The Sun.
London, England, 1851-06-24 00:00:00

THE SUN,

FRANCE.
EPIDEMIC AMONG CATTLE.
The grippe, cholera, and other disagreeable epidemics,
have disappeared for a time; but, en revanche. a most
virulent epidemic, which bears strong analogy to the cho-
lera• has been decimating several classes of the inferior
animals. Like the cholera, this formidable disease cuts off
the strongest subject in an hour, and is characterised
by prostration, stupor, specific diarrheas, blue colour
of the skin, and general injection of the alimentary canal,
especially the small in•e4tine. The disease, whatever
it may be. is highly virulent, and in a most extraor-
dinary degree contagious. Every fibre, every drop of
fluid in an animal cut off by the complaint, is capable
of transmitting the original diwaa.. Even a drop of the
aqueous humour, inserted benea' h the skin of a healthy
swim il, gives the malady. The symptoms, however,
are considerably modified according to the class or
even species of animal; end as the morbific cause re-
mains the same, an opportunity is offered of studying the
comparative eff ots of the same pathological cause in dif-
ferent classes of animals. This interesting study has been
taken up by several members of the Academy of Medicine,
who are now performing an extensive series of inocula-
tions. In the south of France the " sweating sickness"
has again broken out with considerable violence, and as
this curious malady was a precursor of the cholera in
1849, great alarm has been occasioned, the more espe-
cially that the disease has proved fatalin several cases.
M. Alique. as inspector- general of hospitals, with a
strong staff, has been dispatched, to render assistance
and report on the sanitary condition of the affected lo-
calities. Many of them have been completely aban-
doned by the inhabitants; the middle ages still exist in
various parts of France, and, indeed, among ourselves
likewise.

CHLOROFORM AS AN ANASTEIETIC.
The local use of chloroform or of the chloruretted
hydrochloric ether, is becoming more general here every
day, and is now almost universally substituted ix opiate
or other calming lotions. The quantities, however, dif-
fer from those employed on your side of the Channel, at
least if I may judge from an English prescription,
now before me, in which two minims of chloroform to
an ounce of water are ordered. This homoeopathic dose
could produce little or no effect upon any severe pain.
The " Dutch liquor" is preferable to chloroform as a local
agent, and it is not impossible, seeing the progress of
modern chemistry, that some othar substance of supe-
rior qualities may be brought to light. Thus M. Ed-
'card R 'bin, one of our most industrious chemists, has
discovered that hydrobromic ether possesses anse,thetic
properties of a valuable kind. It has no acrid or
caustic savour ; its odour is not disagreeable ; it
render animals rapidly insensible, without apparently pro-
ducing any unpleasant effects. Those of chloroform, as is
well known, are sometimes dangerous, and often of a
curious kind. We had an example, not long ago, at one
of our hospitals here. The subject was a poor
priest, doomed to amputation of the leg for gangrene.
He was chlorified, and reduced to a state of strange in-
toxication, during which the language of the holy man
was anything but edifying. His expressions, in fact,
became so immoral, that it was almost impossible to

e )mplete the operation amid the laughter of the assia.

:anti.—Medical Tiwes.

CURIOUS CASE.

A curious case was a few days ago submitted to the
Court of Assizes of the department of Morbihan. Three
men named Pfitre, Bonet, and Ruello were tried fur hav-
ing attempted to sell what is called a " Secret of the
State" to the English Government. It appeared from
the indictment that in the port of Lorient there is an
establishment for the manufacture of a peculiar descrip-
tion of cannon halls for tee navy of a very dangerous
nature, called boulets asphyxians. Pe re was employed
in the making or these balls, and &net was also em-
ployed in the port. In November and December last
ihev got leave of absence, and went, with Ruello, who is
a baker, to London. Ruello supplit d the funds. It was
immediately rumoured, from some observations they
hail made, that they had gone to England to sell the
secret of making these balls to the English Government,
and it was ascertained that Biaet and Ruello had hart fre-
quent communications with the Englah Consul at Lonna.
Those two men had also caused an application to be
made to a notary named La Bobinec for an advance of
4,000 f, and promised to pay him 25.000 F. for it. They
then said that they were going to England to sell a
secret for making balls which would bring them several
millions. pa re was also heard to make a similar state-
ment to Binet's wife. On arriving in Louden they, ac-
companied by an interpreter, went to the Board of Ad-
miralty. Their proposition was favourably received, and
they were sent down to Portsmouth that experiments might
be made with their secret. The experiments lasted 15
days, and took place on board the Excellent, Captain
Chads. The Captain a report to the Admiralty was not
sufficiently favourable to induce it to purchase the secret;
nevertheless, an indemity of 1,200 f. (481.) was awarded
to the men. They had demanded 4,000 f. They then
attempted to sell the secret to the Ambassador of Russia
and to the American Consul, but both declined to accept
it. The three men passed some time at London, and
when their money was exhausted they fell into misery.
In August last Nitre returned to France and enlisted
into a regiment at St. Omer, but he was recognised and
arrested. Binet and Ruello arrived at Boulogne in No-
vember, and were arrested. The accused, on being inter-
rogated by the Court, denied that they had been to Eng-
land to sell the secret; bat, in addition to the above facts,
it appeared that reports of the police who had watched
them in L >ndon, and their own correspondence with their
farn'lies, stated the contrary. It was also shown that
Pere knew part of the secret from being employed in
making the bulle's, and that he had got the rest of it
by examining the papers of Colonel Thouvenin, the di-
rector of the manufactory. The jury, however, after
hearing the evidence and pleadings, returned a verdict
of " Not guilty" in favour of all the accused.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
COURT OF EXCHEQUER, June 23.
,Sittings in Middlesex, at Nisi Prius, after Trinity Term,
before Mr. Baron MARTIN and Common Juries.)
RAGLEY v. BAILEY.
Mr. Greenwood and Mr. Ray wont conducted the case
for the plaintiff, and Mr. Sergeant Wilkins, with Mr.
Joyce, appeared for the defendant.
This was an action by which the plaintiff, who was re-
presented as a dressmaker, sought to recover compensa-
tion is damages for an assault alleged to have been com-
mitted upon her by the defendant, a gentleman connected
with the Stock Exchange.
The defendant p 1 a led not guilty, and that although
he had made the aeseult, still that he had not used a
greater amount of violence than was necessary to pre-
vent the plaintiff from forcing her way into his cham-
bers. It appeared that the plaintiff, whom, it was stated,
earned her livelihood as a dressmaker, had met the de-
fendant at the Holborn Casino and at Caldwell's Danc-
ing Rooms in D-an-street, Soho. In the course of time
an intimacy took place between them, which in the end,
as the plaintiff contended, led to her becoming enceinte
by the defendant. She had been accustomed, as the
evidence went to show, to visit the defendant at his
embers. first in Leicester-square, then in Fur-
nival'6-inn, end lastly in Gray',,-inn, and at this last
place it was that thialletged assault was said to have
been committed. Fur athehgth of time the plaintiff had
oc-
casion when she called' ei
paid annoying visits to
witnesses
ahiotrentrhdei
aesegsrf defendant
fsnoddrfooa
thewnr
nt
the
ht
tpheouit
defendant
Eve efoxehseneet
de(
a,renbtwantedensittreeadi c
gise
this particular visit, and added that thee
defendant, but upon one oc-
whereosheteoadtrw-eslqsruwl.tlagrol3oipnrosgeehsteeoonftthtohaeletdr
esomhe money to pay her
said, if she really were going home to live as
girl, if she would call upon him the defendant had
a. good
next morning he
! would give her the necessary sum to pay her fareto
Exeter. Some time since the plaintiff went to the
de-
fendant's chambers in Gray's-inn at a time when he had
a gentleman of the name of Cooper taking coffee with
him, and upon that occasion, in the first instance, she
had pulled the bell with great violence. The defendant
went to see who it was, and on opening the door the
plaintiff attempted to force her way into the chamberg.
This the defendant resisted, whereupon the plaintiff
assailed him with a volley of abuse. The defendant
thereupon called out to his friend Cooper to go and
fetch a policeman. However, without the aid of that
personage, the defendant at length succeeded in shutting
the door, leaving the plaintiff on the landing-place. The
plaintiff was not to be foiled, and therefore she soon re-
commenced her attack upon the bell, which attack, as
one of the witnesses for the def. ndant said, must
have lasted as long as half an hour at least, accom-
panied by abuse. The defendant, with his friend, ulti-
mately went to the door a second time, and the door was
no sooner opened than the plaintiff, more violently than
before, tried to effect an entry into the chambers. Of
course this fresh effort was resisted with increased vigour
an the part of the defendant, who kept hold of the door,
and opposed her entrance with his body. The defendant
ultimately forced her back, when she called out, "Cary,
he.
has
kicked me; 0,1930 up " A woman, whose name
e'al_t"equontly proved to be Mrs. Stephenson, thereupon
,`",2 from the lower landing, and soon afterwards the
piainuee
Evidencefell down. The defendant then closed the door.
her confine:le given
at at the alleged assault, and
to show that the plaintiff was near
teat what tied ea time of the al ,
her to fall had whi
henson said t been a k ick, from ch she badht:lt' s ea "
d
ed her injurpies. The witness Ste-
plaintiff et t been fr her assistance the
laintiff would not have beeno
p able either to rise from the
en.in consequence place where she had fell
of a kick, or to
regain her home. That- eeeni
plaintiff suffered
great pain, and she was col:awl:7 the
injuries morning
arandedrieltioitoment her stomach,
site.and on the
tnheexiet
advice became requi-
te the plaintiff now
urgedohapelrehvp;nt the
claimed compensation.
On behalf of the defendant it was
had been no kick given by that gentieena tied there
t 4: and that in
truth there had been no more force used
plaintiff trom effecting an entry into the
was absolutely necessary. And then as to the clairasjt
plaintiff upon him, as the father of the child of which she
was delivered in April last, it was contended that there
was no more claim upon that gentleman than there was
upon any other particular individual, seeing that she was
not a modest woman.
~ Witnesses were called, who proved that the defendant
caid. not kick the plaintiff, that she was a frequenter of
:assumes and other dancing rooms, and that the eefendant
Mr. GREENWOODrepIied
00rot the only person who had been admitted to the
I ..st familiarities with her.
,Baru"
placed before
looliallti at considerable length.
MARTIN left it to the jury to say whether,
n 4 at the whole of the evidence which had been
them, they were satisfied that there had
been a greete,
eject tee plarinattinwunt of force used by the defendant to
from his chambers, in the way and
wider the cireres ancee which they had heard, than
was fai,ly andrupt,r aoitnably necessary. P so, te. nin that
else it would
he
tiff with such an hduty t., find a verdict for the Wain-
amount of damages as they might con-
sider she was entitled to.
The jury, utter Some
consultation,returned a verdict
for the plaintiff—damages 10L

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
MANSION-HO USE.
The conductor of an omnibus was charged by the so-
licitor to the Excise with having taken passengers into
his carriage and driven into the city from the West-end
without having a licence. The shiver and conductor
are, in cases of this kind, considered to be both liable to
heavy penalties under the sth and 6 h Victoria.
Mr. Lewis, of Ely-place, appeared for the defendant.
G. W. show (officer of Excise) said, at four in the
afternoon I saw the defendant driving an omnibus which
had no plates. The vehicle was full inside, and there
were nine or ten outside. The defendant went along a
devious route through Leicester-square, Long-acre,
Drury-lane, Wych-street, and Temple bar to Cheapside,
and plied for passengers all the way. I went into the
omnibus and paid 6i.
Mr. Lewis admitted that the plates were not exhibited,
but said he could show that their absence was caused by
mere accident, and that there had been upon the part of
the defendant no intention to evade the duty or to vio-
late the law for any purpose whatever.
A coachman who had driven the omnibus on the day
before that on which the complaint was made, said as
he was driving along on the former day he observed
that one of the horses had a wound upon it which ren-
dered it unfit for such work, and he accordingly unhar-
nessed it, and sent it home to the depot, at the same
time removing the plates from the omnibus, to show that
he could not take any passenger; that next day, by the
merest accident and in the immense hurry of business
arising from the Grest Exhibition, he had forgotten to
put in the plates and happened to come in the way cf
the Excise officer, who, finding that there was an over-
sight upon the part of the servants of the omnibus pro-
prietor, was determined to prosecute the case.
Mr. Bateman (from the office of the solicitor to the
Excise) submitted that all that was necessary was to
prove the violation of the Act of Parliament, sand that
had been distinctly proved.
Mr. Lewis submitted that a magistrate in convicting
under such circumstances would decide in opposition to
the spirit and meaning of the Act altogether, which
never was made to punish an accidental omission.
Mr. Bateman said if excuses were to be allowed in
such cases there would be plenty at hand upon all oc-
casions. If the magistrates were to listen to such apo-
logies for missing plates as that they had been lost or
stolen, why they would be lost and stolen every day,
and there would be no use in an Act of Parliament at all
upon the subkct.
The LoRD MAYOR—No doubt of it. I convict the de-
fendant in the penalty of 101. He may, if he pltase, pe-
tition the Board of Excise in mitigation, but I have no-
thing to do with that part of the question.
The defendant requested to be allowed to go out and
procure the 101.; but
The Loin MAYOR said it was his duty to see the pe-
nalty paid, or to sentence the defendant to imprisonment
fur three months. He wished all persons connected
with omnibuses to be very cautious in attending to the
Acts by which their carriages were regulated, as he and
his brother magistrates had determined to let no ease
which might be proved before them escape with im-
punity.
Tne defendant paid the la penalty, and said that he
would petition the Board of Excise to
WORSHIP-STREET.
Michad Butler, a powerful fellow, of notorious Cha-
racter, was placed at the bar for final examination, be-
tore Mr. Tyrwhitt, charged with having broken into the
dwelling-house of Mr. Henry Bateman, a wheelwright,
in Holy well-lane, Shoreditch, and with having also
assaulted and wounded the prosecutor, with intent to
murder him.
The offence was committed on the 10th of February
last, when the prosecutor, on returning home from an
evening party at a late hour, discovered the prisoner
and another man secreted at the rear of the. premises,
both of whom instantly set upon him, and after beating
him unmercifully with the butt-end of a horse-pistol and
life-preserv. r, with which they were respectively atrasd,
and inflicting numerous severe wounds about hie head
and other parts of hie person, succeeded in eff-ctiog
their escape over the rrs fs of some adjoining out-houses,
and had ever since eluded pursuit until about tea days
since, when the prisoner was traced by the police and
taken into custody.
The depositions of the several witnesses having been
completed and read over,
The prisoner was next charged with having
been con-
cerned, with another man not in custody, in the follow-
ing murderous assault and robbery upon an egad widow,
named Elizabeth Hussey, living in Mulberry-court,
Whitechapel.
The prosecutrix stated that at about five o'clock in
the evening of the 19th April last, the prisoner, who was
accompanied by another man, called at her house, and
stated that they required the attendance of her son, who
is an itinerant musician, with his violin at a rage which
was to come off that evening, and that he would receive
ss. for his services. She invited them into the parlour
to receive their directions, as her son was not at home,
and one of the men having insisted upon providing some
liquor, another woman who was with her was sent for it,
and as soon as she had left the prisoner inquired if there
was any other person in the house, which she answered
in the negative, and then asked her ,her age, which she
told him was 65. The instant the words were uttereci
the prisoner sprang upon her and grasping her by the
throat, flung her down upon the floor, where he held her
fast while the other man forced his hand down the
bosom of her dress, from which he abstracted a bag con-
taining two sovereigns and a quantity of silver, with
which he escaped into the street; but the prisoner con-
tinued holding her down, and compressed her throat
with such violence that she entirely lost her senses. She
did not recover Consciousness till nine o'clock in the even-
ing, when she felt herself in a state of extreme suffering
and experienced all the effects of strangulation, which
conflued her to her bed, where she remained for a con-
siderable period under medical attendance.
A married woman named Rosina Flaherty, who was
present at the time referred to by the last witness, was
also examined, and gave similar positive evidence to the
prisoner being one of the men who had perpetrated the
outrage.
Formal evidence of former convictions was then given
by a retired police sergeant of the G division, named
Cross, who was present at the prisoner'a trial and con-
viction for highway robbery in October, 1846, at the
Central Criminal Court, when he was sentenced to seven
years' transportation, which was afterwards commuted
to twelve months' imprisonment; and also of a second
conviction tor felony, and inestenced to a similar period
of incarceration in the month of January, 1949.
Tne prisoner, who reserved his defence, was fully elm-
mitted tor trial upon the first charge, but was ordered to
be again brought up in a week for the completion of the
depositions.in the second case.

THAMES.
CAPTURE OF ♦ BURGLAR.—John Shaw, carver, 3,
West-street, Globe-fields, 23 years, was charged with
loitering about Washington-street, Bow-common, with
intent to cgiatnit a felony. -
As he was talking to Mills, 30 C, a detective officer,
on Saturday evening, Sergeant Smith, 28 K, also a de-
tective, detained him, as he was well known, to see what
he had, and telt his pecket, which evidently contained
keys, whereupon the fellow snatched away his cos,,
threw off his hat, and took to his heels. Finding he
gained ground, the sergeant called out "Stop thief!"
when a man dressed as a butcher caught him by the
Elephant and Castle—a distance of nearly half a mile.
The street was a very dull one, through which you
would scarcely meet a person passing in an hqur. At
daylight next morning Sergeant Smith and Mills found
six skeleton keys and a "jemmy" within ten yards of
where the prisoner had been stopped. Sergeant Smith
heard a rattle as of keys during the chase. A person
who had engaged the prisoner, not knowing his cha-
racter, had been robbed of 201. or 301., but the offence
could not be brought home. Nineteen duplicates had
been found at his lodgings.
Mr. Pelham, for the defence, cross-examined the
officers with great dexterity, but could not elicit anything
favourable to the prisoner, and
Mr. Immix sentenced him to three months' hard
labour, directing Sergeant Smith to see to the duplicates.

SEABORNE MAILS.
[N signifies that the mails are sent front the General Post-offies
by the night—and Mby the morning—dispatch.]

e When made up in From whet
PLACES. General Post-office port dis-
When
London. patched. due.
.e -----------___
--_____ ____----.
't America (by Brit. pkt.)N June 27
.. Liverpool .. July 5
- Amarice (by U.S. pkt.) N .. .. Liverpool . • July 2
. America (by U.S. pkt.) M July 2 .. .. outhanipt. June 26
. Africa (West coast).. N 14th of the month Plymouth July 3
' Alexandria* ....... N 19th & 30th of mo. Dover • . June 28
I Btlglam • . .• •• N Daily • • .. .. Dover • . Daily
f Brazil .. , • .. id 9th of the month Southampt. July 12
r Buenos Ayres .. .. 51 9th of the month Southampt. July 14
California(viaChagres)M 0
Id & 17th of month Southampt. July 5
1
• Cape of Good Hope Nl4th of month Plymouth
..• Ju y 3
1 Constantinople* .. •• N 7th 17th 27th of mo Dover . June 3 Central. America •
.. ill td & 17th of mon. Southampt. July 5
Channel Liles •• •. NI Mon., Wed., & Fn. Southampt. Ti. Th.Bs
' Chill .. .. .. M 17th of the month Southampt. July 20
France .. .. M& Ni Twice daily .. .. Dover • • Twlcedally
Greece* • • .. • • N7th 17th 27th ef mo Dover .. June 30
Hatnburgh .. .. NiTuesday & Friday London .. Tues. Sat
Holland .. .. .. 111 Wednes. & Satur., Louden .. Mon.Thrt
Honduras .. .. . Ni 17th of the metattrSouthampt. July 20
Ireland .. —M& NlTwice daily.. .. 1 Holyhead .. 1 eri cedaily
India (via Southamp.) Mr2oth of the adontloouthauapt. July 43
India (via Marseilles) N 7th.x 24th efmonth Dover • • July 1
Mediterranean (via c (
Southampton) .. M 20th of the month ,Soathampt. July 23
Mediterranean (via
Marseilles) .. .. N 7th& 24 tk ofmonth Dover • .July 1
Madeira
::
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..
}f
. . lf
92tdhof
of thetbe month..mootb Southampt.Southampt ;JulyJoly 12 5
Malta* ..
IT r 7th,17th,19th,27th } Dover June 23
.. ? I & 30th of month
~.

f 7th,17 th,l9th,27th
j & 30th of month
Naples* .. N'sth 15th 25th of mo 'Dover
Papal States* N stit 15th 25th of mo Dover ..
Peninsular.. .. Mlth 17th .27th of mo Southampt.
Peru kl7th of the month Southampt.
Tuscany* N sth I sth x 51,11 of mo Dover ..
West Indies .. 11{,17th of the month Southampt.
West West Indies (except
Havanna & Nassau) M 2d of the month ..Southaenpt.i.Tuly 5
The mails to those c ountries thus marked (*) are conveyed by
French packet va4 Marseilles
CALIFORNIA.—Mails to and from California, via the United States
are now despatched and due by every American packet.

(July 2
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July 40

HE ...ANGUAGE OF YOUNG LArnas.—The Rev.
T T
aerenS'
i ASe.hl:o6l4,l3°l3i,c.in an address before the Newburyport Female
Ihorrible for fm;
of exagwgeuratiVilas been published, enlarged upon the use
inuriads for anyPetleenYan'sm
extravagant forms of speech,—saving
splendid for
says, "to writs down,
young ladies of
literally, it would imply thnattaneF'
int,ognificent for handsome, horrid or
immense for large, thousands or
on linlveosrl
for
more than two. " Were I," he
esuete With more marvellous ad-
my acquare day, the conversation of some
morehad passed through more
and then to interpret it
',TOOL/. inwgol
or fourteen hours, they had
m, Within. the compass of twelve
rapture, than
ventures and hair-breadth
di,tres,ing experiences, had
titcti ;..he excep-
nE, which left
whaoduldenseueffireede
fomrohraelffriaglyo,zheandeo,innji imposing spectacles,
The shipments of eby the (3.4 .
tfioornl
on
fd iiaB,oono
oFirifdoaryA,
le amountaandriead.
stnodEl
or Ceylon,
the whole was silver, 55,400/. being in bars and
Bombay, 5,600 E for Calcutta, and 2,10 a. for Chinikdollars for

IMPERIAL PA RLIAMENT.

nousis: OF LORDS, June 23.
The Lone) CHANCELL ,R took his scat, upon the Wool-
eaels at Five o'clock,
SANITARY STATE OF THE METROPOLIS.
The Bishop of LONDON wiabed to draw the atten-
tion of the Government to the sanitary state of the me-
tropolis, and to the necessity that existed fur giving
effect to the laws existing on the subject, and to the in-
troduction of fresh legislative measures.
The Earl of CARLISLE said that the attention of
the Government was directed to the subject.
HIGH WAYS (SOU CH WALES) BILL.
On the motion that this Bill be read a third time,
Viscount HEREFORD opposed the third reading, as
it was an exceptional Bill, introducing a species of le-
gislation for Wales different from that which existed in
England. He moved that the Bill be read a third time
that day six mortbie
The Earl of CAWDOR defended the enactments of
the Bill. Experience had shown that such enactments
were needed.
Viscount HEREFORD explained.
The Duke of RICHMOND supported the Bill.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE hoped their Lord-
ships would pass this measure.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
APPEALS.
Lord LYNDHURST moved that it be referred to the
Committee for Privileges to consider and report what
course, having regard to the privileges of this House,
ought to be pursued for obtaining the attendance and ad-
vice of the Master of the Rolls and other Judges of the
Court of Chancery upon the hearing of appeals, Ste.
He considered that the Bill which had been introduced
into the other House for the reform of the Court of
Chancery affected the privileges of their Lordships'
House. He understood that Bill had been drawn up by
his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack, and it
did him honour; lie considered that Bill would enable
his Noble and Learned Friend to get rid of arrears
in the Court of Chancery. It also provided
for the attendnance of in
judges in their Lordships'
House to onsul:d In appeals. He had himself been
always in favour of such a measure, and be was sure
that the proposition would meet with, the approbation
of the country at large ; but it would be for the
Committee of Privileges to determine how such
attendance could be obtained. Certain he was, it
ought not to be obtained through the medium
of a Bill introduced into the other House of Parliament.
Such a course would be a direct invasion of their Lord-
ships' privileges. He therefore proposed that the matter
should be referred to a Committee of Privileges, so as to
have the question determined before the Bill should come
up from the other Rouse. He admitted that it was most
desirable to secure the attendance of equity judges
iu
their Lordships' House when their Lordships were hear-
ing appeals, but that advantage ought to be secured
without any infringement of the rules of their Lord-
ships' House. The judges of the courts of equity
were all Privy Councillors, and he proposed that in con-
formity with ancient practice, writs of summons should
be issued to them, eel:mending them to attend their
Lordships' House, ak hid formerly been issued to all
Privy Councillors. Whether that writ should be issued
by their Lordships at once, or whether a short Bill
should be introduced into their Lordships' House,
Wai a question which he would not take upon himself to
determine; all be would do would be to move that the
question be referred to a Cernmittee of Privileges.
The LORD CHANCELLOR would not oppose the
motion. He had drawn up the Bill with great
care, and with the utmost anxiety not to in
fringe upon the privileges of their Lordships' House.
The enactments of the prop ised Bill merely placed the
equity judges upon the same footing with regard to
attendance on their Lurdahips as the common law
judges.
Lord LYNDHURST had no objection to the clause,
he only wished to prevent any infringement of the
privileges of their Lerdehips' House.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said the Bill only gave
the power of summoning the equity judges.
Lord LYNDHURST repudiareit the idea of the House
of Commons giving their Lordships power.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE considered It was a
wise course in the other House to introduce clauses to
make a Bill intelligible. Those clauses teither had the
intention nor had they violated the privileges, because
their Lordships could not say what would be the effect
of those clauses until the Bill should be before their
Lordships.
Lord STANLEY vindicated the course taken by his
Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Lyndhurst). The
statement of the Noble Marquis that it was not intended
to pass the clause in the other House was all that his
Noble Friend contented for.
The Duke of RICHMOND maintained that the House
of Lords bad the right to originate money clauses. He
hoped that the clause would not be retained in the Bill,
as he should not wish the Bill to be thrown out.
The &terquis of LANSDOWNE said that care would
be taken that it should be excluded.
Lord BROUGHAM hoped the example they were
about to set would not be followed by the other House of
Parliament in a similar case. When a Bill with money
clauses was sent down to the House of Commons what,
however, did they doe They were not very likely to
refer it to a committee of inquiry to ascertain if it was
an infringement of their privileges; they were more
likely to take it for granted that it was an interference
with those privileges. With respect to the important
subj-ct of the attendance of the Vice-Chancellora at the
Efolse he felt more strongly the advantage of that are
raneensent. Nothing could be more entirely in accord-
ance with his views than to have the attendance of the
equity judges. As connected with the appellate juris-
diction of the House he wished the matter had been in-
troduced at an earlier period.
Lord LYNDHURS T did not want to defeat the
clause, but to deal with it in a proper and constitutional
manner.
Lord BROUGHAM thought they ought also to:call
in the judges of the Scotch courts in Scotch appeals.
The motion was agreed to.
EPISCOPAL AND CAPITULAR ESTATES.
The Earl of CARLISLE moved that leave be given
to the petitioners, praying to be beard by counsel
against the Episcopal and Capitular Estates' Manage-
ment Bill, to be heard before the Select Committee on
the Bill (whose petitions were pre.ented on the Me,
16th, 19th, 22d of May, and 2d, 6th, and 19th of this
instaut June).
Lord Pi diTNIAN said that the course proposed by
the Noble Earl wits unusual, and opposed to the rules of
the House. Nothing could be more fetal to the passing
of in important measure, in accordance to the princi-
ples of sound justice, than to hear the antagonistic dis-
cussions of counsel, who were instructed by those having
extreme views on the subject, and as a precedent it
would be highly inconvenient; fur it they adaii‘ied
counsel in those cases why not admit them in the case
of any other future Petitioners? He should say non-con-
tent to the motion,
After some conversation, in which the E-irl of Her-
rowby, the Bishop of Salisbury, the Duke of Richmond,
and otber Noble Lords took part,
The Earl of CARLISLE consented, at the suggestion
of the Bishop of balisnury, to withdraw his motion,
which was thereupon withdrawn accordingly.
Toe Duke of NORTHUMBERLAND presented a
petition against the navigation-laws from ahipowners and
others.
REGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES BILL.
The amendments of the report oil this Bill were agreed
to, the clause relating to maps, on the suggestion of Lord
Lyndhurst, being emitted. The Bill was ordered to be
r• ad a third time to-morrow (this d=y),
VE rERINARY SURGEONS' EXEMPTION BILL.
This Bill passed tbrote, h Committee.
Their Lordships teen adjourned.

HOUSE OF COM vi 01.9, June 23
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Pour o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were
considered and agreed to:—
Dundee and Arbroath Railway.
Liverpool Docks ( Alteration of Management, &o.)
Monkland Railways.
The following Bills were read a tkird time and passed:
Brighton Extramural Cemetery.
Caledonian Railway (Motherwell Branch Extension and
Leshniabagow Brauches).
London (City) Sewers.
Shrewsbury and Birmingham Riilway,
METRUPOLI VAN WATER BILL.
Mr. MO wATI' gave notice that to-morrow he should
move, in the case of the Metropolitan Water Supply Bill,
that the standingrOrders be dispensed with, and in the
event of tho House agreeing to that motion, he should
move that the Bill be read a second time.
PETITIONS.
Several petitions were presented against the Eccle-
siastical Titles Bill.
Sir ROBERT BARRY INGLIS presented a petition
Thom Edinburgh, signed by the Lord Provost, by the
Moderator of the General Amsemuly of the Established
Church, by the Modtrilor of the General Assembly at
the Free Church, by 272 ministers, and by 4 877 other
persons iu Edinburgh and its vicinity, against the ad-
mission of Jews into Parliament.
Mr. DUNCAN presented a petition from Glasgow
against the Public-houses (Scoilsnif) Bill.
Mr. FARRER presented a petition from Stockton-
on-Tees in tavour of national arbitration.
Mr. SCULLY presented a petition front the millers
of Tipperary, complaining of the importation of foreign
flour.

Several petitions were presented in favour of and
against the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill.
SEWER ;GE IN Sr. JAMES'S.
Sir DE LACY EVANS put a question to Viscount
Ebrington, why the sewerage works in St. James's,
Westwinster, promived to be executed last year, have
not been, up to rho present time, execwed or commvnced;
and whether the sum of about 120 0001. proposed to be
levied ty a rate of sixpence in the pi.u,,d, on the
northern side of the Thames, is intended to cover
existing liabilities or to execute new works; and, if
pirtly for the former purpo.e, how much of that
sum 'a proposed to be so appropriated; and whether it is
intended, us has been reported, that the parties residir g
in the streets or localities in St. James's, hitherto left
it sewerage, shall be subject to a special rate
additioniwnhaY
uto the rate of sixpence In the pound now in
course of c,flection.

Lord EBRINGTON said that the reason why the
works had tp,t been finish, d wad. that it had been found
Impossible to borrow mere i ban 10 000/., winch sum was
not sufficient tocomplete all the work*. With regard to the
sum of 1:10.0001, a great part of it WWI to be applied to
new works and part of it to the defraying of the current
expenses. It certainly was trip. that a special rate was
to be levied in the manner proposed by Act of Parini- i
meat.

WATER SUPPLY.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE called the attention of the Right
Ron. &WNW the Rome Secretary to an advertisement

in the Times newspaper of this morning, containing a
prospectus of a prop)sed water company, in which it
WAS stsved that the Gov, rnment did not intend to offer
any opposition to the Water Bill, which had been lately
read a second time in the House of Commons and re-
ferred to a Select Committee. He wished to ask the
ll,ght Hon. Gentleman whether any such assurance had
b.een given by the Government?
Sir G. GREY said the statements made in the adver-
tisemea were wholly unauthorised. No communication
which could justify the assertion had passed between
the Government and the secretary of the proposed corn- 1
pany. _ _

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wuLranrOdNsoDf
viOtihNthe.
Si i n
her
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nutalhe
city of London, with the number of aldermen and corn-
mon-councilmen ; of the number of persons rated
to the relief of the poor in each parish within the
city of London; of the number of persons on the
register of Parliamentary electors for the several
years from 1845 to 1851, distinguishing livery.
men from householders; and of the number of persons
on the register of municipal electors for aldermen and
common councilmen, from 1845 to 1851 (each ward to
be given separately).—Agreed to.
KILRUSH AND ENNISTYMON UNIONS.
Mr. REYNOLDS wished to know why the returns
ordered on the 11th of April in regard to Kilrush and
Ennistymon Unions, had not been laid on the table?
Sir G. GREY said he would communicate with Sir
W. Somerville, and a-certain the cause of the delay.
INVENTION FUR PERFORATING POSTAGE
STAMPS.
Lord NAAS asked the Secretary of the Treasur
whetner the machine for
perforating the sbeeta of postage labels, which was furnished by the patentee
to the Commissioners of Stamps in the year 1849,
had been found to answer the purpose for which it
was intended; and if so why perforated postage stamps
have not been supplied to the public, in accordance to
the terms of the arrangement entered into between
the Commissioners and the patentee—viz., that he
was "to furnish the machine on the understanding
that he was not to be repaid the cost thereof, or to re-
ceive compensation for his invention until the plan was
brought into successful operation, or had received the
unqealified approbatien or the public ;" also, whether
the perforated postage labels which had been in use in
both Houses of Parliament for the last three months have
been supplied by the patentee, or in the usual way by
the postmaster of the district.
Mr. C. LEWIS begged to state, in the first place, that
the invention to which the Hon. Member had alluded had
been tried, and had been found to succeed, and in con-
sequence of that success a certain sum of money had b -en
awarded by the Treasury to the inventor, partly as a
reaard for his invention, and partly as some compensa-
tion for the cost of the machine. However, Mr. Archer,
the inventor, was not eerie& d with the amount awarded
to him, and he declined to accept it. Under those cir-
cumstances the department of Inland Revenue did not
think themselves justified in making any use of
the machine, and particularly as the inventor
had intimated his intention of removing it.
The machine, therefore, remained in
ffi the
ce, and no use had been made of it beyond. this—a
certain number of sheets of peiforared postage stamps
had been furnished, at the requst of the inventor himself,
to the gentlemen in the library of the House of Commons,
and also to a postmaster in Bridge-street, Westminster.
COLONEL ROSE.
Mr. URQUHAR r asked it the Government would
nroduce ifs Treasury minute, on which a convert-
-Ilion of 1 8201. for the loss of half-pay was made to Co-
lonel Rose, while Consul General in Beyruth?
Mr. C. LE WIS said there would be no objection to
produce the Treasury minute.
MR. DISH A ELI'S RESOLUTIONS.
In answer to Sir B. HALL,
!Ur. DISRAELI said be had not yet settled the points
on which he intended to take the opinion of the House
with regard to the financial arrangements of the Go-
vernment; but be would probably be able to lay a copy
of his rteetlutions on the table to•morrow eveeing.
ECCLESIASTICAL TI I'LES ASSUMPTION BILL.
The iftuse then wont into Committee on this Bel.
On the qtesseon that the preamble be agreed to,
Mr. WALPOLE rose to move an addition to the pre-
amble, soil in doing so he observed that it was auppesed
that there was considerable ambiguity in the exist-
ing law bearing upon the subject, which this
Rill embraced. For his part he thought there was no
ambiguity whatever in it. The NT was clear and dis•
(ince, but as some ambiguity had been suggested, it was
right that they should attempt to remove it, so as to mak.
the law as plain and distinct as possible, and the best
way to attain that object was by making some alteration
in the preamble to this Bill. That was one of the
reasons which induced him to propose this addition,
but he had another and a very important reason for
moving this amendment. It was highly desirable
that this Bill should be rendered effective. Now
the only way to do that was to make the preamble an
unequivocal protest against the recent aggression of the
Pope. It was not necessary that this Bill should be a
retaliatory act upon the Pope, but the preamble
might be so worded that it should form an energetic
protest against all future aggressions of this character,
and teach the Pope that hie assumption of ecclesiastical
authority in this country was illegal in fact as well as in
law. He therefore wished to propose an addition to the
preamble, which, after declaring that this kingdom was
and had been at all times so free and independent that no
foreign prince, prelate, or potentate hath or ought to have
acy jurisdiction or authority, either spiritual or temporal,
within its realms, would go on to specify the law in
these words:—" And whereas the said brief, rescript, or
letters apostolical, and all such or the like acts or matters
touching the Queen, her crown, her regality, and the
realm, and the pretended constitution of a hierarchy of
bishops named from sees and with titles derived
from places belonging to the Crown of England,
and the assumption or use by any person
other than the person thereunto authorised
by law, of the name, style, or title of' archbishop, bishop,
or dean of any city, town or place, within any part of the
'United Kingdom, are usurpations and encroachments in
manifest derogation of the Qieen's authority, and against
the spirit and intent of the said statute of the tenth year
of King George the Fourth, and such usurpations and
encroachments ought not to be allowed to ripen into
usage or to obtain the sanction of time and custom."
Mr. MOORE remarked that up to the year 1829
Members or Parliament were obliged to swear that they
believed teat no foreign potentate hash or ought to have
any authority, spiritual or otherwise, in this country;
but by the Act of 1829 that oath was virtually abolished,
and be should contend if the Committee adopted this
addition that they were repealing the Catholic Relief
Act by a side wind.
The SOLICI TOR-GENERAL did not think there
was any necessity for making this addition to the pre-
amble, which as it now stood would accomplish all than
was required,—(Rear, bs an) Everything which
had been sanctioned by the Committee in the
clauses had its corresponding part in the preamble,
arid he thought, therefore, that no advantage would be
grained by the Hon. and Learned Gentlensise's preamble.
No addition would be made to the Protestant securities
by it, neither would it at all confirm or alter the
law. There was one change in the preamble
which was absoltrely for the worse. The preamble of
the Government Bill declared that certain or her Ma-
jesty's subjects had taken upon themselves these ill. gal
titles, but the preamble proposed by the Hon. Gentle-
man began by asserting that the Pope had erected cer-
tain sees and so on. New, if we had to quarrel with
the Pope, a foreign potentate, it must be done
by diplomatic means, and not iu the preamble
of an Act of Parliament, which dealt only with her
mejesty's subjects. It seemed to him that there was not
one she anon proposed by the Hon. Gentleman which
were improvements to the Bill. He could nut conceive
what good could arise from the addition of half-a-dozen
words to a preamble which was already precise and
clear.

Mr. BANKES considered that the lion. Member for
Mayo had given a good reason for the adoption of
these words, for be stated it was his opinion that
the spiritual juthrlietinn of the Pope in this country was
a right which might be questioned. It was requisite, as
well fir the safety of Protestants as Roman Catholics,
that they should clearly understand the principle
on which the House legislated. Should any of the
ameudments which were now on the paper he agreed to,
it would then become necessary that a more stringent
and more satisfactory preamble should be passed than the
preamble as it bow stood.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the question for the Commit-
tee to decide was whether the present preamble was suit-
able to the clauses that had already been agreed to. For
his part he thought it wac, and he could see no reason for
importine words into it that might hereafter lead to
considerable difficulty. Unless the Committee proposed
to alter the Act of 1829, which he confessed he for
one was not prepared to do, no ebi-ct would
he obtained by the introduction of these words, and as
he thought the present preamble wits amply sufficient to
meet the purposes of the Bill, he should certainly vote
against the amendment.
Mr. NAPIER said the oath in the Act of 1829 had
been originally taken from the 13th and 14th of George
111. in Ireland. The distinction between the oaths taken
by Protestants and Roman Catholics had been made to
relieve the conscientious scruples of the latter; but the
amendment proposed by the Ron. Member for Midherst
neither touched nor created any doubt which any Hon.
Member might feel, but would rather have the effect of
dispelling doubt. Nuw although a good deal of time
might besaid to have been oinsumed in those discussionv,
be could not think it ought to be considered wasted if
they could at last come to a clear understanding on that
Bill.—(Hear.) The opinion of Sir Edward Sugden, re-
lative to those oaths, expressed at a public meetin in
Surrey, he conceived was sufficiently explenatery g
, an
coming from such an authority, that opinion could not be controverted (The Hon. Member here read art ex-
tract from the speech in question, in which there was
contrast drawn between the two °whs.) In the Act re-
gulating the diplomatic relations with Rowe the Duke
of Welliugton had been careful to introduce a proviso
preserviug all the original Acts in their integrity, by
which the powers of the sovereignty of this coun-
try wi re secured. With respect to the title of head of
the Church, that had bei-n ohj-tred to by Elizabeth.
The spkcial statute of Henry VIII. had never been
in force in Iceland, although the common law still
preserved the right to the Sovereign. There ought to
be no contusion about the meaning of the present
Act—no tnisunderstalidibg whatsoever relative to it.
lie thought there was no substantial difference between
the words aid the principle din the amendment
of the Hou. aid Learned Member for Melburst and the
preamble of the Government; but the Hon. MettiVr's
etnelichnent had this advantage, that it was not framed
for another Acr.—(Elear.) The Hon. Member's amend-
ment aso poiteel t a particular elLece which was set
Out distinctly. There was, howrer, 110 principle in the
Government
preamble or other parts of the Bill of the

e hieh was not contained in the womb of the ancient
constitution of this eountr—
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL r
sa)
id he would make
only one observation in reply to the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman. It would seem that some doubt had been
raised by the Act of 1829 as to the power possessed
by foreign princes or potentates. Now he (the Attor-
ney-General) would admit of no such doubt. Ho could
not agree with the Hon. Member for Mayo on that
point. He denied that there could be any doubt as to
the constitutional declaration which was required to be
made, and therefore he could not see why they should
introduce into the preamble of the Bill anything which
would admit that there were doubts on the subj. ct. If
there was no substantial' difference, as the •Hon. and
Learned Member for the University of Dublin said, be-
tween the proposed amendment and the preamble
as it stood, why introduce into that preamble some-
thing unneces, eces .
vary that might be offttheive to the Roman
Catholics? That was not the act of a part of the Le -
gielature, but the united act of the entire body, com-
posed as it was of Roman Catholics as well as Protes-
tants, He would therefore put it to his Hon. and
Learned Friend whether it was worth his while to in-
troduce words which might hurt the feelings of his
Roman Catholic fellow-countrymen, and be of no use to
the B,ll?—(Hear.)
Mr. MOORE explained that what he intended to say,
and did say, was, that many believed the Act of 1829
was meant as a recognition by this country that Roman
Catholics might, without any infringement of their
loyalty, believe in the Pope's spiritual authority in this
kingdom.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. GRATTAN said the cause of all the confusion in
which they were involved was this—that they were at-
temp+ g to legislate as a Protestant Parliament, upon
Protestant principles, for a Roman Catholic people. At-
tempts had been made to do the same, which had sig-
nally failed, by men of greater eminence than those who
now made the attempt. For his part he regretted that
the Government had involved themselves in such a mea-
sure as that they were then discussing. At all events
the se stem of legislation which they were pursuing to-
wards Ireland would, ere long, reduce it to such a con-
dition that few would wish to live in the country, and it
would be hardly worth retaining as a possession of the
Crown.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For Mr. Walpole's amendment
Against it ••• 131
... .• ...
Majority against the. ... 140
amendment .-
Mr. WALPOLE said the preamble,
as. it then stood,
contained no distinct statement of the proceeding against
which the Bill was spr Malty directed.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he thought that in the pre-
amble, as it stood, there was quite enough to show what
was the reason for the introduction of the measure.
Mr. WALPOLE said that the preamble contained no
distinct statement of the illegality of the
should therefore move, at the end of the brief. He
reamle, the
following worde:—" And also to constitutep within these
realms, contrary to the laws and customs thereof, a
hierarchy of bishops named from sees, and with titles
derived from places within these realms."
Lora J. RUSSELL said he believed it might be easily
understood that it was intended to erect such sees, and
he could therefore see no necessity fur the introduction
of that areeedmente
Mr. DISRAELI said he thought that nothing in the
Act should he learned by implication. He believed that
the proposed amendment would effect a necessary im-
provement in the preamble.
Toe Committee then divided, and the numbers were—
For the amendment... ...
Against it ... 117
... ... ... Majority against the amendment 141---24
The question having then been put, that the preamble
should stand part of the Bill,
The Committee divided, and the numbers were—
For the motion
...
••• ..„ 200
Against it ...
...
•••
••• 39
Majority for the motion ... —l6l
The House the,, resumed amidst considerable cheers
and laughter from the supporters of the Bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL said lee proposed to take the con-
sideration of the report on Ftiday ; and on Thursday
he would take a Ceretnittee of Supply.
THE OATH OF ABJURATION (JEWS) BILL.
The [tithe having resolved itself into a Committee on
this Bill, Mr. BERNAL in the chair, Sir R. 11 INGLIS said, that elcheugh his objection
to the principie of the Bill remained uealtered, he had
no amendment to urge against its details in Committee;
and he should not, therefore, occupy their time by any
protracted disonseion upon that occasion.
The first clause, which is also the only clause in the
Bill, having been put,
Mr. PLUMPTRE said he should follow the course
taken by his Hon. Friend the Member for the Univer-
sity of Oxford, and not divide the House in that stage
of
the Bill. A majority of only 25 Members in a
House of nearly 40u had affirmed the Principle of the
measure; and he trusted that that fact would not be lost
sight of in another place. He protested against, the Bill
as most painful and offensive to the people of this Chris-
tian couutry.
Mr. WALPOLE was understood to say that thill
would place the Jews in a more favourable position thans B
Roman Catholics with reference to their capacity to hold
various important t ffices.
Colonel SIBTHORP said the Bill would render neces-
sary more special arrangements with respect to Satur-
day sittings and the reading of prayers in the House.
He did not believe the Noble Lord at the head of the
country.
Gevernment cared one farthing for the religion of the
Sir R. INGLIS thought the Committee were entitled
to some explanation from the Government with refer.
enee to the point raised by the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber for Midhurst (Mr. Walpole). The SOLCITOR-GENERAL said the exclusion of
Roman Catholics from certain offices did noterest on re-
ligious, but simply on political grounds. Th course of
legislation had recognised it as an established principle
that attachment to particular religious opinions as a
matter of conscientious belief should not operate as an
exclusion from civil privileges. The reason why Roman
Catholics were excluded from certain °aloe was, there-
fore, he repeated, purely political, The Crrown, by the
Act of Settlement, must be vested in one who was not a
Roman Cathelic. A Roman Catholic could not pre-
sent to a living, but a Jew could. A Jew was entitled
to all the privileges of a British subject, and
was only excluded from Parliament by as accident. A
case involving the right of Jews to present to a living
came once before
London Lord Eldon. A living in the city of
, which was elective, b came vacant, and the
question arose whether Jews htd a right to vote in the
election; and it was decided that Jews had the right,
though Roman Catholics heel not.
Mr. HUME thought the Noble Lord entitled to great
credit for having brought this subject forward again and
again, and hoped he would press it forward, fur it was
only an act el justice.
Mr. NAPIER said the Ron. and Learned Solicitor-
General had oteservt-d that the exclusion of the Jews from
Parliament was owing to the accidental insertion of cer-
tain words in an Act of Parliament, but these very
words showed that the Legtstature of that time assumed
every Member of the House to be a Christian.—(Cheerie)
They had for months been contending for the e.irthly
supremacy of their Sovereign Lady the Queen; but here
was a Bill ceiling in questiun the sovereigety ot our Lord
and Saviour.
Lord J. RUSSELL said there was no doubt that they
were perfectly right in doing everything they could to
promote the Christian religion arid spread Christianity
over the earth, but he much doubted whether Christianity
would derive any force irons civil per,ectvion—(Hear,
hear)—n it appeared to him that to exclude from i !Lie
and the L-gislature loyal subjects of her Majesty on ac-
count of their relietous opieions was a species of
nertocution not colifortuabie with the principles of
Christiainiy•
Mr. NE WDEGATE asked, whether in the election of
clergymen to the cures of this country it would be de-
cent or fit to invest with any auttiorey those who rejected
Christiaeity from its
iviesver tounda ht? They might de-
pend upon it that if Bill should pass a great change
in the feeling of the people of this country towards that
House would inevitably follow.
Mr. REYNOLDS denied that there was any proof of
the existeuce of that fading to which the Hon. Member
had referred. Where were the petitions and publio
meetings to protest against the admission of the Jews ro
Parliament? Iti Ireland, he could answer for it, the
feeling was almost unattimous in favour of the emancipe-
tion of the Jews, and he might observe that out of 37
Roman Catholic Members in that House, all but one had
voted in that side on every divisioe.
Colonel TFIOMPSON thought the oath should be
modified so as to allow a Member to be sworn on the Old
Testament, taking the oath on the true faith of a believer
in the OM Testament.
The Bill then passed through Committee and was
reported, and ordered to be read a third time on Friday
next.
Sir. R. INGLIS expressed a hope that it would not
be brought on at a time when it was impossible to dis-
cuss it.
Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say that be
would not bring it on late at niht.
The House. resumed. g
Tne Court of Chancery and Judicial Committee Bill
was read a second time.
KAFIR WAR.
The adjourned debate on bringing up the report of
the Committee of Supply was then resumed,
Mr. HUME protested against the vote of 300,00 as
the first instalment towards the expenses of the Kafir
war, which in his opinion was attributable to gross mis-
management alone. They were about to amerce this
country in an amount of which they could scarcely form
an estimate, without the lightest advantage either to
this country or the Cape. Re entreated the Noble
Lard at the heed of the Government to review t• dc.
sion to which be had come a few nie ea, :de ne,i;
the letters patent granting a responsible GL)gve'ruarnen2t to
said
v to be
the colonists at the Cane
put in force, Having
said so much it was not his into t
I: way hard that this coutitry should °C;'lolsed
P the vote.
be. It .., upon to
support the expenses of a war ta t
avoi fed if they 123 d a . a might have been
Cape. The Noble w
responsible Government at the
Was altogether mietakeii when
he said that Sir a Lord•.t,
mitt had been thwarted in his mea-
-1 sures h
y those vet; commissioners that he had aPe
'uteri to id him in h•
Pet a is operaeons. On ;he cantrary,
those gentlemen han shown the most excellent spirit in
the en which "hlch they had felt it their duty to t,ke.
The papers wince he le Id in his hand proved that ales,'
four gentlemen, who were elected to fill the vacien-
reversc ..
les in the Lsgishtive Council, took a course the very
eto a hostile one against Sir IL Smith. It
was not, therefore, fair of the Neble Lord to make such
a char*, against these men. He b-li,ved hat 0
those gentlemen were at present in England.t aedtwo so far
froua saying that they were sorry for what they had
done, as the Noble Lord bud stated the) had so ex-
pressed itimuselves, they said, on the contrary, that it
the thing were to be done again they would not take

lany other course than the one they had adopted. Whet
__
were the facts ? The Governor, soon after he hid his
speech upon the table, handed in fourteen reports
upon different matters, amongst which were the
supplemental estimates of 1850, and the estimates ot
1851. Then came the bone of contention. The,_
members referred to said they were not sent
.1
the people to pass any estimates, or to do anything O.
what was necessary to constitute the Government, antl ts
they refused to proceed. Two divisions, therefore, took
place, and these four mensters, finding the Governmentit
determined to persevere, at once retired. To show that
they were right in the course they took, public meetings
were held which approved of the course that had been
taken. There was another point of some importanc-- enamely, the probability of our being freed from the
fur-
ther expense of maintaining the colony es far
as regarded any warfare arising from the pos-
session of that colony.—(Hear, bear.) Public
meetings were held at which a declaration was agreedto defray the expenses of any such wars if a constitution
was granted to them. He entreated the Noble Lord,r
it he had any regard for the state of the colony, for
not to
finances at home, and fur the promotion of
allow any further delay to take place in granting the
colonywere
colony those institutions which, by letters patent,
an
promised them. Ile (Mr. Hume) had prepared
amendment to add to the vote, embodying the heviews.n
peace, not. e
had just expressed; but, for fear he would occasion
any embarrassment to the Government, he would not
press it.
Lord 3. RUSSELL did not know be could add any-
thing to what he had s.id upon a former occasion
to
reference to this subject; but he would endeavour o
make the views of the Government clear upon the points
alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman. The grant of re-
presentative institutions was done in this way. Letters
patent were granted in this country, but they did not
contain any complete details respecting these institu-
tions. They contained a mere outline, which was to be
filled up by the authorities at the Cape; when that out-
line was filled up the representative constitution was
not then immediately to be put in force, but those
details were to be sent back to this country,
together with the ordinances that would be approved
of. These ordinances were to be considered
were
the Government here, and her Majesty's Ministers
to give such advice respecting t
them
as they though
suitable
apapnedned conodnucrihvee toooot
pa-
tent arriving at the Cape was this—Sir Id Smithcolony.
instead 'of filling up the vacancies in the Legislative
Council by the appointment of its own nominees,
thought
occasion
weolflarte these
of e the
letters
wouldCitooeiihe h
give greaterada
certainweightnumber chosen
tothedeliberatbioy election,nsofthe
and thus to form a kind of representation even from the
body through which the new ordinances were to be
framed. Sir H. Smith, it appeared,
was not very fortu-
nate in ttee result of these proceedings. Whatever might
have beer, the motives of the four gendemen to whom he
had alluded, and he (Lord J. Russell) did not mean .in
the slightest degree to
so impugn their motives, they dif-_
tered'considerably from the majority of the Council,
consisting of official members as well as representatives
tor the eastern part of the colony, tbat, without consi-
dering v;hether these differences could be reconciled,
they left. the Council, and the majority were left to deter-
'nine amongst themselves what next was to be done. By
the advice of the law officers of the colony a commission
was constituted, and the proceedings of the Legislative
Council teased. The commission was to consider the
whole or the details in respect to the representation of
the colony. It was evident that any further proceedings
by this body would not lead to the result origins"
contemplated by the Government, because they could
not send. home the ordinances in such a shape
as would
enable the Government here to take them into con-
sideration, and to send them back again for the purpose
of their being put into force. Still less could they have
done What the Hon. Member appsared to think was
practicak de—namely, to
colony respectable constitutior. nen came the ques-
tion eetference to the rcppares4jeannt3a'tdioh:selhieinhafodreeinmade the the conduct of these four gentlemen. He wished to
state that it he Lad given any wrong colour to their mo-
tives—if ho had imputed to them sentiments which they
did not e utertlin, he was exceedingly sorry for having
so repree,ented sheen.—(gear, tear.) The authority from which he spoke was that of Sir 11. Smith himself, who
thought that they had intended to resign before they
actually did so, (The Noble Lord here read extracts
from Sty H. Smith's diapatehes of the 24th September
and the. 30th November. 1850, in confirmation of what
he had Laid.) Sir Andrew Stockenste,m, one of the
tour members alluded to, said it was impossible to pro-
ceed then' with the estimates, or the ordinary business of
the Legislative Council. Now there was nothing
whatever in the constitution to induce them to think
that they were not to take into their consideration
the ordinary business of a legislative council. The
intention was that any ordinance they framed should
be sent back here, and if approved of it was to
form the groundwork of a representative institution.
In the summons for the election of those gentlemen there
was nothing implying that they were to serve only for
the purpose of framing a constitution for the country es
members of the Legislative Council. In the address of
these gentlemen, alluded to, to the Legislative Council, it
stated gnat one of their principal objects was to consider
the formation of a representative constitution. That
clearly implied that it was not to be their whole busie
ness. They, however, thought that they ought not to
consider those estimates, and the whole proceedings of
the Government were brought to a stand. No doubt,
large portion of the colonists were in their favour; but
he believed that there was also a large portion who took
an opposite view altogether. What, at all events, was
clear wits this—that it they had ogreed to proceed with
the immediate business brought before them, and had
drawn op the ordinances and sent them home, they
would, before this time, have received that constitution
they were so desirous of obtaining, and it would be now
say that tihoekshengeHn gentlemen e:cz
in full t.,rce. It was for that reason he was induced to
stlal must regret the course which
however, sorry to hear that they
did not regret the part they had taken in the matter.
Sir Andrew Stockenstrom was, no doubt, a gentleman
who had for many years taken a deep interest in the
affairs of the Cape, of which he was a native. He
(L.;rd J. Russell) had no doubt but that he formed
most co,ascientious opinion of what his duties were. He,
however, thought it was most unfortunate that these four
gentlemen had acted in the manner described. It would
have been much better it they had continued their ser-
vices in the Legislative Council and have submitted to the
majority upon those points. There was great difficulty
in proceeding in the matter here at home, inasmuch as
they heed not before them those official documents upon
which they should proceed. Earl Grey bad very prQ!"
perly instructed the Governor-General fer the time to
form a legislative council which could go on with the
current business of the colony. The case was now sense-
what complicated. As be had before observed, the con-
stitution drawn up was but a mere outline, and could net
be rendered effective until that outline was first filled up
at the Cape, anti afterwards approved of and sanctioned
by her Majesty's Government at home, He regretted
this state of things; he thought it better that a represen-
tative constitution should be in full free at the Cape.
There were, no daunt, great temporary difficulties and
great obstacles in the way of putting a constitution in
force, when the governor, who was to be the chief of
the executive, and many of the inhabitants, who were
necessary fur its eff ciive operation, were now at a
distance defending the frontier from the aggressions
of the enemy. But still be did not think it would
be right that if the war were to continue for an ia•
definite period, the representative institutions should be
withhel i for an indefinite period.—( Hear.) Under such
circumstances a constilutton should be framed according
t est of their judgment. As to the second point of
this gloat subject, he did cot think that the Honourable
Gentletnau had made it quite clear to the iluthe what
the DIV ure of that prop sato!, was which his fritlacts at
the Cape wished to enforce, and to obtain the assent of
this House to. The real fact was that this so-called exten-
sion of the frontier was a move, adopted for the sole pur-
poseoon
ye
of f dtheefeendapineg.
It
thwe
aistinhoatbiftoarntti:
estg
hs
to
ei
ra
colonyeedndeef
evbaneyr nsrd twt t
ha:
es_s
Thereaseeno
tutriopinione trsy
iwasbny t
shtonha
gait
sec
tioo moveeltorhnaeyir:ytahendna advantage ae nbr
tetcoaal
iigeneveeddt
enableoi
fit
hbtaehut
the best mode of protecting the lives and the property of
adoptin
the colonists as the propriety
which was originally proposed by Sir g that course
ljettjarnin d'Urban.
In the former state of things it hem, e
brneradoef irKruapfitriso'ns uplo-nent'h'eY colonistsapp
well furnished with
tthat aweapons
voat!t attack,n
and settlers. At one
who swept all before them,
many as 10,000 Roars,
expectedinvading stbuechcoalnonya,
tatateak, time there
moment when the colonists least
settlers and their and burned and destroyed the
farmhouses, Carrying away the herds and murdering the
fatuities. Sir Benjamin d'urban
beyond the frontier, and
en-
but still as quail' sehri2
approved of ad •
means would
vanctng b
Of descouring to gov
tribes from u. sects to the British Crown, by which
these people through their chiefs,
iovedibee enabled to prevent these savage
the colonists and settlers. That
was the Wan which they h they now adopted. It was not a
question of extension of territory. But Kafraria, said
some of the people at the was territory sepa-
rated from the Cape, which we were bound to defend and
Cape, a _
keep q.utt with the money of Great Britain. He must
say he did not think that that was a very reasonable pro-
Position. It was quite a deception for
them to say, if
we gave them a constitution they would defend their
own constitution from any aggression, and save tbia
country from the expense of maintaining any war. That
offer appeared very tempting, but when we inquired
further into it, it simply meant this, that they would de-
feed that part of the frontier against which there was
no pro,p,ct of aggression, but would leave the country
to defend that part whet e the invading force was likely
to be troublesome and aggressive. That would be
a most unprofitable bargain for us to make. Ilia
hope and belief was, that these differences would
be soon brought to an end. No doubt they ought
to have ripretenta ive institutions, which would
generate greater seed in the promotion of the
interests of the col, ny, and in defending the rights of
the Crown; but, to swat ,ant immediate difficulties, the
Government were compelled to ask ion a vote of money
in order to tarry the colony through its present conic st.
He believed that the Hon. Metnb, r for /Montrose and
himself' had the same end in view,
however they might
differ as to details, and he thought the, time was not far
distant wren they would egret, eve
as to the means to •.
all so much be adopuch desired fed fir bringing abuut those results which thee?
.
The report was then brought up, and the resolution
agreed to.

THE SMITHFIELD MARKET REMOVAL BILL.
Toe
The Gupn rrevt., cas mended, was considered and agretd to.
y.de amended,
CIVIL 'ores Bill went r hrouah Committee.
LULLS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion for the Committee on the Civil Bills
(Ireland) Bill,
Mr. REYNOLDS said there were several amend-
ments on portions of the Bill. lie wished to know what