The Sun.
London, England, 1833-08-14 00:00:00

CORPORATION OF DUBLIN.

Mr. RUTHYEN moved for a return of the estates and
rental of the corpontion o'
Mr. SHAW I,bj,cted to the production of the papers
No grounds had been stated for the motion, and the
returns were not matters of public interest.
Mr. 12TTLETON saw no mounds of opposition that
could he urged on the present occasion. The papers
moved for would be of utility to the commission upon
Corporate Char•ties.
The SPEAKER said that all returns moved for must
he made to the House itself, and could not in the interval
of the sessOon he laid tefire any Comm6sion.
Air. LITTLETON sti l that the returns might be ready
to lay on the table of the House upon its meeting for the
next ses,ion.

The SPEAKER sail that no Commission could avail
itself of those returns until the House should meet again.
The motion was then put and carried.
Mr. WALLACE moved for a return of the procurators
and of their emolum, nts in the burghs of Scotland.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL doubted if the Hon.
Memher's motion cou►d be compiled with, inasmuch as it
required that the procuritors and other judicial officers
should e'ate the period they had taken up in their con-
sulting authorities, and in their private studies, to prepare
frr a decision upon public cases.
Mr. WALLACE supported the necessity of the return
he had moved for. _

The LORD ADVOCATE opposed the return being
made, as calculated to throw an indignity upon the
Judges of Scorand.
Mr. HUME was sorry he had not heard what his Hon.
Friend bad said. When a motion was brought forward
Atm e four year• ago to increase the salaries of the So.tch
audttes lie (311.. Hume) had opposed that motion, on the
;;hound that he c, neeived they were much too numerous.
He thought that the moldier of hours these Judges ap
peared before the public were ye!), few. He maintained
that from every person who received public money in any
capacity that Hou-e had a right to call for an account of
bow his time was occupied. It there were any objections
in point . f form, his Hon. Friend w•nind consent to with-
draw his motion, woh a view to remodel this return.
Mr. KENNEDY felt satisfied that the motion could not
produce returns which could be considered at all accurate
in their result. _ _

Mr. WALLACE would next se•sion move for a Se-
lect Committee to inquire into these matters.
The LORD ADVOCATE thought that the information
m;ght be obtained in another way than that proposed by
the present motion.-1 o,iim withdrawn.
FACTORIES' REGULATION BILL.

On the motion for the H use res. lying itself into a
Committee on the F Armies' Regulation MI,
Mr. COBBETT rose to complain of the imprisonment
of some persons for selling tio.tamped publications at the
pros, cotton of the St imp Office. He himself had had
some expel ience of the manner in which Attorneys-
General could act, and he knew that they could cut
sharply enough; but he bait never known a King's At
tornerGeneral pr.cierd with so much hat shness as the
Sfatrp ()/Event* did,: It appealed that they had prose-
cuted 31)0 persons since they c..ine into office fur offence,.
against the St.imp I,4ws.
The SOLICITOR GENERAL said that they had not
prosecti eti fluty such tiastsr-,-„und in reerence to the c.o.*.
to which the Hon. tor Oldham had alluded. I e
presutoed that the prosecution haul been orLitiated by com-
mon ilAformers, and to the' party haul been committed to
prison in default of paymeni: of the penalty.
Mr. HUME reprouxtettiThe conduct of Government is

not having put down these procecutions ; and complained
in strong terms of the effect of the Stamp Laws.
The conversation here rl.opp-d, and the House resolved
into a Committee on the Fact,rie.' Regulation Bill.

On the 15th elau•e being read,
Mr. ROBINSON proposed a verbal amendment, the
effect of which was to limit the power of entering mill.,
by inspeetors on'y to the hours at which such mills should
he at work.—Agreed to.
On the 16th clause,
An Hon. MEMBER stated that there prevailed a general
feeling in this country against the enormous powers given
by this cl -.use to the inspectors of mills.
Mr. P. THONISON said it had been considered neces-
sary to make the powers of the inspectors as extensive as
possible, in order that the working of the details of the
arrangemrnts under the Bill might be facilitated.
Mr. G. W. WOOD gated that the opinion of the ma-
nufacturers in the country was very strongly opposed to
that clause, and the Hon. Member read an extract from a
letter which he had that day received in confirmation of
what he hail roved.

Lord ALTHORP could not give up any of the powers
of the inspectors, aril he thought that the manufacturers
w. re hound to sul,mit thus far.

Lord MORPETH was most anxious those persons
should have extensive powers in order to render their
office effectual

Mr. M. PHILLIPS would ask whether thia clause wao
ca►cu►ated to concilive the mrnufacturers, or whether it
would not have the effect of hazariting the comforts of the
children ?

Mr. P. THOMSON said that the fears of Hon. Gen-
tlemen were guarded against by the 431 clause, which
made cet tain provisions that returns should be made to the
Secretary of State for the Home Department by the in-
spectors from time to rime, detailing all their proceedings
Mr HARDY thought that the inspector« should be in-
structed to fence tiff the various parts of machinery in
nrrier to protect the lives and limbs of the children em-
ployed.
An How. MEMBER moved as an amendment to leave
out all the words bl the clause after the word " interest"
in the 41st line, the object of which am-ndment was, be
stated, to deprive the inspectors of vexatious powers.

Tile House then divided—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority
- -

-8

During the exclusion of strangers, Mr. G. WOOD
proposed an amendment, the object of which we could
not ascertain.
The H.u'e divided—
For the amendment 2l
Against it 37
Majority —l6
Mr. WOOD proposed that the words " names" and
" ages" (of the children) should be left out.
The galery wis clear-d, but no division took place.

Mr. HARDY proposed an amendment, which went to
provide for such a construction of the machinery as would
effectually protect the persons of those working in the
factories.

Mr P. THONISON oppn.ed the clause.
_ _

Mr. HARDY sai I it would be easy for any person to
perceive by mere inspection what part of the machinery it
might be necessary to fence off.
Lord ALTHORP thought the amendment quite un-
neee.sary.

Mr. HARDY was not aware of any remedy at common
law in such cases.

Mr. P. THONISON thought the Hon. Member would
defeat his own object by removing responsibility from
proprieti,rs.

Sir. WOOD protested against having persons engaged in
this branch of trade placed under the care of the law, and
held up to public odium. Why not extend the same
principle to all trades ? Were there no lives lost in coal-
mines and similar works ?

Mr BOLLING was both a collier and a spinner, and
why should he not legi.late for the protection of life in
one case as svpll as the other.

Mr. HARDY was quite reedy to act upon the same
principle of protection in every cise where life might be
endangered, and particularly where children were em-
ployed. In the works with which he was connected, the
machinery w is fenc.d off.
Lod MORPETH would support the amendment if it
was pressed.

Mr. O'DWYER supported the amendment.
Mr. COBBETI' said the object was to make those
masters careful wt.o might not be so. No imputation was
meant to he cenveyed on the manufacturers generally.
Mr. ROBINSON supported the amendment.
Mr. HUME deprecated the principle of the Bill. Why
not have inspectors to visit every gentleman's ki,chett, to
see that the servants did nor burn themselves with the tea-
kettle.? Lepislarion of this kind was worse than useless.

Mr HARDY said the ptineiple of the Bill was protec-
tion, and it was upon that principle he acted,

The House divided—
For the amendment
Against it
Majority

-47

The clause, a. amended, wa4 agreed to.

Mr. WOOD objected to the clause which gives a power
of appointing local in.ipeciors under the four general in-
spectors, and proposed that it be expunged.

The House divided—
For the clause
Against it
Majority
The clause was agreed to.
Clause IS being put—

-m

Mr. T. ATTWOOD would propose an amendment to
the following eff et:—" If the parents should desire it."
Mr. HOWARD thought it would be better to leave
this matter to the parents themselves. He did not think
the boys would gain much by being enabled to read news-
papers, or the girls to read novels.

Mr. P THOMSON thought this clause was one of
the most important in the Bill, and that part which
related to the education of the factory children he regarded
as of viral interest. The deduction of one penny in a
shilling our of the child's wages was the maximum, and
it was a provision solely for the purpose of insuring
compliance with the enactments of the BM.
Mr. T ATTWOOD assured the Right Hon. Gentle
men that threepence out of a week's wages of three
shillings was a very severe deduction.
Lord MORPETII and Mr. ROBINSON supported the
clause. _

Mr. COBBETT was against all forced education, but
as this clause would give two hours less labour to the
children he would support it, but upon that ground only.
Mr. HUME looked upon this clause as a first instal-
ment towards a general system of education in this coon•
try.—(Hear.)
MT. AGLIONBY and Mr. Wass were in favour of the
clause.

Mr.T. ATTWOOD agreed to withdraw his amendment.
Mr. P. HOWARD then moved as an amendment th it
the deducti, n from the children's wages should not ex-
ceed one penny a week. The pupils in the national
schools did not pay more than a penny a week.
Mr. P. THONISON defended the clause in its original
state A penny a w.ek would be too small an amount.

The Committee then divided—
For the amendment 4O
Against it 55
Majority —ls

Clauses 19 an,l 20 were then agreed to.
On clause 21. the gallery was clesred for a division,
hut none took pace, and the clause was agreed to.
Causes 22 to 44 were carried, except clause 32, which
was omitted, and 42. postponed.
The Committee then divided on clause 45, when the
numbers were—
For the clause 32
Against it 4O
—9
Majority

The 421 clause was struck out.
The remaining clauses were agreed to.
On the queir ion that the preamble be agreed to,
Mr. G. W. WOOD objected to it, on the ground that it
was of a criminatory character, and, therefore, be would
move that a new preamble he sulistitured.—Agreed tn.
Ttie House having resumed, the report was ordered to
he received this day.
The House then proceeded to the other orders of the day,
and, having resolved itself into a Committee on the Buck
inghani Palace L did Revenue Act, a sum of 55.0001. was
.cited for the completion of the fittings, furniture, Bcc., of
Buckingham Palace, on the motion of Lord DUNCANNON.

SALE OF BEER ACT.
Mr. RICE, having moved that the H. use resolve into
a Committee of the whole House on the Sale of Beer Act,
,nd the Speaker having left the chair, the Right Hon.
Gentleman proceeded to state that the resolution he was
hut to propose to the Committee was not founded upon
the recommendation of the Committee. It was considered
with a view to raise the character of the beer shops it Wall
better to increase the amount of license duty. It was not
intended to increase the jurisdiction or power of the Ma-
ostrates except in the way of police regulivions. The
,e.idirion proposed that the license duty for the sale of beer
-hook' he 5/., and for cider 50s.
Mr. WARBURTON did not wish to oppose the intro-
duction of thy Bill proposed to be founded upon this rest).
ution ; taut, looking to the numerous cla.s oh
.persons who
were interested in the measure, it was impossible it. should
pass unless it were in every particular quite unobjection-