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sessed under tho authority of this Aat, in rover, of ao
hou•e or other bonding, sfiA prevent any person from
beitg adrnrriea wr ret on the regfsf.nr or list of per-
sons ehtided to vo:e in the et mi.!) of a Member or Mem-

bers to serve in Parliament for any city or borough, or
from volirg at any rub election." The Hon. Gentle-

men raid )hat ae tle Government call, d themselves re-
formers, he asked them to be con,ii-ent with thems,lvea
in supporling his proposiiion. The clause was (me taken
from the Income dud Pr.perty Tax Act. lie merely
wanted them to observe the same principle in this Bill
which the late Sir R. Peel recognised in the clause he in-
troduced in the Act rf Grred to.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was at
loss to know where the hardship was in compelling those
who claittoid a right to vote to pay a tax in order to give
them the right. He thought that taxation and represen-
tation ought to go together.
Mr. HUME bud ih,The with whom ho generally acted
were in favour of household suffrage without reference
to taxatio❑ at all. They had laws to enforce the pay-
ment of taxes, and they ought not, therefore, to mix and
confound those laws with tout respectability which at-
taches to the oceunation of a house.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE did not exactly know what the
opinions of the present Chancellor of the Exchequer
were upon this subje,et in 1841; but the Government of

that day, with whom the Right Hon. Gentleman gene-
rally acted, obtained much Mat in their vindication of
that principle. He only opposed the principle of making
the payment of assessed taxes a condition of registration.
What the public wanted was the repeal of the window-
tax, unalloyed. They did not want this chicory kind of
legislation to follow in the tread of it.— (Laughter.)
They would have been better pleased if the Government
repealed only one-half of the window duty upun one
year, and the other half in the following year.
Mr. BROI BERTON supported the clause, which he
thought perfectly reasonable.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the clause ... 60

Against it
Majority against the clause ... —59
Sir DE LACY EVANS then moved the following
clause:—" That in the case of any premises occupied with
a dwelling-house, and heretofore exempt from the rate or
duty in respect of the windows or lights therein, and
which premises shall be assessed to the rate or duty
herein imposed, it shall be lawful for the occupier of such
premises to require that the dwelling-house occupied with
such premises shall he assessed at the beforementioned
rate or duty of 9d., and thereupon the said premises shall
not Le liable to any rate or duty." This clause would
exempt manufacturers with large premises, who bad
hitherto been exempted from the window duty from the
operation of this tax. He thought it but fair and rea-
sonable that such warehouses as coach builders, uphol-
sterers, carpet-maker a, and others of thi. class, should
be free from toe enereasusly heavy lax which this Bill,
in the first instance, proposed to impose on them. •
Mr. W. WILLIAMS thought it only just to place the
proprietors of those warehouses in the same condition ist
which they were midi-al.-the window duty.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was of
opinion that if they made any .uch eke retie', as was now
proposed, they would be opening the door to much diffi-
culty and abuse. There were already decisions of the
courts of law upon this point, which was raised under the
former house-duty, and it would be will to avoid doing
auything that would have the effect of disturbing these
decisions. If these warehouses were part and parcel of
a dwelling-house, he did not see how any distinction could
ne teed' to resie-et of them, and if they were separates
they would he exempt by the Act itself.
Sir DE LACY EVANS would not press his proposi-
tion to a division.
The clause was then negatived without a division.
The preamble. of the Bill having been agreed to, the
House resumed, and the Chairman reported the Bill to
the House.
The third reading was fixed for to-morrow (Tuesday).
WOODS AND FORESTS BILL.
The House then went into Commi tee on this Bill.
Clauses 5 to 10 were agreed to with amendments.
Clauses 11, 12, 13, 14, refrrring to the appointment 0
a depul surveyor and an itinerant surveyor, gave rife
to a desultory conversation, as to whether they should be
retained or expunged. They were ultimately agreed to
with amendments.
On clause 15, which provides that the Home Secretary
and the President end Vice-President of the Board of
Trade shall be ex officio Commissioners of works and
public buildings,
Lord DUNCAN urged the propriety of omitting the
clause altogether after the experience they bad had of
the mode in which the works at the new Houses of Par'
liament were carried on, and that the Chief Commis'
stoner should have an undivided reap risibility.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that this clause was inserted in tl-de Bill merely to pre-
vent an hiatus in the board, and was not intended in
any way to shift the responsibility from the Chief
Commissioner.
The clause was agreed to.
On clause 16,
Lord DUNCAN asked if it was intended by the
Commissioners to pay their legal advisers by salaries or
by bills of costs ?
Lord SEYMOUR replied that, undoubtedly his
opinion was, that the solicitors both of woods and of
public works should be ptid by salaries.—(Hear.)
The clause was agreed to, as were also the succeed-
ing clausi s to the 21st inclusive.
On clv.use 22 bi lug proposed,
Lord DUNCAN asked it the estimates for the lodges
would be submitted to the House at the same time as the
other expenses of the parks ?
Lord SEYMOUR replied that there were two sort'
of lodges, arid that the park-keepers' lodges would be
included in the estimates; but that with regard to the
other I riges, which were held by grace and favour of
the Crown, the external repairs would be paid for out of
the land revenues el the Crown, and the internal re-
pairs by the parties oceupyieg.
Mr. TRELAWNY understood there were many
lodges in the varodis parks, and especially in those
proximate to the metropolis, which would let for ener-
masts sums of meney ; and he wished to know who
it was had the power of appointing persons to hold these
lodges ?
Lord SEYMOUR said that it was the Crown.
Mr. TRELAWNY was of opinion that, Parliemettt
having granted a civil list in exchange for the Crown
lands, these lodges were public property, and ought
therefore to be let and iecluded in the estimates.
Mr. SLANEY contended, that the power ot appoint-
ing to these lodges was reserved to the Crown u:dler the
.irrauge m. nt of the civil list, and that this power had
been ex- rci.,ed in a discreet and commendable manner.
Lord SEYMOUR—When the Crown property was
surrerided ter the civil list, it was not inn nded that the
power to make there appointments should be given up
also.
Lord DUNCAN had no objection to her Majesty
placing in the lunges whom she pleased; but whilst the
park-i,e(-P-Ts' lodg, s were included in the estimates hi
did eiljsct to the other cdtss of lodg, s, occupied by grace
and favour of the Crown, being paid for out of the hied
revenues ot the Crown, which were not subtuittsd to the
House of Commons. He saw no reason whatever for
the (deduction.
The clause was agreed to, as also were the succeeding
clauses up to 35 inciusive.
On clause 36.
L .rd SEYMOUR proposed to strike out the clause
for the the pose of substituting another respecting the
audi: of accounts.
After some desultory conversation, in the course of

which
Lord DUNCAN complained that the annual report
of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests, which
ought to have been laid upon the table by the 30th of
June, had not yet been produced, and he gave notice
that on the report of this Bill be should move that for
the future the annual report should be produced at an
earlier period of the session—about the 30th of April.
The clause was then struck out.
Clauses 37 and 38 were agreed to, and the schedule
and the preamble were passed.
The House then resumed, and
The CHAIRMAN having reported progress, the re-
port was ordered to be broukbt up on Friday.
THE NEW HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Sir D. NORREYS moved that the architect of the
New Palace at Westminster be requested to lay before
the House forthwith a report in detail on the manner in
which he would recommend that the interior decoration*
of the new Bowie t-f Commons, and of the halls and
rooms connected with it, should be completed; and that
he be directed to prepare his
plans with due attention to
the style of decoration usually adopted at the period $0
which the general architectural character of the net
palace is referable, It was a most unsatisfactory thing
that matters should remain in the position in which they
at present were. His Honourable _Friend the Member
for Westminster had brought forward a motion on
that subject; but all he did was to call the attention of
the House to the state of things which now existed,
which he could not but say was as unsatisfactory as well
could be. Mr. Greene had said he did not believe that
Mr. Ilary understood what were the desires and wishes
of the Commissioners. His Hon. Friend's proposition
was, that the House of Commons are anxious to have the
new building finished as soon as possible. There bad
been so many blunders, however, committed between the
Commissioners. the House of Commons, and Mr. Barry
in that matter, that the less was said about it the better.
All he asked was for them to call upon the architect to
state how he would recommend the House to be finished;
and if they agreed to that proposition, to order him to
proceed with it. He coneiudtd, therefore, by moving
the resolution of which he had given notice.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER depre-
cated any further intererence on v.() part of the House
with the new building, having appointed a Commission
to inquire into the matter lair year. He believed I
great impiovem Tit had pen • flreted by that Commis'
soon. He understood the Mernte rs would be able to
have a few morning sittings before the session was over
in the new 11011::e, and that would give them a more
pr.ci teal kuow, dge of the stets of the new House than
any report w Mich c "aid be turni.htd.
Mr. IIUNIF; wi*beit to kit ,w whether the Commis..
slot. Is authorised to take charge or the building had
wade alt}:abort? There ought to be a iatitemi et made
of the probable expense of the work, and the time it
might to- ci,uoph ted in.
Sir DE LACY EV ANS entreated the Chancellor of
the Exchequer- to take that m fitter into his serious con-
sidera.iiin, Lied not allow it to b postponed fur au indes.
finite period. Some plan ought to be ads pterl by the
Government and the Commissioners in conjuuction, and
they should eectde upon seeing that plan properly car-
ried into zecutieu•
Mr. GREENE believed the Commissioners were fully
carrying out tie wishes of the House with resptct to the
new huilding in the most effective mariner. They would
soon have an epporiunity in the curse of a morning
sitting of satisfy ill themselves whether or not their
wishes were carried out. He hoped what had been done
would be found to be satisfactory, and that the tempo'