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- ' YIOOSE OF PEERS.
'Fa rimy, MAY 24..
Illtintlellt was deferred till Thursday next, he the appeal
4:11115t kediligton v. Redington.
The I.ORD CHANeItLLOR stated, that he had 'received a
Letter from Earl-St. Vincent, which expressed his Lord-
Ship's readiaess to attend before the Seled Committee of the
House of Commons.
Lord Avek LAND moved, That a Messenger be sent to the .
Coat moas, to ii quire Pespeeting What points it was the to- .
te„ion of the Committee to examine his Lordship.--ThisMotion was agreed to.
The Order of the bay was then read, for the MotiOn of the
i.otte CHANCELLOR, reSpeaini the time, place, and man.
tier in which Mr. rustic:e I.ox should appear to answer to the
matters alledzed against Jilin.
kficr some conversation uon the mode of pi.oceeding.be-
tween the Unke of CLAR RNce and the Marquis of Anza-
esNN, the Motion was deterred till Tuesday next.
,The %lotion for the appointment of a Committee to exa.
nmie ihto the validity of charges brought againit 1 udge r o
,%% likewise deferred till Thursday ; for which day their
Lordships were summoned to attend.
NAVAL. AFFAIIZS.
The Order of the Day being read for the. discus-
sion of the different N, val Documents that have for
Some time hen on the Table,
Lord DARNLy,y rose to call the attention of
the I-louse to t
Condo heir contents, with an' intention of
ding with a Motion, that they be referred to
the eat,,,i,tenttiun of a Selea Committee. He should '1
ti"t„rtnv detain their Lordships' time with any,
.nieflures whatever on the motives which caused
the refusal of tone of the P.ipera in the first
instance, or why the P‘apers which were at first,
!elated were' afterwards granted. These were
'tes,Piel which would come - again under discus.
:I' i his motion should he agreed to. What he
i'dw, had to state, would have no reference to any
',in irii'lds but would be indiscriminately aresa.
• ;74)41 those who h,,d the good ofmi thenate Publiddc Ser.
'ice and thePrinei
Eton, of their Country. at heart. The
oal ' , • -
lad i paints upoti which he should
more 'milieu-,
ir Y dwell, were the ar,raparatitie meri tit of the pre-
ec't and of the late Board of Admiralty ; and to
far, "'non what ground ships, useles's as men or.
number
had heen plat into commission ; why a certain
Merchants
of slips had been built or ' repaired in the
anderch,ants' Yards preferably to the King's Yards;
tva wuieli of the, two places for building fillips of
„..,r were more useful to the Country. 12,11 e Pa.
r,," on their Lordships' '1 ble did not furnish. on
the ~e .
their,
all the infOrmation he eXpett-d ; theY
would, ,„,,,
lath „' ,-,ever; he .fo(nttl to contain enough to
mine.then, rl'e to aptioint a Commit tee to exit-
thiti'''''); ;IV to c dl for what more might h,e, re-,
mid ''' ille N,)ble Lord then. it ry poiritelly•ani-
..'
c., verced on the en irm:us ti ,rice alit building
hr'alr,epairing of ships ,i: war in the Merchants' yards
. tin,,volved ; it am mnteti.to somewhat flare that)
.. ,--r ton, and to „serfinn, he in.
prove this
.i.
..,.e,
dovo ,I,,in eapence attending building of the Hirt._ incurred' 3'‘' 111 e Mediator, all a which expence was
•th.,le:i an lain, for the Mediator was not long since
of the unfit for service. The same might be said
A biter
Ilindostan;to prove which the N dile Lord read
Perfenter fr"n CaPt-ivi Itraser, setting forth the im.
r,,,10b anti unserviceable *tate of that ship. , The
but
our indeed, of the ships of' war was encouraged,
mini `,"' sir d,
and the efFeet of it seemed to be di-
'"ed. Tw a Ithe
Pot tr„liel .
,( 0 hostile squadrons had already' 1 their, h
~' th.lllllte of our boasted vigilance, and one of
Intl 3" with impunity ravaged several of,our Weat
a /.1., ,
~
arid ''""n• The Noble Lord next adverted to
; had lamented.d., the', number of excellent lands that
sine, ?,coarged.theinselves from the King's Yards
the Plesent Admiralty was in po\vcr ;.-ifideecl
the/,,w.efe a nu ober stAficient to have completed all
tree% the raper; on
e been t niPs that 4 1. had promised, as appears
: one third opers on the Tabte, and would have saved
Rangy e 1 the money that had been so extrave.
Ist„hi. ixPeniled in the 'Merchanta' yards. The
' r.rt 1 . •
plieti, , t taststed very forcibly on the impro.
Pier, lin": the 'winner now adopted, of -mixing the
ateardirs 'e'dock•yards, instead of separating them
Ileit,t)i g to their talents and abilities, 'lf they were
doubleY cast according to their.respeltive talents,
do the wotk
In'. Inile !, ,might be performed that was. now
the Six, ~,,'" le had only to refer their Lordships to
fOrniatil,'o'‘oeport.
in.
of the Naval Comtiers for.
liners of , '' this material point, aid for nuniberless
NIL, t„s.ttention to the service, and of the me..r.
vney. ,i,„
14:44;
a"
11111Pr"i'lent expenditure of the Public
under the 'flat Report he should also wish to coma
tained
4"e tonSideration of a Committee ; for it Con.
reeltr,ll!elious Matter, and would excite at serious
Ten,ll4 Rd' earl' well have been awakened even by the
Was
uo14)". Indeed it would appear that there
th, check, no rfre6ual controul whatever over '
6 ...InefiditUrp 1 ~,,
• 'IS tv,.. i. -
-of mite Navy Board. 'The public
eapen„,", !lense incalculable. - The enormous sums
, ---ieti in -- .
Witte „ext 7 :rPairS, as exettplified in the Amethyst,
' • 4 Varlt.
014„"erted to by the Noble Lind, who read
ink ftletYh t passe
from the Na vat Report, hold.
extraordinary
~xpenec of the extent to' which the
-ent that „_1 'eat repairs was. tarried. It was evi.
vols Intidre moot minute and severe investigation
[: tru4ted o.y._ .!illed fi,r into these matters ; and , he
!Catotniutt‘_ ttuuse would nut delay in appointing.
4e did rp,,:e, to ptosectne that Irquiry. ,Although
altiteared 41 tr,r.,
"'nu to descend into 'any thing. that
ik 14Irii
oP 1ri3n0,..
nil a 1 A Ire taw not but. ad ve.r! to the
4r.ve beer, vs 1 r" and libellous scnrrilities that
• tilneent) tvint abroad against a Noble Earl (Si..
1,,a wars eve ° Presided at the late Admitalty Board.
414 r, n treated, by no mean authority, as the
tint a, arn, his et,
-
~ ' • 4,4,i1ci y, untry ever saw, But after what
'Pile litteh‘.'z'3l.l had achieved, he 'might well de.
lt
th IMPAent invettives ; but; if his services
et ..e Ati,,i
ki"regi noait'traitY were only -to be ootisidered, he
I itrotaif the
.rest
that the Nohle Earl might approve
allairt.l,7_4eat ftiend his country. ever-had, by
Rat P "hntelf the d
plait uultht hay . etertnined enemy tlf•the abases •
N her t undermined her best support, and
si.L very, hkr ntd agairsreYe exiatenee at stake. .1-le yetis in.
lik hetn found use he was the only man that
hatlLlndithe v El° tear asunder, with a rough sailor. .
canel I°°R furl: uilder which these inveterate abuses
tieelYtitt of „.ed• But he did not attempt to be the
14,,,'_,4114 his
4';',..e
„Nuhle Earl ; he called only for jug.
I„ti'_te Lord woli.vt'ea SpOke fur themselves. The
ei'te of 1, "'" nut now-trespass farther on the
'll this the
Howie sing, uday touches • The points on which he.
110 44 app0,,,,, t he had had on former occi.
, ~ ute al *'"ltY to speak
ilitle us' he st .more at large. The
neeese motile of the urgent and intlispen.
It/
u 1 incluiring into the abuses that

i!iitritade: all the departments of the Navy, The
capers on the Table- afforded Much matter; but lie
would add to them -the 6th Report of the
..Natial
Commisstonera. He had now only to move their
Lordships' that a Select Committee be appoiTed to
sake these Papers•into consideration, and to, report
their opinion thereupon -to the House.—Among
• other, the Noble Lord mentioned the following
Peers as Members ro forin the committee : His
Royal Htgimess the DUKE of Ct./saerice, the Mar.
quis of BUOKINCHAM, EarIiFOKTESCUE and TAN.
KERVILLR) Lords ROMNEY and KING, &C.
Lord MELVILLE. rose in reply to the Noble
Lord. The chief objeet of the Noble Lord's in.
quiry seemed to be the comparative merits of the
‘late and the Present Board of Admiralty, and the
charges of miscondal which might be fixed upon
the latter. He first accuses the Admiralty Board
of having. purchased a number of useless ships, ships
not at all a•Ppficable to the service of the Royal
Navy. • He also.accuses them of gross misconduCt,
in building and
,repairing. shiOe in the Merchants'
yards instead of the King's yards. The ,Noble
Lord likewiie complains that many of the Papers
he moved far had been withheld.. To all these
charges lie had listened with attention; and in,. the
first place he -had only to say, that he had ai.
rented to the produition of .rnost -of, the Papers
moved for. Those that, had been refused were
refused on the ground of their " nature, and of
the immense extent to which they would swell.—
One Paper alone would fill three large volumes,
and after consulting it, nothing to the our_
pose could he discovered in it, Indeed, the No.
ble Lord seemed to haVe. mistaken the object of
his Inquiry ; for in his very outset he tends to ,
nothing less than ,to pass a Vote of Censure on
every Board of Admiralty that has existed for these
twenty years pest ; and the Board, of which he so
loudly complains, has only followed the example
set to them by the most approved of their pre.
decessors. . He includes. the Sixth Report in the
Papers into which lie- would institute an inquiry,
and from all that he could observe, the Noble
Lord's Motion might as well have been made six
months ago as at present, for the Sixth Report.
has been on the Table Since the very beginning
of the Session; and ouw only it appears urgent to
the. Noble Lord to appoint Committee to in.
quire- into it. But to the charges against the pre.
sent B.)ard of .Adinitalty—they have bought up a
number of useless ships of a small kind ; they have
built and repaited 'ships of war in the Merchants'
Yards. The Noble Lard dried not forget that a
M own ha.-I been made respeaing the want of small
ships, arid the necessity-of immediately providing
them, es the fittest to counteract the attempts
of the t nemy at levasion, which at that time
seemed to he considered as very. serious and alarm.
ing. On this subjea he bestowed the earliest
attention; and he felt it his first duty to make an
immediate inquiry into the benefits to be derived
from such vessels, and how far they would be real.
ly serviceable under the then circumstances of the
country. He did het fiial they were many, anti it
appeared that they would be intlispensibly necessary,
Those, however, that ,had been contratted for,
vioukl not be ready till a distant period,_ too long to
.14 safely waited for ; it was therefore thought ex.
pedieot to Purchase some. The amount' in alt of
those purchased, built, and repaired, .was-no less
than 176 eeroels ; almost double the number fur:
airily employed in the North 'Seas. The es:pence
was about.3oo,oool. - The expence hedid not, and
never would regret, for in such a state of the Coun.
try no- mode of defence, was more necessary and in.
dispersible, and it seemed to be the sense of
_the
Country that—it should be employed. These
ships are now employed in the North Seas as
Convoys, -and they have the additional advan.
cage that they allow other ships; fitter for. harder
service, to be employed elsewhere where their pre.
sence is more dreamt!. Whether the conduct of
the Admiralty is praise or blameworthy, if was not
for him to judge ; but certain it is, that k was
adopted agreeable to the feelings of the Country,
and to the dangers that threatened it. If, biome
was imputahle-to him, it would appear from 'the
measures he adopted on first corning to preside at the
Board.• On entering upon that Depart.
ment.. he felt that his'first care' and duty was to exert
his best endeaveurs to restore the British Navy.—
He accordingly examioeti into all its branches, and
colleted .an accurate report to Made oo high of the
amount, the nature, and the strength of all the ships
in commission. He found from the- Report, that
there were then 81 ahips of the litie,• :7 of which
were for home service. Was that a state- of the
Navy such as.avai Called for by the alatining situa.
tion of the Country ?" That number Might be ade.•
quaze to the force of the Enemy, who were said to
have 70 ships of the lirtel 'nor, indeed, all ready
for sea, but which might soon be not much lac.
rior to them, as our ships- Most -be considerably
worn down aftei a hard service of ten years, when
their decay most be rapid. Under such circont.
stances, connected • with- the circumstances of the
Country, was a force of 81-ships of the line a force
any way adequate to support and maintain our na.
val superiority anti pre.etninence ? t With every en.
dievour to increase the number, it still, however,-
remained neatly the same after ten :menthe ; because
whitt was added was little more than what could he
a substitute fur rho-se which there was not time to
repair. This eitcumetance led me to further inquiry
into thitnost effettual means Of keeping up the Navy.
By that inquiry it appeared that on the teth of May.
180+, there were building only six ships of the
line, which were undertaken at different periods,
hot some, of which would not be ready till t896,0r
even z 867. It further appeared, that of those ships
which were to be ready in May t 84, the keels bad
not yet been laid down. Where the blame lay it
was not for him to say; he Only -stated the simple
tads, and the House would make their ownob.
nervations upon :them. Such Were the' resources
which he found upon coming into -the Admiralty,
and upon discovering their scantiness and inadeqeacy,
was not the Admiralty justified in looking out for
some other means, some 'more adequate resources ?
He was fully sensible that some other means must be
resorted to; he, therefore, a•tvised the building of
ships in the merchants' yards; and thuogh there was
great authority against him, yet he •was.,pot
dildcot as to be discouraged, and enticavoUred to

•
avail biaiself of tie Merefaants' piths He masse a.
survey of 64 ships., §. of theM were to be of the line,:
and so of other. different descriptions ; Many"; of
those were now coming forward. Indeed,-in order
to keep up, the _Fleet, at least ten, Seventy.fours
LaTioultl be built•yearly in the Merchants' yards.---
The Nuble Lord` acknowledges that such an- in.
crease is necessary to replace our loss and, decay of
ships, but how-eatild they be Wit in the King's
yards, since the five or six so long ordered have but
their keels yet laid down ? Indeed it .. was utterly
impossible to build and repair a stifficient number of
ships in the King's yards- only.- But the plan and
prole& upon which he bad .aded under these cit.,
cumstances of the Navy and of the Country arose
from no wild fancy Of his own. if he was in error,
he had only adopted the error of Lord Sandwich,
LorclKeppel, Lord Howe, Lord Spencer, Lord Chat..
ham, Sec; Indeed. such was not only the or:eion,
but the pradiee-cf every Board of Admiralty for ,a
number of }.ears'; and there could, oat be
-pointed
out a period- in our naval _history, when groat ex-
ertions were 'to be made, that:recourse was not had
to the merchants' yardseorewhieh, indeed, ;he great.
est reliance was often placed. This posititSti. the
'Noble 'Viscount confirmed, and illustrated by‘the
condu& of Lord Sandwich and his succesiters from
1 771 till 1794. In times of profound Pesee. it was
net necessary to have recourse to such taeans, and
accordingly -it appears that in years of Peace scarce.
ly any ships were built in the merchants' yards,
while in years of war, and when great exertions
were necessary, the number oiships built in the
merchants' anti in the Kiiig's yarde wots its The pro..
portion of r 7 to 5,, or about 3 +ths of all -the ships
of. war came from merchants' yards. Such was
the system aeteti upon 00111 1771 till I.3th junco goz,
when a prohibition was pus against it by-the Noble-
Earl who presided over the Admiralty.,,The Noble
,Viscount then reed a number of passages from a
passed upon this sUbjed correspondence which
rween the Nuhle Hod and .Sir A. S. ilattunol,and
proved from them that at one rime at leaeto'be had
even the -authority of the -Noble Errs it+ favour
of .his conduct, although the Noble Earl, after.
wards very suddenly changed his opinion tespeding
the employment of the .merchants' yards; lett the,
inconsistency of coodud -and. measures which at
that time prevailed at the Admiralty might have,
'arisen from the Noble Earl's indisposition, and
his consequent ,inability to attend ; but the Noble
Earl, would, tso -doubt, assign reasons for Isis very
,abrupt change of and cooduel, and for the
state in which the Navy was left, at sq doubt.
ful a period, and under totes eritical.eirettmstatices
of she Country. - For his part, he would content
himself with stating the simple fads, and he would
let them speak. for' themselves. Much had heen
said of the expdnet attending the building and
repairing of ships in the merchants!. yards. It the,
correspondence on that head be duly examined, it
Will be found that-every possible pains were taken
to being down that cape:lee, but they were inelfec.
ival, and no alternative remained hut either to forego
the service, or to comply -with the terms upon
which it could be performed. • Great stress had been
laid by the Noble Lord on the; ciretimstance. of the
Enemy's Fleets haVing got oat, and that one of
them had done much demage in the West Indies..---
Will those curnolain, of such events who cry down
the system tel blockades'? --Under various eircum.
Stances that sYstemmay be proper, more especially
while we are preparing means of defence at home ;
bat when once they are eempleted, the system -of
blockade is in vain adhered to. To make -it effic.
tual, you' must-discover the --ppwer vf 'Commanding
the wind's- and waves. A complete blockade is im.
possible ; and were it possible, it wouldi be on.
wise ; it cduld only wear out our-ships,. anal Sleepy
them in a manner not easy to- be repaired. • In order
to enjoy security at home, security must also be
granted to our distant 'rossessioes. Onamir Colonial
possessions we have much to-depend, and eve cannot
place them in a state of security 'without .a very
numerous and poWerful fleet. Thesewere the grounds
and motives upon which he aired, in makicg every
effort -to restore end serengthen the Navy. Na loa
than ; ts or 120 a4l) of the line would be found ade.,
()nate to preserve all •we had at stake. These we.
should be in posseision of, and not trust to any means-.
that may be etuploYed for eSeerteining the course
and destination of ate hostile fleece Whenever it heps
pens to get to sea. We must laeotliery where: eke.
pared toaneet and defeat them---without such Naval
strength we Fan never be great or- haoy nit sjtat
strength must ever depend our National greatness and
happiness.,The reports of the Surveyors of the Forests
had shewn that greatAcficienciestaisted with respeC:t
to the supply 'of timber .at home. This deficiency.
requited every exertion dust could • with- propriety,
be made to remedy it ; leut arising principally from
the extension of agrieulthre, which was the greatest
public benefit, could net be expeded that lands
would be planted with a View to the distant-profit-
of the timber, when much . more ample emoloment
was to be had from the immoderate produce of corn.
The Cemmissioners for cOosidering the best, means
of carrying into •tffra the reforros suggested by
the Reports of the Naval Inquiry, wets likely to do
much inure effectual service than any Committee or
their Lordships. • .

Earl ST. VINCENT maintained that it was
poseihle to build ten ships of the line every year in
the King's dock-yards' besides performing the no.
cessdry repairs of the Navy. With rasped to the
necessity of canimunication between the First Lord
oldie Admiralty and the Comptroller of the Navy,
he had to observe, that that Officer was subject ro
no responsibility. It, had been said that he might
have dismissed the Comptroller of the Navy ; it he,
could, he would have thought it improper, para.
Ciliatly as he was sure
.such inatter would Ceille out
on the Reports as would render it necessary to di,.
miss him. He called for the Committee, and,
thought great inktstice would be done to'hirn if it
should not be gone into. As to what applied per.
sonally to himself he hatl,'too great It contempt for
it to give it any notice.
II;s Royal Highness the DL XE of CLARENCE
way satisfied from his eadie3l -acquaintance with the
naval service, that the greatest abuses'prevailed in
-the - doek.'yaids. Cif goo° Shipwrghts, which
was the whota number inane kingdom, half was in
the King's yards. In the Nterchanis* yards forty
men could build, a 74.g0n ship in 312 days. It

r: *jut Owing to *Atli t iirepeit reinfitiurts' that yrb:,
portionatedispatch was not Used in the-King'i yards:„
The deficiency of timber had been complained !:rf
ever since 1785. His -Royal Highness even went
through the history
_of the Naval ConistruCtionit
since the Administration of Lord Sintiwich; he
provetrof the condikt of Earl Si. Vincent in every
part; particularly in his exertions for Reforrti. He
would vote for the Committee.

Lord S/DMOUTH said, he had heard nothink
to induce him to alter the opinion with which ha
had entered the House, that there seercmpo grounds
for going into this Committee, and that no, good
.could result from it. He-did not think it necessary
to the justification of his Noble Friend..(Eerl St.
Vincent), nor that of the Noble Lord (Melville) ;
even: though there ware diffetenvopinions as tt
the systems of both, this difference was not made
the matter of any charge against either.- His No.
ble Friend; when, with a view to reform abases, he
visited the Dock Yards in Igtee, reterned with a
determination that large •additions shoold be nude.,
to the Navy ; 7and that more Shipwrights should be
employed, and' that they should he better classed..
It was intended that additional Ships should be built
at once in the King's Yards, and in the Merehanti"
Tads; but as this would keep up the monopoly of
timber, his Noble Friend 'proposed for that rime
building in the King's Yardts only. His- Noble
Friend at the same time applied . to the East Indie,
Company, who agreed to desist for two, years from
building large Ships for their Trade. He mentioned
this to show the exertions of his Noble Friend in
these pointa. His Noble Friend deserved credit,
but more for his other services ihart for his eff'orts
to reform. Abuses. He thought a good u:.derstatid.
ing at !cart ought ,to subsiit between
,the First *lb
Lord of the Admiralty and the comptroller of the
Navy, and that frequent communicetions shoidd
take' place between them. He lamented that this
•had nut been the case in the Noble 'Lord's Ad.
ministration. It we's the disposition of she
at ,the head of the Geeernmenr, and all his Cal.
leagues, to ati..pt every possible rrisiesote4 reform.
lieschintglit it shatild; be,lefi to the el)minissi,m;rs
appointed for that purpose to suggest what reftirins
could .be adopted on the tnatterof this as vvell
the other Reports.
LordIIC.eLL,AND remarked, that the Noble Lqrd
who spoke last -gave fair words without giving his
vote for going. into it Committee which would prove
these words. The return of the Noble 10 •
Otfie'"e may have, in some degret, removed the cell..
sure which attended' his rem 'viii from Offis:e. The
Noble Lard who presided over the Naval DepArt.,"
meet of that Administratien could rem4tie any
share of that censure that may have:attached to him
only by this Committee. He saw no change' of
system in the Admiralty, for the blockading system
was c7intintied, unless,' indeed, it was the catamaran
system. The very- doubt of whether it was better
'to build in the King's or in the • Merchants'.
was a reason for going into the Ccitninittee. it was
besides a fact, that-a Tender from the Merchants
for building 7-f gun Ships!et 261. per Tort in three
years, had bean .rejected in a 863, anti- the N.,t):10
Lord (?Melville) bad comrade(' rot such Ships in
28°S, at. 361. a tong difference was another
reason for 'going into a Committee. The 'Noble
Lord had entered into Office with great prounis:s,
end lie w-nt out of Office with promisee He
promised that it a year we woold have a, Fleet to
meet the Enemy in the East- and in the West, and
in every quarter. When the mtiney promised by ,
the Noble Lord to the Public, from the 'Fonds of
the East India Campany, should be paid into the
Exchequer, he would exped to see t:lis promised
Fleet.. At.ptebent, we:had reason to tear in the
East and the West, 'and at home ;. and lie latnente.4y •
that the ill.advised War with Spain added 3U ro'ndt
to our embarrassment. •
Lord HAWKESBURY said, .the observations 0f
fair words, ed snot a vote, would. ',apply much
better to the condad of they other aide of the,H.,usu
relative to the Noble Vincen't).
idered it 'flitter of dvitci.try to the
Interest CO go routs tt (A' nn,li;tate on sonioy.,rhont
11.4ttlif. What would arpear- itt'such Comanitee.
mils( be knowdnot only to the Public here, . btit to.
our Enemies also,
built- thought :as
Yard,
lnd4
litiS Supt
5t
in
Fnsssibl,e:should ire
time of war it: was necessary to build. in-the Met.. .
Chums' Yards also. •

The'Earl of BUCKINGI-13111SHIRE was sa's
tisfietl chat no part of WI Noble Friend's (L,..)rd
.Vincent's) conoat liernaptied inquiry, ea wanted
josrification, It there. was a mull Force in the
Leeward Islands, it Was beCallie the Enemy had nu
Force• there at that ; where their Force was,
our's was also.

• 7',6e Earl of SUFFOLK argued at length in sup.
pot t '4,t: the &lotion. He dropped some vbser via t ions
on thepppointment of a relation of the Noble Ln-ti
(tVielville) to a. Nava) COniruaild, and tlic proceed.
Ingo with respeet to the Rochefort Squadron. These
things, he .said, had reached him only by report,
and he did nut give.,cretlit to them.
Lard MELVILLE said, he could not vote fir the
Motion without a breach of public duty. With re.
Bard to sending out a Fleet to follow the Rochefort
Squadron, there was .no delay whatever on the pari
of theCovernnient of this Country. Ortipoints of
this nature their Lordships . must. be aware that he
could nut enter upon a detail without giving hn.
proper information ; but he was glad that this par.
multir and specific point was capable of being stated
without public inconvenience. " There are near me
(said his Lordship). those who know the instructions
under which the Channel Feet we
Enemy's Fleet should sail from It
other Port, the in hi tU,...08S to OtO

id to that objet. These inetrutlioa
tirnc in sending a detachment After
struetions were not late inst rudions
so f.ir beck as the month of August
fort Squadron sailed Ix day ti befoire
any 4ti41144ii in the Channel Fleet.
after it was the first 6,1144
next morning I sent the ovdrit, wt
illation, 0.-a detwthrnent of our flee,
and it did follow them to the Welt lutlictvlittvni
therefore there was no delay on my pa..t--.and'the
Noble &al must forgive mei if I tell him he should
speak nut much [title plainly, or insinuate much
lass.—Agasitat the former I. can meet hius agairsi,

:re to ad. If the
LoclielettsoriVio:,
Fleet we
osai wert,„A
thew. ttif e;j:
„
theY ki*
List. 4.,
it w,
.1
4y 71
1, heard Alt,*
titout
et to follow tbern,

the latter net man'ean. I have given him distinet
t,toni of the inaecuracy tit the rumour he-ailuded to;
and as he-heard these rumours withnut any thing
tit cnnvioce his understanding of their truth,' he
-should., nut Imre- given them the. sant-lion .'f his
nione by "rpeating Elwin. Does he think.that under
such surmises its these /he .is entitled to sotter his
poisni.ed ;Arrows• it his will ? Let him learn t lesson'
fro;n this event, not tatleal too hastily in rutri9ur to
the prejudicl of the reputation of a Minister ,vitro has
great and arduous duties to.perfnim. It is not be.
coming in ,fat Noble Earl,.tior suitable to the noble
bloG.i which runs' in his veins, to circulate under the
tiatipion of his name, iniutioUg rumours' `without
ionntlation, whtn they may be' industriously ',sopa.,
et.,lird 1 v malevolent .men where I have Opportu.
pity of refuting-. them.".
lie Earl of So Fio Lic explained, that lie had not
said he believed the rumour at the time he stated it.
Ibe Lart,of D RiY4 .EY replied to the difilient
tollrelions stated to his Motion, and recapitulated his
former argudients, which, he contended, had not hc:t n
:.c.“ Arty touted :•but the point on which he
hod the greatest stress was this—then at) the Noble
hadiately been at the head of the Ad.
midi(); (Earl Sr. Vincent), had been stated in ano.
tier ttouse of Parliament to be. an Enemy to his
• Country, he was put,- as it were, upon his trial, and
this Motion ought to be agreed in for the purpose of
affording to that Noble Earl, tin opportunity of ex.
.xlimiot! the whole of his conduel.
The House divided :
,For the Motion—Contents 33
.Against,it— Non Contents ;. .83
'Majority. •
A: half past , !fnuse Adjout ncd.

HOUSE OF C,, ~"r''''

FRIDAY, MAY 24.

Colonel Wool? gave notice, th,st en friday next
be should movr, that there be laid before the }louse
a Copy of the Proceedings of 'the Court Mitnial on
Sir lohn Duckworth.. •
Mt. Tr ettnylnoetd, that • the 'Committee on
the:S.,aib London WaterWoils )3,111 do :lc ag,irin
on Wednesday next, and proceed ,with the bill.
The ground of his Motion was, •that the Coinruit.
tee llati adjourned tor•sutth a time as 'would render it
impossible to have the' Bill 7reporied' this-Session,
by.v.thich a Bill: that had received the santtion of
the fionAet :gig far•as it had gone, would be Itis.t.
Mr; fth/V.Ab did nut • think' it Consistent with
usual form of .proceeding for any Member to
move tor the revival of at •Coturnitteer that had ad.
)(maned fir a certain tune.
The SPLAKfIt informed the 'Hon. Mernber, "that
, „
.11 Was C01401111A1)1C to •the practice of tile' noose,
,iilicneyer any Committee to which it might have
rifirortl iny•Bill for consideration, took any pro.
oeetling4 that,wciuld have the effeet'of disappointing,
the wishes of the 'loose, to dicta that such Cutn.
mit tee prbCCed with the Bill, and report aye
or no upon it. The Motion was then agreed to.
SHAW briakgilt- LIO the Report of the commit:
tee,on the retition of the Dublin Bakers, and cb.
rained leave to'trring' in "a Bill to amend the Ads
for regulating.the Baking Trade in Dublin.
On the tVlotionof Sir jot! i4I4Ii*PORT,. the Ac.
count of the Expences of the Criminal Prosecutions
in Ireland, ordered on the Ist of April, was order.
od to he presented. forthwith.
On the Motion of the SiCkETARy at.WArt, the

House proceeded to a 114110 fora Committee On ele
Eleventh *Report ; kind a Committee wait aftemards
appointed to examine, and reprint on tvludt
/Twenty.
one'Members the Ballot had talttn.
Huh : bt“ngitt tip the Post ilorse Duty
Fanning read a first time, to be read' second
time On Monday.
The Public Accounts AuditoW hilt ivis`iead a
eiecond time ; lti be vommitted tin Montlay.
On the ivtotion of Mr. RO4E, the itow.e went

into A Committee 'en 'the Free 'Ports Atii, and
rcßed•the Chairman to move for leave to 'bring in a
Bill to eonitotidate and amend satd Ana; anti to
allow the Importation and .F.`4q;ortationiof -certain
Poo& and ,tvietchandizes into, and 'from certain
Ports in the West Indies. On thellutite being te.
sunlit'', leave was'gistim act!crdrngly. 1.
A new Writ vrati Catlett-3, on- the Minion of Mr.
CALCRAFT,I'Or, the I..inrough of is,Tewro iwn, in
Ittoptnit, in the tooin' of Cit.N F !+I AN,
wit-01141d accrpted the Stewardshtp
Chiltern Htinttreth.
Thd AtIORNALY gave notice, !lie! on,
•
Monday next, he stmuld moire for'leavd"to bring it,:
a 'Bill to attend the Ati for facilitating the Arre.t
of Offndets escaping !vim' one part CI The Unittd
Kingdom to another.
Mr. Fosrari gaie notice; that Tie 'should on
Monday move for leave bring in a 'fill
ruin ling Conamhsioners ef inquiry in Ireland.
• WO() of;t:lsi MA N Cif A CTIIR E RS.
Mr. llitooxs, I,orstiant to tiotico, ed Tote !tote
to bring in exotain anti amoral the heirir;:i
Aas relating to the Manulatturo, The
Bill for susytsnding the l'eo.,lties'inipuseti by scVcral
rat the Statsties wntrtol expira in. July,- an.i tberefote
5t %Arai access:try to provide iotne'Legi4iitive means'
ot averting the injurious rTerition of 'Si-att.rtti, as
ahost oftlititi became obinlete and ittelesii:. '
Admiral 111 IttiLIEY %VAS' sorry tltc 1-I'cntia'ra'hia
Member had brought 'forwaid this ineat:ore,
cause, withoutproducitig any y,octl efred.ft
elltAil ari heavy expence on tile I*.atit:t. He .sltoind
not objed twits progre,s till it shoul4 be printcd;-
Ind ha was convinced that thexgotid.4er,au 4 the
tiouge would not entzrtain He to,,k this op'.
pocutiil to give notice of his int,....ntion to oritive
inn- leave, to bring iryt Bill for cnntinaliz Alietios7
renciing- Act for a time to be limited.
After a few vv,o-ds froin Mr. BRoota, was'
given to bring in the lA,
A Message from tl.t: Lords informed the House.,
that their I,ortiships had agreed to the Land Tax
Conitai,siorters' Bill without any Amendments, and
• aka tii4E tltsir Lordships' detitted bt informed
Horn i.vliat grounds the Commons desired the Lords
; -"on to It .Viticor to attend
to give 'pettn,ssr .
the Cummittee to which the 'Pal ers rdatii,g to tile,
1,P1;,;,, 4 Of the ltotirocy and Sensible; while under
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