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to postpone the question until Monday, or any other day
nexe week that ea.ght be more couvement to the Noble
Lord at the head of the Government.—(Neer, hear.)
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wined to know what the ques-
tion was that was to be resumed on Monday.—(Hear,
hear.) It occurred to him that there was no question
before the llouee, and if that were so how could they
adjourn the debate?—(Hear, hear.) Let somebody
meve something, and then on Monday the question
might be taken up where it was lefr off.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said a
question was put to him by the Hou. Baronet the Mem-
oar for Nlarylebone, and as he did not feel in a position
to answer it, he suggested that it should be postponed till
Monday. What he proposed now Was, that nothing should
take piece at present, but that the question should stand
over till Monday. Government beine in full posses inn
of what had taken piece would come down then fully
prepared to give the Hon. Baronet for Marylebone an
answer one way or another.
Sir F. THESIGER said if he understood there was
a question for the House to decide he should be dis-
posed to concur in the suggestion of the Right Hon.
Gentleman, but, like the Hon. Member for Finsbury, he
felt great difficulty in understanding, from the Right
Honourable Gentleman's statement, what the matter
was which was to be discussed on Mooday.—(Hear,
hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman had told the
House that there were two questions to be decided—first,
as to the seat; and secondly, as to instituting a prose-
cution fur the purpose of trying the right of the Hon.
Member for Greenwich to sit veld vote in the House. Now,
he had great difficulty in understanding what was the
first question which the Right Hon. Gentleman proposed
to take en Monday. There could be no doubt wha'ever
tea', according to the decision of the Hours, the Hen.
Member, having refused to take the ea h (,)t abjuratii n,
was totally incapable of taking his seat—(Cheers)—aud,
therefore, he apprehend( d that no question of that de-
(Mr. Sergeact Murphy
dscisrsipenti
toend could p„u, sibtlhyen ,
was the question ?
arise.
what
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Member for Cork
)w,s
said there was a grave doubt, but he was not in Parlia-
ment in the course of last session, and theta fere was rot
aware that there was upon the jeurnala a re-
eolution of the House on a precisely similar
question.—(Hear, hear.) Then if these resolutions
were worth anything no question of that description
was open to them to discuss? He hardly believed that
the House was prepared in a following session to rescind
a resolution agreed to after a long and anxious debate
on the snbject—(Hear, hear)—and, accordingly, be
thought there must be some other point which
the Right Honourable Gentleman the Chancellor
ci the Exchequer proposed for consideration.— (Hear.)
This very same question was fully discussed last year,
when Mr. Baron Rothschild proposed to take his seat.
The Baron refusel to take the oath of abjuration, and
it would be remembered that upon that refusal he im-
mediately rose and moved that the Speaker do issue
his writ for the election of a new Member for
the: City. That motion was met by his Hon. Friend the
thsn Attorney-General, and now Master of the
Rolls, by a statement that a refusal to take the oaths
did not vacate the seat, but only rendered the Member
liable to certain penalties. He (Sir Frederick
Theaiger) thought his Honourable and Learned
Friend was mistaken. Ho had carefully considered
the sutject since, and he had come to the conclusion that
in law a refusal to take the oaths vacated the seat.
He was, therefore, Extremely desirous to know precisely
what was the question which was to be raised on Monday.
Mr. B. OSBORNE rose to order. He wished to know
whether the Lieu. and Learnel Gentleman was strictly
in order it be did sot conclude by proposing a motion.
The SPEAKER said the Hon. and Learned Member
would certainly be out of order unless he concluded with
a motion.—(Hear, and cheers )
Sir F. THESIGER said he would beg leave then,
being tostigat, d by the Hun. Member fur Middlesex, to
move that the Speaker be directed to issue his writ for he
election of a Member for the bury ugh of Greenwich, in
the room of Alderman Sake:nous, wno had refused to take
the oath of adjuration in the form prescribed.—(Lend
and prolonged cheers for the Opposition benches )
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
was very much surpria, d at the co arse pursued by the
,n. and Learned Member.—(Cheer-, and cries of
Hear, hear.") He had reason to compl4in of his making
such a motion, after the suggestion had been almost
agreed to for the adjournment of the question until Mon-
day. He hoped he would not proceed with the motion.
Sir F. THESIGER said it was certainly not his in-
tention to do anything more then concur in the ad-
journment; but when the Honou: able M, mber for
Middlesex called him to order, he felt it necessary to
conclude with a motion which would give the House to
understand precisely the course which he intended to
adopt on Monday when the subject again came under
discussion.—(Cheers.)
Mr. B. 0813oRNE and Mr. ANSTEY then rose
and attempted to speak, but were met with loud and
boisterous cries of " Order!" which compelled them to
resume their seats.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his
object in proposing the adjournment was to pre-
vent an outburst of that sort of feeling which
was evidently rising in the House. He was
sure every Member was anxious to avoid that degree of
angry feeling which prevailed on a similar occasion last
ye er.—(hear.) He trusted the motion, after this ex-
planation, would be withdrawn.
Sir F. THESIGER said he was ready to de so, as
the motion had now served its purpose.—(Hear.)
The motion was then f ermully withdrawn.
Mr. B. OSBORNE wiled the lion. and Learned
Member whether it was his intention to move the motion
again on Wedgy?—(Hear.)
Sir F. THESIGER—I am afraid, if I answer the
Hon. Gentleman's question I shall be considered out of
order.—(Loud cheers from the Opposition benches.)
PETITIONS.

Major BERESFORD presented several petitions from
places in Essex against the navigation-laws, and pray-
for an alteration of the law in regard to foreign im-
portations.
Sir J. WAL\ISLEY presented a petition from Liver-
pool against the paper and newspaper stamp duties.
Sir P. NUGENT presented a petition from a place
in Ireland, praying for protection agaiust the importation
of foreign fl,ur.
Mr. T. DUNCOIIBE presented a petition from a
society calling themselves the Friends of Italy, praying
that steps might be tsken by her Majesty to prevent the
continued occupation of Rome by the French troops.
IRISH BILLS. _ .

Several private Bill;l;a7ingl;;;read and agreed to,
Mr. ROCHE wished to know whether the Govern-
ment would have any objection to fix a morning sitting
for proceeding with several important Irish Bills which
were on the paper.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
those bills would be fixed for a . morning sitting on
Thursday next.
The House then went into Committee of Supply.
After a short discussion, the vote of 9.8331. for the
Schools of Industry, at Dublin, was ogred to.
Votes also of 6001. for the Female Orphan Asylum,
and 1,7501. for the Westmorel,nd Lock Hospital, and
6501. for the Lying-in Hospi al, in Dublin, were agreed to.
On a vote of 38,000/. being proposed fur the support
of Irish PreNtlyteriin Ministers,
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to paying money for the
support of Irish ministers. In Scotlaud and England no
grants were made, and he =raw nu reason why any such
,hould be matte for Ireland. He should move to disallow
this vote.
Mr. M'CULLAGH said the Hon. Member for Lam-
beth had certainly surprised him for once. If any ob-
jection to the vote was to be made, he should have
thought it would have been to the smallness of it.
Mr. C. LEWIS defended the vote. It had been first
granted by the Irish Parliament in the Revolution, and
had been continued ever since.
Mr. C. ANSTEY opposed the vote on the grounds of
consistency, having always voted against the MAynooth

grant.
Mr. W. J. FOX suggested that the vote should be
reduced annuslly wail at last it should cease altogether.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD being opposed to all grants fur
religious purposes should support the disallowal of this
vote.
Mr. HAMILTON did not see any objection to the
vote, as it scarcely amounted to more than 601. per an-
num for each Minister.
Mr. E. B. ROCHE supported the vote, as he thought
this was a very improp-r time to withdraw it.
After a short discussion the House divided, when there
appeared—
For the grant ll5
Against it
Majority
(LEFT SITTING )

THE LONDON GAZETTE.

(T HIS EVEN IN G.)

At the Court at Buckingham Palace, the 17th day of
July, 1851, present, the Queen's most excellent Majesty
in Council. Her Majesty hating been pleased to ap-
point the Right Honourable Charles William, Earl of
Setton, to be Lord-Lieutenant and Custos Rotulorum of
the county palatine of Lancaster, his Lordship this day
took the oaths appointed to bo taken thereupon, instead
of the oaths of allegiance and supremacy.
BOARD OF GREEN CLOTH, BUCKINGHAM-

PALACE, JULY 16.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint Major Thomas
Middleton Btddulph to be Master of tier Majesty's House-
hold, vice Major-General George Bowles, resigned.
FOREIGN-OFFICE. JULY 15.
The Queen has been pleased to approve of Mr. Bern-
hard Homier as Consul-General in the United Kingdom
for his Highness the Duke of Nassau.
WHITEHALL, JULY 16.
The Queen has been pleased to direct letters patent to
be passed under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom,
granting to Major-General George Bowles, the office or
place of Lieutenant of her Majesty's Tower of London,
in the room of General John Sulivan Wood, deceased.
oilt6s.t.toWei,a,m John
The
Jordan arid LeGeeUttgto4.!ne a Supernume-
rary Lieutenant, in the Artillery Company ot London.
WHITEHALL, JULti 18.
The Queen has been pressed to pre6ent the Reverend
GeorKe Alurray to the church and parish ot Belmaclel-
tan, tu the prexbytery end s.ewartry of Kircuobright,
vacant by the death of the ItevereLd William Wilson,
late minister thereof.
CROWN-OFFICE, JULY 16.
MEMBERS RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS tftEIIEXT
PARLIAMENT.
Borough of Knaretborough—Thcmas Collins, jun, of
Knareahorough, in the county ot York, Esq., in the room
of the Right Hon. William S.-bright Latcelies, deceased.
Borough of Arundel—The3 countyßight lon
Nottingham~
Strutt, of Kingston-hall, in e of in the room of Henry Granville Fitsalan Howard, com-

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monly cal:ed Earl o! Arundel tv_:d Surrey, who has ae-
04pted th© cffice of Steward of her Majesty's Chiltern
Hundreds.

WAR OFFICE. JULY 18.
4 11 Regiment of Dragoon Guarus—Lieutenant Mi-
cha-1 M•Creagh to be C Train, by purchase, vice N.colls,
who retires; Cornet James Robert Sew t to be Lieutenant,
by putoila,e, vice M•Cr,.-agla; Cornet Robert Joan 1-1 t nry
to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vine Wynne William
Rudyerd Williams, who retires, July 18.
3d Light Dragoons—Captain Edward Fellowea, from
hall-pay, unattached, to be Captain, vice William Howe
Hadfield, who exchanges, rec,iving the difference be-
tween full pay of Cavalry
7th Light Dragoons—Cornet Henry William Mere-
dyth to be Lieutenant, by puichsse, vice Farrell, who
retires; Cornet Frederick Coates, from the 14th Light
Drsgoons, t) be Cornet, vice Meredyth, July 18.
11th Light Dragoons—Sergeant-Major Robt. Richard
Harrison Dungate to be Cornet (Riding Master), by
purchase, vice logli., promoted, July 18.
17th Light Dragoons—Lieutenant William H. Ken-
nedy Erskine to be Captain, by purchase, vice Hamilton,
who retires; Cornet Sir William Gordon, Bart., to be
Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Erskine, July 18.
31. t Regiment of Foot—Staff Surgeon of the second
Class John Burton St. Croix Crose to be Surgeon,
ealconaAgnr
trle: einsesei,rL,a July
vaLl II
Lieutenant
u promotedt
eNugentnantot a nto
Isaac be
vice
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Fl 1
okno gLtp_eui nercu,c
twhaepunh
stoationi,ettlx.vcci
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Un-
attachedliujorby
Rhodes Cooper to be Captain, by purchase, vice Nu-
gent; Ensign Fr. derick Palmer to be Lieutenant, by
purchase, vice Cooper, July 18.
96th Futit--Ens,gu Alfred John Ford to be Lieute-

nar.t, by puicht,se, ;ice Rogers, who re►ires.
Roy al Canadian Itflo Regiment —Charl,s Thomas
Castle, Gent., to be En:ib;n. by purchabe, vice Laue,
priunoted, July 18.
UNATTACHED.-116jor Charles Augustus Arney, from
the 58th Foot, to be LituzeLamt-Colonel, by purchase,
July 18. _ _ _

liostirrAL STAFF,—Surgeon John Crespigny Millin-
gen, from the 31st rout, to be Staff Surgeon of the
Second Class, vice Crosse, who exchailes, July 18.
MEMORANDA.—The Six Cadets of the Hon. the East
India Company's Serivce, inserted in thu Gazette of the
27th ultimo, are to be plic4-d under the command of
Lieutenant-Colonel Harry D. Junes, of the Royal Engi-
neers, instesd of Lieutenant Colonel Sir F. Smith, tur
field instructions in the art of Sapping and Mining.
Lieutenant Thomas Cutting, on half-pay of the 3d
Line Battalion King's German Legion has bsen permit-
ted to retire from the service by the sale of his commis,
sion, he being about to become a settler in South Aus-
tralia, July 18.
Lieutenant Colonel Samuel Dilmaa Pritchard, upon
half. pay, Unat; ached, has been permitted to retire from
the army, by the sale of his commission, he being about
to become a settler in Canada, July 18.
Errata in Gazette of July 11.

Bth Light Dragoons—For Edward 'Phillips, Gent., to
be Cornet, by purchase, vice " Fits-Gibbon" promoted,
read vice " Calthorpe, promoted." The Chrislian names
of Ensign Lowe, of the 81. t Foot, are "Stanley John,"
not Juan Stanley, a proviourly stated.
OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, JULY 17.

Royal Riltment of Artillery—Second Captain Henry
William Slontresor to ba Captain, •ice Turner, retired
on full pay; Firtit Lieutenant Guy It.tton to be Second
Captain, vice Muntretior; Second Lieutenant Henry
11i mtlton Cunolly to be First Lieutenant, vice Rotton,
July 2.