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LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 17, 1851.

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22, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Hope, official freight, and therefore the profit of the shipowner had i Mr. FRESTIFIELD thought, under the cireunistsnces,
assienee, Leeds; Marsden, Friday-street, Cheapside; J. and decreased, and that the share of the foreign ship- the Committee had come to a most merciful cues.-
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H. Richardson and Gaunt, Leeds. owner of the increase had 134 en greater than the share deration.
Thomas Dixon, iron merchant, Bradford, July 4, and Aug. which had accrued to the British shipowner, who had at The motion was then agreed to, and the parties were
7, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Young, official first indeed suffered a decrease, although latterly he had brought up to the bar.
a,signee, Leeds; Terry and Watson, Bradford; Build and had an increase. They also complained of the peculiar The SPEAKER, after alluding to the inquiry which
Barwick, Leeds.
burdens to which they were subjected, among these was had been instituted into the concoction of the petition,
INSOLVENT DEBTORS.
the stamp duty on marine assurances, which he thought told them it was the bounden duty of the House, and a
ought to be removed, as it drove merchants to insure
James Charles Johns, Alfred-p West, Brompton.
duty which it owed to the people whom it represented,
abroad ; another burden was the extravagant fee to take care that the right of petition shou'd not be
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charged by British consuls in foreign ports. They also abused in any way. The right of petition win a most
George Cooper, work ng cutler, Kingston, Surrey.
complained that officers in the navy were authorised valuable and important one, and it was therefcre John Neal, Neal, baker, Cannon-street-road, Middlesex.
Moss Davis, bonnet manufacturer, Earl-street, New Bridge- to receive a pecuniary reward for the salvage of mer- tial that nothing should be done with impunky which
chant vessels, and also to the encouragement given to could have the erect of impairing its usefulness. Now
street, Blackfriars.
enter for the merchant ships into her Ma- it appeared that Cunningham had affixed the signature
ce. They also complained that while the of a third party to a petition, with the consent of his
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vessels of Spain, France, and the United States were partner Strutt, which was afterwards presented to the
admitted to the ports of this country on ;he same House, and the House, to mark its iispleasure
footing as British ships, our ships were not at such conduct, had directed him to pass e severe re-
coafarmer, Great Chapel-street,
admitted to the ports of Spain, France, and the United d primand upon them. The House was willinr to believe
States on the same footing. An advertisement issued that this, added to the circumstance ofthe '
pain-
Hackney.
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Henry Walker, farmer, 11, Staffordshire.
giurn by shipping on board this vessel." Thus shippers Mr. STRuTT wished to address a few words to the
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PREVEN'FION OF OFFENCES BILL.
Cheshire.
This Bill went through Committee.
The House then adjourned,
Welininegart°Dli
Thomas Jones,
William
Worcestershire.
blacksmith,
ith haberdasher,
Oldbury,
tershire.
James Corrigall, master of the barque "Saxon," Gloucester-
street, Liverpool.
James Ecke sley. farmer, Monks Farm, Westhoughten, near
Bolton-le-Moors. Lancashire.
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W Lancaster.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twenty-five Minutes
past Twelve o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.'
The following Bills were riad a third time:—
East Anglian Railways.
Electric Telegra[h Company.
East Stonehouse Waterworks.
Newark-upon-Trent Improvement and Market.
The Athwae's Estate Bill was read a second time.
PE TITIONS.
Mr. ELLIOTT presented a petition from a place in
Scotland in favour of the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill.
Mr. COWAN presented a petition from the Synod of
the Pr* sbyterian Church of Scotland, praying for an
alteration of the law in regard to marriages in Aus-
tralia.

The House resumed at Five o'eleck.
PETITIONS.
Mr. ELLIS presented a petition paying for the
establishment of international arbitration.
Mr. COBDEN presented several petitons to the same
effict.
Mr. FARRER presented a petition Eom South Dur-
ham in favour of the County Rates Bd.
Lord NAAS presented several petitons from Tyrone
complaining of the present method of levying duties on
home made spirite.
NAVIUATION LAWS AND MERCANTILE
MARINE BILL.
Mr. BERRIES presented several petitions from North
Shields and other seaports, complaiong of the present
state of the Navigation Laws and Mercantile Marine
Bill; also from Liverpool, coniplainiig of the reduction
in the timber duties.

COURSE OF EAuti,
Diti.o, three month S.. 11 17i
cofferdam
Antwerp. ... • 2.5 2
iinissels•• •••••...... 23 :4,,
Efamburgh 13 721
iltona • • ...... .... ——A Paris, 3 clayesight 25 15
Ditto, 3 montiu ....• 25 22}§
Marseilles .... ••.• •• • 25 25
Bourdeaux.. • • ... •
frankfort on Maine.... 119
Vienna, effec. f 10...... 12 27
Tneete, ditto.... 12 3'
Petersburgh, 911. Rble •• 3'
Madrid • • • • 50
Cadiz .. ...... • • 604
Barcelona
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Mr. CARDWELL presented a petition from Liver-
pool in fervour of international arbitration.
Mr. EINDLEY presented a similar petition.
AYLESBURY ELECTION.
The report of the Select Committee on the petitions of
Thomas Hughes Bradford and John Strutt having been
read and agreed to on the motion of the ATTOR-
NEY-GENERAL,
The ATTORNEY- GENERAL said as John Strutt
and Charles Cunningham had caused the name of Tho-
mas Hughes Bradford to be attached to the petition with-
out his consent or knowledge, he should move that,
being guilty of a breach of the privileges of the House,
they should both be consigned to the custody of the
Sergeant-at-Arms.
The motion was then put and agreed to.
ST. ALBAN'S BRIBERY COMMISSION BILL.
The House then went into Committee on this Bill.
On clause 1,
Mr. BANKES said he objected to the preamble alto-
gether, although he did not object to a further inquiry
into the St. Alban's election proceedings. Indeed, it
was due to the honour of the House that a further in.
quiry should take place, but how that inquiry should be
had was not quite so settled a matter. A petition had
been presented against the sitting Member for St. Al-
ban's, and virtually that petition remained undisposed of.
In fact, the opponents of that petition bad baffled the
Committee, and defeated the ends of justice. Hence
justice was not done to the petition, and at the
request of the Committee, who occupied several
days in sifting its allegations, they were now about to
take extraordinary measures for completing the investi-
gation. He fur one, however, thought it would have
been more judicious had the Committee applied to the
House to pass a declaratory act of law, and then the
Committee would have been in a situation to render
strict justice to all parties. The Committee reported to
the House that the witnesses who were to support the
allegations had been spirited away, and therefore he they
could not continue e inquiry; but the Committee
at the same time also reported that a sys-
tem of gross corruption was carried on at
the last election, and yet they seated the Member whose
party had be en guilty of that very corruption. Now,
was it a creditable proceeding for the House to sanction
the return of the sitting Member. If there was gross
prod
corruption it must have been
uced by that very
Member, and still in the face of all
this the House pro-
posed to pass a Bill which should punish the corrupted
and screen the corruptor, Now that he considered was
a moat inconsistent course, because if one was punished
so ought the other, and the amendment which
he wished to propose would have that effect. He
proposed that in the present state of the proceedings the
House of Commons should not part with this inquiry.
He did not mean to question the ability or fitness of those
whom the Government proposed to nominate as Com-
missioners; but before they could hope to pass a Bill
like this through the House of Lords they must do
everything to bring the inquiry to an effective conclu-
sion. Ho proposed that the Commissioners for follow-
leg up this inquiry should be Members of the House of
Commons, who should not only be invested with
the powers suggested by the Bill, but far more
stringent powers which he was not prepared to intrust
to the hands of Commissioners. Unless they did that
any future inquiry would be a mockery, a delusion, and
a snare. It the Howe wished really to root out the cor-
ruption that was known w prevail at St. Alban'si they
Wait got at and punish the agents who were instrumental
in promoting the corruption. He therefore proposed to
introduce a clause for giving power to his own Commie-
sieners to examine the agent of the sitting Member
and punish tbern if they should so think fit after due and
proper inquiry. Ile regretted that the Noble Lord at
the head of the Government was not in his place to
watch the progrers of the Bill, because when the Noble
Lord passed his Reform Bill he seemed to imagine that
it would have the effect of putting an end to bribery.
What had been the result though? Why, since the pas-
sing of the Reform Bill bribery had frightfully increased,
and at the end of the last general election no less than
14 boroughs were petitioned against on that ground
alone. This induced the Hon. Baronet the Member for
the Flint Burghs to make an attempt to check this
wholesale bribery; but after struggling manfully through
a whole Session, he failed in its accomplishment, except in
so far as he extorted a promise from the Noble Lord at
the head of the Government that in the next session he
would introouce a measure upon the subject. Accord.
ingly when the next session came the Noble
Lord dtd introduce a Bill, but it was
delayed till such a late period of the session that it en..
countered the opposition of Lord Denmau when it was sent
pto t Loos, e hand uliimately it was thrown out be-
cause there was no time to mend its defective details.
The Government were then, lore to blame for having so
long neglected this important subject, and it was because
be was anxious that the Bill should not meet with the
same fate as the others, that he now proposed to
move the amendment which he had already
introduced to the House. It was never too late
to do
justice, and if they had to contend with Some technical
difficulty, that was no reason for refusing justice. Let
them, therefore, keep the inquiry alive by making Com-
missioners Members of Parliament, and in order that
the House might have an opportunity of doing so he
would move the omission of the first clause. He was
quite willing that the members of the Committee
should be the commissioners if they were disposed to act,
but if they were not he should be ready to find
five Members who would carry on the inquiry, and sa-
tisfy the public that the House Was ready and willing
to root out these evils.
Mr. ELLICE, jun., said, so far as the sitting Member
was concerned, he looked upon the case a; fully closed
end disposed of; and he would, therefore, confine his ob-
servations to the main point of the amendment, namely,
whether the commissioners to be appointed under the
Bill should be Members of Parliament. Now, he did not
think it would be advisable to adopt the suggestion
of the Hon. and Learned Member, because, if they
made the commissioners Members of' Parliament, prac-
tically speaking they would have leas power to act effec-
tively than those which the Bill proposed as it now
stood.
Mr. FRESHFIELD considered that this was a case in
which there had been no decision whatever of a Com-
mittee. The great point, however, was the appointment
of commissioners, whether they should be Members of
Parliament or not, and how they should be appointed.
He objected to the provisions contained in the clause for
this purpose, and he Should certainly vote for the
amendment.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment ... ... ... 17
Against it ... ...
••• ... 66
Majority against the amendment... —49
On our return to the gallery,
Mr. MILES was objecting to the provision confer.
ring upon the Lord Chief Justice the power of naming
the commissioners.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL explained that the
precedent of the Sudbury case had been followed.
Mr. BANKES did not think this was a satisfactory
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Portugal Gold Coin .. 0 0 0
Spa rl/sb Doubloons .. 0 0 0
New Dollars ...• •• 0 4 11 4
Silver la bars ...... •• 0 6 Olb

THE BALLOT
Mr. H. BERKELEY postponed his motion on the
subject of the ballot until Tuesday, Le Bth of July.
.'NAVIGATION-LAWS.
Mr. HERRIES gave notice that on Tuesday next he
should move an address to her Majesty, praying her to
take such measures with regard to fcreign ports as would
be most fitting to carrying into effect the provisions of
the navigation-laws.
HARWICH ELECTION.
Mr. BANKES moved that the petition which he had
presented on the subject of this election be printed with
the votes.
Sir DE LACY EVANS opposed the motion, and
quoted the speech of Sir Robert Peel on a similar occa-
sion, who had objected to this course on the ground that
the minds of lion. Members appunted to try the ques-
tion in Committee would be prejuciced.
Mr. HAYTER said the petition complained of inti-
midation at the election, and wits very much of the
nature of an election petition.
Mr. BANKES should press hie motion to a division.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER appre-
hended that there would be no objection to printing the
petition if it were not intended tc take any further dis-
cussion on it.
An FloN. MEMBER put it to the Speaker to say whe-
ther it was right to receive this petition.
Mr. BANKES said it had already been received.
Mr. HUME suggested that the matter had better be
referred to a Committee.
Mr. V. SMITH could not understand what necessity
there was for printing the petition, it it was not intended
to take any further discussion upon it.
Mr. BANKES said the petition imputed misconduct
to the Government, and it ought to be printed.
Sir G. GREY did not think the House could
think the petitioh could be printed if it were not in-
tended to found a motion upon it.
Mr. BRIGHT said the House could not discuss a
question that was under the consideration of a Com-
mittee. Now, the election referred to in this petition
was now before a Committee; and what, therefore, was
the use of printing the petition?
Mr. DUNCAN said the petition would come under
the consideration of the General Committee of Elections
to-morrow, and no doubt it woald be ordered to be
printed.
Mr. BANKES said under these circumstances he
would not press his motion to a division.
The motion was accordingly withdrawn.
ST. ALBANS ELECTION.
Mr. HEADLAM presented a petition from William
Prescott, an elector of the borough of St.
praying the House not to discharge Henry Edward Albans,s
from custody until he had been subjected to
an examina
tion such as should be sufficient to disclose the extensive
system of bribery which had long prevailed in elections
at St. Albans.
Mr. SI'OONER in rising to make the motion of
which he had given notice to discharge Henry Edwards
from Newgate, adverted to his petition as being unsup-
ported by evidence, and not deserving of having suffi-
cient weight attached to it as to prevent the
release of Henry Edwards. That gentleman now came
before the house in a position of contrition, he acknow-
ledged his participation in the original offence of with-
drawing the witnesses from the COamittoe, but he
maintained he had no share in keeping them
away from this country. He had been in prison nine
weeks, and his affairs were getting into the greatest dia.
order, and under those circumstances, though he (Mr.
Spooner) would be the last man to defend the practices
of Mr. Edwards, yet he thought he had suffered enough
I.) expiate his offsnee.
Mr. FORBES seconded the motion.
In answer to a question from Mr. BANKES,
The SPEAKER said it would not be competent for
any lion. Member to put a question to Mr. Edwards
when brought before the bar.
Mr. HUME said that a bill being under the con-
sideration of the House for the investigation of the case
of bribery at St Albans, he thought it was premature
to ask for the discharge of Mr. Edwards.
The AT CONEY- GENERAL reminded the
House that its authority had been set at nought
by the agency of Mr. Edwards. The witnesses
who :had been taken away were still living ut
Boulogne, and that too with a person named Edwards
and he should like to know whether that gentleman was
any relation of the Mr. Edwards now in custody.
After a few words from Sir G. GREY and Mr. AN,
STEY the House divided, when there appeared—
For the motion... ... 4
Against it 133
Majority agaipst the motion
(LEFT SITTING.)

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ISLEIVORTH REGATTA.
This regatta, under the immediate patronage of his
Grace the Duke of Northumberland, came off last Satur•
day, and was most fashionably and numerously attended.
His Grace and the Duchess entered the pavilion facing
the river at three o'clock, and were received by the
band playing " Rule Britannia;" a salute of guns, a
peal of bells from the ivy-mantled tower of Isleworth,
and the hearty cheers of a vast assemblage on board two
steamers engaged for the occasion, and the beautiful
State barge of Styles's late of the Goldsmiths' Company.
The races were started with great punctuality, and gave
the utmost satisfaction. Bands of music played in every
direction, and everything around presented a gay and
animated appearance.
The Amuo.ur Scullers' Match was won by G. P. Ed.
wards. The Junior Scullers' Match was won by Mr.
Cadogan. The Four-oared Match by the Petrel Club.
The Double.scullers' Prizes—a number of purses given
by his Grace the Duke of Northumberland—by Smith
and Marriner, Turner and Gadney, T. Mackinney and
Higley, and Platt and Coxon, who severally belonged to
four different districts; and a race succeeded amongst
purse, which above-named, as
wont by
the respective winners, for another
T
partner. The Apprentices' Match, Mackinneyforaveryexacnedllehnits
new wherry, built by Wentzell, of the Ship, Fore-street,
Lambeth, also generously presented by his Grace the
Duke of Northumberland, was won by Frederick Styles,
of I'leworth, after some very capital rowing.
The prfatan were presented by his Grace the Duke of
from
Thecommitteeth a
Northumberland, with appropriate addresses,. to
.each
winner, in the presence of a number of distinguished
guests entertained by his Grace, who witnessed. the spo.rt
for their exertion?
pavilioont,. and appeared highly gratified with it.
appreciated by all concerned. Everything passed off
very agreeably, and there was a vast assemblage of
company present at the Noble Duke's, on the river, and
management glebmi
this
ntdeserves
occasion,
which . every
were encomium
duly
on shores

ThE EXETER SYNOD.
The Rev. G. C. Gorham has addressed the follow-
ing letter to the reverend " Rural" of this deanery :
~, The Vicerage, Brampford Speke, June 10, 1851.
Rev. Sir,—You inform me that a meeting of the ruri-
decanal chapter of Cadbury, will be held at Cadbury on
Thursday,
the 12th inst,l4 to deliberate on the matters
to be considered at the diocesan synod, and to elect two
representatives at the synod from this deanery."
Even were that synod legal and expedient (on both of
'a hich points I entertain serious doubts), there does not
exist any precedent for constituting that body an elec-
tive, and consequently, a representative assembly, so tar
as I am aware, and I have looked into the subject with
some carefulness.

Mr. STUART objected to the powers given to the
Commissioners, which made them both prosecutors and
judges. The rights and privileges of the electors were
disregarded; and the Attorney and Solicitor-General in
supporting the Bill were acting in a manner utterly op.
posed to the opinions of Lord Denman and Sir R. Peel,
as expressed upon similar occasions. All he wished for
was fair play, and an assurance that none but guilty
persons should suffer, and that every person should have
the opportunity of defending himself.
The clause was then agreed to.
Clauses 3,4, 5,6, 7,8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, were then
agreed to.
The remaining clauses were also agreed to, and the
pre3table having been aseented to, the Chairman was
adeirTechteeditiootrir
rretstuhmeeLdii,ll to the House.
and the Chairman reported
c°rdingly, and the Bill was ordered to be printed as
amended.

1 With thiS ;few— of the assumed authority which you,
and the clergymen who may meet together at Cadbury,
propose to exercise, I must not only decline, as a bene-
ficed presbyter of this diocese, attending your run-
decanal chapter to vote for representatives, but I must
dolem o ly protest against such a proceeding, as tending
to subvert ecclesiastical order, and to create division and
discord at a period when union and hsrmony are pecu-
liarly desirable.-1 am, Sir, yours faithfully,
G. C. GORHAM.
The Rev. N. F. Lightfoot, Dean Rural, Caabury.
-- Western 7 ivies.

NEW MMER
Mr. JOUNbON took the oaths B .
and hii seat for Clack.
mannan.

THE AYLESBURY PETITION.
The Sergeant at-Arms reported that John Strutt and
Charles Cunningham, the parties who hid presented a
fictitious petition against the return of the Member for
Aylesbury, were in attendance.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved that they be
brought to the bar for the purpose of being reprimanded
and then discharged. He made this motion with the
sanction of the Committee who had investigated this
,matter, and who th3ugtet the parties seted oa they did
through error.

DIRECT CHICHESTER AND PORTSMOUTH RAILWAY.
Tererday, at the meeting in this matter, before his Honour
Master Richards, Mr. Chapman and other gentlemen were
examined by Mr. H. Harris, for the official manager, rela-
tive to the acts of the members of the provisional committee.
Notwithstanding the magnificent subscription raised
by the vicar of Rochdale, the loss of the depositors in the
savings bank in that town, by the rascality of the defaulter
Howarth, will amount to mcre than 38,0004 the claims
on the bank, when stopped, were 100,50310.014Tanchester
Courier.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. the residences of other HOUSE OF LORDS, June 16 ministers in Paris. If the Hon.
The Earl of ZE . Member thought to satisfy his conscience by supposing
that the change to a I:epublican government had lessened
TLAND presented petitions from
the. expense of living in Parrs' he would find himself
Fifeshire and other p'sces egainat Papal aggression.
Lmisteken. Ile had been told by several gentlemen who
The Earl of MALMESBURY presented 25 peti-
mad come over here to our Exhibition, that there never
flops from Lincolnshire, and other parts of the coup-
a winter in which
.the style, of living in Paris was
try, complaining of agricultural distress as a cease- was
expensive as that which had just elapsed, and that so
quence of the repeal of the corn-laws. The Noble
far from a republican form of government having les-
Earl drew the attention of the Marquis of Lens-
sened the expenditure of social life, there had never
downe to a remarkable statement which was made at
been so much of what the French call luxe as in the past
the recent meeting of the National Society for Edu-
year.
cation, to the effect that in consequence of the extent
Mr. BRIGHT said that those who had opposed the
to which distress prevailed in the rural districts, the sub-
scriptions to the National Society from those' districts reduction of the salary had done so on the ground that it
would be impossible for the Minister to live in his pre-
had decreased one-halt; If this were true, it was a most
important fact, and well deserved the serious and atten- sent house with a less salary than 10,000/. He had ex-
pressed an opinion that the better course would have
tive consideration of the Government.
The Earl of HARD WICKE said that the reports of been to fix the salary in the first instance, and to allow
the ambassador to suit himself with a house according
inspectors of schools in Norfolk and Cambridgeshire con-
to it. He believed that for many years the embassy at
firmed the statement cited by his Noble Friend, that on
account of the severity of distress in the agricultural dis-
Paris had not cost less than 14.0001. a year, and that
tri
the services min
ht have been done for half that sum.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not give an opinion
in
be rcts,aised there. the same amount of money as formerly could not
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE addressed a few
words to the House in reply, but the Noble Marquis was favour of 10,000/, as the salary. After the Committee
totally inaudible.
had decided on maintaining the embassy he had con-
Lord CAMPBE cured in the proposal of 8,000/.LL presented a petition from Kid- Colonel SIB L'llol-tP said the discussion showed that
the Government, though they professtd economy, did
holds.nster in favour of the enfranchisement of copy-
not care fur it any more than the Secretary of State
cared for his Police Bill the other night.—(A laugh.)
Lord BERNERS presented a petition from Leicester
He (Colonel Sibthorp) would always be in favour of the
complaining of agricultural distress.
Sovereign having every necessary comfort and suitable
The Earl of CARLISLE presented a petition from the
board of highways at Leeds against the Rating of Small appendage; but he believed the public money was ex-
pended without any care for economy, or any knowledge
Tenements Bill.
Their Lordships then adjourned.
either of the Sovereign or the persons composing those
HO USE OF__C
depariments on which the outlay took place. It the.
OM ,11 OIV S, June 16. SUPPLY, H Montrose—theon. Member for ontrose—the father of economy--
moved for any reasonable reduction, provided be did
The House then went into Committee of Supply. not interfere with the emnt of the Sovereign, he
On the vote for 97,747/ being proposed for defraying should have hie humble support,
the expense of maintaining and repairing the royal Lord DUNCAN wished to know why the item for
palaces, and for supplying water, furniture was larger in the aVeods and Forests office
Mr. W. WILLIAMS objected to it, on the ground than any of the other public offices? Ie that office it
that it Wag wasteful and extravagant. was 9781., while the ome
Mr. HUME put a question on behalf of those persons and
in the Foreign Office H 3071. Office it was only 123/,
from whom he had formerly presented petitions, whether Lord SEYMOUR was understood to say that an addi-
it was intended to make the new ride opened in Ken. tion had been lately made to the office for a Commie
gardens a perpetual innovation, or whether it sioner, and that had caused increased expense.
would cease with the Exhibition?
Lord DUNCAN tasked was the addition necessary?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the ride had only Lord SEYMOUR replied that it was, and had been a
been opened for the Exhibition season, and would be great convenience.
closed when the Exhibition was over. Mr. V. SMITH did not agree with the Hon. Member
Mr. HUME contended that the estimates ought to be for Montrose that it would be any advantage to refer
submitted to a separate Committee before being brought these votes annually to a Committee of that House. If
before the House. The estimates amounted to 3,900,000/, they had no proper power of examination, of course they
and he contended that a great portion of them ought not could nut report, and, therefore, there would be no use
to be brought before the public. Take, for instance, the in referring them to a Committee who could onto re-
vote of 6,600/ for Frogmore Palace—that he objected to, commend a better arrangement. There were a good
as he also had objected to the vote for building stables many items in that vote which he would wish see
separate. There was one, for instance, a vote of 3,950/.
for the accommodation of a youug man who might never
live to occupy them. Then, again, there was a vote to for a staircase for the farm-house at Kew. That and
the Duchess of Kent for alterations of forcing-houses, others he would like to see as separate items.
which was, of course, a matter adapted for luxurious en- Mr. HASTIE complained that the vote for the Cathe-
joyment. The Duchess of Kent had a very liberal dral of Glasgow was too small, and thought that one of
allowance from the people, and therefore the people the most perfect ornaments in Scotland ought to be put
ought not to be further taxed for alterations of her fore- in complete order,
ing-houses. It was the Treasury which sanctioned these Lord SEYMOUR said only a small portion of the vote
grants, and the House ought, therefore, to keep a watch. referred to—say about 1,000/.—was intended for the
fill eye over 'Treasury complaisance, He also objected staircase at Kew; and that had been rendered necessary
to the vote for Hampton Court Palace, stables, and out- by the great number of visitors who went there, to whom
houses, 7,500/. The public ought not to be called upon au additional staircase was a great convrnience. The
to pay for the accommodation of individuals. He asked chief of the item was for a house for the Victoria Regina
the Treasury to act on some kind of principle in these —(Laughter)—and some other plants of great magnitude.
matters. Then, with respect to the Knights of Windsor, Mr. BANKES thought some explanation ought to be
an estate was left to defray expenses of the buildings given why such an enormous sum was necessary fora house
and maintenance of the Knigets of Windsor. What tor a single plant. He wished to ask the Noble Lord
had become of that estate? He understood the Dean whether a house in Whitehall, the property of the
and Chapter of St. George had got hold of the estate and Crown, was to be devoted to his office, and what was
diverted the funds to other purposes. If' that estate was the rent of it, as well as other houses similarly circum-
left for the purposes of the Knights of Windsor, it was stanced ?
a robbery on the public to come to that House and Lord SEYMOUR referred the Hon. Member to page
ask for votes of public money for purposes that ought 7on the estimates, where he would find all the informa-
to be defrayed from the source he had referred to. tion ho wanted.
He saw no charge for Richmond Park in the estimates Lord DUNCAN thought it was inexpedient to devote
of this year. He wished to know whether some restric- houses, the Crown property, to such uses.
Clone had not lately been put on persons visiting that Mr. HUME asked whether these houses were for offi-
park. There was a charge for Greenwich Park, which vials to live in?—(No, no.) Then it would be best to
he did not object to, for whatever might have been its sell them at once. He could assure the Noble Lord that
former state, he believed it was now kept in excellent he had read over the estimates carefully, whether the
order. A charge was made for repairs of the Universi- Noble Lord did so or not. There were 21,000/. for Royal
ties of Aberdeen and St. Andrew's. He should like to palaces in the personal occupation of the Sovereign, and
know whether the repairs wore for the public buildings 20,000/, for
palaces not in her occupation; making a
or for the private residences of the professors? There total, as he had stated, of 41.0001. on that one item.
was another item which seemed strangely out of plaee, This was the only country in the world in which the es-
under the head of Scotland as it was, of a sum of timates were not examined annually. The did so in
8401. for lighting and water connected with the Brinell France, Belgium, America, and, in fact, in almost every
Ambassador's house at Paris. He trusted tbat before country he could name. He maintained that every one
next session a Committee would be appointed to consider of the estimates ought to have been submitted to a Lome
details of these estimates.
mittee of the House before they were brought forward.
Lord J. RUSSELL said it was rather difficult to if the Government were not afraid of an examination be-
satisfy the Hon. Gentleman. Some years ago the cum. fore such a Committee, why should they object to it?
plaint used to be that so much money was voted for the The Chancellor of the Exchequer ought to go to Bel-
army, navy, and ordnance purposes, and so little for the gium, as he (Mr. Hume) bad done, and be present while
purposes of science and education. A great change had the Chamber went through the public accounts of the
been made in that respect, and large sums were now year, and he could not fail to profit by it.—Lau
yearly voted for education, for scientific establishments, Colonel SALWEY said the expense of supplying
and for parks and gardens for the recreation of the water for the use of Windsor Castle had been annually
public, and yet the Hon. Gentleman came down and cora- very great since 1849. In that year 6 500/. and 1,0001.
'leaned of the large increase in the miscellaneous had been voted; in 1850, 5.900(.; in 1851, 8,000/. and
estimates. Now, although the miscellaneous estimates 3,700/ In all the items, which he would not go over,
of this year contained an item of 130,000/. for the ex- the sum of 34,153/. had been Voted. Now, he
pense of taking the census, they were 111,0004 below wished to know whether that expenditure was still to
the estimates uf last year. lie thought the lion, Mem- go on, or whether there was any chance of its coming
bet had not paid that attention which he was wont to do to an end?
to matters connected with the estimates, fur he bad Lord bEYMOUR said the expenditure had been nee
talked of the sum of 2,61 b/. being required for the cessaly in consequence of the magnitude and difficulty of
garden of the Duchess ot Kent at Froguaore. The the corks, and the construction of reservoirs on high
won, el mater had forgotten that some years ago, when grounds in the neiehbourhood,
the royal table was furnished with vegetables and fruits Colonel SAL WEY said he wished to say a few words
from three or four different gardens, it was deemed de- with respect to the position of the Military Knights of
suable to establish one garden capable ef furnishing the Windsor, as he saw an item of 550/. down tor the repair
supply, rather than to keep up three or tour kitchee of their houses. There never was a more scandalous
gardens in different places, each producing the same abuse of a charitable institution than had taken place
kind of fiuit and the same kind of vegetables at the in the case of these pensioners, for the funded property
sme season, and therefore causing a cousidersble ex. set aside by the founders of the charity for their use
pans,, and, to a certain extent, a useless Supply. In. had been appropriated for their own benefit by the
stead of theca Lord Bssborough proposed that a large Dean and canons of Windsor, and now the repairs of
kitchen-garden should be formed at Frogrnore, and that their residences were thrown on the public. Notwith-
it should be the only kitchen-garden for the supply of the standing that certain lands bad been set apart for the
Castle. The whole amount was 2,615/., and it was taken maintenance and lodging of these military knights
on account of the different palaces occupied by her Ma. by one of the Edwards, by Eliasbeth, and Ja,nes I ,
jests. The Hon- Gentleman wished a Commitee to ex. which were managed by the Dean and chapter of Winds
amine the details of the vote, and to satis'y themselves sow they only received 13. a day as their pay. Over
that there was a necessity for Widening the two hothouses 600 ears age‘, Edward IIL had established that charity
refsrred to, and that the gardener was justified in say- as are mard for the soldiers who had followed him in his
ing that there was not a euffiment supply of early wars. In an evil hour, however, the institution had been
potatoes, or that there should be more grapes and placed under the control of' the Dean and canons of
peaches.—(A laugh.) None of the expense wes in. Windsor, and while these revenues had increased ten-
curred on accouut of the Duchess of Kent. The only fold, these unfortunate men had been left with a pittance
charge on account ofthe Duchess of Kent was a sum of of ls. a day, and even their houses were not repaired.
6571. for the repair of Frognaore House. He could not As he would have to bring forward a motion on this
agree with the Hon. Gentleman that it would be desir- subject in a few days, he would not then enter into the
able to have a Committee every year to examine those question more fully, but would merely move that the vote
items, as the House was aware ut the principle on which of 5501, for the repair of the houses be disallowed on the
the estimate was framed. Of late years great aecomeno- estimates.
dation had been afforded to the public at s,m tun Court Sir G. GREY said, as the Hon. and Gallant Member
Gardens, and other Royal gardens. Considerable ex- was to introduce a motion on that subject on Tuesday
pease had been incurred at Kew, for instance; but it newt, he would not then enter upon its discussion; but he
was not thrown away, as was shown by the numb, r of would say that if they disallowed that vote, these poor
who had resorted for enjoyment to the Botanical knights would have to pay the amount out of their own
persons
Gardens and grounds, which had not only been admi- pockets,
rably laid out, bat were also admirably kept in order, Colonel SALWEY denied that they would have to
In 1841 the number of visitors was 9.164, and last Jeer pay the amount. A petition had been presented from
it was upwards of 172,000.—(Hear.) With regard to the electors of Windsor denouncing that matter as a
Richmond Park there was a much freer admission now gross job upon the public resources, and calling for the
than there was some years ago. He believed the keepers interference of Parliament,
had made some restrictions with regard to children rid- Sir G. GREY said of course he meant the knights
question, it was entire]
ing on donkeys, but the present ranger had directed that would be resp 'risible if the houses were repaired at all.
Area Chief Justice on the question had been, that th
those restrictions should be done away with. As far as But with regard to the general
his observation extended, Richmond Park was at pre- a legal one. The opinions of Sir W. Follett and they
Gi overnment had no competency to interfere all. If
sent a greater source of enjoyment than it had over been
within his recollection.
Mr. ELLICE, as on© of the Commissioners appointed the claim was to be substantiated, a court of law was the
for Parliament and Government to take up,
to inquire into the subject of palace gardens at the bee
tpiloare4ebtuotdooneso.
ginning of the present reign, confirmed what had !alien Colonel SALWEY did not think it was a legal guys-
from the Noble Lord on the subject.
the House?
Colonel SALWEY did not rise to oppose the first Ile would ask, Was there any objection to lay those legal
item, but wished to know by whose advice the lion opinions referred to on the table er
and the unicorn hado been placed in their present pee The CHANCELLOR of the EXCEIEQUER thought,
sition in front of lattaaingstane Palace. Only the other as a discussion was to take place on the subject in a few
day he saw two foreigners highly amused at the figures, days, it ought not to be continued then.
Lord SEYMOUR said that the figures were made by Colonel SALWEY said ho would divide the Com-
the same person who had made and put up the figures in mittee on the question.
the New Houses of Parliament.—(A laugh.) Kuowing Mr. HUME thought it was the duty of the Govern-
that they had been entrusted to a person of such expe- ment to look after the cue, and that his Hon. Friend
rience he had not interfered either in the formation or was right in the course he proposed to take.
is the placing of them.
Colonel SALWEY said they had voted a total of no
Mr. WILLIAMS called the attention of the Com- less than 9,2861. far that purpose since 1841, and he
mittee to the increase in the miscellaiteous estimates of would thereforea take the opinion of the Committee on
this year. The same branch of expenditure under the the item.
Duke of Wellington's Government, in 1830, was Sir J. GRAHAM was not prepared fora iscussion on
1,950.0001; under Lord Grey's Government, in 1833, it that subject, but he wished briefly to state the reasons of
was 2,007,0001; under Lord Melb.ourne's Govern meet, in the vote he would give if a division took lace. That
1834, it was 2,061,0001.; under Str R. Peel's, in 1835, question required the careful attention of the Committee.
2,144,0001.; and this year it was 3,948,000/.—double the No doubt the object was to benefit the officers who were
average amount of the four preceding Govern. the recipients of the bounty of that Charitable institution.
menu). He wished to know why the public should be —Meat.) It was a benevolent establishment to provide
taxed for the repair of such Places as Arbroath Abbey an honourable retreat for deserving men, and he did not
and Glasgow Cathedral. He also wished some expluna. think in the distribution of its rewards that anythiag in
lion of a new item of 41,829/, for royal parks and public the nature of patronage had been exercised. It was her
gardens. In one place a charge wets made of 69/ 98, 2d, Majesty's instructions that due reference should be made
Chapter.
for the repair of the office of the Ecclesiastical Commis. in all cases to the Horse Guards, and the Commander-
den, and in another place another charge of 511 a for in-Chief before an appointment took place to the insti.
the same purpose,
tution. When he was Secretary of State for the Home
The CH ANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER reminded Depeartment, that case had been brought under his con.
the Hon. Member that the miscellaneous estimates had sideiation, arid his first impression was favourable to the
been increased in consequence of the wish of the House Knighla of Windsor, and against the Dean and
to include in them votes hitherto kept distioct. For in- Ile had accordingly directed a proper statemeet Oa the
stance, there was a sum of 300,000 t for education, and whole facts of the case to be laid before the law Office s
Parliament.
that no
likewise 300,000/. and 400,000/. for criminal prosecution,. of the Crown, and the late Sir W. Fellett had bestow rd
With respect to the item of 41,8291, it was now included great attention on the matter, and had given anopinioeh
for the fist time in the estimates, instead of being de- on it. Be (Sir J. Graham) did not
think u
frayed out of the land revenue.
was usual to lay such opinions before
Lord DUNC AN confirmed the statement of the Chan. His recollection of that opinion, however, Was
cellos of the Exchequer, and called the attention of the claim at law could bo substantiated aguins '
Hon. Member for Lambeth to a foot note in the Nati- and Chapter of Windsur.—(Llear, hear.)l theneaill
mates, which intimated that there would be a corre- that were so, what were they to do? Tap - Now, -
would throw
spending increase in the amount of the land revenue paid the expense upon the knights, kas there
into the Exchequer.
the Crown to compel the Dean and nth vvas no power in
apter to repair the
Mr. BRIGHT wished for some explanation of the heusee, suppoting the motion to behearried. Under all
charge of 8414 for the ambassador's house at Paris. One the circumstances of the case, he s ould be obliged to
of the arguments used before the Committee for not re- vote ugeinet the motion of the Icon.
and Gallant Gentle-
ducting the salary to 5 000!. was thet the house was so man.— (Hear, hear.)
large as to re attire 2 0004 a year to be expended upon Colonel SALWEY said, t h
it, lie had bsen told that the house had cost 60,000/. epporturpty soon of
heirs ' a.. e would have another
nging
.the matter forward, hi'
35 years aeo, and that it had since cost this contery would not then put the Com
120,0001. at the least. If, as he had been told, the house division. matee to the trouale of a
was much larger than was necessary, it would be better 1 The motion was then to sell it and rent a smaller ono, the vot negatived without a division, and
e was agreed
Lord PALMERSTON believed that if the Hon. A vote of 4 to.
Member had his own way there would be no embassy at tenance and 1,829/. having been proposed for the m
all in Paris. Ile bad stated his opinion to the Corns oharges
in
threpair of roads, footpaths, &c,, and other
mittee that 5,000/. was much too small an aline *nee for Lord
Duisle royal parks,
the representative of her Majesty at Paris. The salary but he I h CAN said he did not complain of the vote;
had, however, been reduced to 8,000/ ; and it bad been Bustle vis ed to know why Hampton Court-park,
proposed at various times to letseu the expense by sell. i
among Y-Park, and. Richmond-park were not included
Ilia others in that case.
ing the house and renting another. But the fact was, a Lord SEYMOUR said that the expenses of those
house like our ambassador's at Paris would sell for littl arks
or nothing, although the rent of a similar house would° ' cP tarred
not considerable, and had merely been in-
amount to a considerable sum. It was a mistake
however,
for keeping up the roads. Those expenses should,
,og
oat
she bowie
wag
eitaer for a beer than to
y__ be included in the vote for the future.
than Lori: DUNCAN said, his Noble Friend must be MiSP
i

taken upon one point, fur it appear: d from the report
of the Uemminsiuners of Weeds end Forests last year,
that the expenses in Richmond Park bad amounted to
not less than 5,174/.
Colonel SIBTHORP took occasion to allude to the
Exhibition, to which he continued to entertain the most
decided objection. He detested everything that robbed
the fair tradesmen. He had to add that ho never had
been in the Exhibition, nor had ever been even near it.
Mr. HUME said he was at a loss to account for the
sum of 1,480/ for " the department of the ranger." He
was also unable to understand how an outlay of 3,0001.
had been incurred in Hyde-park. He knew of no recent
work in the park except the erection cf the marble arch;
and he believed that the expenditure in question could
not have been incurred under that head.
Lord DUNCAN paid he wished to repeat his ques-
tion—Why Richmond-park, Bushey-park, and Hampton
Court park had not been included in Ale vote? To that
question he had received nu answer. Ho found that
5,174/. had been expended last year on Richmond-park,
and 2,699/. on Bushey and Hampton Court-parks. Was
he to understand that no expense whatever was to be
incurred in those parks in the course of the present
Year? And if such expense was to he incurred why
had not the amount been included in the vote?
Lord SEYMOUR said that these estimates had been
prepared from the Bill which had been presented to
Pe; liament last year, and in which those parks bad not
been included. But when he had further considered the
subject, he had dee-rmined on including them in the Bill
of the present year, and on piecing them in the estimate
fur the future.. With reeard to the sum of 1,4804 for
ranger's department he hhad to observe, that the ranger
received nothing for himself, end that sum was divided
amone the gate-lc, epers and other persons to whom pay-
ments were made through the rat ger. Ho had further
to state, that the expense in Hyde-park had been in-
curred, not for erecting tie marble-arch, but tor widen-
ing the road near the Se, I.entine, and for the purchase
of iron-railings. Iron was at present cheap, and es
many of the wooden railings had become old and useless,
he had thought it advisable to is place them by ridings
of a more durable material.
Lord DUNCAN said that the answer he had received
to his question was not a satisfactory one. The Bill in-
troduced last year had been abandoned tow ads the diet e
of the session; and he confessed that r othing Mani g
to that Bill had surprised him more then the omissitn
of Richmond, Bushey, and Hampton C. trt Parks from
its provisions. He wished to know from what quarter
his Noble Friend intended to take the money for thet -
penditure of those parks, if any expenditure should be
necessary. Did his Noble Friend mien to take it out of
the land revenue, which did not come uuder the notice
of Parliament?
Lord SEYMOUR said he proposed hat the expenditure
this year should be taken out of the land revenue; but in
future years it would be included in that vote.
Mr. WILLIAMS wished to know what was done With
the sums paid for pasturage in the parks?
Lord SEYMOUR said that those sums were Field ittO
the Exchequer.
Mr. HUME wished to receive some explanation with,
respect to the sum of 2,347/. for improving the grot ad
in the neighbourhood of Chelsea Hospital.
Lord SEYMOUR said that the gardens at Chelsea,
Hospital had lately been thrown open to the public; and
it was thought that it would be desirable to fill up the,
canals and pools between the hospital and the river, and
then to improve and beautify the ground so reclaimed,
and give the public free access to it.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that after the death of the
late Governor of Chelsea Hospital he had written to the
Duke of Wellington to state that it was the opinion of
the Commissioners for the Management of the Woods
and Forests that it would be desirable to throw the
gardens of the hospital open to the public. The Nob e
Duke had immediately acceded to that arrangement,
and it had since been carried into effect.
Mr. HUME expressed his approval of the arrange-
ment.
•
Colonel SIBTHORP said that a sum of 4,5001. MO
been granted specially for meeting the expense of re-
moving the marble arch, He wished to know whether
that sum had covered the cost of the removal?
Lord SEYMOUR said that all the expense of the
removal of the marble arch had been defrayed out of
the sum stated by the Hon, and Gallant Member.
Mr. HUME said he thought the Noble Lord deserved
the highest credit for the mode in which be had ar-
ranged that matter. In his opinion the marble arch was
very ornamental in its present situation, and all the sur-
rounding portion of the park had been very considerably
improved.—(Hear.)
Colonel SAL W EY said that as the road from Pimlico
to the Stableyard in St. James's had been opened for
private carriages, he would suggest that it should be
opened for hackney coaches and cabs also. He believed
that many persons would find that arrangement a very
convenient one.
Mr. Alderman SIDNEY said it appeared that the cost
of maintaining 2 000 acres of parka amounted to not leas
than 32 640/ a year; and he certainly thought that was
an excessive Expenditure,
Colonel SAL WEY said he hoped his suggestion with
respect to the opening of the road between Pimlico and
the Stableyard of St. James's to the public generally
would receive the must favourable consideration.
Lord DUNCAN said that if that suggestion were
adopted he trusted that the additional expense whtat
would thereby be incurred would not be thrown upon 111
land revenue, but that it would be included in the mi. mates brought be'ore the House.
Mr. HUME said he thought that what the public
generally paid for ought to be open to the public get e-
rally.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not think it would be
desirable to open the road in question to cabs and om-
nibuses.

Colonel SALWEY did not want to have it open to
omnibuses.
Lard J. RUSSELL could not see why omnibuses
should be exclude" from the road any more than cabs,
if it were to be op“ni-d to the public generally.
Colonel SAL WEY only asked for the same indulgence
in that case which had been granted in the case of the
Bird Cage-walk, where cabs, but not omnibuses, were
allowed to pass.
. The vote was then aereed to.
A vote of 3,529/. having been proposed for the hire of
temporary Committee•rooms, cod for the temporary
residences of officers of the House.
Mr. HUME said he saw that a sum of 1,2001. was
charged for warning and ventilating the House of Com-
mons, and a similar sum for cleaning it. Now he could
not help thinking that these were excessive charges.
Mr. EWAR ?said he believed they should continue
to pay a large sum fur cleaning the
Huse as long as
they had it warmed from beneath the flior instead of
from above it. The House of Lords was warmed from
above, and there was therefore no expense there for
cleaning.
Mr. BRIGHT said it appeared to him that a sum of
500/. a year was an excessive one for the rent of a
house for their clerk. He believed there were many
gentlemen of large fortune who occupied less expensive
houses.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said be
believed it would be difficult to obtain a turteshed house
in the vicinity of the Houses of Parliament for less than
5004 a year.
The vote was then agreed to.
The vote of 3,5291. for the temporary accommcdaticn
of the two Houses of Parliament was agreed to.
On the vote of 116,3854 for the works of the new
Houses of Parliament,
Viscount I)UNCAN asked why they had not sat in
their new House since the Whissun recess, as bad been
expected; and if there was any prospect at all of their
over sitting there?
Tne CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
it would be desirable to have one or two sittings in the
new House in order to see bow the arrangements had
been made; but he did not anticipate that they
would be
able to occupy it during the present session.
Mr. HUME said if his advice had been listened to
five years ago, and Mr. Barry removed, the House
would have baen finished by this time. For his own
part, he had abandoned all hope. Roofs seemed to be
put up only for the purpose el' being taken down again,
and the architect had set them at defiance. But he
blamed the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Go.
vernnaeet, fur it Ras they who were responsible. ?hey
and money,
would have expend, d very ',early
and there would nut be an apartment in the whole build-
ing fit for the purpose for which it was designed. In
every Committee-room they would be obliged to con-
struct a new roof; and thus make an eetregol, or ii
would be impossible to bear. Were they to be treated
like children by one individual, who had shown such
utter incapacity ? Every day something new was
started, and unless they got rid of Mr. Ber-aiy would
have n- chance of seeing the works finished for the next
four years.
The CHANCELLOR nied that of the EXCHEQUER de-
he was q way
for the bu Id-
cin,gro• t.h.e.workano-f Pmrlireeruspe7ts,iwblheo appointed a
c which st ti ed the scheme and plan. Go-
vernment ws onl res •bi f
ob.!,
wellsY pon•i 0 or carrjing out ibe
as they could. The alterate ns had rho
auction of the Committee, and were admitted to be great
improvernemynts.
Air. WMVN could not allow the Government to
shift their legitint (to) responsibility en to a Committee.
The vote was then agreed to.
Tne vote of 7,0004 for a repository forpublic records
was agreed to. p
On the vote of 61,481/. for the new packet harbour
and harbour of r. fuse at Ilolyfn tad, &e.,
Colonel DUNNE thought it extremely dobbtful whe-
ther Ouse we would answer the purpose for which
they were intended. It was moreover stated on the au-
thority of some of the best engineers that it would take
trove 1,800,000/. to 9,000 0001. to complete the harbour.
No doubt it would answer as a packet station; but was it
prudent to incur such cost when it was extremely doubt.
ful whether af,er all it could be made available as a nat.
hour of refuge?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did
not know how more pains could have been taken to as-
certain the fitness of the situation. The nand
two
been Inver:floated by three or four Commissions and two
three Committees, and the result, if their inquiries
was a unanicricus recommendation of the plan, which had
since been acted upon. He should have no
objection to
inquiry, if tiny g.od could re.,u't from it; but Lifter so
thorough an investigation it would be a waste of money
to institute further inquiries. Ile believed that the works
were going on in a very satisfactory manner; and, as
tar as they had gone, were rather below than above the
estimate.
Mr. F. FRENCH sad the merchants of Liverpool
objected to the formation of a harbour of refuge at that
point. For his own part, be confessed he thought that
those who represented Irish constituencies were particu-
larly interested in the question; for he believed that this
scheme was hol.terA up by certain parties to deprive
Ireland of the natural advantages which she possessed as
a point of departure for America.
Su F. T. gAitilig taid is Is 4 there had been a

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