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London, England, 1833-04-26 00:00:00

er:4,llltl have ured strongts ' of th 2 ,7,1t4.
Rion before them, if any suchargumen were tooil befavour urged. Hed
stn Peel) would. therefore, review what the Hon..an
tit efl Gentlsman had said in favour of this question.
„o:etrif the rffeets whisk the Hon. and Learned Merssb-r
lasa,:dif.r°m,!h.- ballot was, Vett it could put an end .co
les 1, a• laid the Hen. and Learned lasntleinan.con-
tid he t ati, as an
4d ient-!n/c, it an improvement, that ails! hisa con-
'lours, s, thrialitinth
titueot for vears in the service of
'lour and .y should receive him with ade ei
with the apathy, or that he should go among them.
ltassett, 'atne feeling? Or did he consider it an itn-
-4f pzp,:t that a Meniher should not have an opportunity
them a 'fling his conduct to his tionstiturnts, or of asking
(Sir 11°,4' to have confidence in him ?—( Cheers.) He
ilt ti, i "el) was so far from doing away with canvassing
iiiit one of that he would eonsioter it as destroy-
slt,dea the most impertant links between the repre-
tsa,tit " their representatives. It would prevent tits
dearh, lietOta from knowing their representative, it would
tlaistae,tr representative of mixing with the humbler
tad s4al; u'a constituents, and of ascertaining their wantsilic
Rrounda 4, and asking for their support upon pu i •
!'l il ~..,, ()Cheers.) The Hon. and Learned Member
rie(%!:‘-'l,l that the ballot was nothing ss ithout secrecy.
''''at threit Peel) thought that it was impossible to pry-
froa k Public functional ins connected with the election
Sties tenwit'g how a man voted, and if those fenetion•
la the die t" know the way a mau voted, it would be open-
ittned toot to incalculable abuse. If they by any means hap-
°Ltain 'certain which way a man voted, they wou'd
that the great degree of influence over him, from a fear
tatalet7 '
would reveal it • and would, in fact, become
ts,rteyaule petty tyrants. In order to make out that
ILtt th re
be maintained, it was necessary to prove
bittire e functionaries should remain as ignorant of the
of, tstio:f 4 man's vote as any other person on the scene
1;t1t if ---(Cheers.) He (Sir R. Peel) would allow,
;!difip' ,vl,Te !Butallot were introduced secrecy was
'ink tl,-"le. did the Hon. and Learned Member
titheh•at the voters, themselves could conceal the nature
their '1.1)t"? Could they in the course of gossip with
ltaa notes?
conceal it' Was it possible that a
lisehet'ld conceal it from his wife ?—(Cheers and
that ::.) And where then was the secrecy ? Why',
Ulu t•• abominable system they proposed to introduce,
tillstYhetB'",_°°°l,l not in their private society discuss how
(Cheers.' or host they were, to transact a public trust... 7
tAtisarsq It
h Would not only put an end to public
tsd L ii• alit to
~, sPublic discussion.—(Cheers.) The Hun.
lincloPsare" Meteber said, that under the present systehme
1,1 !advocate 111(1 be tyrants, tout did the system which _
rid
fd not lay the tenantry open to a greater ded-
'''' 1°- tYra°ll? ( Hear.) The lion. and Learned
Ilsr;tt'Tan then said, that he ballot would prevent bra:
io, euitt,did he really think it would have that effect?.
tail tnn ulla would be formed, where a more systematic
''fl re
extensive system of bribery would be carried on.
ii Zutd Cheers.) He (Sir R. Peel) was convinced that.f
titilrlitarial,tetohtahtaevffeeetht,e effect of preventing bribery' andb
it
it would not only be useless, u
la IN, it° legislate upon it. He thought it a great evil.
iluici'll'te, if legislation had not the effect intended by it.
netitt'seneouraging the offence, it tended to throw
his-t
trate °°, the leislature. lie would, theref,ire, say., t a
4t thY °allot Was not only no security against bilbery,
The 100 it was worse than being no security.—(Cheers.)
deligh,°,urable anti Learned Member had spoken of the..
14lsis''' of seeing a landlord with his tenantry enc.omht
ata 't him going to give their votes. If theh si.ras )
Ile :1° delightful wby deprive them of it ? e
?I'
'tleted to the ballot unequivocally. Ile(Cobj.ected
ti)italt';„ln the first place, because it would make the
st is-elle
th, Y more democratic than
iinlips-i*ht it democratic enough.--(Cheers.) lie said
the e'',"/* He did not wish to conceal that he
.thought
fltiat!,'"tituerrey as democratic as was consistent with the
rd th Pim of the Constitution, and with the maintenance
ti,its ss_e P,r,,,iyilsges of the aristocratic portion of the comm.u-
-q t-ill'ar, hear.) It had been said that it was &sir-
"tee '", deatro the influence of property. He would
4,(ltr,' 14111, thatY if the natural influence of property were
lojariledr their next step would be to establish the most
'`lblard'u: 4 republics.—(Hear, bear.) It was surely
'ltt is ° say that a man with 10,0001. a year should not
than in influence over the Legislature of the country,
4) ,a man of 10/. a year.—(Hear, hear.) How could
altr-41atrY end but in a democracy, if the influence. was
itattlY arenrding to numbers? They had thought it right
,(10t,t)1 give more than ten votes to a person who
i.f. hadthe
ltfl4. ' a Year, but they ought not to deerlve ht
triternce Which team due to that property. His second
Iliktil,!"r "PPosing the motion of the Hon. Member was.
atter the eioanee made in the electoral system last
lento
he k 40,, thought it too much to ask them now to make
toss another important change in the system. Nyttimat.l...
„,.(11h ere never to he any fixedness in electoral system rf
hti,:3r, hear ) Were they to give no opportunity o
alas ''' the effect of the change already made ? If there
t
tt pr°° Proof of a practical defect in the system i
:04%1'7:1t stood, he would object to a change. By a
I'ly system of change, they were
ofthrowing
of the most important foundations . G
1441., sLot"--naMely prescription, and upon that ground
'Olee "e would ' oppose it.—( Hear, hear.) lie thought
it treyt4 armee more plausible than yore by ballot. But
littln Were to admit vote by ballot, it would only
.be the
hinder4e to further demands; and there was nothing to
4sit anY Meath to come forward tbe following day to
"rliiti44l to ado ete universal suffrage, or any other plan
ttiar:',"night be pthe popular topic of the day. He was
truing'lT) remain as they were till some practical evil,
‘n'rrmn the Dreamt system, could he adduced. Tttere
I' 1 v-- Plan or system which had not plausible argumen. ts
vta4rseur 4 it, adoption. Could any one deny, fur ins.
,ket,;.that ,hero- were many good arguments in favour o
i'l'ar:;l4, the franchise to ,s one n. --(A laugh,. and.. hear,
'Rh
'4
iet the very mention of the subject excited a
itt.4,l to Other important duties were entrusted to women,
'''‘' stile° were allowed to hold property, why shouldh
Jested not vote for a Member of Parliament ? He o
ktes kt° the motion on another ground—namely, chat
Ohara had been induced to yield their consent to the
fear Re i'ff-eted in the electoral system of the country last
hi,: under a clear understandinf that it was to have a
liaa.rial•ts---(Hear, hear.) He -would take leave to tell
til,'la"le Members who took such pleasure in discussing
toot questions questions in that House, that they would do
kata,°"(l to the country, and be more useful Repre-1
!Its it'" for their constituents it' they devoted some o
441'e consumed in discussions on the prine•ples of
etas' °°+ the r -
,in reading report of the Poor Law Corn-
iitlar.'bera, and consi-deringthe facts which it brought to
it se,',4"(Chiters.) On these grounds, and believing that
state 44,e,aary for the welfare of the country, that the
people e2citement, and desire for change in which the
i
tiut Wire, should be allayed, he would vote against the
alas of the Honourable Member for London. lie
00 tteionvinced that the ballot would do no good, but
ttance contrary, that it would do harm, and that the
!kpi, gnosis
of it would only lead to fresh demands. and new
4stlitlinenta.—(Cheers.) So far from thinking that the
la n°,,-, Would work well, be was of opinion that—though
titt,"'et times, it might do no harm—yet, in times of ex..
ita;rnelat, when the public mind was wrong (for sometime.
lII' alWl'On )if a Parliament elected it wut ,
i 1:„R but a fair representation ofwere the real ando soh e r
fro.
l'iltii Of the country, and evil might be done which would
hat.,trttrievable injury.—(Loud cheers.) He concluded,
tor that the House would do nothing to change the
h°-4111
tittlene as established by the Reform Act, till they
%:(tl,l fair trial) of ita efficiency. (The Right Hon. Bart.
4:VO amidst loud cheers, and cries of " Question.")
late O'CONNELL explained that he did not mean
tdctltlidates were not to canvass by advertisements and
4:le,i, as they did in America.
45►s,CRAVEN BERKELEY said that be had koown,
4v:',,-'t% thrown out of employment in consequence of
41'1 voted
to fit the.. according to their conscience. Till there was
,Sehtioie could be
,no true representation.—(Cries of
494 tie Lions,r. quArEtion.
then attempted to address the
et4')ithat then:is:El:vas PO loud that we could scardcely.
Zalte.-eupurport Of the few
orsemarks he was allowe
ballot
Oil the
r".. e understood him kif the call for the
44,,i' of teCeuhoed wish of the people of England.. why the
'''°r? - 'souse was not covered with petitions in its
/111.,
'a ROTE briefly replied, and the divided—
,Hous.ei.sYes
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16 1,1 *Th CH REFORM—(IItELAND•)
''' "NT PEEL asked Lord Althorp when the
brit°rd A4te,rh Ilsforni Bill was to be read a second tie?
bong tOrtv HORP replied, that he should, if possible,
ard the Bill on Monday.
Sir ARSE
'oe ; JOIN SSED TAXES—PUBLICANS.
0.
I 1,411() th:;-,K EY gave notice, that on Monday, on g
f °f he H - seonsinittee on the taxes, he would move a call
I Lo
r, ()uae.
aV-THcees,
It -'lerk, a sst-r in reply to a question put by Major
4n. - tated that he could hold out no hopes to the
aliould Abi"nhsse•
1,, eso
i and " °theePeered
as shopkeepers. victuallers
the I,Orders of the Day were then disposed of ;
0 '°utle adjourned at One o'Cloek.
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19 Yea ''`lS -UYKE A CLAND has, in the
i, Ls.‘N, planted on his estates in Devon and Corn-
' vu,ooo
trees; one third of which are oak.

PRICES OF STOCKC THIS DAY AT ON? O'CLOCK.
flank Stock
'lre* Cent. Red. S7 67 7
I India Stock ... 229
3 Per Cent Conti Sirs VA llitto Bondi, 25 27 pm.
:lif, ise, C,-,0 - !South Sea Stock „ ........ 974
!',i,to He.!...... 94%14 I' '1..! Annuities...„. .........
.
igewl}4 per f ent. "5,,04 New Ditto
1 •-er Cent Ann. 17- — *.s per Cent. Ann. 1751
I per Cent. 11126 102% 1% 2Ex Bills, ..f.1,000...... 49 56 0,•
Rank Long Ann. to eXp,rr. Ditt0..«.......50.
Jan. 5, 15110 1674 15-16 \ Ditto Small . ..... ...... 49 50 pm.
Oct. 10, 1559 — i Ditto Commercial ...... --Pm.
Jar. 5, 15130 l7 3-16 i Ditt,) Advertised — pm.
Jan. 5, 1860 — Bank for Account
April 5, 1680 ......... ...... India for Accoont
Jan. 5. IS7, — Cons 4%, Account ...... ... Sii S

PRICES OP FOREIGN FUNDS
Austrian Bonds
B Igian Bonds ..... Rso,6
Ditto Account BSI
Brazilian Bonds 6034
I)itto Account 61_

Buenos A yr,...s Bond, 23

T)ittn Account
Chiban Bonds
Ditto Account
Columbian Boots
Ditto Account

:o Bonds, 15:24 lt

Ditto Account
Danish Rands -21.

Ditto Account
Greek Bonds ..... 31
Ditto Bonds, 1535.
Ditto Account
Aiexican Bonds, 5 per cent 2l
Ditto Account
32
Ditto, n per cent..
Ditto Account 304 N
Neapolitan...» ........

THIS DAY AT oNE O'CLOCK

Peruvian Bonds
Portuguese Bonds
Ditto Account
Regency Scrip dis.
Ditto Account
Prussian Bonds
Ditto Bonds, 1822
Russian Bonds, 182'

biitoAccow-lt

~.ew Loan —
Spanish Bonds, 121 —
Ditto Account —
Ditto Bonds, ',Ui
Ditto Account
French Rentes, sp. c. —f --c.
-- Exchange ...... f —c.
----S Per cent. —f —c.
F,xchange ....... —f —c.
(Dutch, 21 p. c 45304
rDitto Account 4534% 9y
Ditto, 5 p. c .4a7,
Ditto Account `441.;,%
Fconch Scrip 4% pm.

PRICES OF SHARES THIS DAT AT ONE O'CLOCK.
Paid. Per Share.
Anglo Mex. Min. Co. (iss. at 5/. pm.' £ll,O 11
Bolanos Mining Company £lso 140
Brazilian Imp. Min. Co. (iss. at 5/. pta.) e2d 63
Ditto National l7t4 on
Ditto St. John Del Rey
Ditto Cocaes. .
British Iron Mining Company £so
Columbian Mining Co. (iss. at 5/. pm.) 5014
English Mining Company
General Minine Association l2
Mexican Mining Co £46
Real dcl Monte Mining C 0....,
Tlalpuxahua Mining Co 330
United Mex. Min. Co. (iss. at (1. nm.) 40
Ditto New Sciip 5
Alliance Fire Insurance Comp lO
Protector Insurance Comp.
Australian Co.
Canada Company
General Steam Navigation Co. l3
Provincial Bank of Ireland 25

16N
101 A
£1 7 0

113., 12
29

PRICES :)F IRISH STOCKS, DUBLIN, APRIL 23,
Bank Stock 2Ol St. Patrick Insur.(perShare)
Consols, 3 per cent
Gov. Stock, *,', per cent. 93g National Ditto —
Ditto, New 94 Patriotic Ditto —
I per Cent. — Hibernian Bank 22
:;ov. Deb. 3!..; percent.... S 8 Provincial Ditto —
Royal Canal Stock - . Royal Irish Mine —
Grand Canal Stock --Imperial Mine —
City Deb. 4 per cent — Mining Co of Ireland
,;al last Office Deb. 4v. c. -- Commercial Buildings _

DANIEL O'CONNELL, ESQ., M.P.
THE SUNDAY HERALD, a Weekly
Journal, price 7d. (to which is joined " Merle's
Weekly Register"), printed uniformly with the "
Herald", so that it may bind up with the Dilly
Paper, will present gratis to its Subscribers to-morrow, a
PORTRAIT of
D. O'CONNELL, Esq., M.P.
Pc,rtraits of T. ATTWOOD, Esq., and W. COBBETT,
have already been given, and numerous others are in
preparation.
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LONDON,
THURSDAY EVENING, APRIL 25, 1833.

Despatches were received yesterday by Prince
TALLEYRAND from Paris, by way of Dieppe. We
understand that they have some relation to the
affairs of the East. It does not appear that at the
date of the last accounts from Paris, any news had
teen received of the entry of the Russians into
Constantinople; but it was known that the SULTAN
had invited the Emperor of RUSSIA to send a fore.-
to his relief in the capital, %%here a formidable con-
spiracy in favour of the Pacha of EGYPT had bee►
detected.

We have received accounts from the East, by
which we learn that the Russians are strengthen-
ing their auxiliary forces, and making all haste to
march to the assistance of the SULTAN. It was
doubtful whether IBRAHIM would not be in Con-
stantinople before them. We have no space for
extracts.

The meeting at the Crown and Anchor yester-
day appears to have been productive of some good, I
notwithstanding the irregular and stormy way in
which it terminated. Several of the warmest ge-
neral supporters of Ministers have this morning sig-
nified their intention of voting with Sir Jons KEY,
on his motion for repealing the house and window
tax, and we hear that Lord ALTHORP is eve►,
now engaged in the revision of his Budge'.
We trust that he will revert to his original
plan respecting newspaper stamps and the ad-
vertisement duty—and we do so with the mote
confidence, becaue we are sure that the revenue
would gain materially thereby, notwithstanding
what interested monopolists may say to the con-
trary. Lord ALTHORP may depend on it that one
shilling on all adveiti,ements under fifty or sixty
words, and one shilling and sixpence, or two still
ling:, on all above, would soon double the present
revenue.

Lord ALTHORP gave notice last night that
he should move, on the 30th current, for the
appointment of two select committees, severally to
inquire into the slice of agriculture, and of trade
and manufactures. The nature of the reports these
committees will make, will, of course, depend upon
the kind of persons of whom they are composed

It would be a novel, and perhaps, in some respects,
a u•eful experiment, to appoint a committee upon
trade and manufactures entirely from the agricul-
tural Members of the House, and vice versa;
otherwise it is clear that we may, without risk to
our characters as prophets, prognosticate !the cop-
ulas of the several reports. The agriculturalists
will swear that bread is too cheap, and the manu-
facturers that it is too dear. Those may not he
the precise words that will be used, but however
disguised the terms may be, that will be their sum
and substance. But let the plan we suggest be
adopted, and there is no saying that the corn mono-
polists may not at length be converted into free
traders!

The question of the ballot was last night lost in
the House of Commons by a majority of 105. The
numbers in favour of it were 106, those against it

211. By this it would appear that on the discus-
sion of the most important popular question of the
day, which is the natural sequel of reform, only half,
or less than half, a Reformed House of Parliament
were present ! This is an ominous fact. We in-
treat the people to ponder well on it, and the Poli-
tical Unions to take care that it does not slip out of
public recollection. There was no lack of attendance
when the Isiah Coercive Bill was in progress.
Hon. Members were diligent to a miracle in voting
and speechifying when the question was whether
or not Ireland should be bound hand and foot, and
surrendered over to the " tender mercies" of mar-
tial law ; but when the ballot comes under discus-
sion—that is to say when the theme for considera-
tion is whether or not a full stop shall be put to the
flagrant corruption that disgraces our representa-
tive system, and Reform be pressed forward to Its
natural, its inevitable result ;—then upwards of one
half a Reformed House of Parliament is reported
absent ! We have no patience with such a bare-
ac ed evasion of duty. It is culpable on any occa•