The Sun.
London, England, 1834-05-14 00:00:00

THE POLISH EXILES.

The HoN. MEMBER then presented a petition from the
members of the Birmingham Polish Association, praying
that a grant of money should be made out of the Royal
Treasury for the relief of the Polish exiles in England.
( Hear.) The hon. member proceeded to read the pe-
tition at length, and concluded, that the question
was one in which Great Britain was deeply interested,
inasmuch as she had been a party to the treaty which
Russia had so shamefully violated ; also a petition from
1,700 Methodists of Birmingham, praying for the esta-
blishment of a plan of national registry ; also a petition
from the debtors confined in Cambridge county gaol, pray-
ing for the abolition of imprisonmentfordebt, unless in cases
where fraud had been committed. The hon. member said
that he was of opinion that imprisonment for debt was a
great hardship, cruelty, and oppression, and should be abo-
lished ; and, in the absence of the Attorney-General, he
trusted that some hon. member would take up the question.
The petitions were laid on the table.
Mr. BLACKBURNE presented a petition from a
Methodist congregation of Huddersfield, praying for the
better observance of the Sabbath.

Mr. F. PALMER presented a petition from Reading,
in favour of the present Beer Bill, and from the licensed
brewers of the same place, in favour of the same bill. The
petitioners stated, that owing to the competition under the
present Beer Bill, the beer had been of much better
quality, and lower price.
The Earl of GROSVENOR thought if the provisions
of the proposed bill were better known it would excite no
alarm.

Mr. MILES said that though the bill mighthaveserved
towns, it had been very injurious to the country districts.
Mr. K. TYNTE said he would support the prayer of
the petition of the grand jury of Somerset, because he
considered that the Beer Bill had a tendency to injure the
morals of the people.
After a few words from Colonel G. LANGTON and Mr.
A. SANFORD,

Mr. T. ATTWOOD said that a great deal had been
said about the drunken habits of the people of England,
and of the demoralization produced by the Beer Bill. He
was not one of those who thought it so very great a crime
to get tipsy. (A laugh.) And why should not the poor
man after his week's hard labour recreate himself and get
tipsy as well as a gentleman? (A laugh.) Though the
poor labourer might sometimes drink too much, yet he had
rather the poor man should drink too much than
too little. (A loud laugh.) Hon. members might
laugh, but he could tell them that nine times out
of ten, the poor man got too little. The statistical tables
of Mr. Marshall, drawn up under the directions of that
house, proved that 100 years ago more malt was consumed
than now, and more spirits and wine. What truth then
was there in the complaints which they daily heard of
increasing demoralization of the poorer classes? Men, to
'be sure, got tipsy now • they always had done so, and al-
ways would. (A laugh.) He (Mr. Attwood) did not see
that there was any great harm in their doing so. The law
proposed a remedy--a fine of 55., and the penalty of
sitting an hour or two in the stocks. He did not object
to the stocks (A laugh) ; he had put many a man there
himself, and he thought it quite a sufficient punishment.
The petition was then ordered to lie on the table.
Lord BRUDENELL presented a petition from mem-
bers of the established church of the county of Northamp-
ton praying that the bill for the admission of dissenters to
the universities might not receive the sanction of the house.
Mr. R. WALLACE presented petitions from the hand-
loom weavers of Aberdeen, Paisley, and Arbroath, praying
for certain regulations of their trade ; from the I'olish
Association of iEdinburgh on behalf of the Poles ; from
Renfrew, against Sir Andrew Agnew's Sabbath Bill for
Scotland ; from Glasgow, against the Water Bill ; from
the Chamber of Commerce at Greenock, against small re-
ceipt stamps ; from the same place, against that clause in
Sir Andrew Agnew's Bill affecting seamen ; and also an-
other from the latter place, relating to the new duties on
tea.—Laid on the table.

Sir R. DONKIN presented a petition from the Mayor.
and Burgesses of Berwick-on-Tweed, against the General
Registration of Deeds Bill.—Laid on the table.
Lord GROSVENOR presented a petition from the
justices, in sessions assembled, of the county of Chester,
against beer shops ; one from the grand jury of Chester,
and another from the clergy of Nantwich to the same
effect. Also some petitions from the same county, com-
plaining of agricultural distress, and three others from
Dorset against the admission of dissenters to the univer-
sities.—Laid on the table.

Mr. MILES presented a petition from the grand jury
of Somerset against beer shops. Also, several from
Wells, Frome, and other places in the same county,
against the admission of dissenters to the universities.
Also a petition from an individual, named George
Webhall, in the same county, praying for the protection
of his flocks against sporting dogs.—Laid on the table.
Mr. HAWES presented a petition from coach proprie-
tors travelling on the Newington and Surrey roads, pray-
ing for the abolition of sundry tolls, not applied to the
repair of the roads. The hon. member said he should
bnng in a bill to secure that object.
Major BEAUCLERK supported the petition.
Mr. POTTER said he had been requested to support
the prayer of the petition which had been presented by his
hon. friend the member for Lambeth, which he had great
pleasure in doing, and he hoped the hon. gentleman would
succeed in his benevolent intentions. If there was one
thing more important than another to the health and com-
fort of the inhabitants of large towns, it was offering every
inducement to them to get into the country. Sunday was
the only day the great majority could leave their business,
and in his opinion all obstacles which interfered to prevent
them taking exercise in the open air, ought certainly
to be removed. (Hear, hear.) Sunday tolls was
one of the impediments to that desirable object.
Captain GORDON presented several petitions from pa-
rishes in Aberdeenshire against abuses of church patronage,
and others for the protection of the church. The hon.
member supported the latter, but objected to the former.
Laid on the table.

O'CONNOR DON presented 'several petitions from
Roscommon against tithes.
Colonel PERCEVAL defended the tithe composition of
the parishes to which the petition referred.
After a few words from Colonel CONOLLY and Mr.
FINN the petitions were laid on the table.
Sir G. STAUNTON presented a petition from a place
in Southampton, praying for a measure for the better ob-
servance of the Sabbath.
Col. EDWARDS presented a petition from Llandillon,
Monmouthshire, pra) ing for the abolition of tithes.
Col. CONOLLY presented two petitions from the trus-
tees of turnpike roads in Ireland, against the Turnpike
Acts Amendment bill.

Aand Mr. F. SHAW,
the pfteet
table.
N
11Ir. PEASE presented a petition from the inhabitants
of Darlington, against the payment of seamen's sixpences
ritiaon fewa zr oordlasidfro onm the lklr.
to Greenwich Hospital ; one from St. Helen's, Durham,
praying to limit the duration of parliaments to five years,
and for vote by ballot, and against universal suffrage ; also
a petition from Durham, praying for the repeal of the duty
upon coal exported : a petition from the dissenters of a
congregation in Durham against the payment of church
rates.

Mr. BANNERMAN presented several petitions from
Aberdeen, praying for a better observance of the Sabbath ;
a repeal of the duty on receipt stamps ; in favour of the
reciprocity duties, and other subjects.
Mr. ROLFE presented several petitions from dissenters
of Falmouth and its vicinity, praying for the redress of
grievances.
. .

Mr. VIVIAN presented a petition from Swansea, for
a remission of the duty upon coals exported.
Lord NORREYS presented several petitions from va-
rious parishes in Gloucestershire and Oxfordshire against
the admission of Dissenters to the Universities; and one
against the Dissenters being relieved from the payment of
church rates. (Laughter. )
Mr. EWART presented a petition from Liverpool,
praying for an inquiry into the case of John Allan, a hand-
loom weaver, confined for contumacy to the Ecclesiastical
Court, and praying for an inquiry into the state of the
Ecclesiastical Court. _ _ _

Mr. PALMER presented a petition from Berkshire,
against the admission of dissenters to the universities ; and
one praying for an alteration in the present laws relative to
the sale of beer.

After a few words from Sir C. BURRELL, the petitions
were laid on the table.

Mr. SLANEY presented a petition from Woodbridge
(Suffolk), complaining of the present mode of assessment
of county rates.
Mr. JAMES presented a petition from the dissenters of
Carlisle, praying for relief from their grievances.
Mr. V. SMITH presented a petition from an individual
upon the subject of the claims of the Baron de Bode.
Mr. TOOKEpresented a petition from Gloucester, com-

plaining that the bill replatihg the protke of eleatOg
•himneys by means bf climbing boil, did dot ke oong
o remedy the evil ; also, a petition from an individUal of
he name of Westall, praying that, if the beer bill was re-
pealAl, compensation should be given to those who would .
suffer by its repeal.
Me. PARKER presented it petition from the members
of the Sheffield Mechanics' Institution, praying that the
house wmild make grants for the establishment of a
AlechanicS' ItStittite alio a petition from.the same place,
signed by 12,00(1 perkoiii, pta ing fdr itie repeal of the
corn laws.
Mr. BAILLIE presented a petition from Bristol, for
the better observance of the Sabbath ; also from Bristol:
against the use of climbing boys in sweeping chimneys'
and three petitions from trades' unions of the same place,
upon the subject of the Dorchester unionists ; and a pets- .
tion signed by 1'2,060 inhabitants of tristol and its nog?:
bourhood, Praying Mai relief tiiii4ht be affbrded to th,e,(!'",
senters ; also two petitions upon the subject of thecliun
of Baron Dc Bode.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD presented a petition from tbe
guardians of the poor of Birmingham, against the nxl.
Laws' Amendment Bill.
After the presentation of several other petitions, the
SPEAKER left the chair.

_ .
MEETING of the OPERATIVE MASTER.

TAILORS.--(THIS DAY.)

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A meeting stag Palled le%, a plabard, signed "Ftic,..eharder
Jackson," on behalf of the " respectable operetive reeri,
tailors," to be held at twelve for one o'clock, at Savi.el
house, Leicester-square. The doors, however, Were ;:),
opened till the latter hour, the committee not hitein,pc,',--
perly concluded the bargain for them till that time. 1 ' - f
was no business done till near two o'clock, when several o
the committee appeared on the plitform. but even then
there were net 40 petiple in the eboth:
A Mr. Ashley, of Leigh-street, was proposed as chair"
man by those on, the platform ; one on- the floor did not
Clink him of sufficient importance to fill that situation
when important businesS was to be transacted, and Pr°-
r osed a Mr. Scott. After a scene of very great confusion/
He then
Mr. Ashley at last was voted to the chair.
said, that it was perhaps necessary for hilnal ::i
explain the objects of the present meeting: It, wecaLe- I _
for the purpose of trying to come to souse onue--- f
laacvlbhiraedorceaeopi
nnet eenpirdil.oie
depended
reconciliation
with the men who had struck for such an increase e;
wages as by many were considered to. be out of 1;
yigreattth"e.amsdasnipetacreeerssdssae iaienrintydeiftohhr ie
terilhleenitnh.
had caused, not only in their own trade, but in all a
to some proper understanding, or, in other words, to effect
had a master from the city with them last nig_ne
held very erroneous opinions as respected the demands of the
men ; he thought it was eepossible for them to come 0
anything like an understanding, but before he left the room
he acknowledged that those impressions had been in
.2,'
great measure removed. He knew that many masters had
taken in unionists, but they found it would not do, and
they were falling into the back ground, but when that en
found to be the case the difference was immediately givet;
back. One of the unionists was in the room, and would
better explain any thing than ho could ; he would also be
question that might be put to him,
glad to answer any _
calledout, " Wll
A person in the meeting
Leslie, the chairman of the committee that was appointed ,
appeared that
the
~
to carry the resolutions, which the most of those present
had agreed to, into effect ? Was that a party sprung up in
order to destroy what had been done by the great meeting
of nearly all the masters in London?"
Another—°" You yourself, Mr. Chairman, signed your
name at that meeting, and did not object to one of the
resolutions; then how dare you now come forward, arid'in
such a backhanded manner try to get rid of what you A
You are afraid to come forward in a fair, open way acid
get your name taken from the list ; then how: dare you--
fifteen
Ihe speaker was here interrupted by about
or sixteen others, all speaking at once, last
t
renders it impossible to give any report of it. At 'ed .
silence having been partially restored, the Chairman said
the circular, which all had got from the journeymen, '"`.
not clearly explain what the sentiments of that body weerlee
He thought therefore that the masters ought to na „
looked into it a little before they so coridenull';
every thing, and then they would have found that had
demands of the men were not so very unjust " they
denounced them to be. One man at that mectinTut he
was a little in favour of tbe men, got up to speak,
of that meeting, but that they would give every one 14"
hearing.
was not heard. He trusted that would not be the character
„ter_
Another scene of confusion ensued, one person calling.
out " that it was against common sense first of all tola
prove of one set of resolutions one day, and then a' iy
meeting in order to try and destroy them in an untuan
manner." _

(:01:erd:es;.h)avilinge
tbleioeungahgtaiifn
trhistoorpeedr,ative
masterstehusitluset:
their
ey: 1:Ir. r 1
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competency,
whether
ret - xi 1
cs
competenti d
and his oobnj eocrtth
anwto, atgrs, toohune see master
uatid
brought together, as he did not like to see them ernie,6'
thought that men were only
their own interest, they would not injure that of
neymen. With respect to the journeymen having '.l6s.
when the proposition was first brought forward, he
be paid • t
to paid according
he did not object to it. (Loud cheers.) He thoug°"
the proceedings that were now being carried on between
the master and journeyman ought not any longer to con-
tinue, and he should, therefore, suggest that a small depul
tation of the journeymen should meet the masters, an
see if they could not settle matters. (Loud cheers.)
With respect to the number of hours that a 11,,n,
was required to work, he must confess that he thought
twelve hours too long. A man in doing so would bamide
a complete slave. (Cheers.) He would, however,
the journeymen not to quarrel about small trifles; let them
only be paid according to their merits, and he had great.
hopes that the differences which existed betweei.Tern ail
the master tailors would soonbe put an 5e i
.r!
1 riitoth 1
to the journeymen striking for wages, he saw i
.g in
'es and tamales,
it ineons,stent with their duty to themseli
or illegal. All that had done so would be supported f
ot •
thatan confessda iniwt at
aLeot:
standing their heavy purses, he wished to know where the
master tailors would be? (Great hissing and confusiot?._),
twelve months, and in the course of that time, notwith-
He thought the operative masters were not bound by wr,.'_B;
the great masters had done, and had a right to act lu
themselves.
He considered that Mr. Smith was going far beyond 'lt.a_
the meeting was called for, and begged to ask whether he
bad any thing to say with respect to the -men svotrkit us:
The CH AI amA x rose to order, amid much confu,Nsin.
their maste:s shops, as that was the chief point it disc
sion ? (Much confusion. )
effect that object, but he considered that the gu,
Mr. Spun' thought an arrangement might he.
En
ilia there-
ter tailors were too fond of foreigners, and he
scto take care
fore advise the meeting, in all that they (li 7 and cries
to keep to old English ways. ( Great confusion,
•
for Mr. Chevin to come
hasp)forwrd. hustings, and
Mr. CLIEVIN then took lce on the .
nd of he
addressed the meeting. He stood there as the friend
to . _
journeymen tailors. (Cheers.) Wi hexespect tf::
ld not co
question of thtir working twelve hours, cou ,ka
Sider it too much, taking into consideration the facts for
the workmen in general were not content with world Bake
that period ; but if they only thought they could 1.113
a little more money, they would work 16, 179 or
hours. (Cheers.) It was said by those connected with
.nsitialrileasto.
the union, that the small masters would be men.in.lur
by an excess of wages being given to the esll
That proposition he in toto denied, because the eelly
p denialr
es siogni given ba
assertion,
s theert i
obno d,
masters (who had formerly been journeyme° °loot'
selves), if they found that they were called upot►
to pay their journeymen excessive wages would install +
set to work for themselves. (Cheers.) • 1
Mr. Boca: rose to propose the first resolution. .veesi
Resolved--.., That in consequence of the unevnis
..
wiere
journeymenythoaft
virtually a body of " political ~,itators " , members
--c _ to the
the express purpose of dietatng_ey
1 of operative
and public at large, the united ov
rtunity of setting the
masters have taken the present ot,pp.o
theitrade at large, with
intentions of the men fairly befotrh.e
above erroneous e -
the view of explaining away
pression "
• arried after some discussion, 3
The resolution was c
that thc masters were not
gentleman remarking remarking . . _
ose A.
the resolutions intend to bc prop
tbue
quainted with der
come
joo 1
tt I, il
le
eort
Iv
eit orw
d,
for
" That thismeeting •
conbi
Second rewlution•— they, t lie
1,, CO
difference made in the price of clothes, ".7tritliog,
Plying with the demands of the men, will be so
selves,
with the advantage:to the public and the=n Areii.
compared_wi
•expedient ede to t'
that this meeting think it to colic .
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work.
demands for efficient workmen, and force very etnoclino be
man in proportion to his ability, prvided n.
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consumed for refreshments on the master's pront.S.,7oo.
We shall give the conclusion in our Second 't.'..._"'._._..-__--_-.-*'-
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BIR TH S. of Phil°
On the 13th inst., in Dorset-place, the lady
James Green, Esq., of a so. lion 31°.
n
On the 11th inst., at Ingestre Rectory, the
Talbot, of a son. •
MARRIED. 'd J°
On the 10th inst., at Eastbourne, Sussex, avid go.
Hall, M.D., to Anna, eldest daughter of the late we.
Alexander Brodie, D.D., many yea:s!ir!e2Lof that P----
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DIED. ~
: Vl' I
On the 13th inst., at the house of N. W. Senior,
Kensington, 111iss mily Senior, deeply lamented. mo.
On the 10th inst., at St. Julian's, near Sevcnosks,
hetshininsts.:.
WaltE
rc.haebveetrhed, wife H eorftiksi,
rt:ijec4ll;ol.regory,
o tli4
I‘SitaioOer)innt,ta ihilreeeerrll7iotei to f
late Lord Bagot.
of paradise-street, Lambeth. ----
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