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EAST INDIA CHARTER BILL.

Mr. BERNAL brought up the report of the Committee
on the East I❑dia Charter Bill.

The report was read a first time. On the motion that
it be read a second time.

Mr. WILBRAHAM, after a few observations, which
were too indistinctly heard in the gallery to be reported,
moved a clause, prohibiting the exclusive manufacture of
salt by the Government of India.
Mr. EWART seconded it.

Mr. BUCKINGHAM said, the great misfortune of the
present system was, that the wretched inhabitants of India
must either go without even very bad salt, or be subjected
to all the crimes and horrors of smuggling.
Mr. HUME thought that the monopoly in salt and
opium ought to be completely done away with.
Mr. CHARLES GRANT said, the who'e subject re-
solved itself into a question of time. Tne revenue raised
by tlivs, means was very considerable, but a better system
should and would be constantly aimed at. There had for
years been a growing opinion both in the Home and the
Native Government, that the tax on salt and opium ought
to be removed ; and no one more heartily agreed in it than
lie did. At the same time, to effect the change safely and
advantageously, they must be most circumspect and pru-
dent in all their proceedings. He trusted the House
would be satisfied with this assurance, and that the Hon.
Member for Cheshire would withdraw his motion.

Lord SANDON had long been convinced of the many
advantages which would accrue from an alteration in the
present system, which only tended to encourage smuggling
and sub•monopolies.
Mr. C. FERGUSSON said the people of India would
have such insuperable objections to a change of the tax,
that it would probably hinder it from ever being effected.
The local Government was disposed to do every thing in
its power ; but the people of this country must see how
many difficulties it had to contend with.
. .

It was understood that Mr. NVxLiman Am consented
not to press his mo!ion.

The Clerk then proceeded to read to the House the
amendments proposed and agreed to in Committee. On
arriving at the clause authorizing the establishment of
two new sees,

Mr. HUME rose and expressed his intention of opposing
it, on the third reading, and dividing the House upon it.
When the clause respecting Haylebury College was read,
Mr. CHARLES BULLER said it was the general
opinion out of doors that the Government would have
seized the first opportunity of doing away with this esta-
blishment. lie should move that the time of the student's
residence should be reduced from two years to one.
Mr. WYNN thought the students ought not to be
restricted to any particular terms of years; but ought to
leave the College for India, according to their proficiency.
Mr. C. GRANT upon the whole, thought it would be
better if the Act did not specify any particular time, but
that it should be left to the Board of Control.

Mr. C. FERGUSSON said, if the question of the
total abolition of the College should be raised he should
certainly vote for it. No part of the education of a
young man intended for India could be better conducted
at Haylebuty than in other parts of England ; and there
were establishments in London as efficient for preparing
young men for the E ist as this► which was kept up at so
great an expense. . _

Mr. HUNIE thought it preposterous that the inhabi-
tants of India should not only be compelled to pay for the
government of their country by foreigners, but for the
education of young Englishmen to he sent over to govern
them. If the establishment were kept up at all, it ought
to be made to pay its own expenses.
The amended clause was then agreed to.-A new
clause was agreed to, giving the courts of justice in India,
the power of appointing advocates, attorneys, &c., without
any license.
A new clause was also agreed to, obliging the Com-
pany, within 14 days after the Ist day of May in each
year, to lay before Parliament an account of the annual
produce of the rev nue arisin; from the territory of India;
distinguishing the respective particulars. Also an account
of their annual disbursements, distinguishing particularly;
also the amount of debt, and the different rates of interest
upon it in England or elsewhere, according to the latest
advices ; also an account of the several establishments sup-
ported by the Company, with the salaries of those em-
ployed, and particularising any new offices which may have
been instituted, or any increased salaries which may have
been granted; so as to give a distinct view of the affairs of
the said Company.
After a few observations from Mr. WARBURTON,
the clause was agreed to.
Mr. HUME moved a proviso—that two years' notice
should be required to make any alteration in the Charter.
—Agreed to.
Sir R. PEEL contended that there ought to be an ex-
press clause enabling the Governor-General to perform his
legislative and executive functions without the presence of
a Member of the Supreme Council.
Mr. 11. GRANT contended that the Governer-General
and Supreme Council had the power of delegating military
or diplomatic power to a subject, a fortiori they might do
so to the Governor-General.

After a protracted conversation between Sir R. Peel,
Mr. C. Grant, Sir R. Inglis, Mr. Macaulay, Mr. Wynn,
Mr. Wilks, and Col. Evans,
Mr. R. GRANT agreed that the suggestion should be
taken into consideration on the third reading of the Bill.
The report was then agreed to.
Mr. SHEIL deferred until after the third reading,
when lie would move by way of rider, his clause, "declar-
ing all forms of Christian worship to be equally entitled
to the protection of the State, and to provide for the main-
tenance of churches dissenting from the Protestant Epis-
copal Church."
It was then ordered that the Bill be read a third time
on Friday.
JEWISH CIVIL DISABILITIES BILL.

After some conversation as to the expediency of bringing
on the question at that hour of the night (eleven o'clock),
when several Hon. Members bad gone away on the suppo-
sition that it would be postponed,
_ _ _

Mr. R. GRANT moved that the Jewish Civil Disabi-
lities Bill be read a third time.

Mr. FINCH opposed the measure. The Jews, like all
other strangers, were entitled to be domiciled in the
country, but not to form a part of the State. Those who
wished for the maintenance of the Christian establish.
meat, ought to set their faces against this Bill. It would
tend to sap the foundations of our social system.
Mr. C. BRUCE also opposed the Bill; but his propo-
sition rested on higher than practical grounds. The ques-
tion in his opinion was not whether half a dozen Jews
were to be allowed to sit in that House, but whether that
House was to remain a Christian Legislature. He consi-
dered the stability of the Christian establishment in this
country involved in the fate of the Bill under conside-
ration. Was there any fitness, propriety, or decency in
calling upon those who were bound to oppose our religion
to legislate for our Church ? Were the Jews his Majes-
ty's subjects? He had never heard it asserted that a
Russian, a Spaniard, or a Frenchman, who had resided
many years in this country, was entitled to more than
protection, and why was a Jew to he entitled to more ?
He could not consent to be accessary to drawing down
upon the country that certain chastisement which the
adoption of this measure would occasion. He disclaimed
all dislike and hostility to the Jews. God forbid that he
should wish to increase the sufferings of those whom God
had blasted with his displeasure. There was no feeling
in favour of the measure out of the House. The only
pledge which he was asked to give on his canvass was, that
be would oppose this Bill.
Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON remarked that he
had presented a petition from Devonport, signed most
numerously by Christians of every denomination, in favour
of the Jewish claims. He mentioned this fact simply as
a practical contradiction to observations which had been
made.
Mr. SHEIL said the arguments employed against the
Catholics were much. stronger than those that could be
possibly brought against the Jews. There was no danger
in this case. The Catholics had millions to sustain them
—the Jews could only rest on the magnanimity and gene-
rosity of that House.
Mr. CUTLAR FERGUSSON said the principles
avowed in the repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts,

and the removal of the Catholic Disabilities, would be
wholly incomplete if the present relief were not granted.
Sir C. BURRELL would vote against the third reading.
Mr. BUCKINGHAM said it had been asserted that
the Jew was an exclusive creature, devoid of patriotism,
attached to no country but that of the promised land. He
would state from experience, that no English Jew ever
visited Palestine, and those that were there escaped as
soon as ever they could.
Lord SANDON did not consider the opposition to this
measure a candid one. The only real grounds could be
from principle or danger ; and he must say he saw no de-
parture from the one, and no chance of the other.
Sir R. INGLIS moved that the Bill be read a third
time that day six months.
Mr. A. JOHNSTONE and Mr. J. MAXWELL opposed
the Bill.

Mr. R. GRANT repliid, and contended, that every
burden, every restraint, and every disability on account of
religion, was not only oppression, but persecution. His
religion did not require, when it was necessary to relieve
a fellow-creature, that he should examine what was his
race, his creed, or his family. Like the good Samaritan,
he felt himself bound to extend his charity to all. The
measure which he had brought forward was founded on
the great principle of " glory to God and good.will to
man."

The House then divided, when the numbers were-
-189

Ayes
Noes
Majority —l37

The Bill was then read a third time and pa•eed.
SCOTCH AND IRISH VAGRANT BILL.

On the motion for going into Committee on this Bill,

Mr. JOHN MAXWELL regretted that a measure of
this kind should have been brought forward at to late an
hour. He trusted that the Hon. Member for Berkshire
would withdraw the Bill.

Mr. PALMER did not feel that he should be justified
in withdrawing the Bill, as he did not consider that he
wai likely to hive any more favourable opportunity for
bringing it forward.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL had examined the Bill,
and he thought it a safe measure, as it did not mike any
change in the law, hut only altered the method of carrying
the power alresdy existing into effect.
Mr. O'DWYER thought the Bill ought not to be
passed at so advanced a period of the session, and in the
absence of the greater part of the Irish Members.
An HoN. MEMBER said, that the Irish labourers were
such economists, that they not only transported their
wages to Ireland, but contrived to get their persons also
transported at the expense of the English people.

After a few observations from Colonel I'ERCEVAL and
Mr. AGLIONBT, the House resolved itself into a Com-
mittee.

The various clauses of the Bill underwent considerable
discussion. On the 4th clause,

Mr. O'DWYER moved as an amendment the following
provision :—" Provided always, that for all persons re-
moved by sea there shall be provided a commodious space
below decks for their nee, and that there shall be found a
sufficient allowance of wholesome diet, to be regulated by
the Justices at Quarter Sessions, for the support of each
person so removable."
Oa this amendment the Committee divided :
For the Amendment
Against it
Majority .•46
The other clauses were then agreed to, and the House
having been resumed, the report was ordered to be re-
ceived this day.
Adjourned at a quarter to three o'clock this morning.

,RITY
tent to the Scottish and Irish
is Bill.