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circumstances requiring an increased nutritl;l of
Troops in that quarter, a proportionate c44fe, of:
course took place. He contended that the sofr'iaft;-
India was of late veal murh improved,
ly on account of the introdudlon .of the system
English Jurisprudence, and the ,iienigra inflate e.
our Laws into that Country. T 11,7 resources
dia were in a flourishing state, and her debts wound`'
be. put into a trainaof.expeditious lizairidatien, nue.
ingredient in which, undoubtedly is a.systern of stri&
.economy, and also a re-du&ion of the Military
Establishments of lodia. A great deal in the way
of liquidation would be effeded, by transferringi
the .debts of that Country through the medium of
Commerce, to Leactente-street. After expatiat-
ing forsome time on the result of his Findncial
Statements, which were to the effet above I:motion-
ed, the Noble Earl concluded by repeating he had
no übjeelion to the, Motion.
. .
The Earl of SUFFOLK said a few- wordsin ex-
planation, and adverted to the advantages the Noble
'Earl at the head of the Board of Control had in
recurring to official documents.; it was impossible
for him' to refer to papers which he had not seen ;
he had no 'doubt of the statements being corred,
and he expressed his aatisfaCtion at hearing that'the
Military Establishments' of India were intended to
be seduced. - •
-The question was -then put, and..the AccOunts
were ordered to bat prodncedaccordiogly.
The Order relative to the Bill for the Prevention
of Illicit Games, which. (as
,we could coiled) stood
for a third reading---aabeiogread, • .
Lord BOLL AND rose,
,and_ stated a Vari-ety. of
objedions ro.the Bill, .many of which' were given,
in a strain' Of irony and refined humour. *He con_
sidered the subje't as unworthy the attention of
the Legislature, and argued existing
that the Lawsi
wereabimdantly sufficient to. counteract the'evils the
Bill prefessed`to remedy---aindeed the interposition
of the British Legislature on such occasions as the
preSenta reminded him of she Anecdote tel of,
the .illikrious •NE W TON, who un that occasion-,
certainly did -not rt,fled.with his. accustomed - wis-
dom and philosophy.- That great man haVing been
"by some accident shut up in a tlon), in which ,ova's
also a Cat, a -hole was-cut to admit the animal to pass
in and out ; but this Cat soon having a kitten,,
the Philesopher recomniended that a smaller hole
should be cut for the accommodation '
u of the kitten.
-=-So- was it with the Legislature :in the case before
them, the existing Laws. were-abundantly sufficient
not only for this, :but for olajeds of greaterrnagnia
rude,' -and *Which 'they aeffedually counteraded.----.-
Vnaer this impression; be would. move that • the
further' consideration of 'the Bill be postponed for
three months. - • .
The LORD CILINCELLOR replied to the -ab:
servationS of the Noble. Lord, att.some length. - He
thought the -thanks of the House. due to him, for
calling- their attention; to ills of thiS,deicriaidon,
and the principle up°. it 'which he. `aded was highly
commendable. 1-Ic ryas induced, 'in, thelpresent
stance,. to: postpone • the Bill .fora ;Short time,-(but
not on the grounds altogether urged by-the Noble
Lord t there were provisions in the Bill
which
,required farther consideratiOn; -and indeed,
someathese•wereanit.quite:intelligible_lo himself
to.. the suppreSsion,- among 'other 'illicit
...mks of •Little Goes. Now these. 'he under-
-9
stoOd, were of various descriptions, from the Ilk..
:gat Lotteries, held. :in Public - Neunies; down to
what '. tnay be pilled: the Gingihreaci
wltich epl4oafor:in,the--streqs-;;--Many sorts
of innocent raffles, stich-is thciscplatied•at Watering
&c. may come under the
present. prov_isiotia'rof and it may not be
quite convenient, or preper to commit-dime engaged
in them as vagrants,- as -Was'•therein :provided ; for.
aliese:zinO othEr'.reagons,: therefore,
,he:was induced
to move tiSsiponE' the firetlier-6nsideration of the
141;1Friday next. •
In cowaqUene of :tVhat fell from the Noble and
tearr.c7,l .LOrd., -Lord .Hot,i,ANts was induced to
Motion, • and the proposition of the
Lola* Ct-taaat LLOR:waS ordered accoidingly.
Thedier`being moved for receivirm the Report
.'of the Aliens', Bill,

The Earl of4UFFOLK."' fose, in consequence of
• • , •
• seeing Duke in his Place, whose condud
under.the.Bill,•in quesiion,• in 'a
;particular inStance,
he had
.o,ccasloll .r.o..refer to last night, and as he
seemed to say a certai6.4le_gree of misrepresentation
'had Obtained, in, some of the Public Prints, reia_
tive to his •statement of the case, he wished to
'state the *circumstances again, in the' presence of
-.the Noble Duke. .1-liS Lordship then repeated
the circumstances of • the case of L'Abbe Sechant,
nearly as he stated them last night, with the ad-
dition that he was a native 'of •Strasbourg,_Rhich
was the place -of his destination when he:was-Scut
out, of this Cottntry, and 'that •Qravelioes was .the
,place at which he was detained, • As to the con-
neftion of the Abbe with the' late ,Diredor Rew-
hell, upon which so much stress • had been laid, it
:consisted principally, as
.we-understood. his
ship, in an intendecUriatriinonial alliance between',
the aged Abbe and the Annt •oftheDiredor,.. The
Abbe had not been- in France. for 3o years ,be.
,fore, and most. probably had not .seenße,Wbell
`since he was a boy. The Noble Earl, in the course
of his address, adverted to some observations which
had been made in the preceding night, and explain..•
'et:l the particulars of his acquaintance with-the Abbe,
intercourse between him,and. the Noble,Ea.rl,'_
family, and his favourable opinion of the Abbe, tec.
LorePPELII4/11, in answer -.to what-had- fallen
from the, Noble Earl, and after shortly.: alluding to
what he had said on the Subjeft of rhisrepre;enta., -
tion, :proceeded -to vindicite the CondUtt of the
Ttioule Du; e, in, the'.'fins.tanoes as
not only proper, and. unobjedionable, but as
*tailed 1.).-E.by flies neCessity ..of the 'Case,.
th-cr; ,ht Grace:had ailed with' huinanity and
indulgence- awards the - person 'alluded
;Manner, iti which 'the. Noble Earl had _treated the
ribjed on. a former night
.had certainly • made an
iinpression o litinf z which rebdered him the more
• arixtoUS -to Vindicatekhe contiu4 of his NObleriend
Niii?-,lelSecietary • then described the real state
of` thc;•;Case; reierrinW to 'Official documents for the
particiars, and the. conclusion of which,-as. we
tinli•!rstood-liis-tordship 'was that -in-April
' the Abbe•applied'f&r 'pe'rinisgion to go tiiFr_!nce---
„cllikitkiljtOtekrprOlier) for cetc4n .easons at that

.; time,' to reftise. In July it, was deemed advisable
..4-4t he should -be tell:, and speedily, out of the
./qmintry. Accordingly an Order was sent., but
ferty-eight hours; he 'was, on account
al-.,re and infirmity, allowed four
days' to prepare himself.
The. Earl of SUFFOLK and Lord PELHAM Seve-
rally spoke in explanation.
- waspcoceeding-to state-his :sen—
of-the.Bill before the HoUse, when the Lord
CHANCELLOR informed . him the question was not',
yet regularly put, which was then accordingly done:
when,Lord.Hollandrolerand
able length, stated his objedions,noS only 'to the
principle, but to several of,the leading rrovisionsof
the Bill, ,which if their• Lordships. were determined,
to pass,,he conjured them not to let them remain as.
perrnancht Laws. He .seemed however, to think,
sortie degree of testriaion might-.be necessary, but
by no meansto that extent, or on those principles the
Bill provided.. In contending against the measure,-
the Noble Lord adduced a- varietyof arguments, in
the application of which he minifested his usual
ability, and lie spoke in strong terms of. ceu.sure of,
part of the 'condua-of Ministers under the Bill, in
the course of the.late War.-
The LAD CHANCELLOR, in. the course. of
his speech in answer- to •the Noble Lord, compli-
mented him on the degree of candonr which in ge-.
neral he had manifested in his opposition to the Bill.
He deemed •it unnecessary to follow him..through
the whole of his objeaions, the greater part of:
which had already been fully discussed and decided •
upon. With respell} to the question• relative to
the permanent residence of Aliens in this Country,
lie was not then prepared to give an opinion : it
was a question ori',which duly to decider-nqui,red a
g reae deg tee of cons ide r a tion. With r'&4ALEMilie
Bill in gerieral,•,it-was nat.o!,- le said, (4 new
was only continuing a measure which had long exist-
ed, and from which much benefit had'beinderi'ved.
might be•thought by;soMe,-that whatever dangers'
agaißst.lVhielt
nrces pry to provias a riletsure likethepresenr,:yert
these •-datig.6rs• had ceaii'd*itli the concluSion.'ef
that Var lie -'though,
.-teater.dancrer. wlvs• to:be apprehended in a+eri-ild- of
Peace, from tlfelftfhii of Foto -latcf gnersAhJY:4o4-
try, than-diiyingihe..Wili::,-:.He irislikt-he
ell as much rational pity-asllum: '.anY Noble;
but he conceived'iha t.HUMaiiity-towards the Conn_
try, was-true humani tr to The
ness- yeir thiSCoiin trits re,
sisting the operttion -of4llat:Toisoi, the —baneful ef;
leds. -~ so. -scverelx.felz,49
parts of thti Qop.tir)ent,...;ba-d 'gin the
highest degree beneficial, to this Country,. but`had
also enabled other- Countries. to• °pose. re-sistance
-to the danger with.-Ns;IliC11 they wereihreatene-d; tvlSeh
could not have been otherwisein ;their po.,v'er.. :If
.had been -asked` by. a Noble Lord,why-not :pr-07:
•
ceed• by indiettnent, inste.id-4..having recourse to
extraordinary measures like the present -; but the fda
Was; that a prison had sometimes been ". made she
head-qu:ieters of certain Afiliated"Sacieties,f and, to
send .men of the description—which- this Bill was

intended to-reach, to a prison, wtnitd- bp ~ray
them additional means of pursuing their:nefatious
plans. The ASR respeaink Aliens, of which the
present Bill was to a certain extent a continuation,
contained a Provision, according to which, that Ai
was to continue for si.x months after the conclusion
-of the War, and from thence to the end of the 'then
next> Session of Parliament. This ProvisiOn was
evidently made for the purpose,ofgiving the Legis_
lature time, after the conclusion of the War, to
consider of the propriety of continuing it. He
was of opinion that it would be highly expedi-
'ent to carry 'the present measure into area,
he admitted that it was an evil; but they had only
a choke of evils, and this was the least. He
thought at the same time, that it would be better
to make the Bill temporary, and an idea had been
in his mind, that a Clause might be introduced into
the Bill for that purpose ; but upon looking into
he found there were several Clauses which it was
peces,ary to make permanent, he therefore rclin_

quished that opinion which
,he had at first formed
Noble Lords, would however, have air opportu-
nity of considering in the next Session the propriety
of introducing any measure for the purpose of alter_
ing the present .13i1,1 if it should be thought neces-
sary.

The Bill was then•ordered to be read a third
to-marrow.

The several Bills on the Table, were forwarded
in their respective stages.—Adjourned at la quarter
before nine o'clock till to-morrow. -

HOUSE OF-COMMONS;

WEDNESDAY, JUN,E 23.

THE Amendments of the,-Lords to the. Scotch
-Bill were taken Into cnnsi4eration;and
agreed to.

Lord GI,ENnERV;2 pre motiee, that in the ab_
sence of his' Hope-Frig-nil Eiu or cE); it
:was his- intrfition to make a Motion to-morrow,
relatiVe---to Dr. .2arnile.hael -Smith's Petiticm. -
• A giessage from' theLtirds infOrnred the House of
theassent of .their Lordships to the tisooioool. Ex--
cheloql Bilk Bill, the Prerich Postage Bill, the
_Sinking.F.und Bill, the irnlceeper,'•.l33l; the Auction.
Duty Bill, the. Stamp--Duty.:Bill, the IriSli Lord'
Chancellor's Salary Bill, the` rish -Six per Cetit.
Duty Bill, the Tortola Free .Tort' Bill, 'the IriSh-
-Lotttry-Office Bill, the• Controverked
'Bill, and the Marine 'Mutiny/Ell. '
Mr-.--7VALLACE. said, that. in the investikation,
of a gibjeti so important-as the AfEtiis orTnaif.,..i, •
`Was rncessary to have, every'posible.doc.um,..nt thd.t
could throw light on. -the-:_subjed,. from Whatever
source .t -tuns derived. He ,odoid,.tlictefore, tho've.
for a Piper, whiCh was not,",itidetkl,' in any ol&i.11.
form, lut as it. refleeled upon the charaaer of one
who lied a very high stativ.in in India, he thought it.'
proper fiat it should be laid before the House. He .
then moved, • that there be laid be ,ire- the FlOuse
Copy of a Paper .cjirporting to. be a Letter or Bus:
seen All', the rapiited.Son of the late Nabob of At-
pm,- to -James Stuart Hall, and Samuel 'Johnson,
Es(irs. Its Agents in Lonelon. Ordt-red.,:
•On tit Report of the' Committee '9ppointcd—to
provide tdditional: Cotthuittee Rooms OLI Offices,
bOng bttught up,

_. . ! • - - -r

Sir IV: DOZBEN said, that lie understood that
the CoMmittee had fixed upon a place in the neigisu
bourhood of the present House. He thought, how-
ever,sthat this was a proper opportunity for pro.
posing to transfer the situation of the Parliament
House to a place more centiical and convenient*
both for the -Members and those connetted with the
Inns of Court. He said, that the present situation
had-been-chosen on. account of its proximity to the
Court: but that now formed -no - reason, as the
Court was generally held at a
.consid.erabie distance
from London. 'He thought His Majesty would be
very willing to- second the views of the 14.0,145-e to
removing Co a preferable sitti•-.!-ion, and wOnicl not
saruple to:grant them the 441,0 Mews which he
thought a most convenient Scite fora new Parlia.
ment House.
_ .
.4,14 rd .cLEN.ggi?IfE thought that there was
no reason to change the ancient scite-of the• House,
as it had not produced Any such in,convenlenee?s to
give ground to serious complaint.
-The Repot t „was ordered to be taken into co'
sideration. to-morrow.
The Papers moved for by Mr. 1,147:?..1.1.-kcst.
MondaY, were presented,.atid.ordered to,lie on !Pc
Table, and to be printe,d for the useof riae,,igragaes
. Mr. SHER IDA /17 expressed sre net that t:11,e;
thin attendanceOf the -House Yesterday. preventr -
an Honourable and Learned Gentleman from de.
slivering -a very ingeniousand elaborate spe.echp i°
which they .would:,have beard a complete account
of our.Goveroment Governors in India, 1;05'
our first settlement, ilieredown• to the present tirne•
The House in this case had certainly .sustained 3
Very great. Foss by their' own negligence. But as
thelfault appeared- to him to bring Witll'it its 9,)121.-
iumWrrnenl7--hE*:.-!h7tird7l7(frs'AVN-711e- 1-rousc. co
new nenansp„,.li,y eterinz,kt...a,e'sent in to a ,similar
Ire intended , to. follow a verr •
.different- course, all detail Whatevere
Theie--rva-s no giadie vay chat in:the present aifai
:could be adopleit!, •whole of the East IP'
dia Corepariy's.:tj-atisaffions, inu.;k; be at present 113"
without-any twidencc or documents tO
guide-oiitittpiiries, or the WhOle subjed must be
deLetapci till .the riecessary .-infottnatiOo_ .on.. both
'sr!.fes':cd,ila be 13tottglit. forward ; and this laic
eotose—ife•tminteridttl-ut
_pment- to adopt,. 'as .tb_
-wisest -aild'iSe" irii.)streiiiedi:;at.* 'He found hit
Sid- called ulisn, lidWeea., 'to 'sai•-- a few word
tp.acoune condua.'in this *business
liiid.fnot been:a-habit with him to insist
upd,lty;Mittibert'attentling, 'theiritiuty, 'or to count
'unon.discussians cVC.II-,of more iill4
portarice than the present :,nor had an Honourable
Get,tletran' bl! nos [e .'
t,
to Jilin, 'the, (..r.t.INNCELLOrs (4 .
the:titi-iEqVX.i,- been, in the habit of quitting the
Howe en "matters: of fir less importanc7
-welre:ta have Geen liroUghl forward. The- condua
z.of both yesterday, therefore, requtred' scinie
planation. When informzititin respecting any pub:
lie business was required by. any Member, there.
were, he conceived, only two modes of proceeding; •
either to apply to His Mitiesty's -Ministers, or,
• failing. to receive satisfaftion from them, to have
recourse to the-Hetitse:
.present tfistance li
had to His Majesty's Ministers, and. chef
had fairly declared to him, that information esset' •
tial to the proper investigation of the simiqtil
had formerly intended to submit to. the House,h 113'''
not yet' arrived. With this declaration he had
rested satisfied for the 'present,' and did not think •
himself justified, with such impeded documents as
•had yet arrived, to proceed in an 'inquiry that
, might implicate the character of one in a very big 4
situation in India. Some time after forming this
resolution, lie was surprised to fv?d, that a Certain
Honourable and Learned Gentleman, struck, as i;
were on a sudden, with a new species of sen,ibilitY,
and with sentiments certainly very unlike albs;
which bad appeared to aCtuate on the trial of
,former. Governor General of India---zhad thought -
himself called • upon to updertake the subject. Thiq
Honourable and L.-earned Gentleman wished ilia; •
(Mr. SkIERIDAN) still to take. the lead in tb;
• bnsin.ess, while the Hon. :Gentleman was only ;0
stand -up by way of second, to deliver chat teamed
and laborious speech which the House had yeny
neatly been fortunate enough to bear yes' terdaY•
consequence. Qf this, it had been agreed herweel
them that they should...deliver their sentiments 9rl
the Indian affairs on the same ; for which par-
pose, Tuesday had fixst. -been pitched upon, but
from motives of convenience., -they had afterwardS
agreed to- postpone the-business till WednesdaY•f •
In the mean tiine, however, the •Honourable and
Learned. Gentleman began to susped that some foul
play was intended,-.and to become apprehensive:.
:that if he• delayed till Wednesday, the House •
"might not meet on that day, and, that he should
: thus be tricked altogether out of an opportunity of
'delivering the. eloquent • and eiabojate -speed:
. above alluded to. To prevent this' ;Tire hendcu
-fuck, he had ,y.dsterttay suddenly opened his 1\49.•
tioni and at the very 'entre accused him (Mr;
Sitg klnArr) of having neglected the business, ant.
* thus forced: himself to •take it: tip.-- ';But, whatever.
rrgligenCei."sahl.-I\4:r,.:S}4RlDao,“ may he imputed
to my Corldu4t; irr. Other respeets,• I cannot be.charged
with having negleded•to: bring the errors of the.Governors:,in Ifidi t bcfore the Public, and to enforce-
neceSslty of punishing - their- crimes in an e*•••
'emplary manner. He•accuesmy conduit of tending:
occasion diloy in an-'affair that requires insuot
'Consideration.i, but,,,in.:.my opinion, his own cots
duo is more likely. to ptoducc delay: for what
!feCt can a precipitate Motion, founded on no.Docu-
•:rrents, on no :information, have, 'bur ,to prOV,Qke
'.Opposition, end. to prevent the voluntary ,efforts of
His' Ma je...sty 'sMinisters to promote an Inquiry
thehn method •of conducting Inquiries into Indian
Affairs; `at le:;;st I .rily no,!sr I nzive had some 0.-
,perience, ..and do not it,-4ittin need of the direCtions
:of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. With regard
.to the time; the Occiioion,' the manner in which it
-is- Piloger 10,r me to bring forward any Motion, I
.hold- myself bound to obey the dittates of no
.man!,
in these-remeas, from my own motives, • .
froth ..the didate's of my own mind, and not be
guided either by tire whims or the teeiings.of others.
On the present occasion, I have already stated, that
there are only, two ways of proceeding—either to
discuss the whole ,of the Indian ATairs with such
iniperfea lights as we have,. or to defer the whole
till we ca/;;, pro,;ure• more complete ipfortnation.