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14 blood of the debtor. It was inhuman and impolitic,
11 could 110 t taa 5)00 abolished. If he hal any
e4°Jection to the present bill; it iv 13 that it did not go far
kc'ugh• He considered bills aril bonds should be like-
th se exempted. It was oily cases of fraud, proved before
jimiges, that should subject the debtor's person to
ilearceration. With respect to what had fallen from the
,„"1- Member for Knaresborough, he had to express re-
rt at his misfortune in contracting so many bad
(Laughter.) But let it be recollected they
been incurred under the present system, with all
41' .beasted guarantees. (Hear.) The present bill
work better, and therefore he thought the hon.
teeniber ought to support it. (Laughter.) He had
I ad the report most carefully, and with much satisfac-
and he would give the bill his most cordial
support.
14r. TOOItE supported the bill.
„ kr, Sergeant SPANKIE opposed it. If imprison-
etit for debt was abolished on mesne process, he
!Peed with hon. gentlemen who had preceded him,
1°,4 the business of the country would be destroyed.
•Persons at the present period went into debt they
• ere aware of the penalty to which they would sub-
Je themselves in case they did not pay the demands
Might be made upon them. This acted as a check
t4;rlcl restraint. A summary process he deemed essen-
.4ll and would therefore oppose the bill.
Oil HON. MEMBER, as a commercial man, hoped
rptl..„e Speedy mode would be adopted for recovering
,„8.4u. debts. Scotland had been mentioned and eulo-
f:ed) but as far as his experience went, nothing could
horse than the system pursued in that country.
birt Alderman COPELAND would oppose the
With respect to Scotland, it was impossible to
wi„.ect debts there ; indeed he had been obliged to
er,,'idraw his traveller, he not being able to effect any
1;0,7 b his journeys. He was young in business.; but
it Ins experience he considered the present bill, if
j4148e,.: d into a law, would be found to work most pre-
;l4l.l.l' to the commercial interests of the country.
if th"IItOTCH was opposed to the abstract principle
tr 'of of arrest ; but he considered that in cases
*small debts there could not be found a better substi-
Ili% for the protection of the creditor, and, therefore,„
e house ought to pause before they abolished the
Present law.
The
'the bill estion was then put, and leave given to bring
.

,_ IDEBATES IN PARLIAMENT.
alr. TOOKE rose to move, " that instruction be
''''ea to the select committee on the business of the
°llse to consider and report on the expedieney of
%tablishing or encouraging the publication of an au-
ith,,entic report of the debates arising in the house, re-
"g to public and private business, and of the pro-
eedings connected therewith." He could assure the
°ouse, that in rising to bring forward the present
ption for instruction being given to the committee for
i4e purposes already named, he felt a due sense of the
,r,r,'Portance of the subject thus mooted, and nothing
~enuld have induced him to bring it forward but a
kseiof what he considered due to the public interest.
as l_nowevey, wished. to be understood, in limine,
pre of meaning to impugn the veracity or ability of the
btiteztt, reports. They were admirable of the kind ;
t. Who could say they were sufficient for the purposes
trell,al information ? Public questions met, it was
he,,,1 With every attention. but private ones were totally
ttlZ:ete,d• This could not be considered fair, as
q-,,..,' who were concerned in private bills should be
'„,,--y informed as those who watched the progress
public events.
to Lord ALTHORP said, the question for the house
iconsider was, whether it would change the present
Elvvul by which the debates were given to the public?
the considered no case had been made out to justif)
'Neel_ in the change contemplated by the hon. member.
cot; publie, it had been admitted, had no reason to
lie bP„_,lain of any loss in the manner in which the pub-
ftd coziness was attended to. In fact, it was wonder-
kid ew so much could be done with so much ability.
the 8,1161 great accuracy. If' the debates extended tc
0,. length desired by the hon. member, he would
trestion whether they would be read—whether they
°aid not be too voluminous—whether, in fact, the
Polliblie would wade through them. Mere verbatim
t,CbOrt-hand reports would not do ; there was some-
llg more reqsuired. A condensation was necessary
1, - , /beet the public taste and the public time. (Hear,
~etri 2 and laughter.) Private business was not ne-
L'eeted, when that business was at all essential to be
Ztieed. The present system, in fine, was found to
7wer well, and he considered it should not be
ruanged. There were expedients which had been
-eocit°llllnended by committees appointed to take into
tie sideration other topics -` but he did not think that
,o recommendations of those committees—he alluded
!? the mode of taking the votes on the divisions of
'44 house—could be adopted with any reasonable
te,lPeetation of success. He was decidedly of opinion
tiniat, by referring the present subject to a committee,
e house would not be enabled to promulgate their
,Vccedings in a better manner than at present, nor
41°441 the public derive more advantages. He should,
Nerefore, feel it his duty to oppose the motion.
,I Sir S. WHALLEY could easily understand why
he members of the administration should have so
treat a reluctance to have their speeches taken down
14 full length. He believed that it would be exceed-
ti .1
3' unpleasant to many if a plan were acted upon
which the speeches of hon. members could be dis-
interred from their graves, and brought against them,
hit:tout 16aving a chance of denial, at future opportu-
d .'es• If members came there with the intention of
coel„.!11 their duty—if they thought it proper that their
that
should be acquainted with the fact of
at di h .
the, so barge—if the trust which was confided to
the was important, as it unquestionably was, then
e,,:Y Ought to have no hesitation ; but on the contrary,
h.`rY desire to afford those constituents the fullest op-
fenanity which they could give them of ascertaining
„.." What way they acted on every occasion, and what
I,'..illions actuated them in their line of conduct. It
;44 not alone for the public that he advocated a full
iePort of all that passed in that house. If they were
have an authorized report of their proceedings, it
did not follow that that report should be circulated
Le'lerally. He did not hesitate to say that it would
a national loss if that publication to which he had
t,,,, ,lred, the Mirror of Parliament, should be allowed
ref
for the want of a public grant. He thought
d 60," could question that it would be very
es'le if the debates were published more `ac-
curate'
Paper Y and more fully than they were in the public
when it He thought that this would not be denied
cee;ii Lt was recollected that the debates and the pro-
int,
engs of that house were not alone of the utmost
pro-
-4 the r st and importance to their constituents—that
y did not concern alone the capital or the empire
k„large, but that they were regarded with the deepest
e; ration by the various Courts in Europe, and indeed
i!reulated over the whole civilized world. (Much
,cloghter.) The house might treat that with laughter,
°tit it was not an assertion without foundation—it was
riot an assertion that he made on his own authority.
He had heard the noble lord the Secretary of State
iLr Foreign Affairs make that same statement ( A
'ge.) Yes, and several hon. members might re-
collect that during the discussion upon a motion
tl4e by the hon. member for Kirkcudbright, relative
th the affairs of Poland and the conduct of Russia,
„e noble lord said, with reference to the cruel treat-
t"i'lent of the Poles, that the debates in that house upon
et_isu.bject would teach a better lesson to the Autocra,
or til the Russias than any vote they could
.come to
'Y re resentation which the administration could
kake _P
lara • 6tich was the importance which the noble
~. attribut.ed to the sentiments of hon. memers,
j 17% therefore, the faithful representation of those
Posed
was a question which could not be lightly
rritssed over. The noble lord could never use that ar-
ell, ent again, if a negative was put upon the votes on
the motion.
Mr. STANLEY said-1 cannot understand why
a'My person who ever did fill the office of a public
Lister in this country, or who
minister, whom an b does fill the office of
or y ody thinks should' at an)
on future time fill office as a minister—I cannot conceive
a What ground such an individual should take the
least_ll interest whatsoever in the consideration of this
;itioestion, or why he should imagine it to be one in the
(lisel remote degree personally interesting to himself.
takiar, hear.) For with regard to tlie.possibility of
oier/V up long-departed speeches to which the hon.
s'ir Who last addressed the house has alluded-1
' . , witt„
crown
,:regard to any speech that a minister of the
Years, have delivered within the last 80 or 100
( lie .lere are at present ample means for reviving it
winier), and I would add, there are also persons quite
--..4:,!,..and fully prepared to rake up such speeches,
so quoted.l oalf sentences extracted from them
,—whether
and garbled as to disagree with the context
,—whether
Merne,!rit of the body of which they form imperfect
purpos"s it matters not,—and this, it may be, for the
extract, of putting a different interpretation on the.
order fromto that which they will fairly bear, and in
f vettr , contrast in the strongest light and most un-
the io9le manner the past and present sentiments of
-Okra'
oilidual, whether a minister of the crown or in -"ko other public situation. (Hear.) But every