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be voted but •the Provision for the Serviees, voted:
in the 'Cottimittee of Supply. . What his Right
llonourable Friend meant to propose was, not
to .vote a Supply for the Public Services of the
year, but to provide for the Interest ,of the .7.itist-
ing,Debt of Ireland. -The practice in the two
countries differed : it was usual in Ireland to pro_
.vide annually for the permanent charges ; in this
country, they were provided for at once. In the
last year, it was thought proper, under the cir-
cumstances of the times, to follow the practice of
the Parliament of Ireland, by only voting the Re-.
venue Bills, of Ireland for one year. The causes
which led the House to adopt that mode of pro-
ceeding last year, would, in his opinion, induce the
House to aCt in the same manner
,on this occasion.
It was not necessary for him to state the reasons why
he thought the House ought to follow the example
of' last year, as they had been very,ably enumerated
by Isis Right Hon. Friend (Mr. CORRY.) The only
difference between the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr,
FOSTER) and him was this, the. Right Hon. Gen-
tleman thought it necessary that
_there should be a
previous Vote in a Committee of Supply ; on the
other hand he contended that they could not be
voted 'in a Committee of Supply, because they
were not- for the current service of the year,
but to defray 'the Interest of the Debt of Ireland,
and that it would consequently have.been irregu-
lar and disorderly to propose them in the. Com-.
mitee of Ways and Means. •
Mr. FOSTER said, that it was,the practice in
Ireland, always, in. the first instance, to vote the in.
terest of the debt in the Cominittee•of Supply, •. He
did not mean at 'present to go into the 4ubjed, but.
he certainly admitted that the Horse could not be
too liberal in satisfying the Public Creditors.—He
merely meant to object to this plan of voting such a
number of duties and taxes in the bulk, so as 'to
prevent the House from examining into them in de.
tail. He should not of pose continuing these dutieS,
under the present circumstances, for two months, but
lie thought it irregular to' vote therniot the whole
year. _

Lord .CASTLEREAGH said, he did not see the
force of his Right Hon. Friend's obje&ion, because
in voting the continuance of these duties, the House
could not grant a greater supply than had already
been voted. At an early period of the Session a
Supply for three months was voted, and afterwards
there was another vote of Supply for two months.
Therefore, the House was at present in the-situation
of having voted. the Supplies for Ireland, at least as
far as related to the Military Service, which was
the most important, for five months ; now these
Supplies, together with the permanent charges, the.
amount of which was before the House, would
amount- to a larger sum than the duties which.
it was now proposed to vote, therefore the
Ways and Means would, at most, do no more
than cover the Supplies ry)ur voted. It was
true that in the Irish Parliament the provision for
the Interest of the National Debt, and the Sinking
Fund, was always voted in the Committee of Sup_
ply, but it really always appeared to his} to be a
very strange proceeding to vote that annually
which was acknowledged to he a permanent charge :
he always considered it as a mere matter of form,.
not founded either in justice or necessity. There
was no substantial difference between the cotnniit-
tee of Supply and a Committee of the whole Hot4e,
because it was open to any Member to*ost any
of these duties, as well in a Committee of the Whyrle
House as in'a Committee of Supply:
The CHANCELLOR "of the EXCHEQUER.
rose to explain. "It appeared that the permanent
charges of Ireland, for which they were to provide,
amounted to 3,493,960. and for this charge. a pro-
vision could not he made in the Comthittee of Ways
and Means. The Military Services being for the
current service of the year, must be voted in the
Committee of Supply, and afterwards provided for
iu a Committee of Ways and Means.
Mr. YANSITTART said, :he saw n6sobienion
to the present mode of proceeding, which he con-
tended was perfeetly regular.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee,
ir. HODHOUSE in the Chair.

Mr. CORRY said, that after what had passed
upon this occasion, and last Session, it would be un-
necessary for him tq obtrude himself upon the Com--
mittee, by going into any detail upon the subject
he should, however, he ready to enter. into any ex_
planation in his power, if any Member required it ;
at present, however, he should move the Resolutions
without furthei preface.
Mr. Coital' then moved the following Resolu_
tipns, which were agreed to :
That the. Duties continued by an Aa, of the last
Session of Parliament, entitled, an Aft for continu-
ing certain MIS of the Parliament of Ireland- for
continuing certain Duties, which had not been re-
pealed by any other AEI, should be further con-
tinued.

That the several Als of the last Session of Par-
liament, for continuing certain Laws for the better
colledion of the Revenue of Ireland, 4liouid be far-
ther continued,. .

The House being resumed, the 'Report was or-
dered to be received to-morrow.

A Message from the Lords, informed the House
their. Lordships had agreed to the Greenland Whale
Fishery Bill, and to several private Bills.
The Mutiny Bill was read a third time and
passed.
Mr. SARGENT presented an Estimate of the
charge of the Office of Ordt,ance, for the months of
April and May 18oz.
Sir W. LEMON brought up the Report of the
Clergy Non-Residence Bill, . which was read and
agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third
time to-morrow.

Mr. it. ELIOT brought up the Marine Mutiny
Bill, which was read a first time, and ordered to be
read a second time to.anorrow.

Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of
.the Bencoolen Bill, which was read and agreed to,
and .the Bill ordered to be read a third time to.
Morrow.

The House resolved itself into a, Committee, to
consider of the appointment of an Inspetior of cer-
tain Felons under sentence of transportation, when
a Resolution was agreed to, Empowering His MA-
J FSTY, to appoint such an Inspeetor, with a Salary
not exceeding 3501. per Annual.

The House being resumed, the RePort "vi' or.
dered to be received to-morrow.

TRINIDAD. Tice,
Mr. CANNING said, he rose to give no Ti
that he -should on Fridak next, move for certain 11:'t
formation relative to the cultivation and population
_;
the Island of Trinidad. The Information was wil'us
he wished to have legally in his possession, prev i°
to thaking the Motion of which he had given ns;
Lice, respeaing the sale of the unclaimed lands I
that Island. •

INCOME TAX. 110 '
Mr. JONES said, he did not mean to go 1°- of
into the subjed of the propriety or itnproprietYfbr
the Income' Tax, as he merely meant to rnove,,,r,
Papers; but he did hope that the Right Hon•
dental) who brought in .the Tax, would havhe, been
in his place, to attend to the observations wlc`/-ete
(Mr. JoNEs) should make upon that subjeCt•
t
did state at the time the Tax was brought in) ,
it was very good in. theory, but, that it very cola y
monly
_happened, that what was. good the°,..o,
proved very different in pradice. It was dernvere
stratively proved, that theory, and pradie6 be
almost continually at variance; and he thougd`rpc
might fairly state, io this instance, that the Ince°ico
Tax, though the Yen', best in' theory, was in P.", 3it
the very worst. "Ilie Tax appeared to hint in r'but 1
to .be founded in error; he might be wrong' To, II
he begged leave to refer to an Ad of Wilha'n `4735
ch. 97, in which there was- a Clause, (which sei,
read from the Table, and which enacted,tha,t not
titer the Corporation of the Bank of Englann&to
any Proprietors of Bank Stock should be livhat.
any Tax or Rate on account of such Stock') thatt
seemed to imply that the' Income Tax, was in his
instance, at. least, ,founded in error. It In
wish to call 'the attention 'of the House to the "but
jed, though he. would not enter into it now' A by
he I had hoped ,that this TaX .would have cease", to
this time as-a-War.Tax,; it-seemed however yeAirao
be uncertain whether we were at Peace or„ficp
He wished to see at least a considerable (Oct,' hen
don of the Tax .take place, before the time
it would •be out of his power to call the atstell'aa
of the House to the subjed. He had heartifithe
he ,had -appealed to an Hon. Alderman, one „° jet •
City Members, for the truth of the infert)l"tt, to
that the City of London were about to n''' et
'consider of this momentous subject. If the tele, !
and decided wish of the people should once 11e
old
elated in favour of the ;repeal of this Tax, it ‘i6:l
li be wally unnecessary for::hiai to call the acre 11e
of the House for one moment.to the subieet°
caosnstildweremdosttheflatgaxraanst
place. He should move for Papers, he said,' ts,..
of which were already upon the 'fable of the 14°,?,e
He concluded by moving for' an Account 01 '0
total Produce of the Tax upon Iticonie, as f,3.
,i 1;
the same couki be made up and estimated, 'Jl5'6;l;
guishing the amount returned to the Cumniet
.aintavxasitioin)osn commono honeto
Commissioners.'
EVER. BUXTON said, he objcded to the NJ% V
it bad, trir
t
because he thought such a Motion ought
pressed at the present moment, when the r'f%,
Hoi. Gentleman (the CHANcet.Lor: of the ten 1
CHEQUER) had requested, that ail Motions 00
the subject,"
might be deferred until it w' „Icn Ii
what were the' Ways and Means a tile ye-ro.
oft 0
the Right Hon. Gentleman (the CFrOcEiL: thirl
al
the EXCHEQUER) did not bring forward • bit
upon the subject, when he brought forwar
Taxes, then he (Sir R. BUXTON) might c°ncti:rnatior'
the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Josas,) any 'flt
for the modification of the .Tax., but at Prese":l by
did not sec that any objeel was to be attals—Geo'
prodhcing the papers moved for by the 14,,""1
tleinon, unless it was the ernbarrasstnentf n'"
~pose
jest) 's Ministers, and therefore he should Ct
the Motion. r tr, I? 5'
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ‘'`,cirll°
he so far coincided with- his Hon. Friend t'fierto° H
ERT BUXTON) as to wish , the Hon. Ger.;4oti°,ll;
(Mr. JoNEs) would at least postpone his in t"-
It Was his intention to submit to the Hotice' fel"'
course of the ensuing week, several MotintlGeette,;
tive to the Income Tax, and, if
man was not satisfied with those iVlotions,
make any supplementary one. lie thought 1,1,p11"
He could not be charged, he said, with atniat
to _withhold information from that House/ s teoet
could. not help obsetyin, th'at if an order vl'iou,
in and
pursuance of the Hon. Gatticman's Ittit ;
would be extremely diffieuit to comply
it surely would have been much better for ,
Gentleman to move.for an account of the stnni there,.
'paid, than to confound it with an estimate °f before
warning produce. It wag his intention, 35 Ile 111cva,fr
stated, to move for information upon the
and which would be much more minute th',e6t t°
called for by the Hon. Gentleman, with relitl/he
the different classes by whom the Tax "la' rot b,
He begged it to be understood, howeve'',.
said nothing about the Repeal of the Tax, only
ever might be brought forward would have °NI;
view its modification. .„ t
`llti I
o Mr. JONES expressed himself a'n-111 06)g
the Hon. Gentleman (Sir ROBERT 13LT:cr° ",
say that no Member of that House .ougl."
forward any Motion for the Repeal ot a d, htLtt,
cept His Majesty's Ministers. fie
ever, listen to the suggestion of the Right ' t I
tlernan the CHANCELLOR of the Exc 0211' r
Sir ROBERT BUXTON said, he !fad
any. such expression, his opinion being (join odo
opposite to that attributed to him ht
ore'c
Gentleman. ,011
Mr. Alderman CURT:IS 'thought it i:
hardship upon the City Members robe ,
so repeatedly for infOrmatibn, partictddrili;.l-101',,f
was out of their power to give it. o°' ie3111,;(
tleman had talked, upon a former evening, )3atl t'-cor
them to the Bar to answer interrogatori'
an Hon. Member. (Mr. JON es), called ty•
lale~ti6o
L'E'L'cli,
information relative to a--I'vlacting in rhe,
could assure tharflon. Get-aka:3n that h- 0:11:tt vf
thing about the Meeting alluded to, eNceibic:Pl4
had seen in the Public Papers., He sl"lluvery 1)01ifr
ready to ve every information in his Pc' asses!
could not give information when he did ontls: motto
Mr. Jo Nis then agi-eed to withdraw. hl
LINEN MANUFACTURE OF I nOf sc. se
I Mr. FOSTER rose to make the 11'41° h.ti°; /VPl'r
he had given notice, relative to the