The Sun.
London, England, 1833-05-06 00:00:00

HERTFORD ELECTION.

On the motion of Mr. BERNAL, the issuing of the
writ for the borough of Hertford was postponed to Wed-
nesday week.
Mr. O'CONNELL wished to know from the Noble
Lord opposite (Althorp), whether it was his intention to
reduce the duty on advertisements in Ireland the same as
in England.-Is. 6d.
Lord ALTHORP said they would be reduced Is.
ASSESSED TAXES.

Mr. TENNYSON said he wished to know when it
was the intention of the Noble Lord the Chancellor of tue
Exchequer to move a Committee on the assessed taxes, as
it was his intention in that Committee to move a resolu-

tion for the total repeal of the house and window duties.
Lord ALTHORP said that he should move the Com-
mittee on the assessed taxes this evening, bnt as it would
be only a Committee preparatory to bringing on a Bill, he
should leave it to the• discretion of the Right Hon.
Member whether he would move his resolution to-night
or leave it till the discussion on the Bill.

Mr. HUME hoped that in the Committee the Noble
Lord would take into consideration premises occupied for
schools and other srientific instittrions.

Mr. O'CONNELL hoped the Noble Lord, the Coan-
cellor of the Ex,hequer would make some alteration iu the
stimp duties. On every award there was a tax of 20s.
That materially prevented the poor people of Ireland
from settling their differences by arbitration. He recom-
mended that awards under 10/. should not be liable to
any tax.

Dr. LUSHINGTON supported the recommendation of
the Hon. Member (or Middlesex, that teachers should be
relieved from the very grievous amount of the assessed
taxes to which they Were at present subject, more espe-
cially as the encouragement of cheap education would be
most beneficial to ate country.
Mr. GOULBURN presentei a petition from the clergy
of the diocese of Armagh against the Irish Church Tempo-
lities Bill. The petitioners although friendly to a tem-
perate Reform of the existing abuses, protested against th-,
division of ecclesiastical property to any other purposes
than those connected with the established Church, and
particularly they express their aversion to the power of
suspending the appointment of ministers and restraining i
certiin cases absolutely the power of building churches.
Mr. H. GRATTAN called on Ministers to hasten more
determinedly, and with greater zeal, their promised
remedial measures for the people of Ireland.—( Hear..)
He hoped particularly that the Church Temporalities (Fe-
land) Bill would be pressed through without any unneessary
delay. The great misfortune of his country was the Esta-
blished Church ; and if English connection was in danger,
it arose not from Irish agitators but from the Irish Church.

The great fault he found with the Bill was not that ten
Bishops had been cut off, but that more than four bad
been left. He thought four Bishops, with one Arch
bishop, was quite sufficient for the country.
Sir ROBERT PEEL presented petitions from Duleck,
in the county of Meath ; from the parish of St. Perer,
Cork ; from the clergy of Yarborough, Lincoln ; from
the Arcbdeaken and clergy of the diocese of Cashel and
Etnly ; from the clergy of the deaneries of Hill and 80l
lingbroke, in the county of Lincoln, and from the Minis
ters and elders of the Presbytery of Dumblarie, Scotland,
against the Irish Church Temporalities Bill. The
petitioners concurred in representing the proposed measore
as highly dangerous and detrimental to the interests of
idit.g in
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true religion and the lability of the Established Church.
Sir GEORGE GREY had been info/1111:d that the
Archbishop of Cashel had been absent from the diocess for
the last two years, during which period he had baen n-
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as, if so, he (Sir G. Grey) must say, that under such
cirturnstances, the sign iture of his Grace to that petition.
-ought to go fdr nothing.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. GOULBOURN, as we naderstood, denied that the

Archbishop had been so resident out of his dioosse.....
(Hear, hear.)
Sir GEORGE GREY asked the Hon. Member if be
twaS certain of what he Stated ?
/dr,. GOVLBOURN—I am certain.,-(Loud cheers.)
Mr. WYNN was surprised that such a question should
'fiave been put by any gentleman in that House, without
his having first assured himself of the fact.—(Hear.)
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Archbishop would he at all affected by the question.--
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interrogationbut
(Hear and disapprobation.)
Mr. ESTCOURT—The question itself was an impli-
cation, and oncht not to hare been put upon vague
grounds.—..(Hear.)
Sir HOLIER 1' PEEL having been asked by an Hon.
Member to give some of the contents of the petition from
Cashel, said that he had moved for a committee for the
purpose of examining petitions previous to their being pre-
sented, that every Hon. Member might not be obliged to
explain each clause of a petition as he presented it. This
petition was signed by the Archbishop and clergy of the
diocess •of Cashel, and while it objected to such
large diminution of bishoprics as had been con-
templated, it called upon the clergy to consent to
the consolidation of one or two of the smaller ones. If
Loy gentleman wished to have further information of its
contents be would refer him to the petition.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the petition from
the Ministers ami Elders of the Piesbytery of Dunblane,
so far from being against the bill, was perictly consistent
with it, fOrit prayed that in any alterations that mi. ht be
made, provisions might be made for the support of the
Prot. s ant religion, and for the tenting of the Scriptures
in the native language.

tt. PEEL said he never imputed to the petition
that it was not againit the Bill.
The petitions were ordered to lie on the table.
Sir R. INGLIS presented two petitions against the
Irish Church Temporalities Bill from the Clergy of Ches-
ter, and film the parish of the Holy Trinity in the city of
Cork. As to the question which had been put, and
which had occasioned the discussion a few minutes
before he mn.t say that a question might be put in such a
mode and form as to be very much like an assertion. He
remembered that Mr. Wilkes once said en the hust-
ings that he wished to put a question to an oppo-
site candithte, but -not to make a speech, and he
asked " who had killed his washerwoman?"_(laughter)
—meaning, as it might possib y have been meant by the
Hon. Member to-night a direct assertion. He hoped that
Honourable Meinbers would in future be more cautious is

their mode of putting questions that had such k tendency
as those to which he had alluded.

Mr. HALL DARE presented petitions from the Arch_
deacon and clergy of the archdesconry of Essex, against
the Irish Church Temporalities' Bill. The petitioners
listinctly petitioned against the reduction of the Irish
Bishops, and they stated that any tax imposed exclusively
upon the Clergy, without first obtaining their consent in
convocation, wis a direct violation of the Mauna Ciiarta.
MESSAGE FROM THE KING.

Lord ALTHOIII' brought up a message from his Ma-
jesty, to the effect that ai his Majesty was desirous that
an enquiry shnuld he instituted into the state and condi-
tion of-the woods and forest and land revenues of the Crown
with a view of making them beneficial to the public,
he recommended to his faithful Commons to take the sub-
ject into their serious consideration as early as possible, for
the -purpose of carrying into affect some satisfactory met-
sure of the kind.
'Atter a few observations from Mr. O'CoNicittx. ard
Mr. J. GRArrAx respecting the settlement of peasantry
on commons in Ireland, which Lord Duncannon pro-
mised to inquire into, hie Majesty's Message was
.ap-
pointed to be taken into consideration to. morrow.
CHURCH REFORM (1 RELAND.)
Mr: LEFROY presented eighteen petitions from laymen
of Carlow and different other places, expressing the greatest
objections if not to all, to the greater part of the provisions
of the Irish Church Reform Bill ; also four petitions from
the clergy of Dromore and two other dioceses in Ireland,
and from an Archbishop and the Bishops of the Church of
Ireland. He particularly called the attention of the
House to this petition, but would not dwell upon it at
any length, as he should, be hoped, in the course cf the
debate, have ao.opportunity of referring to it.
Colonel GREY, wished to ask the Hon. Member whe-
ther be knew, from his own personal knowledge, the
persons who signed those petitions were resident at the
places from whence the petitions purported to come.
GOLBOURN considered that it was the duty and
habit of the House to have a clear and distinct message
from the Crown, before it attempted to deal with any re-
venues belonging to isi
Sir 11. INGLIS supported the Right Hon. Gentle-
man's view of the subject, and called the attention of the
House to an order of the House in which a message from
kis Majesty in such cases was expressly required.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)