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he could not lister/ to i!.. .1( this •Itesoloo.on
was a necessary corollary the other night, he
saw no reason why' it should not be a neces.
nary corollary now. The Motion went far be.
y„ood what had been done, inasmuch as what had
been done was net security for the perpetual exclu.
stun of the Noble Lord, tilt,' it wois to be expeded he
would not be reinstated. The only excuse that could
be offered to the Public for not following up the Re.
solution agreed to on the other night was, that in
the progress of the future investigation matter of
extenuation may come out. He did not think that
could be. He thought the House justified in the
vote of the last night, isecaese the whole of the case
was before them. If he did not think so, God
fOrbid that he should °Ned to any thing that could
place, the case in a fuller or peter view. There
was nothing to impeaelt the decision then made on
the fairest motives : he should, therefore, require a
promise or declaration, which would !ender it im.
possible to restore Lord Melville. Otherwise, he
had such a hold of those who were in power : they
were so linked and connected together, thet an at.
tempt may be made to counteract what the House
had done. One instance was well known, in which,
after a censure more strong than that now put up.
on Lord Melville, the Noble Person recovered his
situation, and the highest honours of the CoUntry
were showered on him. What the House pro_
nounced in its best judgment should therefore not be
given up.under less than an express pledge for what
was implied in the Resolution of the fernier night.
As to the idea that malice and passion entered into
these proceedings,-and the Call for moderation and li.
berality ; no passion or malice had entered into the
proceedings ; moderation and liberality were good
thing*, but they may be carried too far. Let it
not be imputed to him, he was sure the imputation
could not be made by his Hon. Friend (Mr. CAI.
N I NG), that he was deficient in moderation or Jibe.
rality, in thinking the consistency of the House of
Commons doubtful in persevering in carrying into
effed the judgment it had firmed. lie mould not have
any falling off from the great dial produced,by
the former Resolution. He would have the honour
worn in its newest gloss, and be was unwilling the
glory should be shorn off any of its beams. The
House of Commons was on its trial., Some reTed
was always due to public opinion, particularly on
causes in which the Public felt its interests so much
concerned. It was impossible the'l any de.
ference for public clamour could have any ie.
euence in didtating the decision of . the House.—
Having formed a Resolution that :the Noble Lad
was guilty of a, base breach of duty, such as was
most shocking to public opinion, the further pro.
ceedtng was neceseilty for the cherader of the
House. The Noble Lord's guilt was attended with
very aggraVating circumstances ; he did not mean
to extend the charge to corruetion, and was it ma.
iignity to endeavour to secure the Public against
his future malversations. It was not neceseery in
these circumstances for the Members of the House
of Comitions, sitting as judges in the case, to go
behind the bar, as the advocates of the
,accused ,
every enlarged principle of law-and public justice
dictated a different conduct. It was 'the duty of
Parliament to do justice between the individual
and the Country,without being led away by feelings.
He adverted again to the power of the Noble Lerti's
Friends, and the possibility of his frustrating the
Resolution of Parliament, if every precaution was'
not taken. Though the Noble Lord my be iarus
amicis, he was not idoeeus purist. He would, there.
L fore; have the point put on the clearest understand.
ing, so as to make this suppletnentel Rosolutien on.
necessary. If that were dune, he had no motive of
resentment against the Noble .Lord, and would be
glad to snare him further mortilicetion. .
The CHANCELLOR of the. EXCHEQUER
rather hoped and expelled that the express under.
standing, which hid been given, and which he had
no difficulty to confirm, would haVe prevented fur. •
ther argument, and put a stop to any ulterior Reso.
lotions. He trusted that in consideration of this
declaration, coupled with what wei expressed by the
Honourable Gentleman opposite whets, he set down,
and from a regard to feelings to which he wished
to apply, the Motion would nut be pressed. The
' House, he was sure, would be disposed to spare those
who were nearly eunnekied with the Noble Lord, as
well as those who could not help, feeling, the ten.
derma, friendship for him ; a feeling which he was
surd the House wend,' not be disposed to censure.
It was impossible while the vote of the fermer night
was entered on the Journals, that the House could
apprehend any danger of seeing the Noble Lurd
again in office, unless .the vote itself were at an
end. As to the extension of the Innulry, if any
thing should come out in consequence of that
Change, to the opinion of the House, he was sure
Gentlemen would allutie that the Resolution should
be changed with thp opinion. But in no other
Cake than the House beiog convinced the Resolution,
Wits founded in error, and rescinding it en that
ground, in no other case could the Crown be advised
by its Ministers to re.employ the Noble Lord.
He had been misconceived by the Hon. Gentleman
opposite (Mr. GREY) in the expression of surprise
_he had uttered : it was surprise not that the Hon.
Gentleman shOuld imagine there was nu danger of
his return, but that he should not, in the cone.
Bence that it could not take place with the Resole.
lion on the Journals, think 'it unnecessary to press
this Motion, which' went only to attain' the same,
though' by a different mode. This understanding,
while it was conformable to the liberality of the
House, would not take from its firmness its means
of -enforcing its Reselutioe.
'Mr. FOX Wished to set right the Hon. Gentle-
man on the Bench below him (Mr. BANK es), who
had very much misconceived the , proceedings in
this business. If the question hed been pressed that
night, the lion. Gentleman would have supported
it as a corollary, why snot now as well ? He was
sore the Hun. Gentleman who had spoken under
the Gallery would have supported it thercelso, and
why did not he support it now ? His I ion. Ftieod
postponed the Motion then, because it did not 21:-
peer a proper time to take the !Neese Niche House
upon it,
and also to give His Majesty's Ministers
the opportunity of eding es they ought to do upon
such a Resolution. This was the sense he for one
entertained of the understanding that v. as conic (0.
I; appeared to him and his liennue.Re '1'661".

that'On a 4:ie:than oT sod; importance, inipartanee
safrictent for another debate, it was not fit to
ask the sense of the House at that late, heita.—
He allowed also that other objeAs might be partly
entertained. He did not unde;stand the hint to go
to that, hut he did think with himself the delay
may produce that further advantage also'. But his
expeaations were very ill answered if it was con.
ceived that Lord Melville, merely tendering his
resignation, and that resignation being accepted,
w,•tild satisfy the House. When he canctled Mi.
nisters would do their duty in conformity to the Re.
solution, could he suppose they would content them-
selves with a simple voluntary rereaval, without
any sufficient mark consequent to tke censure of
the House of Commons. He did expeat His
Majesty would have been advised to dismiss the
Noble Lord with some expression of his displeasure
for what had passed. If, therefore, the Honourable
Gentlemen were not still on his side, he lamented
it ; but the (17nm:crawls:ad lor,r;r:iniidas of bring.
ing on an important question at six o'clock in the
morning had not altered the case. He came now
to the speech of the Honourable Gentleman over
the way (Mr. CANNING), which was so cot Ma.
gent as hardly to admit a serious reply.—As if the
indignation which was so generally excited in
the Country was nothing, the Hanaurable Gen.
tleman stigmatized as tyrannical and despotic she
disapprobation of the employment of a man whom
he himself ultimately dismissed as improper. 'Why
did the Hon. Gentleman think it improper to suspend
the employment of a man acCused on his own tes-
timony, because the affair was sub judice ? Why
did he dismiss him since the Resolution, while the
affairswas Bill sub
.istelire P Was it not the fad,
that she Hon. Gentleman made. this dismissal at
length under the influence of alarm for the effat the
further employment of a man, su accused, may have
for himself and his Colleagues ? He could not sit
quiet and hear all the claims that had been
made fur tenderness and
.liberality towards Lard
Melville, without making some observation upon
them, though he should even expose hitnself to the
charge of bitterness or rancour, from which his con.
dutft was in all, other instances free. Why was this
tenderness so repeatedly and urgently claimed tor
the convicted guilt of Lord Melville, Was it be.
Cause he had aegleeted nu opportunity of multiplying
emoluments Was it because, in the Grant to Lady
Melville, of the office of Chamberlain of Fife, to the
amount ut fifteen hundred pounds a year, the arrears
due to the former holder were strangely added by
the Treasury ? Was it because, •,hen he accepted
the office of First Lord of the Admiralty last year,
he required an addition of t soot. a-year, not to that
office, in which the salary was inadequate to the ion.
portance of the charge, and the extent of the duty,
!out to that ot Keeper of the Privy Seal for Scut.
land, which, from the nature of the Grant, he
holds for life ? It had been said, in praise of
Lord -Melville, that he had employed Officers
whose political sentiments differed from his
own. What Minister had not done so ?
Had not Lord North employed Admiral Saunders,
and Admiral Keppel ?--But, say his defenders, he
was never bitter in his political animosities. He
would relate to the House an incident, which, but
for the assetlitni that Lord Melville was not a
violent Partisan, he would, perhaps, never have
mentioned, At a peiiod in the 'last War, when
the Country was in as great alarm of an In.
va.sion as it had been In the commencement of
the present contest, the- inhabitants of the town
of Tavistoek offereid to artn with the late
Duke of Bedford at their head, which offer, on
the suggestion of Lord Melville, was rejected,
on account of political difference. The Dean of
Faculty too, in Scotland, than whom there could
not exist a more able Lawyer, or a more bril-
liant and worthy man, was displaced for simi.
lar ;coons. It had been said by the Right
Hon. Gentleman opposite of his Hona Friends near
him, that, they had evinced more than Spartan vir.
rue in attacking a man who had heretofore defend.
ed thope with whom they were conne4led by
the ties of blood. IfSpartan virtue. were teqUired,
he knew not where it could be looked for with
greater probability of success than in the breasts of
-his Honourable Friends, but in the present instance
there was no exercise for such virtue. Under what
obligations were the two Noble Lords to Lord
Melville ? He had eruPloyed them in the service of
their Country ,they were successful ; some corn.
plaints were' brought against them, and he had de.
tended their conduct:, The contest had been repre-
sented as violent. 1 •

He had examined the Journals of the Hoese, and 'he
found tl}at althotigh"there were three diVisioti4, the
number (of the Minority on •those divisions was on
one thirteen, on another fourteen, and on the third
seventeen I What was the amount of the Noble
Lord's merit in this case ? He had employed two
gallant Officers, who, by their bravery and good
conduCt, rescued the Ministry from the imputation
under which they. had- laboured from the re
cotnence.
tnent of the 'War, of inadivity and iinbecility.—
They ate accused in Parliament unjustly, and the
party feeling of Lord Melville it not quite strong
enough to induce him to oppose them: An Hon.
Bank Direetur, in repeating the. Resolutions of the'
klouse on Monday night had said, that they: charged
the Noble Lord with inattention to'hivtiuty; Not
so ; the Charge was for gross vi,lation of his duty.
That .was something more than inattention.' •He
sincerely and earnestly hoped the House would main.
ain the-character they ha& act/aired by their ac-
spiescence in those Resolution., ; and that they
would never.be justly accused of swerving from the
path of duty through nay apprehensions of the con.
Sequences. After putting' together 'What 'had fallen
from the other side of the House, and win t had fallen
Isom an HONOentiernan on the same side as him.
self, , he confated he • felt no great solicitude for
pushing the Motiun to a Division. The latter had
totiti-;thit it 'may be proceeded with 'hereafter.....
Mays'! exclaimed Mr. Fox, " I say it must !"
Bitter and violent as he had been imagined to 'be,
he was •willing that this should be the last measure,
that it should finish the Criminal Proceeding-4, H 4
had no inclinaiton to pursue the delinquent further.
lie should certainty support the itcpositi.‘n w make
hail refund r.iat weaiih which was the Pto.,
perry ; 1.41 this wouid be a Ci vil PruCCa.r, nor a
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to inquire into she pounds on which the Noble
Lord had obtained several Grants from the Crown,
several of which were known to be erroneous ; bUt
this was not a Criminal Proceeding. In his opinion,
the Address at present moved for would he the
most proper tnede of finishing the Crimioal Pro..
ceediagsof the House against Lord Melville; bat
if it were thought more proper to postpone it, he
had no very strong ~bi,aion to the delay; after the
declaration of the Right H Gentle Man, which
completely did away all possibility of Lord Melvill's
return to Odice„ at least during his Adininistration.
With the permission of the House, he would say a
few words on the subjed of his own expulsion fro
tho Privy Council. He had carefully examined the
List,. and he found, that in the whole course of fini
Majesty's Reign, this punishment had been it ida.
persons, the late Duke of Devoo;.
ed
shire, anol(wmsoelf; and he assured the Right Hon.
Gentleman, that he did riot wish for such a coma
paaion as Lord Melville. If Ireland were inclUded
in the calculation, one man mote would he found
who had shared the same fate; but it would be veiy
incongruous, if Mr. Grattan, the constant tvrtt.
mitting pursuer and dereetar of abuses, should be
associated with a man who had been guilty of the
most enormous abuses. Tice Right Honourable
Gentleman seemed to be of Opinion, that the very
jet of the Resolutions of Mooday was, that Lori
Melville was by them virtually rendered incapable
of again . folding Offices of Trust and Honour.
With this impreasion, lie had no great onjettion ter
sec the Motion of his Hon. Friend withdrawn. Die
worst of it' would pie, that no statement ut all this
would exist on the journals of the Hotoe, The
Public would *aye " .The transaftions of the Muse
on Monday were highly praiseworthy ; but they
have 'not followed them up ;
they have admitted
the premise., hut they refuse the conclusions ; they
have passed the Resolutions, but they do cot "Atte
to the corollary which justly fiowe trim them."...
The Houle should recollect, that the Public Aiten.
tion is most c, mpletely awakened on this subjett,
and that the Public 01. inion ought to thfloence tine ti
so tar as to prevent their shewing tenderness ogtoir,
The House should likewise recollect, the unplea.
sant situation in which they placed His Majesty:—
The House had read the Report, they had consi.
dered its contents, and they had: prooounced
judgment on the culprits. His M.jaaty had not
an opportunity of she wing them one mark of hia
displeasure. For it would be futile to say, that
that was CKpttsitil ley the acceptooec of Lord
Melville-a resignation. He himself, when at ai
former period he resigned his seat in the Cabinet,
availed himself of the 4rst opportunity to pay his
respetts to His Majesty, t!eat it might not oe sup.
posed any political Feelings could weaken his at.
rachment to him as his Sovereiglo May not Lord
Melville do the same ?—May he not be seen at
Court unless some step be taken by the Executive
as well ashy the Legislative Power to prevent it
Dearly -as he loved and respeCted the House of
CoMmons, as the corner-stone, as the foundation of
the edifice of the State, he should be extremely
sorry to see the confidence of the People placed
solely on that House, and lost to Ills M ,jetty'.
He should be very sorry to hear it said, " The
House of Commons have done their duty—the
! louse of Lords., may do their duty, but the King
has, not done his duty." Is that a titution into
which Ministers would chose to thirow their Sove.
reign ?-a-The matter has been extensively agitated,
and the People demand, and ought to have aunotana
tial justice. He waned Ministers to weigh well
the importance of the juncture. In this ferment
they ought to prevent those who did not wish well
to a Monarchical form of G ivernment from being
able to draw a line between the King and the Par.
liament, and to assert with any chance of being
believed, that the sensibility of the Monarch was
dead to the crimes which filled the minds of his Sub.
jetty with indignation.

- Mr. WiLIiERFORCE repeated the opinions
which he expressed on Monday evening, as to the
importance of the subjeift, and the necessity of search.
ing into abuses, the existence of which was preg.
mint with danger to the Constitution and the Court.
try. It was by no means his wish to shelter Pub-
lic Offenders from that punishment which the House
were imperiously called upon by their duty to in-
diet on them; but he certainly thought that the
circumstanees of the present case were considerably
changed by the resignation of the Noble Lord, and
he therefore confessed, that he wished the Hon.
Gentleman would withdraw his Motion ; at the,
saute time, if the H )n.. Gentleman pressed it to a
division, lie by no means meant to say, that he
should vote againit its adoption.' In the execution
of their Public Duties, Public Men ought not to be
governed by any motives but those or Public Uti.
,lity. He did not like the system of adhering to a
Party, fur tlae sake of that Party alone. What had
been said by au Hon. Gentleman that evening sheet.
ed the danger of aettog on such a system, although
he could not but admit, that Lord Me LV I t, t. s, had
at least acted lib:rally in employing the two No.
We Lords alluded to. Mr. WlLticeeoe.ce con.
cltiod;stel,
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jrattildletsh:etnitnhge
the effg.t of the vute of the House on Monday, by
per,isling in leis present Motion, when it was evi.
dent that many. ~vlembers were unfavourable to the
Litter, who were Wilitn in their approbation of the
former proceeding.
1;‘,7 1,1,E A: hoped the Honourable Gentleman
w0u,1.1 silt the mattei to the bottols, aild not ullow
the depredators on the Ptvilic,to go.undrietted tnid
unpunished. If there was a gr'ain of ipecacoanha or
of emetic tartar.in the world, he trusted it would
be administered to the delitoluents, to oblige them
to re.gorge their ill,gotten gains. (a loud laugb.)
Toe pwccedings of Monday would be rtuga,oty tf
they were thtt tAlo.sed up. by 'ton: Msiti,,tl) itke the.
present ; at the same time he ths,oglt: that the
House should not be ton precipitate in their steps;
and he Wa't not sore that it was .tdviscabie .t,a press
it I:rwatil as was tY Milt/lea by the
Gn.ltlein in.
Mr. S. 1)1'ot-row explaity-tis

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