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OCTOBER 24
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most sincerely that, in consequence of the removal
from the City of a large number of houses, it was
most desirable, and indeed most important, that pro-
vision should be made in the way of residences for the
poorer classes who might thus be dislodged.—(Hear,
hear.) He felt, in common with the committee, that
the fact was pressing upon them more and more, that
while they were creating mansions in the new streets
they were at the same time not providing buildings
fur the reception of the labouring classes, nor, indeed,
in such places as the new Cannon-street, could they
do so. They had, therefore, to seek for other and
more fit spots, where the smaller tradesmen might
profitably carry on business.—(Hear, hear.) The
preposition the committee had then the honour of
making to the Court was the fittest they could adopt
under the circumstances, and the first, indeed, of the
kind they had had the opportunity of making. The
parties living in the neighbourhood of the newly pro-
posed line of street leading from Farringdon-street to
Coppice-row, Clerkenwell, occupied dwellings of the
most inferior kind, and by their removal much good
would be effected ; so that it would be seen that, in-
stead of the Corporation making a waste of the
neighbourhood, they would accommodate with far
better dwellings the inhabitants of the locality.
it was quite clear to every one that in consequence
of the extension of sanitary improvements large ex-
penses had been entailed upon landlords, who could
not repay themselves by carrying out the objects of
the Government in removing buildings approached
from low gateways, and so densely populated that
the air was scarcely ever of a pure character. The
question for that corporation to consider was whether
they would Idrgely enter upon this question as a duty
to themselves, and for the purpose of expending their
reserved funds, so that the works, when completed,
might be-useful to the poorer. classes.—(Hear, hear.)
He would shortly explain the powers they possessed
as to the control of the "Finsbury Estate Fund."
In 1845 proceedings were taken with reference to
this fund by the Corporation, who, having in view
the large portion of revenue derived therefrom,
sought powers to enable its members to dispose
(through the mediiim of its Improvements Commit-
tee) of the accumulating fund by the purchase of
property. That was followed by a report made by
that committee, in which the desirability of obtain-
ing powers of such a characterwas distinctly recom-
mended, with the view of instructing the Remem-
i brancer to introduce them into the Clerkenwell Im-
provement Bill. Such clauses having been agreed
to, they were consequently appended to the mea-
sure, 'slid now formed the 12th and 13th sections of
the got.—(Hear, hear.) Projects of this character
had received favourable reception by the Legislature.
Earl Shaftesbury had always evidenced the warmest
desire to improve the working classes, and his Royal
Highness Prince Albert had patronised model houses
for the poor with an ardour that was worthy of his
exalted character. The question then was, would the
Corporation do the same ? The middle classes would
not do so, even with the hope of profit, nor should
they attempt to do so as a Corporation limply for the
purpose of making money ; all they should seek was
such a return as would enable them to keep the pre-
mises in repair, and not waste the property with which
they were entrusted. The money received should be
put periodically into the funds, and thus applied over
and over again to the general benefit.—(Hear, hear.)
They ought to do this, in his opinion, on an extensive
scale. It was no use building one or two houses, but
to instruct the architect to provide good houses and
shops in front, with smaller ones well lighted and
ventilated at the rear, furnished, by the way, with
water, and every appliance necessary for domestic use.
(Hear, hear.) The question then was, would .the
Court entrust to the committee the disposal of
42,4691. 3s. ?—(Cries of " Yes.") Many remarks as
to the existence of knackers' yards in that vicinity
had been made by the public press, but he was glad
to say that by the erection of these buildings upon
such a site the " boiling houses" would be put
down, and the interests of the poor residing out of
the boundary of the city of London would be consi-
dered.—(Hear, hear.) What they had to do was to
see that they so built and let these houses as to keep
enough to maintain them in repair, and he was confi-
dent that by adopting the report, and thus confiding
in the committee, they would be doing an immense
amount of good in aiding the humane and proper con-
siderations of the promoters of sanitary reform, while
they would furnish to many parties who might be
driven from the localities they used to reside in much
more comfortable abodes in the immediate vicinity of
their previous residences.—(Hear, hear.)
Deputy BEDFORD seconded the motion. He consi-
dered that buildings of this description had long been
required in the city of London.—(Hear, and No.)
Mr. R. TAYLOR spoke in favour of the motion; but
stated that the property, which included the knacker's
yard and other abominations in the neighbourhood of
the projected improvements, never belonged to the
City. He wished to remove any imputations of the
kind from the character
of the Corporation. Those
places belonged to the aristocracy and the Church—
(Loud laughter)—and the Corporation were about to
take them out of such unworthy hands.—(Laughter
and cries of " Hear, hear.")
Mr. BENNOCH approved very highly of the re.
port, but hoped that inasmuch as the money which
was to defray the expense of the buildings had arisen
from accumulations of the Finsbury estate, the large
and crowded district in which that estate was situated
would not be forgotten.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Deputy HOLT said it might be injudicious in
the Court to adopt the suggestion just made, inasmuch
as at the end of eighteen years the part of Finsbury
in which improvements appeared to be most neces-
sary would fall into the hands of the Bishop of Car-
lisle.— (Laughter.)
`Mr. HENRY BLAKE asked whether it was the in-
tention of the committee to combine a system of baths
and washhouses with the dwellings for the use of the
poor ?
Mr. T. H. HALL said the committee were waiting
for information from Alderman Salomons, who had
promised to place before them the result of his in-
quiries into the effect of what had been already done.
—(Hear, hear.) The system of baths and wash-
houses could be accomplished without any application
to Parliament.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. H. BLAKE congratulated the Court upon the
admirable proposition which had been communicated
in the report, and upon the warm manner in which it
had been received. He considered that the proposed
disposal of the funds was exactly adapted to the con •
ditions upon which the money was given in trust to
the Corporation.—(Hear.) He was glad to find that
the committee had not taken any great credit to
themselves for what they had done, and trusted that
the Court would act with similar prudence, and not
claim for themselves any extraordinary praise for what
they had done at the eleventh hour.—(Laughter.)
Mr. Nonais had no objection to the report, but he
thought the committee were bound to submit the site
and the plan of the proposed buildings to the Court
for approval.
• Mr. T. H. HALL briefly replied. He considered
that the report was the commencement of an eaten.
sive system by which the community would be greatly
benefited.—(Hear.) If the Court agreed upon the
subject, the committee would by and by come for-
ward with many more suggestions. Some objections
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BALL IN AID OF THE ASSOCIATION OF THE FRIENDS OF
POLAND AND OF THE HUNGARIAN COMMITTEE.
A deputation, composed of Lord Dudley Coutts
Stuart, M.P., General Slapka, Colonel Count Za-
moyski, Mr. W.
Adams Smith, and Lieutenant
Charles Szculczewski, presented,through
,
Richard Taylor, the following petition :
" To the Right Honou rabic the Lord Mayor, Alder-
men, and Commons o of London,
f the City in
Common Council assembled.
"In approaching the bar of your Honourable Court,
for the purpose of requesting your permission that a ball
should be given in your
Guildball in aid of the funds of
the Literary Association of the Friends of Poland and of
beg to state very shortly
the Hungarian Committee, we
proceeds of the ball, should
the purposes to which the
you be pleased to comply
with the prayer of our peti-
tion, will bo applied.
"The resources at the disposal of the Polish Associa-
tion are employed almost exclusively in the relief of re-
fugees who are incapacitated by sickness from following
their usual occupations, and in furnishing those who:are
desirous of leaving this country with the necessary
In 8020 few instances "datum to a shall

amount is afforded, when a reasonable probability exists
that it will be the means of providing the recipients
with permanent employment
" The Hungarian refugees, being generally men in
the prime of life, are, with very few exceptions, desirous of
proceeding without delay to a country where they can at
once obtain by their own exertions an independent po-
sition. The funds of the Hungarian Committee are
therefore employed almost exclusively in providing the
refugees under its charge with the means required for
their conveyance to America.
" The Council of the Polish Association, and the Hun-
garian Committee, trust that your Honourable Court
will approve of the objects to which their efforts are di-
rected ; they cannot, indeed, doubt that such will be
the case when they reflect on the reception which you
have decided on affording to the illustrious exile in the
cause of constitutional liberty who is about to set foot on
our shores. Proud as he must feel at receiving such an
approval of his policy from the municipality of the first
city in the world, his satisfaction will assuredly be en-
hanced by finding that whilst cheering him by your
sympathy and applause, you have not forgotten to alle-
viate the sufferings of those who followed him with
unshaken fidelity to tho termination of his glorious
career.
" We therefore humbly pray your Honourable Court
to grant the use of the Guildhall, as decorated for the
dinner on Lord Mayor's Day, for the purpose above-
mentioned.
" On behalf of the Council,
(Signed) " DUDLEY COUTTS STUART, President.
" W. LLOYD BIRKBECK, Hon. See."
This memorial was brought up by Mr. Richard
Taylor, but before that gentleman had an opportunity
of speaking in its support—
Mr. ANDERTON asked several questions of Lord
Dudley Stuart, M.P., which were answered statisti-
cally by the Hon. Member, apparently to the satis-
faction of the majority of the Court.
Mr. R. TAYLOR then said that he brought up the
memorial -with pleasure, and he advocated its prayer
with pleasure also. The object of it was to provide a
pecuniary sum, not only for the Poles, but for the
exiled Hungarians, to enable them to obtain a passage
to America. It had been often asked, and be believed
that was the only objection to the applications on the
part of the advocates of a ball to the Poles—why has
this application been so frequently repeated ? His
answer was that the persecution of the Poles had been
repeated for a great number of years, and that so long
as such persecutions should be repeated, so long
would they be justified in granting the use of the
Guildhall to the committee on similar occasions to the
one for which it was then solicited.—(Hear.)
Deputy. HOLT seconded the motion.
Mr. MURRELL moved the previous question, which
not being seconded he endeavoured to push an amend-
ment to the effect that the unendowed hospitals and
dispensaries of the metropolis should share with the '
Polish committee in the profits. This also fell to the

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ground.
Mr. ANDERTON had thought, he then thought, and
he should still continue to think, that the Corporation
ought to have, nothing to do with the question.
Alderman CARTER reminded the Court that when
Lord Dudley Stuart had applied to the Court for the
use of the hall immediately after her Majesty's late
visit, upon being informed that it had been promised
fur the benefit of the ward schools and dispensaries of
the City of London, his Lordship had, with the ut-
most grace, withdrawn his application, the under-
standing being that be should be at liberty on the
forthcoming occasion of applying again.—(Hear.)
The prayer of the memorial was then almost unani-
mously acceded to.

THE STREET ORDERLY SYSTEM.
Mr. ANDERTON then brought up a petition in favour
of the street orderly system.
Mr-. H. L. TAYLOR inquired of one of the memo-
rialists what was intended by the "Committee of
Co-operation"—whether the members of it were sub-
scribers, how they met, and what they paid ?
This course, however, was opposed by some, but
supported by Deputy HARRISON, who considered that
they could not entertain the petition, as it was opposed
to the standing orders of the Court, no amount of
subscriptions being specified in it.
Mr. ANDERTON, in the midst of considerable con-
fusion, proceeded to state that he did not intend to
offer any remarks upon the subject-matter of the pe-
tition. He had simply done his duty in presenting it,
as he had been requested to do so by several bankers
and other influential parties.

Mr. H. L. TAYLOR, in moving that the petition
" do lie upon the table," said that he thought it was
not right that the corporation should lend themselves
to the support of a plan of the kind before them, un-
less they thought that the Commissioners of Sewers
were not competent for the duties of their office re-
specting the cleansing of the public streets of the
City. If the Court thought so, let them encourage
another body, who should hourly and daily if they
please, cleanse the streets by adopting the motion.—
(Hear, hear.) He trusted the Court would do no
such thing.—(Hear, hear.) For his part, be regarded
the plan proposed as an obstruction of the streets by
these street-orderlies; and not only so, but he was
satisfied that, if they adopted it, a large additional
amount of cost would have to be met by the
ratepayers.—(Hear, hear.) It had been said that
the inhabitants were desirous of adopting this new
system ; but were they aware of the additional outlay
it would entail ? He was aware that several mem-
bers of the different wards had been " hunted up" to
attend meetings; and by whom were they got up?
Why, the principal gentleman who had effected the
movement, and thus got up these meetings, was not
even a citizen of London.—(Hear, hear.) If such
things were to be permitted, and it was thus to be
thought that they were incapable of managing their
own affairs, the time had almost come when they
should abolish wardmotes altogether.—(Hear, hear.)
At some of the meetings—one in Aldersgate at least
—nobody had attended; in Farringdon--without but
three ; and in Cheap ward, out of five motions made,
four out of the five were proposed by the deputy.—
(Laughter.) He believed there was no real or vital
interest in the movement. He did not blame men

who might be desirous of handing their names even in
this way, down to posterity, but he hoped that when-
ever they attempted to do anything of the sort they
would put their bench into their own pockets, and
not into those of the ratepayers. He moved that the
petition he laid on the table.
Mr. Deputy LoTT seconded the motion, on the
ground that the Commissioners of Sewers would in

a day or two publish a report of great value upon
this question. That body had given the subject their
most deliberate consideration for some time past ; and
as to the expense, there was not a doubt but that in-
stead of its being, as now, about 6,0001. or 7,0001.

per annum, it would reach at least 20,000 i.

After a short conversation, Mr. A nderton agreed
to withdraw the petition until the next Court, it
being understood that in the meantime every member
thereof should be furnished with a copy of the report
on the subject made by Mr. Hayward, the surveyor to
the City Sewers Commission.

Mr. DAKIN (the chairman of the Great Central Gas
Company) called the attention of the Court to the

clause in Their Act of Parliament which enabled the

Corporation to appoint auditors of the accounts of the
company in the month of December, and stated his
intention to put a notice upon the paper of business of
the next court on the subject.

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omnibuses commenced running yesterday between Shadwelt
Ratcliffe, and Oxford- street; the farce are regulated according
to distance, at 2d., 3d., and 4d. the charge for the whole
way. Low-fare omnibuses are about to be put on the New-
road, to run between the Great Weatern and Great Northern
Railway termini.