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when the question was put. What hope could they t-n-
-tertain iron] the proceedings or the Commissioners whea
one of their own body in that House so acted?
Mr. CARDWELL said, that nothing was more com-
mon than to avoid giving the House the trouble of a
division after a 'person had placed his own senti.
ments upon record, and allowed his proposition to be
Negatived.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped
that Hon. Gentlemen would not obstruct the progress of
the business by personal allusions.
Clauses 2 and 3 were then agreed to.
On clause 4,
Sir BENJAMIN HALL moved the omission from
the clause of those words which empowered the Com-
missioners to re-invest in the purchase of land the
money they obtained by the sale and enfranchisement of
lands now in their possession,
Mr. E. DENISON said, the objection ought to have
been made on the second reading of the Bill, us it ap-
plied to the principle rather thau to the details of the
Bill.

Mr. FORSTER objected to the investiture of the
money of :he (7ommissioners in land,
Mr. GOULBURN said, the House had already em-
powered the Commissioners to borrow 800,0001. on the
security of their land, and yet the Hon. Gentleman
Would prevent their requiring land.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL explained that not an
additional acre of land would be acquire,' under the Bill.
After some further discussion the gallery was cleared
for a division, but none took place, and the amendment
Wag negativ without a division.
The Committee then divided un the clause, when there
'lL:cared
For the clause ...
Against it ...
Majority ...

... 5G

... -48

Clause 6.
Mr. ANSTEY objected to the clause as ambiguous—
that was admitted by the Government. He should there-
fore move that the Chairman report progress unless the
clause was postponed.
The gallery was cleared for a division, but none took
place, the motion being negatived without a division.
The clause was then agreed to.
ClauseClttus 8.
Clause 7 was also agreed to.
Colonel SIBTHORP asserted that the opposition to
the Bill was made up, and that there was an understand-
ir.lotween its opponents and the Government.
Sir B. H ALL contended that the clause was intended
toi Upset the whole of the legislation of last year, and
the typographical errors proposed to be amended
Were designed originally to stand fir the purpose of in-
creasing the power of the ecclesiastical body.
Mr. AGLIONBY asked whether it would not be more
advantageous to leave the Estates Commission unfet-
tired? He thought, therefore, it would be better to
strike out the clause altogether. Ic, however, they were
to be guided by rules, it should be imperative on them
to Make such rules.
kr. E. DENISON suggested that as the clause was not
longer necessary, in consequence of the amendments
Dade in the 8111, it would be better to omit it altogether.
After some further conversation,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, that he would
not Persevere with the clause. He believed that they
w °l2ld get a better security for the attainment of the
object they had in view by adopting the amendment of
the Hon. Member for Winchester (Mr. B. Carter).
0484' B. complained of the witharawal of the
seesuse) which would afford the only security to the les-
.

by the
AGLIONBY concurred in the views expressed
tue Hon. Member for Mar)lebone.
Colonel SIB FHORP said a few words.
I tlir B. HALL said he would move that the words
itcdeclesiastical Commissioners," in the Bth clause, be
i
iirliek out, and the words " Church Estates Commis-
°,ll!_ra " substituted.
ti,4°3 Committee then divided cn the motion " that
"Ilse 8 stand part of the Bill," wh-n there epplured—
For the clause
Against it •.. _ ... 51

Majority against the clause ... —43
The clause was then struck out.
°4e& the 9th clause (the interpretation clause) being
"'Ly
*171:: J. A. MUTH moved an amendment, the effect of
14.`eu we understood was to bring the Ecclesiastical Corn-
418sioners under the control, in their dealings with
84e,e8 of the Chuch Estates Commissioners.
'll,e Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment
Against it

... 33

The Majority against the amendment ... —l9
The
amendment was lost.
`"e clause was then agreed to.
tab B. CARTER then proposed to make the follow-
,_tddition to clause 8 in the Bill:—" The said Corn-
)lo'.4'icners shall, from time to time, give to any one of
kajesty's principal Secretaries of State such i -
thrtaation respecting their proceedings. or any part
tiil,teof as the said principal Secretary of State shall re-
lre, and shall twice in every year send to one of the
Prie •
1)1, elpal Secretaries of State a general report of their
titpaeedinga under this Act, together with a schedule of
fees pplications for enfranchisement or purchase of in-
ttptta of lessees; specifying the terms proposed, the
h‘ks on which such enfranchisement or purchase shall
sped been effected, and, if refused, the special ground of
shell and every half-year such general reports
kit 411 be laid before both Houses of Parliament within
kesweeks after the receipt of the same by such principal
140:etary of State, if Parliament be sitting, or it Par-
ltaim,eut be not sitting, then within six weeks after the
ti! Meeting thereof."
the lir HALL suggested that the words "on or before
'64 01 March" should be inserted in the amendment.
elec addition and amendment were thee read a first
eeotld time and annexed to the Bill.
toons the motion of Mr. CAYLEY the Act was limited
l'hatifee years from the end of the preseut session of
iranent.
het B. HALL proposed the addition of a clause to pre-
ttor„sl3,Y ecclesiastical corporatioes fie= renewing or
ittli'llueriag leases, without the consent of the Church
tioae Commissioners.
be SOLICITOR-GENERAL opposed the introduce
Iletef the clause, as at variance with the general cha-
‘ Thr cf the Bill.
The clause was negatived without a division.
'NI: CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained
The to sit again this day at twelve o'clock. .
lee, County Courts Further Extension Bill, and the
he hold Tenure of Lands (Ireland) Bill were post-
)4' until this day at twelve u'clOck.
1411. t. lIRQUHART expressed a hope that an oppor-
htell! would be afforded to him of bringing before the
44,4Lti:et,h° questions of which he had giveu notice
teti ncT., the interference of this country with the
Yis Santos and the government of the Lebanon.
-,ee'llat PALMERSTON said ho could not give any
414eft'Itking livhich.might interfere with the regular bu-
th;
tbA tee.MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
-Pe --Unger from the Lords stated that their Lord-
q, 1141
tik-tetns greed to the following Bills:
t:I4P,
Vans.°.• Contagions Diseases Prevention.
k:kk pners of Railways Act Repeal,
4,4k's a,vigation.
14'tieeto Meg() Hospital (No. 2).
IN.re' Land Company Dissolving.
Osed,,as'hridge (No. 2).
l'qetle'etits to Dorward's Estate.
ptia'llt to the DUke of Bridgewater's Estate.
rest Deer Removal, &c.
tot tl TN'IIE HUNGARIAN PRISONERS. .
)41;!() ur STUART then rose, pursuant to notice, to
thtNto at an humble address be presented to her
145tsotsimfor the list of any addresses to her Majesty, or
Lstlte ,8 to the Foreign-office, or petitions to the
Cottnona, on the subject of the liberation of
tttl1140:880th and his compatriots; with the names of
liehtir4 fr°ol which addressed and the number of sig.
bled h4ttaehed to each of them, stating also when
Itet4t 1,5'11 chairman on behalf of the meeting. That
qohlate,"`t been frequently brought before tne House,
re lb Vilcas had been addressed relative to it to his
tettli,ettitlitnd at the head of the Foreign D,partment,
itt",Szta:„!° kelowlwhen the termination of the captivity
toti:lfo4",saners might be expected. In reply to these
,1004 P, hopes had been held out that li.ossuth and his
epp:tt aotit would soon be free, and he hoped they
hqi Ne,o hear from his Noble Friend that those
f.teli4,ttsl.lll,,d not be disappointed. For the sake of the
484,4 t) sh` the Turkish Government he trusted such
his Platlehutt-: ease- A short time nee his Noble Friend's
he ;t have been received' with acclamation at all
ttls;llt4le'dB"hlages where the cause of Hungary might
tlittlittlitlfae.443B;..but he feared it. would be hailed with
Oe th 'o*,, as people did not think he was. so
ttitti4:3l ight cause of the liberation of those captives
that si,„ be. hoped, however, that his Noble
"linen. d .
he
Ati ee In Turkey would still be foun superior
pia Ofe.rsetlia and Russia, and that no objection
11%1°4,4(14 p
AUT to his motion. .
t,fl theta ',4-4NIERSTON said he made no oppost-
-4'4 t:°11. ex:" to the motion of his Noble Friend. He
ove otion eressed his opinion on the subject to which
4°,41 ti4tlttletittsehlated, and he regretted that the Turkish.
vitt, uotiE ould have thought it right to retain so
Iltk.l, 'laensent those who had taken refuge in that
11 144 "wh • h
e tebri h 0 ad received from officers high in t e
4 es assurances of protection and support.
ete wag
%,,,.I),lxtellt it._ aware of what had made the Turkish
li:4ls44ltsowwerve from those engagements entered
„Qa..creb 11 Officers, and also neutralised the efforts
'lkle"ott ce aud
kIN of the England were making to secure the
vstitlet,t at knt.., Prisoners. The long detention of these
eii4tie tours, 'Yu. Was quite inconsistent with the inde-
t tto • which England and France were elides-
°Y 14dace th
sexy t Sultan to pursue. They had done
t the'
,attd the Put an end to the captivity of those pri-
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,tat of sYO had received a positive assurance that
It °0 the 1511)Etletaber (which according to our style
he everad en ) those persons would be set at ry aoled to quit the Turkish terrtory LI
l'tel2lPointus..°4 to believe that the assurances would poet
motioneu
t°
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weiv Use acr then agreed to.
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