The Sun.
London, England, 1851-04-01 00:00:00

TAXATION.

If the question were put to seven millions of the inhabi-
tants in the several parishes of this kingdom, whether they
would prefer paying the following direct taxes, instead of
the present indirect taxes, leaving a general free trade—
What reply would be made ? _ _

Produce
1 Million pay 6d. weekly ... £1,300,000
1 Million ls. „ ... 2,600,000
1 Million 18.6 d. „ ... ... 3,900,000
1 Million 2s. „ 5,200,000
1 Million 38. „ ... 7,800,000
1 Million 48. „ 10,4' 0,000
1 Million ss. „ ... 13,000,000

7 Millions in lieu of all taxes ....£44,200,000
21 millions of children and poor would be free, and the
burden light for seven millions.

SOMETHING VERY Coon.—(From a Correspondent.)
An intimation has just been officially given to the inhabi-
tants of St. Clement Danes, Portugal-street, to the relatives
and friends of deceased persons whose remains are buried
beneath this plot of ground, " That a Bill is now before
Parliament for its partial appropriation for the enlargement
of King's College Hospital, and that the said Bill contains
provisions for the disinterment and removal of the dead to
another place of sepulture." Every one will remember the
improvement under George IV., and the agitation that pre-
vailed in the royal parish of St. Martin'e, when whole tons
of human hones were carted away to some distant spot. The
tears shed over the last resting place of the dead is hallowed
and sacred, and he, or those who disturb the ashes that af-
fection has wept upon, and friendship cherished, can be
nothing more than a utilitarian of extreme degree. Can this
ground have been consecrated ? If so, why desecrated ?
Advertiser.

ILLNESS OF THE BISHOP OF CARLISLE.—The
Bishop was seized with sudden indisposition A few days since,
but be bi now entirely recovered.

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Second
Third

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Colchester
Harwich
Leigh .. 304 30 120, 84 43
Maldon 632 130 302 77
CHELMSFORD, MARCH 28.—Prices to-day were as follow:
Wheat, white, old 42s to 475; new 41s to 47s ; red, old

CHELMSFORD, MARCH 28.—Prices to-day were as follow:
Wheat, white, old 42s to 475; new 41s to 475; red, old
36s to 42s ; new, 36s to 41s ; barley, 25s to 29s ; chevalier
21s to 295; grinding 18s to 245; oats 15s to 20s; malt 53s
to 55s ; chevalier 54s to 56s ; peas, partridge, new 27s to
295; old, —s to —s ; white, new, 26s to 28s ; old, —s to —s;
dun, new, 26s to 28s; beans, tick, new 24s to 26s ; old, 24s
to 27s ; harrow ticks, new 25s to 27s ; old 00s to 00s; ma-
zagan, new 231 to 25s ; old 00s to 00s per qr.
COLCHESTER, MARCH 29.—Wheat, white 42s to 465; red 36s
to 425; barley 22s to 28s; beans, mazagan 22s to 245; middle
and small 24s to 28s ; peas 26s to 28s per qr.
HADDINGTON, MARCH 28.—The following are the prices of
grain at our market to-day :
Wheat. I Barley. Oats.
... 42s Od 29s Od 21s Od
_ _

... 38s 3ci I Od 198 3d
34s Od 18i 6d I 188 Od

Beang.
29s 0,1

953 6d
213 0,1

. .
Total quantity of Wheat in market 473 qrs.,. 4UO sold
Do. Barley do. 316 qrs., 261 sold
Do. Oats do. 328 qrs., 305 sold
Do. Beans do. 192 qrs., 169 sold
KIRKALD; MARCH 29.—The following are the quotations
for grain : a
Wheat. Barley. Oats. Beans. Peas.
I
First 43s Od 26s 6d 21s Od —s Od —s Od
Second 403 Od 23s 6d 20s Od —s Od I—s Od
Third 34s Od 19s 6d 17s Od —s Od I—s tad
Oatmeal, per bag of 2801bs imperial, 26s Od to 27s Od.
GLASGOW, MARCH 26.—Provisions—Cheese, 33s to 42s Od
per cwt ; retail, 5d to 6d per lb. Skim milk, 20e Od to Os per
cwt. Country fresh butter, lld to Od per lb. Irish pow.
dered, in lumps, 10d to lOid ; country powdered, wholesale, 8d
to Od. Country eggs, 8d per dozen ; carried hen ditto, 4s 10d
per 120, or 6d per dozen. Hens, 2s 9d per pair ; Ducks,
2s 6d. _ . _ _ _

FALKIRK, MARCH 27.—The supply of grain in this day's
market was 762 bolls; wheat at 17s Od to 20s Od per boll ;
barley, 16s 6d to 18s 6d ; oats, 12s Od to 14s 6d; beans, 13s Od
to 14s 6d per boll ; oatmeal, Os to Os per load.
Plans, MARCH 28.—Wheat, old, Oh Od to Os Od; ditto,
new, 36s to 40s ; barley, new, 19s Od to 21s Od ; oats, 13s to
17s ; peas and beans, 22. Od to 24. per quarter. Oatmeal,
per sack, 00s to 288.
KxLso, MARCH 28.—Wheat, old, 00. to 00s; ditto, new, 25s
to 31s Od ; barley, new, 17. Od to 20s Od ; ditto old, Os to Os;
potato oats, 00s to 00s Od ; ditto new, 13s to 15. Od ; common
oats 00s Od to 00s Od; ditto new, 12s to 148 Od ; peas, 201 Od
to 21s Od; beans, 19s to 20. per boll of six imperial bushels.
HAwicK, MARCH 27.—Wheat, new, 29s to 30. Od; barley,
new, 18s to 20s 6d ; ditto old, 16s Od to 17s Od ; potato oats,
12s Od to 14s Od ; common oats, 11s 6d to 13. ; peas, 19. Od
to 22. Od; beans, 19s Od to 21s Od per boll of six imperial
bushels.

BERWICK, MARCH 27.—Wheat, 36s Bid; barley, 22s sid ;
oats, 19s 40 ; rye, OOs Od ; beans, 26s 8d ; peas, OOs Od
average per imperial quarter.

COAL MARK E'
Buddle's W. Hartley 14s Od
Carr's Hartley ..... 14s Od
East Adairs Main lls 6
North Percy Hartley 13s 6a,
ranfield Moor Butes 13s 9d
Walker's Primrose l2s Oo
West Hartley
Howard's W. H. Neth l4s Ou
Wylam
Wall's End, &c. _ . _

Acorn Close
Bewicke and Co.
Gosforth .
Northumberland
Riddell
Eden Main .. 143 9dl
Bell
Braddyll
Hetton
Ships at m

—Y EST Z RD AY .
Haswell lss 9d
Lambton
Richmund ...... 15s Od
Russell's Hetton
Stewart's
Whitwell
Denison l4s 3d
Hartlepool lss 9d
Kelloe.. ......... 15s 3d
South Kelloe ... 14s 9d
South Hartlepool
IThorn ley
iWest Kelloe
(Seymour Tees
;Tees
West Cornforth
Cowpen Hartley
IHartl
Deep Vey ein Milford
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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, Marchl3l.

APPELLATE JURISDICTION OF THE HOUSE
OF LORDS—CHANCERY REFORM.
(Continued from our Third Edition.)

Earl GREY said, that nothing could be more inaccu-
rate than to say that the Lord Chancellor had not an-
swered the question. He had acswered the question,
and given a very good reason why the Bill should be
introduced into the Commons instead of into their Lord-
ships' House.—(Hear, bear.) He (Earl Grey) would add
another reason to that which had been stated by his
Noble and Learned Friend, and that was, that the pros-
pect of successful legislation was greater in a vast ma-
jority of instances when Bills were first introduced into
the House of Commons than when they originated in
their Lordships' House.—(Hear, hear.) If he was not
mistaken'he had heard the Noble and Learned Lord op-
posite express a similar opinion. With regard to the
irregularity of their Lordships' proceedings, he believed
that what had been said by the Noble Lord (Lord
Brcugham) was too true, and he believed that the irre-
gularity to which he had referred—viz., that of discuss-
ing questions not before the House, dated from the time
the Noble and Learned Lord became a Member of the
House.—(Laughter.) He denied also that the Noble and
Learned Lord on the woolsack had disclaimed any share
in the preparation of the Bill. The fact was that his Noble
and Learned Friend could not have said so, because, with-
out betraying any secrets, he (Lord Grey) would say that
the Bill bore at least as much the impression of his Noble
and Learned Friend's mind as that of any other person's.
He was surprised to hear the Noble and Learned Lord
opposite (Lord Lyndhurst) speak of the ecclesiastical
patronage of the Lord Chancellor as requiring little time.
If that duty were properly done it was one which ought
to occupy a very large portion of time, whoever it was
to whom the duty was intrusted. There was an obvious
and clear advantage, however, in the whole ecclesiastical
patronage of the Crown being concentrated in one hand;
and, as a large proportion of it was necessarily in the
hand of the Prime Minister, there was a clear economy
of time in placing the whole of it in his hand.—(Hear.)
Lord LYNDHURST asked whether it was true that
it was proposed to give a discretionary power to the
appeal Judges of the Court of Chancery, to prevent an
appeal from their decisions to their Lordship's House?
The LORD CHANCELLOR replied, that it had been
under consideration whether appeals in matters of prac-
tice should not be restrained, but they were found to have
been so few that it was not deemed worth while legis-
lating upon that point. There was therefore no such
clause in the Bill.
Lord REDESDALE suggested an important altera-
tion in the appellate jurisdiction of their Lordships'
House. Their Lordships were aware that all inquiries
respecting the Peerage were carried on in that House by
a Committee of Privileges. Their Lordship; delegated
their judicial powers to the Committee, and it sat in the
House. The Committee reported its decision to the
House, and the House confirmed it. Here, then, was an
ancient practice of judicial inquiry on oath before the
House. Why, upon this precedent, should not an ap-
pellate Committee be framed? There was no constitu-
tional objection to such a Committee tatting after the
prorogation of Parliament. It might also be found ad-
visable to transfer to this Committee all other appellate
jurisdiction, so as to constitute the Committee a great
court of appeal. This would tend to diminish expense,
because appeals might be brought directly before the
Committee, instead of going previously to another
tribunal, as frequently happened now. It appeared that
the Government Bill had not yet been introduced into
the Commons, and it was probable, looking to the state
of business before that Assembly, that it would not
reach their Lordships before July or August, when it
would be impossible the measure could receive the con-
sideration which its importance demanded. It appeared
to him that the present discussion was neither ill-timed
nor disorderly, and he hoped the Lord Chancellor would
be prepared to submit a measure to the House at an
early period respecting the appellate jurisdiction.
Lord BROUGHAM protested in the most decided
manner against the Noble Baron's proposition for re-
moving all appellate jurisdiction to that House. The
Court of Appeal of the Privy Council had given un-
mixed satisfaction to the profession, the bench, and
suitors, both in this country and the colonies. The
Lord Chief Justice of the Queen's Bench, some years
ago, attempted to do something like what the Noble
Baron recommended, but the attempt was at once dis-
sipated by a powerful and unanswerable statement made
by his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Lyndhurst).
Here the conversation ended.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM presented some petitions against
Papal aggression.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 31.
THE ARMY ESTIMATES.

The House then went into a Committee of Supply.
On the motion that 3,521,0701. be granted for the
payment of the land forces,
Mr. HUME said that he hoped before the session was
closed, although the vote was passed, that an opportu-
nity would be given of reconsidering all the appoint-
ments of the several corps in the way of clothing and
other affairs. He wished the vote to be taken on ac-
count, for one million less.
Mr. F. MAULE should have no objection to the
course proposed by the Hon. Gentleman if ho could see
his way clear, but he was afraid, if he adopted the sug-
gestion of the Hon. Gentleman, they would not be able
to get through the estimates this year.
Mr. MO WATT wished to have some explanation as to
the course which the Horse Guards intended to pursue in
reference to the colonies. New South Wales, for in-
stance, had received notice that the troops would be with-
drawn from that colony, and any future force the colony
might require it would have to pay fur itself. Now, as the
same course was to be applied to other colonies, he
should be glad to know why they could not reduce the
army estimates, without in any way impairing the efli.
ciency of the home service ?—(Hear, hear.) He cm_
plained bitterly of the manner in which the Noble
Lord at the head of the 6Governmeat stopped the di.cus:
sion en Friday night, and declared that should another
Ministerial crisis arise he should be the first to desert
from the Noble Lord's ranks.—(Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL was at a loss to know to what the
Hon. Gentleman referred. The fullest opportunity was
given for discussion on Friday night, While his Right
Hon. ' Friend the Secretary at War entered into a
lengthened explanation of the reductions that were pro'
posed to be made in the army estimates, and be really
could not understand what cause there was for complaint.
Mr. MO WATT repeated that the Noble Lord did his
utmost to stop the discussion on Friday.
After some observations from Sir DE: LACY ETArts
and Mr. Fox MAULE,
Mr. HUME asked whether the time had not come
when, if they found it necessary to have 98,000 men,
they should not reduce the expense of maintaining them
to the smallest possible amount? There
_wa3 an

officer to every eight men, whose only duty wet to
dress himself, parade, and go to court. The aristocracy
had a great influence in hes ping up such a system, and it
would never be abolished unless the House interfered.
There were 15,000 household troops out of the 98,000,
whose services were never called into use except on great
occasions. The way in which the 15,000 troops
were treated was unjust to the rest, the majority
of whom did duty abroad, and were subjected
to great risks and privations. He thought the
army ought to be entirely remodelled—that the
service of all the troops ought to be universal,
and no pct array allowed to remain at home and share
all honours without having done anything to entitle
them to those honours.

Mr. VERNON SMITH thought the Hon. Member
had wandered from the subject before the House. He
deprecated the system of taking votes on account,
because it often happened that when the other half was
proposed to be tken, it was too late to enter on the
discussion of the subject. He understood that his Right
lion. Friend (Mr. Fox Maule) only proposed to take
those votes which wire absolutely necessary to-day.
Mr. F. MAULE said it was his intention to proceed
with the army estimates to-night in the usual way. He
agreed that the system of taking votes on account was
objectionable, and tended to stifle discussion. He dif-
fered from the Hon. Member for Montrose with respect
to the household troops. He regarded them as part and
parcel of the state and royalty of the kingdom, and they
ought to be maintained on that account. But they were
also a guard over a metropolis full of wealth of all kinds.
He believed the rest of the army, if they had the choice,
would not seek a routine of duty which included the me-
tropolis. The pay of_the officers of the Guards was *
trifle higher than that of the officers of the line; but then
no barracks were allowed them, and they had to find their
own lodging, One very good reason for not bringing
regiments of the line to do duty in London was, that the
men were not acclimated.—(oh.) It had been found
whenever regiments of the line had been brought to
London that they lost infinitely more men than the
Guards, who were in the habit of doing duty in the me-
tropolis. It was not true that the Guards were never
sent out of London. They had formed part of the (ape-.
ditions to Portugal, to Canada, and were called on al-
ways in an emergency. He believed there was not a finer
body of men in the world.—(Hear.)
Mr. HUME never intended to cast any reflection en
the Guards. All he meant to say was, that the troops
of the line were as good soldiers as the Guards. It was
absurd to say that the Guards were the only troops who
could protect the metropolis.—(Hear.)
Colonel REID rose amid cries of "Divide." He
said the number of officers in the Guards was not greater
than in the troops of the line. With respect to the
officers of the array generally, it might be said, consider-
ing the sums which they paid for their commissions,
and the interest of their money, that they served the
State gratuitously.—(Hear, and Divide.)
Mr. WILLIAMS said be also had an amendment to
propose, which he was not sure whether he could then
move or not.

The CHAIRMAN asked the Hon. Member for Mona
trose whether ho proposed to withdraw or press his
motion?

Mr. HUME said he would persevere in his motion
that money be only voted on account.—(Hear.)
Mr MO WATT hoped they would get some little in.,
formation with respect to New Sauth Wales and Ca•
nada. With respect to the former place, he believed it
would be the greatest boon that could be conferred on
the colony to take away every soldier from it. In that
case we should be obliged to give them the management
of their own affairs.

Mr. F. MAULE said his Noble Friend the Noble
Earl at the head of the Colonial.office (Earl Grey) had
stated that the number of troops in New South Wales
should be reduced to the lowest number possible, and
such as were deemed sufficient to protect the country;
but if the colony required any more, that it should be
at their own expense. He did not think the Hon. Gene
Heinen spoke the sentiments of the people of New South
Wales when he suggested the entire withdrawal of
troops therefrom.—(Hear.) It was not the intention
of Government to reduce the number of troops in Canada.
Colonel DUNNE complained of the number of officers
of the higher grade who were enrolled in the Guards in
comparison to the regiments of the line. He conceived
the superior advantages possessed by the household
troops in pay and otherwise was an injustice to the other
branches of the service. The Hon. and Gallant Meta'
her went into a statistidal detail of the emoluments in pay,
from stock purses, hospital allowances, and other
sources possessed by officers of a ceptain rank in the
Guards, and contrasted that with the position of officers
of the ine, contending that the former had a consider.
able advantage over the latter. He did not see how his
Right Hon. and Gallant Friend the Secretary-at-War
(Mr. F. Maule) could say the Guards were a "cheap
corps;" he thought them a very expensive corps.
Mr. MACGREGOR only wished to make a few ob'
servations on a financial point of view. When such
large sums were voted, and the people of this country
called upon to meet them by heavy taxation, it became
them to see that the expenditure was as economical as
possible. Yet there was no means of reducing that ex'
penditure except by the mode pointed out by the Hon.
Member for Montrose. Now, with respect to Canada,
all the men they could send there would not keep that
place loyal if the people themselves were not disposed to
be so. There was a militia there of no less than 120,000
men, all of whom were as good shots as any in the Bri•
tish army. The few men, therefore, whom we had there
scattered up and down throughout the country, were
principally useful in serving as a military example to the
militia of the colony. He thought also, a few hundred
men would do in New South Wales. As to the Kafir
war, he believed many of the inhabitants of the colont
were more favourable to it than otherwise, on account 01
the increased expenditure which it would cause. Aa to
Ireland, he could not see why there should be a greater
number of troops there, in proportion to the numbeS
of the inhabitants, than there was in Scotland. If
Ireland were properly governed and treated with
justice, they would want no army there. He did not
see why his Hon. Friend the Member for Montrose (Mr.
Hume) should divide the House on that occasion. IS
was sure to lie carried against him.—(Hear.) If there
was one thing which that Home did more rashly than
another, it was in voting away the people's money; how'
ever, he hoped there would be greater care hereafter 10
the expenditure of the army, and that all proper economf
would be put in practice.
Mr. HUME said, upon looking at the amount pro'
posed, he could not believe that the military expendi'
cure of the country for the year would be so large as it
was set down; he had therefore moved that the moue/
be voted on account, and he should persevere in his mo-
tion, however sorry he might be to put the House to of
inconvenience.—(Hear, and Divide.)
Colonel LINDSAY could not allow the statements of
the Hon. and Gallant Member opposite (Col. Duane)
with respect to the alleged superior advantages of the
Guards over the line to go forth to the public nn'
controverted. There was no such advantages of emo-
lument possessed by the former over the latter as had
been stated. At the time their rank had been given to
the Guards, there had been but 17 regiments in our
army, and out of these no less than 11 were raw recruits
hastily raised to meet the rising of the Duke of Mon'
mouth. When once a person entered the army he was aware
of those peculiarities of the Guards, and therefore it
should not be called a grievance at all. With respect to
their hospital arrangements, there was nothing of profit
in those, but rather the reverse; he would give, as 50
instance, that his corps engaged a building at the et'
pense of 1,0001., which they contributed themselves, and
they could only have it for 12 years, when they should
be at additional expense. Of that the State had not been
asked to pay one penny.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. and
Gallant Member also went into a detailed account of the
different items of pay to respective ranks, to show that
there was not such a discrepancy as had been
leged."-(Hear, hear, and Divide.)

Colonel ESTCOURT would pass over the condition
of the commissioned officers, but wished to call the at'
tention of the House to the pay of sergeants in the arraY•
According to the good-conduct warrant, introduced by
his lien. Friend the Member for South Wilts, every pri.,
vats received Id. additional to his pay after five years
service, and 2d. after ten years, when he might be pro'
rooted to be a corporal. But supposing a man promoted to
be a sergeant he received is. 10d. a day, but all big
good-conduct pay ceased. Now should that man prove
unfortunate and be reduced to a commoner in the ranks
again, be only received Is. a day, while, if a corporal,
for some minor offence was reduced, he still received his
good-conduct additional pay along with his Is. a day-
Such he considered a great injustice in the working of S
system which was otherwise good.—(blear, and divide.)
Colonel DUNNE, in explanation, said all he had corn'
plained of was, that there was not the same proportion
of officers in the Guards and in the line. With respect
to the expenses of hospitals, he thought the Government
ought to pay that.—(Hear, hear, and cries of "Divide.")
Mr. F. MAULE rose to address the Committe, but
sat down without doing so. as several Hon. Member.
stood up at the same time.

Mr. HENLEY said he wished to put a question to
the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary at War, with
reference to a sum of money ineluded, as he (Mr,
Henley) supposed, in the amount of 94,0004 which had
been paid into benefit societies abolished by an Act
which had been passed about 18 months ago. Re
wished to ask the Right lion. Gentlemon whether the
number of depositors which appeared in the paper he
held in his hand included those persons who had an into'
rest in the benefit societies? He would suggest that a
might be well to prodace for the future some account
showing how the benefit money had been disposed of.
Mr. F. MAULE said that, according to the return
for the year 1850, the number of depositors in the sa-
vings banks had been 7,859, and the amount deposited
had been 94,9611; but that return comprehended neither
those interested in benefit societies nor the funds be-
longing to them. The money belonging to the benefit
societies was lodged in the public funds, and was
administered on the recommendation of the corn'
minding officers, with the consent of the Se
cretary at War. He could have no desire
to conceal the manner in which the funds had been dis-
posed of, and he should be quite ready to give an annual
account of the way in which they bad been expanded.
With regard to the remarks which had been made on the
position of the sergeants, ho had to observe that that ivas
a point of very considerable importance, for it was one
which related to the interests of a most meritorious class
in the British army. 'Various complaints had been made
of the treatment of the sergeants, and some of those
complaints he was disposed to think were well founded,
while others were not so well founded in his opinion. It
should be remembered that many of the sergeants had
been but a few years in the army when they bad beau
raised to that rank, and that, after having attained it,
they might become sergeant-majors; and as sergeant:
majors were every year being promoted to the rank of
ensigns, the highest positions in the army afterwards
become open to them. It had been alleged that the ser•
geants were subject to a higher charge for messing,
clothing, and other items of elenditure than the or!