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and, on the contrary, furnishes a pretext for the
expression of a satisfaction which it is impos-
.ible to feel ; but, situated as M. D'APPONY
was, being compelled 'to choose between an
open rupture with the Government by refusing
to deliver the customary speech, and the possi-
bility of compromising his Government by ex-
pressions in favour of the constitutional system in
France, the speech which he delivered could not
have been better devised if it had been com-
posed by METTERNICII himself.
The funds have risen in both countries, on
this piece of diplomatic cajolery ; but the Stuck
Exchange is a poor political barometer, and
woe to him who places faith in its fluctua-
tions. FRANCIS MOORE is not more fal-
lible than the wiseacres of the Stock Exchange.
For the funds to rise 2 per Cent. on M, D'An-
PONY'S speech, is not more reasonable than for
men to attach importance to the astrological
computations of Mr. M ooRE. There is, how-
ever, a better ground for the high quotation of
the public funds. Men of reflecting minds see in
the firmness of the British and French Govern-
ments, a guarantee for the duration of peace.
['hey know that whatever Russia may wish, and
Austria devise, must be without effect so long
as France and England show a determination to
maintain the preponderance which constitutional
Governments, when well managed, must ever
have over despotic states. As Russia, Austria,
and Prussia gave way before Earl GREY, when
the triumph of Reform enabled him to hold a
high and dignified tone, so must the firmness of
Lord GREY and Marshal SOULT, in the pre-
sent state of Europe, produce a result in favour
of peace. Russia and Austria dare not provoke
Great Britain and France, whilst they are united
and firm. They may show their teeth indeed,
hut they dare not bite.

The returns for the Quarter's Revenue, ending
this day, will not be made up until very late
this evening, or early to-morrow morning. At
the present moment, however, they show a de-
ficiency of about a quarter of a million on the
quarter, and a surplus of about half a million on
the

rear.

We have often had occasion to lament the
existence of embarrassments or evils which
have arisen out of departures from principle.
The establishment of a system by which a
subsistence is insured to the idle, the im-
provident, and the vicious, at the expense
of the industrious and provident, is now,
in spite of the cant of the seeming hu-
manity of the Sadler school, 'pretty generally
acknowledged to be one of the grossest viola-
tions of principle, which the ignorance of men
ever caused them to fall into. Like all such,
however, it is beginning to work its own cure ;
the dreadful evils with which' it threatens
us are beginning- to be seen, and the ne-
cessity is generally felt of treading back
our steps. But in order to prevent us
falling asleep over our conviction, some little
circumstance is ever and anon turning up, to
warn us to act upon it. One which has just
occurred, we are about to lay before our readers.
It is well known that, in some of the southern
counties, paupers have increased, not so much
from any addition to their numbers from failure
of work, although that cause has no doubt ope-
rated, as from pauper children marrying at the
ages of eighteen, nineteen, and twenty, without
a chance before them of being able to maintain
a family by their labour. At Canterbury the evil
appears to have risen to a great magnitude ; and,
we suppose, with a view to check it, as also
from the impossibility -of accommodating
each couple with an apartment, it has
of late been customary to lodge men and their
wives in separate parts of the workhouse. That
the consequences have been such as are nar-
rated in the following paragraph from the Kent
Herald, will surprise no one :
" Canterbury Workhouse was thrown into confusion on
Thursday night, by a number of the married men forcing
their way to the apartments of their wives, with whom
they were resolved to sleep, in defiance of the rules of the
house. The following night they attempted a repetition
of this conduct, and it was not without the aid of consta-
bles that they were ejected. Same of the offenders being
without families, were expelled the house, and the others
were committed to Bridewell. It is right to say, that a
doubt has existed in many minds as to the propriety of
this regulation thus infringed."
We pronounce no opinion, one way or the
other, upon the propriety of the regulation ; for
we are satisfied that no measure which does not
strike at the root of the evil can be efficient.
Those who have married upon the faith of
coming upon the poor-rates, ought still to
have a title to relief, upon condition of work-
ing hard for it, so hard that they may feel as
the Rev. Gentleman who has done so much
towards ameliorating the condition of the poor,
and lowering the poor-rates in Berkshire, ex-
presses it, " the parish to be the hardest task.
master and worst paymaster" they can apply to,
All who marry, or have illegitimate children, after
a certain time, should be cut off from the receipt
of any parochial relief whatever. Till this, or
something like this be done, in conjunction with
the diffusion of education, the poor who
have been demoralized by the present system,
will never learn that their being happy, prospe-
rous, and independent, or miserable and de-
graded, depends upon themselves. We fear that
this is a subject which Statesmen have been
unwilling thoroughly to examine, idleness and
sentiments of mistaken humanity rather inducing
them to give their money, than their time and
attention. Having this fear upon us, we were
much gratified the other day at observing that
the LORD CHANCELLOR had a long interview
with Miss MARTINEAU. No one is better
qualified to give interest to a repulsive and un-
grateful, though deeply important subject, than
this accomplished lady ; and if Lord BROUGHAM
have not yet seriously turned his attention to the
ultimate consequences of the poor laws,or if he be
prejudiced in favour of the principle of the pre-
sent system, we trust that his acquaintance with
her, will engage him to examine the question

or lead to his conversion in favour of her truly
enlightened benevolence.

A correspondent of the Morning chronicle,
who writes under the ironical signature of
" ATHANASILTS, jun.," in a letter, whose in-

formation is supposed to be derived from a
tolerably authentic source, mentions some cir-
cumstances, as regards the projected Irish Church
Reform, of a very gloomy complexion :

' The Reforming Government (as I have heard) mean
to propose an establishment of Bishops for Ireland, more
than double of ours in proportion !—And with such noble
incomes !—two six thousands a-year, and eight four
thousands a-year !—an annual sum of 44,0001. to defray
.he expense of Bishops for the newly-modelled Church in
Ireland !—I had thought, in my grief and despondence at
the app Irent approach of the death of Church corruption,
that the Reforming Government would so newly model the
Irish Church Establishment as to remove the just indigna-
tion and discontent of the Roman Catholic population;
and at the same time render the Protestant establish-
ment, freed from worldly ambition, pride and luxury, an
effectual instrument of preserving, and even extending,
' amid general peace and contentment, the Protestant
Religion in Ireland. And under this depressing belief,
I took for granted, that at the utmost they would not
think of proposing more than one Archbishop, and
four Bishops, for the newly-modelled Irish establishment.
To the Archbishop I supposed they would think it right
to give about five thousand, or four thousand a year ; and
to each of the four Bishops, about 3,0001. or 2,500/. a
year; so that about 16 0001. would be sufficient for the
new establishment of Bishops for Ireland ; and that thus
a far greater portion of Irish Church funds would be
available for the frugal but respectable maintenance of
useful Clergy of the Protestant Church in Ireland, and for
other purposes of church property, the promotion of which
would so much tend to the tranquillizing of Ireland, to
the welfare of that country, and the popularity and credit
of the Administration. So, my friend, I reasoned on the
probable nature of the reform of the Church Establish-
ment for Ireland. But lam happy to tell you that my
conclusion was wrong, and that church corruption is to
flourish."

We can scarce give credit to this statement, so
completely is it at variance with all that we have
hitherto heard on the subject of the Government
plan of Church Reform. Mr. PELHAM, who
spoke out the other day at Lincoln (as if from
authority), expressly stated that the projected
Church Reform would not be a niggardly, make-
believe one, but really a downright, efficient
Reform. Others also, , who from their situa-
tion should know something about the matter,
have expressed themselves with equal openness
and energy on the subject ; and, indeed,
it was chiefly on the presumption that
Ministers intended to set about the work
of ecclesiastical reform in an efficient, un-
daunted spirit, that the country at the late elec-
tions, returned so many Whigs to Parliament.
We feel convinced, therefore, looking to the ne-
cessity of the case, that Ministers will not act
otherwise than conscientiously towards the people.
We do not think they would trifle with them
From a sense of duty, and we are pretty sure
they will not from a sense of necessity. As for
two Archbishops and eight Bishops for Ireland,
the idea is absurd. One Archbishop and four
Bishops, one for each province, are an abundant
supply of diocesans, indeed more than enough
to satisfy all the Protestant spiritual wants of
Catholic Ireland.

An express has been received from Paris
bringing the papers of Thursday, and the Mes-
sager des Charnbres, dated yesterday. They
contain very little news of interest, being filled
with comments on the addresses of congratula-
tion to his MAJESTY from the corps diploma-
tique and the Chambers,on New Year's-day. The
Ministerial Journals all agree that the address made
by the Count D'APPONY,the Austrian Ambassa-

dor, is a proof of the good feeling which now exists
between France and the Northern Powers, and
that the Government of Louts PHILIP has no
reason to fear that a rupture will take place in
consequence of the determination of the King
of HOLLAND to persist in not acceding to the
terms of the Treaty entered into between the
British and French Cabinets.
The KING held a Cabinet Council on Thurs-
day, at which all the Ministers were present.
His MAJESTY, accompanied by the Duke of

ORLEANS, was positively to leave Paris the
next day, Friday, for the Northern Frontiers, to
review the troops which are returning from Bel-
gium, and distribute the honours to them. It
is expected that the whole of the army will have
returned to France by the 10th ; they will take
up the same position as they did previous to
entering Belgium.
The news from Spain mention that the Eng-
lish and French Ambassadors were urging the
Spanish Ministry to recognise Donna MARIA
as Queen of PORTUGAL. It was expected at
Madrid, that M. ZEA BERMUDEZ, would suc-
ceed in having this accomplished. The QUEEN
REGENT was fully aware of the infamous in-
trigues and plots forming against her by the
Carlist and Apostolical party, and was encourag-
ing in every direction Liberal Institutions.
FERDINAND continues in much about the same
state.

The following are extracts from Rio Janeiro
Papers :-
1110 De JANciao, Nov. 3.—Two despatches, date?.
the 16th and 18th August, from the camp at St. Joao,
in the province of Rio Grand• do Norte, relate the defeat
of a band of rebels; above 200 were killed on the spot,
and the remainder pursued and killed.
Nov. 6.—The Diario published the additional law
passed by the L. gialative Assembly, relative to the orga-
nization of the National Guards in the whole empire.—
Diario do Governe to the 7th November inclusive.

Frankfort Papers, received this morning, con-
tain the following :
UPPER HESSE, DEC. 23.—We learn that at the be-
ginning
of the new year we may expect very considerable
bodies of Prussian troops to march through our province.
The Commissariat-office of the Circle at Giessen has
already received notice, that it may have time to take the
necessary measures for the quartering and subsistence of
these troops, as stipulated by the convention, in their
march along the military route through the province of
Upper Hesse. But as the sum to be paid, according to
the convention, by the Prussian Government, especially
now that the price of provisions is rather high, will not be
sufficient to indemnify those in whose houses the men are
to be billetted, representations have been made by the
Magistrates of the places on the road, with a view to ob-
tain a more adequate remuneration.—Nuremberg Corre-
spondent, Dec. 28.
THURINGEN, DEC. 22.—We learn from an authentic
source that the negotiations at Berlin, relative to the tariff
and commercial relations, are on the eve of being con.
cluded. Weimar, and all the countries of Thuringen, un-
der
the special designation of the " Thuringen Union,"
accede to the commercial convention of Prussia and Hesse.
It is not, however, at all likely that this convention can
be carried into effect before the Ist of July, 1833.
VIENNA, DEC. 22.—The Observer contains a long
account of the reception of his Majesty, the Emperor, at