The Sun.
London, England, 1833-11-07 00:00:00

BRUSSELS PAPERS.

Baussxt.s, Nov. 3.—M. d'Armin set out from Frank-
fort on the 31st of October for Brussels, where he is
expected to arrive at the beginning of next week.
A journal of Limburg sly!, " The Conferences of
Zoondhoven have been held for some days at Znlder, in the
country seat of Baron de Villenfague. Nothing his yet
transpired respecting the result of them ; but it appears
that an arrangement will be made on the two points of the
relief of the garrison of Maestricht, and the free navigatio❑
of the Meuse."

We have before us a resolution of the French Govern-
ment relative to the French officers who have entered the
service of Belgium by the orders of the Minister of War
himself. All the favourable conditions granted to those
officers by an ordinance of Louis Philip in 1831, to induce
them to come and serve in the army, are revoked, and in-
stead of them, conditions so far from equitable are substi-
tuted, that we are obliged, in the name of justice, to take
part with the officers so unworthily treated.
BRUSSELS, Nov. 5. —The Moniteur Beige says,
" Their Majesties the King and Queen of the Belgians
will arrive at Lacken on the 10th of this month in the
evening." Marshal Maison, who slept here last night,
has set ont this morning with his whole suite for St.
Petersburgh. An English Cabinet messenger passed through
this city yesterday morning, on his way from Frankfort to
London with despatches.
ANTWERP, Nov. 4.—The weather has been very bad
all yesterday and during the night. An Austrian brig
arrived without a pilot and escort, from Flushing, and an
English brig with its sea pilot on board, whom it had not
been able to put on shore. Several vessels have lost their
anchors and cables off Flushing.
The Messager de Gand contains a letter, in which
the manufacturers of that city declare, that, far from being
confident of disposing of their goods, they shall be obliged
to leave off work during the winter, unless circumstances
should become more favourable.

BELGIAN FUNDS.—BRusser.s, Nov. 5.
Actual Debt, 2% per Cent.
Rothschild's Loan, 5 per Cent 95
Loan of the City, 1832, 4 per Cent.
Ditto, Isal, 4 per cent.
--Brussels Papers, Nov.

ADDRESS of the SECOND CHAMBER of the
STATES GENERAL to the KING of HOLLAND.

THE HAGUE, OCT. 31.

SECOND CHAMBER of the STATES GENERAL.

A message from the First Chamber announced that it
had agreed to the address to his Majesty sent to it by the
Second Chamber. It is as follows:

" Sire,—lmportant as it is for the representation of
the loyal and generous Dutch nation to see your Majesty
in the midst of them, and to receive solemn communica-
tions from your own mouth, we are still more sensible of
it in the difficult crises in which our dear country is
placed by a concurrence of unheard-of circumstances.
" When we examine the course of foreign affairs, ac-
cording to the documents communicated to us by your
Majesty, these give us the painful conviction of it. If,
before the opening of last session, hopes appeared that we
should see the end of our difficult situation, how did
they vanish during the course of it, in consequence of the
unjust measures of coercion employed against us in a time
of profound peace; and if, on the cessation of them, our hopes
revived by the renewal of the negotiations, how painful was
it to learn that your Majesty's readiness to make concessions,
and your desire to bring matters to a conclusion, had
been met only by new difficulties. It is, however, en-
couraging to look back, on the exemplary patience, the
unalterable courage, and the manifold sacrifices of the
nation under the burdens which it so undeservedly bears.
With satisfaction it looks on the admirable conduct of its
seamen and soldiers, which has acquired them the respect
even of their enemies. It was the fulfilment of a sacred
duty, as well as a natural effect of the Dutch character,
to alleviate, as far as possible, the situation of the victims
of the unjust attack. Its own energy and independence
preserved the nation during these last years. Concord,
founded on confidence and respect for law and order,
supported it even without foreign aid. In the midst of
the agitation of the times, it has proved what a unani-
mous nation can do when it has to assert its dearest in-
terests. This will not be without fruit, should
even the calculations of foreign policy deceive
our just expectations. We still entertain the
hope that, by the wise conduct of the Government,
on which the people still firmly rely, an equi-
table and speedy arrangement, which is more and
more necessary, will crown eur tried firmness and your
Majesty's indefatigable efforts for the honour and welfare
of the country, and that we shall thus, at length, see the
accomplishment of the equitable arrangement of which
the last communications made to us by your Majesty again
hold out a favourable prospect.

. .
" We gratefully acknowledge, with your Majesty, the
blessing conferred on your House by the birth of a son of
the Prince of the Netherlands. The nation, faithfully
attached to the Royal House, rejoices at this happy event.
"It is encouraging to us that, amidst dangers and
wrongs from without, our internal affairs have a satisractory
prospect; that agriculture has been remarkably prosperous
this year; national industry improving, and trade and
navigation, after the suspension that had taken
place, very rapidly extending. We also feel great
satisfaction in the assurances given us by your Majesty,
of the attachment of the inhabitants of all our colonies to
the mother country, and of the prosperity of our East
India posses ions, which must have a powerful influence
on our own welfare.

" It was agreeable to us to be assured that your Majesty's
Government continues to introduce measures calculated to
simplify the internal administration. There had not only
been an improvement in the conduct of the administration,
in behalf of the inhabitants, and the interests of districts,
towns, and communes, but they may and niust promote
the retrenchments which are alone all imperatively neces_
sary in the situation of our finances.
•' We acknowledge your Majesty's continued attention
to the import int department of public instruction. May
the result be corresponding, so that Holland may, in this
respect, also maintain its ancient reputation, and the culti-
vation of arts and sciences, which is sealously prosecuted
in the midst of arms, continue to produce the desired
fruits.

" If we bad to congratulate ourselves at the conclusion
of the last winter, which had left our sea and river dikes
uninjured, we have had to lament the effects of the late
storms, by which some important dikes have been mate-
rially damaged.
We have received, with the greatest attention, what
your Majesty has stated to us respecting our financial
concerns. We hope and trust that, in proportion as the
continuance of the extraordinary circumstances in which
we are placed remains uncertain, every care will be taken
to limit the extraordinary expenses which these circum-
stances require to what is absolutely necessary. On this
account we saw with satisfaction the granting of furloughs
to the army, the continuance of the extension of which,
as far as circumstances allow, we consider to be desirable,
as a means well adapted, without weakening our military
force, to promote the great object of limiting the extraor-
dinary expenditure, and restoring the people to their
ordinary occupations.
" We shall consider, with the greatest attention, the
financial measures proposed to us, especially keeping in
view, as well the maintenance of public credit as the least
possible burdening of the people, by a well-regulated and
equitable system of taxation.
" The National Legislation will be again a subject of
our deliberations : we shall carefully examine the proposals
submitted to us by your Majesty on this subject, in order
to bring this important work nearer to a conclusion.

" Sire !—The States- General renew the solemn assur-
ance of their zealous co-operation in promoting the interest
of the kingdom. They cordially wish that this Sitting
may not pass over without bringing us to the end of our
precarious situation.

" Meantime, constantly proceeding with calmness, and
animated by the desire of promoting, in entire union with
your Majesty, the welfare of their fellow.countrytnen, they
will, with your Majesty, rely with unbounded confidence
on the Almighty for the future destiny of the Netherlands."
The Committee of the Second Chamber, which, with
that of the First Chamber, had waited on the King with
the above addres,, stated by its reporter that the deputa-
tion of the Chambers having waited on the King with the
address, the president had told his Majesty that it bad
been voted unanimously by both Chambers, and, after it had
been read, his Majesty had been p'eased to return the fol-
lowing answer :

freceive with satisfaction the address unanimously
voted by the States-General. This unanimity announces
to me the harmony of sentiment on which I had reason to
depend. It will serve me as an incitement vigilantly to
attend to the freedom, the dignity, and the essential in-
terests of the nation. I further depend on it, and hope
that, with the support of Providence, we shall see better
times, and continue to experience the truth o' the motto of
our forefathers : —Eendrayt Maaht Magt.—(Union Con-
stitutes Strength )
Tier HAGUE, OCT. 31. —His Royal Highness the Prince
of Orange returned to the head quarters at Tilburg last
Monday.
His Royal Highness Prince Frederick of the Nether-
landi has returned from his excursion to Gerunny, where

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LONDON,
THURSDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 7, 1833.

The address of the Second Chamber of the
States General to the King of HOLLAND, will be
found in another column of this day's Sun. It
is a mere echo of the message of the King, and
on the whole may be regarded as pacific.

We understand that the Spanish Minister,
the Chevalier de VIAL, has made rather an im-
portant discovery for his Government, during
the last few days. It having been reported that
a vessel was lading for a foreign port, under
mysterious circumstances, the Spanish Minister
made diligent inquiry, the result of which was
that arms and ammunition, to a considerable
extent, had been shipped for a Spanish port, by
some Carlist agents in this country. In conse-
sequence of this discovery, precautions have
been taken to prevent the cargo from falling
into the hands of the Carlists, and for laying
hold of the parties to whom it was consigned.

The accounts from Madrid, brought by the
last Paris mail, leave no doubt of the utter in-
efficiency of the means of the QUEEN REGENT
to put down the Carlist insurrection without
the aid of the Constitutionalists ; and of the
determination of the Government to conciliate
the latter by concessions which, although not
so extensive as they had a right to expect, are,
nevertheless, a total departure from the principles
of the manifesto put forth by the QUEEN on her
accession to power. She is said to have pub-
lished a political amnesty ; she has attempted the
disarmament of the Royalist: Volunteers—aforce
just as objectionable to all well-disposed persons
in Spain as armed bands of Orangemen were in
Ireland—and she has abolished some of the mo-
nopolies of the absolute system. All this is very
good as far as it goes ; but there are exceptions
from the amnesty which are discreditable to the
Government, and which must effectually prevent
that accession of strength without which the QUEEN
REGENT cannot hope to put down the insur-
rection. MINA, and many others, whose names
would rouse the Patriots of Spain to exertion,
are still in the list of exceptions. This is com-
plimentary to the vet eran and his partisans ; for
the Ministers of the Queen know that they
would not avail thems elves of any amnesty
which should not be intended as the firstsepe
step to
o
a Constitution ; but it is t:ast aml
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principles.
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Spain
the Spanish people. M. ZEA foolishly imagines
thatHe will
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there are no juste milieu materials. Carlism
and Constitutionalism are the only principles
which can be said to be represented by a party,
and for one of there the Queen Regent must
failed,
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CARLOS as the head of Carlism. She will not
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which could only be enforced, and then partially,
by the presence of a French army—a course to
which our Government have objected, and
which would probably have:the effect of making

the Carlists and Constitutionalists unite in re-
sisting the intervention. The day of triumph for
the Constitutionalists must, however, soon arrive.
No account appears yet to have reached
Paris of the entry of SAARSFIELD into
Vittoria. Some of the Paris Journals have
inferred from this that he has met with unex-
pected obstacles, but it would be as reasonable
to conclude that he was proceeding cautiously
in order to prevent any injury to the Govern-
ment on a point so important, by any hasty
movement.

Among the minor matters to which we hope
the attention of the House of Commons will
be directed next session, is the coming to some
immediate arrangement with respect to moving
for returns. The propositions which have been
made for supplying the House with statistical
information cannot, we fear, be carried into
effect for some time, and they apply only to
general information. Sometimes returns con-
cerning points of local interest are called for,
at an expense enormously beyond the advantage
to be derived from them. At other times,
returns on matters of public interest are moved
for in such a form as to render them
quite useless. Were a Committee appointed to
examine the nature of every return called for,
and to put it into the least expensive shape, the
thoughtlessness of members would receive a be-
neficial check. We have been induced to make
these remarks from perceiving► the enormous
expense to which the country must have been
put by the printing of a return, moved for by
Mr. WILKS, relating to the Courts of Requests
in the metropolis. The return is of "all cases
heard and determined in the several Courts of
Requests in the cities of London and West-
minster, the borough of Southwark, and
parts adjacent, in the counties of Middlesex
and Surrey, including the Palace Court and that
of the Tower Hamlets, for one year, ending the
31st December, 1831, specifying all the judg-
ments made in each Court, the amounts of each
claim, the sum awarded, and stating whether
paid, whether the party was distrained upon or
sent to prison ; stating the amount of fees paid
in each case, and the lengths of imprisonment
adjudged in each case ; also stating what salaries
are paid to each of the officers, and the amount
in hand, if any." No doubt the conclusions Mr.
WILLS wished to draw from these documents
are very important ; but he could never have
reflected upon the useless mass of details he was
calling fur. Had he called for an account
of the total number of cases heard and deter-
mined, dividing them into classes, every useful
end would have been attained, and the return
might have been made on half a dozen sheets of
paper at the most. Instead of that, we have a mass
of insignificant details, without one total, and,
consequently, useless, without undergoing the
labour of counting up each separate item.
What this would amount to may be conjectured,
when we state that the folio before us contains
558 pages, the greater part with fourteen
columns of figures, &c. The mere expense of
printing could not have been far from 1,0001.,
not to mention that of three or four cart loads
of paper.

The Morning Advertiser, alluding to our
statement respecting the negotiation between the
British and French Cabinets for placing the
commercial relations of the two countries on a
more liberal footing, says--

'‘ Our contemporary states that he speaks from ' good
information;' and we believe that perfect reliance may be
placed on what he has stated. We cannot bring ourselves
to believe, however, that the negotiations of Mr. Poulett
Thomson have been directed to those points only which
have been adverted to by our contemporary; for although
there is unquestionably no branch of industry in which
we could carry on a more successful trade with France
than in iron, there are, certainly, many others with which
we might entertain a profitable exchange of commodities
with her. No part of our manufacturing industry is, for
example, in greater request, or more highly prized, in
France, than our cutlery of all descriptions ; but the quan-
tity of it which is consumed there is extremely limited,
and is mainly indebted for its introduction to the smuggler.
Such also is the case with our manufactures of cotton—of
our mixed products of cotton and silk and wool,—in all
of which we possess as decided a superiority over our
Gallic neighbours as they surpass us in laces, jewellery,
and some other articles. lf, therefore, they will not as-
sent to a reduction of duty upon what would unquestion-
ably prove the most.profitable article of manufacture and
expert to us—iron—why not endeavour to effect an ar-
rangement for the introduction of those to which we
have alluded ? We are not aware that a reduction of the
duties on French wines or French brandies would make
any material difference either to our imports, in the one
case, from Portugal, or, in the other, to the manufacturers
of British spirits; but certain we are that any arrange-
ment which may be entered into with the French Go-
vernment, embracing a reduction of the duties on the ar-
ticles to which we have alluded, would be a great boon to

the trade of this country—a great benefit to-the working
classes—the material of the articles being mainly British,
and the value arising principally from the labour bestowed
upon them."

We have reason to believe that the points
alluded to by the Advertiser have not been
overlooked, and, concurring as we do with him,
in the observations which he makes, we hope
the exertions of Mr. POULETT THO MSON
will be crowned with success. The great diffi-
culty will be in convincing the French people
that the prohibitory system is not beneficial
for themselves, and that the wisest course for
them is to take from foreign countries at a
cheap
rate rate,by wha
t can
themselves.
Everybody
knows a a t
with thr
what obstacles the free trade principle had to
contend here, and we must not expect that
what was the work of years in England will be
the affair of months in France. It is gratifying,

however, to know, that many of the large towns
in France have already expressed their desire
to have a more liberal system of commerce
adopted between Great Britain and France ; and

in a short time the views of the French Govern-
ment, which, to do it justice, seems anxious to
forward the work of general improvements, will
probably be appreciated throughout France.
A better proof perhaps cannot be given of the
folly of the restrictive law in France, than the
fact that at this moment three large towns in
Normandy are desirous, but unable to introduce,
the superior and economical mode of lighting by
gas, on account of the heavy duty on English
coal, which is treble that upon coal imported
from Belgium. This, however, is only one in-

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stance of more than fifty of the injury which th°
restrictive system imposes upon France.

Among the Parliamentary Papers which ha.lnes
been lately printed is one showing the reeeirti
and expenditure of the county rates through:o
England and Wales for the several Years
tween 1821 and 1832. It is an inirrtf
document, but would have been more so, haulll
uniform plan been pursued in makingtit
words particulars. As it is, although it
words of the order are sufficiently explicit' t
stupidity of some of the returning officers has!o
in a hodge podge, from which it is next t°
possible to extract any useful conclusion• Th
sj
part of the return relating to the prison egeneo
of the different counties, for instance, if Pe tH
rf
f
would be most useful, but there are fell ° , 0
counties which present so clear an account 116
enable us easily to compare one with ao°t
The same observation may be made with rteler
to vagrants. The order directed that the
penses incurred on account of Scotch, Irittea,
English vagrants respectively should be str
the
but many of the returns take no notice ° lace
distinction, and some of them that do de.:es,
they cannot make any. Sufficient aPrt-de,
however, to prove that the absurd law of se
ment , by which we fetter the free circulati°n
labour, is producing it s natural effect in mural
ways than one. Not only does the law ei s ~e
hl
Clement occasion the poor's rate of each P3lO-0
to be half as high again as it otherwise viard
be—for without it parishes would be ouleed
to make their paupers work more, and t°
them worse, instead of letting them vvorlt,
and feed better than the industrious ineerov
dent labourer—but it throws upon every eei.
an enormous expense in the shape of tray- sot
expenses. Every Scotch or Irish labourer the
comes over for the harvest is carried back °too
charge of the public. Either they seep,.
their earnings in gin, knowing they will hedi to
veyed home free of cost, or they save o°4,
pay their landlords' extortionate rent. In; i$
and 1822, the charge for vagrants aPPe'"j
most of the counties exceedingly high. but
two or three years afterwards it is moderate'ooo
it then began to rise, and has steadily tioPtifig
ever since. Last year the cost of re°l,L° is
vagrants in the county of Berks was 1,25'1' in
Bucks, 8 361. (a few years back only 20°1'it,;0),
Cam bridgeshire (excluding certain bundrifsjh
3691., of which 3071. was for Scotch and oei
vagrants, the number passed having incire6l2;
between 1824 and 1832, from 194 to ; 00;
in Cheshire, 880/. ; in Cornwall, which 1%01
of the line of march of most extra cc's./
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2 0
paupers, the charge was last year only ,r
in Devon, 4761., of which 1841. were °°9sl
count of Scotch and Irish paupers; in it
Essex, 3881., the several numbers 0t pod
vagrants, given being 66 Scotch, 287 Irish, 48
375 others ; in the West Division the clifroto
is only 981. ; in Gloucestershire the charge_io
1224/. ; in Hants, for Scotch and Irish al.
453/. ; in Hertfordshire the charge is 904
the small county of Huntingdon 6281., 114$10
been between 1001. and 2001. a few years ha-the
in Kent it was 16531; in Leicestershire 160' Of
number of Scotch vagrants being 589, 0105
Irish 130; in Middlesex the charge for iih
conveyance and subsistence of Scotch and log
vagrants alone was last year 2,9501.,
gradually increased to that amount from - bit
which it was in 1824: in that year the nuiril to
passed was 2,346, in 1831 it amountotect
9,281, and in 1832 to 9,576 ; in fact a Peifjog
army. Whilst the county pays the traTeifot
expenses of these pleasure taking pauPers 411°
the greater part of them are regular stagers' blip
make an annual trip to London at the Pbt
expense,) it is 244,9851. in debt. We
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go on through the returns, quoting sive
figures from almost every page : but webe
said sufficient to show that something mimeo'
speedily done to check the devouring eel (Or
tailed upon us by the mal-administration °
poor law and law of settlement.

The parish of Bethnal-green has beenibilvi:oc;
time in a state of great agitation on the su
of the Church-rate levied upon the inhel'itsolo
They have lately refused to pay them, t'n
ground of their being illegal, and we arefiere
formed that nearly a thousand summonsese
lately issued, to compel payment. Yester oof
petty sessions was held at the vestry-0,
Ithe parish, to hear the appeal against the el'
Mr. OWEN appeared as solicitor for the /wig
!ants, and stated that the Church' for
had taken upon themselves to pay the j-,,0051'(
4001. per annum out of the rates, talt".o
the Act of Parliament regulating the 0'11"
the parish, expressly provided that the ge
salary should be paid out of certain eollect"
solPf
made on account of small tithes, funerals, the
bells, &c. The Vestry-clerk contended t"-se
vestry, having consented to the rate, the.o"
trates had nothing to do with its 01:113,11},corcle
The Bench, however, decided that a nor'%
rate could not be collected to pay the Mil' swirl
stipend, and dismissed the whole of the
mouses. When the refusal to make evtt VI:
rate is becoming so common, it was ret"o,7o.-
in the Churchwardens and Rector to venture The,
the experiment of collecting an illegal 00e. 041"
AOO sly
abuse had existed for some years, z'cl ttlist
have gone on for some years longer, ha' s
confounded spirit of inquiry which 13'3100J
put an end to so many snug things, madel

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