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London, England, 1851-04-09 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY nIVI

(From the V tes and Proceedings of the House
TUESDAY, APRIL 8.
STATE OF IRELAND.
Motion made and Question proposed, " Th
do resolve itself into a Committee, to take into
the state of Ireland, with a view to relieve the
existing :" Amendment proposed, at the end of the Ques-
tion, to add the words, " and more especially to consider the
best means of amending the laws relating to the relationship
of landlord and tenant :" Question, " That those words ba
there added," put, and agreed to :—Main Question, as
amended, put. The House divided :

MINORITY-AYES, 129.
Anstey, T. C. Floyer, John Mailings, J. IL
Arkwright, George Forbes, William Naas, Lord
Bagge, W. Forester, G. C. Napier, Joseph
Begot, lion. W. Fox, S. L. Neeld, John
Baillie, H. J. French, F. Neeld, Joseph
Baird, James Frewen, C. H. Newdegate, C. N.
Bali-lock, E. H. Fuller, A. E. Newport, Visct.
Bankes, George Gaskell, J. M. Norreys, Sir D.
Barrow, W. H. Gilpin, R. T. Nugent, Sir Percy
Bateson, Thomas Gooch, E. S. O'Brien, J.
Bentiuck, Lord If. Goold, Wyndham O'Brien, Sir Lucius
Beresford, William Gore, W. R. 0. O'Brien, Sir Timothy
Berkeley G. F. Grace, 0. D. O'Connell, John
Bernard, Viscount Grattan, Henry O'Connell, M. J.
Blake, M. J. Greene, John O'Flaherty, Anthony
Blandford, Marquis Grogan, Edward Packe, C. W.
Blewitt, Reginald Guernsey, Lord Palmer, Robert
Bolder°, George H. (lwyn, Bowel Ponson by, C. F.
Brereridge, Richard Halsey, T. P. Portal, Melville
Brooke, Sir A. B. Hamilton, G. A. Repton, G. W. J.
Bruce, c. L. C. Harris, Captain Sadleir, John
liruen, Colonel Henley, J. W. Scully, Francis ,
Buller, Sir Y. Higgins, G. G. Sibthorp, Colonel
Burghley, Lord Hildyard, T. B. T. Spooner, Richard
Burke, Sir T. J. Hill, Lord E. Stafford, Annan,
Castlereagh, Vis. Hodgson, W. N. Stanford, J. F.
Chichester, Lord J. Jones, Captain Stanley, Edward
Christopher, R. A. Keating, Robert Stanley, E. H.
Clive, H. B. Keogh, William Stuart, H.
Cobbold, J. C. Knightley, Sir C. Sullivan, Michael
Colvile, C. R. Knox, Colonel Taylor, Thomas E.
CuballY, M. E. Lennox, Lord G. IL Tenison, E. K.
Crawford, W. S. Lockhart, W. Thompson,Waerniall
Devereux, J. T. Mackenzie, W. F. Tollemache, John
Disraeli, B. , Macaghten, Sir B. Tyler, Sir G.
M`Callagh, iv.
Dod, J. W. Vyse, R. 11.
Megan, W. H.
Duncombe, A. Waddington, H. 8.
Dundas, George Meagher, Thomas Welby, G. E.
Dunne, Colonel Mahon, O'Gorman Willoughby, Sir H.
Du Pre, C. George Mandeville, Viscount Wodehouse, E.
Edwards, Henry Maunsell, T. P. Wynn, 11, W.
Fagan, William /deux, Sir Henry TELLELS.
Farnham, E. B. Monsen, William Barron, Sir H.
Ferrer, James Moore, George 11. ReYnolda. John

MAJORITY—NOES, 13S.
Abdy, Sir Thomas Greenall, Peto, Samuel G. pilkingten, JamesAeland, Sir T. D. Grenfell, C. Pascoe
Adair, R. Shafto Grey, Sir G. Pinney, WiMani
Aglionby, H. Grey, Ralph W. Ricardo, Osnrla
Ashley, Lord Grosvenor, Lord R. Rice, E. R.
Baines, M. T. Hallyburton, Lord Robartes, T. J. A.
Baring, Sir F. Hanmer, Sir J. Romilly, Colonel
Bass, M. T. Hardcastle, J. A. Romilly, Sir John
Bellew, R. M. Hastie, Alexander Russell, Lord J.
Berkeley, Admiral Haste, Archibald Russell, E.
Berkeley, C. L. Hatchell, John Rassell,F. C. It.
Bernal, Ralph Hawes, Benj. Scholefield, W.
Blackstone, W. Heald, James Seymour, Lord
Boyle, Colone. Heathcoat, Johß. Shafto, R. D.
Bright, Jelin Henry, Alexander Sheridan, R. B.
Brocklehurst, John Hepworth, Lawrence Blaney, R.".L.:
Brockman, E. D. HindieyiCharles Smith, J. A.
Brotherton, Joseph Hobhouse, T. B. Smollett, A.
Brown, H. Hodges, T. L. Somers, J. P.
Caulfeild, J. M. Howard, E. G. Somerville. Sir W.
Cavendish, C. C. Hutchins, E. J. Sotheron, T. H. P.
Cavendish, G.H. Jackson, William Spearman, H. J.
Cavendish, W. G Kershaw, James Stanton, W. S.
I Childers, J. W. King, P. J. Stuart, Lord J.
Clay, James Labouchere, Henry Tancred, H. W.
Clerk, Sir G. Lewis, G. C. Thicknesse, R. A.
Cockburn, Sir A. Littleton, E. R.
John Trelawny,-J. H.
Thompson, Colonel
I Collins, William Locke, Joseph Tollemache, F. J.
Cowper, W. F. Mackie, John Townshend, Captain
Craig, Sir W. G.Train, George
I Deedes, W.
Denison, J. E. I.l‘ it :
:1,
zG reel
11 o, r
Duncan,
Marshall, William Vesey, Thomas
Douglas, Sir C. Matheson, Colonel Villiers, Viscount
Drummond, Home Morris, David Watkins, Colonel
Duncan, Lord Mostyn, E. Westhead, J. B.
Duncuft, John Mowatt, Franc!' Willcox, Brodie
Dundas, Sir D. Mulgrave, Earl Williams, John
Ellice, E., jun. Norreys, Lord Williamson, Sir H.
Ellis, John Ogle, S. C. Wilson, James
Evans, William Oswald, Alexander Wilson, Matthew
Foley, J. H. Owen, Sir John Wood, Sir Cherie!
Fordyce, A. D. Paget, Lord A. Wood, W. P.
Forster, Matthew Paget, Lord Clarence Wortley, J: S.
Fertescue, Chichester Palmer, Roundel! Wyvill, M.
Freestun, Colonel Palmerston, Vis. MUM.
Glyn, G. C. Parker, John Hayter, W. G.
Goulburn, Henry Perfect, R. Hill, Lord M.

ANALYSIS OF THE DIVISION ON ME. HERMES'
MOTION.
Majority (tellers included)—
Liberals ... ...
Conservatives

...
...
... 228

... 52
••• ••• •••
- 280

Minority (tellers included)--
Conservatives
Liberals

197
...
35
0.M., 982

Absent—
Liberals (including pairs) ... ••• 7°,
Conservatives (including pairs) .. ••• 60
Seats vacant—
Aylesbury, Coventry, Enniskillen, Leith, Lon-
don, Longford, Somerset (West) ... .• 7
Speaker 1
656

Sir W. Molosworth paired off with Mr. Whitmore against
Mr. Herries' amendment.
Mr. Traill, M.P. for Caithness, paired against Mr. Harries'
amendment with Mr. Thornhill, M.P. for the county of
Huntingdon.

SMITHFIELD MARKET.
(From the Morning Advertiser.)
We must own that we feel somewhat surprised that the
nhabitants of the metropolis should regard with so much
seeming indifference the Bill now before Parliament, for
erecting a new cattle-market in the neighbourhood of Horn-
sey,—which is intended to supplant the cattle-market which
has stood for so many centuries in Smithfield. We can only
account for this indifference, on one of two suppositions,—
either that the population of London have no definite notions
as to how far they will be affected by the contemplatod
transfer of the metropolitan cattle-market to Hornsey, or
that they are making sure the measure will never receive the
sanction of the Legislature.

•- With regard to the latter assumption, has i lever oc-
curred to the inhabitants of London that their inactivity
and seeming indifference are more adapted than anything
else that could be imagined, to bring about the very result
which we know they would deprecate did they suppose it to
be probable? Will not the very fact, that they are so silent
and inactive on the subject, be pleaded as a reason why the
Bill promoted by a parcel of private speculators should be
passed? If that measure is to be opposed in Parliament
with any chance of success it is clear that the inhabitants of
London must raise their voices to the loudest pitch in oppo•
sitien to it. It is right they should know that unless they
adopt, without delay, some energetic measures to oppose the
Bill, there is too much ground to apprehend that it may re-
ceive the sanction of Parliament.
There are, we know, some persons who think that any ac-
tive efforts, on the part of the metropolitan public, to oppott
the Bill for fa cattle-market at Hornsey, are unnecessary.
because Sir George Grey, speaking in the name of his col•
leagues, has intimated that it is the intention of Government
to oppose the Bill. No doubt the Home Secretary meant
what he said. But then it is to be remembered, that Cs?-
vernments, as well as individuals, sometimes change tll.
opinions. And even when Ministers do not change their
minds, they are sometimes themselves made the
.subjectsusoef
change. The Whig Ministry can speak feelingly' it is
experimentally, on the subject. They
to be out of office as well as in office.
sweyill Cattle-
marketreniain
weeks ago, and the odds are that they Tiiiybe out again be-
,,,joiToo knowwe er
,e
to
hu
et r a
ffoewre,
fore many more weeks have elapsed.
on
tahetehtetotirhies:t on a broken
that they were to on the opposition of Government
dt
Bill, for its rejection, would
reed. Besides, even were
in office for a little while longer.. .
that their opposition it certeard
know, have we, on would be
op-
pose the measure with all their might, what. certainty, we
should like to
successful ? They are no strangers to minorities. That is
a destiny to which'they have :been a good deal accustomed
of late. They are getting so much used to it, that it mast
by this time come to them as a matter of course.
If the measure is to be successfully opposed, it can only be
by the population of London adopting some energetic mea-
sures, with the view of knocking it on the head before the
private adventurers who have got up the project, proceed
farther with it.
We rather suspect that the metropolitan population have
not any very distinct idea as to the way in which they will
be affected by the measure. It is doubtful, indeed, whether
the mass of the population have any idea that they will be,
in any way, affected by it. We are disposed to ascribe their
indifference to it, to the assumption that it is of no import-
ance to them. It is only because they are ignorant of the
provisions of the measure, that they could have come to this
conclusion. Is it nothing to them, that the tolls on cattlf,
are to be raised from twopence to eightpence per head, and
those on sheep in the same proportion? Surely, no one wk)
is cognizant of this provision of the Bill, can be simple eno?..geThr
to suppose that the increased tollage will fall on arly. S,
party than the consumer. They will have to pay, 'D the
shape of an increased tax on all their butcher's _vr cattle
enormous sum meant to be expended on this ,t.n beasts,
market—this huge site for the sale of living and us7,„utifui
with which it is meant to deform one of the In°
spots in the neighbourhood of London.
and lament the
We have never hesitated to acknowledge
with Smithffela
evils which have been so long associatedtween the retention
Market. And were the choice to lie between
site, and its
of the metropolitan cattle market on
hseyi,taotretoinansayYjnotgh—er Ipeltamit ,
transfer to Hornsey, we should not
oBuat. that alternative
r ill
evils,es not lie
thieebeertecwteenion
by all means, be transferred to
in the neighbourhood of
IL:en
not placed before us.
Smithfield. Market and its enormousSmithfiela an
of a new market at Hornsey. Market is stamp-
e_.o. And, what is more, the CorPo"
tible of great improyem.xfig dgoiuvie;_"ti
1 to make such ' ts as
ration are ready
And wobviate te ob* improvements
may be necessary to s e before
ar h
._ jections usna y
• it. Their Plan .t
against e public. They are tiO
most, if net ll
comprehensive, that a , the objections which
de to the present metropolitan market will be ob•
may be ma
viated in the apprehension of every person of unprejudiced
mind. deem it rieht t
Still we - -t) express oar conviction that the
plans of the Corporation for very greatly enlarging the area
of Sinithfield, and mak:_g
in such erections in connexion with
the market, as may obviate existing evils, are, though good,
Dot all that they might be. They are susceptible of great
improvement. A still wider area might be embraced. We
pointed out, in our paper of Thursday last, how this might
be done. If the space proposed to be devoted to lodging"
houses and baths were to be appropriated to the nar:
market, the latter would be made one-half larger th:rdldlll.
at present intended. This would be an p imp'eße
ob-
tional improvement. It would remove every c9nceiv awalled
jection to the metrop this olitan cattle market
.heing
e
where it is. And what is to prevent iinprov
emen
our suggstiont?
?
What is to hinder the adoption of_
last week, bates
It is not too late. As we remarked
..
gs in
their
and lodging-houses are excellent
because no journal
turn
way. W e can say this the more freely,
has devoted so much space to their advocacy as our own.
a i
But other sites can be had for long-houses and baths. Ae
_g.
having a sufficiently en-
larged area for the metropolitan
compared with the importance or
cattle mar e .
k t they are tni•
worthy a moment's considration.
to the corporation, in the hoe
We throw out these hints
ell to remove, by their content-
that as they have done souvi
the
weightiest _g
ei htiest objections to the
plated new market, Lon., they may do still better, by ea
site remaining where it ,
s to reconcile to the retention of -efee
improving their plane as
all those who are not pereonaliy
cattle market where
interested in the success of the Hornsey speculation. •Since t 1
.
n type,
we have received & commun.'•
he above was
elsewhere insert, consisting of a declaration,
signed by e
cation, which we
ecitizen electors of London,. and which her
been N
7'd
dto Lord John EllMell and the other City ?Om
ora