The Sun.
London, England, 1834-03-13 00:00:00

EARL OF WARWICK.

Mr. PETER postponed his motion for an address to his
Majesty, praying for the removal of the Earl of Warwick
from the Lord Lieutenancy of Warwickshire, to Wednes-
day the 16th of April.
FINES AND RECOVERIES IN IRELAND.

Mr. LYNCH obtained leave to bring in a bill for the
abolition of fines and recoveries in Ireland, and for the
substitution of more simple modes of assurance.
LABOURING POOR IN IRELAND.
Mr. LYNCH postponed his motion for leave to bring
in a bill or bills for the better employment of the labour-
ing poor in Ireland.

SEWERS.
On the motion of Mr. WARD, a Select Committee
was appointed to inquire into the existing laws respecting
sewers, and suggest such changes in these laws, as well as
in the Board of Commissioners of Sewers, as the public
conveniences may require.
LEAMINGTON SPA.
Mr. TANCRED moved that counsel or agents be ad-
mitted to be heard in support of the petition presented by
certain inhabitants of Leamington Spa, en the 11th of
March, 1834.
Mr. H. HUGHES seconded the motion.
The SPEAKER described to the house the difficulty
which had arisen from the circumstance of two petitions
hiving been presented from the inhabitants of Leamington
Priors, the one complaining of the forgery of their names
to a petition presented on the 25th of June last, the other
stating that their names were properly subscribed to the
said petition.
Mr. ABERCROMBIE, as a member of the committee
to which the subject of the alleged forgeries had been re-
ferred, observed, that when upon asking in the committee
who was the accuser, he was told by the Chairman (the
lion. member for Dover) that he was the accuser. It ap-
peared there actually was no petition, and unless the com-
mittee were assisted by parties who knew the facts of the
case, it would he impossible for them to make a satisfac-
tory report. The house having heard the accusation of
forgery from one of its members, adopted it, and referred
it to the consideration of the committee. Under the cir-
cumstances of the case, however, it might be expedient to
consider whether the proceeding did not tend to establish
a dangerous precedent, and whether the proceedings of the
committee, although they must necessarily be very labo-
rious, could by any possibility lead to a satisfactory result ?
The SPEAKER restated the difficulty of the case,
which was, whether a petition, signed by nine or ten per-
sons, was a sufficient justification for going into an inquiry
whether nearly 300 names to another petition had been
forged or not?
Mr. ABERCROMBIE again dwelt upon the difficulty
which must attend the proceedings of the committee, not
founded on a petition, supported by counsel or agents, but
solely on the speech of a member of that house.
The SPEAKER, under all the circumstance, put it to
the house whether it would not be better to defer any fur-
ther discussion on the point till their next evening sitting
(this day).
After a few words from Mr. S. Rice, Sir R. Inglis,
Lcrd Eastnor, Mr. Aglionby, and Mr. O'Dwyer, the
question was adjourned accordingly.
, Mr. HORTON moved that the order for the second
reading of the bills for the better observance of the Sat)-
, bath in England and Wale') Which stood in the order by

LONDON,
THURSDAY EVENING, MARCH 13, 1834.

In the House of Commons last night, Mr.
BERNAL moved the second reading of the
Hertford Borough Bill, which was met by an
amendment, on the part of Lord G. SOMERSET,
whose professed object was to get rid of the
bill altogether. It wag, however, not pressed
to a division. The Liverpool Freemen Bill
went through a committee, after which Mr.
PETER postponed his motion for an Address to
the Crown for the removal of the Earl of WAR-
WICK, from the Lord Lieutenantcy of War-
wickshire. The night's debates were, on the
whole, remarkably dull, being chiefly confined
to common-place matters of business.

We can hardly conceive any thing more
absurdly impolitic, than for a Roman Catholic
to come forward, at the present time, and call
for the repeal of the oaths administered to
members of that persuasion previous to taking
their seats. It has long been urged by the high
Church party, that Catholics are not to be
trusted—that their oaths and promises and
engagements, of every kind, are vain ; and,
whenever they interfere with their interests, and
more particularly the interests of the Catholic
Church, they are sure to be eluded. That,
however, is not the only charge against
Catholics. It is also said, " Let them
get in the little finger, and, in a short
time they will get in the whole body, they are
so persevering in their plans, so bent on restoring
the supremacy of their religion, so little influ-
enced by scruples and so armed with jesuitical
reasons, that if once they obtain footing on the
vantage ground, they are sure to forget by what
means they gained it, and think only of improving
it, for the aggrandisement of their political and re-
ligious interests." These are not our opinions,
but they certainly were the opinions of a
great portion of the people of England, and
strongly expressed too at the time the Catholic
Relief Bill agitated the country. In order
to satisfy the public mind, therefore, it
was specially enacted that Catholic members
should disclaim, disavow, and solemnly abjure
any intention to subvert the church establish-
ment, and solemnly swear that they would not
exercise any privilege to which they were
entitled as members of parliament, to weaken
the Protestant religion or Protestant govern-
ment within the realm. This was considered
by the great body of Protestants as a security
against any attempts on the part of the Catholics.
The Catholics willingly acceded to the pledge,
and it was accepted as a set off against the Re-
lief Bill. Yet, five years have not elapsed before
the Hon. Member for Dublin comes forward
with a proposition to annul the engagements by
which lie and his party are bound, and do away
with oaths altogether. New light, it appeared,
had broke in upon his mind. Doubts had been
excited by a Catholic magazine as to the mean-
ingmeaning
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and extent of the oath ; and he had even
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. Catholic party grounds of complaint for conces-

sions granted, and proving that their worst pre-
dictions were beginning to be verified ? It will
throw obstacles in the way of further relief, and
atcoffaloetrrhdaotlio tihcnes,Orange party the best excuse for per-
severing in the exclusive system. It will also
damp the endeavours of the friends of religious
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exclaim, and you promised security to the
Church ; but, instead of peace, we have only
agitation and coercion bills, and we are now
threatened with a removal of the only obstacles
to the Catholics in pulling down the Church.
We willingly acquit the more respectable Catho-
lics of any such design, and are sure they will
concur in reprobating any rash, insidious attempts
to revive ancient feuds and awake former sus-
picions. It is certainly singular, but equally
true, that the Catholic leaders have ever been
more anxious to obtain the sort of relief which
would more immediately be of advantage to
themselves than to the great body of the people.
They have obtained a measure by which they
can have seats in Parliament—seats on the
Judicial Bench—seats in the Cabinet, but what
have they done for the relief of the lower classes?
Have they not, on the contrary, opposed mea-
sures which more than any other would benefit
the Catholic population of Ireland—namely
Poor Laws, and provision for the Catholic
clergy ? These would afford relief, but then
discontent would be diminished, and agitation
would fail.

The Paris Papers of Tuesday contain no
news of a domestic nature worthy of any remark.
With respect to Spai❑ the intelligence is very
unsatisfactory, if we may believe the following
abstract from the second edition of a Morning
Contemporary :

" The intelligence from Madrid comes down to the 4th
instant inclusive. It is important, and goes far to justify
the gloomy anticipations which our late communications
were calculated to suggest. It appears by them that con-
fusion reigned in the councils of the Queen; that anarchy
prevailed in the capital ; and that the civil war, which al-
ready existed in many of the provinces, threatened to burst
forth in the remainder. The ordonnance calling out the
Urban Guard, and which had so much disappointed the na-
tion, and produced disorder in many places, has been an-
nulled, in fact, by a new decree, dated the Ist instant,
which recognizes and legalises the various armed volun-
teer bodies already associated and organised in the pro.
vinces. The Carlists had become perfectly audacious in Madrid,
patrolling the streets, and otherwise assuming the attitude of
the regular militia force. A conflict between them and the
troops and liberal citizens took place on the night of the 2d
inst., in which some lives were lost ; and at the date of the last
accounts (seven o'clock p.m. of the 4th inst.) firing was heard
in the quarter of Arapies. The two Castiles were said to be
on the point of raising the standard of revolt. Dun Carlos was
beginning to evince activity, and an intention to re-enter
Spain, and was believed to be amply supplied with money.
The coolness that had arisen between the Queen-Regent and
the other members of the Royal family continued to be a sub-
ject of observation.
.

" Our Tolosa letter estimates the Carlist force in Biscay,
Alava, Guipuzcoa, and Navarre, at 20,000 men, and calculates
on their being double that amount within another month. The
Queen's troops in those provinces did not exceed 12,000 men.
The Carlist Junta had " decreed" that a monthly contribution
be paid by the towns and villages into the " Royal" treasury.
The head-quarters of General Butron were removed, on the
sth instant, from St. Sebastian to Tolosa. Our Bayonne corre-
spondent had learnt from a courier, who had left Madrid on
the sth inst., that at that date that capital was tranquil, and
the Ministry unchanged, and that the conflict above alluded to
had not been of a political character.
" The Spanish Funds maintained themselves in Paris, in
spite of the sombre aspect of affairs in Spain—a circumstance
attributed to the certainty that the money necessary to pay the
dividends had been supplied to the Queen."

The basis of a decree for the convocation of
the Cortes was handed about among certain
parties, but as its genuineness is at best doubt-
ful it is idle to enter into particulars.

FRENCH FUNDS.—PARIS, MARCH 11.
Five per Cents., 104 f. 20c. 45e.
Three per Cents., 78f. 77c. 25c.
Bank Actions, 17801
Rente de Naples, 941. 15c.
Roman Five per Cents., 93%.
Rente d'Espagne, Five per Cents., 1231,(i
Rente d'Espagne, Three per Cents., 40%.
Royal Spanish Loan, 73%
Rente Perpet. d'Espagne, Five per Cents., €276.
Belgian Loan, 1531, Five per Cents , 100.
Hay tian Loan, 275 f.
EXCHANGE ON LONDON.
One month, paper, 251 22 uc. ; money, 25f. 29.6. c.
—C'onrs Authentique.

The German Papers of the 7th instant con-
tain some news from Constantinople of the 11th
of February, to the effect that groat confusion
prevails in the Turkish Councils, in consequence
of a demand by England that the SULTAN
shall renounce the Russian treaty. The arrival
of an English courier from Constantinople at
Vienna, on the 28th of February, is said to have
caused a sensation on 'Change there, but the
affair was expected to blow over.

Brussels papers of the 12th inst. have been
received. It appears that there have been some
hostile indications shown by the Dutch gun-
boats :on the Scheldt, but the affair went off
amicably. The following extracts will be read
with interest, for there is a great deal of_ plausi-
bility in them :

BRUSSELS, MARCH 9.—ln the debate in the Chamber of
Representatives on the 7th, on the motion of M. Hoffsmidt,
respecting the conduct of the ministry in an affair of Luxem-
burg, and which motion was withdrawn after the reply of the
Minister for Foreign Affairs, M. Pirson made the following
speeeh, as reported in the Moniteur Beige. (The other papers
give only some short extracts of it) :
" M. Pirson.—The affairs of Luxemburg are certainly very
serious ; they give me an opportunity to relate to you a con-
versation which I have hitherto kept secret, and th e witnesses
to which I can name.
" If the Minister for Foreign Affairs has nothing to
tell you, if, generally speaking, he thinks himself
authorised to be silent, and this is possible, since with respect
to the claims to be made in Holland, he may say that negocia-
tions are not sufficiently advanced ; I, gentlemen, have other
things to tell you. To enter on thediscussion, I will place you
on:ground where there will be matter for the Chamber to make
serious reflections, and where, under the pretext of replying to
stateie
the Minister for Foreign Affairs, you will have to explain your
wishes with respect to our foreign policy.
:—France was
republicans—of
in a
friends nds
to of
" As soon as I saw the events in Luxemburg, I was per.
suaded (and since what has passed I am fully convinced), that
these events were connected with a project fora restoration, and
o
combustion at all points. Insurrection was every where orga-
nized. Do you believe that these troubles, theseinsurrections,
:vperroevteheit as
work f patriots—of
truev
their country ? No ! Now, as at all times, they are wretches
bearing the name of Frenchmen, or agents paid by foreigners,
who alone endeavour to sow trouble and anarchy in France.
And what was the object of these agitators ? It was no other,
you may be assured, than the re-establishment of the
ancient dynasty and a new restoration. Do you not
think—do you not see it proved by the accounts of
all the journals—do you not see that the events in
Luxemburg, were but a fire-ship launched by way of prelude?
If France had been thrown into combustion, as there was rea-
son to think, by the troubles which broke out simultaneously
at Paris, Lyons, and Marseilles ; and if, on the other hand, the
attempts made against this country had increased, this fact
would have remained. Louis Philip, employed with his troops
in restoring order in France, would not have been able to
come to our assistance—the restoration would have been ac-
complished in Belgium. Then the Powers would have
said to France, It is an accomplished fact, which
cannot now be changed.' What prevents my feeling
any doubt of the reality of this project, is the conversation
which I have mentioned, and which I am going to have the
honour to relate to you.
" I had this conversation with Marshal Gerard. The persons
who were witnesses to it were the Marquis de Chasteler, the
Abbe Bouqueau and Pweleine, the Count de Baillet.
" Marshal Gerard told us that he knew, and that he had the

proofsthe King _A
two parts ; the one to excite troubles in France, the other t°
objecti
in hisof hands,
Holland,th that several sovereigns,
edajoint r:dri,gdiwvihdo:l;
get rid of Louis Philip. (Pour se defaire de.)
500,000 He fimoertisofvediz.,t3hoeo,7omo
tporeoxpeoiste:trboyublHe,taXlo;o
rid of Louis Philip. made
~ This fact appeared to us so extraordinary that we
was
well inclined to pay for exciting troubles in France, h
.744
uns. We said that we did not doubt that Hollandu.
Louis Philipassassinated (pour faire assassiner Louis Pfi r
sisted, and said that he was certain of the fact.
ances are
this appeared to us too much (trap fort). Marshal Gerard per'
" You see by this, Gentlemen, that the circurnst e
ma__
serious. If the troubles in France should becom
morr:
alarming—France would not then be able
serious—if the troubles in France should
We must therefore be ourselves in a condition as
hinder
Oitteg:t
° reduce
a restoration. It is, therefore, not the moment .0
robable
our army, we ought rather to increase it.
It
ixsenia)burg in
that the intention was to send all our forces to Luse .
~ c reure.
order to advance hy another road to Brussels. Th' -1, eet
w(nhoitehn,otoincintghethsen
stances may return. France is in a volcano--we must e'P
nothing from it. diset.'
" If difficulties should increase, and our army should be
'T. Must
ganized, as in 1831, what would become of us ? N''' „me
not make savings by reducing the army. At the sarne_,l,4l
we must declare and this will have a good effect for the PPu_tet.
Loan money), that we will deduct from our share of the d o'
the expenses that we shall be obliged to bear in order to place
°Mesist us.
ourselves in a state of defence."
The Minister for Foreign ffairs said a few words in replY
conversationggeon
o f lqw.
hf
b. ize of a forcible entry at night and robbing
withdrew his motion. •
staAntmsTErtnam, MARC,, 10. The Handelsblad Con-
says—"
0 A.spolari, alias Carrara, was to-day found guilty by the Court
a ited house, and ' scaffold at the
condemned to stand on a
Hague for half an hour ; to be confined for twelve years in t,
house of correction
; to the payment of the costs ; with orders
for an extract and
of the sentence to be posted up at the Hague
at Brussels; and *0
the hands of renal, Gme.ratil
o),fainaftidtr
that the articles, as many of them as are 1
justice, shall be restored to the owners.
In the course of yesterday, Polari narrated all the circunt-
ilGheill'idiaebr
stances that preceded,
of the diamond •
accompanied, and followed the robber/
s ; he repeated his previous declaration, that
he was the sole person co d that it
was suggested to him ncerned in the robbery ; and
by the gold ornaments, which he thought
he could distinguish from the street in the palace of the Prince;
that he never had any communication with any person I►s the
palace." in an un

BELGIAN FUNDS.—BRUSSELS, MARCH 11.
Actual Debt, 2 % per Cent. 5l
Rothschild's Loan, 5 per Cent 971
Loan of the City, 1834, 4 per Cent 94
DUTCH FUNDS—AMSTERDAM, MARCH 8.
Actual Debt, 2!4 per Cent. 5O
Ainort Syndic, 4y.i per cent.
—Brussels Papers, March 12.

We are happy to perceive that the SOLI'
CITOR-GENERAL last night gave notice that he
would to-morrow move for a Select Cony,
mittee to consider the present state of
the Law of Libel, and to report their
opinion to the house. It is high timethat the government should take up tn's
most oppressive, because the most uncertain
and anomalous of any law, ancient or
The new SOLICITOR-GENERAL has begun
well, and will do himself eternal honour by
reducing the libel law to the standard of on'i;
mon sense and common justice, from b°t
which it has hitherto been as far removed .
the polesasunder. modern.