The Sun.
London, England, 1833-10-21 00:00:00

OLD BAILEY.-(THIS DAY.)

OLD COURT.
bad Thomasla en) tC°O.n.
morning. On Mr. Baron Vaughan and Mr. Serge°
Arabia taking their seats, the trial was proceeded in., the
Savory,bail,su rtrheenderedto silversmith
taikneChoirsnthriialli wthid:
The defendant was permitted to sit in the body °'
Court.
The indictment charged that the defendant, on the 2vcit,
August last, in the p irish of St. Peter, Cornhill, nniasi%
fully exposed for sale certain wrought plate ; to wititer,
silver spoons, on each of which was a forged and COunt-to
frit mark, such as was required by Act of Portion° e
he put on wrought plate, viz., a leopard's head, he re
ing such mark to be forged and counterfeit. There
other counts charging the defendant with actually se to
plate with those forged marks on it, he knowing they'
be forged.
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Mr. ALLEY, with whom was Mr. Plums's, stnt-sjo •
c Ise far the prosecution. Sir JAMES SCARLETT an".
Sergea ANDREWS conducted the defence.
Thews witnesses on both sides were ordered out of • Lott
except those to defendant's character.
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Mr, Wm. Cocks deposed that he was Prime I',oe
of the Goldsmiths' Company. In consequence of s° t 6
thing he heard, he went on Wednesday, the 21st A 05,1,
to Mr. Savory's shop, in Cornhill, and asked for sits
spoons, stating he wished to buy six plain tea srintos
They were supplied to bin), and he now produced t
He thought the marks on them were forged, and ael‘'j
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see some more spoons, and if there were spoons of anon
pattern, higher in price, but of the same quality. 0
sbopman said he had none then, but should have so° to
the afternoon. There were three shopmen, and theYcl ro
served bins looking at the marks. He asked if the Or
were proper ones, and he observed something P39s
tween two of the shopmen. ty
Sir J. SCAItLETT objected to what was said vibe°
defendant was not present, but the objection wile 0
press, d.
Witness—The sbopman said the spoons were all not,
at their manufactory, and directed his attention to a bolAid,
" Myrtle-street, Baton," as their manufactory, atl,
that if the masks were not put on at Goldsmiths' Phet
they were subject to a penalty of 50/. on every as ticletrot
sold without the regular marks. Witness paid 2/. for
six spoons.
Cross-examined by Sir JAMES SCARLETT....";O
was not in any way connected with the trade. A coi.
named Treen was then under suspicion, but not in ot
tody. The defendant and Treen were suspected at to
same time. Witness could not recollect wbetlserpi
knew Treen bad been working for the defendant jee
not know the defendant personally, nor did he ask t°Jiit
him. He sent Mr. Prideaux after the defendant to 0,
Gower-street, and Mr. Prideaux brought back six seir
Witness did not direct Mr. Prideaux then to tnakedtt
quiries about Treen. When the search-warrant Wa°
to the defendant's shop, a quantity of plate was brti
to the Hall. The clerk of the Company could tell bit
much was returned, and how much kept. Was Devigrfht
defendant's shop after making the purchase.
plate was here examined—it was found marked "W'

as being the initials of the maker.)
Mr. John Smith, engraver to the Goldsmiths' Cfeal
pany, looked at the six spoons purchased by last Wit 10
and said the marks on them were all forged, vier_.,
" variable" letter S, the initials, the King's head, lee rOO
head, and lion rampant and passant. The letter S dejA(
the manufacture to be of the present year, and that P',/
came into use May 29th ; W. T. denoted the initial°
the maker. 001,
Cross-examined—Has been engraver to the C0,,,0,
ever since 1807. The Company could impose stalerifil
their own on silver, and it ought to be stamped at 1100
own Hall. All the stamps were put on at the same t:0
Witness was not in the habit of attending when
were put on. The person sending plate to be at°,si
put it in a bag with a ticket, containing the quantiti.±oo(
the duty was Is. 6,1. an ounce. Did not iioo
that 3d. an ounce was allowed as discount. °top
went to defendant's shop to search, on the 24th floti
Mr. Fuller and Mr. Miles went with witness. Mr.
was the assayer. Forrester, the officer, was with t":ralp,,,
Went there between eleven and twelve o'clock.
Savory was asked for, but he was out. o°i,
the clerks asked leave to write a letter to they;
tendant. Did not see the letter after it was Wr4ol.
They remained at defendant's shop about an bouflosi
took away the whole of the plate in the shop I°`
considering whether it was forged or not. After' 00°
there was another search ; but at the one wittie°
present at, 655 ounces were taken away. Witness bd
not present at the first search, but Mr. Miles Wil*,-01
he brought away but a small quantity, but he could °co
tell how much by weigh,. Of the 655 ounces, wit:o
returned all but sixteen ounces and nine dwts. It.tbO
witness four or five hours to examine the plate
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glass. The marks were coveted with polishing °,,tr,
which was used to clean it. Did not recollect ""ej,
Miles or somebody else saying it was all fii
or that he replied, Oh ! you know nothing about,
Could not call to his mind any difference of opini°_,,"
the subject; the whole 655 ounces were examined oia
nutdy ; some portions of the marks were well dooetob.
others but indifferently so. A silversmith would 115
to detect them, but the public could be deceived.
On the application of Sir JAMES SCARLETT, °else
fondant was permitted to sit beside his Counsel, Mr'
rice PARKE observing that from the intricacy of the n,
thought the defendant ought to be allowed that privaloOli
Mr. George Miles stated that he was assay-lot 0'
Goldsmiths' Hall; he accompinied the officers, C01'.",,A
Forrester, to the defendant's shop, on the 23d .14'Aerr
with a search warrant ; they seized about 27 o°°l,oo
plate, which he now produced ; there were four tea'";
and six butter ladles, the weight of which was 16 oil ~10,
of
he found the 16 ounces out of the 27 impressed
forged marks ; the remaining part of the 27 oUDI
genuine marks ; on the next day, he went with Mr. 40
and Mr. Richards to the defendant's shop again,
left Richards and Smith there. far,
Cross-examined-0u the 23d they went betWee-ori
and five o'clock. There were four young men in tbe4
They did not ask for the defendant, but they aedetall,
he was at Hastings. One of the young men
letter to him, which the officer (Mr. Cope) saw at'
Did not examine the plate in the shop, because tbf:4,
was small and customers were coming in, and there /11°
proposed to have all the plate taken to the Hall. 41101
looked at a small portion in the shop, and the raar'4lo,
cleaned out by one of the shopmen. Was there
day, about an hour. As assay master, it was v 0
business to see that the quality of the plate was ae. ci
to law, before it was allowed to be stamped. It fi.00,0
his duty to examine the marks. Had no recoiled:oo4
having made a mistake in the quality. By the defedwy
book now produced, in which was an item airiastl
witness, he took away on the the 23d of AY% lA'
variety of articles, which he enumerated, maki°,
ounces. He took them away, suspecting the oort
voil
to be forged. He, however, now only prow Oro
portion of them, which he found to be forged. to ,f
altogether twenty articles, but only found teal;
forged. When at the shop, he expressed a doubt ,111:6
they were all forged or not. He did not then o°o,ol,
T plate in the shop, because there was so large agbotel;
and he left the shop in charge of Mr. Cope. attljl
tides he found to be genuine he had not yet rettor rpf
they were at the Hall. Did not remember at eft de I
any inquiry for Treen's plate. He saw 1,00,10
Treen's, which had W. T. on them. On the ,ciori
Aug., they went to the shop between 9 and 10 oil re
the morning, taking Mr. Smith, the engraver,Ote
A proposal was then made by the shopmen to toooly
plate to another shop to be examined, but on taroolf
that shop it was declined, and they determilleatho
pt
the plate to the Hall. The spoons were, in fact, icery
things that witness suspected, but that was not 00.1"001
of anything about Treen. It was the practice to PoilTs
quite ibtiroo
plate to have it tried and stamped before
for at times the stamping put it railer 09; ° 4'
The money for the duty is paid by the worlieletto
brings in bag the plate and the amount of 0'0:of
The bag was never sealed. A person might the i'f°
bags at the same time, one containing large and gin lotte
small spoons. If a man sent two hags of the fici be 00
work, it would not be received ; but he tvoo'
pelted to put them into one bag. A separate„ Ad"
allowed for separate woik • but if it be a larg',e,o°4
of plate it might be in different bags, proyide9 tbf
but one note with one weight! jt was 'then e°°;olo°
one parcel. The defendant was not in town, he frif
searches were made, but on the letter being oaf folio°
voluntarily before the Lord Mayor. Witrle'll,t% 04,11
stamped plate for four years, but not wit"ltoPtiooHS;
fifteen years. It sometimes happened that ill,' too°, orm
was stamped too light, but it never was rnarke"suipeofi,ir
Had known instances of plate too lightly "To I°llll
being sent back to be stronger marked. u.
of each workman were kept in a b°,.°, a e
.40 ct
plate was brought to be stamped it -60arnak
in a book. An abatement of 3d. per was brk
wmiatd in h
he
thet
plate,
diatuetpy whens;oitthwatasthillea(mleon
ey the
paid bag. 9
was
ounce. Doh Os

Re.examined—On the larger articles, V 3:.
rays 04 tea-Rote, he found no forged War*

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