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relative to the pickets, when he (Lord Lucan) jocosely
remarked on the "greyish white greatcoat " Colonel
Griffithi had on, which he had received from Constanti-
nople. Colonel Griffiths then made some remarks about
the permanent posifion of the canal), and no doubt he
(Lard 'Llican) replied, " Hove can I tell you what we are
about tQ do." Col. Griffiths continued in a tone of re-
proach. lie (Lord Liman) replied, and he believed Col.
GriffithS received iewith a sneer, and:Made some extrava-
gant suggia-tion on what was then uppermost in his ,mind,
and which he was discussing with the Commander-in•
Chief and the Quarterniaster-General of the Army. Col.
Griffiths then in an extraordinary manner•threw himself
back on his'horse and said, "You aite not speaking to
me likes gentleman, nor treating me as one gentleman
ought to treat another." • He then told him to be
quiet, or_ he would place him under arrest. Corona
Griffiths continued repeating that he was only ttalking
to him (Lord Lucan) as one gentleman bad a right to.
talk to another, on which ho (Lord Lncan) told-him to,
hold his tongue and join his picket. (Laughter.) His
lordsleip,tafter some other remarks, said :be would wil,
lingly leave his case in the hands of the Board ; but
there were seme remarkable points in the evidence that
had been submitted, both to the CommisSioneri and the
Board, to whiCh ho found himself bound to advert—
and first with reference to the percentage of deaths of
the horses. He maintained that his statements on ;a
former oceasion,in connection with the deaths were cor-
rect, and' that every figure in the Commissionere' repeat .
was incorrect. He had shown that the heavy cavalry
had nut 1,055 horses nu the Ist October, as had bean
stated; because at that time there was not a single man
of the•beavy brigade in the Crimea, and it was only aker
the arrival cf the Eeeiskillen and the Ruyal Dragoons
on the sth or 6th of the month that- the heavy cavalry.
'became-complete. His lordship then proceeded to ana-
lyse the figures in the Commilsioners reports, relative to
the returns of. the horses and deaths, whichrhe charac-
terWeel as "striff„" -"rubbish;" and " unintelligible,"
;and m, peaafaeofe•keasserladethatatita-numbre. s,f . horses
landed in Bulgaria was 2,450, out of which 422 died
there, and 276 on the passage to the Crimea, making
a total loss, up to that time, of leaving 1,752 horses
alive. Out of tais number 847 horses died in the Crimea
up to the 16th of January, or 48 per cent. His lordship
next referred to a paragraph in the report relative to the
hutting, which accused him of disiegeniousness and com-
plained that a great deal of obloquy had been cast upon
him in consequence of the displacement of a marginal
note, ae alleged by the printer, which the Commissioners
might at any time have put right, but they had declined
doing so until two or three days after the commence-
•rnent of this inquiry. In this as in every . other
part of the report the Commissioners state-
ments were inconsistent and at variance -with the
facts. He then again came to the question of censure,
and'here he contended that if there was one part more
than another that contained animadversion on his con-
duct it was in the Commissioners' remarks in connection
with the hutting, and notwithstanding what Col. Tulloch
had said to the contrary, it was evident that the Com-
missioners had animadverted on hiin without mentioning
his name, hoping thereby to evade the respon,ibility
they would otherwise have incurred by stating his name.
In passing to what he _considered the most important
part of the report, charging him with want of prompti-
tude and ingenuity in devising shelter for the cavalry, he
remarked, in rather strong terms amounting almost to
animadversion—on Col. Griffiths' sheltering, which he
said comprised only a six inch drain, quite inadequate
for what it was intended, and which that officer
was unable to make without relying on assistance
from others. The charge of want of promptitude
and ingenuity resolved itself into two questions, a can-
vas question, and a drainage canvas. With regard to
the former, he called the attention of Sir R. ,Airey to the
use of canvas for shelter as early as October. There '
was no want of promptitude or ingenuity here, bat did
Col. Tullech show sufficient sagacity when he was di-
rected by the Minister of War to make the necessary
arrangements for butting tl-n men ?
Col. Tulloch said he was not invested with that re-
sponsibility by the Minister for War, and begged the
protection of the Court.
The Judge- Advocate-General said there was no evi-
dence of that kind before the Court, and Lord Lucan
had better confine his remarks to what had been stated
in evidence. •
Lord Lucan continued—He said that whatever might
have been stated about the use of canvas, no person of
experience, and especially those who had been in the
Crimea, would say that it could have been. used with
safety to the -horses on the plateau in the month of
Noelmber. He agreed that if nothing else could have
been obtained canvas to a certain extent might
have been of advantage especially in roofing, but there
never was a sufficient quantity of scantling with which
to form frame work for canvas roofing. and if Mr
Rawlinson had stated that it would have 'been safe to
have used the same scantling for canvas as for timber,
the' deficiency of scantling was a difficulty which any
amount of canvas could not have remedied, but admit-
ting canvas-wotdd- have been useful was it toe be got?
Admiral Sir E. Lyons had stated that canvas could not
have been hard from the fleet, and every word that had
fallen from the gallant admiral would have been con-
firmed by Admiral Dundas if he bad been allowed to use
his written replies to the queries lie (Lord Lucan) had
forwarded to him, so that they had evidence of the two
admirals of the station on that point.
The Jii dge-Ad veeate-General— I think not LOrd Lucan.
The replies of Sir D. Duralas had not been received in
evidence.
Lord Lucan said he would fall back on the evidence
of Sir E. Lyons, which was quite sufficient for his im-
pose. It had been proved that if there had been a suffi-
cient supply of canvas there was a deficiency of car-
penters. The authorities at home were not well ac-
quainted with the supply of carpenters at Constantinople;
and, as an instance, he bad only to refer to what occur-
red at Scutari. Some works requiring construction
there the War-office sent out a clerk of the works at
5001. per annum, to look after it, and the Ordnance, not
knowing w.hat the War-office had done, sent out ano-
ther clerk of the works et 5001. per annum—(laughter)
—and the consequence was that there were two clerks
of works, at 1,0001. a year salary. When they got to
Scutari they found they had only 16 men to look alter—
(laughter)—that being all the men they could get..
He would next refer to the trenching, &c., for shel-
ter, and that brought him to the evidence of Mr. Raw-
linson, who, in addition .to his being a civil en-
gineer was also an eminent genealogist—(laughter)— he
meant geologist, had stated that pits could have been
constructed in certain places, but that was impossible,.
because the cavalry had orders to keep in a certain place,
and he had further given a statement of how much
ground a soldier could excavate, based on what a navvy
was capable of doing, -an assumption which every one
who knew the habits, &c., of the two classes of men
knew to be absurd. His lordship then pointed oat in.
detail how wrong it would have been to have dug such
pits for the use of the horses, and the danger liteely to
result from them. The Russians never placed their
horses behind trenches, for the great object in warfare
was to change their ground as often as possible. Lord
Lucan then referred to a report he had furnished to
him on the 16th December, of the available men in the
cavalry not being satisfied with the progress they were
making in sheltering the horses, and he found that on
that day the available men of the Royal Dragoons num-
bered 10, the 4th Dragoons none, the sth Dragoons 16,
the Scots Greys 5, the 4th Light Dragoons 6, the Bth
Hussars none, the 11th Hussars 1, the 13th Light Dra
goons 1, and the 17th Lancers from 30 to 40 men, not
including regimental duties. His lordship next read a
detailed statement of the duties of an "idle dragoon" in
the field, consisting of his cleaning his own horse and
accoutrements, as well as those belonging to . men who
were sick' or engaged as butchers, &c., attend to stable
duties and other matters, which allowed him only three
hours idle time in a short December day. Great stress
had been laid by the Commissioners on the fact that of
the horses sent to Balaklava for stores; one-half only
carried loads, the other half being ridden by the 'men ;
but that was not a matter for which he (Lord Lucan)
was responsible. His orders were to send to Balaklava
a certain number of horses, and if the Commissariat
only loaded half of them he was not to blame for
it. The commissioners were wrong in stating that the
stores were but one mile from the camp, When they were
two miles distant. He again reiterated that he had not
the assistance of an engineer officer to assist him in con-
structing shelter, and that the small number of tools he
had were of the worst description possible, and perfectly

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He said that he believed he had not been assiste(tl by
engineer officer in providingl sAh
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though they were unable to carry out their intentions
but-he did blame him for not carrying his inquiry fur-
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If the cavalry had bad no other duties to
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horses, an, was _to the delay in the subsequent
arrival of material, the
transport duty the cavalry had to
perform, and the want of proper scantling
that the delay was to be attributed. He was quite cer-
tain that by the Mb of Feb. every horse that sur•
vived was under cover. This, too, was in
the middle of winter when the ground was covered with
snow,. and when it would have been most improper to
require the men to expose themselves. more than was
necessary to the severity of the weather. He next
said that the blunders in the report were so great
that it was difficult to account for them.
The noble lord complained of the manner in wi i';.h
the Commissioners had selected their witnesses, and con-
fined their inquiries to certain officers, and asked why
they had not examined Lord Raglan and his staff, and
also himself (Lord Lucan) ? The army suffered greatly
from "scurvy," of which they had reason to complain,
but the general officers in the Crimea had more to com-
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plain of the ".scurvy " treatment they bad received
from the Commissioners. He next condemned the inter-
' I ference of the War Minister in reference to the drawing
I tip of the report, and charg"ed the cormakieienerN
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witlrhaving sent slips of the
War-office as they were produced for co,

allowing of the "Ittest improvements" bei
into it ; and the last was said to
,haye '
the 21Ith January. it would appear to
doubt this report, and "sacrilege " to I
but the inquiry on which the report wL
not been•elnducted as it ought to have been, and the .1
report itself had been so manufactured that it could not
be urged that it was entitled to such reverence an
respect as a report of this nature should be or.
titles: to. next adverted to Colonel Tulloch
not being an officer qualified to conduct such an inquiry,
and said that this report should have been drawn up •
without any communication with the Minister of War,
and completed without his interference—only handed to
him alter it had received the signature of the Commis-
sioners ; but this was a joint production of the Minister
for War and the Commissioner.

Col. Tulloch dissented from this inference being drawn
from his evidence.
Lord Lucan said he called that a joint predneticiii
wheie a third' party interfered.
Tulloch—Tlrere was no interference by the Minis'.
ter of War. _ _

Lord Lucan—But Col. Tulloch's evidence states that
a third person did interfere with the drawing 'up the
reporb.
The Judge-Advocate-General--You are not justified
is making*that-staternent by the evidence.
Lord Lucan—That's a matter of opinion.
Col. Tulloch—Lord Panmure made no alteration fn
the report, and he (Col. Tulloch) made none, at the re •
quest of Lord Paumure.
Lord Luau then read that portion of Col. Tulloch'a
evidence which he said warranted him in drawing the
inference he had relative to this being a manufactured
-report, and said he still was of opinion it was a joint
production ; and, after what had been revealed, that it
was not worth the paper on which it was written. (hisses
and laughter.) He said this report had been drawn up
.to secure the temporary ease of the Government, and to
lull the just indignatiou of the people, and to excuse
'the Government for sacrificing the finest army that ever
left Engla.,,d: Want of promptitude and ingenuity was
to be attributable to the authorities at home .in not pro-
viding proper supplies. to the army, and had the horses
been supplied with a sufficiency of food they would
not have suffered as they had done. The qua-
tion was, who killed the horses I No doubt if -
any one was, to blame it was the Minister for
War and the .S6cretary to the Treasury, who had the
'control of the Commissat De.partment. The noble

lord, after -stating that ho was at all times accessible
ii ofCets, and that he did everythint he mild far the '1"
comfort of the cavalry, concluded his address.
Tne Court then adjourned. . .•
The Earl of Cardigan's case will be entered on to.
morrow morning at the assembling of the Court.

MR. WHITESIDE'S MOTION.

MEETING OF LIBERALS.

At one o'clock yesterday 204 members of
Parliament assembled at Lord Palmerston's resi.
dente, in. Piccadilly, by invitation. The only ques-
tion brought before the meeting was the course
to be adopted in reference to the impending motion of
which lgr,' Whiteside had given notice for that
evening. After. some discussion, it was deoided
that it should be met by a direct negative, anti
that the amendment of Mr. Phillimore 'should not
be proceeded with. The members in attendance, with
few exceptions, agreed to support the Government, and
there seemed a general impression that the motion would
bs rejected by a considerable majority.