The Sun.
London, England, 1834-12-04 00:00:00

and reprisals, has its dangers, and that it would be more
safe, and at the same time more honourable, to make a
way to conciliation by clemency ? Speak and vote against
the law which has been submitted to you, and you will
drive out the Ministry. It is well said the project has
but one article : its consideration, it is to be hoped, will
not last long ; and we shall learn by the division whether
the Chamber is able to comprehend the wishes of the coun-
'try, and to make them respected. The defiance, given in
these terms, might appear sufficiently formal. The Ministry
did not think it proper to take this course. After M.
Thiers, M. de Rigny mounted the tribune, and informed
the majority, in the name of all Ms colleagues, that it
was their intention to provoke them to categorical ex-
planations. " The Crown," he observed, has not ad-
dressed the Chamber, because, in making it depart from
the accustomed usages, we should have feared to en-
gage it more than was proper in our quarrel. We
present ourselves to our adversaries alone, but united,
and ready to accept the mode of discussion which shall suit
you." It is unfortunate for the hero who spoke these
words of defiance from the tribune, that his defective me-
mory and his trembling voice betrayed his hesitation and
alarm. While proclaiming the unanimity of the Ministry,
he ought to have avoided displaying the constraint to which
he had himself submitted. M. de Rigny has made an en-
gagement of which he already regrets. This was the ob-
servation of every one who heard him. But by what right
does M. de Rigny speak in the name of the Council ? Is
it for the purpose of rendering more mournfully comic the
position of the Duke de Treviso, who, although present,
was thus despoiled of his right and his functions ? Is it
for the purpose of honouring the highest dignitary of the
army, that a point is always made of having a Marshal at
the head of the Cabinet ? The army would indeed be
proud if it could see the fine part at the present moment
performed by the actual President in the sight of the
Chambers ! Who then, has had the cruelty to tear
the old invalid soldier from his sinecure, which is so dear
to him, to expose him to such affronts ? It would have
been something if he had been charitably advised to remain
in the Chamber of Peers, or if the supposition might be en-
tertained, that he abstained from speaking because he, a
new comer into the Cabinet, had nothing to answer for
with respect to a system pursued for the last two years.
But no. M. de Rigny took pains to say, and to repeat, that
he spoke in the names of all his colleagues. Strange per-
tinacity, when nobody was ignorant that he did not express
even his own opinions! What! it is in the name of Ad-
miral Duperre, whose refusal was with so much difficulty
overcome, that an act of adhesion to the system of the llth
of October is demanded ! It is in the name of this
poor Duke de Treviso, who sighs for his sinecure, and
trembles to see it taken from him. Speak for M.
Thiers and M. Guizot if you will, since the pensee inzmu-
able finds it convenient to conceal itself at the present mo-
ment behind their responsibility ; but do not think of doing
so for the rest. We should be curious to know what M. de
Persil himself will be able to say, when he is asked why he,
who belongs body and soul to the system, separated himself
from his colleagues, and took place in the Ministry of the
three days ? Were the indissoluble bonds only formed
since that period, or rather, was M. Persil still the
man of the Doctrinaires in the Ministry of the tiers parti
We call on him to explain in an honourable manner
his presence in these two camps. It is very easy to per-
ceive that the pretended unanimity of the Ministry is quite
a recent invention, by the aid of which it is hoped to in-
crease the embarrassments of the majority. They all hold
together by the hand because none of them feel strong in
the heart. They are like unskilful soldiers, who would be
drowned on passing a river if they did not in a body break
the current of the water. Let the Chamber be as little
intelligent as it is thought, it will, we believe, resent the
outrage which has been offered it. It will understand that
the little Ministerial league wishes to force it to capitulate.
" You demand a change of system," they are told ; " it is
your right, doubtless, but among the whole of you, such as
you are, find eight men • like us." We admit that there
would be great difficulty in finding Ministers equal in capa-
city to M. le Duc de Treviso, in political consistency to M.
de Rigny and M. Thiers, in popularity to M. Persil and
M. Guizot! When the Chamber and the tiers parti shall
have made this avowal of impotency, nothing more will
remain for us but to sing over their remains the De Pro-
fundis. Still there is no symptom yet that the tiers parti
will fail before its adversaries. The Ministry has acted the
bully's part, and summoned the Chambei to make known
its sentiments. Yet, when M. Etienne referred to the
fanious address, the known expression of the wishes of the
majority, he was met by mere hollow assertions from the
organ of M. Guizot. " You call on us to explain our-
selves," said M. Etienne ; " accept the address—yes or no ;
according to your answer we will reply." " Yes and no,"
replied the chief of the Doctrine, and thus the grand battle
was adjourned.

CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES.—SITTING OF DEC. 1
(Continued from The Sun of yesterday.)

The Minister for Foreign Affairs said, that in every ses-
sion the 'speech from the throne and the address naturally
furnished- aza opportunity for the discussion of the princi-
ples and views of Government. This opportunity was at
present wanting, the Crown having declared itself on the
31st of July. It would have been perhaps advantageous,
and certainly constitutional, had the voice so respected by
by the Chamber been again heard. The answer of the
Chamber to a second speech from the throne would have
produced explanations as ardently desired by Ministers as
by the Chamber. Ministers would not call to the aid of
their responsibility the august authority which had invested
them with power. They alone were responsible for the
acts of Government. They were ready to accept the mode
of discussion, the adoption of which was desired. A
number of bills had been submitted to the Chamber, and
their discussion would in its progress furnish a simple me-
thod of deciding on them ; but the moment for opening
that discussion was not immediately at hand, as a certain
time must elapse for the preparatory examination of the
communications made to the Chamber. If the Chamber
thought proper to enter upon the solemn discussion of the
general affairs of the country—if any Deputy wished to put
questions to the Administration—the Minister in his own
name, and in that of his colleagues, would agree to that me-
thod. If the Chamber was not desirous of employing that
mode, Ministers would wait, and the discussion of the bills
would furnish the opportunity of a clear and categorical ex-
planation on every point. The Chamber had a right to de-
mand what were the Ministerial system and views ; but Mi-
nisters, on their side, had a right to tell the Chamber and
the country at the price of what system it was possible for
them to accept the heavy charge imposed on them.—(Great
agitation amongst the left centre.)
The President said that as no proposition had been made,
he had nothing to put to the vote.—( Various murmurs.)
M. Etienne (from his place, and amidst cries of " Silence,
silence, hear, hear,") observed that the Chamber had made
an unequivocal, frank, and loyal answer to the speech from
the Throne—(a laugh on the extreme right), and he would
ask Ministers whether they accepted the address or not ?
(Murmurs from several parts of the Chamber, and laughter
from the left.)
Berryer thought that when the Minister for Foreign
Affairs commenced his observations, he would at once enter
into explanations on the political system of government ;
be, however, seemed disposed to urge the Chamber to com-
mence this political discussion. This proceeding seemed
strange to the Hon. Deputy, and he could not believe that
the Chamber would sanction it, as it was for the members
of the Chamber to put questions when they might deem it
fitting to do so, without waiting for the opinion of Ministers
on the subject.
The Minister of Public Instruction said, that the Minister
for Foreign Affairs spoke in the name of all his colleagues,
and addressed advice or demand to none. Undoubtedly every
member of the Chamber had aright to make propositions and
to put questions. Ministers, on their side had a right to de-
clare that explanations appeared to them desirable, and that
they were ready to give them when demanded. The words of
the Minister for Foreign Affoirs had no other meaning. In
answer to M. Etienne, he could only say that it did not
belong to Ministers to accept or reject the addresses of the
Chamber. All addresses were accepted by the King, and
the duty of Government was not to interpret such or such
acts, but frankly to declare its opinion, and to claim that
support and that harmony, without which it could not sa-
tisfy the wants of the country.—(Murmurs.)
The President—lt results from all this, that every de-
puty has a right to speak when he thinks proper. No de-
puty at present claiming that right, the sitting is adjourned.
—( Marks of astonishment among the deputies on the left.
Laughter from the centre.)
M. Lemercier demanded that the standing committees
should be organized immediately.--(Hear, hear, from the
centre.)
It is was accordingly decided that the Chamber should
immediately form standing committees, and name the pre-
sidenr.s and secretaries of those committees.

Adjourned at half-past three.
SITTING OF DECEMBER 2.

At two o'clock M. Dupin took the chair.
The minutes of the sitting of yesterday were read and
adopted.

The Chamber proceeded to verify the qualifications of
several deputies ; a number were admitted, and some ad-
journed.
M. Bcrryer having been named by the three. Electoral
Colleges of Toulon, Toulouse, and Marseilles, declared his
option for Marseilles.
Such of the Deputies as had been admitted and were
present took the oath.
The Pre&i(lo.44 observed, that as the Committee on the
Pacitions had nothing ready, and that as nothing was noted
for the order of the dap he would a.diourn the sitting ; and