The Sun.
London, England, 1856-01-23 00:00:00

CAPE OF GOOD HOPE.

We have received files of papers from the Cape
of Good Hope to the Ist of Nov. inclusive.
The Friend of the Free State publishes the fol-
lowing report of a conference between the Presi-
dent, J. N. Boshoff, Esq., and the Basuta Chief,
Moshesh, his Excellency Sir George Grey being
present. It took place ou the sth of Oct. last :
" The President.—l am very glad to see Moshesh here
in the presence of his Excellency Sir G. Grey, on the first
official opportunity we have had of meeting in the Free
State. I think it well that we should often meet, as
personal visits are always much more satisfactory
than correspondence by letter. As we meet now per-
sonally we had better speak of business. I have often
heard that Moshesh is a man of peace and is desirous
of holding peace with the whites. lam also a man of
peace, and now in the preience of his chief men I wish
to show him on what terms we may make peace and
friendship continue. As the beet mode to do so my
view, is that, as I am chosen on one side and Moshesh
on the other, to see that peace is not interrupted, we
should, in case any disturbances occur, let each other
know our minds freely. I shall therefore tell him at
once that I have, on my arrival, been very sorry to hear
of many thefts having been committed within our boun-
dary by wicked people from the other side. I would be
glad to convince him that such things must be put a
stop to, or the consequences will be that they will put
the country in a blaze, and do great harm to all. These
are all the complaints I know of as yet. Mr, Ford has
already represented the case to him, and he has promised
to punish the thieves, and put a stop to the stealing. I
have no doubt that he will prove himself a man of his
word, and make his chiefs help him to carry out his pro•
miles.

" Moshesh—Peace is the mother of all. I admire
what your Honour has mentioned. I would be glad to
hear any remarks of Mr. Ford's in confirmation.
" President—We will await your answer.
"Moshesh—lf no one else speaks it may appear as if
these were the words of only two people.
" President—l am the representative of all my people,
and my word is theirs also. I wish to hear the mind of
Moshesh's people through him as their chief.
" Moshesh—May the things we speak of ascend to
heaven ? My mind looks on the two personages present
as the first fruits of a new year. I do not mind faults
being mentioned, but I understood this to be a meeting
of friendship. I met Mr. Ford about tho faults now
brought forward. Ido not deny that some of the things
have gone in our direction. I do not know the best
means of stopping these things. What has the Governor
th
come for ? Bas lie been sent by his master?
I
not a word of advice and wisdom ?
land
you have not seen him, you may have
_te.on.ere
prints o
weight of all. You come from the ofandbear the
cannot
Cha ka. If
f
him. He was ruined by his relations. Yytt have wig.
dons to build beautiful houses of clay. NVe got all we
have from the whites ; can we not make some plan by
which we can enjoy what we have and keep peace? Dr.
Philip wrote to the English Government when we were
use the
cause
bee ufi
in trouble, and itats;bislitsehdeuds..
ITf liyeouconcaipnlasihnotsw
b ae not
al.liY es
sfaction let me. know. There I end.
o ff
President—I will take him up at the last word. The
cause lie must know, but the way is this—his people
come in and steal. The missionaries have been long
enough in the country for them to know that stealing is
wrong. I believe that Moshesh has enough good men
among his people to help him to put down the wicked men
who steal. I ant glad to hear that he wishes to get ad-
v,ce. 1 want it aiso. If we can both get advice, I for
my part am ready to take it, and be guided by it. If he
is willing to take advice from his Excellency, I am also.
I will state the cause of complaint, asd if he has any I
hope that he will state any ho may have, and then, if
I can, I will remove it. I will tell him clearly, in
as few words as possible, what it is we complain of.
The thefts committed in Mr. Ford's district within two
years, as carefully collected by him from the field-cor-
nets, amount to 297 head of breeding cattle.
" Moshesh—l have already agreed with Mr. Ford that
I was convinced that some cattle had been stolen, and I
have made him promises. Can you not give rue some
advice ?

"President—lf Moshesh will listen I will just tell him
the numbers. _ _

" Moshesh—lt is just what I wanted.
"President—Oxen and breeding cattle together, 363;
horses, 294; sheep, 112. I was not sativtied with the sim-
ple returns of the field-cornets, and have instructed Mr.
Ford to get statements on oath from the owners of
tolen cattle. This is not yet completed, but is considerable.
Sinco the numbers in the statement of the field cornets

hove_ ieen, ascertained many moreolkitieft
st-olen. When the full amceint is ascertained
Aleslieshlnpw. Ido not. *nut .to do abithirig
will examine the list mysdf, and fi'od atit-tliee for
which Moshesh is answerable, wheri this 'humber
has been ascertained I will tell -Moshesh. - j hive now
ordered the Landdrosts to. send in monthly returns o
stolen cattle, with all the particulars of the theft, in-
stead of allowing the list to accumulate .forAvvo years.
-I will' tell him also that it is -rot only froth Mr.
Ford's district that ',complaints are inade.:' I have
received reports also from Mr. .Orpen that thefts of
horses are committed' on the Winhurg. border. Some
of the horses have been found Mblitsani, and
some have been given .up • *there he refuses4ci-* return,
unless the owners:come to !fetch them. Thigi;i33 t not
be. My people cannot be put t: suchexpenses. He
ought to have sent the stolen horses and thieves to. Win-
burg, where they would have been punished by sm. Steal-
ing will never cease Olen tiaieves are punished. Re-
taking stolen cattle from the thief is no. phnishment.
He ought also to be fined, or. receive corporal: punish.
ment. If the chief refuses" to give the thief-he makes
harbotirs
himself responsihle. put thieveiirin , prison, and
Meilitsani
punish them when convicted. If be disl-iseoee would
not have any more stealing. ..;,11see
wnie)eocl,
there.
they, -ano,Carotwirioeol44ltiri,sehfotrhthaietf
gardens
occupies
ttihji:teleiaehhfasni
alaenlnnscioo:. n cower
dolitttitoisee r
eftoaphraruimenpveil
t!t
Tail
et.
they can r !take the. stolen' cattle.
at
rs aml
These are the very people whom Mashed) premised Hoff.
man to remove last .January. Molapa's PeoOle have
also encroached, and Molapa, though he hail promised
to remove them, has not done so. I mention these
things to show that they gave. fse, oitarrels.
My people will not submit to it any . Aonger.
Now, as 1 e naked :my advice, I ask that if his
people will not obey' him he must uSake them. He
must take his people against them. -Those' things that
they shout 1 net wish us to do, he must' y do. He
would not be satisfied if I said I could 'not help such
things, if c immitted by .my people. I knowy7that .tbsy
can do it, because sometimes for months ,foriglne thefts
were oesmaitted ; so; if - they could' stop tlepithloolog
(-nee, they could do so again, and the ;ss ohiefe
who- never steal. I cell el u d
who will exercise their yowers,i' stop eti.er,
" M.• sha-h —Carr the nitileSihf ihase.chtek:.l-be,given ?
"President—Moroko, Jan Bloeru, LePiiii Adam Kok,'
and- Waterbot r.
" Moshesh—You mention those things, his Excel-
lency being present. We must remember that we are
on a friendly visit. Your honour: must remember that
yeti have been only a short time in the country..: The
Landdrost and I, who.have long lived here; knots, better.
The sword of the 'mouth is.grievOus. 'We had better
not speak so, but separate in peaca, as we have met in
peac-.
" President—l think the best way to secure peace is
that friends meet and speak their minds.- I have stated
all I have to say, and I want Moshesh to state any
grievances he has to speak about.
" Mosbesh—Not to-day.
" President—Very good ; I shall always be happy to
hear from him about anything that is done wrong by
my people, as war would only break 'us all down'; but if
thereis any other thing, as his Excellency is present, of
which he feels aggrieved, I should be glad, to, beer it.
" Moshesh—Not to-day. Let U 3 go home. We can
correspond by letter.
" President—Would he like his Excellency to give us
some advice.

Moshesh —lt is not theproper day. His Excellency is
not hPre to hear difficulties. We can correspond by letter.
" President—l thought Mosbesh would wish it.
" Alostiesh—Ad vice to a chief might be given in pri-
vate, and not in public.

" President—When occasion is urgent we seize the
first opportunity of meeting, and; if M )shesh plstpones
the conference on these urgent matters, some accident
may occur, for which we may be sorry before we meet
again. It may be long before we ca❑ meet again ; it
may not be easy for us to do so. We can write, but we
may not understand each other so well bY conversing.
I have therefore spoken to him in his Excellency's pre-
sence, in order that he might give us some advice, and
that we might profit by it ; and-it would be a satisfac-
tion to go home with the mutual conviction of having
coins to an understanding to correct what has been
wroncr.

" Moshesh—l did not exTect that the maters already
settled wi'.h Mr. Ford, and to whom I Lave already
given an awwer, would be touched upon ; and I have
also given a paper to Mr. Venter, that people suffering
from thefts should be sent to me. lam ready to hear
advice.

" President—l know nothing of Mr. Venter's arrange-
ment. Re had no right to make one. I was then in
the country. Such a proposal as yours, that we should
go into your country and search for our property, could
never be entertains]. Mr. Venter was appointed with
three others. The directions given by all to Mr. Ford
were good, and ought not to have been broken by one.
If I was to send my people in that way into your
country, it would only make disputes, and break our
friendships.
" Moshesh—l did not come to speak of business.
"There seemed to be some misinterpretation of the
Chief's meaning. in this last sentence, which had been
interpreted in English by Nehemiah, Moshesh's son.
" His Excellency Sir Geo. Grey then asked the Rev.
Mr. Arbousset, who was acting as interpreter, whether
he thought Moshesh would like to hear what be thought
he ought to do.
" Mr. Arbousset replying in the affirmative, his Ex-
cellency addressed Moshesh as follows :—You say that
we are wise people in being able to build beautiful houses
of clay ; a man who does that is respected by others,
but a man who raises barbarians in the scale of civilisa-
tion is admired by ages. You are now the builder. You
have collected some barbarians and made a kind of na-
tion. The question now is whether you are to succeed or
fail. Not only is South Africa looking on, but many
other parts of the world too. Every good man is will-
ing to assist ;no more so than the President. I have
had an opportunity of hearing his views, and I ant
sure be is anxious to help Moshesh to succeed. It is
impossible that a civilised nation can allow a nation of
thieves to remain on their boundary. The President and
I are ready to put them down. I would be glad to
see you more cordial to accept the President's offers
than you have seemed to be ; and, as lam now going
away for a considerable time, I should be glad to be
certain that you would devise some plan for the future.
In such a plan I will assist as far as the Cape colonial
boundary is concerned. It must be greatly owing to
your energy that you have raised yourself to the posi-
tion you now hold, and I would advise you to trust to
that energy in future, and not to bad advisers. I trust
that before I leave you you will give some proofs th;:t
you will put down stealing, and allow your tribe to
prosper. I am sure the President's remarks will be appre-
ciated ; I have been particularly struck with their just-
nesP. I hope before I leave that you will promise to put an
end to such practices as those that hive been carried on.

" Mosheih—We ought to praise his Excellency for his
words, though we were not aware, when called to visit,
that such things would have been brought forward.
" President —lf he is not prepared to speak on bud;
nese, will he appoint another meeting, or will he go hom e
and consider, and acquaint me with the result, and in
the meantime try with his chiefs to put a stop to steal-
ing? or otherwise consequences may ensue that we may
deplore
" Moshesh—When I met Mr. Ford at Sefali's I made
an agreement with him that he should make a list of
stolen cattle, with the particulars of theft, in order that
1 could call on the guilty chiefs, and show them the
accusations against them.

" Mr. Fora explained that the list was in the course
of formation.

" Moshesh expressed himself satisfied, and said that
the measures adopted to settle the thefts on the list
would go towards stopping any future thefts.
" President—Will the chief give me some promise
that he and hie chiefs will endeavour to put a stop to
any future thieving, or else the lists will only continue
to increase?

they
wsz
ntellrkeeneirna
remain
report will be no more stealing ; thieves do not tell me when
" Moehesh—l cannot bind myself to say that there
they come in or ge out. Did I not at the meeting with
Ford, at Sefali's, tell my people they must not even steal
othrteosnamtheesmituaastsioonons. as possible.
a goat ? You must give me time. I have eaten the
Governor's meat, and it will be easy for me to vomit it
up,
very glad, with him, to remove all difficulties,
sb.--,I feel as you do. I came to
wh'i‘cbhPurbteesiti
iesnntilsowielalsynotwo g
met Mr.
Ford.
Moshesh for the manner in
makeothievesaay
satisfied.
ti
sdisgorge
ghat
l
bring some
mye
wish of bath. We must by patience people. Peace and tranquillity by all
maawt
as long
d.s:oativlynplsbgsroewtesbaosh!iedl
means ! They are the only things to be relied on. It
over-
come evil.

"Presilent.—l am very glad to hear what he says,
and I will remember his words.
"His Excellency the Governor.—Work away build•
ingthis house."

We have ilia() received additional files of papers from
the Cape of Good Hope to the 25th of November,
Everything was going on prosperously at the colony.

TESTIMONIAL TO A CLERGYMAN.—The Rev. W. Iler
bert, incumbent of Princes End, Staffordshire, bas re-
ceived from his Sunday-school teachers a new years gilt
of a very beautiful arm-chair, as a testimonial of esteem.
PREFERMENT.—The Bishop of Winchester has insti-
tuted the Rev. George Pearson, M.A., to the vicarage
of Combs, Rants ; patrons, the Deans and Canons of
Windsor.
THE MURDER OF ROBERT STIRLING, ESQ.—REWARD
OF 5501.—Information has been received at the Chief
Police-office which may
facilitate the apprehension of the
persons concerned in this atrocious murder. It will be
remembered that amongst the articles of value taken
from the person of the deceased Wa4 a silver
faceengine-
turned\
l. Tod, t. 4
intidgo d fi ores,.No.
t3u,
sr r4O, ,
maker'swath ninamej. and I asgow . This
there are strong reasons for bebelievingw as disposed of
either by pledging or selling in the tow a of Durham a
few days subsequent to
is the murder, and, it being sus-
pected that the watchin the posses ;ion of an unli-
censed pawnbroker (dolly-
shop-keeper), her Majesty's
Secretary of State has engaged to remit Ithe penalty and
advise the grant of her Majesty's pardon to any unli-
censed pawnbroker, or other person who mazy have taken
the watch in pledge or purchased it, not being the actual
perpetrator of the murder, provided he .Dr she produce
it promptly, and give evidence as to the person from
whom it was received, and a reward of 507. will be paid
on its production. This is independent of any claim
the person may have to the whole or a portion of the
large reward of 5001. already offered, and to be paid to
any person or persons who may be instrumental in ob-
taining the conviction of the murderer or murderers.

CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY ELECTION.--
The following Gentlemen form Mr. Dem-
msn'e London Committee (with power to add to their
number).
E. H. Bunbury, Esq., F.R.S., late Fellow of Trinity Col-
lege Chairman.
The Rev. J. G. Lonsdale, Trinity Canon of Lichfield, Seo-
cretary to the National Society, &c., Vice-Chairman.
The Rev. H. A. Alford, late Fellow of Trinity College.
D. T. Ansted, Esq., F.R.S., late Fellow of Jesus College.
C. Babbage, Esq., F.R.S., F.L.S., arc., Trinity College.
W. F. &d' on Esq.' St. John's College.
M. B. Begbie, Esq., Fellow of St. Peter's College.
The Rev. J. W. Blakesley, 8.D., lite Fellow of Trinity
College.
John IBA Blunt, Esq., Trinity College.
J. T. Bowstead, Fan., late Fellow of Pembroke College.
Rev. W. H. Brookfield, Trinity College.
Douglas Brown, Esq., Trinity College.
T. B. Burcham, Esq., late Fellow of Trinity College.
Charles Beaton, Esq., Trinity College.
The Rev. Burgh Byam, late Fellow of King's College.
The Rev. A. M. Campbell, late Fellow of St. John's College,.
George Chance, Esq., Trinity College.
E. S. Creasy, Esq. late Fellow of King's College.
C. de la Pryrae, Esq.,: Trinity College.
The Hon. R. Denman, Trinity College.
The Hon. and Rev. L. W. Denman, Magdalen College.
W. C. D. Deighton, Esq., Fellow of Queen's College.
T. F. Ellis, Esq., F.R.S., F.R.A.S., late Fellow of Trinity
College.
F. Ellis, Esq, Trinity College.
The Rev. J. G. C. Fussell, Trinity College.
T. E. Headlam, seq., M.P., late Fellow of Trinity College.,
Arthur Helps, Esq., Trinity College.
M.P., Trinity College,
Edward Holland, Esq.,
J. Jervis, Esq., Trinity Hall.
W. Jones Loyd, Esq., Trinity College.
The Rev. B, H. Kennedy, D.D., late Fellow of St. John's
College.
J. A. Kinglake, Serjeant at Law, Trinity College.
R. G. Latham, M.D., F.A.S., late Fellow of King's College.
L. H. Law, Esq., late Fellow of King's College.
Effingham Lawrence, Esq., late Fellow of Trinity College.
J. G. Shaw Lefevre, Esq., F.R.S., late Fellow of Trinity
College.
John Locke, Esq., Trinity College.
C. B. Locock, Esq., Trinity College.
The Itli",t Hon. T. B. Macaulay, M.P., F.R.S., late Fellow
of Trinitars.thllege,
H. tbo-1-4' • Mains Esq., L.L.D., late Regius Professor
of Lavas.
A. T. Esq., Trinity College.
C. H. Maltby, Esq., Trinity College.
Horace Mansfield, Esq., late Fellow of Trinity College.
W. W. Pearson, Esq., Trinity College.
R. Perry, Esq., Trinity College.
C. J. Preston, Esq., Downing College.
The Right Hon. Sir John Romilly, Master of the Rolls,
Trinity College.
The Right Hon. Sir Edward Ryan, F.R.S., Trinity College.
J. Miller Surethurst, Esq., Trinity College.
C. G. Smith, Esq., Clare Hall.
The Hon. W. Spring Rice, Trinity College.
The Hon. C. Spring Rice, Trinity College,
John Sylus Esq. Fellow of Pembroke College.
W. J. Tayler, Esq., Trinity College.
Tom Taylor, Esq., late Fellow of Trinity College.
Martin Thackeray, late Fellow of King's College.
Henry Thring, Esq., late Fellow of Magdalen College.
The Rev. C. J. Vaughan, D.D , Head Master of Harrow,
late Fellow of Trinity College.
C. M. Vialls, Esq. Trinity College.
H. W. Watson, Esq., Fellow of Trinity College.
J. Weetlatte, Esq., Fellow of Trinity College.
The Rev. Rotero Whiston, late Fellow of Trinity College.
The Hon. Mr. Justice Vaughan Williams, Trinit3, College.
The Hen. Sir William Page Wood, late Fellow of Trinity
College.
J. Woolley, M.D., late Fellow of St. John's College.
J. Worlledge, Esq., late Fellow of 1% inity College.
F. T. Wroth, Esq., Fellow of St. John's College.
E. Yardly, Esq., late Fellow of Magdalen College.