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London, England, 1851-05-13 00:00:00

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LONDON, TUESDAY, MAY 12, 1851.

In the Fir me of Lords, last right, some discussion took
place on the presentation of a petition by the Earl of
GLENOALL, from the millowners of Tipperary, praying
for protection against the importation of foreign flour.
It, howi-ver, led to no result.
The Church Buildicgs Act Amendment Bill was or-
dered to be referred to a Select Committee, and their
Lordships adjourned.

In the Commons,
On the motion for going into Committee on the
Ecclesiastical Titles Assumption Bill,
Mr. Moonu moved, as an amendment, " That the
standing order which requires that Bills concerning
religion should be first cunsidered in a Committee of
the whole House be read, and that the order for the
Committee on the Ecclesiatical Titles Assumption Bill
be diichareed,"
_ _

Sir G. GREY said the question bad been considered
before the introduction of the Bill. and the decision ar-
rived at was, that the Bill did not come within the
scope tit the, standing order.
Mr. ROEBUCK was of a different opinion.
The SPEAKER said that unless the spiritualities of
religion were interfered with there would be no necessity
for submitting the Bill the first instance to a CORI.
I mittee of the whole ll,use.
Mr. M. G/BSoN suggested that a Select Committee
should be appointed to search for precedents.
Mr. IL GRATTAN supported the motion of Mr.
MOORE.
Mr. REYNOLDS said he wruld move the appointment
of a Select Committee, to search for precedents.
The SPEAKER said he could not do so as an amend-
ment fie could only negative the motion for his leaving
the chalr.

Mr. ROEBUCK b+lieved it was competent to move an
adjournment of the dt bate.
The SPEAKER replied in the affirmative; and
Mr. REYNOLDS accordir;gly chit so, in order to give
time for the appointment f a Committee.
Mr. KEOGH enid that Mr. BItODIE, Mr. BADDELEY,
and Sir klTzttoir KELLY uoostaeri.d that the Bill ought
to hive in Committee.
1 he Zi ULICITUR GLNERAL di-bled that the Bill affected
spiticu .

Mr. GLADSTONE Vf.,u!cl vote for a Committee to search
for precede..l%, ti thlt questi,n could be brough; fairly
bcfure

Mr. FADLEIR ,upporred the amendment.
• L ord J UN liussELL opposed, and Mr. BRIGHT sup-
ported, a r• t'.-renee LI) a Sit et Committee.
'loose liken ciividcd. awl thy adjournment of the
debate ta,:i.% i)egat+.v d by a majority of 17) to 53.
Mr. LAwLESS then alOveti he adjournment of the
Hou,e, wt,4, h 45 seolided b, Mr. H. GRATTAN.
Mr. REYNOLDS ra d if Lord JoHN RUSSELL
would gr,et a Coaled tee to inquire into precedents he
end t.i, friends Would in the mean time allow the Bill to
i•rt.e• eel ii, C•• minLiee,
air G. GREY the Home, after the recent divi-
sion, would reject the present motion, and allow the Bill
to prctecd.

After some conversation the Home again divided, and
the motion tor adjournment ryas negatived by a majority
of 145 to 36. •

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL opposed the motion for the
Speaker's I.=aving the ckair.
Mr. URQVHART also opposed the motion.
Mr. liEoun %allied the Government against the den-
g. roue conse queuces which must attend au attempt to
enfolea the pr,visions of the Bill iu Ireland, and con-
tended that the POPE bad received every encourage-
ment from the Government to act in the manner he had
done.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL denied that there was any per-
secution in the proposed measure. It was a political
m.-asure framed to repel an open and daring detidnce of
the
.SOVEREIGN of this country by the Count of Rome.
Mr. BRIGHT could not bee any necessity for Legisla-
tion in all that had taken place.
Mr. SCULLY moved the adjournment of the debate.
The House divided, and th© numbers were—
For the adjournment . . ... 54
Against it
Majority ...-311
Mr. OTLAHERTY then moved the adjournment of the
debate.

Lord J. RUSSELL was in hopes that they might have
gone into Committee, but rather than keep the House
dividing all night, he would assent to the adjournment
of the debate until Thursday next.
The Property Tax Bill was read a third time and
passed.
Lord SEYMOUR obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
make better provision fur the management of the Woods,
Forests, and Land Revenues of the Crown, and for the
direction of publio works and buildings.
The remaining business was then disposed of, and the
'Ruse adjourned.

There is apparently no art which has been brought
a higher degree of perfection than that of obstruct-
ng the public business of the country. Measures
will no longer be carried through Parliament because
they are in accordance with public opinion, and are
supported by overwhelming majorities in both Houses.
They will pass by the favour of the minorities, be-
cause they have not excited any strong feelings in
the minds of some fifteen or twenty Members, suffi-
cieut to induce those Einourable Gentlemen to enter
upon a course of factious opposition. The promise of
"dying on the floor of the Howe" will henceforward be
no mere brutum fulmen—no empty threat. Any person
really aminitioue of martyrdom can accomplish his
wishes, rovi.led he can find two or three tough vete-
rans, men who would be duly qualified to act as
boot-eaters " at Irish state trials, to render their
assistance to carry out the laud hle undertaking.
Indeed, we believe a single follower will suffice, one
who can ring the changes on the questions—" That
this House do now adjourn," and " that the debate
be now adjourned." It is necessary, according to
the standing orders, elk there should be some
intermediate proceeding, before either question
can be again proposed. But the spirit of this salu-
tary rule is violated with impunity by adopting the
Pu-tile evasion above indicated, and if a seconder
can he found who will act as teller on the division,
and vary his position on the next motion, of which
he will be the proposer, nothing can be done to atop
their course. Two persons can thus overule the
wishes of the remaining 654, and can arrest the pro-
gress of legislation at their mere will and pleasure. This
might be a valuable privilege if resorted to only on rare
occasions, when desirable to prevent surprise, or a
question of real importance being adjudicated on
without full and mature consideration. But the
matter has now reached a point at which something
must be done to abate- the nuisance that has gradually
sprung up. It is those who have so fearfully abused
the power confided to their hands who will be re-
sponsible for any evils that may arise from the abro-
gation of the Ancient rule.
After the time that had already been devoted to the
consideration of the Ecclesiastical Titles Assumption
Bill, we might have hoped that no further factious oppo-
sition would have beers offered to the progress of the
measure. It was es en asserted that the Irish Brigade
had come to reason, and determined to change their
tactics in some degree. Every legitimate ground
would of course remain open. They might argue
and divide on the principle and on each of the details,
on every stage, where a division could be fairly called
fur. In so doing, they would command the respect
and sympathy of the House and country. But
the
nn
the
eey
moat
tlfully and deliberately transgress
h
limits within which they should restrict
tohpe:onseelnytess ,cotuhledyacdepooorowmpeoirire to injure their cause
of t
r. disgust, that
not may
only.
to accomplish.
hu and
They uncompromisingexeexcite
a feeling
be productive of results very
ctfheuirnivoewrsnal irtidolievridatuiaolninatenc-
reete, but to the cause i
liberality,
do not complain of the point raised by the
‘.e e
Honourable Gentleman
the
Member
cfoonrsiAdleraeydo, thatand
the proposition should beenhave
agreed to in a Committee of the whole House before
e r lcoooukledd
have
vn e obviousr
eaa
o n.
the introduction of the Bill. A. fair point
was
thereby rei,ed, and if the Ministers had been caught
napping, and that they
had
ildy,nohjvesosttlerdYtopretclatousteion%: no
one overlooked
took advantage cf the
oversight. But it appears that the matter had bEen
clearly anticipated and canvassed by the Governm•nt,
and that the PIiIiMIER lied not only obtained the,
()pinions of the law officers of the Crown, but also of
the highest
Sr
ghestautho
Kcu of he
riitAtyonall questionst i
(i
u House
o
f Pafricia:nmemntoanrsy:
a gentleman who would regard with peculiar jealousy
Ind eennttv
pronounced,
ircoenseoufai
eteel:
any interference with the privileges of the body over
which he bad been selected to preside by the indepen-
dent
required to be d -
6-11"iereds we should perhaps rather have said, thatju g
nature
etmhabetri. When that opinion had been
withdrawn, and the
originated in a Committee of the
whole House,".pit:irttievesasbynotwhaoßmilliotfivaas
rut
the' objection should have been