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EVENING, JUNE 18, 1851.

peace; for it not only rendered it necessary for govern.
ments to persuade their parliaments that there was
a just cause for imposing burdens upon nations, but
it also thereby placed governments upon their trial,
and prevented them from bringing matters in dispute to
such a point that it would be impossible for them to
recede with honour if they should not be convinced
entirely that they were .in the right.—(Hear.) There
was a growing disposition in Europe to settle quarrels
between nations by amicable intercourse and negotiations.—
( Hear, hear)—and we could not have a greater instance of
that than what had taken place in the course of the very
last year, when we saw the. two mighty military Govern-
ments of Austria and Prussia arming themselves to the teeth,
calling out on both sides hundreds of thousands of men, ap-
parently on the point of battle with each other, and yet,
from the effect of good sense and of reason on both sides,
entering into preliminary communications, and finding a
method of terminating the dispute which had nearly brought
them unto hostile conflict without the shedding of a drop of
blood.—(Hear, hear.) He said, then, he thought the pro-
gress of civilization in Europe was mast encouraging to the
views of those who attached the greatest importance to the
maintenance of peace, and he could assure his Honourable
Friend and the House that her Majesty's Government were
as anxious as the Hon. Gentleman himself could be, not only
to preserve this country from the calamities of war, but upon
every possible occasion to exert the influence which belonged
to a country like this, and which was very considerable, to
save other nations from those calamities.—(Loud and general
cheering.)
Mr. ROEBUCK said that no one could have heard the
speech of the Noble Lord without being highly pleased with
its pacific nature, or without the certainty that it must of
necessity exercise a most powerful influence upon the general
peace of mankind. The Noble Lord had, however, while he
concurred in the objects of the Hon. Member for the West
Riding, said he could not adopt the means which the Hon.
Member proposed. Yet the means which the lion. Member
now proposed were clear, definite, and 'easy of attainment.
All he desired was, to reduce the armaments of nations in
time of peace, within peace limits; and to effect this desire
by operating upon the mutual common sense of the leading
nations of Europe, and removing by obvious means their
causes, or supposed causes, of mutual distrust. It was very
true that England and France were shaking each other cor-
dially by the hand, but he wished farther that the mailed
glove upon that hand should be removed, so that there should
be no aspect of war in the intercourse. All that the nations
of Europe need to do in order to carry out the views of the
Honourable Member for the West Riding was to follow
the common sense example of England and the United
States upon the great lakes of America; an example, the
practical result of which had been to convert the mighty
waters which might have become the highway of robbers
and murderers, into a highway of merchants, benefit-
ing and benefited.—(Hear, hear.) Ho accorded, and
most willingly, to the Noble Lord the high glory of having
maintained peace and kept England unscathed through a
period of unexampled turbulence and agitation, and all he
desired was that the Noble Lord should create for himseif
the still higher glory of establishing throughout Europe, not
simply present peace, but those great principles propounded
by the Hon. Member for the West Riding, on which perma-
nent peace might rest.
Mr. M. GIBSON said that, after the speech of the Noble
Lord, so nearly in the direction which his Hon. Friend de-
sired, it would be for his Hon. Friend to decide whether he
considered his object would still be better effected by
taking a division. If he did divide, he should, of course,
divide with him.

Sir H. VERNEY called upon the Howe to bear in mind
that the maintenance of an efficient fleet was essential to the
protection cf our merchants in distant foreign ports.
Mr. BROTHERTON trusted that the Noble Lord would
take speedy and efficient means for carrying out the prin-
ciples he had so nobly enunciated. He should advise his
Honourable Friend, after the speech of the Noble Lord, to
withdraw his motion, so that there might appear no*ivi-
sion of opinion in that House upon this most important
subject.—( Hear, hear. )
Mr. HUME did not see why, with the opinions declared
by the Noble Lord, he should not adopt the motion as it
stood, which in no way fettered him in the means he might
see fit to adopt for effecting the peaceful objects which hero
desired to accomplish. It appeared to him that to withdraw
the motion would produce an effect as though there were no
support for the principle in that House.
Sir R. INGLIS thought the Hon. Member for the West
Riding would best secure the object he had in view by not
pressing his motion to a division. Seeing the unanimity
which prevailed, and the good understanding existing be-
tween him and the Noble Lord, who had accepted the spirit
of the resolution at least, he did not think any good object
would be gained by dividing the House, and incurring the
risk of having the motion negatived. He hoped, therefore,
the Hon. Member would rest satisfied with the admissions
made by the Noble Lord (Palmerston), and withdraw the
motion.

Mr. Guam{ and Mr. PIZYCE also expressed a hope that the
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(Hear, hear.) He was satisfied so far with the sentiments
of the Noble Lord, and begged at the same time to say, that
if any good result was to follow discussion, it must be done
by some one in the position of the Noble Lord. After what
had been said by his friends, he would not press the motion
to a division, but he wished to state exnpbatically that he
did so without prejudice to those out of doors, who took a
deep interest in the question. In withdrawing the motion,
he did so not without hope that the Noble Lord, who had
expressed so much concurrence in it, would act up to the
anticipations that seemed to be entertained by his friends.:
Lord PALMERSTON, feeling the full force of the responsi-
bility that attached to statements made by a Minister of the
Crown, must request the House to understand correctly
what it was he had said. He entirely concurred in the prin-
ciple and object of the Hon. Member's motion, which he
conceived to be, not only the maintenance of peace with
France, but the inspiring the two countries with that prin-
ciple of mutual confidence that would best put an end to
those jealousies that he considered the cause of certain re-
sults. What he objected' to was, the particular method
which he recommended as the mode of arriving at that re-
sult, via., to enter into negotiation with France. He begged
therefore not to be understood as undertaking that the Go-
vernment would enter into that negotiation, but be consi-
dered as perfectly free to use its discretion in all circum-
stances that might arise.--(Hear, bear.)
The motion was then withdrawn.
BIBLE MONOPOLY.
Mr. HUME rose to move " That an humble address be
presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be gra-
ciously pleased to direct that measures may be adopted to I
cancel the Queen's printers' patent, so far as relates to the
monopoly of printing of Bibles, psalms, and prayer-books, in
England and Ireland; and, if apprehensions be excited for
the correctness of the Scripture text, that a board be consti-
tuted in England and Ireland, as has been done in Scotland, for
the revision before publication of all the editions that are to be
printed." His object was to withdraw from the universities
the letters patent for printing the Bible, and to leave the matter
entirely free. The monopoly had been abolished in Scotland
in 1839, and the result was a reduction in the price of Bibles
of upwards of 50 or 60 per cent., while a considerable reduc-
tion had also taken place in England. The purity of the
text was at the same time preserved. It had been proved
before a Committee of that House that not fewer than
12,000 errors occurred in a Bible printed at one of the uni-
versities; and it was worthy of notice that since the patent
was abolished in Scotland the number of errors that had
crept into the printing of the Bible had been reduced to the
amount of many thousands. In 1846 Lord J. Russell stated
in that House, as reported in the Times, that " the degree
to which the Gospel was a sealed book in this country was
lamentable." The Queen, in her reply to the University of
Oxford in December, 1850, on the subject of Popery, spoke
of " the training of youth in faithful attachment to the
truths of Holy Scripture" tas " one of the defences of our
Protestant faith ;'! and the Archbishop of Canterbury, at
the opening of the Crystal Palace, prayed that " the,event
might tend to God's glory and to the diffusion of God's holy
word." Now, if these things were so desirable, why should
any impediment be thrown in the way of the diffusion of
the Bible? With reference to Ireland, the patent had
been renewed to Griersons, of Dublin, who, however, had
not printed one Bible since the renewal. He (Mr. Hume)
had been for twenty years engaged in pressing this matter;
and it would be some gratification to him before he went
hence—and that might not be long —to see a termination put
to the monopoly. He thought the time had come when a
Christian community ought to find an individual relieved
from the necessity of renewing the proposition he had

made.
Mr. COWAN seconded the motion, and stated that since
the cessation of the monopoly in Scotland, the price of
Bibles had been reduced one-half, and the circulation

doubled.
Mr. BROTHERTON expressed the hope that the Hon.
Member would at that hour (half-past 12 o'clock) have
some mercy on the House and the Speaker. The House had
met at 12, and must meet in the morning at 12. (Hear. )
Sir G. GREY thought it hardly necessary for him to ex-
press concurrence in the policy which pervaded the House
that the widest possible circulation should be given to the
Scriptures. It was desirable that no monopoly should exist
tending to enhance the price of the Bible, provided due means
were taken to secure the accuracy of the text. The object of
these patents was to secure the accuracy of the text ; and he
was free to admit that, in Scotland, the boaril referred to had
worked fully equal to the expectations of those by whom it
had been constituted, and that beneficial effects had resulted.
It was on the expiration of the patent, in 1839, net in its re-
vocation, that that board was instituted ;and, with respect to
the existing patent to the Queen's printers in England, it
was granted for thirty years in 1830, and nine years of it had
to run. What his Hon. Friend asked, therefore, was, that
the House should address the Crown to exercise a power
which the Crown did not possess, that of interfering with a
strictly legal right. It would be necessary that the Hon.
Gentleman should ask leave to introduce a Bill on the sub-
ject. He (Sir G. Grey) held in his hand a Bible printed by
the Queen's printer, the price of which in sheets was 6d., the
retail price being Bd., and which could now be produced for
10d. There had been a reduction in price far beyond what
had been anticipated when inquiries had been made on the
subject by authority of that House.
Sir. R. H. INGLIS was of opinion that, except by an
extreme act of tyranny, to which past ages afforded no
parallel, an end could not be put; without compensation, to
the patent. Was the Hon. Member for Montrose, the great
advocate of economy, prepared to grant compensation to the
extent of 100,0001. or 200,0001. ?
Mr. HUME replied. He held that it was in the power
of her Majesty to compensate the parties who held those
patents.
The motion was negatived.
On the motion of Sir G. GREY, the Select Committee on
Administration of Criminal Justice Improvement Bill was
nominated as follows Mr. Attorney:General, the At •
Stuart Wortley, Mr. John Evans, Mr.
torney-General for Ireland, Sir FredHenenelkewTh,
Mr. Crowder,
Mr.
and mGero.rfveriAalhetxsoann.der. Hamilton, Mr. Aglionby, Mr. Baines;
Mr. FREWEN rose to move the second reading of the
Sir G. GREY aid Mr.fiOT
BRHERTON,on agreedinterp to postpone ,
Squestration ofßeneces Bill ; but, the osition
it of

and
The other orders baying been disposed of, the House ad.
iourned at a Quarter to One o'clock.

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PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS

:From the Vacs and .Proceedir.ps of the House of Commons.)
TUESDAY, JUNE 17.
MALT-TAX.

Motion made, a7al Question put, " That on and after the
10th day of October, 1852, one half of the Malt-tax be re-
pealed." The House divided

MINORITY-AYES 31.
Barrow, W. H. Galway, Viscount Scholefleld, W.
Bennet, Philip Gilpin, Colonel Spooner, Richard
Cayley, E. S. Halford, Sir Henry Stanley, Edward
Child, smith Hatiewell. E. G. Urquhart, David
Cohbold, J. C. Halsey, T. P. Waddington, H. S.
Codrington, Sir W. Jolliffe; Sir W. G. Wakley, T.
Colvile, C. R. Keating, Robert Williams, W.
Cubitt, William Lewisham, Vis.
Drummond, Henry Meagher, Thomas TELLERS.
Farnham, E. O'Connor, Feargus Alcock, Thomail
Forbes, W. Prime, Richard Bass, M. T.
Frewen, C. H. Solway, Colonel