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London, England, 1851-02-08 00:00:00

laughter.) There are financial reformers present who may
draw on, among other things, the diplomatic allot sances
granted by this country. Now, I confess, that
so far as I can form an opinion from the ape-
rations of a distinguished amateur, I have been led -to the
conclusion that in the case of missions, whether open or
secret .- wh et her for war or peace, or evian for
religion, it would be better to employ the ser-
vices of a professional diplomatist. In my opinion
the course which her Majesty's Government are now
taking is not merely one very unsatisfactory as regards
the present, but extremely perilous for the future. I
think it a great evil, after all that has occurred, to baulk
the feelings of a nation ; but I regard that as a minor evil,
competed with the prospect which is held out to us by the
Noble Lord this evening of ulterior measures-(Hear, bear)
-and of future intentions. The Noble Lord seemed to me
to have chalked out for himself an illimitable career, which
to commence with petty prosecutions-(Hear, hear)-and
perhaps terminate with national disasters, while it can never
accomplish a solution worthy of a great statesman. and a
great public emergency. What is the prospect before us?
Suppose there is another Papal aggression, and by the en-
cooragement which the Roman Catholic prelates have re-
ceived, 1 think we may count on the probable cecurrenee
of such an event-(hear, hear, and a laugh)-there is, then,
to be another measure adapted to the new insult on the
supremacy of the Sovereign. We are then to have passions
still more embittered, prejudices still more excited, rancour,
hatred, fear, and the odium thcologicum, prevalent among all
classes, A new measure would probably produce another
aggression, another " blunder of the sudden ;" and these
" blunders of the sudden " may be perpetually recurring
year after year, to be met by some law " ot 'the sudden.'
We shall then have Whigs governing England by a continual
" Popish plot," which is never to be brought to a bead.
Sir, in my opinion the existence of a Roman Catholic
hierarchy, in a Protestant country, not recognized; by the
law, is a great political evil-(hear, hear.) To reconcile
the recognition of such a hierarchy by the law with a sacred
and complete respect for the civil and religious liberties of
Roman Catholics is a political problem very difficult to solve.
But although it is difficult to solve, its solution is not, in my
opinion, impossible; and that not by concordat with foreign
princes, but by the internal and essential power of the Eng-
lish Parliament.- (Hear, bear.) Ido not say that that is a
political difficulty which any conscientious statesman would
have courted-I do not mean to say that it is a subject which
a man would have gt ne out of his way to bring under pub-
lic notice; but I say this, that when a statesman has
taken the course which the Noble Lord has taken, he is
bound to attempt to solve that political problem--he is
bound to introduce a measure equal to the occasion, and not
to meet a great political emergency which he himself has
fostered, if not created-(Cheers)-by a technical remedy
unworthy of the dignity of Parliament, and of the occasion
which it pretends to cope with.-(Hear.) That is the view
which I take of the conduct of the Government. 1 will not
oppose the introduction of this Biil. I think its introduction
is the severest condemnation of their conduct for the last
three months.-(Hear, hear.) But if the House should pass
this Bill, let them remember that thereby they will have
done nothing. They will still be unable in any way to
cope with an exigency which they are bound to meet; and
all they will have done will be, that they will have gained
tune-too brief to count in the history of a nation- only to
have to encounter the same difficulties very shortly again,
aggravated by our inefficiency and the spirit with which we
first recognized our danger, and the craven manner in which
we afterwards shrank from meeting a difficulty we ourselves
had created.-(Cheers.)
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL was anxious not to give a silent
vote on this occasion. The question had now assumed an
aspect somewhat different from that which they were led by
the organs of Government during the recess to expect it
would assume. They had been led to believe that Ireland
would not be included in the Bill, but now they found Ire-
land was to be included; and for himself, he must say he
was not sorry for it, because he thought they
ought to share with their Catholic brethren of
England any restrictions imposed on them. More-
over, the Queen had supremacy over the Estab-
lished Church of Ireland, as well as over the Church
of England, and any violation of it in Ireland was as much
au offence as a violation of it in England. He denied that
those Catholics who approved of the recent proceedings of
Dr. Wiseman were to be considered as disloyal. There wise
no parallel between the late proceedings and the case sute
posed by the Noble Lord, of a person landing in England in
setting up the flag of a pretender. The Noble Lord had
referred to the 24th section of the Act of 1829,
which prohibited the assumption of the titles of Eng-
lish sees. One would almost suppose, from the constant
reference which had been made to that Act, that it had
been found efficacious, whereas 22 years had elapsed since
it was passed and it was regarded as a dead letter-a laugh-
ing-stock and not the terror of those it intended to restrain.
As for the proposed Bill, it would only create annoyance and
irritation. lie believed it would be a failure for good, but
not for mischief. The Noble Lord had alluded to the Irish
colleges. He would assure the Noble Lord if they were in
any danger it was from the proceedings of the Noble Lord
himself. He knew a great many men in and about Cork
who, up to November, had held very moderate opinions on
the subject of the colleges, but who, since the unfortunate
manifesto of the Noble Lord, had begun to change their minds
on the subject.
Sir R. INGLIS bad to ask the indulgence of the House
for a few seconds, as he could not allow the speech of the
lion. Member for Manchester to pass without remark. That
speech was nothing more nor less than a most elaborate
attack on the Church of England.-( Hear, hear.) In his
usual ad captandum style the Hon. Member had referred to
the proceedings of a clergyman of the name of Grill with
respect to the meeting-house to which the Hon. Member
belonged. The Hon. Member did not state whether the
clergyman bodily entered the meeting-house, or whether
the furniture was seized by ordinary process of law. if
wrongfully seized the process of law might be reversed.
But in point of fact it was well known to the Hon. Member
that the seizure was merely the mode by which the lawful
dues withheld by the body to which the flon. Member be-
longed were secured.-(llear.) With regard to the other
case brought forward by the Honourable Member, he had
never heard of it bgfore. Ile did not know under what cir-
cumstances the application was made, or what were Lord
Delawares functions. The usual custom was to forward
to the Secretary of State whatever was intended
tor presentation to her Majesty. The Honourable
Member alluded to what he called the bigotry of the
Church on this question. It was to the honour of the
Dissenters of England that the two first petitions presented
on the subject of this Bill were presented by the lion. Mem-
ber for Wolverhampton from the Dissenting congregations.
-(Hear.) With respect to what the Hon. Member had
said as to the emoluments, he called them the salaries of the
bishops. He had stated over and over again that there were
no such things as salaries bestowed by the Minister on
bishops or dignitaries of the Church. The whole that Par-
liament had done in that respect had been to lessen the
amount of the hereditary property of the sees. When the
Hon. Member talked of the salary of the Archbishop of Can-
terbnty being 15,0001., and asked if the Noble Lord was not
satisfied with that, be had to tell the Hon. Member that it
was only so much left out of that which was really due to
the Archbishop.-(Hear, hear.) With regard to the Hill
in question, he should not now discuss it. But after the
mention which had been made on both sides of the letter of
time Noble Lord, he should not be doing his duty
if he did not thank the Noble Lord for that let-
ter, for which not only the Protestantism of this
country, but the Protestantism of Europe, was much in-
debted, and also for the speech of the Noble Lord that night.
(Hear, hear.) He wished he could thank the Noble Lord
equally for the Bill lie had brought forward. He felt there
was too much truth in what had been stated by the Hon .
Member for Bucks, that the Bill fell short of the require-
ments of the case, but lie should perha pa be doing injustice
if he altogether decided against a measure not yet before
them.- (Hear, hear.) On the present occasion he was un-
willing to allow the speech of the Hon. Member for Man
cheater to pees unnoticed. If a stranger had entered the
House when the Hon. Member was speaking, he would
have fancied that the Hon. Member was making a. motion
for the abolition of the United Church of England and Ire.
land.-(Hear, hear.)
Mr. REYNOLDS moved the adjournment of the debate.
The SPEAKER was putting the question, when.
Lord J. RUSSELL said if it was the wish of any Hon.
Members to address the House oa this stage of the Bill, he
should not oppose the adjournment of the debate.
Mr. REYNOLDS knew several Hon. Members who were
anxious to speak on the question.
Mr. BIOOR E wished to know if the Noble Lord would
state the details of the Bill before the adjournment.
Lord J. RUSSELL could not well state the details of a
measure not yet before the House.
The debate was then adjourned.
Mr. HAWES obtained leave to bring in a Bill to amend
the Passengers Act.
The Bill was brought in and ordered to be read a second
time on Monday next.
The House then adjourned at a quarter past Twelve.
o'clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
LINCOLN SPRING MEETING.—FaIDAY.
Handicap Sweepstakes of se. soya,
Subseach, )
3 ft, and 26 added.
One mil(6 .
Mr. Robinson's Post-tempore, Bst 71b (Bumby) 1
Mr. Harrison's Swift, 7st 11b (Sabin 2
Mr. W. Neale's Calculator, sst 21b
Mr. J. Osbome's Oxford Blue, ist 51b... ..... --(Osborne 4
Mr. Cunningham's Psyche, 7st 21b (Charlton 5
Betting-5 to 4 agst Psyche, and 2to 1 apt Post-tempore.
Won by half a neck; the same between second and third.
The Hurdle Stakes, of 5 sous. each. Two miles, over five
hurdles. (14 Subs.)
Mr. Cunningham's Quadruped, lOst 31b ..viallsed over.
_
The Selling Steeplechase Stakes, of 5 boys each, ft, and
20 added. (5 Subs.)
Mr. J. Oliver's Fugleman, list 7lb ........... .... .(Owner 1
Mr. Hunter's Barkby, 71b ((Green 2
Mr. R. Walker's Dandy Jon, list 71b (Walker 3
Who Cares, list (Taylor), and Cleaver, list (G. Arran),
also started.—Won by a neck-
CHESTER CUP.
letter received from Mr. Topham, clerk of
It appears by a.a.v that John of Berwick was scratched
the course, 012
without the knowledge of the owner; this increases the
acceptances to B_3._
ARK
ASHDOWN P COURSING MEETING.
THIRD DAY,
The Ashdown Stakes - Second Ties.
Merry Lass bt Noon of Night.
Whiff
Manifesto bt Leoline Third Ti W
I bt Maggie Lauder
Jezabel bt Merry Lass.
The Craven Stakes—Third Ties.
Egypt bt Southgrove I Factotum bt Racer
Martinet ran a bye.
The Lamboum Stakes.
Mr. Holmes's Tartar bt Mr. Jenner's Jealousy.
Mr. James's Jetty Treffz bt Mr. Parkinson's Sample.

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LOSS OF THE BRIG LAUREL, OF GLASGOW WITH ,
ALL ON BOARD.—GLASGOW, EH. 6.—The vessel with which
the Thistle steamer came into collision in the Firth of Clyde
on Tuesday night, turns out to be the Laurel, of Glasgow,
from Demerara, inward bound, with a cargo of sugar and
molasses. This has been ascertained from part of the stern,
the master's desk, and
.a portion of the cargo having floated
ashore at Pladda. It is believed there were at least sixteen
hands on board belonging to the vessel, and one passenger,
all of whom have no doubt perished. The Laurel was up-
wards of 300 tons burthen, and was the property of Messrs.
J. and J, Campbell, of this city. Both hull and cargo are
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