The Sun.
London, England, 1805-05-03 00:00:00

iIItEACK,OF PRIVILEGE,,

Sir R. AIILDMAY presented a Petition from
Peter Stuart, proprietor of the Paper called Me
Oracle, then in custody of the Serjeant at Arms, by
order of theliouset for'a breach of .privilege in a
paragraph in that Paper. • The Petition WAS as fol.
lows

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44
That for the publication of that part of his Paper of
Thursday last; deemed highly ail iisive to this Honourable
fluuse, he 'eels- the deepest regret and that although cer.
taro expressions in that- panqraph be indiscreet and unguard-
ed, and .mlO as have incurred the displeasure of so import.
ant,a Branch of the British Constitution, -yet that' your Per.
titioner humbly hopes, on this acknowledgment of his sin-
cere sorrow,•that this HOtiourable HOUSe, in th e. plenitude
urns condescension and liberality, will be pleased to pardon
him tin a transgression solely attributable to the hasty coin-
po34ion of a Newspaper, alai nut to any deliberate designs of
oilinding this Han. House., • .

_ .
That your Petitioner -is emboldened to solicit your ink
dulgenco and forgiveness on his well founded assurance, that
during the several years in which 116 has ccutdueted a News,
paper, it has uniformly been his principle and pride zealous--
y to support the chaiader anddignity of the liouse of Com-
mons ; and that it has freqitently 'fallen to his lot to have
vindicated both from the charges or Societies expressly in-
stituted to bring them into public disrepute and contempt.
" in any observations which your Petitioner may have
published on the conilud of Lord Melville, he could not but
hear in mind, that the views of those Societies,
,abetting do-
inestie Treason, and assisted by the co.operation of the
Revolutionary Power of France, would, he verily believes,
have eMeted the clestrudion of the British Constitution, had
not the wise and efficient measures brought forward by that
Administration, in Which Lord Melville held so conspicuous
a situation, been-adopted; and this Honourable House would
not, in that case, perhaps, have been now in existence,
either tocensure Lord 54eiville, or to pardon your. Petitioner.
" 'Thar if any thing could increase your Petitioner's regret,
it would be its being suppoed that the Objedionable para.
graph was direiled also Against. the Right Hon. the Speaker
(if the House or Commons; that your Petitioner has no hest-
tAtiort to declare, that no idea was ever mit: remote from his
tiOndi anti that your Petitioner would ht' the very last persOn
to iststitu:ttetissy ;blur, diSr,„;•titut It; I .4 a mharatler whom he,
its s:onjOisciion wills the Whole Nation, „highly' esnetom
_as 3
privin‘t Gentleman, and most , profoundly venerate as. the
and public: organ of this' Him. -
'im. Petition tieitig read. the i-Inn.. Baronet
m•lve4l, that the said Peter ;aitt t be brought to
the 13.ir and -dischAtued.

The CfIANrCELLOR Of the EXCIIEQUER
conceived the support the Petition stated to have
been. given to Administration and the House in
. very critical times, to be mentioned only with in.
tention of excusing a single offence by reference to
a general habit contrary to that offence. It was
true the Petition was couched in a loftier style titan
necessary ; but be believed it was common to all
'connetteci with the Press to assume to themselves an
extraordinarrdegree of.itbportanee. But whatever
may be
,the amount of 'the opinion; of the serviee_
this person had rendered, the allusion to thecritical
time when the Con 'filiation Was in danger, and the
Administration of which , Lord :Vlel v ille for rued', a
part, together with the Honourable Gentietnan up.
posite, was adive
,in bringing forward' measures
'for its preservation, was supported by the autho.
rity of that Honourable Gentleman to the full
amount, that if that stand had not been made, there
would not -have been. now a House .of, Corn.
moons. h was not, however, limited to the audit,.
thy of an individual, 'however eminent, but was
further supported by a large majority of that
House. This person felt gratitude to Lord Mel.
ville for preserving to him his share in the Con.
stitution. Those who were of a different opinion
may not like the language or the sentiment ; it Was
nut, however, one insolent opinion, but the same
as the House had sanctioned by its votes and its
aks, With respet to 'the principles of certain so.
cieties, the language of the Petition was equally
borne out. With respen to you,, Sir (addressing
himself to the Speaker), you certainly did not
,want 'llia person's rasped; yet that was .not un.
necessarily included-, in his Petition, as your name
had been introduced as an aggravation of the ifs.
yte
on
,:e6. With
li.n
o er:ssopne
mtio,k.syrs)oinifutioutrrya.etcbihtoy. aingrta;h:tl:aervroto,:tael'ts:a:
vote individual, or your conduit its the situation
titan
I do ;. yet I cannot think a in tjority for.ned by
ytlo:rf Membervot edreinthaannuathnelrai
only
objenions made to the Petition were, the resi,ea ex.
ptirottslseardenftoerrtaLord nil
-
spat expressed for the S,,eaker. He was sitritrised
these, however over-rated Oe, misplaced, shmild
raise such a flame, as that Gentlemen should think
it necessary to reteeo the Petition.
ilfrs (VI VL5(14412
a small
aliifct.stti:ac are
the
regret sorrtta► and
in
to the other parts of the Petition. The Petitilyn
was 'not couched in the terms lit for a r,:C4ntation
proceedings that had called fiJth the severity at ti.e.
House. He .would not disrute the title of Lord
Melv tile to this person's nor the
of the St,.,eatter to his respe:t, oor tlie instice of t:)47.
st,etement of iris oven merits. Bur these were title
of place in the escheat,wn a trat
Cliarad.t.r anJ cJnii);exioti cat t;le Petition
}vary indtCerir. He wouikt therdcre t 4 ink it right
to move AMCntillient.

Sir \Y, Buititowy: to order, t-;Nrest,4tt,l the irn,
propricty of inJkitig a sct:oud byiwity of
xpi

Mr

severe, btiOtre language • of this Petition rendered
it impossible for him not to accord with the semi.
ments of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Windiono)f first of all
there was. grdsi offence in the libel ; the sort of
apology Made at the Bar did not do away that of.
fence a the Petition aggravated it. Ho asked whe-
ther there was not, in the whole tenor of the Pct.!.
-lion, Something accusatory ant' defying dis.
tf apirrove of the language of his Hun, Friend (Wr.
Sittertdin);• who, in'his'zeal for, the liberty of the
press, debcribea this paragraph-as mere milk and
water. A More gross, lihcl he had never seen.—
It was: nut merely a transgression of the buundS
ttf
decency in the waftpth of discussion, ho a dired
attack' on the charader- of the House in its judicial
, .
capacity, saying they were intemperate j uttges, and
When an appeal Wasofrered they gave it a-presinp.
tuous negative. knew ~ot what amendment his
Hot,. Friendintended to pr,,pf,se. Instead of tieing
discharged, lie %VMS of 01 iniort that the offender
should he sent so Newgare but he would' eontent
himself, in the first instance, with giving a negaative
1,0 the Motion.
Mr. CANNING th,urght that those who had
brought tide matter bef're the llouse, having on a ;
former night declared themselves ready to acquiesce
in a discharge without any 'punishment, could not
now- consistently call for extraordinary severity
:sorely because the Petition was mat worded' as they.
wabid have wished. Ile claimed credit for his
Atglii'llon. Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchir.
quer), Who, at the time when those who brought the
matter to a vote would have been contented to
satiety the. censure of the House With a sirtiple dis.
Missal,'repteientrti the necessity of a stronger pro.;
rending. It appeared: that the Petitioner had fallen
nn 'topics that excited great indignation against him.
The ive he had tryde of the Speaker's was,
iniwever, excusable, considering the use that had
been made of that name to aggraVatc his Original
offence. He tfefied the Hop. Gentleman-to 611eW
anyone disrespetiful expression in she-Petition,
,or
any one the omission of which might not have been
:static matter of censure against him. There may
lie Oredutidancy of- worth.; but :thai was a fault
commkin to the Petitioner with the NkTriters'of other
Daily and Weekly Papers. A new era was now to
be found with respect so theie writers. If the
wily Press Wias to be checked, it must be checked
without partiality,and theweekly publications must
iie restrained at the same time. if a general cla..
moor wits to be raised against the Liberty of the
Preis, let' it be recollend with whom it began.
He did, not conceive it wrong that in looking back
fu the bold and meritorious straggle Lord Melville,
and 'Aloe Orineded with him, had made in times
Me), critical, this perSon.shOuld feel gratitnde for
bet% preserved in his humble station, and' he may
think himself entitled, vainly and presumptutmOy,
perhaps, to some merit for his own ,assistaoce in
this great i,ervice. The faets were on record,which
constituted the groundi IA- the credit fie gave Lord,
Melville, and thtitigh Lad Melville had fallen a
iittitn,. there was nothing wrong in doing justice
to the iyoutintitr of his charaiter after the vote of
=soft!. Ile was sorry this discourse tkas
duted ; jlstice, with wliateverlorge it was admi.
nisterrd, should be adminiSterediMpartially: Enough
would be done in this instande '.if no censure at all
had been passed.

Mr, S RIDANNis unwilling, in the slightest'
degree, to run cOunter to the' extreme latitude he
had ak*sys professed to allow to the Press. II
eumleinned the unseemly threat of those in, power 10
Clip the Liberty Of the PreFs, which they may at 7
tempt on any slight ptetence. Eiji Hon. Friend
Were justified in dr. parting from their Original lenity.
When that lenity was abweit. He had said. this Li-
bel,, published by this person, was comparatively
mild, and he was orty hail been noticed, because
When the pruning knife was once brought into use,
he feared it would he most used thOse who would
• cut of a branch under pretence of lopping extiheran.
Ciell• fits einilct nut forget the excessive duties which
rendered almOst inaccessible tie readiog'Of that for
which' popula-r cariosity is naturally must anxious ;
the Acts: which did nut allow a hand-bill to' be print.
ed without the priritet's name, and the Statute by
which a person convitted a Second time. of a libel
ns;ly be transported in Botany Ray. The Petitioner
had &hewn him the PAitiony anti he had draWn his
pen across all this exceptionable hatter, which some
-other adviser had persuaded hitn to adopt. Tlic
mon had modesty enough; underihese circumstances,
not to ask him to present the Petition; but he had
had the, gond fortune to fall on the worthy .111ronet.
He could not: ellow. that the merit or any laws be.
longed tG Ministers, or theitasiticiat;7.s, hut to Par.
liainent alone; he tooktredit to Opposition for de-
rating the fabricated Charges of plots and:conspira.
cies in 1794, and declared, that it a pers'on brought

to the 13 :if-,IT instance of Adminittration 11110-Uld

seek some support for himself by calling on Oppo.
sition, and claiming their support on the ground of
ha vie% maintained the same principles, he Would .
reject that man ervally as the prtsent. Ho was
*tarry this stgravation had been given. 'He would
vote for the Amentlmtnt.
Mr. bllo,ll^,- ereriit to the House for flit
ismi it hatt en. .t wiFiiied it to he remertibered who
had proposed these, law and whe.had opposed them.
Mr. Sli 14. 1 IThtt explsined, , .
7 `lie 'ATM R. 4V41." GiC:NE!'? AL could not help
considering as very extraordinary' the condua, of
iltose who represented the original publicatioi as
a mere milk Innt water thing, and at the same time
as a serioui wh., from the manner in Which
they aetcd, now they were in a majority, shewed
they valued neither majority nor rninurkty but such
as they were in. The only ohjedion to the
;tan was, that it referred to certain topics, and in ri
way that 'was nut necessary. The reference •to
former condo was as cvideoce That there was no
inteotional offence. 11 for (natter that may have
been better pass,,d over, the Petitioner was to be
consigned to riniilitnent not clop to the uric. final
offence, the House must sec it In the hattiship of the

}At ec ding.
Mr. O'f/ITSREAD could not admit the tide
of Writers of Newspa ers to sit in judgment eo
tne HouJe. denied duo Lord ;way ell.,
tided to the merit of the Ads al!oded to, if-atiy
in: #ll .he: he desired the fitsuse to rri!ol.
t{-,t the N 1, ,t(I wo guilty 'of )6 years 'mai.
t. I to aLtppobeti tho parast4lt and

the l'etition my have been written by one I,f -the
Minority, and he condemned the revival of hostility,
long passed, at the time when if was owitvgit-, no
fee:hog:of that'kind that his Hon: Friend ( Fox)
and otner,Gentlemen'on his,aida of Ow e% ere'
not sitting on that "Bench alongside the Chancel..
1,,r of, the, Exchequer, who 'had representethitein:
for confidential offices. He wisised the Petition. to
'be WitheliaWn, to present another consisting only of
the first page.
A. conversation arose on the point of form, whe.
ther the Petition could be withdrawn ; bur Sir H;
Mildmay declared he did nor see a single improper :
word in it, nor had anything come out in the des.
cussion to imitrcehitn,to-change'.hia opinion.
Mr. RIDER. saw in the Petition, in the first
instance, as decided and distina an apology.as it was
possible for words to 'convey, and a reference. to the
merits of.former cantina in excuse.: lie had no de.
sire to revive animosities, hut'he could not help feel.
ing indebted to the Noble Lord for the conduct he
had held'in'very trying-times, whatever censure he
may lab Our under now.
Sir ;Jo HAI NEWPGar obP.ne.d to Mr: Canning,
that he had represented Lord Melville as the Vidlui
of tha_anger of the douse.
Mr.,C-AtiNlllo caid,- he had used the word viftim
but once, coupled with the word displeasorc,,and
foie-iiieirig it might, be objected : to, he had eor.
reeled it by adding " though justly,''
Lord' I:3X 13cAilii.rue- was particularly' hostile
to the improptiisties in the Petiticn,.after the- warn
ing that had been given by the Mon. Gentleman.
opposite. . .
Lord MAR stiAmagreed in the credit dne.to the.
Administration that preserved the. Parliament from.
revolutionaryattack: ;. but he-did. not think, it right'
in a person coming to the
.flar to inireat the% mercy,
of the I.:louse to. bring forward :matter.' whiCh.pro.,
. •di .
ducedversity of opittion„and watt likely to give
rise to warm debate. The !taint of newspaper crqn.
position was known; but in this instance the yore
had taken place before the late Recess, and the of.:
Pensive comThent after. -
A conversation. arose as to the best mode of
getting rid of:the:Wain to make room. for a:new
-proceeding, in which Mr. Whitbread, the Speaker,
Mr. Grey, 11/1r Fox,. and the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, toOk apart without coming to any de.
.
Mr. IVILRERFORCE was friendly to great la..
titude of discussion on political subi:cts, 'sand even
in the case-of charattters,, thoug crolsore
of that kind was more to be wished, than he would
be disposed to trust te# tllC..ultimilatt_ coo v idion a a
Jury. fie did not apprive of bringittg this in-strer
before the 1.-lousein the firs.t itist,ol,:e. tic allowed,
the merit of the .Administration that. had as eff:ao_
ally repressed Jacobin principles. lFe thought there
Was very little to,,re in the Petition, and that not
of the best kind—

0 father, my sgrrtriv will scarce -lye my bacon,
'Twas no that I murder`d—but tna.t I was taken I

• He deprecated the compromise of allowing this I
Petition to ,he. witlariwOs for the Purfahe
senting another. He condetnned the language of 1,
the Petition, fat eodeiivourieg to set 'one side oi
House' ag4iOst the other. The Petitton should no
adelws itse:f to one side or the oilier, biro to the
whole. Ilou4. He. wished for becoming, 'but nut
unbec,irning, laurnility in the Petitioner.
The Soetetrott-GErtt e!,st. eunearted in alt the
tepresentations of the Rm.-Gentle/11,m who spoke
1;, ,r, .then shewed that the laeguage of the
Petitiorr was in every instance conttirmable to the
princiales laid dot.vn by the itm. Gentleman.. He
had addressed himself, nut to a part, bet to the whole.
Houle.; he hail expressed great:Sorrow, andhad nut
attempted to excite diisention.
Sir It. MmumAY'and Mr. SHIlitlO4W explained.
Mr. Atittge train the begin.
ring that this matter was unwottli), the attention.
of the House. era time when matters of .the great.
est importance demande4 41 its care.
iyfr. STURGES BOURNE wes, averse to pro.
•secutions in 'matters of this
.kind, and 'he thought
the House should, as seldom es possible place itself
in the situation of being judge iii' its own cause.—
An Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Shari-
dee) had etated as a ground tor nut referring' to
the Law, Unit a jury had' acquitted the publication
IVlr. Reeves..of the charge of tele,,e of priej.
lege, cast upon it by the Report of a Comtnttlee.
He, on the contrary, thought it is strong reason for
the House to be diffident of its own judgment, and
unwilling to refer every thing to it. The Hon. ,
Cientletnen intended to vote against bringing the
Petitioner to the Bar, with a view to 'make biro
present another Petition. fie- was sutprised to
hear such doCtrine from the other side of the
ii„ube,r fie knew no restraint on the right of peti-
tioning the House, provided it was donsr in proper
terms, anti there, was nothing in the terms of this
Petition in the 6Enallelt degree disrespectful. There
was no one passage of it that tartlet:ion the House,
or any part of it. It certainly did refieCt eel-
tarn Societies, formed with a view to the destruc.
non of the Constitution ; but unless any Gentlemen
Chose 'ta identify themselves with those Soeieiies,
they 'could not consider this a eifleetioo upon them,
or 'call for the resentment and vengeance of the
House din consequence.
Mr. SHeRIDnN in explanation observed, that
as the Hon. 'Gentleman had said that there were
eutue parts of his condriCt on a former occasion
which he should ever remtniber, it would be jest in
hint to he accurate in hi; recollection of them. The
fad,. was, that in the .present instance he was al-
together wrong, for be bad,not moved for. 'a prose-
cut-14131n the instance alluded to. That Motion had
bees made by the :Member fur litidport, who was
nut now a Member of the 'Hc.)iise,- ',Ana.,wl* the
subjeCt was .first 'brought for word fur an Inquiry
ltfter the authdr of the Libel, in a Committee pt the
•k whole Hnike, it t,ttt been soppLirted in a most el°.
querit speech by the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Va.
Wilberforce),, whose concurrence with hint on the
present que3Tion was Matter ui sincere Satistaelion.'
He had himself been chosen Chairman' of that Coin.
mutter, wherein it been trona that Mr. Reeves
war, ills Author, whe..ll he reported 'to the House,
wiierruilon a prosectrion ',vat ordered by the At tor.
Bur so tar had he been Croft) original.
1 kg a Motion to that etfCti, that he; had voted

ei>iwlnst it.
•

M. 8. BoURNE

; • &ir 7,11. MILA'Ek thought the.paragra,,,b sylt.:ch
11411 heen brought under the consideration of the
:House ront.tined a-highly intiecent and improper
continent on the Vote that had been the result' of
!th:liherAti,,n in that House. He contendid that it-
' tv,t, ntcessary, for the credit and the tlivitv of
130-11,tinent, that some notice should be taken of such
a kinky.

Tile question was put, anti a division took place:
le I bringing Peter Stuart to the Bar 142
Against it. . . . 12 1

MajOfity --21
Mi. Swart was then brought t the Bar, re_
primanded by the Speaker, in a ihOrt. address, and

dincharged.

'IVIOT1()WOF, TI-TANKS TO NAVAL COMMIS.
SIONERS..

fir; SHARI in rising purSuant to his
notice, observed, that if. there-were any persons in
tiie•.House- who-were indisp.Aseclio concur in the
Motion which he should have lb!, honour to submit

to tlic 1-1-uiti. who hhoulti collo with r6loadoce to a
vote of apiltplomion rcipeEtit% the condtvi of, the
Cotutnissioners t Niv.,l Iticitttry, he could not, but
conhik!er. AiolOcky that rendctcd

necessary for him to ri.e thir hue hour. , He
troslo, ItoTyticr;,that it w old nut. be necessary fur
hitn, to occupy mtich-of ►l►e time of the H►itise; and

as he- though that the ge6erdi feteltiigh of.the H
anti or the C,,u,,try at huge, were with him, it
wouht—pethip. be the hest mode to submit his

MiitiOn wittoor other comment or pryiace, than
•

simple reference to the RePorts, on the :rabic. But.
as the Right Ii inour.thle Gentletn.in oppOsite (the
chancellor. of the' EX-tet.l;.ter) had expressed, his die.
yorailletion Of the con,lurt Of the Commiosioners
as in sorn- instances uhltecoming, it would be ne.
4,ssary. tOr him to preface lii Motion with a few
; but he shoulti. not dwell on the sub.
it a- at' any length, as he trusted that the Right
ant:Atrable Gentlemln, if he did not' retriol,

‘ioUilAt lealit not Rress his (sbjet.lions to the M.).
60.1r1._ If, however, he hhoukt. perrevere in these

ohl:ltions,, it woulti be incumbent on him to state
delft, stutexplicitly what parts of the Commission-

ers' wort: reprebenlble and' unbecoming.
This wai aue .to the Cominissioneri, with' a view

to give effz.,l; to their (mutt contludii that 'they
should hOt he under the tilsapprohati,in of any one,
much:less of the pertani at lila he 4 of ilia Mllle•.:Nts's

Government. , It was enneceesary :tor him. to say,
that the Commissioners had been aepointed under
very peculiar eirCulliStanees, and peculiar ilisadvau.
tages. It was not to investigate the minute pee..
c.ttfillua of inferior Office, but to detei.t the ctithjoal
negligence and corrupt connivance, on the part of
the persons at' the head of the different' Depart-
silents that they had bei.n appointed. They had.
to look power in the face, to examine the condutt
of pet suns high in ifiCe, and to report' thereon to
the House. A 'Coimisaion of a very diXereht
Lute had be-en appoiked by- the Right Hon, Gentle.
Man on another occasiOn, cvhieh, 'ComMiasion the
Hone.GentlenetnAssid, on a Conner-, night re-
commended to him to team. He had read the Ad for
that CtilimisSion again;Litnt,lcould ',mere the HOuse
that it gave the Cooninissioners full power to compel
anywittiesses to answer that inightrhe brought /idol e
thgtos as to' alai, abuses- in the pelllic efficea„ whether
the .inswersanight involve selftritnination, or tend
to eliminate rickety. Tliateanother distioatli'm •
also which it would not be unntcessoty w point out.
The Right Hon. Gentleman's At;'! Was the most po.
pier gentlemanly Mt that ceuld he it sappobecl
tlr.i.e she heeds, of the deltas t tee tits ,wete tncapable of
ittinse, area of them, called on the
114aak of the Na Aalmicalry, ited Sti.k and hurt.
11,;arde, to order antleompet the sulta;terntand clerks
in these different dip trtmenis an give every'infer_'
[nation concerning the abuses trl their 'dikes. This
was a material distintliort. lie had said that the
Commissioners of Naval Inquiry had been appOinted
under great aisadvantage, amid had eneutsuiered
discouragements. It was here unnecessary to te.
mind the House of the opposition which, the 44 for
appointing them bad met in the first instance, even,
from some of his own iesends, ar of the cry that had
been raised against it as giving extraordinary, powers'.
He need not recallto the Heuse the manner in which
it had' been rtir:t b 1 'Motion's either made or threaten.
eel, or by *Motion that waeriot seconded, Soon after
the Bill• hail passed; the Right Holt. Gentleman
himself hail brought forwale a motion for an In..
Attiry- into the conduit of the Noble Earl thee at the
head of the Admiralty, charging hitn.with being'
guilty of a grtiss miscoilkft in his office.. A change
of Administration afterwards , took place, and the
Right Honourable Gentleman seas placed at the
head, of His Majesty's .Gatiereineot ; :tvhen Die .de..
elated, that on looking minutely into the circum-
stances of the case, all he had. heard Rnd seen had
confirmed him in hie former /opinion. :Yet, notwirli.
standing, the Commisiirmers had virtuously perse-
vered in the perfermance of their d4ty. Theie wae
Clause in the tort Arr Welt bad been grossly perverted
to purposes winch the Noble anti Learned Lord
(Le;rd Ehion),, who had introduced, it, coal& never
have intended. lt, had' been made the preteat to
curer refusals to 'answer: questihns necessary to come
at the rest of the abuses. He should attivett' to one
instance, though not the most iniportant, he meant the
case of his Right Hon. Friend •the Treasurer of
the .navy ; and here .he, would observe, that it
would be well if the House were to define how
far a 'Commission appOinted by them should sub.
Mit to have their inquiries thwarted by 'official
impediments. The `precept was -ditetled to the
Right lioneorable -Gentleman without effe6l.
Ann if he, of such raek, talents, employment, and
estimation, obstrutfati the investigattun he,
who was the Flag, the Signel.ship to all the inferior
Vessels,contra vetted the eff:ets of the Commiscinnerii,
what, was to be expected but attar every obstacle
would be made in all the inferior Oilieet,, The
precept had been directed to the Treasurer of the
Navy on the aoth„of July, mid repeated on the
1.17111, ilea yet it was not till the 3:i et Oatober that
he returned .tor an-ainewer, that souse difficulties
were exretiencedi the aVeollnis in the
form reaittired. fie.shettal glad to ktioN where
the. Right .1-ion, hod aCtitiireil ihat •infor.
matiOnaf certainly- was not -coelorioabte to his
_ p,alteness ckla:;e;.l 41))41 answer so
lung. The Quintiaissiu...ets had been appointed by

'lan A 4 of a'll the Brarieitei of thelLegiifaittit, x'4 '
it would be to irate with themselves, tf, after ..0•*11
an appointment, they slid not:rnaintiin the "thtifitr
ose!vdcat
ihifntlotelecintri
eileelengekrsteisirtidrnyo:ditCa:otbatoldelorenicmroi:dtsiuuitoaryteearsairtshtemasicillvtehse. irt
ry eh •ri
si •iwt i:roe . .
I:todiestnpcuoroaogreefrn,eflatrisdwybeicth-rithe.; Ch‘'d'lnilidiist:
with a fortitude and persercr.
deTin:iciiiialerdgiliot.ubsen with
0.t.c0 r
ect
ghoe:nrgialr;:ftlioiitutsilli:tot f,tolii,cirlecece
money : Ist, In graoling the, sup;•ly, wlocit void
only originate_ in the 1101.144,0 f Comm ,05 ; Or. M.
1 jesty ordered the Eititnates -to be laid ila ,ir ihrttf,
and it was their duly to see that they were not
(1 11re.
digal in their Grants, and that thy sh teal 11 las
voted in confidence .on the inte4 rill' of any Minis!er:#
rili:llialiti
n.ighlestyhheesyhs:uute:dir,el
Supply,
ipntows
ii;ilceht htetiewy‘4liNiida7ol I: ;den
cotet?
and impartially. on sufficient;
cSieulh'?etla nd tr)eqicmrsii:is'e.iigillilii
third duty wa., ro,..sre . imp r -Jo, as5,.., look af•er the
expenditure of. the public write. Ike two first
they never dep
leted; hut. the Isttter they etre in
.the habit of delegating
,to:,,C,otnrnissitnwrs, sonietimri
nalt„ Members:ot..the .Houie, liut who tialeenY'
bsieocnaemrse,
isifietey7tiveairici;,„Ne'lde,inuh:drest.,..•theT obasiitcletiii,,,C, ,07),
rm.::
liament, the power of searching into atillsr,s• ilfr
Weft; not:one of those ilk) were fond of ticegAting,
rwer.•, but
:essential, adVantages ePelfe °ltn del;
riAed ti,:rnJuch ConuniseiOneroi• Ji.d unit" wilC4l) Hifi
ab'edseulept.
s.li!ire•i,
j!tionotkhelis;h.ce, the coainioioners 0,01,
of . Public Offices,; no errdorcletetd°inkngi';;L' :idggi vfelle 04r ;all
.: , , ted
vantage could be, the.conseqttence. 114"nb fillf
the disadvantages and. the discouragetnotl/4
shush!usui'r
which the Cointnissioners had labnuseLl, he t
btlrieleflYrc.iitlatki:t'ya OVfiC:Vti)IIIC tofW(l)T°hranikhsrc't° ii:t1446°:45
missluners. Whether this was the rolr time
or not for such a. D,t), iJ n , and whether it wt"
but
,bc deoi.',-, ~.,' wi:!, a vltys
to it fotut
kn Vi
contftift, the Right Hortourablr lintG7r.tieit,'3eis.,
that the ComtnissioneTs --elf Ace Altus .o
-ceived the thinks of.thes House before they hoici) i
eluded tl„eir Reports, and, therefore, he ceslu nut
suppose there could he .any objc,ftion on' thar se°l,,rs.
ht I
Anoiher consitiefirinn tvas,• theft the Rig I:st
Gentleman had broug in, in a Bill fir coltio'ir'g.;,ol
Commission, and no titnecotild'be mPTe in s'i'ne
expressing the sense the ihnse intertsane,i' tin. t 14
services :thin when their powers were 'll°-1 .1,101
tone weak j-le sloauld, tiak flay, chat el; y were en.l'"st;
t° the approbation of the Honse it theY 191' li:cre
formed. their, duty only ttileratily. well, If or 1,,L.11-
wa° nothing Much amiss in their cJodtlitL ikon,„
House shottlil, consider the honour •of 'he'' st:',l,i
in which'
..they.pere pteced; Ilier stwul'l.„4'cbet.
that they hitkl be4s apPointed by the. Threc 9bit lee,
of the Legislature, and five men- had. hteon.:coy
ed' from all- the talents and ahiiity of the,-ttiiper:
From a Commission so seletta, be exl'e‘le,‘' I ',hi.
fea discharge •of their duty. If the/ ii,4' kart.
charged their duty,'they were entitled the`
I'4 iiji.l
titude and thanks of the House,' ands it. tlit,,,fai al
nOr, they ought to be 'Changed on 3 rCN,liie". ,6 so
the Commission. He , had worded his ''''')vcal*
as not to provoke hostility, bursO as not tioillige
Pl.'"u4e his Ittijes.:ti helacl vvorded it sO at t° 0 00
the Right H.mourable Gentleman eith'r o,,te
t raft his 4ibj :Woo, or to state• them. :11crcinislit
three poimts of view in which the qttes,"Pi.lii„nert
'be- tegutio_firsti as to what the c,,lnaits. 111,
had dottc-,4‘.11y; what they hail 10 'kis jna of dig
what effett.the thailks •and erl"o"glit"cistit IvV(h
ilothe tnisht have on their furore cunGu--ii.iroti;al
tegtirst to the firs; pant ot view, Itorn 'l4 iii-zeotle.
men, had not consklered the matter of the aof
but he c onjureifthein, with a view " le:Me;llilein a
lia 11
ability
sdi
it :' .:1 eya:runli:: tilt: bestowed
rc on: riel
tri (emery.
rlt :1; lc:,
i(t i.i '
l' 'll :
olli, 1
tr'mr:e'f 1:ey.°011: tit
c- r.
il,°e6. ',;c
previous-, consiileration. They cit'l n''' ' ' 000 ir
het' w I
i t „vri, •
high game as the Tenth Report, kit i' • jo.
.ftud in them proofs Of the ilitiger.,cc, t'Ortiar4a $o
the offices in Jamaica, and by narr it°4",;eney to t`,)
It appeared th4l there was a public vr"'" 01, in 10
amount of 36,0001. itai bills, And of 13iitaaa to the
urchase- of naval. storea. The 1 1 tel'iie tio'gd
Cher at Chatham, and in this tr::ociote 34.13,
to the gratitutit of t:ie public, sset",',.,,shica sr4'
cent. was tiedu(cted Irani the reiards ol Wi'lliey taa'.
men by via. - harpiesof agents, am' boats,'
attions , . at
received the -Whole of their. olio
i , ever,'
without being under the necessity of o°,l°6', tIiJC
: tuner.- r
three Years •to prove to the. t'lntlilsr", of 04'
there had not groin three 'years Y°ungertwo sg3ind
such as had lost limbs had pot then. g t Chitth.t!''
ett he 3d .related to the block .cuotra6s ild t„ rsisr;
to which great abuses were dise00",(01 ebArti.
10401. having been charged where ti e 7, taar‘i.:
t The 4"' , ,coe't
ought not to Itave'excectied .34-.. ,
• aents 01.` „j(.
ed the prize.ageney, in which tn.' 'lf of the 6 c.,
and enticlleil-thetweives on. th.e )"1" c The. 511),,,fa1'
hint captures made from the EnetrlYthich the WI,
fated- to the six.peeny office fott„Y '' riwtehl4(ol4
were derived fur the support of urete. ti ~ of-11 si,
I_ll. The '6th felAiell the, inVe'tg'i . ti1e.144
L":e,k; Yards, • " I I Plymouth, 40 it) 1, iv;l4
vat ticu Ar y. r oo° ' qf
t that °I." ens '
Pato for work, and ir appearei. toe-
cheek i'r , 'TO
Paa:c-4trtiaoirnii7;-gtet%tvitibteiww4rotkanYhad •I'','ell 'il-ori!l';whi°
ilyrooatil. ' ccolo•
7ch related fo the fltspital at i proper,l'
.„,• t,
the patients were deprived of, tlw r 4; atlase e:;
-14;s,
ilv)dation" The'Blh sheied that
Spay;)gr.e.rnotio. 141,
ed in theVictualting.Ofrice ,i P11461,j,
9411 related to the recei-ts • I &sear .
I , not APO' Js,"
in which'
abuses existed, ihoug't•- • to i. to.
tor Imo
The loch- was unnecess ill • - ,tian "''' ths
tier
to. - llic irrh he cal,ed the 't , notter9l thi
House to, 28..10'14, amunA oili.of untic4,lo,
hhattiefut and unconstitutionat Pr ''.'.„..1 ',Lay P`o.
' f i.ulf.b: • f rat
sandipo of the Treasiity, 0 to, v .r,, ~fts
1 iltho
contrary to law, and dgionfit toe 3.14.- into the r,ric'eft,
mem. .11 GNitletneti would'i°' ' ;awl 1144.0
they would: Sind the lie had ontlV't'a abet its ita
:tents. The . next point he h°l , Tliey "'.`,o
what the Commi)sii.sner; bad 14 (I'. c ~,,,,n01)1,1
agetleothunr7tudghta:rlttliita°t v•ehr.llAt'bietehael je:g:ll:lll;,:itsc(tit.fe' fe4)[1:;1:::::1111i::
dung last War. Ttie).• haw i 01, I. l4
i 1 I'4 a
whole Cooduefur the N 4vY U'l'ri
i',(l. .00. 01
the Transpore,
,and the 6.1c1,‘ 't Ain,ifall '
which Lill ACCuidinA ID alt litine