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London, England, 1805-07-04 00:00:00

HOUSE OF Coxmaivs,

WEDNLSDAY, JUIN 3.
Mr. PALCaltri presented a Petition from the
14-allealQ.ni Gentlemen, and Freeholders, of the
County of Kent, 'on the 511 hi ea: of the Tenth Re-
port.—Ordered to lie on the Table.,
• The Privilege Bill; the Dublin Paving Bill, the
Spanish Red Wine Duty Bill, the Pilchard }Tillery
Lounty Bill, the Townleian Colleetioli, the Straw
Plat and 1-I:its Duty Bill, the Camberwell Water
N'Crorks' Bill, the Irish Infirmary Bill, the Thames
',l'uitnel 13i11, and Judge Fox's Proceediags Bill, were
wveadly read a third time and passed. •
The Chelsea Bay 13111, the- Tilsit. Military Survey
Bill, the Trish' Loan Amendment Bill, the Sugar
Drawback Bill, the (4hiss Duty Bill, and the I
Duty Bill, passed each through a .Comrhittce ; to
lx re prirted to-morrow ; the Committee on the
Irish Revenue JurisdiOloa Bill was put off till to-
-111 rrow.
The MAI Paper Duty Bill, the Trish Fire Hearth
13111; the Irish Distillery Bill, and .the Quarantine
Tuderenity Bill, were read a second time ; to be com-
mitted toi.morrow.
Mt. lilA:vPruoaN brought up the Report of the
Bill; to be read a third time t -
..;,:.w ;brought up the Report of the Corn-
Irian of the Trust eel of the British
, • • ;.„, to n: Grant of Public Money for
3 buittictig to preserve the Townleiaa
I.Lmslr,s in presenting the Report,
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er~. ,
itg wntent4,. or lie'
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• ,I)atiou of it,..7-After a feW 'words
• , ' the Report- vaLi ordered
,to lie ori

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Wotiori of Admiral MAlu U.AM, he several
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!LAM, ST VINCENT",, APAIJNiSTRATION

THE NAVY

111,V, consequonce 4F tho
had taken plim
on Monk aidan Flew. Mwrnber (Mr: )
i 1•1 lendciicy of gie lylotion which it
karink. t-prwad twit SeAsiOil onl
he of,the Niwy, 'felt
: V.) ;Itcivo: Tvr 4 ;walker of Papers which

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in order to save the time of the Hotise, he sl,otilcl
omit entuneFating, leavinz tlic:n to be sever.2ll pat
froth the. Chair :

The fir--;tv.-as, that theca lai,a,hefore the House
'Copicsof all Direaionsr,issueto)y 4,14 e Admiralty to
the Navygoard, respeexlng the 116`pairs of Iris Ma-
jctaty's. Ships' from the Ist of oaober, 1801, to,
March, 1803; the second, Copies of all.Direetions
from the 4.lmiwity .to the Navy- -Boara, on the
sl3hjeCt of Working Shipwrigklti' from the Ist of
06tober, 1801, to'April, 1803 ; third, Copies of all
J)ire6tions Iron the Adminlw to the Navy Board,
on the subju.,:t t;f •Wo:king Siiipwrights'.froni 1783
to 1786: .

These ,Papers were ordered, and several others,
without any. comment. But on the question, that
there be laid before the House- an Account of the
Expellee of Building and Repairing of the Vesta,
Pallas, and Narcissus, built at Plymouth, &c.
Mr. 11/..1.1. DICKINSON rose, .not for the pur-
pose of objecting to the Motion, but to show to the
House .of Commons the difficulty.of procuring such
infbrmation as that called for by the, Motion of the
Hon. Admiral. '?nor this purpo3e he should* take the
liberty of reading an extra& from a Letter from the
Navy Board to the Secieutalry. of the ,Adroiraitt, on
the subj,4t of some decotint.i- on a former night
moved for' by the Hon. Admiral. The setter stated,
that everreifort had been made to comply with the
orders of the House ; and that some of the Ac-,
Counts were prepared; otherS would in a few days
4e ready ; but that a part of the 'Accounts could not
be made out in many months ; the several. Clerks
were employed in preparing them during extra hours.
These Accounts.were those moved for by the Hots.
Admiral, respeding the amount of the original
Contraas, and of the Annual Expence of Repairs
of certain cif His Majesty's Ships. He stated this,
not with a, view io put any impediment in the way
of the produtition of the Papers moved for, but to
prove to the House the difficulty of complying with
such Orders, and the expence that would accrue to
the Public.

ildnilrol ilirilliKlll,43l replied, that the Accounts
on .which the .1-toti. Gentleman had commented, re-
lated to the Original, price and the amount of Ex-
pence 'of Annual Repairs of Hi's Majesty's Ships,
which Accounts were already in .the Navy Office,
in 'a Beak Oiled the Doomsday Book. This Book
was now at the Naky- Office. When 4e was a
Member of the Board of Admiralty,. they had the
Book at that Board. : in this,Book Were entered the.
original Price, and the subsequent amount of. Re-
pairs of eadi Yesset if the Navy Board were so
lax in keeping their AeCounts, the were very re-
prehensible, and the more so, hecause , Quarterly
Accounts were transmitted froin each of the Dock-
yardS, rest eCting. the wholq expellee of Repairs, and
for timber therein. He stated what he knew to be
'the fact, and if the K.1V.7 Board, on receiving these
Quarterly Statements, neglected to carry. them on
to accounts they must have been very inattentive. to
their duty.'

Mr.. JEFFERY by no means objeCted to the pro-
duetion of this or any other Paper which the Hon;
Admiral might think pitper•to move for._ He should,
say, 'however, that of all the Papers which the Hon.
Admiral had yet moved for, only' two or three Were
relevant :tnthe Charg,'e, Which he meant to ',bring for-
ward. The Letter which ho. Hon. Friend bad just
read, was a proof to the House 'of the Mode and
manner in which the Hon. Admiral moved for Pa-
pers ; not; one Of tho Papers for which ho had.tnoved
himself was of such a nature as not to. be produced
in ten &v s. , As to the Papers that had been last
moved. for by the lion. Admiral, he could assure
the House, upon the fullest investigation, that it was
riipossible, from. the vast multiplicity of transaetiona
which they comprehended, . that. any Account could
be produced, in any reasonable; time, without mato-
rial inconVenience to the Public Service. He hoped
the Hon. Admiral wransi now move for all the Pa,
pers which might be necogsaiT to c%ise. As to
himself, he should not look upon binlicir as bOund
toconfine his Charges to the 1-Leads which he had
ready 'stated. They should extend to 4 far greater
length, and embiace the Whole conduCt of Lord St.
Vincent, during his. Administration of the .Admi-
ralty.r, and the system of terror which he 'continued
throughout •

Mr. SPEAKER here called the Hon. Gentleman
to order, as'ehtering into a disenssioo not immedl-
ately.arising.ont of the question before the House.
Mr. Jr.rrENY WiShea only to explain the extent
to.which his Motion might go, in cOmpliance with
what he underso:,od to be thoqlesire of the. Gentle-
-man opposite. Ile was anxious that it should not
be understood that his Motion \vas to he confined to
the Heads he had stated on a former day. •
Mr. 7:I73a,NEY- wai so well ay.'are of the ccnse-
UeltCe of putting any question tf:, tl a: Hon, Member,
that he was not :di,posed to trouble the Hotise any
more on that. heal He had found that questions
,would not lead to any dire(;t answer, though they
produced harsh language; on the mrt of the FlO4,
GetlikMall. The Lou. 3,\V”)11)..,r,n0 aquiji!;h6w_,
eyer undecided he may he at present, migh(during
the summer make up his runic as to the cOurSe he
should take, or regulate his future conduclat4Ording
• to the suggestions of ally person ,Alto might recoup,
mend to iiim aoysystem of harsh proceedings.—
Withollt apy offence to the llon..Gentle-
man (mr,•-jl,,,r,pkoi), he . thought. he could more
daftly rely 04 the authority of his Hon. Friend (Ad-
miral ?41.,.P. f.',llA At), !O the reieVatiCY of the rapers,
tor moved; ancl, therefore, 'should not
reply I the I lon. Geutleman's obsorvations on that
bead. ,116 tiot, ilowover, hut advert to the
insitinations thr::)v..n out by his jlon. l:rlerid- oppo-
site (Mr. DicKil,?soq, as tq the gill-talky of mak-
ing out the awounts; and be v.ppealed to the House,
whether; WheTl a grave ch4re;e was brought. against
Loid ST. VI;I.Cr.NT, such a consideration should de;
prive bin) of the benefit of Papers wkich he thought
essential to his rase ? He Nyaf; nOt sufficiently:vac-
quain with tkepa tore 4f the Papers no* moved lOt
p.jocip, but from all he had seen of those already
ordered, he`could'it6Sll, that Oyery.OLlC of them was
M:304 With thy. N otion proposed to by
brotight ftn-ward relative to f.;ord ST. 'VxtvcraT and
thiS; tict-withstauditg the confident apertion of the
Gentlemg.n opppeito, ".,w4414 Ope4r :when
tht que3tioo cpme, to discussed. If there.
'w'as''dittctifty. in preparing the tteconny, it 7.,vas 'not
char cable; Ifoth Tt.te .que4inri find
Dot Ueen bivught ig)rward and for himself,
,ed it, intrtelth

Lord ST.'l.7iNcrwr ? When he had asked the Hon.
'Wernher, yesteoay (and he did not know how far'
it
.would be 'oorreegn him to stat,i'the substance of
a private coroniunieation), whit proceeding he
meant to adopt, 'he Was told that did not distinelbt
know ; that he-'wished to make a 'statement on the
subject; and if it was only on the last day of the
Sessibn, that he would be satisfied. As to what the
Hon. Member had stated respecting the—Reign of
Terror, the House Wpuld judge' how far thpse
oigservations applied to Lord ST. VINCENT. The ob-
ject proposed in moving for the. Papers, was, to pros
the question, whether or not' Lord ST. VINCENT had
been guilty of neglect, in the Administration of the
Navy ?`

Mr. JEFFERY here called the Hon. Member to
order. He had himself been stopped when proceed-
ing to state the extent to which his Motion might
go, which he was'doing in compliance with the desire
of die Hon. Gentleman oppwite, as being out of
order, and he could not conceive it orderly for the
Right Hon. Gentleman to discuss the merits of the
case, as he appeared willing to do.—The Hop. Gen?
tleman here fell nto the same line of observation as,
before, when
. Mr. SnAitEa reminded the Hon. Member, that
by such observations he was not defending the order
of the proceedings.- The conversation was' irregular,
but it was the Hon. Member himself who had first
been disorderly. -
Mr:TIERNEY was only proceeding to state the
grounds upon which the Papers were moved for, as
he understoOd the dilliculty, of making out the ac-
counts to have been urged as a species of objeEtion
to the Motion. The view of his Hon. Friendi in
moving for them, was to show, by a comparative
statement,• whether or not Lord, ST. VINCENT was
guilty of any neglea whilst in Office.

The SECRETARY at WAR rose here to order. 'The
Papers were not refused, and he saw no use in the
Right Hon. Gentleman's proceeding with his obser-
vations, which must lead to discussion.

Mr. TIERNEY was happy that the Right Hon.
Gentleman was not disposed to resist the produetion
of the Papers with the weight of his great influence.
But though the Right Hon. Gentleman felt no ob-
je&ion, he should recolle& that another Gentleman
(Mr. DICKINSON) high in Office as himself, and
entitled to as much consideration, had stated the dif-
ficulty of preparing the accounts as an objeetion to
the produCtion.

Mr. JEFFERY, again to order, saw no necessity for
continuing the discussion, as no disposition was
sheWn to refuse the Papers moved for.
Mr. SPEAKER. What shall or shall not be ref Used,
will be. decided by the Vote of the House. .
Admiral MARKHAM hoped it would' not be disor-
derly in him to assure the House, that all the. Papers
he had moved for were necessary to the Motion. The
several Motions of the Hon. Admiral were then
successively agreed to.
A Message from the Lords informed the House,
that their Lordships tad atrreed to the St.. Panel-as
Poor Bill, and desired the House would communi-
cate to their Lordships the evidence ,on which they
had passed the Duke of Athol's' Annuity Bill.—On
the Motion. of Mr. DUNDAS, it was ordered that the
Answer of the House be sent .by Messengers of its
own. . .