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the name, as he had the authority of the clergyman him -
self to do so ; but if he named him, he must make a few
ohservations to protect the credit of his own statement.
There were but three discrepancies between his statement
and that of the clergyman. One was, that the clergy-
man did not make use of the " town part," as he (Mr.
Richards) had stated, but that was not material. Another
was, that he had stated the clergyman to have a living of
4001. a-year, whereas the fact was that the living was of
that value, but he only got 601. a-year. The third was,
that the clergyman had not established a dispensary in the
town as he (Mr. H.) had stated, but had established one
in his own house. The clergyman was however willing
to prove, that he was shot at while going into his own
house, and that he was afterwards shot at again while
,Ikine with another clergyman, and was badly wounded.
He could prove also, that his grounds had been torn up.
that he had a small fortune, part of which he dispensed to
the poor, and that he was obliged to leave Ireland in con-
consequence of the system which prevailed.—(Cries of
" Name.") Having stated this much, he would now say,
•hat it was the Rev. Mr. Creigh.
Major BEAUCLERK said that while he felt bound to
oppose the measure in every stage, he would give the
Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Parker) full credit for the
.onesty of his motives.—The pi tition was then ordered to
lie on the table.
Mr. CHARLES BULLER presented a petition
from Liskeard against the Bill tkat had been
erought into the House, signed by above 200 persons.
The petitioners lamented the proceedings which had taken
place in Ireland ; hut they attributed them to long exist-
ing grievances which had oppressed that country. They
were of opinion that by the abouition of tithes, and the
removal of religious disqualifications, great benefits would
be conferred upon the country ; and they prayed the House
not to support the exercise of arbitrary power. The
Hon. Member stated that the opinions of the petitioners
were shared by the great majority of the inhabitants of the
West of England.—(Hear, hear.) His Majesty's Ministers
might protest that the powers contained in the Bill were
not to he employed in the collection of tithes, but the pen.
ple of England entertained an opinion that they would be
employed to uphold the tithe system and to punish those
who resisted the payment of tithes. He should support the
r•reyer of the petitioners by his vote in every stage of the
Bill.
Mr. LALOF. presented a petition from Ballynachin, in
Queen's County ; also, a petition from Maryborough,
another from Montreith, and several others from parishes
in Queen's County, against the Irish Coercive Bill. The
petitioners denied that the county was in a state of dis-
turbance requiring any violent measures to produce qui-
etude. They all considered that the law as it at
present stood, if impartially administered, was quite
sufficient to overcome the disturbances. The Hon.
Gentleman said he had also a great many petitions from
small county towns throughout the country to the same
effect. The reason of those small petitions having been
sent to him—and he believed the House would
be inundated, very soon, with similar petitions
from other puts—was, that the people had an im-
pression, that there was a feeling already, that large meetings
should not take place for the purpose of petitioning Parlia
ment. The Hon. Gentleman had no doubt that one halt
of the horrible outrages which had been detailed to the
House had never taken place.---(Hear, hear.) Of his own
knowledge he knew that many facts which had been de
posed to before the committee List year respecting the
state of Ireland had never taken place.
Mr. J. GRATTAN, from being connected with this
part of the county, felt it to be his duty to state that few
or no outrages were known in Queen's County, and to
the honour of the gentry of that county, they bad
always been ready to discharge their duty when called
upon. For his own part be was a landed proprie-
tor of the county, and he should be always ready
to discharge his duty in support of the established
laws ; and as the best mode of discharging his duty on the
present occasion, he would repeat to night the vote he
gave a few nights ago against the measure now proposed,
as the only way lie could conscientiously act in support of
the laws of his country.—(Cheers.)
Mr. BROTHERTON presence t a petition from certain
individuals, Members or friends of the Political Union of
Salford. He begged to observe, that no new Member
had entered that House with a greater desire to support
his Maj-sty's Government in their measures of eco-
nomy and retrenchment than himself, but the measure
now proposed to be carried for the tranquillization of Ire-
land, was so different from what he had expected, that he
could not support it.—(Hear, hear.) He was impressed
with the belief that conciliatory measures would have a
greater effect than any coercive measures which may be
brought in. Conciliatory measures had never been tried ;
but coercive measures bad been tried, and had always
failed.—Petition laid upon the table.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that as the repre-
tentative of Dublin, he had been intrusted with two peti-
tions relating to this Bill, one of them against it, and the
other in its favour. The former was adopted at a public
meeting numerously attended, and was most numerously
signed. He was bound to say also that he could vouch for
the respectability of the persons signing it. The petitioners
thought that the evils of Ireland arose from misgovern.
ment, and that the cure for them was conciliation.
They were opposed to the Bill at present before the
House on account of its unconstitutional nature, and
thought that no such Bill ought to pass, except in a
case of the greatest necessity. He (the Solicitor-General)
most heartily concurred in the general principles retie.,
upon by the petitioners ; but he should be unwortl.y
to represent them, if he did not say that he
considered the extraordinary emergency to w hicl,
tl ey referred had now arrived, and that it was absolutely
necessary to pass an unconstitutional measure. The other
petition was from the magistrates, bankers, clergy, and
other rate payers of Dublin, who stated that they
saw with deep sorrow it was necessary on account of
the state to which Ireland was reduced to adopt
strong legislative measures to subdue the lawless spirit and
dangerous associations now existing in that country.—
(Hear, hear.) They prayed the House, therefore,
whilst they take measures to remove the real grievances
of Ireland, they wool,' also take measures to put down the
open violations of the law which now disgraced thai
country, and to restore a secure protection of life ano
property.
Mr. O'CONNELL wished to know how many clergy-
men had signed that petition ? For the last that was pre-
sented in favour of the Bitt out of '75 signatures, had those
of 5 clergymen. The clergy of England appeared to hay.
a kind of esprit du corps, or fellow-teeling with the clergy
in Leland. which it was al, eirable to note.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he did not know
how many clergymen had signed the petition ; he had
merely recognised the signature of Dr. Booker.
Colonel BUTLER presented six petitions from Bally.,
raget, and other parishes in the county of Kilkenny,
against the Bill. He stated that, at a meeting of the
magistracy in Kilkenny, it was resolved, that
the law was at present quite strong enough,
if the Maeistracy would only cooperate one with
another, and even if the local magistracy did not do their
duty, there were three stipendiary Magistrates in the
county, who ought to do theirs. The people of
Ireland, notwithstanding all that had been said
still believed that the Bill was for the purpose of collect-
ing tithes at the point of the bayonet. He would not at
present say more, as he hoped he should have an oppor-
tunity at a future time to state his opinions upon the atro-
city of the attempt to coerce Ireland.
Mr. FINN supported the prayer of the petitioners.
Mr. SULLIVAN presented several petitions from pa
riches in the county and city of Kilkenny, against the
Bill. He wished to have said a few words upon the sub-
ject, but as the sense of the House was against that
course at present, he hoped be should have another oppor-
t unitiyie otif
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the inhabitants of St. Kermit), in the city of Kilkenny,
praying the House to grant the means of improving the
harbours, roads, and waste lands of the country, which
would amply repay the State, employ the people, and
toe
render it totally unnecessary to enact any laws har-
rowing to the hearts of a feeling people.—(Hear, bear.)
The Honourable Member also presented a petition from
the members of the Trades' Political Union of Kilkenny.
The petitioners stated, that so far from the ends of jus-
tice being impeded by the intimidation of juries, Mr.
Justice Tot rent had congratulated the jury on
their perseverance and determination in convict ng
persons who bad been guilty of committing
outrages, and since that period be was happy to say no
disturbances had taken place in that part of the country.
Upon his own authority he could state, that as far as Kil-
kenny was concerned, there was no necessity whatever