The Sun.
London, England, 1851-02-14 00:00:00

ld
adjourned debate on the Ecclesiatical Titles Bill oboe
be made an order of the day for to-morrow.
THE BUDGET.
In reply to a question from an HON. MENDER, aid he
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER 6 the
should make his finaecial statement on Mo
event of the debate on the Ecclesiastical Titles Buil'
cludit.g to-morrow.—(Laugh,er.)
MR. DISH AELI'S MOTION.
Sir E. BUXTON intimated that be was ready trujidej
pone his motion on the African slave trade, P, 01
other Members would do the same, in order to gib let
to ihe debate on the motion of the Hun. Ares' •
Buekinehainshire.
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PERROGATIVE COURT (IRELAe•IQ) b 13ILoiled
A re quest haviug been made to the Hum to the
(Mr. Keogh) to withdraw his motion with regard
introduction of this Bill,
Major BERESFORD was understood to exPveJs
t
opoeeition ro the Bill.
Mr. KEOGH wished it to be enderstood tbs. be bed
wield
not agreed to withdraw that motion. Tee 11°D.:A;
M, raiser (Major Beresford) had not thought it b",ll', bad
openly oppose the introduction of the 14.11;Leugbler
walked up—he woulsi not soy sneaked up•—k edeor
and cries of " Order.") He would witto the
the observation, but the Hen. Member walked 01:0010
Speaker's chair and intimated silence his olVics,
the motion.—(Laughter.) The observation
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vertly made—he s alked up sod intimated his 011) go
by gesture, and not by remarks.— Weer, "die, sod
thought it would have been a more open. c'i° 'gal
manly 'course to have stated the reason of his ed
Major BERESFORD said he had been klec;:geitig
sneaking up—(Cries of "No, no.")—he ineentrebelies
up—and whispering to the Speaker his di,aPPoloodist;
at the introduction of the measure. Now II- ,00d,
actly in the same position in which be now P`lice,
spoke to the Speaker not certainly in a loud wits qoilo
sufficiently loud to be heard. The statement vr
unfounded. Tim
ti/ir
Mr. DISRAELI said be thought there was °veil°
apprehension between two Hon. Members.
,itioe
Member fur Essex wished to make some opPresetl
the Bill, but had refrained from doing so en din; i 0 the
occasion, because there was an understanbetel
House that no business was to be proceeded withe Left
the adjourned debate. He hoped the How sal of P'
Member for Athlone would follow the example
reel of the House.
The motion was Vein evithdratele n 1601)
AGRICULTURAL DIS TRESS e-
DEBATE. Aloe. 4
The Marquis of GRANBY opened the IP
debate. He thought the Right Hon. Gentler° to tb:
Chancellor of the Exchequer, in his nesliel Peel;
Honourable Member fur Buckinghamshire, r 060
led into a variety of extraneous matrrreey I°,l
had nothing to do with the question. deesn,
now had five years' experience in free teae egeicotrli
the consequence was that the interest °I 10Ib
cure had been most seriously damaged' to .
country there were grown 24.000,000 ci'deprecl„;
wheat per annum, and there had been • 000';
tion from 565. to 385., almost 11. per ,g,
er‘
What did his Hon. Friend want? He did ,0
forward to dictate any terms to the Ministri,.;sorb the
the measure for free trade, or in any way ttruks
legislation upon the subject.—(Hear, bear), bertle;l
came before them to obtain a relief from tue„...(n
which pressed upon the agricultural classes' oren'i
cries of p` Hear, hear.") He was, therefore%
be te4
at the opposiden with which the motion heniorofl:l,
by his Right Hon. Friend opposite (the Chancel
Exchequer.) He merely wished to relieve t e
o
, heoo.- pio•
tural clases form imposts which had the .4
tolerable.—(Hear, hear.) Looking at 00 We'd
deration iu which the terms of this I:unrifled;
couched, he did not think that the Ministry ethe )
would have the boldness, the temerity, neireg, br.tr's
ness to meet it with a negative.--('''' ewe if
The only object which his Hon. Friend bad to le,
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the relief of British industry. And, oughto at
there were to be free trade in anything, that f be' est
be free trade in corn. lie sought for no Milts theme
which was to be obtained from a relief Ireor off
burdens on agriculture. He had taken tuebeett
i
sue
sible article, the payment for which has 1101 (nod p
tioned—the article of labour, and he "" sueee
this had been depreciated in an unusual degree'ooo .111 •
a degree which was not warranted by the eircupete With
It was impessible far the British farmer to cerffleo to
the foreigner, for the Baitish labourer had sinor
e,
upon his tea, his coffee, his malt, and, in. ostair
everything that ho consumed, and therefore it eser4
sible for him- tolive without higher wages Iles'tbilue
oa the continent.—(Hear, hear.) The CheD4ol pito,
Exchequer, in these circumettorces, must fewer ft
agriculturists in a position to compete with the
agriculturists
or relieve them from their distress.—(lles% that
would nut do to tell the agricultural interesl, for
were the cause of their own Dlisfartu:seat
be
was not they who eatablisbed our P".theree 0. 01
mercial system. It was founded by I it
eh
occupied the Treasury benches, 911: or 5111:041
their bounden duty to restore proteettn, re 700
taxes and local burdens that pressed bescge 000%0
and the occupiers of land.—(Hear, hear) Irg 010
in the amount of pauperism at i'efichaellns9 o'oo
to be 10 per cent., while the rechtetinte 'eed
price of provisions amounted to 30 per ee ogor-di,
wet a curious fact, and to his Miod,ristO
a conclusive answer to those who said pariatioo ar
minieleed always in an equal ratio wish a reu: foro3;s
the price of provisions.—(Hear, bear.) Oenietesnai,
occasion he bad accused the Right Hon. Gentle Oris-
the head of the Poor-law Board with willtllo Per it
lag with or doctoring the returns et rilu
which came • throught that departpTees%
bt of bs_
Government, bet be begged now, in the
Right Hon. Gentleman, to retract cteet:ter;‘-;
that Ago. GeDtl
(Cheers.) He did not believe the Right e (Ch"erlii
man was capable of making false retnr-n-f—ihe
but it realty was a pity that the returno say of ileee
Board were so much mistified and confused. before r
were to him quite incomprelieneible; hearitvio' otioniie
othoeuldnaatdiomniatl tiplea.ueperr;itsuturn, sibeuxyhoibuigthiutg the • 05e,..
to be in Peoplefeei
of returns showing how man had been f
on the road, and how many bad been d ifi
He believe
by private parties.— (Hear hear) f 00 A/
had such returns before them it would hieZinishr"„'oo
free trade had increased rather then deo,l",elt
(Hear, hear) They had hi and to-night of t"reys se
don of workhouses in Suffolk, and of the, distod Vete
existed in some of the manufacturing distrcts,
err
t ec,
one thought that such facts as these proved P 1064 111
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elusively that the labourer was better off -- 00 -hoe
den than under free trade.—(Hear, heer;)B fir!.„-tele,l
prefer high prices of corn and high wages. "---sortg-s(l,"'
ever, was that the price of bread did not fasllogirb°.facubotelost6l: 1
with the decreased price of corn. Taking
the annual consumption, at 565. the quarter, w°„101010. $t d,Oe
price per pound Id. and a fraction, and taking pollnt tes
the quarter, would make it about three farthiugs 014 ° lb!
14s. 60. per year A family of four persons w,,°, both 010
less cost of corn, save an expense of 2/.lBs- 2wo'k,iglbere'
labourer's wages were reduced Is. lid. per wiecioet, price
amount to precisely the same sum, and be ion ie the otad
fore, in that case gain anything by the reduction
el, es 00tied
of wheat, but, if his wages were reduced 2s. sete foorlo
he a lose-.—( Hear, hear.) Suppose that 1-,‘.7„ it st feel
loaves can be made of a quarter of wheat whoa sofle,oolo
56s the quarter, the price of the loaf is 54not.L'd
ie
wheat stood at 86s. the quarter the price of tuSeerelmllis
be 3id. The price of bread had not, however, 6.1 d• ied
this proportion, and he believed it was WI 2. of 0110
Right Honourable Gentleman (the Chloe"' 00 100
Exchequer) referred to the evidence of Mr. °vg 01,68 Of
stated that the condition of the labourers dlifiesrideme;oo/
autumn was satisfactory ; but he could refer to 60 le
a much higher authority, that of the Right Ilun„olittee:titel
himself, which he gave before the Salaries' C°,7.,„,116." t);
reply to a question put to him on that occoL"'-opeLo 0",
that no great reduction had taken place in 'the ethr4P-
persons holding high offices consequent on that'll teefebet
duties. He did not think that in the high 0161,,,jorehcl'oasc
been any diminution of expenses. Taxes were A that c,,,"
lie said that servants' wages had increased, and of u"-4
rent had not diminished. He (the Marquis
so 'lsom
wanted to know why the expenses of tleaTeeer Infegard ateslll
creased when the opposite prevailed with imp bed
wealthy ? He had now gone through the, rll.7eic. ,b
points of the Right Hon. Gentleman's speech -15000J"00'
upon that of his Hon. Friend the Member for airy erco§
shire, and replied to them. He had avoided an bine'croLP De
ther the manufacturing interest was really in eto 71
the
condition it had been represented in that .",enb—ate. ;01'm
cause it was foreign to the question u'il-orrtedie"
same time he felt it due to himself, end to t 001000,
which he acted generally in that House. that?: the Pr10,„11'
his own conviction that this branch was not Rightlsl-
- state that it was represented to be by the tbe
Gentleman. And he believed that whatever, 114; eeso; 00
favourable aspects, it was fast depreciating. it r tb0
,
time to treat of that subject, he could show Oa ,itiOn tlfr
which was deserving of the highest considercouro
of the
House. This conviction was increased in the t,„eerb rite°.
present debate by the nervous and hesitatory
Chancellor of the Exchequer. If' they could not bsr eceLeite
tion to the landed interest, whether they liked r.,`lokeot4 eo'
must admit that for any tax they placedsipottare:: turd
(.1'
production an equivalent duty should be Flecvoie Vetein%
reign. It was in no spirit of hostility to the - atv oda
Russell) that he would say that if he refused tei test _eel
for the landed interest, at the same time adulittlagublie,l'iest.
the Para le,
other interest was in a state of prosperity,
come to the conclusion either that lie was not e'es the, de
declaration, or that he was determined to 0t,701
important in the country, asd that upon who •
pended, and that it was the principle of the ,
damp the industry of the country.—(Cheers.) .
_tor este
Sir J. GRAHAM then rose, along with severale „id„.l
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bens, all of whom at once gave way to him. Ile
tee • ,e 0
(01100. if
obliged to the louse for pern.itting me to
eeetttg', Marquis who has just spoken. On a former e
e,e, at
speeches had not occupied so large a portion ofetleil''ooso
toe
have been my desire to have addressed th...,Rhefife!blie
then upon what I conceive to be a question t
_lO of !joy
moment, and, considering the present a
juncttli
sote,roii.
affairs and the state of parties, to heclose !geld'
opinions without disguise, and with a Fran itT,;(4.
to that of the A'S
however, that a short time has intervened
_7%0 aliceoev
the question, .because I had much relhl-coo e'er_ s.ite:
cases. that a ehort opportunity should be. gl: &Ilea!'
tion preference to at once expressing wl,:"liews),:o Or!
isle mayqui,,—(.Hear, hear.).
000.,,,,500,
pressions would lead me to state.—(hear,
ireolifieed3y,
I proceed further I shall, with great pleanl_rblemartluojill
or three points in which I agree with the Noble
0/001_„
its just Sgt
(01. (..troetiliii.:4lilyij•eiaeneebit!:rcig.telu:e' it:ialt.ete-11;twais,1
—I way
that w.,rd—hrit I ,•ordrall) agree in saying we!,,e eeon°,o4
io
speech of the Hon. Gentleman who mac,-1,,,.'70r ). I "of tire
ex, mitiery mederetiet, met ding' pleat
;ntg
that I .rit prepared to follow the, 7,dijigPa,at toi
Made ‘la•quk. who t uN,thit• upon two '8 orgy, t"ituto
feat expresseet his opinions witssut ttisgtwe,ll,4 egrireo oar
great I),.dy ~t wotking (sasses. aiciudingitkaises
labeurers, had been gainers by the recerste ''eased'
it-cal pike; and next, that it was his slei,whe pod, gar
upon reflection, that sooner or later it wouheel-ie Nolo iolet
diet to r- to a system of pi oteetioh. time s
gals enunciated these two principles, iv hope soh
heel added what was when) unnecessary, t 110176 fritifi,„e* 0;00
doiligso he had said nothingeffeni,ve _
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