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Mr. 0. 'MORGAN frequenty visited the library, and was
ticlined to think that the number of visitors was much more
than the ILm. Member fin. Reading supposed.
The vo'._e was then agreed to.
31,2',./. to defray the expense of the new building in eon-
Aezion with the British Museum.—Agreed to.
3,srit )L. for purchases by the trustees during the Sear.—
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EDUCATION.
Oat 5 e vote of 150,0001. for public education in Great Bri-
tain belt g proposed.
Lord I. RUSSELL said, in the absence of the Right Hon.
Gentletn, an the Secretary of State for the Home Department,
he thong ht it his duty to state to the Committee what the
nature of the proposed vote was, and how it was to be ap-
?lied. 7 'hey were aware that this vote began in 1833, when
Was int ;re than 50,0001 In 1833, however, a change took
Place in I the mode of distributing the sum voted. It was
Proposed in that year that a Committee of Council should be
appointee 1 who were to have the distribution of the money
toted, an d who were from time to time to make minutes as
to the me ele in which such money was disbursed. Very con-
siderable sums had since been vote.% In the early part of the
3b'ear he ad referred to there were 120,090/. voted for distri-
ntion b, • the Lords of the Treasury. Up to that time it ap-
peased by a return placed before the House that there were
80,0001 distributed fe- this purpose, and the Committee of
Council a xpended 611,512/ There was a balance remaining
their h ands of 99,5801. The estimate for the present year
rlt Was
186,3 801., but it was proposed to take only 150,e00/.
" was th ought necessary to retain a considerable balance
4n
hand
ftpurpose of fulfilling the engagements which
'the littee of Council had entered into. It should be re-
Bleilected a also that there were larger sums of money derived
oot Ptivt .te resources fsr the promotion of the same objects.
setiti larg awn had necessarily to be expended upon the
i(hog o f schoolhouses throughout the country. Of late
bears alert 3 had been a new plan adopted, which went far
That th a original scheme, for the building of schools.
"at Plan was founded upon what he believed to be a just
b;'°asiderati on—namely, that the way in which these public
ads migl et be made more available was not in increasing
(4eTtanti ty, but in improving the quality of education..—
ar, be: ir ) For that purpose it was proposed to give in-
struction through pupil teachers; to augment in certain
n" the ialaries of masters and mistresses, to furnish maps
Ind books
of instruction, and to give annual grants at ex-
There were no less than 6,700 persons annually
receivinglsr
payments from the sum voted by Parliament. So
as thu scheme had been tried it had been found most
gaining , especially the plan of paying their teachers and
t he young men for schoolmasters. Many of the re-
ns mar
by the inspectors show the value of this plan. he Rev. to
Mr. Mosely, whose abilities were well known—
M°lll., hear)—the Rev. Mr. Watkins, and Mr.
rsss
"rigs o ne of the inspectors, in their several reports bore
testi
4 mon: rto this fact. When they considered the very
ert ti me during which the labonriog classes were
enabled I
.o send their children to school it was of the greatest
ce to find this fact admitted. The number
thildr an receiving education under the improved system
Vl° tom ;h greater than under the former one. —(1-iear. )
aseeilad I liven the reports of the inspectors belonging to the
"sonal Sche,ols and the National Society, employed by
o,l;Cons --mittrie of Council. He would now state the
(The No f l'Ar. Murrell, the inspector of British Schools.
l'iaes Lord here read the document referred to, but
tloets 1° a tone of voice it was impossible to catch a dis-
lases-s?,,t once in the gallery. We understood it to be a re-
caesasu ng the complete success of the new system of edii-
aes;(llli/l Mr Marshall, the inspector of the Roman Catholic
taw-T. 5, gave similar evidence, as did also Dr. Woo, fort.
taw-T. oduction of those pupil teachers, and the rewar.ds
effected" them, had not only an immediate beneficial
cos, 21 -ion those young men, but gave them great en-
also "gel nent to persevere fir the future. The plan was
as n 11 calculated to iuterest all the parents and rola-
lies,s' the parties in the great work of education. - (Hear,
risenhis-Z, It was observed by all who had seen the work-
the new system that a great stimulus had been
other the progress of education. With respect to the
tis4r.lln ,salottes which he had mentioned—namely, the altera-
stest2,° the aries of the masters and mistresses, and the
toe „'" grants at exhibitions, he thought it high'y desirable
apts''sr°l .rage ae far as possible those masters and mistresses
rho ;111 d distinguished themselves. He had often found that
4 17,' it appeared by the returns made to that House that
Yet Y large number of children attended the public schools,
fersor'l l at the quality of education given them was very in-
their' hat little impression was consequently made upon
testis' ntl.erstandings, and that much money, time, and at.
to be! nvere wasted to no purpose. There was, however, still
relsei° /sserved that evil which, he feared, must for some time
tene,„43 without a remedy in their great educational system
%ter: e ly, the children being taken away from the schools at
Ilee,„-1' early age. There was no less than 35 per cent. under
ags7,l. sears of age, and 62 per cent under ten years of
pet
the
en away from these schools. There was only eight
the‘'r t. above twelve years of age to be found remaining in
so earl chools. It was manifest that the children taken away
the 3 y were not likely to benefit much by the education
lets; eceived, and they would fail to find an educated popu-
itteei . although they might see a vast number of children
Ors% ling these schools. He could not see any remedy at
thsee •it for this evil. It was natural and inevitable that
atlas • children, when arriving at a certain age, would be
able'. serviceable to their parents in augmenting their miser-
tllets Weekly earnings, and thus the benefits of education to
Ilait were lost. At the same time he thought that there
r 't be schools established in which less attendance would
'lttoNoised from boys about twelve years years of age.
ffoit ,e might be periods allowed for going to school which
ate , Id allow some time to be devoted to ordinary labour ;
trail; there could be small libraries formed in connexion
eke 1 these schools in which the habit of reading might be
tesp Irraged, which was likely to be kept up in after life. In
atdtsseeLt to one point of this grand theory, there was a eon-
f°r i`ii,rhie Num required for the support of a training school,
at ,34 *special training of masters of workhouses; that was
te, lor Hall. It had cost already a great deal of money;
" able man was placed there, and there was every
1 to believe that the school would be considerably
"ed. He could not leave this subject without repeat-
he u- 'hat he had often stated before in that House—namely,
Lil% blight that they could not do too much as members of
Tau House or as individuals in improving the condition
411/ "ohouriog the situations of schoolmasters.—(Hear.)
to • 're Was no class of men employed that was more useful
leg the country. He must say it was exceeding 'y painful to
It - seat small salaries paid to such a deserving and impor-
ClaSs.—(llear, hear.) He (Lord John Russell)
)11 s!..tp only further state that there were several votes
::t• respect to similar subjects in the estimate.
'e second vote after that now under notice re-
! :arded education in Ireland ; and he was bound to state
oat the training school in Dublin was one of a superior eha-
. roter. He had been much struck with the quickne's of.ap-
Prehension and readiness; of the memory of the pupils when
e was in that city. This vote was proposed to be increased
Y 14,000/, over the vote of 1849, and 9,004. over that of
185.3. • The next vote was for the School of Design, of which
Ztt Right Hon. Friend would give every requisite informa-
fts • There Were 300 scholars in the head school in London,
tatthe branches in the country contained no less than
pupils. Considerable progress had been made, and
mat anxiety was felt to obtain the advantages of these
srt,blishments. It was proposed to distribute the drawings
4tte head schools among the country schools, and great be-
nt
Nail expected to be derived from it. A sum nearly the
stiZessas that granted the preceding year was proposed for
tate,,Atuseum of Economic Geology, which, though a new
•itti!4lltion was of the greatest practical benefit in a country
, minerals were of such importances a England. Two
lige not in the present list, but connected with the ques-
the' were proposed—one of which was for the publication of
bee translation of the cuneiform inscriptions. There had
11,!1 a similar vote many years ago for the same purpose.h
tvitii Whole amount of the estimate was 435,920 L, whic
440netho other sums referred to, would, perhaps, make
tosii'M in all. No part of the estimates were more useful
take ,Public.—(Hear.) That portion of the estimates bad
forthased largely within the last 20 •years. In. 1833 the vote
„e Purpose of education was 30,0001., now it was 50,00 ~
tiekbut Whole estimate was increased in the same pro per-
l'ots Vevertheless, he considered it the most gratifying.
I'l'o%l *t4e Whole series, seeing that it was calculated to
'44 SS-Te hountry, and make it internally, as well as eater-
; Peaceful and happy.
2°X said the formation of a few schools of a high
of
.)314e-h—r Was much more advantageous than the formation
s°,ties-e-Lof a contrary character. The present was, however,
thy'vten a further change was necessary. It seemed to
teeter me Some other mode of distributing the grant was ne-
th' IttY• The sum it was intended eo expend was 55,000/.
Lts yea
sikt ron school building. He thought, however, the time
toool free to check this expense. There was already school-
teatteet More than twice the number of pupils that at-
He also thought there was too much exclu-
vt 848841 the distribution of the grant, and that the classes
'aft thel3 excluded should be embraced. One of these classes
orsi secular
toolsscho, which were so popular with the
Ass ri.sg classes as be self-supporting. Another class
`4OSe schools which were disqualified by their
11144°!elusiveness--such as schools under charity trusts. A
sent ,ass was the ragged schools. This class was at pre-
kels m°slelnded from the grant, though they might justly be
Iseehoed in it. A fourth class was schools connected with
ties, °Talcs' institutes in manufacturing towns. Another
tekoe;!vas the Jew schools. He considered the training
thQres wete in a condition to train more schoolmasters than
kd was a demand for—they were now 6,000 in number,
tor .t already bore a considerable disproportion to the need
10• heir services, He should have been glad to have his
Ilps',7 of a -natiorfat system of education realised, and to look
at this arrangement as merely previsional.
Victrtd JOHN RUSSELL-4 certainly do look forward
ta."l hope to the establishment of a system of national edu-
40n
j At present, however, we are doing all that
Ira do in the matter.
as7r•IgWART applauded the formation of village libraries,
the urged the promotion of evening schools. He tras• ed
tial Would be able in some future year to expand.the.educa-
tfiry system, and have an annual statement, as m tne case
army and navy estimates.
sear,
,W .INLILES thought that the teaching of the Bible'
t 0 be the foundation of their educational system. He
tSeNlat the House and the Noble Lord to insist on making
17_1sehools rudimentally Christian.
ttl*T• allMEasked
ses the Hon. Member what he would do
Isi,..aseiostart if he made the Bible and Christianity an indis-
to4le Part of education? What he regretted in the sys-
tabajts, that it did not reach those poor districts where no
tlisZehlP_tin,n could be raised. Until schools- were established
tateser vulage, he despaired of seeing education effectually
kle---"et- Government ought to refuse employment to
0i,44113.!,,,w,h0_c_0u1d net read and write.
"In 1: I BELL begged to ask the Noble Lord upon what
tasttrEtat47-4 Was -that so small a sum as 154,000/. should be
ed
alb'. the education of a population of 16,000,000 in
poly , and 134,5601. for Ireland, where the population was
too, ,0002
e HEN LEY said the Noble Lord had announced his in-
%tee 4to establish a national system of education, and this,
theked With
t se the statement of the Hon. Member for Oldham,
ser of lookedte teachers,
forward with alarm to the time when a num-
Is is, who had received a high degree of moral and
wltha'44l education, should be thrown upon the world
4141 employment,
„ to filled him with some apprehension,
totes is to know how they could be assured that
kessimeeduals would be safe members of society ? With
at eirs religioai foundation laid he should not be alarmed
41(42 tittension of education - (Hear, hear)—nor did he
ttAi-theT:hetileaat°rf any
schemes,
whether they should come from
ilheGovernment or elsewhere; because he well
people of tbis country would never consent to
-atetia
,Pos, is of national education which was not based on re-
:l!te psotel-57. offered the Government would not listen to
SP essre eettsbie Hon. Member for Oldham against building
I,g.,erly availed .houses. The manufacturing districts had
be‘o get as many themselves of those grants, and now that they
representatives
schools as they wanted, it was too bad for
Of °I their
_spresentatives to throw difficulties in the way
.he rural
IS°lllasiobeervTdttcts obtaining similar advantages. It was
tabor that one-sixth or one-seventh of the whole
°M es. that had received grants from the National Society
of th receive conditioends
imposed, and
the Privy Council on account
k 4 that th and they had just reason to com-
io naa° were not placed in so liberal a position as the
g ssn,Catholics, It was a departure from the understand-
L° to It
de 1
understand-
TT nbottd t ic-1 was, that the fund was to
e Lore, a b all Christians alike.—(Hear, hear.' The
ores ratan x,0001,d
lie
that there was a surplus of somewhat
Lie did not object to this, but thought