The Sun.
London, England, 1834-04-15 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 14.
Sir R. PEEL must put in a word for the Royal
Academy, and thought if they gave up their rooms
they ought at least to be relieved from a portion of the
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tleman opposite, the condition of resigning possession
whenever the public might want it. The Royal Academy
was almost filled with life portraits, and consequently
paintings of much greater merit were displaced for
them, and which formed a disgraceful by-law in the
system.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY could not allow the observa-
tion that had last fallen from the hon. gentleman to
pass without giving a flat contradiction to the state-
ment. If it was meant to be imputed that there was
any partiality shown in the hanging of the
pictures, the hon. gentleman must have been greatly
misinformed. No painter had any choice whatever, or
any voice in the place to be occupied in Somerset-
house by his paintings. There was a committee
galled a " hanging committee" t Laughter), with
whom entirely the hanging of the paintings rested,
and nothing whatever of any partiality had ever
been known to take place in the selection of the
places for particular paintings. As a vacancy occurred
In that committee, it was filled up out of the
most eminent members, and the rule was to give to
every good painting a place above what was called
the line. ( Hear, hear.) There were undoubtedly
a great many portraits of living persons, and
that was in consequence of public taste unfortunately
!worming those sort of paintings in preference to
iistorical paintings, but still there was no par- .
iality shown respecting them. If it happened
:hat a gentleman had to find fault with a good picture
not being placed in a good light, it was not to be con-
sidered as the fault of any one. He ( Sir Matthew) was
extremely glad in being able to confirm the statement
of the right hon. member for Tamworth, that if these
pictures had not been bought by government, they were .
about immediately to be removed from the wintry.
The fact was that they were going to be taken
to the King of Bavaria, who would have given
many thousands of pounds more for them than they
had been purchased for, and the public cold not
fail to be gratified with the purchase.
Mr. RUTHVEN not consider 11,5501. a paltry
sum, especially when a tto be given for two pictures.
The prices of paintings had fallen much in Europe,
and he did not think the people of England could then
afford to have so much money sunk, especially when such
distress stalked abroad. Was there a morning that ho-
nourable gentlemen did not hear afresh tale of misery, and
should not such misery be considered before they would
proceed in what might be justly considered an expensive
course ? He would vote against the estimate.
Mr. SPRING RICE said he had been most anxious
that the fullest information should have been afforded to
the house respecting the estimates then sought to be voted.
They had lain on the table, and had been open to the most
searching inquiry. The people of England had been spoken
of, and the hon. gentleman who had preceded him had
stated that the vote would not be carried if their wants
were not duly considered. Now he (Mr. Rice) would un-
hesitatingly, and without the slightest fear of contradiction,
state that there were no class of men more anxious for the
advancement of the arts than the artizans of England.
(Hear.) They would be far from opposing the present
estimate. (Hear.) When Sir William Hamilton's vases
were purchased, the working classes were not found to
murmur; from them the arts received an impetus which
was both great and gratifying. It was essential the Na-
tional Gallery should not be without a place for its pictures ;
that place was there provided, but when it was necessary
to resume the rooms, of course they would be restored.
Mr. ROEBUCK concurred with the right hon. gentle-
man, that no class of men were more desirous that every en-
couragement might be afforded to the arts than the work'nz
classes of the nation. He had some connection with those
classes ; he knew their habits well, and he could speak con-
fidently on the, subject. They would foster, encourage,
and liberally provide for their support.
Mr. EWART had much pleasure in coinciding with the
right hon. the Secretary of the Treasury, and the hon.
member for Bath. .The labouring population of England
were not indifferent to objects of taste, and NA orks of refine-
ment, and would ever; he trusted, be found, as they were
at present, generous enough to concur in what Parliament
considered as essential for their maintenance. He thought,
however, the public were not sufficiently attended to, that
more facilities should be given • for their accommodation,
and that garb should not he looked at when persons pre-
smted themselves for admission at the doors of the Royal
Academy. He (Mr. Ewart) felt himself justified in =k-
ing these observations, and-he should move at the proper
period for a return of the by-laws of the Royal Academy.
Mr. ROEBUCK hoped everything like exclusion would
be done away with, and that all classes of the community,
whether their dreSs was rich or humble, NI ould have the.
equal privilege of viewing those works which might justly
be considered national.

Sir MATTHEW WHITE" RIDLEY felt himself
called upon to deny the existence of the distinction con-
tended for by the two hon. gentlemen who had just
spoken. Dress or appearance was never considered, and
to corroborate what he then.said, he might adduce a cir-
cumstance -of recent occurrence. Two sailors presented
themselves at the doors of the British Institution in Pall-
Mall, and on getting into the room, and surveying a
beautiful painting, they were struck with amazement, and
gave vent to their feelings in words which perhaps he ought
not to quote to the house. (Hear.) "
how well she sails." (Laughter.) Again he would repeat,
no such distinction as that complained of existed.
Mr. O'CONNELL considered two hours of a Sunday
afternoon might with great propriety be devoted to that
portion of the public that were desirous to spend them in
our public institutions.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote that 42,7211. be granted for the repairs of
public buildings, providing furniture for the same, and
for improvement in the Royal Gardens to the 31st March,
1835,

Mr. WARBURTON said he was sorry he did not find
an item in the estimate for a new House of Commons.
(Hear, and laughter. )
The following estimates were then agreed to :-
1,000/. for the improvement of the harbour of Kingstown.
3,742/. for the improvement of the harbour of Do-
n aghadee.
3,922/. to defray the expenses of the Holyhead and
Liverpool roads, &c.
8,000/. for the charge of the new buildings in the Britisb.
Museum.
Mr. ROEBUCK was anxious to know whether the sum
of 8,0001. would be sufficient for all the purposes required ?
Mr. SPRING RICE went into a series of particulars,
and said there was every reason to presume that no further
sum would be required. Every person who had seen Sir
Robert Smirke's works must be impressed with the idea,
that they could not have been better executed. There had
been no limit made to Sir Robert's demands. His plans
were highly approved of, and the trustees had no reason to
complain of the confidence which had been reposed in him.
Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY expressed himself to the
effect that the Museum should be opened during the
holidays.
Mr. WARBURTON complained of the closing of the
doors at four o'clock. There were numbers of persons in
this great metropolis whose only time for reading was after
the business hours of the day, and surely their wishes
should not be slighted. The objection against using candles
was the danger of fire, but might not a fire-proof room be
provided, and thus guard against the remotest possibility of
harm? The numbers who annually frequent the rooms
were exceedingly large, but they would be much greater if
the plan he then mooted was adopted. The vacation was
also too long. There were numbers of foreigners in town
during that period, who would, if not excluded, be found•
crowding the respective rooms. He would wish partiew,
larly to impress these suggestions on the mind of his right
hon. friend, confident as he was that a remonstrance from
him would have its due and proper effect.
Mr. SPRING RICE—The question, whether farther
access ought to be afforded to the public, he mild assure
the hon. gentleman, was not then for the fir time mooted.
Every one must be aware that the public had a right to
have their wishes consulted in the fullest manner, and ho
could assure the house that the trustees were most desirous
to meet the fullest investigation. The officers were like-
wise desirous that the visiters should have no cause of com-
plaint ; in fact, the whole question was one of expediency.
Danger was apprehended, and if it was considered it could
be removed, he was sure no objection would be made to any
during
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trustees. that might be brought under the considera-
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The vote was then agreed to.
37,000/. for the works and improvements of 'Windsor
Castle.
Mr. JAMES was desirous to know would that sum, if
voted, be all that would be required for the completion of
the works ?
Mr. SPRING RICE-37,0001. completes the estimate.
13,0001. for the building of a national gallery.
Mr. EWART would take the opportunity, while the
present vote was under consideration, to express a hope
that the Gallery, if formed, would not only be a Gallery
for ancient, but for modern works of art. Modern talent
had not been sufficiently encouraged,and too much attention
had been given to portrait painting, to the exclusion of
what he would ever consider a higher order of the painter's
genius. Historical subjects were neglected, subjects which
tended to make more lasting impressions on the minds of
the beholders than the most elaborate touches of the courtly
painter's pencil. The neglect proceeded from the mem-
bers of the Royal Academy, and such neglect gave charac-
ter to the arts of the country. It would be different, he
trusted, in the new Gallery. Thepublie, he hoped, would
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that every order of painting would find its correct place.
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'f he monopoly, too, was manifest, and could not be too
much complained against, it should be reformed altogether.
Places might be given, subject to license, if the artists
desired. Two considerations should ever weigh with them,
first, the promotion of art, and, secondly, its general dif-
fusion among other people. The Gallery ought to be
divided into three divisions—one part should be appropriated
to portraits, another to historical subjects, and a third to
landscape drawings. The sculpture, too, ought not to be
placed en masse. The arrangement ought to be considered
according to the estimation and extent of the figures. The
charge of one shilling at the doors was injudicious, and
most illiberal, as there was no reason for it ; and one of the
first steps which the Government should take ought to be
to throw the National Gallery open to the people. No one
could traverse Paris without being struck with the differ-
ence there exhibited between its public institutions, and
those of London. Added to which, in the lowest coffee-
houses classical imitations were seen, which showed how
refined were the minds of the people. And to what was
that correctness to be attributed? Principally, he would
say, to the facilities every where given to the people to
cultivate their genius and. improve their taste.
Mr. SINCLAIR defended the ()icier of the portraits in
Somerset-house. He could assure the hon. member for
Liverpool that he had seen some beautiful women there
(Laughter) ; and as to historical subjects, he would
much rather see a pictorial representation of he
Duke of Wellington, than that of some character of anti-
quity of whom they knew but little and respected less.
Sir R. INGLIS would support the estimate.
Mr. HOBSON defended the Royal Academy. The
demand of a shilling was for the purpose of forwarding the
interests of the arts ; sending students abroad to study ; in
fact, doing what the nation otherwise would be compelled
to do.
Mr. ROEBUCK—The rooms belong to the public, and
the motile should not be charged for visiting their own
freehold.
Mr. S. RICE—The Royal Academy had effected much ;
they had raised the character of the country. The schools
of Reynolds and Opie would ever be gratefully remem-
bered. The sum of one shilling taken at the doors was
given for the most generous of purposes. It was the onl,
revenue of the Academy, and who could stand up and say
it was misapplied ? The servants had likewise to be paid,
and the people themselves did not object to the demand.
Mr. C. WYNN spoke in favour of the estimate. The
hon. member for Bath was in error. The rooms originally
belonged to the. Crown, which presented them to the Royal
Academy.
Mr. WARBURTON thought that this was a fit time
to inquire how the Royal Academy conducted itself, and
he would be happy to support a motion for a committee to
inquire into that subject.
Mr. EWART thought that if the pictures were to be
taken into the National Gallery, the exhibition ought to
ba open to the nation.
3lr. ROEBUCK thought that the Academy ought to
be a National not a Royal Institution. In its present state
it was a mere vehicle for royal jobbing.
An Hole. 31ettexa said that there was no institution
more free of anything like jobbing than the Royal Academy.
The vote was then agreed to.
Mr. S. RICE then rose and said, that when the Esti-
mates were before the house last year, his noble friend the
First Commissioner for Woods and Forests had pledged
himself that something should be done in the course of this
year for the restoration of Westminster Hall. Since then
an estimate had been made of the expense which would be
necessary for this object—the one by merely repairing
the Hall, the other by lowering the present floor and re-
storing, the ancient Proportions of the building. If the
first of these plans were adopted, the expense to the country
would be 8,500/. ; if the other, the expense would be
17,0001. The general opinion was that the floor ought to
be lowered, and in that opinion he concurred ; he would,
therefore, propose that a sum not exceeding 17,000/. be
granted. This sum would cover not only the expense of
the restoration of the Hall, but of the alterations which
were considered so desirable.
Sir S. WHALLEY objected to the lowering of the
floor of the Hall. With that exception he gave the vote
his hearty concurrence.
Mr. C. W. WYNN suggested that Palace-yard should
also be lowered, which would obviate the awkwardness of
entering the Hall down three or four steps.
The vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were then agreed to :-
67,000/ towards the expense of rebuilding houses which
were destroyed during the riots.
44,5001. for salaries to the officers of the Houses o.
Lords and Commons, and the pensions paid to retired
officers.
25,000/. as the expenses of the House of Lords and the
House of Commons.
41,000/. to make good the deficiency of the Fee Fund in
the Department of his Majesty's Treasury.
10,5981. to make good the deficiency of the Fee Fund in
the Department of his Majesty's Secretary of State for the
Home Department.
13,3371. to make good the deficiency of the Fee Fund in
the Department of his Majesty's Secretary of State for the
Foreign Department.
9,7371. to make good the deficiency of the Fee Fund in
the Department of his Majesty's Secretary of State for the
Colonies.
18,658/. to meet the expenses of his Majesty's Privy
Council and of the Privy Council for Trade.
2,0001. for the Salary of the Lord Privy Seal.
7,3001. to meet the contingent expenses and Messen-
gers' Bills in the Department of his Majesty's Treasury.
5,6951. to meet the contingent expenses and Messen-
gers' Bills in the office of his Majesty's Secretary of State
for the Home Department.
39,0001. to meet the contingent expenses and Messen-
gers' Bills in the office of his Majesty's Secretary of State
for the Foreign Department.
7,1001. to meet the contingent expenses and Messen-
gers' Bills in the office of his Majesty's Secretary of State
for the Colonies.
2,233/. to meet the contingent expenses and Messen-
gers' Fees in the office of the Privy Council and the De-
partment of the Privy Council for Trade.
3,7001. to meet the contingent expenses and Messen-
gers' Bills in hig Majesty's Treasury and the Court of
Exchequer.
Mr SPRING RICE then moved that a sum not ex-
ceeding 2,0061. be granted to his Majesty to pay salaries to
Professors in the two Universities of Oxford and Cam-
bridge.
Mr. ROEBUCK protested most strenuously against pay-
ing the funds of the nation to what was called the two
national universities, although they excluded two-thirds of
the nation from all participation in the benefits which they
dispensed.
Mr. SPRING RICE would be as happy as any man to
co-operate in taking means to relieve dissenters from the
disabilities under which they at present laboured, but he
should be sorry if the existence of those disabilities were
made a ground for refusing this grant. He believed that
the fact of this grant being made by the nation would be
one of the strongest arguments in favour of a repeal of the
grievances under which the Dissenters laboured in entering
the universities..
Mr. ROEBUCK should like to see the universities
opened first, and then he would be willing to grant money
to them ; but as long as the people were excluded, it was
bad to vote the money of the people to the support of the
universities. He would not divide the house on the sub-
ject at present, but if such a grant were proposed on any
future occasion, he would certainly do so.
31r. G. F. YOUNG was understood to give his sup-
port to the grant.
Mr. EWART said, that if the universities of Oxford and
Cambridge refused to admit dissenters, the funds ought to
be taken from them and given to the University of London or
some other seminary where persons of every denomination
;fere admitted.
Colonel EVANS asked the noble lord opposite if it were
the intention of Government to grant a charter to the
L;..adon University ?
L0i.71 ALTHORP was understood to say that he could
not answ,;.« the question, as it must, in a great measure,
depend on a vCte of the house itself.
12,3001. was thee granted to pay the salaries of the corn-
inissioners of the Insolvent Debtors' Court.
On the motion that 1,568/. be granted to pay the salaries
officers in the OW for the registration of aliens,
Mr, ROEBUCK objected to the vote. He thought
that the office should be entirely dons away with, for he
could see no advantage of which it was to the country.
Now that we were in a state of peace with the whole world,
:el ..re could be no reason why they should not be as free to
_enter and travel through this country as they were in
;America., where a foreigner could travel from one end of
the coi4.try to another, without interruption, His feeling
upon this itibjeet was so strong, that he was determined to
divide the house upon it.
Colonel E VANS was glad to hear that his hon. friend
was determined to divide the house on this question. Pass-
ports and restrictions were a part of the system of the Holy
Alliance, and they ought to be done away with.
Mr. SPRING RICE defended the vote,
Mr. WARBURTON said, that if any gentleman would
move for a select committee to inquire into the purposes
for which the alien office was appointed, it would be found
to have proved entirely useless.
Mr. ROEBUCK would divide the house on the grant,
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no divi-
sion took place.—Vote agreed to.
Mr. S. RICE moved that a sum not exceeding 15,563/.
be granted to defray the charge of the Penitentiary of
Millbank.
Mr. ROEBUCK objected to the grant. 31illbank had
proved to be rather a prison than a penitentiary.
Lord HOWICK made an observation or two, which
were inaudible in the gallery.
Sir T. FREMANTLE defended the establishment. It
had been productive of great benefit to many of its in-
mates. More than one-third, and sometimes as many as
one-half of those admitted into it, were, by the excellence
' of its rfiscipline, reformed characters before leaving it.
J' This could not be said of other prisons in any part of the
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twentieth of that number weraxeformed by the disciplio?
practised in any one of the prisonin,
After a few words fir,ornlr. Roebuck, Lord Howick,
Mr. Hawes, and Mr. RthMh, the vote was agreed to.
5801. were then voted to make good flip deficiency in the
office of the registration of the names of ettlonial slaves.
4,3661. were voted to defray the expense of the State
Paper-office, the Record-office of the Tower, and of the
Chapter house, Westminster.
The sum of 8001. was granted to the commissioners ap-
pointed to inquire into the state of the courts of law.
Mr. SPRING RICE moved that the sum of 16,8001.
be granted to meet the salaries and incidental expenses of
the commissioners appointed to correspond with other
powers, with a view to the putting an end to the traffic
in slaves.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG expressed a hope that the com-
missioners would be more energetic in their endeavours to
put an end to the abominable traffic in question. Hitherto
their labours had been productive of no beneficial result.

he vote was then agreed to.
The next vote moved for was the sum of 95,486/. for
the expenses of the consular department.
-Mr. HUTT considered this vote monstrously extrava-
gant, and that many of the items were wholly superfluous.
• He therefore moved as an amendment, that the vote should
,be reduced by 12,8001.
Major BEAUCLERK seconded the amendment.
I Mr. GROTE supported the amendment, looking upon
:ithe amount asked for as most exorbitant. The hon. mem-
er also strongly commented upon the monstrous discre-
pancy in the amounts of salaries, for it appeared that those
:consuls who did least were paid most. Our consuls in
America, who probably had twice as much to do as other
'consuls, were not paid half the amount received by other
;consuls, who did little or nothing. For instance, the con-
at New York, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and several
:other places where the amount of business was very ardu-
ous, were only paid 500/. a year; while the consul at
`Lima, where there was next to nothing to do, received
2,000/. a year for himself, and 700/. for an assistant consul.
Our consul at Lisbon had but 600/. a year, at Genoa but
400/. ; at Havre the consul was equally ill paid, while at
other places in Europe there were consuls at treble the
salaries, whose posts were mere sinecures. As it appeared,
however, that for the lesser sums Government was able to
procure the services of efficient consuls, he (Mr. Grote)
saw no reason why any larger sums should be paid.
Mr. ROEBUCK complained of the total absence of any
principle that there appeared to be by which the amounts
lof the salaries given to consuls were regulated. He con-
trasted the expenses of our consulate department at Egypt,
with that at the United States, and contended that they
were out of all proportion. He referred also to Hamburg
and Amsterdam, and asked why the expenses should be so
much greater at the former than at the latter place, the dif-
ference not being capable of justification by a reference to
our commercial relations. The existing arrangements were
full of such inconsistencies, and appeared to him to be quite
ridiculous. _ . .

Colonel EVANS was also of opinion that the salaries to
consuls ought to be regulated to a certain extent by the
amount of the commerce. Our commerce with Spain was
not in a very flourishing state, and yet there was a long list
of appointments for that country. The expenses for the
Levant amounted to not less than 10,000/. ' • for Greece
they were 2,000/. ; they were above 2,0001. for Egypt ;
for Syria the sum was about the same ; and for Constanti-
nople it was still more.
11r. S. RICE said that the hon. member for the city of
London (Mr. Grote) had referred to the difference that
was to be found in the amounts paid to our consuls, and
had particularly referred to Alexandria ; but he (Mr. S.
Rice) was quite sure that any attempt to reduce these al-
lowances to a fixed scale would fail. There were some
special circumstances connected with Egypt, to which he
begged to call the attention of the house. As regarded
Alexandria, we had no minister, no diplomatic agent there
of any kind, and it consequently devolved on the consul
to act in the capacity of diplomatic agent, in addition
to the discharge of his ordinary duties. To estimate the
labour of the consul, then, by comparing the trade of Alex-
andria and this country with our trade with any other port,
was to take a very erroneous view of the matter. He
contended that we must adapt our establishments in other
countries to the nature of our connexion with those coun-
tries. In investigating the anomalies complained of, it
would be found that there were Other anomalies which
were•a sufficient explanation of them. If we sent persons
to distant countries, must we not pay them according. to
any peculiarity in the connexion, according to the badness
of the climate, or according to the rate of living? At
Hamburg we had no diplomatic representative, which
would account for the difference observed in the amount of
pay to Our consul there, as compared with the amount paid
to our consul at Amsterdam. _ . .

Mr. G. YOUNG was glad to see the right hon. the
First Lord of the Admiralty (Sir J. Graham) taking his
seat, because he (Mr. Young) wished to call the attention
of the government, of which the right hon. gentleman was
a member, to the fact, that in 1830, the right hon. gen-
tleman, in a motion which he then made, did attempt to
lay down some general principle, to the effect that the
salaries of British consuls should not exceed the sum of
1,0001. a year, except in the cases of such as were sent to
South America, in favour of whom a difference was to be
made in consideration of the greater cost of living in that
country. The explanation given by the right hon. gentle-
man who spoke last, would not be found satisfactory. In
Constantinople we had an ambassador ; yet we had there
a consul in the receipt of 1,6001. a year, and a vice-consul
to whom was allowed 7001. a year. In his opinion the
whole matter ought to be referred to a committee.
Mr. EWART said, that the salaries to the consuls
ought to have proportion to the amount of British shipping
frequenting the port. He approved of the suggestion of
the hon. member to appoint a committee, and would sup-
port a motion to that effect if one were made.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY supported the amendment.
Lord PALMERSTON begged to remind the house,
that since he came into office he had reduced the expenses
of this branch of the public service by the sum of 29,0001.
which was very near one-third of the whole amount. He
thought that this fact would be taken to be satisfactory
evidence of his disposition to make every possible reduc-
tion. He had reduced the pay of all the Consuls-General,
excepting only those whom he considered to have a claim
on account of the political duties that from their peculiar
situation they were called on to perform. The salary of
every consul he had caused to be reduced ; indeed, he did
not think that there was one appointment connected with
the consulate department in the salary of which he had not
made some reduction or other. The consequence was, that
from each of these individuals he received a letter, con-
taining very urgent remonstrances and representations, de-
claring that if their incomes were reduced, they would be
unable to live in the style which was becoming their of-
ficial stations. He had a circular answer to these commu-
nications prepared, wherein, after expressing his extreme
regret on account of the inconveniences the new ar-
rangement would create, he asserted the impossibility of
its undergoing any revision. Thus this reduction was ef-
fected ; and amounting, as he had said it did, to one-third,
he thought it no inconsiderable reduction to be made at
one blow. It had been recommended that the salaries
should be regulated by an uniform principle, and it had
been remarked that they ought to tally with the amount of
British tonnage entering the port. Now, the amount of
the tonnage would be a very inadequate measure of the
labour of the consul, even with respect to the ships that
I entered. Some allowance must be made for the port
duties. Then, the consul must take care that Bri-
tish subjects suffered no injury from the misapplication of
the law ; he had to listen to the complaints of British sub-
jects, and afford them redress, or obtain it for them. With
respect to the South American States in particular, which
were new states forming their new political relations, at-
tention to commerce did not include all the heavy functions
that the consuls had to perform ; there derolved on them
other laborious duties, amongst which he might mention
the transmitting to his (Lord Palmerston's) office details
connected with the inquiries of committees of that house,
also numerous statistical returns—returns relating to com-
merce, grain, and the precious metals. There was, be-
sides, to be considered the expense of collecting the details
which were required. In many of these places, then, the con-
suls were not to be viewed as commercial agents only • they
were also political agents, and that would account for the
large salaries given to the consuls-general, as well as to
many of the consuls. When he examined this branch of
the service with a view to reduction, he looked very nar-

rowly into all the cases, and endeavOured to apportion the
salaries according to the expenses that roust be incurred
for hospitality and on other accounts, and giving due con-
sideration also to the duties of a political description that
the party would be called on to discharge. He should not
omit to state that the emoluments of consuls depended in
part on fees. The house ought to look, therefore, not
only at the salary, but also to the amount of fees re-
ceived on an average of years.—(Hear, hear.) Re-
ference had been made to a motion formerly introduced
by his right hon. friend ( Sir J. Graham) and it was in-
tended to press on the Government that it was bound by
the terms of that motion, which was to reduce the salaries
of consuls to 1,000/. a year ; but the fact was, that there
were now only three cases in Europe in which the pay was
above 1,000/. Hamburg exhibited one of these excepted
cases ; our representative there, however, though desig-
nated under the modest title of Consul-General, was in
effect our minister, and had to support all the expenses
that were known to be the necessary consequence of indi-
viduals occupying such important official stations. The
noble lord next defended, the high salary given to the con-
sul at Alexandria, which= was less, he said, than the salary
that was given to Mr. Salt, who held the office before its
present possessor. Any further reduction would render
the pay inadequate to the expenses of the situation. As
regarded South America, hon. members should always
keep in view that the value of money was less in a coun-
try where the precious metals were produced, and that in
consequence our consuls residing there should be propor-
tionately provided for. To persons sent out from Europe,
and who had been accustomed to live in European style,
European articles were necessary ; and in those remote re-
gions such articles were of course expensive. Taking
these matters into consideration, hon. members must come
to the conclusion that the salaries in South America, so
far from being inordinate, were infinitely lower than the
other. Still on every occasion where vacancies occurred,
and circumstances permitted it, it was desirable that ail

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economical system should be pursued ; but be contended I
that tonnage would not form a scale by which to estimate
n the amqunt of sal 'e is. Circuinktances so varied with re-
gard to The several Nulates, thbk no rule-of-three mode
of calculation could e applied' to them, and to regulate
them by the tonnage would confine them to too strict and
imperfect a standard.
Mr. PEASE contended that reduction of salaries could
be best effected in those places where there was most ship-
ping, inasmuch as in such places the fees and other inci-
dental emoluments amounted to a greater sum, to say no-
thing of the advantages which such situations held out to
commercial men. Whatever was attempted to be done,
one great object to be kept in view was the fitness of the
person for the appointment, so as that he may be a means of
extending the character and the influence of the country
which sent him out. i
Mr. CLAY observed, that though the speech of the
noble lord went to prove that no general rule could apply
in these cases, it at the same time failed to justify the ano-
malies which had been pointed out as existing in the pre-
sent practice. He (Mr. Clay) would mention one in par-
ticular.
In some places the consul had a vice-consul ; in
others there was no vice-consul, as, for instance, at Lisbon.
But without going into these matters, it appeared even by
the speech of the noble lord himself that there was a ne-
cessity for submitting these matters to a committee up
stairs, and that alone would form a ground why the house
should not agree to this vote until further information on
the subject was afforded.
Mr. HUTT had, at an early period of the session, pro-
posed a committee to inquire into the consular establish-
ments. The anomalies which existed in them had been
fully made out. Though strongly prompted to it by his
inclinations, he should not follow the noble lord through
his observations on the comparative value of metals in this
and in other countries, but he was sure the speech of the
noble lord had failed of convincing the house. The ano-
malies in the system were undeniable, and it presented in
its very front an aspect of Toryism anisinecurism.
Lord PALMERSTON did not pretend to understand
what the hon. member meant by Toryism, but he did
understand what was meant by sinecurism, and he there-
fore felt it his duty to assert that the consulate office was
no sinecure. They had heavy and responsible duties to
perform, and they executed them sedulously, laboriously,
and constantly. They were always on the spot to attend
to these duties, or if unavoidably absent, they had always
persons engaged to fill their places, and in addition to this,
when absent their salaries were cut off. It was not fair,
thus loosely and inconsiderately to throw out unfounded
• charges against deserving individuals, nor could he (Lord
Palmerston) sit silently by whilst worthy
.and meritorious
public servants were stigmatized as sinecurists.
To a question from Colonel EVANS,
Lord PALMERSTON replied, that it was the duty of
the vice-consul to go on board ships, and do other extra-
ordinary duties.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the question that 5,7091. be granted for defraying
the expenses of the inspectors and superintendents of
factories. . . .. .

Mr.— BROTHERTON said, that, notwithstanding the
act of Parliament, the children were still worked for
twelve hours, Good Frilay not excepted.
Mr. SPRING RICE replied that it would be hazard-
ous to bring the bill into full and immediate operation. It
would be far preferable to feel the way, and proceed by
degrees to adopt the recommendation of the committee.
No scale could be laid down by which to regulate the al-
lowances for travelling expenses in these cases, and it was,
therefore, far better, instead of deducting them out of any
particular fund, to bring them under the consideration of
the house by an annual vote, and thereby have an oppor-
tunity of ascertaining that the duty had been performed.

Vote agreed to. -
The following Estimates then passed without opposi,
tion

58,8581. for Retired Allowances to Public Officers.
1,8231. to defray the expenses of the Vaccine Establish.
ment. _ .

3,000 1. in support of the Refuge for the Destitute.
3,1371. ss. 2d. for confining and detaining Criminal
Lunatics.

4,9901. to defray the usual allowance to all Protestant
Dissenting Ministers and French Refugee Ministers and
Laity.
On the question that 37,6001., be granted for Foreign
and Secret Service,

Colonel EVANS wished to postpone the question, as
there was no house; but after a few words from Mr.
SPRING RICE, the vote was agreed to.
Lord ALTHORP said he was anxious to bring on the
House Tax Repeal Bill, but he trusted the hon. member
would allow him to take his own time.

The resolution was then agreed to.
The sum of 56,0001. was then granted to defray the ex-
pense of printing Acts of Parliament, Bills, and Parlia-
mentary Papers.
A sum not exceeding 131,9181. was granted for defray-
ing expenses of binding and stationery for the public de-
partments in England, Scotland, and the Colonies.
A sum not exceeding 10,0001. was granted to defray the
expenses of the Mint and Coinage of Gold.
A sum not exceeding 8,0001. was granted to defray the
expenses of prosecution of offences against the laws re-
lating to coin.
The committee then granted a sum not exceeding
11,0001. to defray the expenses of law charges.
Also a suns not exceeding 73,6621. to defray the charges
and expenses of clothing convicts, &c., at home and abroad.
Mr. PEASE inquired whether the hulk system was to
be continued ?
. ' •

Mr: S. RICE said that it was unproductive, and was in
a course of reduction. .

Mr. PEASE thought no system could be worse.
After a few words from 3lr. G. F. YOUNG,
Lord HOWICK said the hulk system would be reduced
as speedily as possible. Many convicts were still in the
hulks, and the system could not, therefore, be at once abo-
lished. His Majesty's Ministers were influenced in this
respect, not merely by motives of economy.
The committee then voted the sum of 20,0001. to defray
the expenses for the support of captured negroes and libe-
rated Africans under the Acts for the Suppression of the
Slave Trade. _ _ _ .

Also a sum exceeding 130,000/. to defray the charges
of maintaining convicts at New South Wales and Van Die-
men's Land.
On the motion for granting a sum not exceeding 10,000/.
to defray the expenses incurred under the direction and ma-
nagement of the Commissioners of Records in the year
ending 31st of March, 1835,
Mr. GROTE remarked on the plurality of offices held
by Sir Francis Palsgrave, who was not only one of the com-
missioners of records, but keeper of the Chapter House,
and one of the municipal commissioners.
Mr. SPRING RICE observed, that the situations were
compatible with each other, and that as the salary of one of
them merged in the others, the public gained by the ar-
rangement.
After some further conversation on the subject, in which
Mr. Young, Mr. Grote, Mr. S. Rice, &c., participated,
the vote was agreed to.
Grants were also agreed to of 2,500/. to pay the annual
compensation awarded to Sir Abraham Bradley King, late
King's Stationer in Ireland, for losses sustained by him by
reason of the revocation of his patent ; and of 5,000/. to
defray the expense of paying the fees due and payable to
the officers of Parliament on all bills for continuing or
amending any acts for making or maintaining, keeping in
repair, or improving turnpike roads.
Mr. SPRING RICE next moved a grant of 20,000/.
to enable his Majesty to issue money for the erection of
school-houses, in aid of private subscriptions for that pur-
pose, for the education of the children of the poorer classes
in England in the year ending March 31, 1835. (Hear. )
Colonel Beauclerk, Lord Morpeth, and several other
hon. members spoke in warm terms of the benefits likely to
result from such an application of the public money.
Mr. EWART suggested the establishment of Normal
schools.
Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY asked when the third re-
port of the Commissioners of National Education would be
presented ? In his opinion it would not be desirable to take
any step on the subject until that report should be before
the house.

Mr. SPRING RICE expressed his inability to answer
the question of the hon. member for Marylebone ; but
did not think that the report could interfere with general
legislation on the subject. He was glad to find so general
an approbation of the proposed grant. The principle on
which his Majesty's government had proceeded, with re-
spect to that of the last year, was to advance money only
when still larger sums were raised by private subscription.
The result was, that for the 20,0001. of public expenditure,
there had been an increased private expenditure of
48,1111., and_that no fewer than 30,366 children of the
poorer classes had been put in a course of education in
consequence. --( Hear. )
Mr. MURRAY was desirous that the benefits of the
grant should be extended to Scotland.
Mr. SPRING RICE observed, that that had not been
done in the last year, because the step was one more or less
of experiment. The subject now, however, had certainly
assumed a different character, for the experiment had been
tried, had been successful and hadreceived the approbation
of the house.
Mr. YOUNG also expressed his hope that the benefits
of the measure would be extended to Scotland.
Mr. GROTE thought that much more might be done
and ought to be done on the subject.
Mr. SPRING RICE observed, that it was not impro-
bable his noble friend might, before the end of the session,
authorise him to make a proposition for establishing Nor-
mal schools, as had been suggested by the hon. member for
Liverpool.
Mr. JOHNSTON urged the extension of the proposi-
tion to Scotland.
Lord ALTHORP observed that the grant of last year
had been confined to England, and not extended to Scot-
land, because England had no provision whatever on the
subject, while Scotland had. He had no difficulty, how-
ever, in stating, that at a future period he would call the
attention of the house to the question of the expediency of
extending this grant. (Hear.)
The motion was then agreed to.
Mr. SPRING RICE said that, at that late hour of the
night, he would not proceed ail further with his miseel-

laneous estimates, but would only propose a grant of
130,000/. for civil contingencies.
The grant was agreed to.
The house resumed, and the report was ordered to be re-
ceived to-morrow.

BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS BILL.
The report of the Bribery at Elections Bill having been
brought up, the bill was re-committed, and several amend-
ments were introduced. The report was then received,
and ordered to be taken into further consideration on Wed-
nesday next, and the bill, as amended, was ordered to be
printed.

HOUSE TAX REPEAL BILL.
On the motion of LORD JOHN RUSSELL the se-
cond reading of the House Tax Repeal Bill was postponed
to Wednesday.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
at a quarter past twelve o'clock this morning the house ad-
journed.

PRICES OF STOCKS THIS HAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
Bank Stock 214 13 New 5 per Cent -
3 per Cent. Red 89%9,4 India Stock
3 per Cent. Cons. 90%N% Ditto Bonds. 29 30 pm.
3L per Cent. 9714 South Sea Stock ...
Ditto Red 97%14 Old Annuities -
New 334 'per Cent 98%1 New Ditto ...--
3 per Cent. Ann. 1726 .... - 3 per Cent. Ann. 1751 -
4 per Cent. 1826 102% % Ex. Bills, £l,OOO 52 51 pm.
Bank Long Ann. to expire Ditto .... .. WO 52 51 pm.
Jan. 5, 1860 l7 Ditto Small
Oct.lo, 1859 Ditto Commercial pm.
Jan. 5, 1860 l7 3-16 Ditto Advertised - pm.
Jan, 5, 1880 - Bank for Account -
Aprils, 1880 - India for Account ... ...... -
Jan. 5, 1870 - Cons. for Account

PRICES OP FOREIGN FUNDS THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
Austrian Bonds ..... lO2 i Per avian Bonds on%
Belgian Bonds fC 99 Ditto Account 214
Ditto Account 14 99 Portuguese Bonds 70% 1%
Brazilian Bonds 71% , Ditto Account 71%
Ditto Account ' 71% 1 Ditto New Bonds ...70% 1%
Buenos Ayres Bonds 25% I Ditto Acc0nnt......70% 14 N
Ditto Account 26 IPrussian Bonds IO3 3
Chilian Bonds ..-.... ......... 4 I Ditto Bonds, 1822 lOl
Ditto Account 26 t Russian- Bonds, 1822 104%
Columbian Bonds .
Ditto Account 23 i Ditto 111
Ditto Bonds, 1824 24 "'; !„„; panish Bonds, 18:11 '32% %
Ditto Account 25% f,', s Ditto Ace.
Danish Bon • 4' Ditto Bonds 1823
Ditto Acccutit 74 Ditto Account 3O
Greek 80nd5...-. — French Rentes, sp. c. —f —c.
Ditto Bonds, !825 - Exchange...... —f —c.
Ditto Account —3 per cent .—f —c.
Mexican Bonds, 5 per cent. 31 y„, - Exchange —f —c.
Ditto Account Dutch, .1 p. c. 50 49% 50
:tit. o, 6 per cent 39 , Ditto Account 5O
Ditto Account 19% i Ditto, sp. c. 95%
Neapolitan — Ditto Account 05% __

PRICES OF SHARES THIS DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK.
Paid. Pet Share
Alten Mining Company £9 11%
Anglo Mex. Min. t;o. Liss. at 51. pm ) £lllO 9)4
133 lacing Mining Company ..£l5O 132% 130
Brazilian Mining Company ZS 15
Brazilian Imp. Min. Co. (iss. at 51. pm.) £2O 59V,
Ditto Macaubas Cocaes lB%
Ditto St. John Del Rey
•
Cata Branca Mining Company ......
311.‘
British Iron Mining coirmanv £so
Columbit n Minim, Co. (iss. at 5/. pm.) 52g 1014
English Mii.lng Company ....... ......
general Mining Association l2
Hibernian Mining Co. £lo
Mexican Mining Co £4B
deal del Monte Mining C 0.... (unreg.)
mted Mex. Min. Co. (iss. at 21. pm.) 40
Ditto New Set ip 5
klliance Fire Insurance Comp 0
Protector Insurance Comp.
Australian Co.
Canada Company
General Steam Navigation Co. l3
National Provincial Bank of England 15
Rio Doce
-revincial Bank of Ireland 25

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0 Brazil
O Buenos A y re. 0 0 Jamaica. 1
O Carthagena 0 0 Leeward Islands ... 1
1 Dublin 0 0 Lisbon 0
O Flanders 0 0 Malta 0
1 France 0 0 Sweden
O 4uernse &Jersey.. 0 1 Waterford' 0

HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO MORROW,
Morning 47 minutes after 6 Evening...lBminutes after 7,

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LONDON,
TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL 15, 1834.

Letters from Paris, dated yesterday, contain
an official copy of a telegraphic despatch re-
ceived by the French Government on Sunday

morning, from Lyons.
TELEGRAPHIC DESPATCH.
" LYONS, APRIL 12, ELEVEN AT NIGHT.
" To the Minister of the Interior.
" Lyons is free : the suburbs occupied by the insur-
gents are in our power. The communications are
every where re-established.
" The mails have gone off as usual. The anarchists
are in the greatest disorder.
" Certified true by the Administrator of the Tele-
graphic Lines.

(Signed) " FOY.
" Certified true by the Secretary-General of the
Ministry of the Interior.
( Signed) "EDMUND BLANC."
Paris was tranquil on Sunday. M. TRIERS
had, it was said, left town for Lyons.

Our city correspondent states that a tele-
graphic despatch has been received that
disturbances have taken place at Paris ;
the troops and national guards were call-
ed out ; attempts were made to erect barri-
cades, but at length tranquillity was restored•
That some attempts would be made to excite
disturbances at Paris is no more than was to be
expected.

TELEGRAPHIC DESPATCH.
Paris, Monday Morning, 6 o'clock.
Some: barricades were attempted to be
erected here yesterday evening, but they were
carried. Some Tirailleurs only remain this
morning, which are insignificant.
Half-past 1 o'clock in the morning.
All is terminated—the factious are all in our
power. . _ .

Calais, half-past 4 o'clock, p.m., April 14.
This afternoon we have again received a tele-
graphic despatch from Paris ; the following is a
copy :
Several barricades were attempted to be made
in Paris last evening, but were all put down this
morning. The few fighters were insignificant.
The National Guard and the troops of the

line acted in unison.
Half-past seven this morning.
All is finished; the factious are in our power.

Lord DENMAN took his seat in the House
of Lords last night. The Duke of WELLING-
TON presented petitions for the protection of
the Established Church and the Agriculturists.
The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented a petition
from the presbyteries of Stirling and Lorn, and
expressed his hope that the General Assembly
which meets in May would so arrange matters
as to give confidence to the people of Scotland.
Earl GREY presented a petition for the Repeal
of the Union, but did not agree in its prayer, as
he considered that such a measure would be the
ruin of both countries. The Noble Earl also
presented petitions for the abolition of church
patronage in Scotland, and from numerous bo-
dies of Dissenters for relief.
In the House of Commons, Mr. O'CoN-
NELL gave notice of a motion for Friday, on
the subject of the Dorchester Unionists, who
have been transported. The Cambridge Peti-
tion was ordered to lie on the table, and the
St. Pancras Bill was thrown out by a majority of
six against the second reading. Mr. S. RICE
brought forward the miscellaneous estimates,
and observed, that comparing the estimates of
this year with those of last year, the saving
effected was 234,0001. ; comparing them with

the estimates of 1832, the saving was 726,0001.;
and comparing them with the estimates of
1831, the saving was 1,322,0001. The first
resolution was for 22,500/. for the Revising
Barristers. The next was fora very praiseworthy
object-11,0001. for the purchase of two pic-
tures (Correggios), the public having given
pictures for the proposed gallery to the value of
65,0001. Sir R. PEEL approved the grant.-
8,0001. was granted towards the new buildings
at the British Museum, and several other sums for
the Professors of the Universities, &c. &c.
4,990/. was voted for the usual allowances to
poor Dissenting ministers in England, French
Refugees, &c. The grants in which there
seems the greatest hope of saving in future
years (and the sooner the better), were for
printing the votes of the House Reports, and
Acts of Parliament, 56,0001. and 131,9181.
stationery, binding, &c.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL proposed the re-
committal of the Bribery Bill, which was
carried ; and the second reading of the House
Tax Bill was ordered for Wednesday.

The unanimous opinion of the House last
night on the vote of 20,0001. for erecting
schools in England, and the general feeling in
favour of establishing Normal schools through-
out the country, must be gratifying to every
friend of the poor ; for it may be said with per-
fect truth, that there is no possible way in ,
which the Legislature could confer such bene-
fits on the lower classes as by extending the
means of cheap education. Relief by poor
rates, grants for carrying on public works,
or for facilitating emigration, are of a temporary
or partial nature ; but a legislative enactment,
by which education may be obtained by the
children of the poorest peasant, would confer a
lasting and general benefit on all. The landed
proprietors themselves would, in a short time,
find that the expense incurred in teach-
ing the poor would be trebly repaid by
the reduction of the poor rates. By in-
stilling into the mind of youth principles
of morality, as well as in affording them lite-
rary instruction, their character'would be raised
in their own estimation, and they would be de-
terred from forming improvident marriages,
which, more than any other cause, contribute
to their present wretched condition, and force
them to remain slaves of the soil, or engage in
unlawful pursuits. Indeed we can conceive no
system of poor laws effectual which does
not provide for the education of the poor. Work-

houses, and central boards, and branch boards,
with all the rest of the machinery proposed by
the Poor Law Commissioners, may palliate but
never can eradicate the evil. We earnestly call
the attention of the Government to the subject,
and confidently hope that it will not be for-
gotten by Lord ALTHORP when he introduces
the question of the poor laws on Thursday.
Indeed, we are not aware of any measure
which could be so beneficial which could
meet with such general approbation
or confer such popularity on the Government.
The LORD CHANCELLOR has done much to
encourage general education, but his work is
but half done, and if he were to stop short,
with the means now in his power, and neglect
the opportunity of introducing a general system
of national schools, he would leave a sad stain
on his bright name. There could be no difficulty
in providing the means. If Scotlandand Switzer-
land, two. of the poorest countries in Europe, can
provide for the instruction of the lower classes,
what excuse is there for England, the richest
country in the world, being so far behind them ?
We formerly adverted to the sums that might
be raised from funds left for purposes of educa-
tion, and to the surplus that would remain
after the incomes of. the Bishops and higher
clergy were pared down to a moderate
size. These sums would not -be suffi-
cient, but the deficiency might be easily
made up either by a general tax on property,
or an annual grant from Parliament. It would
be easy to show (and we shall do so on a future
occasion) that the sum required would be so
moderate, that no rational objection could be
raised to it.

Lord ALTHORP'S plan for a commutation
of tithes will be brought on this evening, unless
members who have the precedence should claim
their right to have the motions of which they
have given notice previously discussed, and the
time and attention of the House should, in con-
sequence, be taken up so as to render it impos-
sible to bring it on. We trust they will give
way, as the whole country is interested in this
question, and most anxious to know what the
noble lord's plan really is.

A Cabinet Council was held to-day at hal
past one, which is now sitting.

The additional accounts from Lisbon, which
rt
ok;iveeninn n e
c,,e peal,
ona
f are
place,
e ,Enao tf rn persons, e
opinion
of
Douro the
we have given at great length, are extremely
satisfactory. At Viana 250 of the militia have
joined thefe armyl ngoi uf therlhia o
spQp
province,
well
th informedstatea that the
t
oile whatof the
de Minho is, by this time, in possession of the
Queen's troops.
We have always thought that Great Britain
was bound to support the rightful Sovereign of
Portugal, to which it is connected by ancient
treaty as well as by interest ; and sure we are
that the Government could not do any thing
which the country would more approve than to
afford such aid to Donna MARIA as would, at
this moment, when the Spanish army is about
to chastise MIGUEL'S insolence in harbouring
Don CARLOS, enable the Regency to restore
peace to Portugal, and, at the same time,
to rid Spain of the disturber of her tran-
quillity. It is, probably, the fear that
-the House of Commons might grudge the
expense, which has hitherto prevented such a
step. The House of Commons is, it is true,
watchful of the public money, and so it ought
to be, but the whole. country would be glad to
have the affairs of Spain and Portugal set at

rest, and they would feel it to be true economy
to assist our old and faithful ally at a time when
such assistance would enable her to secure the
tranquillity, and consequent improvement, of the
country. Both MIGUEL and CARLOS would
soon take their departure if proof were afforded
that the allies of Donna MARIA were re-
solved to afford her their hearty and effective
assistance at the moment when it would be
indeed of the utmost value.

The Brussels papers of the 12th wave The
received. They contain but little ne.
greatest tranquillity prevails in that city and at
Liege. On the 11th the electors of Brussels
chose Count CORNET DE GREY to be member
of the chamber of representatives, in the room
of M. BASSE. On the sth April M. Du
DURAND, editor of the Journal de Frankfort,
wrote as follows :
" Something is now passing in Belgium of sufficient
importance to merit the attention of Europe.
" The republic, driven from Paris by the ores
secutions of the press, and by the severe mess
u
that are going to be adopted against the association,
removes its residence to Brussels. There no prosest cu
-
tion has been instituted against the press, no reric
tion has been imposed on the right of association for
political objects. Belgium is the true Elderado 0'
republicans.
" Till we shall see what time produces, and for
which we shall not have to wait long, let our readers
remember that we here venture to write first. The
republic at Brussels is still more menacing for the re"
pose of Europe than the republic at Paris. -

They write from Vienna, 4th April, as follows
6, We hear no more of the visit of the Emperor t°
his Italian provinces. He will pass the summer, "!
usual, at Schonbrun and Baden. This alteration t'
not on account of his health, which is now as gond
could be wished."—Franitfort Paper, 10th Apri,l• t.
VIENNA, APRIL 4.-5 per Cent. 97i ; 4 per 'den 't
88i; Bank Shares, 1,2471-.—Ailgemeine Zeittiq'
9th April.

We are very glad to find that the remarks we
felt it our duty to make respecting the proposed
meeting•of Dissenting delegates, have met with
the approval of some of the most respectable
Dissenters both in town and country. The •
following letter has been addressed to us by a
very intelligent and influential Dissenter, resid-
ing in one of the great manufacturing towns of
the north of England. We have reason to be-
lieve that his opinions agree entirely with those
of the most enlightened Dissenters in London,
both lay and clerical, and we hope, therefore:
that the meeting will, at least, be deferred
until it is seen what the plan of 104
ALTHORP, relative to church rates, really
is. A great number of Dissenters will be
London during the coming month, at the
anniversaries of their great institutions, and ld
will be easy to call a meeting towards the en
of the month of May, if such a step should
be
deemed advisable, although our firm persuasion
is, that the Government will do much more for
sus
their friends than for those who doubt and .;
pect them. Whenever a meeting is held, if
is intended to represent the Dissenters, it null
not be that of one or two denominations, but '3,"
all ;—it must not be a close assembly of rich
men, but a delegation from all the various dene's
minations, and their proceedings must be a
other public meetings are. The doors of Par
owphe:hanadffeferteemfiollriosnusgogf men be
and discussion
liament are not closed ; why should concerns
cussed, and settled committees,
by small
places to which the great body of Dissenters
can have no access ? arrang
anded di
ia
r.

on Sthiße'TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.
London, as recorded in The Sun of yesterday, 31,1 /
they are so exactly in unison with my own, thaf,or
—I
subject a
os of ma uch
meetingpleasoefd dissentingw ith yourd
esieengtai nit:snit:lg
cannot allow a post to depart without thanking' Y°'l.4
your judicious and seasonable remarks upon a subray
of great importance, and I sincerely wish they they
have the serious consideration of those to whom

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consequence,
on
been bred a thorough going drnsbsceuntttaeosr,sltuohPhaPiseeenbtec
of the originators, and one of the most liberal ,8 1,
king-
stant supporters f one of the best chapels in t f the
dom, and am regarded as one of the most active"tion,
members of its large and respectable conga I
that opinion may not be altogether worthiegs'
am perfectly sure that it is far from being a sif aeY
one. Indeed, Sir, I am very much mistake° „,".0 jo
one of the dissenting congregations in the t°"ciele.;
which I reside, would sanction the sending °' 301 0'
gate, though they are all anxious for the rer°°'d
disabilities and grievances, as they have oi'ircej be-
their memorials and petitions. They w°tri,' ouglit
lieve, regard it as a dangerous precedent
to be carefully avoided.—l am, very respeetf°l
your grateful and obedient servant,
A DISSENTER, .0,
of the Independent denommati
April 12, 1834. Woe t°
P. S. It would be ostentatious to affix. 1111 n oar
this letter, but I hand you, at foot, my address ford
own satisfaction.
One of the greatest impediments to 3
°fed
proved cultivation of the soil will be 09: o,
when the tithes arc commuted for a -
ab°
redeemable by the land-owner, whilst the ae,
lition
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ensiotimproved
pocket of the farmer, which he will be able'•re of
ninoeadto
more labourers, or to the adequate tricine''le:::tere;
tion of those he usually employs. 1114, ti'c
case the peasantry will derive a benefit, vt
a to
greatest possible service will be rendcre
valuable class of Englishmen by such regul3teirisl,i
with respect to Ireland as shall induce tcb roort
labourers to remain at home, instead °I iticlia
ing in shoals to this country, and ulider;abotlr"
the English labourers in the market forf 1330:
To all these points the attention 0-a tlos
ment will be called immediately ;at:eros ccati;),
who really wish well to the far
the poor, will be careful not t°
cossioi,'s3
time unnecessarily in mere wordy aitso„ce
oc
on immaterial points, but proceed Ai4,l)orr
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