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IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN

SOUSE Of PEERS,
YRIDAY, JVNE IS.
TEE farther hearing of the Scotch Appeal, Harlaw and
others, v. The governors of the Merchant Maiden Hospital,
Edinburgh, and others, was postponed till• Monday. -
Counsel were heard in continuation, relatiye to the Scotch
Appeal, Lashleys.v. Hog, namely, Mr. Romilly, at consi-
derablelength on the part of the Respondents; after which
their 'Lordships deterred the ftirther !leafing of the Case till
Tuesday. •
A considerable number of Bills were brought. up from the
Commons, chiefly by Mr. ALE x. p;pER, and among the
Public Bills presented were, the Exchequer Loan Bills, the
Land Tax Redemption Bill, the National Debt Bill, the
Illicit GaineS Prevention Bill, and the Tortola Free-port
Bill :—these Bills were, in the course of the evening, seve,
rally read a first time.
Mr. QuAgz.l.E, Deputy Usher of the Black Rod, appeared
at the Bar, and stated, that the Commons were waiting for
the appointed conference with their Lordships in the Painted
Chamber. Accordingly a Deputation, consisting of the fol-
lowing Peers, wire, on the m ...ot.on of Lord WALS
appointed to manage the Conference on the part of their
Lord Ships (which was relative to the Amendments made by
the latter to the Militia Augmentation Bill), namely, the
Duke of NOR rOLK, the Earls of ESSEX, RADNOR, . AR-
NArivoN, Firzwi.t.LlANt, and ROSLIN, and Lords Ho-
p AR. r, AUCKLAND, PELIW,S, and DUNDA S. In about
ten minutes the Deputation returned, and the Duke of Nos-
FOLK brought with him the Militia Bill, and also a Paper
containing the communication made on the subjeet by the
Managers on the part of the Commons, which were laid on
the Table.-1t was then ordered, on the Motion of Lord
HO3A a T, that the reasons assigned by the Commons, for not
agreeing to the Amendments made in the said Bill by their
Lordships, be taken into consideration on Monday next.
Mr. OWEN, frOm the East India House, presented certain
Accounts from the Company, directed to be laid before Par-
liamedt ; as did also an Officer from the Land Tax Commis-
sioners, certain Accounts front their Department.
The Expences of the Aliens Office, for a given period, was
laid upon the Table, pursuant to a late Address of their
Lordships.
After some routine business was disposed of,.
their Lordships proceeded to the Order of the Day,
which was for the consideration of a Motion for
the gepeal of the 129th Standing Order of the
House, which relates to the Pedigrees of Peers, &c.
The question was put, that the said Order be
repealed. After a short pause,
The Earl of SUFFOLK rose, and expressed his
surprize that the Noble and Learned Lord who
proposed the Motion, did not assign his reasons for
it in the first instance : for his parr, he thought
the Order a very salutary regulation, which the
experience of more than thirty' years had proved.
In illustrating these positions, he particularly ad-
verted to his own family, and specified the great
utility of having specifications of pedigrees before
the House : he was descended frcitn the 7th son of a
former Earl of Berkshire ; his' own father died
during the Expedition to Carthagena, while he
himself was only two years old ; he of course had
no personal knowledge of him : and it was extraor-
dinary that his father was in the same predicament
with respect to his grandfather, the latter being
lost in the Swallow man of war, while the former
was an infant. In his own particular case, he nar-
rowly escaped death, while on
.duty, as we under-
stood his Lordship, in America, a 'Mutineer having
'presented a rifle w his breast ; he however relented,
and did not put him to death. What situation then
would his son and heir be in, with respea to proof
of pedigree, did not Peers enjoy the benefit of this
Order ? On adverting to this point, his Lordship
was so overcome by his paternal feelings, that he
was unable to proceed, and melted into tears—(his
eldest son, the late Lord ANDOVER, being not
long since accidentally killed by the discharge of a
gun).—He conjured their Lordships to bear with
the state of his feelings prevented him from
proceeding farther than merely to say, he hoped
the House would not hastily rescind an Order which
had been produaive of much benefit.
Lord I'iIURLW observed, that he . had on a
for Mer night plainly stated his objedions to the
general tendency of the Order.—The Order con-
sisted of three parts : to that, which related to the
proceedings adverted to by the Noble Earl, he had
no objection, that-it should stand ; in some other
shape, it may be useful; hut his great objeaion
was to the cilia of the remaining parts, which
went to the trial, or rather consideration of a
case before .a jurisdiction which was not com-
petent to its decision. —He likewise adverted
to the opportunities afforded under the order
of proceedings, which may be injurious to parties
concerned, and who could not possibly be present
to assert their own rights ; and to the efe.
lea which such proceedings might have in other
quarters, where, however, they could not be re.
ceived as legal evidence : it was on these grounds,
principally, that he wished the Order not to re-
main in its present shape.
The Duke of NORFOLK made a variety of ob-
servations in support of the Order. He supported
what had fallen from his Noble Friend (SUFFOLK,)
and stated .some cases in which its utility, was ob_
vious, particularly that pf •Lord Willoughby
of Parham, a junior branch of which House
sat as Peers, until by means of the Order in
question, the error was rectified. It had stood
on their Books for thirty-two years, experience
lied proved its utility, and it had the sanction
of some of the ablest and most respeaable Peers that
ever sat in that House, as Lords MANSFIELD,
CAMDEN, BATHURST, GRANTLEY, &c. On the
whole, and more especially when he considered the
late period of the Session, he thought it would be
advisable to let the matter stand over till the next
Session, when at an early period it may be referred
to the Committee of Privileges.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took up the sub_
jea at some length, and principally in a legal point
of view, in winch he contended with reference to
what was spoken on a former night upon the sub-
jea, that nine-tenths of what passed under the Order
could nut be received as legal evidence any where;
and this on a due consideration of the proviso con-
tained in it, seemed to be the opinion of. the framers
of the Order themselves, as it stated that nothing
done under its sanction should bar the legal rights
of parties, &c. He agreed with much of what had
fallen from his Noble and Learned Friend, but
though the proceedings could not be admitted as
legal evidence, they may operate injurioustly with
resped to the parties, in the particular case which
gave rise ,to the present discussion ; and so, our of
doors, they may be- clamorously told.---The Noble
end Learned Lord on the whole, seemed to express I
himself in favour of the Motion.

The Earl of RAngoß's °Nervations upon the-
sybjed, principally related to what had taken place
on the particular case (Earl-BEnKELEy's), respe&-
ing which, he thought, their Lordships aLed with
propriety in
.putting a stop to the proceedings in a
former Session.

The Earl of RO.SL I N entered into some details
relative to the effeCts of the Order, and in the cases
cited by his Lordship was that of Narbonne Berke-
ley, Baron of Bottetourt : on the whole, the Noble
Earl seemed inclined to favour the Motion.
Lord AUCKLAND, in the course of his obser-
vations upon the suhjel, seemed for the adoption of
a middle course. He thought the Order might
very advantageously be new,modelled, and under
that impression would submit whether it would be
best to refer the consideration of the case to the
Committee of Privileges. He,concluded by mov-
ing an Amendment to that ell-di,.
Lord TIIURI.OW spoke at some length in ex-
planation, and principally with a reference to the
legal points conne6ted with the question. In re-
gard to the Order, he seemed to think it would be
best to repeal it, as a preliminary step to explain-
ing why the House declined to proceed under it.
The Duke of NORFOLK also explained, and
seemed to think, that with a reference to what
may affeet the particular case in question, any al-
terations which may be made in the Order should be
made as soon as was convenient.

Lord PELH4AI shortly delivered his sentiments,
and seemed to incline in favour of the Amendment.

7'he Earl of CARNA R1704' spOlse at some length
—and in considering the question, principally re-
ferred to the partiCular case which originally gave
rise to the discussion : on this head, some points
which fell from the Noble Eavl, called up
The LORD CHANCELLOR, who spoke in ex-
planation, but deprecated any further discussion of
the particular subject.

The Earl of CARNARYON explained.
Lord BOLTON shortly delivered his sentiments.

77.2 e Earl of DARNLEY, rather at some length,
supported the Motion, but expressed his opinion
that the subjea should be further considered, with
reference to the particular case ; respeding which,
suffering the proceedings to lie in their present
state, he seemed to think would have an injurious
tendency.
After some farther explanatory conversation be-
tween some of the above mentioned Peers, the
Question was put, on which a division rook place,
when there appeared in favour of the Motion for
repealing the Order, 19
Against it, 13
Majority, .- 6
On our readmission,

,The Lotto CHANCELLOR was on his legs, ad-
dressing a few observations to the House on the
subjea,. He observed, that he had voted for the
Repeal of the Order ; yet, he was of opinion, that
the subjea merited the serious consideration of their
Lordships, and that the earliest opportunity the
next Session of Parliament, would be taken fur the
purpose.

. The Duke of NORFOLK shortly expressed his
hope that that would he the case.

The various Bills before the House were then for-
warded in their respedive stages.
The third reading of the Scotch Militia Bill was
deferred till Monday.

Some private Business was then disposed of, after
which their Lordships adjourned till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS,
FRIDAY, JUNE 18.

THE National Debt Bill, the Little Goes Bill,
the 1,500,000 l Exchequer Bills Bill, and the Lind_
Tax Redemption Bill, were read a third time and
passed.

An Account of the Arrears and Current Balances
of the Customhouse Officers in Scotland, was pre.
sented and ordered to lie on the Table.

On the Motion of Alderman Comae, the ori-•
ginal Minutes of the Committee on the Petition of
the City of London, against the Paddington Mar.
ket, were ordered to be laid on the Table.
Mr. WILBERFORCE said, that he' once in.
tended to have this Session addressed the House On
the subjed of the Slave Trade. He exceedingly,
regretted that circumstances had not offered an op-
portunity of doing so with any effed ; but he was
conscious that this did not proceed from any want
of inclination to do so ; for his sentiments still con-
tinued the same on this subject, and his most ear-
nest desire was, that the House should take such
measures as might prevent the farther and increas-
ing importation of Slaves into our Colonies. In
the present disposition of the House, however, and
at this late period of the Session, he was convinced
that any proposition on the subjel could not be
attended with any desirable consequences ; but if
he should have a place in the future Parliament, he
should certainly bring forward a motion on the
Slave Trade early in the next Session.
Mr. OWEN presented Accounts from the India
House, in conformity to the At of the 33d of His
Majesty.
Mr. WALLACE moved, that an Account of the
East India Company's Stock, by computation, ex-
clusive of their Capital Stock, from March Ist,
1801, to March Ist, 18o2; and also an Account
of all the Goods sold at the East India House dur-
ing-that period, be laid on the Table.—Ordered.'
He then moved, that the Accounts this day pre-
sented by Mr. OWEN, be priril-td for the use of
the Members.—Ordered.

Mr. OWEN presented the Accounts moved for
by Mr. WALLACE.
An Account of the Money advanced by the Re-
ceivers General for the Provisionid Cavalry, and not•
reimbursed, was brought up.
Mr. SHAW LEFEYRE observed, that the Re_
ceivers General, in consequence of the sums they
had formerly advanced not having been reimbursed,
had refused to make any further advances, in con-
sevence of which, the Provisional Cavalry had
been deprived of their necessary allowances.

Mr. 17 ANSITT A IZT that it was his -inten-
tion to remove these incanveniencies, by providing
for the speedy reimbursement of the Receivers Ge-
neral. He had first intended to do so, by moving
an assessment on the Counties for this purpose, but
finding this would !lave been an ungracious mea.

sure, he thought it would be snare expetileret t.
reimburse them out of the Public Treasury, anti
for this purpose he intended to prop.:)ie to insert
clause in a Bill now pending in the Floue.
Sir HENIty MILDMAY presented a Petition frogi
certain uncectiticated Bankrupts in His Majesty's
dominions, praying to be included in the Bill re-
speling Bankrupts, at present pending in ale
House.

Mr. CORRY said, he conceived from the nature
of this Petition, that the Petitioners had misunder-
stood the nature of • the Bankrupt Bill at present
pending, as that Bill was entirely confined to Ire-
land. It had been usual in that Country to pass.*
Bill enabling the Chancellor to grant certificgtes rQ
Bankrupts to whom they had been unjustly refused, •
The English-Chancellor obtained no such powers
by the present Bill, and, therefore, he was afraid
no relief could be afforded to the Petitioners under
it. He had no objelio.ns to the relief being ex-
tended to them ; he. only stated a fad for the in-
formation of the Hon. Baronet who presented the
Petition.

A Committee of the House then went to a con-
ference.with the Lords on the English Militia Bill,
and on their return,

The SECRETARY at WAR informed the House,
that the .Com:nittee had held a conference with
their Lordships, and stated the reasons of the House
for not assenting to all the amendments of their
Lordships on the English Militia Bill.
The deports of Lord Hutchinson's Annuity Bill,
the Hydrometer Bill, and the Southern Fishery
Bill, were brought up, and these Bills ordered to
he read a third time to,morrow,

A Message from the Lords informed the House
of their Lordships' Assent to the Hackney Coach,
British Fishery, and Hull Dock Bills.
On the Motion that the Itish Export and Import
Bill be committed,

Mr. CURRY said, that though there was n*
clause in the present Bill relative to the reciprocal
drawbacks between this Country and Ireland, yet
these drawbacks would be granted, as had been
provided by the Mt of Union. He wished it to
be understood, that the general provision of that
Aft was the reason why no particular one was in'
troduced into the present Bill.
General GASCOYNE wished to know, if the
tonnage duty was extended by this Bill to Ireland.
He said; he did not mean to move that any such
clause should be added ; so far from it, that if he had
the honour to sit in a future Parliament, he should
certainly move for the repeal of that duty.
Mr. CORRY replied, that there was no men-
tion of the tonnage duty in the Bill. He had not,
nor did not mean to give any opinion on that duty;
he only should state the principle he had always
maintained, that Ireland was not necessarily to be
subjeded to this tax, because it had been imposed
on England.
The Bill then went through a Committee, and
the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
The Irish Discharge Bill, the Irish Militia Pay
Bill, the Post-Horse Duty Bill, the Consolidated
Fund Bill, the Five Million Exchequer Biiis Bab
the Custom Duty Bill, went through Committees Of
file whole House, and the Reports ofdered to be re•
ceived to-morrow.

The House having resolved itself into a Com-
mittee on the Paper Duty Bill,
Mr. N. VANSITTART moved a Resolution, than
Paper-makers be allowed to divide their paper be-
fore the duty is paid, provided the weight be not
diminished, and the quantity marked on the our-
side of each parcel, which wasgreed to.
The Report to be received to-morrow.
The House adjourned at six o'clock till to-mo-r 4
row.

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SVI./N1 uUIS DICERS. FALSUM ASJDLAT ?

LONDON, JUNE z 9, IScz.

THIs morning a Haniturgh Mail arrived.

His Royal Highness the DUKE of CAMaRIDGc
arrived at Hanover about mid-day on the ist of June'
in the best health and spirits. The whole City was
illuminated in the evening. A vast concourse of
strangers had come to be present at the rejoicings'
The streets were crowded in the evening with people
and equipages ; and the whole was concluded with"
out the smallest disturbance or accident. Several
houses were illuminated with the most fanciful and
splendid devices.
From Vienna, June z, we learn that a body of
800 banditti from Bulgaria had fallen upon irat"
lachia, and plundered and destroyed a great part of
that Province. The Hospodar had, however, sent
a body of 3000 men against them, who had sur-
rounded the plunderers, and accounts were hourly
expeded of their total extermination. •
The Expedition sent from Genoa against the fa-
mous Robber, known by the name of the Devil'
has completely failed ; and that depredator, with
his banditti, continues his depredations in the eO-
- of that City, to such an extent as almost r°
prevent any intercourse with it by land.
The Ex.-Noble CATANEO is appointed Dog,' of
Genoa.

It is said that Prussia, in the beginning of next
month at the farthest, is, according to a Plant.
of Indemnities fixed upon, to take possession of
Hi/dr:heirs and Patie-b0.•71 on her own account, and

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