The Sun.
London, England, 1833-10-15 00:00:00

LAMBETH-STREET.

EXTENSIVE ROBBERY OF JEWELS AT VISCOUN.
TESS DE TAGOATRY'S, PICCADILLY.—Yesterday
Hineke and Henry Hanekford were placed withii
the bar More T. WALKER and J. HARDWICK,

E,qrs., charged with stealing a writing-desk, con-
taining a gold snuff-box, a brilliant cross, bracelet.,
ear-rings, trinkets, 100 sovereigns, and several pieces
of foreign gold coin, amounting to near 2,000/., from
the mansion of Viscountess de Tagoatry, 9.5, Pic-
cadilly._

Mr. Riches, the landlord of the Bull's Head pub-
lic-house, in Lower East Smithfield, stated that
between nine and ten on Saturday night the prisoner
lin,cks drove up to his door in a hackney-coach,
arid having got out of the vehicle he carried into h:s
bar the %%11611g-desk now produced. He asked for
Ciptam Carter, belonging to Maldon, and on being
told that there was no such person there, he said it
was somewhat odd. as the Captain had PromiTted to
meet him there about that hour. He then called for
half a pint of b er, and said he wanted some person
to pick the lock of the desk for him, as he had lost
the key, and in a short time afterwards Mr. Dent, a
smith in the neighbourhood, was brought by :be
prisoner for that purpose.
Mr. Dent depo•ed that about ten o'clock on Sa-

turday night he was sent for to where he had been
with a few ft lends, and, on going home, he saw the
prisoner, who told him that he wa., come from sea,
and had a chest which he wished to have forced
open. Wiines4 accompanied him to the Bull'?,
Head, and there saw the writing-desk now pruduced,
and the prisoner pointed it our as the one which he
wished to have opened. Perceiving the name,
" Chevalier Bezerra," engraven on a brass plate on
the top, he asked the prisoner if he was the " Che-
val,er," and he replied that he was, but subsequently
said that he was the Chevalier's brother, but Ow

the property in the b was his. Witness then
endeavoured to pick the lock, but it was so good
that he c•mld not, and he was obliged to force it 'pen
with a screwdriver. As soon as it was open the pri-
scoer popped his hand into it, and took out a paper
containing fifty sovereigns, and instantly went to the
bar and changed one of them, and c tiled for a glass
of gin and water. His conduct and appearance
excited his (witness's) suspicions that he had not
come honestly by the property, and lie in
conse-
quence went for two pacemen to take him into
custody.
Police constable Cumming, 11 186, in conse-
quence of the information of the I.ist witness aecom-
partied him to the Bull's Head publ c-house, and on
his arrival there he found the prisoner, and forty-nine
sovereigns and some silver were taken from his
pockets. Witness perceiving that he had taken
something out of one of his pockets which he en-
deavoured to destroy, he forced open his hand, and
found in it a letter addressed to his wife at Vis-
countesS de Tagoatry's house, two duplicates, and
an order signed by one of the overseers of St.
George's, Hanover-square, and dated on Saturday
last, for the prisoner's admission into the workhouse.
These documents confirmed the suspicions before
entertained, and he removed the prisoner to the
station-house.

Mr. ln•pecror Norman produced the writing.desk
and its valuable contents, among which was a snuff-
box of the value of 800 guineas, presented by the
late Emperor Alerinder to Chevalier Bezerra (the
late husband of the Viscountess de Tagoatry),
while that gentleman was Ambassador at St. Peters-
burgh from the Brazils.

William Aldetton and Mrs. Lacy, the former the
huller, and the latter housekeeper to Viscountess
de Tagoatry, identified the writing-desk and the
whole of the property as belonging to her Ladyship.
The prisoner Hincks declined saying anything
in defence, and Hanckford denied the charge.
Both, however, w le remanded until Wednesday.

HATTON- GAR DEN
Yesterday Thomas Green, aged twenty, and
Arthur Ifinsley, aged Is, were brought before Mr.
LAING, charged by Robert Crheen (the fdther of the
former prisoner), landlord of the New Meilne.s
Cave, Spatields, on suspicion of having robbed him
of a copper boiler, and 2241.

Both the piisoners were remanded until Saturday
next, and ordered to be confined separately.
The prosecutor's eldest sou, with tears in his
eyes, requested Mr. Laing to allow him a private
interview with his brother.
Mr. LAING--For what purpose do you wish it ?
Mr. Green—lt is possible it 1 question him that he
will inform me what he has dune with the property.
Mr. LAING said it was the Magistrate's duty to
inve•tigaie the matter, and refused to giant the re-
quest, and gave directions that nobody should see
either of the prisoners without an order frotn him.

THAMES POLI(E.
EXTRAORDINARY CHARGE.—Yesterday .Captain
William Laing the (nester of the ship Sally, of

ASSESSED TAXES.

A numerous and respectable meeting was hell
last night at the Duke of York, Munster-street,
Regent's-park, for the purpose of obtaining the
abolition of the assessed taxes, particularly those on
windows and houses; Mr. Wood in the chair.
The minutes of the last meeting were read and
confirmfd.

Mr. WOOD read a letter that he had rec.-ived
from Mr. Cordwell, secretary to the Householders'
Association of Marylrbooe, held at the Mechanics'
Institution Tavern, Circus-street, New-road, soli-
citing a deputation to attend on Wednesday next,
at otae o'clock, at the Yorkshire Stingo Tavern, to
take into consideration business of the greate.t im-
portance.

The following resolution was then moved—" That
householders do form numerous deputation at this
ry n*Anck, next Wednesday, to
proceed, agreeably to a regulation, hu a body to the
Yorkshire Stingo, at 1 o'clock," which was se-
conded arid calved unanimously.
Mr. APDIARMID, the secretary, read the roo ur
a leiter which he had written to. Lord Althorp,
communicating the ploceedii.gs at the meeting on
Monday. la.t, to which no answer had been returned.
The CHAIRMAN read a letter /*tom Sir William
Horne to him, to the following effect

" 49, Upper ii•riey ,treat, Sunday.
" Sir,—l have to apologize to you for not sooner an-
swering your letter upon the subject of to morrow's meet-
ing ; but as it referred to a printed placard wh ch was not
enclosed, and did not specify either the plitc.r of meeting
. .

or the name of the chtiiman, I felt in dote t what the
toasting was to be. Finding, however, a plac lid upon
my table, advertising a meeting for Alonday, with the
name of Mr. Mackinnon in the chair, I presume !hat is
the mee•ing inten ed. There is no dory, Sir, witch I
f ei more incumbenton to , or whieia Ishall more cheerfully
discharge, than that of attending to the wishes, awl pio-
anoting the inter!sts, of my immediate constituents, and
if I thought that nay personal attendance to m arrow would
be u-eful, I would certainly be there ; but as I oinierve that
the meeting is called, according to the placard, • to take
into cousid ration the p•oper means to be adopted in con-
s, quence of the decision of his Majesty's .Min:siers respect-
ing the assess. d taxes,' I feel (connected as I am wi h his
Majesty's Government, and atter the vot' which I have
felt it my duty to give upon the late motion) toy presence
could not eff-ct any usetui purpose. Let me, however,
dd , as I do most truy, that no man disapproves of the
house anti widow taxes, in princ;p'-, more titan myself',
as bearing most In-avily and hardly upon a large class of
the most meritorious inhabitants of this borough, and that
in the vote I gave against their abolition, I 'aid so only
',muse I felt that their immediate abolition was into•sible
without a most dangerous diunnutien of the existing re-
venue, unless a substitute could be provided to supp;y the
deficiency, and as the only substitute seriously proposrd was
a property or income tax, or both, I felt then, as I do now,
that by a premature vote upiaa the sulja-ct Itnight not only
embarrass the public, but probAly injure, instead of bene-
fit, the inhabitants of the borough.
" I am, Sir, yours, &c.
" To Mr. Wood." " W. HORNE,"
Several parishioners addressed the meeting upon
the opprei.sive nature of the assessed taxes,
Mr. JOHNSON, of the Association for the Aboli.
tion of the as,essed taxes, held at the Angel, St.
Giles's, spoke at some length of the unanimity that
existed between the different associations for that
purpose.

After further observations of no moment ti.,o
meeting adjourned.

The principal inhabitants of the parish of
Culmstock, in this county, have pregenred to Oaavius
Temple, Esq., lately appointed Lieutenant-G ivernor of
Sierra Leone, an address on his departure for that col.}ny,
expressive 9f their Conks for his wrvices, and gentlemanly
c,.nduct towards them, during his res;dence in the parish,
and of ti,eir ardent wishes for his safe return.—North
Devon Advertiser.

TURKISH COURTSHIP.—When a Turk feel
disposed to get married, he communicates his wishes
to his mother, or some near female re.ative, to
whom he gives a description of the kind of woman he
would wish to make his wife. The lady applied to then
.allies forth, accompanied by a host of female friends, to
visit every house in the neighbourhood where young un-
married women are likely to be met with. 'nose who
appear to answer the purpose undergo a thorough exam!:
nation ; their hair is regularly combed to see that it .9_,!!!
heir own; their mouths are open, d, that, it. may beo ""
Property
whether the teeth therein contained are legrtimvaetreypt
partP of
al the jaw. in which they appear;
it is every
by
the body is viewed, to ascertain that lamna,de
to oink up
stay deformity; and, final y, they are
I are exempt from
. ti.":),, ayfaithlul report IN
and down the room, tat show
raut.-ness. After tiie.e exammtrub°,
chnic, is fixe.,
limn,.
al bearer of the COMIniNSI 'II
.:se.r:ingers are sent buck to inwie
liaatdeelyi,n a tni(lie
,phreorasruTeqatuelsr.pt
l'irandi Pri`iir,,lrawl:,.l, .bppera of two different c•,louts, a or
appears r.
Eh" j .sid msrk i.ticates at once the etrand on wit •:a
he— el ~„,..°
. . ta
Tate o:lier preliminaries are then six' ti
Adjusted,
and the nuptial day fixed.

MIDDLESEX QUARTER SESSIONS.

(THIS DAY.)

(Before B. ROTCH. 'EI., and full Bench of Magistrates.)
It having been pretty genera'ly known that the trial of
Palmer, one of the bill stealing fraternity, was fixed to
come on first this morning, long before the Court was
opened the hall was much crowded by a very anxious mul-
titude. Shortly after 10 o'clock the Chairman took his
seat on the bench, accompanied by many of the magistracy
of the county.
Henry Palmer, a very fashionably dressed man, appa-
rently about 40 years of age, was then placed at the bar,
and the petty jury was then called. On two names being
read over, the prisoner objected to them, but without
assigning any reason ; their places were supplied by others.
The Jury having been sworn, the indictment was read.
It contained eieht counts, but the principal one on
which the prosecutors rest, is that which charges
the prisoner with feloniously receiving ten bills
of exchange for 500/., he at the same time well
knowing them to have been stolen. Another count
charged him with receiving ten pieces of paper, with a
stamp attached, value 6s.
As soon as the prisoner had been arraigned,
Mr. ALLEY (who, wi h Mr. PRENDERGAST, appeared
for the prisoner) said, that as he had only received his
brief last night at ten o'clock, be had not, of course, been
able to make himself fairly master of the facts of the
ease. The charge, however, was one of such a serious
nature, and one which would naturally raise very nice
que-tions of law, that he was of opinion the trial of it
ought to come on before a higher tribunal. An applica-
tion to that effect bad been made to Mr. Justice Parke,
not to remove it into the Kit g's Bench. but merely to the
Old Bai'ey ; but he was of opinion that he could not grant
the application, without the concurrence of the prosecutor.
He trusted that his Learned Friend would now give that
consent, or, at all events, that the Bench would see the
necessity of sending the case to the Judges of the find.
Mr. ADOLPHUS (who, with Mr. PHILLIPS and Mr.
CLAaxsosr, appeared for the prosecution) said he bad
never before heard of such an application. He could not
for a moment think of giving his consent to it.
The CHAIRMAN ruled that the trial should go on.
The prisoner then applied that all the witnesses on both
sides should be ordered out of Court.

The COURT granted the application.
The prisoner then said, " Mr. Chairman, you are a
witness ; I have served you with a subpsena, and must ex-
amine you."
Mr. Anoemtus—Surely you do not wish that the
Chairman should leave the Court.
Mr. ROTCH—lndeed I think that is the true meaning
of the application. However, I will he in Court, and
will he examined if it is considered necessary.
Mr. ADOLPOUS then stated the case to the Jury. After
some general observations upon the nature of the money
lending system, he sail the prosecutor was a man of very
great respectability, being the son of Sir Dugdale Astley,
Bart. He had also married into a family of equal rank
and respectability, ste., into that of Sir Thomas Leth-
bridge. He had enjoyed the benefits of a good education,
and what most surprised him (Mr. A.) was, that a man
that had been educated at one of the Universities, and had
seen a little of the world, should have been made the victim
of such a palpable trick as it was his duty to lay
before the jury. Mr. Astley was a man, even now, that
might be considered wealthy, and certainly had very great
expectations. Like many more in his rank of life, he was
in want of a supply of ready money. On looking over the
columns of the Morning Post, some day in July last, be
was attracted by an advertisement headed—" Money to
lend." 2,0001. was to be lent by a retired tradesman, at 44
per cent., to gentlemen of known respectability. The appli-
cation was to be made by letter to P. Moreton, 35, Univer-
sity-street. He (Mr A.) would he able to show that the per son
who was here called P. Moreton, was no other than the
notorious John Minter Hatt. Mr. Astley, seeing this
advertisement, and being in want of the money, wrote to
this Mr. Moreton, stating to him who he was, what his
connections were, and the expectations he had for the
future; in fact, stating all that he could think of likely to
induce a wealthy man to trust him for a time. In
consequence of that letter a correspondence took place be-
tween him and the pretended Mr. Moreton, and ulti-
mately Mr. Moreton waited upon Mr. Astley at Basing
Park, when the advance was agreed upon,—Mr. Astley to
pay the interest half yearly. In the course of the con-
versation, Hart said it would be necessary that he should
draw upon Mr. Astley for the money, the bills to be of
a short date, and to be renewed as they fell due, and at
the same time produced ten blank stamps, of the value
of 6s. each, which be desired Mr. Astley to ac-
cept, and he would fiil them up at his leisure, and
as he had an opportunity of getting them cashed.
Mr. Astley wrote across them the words " Pay-
able," and the name of his Banker. '1 his was no
sooner done, than Hart, he supposed, thrown off his
guard by what he considered the success of his schemes,
put nn h;11. ,bat state, and set off without ever
looking at them. When he got to town, however, he
found out that his success was not quite complete, for
the la s, in their then state, were not so valuable as before
they were written upon ; in consequence of which he again
wrote to Mr. Astley, and solicited another interview
upon the subject ; that was granted, when Mr. Astley
was induced to add his name to the writing on the bills
and the word " accepted." This was done under the
promise that the bills were to be discounted in a day er
two, and the money to be paid to him. Mr. Astley
never once suspected the honesty of the transaction—net
even when day after day passed and no money was forthcom-
ing. He was fed upon and buoyed up by almost daily
excuses from the pretended Mr. P. Moreton. Things went
on in that wry for a time, Mr. Astley was beginning to
doubt, but still had hope of receiving the money some
day, when at last he is favoured with a most cunning
letter from the prisoner Palmer. That letter was dated
7, Harford-street, Mayfair, 16th August. It stated, that
he (Palmer) had got one of Mr. Astley's bills for 5001. in
the way of his business; he bad been offered another of the
like amount, but first he wished to know whether theywere
perfectly r. gular, as from the known respectability of Mr.
Astley, he was very much inclined to discount the other that
had been offered to him. Now, though that was every deep
laid scheme it did not succeed. The intention was to get
Mr. Astley to write a letter, stating that the bills were
given by him in a regular manner. Had he done so, had
he fallen into the snare, it would have rendered him liable
for the whole of the bills, for then it would have been
proved against him that he hail induced a person to dis-
count the bills upon the faith of his word as to
the regularity of the transaction. Mr. Astley,
however, had, at last, had his eyes a little
opened—be bad disclosed the facts of the case to his
friend., and steps were already being taken to recover the
hills ; therefore that scheme failed. The prisoner, fancy-
ing that Mr. Astley was anxious to keep his friends
from knowing of the trnnsaction, and thinking he could
make nothing out of him, wrote a letter to Sir D. Astley,
and one to Sir Thomas Lethbridge, stating that it had
come to his knowledge that Mr. Astley had been en.
gaged in such a transaction as had actually taken place,
.and that he lad never got a penny for them, and never
would ; that the writer was of opinion that be could
get them all hack for a sum of money; so that
a saying pf motley might be made through his means, as
p
well as the expense that must otherwise take lace. That
la tier he would Inoet distincq prove to have been written
by the prisoner, If the parties wished to answer that letter,
they were requested to do so by an advertisement, addressed
aci 0 P.Q. in the Morning Chronicle. Au answer was in-
aertael, and that led to an interview between the solicitor
for Mr. Astley and the prisoner and his solicitor. He
pelted at that time for 20s. in the pound, which was in-
etently refused, Another interview took place, when
Palmer said he would yet the bills up upon payment of
10. i. in the pound, but Mr.Sandiland then said they would
neither give that nor a farthing. They were
determined to recover them by legal means. Those
irttere, and the prisoner's conduct at the in-
terviews showed the kind of knowledge which he
had of the whole transaction. Parc of the bill+ had got
into the hands of a person who had been a wine merchant,
but who was now a b inkrupt, of course the assignees
Fergsed to part with them till they saw what they could
make of them for the estate.
Mr. Ar.t.ny interrupted the Learned
opening,
He
thought that be had taken too wide a field fur his
it would have been more in taste
example set by the Solicitor-General at the trial of Fursey;
the trial was for felony, and the prisoner's Counsel had no
opportunity of replying.
The CHAIRMAN had watched the opening very nar-
rowly, and he did not think Mr. Adolphus had yet ex-
ceeded the bounds of moderation.
Mr. Sergeant ANDREWS said, it was a case that ne-
cessarily required that all the facts should be laid before
the Jury in detail.
Mr. AnoapHUs resumer!. Ile would prove the last
letter he had spoken of to be written by Palmer, in whose
possession was fuwptise draft of it ; and he would call
before the Juri.:epeseffftin, who bad been obtained to
draw and fill up order to make them bear a
regular appearance, by' ctiiP 'directions of the prisoner.
Some points of law iitigtit arise, but, surely, his
teamed Friend eiantd isot say that there was no
felony because Mr. Miley"' bad given she bills, he would

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LONDON,
TUESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 15, 1833.

The Paris Papers of Sunday, which arrived
this morning, contain no information of interest
relative to Spain. The Gazette de France.
however, mentions a report, that BOURMONT
had landed in Catalonia, and that that province
had risen, and proclaimed Don CARLOS King,
There are also many other rumours in the Paris
Papers, but none of them appear to us to de-
serve the least attention. The Journal
des Debats contains the manifesto of the
QUEEN REGENT, which we were enabled
to publish yesterday. One passage of this ma-
nifesto, which is otherwise of the common-place
description of Court documents, is important.
The QUEEN says, I shall religiously maintain
in full force the fundamental laws of the Mo-
narchy, without admitting dangerous innova-
tions, however reputable in principle," and then,
as if to show that she considers all innovations
to be dangerous, she adds, " The best form of
Government for a country is that to which it is
accustomed." Whether this maxim, which would
have come with equal grace from the Dey of AL-
GIERS, before the French destroyed his best form
of Government, and which must be particularly
welcome to the Emperor of RUSSIA and all
despotic Sovereigns, be intended merely for the
purpose of deceiving the clergy, who are strong
partisans of that best government under which
they have fattened, or be the real opinion of the
QUEEN REGENT, we must regard it in an un-
favourable light, for it is either weak or trea-
cherous, and is therefore contemptible or despi-
cable.

It is not probable that the partisans of Don
CARLOS, who look upon him as the only true
representative of the principles which constitute
the admirable system of government to which
the people of Spain have been accustomed, will
be thrown off their guard by this degrading
concession of the QUEEN REGENT ; whilst,
on the other hand, the Liberals, without
whose assistance, the QUEEN REGENT
cannot hope to maintain herself against the
Carlists, will know what course to take
wish a Sovereign who so unblushingly avows
her distaste for every species of political im-
provement. It is to be hoped that good will
arise out of this spontaneous display of Abso-
lutism,and
turn
ot that the Spanish Liberals may be
able to
Don CARLOS and
account the difficulties which
the course of their st,
tr‘luegQglue2EaEl
alternately
rRn
aEt
eG REGENT NeTnenoluayn,teirn.
For our part, as we do not partake of the enthu-
siastic admiration professed by the QUEEN RE- 1

GENT for the existing system of government in
Spain, we shall be almost pleased at any tem-
porary success which the Carlists may obtain,
convinced, as we are, that it must have the effect
of compelling her to seek support from a patty
whose members have none of the QUEEN'S
horror of innovations, " however reputable in

principle."
Neither in the Paris papers, nor from any
other source, have we any further account of
the movements of Don CARLOS. The despatches
from Lisbon to our Government and the Por-
tuguese Embassy would lead us to believe that
he quitted Santarem ou the 4th inst. for Spain ;
but the French Charge d'Affaires in Lisbon had,
on the 6th inst., received an account of his being
at Thomar on the evening of the sth, and this,
we think, will be found to have been the case.

German Papers state, as an on dit, that
CHARLES the Tenth has taken a journey to
Gratz, in order to avoid the congratulations of
the Legitimatist pilgrims on the majority of
young Dieu donne. They contain also, in an
article headed the Prussian frontiers, some
ominous hints respecting the future intentions
of the continental despots, as respects the in-
terests of Europe. "We are not acquainted,"
says the article in question—which by the bye has a
sort of semi-official air about it—" We are not
acquainted with the intentions of the Sovereigns,
but no blame can attach to them, if, amid the
elements of destruction by which society is
threatened, it should be found necessary to
abandon a system which aimed at maintaining
tranquillity by pacific means, and to proceed
instead to extreme measures. The approaching
conferences of the German Courts will most
probably prove that the time is come when they
intend to act, and no longer to be the sport of
contingencies."

VIENNA, OCT. 4.—Five per Cent. 93 7-16; Four per
Cent. 83 15 32; Bank Shares I,l97l.—Allgemeine
Zeitung, Oct. 9.

Some Parliamentary documents have lately
been printed which throw a light, which was
before wanting, upon a subject of considerable
importance to all interested in the coasting trade
of the North of Ireland—a subject, said, indeed,
by Mr. O'CONNELL and others, to involve a
great extension of the internal commerce of the
whole of Ireland. Our readers will perhaps
recollect that towards the close of last Session
Mr. O'CONNELL made great exertions to get
passed through Parliament a Bill for making a
ship canal from the port of Kingstown to Dub-
lin, which said canal was to be assisted by public
money. We thought we perceived a disposition
at the time to take something from the general
income of the state, but the loss of the Bill
threw the subject over for consideration till next
Session. One of the grounds of opposition to
the plan was, that a Company had undertaken
to form a railway from Kingstown to Dublin
without the assistance of public money, and to
unload vessels at Kingstown, and transfer their
cargoes to Westland Row, to the westward of
the canal docks, in two hours. We perceive,
from the documents now published, that the
Railroad Company is likewise charged with a
wish to get some of the public money, and that
the fund which it looks to is that of the Corpo-
ration of Dublin. As the subject will again he
brought forward, it seems worth while to look
at the state the question is now in.
The first document in the returns last made,
at the instance of Mr.O'CoNNELL, is a memo-
rial of Mr. BOURNE'S) a principal proprietor
of a number of steam-vessels plying between
London and Dublin. In this memorial we
find a summary of the arguments in favour of
the ship canal. Correctly to judge of most of
them, requires a greater knowledge of the loca-
lities mentioned than we pretend to have ; hut
some particulars are stated which must be con-
sidered by all uninterested persons as serious
objections to the canal being made either at the
Ipublic expense, or that of the Corporation.
Mr. BOURNE states the estimate for the canal
to be 500,0001. Knowing what we do of esti-
mates, it would not be unfair greatly to augment
this sum ; but supposing the expense not to
exceed this sum, the projector can find no
other certain source from which to pay the inte-
rest, than the funds of the ballast Corporation,
to be made available by the cessation of all
outlay on the navigation of the Liffey. Indeed, it
seems to be admitted on all hands that the canal
and the river could not exist together, both to
be in a navigable condition. The Corporation
wishes the improvement of the river to be con-
tinued instead of diverting its funds to the con-
struction of a canal. Mr. BOURNE and, we
believe, Mr. O'CONNELL, contend that the river
is unimproveable, and refer to several accidents
which have happened in it. Mr. BOURNE'S
memorial having been referred to Mr. Inspec-
tor HALPIN, that gentleman enters into a
statement of the former bad condition of Dublin
harbour, and of the steps taken by the Corpora-
tion to improve it. As the question of the
canal mainly turns upon the efficacy of these
last, we will state them in Mr. HALPIN'S own
words:—

" To facilitate the transactions of commerce, and im-
prove the city, the old quays were taken down and the
present built ; to those who have seen the former it is un-
necessary to state how great was this improvement.
" The corporation for improving the port, after col-
lecting all the necessary information, and obtaining the
advice of the most eminent scientific and practival men of
that day, determined on the erection of the great north
wall ; this work was commenced in 1820; it has a S.S.E.
direction from the Clontarf shore towards the Poolbeg
lighthouse, forming a pier of better than a mile and a half
in length. By this it was proposed to confine the tide of
ebb and direct it on the bar. As its primary effect, an
increasing depth over the bar was found to take place in
the line of the present channel, and where, when the wall
was commenced, there was a depth of only from five to
seven feet, it subsequently increased to seven and ni▪
ne
feet. There was also a diminution of the breadth of the
bar; this progressive deepening has continued up to the
present day, insomuch that there is now a channel across
the site of the liar, which in its shoalest part has from 11 to
12 feet depth at the low water of spring tides, and an average
depth of 14 feet throughout its length, having directness,
depth, and breadth, which were all wanting in the former
southern channel. An inspection of the charts made at
the periods alluded to will more fully show this important
change.
" This course of improvement was not in the meantime
confined to the bar; the depth has been considerably i▪
n-
creased throughout the whole river channel from Poolbeg

to the city quays. In Poolbeg anchorage, which is now
much better sheltered by the raising and proper backing
of the lighthouse wall and construction of the great north
wall, there is an average depth of 14 feet at the low water
of spring tides, the Fordbank has been dredged away, the
channel deepsned and straightened up to the Pigeon House,
and thence to the Greenpatch bank, which has nearly
been cut through by one dredging machine and the lighters
now working on it. The additional steam dredge which
has been built, and will shortly be ready, will expedite this
I improvement. By excavating with these dredges there
will be a passage through the whole leneth of the Patch-
hank this goring, and a channel made from the Pigeon
House to the north wall, having seven feet at its least
depth at the low water of spring tides, and 150 feet at its
width. Even now the greater portion of the vessels trading
to Dublin can at high water of the poorest neap tides pass
up the river, the improved state of which is evinced by the
larger class of vessels which enter it, by the infrequency o'
accidents, and the discontinuance of the use of merchant
lighters, which were formerly indispensable. With th.
present machinery a channel of eight feet deep at the low
water of spring tides would he carried up to Carlisle
Bridge in a few years ; the steam packets are, however.
at present in some measure waterborne at their berths near
the quays at low water. Of the little injury sustained if.
this way the public have had a strong instance in the
London steam trader, lately coppered on th,
Ballast-office graving slip the keel bottom and old coppei
of which were unbroken, in good preservation for th,
time they had been used, and had received no injury iron
a six years' trade between this port and London that would
not have been incurred in a deep water harbour.
" Along the quays the banks have been greatly lowered
and levelled, and all stones and inequalities removed.
" The graving slip was finished last year ; it is capable
of taking up steam vessels of the larg.-st class which cannot
be repaired elsewhere in Dublin ; since its completion it
has generally been occupied by vessels of from 300 to 500
tons burden, and is likely to prove most useful to the port.
Mr. BOURNE, with other directors of the
Dublin and London Steam Company, in a me-
morial addressed to the Lords of the Treasury
on the 28th May, of this year, state, in answer
to this, the cases of several vessels which
have been injured by grounding on an uneven
bottom at low water, and add—
" Your memorialists beg leave to instance the case ► f
the Killarney steamer, which grounded near the Green
patch, on the sth of last April, and again on the 13th in.
stant, and was obliged, on both occasions, to discharge a
portion of her cargo into lighters, in order to get up to
the qu rya. In the month of September, 1832, the Mar.
yaret, 272 tons, M'Munn master, having a fair wind with
a spring-tide, was obliged to discharge in the I.ke manner,
at an expense to the owners of upwards of 761. The
steam vessels belonging to your memorialists have fre-
quently been obliged to lighten, by means of barges, to
enable them to pass up to the qua) ; and when outward
bound, to put into lighters a pottion of their cargoes,
which they would take on board after they had passed
the shoal water. The assertion that the depth of watei
in the river is so much improved that the generality of
vessels trading to the port can reach it at high-water ot
the poorest neap-tides, is not perhaps sustained by the
fact, that it often happens that there is not 10 feet water
at the quay ; and that on the 15th of April the Sarah, of
Whitehaven, drawing 12 feet, had been three days nraped
in the centre of the channel, abreast of the King's Bond-
yard ; and that the barque Lotus, of and bound to St.
Andrew's, was, from the same cause, detained three days
opposite Mr. Wilson's stores. The instances of the
insufficiency of water in the Liffey, for the purposes of
the ordinary coasting trade, would occupy more of your
Lordship's time than your memorialists would venture to
trespass on."

It will be observed that the greater portion o
this statement is exceedingly vague, and that the
particulars specified by no means invalidate the
correctness of Mr. HALPIN'S assertions. He
refers to the larger class of vessels which enter
the river, compared with former times, as a
proof of its improved state, and states that where
there was formerly a bar with five or six feet
water, there is now, at ebb tide, from 11 to
12 feet. Mr. BOURNE'S story of the Sarah,
of Whitehaven, drawing 12 feet water, having
been three days neaped abreast of the King's
Bond-yard, would be answered by Mr. HAL-
PIN saying that such a vessel could never have
got up there in former times.
We must confess that, upon the whole, we
think the river Liffey in a course of gradual
improvement, which it would be a pity to dis-
turb by diverting the funds to the formation of
a ship canal, which we should fear would ulti-
mately be thrown upon the public. It is, per-
haps, but right to confess that before we had
got through two pages of Mr. BOURNE'S Me-
morial, a bias was raised in our minds against
his plans, by the following very absurd observa-
tions on the proposed railroad. He sass—
'• The original object of this railroad was confined to
the conveyance of pass-ngers, which at present travel by
jaunting care and carriages of various descriptions, and
fom such intercourse an interest of 12i per cent. was
anticipated on the capital embarked in the speculation.
Tue new Company now propose to themselves further and
more important services, and the Government is solicited
to become contributory thereto, by a large advance of
put.lic money in furtherance of their plans. The obs.-r-
-vations which your memorialist takes the liberty to sug-
gest, do not proceed from a desire nn his part to depre-
ciate the value of the proposed railway; but he believes,
and is prepared to prove, that whatever• facilities it may
afford to the intercourse of prssengers, it is incompetent
to tender the necessrry and essential accommodation to
the trade and commerce of this city that is attainable by
a ship can •1. _ .

" That the proposed railroad is to commence at the in-
tended quay or wharf at Kingstown, and to terminate at
Westland.row, to the westward of the canal docks; and
the prospectus of the new Company promises extraordi-
nary facilities in the loading and unloading of vessels at
Kingstown, and in the transmission of their several car-
goes to and from Westland-row ;so great, indeed, that a
cargo of 200 or 300 tons is to be discbarged and conveyed
to town with n two hours. This rapidity of delivery,
which constitutes a primary recommendation of the pro-
posed establishment, would, under existing circumstances,
be destructive to a considerable portion of the trade of
Dublin ; for what is to become of the several cargoes
when thus hurried to Westland row ? From the want of
storage there, they must either lie on the highway, or,
should it be possible to procure means for their speedy
distribution (a question very problematical), a heavy ex-
pense, in addition to Is. per ton rail dues, would tie in-
curred in removing the goods to the warehouses at which
they are now transhipped at little expense or trouble.
" To the coal trade in particular, which unhappily
constitutes the chief traffic of the city, the consequence
of the proposed rapidity of delivery would be fatal to the
generality of those engaged in it, and injurious to the
public, but more especially to those of the lower classes
of the community. At present every collier is a ware-
house fir her coals, until they are sold and delivered;
but should 100 or 200 tons be poured into Westland-row
every hour, the market would be glutted, to the ruin of
the dealer; or if it was possible for bite to construct
depots for its depositure at the point in question, the
cporensternacttd.
extensivee agency in the trade would be greatly

It is new for us to be told that rapidity in the
delivery of goods is an evil. That rapidity of
delivery will injure the business of those who
want to continue slowness of delivery is easily
imagined ; but how it can injure the public,
and ‘, more especially the lower clisses of the
community," remains for Mr. BOURNE tO ex-
plain. The Railroad Company is a private one.
Let it have no public money without the public
getting some equivalent advantage which the
competition of individuals would not have given
it. The railroad being made by the unassisted
funds of the company, Mr. BOURNE may
depend upon it that the public will take care of
itself, and receive no damage from a glut of coals,
or anything else.

SOUTHWARK SESSIONS.-(THIS DAY.)

Mary Shields, a girl of the town, was indicted for
stealing eleven shillings from the person of an old man
named Michael Currin.

It appeared, from the evidence of the prosecutor and a
policeman, that the former had been out tippling during
the whole of the night of Saturday, the 22d Sept., and
that between six and seven o'clock on the Sunday morn.
ing he tumbled into the Grapes public-house in the Bo-
rough, where he met with the prisoner. She asked him
for something to drink, and taking her into the parlour he
ordered some liquor. In a few minutes be felt her hands
'bout his trousers, and directly afterwards she ran out of the
house. Suspecting she had robbed him, he put his hind
to his pocket, which he found turned inside out, and his
money gone. He ran out and gave information of the
robbery to a policeman, who in a few minutes apprehended
tier with the money in her possession.
Verdict—Guilty. Judgment deferred.
The RECORDER said he should not allow the prosecutor
his expenses for being drunk in a public-house so early
as six o'clock nn a Sunday morning.
Cornelius White, a young man, who appeared to have
seen better day., was indicted for stealing a set of bed
furniture, the property of Robert Tritton Reaks.
It appeared that the bed furniture had been hung out
to dry on the evening of the 28th of August, and on the
'ollowing morning it was gone. The prisoner had been
in the habit of visiting the prosecutor, and was conse
quently well acquainted with the premises. A dog was
kept in the yard, but as it made no noise, the robbery
must have been effected by some one to whom the dog
was known. The same night the prisoner carried the bed
urniture to his own lodgings, saying he bad got it from
rims sister, and he should have the bedstead itself the next
night. The following morning the prisoner got a man
named Davis to pawn it for him, and Davis was taken
i ito custody, and was in prison a week on a charge of
sealing the property. However, time prisoner was at
I.lngth taken, and he admitted the robbery, which he said
he had committed in order that he might be sent out of
the country. Verdiet—Gu lty. Judgment deferred.