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London, England, 1802-03-22 00:00:00

F COMMITTEE ON CIVIL List

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3CIIrI ACT FROM THE. RF.PORT OF THE COMMIT

TEE ON THE CIVIL LIST ACCOUNTS.
THE COmmittee appointed to take into considers_
tion the several Accounts presented on the 16th of
February last by the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER, by HI, MAJESTY'S Command, relating to
Hl5 MAJESTY'S Civil List, have proceeded in the
examination of the matters referred to them, and
have agreed upon the following Report :
" Your Committee have commenced their in-
quiry by a reference'. to an AC} passed in the zzd
Year of His present Majesty's Reign, for regulating
the mode of payments out of the Civil List Reve-
nues, and which was laid before this House on the
6th ofjuly, 1786.
" The Accounts of the Charge of His Majesty's
Civil Government from that year to the present,
arranged according to that form, have been at diffe-
tent periods submitted to the consideration of Par-
Lament, and are now before your Committee, who
propose to combine them through the whole period,
and compare them
,respeaively with their corres-
ponding Estimates, in order House the -particulars ito explain to the
n which the Excess of
per in which the
'Charge has occurred, and consequently the man-
debt h accuinulated n the
Several years to which theas i accounts relate. Their
Report will 'therefore follow those heads of division,
in each of which will be found such observations as
seem to your Committee necessary to the elucida-
tion of the Account under consideration; and the
tesult of the whole, compared with the resources
applicable during the whole period to the discharge
t 5 f those demands, will then be submitted to the
House."

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I'CLASS 1.--Pensions and Allowances of the ROYAL
AlyttLy : This account exhibits the amount of
lrge .in each year, compared with the estimate of
tTx7B6; that estimate appears to have been formed
on the existing state- of he ya Fat
hicr"time;. -and-Consequently •ant excesßso orl diminution
Numbenee - must . be., expeEted, according to the
r, 4 "Royal
- Persons to- whom such Pensions
and Alloi:va.nces:as' suited their rank became neces-
b Y, waS'eithet diMinished by death,- or by their
J;ng 44}‘ist!mv.ided for by Parliament, or in-
tf..ased,,by their
I .eoruing of age, or into a situation
`!4t. 'ecluLteot coming
additional allowance.
the . :
..
~
k year: tn
-theyA 3 Ets, .'c'e'ives now, as in 5786, 60,0001.
at-InotArtks lead:liitnNeittBii,nOgool. The total difference .
all the Branches of the
th
.L FANtiLY, is only 45,18.31. 9s, told. above
ra,,t " ryas 10.1786.
•-t. Ass
L•""4.-Zhe Salaties of the Chancellor' the
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nearlyr-'ker"
Judges- of England and Wales, are
the same as in 5786.
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tl/4011,-A, si 3&•:AThe Salaries of Ministers to Foreign
th re'tlL'4vb been'subjea to much variation ; and if
tkPith- .las been some interruption in our relations
tvt,several foreign, Couits in consequence of the
tfc6a,4: th'e, carne . cause has also bri
.the other hand
IC3"o3.`Oried larger and nibie expensive-establishinents-
_ Th me ether Countries in amity with Hi;Majesty.
b.e,gttatest increase appears in the following Em-
.stes i ,

ZC°llsistntinnple), r 7 t 6, t t ogc adz, ,C • 1214
• tuiessnniaa), - .
4._ 1122: : : : 566574
ifreertini 2. • - -
.., 302 b - ... , • ••• 53 t 8
sdeni 4 2,2:5 - :. - 300
rile Excess of Establishments in America only in
tilt
a rdlitse of the last sixteen years amounts to rid less
-`l-41IM thart •t • 6 19, 1 4.3.: t 3s. 4d, j'attittilars of S 4 ea of Civil List;
. ums a vane out 0t le
which, are
,to be re piked: .
to thepeir ending
rit): ;
it d. ‘.s • d .
tan. Si 1794, to the Prineeot ,vaiel I . s.B
0
, ..4-_,:_ Diike of York' :$5l ; o 1'764
I
I 9 ---- Onke of 'York '74- I 26,307 9 0
, . 1796, ---- Duke of York 4-4 -ci 6 moo .0 0
--..-• DukcotC:arortcf.i'scd° o 0 '7'
/70, ---- Duke of Ybrk -6,0c2,r 56? 9 8^ 6
---- Dulteof Clarence t Br 6 4 ° ) • ' j 7
9
1799, --- Major-C;eri Gar4i'er - 29C3z 5 0
M, —_-. Duke of York I'l
-12,64 i 5 0
tBo2* "--,--4 DUke of Clarence - 4. ' g'°°° ° 0

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„,. An
,e.94,0g4 6 6
Acentint or the De
Majesty's Civil
'whalet on die
tb 115 ts th )t of R
of January
, t toi, amounting in the
,14416 t 3s;
foiioVving are tilorig the. Principal Items
'he Queen • ' •• i. .
Prince of . ' • ''' • . £. ,14° ° °
J.
, 0 0
Support,of the•Princtis Chartotie ' ' '3.'°'• 071
~, 21,907
Duke of Volt.
3,000 0 0
Puke of Clarence --
s'.: 625 ,0 °
uke of Cambridge
4.
-..,,,,0
2,,,,0
Putchess of Ciiinberland '. - ' _ /,.06 0 °
Ness incurred by His flia.iesty oa.ziceount of .
~,,:the get Branches of his Family - 26,634 t 7 4
4,,1_1e Lord Chancellor and Judges - /6,485 ,0 0,
I„°,_A•mbassadors arid Foreign Ministers, - I°/•236 13 31
etoiji".s in.the.Lord ChaMberlain'ettepartment /27;9°' : 0°
Lorct teard's
-.•- - 235,349
Itto
L Mast
er of. the Horse .., •-• 4/026 0 0
14,4 chamberlairi's Salary . , - -ii 22° 0 0
25 0 0
5..-fir°ielsll.his Departmeht :.' -' -:-.. - 46,736 ° e
bitto kit! til.o Stovatti's bvattment . -1°,16 , 0 0
Ditto
...aster oft} e Horle 1 , .
laid) i - 0 a
bitto ,Ventlemen of the Bedchamber - 0
bittos;roorns ditto - - n. 37) °
0 0
Ditto p-rsicient of the Council •
~ 7000 ;
~6 o 0
Ditto
ertvy
.Seal - , , -
~,... •, 5- _ 0
bitive.
cons able of bower Castle , -717 i °
it
.. 2450 c °
bitto
Rangerle sof the Council -
Nut, ~t_ of St. lames's and Hyde Parks ,
.3031 ° °
~ xo,ooo 0 0
bitt Chief' Justices in Eyre
0
Ditto 411(19!C•erltleratn Tietisioners - 10600 ° 0
bi..o° %,;:pnuitssioners of IsteasurY - t 4,00? 0
Ditto First Corninissioner . . _
703tt to 0
-
Ito Chanctliot of the Exchequer - 3150 0 0
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DEBT.
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th I'2" R Committee have now to state the result of
._ preceding. now
of the Accounts, , in order
:° exhibit the amount of Debt under the various
rtnts of view in which it may considered. The
111.4 and most useful seems to *be, that which com-
liires the excess, or diminution, sunder -each head,
with the estimate- of r 786, and from the compari-
n of the whole, deduces the total exceeding.
,;fie_ln the annexed Acconnt, which your Commit_
have prepared for that purpose, the several
At'llts are specified, which
,though included in the
flecount of Debt, laid before the House; and also
h.illserted in this Report, are•not noticed in the.state-
-Jurnts
Of Charges. These are, the sum of 17,9671,
,4(l44i.ned in the- Account of, Class. I. annexed to .
''' %Tort, as being applied for the Support of Her

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nya it t e rincess Charlotte "for whoni
no provision appears to have been made. in the ar_
rangetnent that rook place of the Revenue of His
Royal Highness the Prince of Wales: 51,6791.
noticed in the foregoing part of this Report,
as being to be added to the head of occasional Pay-
ments ; and 28,6341. stated in the Account of
Debt presented to the House under the first • class,
as beie4 a Debt incurred by Her Majesty, on ac-
count of the younger branches of the Royal Family.
From, the result of the annexed statement, the total
excess above the Estimate in the 'whole -period of
sixteen years, appears to amount to 1,286,4521.—
But in order to estimate the existing Debt, Credit
must first be taken for the annual excess of Grant
beyond the Estimate of 1786, which being as
900,0001. to 897,4001. leaves a surplus of 2,6001.
per annum, amounting in the sixteen years to
41,6001. which deduded from the exceeding above
stated, reduces it to the sum of 1,24.4,8521. Fur-
ther allowance must be made for the balance in the
Exchequer on the sth of January 1786 ;' for the
regular auxiliary funds in aid of the 900,0001.
granted by Parliament (consisting principally of
the fees of suppressed offices, which, by the Ad of
22d Geo. 111. were direded " to remain at the
disposal of the Commissioners of the Treasury in
aid of the Civil List expences which were neces-
sary," and which it was there stated, " were in
same measure straitened by the appropriation there-
by made ;" and of the surplus of Exchequer. Fees ;)
and for the occasional assistance which His Majesty
has been graciously pleased to. afford, at different
periods, from his revenue of the 4.--f• per cent. du-
ties, to the exigency of the services included under
the Civil List Establishment, amounting in the
whole to x 72,0001; and lastly, for the Debt due to
His Majesty, for Monies, which on the other hand
His Majesty has, on different occasions direded to be
advanced to several of the Princes his sons. The
advance to His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales,
appears to have made 111 February 1793, to the
amount of 40,000, to be applied in paying certain
demands on His Royal Highness, and'to be repaid
by quarterly instalments at the rate of 14,0001. per
'annum : 17,5001. was according repaid previous to'
the, affairs of His Royal Highness being submitted
to Parliament in 1795, when Commissioners were
appointed for. the liquidation of His. Royal High...
ness's Debts. Debentures were accordingly issued
by them t,o Mr. Ramus, in trust for His Majesty,
forethe amount of the balance of '22,5001. in like
manner, 'and upon the
.same security, aa to other
Creditors of His Royal Highness, payable in 1806,
and for which there is the security of the Funds
vested in those Commissioners, and guaranteed in
all events by' the faith of Parliament. The time of
repayment of the other advances is various, a-nd de-
pending upon the duration of life, which renders
them precarious as an available fund ; and till
they become in a course of payment, the while ope-
rates as an addition to the subsisting incumbrance,
though properly stated on the credit side of the
Account ; but as in the annexedeStatement they arc
not considered as Charges under the head of occa-
sional payments, they rouse also be there omitted
on the other side.
Taking credit for all the other sums, the defi-
ciency would amount to 619,7301. which would
constitute the existing Debt On the sth January
last, if the whole Revenue applicable to this Esta-
blishment had,' as above supposed, been expended
as it Was received, in the course of the sixteen years
attiring which the comparison is made e but it appears
that the sum, expended for, the support of each
class in the tit year. of the series, were included some
charges incurred in the preceding year, amounting
in getietal to one Quarter's arrears. The particu-
lars of these are stated, as nearly as they can be
made out, in the annexed comparison of the pay-
ments, with the charges in each class ; and the
total amount is brought into the Account now
under consideration ; this being, the sum of
239,7681. creates a deficienty pro tanto in the
Funds to answer the demands of the whole period
(credit having been already taken for the balance
in th'e Exchequer on the sth January 1786) and
must be added to .the' deficiency- above stated;
which would leave the ewhole. Debt Sat this 'tithe
889,4981. ; hut it has not been found. possible in
all cases to make the account of existing Debt
correspond with the statement of charge, owing
principally to the circumstance that some articles
of charge are not corredly stated at the time the
Accounts have been respedively prepared and laid
before Parliament, in consequence of Grants being
sometimes made with a retrospeftive operation, by
which means the Accounts of the preceding. years
being closed, the payments upon such Grants must
exceed by so much the previous statement of Charge.
The difference however does not appear to be of
such magnitude, as to call for particular observa-
tions, arrd might doubtless be explained by 'a more
particular examination of the Accounts at the
Treasury i It amounts on the whole period of 16
years, to 6,4711. ; which b'eingadded to the Charge,
and consequently to the existing Debt, makes the
latter amount at present to the sum of 895,9691.
Another view in which the Debt may be consider-
ed, respeds the operation on the payment of the differ-
ent classes : The Arrears due on each of which are
stated in the account of Debt. It appears from
hence, that arrears of different proportion, are due on
each of the Classes, though amounting in none to
so much as two years salary or allowance, which
was the limit prescribed, by the At of the 22d of
His Majesty's Reigns at which they should cease
to be longer payable.

' Another statement, in which the 'particulars of
the money received are compared with the 'a6tbal
payments in each year, having been laid before Par„
liament, your Committee have thought properto
annex it to their Report, though they conceive the
deduaions drawn from it are not so accurately
stated, as in the account which they have prepared,
from a comparison of the charge with the estimate.;
no allowance having been made in it (except in. one
class) for payments made within the period for
charges incurred before.

It has been already seen, from. the-statement of
the nunner in which' the Debt 'has been incurred,
that the only considerable difference between the
charge and the estimate, is to be found in the fourth
class, and under the head of occasional payment* ;

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f.:olg!'. the eAftse's of b 6dl,,tikaki from what 6
been stated, be sutlicicntly cbViodsj yot!roininittee
cannot 'conclude, without suhniittin that par Lieu-
'aril.' to the consideration of the House.

Froin the rime in which the E,itimate of.l ;-86
was laid before Parliament,- and from a coniparison
of it with the charge of preceding years, it seems •
'to hare been formed with a reference to the Peace
Establishment of the Country ; and if this observa-
tion be well founded, 'the continuance of the War
alone, through so large a proportion of the time in
question, would account for the most considerable
part.of the excess.

To illustrate more parcicularlY this remark, they
have prepared an abstraft of the .charges, and stared
the average of excess above the estimate, first, on the
whole period ; next, in that •of seven years of Peace;
and lastly, of nine years of War ; by which it. will
-be seen, that in fa't the average yearly excess dur-
ing Peace, has been only 25,456 i. above the esti-
mate ; while, during the War, it has amounted to
the sum of 123,1391.