The Sun.
London, England, 1851-06-17 00:00:00

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-4:l4lkNion of fi—re and in the following year Com-
kite o ee ,
tee appointed by that Louse went Fully into the sub-
/Z.! and reported unanimously ie favour a Mr. Rendell's
having the estimates before them.
?After a tew words from Colonel DuNNE and Mr.
lENeet, the vo•e was agreed to.
114,1,44,0001 to defray the expense of the construction of
-Urs of re`'titYe.
~,,O
fiUME hoped that this vote would be postponed
teal the reports respecting them were laid before the
movie' These works were commenced when Govern-
ep
te Were under a panic that the country would be ims
ttately
invaded. He proposed that the vote should be
Idr's'etscl by 60,0001., leaving that for the Channel Islands
, iuture consideration, when they had the report re-
Itetine them before them.
it!he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
the the opinion of the Hon. Member last year that
wie works in the Channel Islands should be proceeded
thrt The truth was, that these works were all in the
t,o "of forwardness, and it would be a great loss to
ihiencl operations et preset. On the harbour of Dover
mere Watt 34 000/. expended.
PLUMPTRE said that the inroads of the sea at
14"er were becoming quite alarming. The t iwn was
pct re danger, and the harbour commiasiuner3 were
te great expense in building sea wails to keep out
Ilterieea, tor whieh there would be no necessity if they
b Bupply of beach which was now carried into deep
'ker.
aItirr.,CORDEN.. said that when the vote for the Chan-
eit,'"ends was last year before the House he su4gested
(14" thPy should have bad the estimates respecting them
14-7/ hp in the same form as the navy esamatee with
ban-e columns. They iver, voting away a large sum ot
Itt'e4el' every year for Alderney, which was only about
e Miles long and half a mile wide. The estimated
pTof the harbour there was t wice as much as would
i'utso the whole island. He had never heard any
beleetions from Lleyd'a or other pardes for a harbour
to trilugo there. There was no commerce nor an) thing
- mpt vess, le to enter there. This was but a part of
iil,Rteat scheme of fortifications into which they rushed
11,444 and 1845 when they were panic-sirkken about.
s„ll4,4flger of invasion. The whole estimeted cost for
bithearbour was 600,0001. They ought to be satisfied
the first loss and go no further in this extravagant
etty.
13!1,r. HUME had visited the Channel Islends recently,
men cad therethe been informed that it would take 40.000
to rnan fortificetions there. He did not find a
111-8% it; these islands who was not disposed to leueh at
Ina. He atso thought the expenditure upon Dover
IT-ruour useless.
BUCK sail that there wagon part that required the
tr,-6'cleration of the Government so much as the coast
1,4"11 Bristol to the Land's Ead, where there were Ile
t?OtirS of refuge at all.
ilesir J. GRAHAM. suggested to the Government that
CeAhid be much more satisfact iry in respect to these
IC Work it the same form of estimate was adopted as
114.111 A for the navy and ordnance. He thought that
ta;lo,te might be postponed until they had such a state-
et.," d before them. The vote for the Channsl Islands
Oti state-
eat
large, and was not placed so much under the
la,pot of the Government as other votes.
44he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would
te objection to putting the votes in the shape sug-
abled,. The truth was that the report was placed un the
't last year, which gave all the information that could
required.
the a brief discussion the vote was withdrawn for
e Pre
2, ent.
tt liB3l. to defray the expense of the necessary works
.4°ll Patrick.
e,
',hit •W. WILLIAMS should like to know how long
ab,!Penditure was to go on. The harbour was of no
utility.
pit'ir P. BARING said that there was no doubt the
Qoel had been abandoned as a packet station; but the
itoternment thought it advisable to keep up the harbour
Mere wreck and ruin under the idea that the har-
e* might be turned to some advantage again as rail-
Itoornmunication advanced.
itr' HUME said the public had nothing to do with it
was abandoned as a packet station.
kr,r G. CLERK thought it was probable it might be-
Theg
v
! aain a acket station.
eote was ultimately agreed to.
r,'3,239/ for defraying the expense of maintaining se-
eik‘l Public buildings in the department ot the Com-
kocioners of Public Works in Ireland; also for the ex-
iticrnoe inland navigation under the direction of the
miteortenaissioisers.
r. SPOONER SPOONER would take the sense of the Com-
ae*" upon one item in this vote. He would move that
the grant be reduced by the sum of 1.2301. 103., being
trieLetthe appropriated to the Royal College of St. Pe-
tro', fila,ynooth He objected to this vote on the
.tltici of principle as well as on pecuniary grounds. heiu
g as it was, it formed a portion of
the public
Ft, 1Y; but his main objection was, as to the principle.
it /°,,buld ever contend for that principle—namely, that
t4,:lrrotestant nation they had no right to grant any
ftl•tl.°Y to a religion in open hostility to the established
as it had decidedly shown itself to be. within
ioo
di: 'est few months. The country would be greatly
4:,ll)ointed if, notwithstanding all their hoatile pro-
len;ilge against the Protestant Churn and the Die-
Ir'ers this grant was allowed. The late Sir R tbert
totett In:d in 1845 proposed that 30.000/. should be given
111„the erectieneef uidigs at aynoot, and he ha
Recured for the same institution theh payment of d a
th!? twin annually out of the Consolidated Yr
4;161t five years the re had been paid, in acifitien to
p iiita of 30,0001., no less a sum than 26,000/. an-
therl3; and now, in addition to th,se grants,
tr 1 was proposed this sum, paltry in amount, but
tat in principle.—(Hear, hear.) There was to be
a year fer repairs, in addition to the
1h!000/. for building. Sr Robert Peel, in proposing
telecom, said that he meant to treat the Irish ie a ge-
• •
et tis spirit, the hope they would be met in a cur-
4Pote lieg spirit—that they wouldhe repaid for their
ther4lity by infusing a better spirit into Irishmen; and
afar thq ss7ould do this by ensuring a more liberal spirit
li
,education amongst them.—(Hear.) Had they, be
t!;;ed, been met in a more liberal spirit?—(Hea,e) Had
tease hops been realized? Had there not, on the cons
47, been an open declaration of hostility azeicst them?
\((ih
srth aers.) Within the last few days an Hon. Member
*t. at House was reported to have made a speech or
lellten a letter—he referred to what he had read in an
Q..% Paper—and, according to that report, the lion.
Gear
had said that toleration was a word which
tvil' (the Roman Catholics) would not receive as appli-
eto them—that they would not condescend to Sc. toleration, when the Roman Catholics bad the right
one established as the Church in Ireland.—(Cheers.)
Spooner) was one of those who had opposed
"1 Godless colleges," but then he asked when that
0
1t4:44 hail been made, bad it been received by the Ro-
-4 Catholics in a spirit of conciliation?—(Hear,
11,:1".) How had the Irish Roman Catholics received
Had they not thrown back the grant in their teeth?
manifested
hear.) And what was the liberal spirit
dClaifested by the Roman Catholics, and how had it been
ilticienstrated? Was it not by an act of aggression on
reilPart of the head of that Church against the Sove-
tn of this nation?—(Cheers.) And then let them
the hostile spirit that had been manifested by Irish
to man Catholic Members of that House when the at-
-11;t1),, Pt was made to put down the act of aggression by a
in that House.—(Hear, hear.) As to the concilia-
jut' of the Roman Catholics, ho told them it was a vain
ett"ci"tc.
(ti Pt._
eThe Roman Catholics were not to be concili-
ar ) Every man of them who was a true
titetteanCetho.lic would never stop until he had put down
e Protestant Churcb.—(Cheers.) They were not to
contented with with toleration; they must have ascend.
and never would they rest tranquil until ascend-
-411Y had been obtained.—(Hear.) Too long had they
il`the Protestants—submitted to this state of things. He
eiieved that the abandonment of their Protestant prin-
rPles was a great national sin, and that if they continued
t 1 the lame course they would bring down upon them-
,tlyee a great national enclgment.—(Hear.) He moved
al," the vote be reduced ny the sum of 1,230/. 10a.
sir,
the question being put,
h alr. HUME was very sorry to hear the speech which
Ftki been made by the Hon. Member for Warwickshire,
°l,r, whatever might be the opinion he entertained as to
time for discussing them. He concurred entirely in the
"Pinion of the Lion. Member that had been referred to—
!lithely, that the Roman Catholics ought not to be satis•
bged With toleration when they were entitled to equality.'le asked the Hon. Member whether he would not do to
ethers as he would wish to be done by? It app, ared to
}lira that the Hon. Member was for voting against his
awn principles.—(Hear.) The question was whether
they were prepared to support those edifices which Par-
liament had alre-ady declared should be created, and the
Creation of which the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert
peel) had proposed an one acting upon true Christian
Principles.
Sir R. H. INGLIS observed that the Hon. Member
fixed up two questions which were entirely separate
from each other,—the proposal to reduce the sum for she
repairs of 'elaynooth and the establishment of
the
Queen's colleges. They had not met to discuss the
latter subject, and he therefore should confine himself to
the college of Maynooth. Now, he asked whether the
a
Princip Cargument of the late Sir Robert Peel, when
proposing his plan respecting Maynooth' was not this
—that he wished to change from an annual to a perma-
lent grant, for the purpose of removing this constant
element of discord from their debates.—(Hear, hear.)
Ile (Sir R Inglis) bad never contemplated that he ehoai d
have to tyke part again in a discussion on the Nleynooth
tract, unless it should be in discussing a Bill introduced
to put an end to the grant altogether. Here now, how-
ever, he' found the debate revived, and that at a time the
'emit propitious for calm discussion, by her Majesty's
Ministers proposing this vote for 1,200/. They asked
this sum to be granted by the country at the very mo-
ment that the country felt it necessary :to put n stop to
aggression—agqression, too, that was encouraged by too
teeny high authorities in that House.—(Hear.) The
lion. Member for Montrose, for instance, had repudi-
ated the idea of toleration for the Roman Catholics on
the ground that they were entitled to equality, or more
than equality. He (Sir R. Inglis) denied it. He had
that eery day presented a petition from the General
Assembly of the Church of Scotland, in which the pro-
Per principle was laid down as to the national religion,
and here the nation having declared that which was to
he its national religion, he held that the Roman Catho-
lics had no claim to equality with that religion; that
there should be nothing more than a largo and liberal
toleration at the utmost for the Church of Rome.
He would say nothing more of that Church than this—
that he and other Members of that House having taken
a certain oath, they would not regard it as a matter of
1 .ndiff-rence whether they supported that Church or not.
—(Hear, hear.) It was only from false notions of ex-
pediency that such a grant as this could be made. He
wasprepared to support the lion. Member in resisting a
policy which was fraught with evils to the religious
principles of this country.—(Hear, bear.)
Mr. FORDES had, be laid, whop Toted splint