The Sun.
London, England, 1851-11-08 00:00:00

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ead then if deev du not, when masters of ' ' :V t',
their fate, ao what is bast for the happiness of a nation
then I say that such a nation does not deserve to be;
happy.—(hoar.) Therefore, I mix not with the in-
ternal affairs of Italy. We have a common aim and
a common anaany, sad we must work in brotherhood
to throw off the enemy of our Mutual independence,
and to dispose each of our home affairs in an inde-
pendent position. Acting on that basis, I declare that
I will do everything possible to accomplish such
unity in action with the Italian nation, and I believe,
that in saying so, I am speaking the sentiments of my
whole nation. For the res 7, I believe that Italy will
feel the duty of not hurting the sovereign right of
Hungary to dispose of itself; and I, on my part, give
the assurance that I .v. ill have nothing to do with the
interest or home questions of the Italians. This much
I say for the harmony of the two nations, that it is a
happy circumstance that there is in neither country
any party for "certain particular doctrines, :which are
considered by many as inconsistent with the security
of property. We have nothing to do with these doc-
trines, because they are not necessary for us. Take
Hungary, which is chiefly an agricultural country.
A large portion of the people of Hungary have already,
by the past struggle, acquired property in the soil.
These have acquired property, but of course no wish
but to:get freedom for their labour, development for
their resources, and cheap government, security
for person and property, and political freedom to en-
able them to work out their own welfare.—(Hear.)
Another portion of the Hungarian people have not
yet acquired landed property, but the state itself has
an immense extent of public lands, which will give
also a basis for financial operations, with of course
more security for any loans, should Hungary need
them, than the:prospects of the house of Hapsburg—
(Laughter.) In a word, we have
public lands to a very
large extent, and my belief is that they should be dis-
tributed among the people, becase Governments all
over the world make the worst agriculturists, manu-
facturers, or traders.—(Hear, hear.) Therefore, I
think that the best plan is, when a Government has a
large quantity of land, to divide it in small portions,
and give it to the people. The very taxes which
these people, industrious and prosperous, will pay into
the treasury will produce much more than the profits
of the lands if held by the Government. —(fieart;nhgeaarry.),
I, who was First Lord of the Treasury in H
speak from experience, and had not war come on, I
would have distributed the lands to the people, and I
am convinced that the public revenue would have
been raised to a higher amount than had they re-
mained in our hands, because governments have
always been bad traders.—(Hear.) Now by these
conditions, which could be united with financial opera-
tions, giving
thirty or forty acres to each man, united
with suchabanking system as would enable him to pay
off the price of his land in thirty or forty years in
small sums, there would &so be a large basis for finan-
cial operations, not to keep up large armies, but to
build railways and open up free communications
throughout the realm. There is a small portion of
Hungary in which the'people are more manufactur-
ing than agricultural. We have not any great facto-
ries, but rather a small system of private industries.
Something like the way in which, as I am informed,
Birmingham differs from Manchester. In the latter
there are great factories, employing each their thou-
sands of men, while in Birmingham all are small
masters. Now, such men want no theorists or theo-
ries about the distribution of labour and capital.
They work each in an independent position, and only
want political freedom to enable them to go on. Such
being the state of Hungary, the larger portion of the
people being proprietors of the soil—it being a conse-
quence of the past revolution that the whole agricul-
tural classes have become free proprietors of the soil
—and there being large state lands which, united
with a good banking system, by which payment
would be facilitated, I would have distributed among
the people ; and manufacturing industry not being
found in large factories where the question
of the relations of labours and capital have to be
discussed, but being on a small scale, carried
on by private parties, there is no occasion for those
new doctrines which are termed, Socialism and Com-
munism, neither of which, I confess, do I very a ell
understand.—(Cheers and laughter.) I have read
the works, and I have consulted the professors, and
from no two can I get a similar definition • and,
therefore, I do not understand the words.—(Cheers.)
There is none of that clearness about these doctrines
that there is about the doctrine of political freedom.—
(Loud cheers.) That is the doctrine which gives to
every man the faculty of doing what is right for
himself, without any arbitrary power to hurt his
neighbour, which is not freedom.—(Hear, hear.)
• But whatever distinctions there may be in these So-
cialist doctrines, there is no occasion for thew in
Hungary ; and, as lam informed, the same is the
case in Italy ; and therefore there is full scope for
that harmony in design and aim which I consider to
be very beneficial for both countries. Now, to
end my long confidential and familiar remarks—for
I was not prepared to make a speech—l will allude
to what you suggest as the best means
of carrying out our common aim, whether we should
have two associations working in parallel lines,
one fur Hungary and one for Italy, or that
both should melt into one. Seeing that your sen-
timents and mine are identical, you will excuse me if
I make one remark. It is this—Feeling myself to re..
present the true interests of Hungary, and that Maz-
zini represents the sentiments and views of Italy, I
think I had better consult him about this question
of fusion of the two sections, and after that consulta-
tion I will fairly state my wishes and my hopes. ,For
that purpose, I beg you to give me leave to send a
written answer to your address, in which written
answer I will be so bold as frankly to state what I
wish and what I hope, whether your society should
take up the name of the friends of Hungary end of
Italy, or merge into the general name of the friends
of freedom all over the continent ; or whether, on the
other hand, retaining your present constitution, I
should ask you to give a brother's hand to a new as-
sociation which may yet be founded.—(Hear, hear.)
And now let me, out of the very heart of my heart,
thank you for your kind attention, and it is a happy
moment of my life to see so many generous men
holding sentiments which I cannot but feel must be
beneficial to the oppressed nations which look up to
England as to a happy elder brother who is not only
happy himself, but happy in his resolution to give a
helping hand to his brethren who are oppressed.—
(Cheers.)—The deputation took their leave.

COURT CIRCULAR.
WL/CDSOR, Nov. 7.
The Queen walked in the Home Park and the
Slopes this morning.
The Prince of Wales, the Princess Royal, and
younger members: of the Royal Family, took their
accustomed pony and walking exercise.
His Royal Highness Prince Albert went out shoot-
ing this morning, attended by Colonel Hon. Charles
Grey, Colonel F. H.
.Seymour, and Mr. Ormsby
Gore.
The Dowager Lady Lyttelton, and the Hon. Caro-
line Lyttelton, and the Right Ilan. Sir Charles Wood
are expected at the Castle today, on a visit to her
Majesty.
There was no addition to the Royal dinner party
last evening.

The Finance Committee of the Royal Commission
for the Exhibition of the Works of Industry of all
Nations in 1851, had a meeting yesterday at the
Board of Trade. There were present Earl Gran•
yille (Chairman), Sir William Cubitt, Mr. Baring,
M.P., Mr. T. F. Gibson, and Mr. Bowring (Secre-
tary). Mr. Cole, Mr. Mike, and Mr. Carpenter at-
tended.

A deputation, consisting of Mr. Leslie, Chairman
of the London Coa,chmakers' Committee, Messrs.
Booker, Thrupp, Peters,
Robson Rowley, Turner,
and S hillibeer, had an interview with the Chancellor
In Dow/a p gExchequer
str e e t .
yesterday,at his official residence
of the
Sir William Colebrooke had an interview with Earl
Grey yesterday at the Colonial office.
Mr. John Wood, Chairman of the Board of In-
land Revenue, had an interview with the Chancellor
of the Exchequer yesterday.
Dispatches were received yesterday at the Colonial-
office from the Governor of Malta.
Dispatches were sent off from the Colonial-office,
yesterday, to the Governor of Canada, and the Go-
vernors of the other North American Provinces.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer left town yester•
day evening for Windsor Castle.

WARNING TO EMIGRANTS PROPOSING TO EMBARK.
nlO3l LivERPOOL.—We find the following in the Stamford
Mercury, and recommend it to the consideration, not only of
all persons intending to emigrate from Liverpool, but also of
the authorities of that town, whose duty it is to adopt
energetic measures to put down the nefarious practices of the
man-catchers" :—" The following letter from an emigrant
was brought to our correspondent by a female relative of the
writer she walked nine miles for that purpose, being
strongly advised to do so by clergymen and persons of in-
fluence in her neighbourhood, considering its publication
would be for the public good :--` My dear Friend,—l now
write to you according to promise, and I will state to you
the real truth how the poor emigrants are victimised at Li-
verpool. When I arrived at that port I expected a friend to
meet me in the station-yard, but he was not allowed admit-
tance, and some of the omnibus men took me to Galton-
street, to a " man-catcher's" house, who pretended he was
agent for Byrne's. I found he was nothing of the kind, but
belonged to ithe class of wretches called " man-catchers."
These fellows are said to give ss. to the omnibus men for
te
rvaepup victimea he take.
5 s mt
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besides double for their board and lodging. To avoid all this
parti parties
you must go to a house which is not a " man-catcher's." The
omnibus man will not take you at first, but will want to
take you to those houses where they get ss; but do not
be persuaded any way, but see that they take you to the
right place.— Jolts DECEI late of Ilaceby, 14acelgoilittre."