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London, England, 1834-06-17 00:00:00

UNIVERSITIES ADMISSION BILL.

Mr: WOOD moved the order of the day for the
second reading of this bill.
Mr. GOULBURN submitted to the hon. gentle-
man whether he thought it consistent with the fair
discussion of the subject he was bringing forward to
introduce it under the circumstances in which he was
about to introduce it. He did not believe that the
hon. gentleman moved the order of the day with any
other view than that of postponing it. (Hear, hear.)
He did not believe that the hon. gentleman had any
other object in view, notwithstanding the assertion of
an hon. gentleman near him (Mr. G.), because he
(Mr. G.) was 'satisfied that if it were wished that the
subject should be fairly discussed, the hon. gentleman
would not be a party to an arrangement which would
preclude the fair discussion of the subject. He did
not believe that the hon. gentleman did not intend
that the order of the day should be postponed, because
he (Mr. G.) believed the hon. gentleman was in
the house yesterday when several committees came
before the house for permission to sit to-day and
obtained it, thus abstracting from the business of the
house a large portion of its effective members who
were called upon to attend to those important in-
terests which were confided to their care. ( Hear,
hear.) If it were intended to press this subject to a
discussion, the hon. gentleman ought to have objected
to those committees being allowed to sit. ( Hear,
hear.) He had attended constantly upon the com-
mittee upon the tea duties, and that day--at that very
moment, the committee were entering upon a most
important discussion. There was a committee sitting
respecting the judges' salaries in Scotland. which in-
volved a most important -consideration to those mem-
bers who were interested in the administration of jus-
tice in Scotland. There were also various private
committees ; the Western Railway, and the Islington
Market, for instance, had obtained permission to sit
and the postponement of which would entail expense
and inconvenience. This ought to induce the hon.
gentleman to refrain from bringing forward a ques-
tion of such importance, and one that required to be
discussed with a full attendance of members. He
still continued to hope that the hon. gentleman would
postpone the discussion. He thought that the best
opportunity to state generally what were his ( Mr. G.'s)
objections to entertaining this important subject.
The house was aware that by the mode of arrange-
ment adopted at the morning sittings, a gentleman
might contrive to bring his arguments and his speech
within the limited period, and the gentleman who
would reply would be cut short by the Speaker leav-
ing the chair when a certain hour arrived, and his
answer would be thereby postponed for a considerable
period. If the morning sittings were to be dedicated
to the discharge of the ordinary business of the house,
they should take care that such questions only would be
brought forward as would be disposed of within the time
limited for their deletes. He did not approve of the
house sitting upon public business while committees
were sitting, and he had already stated his objections
to such a proceeding, as only a portion of the com-
mittee, or a portion of the house, could be in atten-
danbe. Committees upon bills were matters which
might be fairly discussed at morning sittings, as they
contained a variety of subjects, and five or six of them
might be disposed of at one sitting, and five or six at
the next. But what had their experience of the tran-
saction of public business in the mornings taught
them ? ( Hear.) An experiment had been made by the
noble lord the Chancellor of the Exchequer upon the
Poor Laws' Amendment Bill, and what had been the
result ? Why they had been obliged to abandon the
plan, as it was found that they made no progress.
And yet now they were called upon to try the same
experiment upon one of the most important questions
that had ever come before that house. (Loud cries of
Hear, hear.") By the regulations of this house the
Government had precedence on three evenings in the
week ; and many gentlemen, who had important bills
to bring forward, would thus have almost their only
chance taken away. ( Hear.) He was aware that the
mere discussion upon a petition presented by his
right honourable friend the Secretary for the colo-
nies had lasted an entire week, and was only
put an end to by the intervention of the holydays. If
that discussion had been upon the great principle
which the present measure embraced, did the house
suppose that the holidays would have put an end to
the discussion ? (Hear, hear.) If they were to com-
mence this discussion on two days in the week, it
would take fourteen days, or seven full weeks, to get
through it, to the prejudice of every other measure of
importance. That was a proposition to which he
hoped the house would never assent. If they were to
discuss the measure fairly, let some day be fixed, but
let them not have perpetual adjournments of two
hours, on two days in each week. (Hear, hear.)
Many members would be absent if that arrangement
were made, relying upon the prolixity of their friends
to keep up the debate. (Loud cheers' and a laugh.)
In conclusion he trusted the hon. member would see
the necessity of postponing the second reading.
Mr. G. W. WOOD said if the right hon. gentle-
man had any sincere wish to economise the time of the
house he would not have occupied so much of it in the
present discussion. ( Hear.) The objection could have
been made with more propriety when the arrange-
ment had been made. He did not know why the ,
right honourable gentleman should suppose that he
(Mr. Wood) did not mean to press the second
reading of the bill that morning, as he had
already intimated his intention to do so. If the bill
had been so long delayed it was not his fault, but it
was owing to the right hon. gentleman, and those who
thought with him, asking for time. There could not
be such objection, in his opinion, to adjourned debates,
as the house was already familiar with them; and
under these circumstances, he must press the second
reading of the bill.
Sir ROBERT INGL IS felt confident, that unless
his Majesty's government appropriated the evening
sittings to the discussion of this measure, the
consequence would be, that the discussion on
the bill would go on from Tuesday to Thursday,
and from Thursday to Tuesday, during the sl hole ses-
sion. In his opinion, the principle of a bill of such
vital importance could not be properly discussed in the
course of two or three hours ; and he trusted, there-
fore, the noble lord would not press the second read-
ing of the bill in the morning sittings.
Sir ROBERT' PEEL was rejoiced to see the no-
ble lord (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) perusing
the Order-book (Great laughter) for the purpose of
naming some other day for the discussion of the ques-
tion. In his opinion, nothing could be more a waste
of the time of the house than commencing the morn-
ing sittings with discussions like the present. In the
morning sittings the time was limited, and there was
no security that the debate would be resumed the next
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Lord ALTHORP said that his only reason for
looking at the order book was for the purpose of
seeing if the debate on the bill was proceeded with
this morning, it could not be adjourned to the evening,
and on looking at the order book he was inclined to
think that it might be apprehended the notices would
notoccupy the whole evening. (Cries of " No, no.")
He could assure the house that his only object in
pressing Government business on was to get
through it as quickly as possible. Perhaps bon. mem-
bers would have no objection to devote Saturday to
the consideration of the bill. (" Hear, bear," and
" No, no.")
Sir R. PEEL said, that if the noble lord would
give Friday for the Irish Tithes Bill, he might take
Saturday for the Poor Laws Bill.
Lord ALTHORP did not know why they should
make such a change. He did not wish that there should
be any interruption in the progress of the Poor Laws'
Amendment Bill, and he thought, therefore, that it
would be better to let that bill come on on Friday. If
the bill should have passed through thy committee ,be-

fore Friday, he would have no objection to the other
bill coming on on that day.
Sir R. PEEL said that there was a great difference
between the discussion in detail of several clauses,
and upon the discussion of a great principle, to which
2,000 members of the university of Oxford alone had
expressed a decided objection. He thought it was not
too much to ask for one day for the discussion of so
important a measure. He hoped, therefore, the noble
lord would allow this bill to be proceeded with on
Friday, commencing business at five o'clock. ( Hear.)
Lord ALTH ORP said he had no objection to this
arrangement, provided that the Poor Laws' Bill should
be proceeded with on Saturday. •
I Mr. G 0 LTLBURN said tbat nothing could be
more satisfactory than this arrangement.
After a few words from Mr: E WART,

Mr. M. A. TAYLOR said that though he was
most anxious to grant every just concession to the
dissenters, yet he never could agree as a member of
the university, and knowing the situation of the uni-
versities, he never would agree to admit protestant
dissenters in the universities. (Loud cheering from'
the opposition.)
Mr. G. W. WOOD moved that the order of the
day for the second reading of this bill should be post-
poned till Friday evening, upon the understanding
that the debate was positively to come on on that
evening.
The order was accordingly discharged, and fixed
for Friday.
Lord R. MANNERS presented a petition from
Ashby-de-la-Zouch against the admission of Dissenters
to the Universities.

Lord GRIMSTONE presented several petitions
from Hertfordshire to the same effect.
Mr. J. SMITH presented a petition from some
place, which we did not hear, owing to the noise made
by members leaving the house, in favour of the claims
of the Dissenters.

Sir J. TYRRELL presented a petition against the
admission of Dissenters to the Universities from some
parish in Essex.
Lord GROSVENOR presented petitions from the
towns of Ashby-de:la-Zouch and Packingtou to the
same effect. _

Petitions were also presented by Captain Yorke,
from several parishes in the county of Cambridge,
against the claims of Dissenters, and against beer
shops ; by Mr. Herbert, from Wiltshire, in support
of the Church ; by Mr. Hope, from Staffordshire,
to the same effect ; by Sir Robert Inglis, from
Southampton and othr places against the claims of
Dissenters, and twenty others from parishes in South-
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petition in favour of the dissenters' claims, contained
more signatures than the whole of the two hundred
petitions that the hon. baronet, the member for the •
University of Oxford, had presented during the present
session against them. ( Hear, hear.) This must bet
matter of great satisfaction both to that numerous and
respectable body of his Majesty's subjects, as well al
to those gentlemen who advocated their claims, and
the house should bear in mind the distinction to be
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THE FUNDS.—(THIS DAY.)
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CITY, T IVEL VE 0' CL oar
FALMOUTH, JUNE I3.—His Majesty's steamer
Firefly arrived here to-day from the Mediterranean.
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May,t rheas ando on
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fleet
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, a M
June, with mails. In Greece the chief subject of in-
terest was the trial of Colocotroni ; it commenced on
It was expected that the conspirators would be ac-
qand were expected to be joined by the French fleet.
The accounts from Cadiz are of the 9th inst. It '
appears that on the previous day the proclamatiOn for •
the election of deputies for the city was announced,
which was received by the inhabitants with great joy,
and the town was illuminated.
In Xeres the cholera had made its appearance, and
the communication with the country was cut off.
Consols still continue without the least animation,.
and opened this morning at the price they left off
yesterday, 921 for the account. At present they are
9214 with nothing doing.
We must express some surprise at the very heavy
account of Spanish Stock which has gone off so well
yesterday. No doubt very large sums must have been
carried over to the next account on paying
.a very
heavy interest. In the early part of the morning the
Centao was about one-half per cent. Spanish
Stock, n which left off yesterday at 521, opened at 511
at which price they are at present.
Portuguese Stock may be quoted at 741.
A Malta mail has arrived, but as yet we do not
hear of any particular news by it ; and, indeed, sve
cannot expect any later information from Spain or
Portugal than we are already in possession off.
HALF-PAST ONE.
Consols, which were in the early part of the
amorn--
ing at 921 for the Account, may be quoted
the
ePcfaey
sent 92. Spanish Stock in the early part of
This
was 52, since which it has declined to 501 f•
Pins that the
receding is attributed to a reporefrom •
of
Spanish Government only intend paying, one-third _
the interest of the debt. Portuguese Stock may be
quoted 781
As yet we do not hear any thing certain respecting
the destination of Don Carlos, and various are tae
conjectures on the subject. It is now stated that he
wishes to proceed to Italy.
(From the
_American Papers, just received.)
(From Vera Cruz to the 4th May.)
The Government has passed a decree abolishing
convents and confiscating all the property to the ser-
vice of the state. The edifices are to be converted
into hospitals and seminaries of learning. This mea-
sure, we feel apprehensive, will be the cause of
another of those internal wars from which Mexico
has suffered so much; it is contemplated to restrict
foreigners from engaging in her retail business. This
is pretended to be done with a view to favour the in-
digent natives.

TWO 0' CL 0C K.
We have just received the American papers to the
25th of May, by express, at the North and South
American Coffee-house. The Exchange on London
has differed 2A- and 21 per cent. premium.
The United States Bank Shares remain steady
at 107.
up, and
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Quebec. The.above papers, ri y press,
at the North and South American Coffee-house.
THREE 0' CLOCK:

Consols for the Account, 92%.

C.LOSING PRICES.—FOUR O'CLOCK.
Lt utk Stock ...... 2l 1 India 5t0ck............... ... ,i pOl.
S t.r Cent. R ...
_ti ....-- vli Ditto 80nd...... ........... loi
3 pCI Co.A, ( ons.. - South Sea Stoilt ............
31 per Cc n•
:pet Cent. Assented ll9l
95% Ditt t 014 Ani1..........
..b.f.l!
t'i pt.r c, nt. Red ... .
9"i D.tto New A on. ..... 53.•
inn.
1... ~...: :3a pe- Cent
Ditto • ~ ..... 5., pm.
Dissented lOl Ditto Sina'c: .... ---
Long Ann. to exi, re Rank S. for A
..... .... `..1
Ja:, 18h0
17 1-16 India
Ex. 81116. 1
sn,ol : ::: : : : :
.. 53 pm.
1, -16 Consols for Opg .. • 264
Oct NW
Jan. 1860 ,lt St. for Opg•••••••

Austrian, 5
5 per
eentFOREIG Is
1
i 16038
per cent
• Brazilian Bonds .....
Buenos Ayres, ti percent -
C:hilt:ln. 6 percent 34l'
Coluinbian, 6 per cent :..144
Ditto 1824
Danish
Peruvian 0 pes Cent.
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Gl‘diietexteoileato,
n5r,:,,repereeernect:.et:.;1,.8.5.275.1..8...2 5... 335416,3

FUNDS. t•.. 71.
Portuip tete,
Ditto, neg. Bonds .:!.1
Prussian• 5 per cent. ...••• 1!),,,
Russian 13110d.,S per cent. P.,
Ili , to. Met..ilie lO3
,er cent .5
sittnoi.shlril 47
French 5 per Cent.... —t..-4:
Exchange , —f. +is,
French 3 per Cent..., —1...4;,"
Dutch, 21 per cent ........ ..- 4
Ditto .5 per cent...........„ .
~..
..., 11,
5 per cen . . ..1