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London, England, 1802-05-13 00:00:00

EA ST INDIA [IOUS E,

May tZ, 1802.
THE COURT of DIRECTO of the
UNITED COMPANY of MERCHANTS of'ENG.
LA N trading to the East Indies, do berehy give holier,
That a Quarterly General Court of the said Cwnpany will 6.
held at their "Lase, in Leadenhall-street, on Wednesday, the,
23d. of June next, at Eleven o'Cleck in the Forenoon, for the
purpose of declaring a Dividend from Christmas last to Midsum-
mer next.

That the Transfer Books of the said Company's Stock will he
shut on Thursday, the 3d of June next, at' Iwo o'Clock, ana
opened again on Thursday, the 22d of July following.
• A:td that the Dividend Warrants on tbr said Company's Stock,
due the 5-11.1 of 70., will Ge ready to be delivered on Monday,
the 12th of 7uo' next.

lI'ILLIA.II 42.4.115.11", Ye,
.

This Day is published, in one large-kolutne, iu Quarto,
Price it. I us. 6d. in hoards,
THE SATIRES of DECIMUS yUNIUS JU-
VENALTS. Translated into English Verse,
By'WILLIAbI GIV FORD, Esq.
With Notes and IllustrationS. ,
Printed for Geo. and Win. Nicol, Kiolzselh.4.4‘to Ills Ma-
jesty ;_ and R. Evans, Pall-Mall---where -Subscribers are
quested to apply for their Copies.

-TO BE PEREMPTORILY SOLO,
' Pursuant to a Decree of the High Court,of Chancery, made
in a Cause, " SMITH against COL HO UN,"• with the
approbation of John Spranger, Esc . one of the 111-asters of
the said Court, on Wednesday the 9th and. Thursdzy the
loth Days of June, 1802., between the hours of tleven and
TAelve of the Clock in the, Forenoon of each Day, at the.
Great Hotel, at Buxton, in the County of Derby', its 2.4
Lots (the first 12 Lots on Wednesday the yth, and the re-
maining Lots on Thursday the loth of lune, ;
. MANORS 'or LORDSHIPS of TIDES-
WELL and HIGHL OW, with the several Messuages
and. Farms, Lands, Tenements and Real Estates, late of
...lobo Archer, Esq. situate- in the seVer.,l -Parkhes., Town-
ships and Places of Tideswell, Highlow, Nether Shattun,
Hathersadge, Ontseats, Hope, Castleton, Thornhill; Eyain
Calvet, Chapel in the frith, Great, and Little Hucklow,
Pilsky, Litton, Wardlow, Gotheridge Otrorton, Hasleford,
I.3.lmford, l [time, and Bakewell, in the County of Derby:
Particulars Whereof may he ,bad ;gratis; at the said-Master's
_Chambers, in Southatupton-buildings, Chancery-lane ;of
Messrs.' Graham, Solicitors, LincOln's-inn (where, and -at
Mr. Catintley's, Bakewell, Derbyshire, Plans of the Estates
maybe seeri ; of Messrs. Mayo and Pears; Solicitors, Cloak-
lane, London; of Messrs. Black, Epping, Esse.X, ans'l
die retruile, London ; Mr, Wilmot, 11'neston
well; Messrs. Miils and Crust, Leek, StatThrdshire Mr,
Isaac Hall; Castleton ; of the Tenant of Iliglilow-House,
Derbyshire ; and of Mr. Hall, at the Great Hotel, at Bo x ton.

Singularly beautiful MANSION HOUSE and.PA KK, near
Bristol, Gloucestershire.
O be LETT, completely FURNISHED, and
entered upon immediately, a most noble, spacious
MANSION, lit tor the reception of a very large Family of
.distinction and opulence, with Coach-house and Stabling for
above twenty Horses, and most convenient attached and de-
tached Offices-of every description. Capital Kitchen Gar-
dens, Plantations, Shrubberies, &c. &c. and about Fifty
Aires of remarkably rich Land, in the highest state of culti-
vation, and beautifully wooded surrounding the same. The
Buildings are in complete repair and the Ground in the
highest order, situate on a delightful and healthy eminence,
on the borders of Durham-Down,
.between Clifton- and
Kingsweston, and .commanding superb view of a finely
Wooded Country, the Severn, Bristol Canal, AVOn and
Welch Hill Mountains. The situation will be Sind to pos..'
sess innumerable local advantages. Terms of renting may
berknOwn, and the House and Estate viewed, with Tickets
only,-by applying to Mr. Yates, at Sneed Park nenr Bristol.
. The Premises will not ksliewn before the 14th, or afier
the 22:1 instant.'

ESSEX.
•To be SOLD by PRIVATE CONTRACT,
N FREEHOLD ESTATE, at a dis-
talwe of about sixteen Allies from LondonL on the
.Cambridge Road, consisting of a convenicnt Eamilx Hotisc.
most pleasantly situated,'containing a Drawing-room, Din-
ing-room, Breakfast-room, and Hall, on the Ground Floor;
.'six:Bed.4ooms on the First Floor; and folic Servants 1,,00-ins
on the, Second Floor, with good Kitchen Cellarine, and
other orlices ,and conveniencies, and abJitt Thirty-two Acres
of Land adjoining, and within a Ring Fence. Also a Cot-,
tare, and' about Sixteen Acres of Land, near the above, and
only divided by a Lane. Immediate possession may be had,
and the. Furniture taken at. an appraisement,• it' de.,ired.
Enquire at Messrs. Norris and Robinsons, No. 13, Lila-
coin's Inn New-square.

SUSSEX'.
. ,
TO BE .SOLD BY. AUCTION,
A:- the Angel Inn, Midhurst, 6n Thursday the 27th aiy of
M tv, 0(+24 ix:metal the Hours of Five and Seven in the
• Aternoon„ if not previously disposed of by PriVare Con-
tract, of which (should it happen) Notice will be Riven ;
A •LL that Desirable FREEFICYLI) ESTATg,
-EX called' Et ME R's FARM, in the Occupation of Samuel
Acker, tenant at will, who has noticep quitAt Nicha,,qtrias
next. . -

The Estate lies in the parish of ‘Voclbeding, within a short
distance ot,four Markets, Liphook, Midhurst, Pef_srslield,
and Lrslernere ; and consists of a good Farm-House, tiro
Barns, and other suitable Buildings; zukti,ot.3ss Statute Acres
flt Land, (according to a recent admeatrement taken by Mr.
Barlow,or. Midhurst), of which, about rBi; are Arable, Mea-
doW,- Pasture ; -about 55. Coppice and Wood-Luid, and
about rl2 Common but which the Purchaser will have, die
power of inclosing Without applying to Parliament.
The Estate-abounds with Game, and there are many beau-
tiful Spots for Building. The Timber and Underwood to be
valued.

_ The Purchaser will have the refusal of a Wood_ lying near
the k:stdte, callc-C,Older Hill Coppice, crtaining about 27
Acres,
.at.a.fair price ; and if he is a Sportsman, he mat• also
be accommodated with the use of a neighbouring Manur.
For particulars, inquire of Edward Kent, Esq. Holl.st
near Midh u rs t,.

A. SALUTARY BREAKFAST. •
LEE ROE', ENGLISH COFFEE.
THIS COFFEE, which is a Balsamic of the most
excellent Nature, extraeled fr.un the choicest aromatic
Plants and Herbs, and from the most salubrious Barks, has,
during an experience of near 5o Years, established irs
,traOrdmary liffis:acy in Consumptive Habits, and proved itself
one of the greatest Restoratives and Preservatives of iloalth
ever yet discovered. It has also the Sanction of many eni;Lent
Men of the Faculty, particularly the late Dr. Fothergill,
who prescribed it in-Consumptive-and Nervous Complaints,
as well as. in Coughs of long standing, 'A-sthinas, Tremors,
Palpitations of the Heart, bre. It is much recommended to
those of %veakconstitutions, with whout Tea does not agree,
as it Is more nourishing than Sago and Jellies, and will not
()trend the most delicate. Stomach. It is to be taken tor
Bra.zsast, as, Tea or foreign (.7olFee, and is very pleasant to
the Palate.
Sold, by Appointment of the Proprietor, in Canister::, price
as. yi. each, Duty included, by Mr. Newbery, No. 45, Ss
Paul's; Mr. Tutt, at the Royal Exchange ; Messrs. Bayley
and Blew, Cockspur-street ; Mr. Wade's, Old Bond-stisLt
Mr, Jeboult, No. zso, and Mr. Pidding, No. 76, Ox;91,1-
strea ; Mr. Ward,; No. 234, Holborn; and :Mr, th
r, Olae,
2G9, Borough.

II

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rHE ANNIVERSARY of the BIRTH-DAB`
of TtiE
RIGHT HONOURABLE WILLIAM PITT,

WILL BE C0E11'4E:N101( A.TED
On FRIDAY, the zSth of MAY, at the London. Tavern.
EARL SPENCER in the Chair.
STE,wAg.Ds.
Marquis of Worcester J. Down, Esq,
Earl of Euston W. Egerton, Esq.
Earl Tr.nyole Lt ' Gun Egerton
• Viscount niorpeth C. lt. Ellis, ESq.
lord G. Levison Gower. R. Ellison, Esq.
. Lord Louvaine 1. Fane, 'Esq.
Sir I. Wrottesly, Bart. N. B. French, EA.
• Sir W. Lowther, Bart. Francis Gregor, Esq. •
Sir 11. Mildmay, Bart. Robert Milligan, Esq.
Sir R. Vaughan, Bart. W. Manning, Esq.
Sir 1. W.. Stuart, Bart. T. Raikes, Esq.
Sir R. Peele, I.lrt. • Hans Sloane, Esq.
E. W. Bootle, Esq. G. H. Sumner, Esq. •
W. R. Cartwright, Esq. Samuel. Thornton, Esq.
W, Dickinson, Esq: ' J. 'funno, Esq.
Tickets, One Guinea each, to'be had of Mr. Hatchard,
No. iv, Piccadilly ; and at the Bar of the London 'favern.
Dinner on Table at Five o'clock.

LLOYD's COFFEE HOUSE,
• May S, 12oz.
•
A SUBSCRIPTION FOR ERECTING A
Cx. STATUE of the • Right Honourabre WILLIAM
PITT, late First Lord of the Treasury, and Chancellqr of
the Exche..tuer, for his distinguished and valuable Services,
which he has rendered to his Country, during the course of
his able and upright Administration.
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John Angerstein, ' . to to John Meyer, . - - to to
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and Ellis, - - to to George Hartwell, - to to
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Subscriptions received by Bennett and White, at the Bar
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Ali' ER I 31, P R ,11

HOUSE-OF PEERS,
WEDNESDAY, MAY 1,2.

COUNSEL were further heard, and at considerable length
relative to the Scotch Appeal, Hog v. Thwaites. The Conn,
sel were ordered to proceed again on Friday.
• The Bills before the House were forwarded in their respec-
tive Stages—among which was the EledionTreating Bill,
read a second ti me, and committed for Tuesday next, on which
occasion their Lordships were ordered to be summoned.
Seventeen Bills, among which • were the Militia Pay Bill,
the Norwich Poor, and six Itemrn Bills were brought up
from the Commons by Sir GEORGE SHUCKTIURGH, Mr.
DICKENSON, Mr. PANE, Lord GEORGE CAVENDISH, Mr.
SAVILL E, and other (.;entlemen ; these Bills were severally
read a first time.
Several Accounts respeting the Importation of Logwood
front the Bay of Honduras, Mahogany, &c. were presented
from the Inspector General's Office,-in pursuance ofa recent
Motion of Lord GRENVILLE.
Some priv.te Business was' disposed of:—after which
their-Lordships Adjourned till to-morthw,—when the. House
stands' summoned fig the purpose of taking the Definitive
Treaty of Peace into consideration.

HOUSE OF C'OMIVONS;

WEDNESDAY, MAY 12:

Ma. Ettor gave-notice that he would move the Army
Estimates in the Committee or Supply on Friday..
The Mutiny Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be
read a second time to-morrow.
The Volunteer and Yeomanry Corps Bill was read a first
time, and ordered to be read a second time on MO-nday.
The Order for receiving the Report on the Militia
which stood for to-morrow, was postponed to Friday.
The Marine Mutiny Bill was read a first time, and ordered
to he read a second time to-morrow.
Thc Resolutions of the Committee on the Alterations in
the Lottery Licence Ad were read and agreed to.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee of Ways
and Means. .

Mr. CORRY said,' that the single point with
which he should have to' trouble the Committee,
would be the statement of the,Loan which had been
made for,lrelanil. In giving notice of his intention,
to bring forward this subjea, he had observed, that
it would he ,incumbent upon him to stare the Circum-
stances of the Limn this day, rather than on the day
When he was to go into a general statement of the.
Supplies and Ways and. Means, fOr Ireland. He,
therefore, hoped he shoul4Jischargc his duty to the
satisfalion of the Committee, by confining himself,
upon the present occasion, to that single point, and
byrefraining from going at large into the affairs of
that COuntry until a future day, .of which sufficient
notice would be given, to enable Gentlemen to
turn their attentioo to the subjeds which would.
then come under discussion-. The Committee would
recollect, that in adopting this line of conduti, he'
was following the example of the Right Hon. the
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, and in so doing,
he hoped he should meet with the approbatiorf of the
Committee. The Interest of the Debt of Ireland,
the Permanent Grants, and the Votes of that House,
for the Service of Ireland, amounted to 4,611,0001.
—The Ways and Means to cover these Supplies,
consisted of the Revenues of Ireland, and the
Loan of Great Britain, and the proThs of the- Lot.'
tery. These sums togethetamounted to 4,366,6001.
So that the Ways and Means were 'exceeded by
the Supplies by some hundred thoUsand pounds. lie
had now to state, as further Ways and Means, a
Loan for "1,660,0661. Against the excess which
this would create on the side of the Ways and
MeaUs, he begged leave to observe, that there re-'
mained to be provided for, the Army Establishment
for that Country, for six months, and as that would
amount to a considerable sum, that, he hoped, would
appear to be a sufficient foundation for the Loan.—
Me had now merely to state the terms upon which
that Loan had been contraCted for, and he had great
satisfaaion in stating that these terms were even
better than the terms upon which the Loan had
been made in this Country. The Loan had been
made in Ireland upon terms more advantageous,
not only than any former Loan in
.that, but in this .
Of any other Country. The House had expressed
great satisfaction upon the statement made by his.
Right Hon. Friend, the CHANc I.IoR of the Ex-
' CHEQUER, of the adVantageons terms upon which
the Loan for Great Britain had been made, and the
piCture which he then drew of thesproiperity of the
Country, rendered it unnecessary for him to enlarge
upon the same subjea ; lie only hoped that he might
be permitted to observe, that the present Loan was
an additional proof of the prosperity of both Coon-
, tries. It was, perhaps, rather insidious to enter into
comparisons upon such a subjea, that the inte-
rest of this Loan amounted to no more than
31. ths. 3d. per Cent. whereas the interest of the
late Loan made fu* Great Britain amounted to
31. r Bs. 3d. per Cent. It was not his intention,
unless called upon by the Committee, or by any,
Hon. Gent eman, to enter more at large into the
sublet}, -unless to observe, that this Loan was made
in the 31 per Cent. Stock. The amount of the
capital created, above -the money received, was
little more than 81. on every hundred, so that the
increase of capital above` the actual money received
was only about 140,0001. At the time that the
Irish Loan was advertised to be bid for, the price
of the only 31 per Cent. Stock in this Country,
viz. the South Sea Stock, was Sz. But the Ge6_
tlemen who went from this Country to hid fur the
Loan, leaving the English 31-per Cent. Stock, at.
Bz, and finding the Irish 3-1- per Cent. Stock 961,
had nevertheless the spirit to bid 911. 555. tII a
price higher.than that. of the 4 per Cents, in this
Country at that time. It was not necessary that,
he shmild trouble the Committee - any longer, he
therefore concluded with moving. the, necessary
Resolutions, which were agreed tg.
The 1-louse Was, resumed, and the Report was
ordered to be received to_morrow.

Lord HAWKESBTJRY presented, an account of the
Territorial Revenues of Malta previous to the year
798, which was ordered to lie on the Table ; and
on the Motion of Lord TEMPLE, a certain number
of copies were ordered to be printed for the ust of
the Members.
_ _

_ .
Dr. LAWRENCE rose, in consequence of the
notice given on'a former day, to move for certain-
Papers relative to the affairs of the East Indies. He
began with stating the importance of our interests
-in the East and West Indies, which he said were
acknowledged by our enemies, in the jealousies they
entertained of theta. He did not intend at present
to enter into a particular discussion of them, but
should confine his obsirvations to the situation in
which these interests stood by former Treaties, and
that in which they arc placed by the Treaty of

Aaliens With this view he entered into an his-
torical account of the progress of our influence and
posseSSions in the East Indie.s. At first wefap-
peared there as unambitious Merchants, anxious
only to extend our commerce, content with the
liberty Of traffic, and never once extending our
views to Territorial Dciminion. At a late petiod,
even in the memory of some present, our Posses-
sions in the East Indies were reckoned a matter of
little moment ; and a barren rock in Newfoundland
seemed a greater objet of importance to the Public
than the restoration of Madras to us by the Treaty
of MX-la-Chapelle, By degrees, however, the ad-
vantages to be derived from possessions in that
quarter began to be perceived,. and we soon after
acquired immense Territorial Dominions. Whe-
ther our rights to these Dominions were originally
real or pretended, we ought at least to resist their
being invaded by the 'French or Dutch. In order
to ascertain how far this had been done, he proposed,
in the first place, to consider ,what claims the
French formerly advanced to the C6asts of Coro-
mandel and Orissa, and how far these claims were
now guarded against by the present Treaty. Our
pretensions in the East Indies were sanctioned by
the example of France. We continued peaceable
Merchants within the limits of our. Fadories,
till the usual intriguing spirit of the French began
to manifest itself in views of aggrandizement.
These 'views were first manifested by the Governor
of Pondicherry ; and much about the same time
their ambitious enterprises in Bengal obliged us to
acquire dominion in our own defeace. The medial
which the French took to extend their dominions
in the Coromandel, was by procuring grants from
the native Princes. In particular, they procured a
grant of the five Provinces called the Northern
Segars.. We acquired a more legal right to diem
by a grant from the supreme Sovereign of the coun-
try, the Great Mogul. The validity of this grant
to us was confirmed by former Treaties, but now
again remains to be decided by the sword. The
French by former treaties were prevented from
ereling any.e. Forts in the Subah of Bengal. This
was prohibiting them froM exercising a right for.
marly possessed by the Zeinindars and time Arabs,
who had fortified Faaories in that country before
the arrival of the Portuguese. By the non-revival
of these prohibitory stipulations, this right was
restored to the French, and it was to be considered
whether they would not avail themselves of it.
With resped to the Coromandel, we' had forced
the French by Treaty to acknowledge the sove-
reignty of the Nabob of the Carnatic, the Nabob
of Arcot, our friend, and who had conferred our
grants ; and to renounce the family that opposed.
'him, the author of their grants. Bur this Treaty
now being done away, would they consider them-
selves bound to acknowledge the sovereignty of the
Nabob of the Carnatic, or think themselves re-
strained frOm supporting the opposing fiunily, if any
branch of it still existed ? Out of the stipulations
against' ereaing, Forts in Bengal, arose another
against the'ekempt jurisdiction of Fadories, which
were taken away by the Treaty of 1783, .Fac-
tories had anciently the power of granting pro-
tection to criminals, who sought refuge from. the
justice of other nations. By the Convention of
1787, all these privileges were ..completely done
away, and the jurisdiction of Faaories strialycon-
fined to persons residing within their own limits.
All these restrictions are now done away. If we
loOk to former Treaties, we shall find that the.
Frenchwere strictly ciri,umscribed in she means 01
defence they were allowed. to employ. In 1765
they were allowed, merely as a special act of grace
and favoure a small quantity of arms to defend
their Faaories against any sudden attempt of the
natives. In 1767 the intriguing spirit of the
. French began to manifest itself,. and representations
were made by our Governors, that unless vigorous
measures were taken, and, the; disputes settled by
Treaty, our possessions in that quarter would be
endangered.' At several succeeding periods, simia
• lar representatiOns were made, and the pretensions
of the French were at times only resisted by mili-
tary force. Dr. LAWRENCE then entered into a
variety of details, to shew that these quarrels be-.
rween' the British and French subjects an the East
Indies were perpetual, and that the usurpations of
the latter were only prevented by force. He read
extracts from' the dispatches of Mr. Hastings, Sir
John Macpherson, and other Governors, to shew that
they thought the stipulations of the
,Treaty of 1783
essential to the preservation of our possessions in
the East. Yet even this barrier was afterwards found
insufficient, and further stipulations were procured
in the Convention of 1787. This Convention was
univers'ally approved of as the means of preventing
all future disputes. He then adverted to certain
articles for which express stipulations were • Imo-
v ided in • that Convention ; and particularly :Salt,
Saltpetre, and Opium ; in the traffic of all which
articles he contended we had relinquished important
advantages. Afterathis survey of our present and
former state, with regard to France in the East
Indies, he next proceeded to call the attention of
the House to our commercial conneftion with the
Dutch Republic. He adverted to the Treaty of
1784, for concluding which, our Negotiator had.
taken great merit to himself. That Treaty did
not specifically renew all former Treaties, but it,
• did so generally. The two principal Stipulations
in it were, the preservation of the honours of our
Flag, and the. perpetual freedom of navigation in
the Eastern Seas. The importance of the last Sti-
pulation was evident' from the efforts of the Dutch
to have it limited ; but we would not hearken to
such a proposition. He then entered into a detail
of the importance of the Straits of Sunda, and
the Straits .and Town of Malacca. He adverted
to the Pretensions which the Dutch had formerly
advanced of a right to exclude us from the
trade,of that Peninsula altogether. They had not
indeed been insisted upon while we were their
Allies, but they had long ago manifested .how in-
disposed they were to our Eastern commerce, and
was it now to be expelled, that, when under French
influence, they would refrain from advancing claims
which were left completely undeCided ? Dr. LAW
RE NC E then turned his attention to the objeaions
that might be urged against the produaion of the
Papers ;he called. for. It might be said, that our
rights were so plain that they could not be dis
plated but were we such children' 'as to imagin:

that Acre claims were nat aanaily for?
°r
they would be admitted without controversY
hat rendered the complete adjustment of °,
Wwhich
rights of more importance was an instrument
the
he meant to call for ; that 'instrument by which
Dutch Republic was admitted to treat as the Ally
of France. This instrument, the Treaty of 1795;
was in.taa the same as an alliance offensive and de-
fensive.- By- this Treaty, Holland might be at race.
faith.Prussid, Germany, or any other Power °t
Europe, Great Britain excepted, though France
were at war with them. From hence it fol.;
lowed, that in all our discussions with the Dutch,
concerning. our possessions in the East lndiesi
wq
Prance also was , necessarily involved. W hen
considered the Treaty of 179 e, and the pre:ea
Treaty of Amiens in re,peCt to Allies, we could no
c
but bear witness to the triumph of France, and "r;
own degradation. He then adverted to the Cape (.)r
Good Hope; vthich, he stated,, to be of esse'lti3l-
consequence to this COuntry, both in time of Peacr",
and War. It might he urged, he said, in defenc.e,
of the.non-revival of former Treaties, that wed!,
not give up our rights, but were prepared to de'
fend them to the utmost. But though
been revived generally, it was surely worth while
Jo revive specifically that part, which proteCted out
Commerce in the East Indies. " Thus," said he,
°fur
," I have stated what was stipulated in our favour
by former Treaties, and is now relinquished, tvi! 1-1.1
out giving my opinion, whether the cpnces'i° t
-was voluntary, or extorted by force. It is "c
however in India, but here, that these affti" musa
they had nag
be settled either by Negotiation or Force. We °Li
now say, that in proportion to the magnitudu
t
the concessions we have have made, we are Prtl:
pared to defend what remains to the last." L."
concluded by moving—" That there be laid hefi're..
the House an account of the acquisitions'lllakiCir
pretended to 'he made by His Most Christian Ibe-
-
jesty on the coast of Coromandel and Orissi,

t
vnwaes
ee
odyree
caeirlsisee,.:l: 4 8 and 1763."
Mr. DUND AS said, that whether our sitnar•i()lri
to
i
India
ilbeyrer,ie:iso triizlietioLne,oirrnb2d,
Gt been, so": 00:
had stated, he would dare say, that there w"s
,
difference of Opinion between them Upon this I.°
namely, that it was essential to the interests of t
Country, wherever our claims were to. be supporle`'t
noo
and where our rights were clear and indisputahle',
to do any thing ourselves to bring these rights 'llti
doubt, He stated it, as a general maxim, on
apprehended there was no difference of opinion in
House, or elsewhere; and yet, notwithstanding o.°l
doubt. was entertained of the truth of this generac
maxim, he was afraid that if motions like these werfa
persevered in, much difference Of opinion wn't
arise upon the application of that principle ; his 1)(0r;
position was such as he held to be clear as the su
at noon day, namely, that no doubt could be
,enter-
tained on the relative situation of this Colvthrel
of France in India. No doubt had been expres'fa
.upon that subject till lately in that House, nor "Dr,
any doubt he entertained elsewhere, only by'
ing forward speculations of our own in that nu";
and making that' doubtful in debate which He
long acknowledged 'to be clear in princiPle,', tine
then. entered into an historical detail of rilin3i3,
and, progress of the British Power - 'or-
the contests which had taken place from th the
,
liest periods, and the .share taken therein t.,•''icha,
French, in order to oppose our progress so
'down to the period in which Lord Clive 'la as
distinguished himself, to whom, for his valn?ri the
soldier, and wisdom as a Statesman, he l'altsure's
highest compliments ; the result of whose me3,,wer
stated 'to have consummated the. British ht
in India, and settled our Sovereignty there bY hri3gbi.
of conquest, which right he reconciled to the
tants by the wise respeCi lie laid to their Pyi,„
dices. Having gone through a coinPlerenwerl.
tory of these events, and having given' a c°-
dious account of the progress of the Mbglll ire
—v
pipe, and of its revolutions for eight cent"riea'revi
proceeded to state the conclusion, which he `gas
from all these rpremises ; which conclusi°'la ot-
thi§, " That though. we may feel it just "n pre-
pedient to make such allowtinees to the re,
judices of the inhabitants, and to make % or
gulations in our territories as we' may' Plel r. r5.0,e30
think adviseable, yet. with regard to
PoWers, to them we say freely and distin6l:Y'our
haVe gained this Country by our Arms, and ',Yoods.
yu
'Arms we will.keep it." For upon all ihe.gr rhat
which he had already stated; it was nianites'z purl
the Provinces' of Bengal, Baliar,,Orissa, `` troy'
come to Great Britain by conquest, as mucir . 0.3
Country ever came into the hands of atiothev; gO'
from the period when it becalne so under
E!'l.. the
vernment of my Lord Clive to the present .I;o`Y.o' thc
French never had direetly or indireEtly, terfete
Treaty of 1:763, any right whatever anal' 1450?
with. the Provinces of Bengal, Bahia, 11( 5, stlb'
&c. ; but,' that they. were by right of conclue,
jest to the Sovereignty of the King of Great, wig ft'
to all intents and purposes, which SoVereigtla Coal;
be exercised through the medium- of the Jo, iishe"
est,io -
parry;- and throlmh the different organs
• 010 4c
lt
down 111,3'11.
for 'the preservationb of our Provinces, "s . 1
we
any other part •of His Majesty's- doiniolo,rl:'
need not dwell upon these-points, thfr th`j,'6i
• .
clear and well-authenticated in the historY cig
dominions ; and therefore, he laid. it
and indisputable proposition, that what twit
'gained thus by zonquest, was- to be ct"l"'idersc'tOr'lll:);
reference to any other Eurcricati Powcr9oaerferel'of
subjed to our Sohreignty, without any. _reigns
‘ev.aaser::: 15);ei:
of theirs, that we were acioally the o!',ir
India, and no European Power had any fort
ever to dispUte o'er title to this povvetrhfewh.t po'` r,
sess, de faao.. Such was the state of 13" ely y
in India ;the sittlation ot.France
era, without one inch of territory
.l
claim under the Detinitiv
0 pa° vo
sideration. He would ask the Hoitsc I ; ,
moment, and then ask itself this cl")ci'ce who I",!
exce,.,7)t t‘tvrkicr/C:.o,ilt;
there a. man within hearing of„.l,,lis,irvihi,tl
any doubt whatever its to -ele,e -,se
• one met'•ctlt-
Certainly none.—Was there tiny
u.ght that 11
to he
the heating of his voice, who too were - rhe
fasts, and the right arising-out of
.toboclndi'n(!tttbol,
called in question, this) Cuntry Al' .340
length of risking its last stake to r-r"s 51.
ta
rights, and refuse giviug "eftea in or
• —He had no reason to be satis

of ,
e,oriosity, by asking why it was eXi'edietit
anctoe present moment to avoid references to
ofplent Treaties in the present Definitive Treaty
tie Le',`ce• It was a subject upon which he did not
it necessary to dwell at present, it was suf-
thient for him to saV, that there was no diminution
ever
in our power in India, no foundation what-
for
sot-any other to dispute our sovereignty there,.
any thing which entitled others to contest with
its the rights' upon which that sovereignty was
i
,a Inded ; nor was that all, lie Would go further, and
toYi he mistook gratly .if any doubt was now en-
s rtaji,ed,
that with regard to Great Britain, her
b(w,reignty in India stood at that moment upon a
reeer f°oting than if the forther Treaties had
,been
which was
newed by it. By the Treaty of 1783,
ever
entered
the very worst Treaty this Country
entered into on the subject of Indian affairs,
toe was the business of His Majesty's Govern_
vnt, and a very laborious one it was, in the Con_
,Pltion of 1787 to do away the evil created by the
LirdeiaatY of 1783. By that of 1783,0ur sovereignty in.
was rendered disputable ; by the Convention of
;787 our sovereignty was re-established. Having
,)11Patiated at considerable length upon the merits of
TeConvention of 1787, and the demerits of the
Treatyr of 1783, he proceeded to say, that had the
e.."LY now upon the Table renewed any former
thr:,4tY, it would have been impossible to refer to
to` Convention of 1787, without also renewing the
geldwhich were brought forward in 1783. It
0,4111 have been impossible to have introduced the
other,
without also calling for an explanation of the
ler, and therefore the affairs of that Country
,rere much better, considering all the circurn-
-oinces of the relative situation of this Country and
ed
D'rance. To suffer all Treaties whatever to be pass-
°l, erin silence, we might, perhaps, by rcnew_
.11-sotne of the declarations and admissions of our
000tvereignty
in India as settled by the Convention
1787, have
employed some antidote against the
bl evil of which we had too much reason .to complain,
It it was manifest to him we could not have such an_
IlLote without having also a certain portion of the
l'o°4°ll by the renewal of any discussion whatever
P" the subjea of Treaties, and therefbte he had
UodifEcult whatever in saying, that upon a review
reith, whole condition of our affairs, considered with
i!,,lti°lll.o those of Francc; we were infinitely better
Imrssing the subjed over in silence, than we should
been in endeavouring to renew any of them.
eonfessed, he said, that when the rumour
tfaelled him that the provisions of the Convention
4111787 were left out of the present Treaty, he
nip under an apprehension that our power in
41 'a would be destroyed, and he was the more
°
4h4llled when he heard it said, that this was brought
ti,4 in consequence of the views of France to un-
.ioTline, and finally to overturn, our Sovereignty.
sslrldia- This led him to turn the subjed very
dclusly in his mind, and, to look at all the ancient
jo'cutntnts, to consider the whole matter deliberate-
. tor'.l.and the result was, , that it was it finitely better
gritos to have no reference whatever to any Treaty,
14-;lelistis-already stated. But the Learned
c°ul Gentle.we asked,•-if.the. House could-..really , think that ,
v;•cl he secure in India against the ambitious
‘til:cr'S of France, as they had appeared in 1783,
thi‘i_which were done. away in ? Did We really
We were safe now, Without having renewed,
Y th
Present Treaty, the provisions of the Con_
ti,:e
tiOn of 1787 ? This he would answer, by put-
ty to the Learned Gentleman this question—Did
;,re,"llY think, that if the French should be -dis-
to renew the pretensions of £783, or any other
131.1'd, that they would be prevented from so doing
IsfY.t.few scraps of papers being laid on the Table
lit'n't House, a species of artillery that would not
klectloal'to the operation of a single field-piece for
.11a a.. minute ?—But the Lea•nel Gentleman would
that the Treaty of i 783 would establish the
oosPosition of the French at that time to dispute
bi! Sovereignty in India. It would indeed esta-
bh that which there was no need of establishing,
Neause the thing was well known ; the French did
tthst occasion, as they would .do on every occa-
hrn, provided they thought they could succeed in
th 'ttemnt of it, namely, endeavour to diminish
o: greatness of this Country, and enlarge its
e but in proportion as they were disposed to
n,nostile to our interest, or. querulous, while we
s;4l,°.Yed our advantages, he had no difficulty in
%a,sng, it was the wisdom of this Country, in the
1,1;7 proportion, to wait until these claims were
pt:iie which Gentlemen spoke of with so much ap-
ti)ension, and in the mean time to stand upon our
to6ol't---our paramount right of Sovereignty. -What
fie the French would take to enlarge their ccitn-
patee.ial interest in India was not for us to antici-
vols. It was enough- for us, that if they.iendea-
-00;er(d to do so by the exertions of individuals, or
liable
thew could never do so without being
theto be interrupted by this Country. If
ties were to try to exert Commercial Fa610,0012,0r
,0012,or to do any thing that interfered with
s,otu°vereignty in India, we should be fully war.
of ed, and what -was better, we were in possession
nleanle"ns to resist such an attempt. But those
Ingn,s, would not be increased by a few. Pipers be-
-1,4 he
before the House, such documents would
read - P Us to any arguments which we had not al_
thank, for the propriety of resisting such attempts ;
,God we had never wanted arguments to re-
tei„tne encroachments of the French on our sove.
forrbL.Power in India, nor had we wanted strength
cleapurpose; From all this it was perfeetly
ward that before the French could exercise any
rq-terC Inlndia, they must come to us in the cha-
of suppliants ; for nothing they had yet ob-
L,di:' Would enable them to carry on Trade in
fere, without our leave. He had stated the dif-
ven,icoenbetween the Treaty of 1783 and the Con-
\'‘'e ct 1787, already. He had to observe, that
Whieh re not now in a situation similar to that in
e .`ve stood in 1787. There was now no Treaty
reguixatenee between us and France, nor any
sillgiet'On on the zuhjed of India, except the
Tanie oflause in the' Convention now upon the
tr„de -th- House. • And with regard to the
"r France in India, if any they were to have,
t!ltiiiCi.-7::11.1 'Mire it only through the indulgence of
11l er in India; and, therefore, he said
grin
wrerdesaent
the ,' we were t
Treaty'etter off as the case stood upon
of Peace, than if we had re_
and of the former Treaties, Whatever mat-

ter of complaint wos td‘ be urged, or, rather, of
lamentation, upon this subjeel, it could only hr,
that His Majesty's Government did not settle
,the
whole of the provisions of al;
,former Treaties, by
taking notice of them all, and finally adjusting
them all. This, however in the abstrad it might
appear desirable, ought not to have been attempted
in the present case, because it would have been im-
possible to accomplish it, without protrading the
Negotiation to !a length that Would have been -in-
consistent with the interests of the States of En-
rope. The articles in all these Treaties must have
been all gone over, if any of them 'were no-
ticed ; in the course of which a thousand e)o=
planations would become necessary, and which
might have made the Negotiation in , many.
respeas . appear to some idle and ridiculous.
—But there were other considerations which, 'he
hoped, would operate- on the conduct of thoSe who
may- have the futore cooduCt of the affairs of India ;
and, they related to other Powers -as well as to the
French and ourselves in India—we were not to con.
sider merely our own concerns and those of
France in India. He stated it as a •solid ground of.
consideration for the East India Company, to regu-
late, not only the Trade of the French, but to look
to the,regulation of other subjeds, to have an eye
upon-other Commercial connexions. But it might
be said, Why not stipulate these things in
Negotiation, and finally determine them by "frea-
-ty ? To Which he would answer, It is much
better -as it is, for' at present we have the so-
vereignty of India; and 'he would ask,". if it ap-
peared to any Member of that House, to be
a wise course to exclude the Government of
this Country from all discretionary poWer to re-
gulate the Trade of India ? If the French, or any
other Power, should claim the right of carrying
their goods up the Ganges, or to do any other aCt,-
, was it not sufficient that we had the power to pre-
. vent them ? The French Trade in India, the Dutch
Trade in India, ,and the Trade of other. Powers in
India, might go hand in hand, so that it was not
detrimental to us ;.but if detrimental -to us; we had
the power to stop it,. and that was enough for our-
present purpose at least. He wanted this subjed to
be considered upon a large and coniprehensive scale,
and not confined merely -to ourselves and France. He
did not mean -to pretend, or to insinuate, that he ova;
in possession of the reasons which aduated His Ma-
jesty's Servants upon this occasion, when they came
to the' conclusion which was now before the Public;
but he felt himself entitled to state,- that if they had
chine that which some Gentlemen blamed them for not
doing, they would have put it out of their own power
to do their Country much service, which they will
now be enabled to render. by consulting those who
are best. qualified to advise them, and that more
especially on the affairs of India.—BUt, when
he heatd it said, that France was hostile in its
disposition towards the Trade of this Coun-
try, and was endeavouring to, prevail on Hol-
land, Spain, and other Countries to • do ail they can
to discourage' our trade, and to prohibit some of it
in their dominions, he would ask are they so ? And
if they be, is this the -precise period which you
would make them a voluntary gift of commerce to
India, when you are doubtful in what relation they
chose to stand with you with regard to other com-
mercial connedions ? " I own," said he, " this is
a subject on which' I. feel deeply ; I have it much:at
heart, and when I say that T am sure there is not
one man in this House who would feel more sorrow
than I should, if' I conceived it possible for you to
surrender any one of the rights of 'which I have
,bcen speaking ; at the sane time I feel these reasons
I love been stating, I desire not to be misrepresent-
ed ; I am one of thelast men in the world, my Con-
don, I think, proves it, wh6 would wish to plead
for the system of this Country narrowing the Trade
of Foreigners in India ; ever since I thought I under-
stood any thing of the affairs of India, my-maxim has
been to enlarge that trade, and that we might as well
attempt to prohibit any Foreigners from buying our
Manufactures of Yorkshire or of Birmingham, or
any other Manufacture of this Country, as prohibit
Foreigners from trading with our Territories in
India. But I should guard' against misconception
of this opinion of mine. When I say we should
not prevent the French, or any other Nation, from
trading with our territorial provinces in India, I
mean to say, that I am not afraid of them as
Merchants—l am not unwilling to give them, a
boon as Merchants, with a chance of reciprocity,
and I ask no more ; but I think I ani not going
too far when I desire this Country to guard
against that. which I know the French have en-
deavoured to make, and will, endeavour to make,
;if they see any probability of its success, I mean
an incroachment on your sovereignty in India.
—This they have • done, and if an opportunity
offers, this they will -do under the pretence of pur-
suing Trade.—They will ask you civilly; for in no
other way can they ask it, to allow them to do a
number of -things for the purpose of carrying on
Trade, when their object will be to incroach upon
your Sovereignty.—lt was in this way they for-
merly endeavoured to incroach upon your Sove-
reignty in 1787, when they told us they could not
'recover their debts without certain enlargement
of power in India ; we resisted that diredly ;
and I hope this will be the conduct of this Coun_
try in future. The very first article insisted
upon by Lord AUCKLAND, in 1787, was, that
nothing in the most 'distant degree touching our
sovereignty in India would, on any terms or con,
ditions whatever, be assented to on the part of thiS
Country. I hope it is not presumptuous in me to
say, I trust His Majesty's Government will adopt
the same principle, and stand. upon the same ground
as we did then, and if we do so, I will venture. to say
there will be no danger ; depart from that principle,
and your sovereignty will be first undermined, then
attacked, and perhaps finally overthrown. 'As to
What may be attempted by France, even with all
your caution, I cannot say you will have no diffi-
cUlty, for I am not going to be guarantee for the
moderation of the French; but what I contend for
is, that you have now better means than you would
have 'had by the renewal of. any Treaty, better
means than you ever had, of preventing incroachment
upon your sovereignty in India. But we have not
before us any prOof, nor is it insinuated; that the
French Nation themselvei are bringing forward any
such claim as We hear stated on their behalf : will

it ,)or be time enough, When-they do biing forward
the 3e claims, for Governnient to resist them ?---'-But,
surely; when we.agree, that their claims are dan-
gerous and cannot be admitted, ,it is singular to
pursue this as a subjet of declarnatiOn in the Holises
of Parliament. I say, this ought not to be done;
for we all know, that What p'asSes in this House; or
in the other House of Parlianient, transpires to the
people of this country ; and I cannot concur with
those, who wish to make the people of this country
think the Peace a bad one. lam certainly one of
those, who cannot give an appobation Of all the
Articles of Peace ; but is it doing good- to this
country to keep this question tie, and to :endea-
vour to' make the pepple dislike it ? Gentle-
men complain of the pride and arrogance of
France : Is-this the wa:.• to make her less proud
or ,arrogant ? Certainly notand, therefdre, I
cannot see • the wisdom of stating these claims,
which we all know and feel cannot be admitted, and
which nobody. asserts, to have been Made." He
then refuted the observations of Dr. LAWRENCE,
on the subjed of the danger to us in ,the Eastern
Seas, and on the apprehension. he expressed con-
cerning the claims of the DOtch, and then con-
eluded--e, I have stated what appeared to me to be
the true substantial rights and in terests of this Coun-
try on • the subject of Indian. afftirs, upon these
rights ano principleS I desire
,to stand, and I have
stated what course I think this Country ought to
pursue to preserve. those rights entire. lam aware
that by so stating them, and by so recommending
the course to be pursued, that • I impose on the
shoulders of His Majesty's Government an awful
and tremendous responsibility ; for if you depart an
iota from your sovereignty in India, and allow
others to incroach on you, -or 'any way, to diminish
the force of that paramount sovereignty, you will
lay the foundation of the overthrow of Your
power in India. If, being possessed' of that mighty
Empire, and-"of the means to assert and' vindicate
your right, you allow others to injure it by any at
of executive government, I shall not receive any
apology for the, Ministers, who shall suffer that to be
done under any pretence that the French had claim-
ed these things before, or under any other pretence
whatsoever, because you are now more than ever
possessed of means to prevent it. I apprehend the
Learned Gentleman whO brought this subjeCt for.
ward is of the same opinion, and I hope he will
concur with me in saying, Ministers, if they allow
our sovereignty in India to be touched will be
without an apology, and that therefore he will now
be so good as put his motions in his pocket. It is.
my solemn conviCtion, that 'if we were now to give
way to these hypothetiCat cases which are stated,-
and entertain these Motions, instead of strengthen-
ing we should weaken the rights- of the British
Empire. •
Mr. T. GREN VILLE said, there must have
been a broad line of misconception between the view
of the subjed taken by the Right Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. -Du.NbAs) and his, before the Right Hon.
Gentleman could have stated it in the manner he had
done. . The Right lion". Gentleman had stated
doubts as to the propriety of this 'Motion,' because
whether our claims were to he decided by negotia-
tion or by the sword, surely, said the Right Hon.:Geo-
tlemaneit was not wise to bring' forward doubts rela„
rive to our own claims, which were perfedlyclear.
He agreed with the Right Hon Gentleman in this
point ; but how did the argument apply to France ?
• The Right Hon. Gentleman had asserted, that this
Country possessed a clear right of sovereignty in
the East Indies ;' but having stated, this, what did
the latter part of his Speech refer to, that the claim
which England has asserted, has been and is dis-
puted ; how, therefore? did the argument of the
Right Hon. Gentleman apply ? He did not state
doubts but that at all period; France had disputed
our claims in India, Of what consequence' to the
question- were the victories and conquests of Lord
Clive, or the sovereignty we obtained in India ?
that sovereignty,, as well as whatever rights we.'
claimed, were still disputed by France. He di4
not mean to say. that 'this Country and France were
in a continual state of War, but the latter never
abandoned her claims, and this state of things pro-
duced the Convention of 1787, which was a com-
promise of claims. His Right. Hon. Friend (Mr.
DUN As) had stated, that the non.renewal of the
Treaty of 1783, and the ConventiOn of 1787, was
more advantageous to this Country than the re-
newal Of them would have- been'•: this was the first
time, he believed, that his Right Hon. Friend had
sat in judgment on the Treaty of 1783. He de-
sired co know, however, whether in many situa-
tions it was not more adviseable to possess a limited
right by Convention, than to rest upon a general,
but unacknowledged right, because, by obtaining a
limited right, by Convention, we obtained at the
same time a recognition of•this original right ? His
Right Hon. Friend had asked, what advantage was
to be derived from laying a few scraps of paper. on
the Table ? This put him in mind of a question
formerly asked.. on a subjeCt relative to the East-
India Company : What was a charter ? a piece of
parchment with a seal at the end of it. This mode
of argument, however, could
.not do away that con-
sideration to which important documents were en-
titled. - The objed of his Hon. Friend (Dr. LAW-.
RENCE) was to shew what France might elaiirt
against this Country; With resped to the naviga_
tion,of the Eas-tern Seas, his Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. DuNDAs). had, treated this subjed with consi-
derable levity ; he could not consider it as a matter
which ought to betreated with levity ; it wasnot
the claims of the' Dutch Republic, as settled by
Treaty, that formed the objed of
.consideration ;
but his Hon. Friend (Dr. LAWRENCE) had. stated
the dangers which might result from the .claims of
the Dutch Republic, in its present state. of servi-
tude, when it could only be considered as a Mem-
ber of the French Republic, and as identified With
France. He expelled that some objedion.would
have been made to the production of the Papers
moved for by his Hon. Friend ; but instead of this,
he could hear nothing but a laugh against it, and an
advice to his Hon. Friend to put the Motion into
his pocket. To such a sweeping kind of argument
it was scarcely possible to give any answers The
House would recoiled that no doubt was thrown
upon the claims upon this Country : he admitted
that they were clear, hut 'were they dear and un-
disputed ? this was be point, The Right Hon.

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Gentleman had, spoken as tp the prodenc-e.ors'ititi;;l

the claims which France !night make relative to ctia-i
poSSessions in the East Indies ; but as tO the cession'
of the Cape and Cochin, his Right Hon: Friend had
not said a single, word. Was it a light matter, that
the Cape and Cochin should be 'put into the hands
of France, before we: kneW the disposition of the
Enemy with resped to India, and that Prance shotild
assert her claims with the Cape and Cochin in her
possession ? if this was elionght a chatter fit to he
discussed, riOw was the moment 'for lisetissiun,
These observatiOns Were not triad'e for the piirpo,e-:
of querulously objeaing to the Treaty Of Peace
'no such thing: he wished to call the attention of
the Hotise to the danger hanging OVer the Country;
'how was it to be relieved, and by what suggestion
of huniati prudence ? Was it wished to ask the Enenw,
if he agreed to C), right of sovereignty in India, and
would they give hiM the Cape and Cochin to know
whether he agreed w it or not; and if lie did not, were
they in as'good a situation as before ? When all
former obligations were, ddne away, was it not ne,:
cessair to resort to new Conventions ? None were •
now offered in the place of those abrogated; and
did the .HOuse feel secure in this situation ? \Vas
it not necessary to know the intentions of France
with espea to India ? It was not likely that
twelve mouths would pass, before either France
would make claims in that Country which we could
not agree to, or this Country would exercise rights
there which France would resist : was it then pru-
dent in this Country, before sheAenew the disposi-
tion of France with resped to this subject, to'give
out of her hands the Cape and Cochin ? No argu.
ment whatever had been adduced against the Mo-
tion, which he should certainly support.
Lori erIeHrICESBURY said; the Right Hon,
Gentleman had wholly mistaken the argument of hiLl
Right Hon. Friend (Mr. DUNDAS), as well as- the -
state of the question. His Right Hon. Friend hadl.
stated the clear rights of Sovereignty which this
Country. possessed in India, but the Right Hen, '
Gentleman, whilst he admitted this, observed that
France had doubts upon the subject. ,There was no
ground. to suppose that the French themselves en-
tertained any doubt upon the sUbjed ;, it was per.:.
.fealy true that they had made claims; but upon-
what ground ? On the ,ground of ancient firmans,
and on the Treaties of 1?83 and 1787: if all these
were done away they had no ground whatever.-2
This Country had acquired the Sovereignty- of.
Bengal, .Bahar, and Orissa: this Sovereignty had
beenacknOwledged de plc* by the Governments of
Europe, and more especially by France. Let them
look at all the proceedings and transadiores relative
to the different Negotiations which had taken plaee
upon the subjed, and they would find that France
had always calle'd the British Government in' India
" The Government," and had relied upon thit
Government . for the decision of, the claims which
they had made. This Country came into posses:. •
sian of the Sovereignty of India at a time of
Peace with France, when we had to fulfil those en.
gagements or firnems made by the Great Mogul to
France, 'from whom we derived the Sovereignty.—
The firmans at that period were to'he considered as
in existence, and the question was, what privileges
they Conferred ? He believed the fad was, that
they merely gave certain indulgences with resped
to trade. These firmans were engagements of the
Great Mogul, which became as our oven engage-
ments when we entered on the Sovereignty; and
if they were to be considered as Treaties, they
were clearly put an .end to by the War which
ensued. between this Country and France. If
they looked to the Peace of 1783, they would
find that it did not renew those firmans, but it
offered additional evidence of an acknowledg-
ment de fade of our Sovereignty in India.—
France had brought forward Clainis for the este.
blishment ofa free and independent Trade in India,
but upon what authority ? On the i 3th Artidle of
the Peace. of 1783, she said, she had a right to
bring forward" those claims, founded upon the ar-
cient firnians, and this was in conseitience of the
loose wording. of that Article of the Treaty. This
gave rise to 'the Convention of 1787, which was
again an acknowledgment de fad° of our sovereignty
in India, and which was explanatory and re-
striaive of the 13th Article of the Peace 0f'1783.
-France had completely acknowledged our sovereign-
ty, and was' as completely subject to it as any.
Power in India, and certainly by the non-renewal
of former Treaties, those Treaties being abrogated,
France was placed on .the same footing as other
,Powers in India. The Right Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. GRENVILLE) 'had asked if France might not
bring forward those claims which she had formerly
urged ; she might bring them forward, but he
would state that if there was any period in which
France was lesS likely to bring forward such a claim,
this was the Moment; and he stated this amongst
other considerations in consequence of several points
whiclepassed in the course of the Negotiation- With
respell to the navigation of the Eastern Seas, which
had been alluded to, the Dutch had engaged not to
interrupt our navigation in those Seas, which it was
true was of little use, but as the Article was origi-
nally worded, they were not to interrupt our trade
there ; the word Trade; however, was struck
Out in the course of the .Negotiation, and the
Aiticle was in- consequence confined to our Navi_
gation, which was of little advantage. He
thought it unnecessary to enter more at large into
a discussion of these points.---With resped to the
papers moved for, there were some to which there
might be an objedioni others had been presented
before to the House; but after .what had passed, he
thought it was sufficient to say that there was no
ground of inquiry, ireorder to negative the Motion.
Mr. JONES Opposed the Motion.

Lord TEMPLE supported the Motion, and con.
tended, that this Country would have derived ma-
terial advantage from the renewal of the former
Treaties; The Motion was then put, and negatived
without a division.

Dr. LAWRENCE then proceeded to make la
great number of Motions relative to the Indian
Trade, all Of which were negatived without a- divi,

Dr. LAWRENCE then moved for a Statement of
the Claims of the Dutch to obstrud the free Nicri.

garion of British Subjects in the Eastern Seas.
Mr. NICHOLS opposed the Motion, which wag
negatived without a division.