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had given him, and which his courage not only &se
but would defend.
Mr. CHARLES VILLIERS wished to know, if titer%
a member of the Stuart family now living, and if thes,,
Member for Greenwich were to take his part against ;
reigning family, whether the law officers of the Crown
or would not thinit him, after the oath he had now
at Of
st`;y
amenable to an indictment for perjury ? Th
whole question, and he wished to have an answet44
from the Learned Attorney or Solicitor-General. He test
that a mistake as to the decision which the Right flon.o°.,
tleman (the Speaker) had given. The Speaker had nol'l
terpreted the law. He merely stated to the Houses:
was his duty, the resolution adopted in Baron Rothsas
case last session by the House. That resolutioa
(Mr. Villiers), however, contended left the and
tn.
cided. It as notsatisfactory in its results, and it se.,
to him that w
they mightsatisfact rescind it. The oath of abjua
in all its essentials, he contended bad been taken by tee
Member for Greenwich, and that having
they had no right to persevere further in endeavour!
keep Mr. Alderman Salomons, because of his Jewish )o'4.
sion, out of the House If they persisted in continueid
bition of hate and hostility to those whom theY had
cuted, they would have cast upon them all the scorn 313
tempt they deserved.—(Cheers.) hie
been doe
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Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, he did not think
Friend the Member for Wolverhampton had atteliqeeeZ,
question before the House. The Honourable :51,11,4
Greenwich having appeared at the table. and ae
much of the oath of abjuration as bad been takeilii
Rothschild, the question was asked him (Lord Jo„.iirai4;
whether it would be right to prosecute Eder the tbe °Act
Member for the penalties he had incurred under t ;
Parliament. His reply was, that he thought nor°ds te
was abut to move a resolution in the same w
which had been adopted in the case of Barton irie bee
in order that the whole question woufd
rceeeerotb,
the House, and that they might either confirm eir
„t'reete
decision of last ear;y but before be could move tr (1,0
thus the Hon. Baronet the Member for Maryleboornee toe
that the Hon. Member for Greenwich should ca ,egieei„
House, take his seat, and vote. The Right linnexus hied,
it I', ne,
the Speaker, as he had done last year, and as
to do, asked the Hon. Member to withdra%ushseie
Member did not comply, and he (Lord Jolitiet'., Right 11,::
teen cempelled to ask the House to support t',',."-t he silo:,
Gentleman, by agreeing to the resolution tna,imp), it;
withdraw. The question before the House
ther or not the House, having adopted a re:la: et ei°n-cIAP
that Baron Rothschild should withdraw, bectilawu;the
tr
taking the oath of abjuration according te°,, taee
Member for Greenwich should come there ant Lase in Ile
and vote. Considering the decision of the ads on If
Rothschild's case, ar.d looking at asetogiiroiton mroOrvw
he was ordered to withdraw, it did seem teurnsJ
thing. while thst resolution'remained on the taboo befoi
Heuee that the Hon. Member for Greenwich.e,et teose4,
mitted to retain his seat. It did eeall appear cootreeo,
maintained that that decision was errooeoanaraenseciouutrisltaefrtoS
law, might say "let respect be shown to
House." He thought that there was no other memeeol,
House now to take than to decide that tbe toy. Opt
Greenwich should withdraw. (Hear.) Wlsoesttet fte
proceed to do atter that decision was another
lion. Member had placed himself in a different Pout, talsisges
that taken by Baron Rothschild, in consequencebat
seat and voting. It was a grave question netoa
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they should make between his case and thst o of
child.—(Hear.) Those who were for the ad% tthe
into Parliament were not bound to du s nub
o eTwitil,.°) He
some declaratory Act for the purpose.—(Klel/..(flesteloo
that the state of the law was most defective.
eords -
found that, in the case of the Quaker, toed seeeta.stl4
true faith of a Christian" were omitted, sou Of
to make his " affirma ion ;" but in the case ,estaeceL
oath was required to be taken more in 5,1 u Teo
form, and as the oath now stood, should the the ° '
IS
would subject him to pains and enalties tc%efe
sion of perjury.—(Hear.) It wasp said that„tiogeio es
ceptions to the administration of the law, teat
from the general rule, and it was urge".4.'tess lease
should merely be administered in form, as l'oests
of law. He must say that nothing could be „00?° $
tent in the proceedings of the House than teratloa";sese,
books a law, such as that now undcr cons reee'ce s°:ees,'
which called on the Jew to violate his thatconsc'ls"
the true faith of a Christian ;" but until ejo
uIJ
tered, he believed that the House of Csota°l°tee lent",
ready to set an example of obedience t° .olete e` elf
that no consideration would induce them to vi,ich tb
up against it.--( Hear, and cheers, amidst If" .
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Lord resumed. his seat.)vases aite t
Mr. BETHELL could not give a silent • pc -
ject. He was very sorry that he could not eeeittleees
Noble Lord in all that he had expressed, and Vat• it
could induce the Noble Lord to agree Withers)
dissent from the opinions given by SeV, t
bf
Learned Members on this question, and inn," tee op ess"
oath of abjuration had beeti well and lega"Y“,es s°:sefer
lion. Member for Greenwich, and that be4:;jee te"„
tially the Member for that borough, and en`o""easbetds'aet:
hat House.—(Hear, and cheers.) The Hon' 7t-Akeri't r
sented himself at the table of the House, An' " (1-101;it:;
in the manner most binding on his conscience"; etieto,
—and that was the true sense in which the 5
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administered to him.—(Hear, hear.) Thel,esh
.
a form of law contradictory to the spirit w"1001 001
binding on the conscience of the person t° 44 'ooase.i*
dered an oath. - (Hear.) lie could show the iltern
oath of abjuration had been from time to "ealls-ege
tute, according to the circumstences which itee thhesr4,
alteration. The 10th of George 1., which recteet
George 1., cap. 4, bad the es press provisioa, „et bele",
any member of the Jewish religion should Pre:ealcl'd
take the said oath of abjuration, the eatl),Pess' clo'is°
nistered to him in the form most binding 'ae,sees
and in the manner in which he was sw°; ofpyrli
law.—(Hear, hear.) Now that was the 10tret
and the preamble of that Act laid down, itite-s
would be ready to come to the aid of the ',l' tee '4,- er,
tens routing to their right of citizenship, all,",eee
unfairly down that no course should beit'l r,), or
y against the Jews as citizens.--lei'lte'irlti
George the Third did not make a new oeth, ow°o4 jr
that the oath of abjuration should be taltell„i'lleieek,
manner most binding on the conscience of of e,";esele'
tided an indemnity to secure to him the rigiTteistweti4,
It appeared to him that several Acts vide' - A 6"
ft
for the Jew, and that being the statepro t,""preees.ttileoe
impress upon the House that they could nc'l
"on the true faith of a Christian" on the ""ee •08 ,/
inconsistency; and that, should they rseTer • lel'a
Pe, he vi°,„stise
the Jew so to take the oath, they would see of
science, and acting in opposition to the spirit 'he 07?
There were many instances of alterations in tee 04i
law; and, in point of fact, there was not therseeft,
any court of law, or part of the kiugelorot diet
it liberty to administer the oath to the Jevirolie;
nor in which he desired to take it, as most meet Ltd
conscience, handing to him the Old T,eatmam.-
to swear. And here, in the House of (0 hied
tiered to him the Old Testament, as inti',"„e hi",est°s;
conscience, and as the form which they Iv's— t-Dit
eaoie • g tit
by, and yet it was proposed to him at the eaetifl
an oath which he could not take without vi'" it re"tesis
science. If the House would be consistent' it
"Pop
Miner the oath to the Jew presenting bin
otos e
in the manner and form in which it was infruhlen eiesteeitei
in courts of law, and under the sanction of t'"eteree, rid
judges; and in that spirit he considered theY ifee;teb:e
'
should be bound by refence, in relation to rese er;
tecedents; and with reference to any foil:a:: ti°,,ta,,ltil;
theirs in relation to any other party, there "*-5
sidered, anything to band them with respect t,°o tsb ettl,
who had that evening presented himself at tt' ostiscioed
House to take the oaths most binding on b'3o
Mean ) He would no longer trespass on Orr,
to say that he believed the Hon. Member (3.,`
g boo
to be as much a Member of the House, by lavirr4ii did'
who at that moment sat within its walls.- (ne ej
Sir F. THESIGER—The Hon. and Leattiese,st'„
seemed to have laid down the principle, that "„et J,"
not agree with him in his view of the law were:,;
informed either in the common or sta ute 101700 ey
much as he did not agree with the Hon. and ',tee 1$'10:'
ber, he fell within that description. (Hear
He agreed that the House had brou
inconaistency, by allowing two out o'L etitiaeT
taken by the Honourable Gentleman, lie 4„4"-td
isg
ght itself in l'oetboe.
sett
to resist that, feeling that the course wastinl 'l3afse
to qualify a man to be a Member of the ti-`4;--tsee
of
take a thecb
Christian."--(Hear,
tr
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.oaths,( ll einacrl,udhi.e,igr.t)hatii`isiiPVo3-oborte-at
thatLearnedess
ratioth Friend had
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jew,nwlinetiiegtisbleatluergedhlayd itself shown that '7- the yak
bs
to thetak
a Ch •
ristian " urging the et
eteimt.i_ssi(on of the words " 011 the je
alloweden
that in courts of law hog , s,i
Heartak, hear.at
report on which his Honourable and Learnstwo oese
wag not in itself quite satisfactory, and OA t
Learned Friend must have known that the, c,
report referred was but a " temporary" Ac'elersth's(:,
said that the Jew might take the oath of atieo ed
ting the words " on the true faith of a Clain,- ee'rsl.sev'i
Thesiger) must say that his Honourable soles c°osi
appeared to him not to have read the g-euseoe
(Hear, hear.) The question before the [-mei
Mr. Alderman Salomons sh nld withdraw re inPfeeri::.
He thought the Noble Lord could not adoVeeeseetheos":
than he had done. On Friday last the nAtiee
with had been ordered to withdraw, ea-se/ell-0 t'e
presence now within their walls conta°lo sob i;
hear.) It was open to mt,ve that he be4,tar
tody of the Sergeant-at-Arms, but a rilii,e'ae
followed towards him. He had intimateu,-
move the seat vacant, and to move for vie"
consideration he had made up his mind to $
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Ar,ion of teh6n,eci
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Mr. BETHELL explained. AisObef, t. 138 c
said he would never -- evi
of the Speaker, but in voting for the rnotereeei:
ber fi r Green ids should not withdraw, Pe iloos"es P`
*pact to the Speaker. He would ask thee It W-es $1;
this could be considered a judicial decisioo 0. fs
thing. He thought the Member nor GreellWleaci,?;ol/1
a Member as any other man in that House'd cow
support him in the mealy and straightforwer •
taken. of t
Sir R. INGLIS rose to support the auth°t,ioo ,beet
in a course which had been adopted last aei- Otis
case, in no way different from this, escePAere'
of the inaividual. The Speaker had dei tbsi Ar 4';
Honourable Member should withdraw, ave,-est
be enforced by the Sergeant-at-Arms. ",,e4,
Rothschild took an oath, but not the oat's,
he would put it to the common sence of viSfl 'l)oVti,
could be considered a taking of the oath. l'aci the tos'
imponentis was the thing to be considered! Ise II
to be taken in the plain and grammatical P.- Der
6°:
of the oath. ee is for 40‘.
Mr. BRI UT said the Noble Lord sre,',," he'mer,e'
no question before the House, but that the """illan s4"ice "tors
wich should withdraw, whereas there *v2°,oolllB- 4: es'
which was tantamount to a repeal of ,tie ice fri el
year, and thereby brought the entire quest' .6011 soree
tive form befoie the House. The Solicitord refochis,
have acted with more consistency, if liee,,,•bh3 5°:,13) if deii
same course in this case as he had taken "'tot* i'+'htle A" nth
to himself last yeer. There e ere two points -was
this question might be regarded. The °:?..:cleAt. 104'etr
of law, and the other the question of Pre the nt 0,„1 f
contradictory views taken of the case 'se ale e
Wullict appear they were in the dark. He .re gee.; e'en
thing upon that point. With regard to4,‘;etyes", the's'
cedent, it was said that the resolution oi o°`
desl
a precedent for the present occasion. suifr Age tiv`
one a few years further back, which wasai"iallY„et ,f
case of Mr. Pease, when the oath was Males, of leti 413`,,q
the words omitted upon the authorite shop
alone; and if they did that in 1832, will bead f')(8
have power to do as much now?- (geai'este,
referred to the declaration which he 'At vs„ ts,' I
of the sect to which he belonged t°,-ti sfs,"
showed that it was the same as that whAceeabikes
Mr. Pease before the law was altered to 4. the 'oses
member of the Society of Friends, to takeet. ter It.: tbejt
House on taking his seat as the ISleraTetseee",. ASA'
He would ask what was the difference smajoeso,l4'olo
of Baron de Rothschild and Alderman OW
01 blr. Pease. He confessed they Were