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IAIPE1?.111L PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF PEERS.

TUESDAY, DEC. 21.

THE Committee of Privileges, which stood for
this day, was postponed.
The Marquis of SLIGO was sworn and took, his
scat.
The Order of the Day for the second reading
of the Godmanchester Inclosure, Bill being read,
Mr. BF.sT, who attended as Counsel for the
Petitioners against the Bill, was called to the Bar.
The Learned Counsel, it appeared from his state-
ment, was not as yet fully instruaed as to the
whole of the Petitioners' objeaions to the measure :
their principal objet in the present instance was to
induce the House to defer the consideration of the
Bill for some time, which, he observed, from the
nature of the case, could not defeat the objeas of
the Bill, as its operations could not commence for
a month or two, which was the interval the Peti.
tioners hoped their Lordships would consent to de-
fer it to.
Upon the Learned Counsel being asked by the
LORD CHANCELLOR, whether he was then pre-
pared to adduce any great and leading objeEtion
to the Bill, he stated, that one of the most
serious objeaions to it was, on account of the fre-
quent inundations which took place in that part of
the Country. The cattle were removed beyond
the reach of these, into parts which are to be
affeded by the measure in question, and where
they fed on the Balks; but should the Bill pass into
a Law, this opportunity would in a great degree
be lost. _ _

After some further observations had taken place
between the Learned Counsel and one or two of
their Lordships, it appeared the sense of the House,
that the further discussion of the measure be re-
served for the Committee, in which any well_
founded objeaion to its provisions may be regu.
larly discussed, and probably obviated.
The Bill was then read a second time, and or-
dered to be referred to a Committee to-morrow :
on wh►ich Stage leave was granted to the Peti-
tioners to be further heard by their Counsel.
The several Bills before the House were for-
warded in their respective stages :—Of these, the
Transport Mils Payment Bill, and one or two
others, went through a Committee of the whole
House, Lord,WALSINGHANI in the Chair, and were,
ordered to be reported to-morrow.

The Order of the Day for the second reading of
the Bill, " To appoint Commissioners to inquire
" and examine into the Frauds, Abuses and lire-
" gularities, which have been, or may be pradised
" by persons in the several Departments of the
" Navy ; and in the business of Prize Agents,
" and to report the same, together with such obser.
" vations as may occur to them, in order to pre-
" vent such Frauds, Abuses, and Irregularities in
" future ; for the better concluding and manage-
" ment of such Departments of the Navy, and the
" business of Navy Agents," &c. being read,

Lord PELHAM rose, and made a few general
observations with resped to the measure. He ex-
pressed his regret at the absence of the Noble Earl
at the Head of the Marine Department, to whose
province the Bill more peculiarly belonged, and
who of course was infinitely better able than himself
to enter into a satisfadory statement of the merits
of the Bill, and the necessity for those Legislative
provisions which it went to enad. He had to re-
gret the absence of the Noble Earl still more, as he
was free to confess, he entertained no small degree
of Constitutional Jealousy with respect to Bills of
the description of that before the House ; but did
no other consideration operate upon his mind, his
respect for the deliberations and proceedings of the
other House of Parliament, and his opinion of its
wisdom, would induce him to entertain the Bill. A t
the same time he fully agreed with what more than
once had fallen from his Noble and Learned Friend
upon the Woolsack, namely, that Bills of the im-
portance and nature of that now before their Lord-
ships, ought to be sent up to them at such periods"
of a Session as would allow full time for their ample
and deliberate consideration. In addition to his
respea, for the quarter from which the measure pro-
ceeded, there was another ground upon which he
thought he could conscientiously vote for the Bill,
namely, in consequence of the information afforded
by the Reports made on subjects connected with
that in question, to the House of Commons, and
which were then before their Lordships. Under
these considerations he would move " That the
Bill be now read a second time."

Lord Viscount NELSON rose to second the Mo.
tion, and observed, that the necessity for such a
measure as that before their Lordships, was uni-
versally admitted,' as it was known on all hands
that abuses to a considerable extent existed in se-
veral branches of the Naval Department of the
Country. The business of Prizes, he considered
as particularly calling for legislative regulations.
He had lumrd of some apparently strong objedions
which had been started against the measure, but
these by no means operated upon his mind, so as
to entertain an idea of its rejection. The powers
to be granted to the Commissioners under the Bill
were much canvassed, particularly with resped to
the examination of the books, &c. of Mercantile
Men : the consideration, he regard-a as a serious
one, but, upon inquiry, he understood that no ur-
gent objedions had been advanced by those who
.were to be affected by the provision. He had a
high opinion of the Commissioners ; as sensible and
liberal.minded men, he thought they would exec..
cise the powers entrusted .to them with all due de-
licacy and caution ; he had no serious apprehensions
on that score. In his views of the subjea, and as a
Sea Officer and a Nautical Man, he had opportuni-
ties of being versed in it. The Bill had his cordial
support : Indeed, he thought some strong regula-
[ions essentially necessary to correl abuses, which
were known by all, even the very boys in the street,
to exist. The Noble Viscount referred to some in-
stances with I:esped. to affairs of Prizes, which, par-
ticularly, he thought, called for decisive regula.
bons, and in which the difficulty of getting the
money, and a proper adjustment of accounts, were
inconceivable even to Officers of the highest rank,

aria wiiiich was naturally lacreasea with reset to
those in the lower ranks of the Navy. Upon-the
whole, notwithstanding what had been urged in ob-
jeCtion to the Bill, he was so firmly convinced of
the necessity of a Legislative Provision of the kind,
that, he repeated, it had his most cordial support.
The LORD CHANCELLOR quitted the Wool-
sack, and expressetl his sentiments of the Bill, and
chiefly with a reference to its principle. He stated
the precise nature of the question then before their
Lordships, and observed, that upon the whole, he
was content to entertain the Bill, at the same
time, he must say, that it was a measure which
deserved the most serious and deliberate atten-
tion of their Lordships. He fully agreed with
what had fallen, in that point of view, from
his Noble Friend, and, observed, that with a re-
ference to the dignity and security of their Lord-
ships' proceedings, it was fit they should secure an
opportunity for the full and deliberate discussion of
all important Bills. With respea to the subjeet
in question, the only regular and authentic ground
the House had as yet to go upon, was the informa-
tion contained in the Reports of the House of Com-
mons, which was then before their Lordships, and
which so far, he was of opinion, ought to be made
a ground for their proceeding. He was aware of
what had been advanced as to the necessity of the
measure, and agreed cordially in a part of what
had fallen from the Noble Viscount. It was an old
maxim, in the profession- to which he himself had
the honour to belong, and which he should take the
liberty to call his own trade, that those' who labour
should be secured with respeft to their earrings, and
more particularly did it apply to that meritorious class
of individuals who fought the battles of their Country
by sea, that they should be secured in the reward of
their valour. In considering some of the leading
provisions of the Bill before them, he expressed his
opinion, that it would have been better, were the
proposed Regulations with respeCt to the Frauds,
&c. kept distinet from the business of the Prize
Agents. He thought that part of the objet would
be more usefully attained, were they conduCted
by a separate Commission. To the principle of
the Bill, however, was the great weight of the
Noble and Learned Lord's observations direded—
it was one which merited the most anxious atten-
tion of that House. He had no objeetion to the
institution of the Inquiries, provided it was ren-
dered conformable to the great and leading prin.
ciples of the British Constitution ; they should
take care that they bound no man to accede to that
which even tended to criminate himself ; that great
maxim of English Jurisprudence should not he vio-
lated—great as may be the advantages likely to re-
sult from the passing of the Bill, the purchase of those
advantages would he too dear, if made by the sa-
crifice of the principles of the Constitution—to
this most important consideration, he thought it his
duty to call their Lordships' attention, and consi-
dering the Bill, with a reference to that great
principle, it was a question with him, whether
considerable additions to, or alterations in the
Bill were not necessary to be made ; but this
naturally would be matter for future discussion.—
The Noble and Learned Lord also seemed to
entertain doubts whether, always keeping the
principle of such a Bill in view, the objets of
the present Bill would be attained in the way most
useful to the Public, by its provisions ; this consi-
deration led him into a short view of , some of the
details of the Bill, and which, he thought, furnish-
ed matter and argument for close discussion. Whe-
ther the Bill could have his support to the extent of
the measure as it then stood, he could not say; but it
should be their endeavour to render it as useful as they
could, without a sacrifice of the principle to which he
alluded ; and notwithstanding what had been ad.
vanced on that head, his opinion was, that it would
be preferable, at least be was ready to sit down under
those abuses sooner than violate maxims on which
were founded nine-tenths of the Liberty of the
Country.
The Question was then put, and the Bill was
read a second time without farther observation, and
ordered to be referred to a Committee of the whole
House to-morrow. _ _

After some routine business was disposed of, an
Adjournment took place.

ROUSE OF COMMONS.

TUESDAY, DEC. 21.

ELECTION PETITIONS.

The ATTORNEY GENERAL presented a Pe.
tition from Messrs. Slack and Gibson, of Lincoln's
Inn, Agents of Mr. Williams, who had presented
a Petition, complaining of an undue Eta-lion for the
Borough of Tregony. The Petitioners stated, that
it was not till Saturday that they had received, by
the past, the names of two Gentlemen who were to
be the sureties in Mr. Williams's recognizance.—
That having afterwards to look for these Gentle.
men, it was not till Monday that they could pre-
sent them to the examiners of sureties, who refused
to examine them, as two clear days had not inter-
vened between the time of serving the notice and
their being presented. The Petitioners, on these
grounds, prayed that the time for entering into the
recognizance be enlarged.
The ATTORNEY CENERAL moved, that the time
be enlarged to Monday next.
Mr. .I?RAGGE stated, that the House had been
always particularly jealous of. enlarging the time
fixed by Aft of Parliament for entering into re-
cognizances for prosecuting Petitions, unless special
matter appeared on the face of the Petition requiring
the enlargement, to justify the House in the conces-
sion: The Petition now before the House had a just
ground for indulgence, so far as the agents were
concerned. They had used all due vigilance, as far
as the circumstances of their instrutlions would
admit, hut the Gentleman who employed them had
certainly been remiss or he should have procured
sureties either in the country or in town before
Saturday. He voted against the motion, which was
negatived without a dissenting voice.
The order, fixing a day for taking Mr. 'Wil-
liams's Petition into consideration, was of course
discharged.
Mr. ST. Jon presented a Petition of a similar
nature from Mr. CONCANNON, who had not entered
into a recognizance for prosecuting his Petition re-
speaing an undue eleaion for the Bo.toug.h of

lord, being ignorant of the pree:se tenor ana the
standing Orders of the Hckse on the subject, and
having been detained in France by contrary winds,
when on his way to Engind, to prosecute Iris
Petition.
GLENI?ERVIE• thought this Petition less
entitled to indulgence than the former. The 01111
cases within his recolleetion, in which the House
had thought proper to enlarge the time limited
law, were the case of Drogheda, where the Sitting
Member could not be found within the proper times
to serve the notice upon him, and the case of Admi-
ral MACBRIDE, who was detained at sea on zits
Majesty's service. The absence of the present
Petitioner was certainly not an unavoidable absence,
Mr. Sr. JOHN explained.
Mr. BRA GGE urged the impropriety of offer-
ing to the House, as a ground for the enlargement of
the time fixed by its Laws and its Standing Orders,
the ignorance of those Laws and those Standing;
Orders. When a Law was once passed, it was OP;
posed that every man was acquainted with it, and
though the Standing Orders of the House could not
be supposed to be so generally known, it was not
right that an-Order printed in 1789 should be un-
known to a person so much interested in knowing
it. ,This Motion was also negatived.

FINANCES OF IRELAND.
Mr. CORRY said, that having last Session had
die honour to move for some Accounts relative to
Ireland, with a View to bring the examination of
the Public Accounts of both Countries to the same
period, he moved now for the same accounts, being
the usual Accounts, No. I, pursuant to his notice.
It had been objeacd last Session, that there was
a large space in the Public Accounts of Ireland. un-
accounted for. This was, in fart, unavoidable.
The Public Accounts of Ireland were annually laid
before the Irish Parliament, up to the 25th of March
of the preceding year, and here they were made to
the sth January of the current year. Thus it hap-
pened, that, when the Union was concluded, there
was a year's Accounts due, and the vacuum, which
was thus constituted, had increased in consequence
of the variation of the period to which the Public
Offices in Ireland were accustomed to make up their
Accounts. To fill up this vacuum, he moved for
an account of the Ordinary Revenues, and extra-
ordidary resources of Ireland, with the expences
colleting the same, and the net produce from the
isth March 1799, to the 25th March 1800, ells°
tinguishing the years. Also, an account of the
same from the 25th March 1800, to the ast
January 180 t, the day of the commencement of di°.
Union ; and from the ist January 1801, to the sth
January 18oz, being the period to which the fir'
tish Accounts were made up.—Ordered.
Mr. CORRY then moved for an Account not be'
fore alluded to, in order to give the fullest informal
tion relative to the expenditure of the Public Monet
in. Ireland.—A list of the Officers whose Accounts
are audited by the Commissioners for auditing the
Public Accounts in Ireland ; also, a list of t"
persons accountable for imprest monies.--ordered.
Mr. CORRY said, he thought it necessary now to
renew a notice which he had given at the close 0'
the last Session.—He had then stated the proprietY
of rendering permanent those duties which formed tille
security of the Public Creditors of Ireland, whic
►
being voted annually in the Irish Parliament, wer„e°
in like manner, voted annually hemsince the Unit"'
Every person then in the House seemed to he
pressed with the propriety of putting the PuhLiii
Credit of both Countries, and the security on whie6
it was founded, on the same footing. He was sot
the sentiments of the House were the same rici'v;
He should therefore, soon after the recess, 01,i-e,
for leave to bring in a Bill to render permanent id
aforesaid duties ; and at the same time, he shclif
move fur leave to bring in a Bill, to render Pe'i
manent the Laws for the better colledion
those Duties, as, without a proper system of Pe.o
manent colleaion, the permanency of the Dnra
would he nugatory. A schedule of Duties had he'
prepared with a view to this objeft, but it had
kept back till a similar system of consolidation, :11
11
tended to take place in Great Britain, was acc°
plished. It was necessary that the denorninati°%s,
foreign goods, should be the same in both Countrt
1
The system was designed to extend to the ..glrisr`,
Merchant every advantage that the English Yie
chant enjoyed by Bonding, &c.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER s I's
he rose in consequence of what had been said by ter
Friend,Right Hon. to give notice, that soon 813101
the recess he should move for leave to bring in 'll ifs
for consolidating the Duties on the plan propose' a
1787, with this difference, that there was to becre
new Tariff, including certain articles that
omitted before. He also took the opportunit)3'ii
stating, that it was his intention to bring in acoe
to extend the system of Bonding ; and as,sto,
misconception had gone abroad relative to thelr'yive
tions of Government on this subjeel, he woulcl
a.b."
some explanation of what it was intended to _ere
He knew it was understood that Free Ports war,
to be established to a great extent. It was I°
tainly intended to extend the sytem of bond" Dos
some ports that did not enjoy it now ; but it foher
for the discretion of Parliament to 'fix the ntl j to
and names of those Ports, and it was intendeloW-
extend it to no port, but under the three fulloanding conditions. That they should give old
ample security for the duties. idly, That
nt•
should prove themselves provided with. full ac dje}'
modation of Warehouses ; and, 3,11 y,
should apphe a
ear to have traded fora considerablielotwei
back in the articles which they were to o 0,,a
to bond. The system altogether would nnt etendetl
to the establishment of free ports, it was 1",
merely to propose to Parliament to extend t";;t be
it
tern of Bonding to such Ports as, in its discre: to
should think fit. This Bill was not i
s
ntendeusiloolal
Dutie
proposed till the consolidation of the his tn.
have taken place. He also gave notice
tendon, (.)rin after the recess, to move for lea
bring in a Bill for the appoinment of Connl4Z Greatto examine into the Public Acounts betwe.
hrd
Britain and Ireland. d a tei
The Irish Sugar Bounty Bill was re
a
to
time and passed. be givr r
Mr. VANS ITTART moved, that leave
ot
ve to
to
bring in a Bill to eppcint Commissioners so
intend the collection of the Pension DY' ji
carry into effect the provisions of, the Aets of

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I)ec.. zr.

I'Vhitehall, Dec. 21.

appointing Commis!..ioners for the redemption (Idle
lian(l Tax.—Leave was given.--Adjourned_to Fri-
day.

From the LONDON GAZETTE, Dec. it, 1802.

THE. King has been pieasedto grant the Dignities
Of Baum and Viscount of the United Kingdom of
Britain and Ireland unto the Right Honour-
,Dundaz, and the Heirs Male of his
tiklyihivi-ri'n-i.'cY begotten, by the names, styles, and
tit as otil'zik,o of Dunira, in the County of Perth,
arieh,Vivcoltnt Melville, of Melville, in the County
of Edinburgh.

The King has been pleased to order a Conge
d'Elire to pass the Great 'Seal, empowering the
IDearland Chapter of the Cathedral Church of Here.
fort'. to elect a Bishop of that See, the same being
I'Pid by the Death of the Right• Reverend Father
God DoCtor John Butler, late Bishop thereof ;
-11(1 His Majesty has also been pleased, by his Royal
Sign Manual, to recommend to the said Dean and
Chapter. the Right Reverend Father in God Folliott
Hcrbert Walker, Lord Bishop of Bristol, to he by
them elected Bishop of the said See of Hereford.