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London, England, 1833-02-15 00:00:00

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(No. 12,616 )

Icatme as that.—(Hear, heir.) The Bill was no douh.
Of some advantage in great t,-,wns, but it operaied very it-
furiously in the county.
Mr. L FENTON said that in thst pat of the country
to which he belonged there was sca,cely a murder or
rubbery contempla-ed but had its origin in beer-shops:
and it was high time that the Legislsture too!,
into its consideration the best means of altering at.
Bill. He regretted the retnarks th,t • had been mad,
on the Magistracy ; and he implored Honourable Men,-
hers to look at the difference in the mode of conducting
' public-houses and beer shops. In the .0! iner there mi..
great order, contrasted with the latter.—(Hear.) H
knew be spoke the sense of the 3lagi•traey when I,
declarsd that not one of them rested a particle of his fame
or credit on having control over the public houses. He
was sorry it was the fashi-n of tie day to attack the
Magistrates, and to bring into disrepute a class of per-
sons whoa. duty it was to ke 'p other classes in order.
Mr. SLANEY was of opinion that it would be better
if some greater security cs ere required from persons keepin;.-,
beer shops, and that, in taking the supervision of th,.
Magistracy, the Bid .had done very great injury. I,
a matter of this nature, where, the lal.ouring classes were
so much concerned, they should proceed with grett cite
and caution, and by aiopting a middle -course- they I
woe t 1 remove the evils complained of, and at the same
time reserve the benefits of the measure.

An HON. MEMBF.R. was of opinion that the greites•
boon that could he given to the people would be the
repeal of the rn.tlt tax.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME did not attribute the evils complained ni,
regarding the morals of the poor, to the beer-shops ; and f-
thought that by suppressing theni none of the evils would
be removed, but the people would be driven to the gin
shops. The whole of those evils he attributed to igno-
rance and a want of education : remove those cause,
raise the character of the people, and nothing was to b:
feared if the beer shops were allowed to be continued open,
Mr. HARVEY strongly advocated the repeal of the
malt-tax, and the means of enabling the poor man to brew
for himself a wholesome beverage. At present be
could not do that for two reasons; the first was, that
he could not afford to purchase utensil., and the next
that he could not borrow them, for any person who
lent utensils for brewing subjected himself to a penalty of
50/. A friend of his (Mr. Harvey's) was fined 501. for
lending a person his brewing utensils. The petition was
then laid on the table.

Mr. YELVERTON presented a petition from the bo-
rough of Carmarthen, complaining of the election of their
Magistrates.

Mr. TYNTE moved for a return of the 8111114 paid in
all the counties of England on the personal estate tax.
Mr. SHEIL presented a petition from Listuolin, in
Tiperary, for the extinction of tithes. The Hon. and
L'-arced Member gave notice, that in the Committee on
Irish Church Reform he should move a clause to
exclude Irish Bishops from the House of Lords—

(Hear, hear, hear)—and that on the 25th of February
he would move to bring in a Bill to enable Roman
Catholics to hold scholarships and lay-fellowships in the
University of Dublin.
Mr. ROEBUCK presented a petition from Bath, fcr
the repeal of the assessed taxes.

Mr. HUME presented a petition from South Shields,
complaining of the intimidation used during the late elec-
tien at that place.

Mr. INGHAM nefended himself from the charges in
:he petition, and contended there was no fon ndation for
:hem.

LEFT SPEAKING.

HOUSE OF LORDS.

The Loan CHANCELLOR having takon the Chair at
five o'clock,
The Earl of RODEN presented petitions, numerously
signed, from Brecon, Dundee, L ,rig Preston, in Yorkshire
and several other places, praying I,r the better observance o!
the Sabbath. Good example ought to be set to the lower

orders by the frimers Qf the laws and Vie higher classes.
There was one hardship especially to which shopkeepers and
trades:nen who were desirous of decent y observing the
Sab,:ath were subject, viz., shops being kept open on
Sundays by other persons, to the great injury of their trade.
The Bishop of LONDI.N and the Ea;l of WnsTmottE-
LAND presented several other petitions up,ln the same

subject.
The Earl of WARWICK presented a petition from a
town in Warwick4nre, praying for an alteration of the
poor laws.
Lord COLVILLE gave notice that, on Thurs lay next.
he would move fur the re-appointment of the Committee
upon the affairs of the West Indie.
DISTURBANCES IN IRELAND.

The Order of the Day having been read,
Ertl GREY rose, and moved that that part of hi•
Maje,ty% Speech which related to the disturbance, in

Ireland should be read, which having been done he •he
clerk of the fi,ose, the N ble E,ll addressed their

ships as follows :—My Lords. in conformity wish the
g,aciouit communication which you have just beard rraii
from his Majesty's gracious speech from the throne. I now
rise to per ottn the painful but necessat v ,uty of propo-itu,
to >our Lordships a Atli I r the more effectual suppression
of local disturbances and tiangf rous a.s• mblies in Ireland. It
is, indeed, my Lortis„ sinful to hear of the extent of violence
which is stated in his Aljesty's speech to have pre
raihd to an ext, nt that is most lamentable, ren-
dering lie and property insecure, bidding defUnce to

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the law, and threatening if not prompdy and eff squall)
suppressed, the most fatal consequences ; still more painful
is it to me to state th.. conviction that this melancholy
necessity cannot be sufficiently provided for by the ordi-
nary powers of the law, and that it should become necessary
to propose to Parliament to enforce the executive Govern-
ment with aslditional powers in crder to enable it to per-
form its duty of protecting the loyal, peaceable, and indus-
trious portion of the community against a system of folly and
violence threatening them with the most serious conse.
quences. My Lords, beft,re I proceed to lay before your
Lordships the grounds upon which the measures I
shall have to propose have been founded, and the
details of the measure itself, it may he fitting that I should
state why his Majesty's Ministers have not, as has been
usual, thoug's I believe the course has not been invariably
pursued on former occasions, applied for the previous ap-
pointment of a Committee to inquire into the circumstances
which have produced the necessity of adopting such a step
The reason is obvious, and highly indicative of the state
in which that country is placed. It is, my Lords, be-
cause the evils that exist in that country are so notorious,
that they cannot require a Committee to induce your
Lordships to act promptly and vigorously. It is not in
this case, my Lords, a secret conspiracy acting under
an appearance of peace, and directing its attack covsrtly
against the Government. It is nor, my Lords, the secret
growth of the seeds of mischief hidden from th-' eye of
day, but threatening the most serious consequences,
which it is required to provide against, in order
to convince those who are s 3 acting that they
are doing wrong ; but it is to a system of asso-
ciations framed under an organization, and directed
to objects which threaten the peace and safety of
the community, the unity and equanimity of the
empire, and which must be repressed in the most
lamentable consequences will ensue.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
It is a system, my Lords, of violence, of armed bodies act-
ing apparently under a system of organisation, commit-
ting the most atrocious outrages, violating all the rights
of property, inflicting the penalty of death for the double
object of intimidation and vengeance, deterring prosecu-
tors from proceeding before courts of law, witnesses trona
appearing, juries from doing their duty, and rendering
tie law itself impotent for the protection and
safety of the community.—(Hear, hear.) My Lords,
these are the dangers against which we have this
night to provide, and the cony quence of which it is tha'
his Majesty's Government have felt themselves called
upon, in the perormance of their duty—a powerful, but
imperative duty, to propose to your Lordships, measures
which I admit to be measures of a severe nature, incon-
sistent in the ordinary form and principles of the Consti-
tution, and which would be justified by nothing hut the
necessity of the case, hut that necessity existing, they are
measures which his Majesty's Government would have been
guilty of a direliction of their duty if they had not pro-
posed to your Lordships for acceptation. My Lords, it is
perhaps not necessary to inquire front what sources these
disorders have sprung. As far as they can be traced to
any real or just cause, I am sure that your Lordship wi I
concur with me in thinking that it will be '
of our first duties to provide against them. But.
my Lords, at th sante time that tne Legislature
and the Government show a disposition to correct