The Sun.
London, England, 1851-07-15 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PA RLIAMENT.

(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF' COMMONS.
The SPELLER t. rho• Cair at Twelve o'ekck.
Tire S .utii Holland Drainage Act Amendment Bill No
read a becoad time, and o. d, red to be committed.

YE II LIONS.
Several petitions were prebelitid in favour of convert-
ing the erg silt), PAllekitit., a winh,r garden.

- THIRD READING-.
The Unle,wfui Oaths Bill (Ireland) was read * third
time arid or~d.
The Turnpike Roads (Ireland) Bill was read a third
time and las,“l.
The Private Lunatic Allums (Inland) Bill was read
a third time and past,e,i.
The Turnpike Ante Continuance Bill was read
third time and passed.
HA RW IC II ELECTION.
Mr. DEEDES brougra up the repo, t of the Harwich
Election Committee, declaring that the sitting Mcinber
Mr. Crawford hail not been oily dented, and Vt& the
last electim wa* v, id.
COUNTY COURTS FUR FH.f.R EX FENSIOS

BILL.
Tho 13Juse then went 111L0 Committee ou this Xlll
Mr. BERNAL in tht.
Clau‘es up to 9 inefo*ive were agreed to Wilh BO
blight amen,imen s. Cluuse 10 was pstpuued. Cisusis
II and 12 were ugre,d

On claws, 13 oeing p.oposerl.
The A T FORNEY-GENERAL informed the C"i;
mittee that the atioroeys had entered into a wide--r-"se
confederacy to prevent b,srtis,ers practising in rued
courts. N.,w this clams Teta. dto this very :Atli er,spi
a
as he was anxious to see the bar protect d agar
such cot.spiretes, he Ras desirous of moving au amen
mem on Ws clause. It was not the higbest class °d:
attorneys who practise in these courts. He quite 5,
mated that it was essential that justice should be or
ministered in these courts as cheap as possible, but 11l
practice ot exciudin4 Wit oar did riot itidul4 ayateat
economy, bec-usia the Act of Parliament specified the
tees to be paid to counsel, and those f-es the littoral
claimed, although he had not had the assistance of II
gentleman at the bar. It was of the last degree of itn:
portance, that the advocate practising in these cone;
should be men of standing and ability.—(Hear, Litt"
Now an attorney could not be supposed ._.ll°.
p.rfmin the twofold oharact,r of attorney and au;
vocate with efficiency, and it was for the interest
of the public and the profession that the labour sheltie
be divided in these courts, as it was to the superior cool
of Westminster. He, theresore, hoped the clause wend •
be so amended that the bar should not be exclude'"
from praAising in these courts, but that where a poll,
decided to have Ins cause advocated by a barrister,
attorney should have power to retain one.
Mr. FI I Z ROY had no ohjection to meet the views If
the L- arued Attorney -Genetal as far as it was prael:
canle, but he disputed many of the arguments which a,
Hon. and Learned Gentleman had urged in favour °'
his proposal. He objected to give an exclusive sudlen°l
to the oar. No difficulty had hitherto been felt from
allowing attorneys to practise as advocates in On
courts, and he could see no reason why one branch it
the profession should be favoured more than another.
a client wished his attorney to act as his advocate, the
House had no right to interfere so as to prevent his ell°
joyieg that privilege, and ho should certainly resist ea
propesal which would have that effect. He was at f
loss to understand what was the dismict proposition O
the Learned Attorney-General. If it was that the bar
ir
should have an exelusive s:Hence, he should feel it t 0
t"
be his duty to take the sense. of the Committee upon
but it, on the sifter hand, it wit+ only to give the Ole°
the alternative of empl tying cuunsel, he should make s°.
Abjection to it.
Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND said this was a 'VI:
gle between cheap and thar justice.—(Hear, hear.) T;;
courts of Westminster looked upon these cheap 00115,1
courts with jealous eyes, and they wished to curtail th,
functions as much as possible. The courts of Virt
tetester, howeier, bad themselves to blame, for I'll"-
they enj.,yed the monopoly of administering justice Oil
r- 'used to reduce th it lees or to rehire:l their technic t•
ties in pleading, and eventually the public had e
alternative but to come to Parliament for redress. Thll
was an old saying, that n certain people fell 05
honest men got their due. Now this was a quarrel be:
tween the attoiney aid the lawyer, end he hoped the
upshot would be in favour ot the public. At all events'
be trusted the Gtn mttree would not give an exclussf-
audience to the bar.

The AT TORNEY GENERAL said what he PIT
posed was that the cheat should be allowed to let bh'
attorney plead his cause, but in all cases where another
advocate was required the attorney should be compelled
to call in the assistance of a b.rrister.
Mr. HENLEY was willing to be guided in decidivi
the question by the opinion of the Hon. and Leer°.
Attorney-General. He was quite ready to agree W
clause which should give the barrister and the attOinsb
a clear stage and no ittvour. He bad no objection, boar
ever, to give the client the alternative suegeated by tb:
Hon and Learned AttursepGetieral; but at the asp'
time be was free to confess that be should Pave bead
much better satisfied bed the field been lett open to sh.
Mr. HUME concurred will the Honourable G 410;
man who bad just sat down, that there ought to be !A
favour shown to either side. No Riau ought to be toter",
to retain a barrister if he was satisfied with the *Wit/
of his attorney.
Mr. E. DENISON thought the suggestion of tbs
Honourable mud Learned Attoruey-General would Or
rise to great iticonvenience, end fur his part he was 401.
posed to throw the field open to attorneys as well as to
barristers. It would be of great advantage to 000
courts and the public. if a regular attendance of the Of
could be secured in all of them. There ought to be 0,1
favouri nun shown to either side, but the parties should
have a right to go either to an attorney or a barrister. °
Mr. FRESHEIELD said it was hopeless to think
securing the attendance of a respectable bar in tbe'''
courts unless advocates were placed on an equal feotia
with ihe attorneys.
Toe SOLIDI FOR-GENERAL objected to the Pl°,
proposed by the Hon. Member for Oxtordshire, ['testi°
it would introduce a timid crass into the profession, Ohl
would be neither attorney nor barrister, but a sort
savocating attorney.
Lord ROBERT GROSVENOR said, as he had taken
the atturneya and solicitors peculiarly under his prutte
tion, perhaps the Committee would allow him to 6%
a few words upon the subject. He had no doubt
that Wes:nonater Hail was exceedingly sorry Ost
County Courts had ever been established at all, and 131
could not cousent to the proposal that it' a party requirt
to seek the advocacy of some other person besides bl:
attorney he should bi compelled to seek that person re
the bar. He would rath,r see the propoa .1 of 111,1
Honourable Friend be Member for Oxford adopted, 0"
it it came to a division he should certaioli, vote for it. ,
the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER solo'
what the Gostrioneu. proposed was this—so far 1116 tbo
-
old jurisdiction of these courts was concern. d, a pall
should be allowed to tmpfoy a barrister throne
his attorney, it he so thought but in to'
terrace to the new• jurisdiction about to be esti'
blished, a party should be _ allowed to sppost
either by attorney or a barrister, or any other persoo
who should be npp; ovcd of by the judge of the court.
Mr. ANS lEY said in the colonies the practice pre
vailed of instrucima stt,rn.y as advocate, through 0.
attorney ; and the result of it bad been the utter de
struction of the bar. Now, he was afraid the same 000"
sequence would follow if it were adopted here, and b.
should therefore protest against its being sanctioned bi
the Bill.

Mr. CARDWELL said, what the Committee wantoi
to do was this. that the pour suitor should not be cotir
pelled to employ an advocate if he did not think fit; 'hal
he should be allowed to employ an attorney or a barrio'
ter, ur whomsoever he pleased, providing he had the
sanction of the judge. and he would therefore suggest
that they adopt a simple clause which should rePos:
the pr..vision in the old Act relating to the employment
of the bar, and give the suitor the power which he bad
a tempted r.,
Mr. J. EVANS said, as be understood the wish of
the Cownitttee, it was this, that the Part-
y should sot'
ploy a barrister, without the-inee.rvention of an st,ornefr
and he for one approved 01 the proposal; of courtier
with the addi,i,nal pr.,viB tritit the party should be el
libt-sty to ewpl" an attorney. Or any other person, $0
plead his cause if so thought fir.
(LEFT SITTING.)

TIRE GRZAT EXHIBITION.—Yeatt-rday 2,957/. 81'
was received at the dem of the Crystal Palace, which W
visited by 62,694 Penang.

The stoppage of the M s•rs.lph and Risk, with
nobilities s ated at 60,u00/., took place at Liverpool on Se
turday. They were engaged in the Mediterranean trade►
and bad also been importers of sugar. In London, likewise►
a failure has taken place, the firm being that of Alessi*
Kalif and Blavrogo!dato, Greek merchants, whose liabilities,
are understood to be small.
The Ee►J and Countess of Kenmare have Pa
Belgrave-square, for his Lordship's romantic seat, near Kg'
larney.

Thy Right Hon. Sir George Grey, who has been
for some days indisposed at his mansion in Eston•place, Wal
better yesterday.
TkA TRADE, JUL! 14.—The deliveries of
tea last week were larger in the merropolis, being 662,0901 b.

BIRTHS.
or A SON.
On the 11th inst., at CAvendish-square, the lady of Georg*
Burrows, M.D.

Ou tbe I ith mat., at Bentinck-rreet, Manchester-square.
he wife of Dr. Sieveking.

OF ♦ DAUGHTER.
On the II th inst., in Chester-terrace, Regent's-park, the
Hon. LAcl v Pearson.
O❑ tae 1 Ith inst., at Chester-square, Mrs. J. Fletcher.

MARRIED.
On the 12th inst., at St. upnage, Greenwich, Thomas 3.
Kay, Eq., late of the Island of Jamaica, to Margaret, fifth
and youngeat daughter of the late George Ogilvy, Esq,
Kirk bibide, county of Forfar.

On the I th Luke's Chelsea, Mr. Frederick
C. Michels, of Sloan— treet, to Alin Marianne, second
daughter of Mr. Wsdice, also of Sloine•street.

DIED.
On the 12th inst.. at Caron-place, South Lambeth, Henri
B. H. Beauloy, Eiq , aged 64.
On the I Ith int., at Cast le-grove, Bampton, Devon, Eliz2.
beth, wife of Captaiu"?.ey mour, RN.
On the 121 h inst., at Warmley.house, Gloucestershire, G.
N. Davidson, E q., aged 71.
On the 11 th init., at Highbury-place, Edward Rigby, son
of William Bat.; Esq.
On the 9th inst., at Blackheath-hill, Mary Anne, wife of
George Blake. E.q.

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