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London, England, 1834-02-20 00:00:00

averages of several counties, but let it be remembered that
none of those were Southern COantl s.

M. LITTLETON oh,erved that he had taken them
from Armap„h, CiVall, Fermanagh, Kilkenny, Leitrim,
Londonderry,' Mayo, an 4 Sligo. Kilkenny certa:9ly was
the only one of the southern counties.

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pneu,boer of tithe payers had been diminished by the Corn
u
r
it
(Hear, bear.) In all villages and s,naens were now
a' towns in
chargedlrela
Ireland,
the labourers with small kitchen gardens
with tithes which they never paid before the Composition
Act.
The averages of the Right Hon. Gentleman had
been taken from persons occupying small plo(tsoefg, hear. roundo)f
ground,
and who paid but a few farthings in tithe._Har,
He entered into these details not with the disposition
finding fault with the Hon. Gentleman, but with a
melancholy presentiment of the way in which the
measure would he received in Ireland. It would at first
be received with a shout of ridicule—that he did not
fear; but next it would be thought of in a more serious
manner, and of that he thought every one had a
right to be afraid.—(Hear, hear.) Why should not
the Government take other measures to put an end
to the tithe agitation, which had been in existence for
the last 75 years ? There certainly had been a lull
lately, but it was the crse even in the worst of
storms, and so it was now. He was afraid tbat the
measure propounded by the Right Hon. Gentleman
would again stir up the passions of the people. They
might again renew their bloody laws; it %ould he
in the recollection of the House that only a short
time ago the punishment of death was put upon
all offences, even the most slight resistance to the payment
of tithes. They might again renew those laws, but it
would not nuke the payment of tithes more eel.—
(Hear, bear.) How should a statesman look at a ques-
tion which had been agitated so violently I.y a whole people
for such a length of time as seventy years? It was not the
amount of money that was objected to, but the manner in
which that money was applied—(Hear, bear)—that
caused the extent of dissatisfaction that prevailed. That
agitation bad existed for sixty or seventy years, and
he defied the Right Honourable Gentleman to deny that
it was not now as vigorous as it ever was. If
there had been a lull, as no doubt there bad been,
it was only caused by the faith the people of Ire-
land put in the promises of the Right Honourable
Gentleman, which were now to be all falsified.
This was the extinction they had been promised. Whit
was before tithe was now to he called land.tax. The
grievance was not to be extinguished nor lessened: nay,
in some instances it was to be increased, he believed, one-
third—

Nugvgrkei
doneaatte es it
of
all .
Mr. LITTLETON—One-thirtieth.
Mr. O'CONNELL—The Hon. Member now said one-
thirtieth, and on a former day he had said one-third !
This was the way in which he was legislating for Ire-
land. He (Mr. O'C.) would venture to tell him that
he was legislating in the dark—that he was consulting
neither the feelings, nor the wants, nor the wishes of the
people of Ireland. He might still go on with his sys-
tems, but they would be found unavail,ng. The pimple
of Irsland had been themselves so ctimin tl in their oppo-
sition to tithes, that people could feel. no compassion
for them, but instead of palliating
.remedies for
butthos
re t, tthhe
ee.
Ire-
land, tut'
and
auk,ld stn itl
of fleece Government
tetit;heneyemmpee,ornemtas
present
had
tdacodoweriidc
Administration
with
mn
this
til
si'
w
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rwyrthtlhil:
gave them a
‘lh,a,uirunadul
inning
xgg
.s thatpity
fi was The Hon.
nteverhoenp.
~
Gentlemantbersot ogtheti
clergy,
ii,reetohntehl
then he
leicenocuendt
sum of 60,0001. to relieve their distresses, and then he took
all the powers with which the law armed him of execution
for debt, seizure of the person, and, in short, every mode
that could be had recourse to to get back his 60,0001.
He understood that 12,0001. had been recovered, and
that it cost 28,0001. to get it back.—(An Hon. Member
exclaimed 20,0001.) As far as he (Mr. O'Connell)
could collect, it had cost 28,0001., and he had
endeavoured to mace thaough the returns for the pur-
pose of ascertaining the fact. He would prefer bring
contradicted by the Right lion. Gentleman himself
but at all events, it was admitted that 20,0001. was thus
expended. Nay, what was worse, horse, foot, artillery,
and marines (for he understood five or six com-
panies eif marines were thus employed), were put
in requisition, and scoured the country from one
end to the other, at least three provinces out of the
four to get back this 12.0001., and thus.horse, foot, and
artillery were sent hunting after pigs, and many after
cattle, and carrying off the clothing of the peasantry,
women as well es men, and thereby got up as pretty a
scene of predial agitation as ever was witnessed in Ire-
land.—(Loud cries of Hear, hear.) What followed ?
They then came down with their Coercion Bill,
instead of conciliating, they laid this blister upon the
shoulders of the people. This was the first step in tithes,
the second was the Bill brought in by the Right
Honourab'e Gentleman to composition, and there never
was a Bill so grossly opposed to the interests of the people.
What were they about to do now ? They were about to
turn the landlords of Ireland into tithe proctors._
(Cheers.) He implored them to pause before they did
so ; let them recollect, that it was not the amount of the
payment, but the application of the money that went to
the hearts of the people of Ireland. They bad a double
object in view—one was in full force, the other
which had been kept as much as possible out of the view
of the people—he meant the rent—would be soon as much
agitated as tithes had ever been. They had hitherto been
separate. Landlords of Ireland look to yourselves ! You
are made by this act tithe proctors, and rest assured that
agitation will soon be applied to rent as well as to tithes.
He implored the House not to ent still greater miseries
upon Ireland, or they would soon find that an attack upon
a sinecure church would be soon turned into one upon
landlords and rent. He felt it his duty to protest
against this Bill as holding out the smallest species
of relief to Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) He protested
against it, as holding out no alleviation whatever
to the miseries of Ireland. Why could they not legistate
with common sense? There was not common sense in
Ireland.—(Loud laughter.) He thanked them for that
cheer ; he really deserved it for asking them to act with
common sense towards Ireland, for when had they done so ?
—(Cheers.) He would ask them what would the people
of England think, if they had a monarch like James 11.,
with a subservient Parliament, or if one of the illustrious
house of Brunswick should take up the prejudices of the
ex-illuitrious house of Stewart—if ha shouid reconcile
himself with the Pope of Rome, and if he lad a majority
of that House with him—supposed he passed a law giving
all the livings of Protestants to a Catholic clergy,
he would ask them what would be the feeling of the people of
Englanc? They would, anti ought, to look with just indig-
nation and abhorrence upon the wretched imitator of James
11. They (the Government) wanted to preserve the sinecure
Church in Ireland. There are thirty parishes in Ireland,
and not a single Protestant in them. In the southern
parts of Ireland, nine-tenths of the Protestant Ministry
had no congregation. He (Mr. O'Connell) called
on them to disengage the people of Ireland from p tying
for a church they derived no benefit from.—(Hear,
But that was not the scheme adopted. No ; the Right
HonourableGentlemansmriales,na,bi onuthe.( Hear,is_planis hear.notoe
that can be called a ti,)
It would be vecy cruel to send a class of gentlemen
like the Protestant clergymen of Ireland adrift upon the
world. No one in that House would be more anxious
than he (Mr. O'Connell) was to preserve them in the
t
li
supply
pil
is no
enyoo,ovutntiirohtnei
itehiy.eatfrhti
litefothratecooinalitsaatceeeyet:tivena.e,ianotrt
ntaryeyti es,sp
atawtbunir,
uatiti
thing
scotgams:
tatfloeesrtsetesvhlisahfebtnoaneydrti,ett(R.tittowie.antfiLroti
Ehartel)entaineet:tuachi
I.iwrce.aanhhot
State
church
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eusp.oenhattherpeleiig;en,,daacbetuetietiveleetnditudlnietnmo
e
church. What was attempted to be done in Scotland
nyDot couldehsi
ntge theli Right Hto
driven to their moors and their fastnesses, but they came
hint
nd if
dmounderetvann
bu
t.
tt forbe toleration
Air.
oivn
ornenl iegloilof)na.
vernroent) to the earth; they did not fight for any thinghat
clergyl e rey
would
on u Ireland e
ul aont
If the BishoP's
they could not.
ft
rhlear. cs
woetial bld e
have n otdbesanattyh
,the continue
pe
pslien sinecure
pretextuld
all
the troeli
religions
giveo its tod duty
ye
to Friars,perf,a4nold thus;
sso
the secular clergy would not, and if both accepted of it
the. parish Priests and Bishops would be deserted, and the
abhorrent is the idea of a connection between Church and
State to the Irish people. He (Mr. O'C.) is an organ of
a great portion of the Roman Catholics in Ireland,
and he could sly, that no measure would be more
dastardly condemned than any connection between Church
and state. He cilled on them to alleviate the condition
of the people; to pause before this bill he laid on the table.
The Right lion. Gentleman made some mistakes on legal
points. He (Mr. O'Connell) would make no observa-
tions on that, as they must have proceeded from hi-
not being acquainted with law ; but he roe
to protest against any acquiescence in the Bill,
introduced by the Right Hon. Gentleman. He (heap
proved of it in tofu. It afforded no relief, it effect:d
no alteration in their present grievances. What matter
was it whether the lash was laid on too high or too Io e,
if they still continued to flog, and the unhappy victim
accepted they
o"Gf'ot