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OAKS,

There will be a saving to the public from the
death of the hte Lord Grenville and the Hon. Charles
Yorke of 8,0001. a year, as the sinecures which they
enjoyed will he finally abolished.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,

THIS DAY, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 19.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at twenty minutes past twelve.
The Lambeth Water Works Bill was read a third time and
passed.

Mr. PENDARVES presented a petition faom Southampton,
praying that petitioners might be heard by counsel, against
certain clauses of the great Western Railway Bill.—Referred
to the committee.

Mr. VIVIAN brought in a bill for improving the port and
harbour of Aberhaven, county of Glamorgan.—The bill was
read a first time.

Sir CHARLES BLOUNT presented petitions from pa-
rishes of Bamwith (Surrey) and Basingstoke, against the great
Western Railway Bill, and praying to be heard by counsel.—
Referred to the committee.

The Earl of SURREY moved the third reading of the
Henfield and Ditchelling Road Bill.—Read a third time, and
passed.

Colonel GRANT moved for leave to bring in a bill for erect.
ing a gaol in Elgin and Forres.

Mr. J. BULLER brought up the report of the committee on
the Exeter Market Amendments Bill.

Mr. Alderman WOOD brought up the report of the com-
mittee on the British Iron Company petition, and obtained
leave to bring in a bill.
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Mr. PHILPOTT'S brought in a bill for enclosing land in
the parish of Langley (Gloucestershire).—The bill was read a
first time.

The Marquis of CH ANDOS presented a petition from Stoney
Stratford, against certain clauses of the Stratford Bridge Bill,
and praying to be heard by counsel.---Referred to the committee.
Mr. FINCH preiented a petition from Aird St. Laurence,
for the better observance of the Sabbath.
CHAIRMAN OF THE MIDDLESEX SESSIONS.,

Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY presented a petition from JOhn
Lewis, coach proprietor—the object of which we could not
learn. Also a petition from the vestrymen of the parish of St.
Pancras, against certain clauses of a bill passed last session, for
the passing of Irish and Scotch paupers to their own country ;
and a petition from the same vestrymen, against the salary paid
to the chairman of the Middlesex sessions. The petitioners
stated, that the cost of transmitting Irish paupers had increased
the county rates six or ten fold, and that as Middlesex was not
an agricultural county, it was hard that it should be compelled
to bear all the expense, while it derived no benefit from
the labour of the Irish paupers.—(Hear.) They did not
want to throw the burden back upon the agricultural
counties, but they wanted to have these rates paid out of the
public funds. The cost of transmitting labourers was for-
merly five shillings per head, had been increased by the
bill to thirty-two shillings per head. The Middlesex magis-
trates had requested the representatives connected with their
body to support a bill, which it was his (Sir. Samuel Whalley's)
intention to bring in, for repealing certain clauses of that
bill, and to throw the burden of passing Irish paupers upon
the consolidated fund. The same petitioners complained of
the large salary of 1,2001. paid to the chairman of the Middlesex
sessions, at a time when the county-rates had increased from
35,0001. to 75,0001., and with a debt of a quarter of a million.
He was of opinion that there were many gentlemen of the
highest character and talents, who would be quite willing to
undertake the duties of the office without emolument ; but if
they were to have a chairman at a liberal salary, he ought to
be one of the judges of the land, and that would prevent the
recurrence of such serious mistakes, which had passed a slur
upon the administration of justice, and had been attended with
great inconvenience and expense.
Mr. BENETT contended that there was the very great
attraction in London for labourers, 19-20ths of whom were
Irishmen, who were compelled by distress in their own country
to seek employment here. They were a most industrious
and valuable set of labourers, and it should be borne in mind
by gentlemen who complained of the expense of the removal of
the Irish poor, that number:. of Irish gentlemen spent their
incomes in London.

Mr. Alderman WOOD contended that by the bill which
his hon. friend (Sir S. Whalley;:wished partially to repeal, the
expense in London and Middlesex would not be half what it
was before.—Cries of " llear, hear.") He knew that
the Middlesex Magistrates had made a most improvident
bargain for sending back the Irish and Scotch poor, but instead
of the expense being 325. per head the contract was made for
155., with Is. per day for the voyage, which was generally
estimated at six days. Before his hon. friend proposed to re-
peal any of the provisions of last session he should look at the
result of that experiment as far as it had gone. In January,
1833, there were 438 vagrants passed irom Middlesex, while
last January there were only 38.—(Hear, hear.) He con-
tended that the provisions of the bill would not only decrease
the number of paupers but would lessen the expense at least
one-half.

Mr. HUME said he had been requested by the magistrates
of Middlesex to support the bill of his hon. friend (Sir S.
Whalley), and he hoped he should be allowed to state the rea-
sons which induced him not only not to support it, but to give it
every opposition in his power. He was well aware that the
petitioners were a most intelligent body of men ; but they took
an erroneous view of the present question.—(Hear, hear.)
He contended that it was only fit and proper that the
experiment of last session should be tried, and the principal
objection to it was, not that it was bad in itself, but that
it ought to be tried at the expense of the public. He had no
hesitation however in stating that in his opinion it was a wise
and proper measure, and if, as stated, the month referred to
was not a fair test, why not try it for the whole year ? He
considered the abuses of the Poor Laws a crying evil which
would destroy society unless they were put an end to. It was
thought that the Middlesex magistrates had made a very ex-
pensive contract, but he had reason to believe that the con-
tractor was heartily sick of his bargain, and would be out of
pocket if the county insisted upon the fulfilment of the con-
tract. When the bill was brought forward he felt confident
that lie should be able to justify himself to the Middlesex ma.
gistrates for opposing it.

Mr. ROEBUCK wished to know whether the hon. member
for Marylebone had given notice of a bill to the effect of his
observations?

Sir S. WHALLEY said the petition did not call upon the
house to repeal the act, but prayed that the expense of the ex.
periment might be defrayed out of the consolidated fund. He
had, in deference to the hon. member, postponed his motion
for bringing in a bill. The Middlesex magistrates, however,
by their new contract, had increased the expense of removing
paupers from ss. per head to 325. ; and it would be found, in
the end of the year, that no diminution of poor rates had taken
place. In consequence of an informality, the petition against
the increase of the salary of the chairman of the Middlesex
sessions was withdrawn.
CHIMNEY SWEEPS.

Mr. SHEPHERD presented a petition from the town of
Frome, against the practice of employing climbing boys in
cleaning chimneys.

PAVING ACT.
Mr. BYNG moved the second reading of the St. James's
Paving Act.

DISSENTERS' GRIEVANCES.

Mr. BENETT presented a petition from the dissenting
chapel at Tisborough, in the county of Wilts, praying to be re-
lieved from their disabilities. He once had doubts as to whether
dissenters ought to be exempted from church-rates, but on
reconsideration he found the latter were very different from
tithes, and ought not to be enforced from dissenters. The hon.
member also presented three other petitions to the same effect,
from places in the county of Wilts.
Mr. BAINES said in a parish in Sheffield there had been
no church-rates paid for twelve years ; therefore it was not
considered to be a charge on land.
Mr. BARKER said it was the same in the borough he re-
presented, and in no place did dissenters and churchmen live in
greater harmony. _

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Mr. LYNN presented petitions from three places in the
county of York, in favour of the better observance of the
Sabbath.

Mr. CAYLEY supported the petitions.
Mr. BARNARD presented a petition from the dissenters of
Greenwich Road and New Cross Chapels, praying for exemp-
tion from church rates, for permission to celebrate their own
marriages, and to use cemeteries for the burial of the dead, like-
wise to be allowed the registration of births and marriages.
Mr. ROCHE presented a petition from the housepainters
of Limerick, and one from Boher, in the same county, com-
plaining of absenteeism in Ireland, and praying for a repeal of
the Union.
Mr. E WART felt a pleasure in presenting a petition against
the restriction on free trade in cotton from Liverpool. A
similar petition was presented to the Chamber of Deputies in
France, from Bordeaux. The hon. member read the pe-
tition, which went to enumerate the advantages of free
trade, and to point out the disadvantages arising from the
present restriction. A moderate duty might be laid on such
articles as were fairly exciseable, and as the exigencies of the
revenue required. The government of the country would in
his (Mr. Ewart's) mind be best consulting their own interests,
and the interests of the nation at large, by acceding to the de-
mands of the petition. They did not know the benefits that
would arise from the opening of a free trade.
" 0 fortunati nimium sua si bona forint!"
The petition did not confine its prayer to a free trade in corn,
but extended to all commodities. The most prominent evil of
a restricted trade was, that it prevented a general diffusion of
capital and snore extensive employment. The time was
coming when nations would be more firmly united by
a bond of mutual interests, than any other. It would ce-
ment the union with the American States, and with France,
more than pompous and expensive embassies. The petitioners,
at the close of their petition, prayed for a free trade in corn
subject to certain wholesome restrictions. He trusted that
the government would in due time make those changes which
circumstances had rendered necessary. If that change was
too long postponed, the alteration would be effected by some-
thing more fatal to the interests of the country than calm ex-
postulation and entreaty. He moved that the petition be
brought up. The hon. member then presented petitions from
the dissenters of Russell-street chapel, Liverpool, and from
the dissenters of Mount Pleasant chapel, Liverpool, and the
dissenters of Queen Anne-street chapel, Great Croshall-street
chapel, Cockspur-street chapel, and several other congregations,
praying to be relived from the disabilities affecting that body ;
also a petition from John Astley, a freeman of Liverpool,
against the Liverpool Freemen's Disfranchisemnt Bill.
Mr. BROTHERTON said the manufacturing interests of
the country had been much depressed of late—that population
had increased from 900,000 to 1,500,000, and he thought
their interests could be much benefitted by the free trade i❑

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corn, which the petition prayed for, and be should
your of free trade in corn. He considered f the
Mr. CAYLEY supported the petitions in favour 0, ~..
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but felt called upon to oppose the Pe-1 _said
of free trade was to drive our own labourers out of elnPllear,
to snake room for the labourers of other countries.---k_of
hear.) What had been the result of the free trade hi awo
Why, there had been a reduction, in seven Yea"' of no
than one million pounds in the exports. the petitiON
Mr. ROEBUCK, in supporting the prayer of "E hall
observed that the tax on corn was injurious to thef :fro
people and beneficial to the landlord.—(Hear.)
capitalist, aid
in corn would greatly benefit the agricultural landlords
injure none but those who were denominated , the,'
It had been said in that house that the landlords o.l_. 0,
county were so important a body that their interest ought
to (
be considered in preference to every other. tie
h I; the i
time was not far distant when the increasing intelligencee_a_o
farmers of the counts y would prove to them that thahl..oro.t
interest was nothing more than the interest of the / °,,_14 s!*
One of the consequences to which he would point was. o_':i
restriction had been put on the importation of foreign 15°,,
factures. This country had chiefly for its support its raw."
factures, and we were better enabled to employ a large caPl";
in them than in agriculture. As to the corn laws heilig ,
stalking horse, and to the assertion, that if they were re:.
pealed another stalking horse would be found, he
tr..,
the true 01.- et,
anufactures had greatly increased by
countries by shutting our ports against 'their corn atoms!
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manufactures, and therefore shutting their ports or:
it to the house, whether we had not compelled orthel_
own manufactured goods. If there was any one country mo ,
extensive than another from which we could obtain., gra'
itm was that mighty nation the United States, anu there_
heoperationwou of our corn laws. With regard to Gernouno
content would
not now refer to it—(Hear, hear)—but W 0..,,
bond between with urging the necessity of cernenting ''''
Sir R. PeEenF England and the United States. the
.L said the hon, gentleman so far from stating
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case, had not half stated the elements which were 7.
necessary to time consideration of a question a °,.s*
great importance.—(Hear
hear.) Why had he not 01,7
to Ireland—(He 10
which Ireland—(Hear, hear)—that great depot of corn, ,
country it was . Prestoell'
feelings which so necessary, with the t
prevailed there to afford ernen...,,sll-
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its agriculture. There was
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on land in 1823 by official returns, showing the re .
left out of the consideration of the hon. member. It sit
unfair to create a prejudice against the landowner, in chs,..--0
him with possessing a monopoly at the expense a any 0' ,
class. If the propositions of the lion. member were to take effecw
the effect would be, the land could no longer bear its burden°.
He also deprecated the assertion that the interests of thee I
facturer and the agriculturist were distinct, for it was esntlA
that those two great interests should be given to understair.,
tdhat they were combined, and that the prosperity of one great,:
depended on that of the other. Why represent the inoP°.:
manufacturing wns join i n th the cry rwy
of the corn laws as an exclusive monopoly? Did not tri.
landed interest have any monopoly of taxes ? He could under._
gri argumentc
ult ural .
stand well why the people of Liverpool were so desir?rand
ell al: agricultural.—(Hear, to free trade in corn, but did the manufacturers in the 1 I .
for ,Auce
equally applied to free trade in ever other article of pr.,- ~!
He did
that the
not think that the manufacturing ' interest understood
destruction of the landed interest would necessarily hear.)Pruane
the destruction of the manufacturing interest.--(gear' 1
there MO,,
If there was a free trade in corn established,
So little eX
be a free trade in every article of manufacture.
elusive was the monopoly of corn, that some of the most pro 1
inPe'l
ductive articles as to duty, were those that came intoco
oi.
talon with the produce of this country. The duty raised_,sn
butter and cheese alone amounted to .03,000/. more
li°oo.
what was raised upon all the silk of the country.
tild 1 cheesej
upon butter a
gentleman should abolish the duty (Hear.) i
upon silk.
first, but abolish at the same time the duty ative I
Let the manufacturer know what must be the altern
oro,l
Begin with the Me
hail
The- agriculturist must pay every way.
ing:his boots, his dress, everything he takes, or does, hn
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something attached to it to compel hint to deal with homedu-r;
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facturers, so that there was a double monopelY. The „, 00
foreign boots was 2/. 14s. • on foreign silk hats il. '".!,ntly
sufflo.
silk dresses 2/.los. The mann' fact ' • pine po'
(fareeeat:hdeearin.) corn bus,
protected, and the agriculturists only prayed for the
his plate,l
tection. His china, if foreign, paid 20 per cent. ;
oust pal
if gold 2/. 17s. per oz. If he walks with bamboo He
ho rattan,
55. per I,ooo—(laughter)—if he walks with a igill..--' , blood
&c., he pays the same, but if he walks with a dragr pri-
or a supple jack, he must pay twenty per cern wder,
tinned laughter.) On watches, carriages, guns, g",roh Wis
cards, and every thing else, this agricultural farmer ^ • „,,,,..de
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or flute,
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articles.
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must pay 2 per cent, for a foreign tom Till that
The monopoly of both parties should be destroyed. .
sil'e
was done 'it was unfair to the landholder with exclusive
monopoly.
charge
monopoly.
The SPEAKER then left the chair.
tom stone.(

SURREY SESSIONS.—(THIS DAY.)
(Before R. HEDGER, Chairman, and a full bench of 10
glstrates.) ~aance,
Wm. Buck/and, a young man of respectable aPP` I
30th
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was indicted for having feloniously obtained, on the 3°
December last, four casks of tallow, value 9.00 L, frornoewn.
Commercial Dock Company, out of the stock of gess"'
jamin and Thomas Hawes, tallow merchant& fb ged °-
The prisoner obtained the goods by means of 3 "„-r-,,v
dorsement, purporting to be the handwriting of gr. er.diet
The jury, after a long examination pronounced 3 °ration,
of Guilty, when the Court, after a few' minutes' clelibe-
sentenced the prisoner to seven years' transportation.
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