The Sun.
London, England, 1834-07-23 00:00:00

GERMAN PAPERS.

13a',."'NXFORT, JULY 15.—The two Queens, of England and
wooacrlita, met at Biberich this evening before yesterday, at nine
had been The arrival of the Queen of England at Biberich
kheidelayed by her stopping three hours at the Castle at
Patietrisetein, belonging to Prince Frederick of Prussia. The
trial, tie of the poor citizens of Frankfort was put to a severeven
o'cl"eY havingassemblcd in great numbers, so early as se
4ailctsktharobout the Hotel de Russie, where her Majesty was
a reeeted
' and continued till late at night to perambulate the
ugh which she would have to pass. The Queen
,11:411?t arrive here till ten minutes past two o'clock yesterday
t ruin In the course of yesterday the diplomatic body and
SheQenior Burgomasters paid their respects to her Majesty.
taerAvsee.rsaabvrisotihteeir.l by her relatives from Hesse Homburg. At
ty
11,u the afternoon she set out for Meiningen, accompanied
the Duke. The Queen's suite is pretty nu-
'her u; 40 beds were bespoke for them. We hear, that on
Ileiaoutri-n• her Majesty will stop nine days here, and visit the
Allng Courts.
Jewi `-"gsburg Gazette of th 17th inst. contains the.fold-
frornZ,of the 4th from Belgrade;— The accounts receive_
Niad`-onstantinople to-day state that a part of the English
laienjun was still lying in the Harbour of Vourla, with the
th" of remaining there some time ; contracts for The Nor, e ships for four months have been entered into.
tittill which are on board, amounting to 1,500 men, are almost
Pires aPtled, and exercised in manoeuvres. Nothing triihs-
bourhowenh respect to the English ships of war in the neig -
longer d uf the Dardanelles ; there appears, however, no.
athe„.anY anxiety at Constantinople concerning them. It is
the i,'"se as relates to the Egyptians, who have again given
Please°,rta many causes of dissatisfaction, and excited the dis-
°act] -e of the Sultan by their exactions in the provinces they
blailitaj; It hag been notified to Ibrahim Pacha that he should
he a -4 greater military discipline, and protect the inhabitants.
alachPlitears willing to follow these commands ; but however
d~srela, authority is respected in the field, in peace it is.quite
i e;rlted by the soldiery. The French officers in his army,
witsaes7, complain bitterly of the disorders which they daily
tiaUs p; They endeavour, therefore, to convince the ambi-
Ployet rahhn, that to make an end of this he must give ern-
to the ,ant to his army. There is no doubt but he lends an ear
Ale,:nedr.epresentations ; but the language of the powers in
tlv4 wiet_la prevents him from following them,
eireu "es. It is a question whether at last heaswiTnotasTield
hialsele Intances, and be oblied to risk a step to extricate
from
',my, and prevgent the entire dissolution of the
It •
'S confidently stated that Mehemed Ali wishes to reduce
tkesarlaY ; hut he is afraid of then being attacked by the Sul-
army, and punished-for his traitorous conduct. It is with
lit as `o t,
all Governments; fear makes him keep up a mi-
ary fore
tb4rulot e' the expenses- of which his exhausted treasury
suPPort ; and • as,, by the disorganised system of
are ate, the troops are without pay, the greatest irregularities
to3ztnitted
h ' which may have dangerous consequences. In
count, a same spirit, the same discontent continue. That
bsual'LnaTst be,deelared at Jest in • a state of war, for the
4iMents Of s hvravi failed to restore order. Three Turkish re-
osnia. These are going to reinforce the garrisons at
ketic measuresese re expected, and on their arrival more ener-
TI
.s_ will be resorted to.
riot
_II Uazette contains the following from Bosnia :--" Our
,o_mines still remain unworked • the iron mines alone are in
of. 7naeasure worked, but scarcely deliver a thousandth part
legitacir annual production. The other mines are quite neg-
e,
the ", as the Turks fancy the working of them would excite
the e' of their neighbours. There are gold mines in
N 4 IfinitY of Travnick. Silver mines are met with in many
Rer ; there are also quicksilver and lead mines. If they
laißtit to be worked with power and sufficient intelligence, it
kr-th. be of the most signal advantage at the present moment
whole Turkish empire.
Per P4A, JULY 19.—Five per Cent. Metallique!, 99 ;
.Four
Jitlyierit's., 90 ; Bank Shares, I,2s2.—Allgemeine Zettung,
7.

Pe harvest is in full activity in the environs of
te;,7, and is expected to be finished on Sunday. Somet of the
ro has already been brought to the Paris marke .
O Friday r
pans,
4°llo°..rehiPstead,-Surr.ey, was. visited by a most awful storm
kai,,,i"' south-west, during which a flash of lightning, accom-
hotls-' bY au appalling burst of thunder, shook the Plponage-
thktet,te its foundation. On examination it was discovered
tilittip," electric fluid had struck the corner of a stack of
Ytds-el's, displacing several bricks, and throwing them many
thtlireet. &a displacing the house. It had then pursued t.wo di t the r 1"s• In the one after passing a short chstancealong
e ii°ll, and tearing up, the tiles in its course, it descended
ttitls,,-" the house, -,ndstruck a maid-servant in the kitchen,
toe'videntially doing her no material injury.
.In the other
°o
sse,itran along the eaves of the house, rtially
oft melting
01l Cpteces of lead, and leaving the smell and. traceflee
sorhe Itnes of the windows, at the same time forcing off
Of, the mouldingsround them. The house was fo
Iteret4' 2eeonds r with smoke, and large sparks of fire
flfile: descending from the roof, but the torrents of rain
Were falling at the time providentially extinguished h
i bis
1114 RassSING SUlClDE.—Yesterday afternoon, an
,otie:t ~held before Mr. Higgs, at the Old Thatched
.ehs-, Qtr an, on the body of James Reekie, aged sixty, a
ItrCetable Ina
lAaker, residing at 409, Strand, who de-
it
tileddhirilself yesterday morning by taking. arsenic.. A son
itlt,,e -"eased, aged fourteen years, met with a serious acci-
-4411 Wednesda week in Hyde Park by falling off a tree,
ttivy°ttie ipts the pYark railings entered his back, and he was
, Nat, to St. George's Hospital, where. he lingered until
:ir'si ,: when death terminated his sufferings. On the dis
therl° ilelligence of the lad's death being conveyed to the.
fl",o4l(ll.'l,waose of
child he was, the deceased declared it
r,";sord,"%his death-b 1 He had been for some months past
"'d flit.he,'L in his mind owing to pecuniary difficulties, and on an
thes Flee-' prho owed him 801. lately surrendering himself to
-A41(1 6-eitison, the deceased appeared greatly moved, and
'e'ltnig-htt°llght if he was to shoot that man in the street, Goed
bae4ted 3' would fornive him. On Monday evening the d -
st tw,,was, °Ppressedb in spirits more than usual, and about half
hi, so ioi,°4el,oek on Tuesday morning his
..family were awoke
1, n, t Knocking on the floor and vomiting.
,On one of
hwt,fiellt.,2,lli.ne_etni,Laesri;gletbhlee.rt;odme
for
re
somedeceased
time, but at length he told
to
fisting his ,Ir. Morris (a surgeon)
.and tell that gentleman
le -a
st°nl h This being done a cup was found
tth room ac -pump. ,
erreder r„, , containing some arsenic, and the stomach-pump. and
fie-Tvies Wer without effect, as the deceased ex-
-14,,,ti.i the peo'gi!tt -yesterdayo:clocek morning.
.The deceased had
tiOg re -.cm In his possession for a considerable time past,
'' ge c'lved it with other things as a present from a Tie-
.l, Otlen,an
In the Navy. Verdict—TempOrary Insanity.
INa ,141 LTL, FLOGGING AT CHAR-
-10 s'lloss ' DREADFUL
o.4gjlig which the account of the dreadful case of military
ti,4l7,rig..eros:,
and last week at St. George's Barracks,
oethsorougho.., "l which has excited. such a degree of sensa-
NI , t„. be _ mt the country, there is one trivial mistake, which
NI; Which ;.°l'rected ; the name of the soldier is not Hender-
qiils in he stated by mistake, but Hutchinson: He still
p a ,
i,teer the
care military hospital, in Grosvenor- 1 ce Pimlico,
during the
trititillet We'_"..? of the surgeons, and his sufferings
hh e oil v,eatter have been dreadful. An application was
gt A 11,40,,.1
cli,_ werzaeYfuby some persons at the hospital to seeexheiempt,
kle the h_u used, as he cannot be seen by any one
ordttheh it
must' rs of two and four o'clock on Sunday aftem oolne,
order to 3h be by an order from the orderly room. .
Ilp4hin,o4°swiethe dreadful severity of the punishment winch
ti) drtl3 of . "erect, it appears that although he has now been
r)lti• sYs belt!' Week in the hospital, it will be at least nine. ora
ii fro ,is ore he is able to leave it. The average time _
0,,l
o.grenerally confined in an hospital after being flogged
*2!titt„ll,, to teh days, seldom longer. The punishment, we
oeitS'Forfteorotekenrearly half an hour in inflicting, and the
tilt,. of
the
Inercy.piano, according to the loudness. of his
The inhabitants in the nelghbour-
tli hea,d e barracks speak with horror of the screams
•IN't liutehinr°4l the unfortunate man. It has been stated
13
l'oteell ter b's a man of bad character, and that he
TN 4 rel. e (lore. From all inquiry we can make, he
of 3:dbe: aeoha.sd character; he is not what in a military sensemae
IN-Rraved b" 'e(?tl soldier, but he is not like many a
thot:t7o2edcoitli.o,44,tan_dr dreiseie)osiviitnigon or one who ought to have been
'p_h down 811,,eb a barbarous'rnanner. When Hutchinson was
the 300 lashes, the commanding
4114 e I=4 eel bowater, addressed the men, and told them
et of • metermine - • 1-
Insiti,,,,,,
ion, 0 putis any one who was guilty of
-,...ma—.llforn i-eij Pap en

LONDON,
WEDNESDAY EVENING, JULY 23, 1834

Our City Correspondent says that an American
vessel, having ten thousand stand of arms on board for
Don CARLOS, has been stopped in the River by order
of Government. This is not only prompt, but just.

We have reason to understand, that Government
has been equally prompt in taking effective measures
for checking the career of Don CARLOS in the North
of Spain. Steam, and other vessels of war, are in
motion, to act as circumstances may require. Don
CARLOS will find, in a very short time, that if he has
been too tardy in taking the field on the advice of his
Tory friends in this country on a former occasion,
he has been too hasty on the present.

The withdrawal of the Prisoners' Counsel Bill,

the first reading of which was moved in the House
of Lords last night, we should consider little to the
credit of the Peerage, but for the excellent observations
of the LORD CHANCELLOR, who stated that it was

the intention, as it is the duty of the Government, as
soon as the ,report of the Criminal Law Commission
is made known, to introduce a Bill, so comprehen-
sive, as to meet all the evils to which the Legislature
has the power of applying proper remedies. We quite
agree with his Lordship, that measures so important
ought not to be left to the advocacy of individuals,—
and if there be any one thing which has more than
another alienated the affections of the people from the
Peers, and estranged them from the Government,
it is the want of paternity, evinced in leaving all popu-
larly important legislation to individual whim, perso-
nal support, and interested advocacy. Another
thing was, that with a few ungracious exceptions, the
House of Lords appeared to consider itself exempt
from the trouble of preparing and originating public
Bills—content with rejecting, altering, or agreeing to
whatever was done by the Commons ; and, therefore,
there is great wisdom, sound judgment, arid much sa-
gacity in the proposal that a Bill for amending the
criminal code of the country be first laid upon the table
-of the Upper House. In all criminal cases the Peers
are the Supreme Judges of the land, and whether
justly or unjustly, the country has long regarded
them as the principal obstacles to improve-
ments in our penal code. Whether this impression,
which amounts to a conviction with thousands of the
most intelligent men in the middling ranks of life,
originates in a belief that Peers are prodigal of life,
because most crimes, being offences against the rights
of property, are indirectly levelled at themselves ; or
because the less account that is taken of life, the less
responsibility is acknowledged ; or because they them-
selves are exempt from the punishment provided by
their own
,sanguinary enactments ; or because they
look upon the preservation of their own dignities as
incompatible with human laws,—we will not take
upon us to affirm ; but certain we are that any course
adopted by the House of Peers to remove such a
conviction, will not fail to restore that branch of the
Legislature to the full confidence of every friend
of the British Constitution.

As the LORD CHANCELLOR has brought the sub-
ject before the public, we are desirous of impressing on
the Government the wisdom of adopting, to the fullest
possible extent, the plan which he has recommended,
of taking the public business as much as possible out
of the hands of private individuals in both Houses of
Parliament. There -is nothing more unworthy the
wisdom of the Legislature than the sanctioning a
system, under which every individual Member of
Parliament may load the table with Bills, for what-
ever purposes he may deem requisite, in utter igno-
rance of all previous enactments. In nine cases out of
ten, Bills brought in by private individuals are utterly
useless, because based upon an ignorance which the
Government only,p9ssesses the means of removing ;
and many of them are mere schemes for enriching one
portion of the community, or the constituency, at f

d
expence of another. A Member on being -.le
,
to Parliament, in the fulness of his g -
returne
;'°q4* pledges

English
Irish

Wheat
2,420 qrs

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himself to the performance of a thousand things, which
he afterwards finds he cannot perform ; and as he
fears being reproached for having quite forgotten
his constituents, he anticipates the evil by bring-
ing in some trumpery Bill to protect the Sabbath-
incense—the prayers of the righteous—from ascending
before the throne of God, commingled with the fumes
of open beer-shops. If the Bill is carried, so far
well ; the ladies at least will give him their counte-
nance : if lost, why the fault was not his ; he did all
he could do for the good of the country, and his con-
stituents could not expect impossibilities from him.
This, we assure the public, is no isolated instance ;
we have known many cases of this kind, and even
where before leave was given to bring in a Bill, there
was the fullest understanding that it would be cour-
teously withdrawn, on the first intimation from the
Treasury Bench to that effect. The flour-sack was
to be shook in the eyes of a constituency, and the
Ministry were so complaisant as to lead the honourable
representative of the people to the windward of the
multitude.

It is the duty of the Government, possessing, as it
does, the fullest information of the condition of the
people throughout the country, and established, as it
is, for their protection, to take upon itself the bringing
in of all Bills involving pi inciples and details of general
interest. The Members of the House of Commons
will have enough to do to watch the progress of such
measures, and to look to the trade and finances of the
country, and to see that Government neither falls short
of, nor exceeds the performance of its duty. Unless
something of this kind be done, to place the work of
legislation on a proper basis, we shall very shortly
have Parliament wholly taken up with repealing in one
Session the Acts passed in that which preceded it.
We sincerely trust the LORD CHANCELLOR will
devote thepowers of his vast and comprehensive mind to
the subject of reform in every branch of our laws, civil
and criminal. To his Lordship is the country deeply
indebted for many wholesome regulations with respect
to the proceedings in Chancery, and to him ,toes it
still look forward for the purification of our criminal
code, and the reforming of many abuses in our inferior
courts of judicature. His powers are ample, his abi-
lities enable him to cope successfully with all opposi-
tion, and nothing is wanted which the nation does not
believe him to possess--the will to uproot all legal
abuses.

It is impossible to furnish a clearer proof of the ne-
cessity of adopting some plan to regulate the mode of
conducting the business of the House of Commons,
than that found in the debate which took place yes-
terday, on the motion of Lord MORPETH, for allow-
ing the orders of the day to take precedence of notices

of motions, during the remainder of the present
session. The House cannot sit more than another
fortnight at the farthest ; and yet the order book is
loaded with notices of the intentions of Members
to bring
which in Bills, and move for Committees on
subjects
would occupy the time of the House
from the commencement to the close of a tolerably long
session. The Legislature ought not to suffer this farce
to be carried on any longer. Many of the Members who
are now making a splutter, which they know will end in
nothing, except that it will afford them an opportunity
of lauding themselves, and panegyrising some theory of
their own, might have carried the measures which they
are now pressing forward, had they, at the commence-
ment of the Session, given less time to clubs and co-
teries, and more to their duties in Parliament.
We quite agree with the able and indefatigable
Member for Greenock—Mr. ROBERT WALLACE—

that it would be very advisable to remove from the
Order-book all orders of the day which cannot come
on during the present session. On looking at the
votes and proceedings of the House, it must
strike every person, acquainted with Parlia-
pentary business, that there are several Bills whose
names appear in the order-book, which cannot be
brought forward this session, as the Imprisonment for
Debt Bill, and many others equally important. Now,
why keep their names on the book, when it is known
that they only encumber it ? Surely it can serve no
end, except to add to the complexity of the business
of the House.

The various schemes to amend the Poor Laws which
have been adopted in several districts in England and
Wales,—such as the putting some restraint on the
practice of out-door relief,—the attempts to check the
evils of bastardy, by refusing to receive the woman's
oath of affiliation before the birth of the child,_the
cottage system,—have had the effect of diminishing the
poor-rates, within the last year, at the rate of
four per cent. for the whole kingdom. This
saving is a matter of more importance, inasmuch
as it was effected on nearly the same principle
upon which the Poor Laws Amendment Bill is
founded. It is likewise worthy of notice, that, of the
diminished rate, one-sixteenth is spent in law expenses
about the right of settlement, and other causes of
litigation, which will be entirely removed by the Bill
now pending in the House of Lords.

The Paris papers of Monday state that there is no
truth in the report—to which we alluded yesterday—
of the passage of the Dardanelles by the combined
French and English squadrons. Don CARLOS and
the Junta were said to have left Elisondo and taken up
a position in the valley of Ulzama. The Pretender
had issued, on the 12th inst., a decree, granting a
general amnesty to all the partisans of the QUEEN.
We hear with pleasure that France and England per-
fectly understand each other with respect to the means
necessary to be adopted in order to counteract the in-
trigues of Don CARLOS in the North of Spain, and,
acting up to the spirit of the Quadripartite Treaty,
will, as soon as possible, adopt all the requisite
measures for restoring tranquillity.
Extracts from German papers, which are contained
in the French ones, mention that CHARLES X. had
bought the domain of Nachod, in Bohemia, for
2,500,000 florins. This estate was said.to comprise
more than 40,000 inhabitants, and to confer almost
absolute sovereignty on its proprietor. The ex-King
therefore may here renew his Three Days Ordonnances
on a small scale, with impunity.

FRENCH FUN DS.—PARIS' JULY 21.
Five per Cents., 106 f. 25e. 105 E 95c. 75c.
Three per Cents., 76f. loc. 75f. 90c. 75c.
Rente de Naples, 93f. 20c. 93f.
Roman Five per Cents., 95.
Rente (PL'spagne. Five per Cents., 31 30N,
Rente d'Es.pagne, Three per Cents., 41 39.
Royal Spanish Loan, 76 74.
Rente Perpet. d' Espagne, Five per Cents., 61 5931.
Belgian Loan, 9434.
EXCHANUE ON LONDON.
line month, paper, 25f. 30e. ; money, tssf. 9716 e.
Three months, paper, f...)51. 20c.; money, 25f. 17gle.
—(bbrs Alt Mtwara'.

THE MARKETS.-(THIS DAY.)

CORN EXCHANGE.
The arrivals of all deeeriptions of Grain are moderate ; and the
return of Flour fair. The Wheat trade this morning was very dull,
and did not support Monday's terms. Barley, Beans, Peas, and
Oats unvaried. Flour as last noted.

Flour.
420 sack'.

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY, JULY 23, 1834

THIS DAY, WEDNESDAY, JULY 23.

HO USE OF COMMONS.

Mr. C. GRANT was not prepared to say when the com-
mission would issue, but he was satisfied that his Right Hon.
Friend would do whatever he had pledged himself to, and that
as speedily as possible. He believed there was no gentleman
in the House had a greater abhorrence of the system of mili-
tary flogging than himself.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. RUTH VE N said this subject had justly excited the
public mind, and this case had gone to an extremity that re-
quired an immediate investigation, for he had heard, since he
came to the House, that the man was dead.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY said he had made inquiries this
morning, and found that he was not only alive but considerably
better.—( Hear.) He would be able to leave the barracks in
a week.

Mr. RUTH VElst said he had received his information from
a respectable person, but he was happy to hear it was
not true. The case was, however, a very bad one, and the whole

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,

The SPEAKER took the Chair at twenty minutes past twelve.
NEW MEMBER.

Mr. CADWALLADER WADDY took the oaths and
his seat for Wexford. The Hon. Member was introduced by
Mr. H. GRATTAN and Mr. RUTHVEN.
GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY.

Lord G. SOMERSET moved the third reading of the
Great Western Railway Bill. He did not anticipate any
opposition to the third reading, and therefore would not offer
any observations upon it.
After a short conversation the Bill was postponed, it being
considered that the petition presented on Monday upon the
subject of flogging in the Army, the discussion upon which
was adjourned, ought to have precedence.
MILITARY FLOGGING.
Mr. H. GRATTAN said that he was in possession of the
House. The Honourable Member proceeded to say that he
objected upon principle to military flogging, and he was
in the glorious minority upon this question when the Hon.
Secretary of War, Sir J. C. Hobhouse, supported the odious
practice, and he hoped the electors of Nottingham would not
forget to question the Right Hon. Baronet upon this subject.
He was strongly opposed to flogging, which was an odious
and disgusting practice, and whenever the subject was brought
before the House lie would vote for its abolition.
Sir M. W. RI DL E Y said that no time should be lost in cor-
recting a statement the most calumnious and false that ever
was circulated against the gallant officer who superintended
the punishment of this man. He would not condescend to no-
tice the foul and slanderous attack that had been made in one
of the lowest Sunday papers, upon the character of his gallant
relative, but he would content himself with simply laying be-
fore the House the facts of the case. In the first place the
sentence upon this individual in question was passed by a dis-
tinct Courtmartial, and not by a regimental Courtmar-
tial, and every Member who was connected with
the service, knew that it was not in the power
of the commanding-officer to correct or mitigate the sentence
of a district court-martial, except under particular circum-
stances, such as the presence of the surgeon, and his stating
that the individual was not capable of bearing further punish-
ment. The sentence upon the individual in question was,
that he should receive 300 lashes ; and this punishment was
ordered in consequence of his getting drunk when stationed as
sentinel over the canteen. The House must at once see
the danger of passing over such a crime in an individual
whose care it was to prevent drunkenness amongst others.
But this was not all ; the individual had also been guilty of
mutinous misconduct in having attempted to strike his ser-
geant. This individual had already been punished 40 times ;
he would not say that he had been subjected to the lash 40
times, but he had been tried that number of times for as many
different offences ; therefore the House must perceive that
there was good reason for a district courtmartial inflicting the
severest punishment upon an individual who had been before
so often tried and punished for military offences. He ( Sir M.
NV. Ridley) would pledge himself for the truth of his statements.
This individual had been tied to the halberts, and instead of
being the delicate creature he was represented, his strength
was such that it was with difficulty the triangle by which he
was held could be supported.—( Hear, hear.) Before even the
lash was applied he had nearly pulled it down. It was true that
he cried out for mercy, but it was not in the power of the com-
manding officer to mitigate. the punishment unless the
surgeon directed that such should be done. He re-
collected an instance in which an individual took upon
himself the responsibility of mitigating the sentence of
a district court-martial, and the consequence was that he
was severely reprimanded. In the present instance the sur-
geon was present. He would deny the statement that the
drummers were called forth to drown the cries of the prisoner
—it was the usual practice that the drummers should beat
during the infliction of punishment. He did not mean to up-
hold the present system of flogging in the army—he merely
rose to defend the character of a gallant officer which had been
most unjustly aspersed. It was said that several soldiers
fainted—that was not true—one or two soldiers and one
officer fell out of the ranks during the time that the
sentence was read, not, therefore, on account of the punishment,
but of their exposure to the sun. He stated these facts in
justice to a most excellent and humane officer, who had been
most unjustly acoused of tyranny and oppression. The gal-
lant Officer felt as much pain as any man could do at the in-
fliction of punishment, but he felt bound to see such punish-
ments carried into effect as a necessary part of his military
duty. He ( Sir M. W. Ridley) regretted exceedingly that
advantage should be taken of the privileges of the House to
tax the character of an individual with cruelty and inhumanity
merely because he had performed a necessary, however painful
duty. If any further inquiry was sought for, his gallant relative,
Colonel Bowater, would be ready to meet it. That gallant
officer had done nothing more than he was obliged to do ;
and however much inclined he might have been, it was not in
his power to mitigate the sentence ; his duty, and the only
duty he could perform, was to see that the sentence was car-
ried into execution.

Major BE AUCLE RK thought that the question was one
worthy of the consideration of the House. The very fact of
the commanding officer not being able to remit any portion of
the punishment was improper, and it was a principle which
should not be suffered to continue, He thought that the system
of flogging had tended much to degrade the character of the
British army. It appeared that the same improper system was
pursued in the Marine service, and that it had increased of late
years. The sooner it was put an end to in his opinion the
better.—( Hear, hear.)
Major FANCOURT thought that the system of flogging
did not rest so ranch with the Horse-guards authorities as
with the decision of that House. 'I h Hon. and Gallant
Member gave notice, that early next session he would bring
forward a motion for the abolition of flogging in the army.
Mr. WILKES said the statement of the Hon. Baronet
opposite, that the man in question had been punished in some
way or other forty times, was a proof that the system did not
answer the purposes for which it was intended.
Sir M. W. RIDLE Y explained that the man had com-
mitted offences forty times, but he could not say how often he
had been under the lash.
Mr. WILKES resumed—he trusted that a Commission
would be appointed to institute an inquiry into this subject.
Mr. SINCLAIR thought that the best plan would be to
turn those out of the service who were found incorrigible, and
not permit them to suffer such degradation and torture, more
especially when it was found useless.
Colonel DAVIES thought the discipline of the British
army could not be preserved if corporal punishment was done
away with. Honourable Members who knew nothing about
military matters, came down and enlarged very eloquently upon
the matter. Flogging was a necessary evil, but he believed it
had been very much mitigated of late years.
Sir E. CODRINGTON said it was absurd to suppose that
Military or Naval Officers felt any pleasure in witnessing the
torture of their men. For his ( Sir E. C.'s) part, he always
felt it the most revolting and unpleasant part of his duty.
There was a great deal of deception in the clamoul
that had been raised, and he thought that the House could not
confer a greater benefit upon Officers than to provide some
übpunishment.—( Hear.)
Mr.ei tthereere could be no stronger proof of
the vue°t'tyDV of t
punishmentsidof than that it.was reduced to a
regular science; forciien\cehYlahEte andß speciesa
the first thing a drummer, bugler, or
smith was taught, was, to practice flogging. He trusted it
would be speedily done away with.
Mr. HUGHES HUGHES complained that Hon. and
Gallant Colonels and Admirals should advocate such a system,
and that, at the same time, they should object to any Hon.
Members but themselves offering opinions upon the subject.
After a few words from Sir E. CODRINGTON and Mr.
METHUEN,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that a circular had last year
issued from the Horse Guards, the object of which was under-
stood to be, to do away with flogging in the army, but it ap-
peared to be a complete farce. He trusted the House would pass
a resolution which would effectually do away with the system.
Mr. TENNYSON replied. He had taken up the ques-
tion merely on public grounds, and he had not the slightest
intention of imputing blame to Colonel Bowater. They had
the assurance of the Right Hon. the Secretary at War, that
his Majesty's-Government would recommend the issuing of a
commission to inquire into the subject, and the sooner that
was done the better.

system ought to undergo a complete revision. The man ap-
peared to be the victim of drunkennesi yet he was placed as a
sentry at the canteen. How cruel it was first to give the sol-
diers a taste for spirituous liquors, and then flog them for drink-
ing them.—( Hear: )
Mr. LENNARD earnestly hoped that the Hon. Member
who had brought the subject before the House would not
sufFer it to die away, but that a resolution would be brought
forward strongly marking the disgust of the House towards
the practice.
Mr. TENNYSON said he was not disposed to throw
any obstacle in the way of the intentions of Government, but
if there was any delay, he should take some other course,
though he could not say he was prepared at once to bring for-
ward a deliberate resolution condemnatory of the practice.
After a few words from Mr. PETRE and Col. G. LANGTON,
the petition was laid on the table.
GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY BILL.
Lord G. SOMERSET moved the third reading of the
London, Reading, and Bristol Railway Bill.
Mr. R. PALMER proposed that a clause be inserted at the
end of the Bill, that the proprietors should not be allowed to
proceed in erecting the Rail-road until they- had applied to
Parliament for powers to do so.
Lord G. SOMERSET thought this very extraordinary,
after the House had agreed to pass the second reading. Such
a clause would have the effect of nullifying the whole Bill,
and he was sure the House would not agree to it.
After a few words from Mr. PEAsn-and Mr. ROBINSON—
Mr. PALMER viithdrew his motion, and the third reading
was then agreed to.
It being three o'clock, the SPEAKER left the chair..