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o 1 vicars-apostolic, thereby making the nation more inde- of the see of Rome ; and he had asked the House to place
pendent of Rome. The Right Honourable Gentleman did the brand of illegallity on those badges and symbols.
not always hold these sentiments; for on referring to a The House then divided, when there appeared—
Wiltshire paper, he (Sir G. Grey) found an account of a ; For the second reading .. 438
meeting held on the 6th of December last, at which the Against it ... . 95
Right Hon. Gentleman had proposed a motion which was Majority .--343
seconded by the Dean of Salisbury, and its tenor was of a
The announcement of the numbers was received with
very different nature from the sentiments recently professed
loud cheers.
by the Right lion, Gentleman. The Right Hon. Baronet
In answer to a question from Mr. ROCHE,
here proceeded to read the resolution to which he referred,
Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say that he would
and which commenced by saying that that meeting viewed
fix the Committee on Monday next, but that it should not
with indignation the attempt made by the Court of Rome,
be on the first day after Easter. He begged to move that
and considered the assumption by a foreign potentate to im- the House at its rising should
pose a Roman Catholic hierarchy upon this country was an ijourn till Thursday.
Agreed to.
unwarrantable assumption of the Royal prerogative, and a
Mr. HUME asked when the Budget would come on?
gross insult to the nation.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL would state the day on Friday next,
Such was the resolution proposed by the Right Hon. Gentle-
when the Noble Lord was understood to say the army esti-
man.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman cheered
mates would be taken.
him (Sir G. Grey) as if he still entertained the same The other orders were then disposed of, and
opinions. He could only say, if the Right Hon. Gentleman
The House adjourned at a Quarter-past Three o'clock.
did so, he had very imperfectly expressed them in that
House.—( Hear, and laughter.) In pursuance of the reso-
lutions passed at that meeting, an address to the Queen had
been also moved, with a portion only of which he would
trespass on the House.
Mr. S. HERBERT—If the Right Hon. Baronet will allow
ma I will save him some trouble. I distinctly refused to sign
the address because I did not concur with it.—(Hear.)
Sir G. GREY said the part which he was about reading
agreed wonderfully with the resolution to which he had al-
ready alluded.—(Hear and laughter.) It had been moved
by Mr. Sotheron that a petition should be presented to the
Houses of Lords and Commons, and that petition had been
equally condemnatory of the assumption of the Pope. Now,
if the Right Hon. Gentleman dissented from those docu-
ments there was no record of his dissent in the report of the
proceedings before him.—(Hear, hear.) Therefore he (Sir
G. Grey) did not think the Right Hon. Gentleman was the
safest possible guide in that matter.— (Hear and laughter.)
He came then to the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for
Ripon (Sir James Graham) who had spoken of the act and the
language of the Pope as arrogant and assuming in the ex-
treme, and had said that it was such a matter as the Go-
vernment could not pass over unnoticed. But though the
Right Hon. Baronet had expatiated at great length upon the
subject, he had never told them the course which he, occupy-
ing the distinguished position which he did, would advise
the House to pursue.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member
for Abingdon, indeed, recommended the revival of the old
statutes of I,mm...ire ; but that was a proceeding which the
law officers of the Government did not feel disposed to re-
commend or to adopt, although they believed the introduc-
tion of that Papal brief was a violation of the statute law of
the land. The Hon. Gentleman who last addressed the House
had recommended diplomatic agency, with a distinct intima-
tion that war was not to be the result ; but even if they had
a diplomatic agent at Rome, all he could do would he to re-
commend the withdrawal of the brief a matter which the
Roman Catholic Members had told them was impossible.
The Hon. Member for Plymouth, in the course of his speech,
passed by several essential differences which he ought to
recollect. The organization of which he spoke did not pro-
ceed from a foreign Power. But yet, on that occasion it did
proceed from a foreign Power, and that, to s without any
communication with, or the approval of, the sovereign of
the realm. It had been characterised by a mix-
ture of a temporal and spiritual jurisdiction. An-
other point was the claim of universal dominion
which distinguised the Papal authority from that of
all other bodies of religionists. He would ask any man
who read the documents, whether there was not a claim to
exercise a temporal and a civil jurisdiction as well as a
spiritual one ? ( Hear.) It was impossible to reject that
consideration It was because that was the act of a foreign
power, parcelling out this country into certain divisions,
without the authority or consent of the Sovereign—it was
that which had roused the spirit of the people of this coun-
try, and which induced them, like our ancestors, to take mea-
sures to guard the independence of this nation against the
aggression of any foreign power. In no country in Europe
did the interference of the Pope take place without being
in accordance with the State, or in -virtue of some direct
municipal law authorising such interference. The Right
Hon. Gentleman the Member for the University of Oxford
(Mr. Gladstone) had cited various periods of history in
which vicars-apostolic had been requested to be changed,
but such had never taken place without the sanction and
interference of the British Government. That project had
been entertaiced for a long time, but it had never been
agreed to without the imposition of such conditions as would
prevent the encroachments or assumptions of the see of
Rome. The Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Ripon had
said that on a former occasion Sir J. Hippesley, being in
communication with the Government and Roman Catholics
ha this country, had applied to the Pope to substitute bishops
for vicars-apostolic, which had been refused at the time.
The facts of the case were incorrectiy stated, unintentionally,
he had no doubt, by the Right Hon. Bar no'. But even
had it been as described, that would aye been no precedent
for what had been done. In the records of the year 1812
he could find no trace of the matter referred to. But be
believed he had found upon what the Right Hon. Baronet's
statement had been based. In a speech which Sr J. Hip-
pesley made in 1812 upon a motion of Mr. Grattan's for a
Committee of the whole House on the Catholic claims, he
had entered into a detail of a communication which he had
had some years before with Rome ; but in those
negotiations there had been strict conditions attached ;
and they had been carried on on the principle of perfect do-
mestic security from all foreign encroachment. Sir J. Hip-
pioiley had always pointed to a veto as indispensable in any
arrangemeurs which might be made. But were they now to
be told that the Pope was justified in adopting
only that part of the proposition which might suit his own
view, without any reference to the conditions which had
been originally attached to it.—(Hear, hear.) With respect
to the position of the Roman Catholic Church, it should
rower be forgotten that that Church, unlike the Wesleyan
Conference and the various Dissenting bodies in this country,
claimed dominion over every baptised person. It was
nothing to say that that was an empty claim. The time
might come when, under favourable circumstances with the
Church of Rome, unchanging and unchangeable, they might
yet see a Marian persecution. In pressing forward that
measure they were acting in strict conformity with the
Act of 1829, which extended full religious equality to our
Roman Catholic fellow-subjects, while it did not leave
them exempt from all restraint in their connexion with the
see of Rome. Ile was sloe that the distinguished men
who had mainly contributed to the attainment of Roman
Catholic emancipation, had never thought of debarring
themselves from the tight of asserting the independ-
ence of this nation against the encroachments of Papal
power, as it had been asserted in every period a
Bi of
our history.—(Hear, hear.) He said that that was ll
opposed to the principle of religious freedom, and one tending
to coerce Roman Catholics. It had been said that the Go-
vernment would be bound to vote against the first clause of
that Bill, because in Ireland the adoption of the first clause
would have the same effect as if the twe other clauses had
been retained in the measure. Now, he said that that was a
statement unsupported by proof, and in any case he believed
that the Roman Catholics in Ireland had very little reason
to feel thankful to the Hon. and Learned Member for Athlone
(Mr. Keogh) for the ingenuity he had displayed in attempt-
ing to show that they were fettered by a clause in the Eman-
cipation Act in a manner which had not been previously ima-
gined. It had been frequently said in the course of these
debates that that was a quarrel originating in the jealousy
entertained by the prelates of the Established Church towards
the newly-created Catholic hierarchy. But the petitions to
that House, and the addresses to the Crown, which had been
presented from laymen in every part of the country, clearly
showed that the feeling which existed upon the subject was
one of a national character, and that both Churchmen and
Dissenters had felt that aggression, not in their merely reli-
gions capacities, but as Eng,riishmen, animated by the same
spirit which had induced their forefathers to impose barriers
against the encroachments of the see of Rome.-- (Hear, hear,
and cries for a division.) The Right Hon. Gentleman op-
posite (Mr. Gladstone) had tsunted his Noble Friend at the
head of the Government with having deserted upon that oc-
casion the liberal sentiments he had enunciated on the hust-
ings of the city of London. But let him tell the Right
lion. Gentleman that the citizens of London had, in their ad-
dress to the Throne, clearly expressed their views upon that
question, and that while avowing their uncompromising ad-
herence to the principles of civil and religious liberty, they
had asked,in the name of that very liberty that some measure
should be adopted for the purpose of putting a restraint on
the exercise of a foreign authority in these realms.—(Hear,
hear, and cries for a division.) In conclusion he should
say that these territorial titles, which were said to be but
empty names, were the badges and symbols of a jurisdiction
claimed to be exercised by the sole and undivided authority
of the Court of Rome. What her Majesty's Government
asked them to do was to place the brand of illegality on those
badges and symbols. They might reject that Bill in accord-
ance with the recommendation and the hopes of his R ght
Hon. Friend the Member for Ripon and of those who acted
with him, without any alternative measure having been
offered to them. They might encourage the Court of Rome
to fresh acts of aggression, and lead to the belief, as asserted
by Cardinal Wiseman and others, that the feeling of the
country upon the subject was only a temporary and popular
effervescence. They might create what he felt convinced
would be a false impression—that the Commons of England
were indifferent to the honour of the Crown and the inde-
pendence of the nation. But in pursuing that course they
might excite throughout the country that great religious
war which the Hon. Member for Liverpool seemed so eager
to rush into, but which he (Sir G. Grey) for one most ear-
nestly deprecated. They might reject that measure, and
by that means contributed to the introduction of a new Bill,
"ith far more stringent provisions; but he sincerely trusted
ut they would, on the contrary, maintain on that occasion
the character handed down to them by their ancestors, and
raa,acifeat a legitimate jealousy of foreign interference in the
affairs of this country. He believed that by passing that Bill
by a large and decisive majority, they would best consult the
honour of the Sovereign, the independence of the country,
arid the sacred cause of civil and religious liberty.— (Cheers,
and cries for a division, mingled with calls for Mr. Hatchell,
followed by some laughter.)
The Earl of AItuNDEL and SURREY here rose, but was
informed by
The SPEAKER that he had not then a right to address
the House, as he bad already spoken in moving the amend-
ment.
Mr. S. HERBERT said he wished to say a few words upon
a matter which related to himself personally, and which had
been referred to by the Rightt on- Baronet the Secretary
For the Home Department. i
which Right lion. Baronet had
read two documents for he
e had
held him
Il
Herbert) responsible. Sow he had objected to the fiirrs't So
f.
these documents, and he had never even heard of the other
it
e,
until it had been read by the Right Honourable B
having, as he supposed, been adopted after he had left the
meeting. What he had done was to have moved the reso-
lution which the Right Hon. Baronet had read.— (Loud
cries of " Hear, hear.") He stood by that resolution; but
ha had also endeavoured to point out to the meeting, as
he
had endeavoured to point out to the House, that a spiritual
aggression ought to be met by spiritual means, and not by
Acts of Parliament.—(hear, hear.)
Mr. P. HOWARD rose, amidst loud groans, and cries for
a division, which for some time rendered him unable to ad-
dress the House. lie said that he did not mean to reply at
that moment at any length to the obsery tions of the Right
Hon. Baronet the Secre ary for the Home • Department.
But he should at once protest most indignantly against the
imputation that the Catholics of England and the sister
coumtry claimed by the institution of a hierarchy any tem-
poral authority. And still more indignantly should he pro-
test against the statement of the Right Hon. Baronet, that
he was about to place a brand upon one-third of the inhabi-
tants of the British empire.—(Hear, hear, and cries for a
division.) With that notice of what had tallen from the
Riglet Hon. Baronet, he should for the moment be satisfied.
On the motion for going into Committee on the Bill he
shouid probably take the liberty of expressing at length
his opinions upon the whole question.---(Renewed cries for a
di visical.)
Sir G. GREY said that his Hon. Friend had misunder-
stood him. He had not said anything about branding one-
third of his fellow-subjects. But he had said that those
titles R 'ere the badges and symbols of a jurisdiction claimed
to be ex. Ircised by virtue of the sole and undivided authority

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HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE.
Madlle. CARLOTTA GRISI.
It is respectfully announced that Madlle. CARLOTTA GRISI will
make her First Appearance this Season, on SATURDAY next,
March 29, in the Ball Scene of GUSTAVE 111. ; ou, Le Bal Masque.

HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE.
The First Night of GUSTAVE 111.
It is respectfully announced that on SATURDAY, March 29, will
be produced Auber's celebrated Opera of
GUSTAVE JII. ; on, Le Bal Masque.
Amalie (Countess of Ankastrom), Madame Fiorentini (her first
appearance this season) ; Arvedson, Madlle Feller (her first appear-
ance) ; Oscar (Page of the King), Madlle. Caroline Duprey ; Ankas-
trom, Signor Lorenzo ; Dehorn, Signor F. Lablache ; Ribbing, Mons.
Poultier (of the Academic Royale, Paris, his first appearance ; ex-
pressly engaged, in order to give effect to the production of the
Opera) ; Gustavus 111., Signor Calzolari.
In the Ball-room scene, Madlle. Carlotta Grist will make her first
appearance this season in a Grand Pas, supported by nacilles. Aus-
sandon, and Dantoine ; Pas de Charactere, by Madlles. Holenberg,
Soto, Soldansky, and Emma ; Grand Monstre Galop by the entire
Ballet Company.
To be followed by a new and original Ballet, A la Watteau, entitled
MTH DES AMOURS.
Composed by M. Paul Taglioni, the Mule by M. Nadaud, the
Scenery by Mr. C. Marshall, in which Madlle. Amalla Ferraris will
appear,

Fleurette (Bergere), Mdlle. Amalia Ferraris.
Colin (son Fiancé), M. Charles.
Gregoire (Pere de Cohn), M. di Mattia.
Blaise (Amoureux de Fleurette), M. Ehrick.
Le Governeur de l'lle des Amours, M. Gosselin.
Mdlle. de FoHauges (Grand Dame), Mme. Petit Stephan.
Ire Chef des Amours, Mdlle. Tedeschi,
2me Chef des Amours, Mdlle. Anssandon,
Un Maitre de Ceremonies, M. Venafra.
Astrologues (Conseiller da Gouverneur), M. Gouriet.
First Tableau, La Loi Impossible. " Les Fiances," dame pasto-
rale. "Le Jen de la Rose," pas de deux, par Mdlle. Amelia Fer-
raris and M. Charles. Le Governeur Amoureux. Sa Deception.
Vengeance. La Proclamation.
Second Tableau, La Paysanne ala Cour. " Jadis et Aujourd'hni,"
Lntte de la Dance Roccoc et Modern, scene executes par
Mdlle. Amalia Ferraris, Mme. Petit Stephan, et M. Gosselin.
Third Tableau, Les Amours Vengeurs. Dense du Chef des Amours,
Mdlle. Tedeschi. " Les Bergeres captivees par les Amours," Balla-
bile, par Mdlle. Amalia Ferraris, Mdlle. Tedeschi, et les Dames du
Corps de Ballet. "Les Berger* Delaisses," final, par Mdlle.
Amelia Ferraris, Mdlle. Tedeschi, M. Charles, et Corps de Ballet.
Fourth Tableau, La Chasse aux Amours. " Le Pas do Trebuchet,"
executee par Mdlle. Tedeschi, Mdlle. Aussandon, and M.
Ehrick. La ( ourse aux Amours. Comma on se laisse
prendre dans ses filets. La Proclamation Abolie. Le Pardon.
Divertissement. Grand Pas de Deux, par Mdlle. Amelia Ferraris
and M. Charles, accompagnes par Mdlles. Soto, a mma, Lavinia,
Soldansky, Vanhollen, et Beale. Final General et Apotheose des
Amours.
Applications for Boxes, Stalls, and TiActs to be made at the Box-
office of the Theatre. Doors opened at Sevea, the Opera to com-
mence at Half-past Seven o'clock.

THEATRE ROYAL, DRITRY-LA.NE.
Lessee and Manager, Mr. James And :_rson.
THIS EVENING
Will be presented by her Majesty's S3rvasts
A petite Comedy, entitled A MORNING CALL, in which Mr. J.
Anderson and Mrs. Nisbett will appear.
After which, a new grand Operatic Spectacle, entitled AZ AEL,
THE PRODIGAL. Reuben, Mr. Vandenhoff ; Azael, Mr. J. Ander-
son ; Amenophis, Mr. W. West ; Bucharis, Mr. Cooper ; Sethos. Mr.
Rafter; Jephtele, Miss F. Vining; Nette, Mrs. Walter Lacy; Lis,
11 villa. Victorine Legrain (Premier Sujet du Opera de Paris), who
has been expressly engaged for the occasion, and will make her
appearance every evening.
To conclude with RAISING THE WIND.

ri:h -KO IAL, fIA YlictAttli .
Webster, iole Lessee and Manager, Oh Brompton.
THIS EVENING,

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Will be performed HAMLET. Hamlet, Mr. J. W. Wallack ; Ger-
trude, Miss L. Addison : Ophella, Miss P. Horton.
After which a new and original Farce called MAKE THE BEST
OF IT.

rtik.ArßE ROYAL, ADELPIII,
Under the direction of Madame Celeste.
THIS EVENING,
Will be performed a new and original Drama, called THE DIS-
OWNED ; or Helen of the Hurst. Characters by Messrs. Cullen-
ford, Boyce, Hughes, Emery, Wright, P. Bedford, Worrell, Honey,
C. J. Smith, Sanders ; Madame Celeste, Miss E. Harding, Miss Laura
Honey, Miss Turner, Mrs. Woolidge, Mrs. Laws, and "%figs Woolgar.
After which a new Farce called THE SCHOOL FOR TIGERS ;
or, The Shilling Hop. Captain Klteflyer, Mr. Boyce ; Major Stiff,
Mr. Freeborn ; Mr. Panels, Mr. Wright; Alexander Panels, Miss
Chaplin ; Mr. Firkins, Mr. C. J. Smith ; Tom Crop, Miss Woolgar.

ROYAL PRINCESS'S THEATRE, OXFORD-STREET.
Under the Management of Mr. C. Keaa and Mr. Keeley.
THIS EVENING,
Will be performed a new and original Comedy entitled LOVE IN
A. MAZE. Characters by Messrs. C. Kean, Keeley, Wigan, Harley,
Addison, Meadows ; Mrs. Keeley, Mrs. Winstanley, and Mrs. C.

Kean.
To conclude with a new Melodrama, entitled PAULINE, in
which Mr. and Mrs. Charles Kean will appear.

ROYAL LYCEUM THEATRE.
Under the Management of Madame Vestri.f.
Sole Lessee, Mr. Charles Mathew%
THIS EVENING,
Will be performed

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COOL AS A CUCUMBER.
After which an entirely new and original Fairy Extravaganza,
to be called KING CHARMING , or, the Blue Bird of Paradise.
Characters by Messrs. C Mathews, F. Matthews, Horncastle, Suter,
Bellingham, and Horner; Mrs. Frank Matthews, Miss Ellis, Mrs.
C. Horn, Miss St. George, and Miss Martindale.
To conclude with
-- ...

THE RINGDOVES, in which Messrs. C. Mathews, F. Matthews,
'toil Baker, Mrs. F. Matthews, and Miss M. Oliver will appear.

ROYAL OLYMPIC THEATRE.
Lessee and Manager, Mr. W. Farren.
THIS EVENING,
Will be performed CHARLES KING.
To be followed by SIXTUS THE FIFTH ; or, The Broken Vow.
And a Ballet Divertissement.

1:11011 WATER Al LONDON BRIDGE
ems 'AT —Morning 35 min. after 8 I Eveniag 19 min. after 9
To-Moasow—Morning 2 min. after 10 Evening 41 min. after 10

THE WEATHER.—S OFFICE, MARCH 26.
THERMOMETER, IN THE SHADE.
50—highest since noon yesterday.
42—lowest this morning and during the night.
45—this day, at noon.

BAROKETEIZ, 29.46.
WIND S.W.—Heavy rain all the morning.

DAILY WEATHER TABLE.

State of the Wind and Weather at each of the following
places at Nine o'clock yesterday morning.—The stations
are arranged in order of latitude.
ECINC!STOWN (Dumas)—Wind S.S.E., gentle breeze—heavy

rain.
PLYMOVITI—Wind S.E., strong breeze—heavy rain.
?OAT/MOUTH—Wind S.W., gentle breeze—overcast.
SouTHAmPToN—Wind W., strong breeze—overcast.
BASINGSTOKE--Wind S., gentle breeze—overcast.
GEE EN W IC H—Calm—overcast.
SWINDON—Wind S.W., gentle breeze—overcast.
LEIGHTON—Wind S., gentle breeze—overcast.
CAMBRIDGE—Wind S. W., gentle breeze—overcast.
BIRMDIGHAM— Wind S.W., calm—overcast.
PETERBOROUGH—Wind S.W., gentle breeze—overcast.
YAHmouTH—Wind S.W., gentle breeze—overcast.
CREWE—Wind S., gentle breeze—overcast.
CoxwAY—Wind S.W., gentle breeze—partially cloudy.
HoLYnaAn—Wind S.S.E., gentle breeze—overcast.
LANcesTEß—Wind S., calm—foggy.
WHlTBY—Calm—foggy.
BHHwicK—Wind N.E., gentle breeze—foggy.
The returns from the following places indicate the state cif
the wind and weather on Monday morning at nine
o'clock :
CORK—Wind N., light breeze—partially clear.
LtHznicK—Wind W., gentle breeze—cloudless.
CeaLow—Wind N.E., hard wind—cloudless.
MummioaH—Wind N., gentle breeze—principally cloudy.
LEIGHTON—Wind S.W., strong breeze—overcast.
COLCHESTER—Wind N.W., gentle breeze—partially cloudy.
YoaK—Wind N.W., strong breeze—partially cloudy.
LivicHrooL—Wind S.E., gentle breeze--overcast.
WHITEHAvax— Wind S.W., gentle breeze—overcast.
BERWICK—Wind N.E., gentle breeze—rain.

At the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, the mean daily
reading of the barometer decreased to 28.842 inches on Sa-
turday. The mean of the week was 29.351 inches. The
mean daily temperature was generally above the average,
and on Thursday and Friday exceeded it by about 6 degrees.
The mean of the week was 44Q.9• The wind was generally
is the south-west. Rain fell in the week to the depth of
113 inches.

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