The Sun.
London, England, 1851-07-12 00:00:00

EDUCATION.
t:,,°,o:l,irdthe vote of 150,0001. for public education in Great Bri-
t proposed
astute J.
RUSSELL said, in the absence of the Right Hon.
eeeraan the Secretary of State for the Home Department,
"118oght it
his duty to state to the Committee what the
oli - the proposed vote was, and how it was to be ap-
p..ed• They were aware that this vote began in 1833, wthooea
Lasraore than 50,0001. In 1839, however, a change t
the mode of distributing the sum voted. It was
itie_Posed in that year that a Committee of Council should be
yet rated who were to have the distribution of the moneys
tot, and who were from time to time to make mienruteeon_
cil_a,itiode in which such money was disbursed. V
We sums had since been voted.
t"" he had referred to there were 120,0001. voted
In the early pfoarrtydoifsttrhie_
by the Lords of the Treasury. Up to that time it ap-
-813,,ftr-ed hY a return placed before the House that ther.ettweeroef
'4,1)02/. distributed for this purpose, and the Committee
iy, their
expended 641,542/. There was a balance remaining
:41,salie8ir6hands of 99,58 R. The estimate for the present year
„. ,3801., but it was proposed to take only 150,0001.
;Is thouht necessary to retain a considerable balance
tieand for
e_the purpose of fulfilling the engagements which
eon__?trunite of Counl ha entere into. It should b re-
fre,,7ted alsote that thereciwere larger sums of money derived
private resources for the promotion of the same objects.
bta. large sum had necessarily to be expended upon the
te'''eg of schoolhouses throughout the country.. Of late
elra there had been a new plan adopted, which
_wsnelliotofiltr.
Thatna, the
original scheme, for the bnilvdein f
eeett,?_l4ll. was founded upon what he bed
we
which
gtthooesbee
paujbulisct
stuiti:Leration--namely, that the way in hi
the
os 'night be made more available not in increasing
itlantity, but in improving the quality of education
Stree4e.r.' hear.) For that purpose it wast proposed to give
augment in certain
in-
cede !?fl through pupil teachers;
ends ijae salaries of masters and mistreosses,to furnish maps
hibitt'vo,,, of instruction, and to give annual grants at ex
seec,'".4B. There were no less than 6.700 persons annually
far -,g Payments from the sum voted by Parliament. So
bee scheme had been tried it had been found most
tti,,,.eu,cial, the
eciallv the plan of paying their teachers and
perZng the pyoung-men for schoolmasters. Many of the re-
Thellade by the inspectors show the value of this plan.
'". Mr. Mosely, whose abilities were well known—
if, hear)—the Rev. Mr. Watkins, and Mr.
tee one one of the inspectors, in their several reports bore
elietig°llY to this fact. When they considered the very
time during which the labouring classes were
Itai_ed to send their children to school it was of the grerest
tfUnce to find this fact admitted. The number
receiving education under the improved system
Bedch greater than under the former one.7(Hear.)
given the reports of the inspectors belonging to the
the"Aeal Schools and the National Society, employed by
opitrfornittee of CounciL He would now state the
bell,,Of Mr. Murrell, the inspector of British Schools.
tp so i'eonle Lord here read the document referred to, but
tke, to it tone of voice it was impossible to catch a dis-
ikp,"_Beatence iu the gallery. We understood it to be a re-
elFloB4tating the complete success of the new system of edu-
lelleol) tir. Marshall, the inspector of the Roman Catholic
8: gave similar evidence, as did also Dr. Woodford.
gett•
iltilaqoduction of those pupil teachers, and the rewards
tteote; them, had not only an immediate beneficial
%tirt-Pan those young men, but gave them great en-
ent to persevere for the future. The plan was
ttiotti ",,e," calculated to interest all the parents and rela-
-5114,)"` lila Parties in the great work of education. -(Hear,
hef was observed by all who had seen the work-
e the new system that a great stimulus had been
tato_ to the progress of education. With respect to the
tho'irnatters which he had mentioned—namely, the altera-
-1/44,111 the salaries of the masters and mistresses, and the
eoet;igrrants at exhibitions, he thought it highly desirable
tho hadage as far as possible those masters and mistresses
eotighl distinguished themselves. He had' often found that
Very aPPeared by the returns made to that that
Yet tl,:large number of children attended the public schools,
tett() eet the quality of education given them was very in-
theirr' that little •
._ impression was consequently made upon
teett:tmerstandings, and that much money, time, and at.
to'll to harere wasted to no purpose. There was, however, still
tenicok'served that evil which, he feared, must for some time
,Without a remedy in their great educational system
iSetY, the children being taken away from the schools at
Nit earlY age. There was no less than 35 per cent. under
age ttli'teara of age, and 62 per cent under ten years of
per eeo,eh away from these schools. There was only eight
i4ege a• bove twelve years of age to be found remaining in
}hett4eaools. It was manifest that the children taken away
ey Were not likely to benefit much by the education
Aliep..!tved, and they would fail to find art educated popu-
Ittee:jaithough they might see a vast number of children
po~Pteaeotng
kr these schools. He could not see any remed at
, this evil. It was natural and inevitable that
aeuildren, when arriving at a certain age, would be
tbepl ef,viceable to their parents in augmenting their miser-
eelY earnings, and thus the benefits of education to
triughtvfere lost. At the same time he thought that there
tf te„„DP schools established in which less attendance would
atterj'ired from boys about twelve years years of age.
*.etildr4l. fight be periods allowed for going to school which
*tat th" 'elv some time to be devoted to ordinary labour ;
ere could be small libraries formed in connexion
alleeo?ese schools in which the habit of reading might be
tlaske`,.eged, which was likely to be kept up in after life. In
aid,p4,,o one Point of this grand theory, there was a con-
fot th `e sum required for the support of a training school,
o,sPecial training of masters of workhouses; that was
14,2 i °r 1411. It had cost already a great deal of money ;
igN.: able man was placed there, and there was every
oLI to believe that the school would be considerably
VC& Re could not leave this subject without repeat-
he th at, he had often stated before in that House—namely,
Nit iTgut that they could not do too much as members of
e,1111411„°tIse or as individuals in improving the condition
•111eto'llouring the situations of schoolmasters.—(Hear.)
..tte the Was no class of men employed that was more useful
Zetapisekititry. He must say it was exceedingly painful to
"irkt araall salaries paid to such a deserving and impor-
Neass.--(Hear, hear.) He (Lord John Russell)
oaly further state that there were several
.votes
Liae 'eaPect to similar subjects in the estimate.
gird edsecond vote after that now under notice re-
„Zlat CI, education in Ireland ; and he was bound state
`aeter-e training school in Dublin was one of asupenor cha-
t:l4e; Me bad been much struck with the quickness of ap-
Or:Len and readiness of the memory of the pupils when
i'll4-enr,"i that *ty This vote was proposed to be increased
• over the vote of 1849, and 9,0001. over that of
1.740,`,u8 next vote was for the School of Design, of which
Ron Friend would give every requisite informa-
zat n'uate were 360 scholars in the head school in London,
".000*Qe branches in the country contained no less than
tatltlPPe. Considerable progress had been made, and
'etY Waal felt to obtain the advantages of these
the 'raenta. It was proposed to distribute the drawings
mett ,lead schools among the country schools, and great be-
l/40 eXPeCted to be derived from it. A sum nearly the
Lee we that granted the preceding year was proposed for
j,Lltiteitteutn of Economic Geology, which, though a new
ome -11' Was of the greatest practical benefit in a country
res4laiottlierale were of such importances a England. Two
Iho Wore 11 the present list, but connected with the ques-
t traii 113f.atiosed—one of which was for the publication of
The rsiBjlloll of the cuneiform inscriptions. There had
whoTtar vote many years ago for the same purpose.
the 'e amount of the estimate was 435,9201., which
t) 44; slob,it sums referred to, would, perhaps, make
the n
ke' e part of the estimates were more useful
Tot tTed largely wit?,
seeeoft.edncimates had
iit4tior! theePwuriapool That portion of thne est
I 1833 the vote
a t
itohne
was
a s t
3200,
00y %az
now
it was 50,0001.,
tote propor-
Xeverth_, ismate was increased in the same
gratifying
Ate,,,(4 thewhfP 8, he considered it the most
4; a the ole series, seeing that it was calculated toiim-
'l, peacountry,,, and make it internally, as well as ester-
°fkce oil and happy.
hk, rOx s •
o seter said
the formation of- a few schools of a high
4,tatttv, ~,3 Much more advantageous than the formation
hit'aie 'lW' a contrary character. The present was, however,
ttar", thaell a further change was necessary. It seemed to
tory. ;liTie other mode of distributing the grant was ne-
-11,7 Year ue sum it was intended to expend was 55,0001.
eeoaeoll school building. He thought, however, the time
,Zal ter to check this ex.pense. There was already school-
tiv4cl the'"re than twice the number of pupils that at-
e, e,, • more
He also thought there was too much exclu-
IP,_4eh-0441..the. distribution of the gran_t, a_ad that the classes
0 the idol deed should be embraced. One o these classes
411iti- secular schools which were so popular with the
714 classes sto be self-supporting. . Another class
ti."W.ll e),"o°,se, ichools which were disqualified by their
._N td glsvness—suehschools under charity trusts. A.
as
Mkrit !ts..rtohe ragged schools. This class was at pre-
might justly be
letolLtlea 12a the grant, though they
.A fourth class was schools connected with
the
in manufacturing towns. Another
fete
wes Jew schools. He considered the training
ere in a condition to train more schoolmasters than
fki,(154:18..a demand for—they. were now 6,000
opeth„r4uy bore a considerable disproportion to the
his
services. He should have been glad to have
in number,
" „aF a national system of education realised, and to look
torTts arrangement as merely provisional.
Witl4 JOHN RUSSELL—I certainly do look forward
ther establishment of a system of national edu-
'444tiou 4Stinea .) At present, however, we are doing all that
t`,3,1; 91_15 matter.
tTlq t°!it'r applauded the formation of village libraries,
t),`, ,tne promotion of evening schools. He trus:ed „1,41 be able in some future year to expand the educa-
..ntera and
Le er,„ , have an annual statement, as in the case
Rt. t,;-"Y and navy estimates.
1311tll " • MILES
v„Tt to thought that the teaching of the Bible
tithttT the foundation of their educational system. He
" soli
°° Rouse and the Noble Lord to insist on making
• "13 rud•
14 hr. tit, imentally Christian.
waimo,,,'LE asked the lion. Member what he would do
Nabie "an if he made the Bible and Christianity an indis-
oht,oh,, pan of education ? What he regretted in the sys-
-I°Bctir,":;tiffat it did not reach those poor districts where no
tittirv"iop could be raised. Until schools were established
ihattied eutiage, he despaired of seeing education effectually
Government ought to refuse employment to
gttqttt,could net read and write.
tiple.„' -ELL begged to ask the Noble Lord upon what
elated
Blandfor was that so small a sum as 150,0001. should be
r the education of a population of 16,000,000 in
412 6,541,!(,,1,51,34,560/. for Ireland, where the population was
tet'ltt"l6TU
bo. foe _ said the Noble Lord had announced his in-
towed
wi!,!stablish a national system of education, and this,
itibttrettil,hfetetaieer(islae Statement of the Hon. Member for Oldham,
forward with alarm to the time when a num-
tsitt_'eetet edtwilti had received a high degree of moral and ookt
em to should be thrown upon the world
idealsgurat
tha,cl 11! WantiPe:ioYs him with some apprehension,
oeitofiwillow they could be assured that
Sal):°ePe'llcirive w.ould be safe members of society? With
iedetY extension foundation laid he should not be alarmed
the fear any ns education- (Hear, hear)—nor did he
of the Gov ? "nes, whether they should come from
arty that the
t4eltg ° • lle trusted duration
tia,Protest ofthe
irtelll of net' P
peo ierninent or elsewhere ; because he well
of this country would never consent to
ducation which was not based. on re-
the Governrnqnt would not listen. to
ter more solo i on. Member for Oldhatn. against building
tined got ailedavl) "houses. The manufacturing districts had got as_an themselves of those grants, and now that they
y schools
toTe rural ..entatives to throw difficulties in the way
ilp observ'e'al‘cts obtaining similar advantages. It was
of
tiae conditi at one-sixth or one-seventh of the whole
Ilttd her that La
„Ilot received received grants from the National Society
Imposed,m the Privy Council on account
tog ,atholi
atnlatmsvenast,a
Lri that t, 1:18 and they had just reason to com-
elan .e 3, were not placed in so liberal a position as the
e ,to all departure from the understand-
he erne to in p•
IVotil"nbuted which was, that the fund was to
Christians alike.—(Hear hear.) The
-mg t thnq had stated that there was a surplus' of soul ewhat
6°'°". did not object to this, but thought