have- lent their names: to the calumnies and in-
ve6tives that have been circulated with' indnstry,
to the remotest earner' of. the Country it my
memory does not 'fail me, a man of the name
-eftaikes who had . been heard to use some intem-
perate expressiohs with regard to the persons on
_their trial, was challenged as a. Juryman, and the
Judge avdtild notsperniit him to be of the Jury. How
'then could those Noble ,Lord's who had prejudged
the question sit as Jurors 'on a case in which they
would appearalso as, accusers.' But suppose the lus-
peaehment should ' not be adopted; , and another
species of trial 'he substituted; -I appeal-to the can-
dour of the 'House,- and .to the 'honour of threw
Gentlemen who exerted themselves :to much to .
"in.flaine the minds of the - people on this -goes- •
(ion, 'whether an Unprejudiced and impartial Jury
could tat. obtained .? ' No man v.'ho• coUld harangue -
all that heard him,. or all that would .hear him, in '
Palaceayard, could justly Auci honestly propoat

bar
of thtt.

such
Lochancodounr:e. Nathcr could: these who '.-
cation of theg
to the same purpose in the Cosincil Hail or the
iqvuileigstit!le,reLlviynsiilistaeneitiynon:rdriiPit4ii,;
nun' to his, trial before a Jury whom they had Pl 6?
diced.. This leads Me to observe upon tho 1106;.„,
idle rumour, I suppose, founded on misapprebui
that such a course would be proposed. 1 th,t
1 .111aco-eYxivenstintilgr,ei to say, that no such fecliiiprow
1 with the body of the People, or with. tie
sentatives of the Country. Anbther obsenO
have to make, that if a criminal proration 01:',
be instituted, I should be pat on my tfel b,ef're.t4')
on either niigurilits(libetli°lannsd;Cd4bthveart,t,t)h,tBh!oridtheeccetoil
. _ great hazard of' the prosecuted. V-IrtY• Icjv -ri
but fair to leave the trial and, the punislenestil,
single jurisdiaion ; and one should iting.ol3l,l:iii_ttl
quiry _should precede .proseeetion. I ntlit ,4
not be left a solitary instance of a course ofpw:;:!,
ing so extraordinary and -unexampled. 71
nth
be, the case, not one mall of rank ranio
'ht 51a,,0
• hope that the privileges of the stacrgY.,ris
. exclude a man from the enjoymeat. of tlit"A s
which are founded. in the. principles of o'l
ictisurTitiift),hcerse:olNfanp:ollabdlll.l6lnraTtotaniknßristaEalAnnhecidDa‘ctlrlias'os:sereestatliiiirileiec'l,ltl):l°*EtSt.lit°';:3ll.'.
bLoagatiloeur. ?icttiouhaNtv.ihtdlhoradm - i
must have given great satii.,:fa6tioi
the Noble Lord' who was, the Sul
btheeenHbouroseuglQiit.'
clopri\n.
Resolutions pf Censure; tad taken'
of bein heard on the charges. ago!
afford himself complete pleasure
leoeiliilupresset°itf tlotitine 'sl-rw6el
it was his -intention to urge oil
. Noble Lord, after having staled
terms his innocence, bad exprest
- that posterity would do hiel.justiL.
-possible for the House' to take, on thi4 —. coolf
• . assertions of the Noble Lord; ,which wet? „40:
'-to his .own testimony on oath, and to tlia.o.v,4i.A
of others also under-a shniliir sanOtion. iii°3,i'orel
• - Lord was willing even toga to bis iri,ll,: keele,t,ol,l
that thereewas no competent trio. ill
.w.
,hapi
to try him ;' it was impossible for line„P!3l4,
on ,an Impeachment betbre..his Peers, I.lc‘s;li,
of .them had-already prejudoi,hl4.(i4'e' ',fie
' paftild Jury cool be tbund in the 01.0, it'o,
their lilt had been contaminated 4140044
that, accordieg to .the statement of ,tb°,,,,,1ee,.,,:
• there vv not a- single individll2l ill th.e, c(tiiir
try clornpetent to try hire; 'l'o\osl4 ine
,te 010
. speech, the. Noble Lord bad said, tliat t i.e 'lO
ti the '' ' ttAt•
proceedijn„rs; adopted by vote - voiitl.tV
iliconsistent".with the 'Motion be PA etl.'
that night; bat he denied the assertioa:,;:ol.
en :the Learned Gentleman. oppesit.,(!„,,il 4inl i''
General) to, watcli. all that shad tall 1.11b1„.,00,4
'this sl.thiea, and to cerrea hint if he, ,•1,1),°1,:',:o. ply,
and he 'repeated, that not we of thfietr,owstito4
readings was 111COnSiAtellt.With tht•"Lti; the ,10.
'shoeld have the" honour (st. subinittiag tt I ii,oe,
. , . ;;,,i,,,,, . j
that night. The Noble L;ord had ''..", 0.0(
t .111. ,-140
thing that had fallen Inini the, pl-e Sat. /le P 9
the 'Navy on a. former °cc:l*ton.. vill'lt s tiue';lse
Gentleman ,bad very unnlceSsal:4 P.u,.;, sj.stiAe
hint, when Lt fitit gale notice ot,A.*',.tioli f0,'!.„1,1
this night, whether, in brieging th°e',..,vc,) ',Olt 4,'.:
' lie acted as the organ of deo c;oln,a:lttji eet 1';•1
himself let fall a single
klonOurable Gentleman knew I°-" '‘,,' nj lie P");
'riot the ors,an of the C.ointutttB'* "t colfilcP4;
.• Gentleman to suppose that he ti, as lotyilliTio
to be any organ at tile Committee, 1..
Dlithdlit
• tionably have been the Chairaten. „,,
ri,,,,01et
.4
, question. was Put without neeessi,tY;:tilgi.%sV bOri,,,
been put without design. it Publii tbe otOcot,
expressibe tha It
too
..,
for the purpose of intimating that,l,e 01 t130.4i4
been brOu4.4it forward tVih4t tile tri - Iva Otlii,
rnittee. ' The Cominittee, 1101. ,tibi3; 1,4,
to any decision or resolation en ~,c'el„c",i.llll?cri,
a ?Member of that Committee, ,Aet:e floe PJ, i,
self as justified in Subnlittitig ti? i eivio a'e,:ll4cii'
mops a Motion, such as lit' 'a'
Commit to r.,,,,1ff:,
founded oh the itepert of the malt 10.,,roiii
'of Columbus, winch bad with s° ,J, tiii, Wei
themselves voted the 11e3olutio
..115.ii1y:,.1 ; 0t.,i,11:,w#
iinh of April. The first proc°,..";:oterc.ionl„4.
was a IWotion fora Committee
.1,.",...,' .o',lllc.ll.x.:si
matter of the •Tenth Ileport,4l;`coontOvc
process had been proneed' ‘'`estri6tiOes, Aole
a:greed but undo such soli, ,0. was w1.„4
' clereci their inquiry of littl°,- '.5 )rediole(l.
..1 d
ward's proVed, and he liad Lao. I ..
__, 3 cieiit
* *iistitatios , _,,
~
erhottviil.sLlCh 2Vilt.o
the znotion. was made tor idinctit. 1,,g1 t?'.",,,:0i1P
against the narOeS, all' .Alliell'er'esinia -1)1441/1,1,IY
Posed in oileter tot übstitete a • r;r,,j,- ),,ii
but the Oeil- said had boo) -I,oo4.autioai.o3iiii
t.'villialt.s;eittildPrbe,t,e-ilt:lt'llfe acenseiltl2,-..700' iiiigVii,ol
we to be. admitted ? irhe 4- slutice, OW ~lid.
at a,
frir tinie defeat ~ the ellas ' ~I,ineet, I,tY 0
,
a public delireeteeit from al,' lin, ..),f3;o,aiiist. ,1,11.Zi-irm
ing_ii civil suit to ly. ecturiten(-:-..'t Doe civoP,oi?
were there never in fira two '.11,1 f the, .s:011' 0
'.other% criminal, oirriect 6t) 163n0 atroci''.`!33iiiirl.
'' 5 1 ao‘ viiti
dual?: \Srhenever _the elfol-' ''..ll' t,.
,ii ciol . t.,i,
-call for exemplary cleotise,,ll___,,,e„,, cod .1,
,_ .- #,'
place 'for the recovery. of WO. i!.lriiil „iiiil It."",
: I lit 0' ,IV
prosecution for the painsena, , ;talcs in 1 ,
54,e
1.., ~,i be.t.n , Ili,; d'i, ,44
withstanding- all that Je sroala 1:01114,
Lord, he cc ii,t 'cuzit,..ioer,„titt.at 0 los; toriws,4l,4,
would the Cu'len). c- ollsidc,r,,tiuti otistiii,frdl/..0,11. A''.i.j
the nitiney would be :i svilicif,,, ~ war, pot
‘.4,,,..1 f0...1
meta t ill the preiie..nt ,c:1•!
....liii'ill yNieGii,t.,:7o34,:;
however, to cOnlieeace a '-i."l, lot e 11.; .tl,',4'„ot 1,04 a
a civil suit leas tieFelidi.llg' :' - .14 Colli'iorpi9
kjAit oi:it __li
)s.l
do ? Why to tut the 1 ;al ilia u'-' eon• ,10
to abanflou the civil suit '5 1.,_
a, ,11.,,3e,cu
4_,• vi ~,i
ecl, aud to instnute 'the ctialt,'
.' 'i.i.hiii a',,4061
.3,0 Ito P „itett;friie
alone could lead to. an 34---Tz„,,e ,vel-,.nc. ',,)i
delinquency. - rilere ivi.-i
,1401,,J t 0,14,
~,,;
that Might be. ad•pted, tc), hourt,,i by It ,:l.iPiej
.ei.op $ ~, La , wviis ,
till the criminal' pt.3014.-:.'," he, Ne,:, le , baik, oil,
terriiination. , But, sz",_t .:o,,:,Licli C'. afj 8110,,/ li,
place .me, by. adopt:Pg twlivilich. ilo. illato;rY
to you, in 3 sittiatio..lll, ray t) illy 1:.0 chi, ti
placed ? • Will you nttli, vuo s'g':' /:041,':01
--.1 • ' dia.ons•at Vl° • . '5l-t ..j'''- t 0 cY
seve.,.. entis , . •-- . vs rrii. ' i'o ,-,
11,Cd - ' •-, N°.. 14'1;
evidence talten ,in._ pp arci"..,-:, , ox ;11,1
another, to influence it 4 ; ~ ~,kl•ronee civil,
~,044:1
situaticn of M. 1iA.5144:.;
_hew_ 41 ~
merit Neas-bronilit ' 43'1'._ to I:iiil'
also pending 'agaiust 1140
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dt the suit of an. inclit'littal.. What digi'm- Y Loa
Loughbbrough on this pension ? ' Hee direfted the
i.iit.to besespended till the Impeachment should be
decided. This was exatftle what 'he proposed, and!
• ' he 'was inclined to think,. that the. Honourable and'
Learned Gentleman opposite •(theAethiney-Gene-•
ral) had not made/ such progress in the suit yet,
and that no evidence had yet been ••produced
in that cause . which ,would be detrimental to the
Noble Lord if produeed
.on
rt a pe
the Imachtnent.
With regard to the latter pa "the Noble Lord's.'
Speech, in which he appealed to the feelings of
the House, he was as much alive as any Hon. Gen-
tleinan to the force of it. He was not insensible to
the fepiings of the Noble Lord's • family or relatives,
or to the degraded state in - which the Roble. Lord
tad represented himself 2S•placed. lie Mt. Unfeigned
torney anci regret on the occasion • but was it con-
sistent with.his public duty 'to `shrink from the pro-
measures tecution of measures which he deemed essential to
. ' Alle public welfare in obedience to such feelings ? The
situationet the .Noble Lord was the same as that of
11,11 great public delinquents. As to the defence which
. the Noble Lord had thought proper to ?a-take, so far
. gas he from thinking it a justification, that, in his
!'ittioa, it fUrnished- additional • documents, aggra-
!tiee even thoselouse-of
parts of his ease on which the.
Commons had already voted cond6mita-
:!n. The Noble Lord has said that.he Was already
•144131/ed. How ? . The Resolutions were voted.
4,Aillit him, and on the same
tight a Motion made
c4.41-.A.ddiess for his removal froth office, which
theasl44 ; %Teed to. The Noble Lord then resigned,
tee
~ ine went Honourable Gentleman oppostte setae*-
lil-1111 to withdraw himself from the vote of the
tee l. when noticd had been given of a Moe
, letieLlr 'an Address for • his - removal efiorta His
, ii,ereis . Counejls, the Right Honourable Get- '
0796 again withdrew him from the vengeance
of licae. se.' • So that it was not in li jote of that Reese, censequence
but of the advice of the
pit!! elion. Gentlentan, though he had before
)4 .441 S intention not to give such advice to His
alt3t7 that the Nobl Lord had b6en struck out
teoirc.,epeeti.,
trait i':. . .. e ,
et
cc
Privy Counttllers. The additional
ces that had now Come out With resect
licitlr: Teeth Report rendered it imMssible fort he
1
eteein:Qt' to adopt the Impeachment or . some
~i,
Cod prosecution. prosecution. It might be. said, that the
••,. eel n'eetu. e had .no power to Investigate the ques-
', such ". Participation, and, he admitted, that no
••. 1, PoeTer was
eae no intent' c
delegated to them, and that they
, ter
tarn i
.10a 01. going into it. But the mat-
hit . e. oefore them incidentally, so as to warrant
perti I'l• charging upon Lord Melville, that he did
%)e tciltl'ea;ete, and it would have been a dereliaion
into ier `",,,Loent in such a case not to have gone
_eve!: , :to reduce. the question to the analogy
Soecilti:lvate.life : suppose a Gentleman employed a
Jr to Setd© the books of his Agent, and not
NsPeetiri , 0 •
need not inquire very
tutor he Is le integrity of the Agent told the Soli- •
reents closely into the ac-
e• the e 7 he was convinced of the nun's honesty;
the
accoo teltor should discover traces of. corruption in
to he :lints. would lie not be bound to report them
?ally ,e_nelPloyer? So, the Committee, when inciden-
theeo,e acquainted with these circumetancea, felt
eeelyes b
and N ei °end to report them to
.the House ;
' en -the laid beforethe Ilot.ie what
cotese x , •y are
hey • V4a to . be taken hut .by Impeachment
, tee NtFre yet but bn the brink and verge of the
*.:overies tl ' •
judge
tf wi,..,. Lit would be mede. They might
eeteet'4l was to Come by what had been *already
out • ,• • ei.. 1
of to , as a giant's statute might •be ju eec
y the, parine of his- nails.
-ailed on the
eletee, e
~ ~ 0
tee e,o.)eierefore,, to vote for the Impeachment of
0n iiiilel ler '4ord, o A n. three ells/in& grounds eeet se
ti il hiefi TlN'ef his conniverice at a breach, and
14 Partici )r•eac'h of duty. 2d. On the ground of
en hisliapetion -with Mr. Trotter; and finther,
a reitas„ V,!lig obtained, 'under frautulent pretexts,
e . -lee ere 'or certain suits Of Money -Clue tiom the
at, t. Ad y ii.
-11 ac a co eeeacoe. As to the first, - the -
-yeti ieti ,_ rernons has- eiedared that the Noble
'the N4b?!,en
, guiity of an evasion of the law; wnicie .
b"tael, oes, -1-dord denied, admitting,' however, the
veinteeee, duty, though not a gross one: • But- he
treeeit.i4that Noble Lord had committed a
• 1" take 1 of toeaw• and of his duty. • • 1 le should
thieeeiv. 'P the tinee of the House by noticing the
tote```"'s
Mme Naele Lo d • the Resomuone,
..e. led
, . r on
~ " apeeeeeeaireCtly to the grounds ot the. charge.
Nee 4 first, that Mr. Trotter had an unli-
ke • P°wer of dee • • - - • e
;'lets to res way the money voteu for Ileavy
Ita eee time atneArit front the Bank. He drew
Pa lute e4,' a million; and. Might draw, as he per-
; this wli .times-%'41 dot*, all that was in the Bank.
e: keel, "'one The grand ' -t Lord
charges , against
A. ft,ecrio, that 17, . . • ,
~..' for theeetetie etnteving at this prafteco he sot=
. it when one,. y to be carried beyond hia-tbatroul,
„.• berlieht be ° 'o4eed in the Bank of -Mesars.Coutts,
,iew hat was '_,PPheri be them as they pleased.—
;.oleeetteel"V tei4h-cs, by theleport of the Seleit.
11'•14 given t rift the power-which Lord Melville
els letter °, "de. Tiatter had been delegated by
lo wheel °n I'4 Icing to Scotland to Mr. Wilson,
e, e Ile left Wolk dr f
-:" centtoei . a ts ; so that neither haV-
tontimee °ver 'the • other the•praelice *might
!eel eee thsoilee all , ,e
~
lee „le datteers , e the telerks in the Officee
lee_ '3epetiel i". the public treasury multiplied.—
, C-ih Otliee. (SutY, he was afraid, was too corn-
eeettilt it heehr• had fotmerly stated,. that •he
tier, lea,oeese ie term'er/per, Under thy: present cire
iiiteklarieet„ , •gut Honourable Gentleman '
tl 'Oll eel •".e to Mr, Wilson. in the 'same '
%el i "‘ he he
e e 1 keer , Ide But having seen that Gen-
llteeie • e tee eiej,el •
t- . Committee, he thought it
tetre4•Lee•to him to • , lieu ',eel Nee/Re bah that his demeanour wee
• Gus 1,..f4ci, Ile t;ji' -411 d - that; accurding to what he
iotiii.4 hut flu;laved very well in the business-of
e 3. Wheel
ee,e he had. refused to answer clues-
, ea, et. , eneet lead to discover of • le a-
Ireitt n 101111,4 . . a tecovery ma ers
b'eel Ater iii. tee I,`.e(.°l.et.- he. repeated, that it was
e :tk.ti,„ _ . - .-4ight Hou. r'-' - 1
.xcinicniall ' to continue
41ar A"'a'lle pig
'
llebi, iteteb„
snout- -te, ''hen such conduCt•ought to
,lay!c. Thee te ereent on the part of the
tie, 'l4-hed 1 .lord.`"°hle had said that till this
"G -tied lilt hae ea . , , .
h'ar'd
4 her a„e . . . opportunity of being heard on
e • $4114t 11. Had'h
' '
leeeit'll'en °see e
,f.. 4.'1. ..- e not , been. cell-
' eej i le.,ien,le ?re the Cornmissibriera of Navel .
ttlet'':ie he 6eo, je Nnehed to • be, heard befoee- the
h °eke. `` llaVe- writt e •the-
lee'
t Tui)i ‘'hell th'el
.1. 1 to Seenker • or
, _. e, /1,,,
ee , enth Report hatl.been• laid on •
lte7iriee., ,„:'7to • to the ' Commissioners Who-
et7t r_ te lei irt`etneyeleclinede haYinginede their
kett:ltl ,tit,e tee!'''''uches cif fain leigisleture.• • Did
Nelettee w the Speeker tb ~ lie I N
eeee,,
~
sites een . 0.---
"z e;clr.h.usnteeeeette laid on the-
.

TVs`* as eentaiaiisq a full justification. No charge
Of participa,tion had! been made before this'oecaeiou,
and 'the defence of the Loid had strengthens
•ed the inapressioneso his mind. The Noble • Lord:
had stated, that the Bill:for replating :the ,machi-
nery of the :Office was less perte& the.4•the Array
'Pay Office Bill: But if it had not beep adequate to
its purpOse, -who was to' blame ? If he neglecied to
brinis in A Bill for the arnendment of his Bill when
he filled it dele&ive, 'had. not the Public cause to
;muse the Nroble Lord of inattention to his duty ,
With regard to Mr. Trotter, through WhOse'agency •
the .whole ;business
.had been concluded, had the
Noble Lord represented him as a person not
.to be
credited ? It had been stated by. the Noble Lord,
that the Money had been drawn in small sums from
the Rinke and yet, in the absence 'of Mr. Trotter;
in Scotland,. 40,0001. had been clrawn by Mr.,Wile
son, 'and the-person by whose
.desini that sum had
been drawn stated the drafts to have been for small
sums. The:Noble Lord had made en extraordinary
assertion relative to the, participation of Mr-Trotter,
which he accounted for front his being a Scotchman,
nemely,,that as it was customary in Scotland' for per-
sons lodging money in the Bank to: be alloWed some -
share of the interest arising. upon it, he .derived
the sante advantage from the money he lodged
at, Ceutts. 'No such pratlice 'obtained in thiS
country ; but . the Noble •Lord and Mr. Trotter
had lived long.enough in England to know some
allowances was. made in extraordinary transa&ions
leas ing laege balances in a Banker's hands, but'
none at all in small sums. The Noble Lord had
said, that he never saw Mr. Trotter's accounts with
Messrs. Courts till he saW the Report, and if Mr.
Trot!,er had deceived Lord Melville in this instance,...
whatever may have be,!:). the merit of hii suggestions
which led to the Bills for the better prote&ine of the
Property and Mims of Seamen, all of Whiai were
good, he onght'not to have been continued in his se-
tuation. The Noble Lord had said, that if 'Mr. •
Trotter Mad been asked in this. or that manner, he
would have answered fully. But the fa& was, that
Mr. Trotter had been asked in a variety of ways
whether Lord Melville had participated,. to which
he would give no answer. As to the excuse of the
mixed account, was any man so credulous as to
believe that the proportions might not have ',been
immediately ascertained, of the different Funds.con-
&tinning it, by simple subtraaion ? If Mr. Trotter's
book and Messrs. Coutts's book had been lost, yet
Messrs. Coutts remembering the aggregate sum due
to Mr. Trotter to have been 500,0001. though they
might not recollectthe items that made, up that ag-
gregate, Mr. Trotter, by inquiring of the different
Sub-accomptants their reapeEtive • balances, might..
have. ascertained how. mach of that aggregate was
Pnblic and how-much was Private. The whole of
Mr. Trotter's funds must have been Public Money; ,
or derived from the misaPplication of Public Money.
He had been recommended to Lord Melville, . and
appointed to a place with a salaky of 5001. a year;
and it was imposaible with stichmeaneliecould have
had•money to lend to such amount, ,if not derived
from the tine of the 'Public Money. The Noble
Lord had said, that the Money bad been ,draWn
foal the Bank only for Navy Seriiices: if that were
the case, it' might have been safer to keep it in a
Private Bank than in the hands of Accountants.
But then why not ;amend the Bill ?--e,The Noble
Lord had revived an argument which he was stir-
priSed to hear, because it had 'been abandoned by.
every one that neither, less had accrued to Abe
PUblic, }nor *lily occurred iteany, Payment, and he
was therefore ashamed to take up the thne off' the
House by considering'stiai an argument.. The Ad,
when brought in by the Right Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Pitt), had been represented as calculated to
remedy all the defects. in the office, and the person
ss•lto was to succeed to the office as the most fit for
it. Before heshauld examine Whether any l'earti-
cular *loss had been sustained by. the Public, or
whether the Noble Lord- had participated with
Mr. Trotter, he wished to advert- to one , &cum-
, etanee ; the increase of eatery to Lord ,Melville of
10001. per armiure ,of
in consideration of lodg-
ing the Navy Service Money in the Beak of Eng-
land, and giving up,* use of it, was for 16 years
lost to the Public, as 'the money had not been left.
in the Bank: There was another circumstance also
,which he wished' to advert 46 betbre he came to
consider the quettiOn of participation. The Noble ;
Lord had said that, there were only two persons,.
and Mx'. Trotter, Who were acquainted
with the transiEtiolis7 Was the. Noble Lord igho-
'rant that Mt. Trotter had refused 'to answer .before
the Commissioners of Naval Inquiry ? That he had
been several times examined bestore the Committee,
and refused to answer whether Mr. Tierney lied•
participated ; and then after three days considera-
tion.he had returned with a written statement, ad-
mitting, , that he had only advanced from 10 to
20,0001. to Lord Melville,
.and that Mr. Tierney, as.
everybody knew, had derived no profit from the use
Of tee Public Money.? He had ,aftersvards repeated
the satne information before the Selea Committee,
which the Noble Lord had not, contradiaed. .As he
had proceeded, by degrees in his evidence, there was
feAson to thinkthat When properly roused he would
give More. From what had appeared before the Sc-'
lea Committee there were additional grounds to
suspet the Noble itord,Of participati on. Was not, his
confidence' in Mr. Trotter, and the refusal of
Trotter, to =wet', a strong prestimptioe of participa-
tion ? • And was that preaumption lessened by the ha-
bitual mode of expression of the Noble Lord ? He was
more than ever inclined tosuspe& that the Noble Lord
had participated.. It was a presuniptiPn too, that
as Mr. Trotter could have none but Public, Money,
and ',Ord Mellville borrowed from him, be had pir-
ticipated. When 'his Lordship had declared, that he
had not knowingly participaned, he was not aware
that a. balance of 5;0001; bad remained in his hands
from his 'Ex-treasurership, which had not been 'paid'
till within these few weeks. Another strong pre-
surnptiOn Was, that his Lordsbip..had never mention-
ed the. pradtice in the Office to the- CoMtnissioi r 3
of Accounts seeti, nor, the Committee Of fi-
nances in 170. Another strong presuMption arose
front destrnaion of Books -of Accounts, winch
. did not belong to the Parties' only, but were else
the. Property: of the Public; and would have been
. preserved if not destroyed for the purpose of de-
feating ineniry. His Lordship had stated in his let- ,
ter to the Conentiesi6ners, that he had been in the,
occasional habit of destroying useless 'vipers old
yC.t what. appeared-to-bean inculsisteticy on tli.e.face
el it,' he informed them,, that- ,had uo ClO4llll

•
for .Itakini ont tlie,Ateount they desired. Amongst
the aegravations, that: had been brought to fight in
the S'eled Committee,- it had appeared, that larger
advances than were hefere kribtvat had been inada to
-
his Lordship without intereste;and*et his Lordship
had unblusisingty told-` thorn,- that- ha wwld net ear
reveal. the application ;of Some of these-advances,—
;Before the Seled. Committee, Mr. 'Vrotter had
cunfeased that the Books had-hi'xn destroyed, in Con-
thrinity to a rehear; executed bet Ween hini and Lord
Melville. • The Noble' Lord had said Much of this
release, bUt his suspicion had been strengthened by it.
It was not 'till he had been two years out of Oace,
thatthe thought struck Mr. TrOtter, that such a re-
lease .was 'necessary: In the' inter. al betwen the
appointment of the-Coannaiisinnnt Navel Inquiry,
and the.signing of the release on .tht isth February,
a precept had been issued by the .Commissioner's of
Inquiry-on the 17th Jan. for an Account of the ba-
lances in,the Navy Office. The Noble Lord had denied
'having given any , instructions for preparing such a
deed, butSpottisaVoed had been. Agent for
both parties, and knew 'what course the nature of
their transactions required. In the common' sense
view of it, be agreed, that the Clause -for the' de-
strtidion . of Papers *as nonsensical, yet after the
release was executed, the sympathetic conflagration
took place here and in Scotland. • The Noble Lord
• had stated tlielClanse to be in the common forth, but
he appealed to the Hon. and Learned. Gentleman,
opposite, and to everyman- acquainted with it, whe-
ther it was so. They had examined Mr.' Spottis-
. woocland Mr. Robinson; his partner, and they
knew nothing of-, such Clauses. Mr. limes,. a
Scotch.Gentlemans whom they had-also examined,
stated; that a Ciause.tbr giving up Voueliers was usual
-in Scorland, but never far their destration. eWas
riot that overstrained anxiety to conceal the trans-
adion a-presumption of guilt ? :These Were the cite-
curnstanceithat had appeared before the Sele6t,Com-
rnittee to strengthen the presumption of his parti-
cipation. There was another new circumstence
also,'whiCh had come out before that 'Committee,,
and afforded a strong prekimption of his Lordship's
guilt. He wits the mord- diaposed to state this cir-
cumstance as it' came out in evidence befine the,
Committee, inasmuch ' as it„ex.onerated the Right
Hon. Gentlemen :opposite (the Chancellor of. the
Exchequer), from any knoWledge Of private etnolu—
meat having , been derived from the use of. Public
Money.—Butit vitas therefore the greater aggrava-
tion of the guilt of Lord Melville, who had been that
Right Hon. Gentleman's Brother Minister, who had
been the confidential friend of that . Right 'Hon.
Gentleman, to whom the Administration of the Fi-
nances of the. Country was intrusted,- Mid who, ne-
.
.yertheless, had'concealcd frOut him this criminal
prediee, which that Right Hon. Gentleman had de-
clared,* Wonkfhave put a stop to if he knew it. 'The
Noble 4-rd had not told that Right hon. Gentle-
man as he had .done; the commissioners, that the
Money was drawu and lodged at a Private Banker's'
for safety, hut that hebelieved the Drafts were not
increased beyond what the. Service required. He
'could not but think, however, that that Right Hon.
Gentleman had been deficient in duty,. in not best-
ing inquired further into the business. He had too
much confidence in the Noble Lord; and had been
betrayed by hiS liiend. What had Lord Harruwby
said, when asked whether he knew of any. abuses in
the Office that he had -nct inquired, because the
`Office had been regulated by various Ads of Parlia-
ment brcnight in by his immediate Predecessor, and
having been 'a Member of the Committee 'in
1797, he had no reason to suppose any abuses
existed. The Rightllunourable Gentleman (Mr.
Pitt) had said before thee Committee, that he
did 4114 think Lard Melville adverted to the
Ad, or thought the praCtice illegal. The No:.
ble Lord had adVerted to the intlemity of Mr. Trot-
ter's nienrOry, and that was one reason why the
documents ought to have bean presarved., The
Right Honourable Gentleman 'hinisell; who was
one of the 'brightest. stars 'amongst thoSe whom
'talents and..oratory rendered eminent ip the world,
he whose prodigiola powers of recolleition could
coniniend transactions said events Of distant periods,
and bring them to bear on.the. question 'immediate--
ly under diseussidn; even he, .in time of needh could
not draw upon his memory for occurrences that had
taken place within a. few years back. -He could
notrecollea having made' ante written memoran-
dna) a the Conversation.. These circumstances,
and particularly this new circumstance, aggravated
the-guilt; end if on a trial theetaluble Lord were to
challenge every. Jurynian, and seled hii own twelve
men, it would ..he impossible for them poko con-
viate him. The eVidence W 45 circumstantial, but
,-there -were no cireurnstahces that might pot be oVer-
fhrewn .hy a thee. :He did not. call for convidieu
on' circ4l.l*atice; but that the, ,Noble Lord should
he put -upon his trial, when his Lordship would
have an oppottuility,4 disproving tlios;e faits which
' he would pledge himself to sea, emtiate. The
Honourable Gentleman then pnaeee, ei comment
eiu that,. part of his Lord dip's ee whieh
related to the stuns Mr, Troth':
times advance- to Jahn, ae , . that.
their assertions „were eopo..aa . . t t that
was another reason for seudine
He On adverted 'to: the sums , isii Mr. '
Tweiiate. ,and contended that seer account ee given
wiiere or when the sums were received, te'eeliere. or
when they were paid. It was perfeddy unexplained
by .Lord Melville to what. Itubiic Purpose- he
had applied the Public, Money that had. been front'
time to time advanced te liim.-11-e had Wit been
. in any high situation in. His Majesty's Govern-
rnenf in t78:6, when Mr. Douglas was 'Paymas-
ter, that would afford him the pretext tiaea6serting
that he had applied the money to confidential ser-
vices; let he will not revwl-eehe does not otter to
state it even to a Secret ComMittee. It he would
state it et en
.toes Jury of,flonuur, caimposed.of his
Right Hon.. Friend (Mr. Pitt), the Right Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Windham), who had formerly
been lo office, and any other. honournble man,
and they should acqiiailit the lionse -that they
Were. sat..sfied with hii expleuation, he tots would
be satisfied, , If the Noble Lord had any friend in
the lips°, if he had any relation; hit latl tho'c
belong to per 'ems iu high Otwitions,
would apply to the tiou'ie to do aWey all that
. had been done, if it would interfere with further
prciceedingse arid.-to put him on .is trial. What
did the `Noble; Lord
,He says 1 um- innoceet, but
do not try me: and he addA, that panerity will do
hint jartier'..---'rhe Hon. Member Laving thus gone

through tWo parts of his charge in .rach a 'Manner
as-he trusted would induce every ruan of haeow;
and evdrY" man of reeling, an ji4tice 'to Lerd
and to the House, .to put . him on his trial.
He -came .tiext to consider the third part, relative
to the acquittances obtained under false preter.ti
for 24,0n01. duo from Mr. Adam Jellieoe. Ha% ing
dwelt for sometime on this topic, the Honoura;.le
Gentletrian 'continued • contending that Lord ;NCI
vile had not been punished. Fie felt it to be
duty to call on the House of Commons not to 'eon.-
via., but to put him on-his trial, that. if grtiitty he
right be punished, or if 'innocent he might be at,
"iquitted.
.It had been said that_this was not a den
for engaging in the. trial of -delinquents, Whcz, tti.!
exertions of. all classes Were called for in . the •de-
fence of the State. But the fault was with th,
public delinquents where guilt rendered such trial •
necessary. lie should not propose the articles of
Impeachment in 'the drat instance; but-a shirt:le...Re
solution; which, being agreed to, he should prop-:se
the articles.' It had been said that, the trial by linß
peachment was tedious, but this was not always so.
In the ease of Lord Maccley.tield only LI i. days had
elapsed.between the Motion for Impeachment, and.
the pronouncing of sentence. Aa. to the ;it
,a subject of this serious nature, that ought nx. to t.c
considered,. heavily burdened as the\i:ountri, 'W,AI
at present. If it were not too poor to be ro!A):.J,- it
ought not *to be deemed too poor to 'render it
justice. In .stich.a cause the money wolild be well
spent It would convince. the -wolid, 'either on the
one hand* that, men of the gite:ltest consequence
this Country were not out of the reach of ttif. 1;;;;.,
or. on the other, 'that we were anxious to 'give. sties')
men every opportunity ofjuitifYink their -cortdu.:4,
and proving their inuoc49.w of the chargys'ilddileed
against them. Mr. 'Whitbread concluded with oh.,
serving, that he thought it his duty to move, and
the,duty of the House to concur in the ,Motion,
" That Henry Lord Visiount Melville be inipcao/wd fOr
high' crimes and misdemeanours."

. -
Mr.. BOND, after expressing his ,agreettient iii
opinion with the Huai. Gentleman, that some fiire
Aber steps should be taken in this affair, declared his
dissent from him 'in the mode which he proposed to
pursue -; to Which : he .should therefore .offer an
'Amendment. The proceedings 'of the Huttee .in
this business
.seemed to have become somewhat.- '
seubarrassed, and with the. leave. of the' fleuse he-
'old take a short review of thien.---Witen the .
en. Gentleman first brought forward his Motion
Ora Censure of the condo& of Lord Melville, he
hlrel voted against it, because he considered it as pre,
t
:mature, and that it was not founded on a knowledge
cif all the circumstances of the case. The Motion
however for Censure had been carried; ' The next
.step was the appointmeett of .a Selea CeMmittee
to investigate closely the allegetions of the renth
Report. . Restrictions were imposed on ihat CZ.psu
Mitteue satisfa6tory, no doubt, to those Who pro ..
posed them, but quite the reverse to him. The ques-
tion that then aline to be discussed was, whether a
civil er a criminal proeecutism should be instituted?
Resolutions of . Censure had already been gassed
against Lord MelVillee He could not egree with
those who asserted, that this was no punishment: of
the'Noble Lord; he should think himself wanting
in respeet. to the dignity of the .House did he agree
with them;' for his part,, he should consider the ex•.
presSed disapprobation of the Housceas are rsf the
greateatealamities that could befal him. After this,
Loid Melville resigned his high situation as First
Lord. of the Admiralty; and here again he must
differ ftona those who asserted that thisivaa not the
necessary effect of the Vote of Censure. The aitiake
ing off of the Noble Lord's name frein the List of thd
Privy Council was unquesticnably the effea.Of that
vote. . Under these circumstances', . feeliug that, this
punishment was in itself severe, and being satisfied
that ifthe ends of justice %vete satisfied, themoat le-
nient mode should beadopted for that porpoae, lie sups
ported the Motion fora civil proce:is, because that was
the .milder measure. The question now was, Is
there not new matter sutlicieut to warrant a different
mode of procedure from that originally adopteo ? iie
contended, that the eircurnstpees recently diseiosbd
are not only new, but in a much higher degree
criminating than any that bad hitherto appeared.,
They proved decidedly the participation of Lord
Melville in the prChts,made by his Agent. In the
first place the 10,0001 which Los.l Melville iivowed,
to have been expended in the Secret Service. ofSeots
land, and which he declared, on wing questioned 'as
,to its 'application, that no human power shotild
Wrench it from him. Was that a satisfa6tory an
swer ? Was it not rather a Most dangerous precee
dent? and who could say at what , point it might
stop ? Did the Noble Lord lend this sum, or give
it away ? If it Was a gift, when was it reviid? If
it wets a loan, how was it possible, whatever cutia,
sus and delicate circumstances might have attended
the transaction at the time in 170, that so inlay' ,
vear4 should have elapsed without 'allowing of. ire
being divulged,? At' a subsequent period there
was a sum of i i,0601. unaccounted for.
„Were tlmice
not new fits ? The charge was ;lot that Lord Mel-
ville had l,:en a piner by any partieuler speculatiolee
but that Public Money .had been generally diverted.
from its: proper course, from which- he had derived
adventage. It \yea proved by evident*, that money
had been so diverted, , that the Noble Lcid lied laid
his.hand.on it, that it had come into his possession;
and. it was. bet fair to eOnClOcie, that, the thaw ire .of
protititig by it 'vets established, Tneae.tWo groufids
Were a sutficitit yi.,tincation of a criminal prosecu• ,
tibn ; hut tlirr ~,.';.r:.t ether 'strong fade in reseree.
The. Hon. , (.*.titleinan, ad verted to , the co' iiiersati en
between Mr. Pitt and laord.Melville„.after the QOltli
munieetion Made to the former by Mr. Iteikese and
reprobated the eundut,A of. Lord Melville, in. conceal, -
ing the truth trout his Right Hon. Frieusi. it ,wai
impossible to blame that Wein 1 fop . Gentleman for
alke.viug himself to be deceived he li;d niselythings
of great importance pres'singptl 0 at.,:it.lQ4l-, and, wad
°bilged to owes impeeir conedere:e in those with ,
whom he a6ted. •No IkUrie, qierefore, a:tuched to
him, but, very serious blare,! to the, :V•4ble. Lord: "Wuen
he praCtised that deception be 1:-.!iewthat he Was in the
Wrong, he .I(ne.i that if the real suite of Ile case
was explained the person to :.viir..):o he was eddress-
Mg hinyielf 'Would -have c.feEtually prevented the
recurrence of such abuses. .Another strong fife; '
was the circumstances attchtiUg the exchange of
releases between LoTd Melville and Mr. Trotter.
The Noble Lord pretended to say, that had it been
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