The Sun.
London, England, 1834-12-03 00:00:00

LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 3, 1834.

FASHIONABLE INTELLIGENCE.

ARRIVALS.

The Countess of Verulam and Lady Emily Grimston, at
Gorhambury, from a visit to Sir William and Lady Joliffe, at
Mentham • the Earl and Countess of Morley, at Saltram,
Devon ; kr. and Lady Cecil Delafield, at Littlehampton,
from Tunbridge Wells ; the Dowager Lady Ellenborough and
the Hon. Misses Law, at Brighton, from Hastings; Lady
Frances Somerset, in South Audley-street, from a tour ; Col.
Horace Seymour, at Hampton Court Palace, from the Marquis
of Hertford's seat, Sudborne Hall, Suffolk ; Lord and Lady
J. Townshend, on a visit to the Duke and Duchess of Leeds,
at Hornby Castle, from Yarrow, Norfolk J. E. Baillie, Esq.,
in Curzon-street, from a tour.

STATE OF PUI3LIC OPINION

AND
MOVEMENTS IN THE METROPOLIS.

WESTMINSTER MEETING.

Mr. Hume's Speech concluded from our First Edition of
yesterday, and given in our Second Edition of last night :
He wished that all the absurd distinctions of Whigand , Tory
would be done away with—let them look to real
objects of national benefit--(Cheers)—cheap and good
constitutional Government when the people would enjoy that
influence the were entitled to—the Peers those prerogatives
which he (Mr. H.) would not deny them, and where the King
would be placed as the independent sovereign of the country,
instead of being, as hitherto, subject to the domination of the
Peers and the rotten boroughs.--( Great applause.) The
question was not whether sinecures and useless places
should be abolished, or whether they should have cheap
corn (for all these things were certain of attainment if they
did not allow themselves to be interrupted in their ca-
reer of reform), but whether the means which his Ma-
jesty had put into their hands should not be perfected and
carried into effect for the regeneration of their country ?
The late proceedings in high places might meet the
approval of the Emperor Nicholas, the Emperor of Austria,
or such characters ; but it was not to be tolerated in a free
country, that the King of a Constitutional Government should
dismiss his legal and responsible advisers, without any fault on
their part, and while they possessed the support of a large ma-
jority of the people of England.—( Cheers.) He was willing
to forget many of the offences of the late government—he had
seen many black leaves, but he was willing to turn over to the
clean ones, and forget what had passed..—( Hear.) The reso-
lution which he held in his hand declared that the past tea-
duct of the Tories was a proof that they would be always the
supporters of arbitrary principles. Was there a man in that
meeting who did not acknowledge the truth of that position,
and who was not ready to declare that the Tory domination
was one of corruption, and of misrule.—(Hear). Had not
these very men in 1789 and 1792 attempted to stop the pro-
gress of reform by entering upon a ruinous war to divert the
attention of Englishmen from the subject. The same mea-
sures would probably be now again resorted to, but un-
fortunately for the Tories, " the schoolmaster had been since
abroad," and he trusted the time would shortly arrive when
every
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the people as their best weapon, and what they relied upon
to meet it was brute force.—( Hear.) They had been threat-
ened with it some time ago, but the people were too cautious to
given them the wished-for opportunity. They could not doubt
but that the men who had hitherto opposed all reform, would,
when they had the power, put a stop to its further prowese,
He wished the Duke of Wellington was present, andle would
ask him who were the real agitators—who were the real dis-
turbers of the publio peace ? Was it not, he would ask, those
who had so long and so determinedly opposed all concession to
the demands of the people ?—( Cheers.) He had not heard
one expression from the people in favour of the change in his
Majesty's councils. He invited any man to come forward and
advocate the Tories or their measures if he could, for all they
required was free discussion. They had an instance of It it in
the present meeting, where they had assembled publicly to
address his Majesty, and lay their opinions at his feet.
It had been said that a re-action had taken place. Was it,
he would ask, that of the Tory Lord Mayor, who was of
one opinion one day and another the following (ley ?—( Cheer-
ing.) Was it possible, he asked, that high-minded Englishmen
would permit apostates—men who would leave honour and
honesty behind, on taking of to
.preside over the destinies
of their country.—( Cheers, and cries of No, no.) He hoped
Sir Robert Peel would soon arrive, although he understood by
the last accounts that had been lost in the Pontine marshes
—(Hear)—and if so, they would be obliged to look for another
Chief. The point they shy" 'd make up their minds to was
this, whether they would allow :nen who had declared them-
selves the enemies of all reform—, ho had carried forward
measures in spite of his Majesty—Aether they would
allow these men, now that they had tas..4l the benefits
of Reform, and had obtained a preponderance I. the House
of Commons, to domineer over them again ?—( Cries of L • no. )
The Duke must be a bold man indeed to attempt the
governing the country again after having been twice driven
from power. It was a common saying that " The longest lane
had a turn," and " The boldest man might meet his match,"
and that would perhaps be exemplified in the Duke's ease. ,
They could meet the Duke by boldly proclaiming, in a voice
of thunder, that they would have no such " wolves in sheep's
clothing" for their rulers. They had already obtained the means
of putting him down, by the Reform Bill, and it was not to bo
supposed that his Majesty would have sanctioned that P';:, if
tie diti-not mean to relater it really elic:l_t,:ivuerdfort
so
eurredsreestshaotf
the grievances of the people. It war
the Government could be properly conducted unless with the
approbation of the majority of tbe people. Look at the very
acts of the Tories—Wore they not anxious to protect what had
had been thought almost too rotten to touch—the Irish Esta-
blished Church.—( Hear, hear.) The Church, he admitted,
should be supported, but was it necessary to protect the
abuses. the corruption, and the misrule of every de-
partment of that church—( Hear, hear, hear)—which had
become scandalous all over the earth ? There was more in the
present stand of the Tories than they were aware of,—it was
an underhand attempt to put an end to that reform which the
late Ministry had candidly told his Majesty they intended to
effect ; the extent of which it was not now necessary to allude
to further, than that it would meet the wishes of the people of
England, and the House of Commons.--( Cheers.) They
might all recollect the speech lately put into his Majesty's
mouth, in which he declared that he was prepared to defend
all the institutions—not the good ones, or the good parts—but
all the institutions of Church and State as they now stood,
with all their abominations and abuses. Did not that show the
character of the advisers by whom he was surrounded ? Let them
look at the speeches at the Ashford and Canterbury dinners,
and they would there find the Conservatives boldly asserting
that his Majesty was determined to support every part of the
Constitution as it now existed. These observations and asser-
tions were deserving of serious attention. The Duke had
stated at the Ashford Dinner that the rotten Church would be
defended by the army and navy of England. That was what
they had to expect from the military Dictator.--( Cheers.)
Who then was the agitator that set the people in a ferment ?
Who was the disturber of the public peace ? Was it not the
Duke, by hazarding such declarations as these ?—( Cheers. )
Would the people be deluded by the story that a carte blanche
had been sent to Sir Robert Peel, and that the conqueror of
one hundred battles was willing to take office as a subaltern
under him ?—( Hear.) Was the Duke already become so
odious that he sheltered himself behind Sir R. Peel ?
( Hear.) But this was but another subterfuge. If Sir R. Peel
was Minister to-morrow, would not the Duke of Wellington
be the adviser and the leading man at the Horse Guards and
elsewhere ?—( Hear and cheers.) He cautioned the people,
therefore, to be on their guard—let no act, however atrocious,
on the part of the Tories, tempt them to a breach of the
peace, or afford their enemies an opportunity for resorting to
violence. Let them but pursue the straight-forward course
resorted to by them on a former occasion, and they would pre-
vail over military despotism, and the supporters of the Holy
Alliance.—( Cheers.) They were all aware of how they suf-
fered under Castlereagh, when the country had been dragged
at the wheels of that unholy Alliance, and were they now to
remain quiescent under the yoke of men professing similar
principles until they had been told what Sir R. Peel would
do ?--(No, no.) If Sir R. Peel professed his readiness to
grant the people universal suffrage, vote by ballot, and annual
Parliaments, he (Mr. H.) would not believe a word of Hear)
—for what would he do with Lords Winchilsea and Kenyon,
and Sir R. Inglis (who he understood had gone on a pilgrim-
age to the Holy Land)? How would he act when he ( Mr. H.)
had the declaration of the latter, who was a man of honour
and consistent in his principles, " that from his knowledge of
his Right Hon. Friend, ( Sir R. Peel) he could not believe
that he who had acted so consistently for years, would now
carry into effect measures which he had so often declared
were
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by countrythut Right
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t Honourableif such Gentleman, measures
or others, he ( Sir R. Inglis) would oppose them."--( Cheers, )
What a strange state they were placed in, for not one Mend of
the Hon. Baronet had yet come forward to say one word for
him, or defend him from the charge of being a man without
honour, because of his taking office for the mere sake of lucre
and power, and for the purpose of being enabled to gratify his
friends by saddling them upon the public. In that cry ho
(Mr. IL) would be obliged to join if he saw Sir R. Peel now
take the helm of affairs, and say " I utterly disregard all my
former opinions—I will carry through these very reforms which
I think are and have been declared to be abominations, so that
I can keep in power."—( Cheers.) Down with such men—
( Great cheerin,g)—but I am led away by the heat of argu-
ment, for, thank God, they arc not up yet...( Cheers)—and he
trusted they never would. lie knew it would be very easy for
them to form an Administration—in fact, if he had a list of the
Tories he could name one at once—he judged of what mate-
rials it was to be made up from looking at those who had of
late attended the Councils—he would ask whether there was
one man amongst them from whom the country had a right to
expect any foresg ofgrievances—was there one amongst
rank
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iiteanilly for the liberties of his oountry, he most emphatically
declared that he could put no trust in such men ; he could not
would be beneficial. In England the
tgleYe that they would bring forward any measures that
of all reforms. Feeling
leliaodf cer-
tainly thepeople were Wong
c'119901 to check them and preteilt theresolvei, but the mischief
the pries .014 ao with allying this country again to the in-
famous Holy Alliance, was altogether incalculable ; and if they
were allowed to remain in power, the people of regenerated
France, Belgium, Portugal, and Spain, would again be tram-
pled upon by the tyrants and despots dig ind jig lattily reieiyed
litlginlYl COW; tieQpw 'anxiously looking for-
ward t le tirne when Englishmen should regain all their
liberties—( Hear, hear)---it was for that time they most
anxiously prayed—(Cheers)—for then the' trusted thq

example would be so good as to carry conviction along with
it, and extend the blessings of real liberty to them.—( Chers.)
He, therefore, entreated all reformers of all kinds and degrees
to forget their petty jealousies and differences at that time, to
join most cordially in order to crush the great enemy of every
one of them. How strange was their situation—how awful it
was even now, when reports were made to his Majesty of the
sentences awarded by the law to criminals, there was not even
the shadow of a Council with which to advise—all was left to
the great Warrior, who was to be seen flying from one office
another—who was now here, now there, conducting the
whole business of the State without assistance. Who, he would
ask, was the agitator? Daniel O'Connell—(Cheers)--had
been blamed as such; but ho was now put down ; another and
a greater agitator had arisen in. the person of the Noble
Duke of Wellington, who had now been " The Govern-
ment" for fifteen days, and for all that was known might
continue so for other fifteen; and if allowed to do so„
why might he not say, " I have managed very well for one
month, why should I not save the trouble and expense of fill-
ing up any of the offices. I can do the duties of them all well
enough."—( Cheers and laughter.) He called upon the meet-
ing to look at what the Tones had done, and judge of them
by their former acts. They had been told over ana over again
to wait for declarations from the Government, and promises
were made that Reform si:ould go on—if they wished for a
sample of Tory promises, they had no farther to look than to
the conduct of the thorough "Church and king" Lord
Mayor.__( Loud laughter.) He really was sorry, and almost
felt ashamed, when he saw some sensible men, friends of
his, so easily imposed upon by such a shallow, hollow man,
as his civic Lordship. That was the time for them to tell his
Majesty, in the most distinct terms, that they would place no
confidence in such men, and that if he wished to have peace at
home, he must keep trade and manufactures in a flourishing
condition, which could never be done by aptibinting a; Ministry
which did not possess the confidence of the country.—
(Cheers.) Let them have a long pull, a strong pull, but,
above all, let them have a pull altogether, and their success
was certain. The Hon. Gentleman concluded amidst great
applause.
The resolution was then put to the meeting, and passed
unanimously amidst cheering.

Mr. E. BEALE came forward, and said he had been requested
to propose a resolution, and it was one which we.::id
meeting an opportunity of speaking out in uested
give the
19n7,-Cherished wishes o
to by the Hon. Member for the count-,
That in the opinion of this It was as follows :
lieeting,jno Administration can be
tatheethpinpdleeroafllEudnegd_
secure their future welfare, which is not prepared to
dexi
land,sptreecsot
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':, consolidate their liberties, relieveeotheirresent
perfect the Reform Bill, to restore triennial Parliaments, and pro-
mote the adoption of more extended suffrage, and the vote by ballot,
to work out the reform of all corporate abuses, and of all abuses in
the Church establishments of Great Britain and Ireland, and to en-
tirely repeal all taxes pressing upon productive industry and know-
ledge."
He had the greatest pleasure in proposing such a resolution,
which altogether referred to national wants and wishes, and
not to any particular party. It was such a one as deserved to
be, and he believed would be upheld by every reformer in the
kingdom, and every liberal man who had the weal of his
oc.untry at heart. It bad been said, that because the people
were not now so much in favour of the Whigs, who had
truckled too much to their enemies--that because the people
wcre not now prepared to thrust them back to power as they
did on a former occasion, therefore they were ready to fall into
the arms of the reckless Tories. That was a most mistaken
notion, and he thought his Grace was almost convinced that
such was the case. Why was it that they should trust the
Tories ? It was said that they had now changed, and were
willing to rule in the spirit of the age. He doubted that,
and believed it was merely put forward for the purpose of
deceiving. They were not yet ready to govern in the spirit
of giving the greatest happiness to the greatest number. He
denied that the Duke and the Tories deserved the confidence
of the people on account of their conduct with respect to the
Test and Corporation Acts and the Catholic claims—they
never would have given them up had they not been wrung
from them by fear. No Government could now stand that
would not relieve the burdens which pressed so heavily upon
the people. He proposed the resolution, in the sentinionis of
which he most heartily concurred.
Mr. THURSTON said that he had been an elei,:tor for West-
minster for thirty years, and as such, had teen called upon to
second the resolution. He was no pa-,.}y man, and was most
ham to see himielf surround
On that occasion by men
of all political creeds, Wk .°, upon so critical an occasion,
had laid wide all
lueir differences for the common good.
being In'isrepresenecl. for in his heart he believed he
—( Hear,
'shear.) Ne had no fear of his motives
7-as joined by millions of ties fellow-countrymen. He did not
I-think 6" people-hed anYthlkg to feer ; let thorn but act peace-
luilS7, constitutionally, and firmly, alio their sucee.,
He would conclude in. the ‘V)rds of the great Lord
Nelson—" England expects that every man this day will do
his duty."
Colonel EVANS came forward to support the resolution, and
was received by the meeting with repeated rounds of cheering.
He said he could not be expected to add much to what bad
been said after the meeting had had the advantage of hear-
ing what had fallen from the most useful member of the
Legislature, Mr. Hume..---( Cheers.) It was not necessary
for him to detain them long upon that occasion, but he
thought it his duty to come forward as their servant, and
tell them the line of conduct he meant to pursue, and to
take their instructions.—( Cheering.) They had come
there to bury in oblivion the little differences which existed
amongst them for the general good of the country ; he
introduced that topic, because it gave him an opportunity
of speaking of his Hon. Colleague.—(Loud Cheers.) A
letter had been received from the Honourable Baronet,
which he regretted had not been brought to the
hustings and read, for it would have shown that the
worthy Baronet, who was detained from the meeting by
severe illness, went heart and hand along with them.—
(Cheers.) That led him also to speak of his late opponent,
Sir John C. Hobhouse--( Slight cheering)—who as being one
of the late Government, could not properly attend that meet-
ing. He regretted that, because if the Right Hon. Baronet
could consistently have come forward, he could have told them
something of the nature of those further reforms which the late
Government had prepared to submit to the Parliament.--
(Cheers. ) Had they not been driven from the Councils of
his Majesty? His principle duty was to state the line
of conduct he was to pursue.--( Hear, hear, hear.) He
looked with alarm at any Government formed under the au-
spices of the Duke of Wellington—it must necessarily be a
Tory one, and he Would upon all fitting occasions give it his
utmost hostility. —(Great cheering.) He respected the former
services of the Duke, under whom he had had the honour to
serve, and he would do so again if necessary ; but then it was
fighting in a foreign land and against a foreign enemy. He
promised them they would never see him in the ranks of the
Duke in civil affairs, or in anything against the liberties of
the people. There was only one shade of difference between
him and his Hon. Friend, Mr. Hume, and that was that he
(Col. E.) could not view the state of things with much alarm.
They might rely upon it that the embryo Government were
not on a bed of roses. The people were too strong for them,
and would certainly crush them.--( Cheers.) They had great
need of a steam-engine of very considerable power, for most
undoubtedly they were sailing against a very strong wind
and tide.—( Laughter, and great cheering.) They were told
to wait for measures and not rail at men ; but he for
one could not think that those men who denounced the Re-
form Bill throughout its progress, were the fit and proper
men to carry out its principles—( Cheers)—in denouncing it,
they had morally incapacitated themselves from governing in
its spirit.--( Great cheering.) They would be placed it an
exceedingly uncomfortable position. If they went on with
Reform, their friends the Tories would turn their backs upon
them—they must always be distrusted IV Reformers, so that
in any case they were likely to find the truth of the
old proverb, " between two stools, &c." He would
tell them a fact whit
'mad happened only a few days ago, and
was within own knowledge. They all recollected the
Duke ht Oxford a short time ago--how he was received and
entertained—it now appeared that though the Duke was only
locum tenens for Sir Robert Peel, he was already considering
what measures should be proposed, and taking steps accor-
dingly. About four days ago the Duke sent down to Oxford
his plan for reform in the Church—it was received, told
considered by ten of the Reverend Doctersf, and
their astonishment, rage, and alarm, were excessive
—their rage predominated—and the Duke's plan scouted
by a majority of nine to one, an; much worse names
applied to him than they wrefia dare to do, amongst
which Judas Iscariot was not, }lie worst. That was what they
had to expect from the nuke, and he would ask whether the
people of Englatd would be contented with such a plan of
Church Rekrm as would satisfy the Doctors of Oxford?—
(Cries " No, no.") The Reformers were denounced as
Wishing for the destruction of property—they were all
very well acquainted with the fact of Lord John
Russell being the son of the Duke of Bedford.—
Now, was it likely that Lord John would wish to deprive his
father of the market they were in, or was it probable that such
a proprietor as Lord Durham would coutenance so wild a plan.
He called upon the meeting to consider what the fate of Ireland
would be under the sway of the Tories. It was a fact little
thought of, that the misrule of that country cost England five
millions of money a year. After alluding to the conduct of
the Duke and the Tories upon the claims of Dissenters last
year, he asked the meeting how they could expect that they
had so suddenly changed to liberalism? Lord Melbourne
on a late occasion said the people were answerable for the
manner in which they used their political power ; he (Colonel
Evans) would add to that, that they were also answerable to
themselves and their children for the due maintenance of their
rights and privileges.
Colonel JONES congratulated the meeting upon their una-
nimity, which would strike terror into the hearts of their bitter
enemies the TQries. Ho trusted that the people would go
WWI in hand together in saying they would not submit to
the rule of the Tories, and would not be intimidated or cheated
out of their liberties.

The Resolution was then put by tho thou BAzior
and
declared by him to be car.ri,ed lir‘aniruously,
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