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London, England, 1834-08-13 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,

HOUSE OF CUM ,MOMS.
THIS DAY, WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at twentyminutes past twelve.
Mr. F. SHAW presented petitions from Clonmel and the
diocese of Lismore, in support of the Established Church.
Mr. EWING presented a petition from the merchants and
others of Glasgow in favour of the Bankruptcy Lill.
Mr. SINCLAIR would take that opportunity of returning
thanks to his Honourable Friend the Member for Glasgow for
the pains and attention he had exhibited in carrying through
the Bankruptcy Bill.

Colonel PgRCE VAL presented a petition signed by
7,000 Peers, grand jurors, and extensive landed proprietors of
the county of Cork, which disproved the assertion of his Ma-
jesty's Cabinet, that the landholders and landed proprietors of
Ireland were in favour of that Bill which so happily met its
fate in the other House on Monday night—( Hear, hear.)
The petition was in favour of the integrity of the
Church Establishment as regarded its revenues and its
connection with the State. 'I he petition deprecated
that unhallowed commission, for so he would call it, that had
been issued by his Majesty's Government, to inquire into the
revenues of the Established Church, and which he was so de-
lighted to have the sanction of the greatest ornament of the
English bar and bench for terming illegal. The petition fur-
ther deprecated the abstraction of one-fifth of their incomes
from the clergy. If tithes were not paid in Ireland, on the
heads of his Majesty's Government be it ; but he (Col. Per-
ceval) would maintain, that if the laws were supported, tithes
would be paid as willingly as ever in Ireland.—( Much laugh-
ter.) The exertions of the clergy to support the„laws and
maintain the institutions of the country, had been billy repaid
by motions such as that of the Hon. Member for St. Alban's
(Mr. Ward) for the spoliation of their property ; while on the
contrary, those who bad outraged the laws and fostered rebel-
lion, had met with encouragement and support.
Mr. O'RE IL L Y said they had just heard a very eloquent
dissertation upon the Bill which he (Mr. O'R.) would say
had so unhappily met its fate in the other House—( Hear,
hear)—although he could not learn that the petition con-
tained any allusion to that Bill. The Hon. and Gallant Co-
lonel had objected to the 40 per cent. deduction from tithes,
but with all his indignation against it, he had forgotten to vote
against that clause.—( Hear, hear.) He (Mr. O'R.) depre-
cated that species of loyalty which flowed not from principle
or religion, but which was conditional, and depended upon the
ascendancy and supremacy of a particular party. The Hon.
and Gallant Colonel should, however, take care, that while advo-
cating the lawful doctrine of ascendancy, he did not endanger
the peace and safety of Ireland ; for he ( Mr. O'R.) looked with
great apprehension to that country until the next meeting of
Parliament. It had been very insolently whispered out of
the walls of that House, that the representatives of the pro-
perty in Ireland had voted against the Tithe Bill ; but he
(Mr. O'R.) would ask how much of that property was
affected by mortgages and judgments ?—( Hear, hear.) And
he would fearlessly place the supporters of the Bill, in point
of property, against those who had opposed it, and he had no
doubt the balance would be vastly in favour of the sup-
porters of the Bill, and against the boasted representa-
tives of property.—( Hear.) The Church was put forward
upon all occasions as a sort of stalking-horse, but it was
what he (Mr. O'Reilly) would call the unhallowed ascendancy
of party, and the maintenance of those last strong-holds of
corruption, the corporations, that Hon. Members had in view,
when they raised the cry of danger to the Church.
Mr. WARD trusted that the results of the commission
would be as beneficial to the country as the Hon. and Gallant
Member for Sligo had anticipated they would be injurious.—
( Hear' hear.) It would, he hoped, put an end to that ac-
cursed system which had so long distracted and divided Ire-
land. As to the rejection of the Bill, to which the Hon. and
Gallant Member had alluded, ere six months elapsed he
prophesied that that Hon. and Gallant Member would come
back to that House with the bitterest repentance. —( Hear, and a
laugh.) With respect to the personal allusions to himself,
he would only say, that in consequence of the turn events had
taken, before a fortnight of the next Session would elapse, he
would call upon the House to take the state of the Church
Establishment into its consideration, and impress upon it the
absolute necessity and right of the Legislature to control and
regulate its revenues.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. SIN C L AIR thought the other House had discharged
its duty, and redeemed its character by throwing out the Bill.
The enemies of the Church would, he feared, never be satis-
fied so long as the Church had a privilege to forfeit or pro-
perty to lose. In a short time the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ber for Dublin would call for further concessions, and assail
the shattered fabric of the Church with all the force of his
eloquence, calling upon that House to reduce still further
the members and the revenues of an establishment that had
been bedewed with the tears of Ireland, and had fattened
on her blood.—( Hear, and laughter.) They would at length
find themselves in the O'Connell omnibus, with the Hon. and
Learned Member for Tipperary on the steps behind ; before
they had got two-thirds of the journey they would cry out to
the coachman to stop and let them out ; but they would be
hurried on at a railroad pace to the goal of Church annihila-
tion.—(Laughter, and Hear.) He had always been the
friend of civil and religious liberty ; he had supported Catholic
Emancipation in 1812, not in the halycon days of the Duke of
Wellington ; he had supported the cause of Reform, not
only in the days of Lord John Russell, but during the
Tory sway of Lord Liverpool, but he did not like to see
anarchy introduced into the Church, and he was surprised that
orthodox Dissenters should unite with the enemies of the
Church to effect its destruction. Let the orthodox Dissenter
and the Churchmen unite. Yonder (pointing to the Treasury
benches) was the Socinian—yonder the Papist—( Oh, oh 0--
yonder the enemy of the Church—those were the enemies of
the Reformed Church, and he hoped that all friends of the
Church would unite for its preservation.

POTTER denied that there was a tendency to in-
fidelity amongst the Dissenters, and he said that it was very
unfair for the Dissenters to be attacked in that House, where
they had no opportunity of defending their doctrines.
Sir E. CODRINGTON regretted that the Irish Tithe
Bill had been lost in the other House, as he thought its re-
jection would be deeply injurious to the Established Church.
He could not understand how any Hon. Members could con-
gratulate themselves upon the rejection of this Bill, which he
looked upon as a most serious calamity.
Mr. F. SHAW said, that however large might have been
the majority in this House in favour of this Bill, it was the
duty of any individual Member who was opposed to it to express
his opinions upon it. The Bill did no good--it left all
the existing objections to tithes standing, and merely
took a certain portion of their present legal income from the
clergy and put it into the pockets of the landlords. He did
not, however, object to the amount of tithe proposed to be left,
for he did acknowledge that it might be considered as a bribe
to the clergy, at least for the present year, but he objected to
the principle of the Bill, which was one of direct spoliation.