The Sun.
London, England, 1834-08-09 00:00:00

WEST INDIA COLONIES.

The SECRETARY for the COLONIES, in ansiver to a
question from Mr. Wilks respecting the moral and religious
instruction to be afforded to the apprenticed labourers of the
West India Colonies, sad that it certainly was a question of
great importance, and all he could say was that the subject
was at the present moment under the consideration of the Go-
vernment, and he hoped that they would be able to adopt some
plan by which instruction should be afforded to this class of
persons upon a liberal and comprehensive system.—( Hear.)
OMNIBUS NUISANCE.

Col. EVANS, after referring to the nuisance occasioned by
the increased number 3f this species of vehicle, begged leave
to ask whether there would be any objection to issue direc-
tions to the heads of the police, to direct them to be more
vigilant in removing or lessening the nuisance.
Mr. E. J. STANLEY said (as we understood) that there
must be some additional powers granted to enable them to issue
any additional directions.
THE CASE OF MAJOR PITMAN.

Mr. WILKS wished to know what had been done by the
Government in the case of the Magistrate of the name of
Pitman, who was sentenced by his brother Magistrate to pay
a fine of 51. There was a general feeling in the country
that this fine was an improper and unsatisfactory punishment,
and that instead of fining this magistrate, they ought to have
referred the case to the sessions. He wished also to know
whether there had been any communication with the Lord
Lieutenant of the County of Devonshire upon this subject.
Mr. E. J. STANLEY said that the Government felt that
the matter could not be in better hands than in those of the
Noble Lord, the Lord Lieutenant of the county, and therefore
left the investigation of the circumstances of the case to him.
Lord EBRINGTON said, that as Lord Lieutenant of the
County, he had felt it his duty to state to the Lord Chancellor
the circumstances of this case, with the conviction that had
been obtained. and the Lord Chancellor had, in consequence,
felt it his duty to remove the magistrate in question (Major
Pitman) from the commission.—( Hear, hear.)
STARCH DUTY REPEAL BILL.
Upon the motion of Lord ALTHORP, the Starch Duty
Repeal Bill was read a third time.
STONE BOTTLES DUTY BILL

Upon the motion of Lord ALTHORP, the Stone Bottles
Duty Repeal Bill was read a ilrst, second, and third time.
SPIRITS DUTIES BILL.

Upon the motion of Lord ALTHORP that the Spirits
Duties Bill be read a third time,
Mr. BL AM IRE wished to remind the Noble Lord of a pe-
tition that had been presented by him a short time since,
from a body of respectable spirit dealers in Carlisle,
complaining of various matters, particularly of the hardships
they suffered by the system consequent on the carrying on
of the smuggling that was practised, and wishing to know
if any step was intended to be taken by Government
with a view to put an end to such a system, This
question he begged to put to the Noble Lord now. The
petition also complained that the dealers were under great
difficulties from not being allowed to carry on their
business at any place save one, and that one " being
a chartered fair. It was impossible for the dealers
to know, in most instances, which fairs were chartered
fairs, and he (Mr. B.) wished to know if any measure was to
be adopted in respect of this. He hoped that the Noble
Lord would, upon revising the law affecti.ig spirit dealers,
endeavour to afford them some relief upon this. If he would,
it would tend much to reconcile licensed dealers to the im-
posts now about to be imposed upon them.
Lord ALTHORP said there was certainly nothing in the
present Bill to affect the system of smuggling, either for the
better or the worse. There always had been great difficulty
in preventing smuggling. It undoubtedly was the duty of
Government to do all it could to check it, and it would con-
tinue to use every exertion with that view. The means
that had been taken, lately had had a very beneficial
effect.—( Hear.) With regard to the chartered fairs, as
distinguished from other fairs, if he (the Noble Lord)
could find any means of defining such fairs, he would most
gladly avail himself of any advantage that might be likely
to be afforded by it. He would give the subject all
the consideration he could. He was aware that the
interpretation put upon the restriction of dealers not going to
any fairs except chartered rairs was very strict, and stricter
than it ought to be.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
Lord ALTHORP moved the'order of the day for the third
reading of the Consolidated Fund Bill.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG inquired whether any thing had been
done to carry into effect the recommendation which had been
made by the Committee on Official Houses to appropriate a
house to the librarian of the House of Commons.
Mr. HUME said that such a house was set apart, but in the
possession of another person.
Lord ALTHORP was understood to say that he was not
prepared to answer the question.
After a few words from Mr. RUTH YEN,
Mr. ATTWOOD wished to ask the Noble Lord whether
in granting such large sums of money, they were given
to purchase the degradation of England?—( Hear,
He alluded to the state of affairs in Poland, Turkey, and Rus-
sia, and unless the foreign honour of the country was supported
he should oppose every Appropriation Bill.
Lord ALTHORP was satisfied that the honour of Eng-
land was perfectly secure.—( Hear. ) hear. )
Mr. H UME asked whether it was not intended to take
100,0001. from the Consolidated Fund, for the purpose of
supplying the deficiencies of tithes in Ireland.
Mr. LITTLETON said there was not any such intention.
Mr. H UME said there was such a sum mentioned.
Mr. LITTLETON said there was 100,000/. borrowed
for the purpose of meeting the first demands of the clergy,
and the deficiency of tithes occasioned by, the allowance of
one-fifth,would be paid out of the Consolidated Fund.
Mr. SHAW contended, that the whole system was a
delusion, and that there never would be sufficient resources
arising from the Perpetuity Purchase Fund, to pay the yearly
demand of 100,000/.

After a few words from Col. DAVIES and Lord ALTHORP,
Mr. SHAW observed that the whole measure of the Irish
Tithe Bill was a gross delusion ; and that any expectation of
ever recovering. the mcney which was to be advanced to carry
the Bill into effect, was entirely fallacious.
Mr. LITTLETON expressed his firm conviction that the
result would in all respects disappoint the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman's expectations. But if it should not be so—if it
should turn out that some sacrifice was necessary—it must be
recollected that that sacrifice was for the pacification of an
entire country. The measure was one to which the Protestant
clergy of Ireland were looking with hope and confidence.
Among other representations on the subject, he had received
a communication from the whole of the Protestant clergy of
the diocese of Dromore, declaring that if the Irish Titheßill
were not to pass into into a law, they should regard the con-
sequences with the utmost apprehension and alarm.
The order of the day was then read. On the motion that the
Bill be now read a third time,
Mr. S HAW declared that so far was the measure from being
popular in Ireland, that he would undertake to say it gave
almost entire dissatisfactidn in that country. His correspon-
dence with Ireland was more extensive than that of any other
Hon. Member for Oat country, and than that of any member
of his Majesty's Government; and he was well assured from
that correspondence, that a majority of his constitutents were
unquestionably hostile to the Tithe Bill.
Mr. Secretary RICE observed, that the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman, to be assured of that fact, must have had commu-
nications with twelve or thirteen hundred of his constituents.
He (Mr. Rice) congratulated his Noble Friend, the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, on the great increase of the Post-
office revenue, which that circumstance must have occasioned.
--(A laugh,) From what he knew of Ireland, however, he
must utterly deny the Hanourable and Learned Gentleman's
conclusion. If ever there was a measure which was consi-
dered to be for the good of the Protestant Church and the
Protestant laity in Ireland, it was the Irish Tithe Bill. He was
sure that the landlords of Ireland would give every possible
facility to the arrangements on the subject. But in what
condition would the Protestant clergy of Ireland be placed,
if, instead of obtaining the advantages of the Bill, they were
thrown back on the peasantry of that country, under new cir-
cumstances of excitement and discontent ? He was convinced
that by placing the burden on the landlords they had got rid
of the greatest cause of complaint and dissatisfaction. He