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!ill, why did not the House tr. 1786 take notice
his that circumstance ? The' gentritl'•answer to
was, that even., the . most vigilant
Members were not vigilant enough. would
bk however,' on the other hand, if it Wai''then.
stated to the House by His Majesty's Ministers, that'
dehad put such a construdion upon the Bill, and
siring to know if they were right ? No such thing,
But to what consequence wounlSiteh. a dottrine lead,
if because a practice was 'fi•tit • objected io 'at the
dement, that therefore His Majesty's Ministers
re to acquire a right to argue, that it was fair
1.„.4d, proper, because it had not been. objeted .to .?
:71th respect to the. Bill, no man cotild-dnirbt' that
Was'the intention oldie framer of It that
4-ist should not in-future be in- debt ; whether in- the
'ilk/lent of exultation and triumph,
th the imagination of
e framer of that Bill ran before it's previsions, he
Would not sav • but' it waS Certain -thatWaiiiis
s;e"ti°ll. An application to. Parliament was .ro be
V• der this Bill no longer possible ; applications were ,
t'Avever made in 1784. and 17 86. Since 1786,
Right Hon: Gentleman had the -Debt of
.m• ie Civil List at about a Million of Money, thus the
uebt in the last sixteen w
the years as equivalent: to that .
first seventeen. years of His
,Majesty's reign.
• question, however, was, what was 'now to be
dnt he was ore of Those Who
.adhered to. the .
i;et of a Civil List for life; he • knew he shisuld
slinpot t°4l, that a Civil List was essential to the
° • ,°f Monarchy ; if he inquired, why, 'he
I\a °e told' that it was essential that His
ocae.st,y should be enabled to defray the Expenees
Par iilsriousehold; Without being dependant upon
ci ;anment• If -it was so, the Monarchy: Must be
Ae iiilet, as applications' had been made to Parliti-
tl'th-:s '',°r money to discharge these' Expences four
as In one reign, and therefore, His Majesty was
'much dependant up ion Parliament in this respeCt,
Nsvlifhlie epee
tespeCt to theded upon them for the whole -Revenue.
nature of the Civil List, no
e" could suppose for -a. moment, that one year
Clo id he preeisely the same aS another 'with respeCt
6, ex,Pence ; but the great. stress -that had been laid.
-tile difference of expence, between a period of
peacewithout
and a neriod of. War, was, in his opinion,
4thou,
foundation. No Parliament had ever grant..
tei4eivil List, on the supposition, that the whole
th.&ll would be a reign of Peacel.-anda fad was,
fa was,
C'r. in three instances out of five; -wince the
civil
sio`ivas -granted; it had been granted during a
hOwe-,°f War. With nrespeCt. to the question,.
List, .I°l War or Peace, as it related to the CiVil
dour nth,"gh was important to maintain the splen-
sayin,;:.,tbe Crown, yet he had no hesitation in
°l3 "41t •if any XeduCtion-7.of,.That , spiendoUr
it ge: t° take place, there was no time in which
periocild, be done more gracefully- .than _ daring
sora, °I
sacriWar, when all were called upon to make
eat fires to the Public.' •Ptitting..this how..
iti: out of the question, let it be recollected what
It tic4le at the commencement of thepiesent reign ;
klf• was then determined what should be, the amount
lia, a
the civil List:: those who determined this did
•it without consideration, crithout epe-
i:l,llef= and foresight. COuld any suppose that those
it,"l) Voted-the Civil List in 1727, and 1760,' were
'pro lint or -so stupid, as not calcUlate upon the
.hable decrease of the -value of money, and the
ab
• •
le increase in the prices of the different Ai%
",3 of Expenditure ? :But an AZI of Parliathent
ving once pasSed, limiting the Sim appropriated
Minister` Civil List, lie contended that His Ivlajesty's
:nisters were bound to confine the expences of
d
Civil List within. the amount voted : if they
the; "t, they took the Legislative Power into
vate46wn hands, and said to 'Pattiartient, you have
You—b°,oool. but we have spent 900,0001. -and
caust
Make it 'up. Thus acting in direCt
Wiejlve`uchee to the Aa. of the Legislature.—
Mt‘ make a debt at all, if they could not
They sil"e Expences square with the Income ?
(litu '"W• ;tbol. lt Offices, and reform the .Expen...
re , is
to pa "
if they could not do thiS, they should come
r.larmo,
crease, r and,. stating the .necessity of an in-
tton the eY,_ should take the judgment of Parliament
°be Istipieo. They should state, that they had
aei of the Legislature in making the Ex..
this square with the Income ; but in order to
tette' „,7 they had been forced to make reforms and
.And d7llll, erns, which were injurious to the splendor
th 'gnltY of the CroWn, or to the 'Public Service.
P.Fl;eYr did th'l, one could attempt to say, that
La S 3 no
'bet t-,"` w°al(l-display any want of justice or
itatiu• But' they ' now came to Parliament,
. been „.6.' In other words, that 9achcool, a-year had
•so btven to them, t that they had chosen to spend
t
.114°C1' a Year inore, - and 'a debt 'of 'near a million
'dahll thus incurred. The greater part of this
aaa L 'd, it \vas- stated, accrued during the War,
cathe consequence of that -War ; but af-that was
ward why was not the subject In'Ought
ttlies during the course of a nine year's War,.
the ;Tit was thought" it would-• tend) to Make
taid ,_at unpopular.? • Thus', not':"' word "_Was
Of rein it during the War, .antl- now at a period
great ace they were told that the Debt was in a
"ear measure causettby a nine 'Years War. In the
yes 782, considerable reforms were made. with
Deft tO the Civil List, and thus by means'of.lVlr.
throe's Lill die Civil List was actually increased,
tauencga the savings which were made in conse-
bro., cof these reforms.. Thai these' reforins--Would
trucOtisidtir;ible'savin4s, must be more or less
tllee.c, • but at the same 'time' it was less true with re.
1,4e..k-a. to the Civil List than any other Establish_ as the Salaries of the First. Lord of the 'fru-
-I;Ye the Secretaries' of 'State, and other. Officers,
tecto ntearly' the same as in the time Ol,Charles• the
, nu. fliere only one article; with Kespeet
qt4l(tad. esmenn,
which if the.Right.Hon.
Ilitthea,n'S Motion had been confined. to.' 'than,- he
kill':._tiot_ have reluaantly. opposed it, though he -should
felt it his duty to oppos,:i it under-Mr. Burke's.
law The Right Hon. Gentleman had said, that no
Ibtst_co.uld be found with the expenditure : he,
11,,Tthat theliouse should investigate every
litt(fhoped the Ques tiori Would how be decided,Pr else .
t 44,1• on that day ten or fifteen years, another Mini..
I,t come down to -the-House with a similar
b.(410r the discharge he hnofthe • Lis(
large
• lions it or else it ./v
4por •-petl the-'House would not attend to such
as a mockery of their
ta4o
the as the,Nliniters` were- to be in•that'
judges of expenditure and not the Parlia..