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lbeir cl'it:ritS lost in Parliament, .felt themselves
(rived, ard the cop dashed from their. lips .at the
ni,tnent when they were on the point of tasting its
doliciuus content.„ Was not this a most evisperat'-
ing circatnstance ? Must not every Catholic kaya,.
felt the,strongest sentiments of resentment and de.:
? It was not until the. recall of Lord
,that any conoexion existed bet weer.; France and Ireland. The Irish were driven
by that event into thi.arrns of France. M'Nevin
Einmet had declared on their eximination,
that altkugh the common people did not care
.
feather. tor either
nler' Etriancipa6cm or Pella-
the laiY.,Reform, yet that it these-had been granted
Reiellien would not have taken place. The
"tailing kabels Were' apprehensive lest the Mea.
Stitek iifirlied by Lord Fitz william should' be
141°Pl!ti, inti that they should be thus deprived
'or their best adherents. Then came the Union.
*--The Country had been told chat at` that time
Promise had been made to the Ca.
timlieti but had they not been led to believe that
their demands would be complied with ? Did not.
the Union receive great Catholic support upon the
hakes', air they thought well founded, that their
di la)* should he granted, their gtievances redress-
erl l? Fox, not for the purpose of retorting his
°Plaiolt, upon the learned Gentleman; but 'merely
b° Prave the-fotl, read an (Attila of a Letter Iron
IDelgenan to Mr. Grattan to elucidate that
t". It was highly dangetous-to defer' that which
the Catholics biped fur in 18ot fnt year tO year,
rral)tal* them with the prospediro Of it blessing, the
in*ession.of which was sedulonily kept from them.
1;117 l'akhoniever, sliewn by the dutiful and loyal
Tr.lettlid to the House, that they placed
th..„-rieneate on their pott 4'4 number, but tested
°Pei solely on the wisdom and justice of Par.
ti°fl amenit Whatever might be the -tste of the Mo-
to i which lie should have the hnnuut of submittingttie 13"Sei lie could not but consider the intrs-
as-,ev,t4 the Petition as a fortunate circutnsrance,
idtv,ineed the good distusition of the Pv tit itmers.
Mr, FOX übtervcii, that sine mysterious reasons had
aten hinted at against this measure which he did t
to und ,
ern!flerstand Ile l'ad been asked by Gen-
gur 4 .
Plrsite,' why it was brought torward.when
w" ? lie ikould. say to those
b 'linnet), that the cliaoce of su.:eess wouldbdtuuch
ueltler if 'v,)te for the Moti•lyi ; bat
_„ty was it so. desperate ? We 'had bien. told that
the
would be contrary to tile
t
,ots g"‘ et-4011,160t, Old]. It he' proposed it 'With
cony ieitor.,, he ,h,ul3 he a dill al SO-
..?:)'Ll"e dishonest tnr.u; but my.' one who.
~,d the oath solo he of such an opi-
-19 3Y that a King of England ought not
faith 'r toany,Att ot•Pattliasnent -_(ntictninetted
legislative pr......visiom),' was', iticked, irmst pre-
hsten ,'r! 11s 11.0 assert that the King .61Huld 'lot
hurt. Parliatny or, was taurenrrve the corner
of the CuilS(lttlt ; innt cad ,of a-thi*eti
w:..;uld turn it into a scene or itrittrelly and
T.it Alli•hsictu of a whole Kingdom of
tours from the Eilablishati Church, in the case
titi.e Union With Scotland, wits thought ineon. •it with the Coronation ()alb.not If ;intilarCirCtlM. I: yet were infratti.Jts• of thit oath, it had been
n in Several instances, particularly in the Alt of
t‘.4, 93 AVldle lie glotied in the mune of an Er:glish.: •
'could never bring himself to allow that
ll it r“lliainent thoUght ftii to &a was imible..
welt crintentied that nothing should.be`poss
gitatedwltlr 1144'rit! a.ceitain prospeit of success, lot it be curt-
in ei
iloaritie been genctally admitted,
what "It Stine w:/ulti have been the Country; in
lit „t_it,st4le.'wtitild have been the Staititel Books ?.
bf :,"utifnui, lie! lotwoud not.believe, that atiy' liranchits, nut •
got .
V.onfiritution Uld so far .forget
ours with the exercise of its legitimate
the ,14,- to ish that, it.s,:voiee sh.o.lllsl he .tte;ird in
%1111,,,t-" Yit,e,' of that 11,1)Me. His ',Majesty's la w ful
it''' lt was the ditty of the How.e to maintain;
t was
alut the al of"r
-ete4ted - duty the riot to su ;et% -
iet„, Per4olts to make use ot the itoYarnatrie for
• rmr.po, • . . antivtd, -extending Lieu influence. let wapld;
tines , lessen the dignity of Parliametits,were quest.
tre• ssential tit Chet safety arid. .welfare of the Ern.-
the Atto 4,1lie allowed to rsinintier, 4,qcaus a, 4.'llisPer
urie abroad that they were not agreeable' to
h SUc
4UI ish. •I he con(luEl of the man who pro. •
vAibitti dueirtne was° not that of a loyal
' "r of one who loved the )Cing, but of
e wh n___
!ithich he him ro betray him: I. he Motion
Pe,ffio"; to make was simply, that ht '
tatcciti, itetrnild be referred to a C.lnmirtee to
the will, th the expediency' of 'repealing either
91. Titiet Pr a part of the restri4ions complained
ed•theie re were Wale points on which he eoticeiv.
Are°4l(l ht: but little difference of opinion.--
Itotrioi,citt. 4: for instance--as it now stands a
14Priintedaf• in the Army in Ireland may be
to mate rank cif Ensign to that of General,
weves_ Au nut
~ of a General on the Siciff., It,
Fait, 'e comes to England, he is subject: to the.
Aml,'',ZiiP_naltUta• of tciereitAct. When a com-
iiiitivd4e enlistett in Ireland,- it was wader a full
tile of hitan't
relhe would be perrniited' the free excl.-
; Yet, solnetitnes, even in Ire.
hitt a aYs in England he was compelled
nd the service •
Neon.. . the stablished Chtstelt.-7-
'o'ete very !. regulations . about . marriages likewise
Itievoct
el"unvlnti!nt. He.' had proved that the
distintf -,;l4s"tnitliiiiied Of might be•distideJ into tWO
;11:e Crowri. 1,42 one curtailing the preiogaiiva
of
tw tiltihetile other the tights. of .the pCtiilie ; but
Y exttro.4.ed wow matter .Of doubt alai in,
lied to ctlitb'oght that
,Catholics ShOUI4I be
itbi 41 net highest offices of the- State, -o,th,ers'
pf 'lt sh,llidink 8"• This, then, was a questiort
10'4)104, ri go to a Committee. Soa-ie were
1.1" 14130. Catholics bhimid nor lie
cure} ~,vkcl itt 1 executive situations, they Ought to
vo, 14t in Parliament : those would
IlLtt, the Petition .simuld malt() .1 but stici ie, intteed, could 'approve the Mo-
Wyatt+dC,rt the civil ti !ielieved that all was as it tati)Old
eOritrition 'of the. Catholics
Totta, of
tilelntielloration. Ile woUld now state
„f vit.,Ptak;ls hich Would he the result
•14tt°s44 ProPosltion. .41 great tiArt
eSs up ,
(11 "-ssion .OLL great part of the pre.
I:Lest hee. employed iti inquiting into
Lie. to boil ler,triting the Army. lir. would
• J$
.without wishing, at !prettrirs to

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disparage any of the modes that, had been pro_
posed for --that"purpose, whether those 'proceeding
ftom the Right Honourable -Gentleman on the- op;
posite side, which heoecrtairily Aid not approve
of or those suggested by his Right lion. Friend,
near ,him, which met; with his comparative appro.
bation ; Whether by ParisloLevies, Recruiting for
liaiited service, volunteering, from the Militia, or
any-Other plan, that they were-all paltry and trif.
ling,- complirerl to• the certain supply -of Disposable_
Force which would be the circa of granting redreas•
to the Catholics of. Ireland. The Irish weres,,a
lion famed for warmth of temper, for liveliness_
gratitude., In return for what they would call. the,
liberality 'of the British 'Parliament, theyowould
pour.into our Armies,,and., be wad convinced that
all other schemes, ichen put in competition with
this, wnuld appear like little riv,ulets, compared
to n the ocean. It was not only the,: numher,
but' the z,al,and•the 'spirit of: these' Recruits,: that
would' reodet them such a valuable accession. to
our Arrnies.' Why did. we,consider France as so
powerful-an-Enemy Was it on account.ot lies wealth
:or 'her commerce ?: No; it was on account of her
population. '•'And 'yet we hesitated to restore to
Great' Britain ont.lourth of her population. What
would be all the Colonial or. Coniikental conquesib
that we could make compared. with the. addition
of "this mass to four, domestic.: stretort!, ? In. Ire-
land the Protestant'. ascendency had been ternie,
the Garrison of the Country. Did he propose to
increase tdie Garrison ? No ; What he-proposed was,
to.convert the besiegers into Garrison. The House
could not fur a motnent believe that these four mil-
lions of People felt :the same* as 'their fc.llw.v sub.
jells. A recruit who could: never hope to become
a sergeant ; a Collor who despaired of ever coming_
front before the mast, • and sharing the' glory,
anti honour.of his profession': these were 'men-nor
likely to be 'very , ardent: in the cause in which
they were engaged. : :the- House: acceded to the
wish of. the Petitioners, he was. sanguine that the
benefits ocentriog would amply, tecompence them ;
if' they rejected he-was. sanguine that the cola.
miies that 1..001d follow were -nut apprehended by
many.' In that case he trusted to the aft'aion and
the go dispositi oi of the Catholics ; but there
wits stiniething ungenerous in expeettog men to fiolit
with teal for a Constitution, the -advantages of
which tlsey did not enjoy,' Hiving, as, he
extiattsted the patience qt the House, lie would in-
irutie upon theta AO further than to move; Tlott:the
Petitic,n Of the Roman Catholics of Ireland, Itc. is.,
fared to a Committee.'::
h r. DUIC.;EPAN- had examined the subjed.
-with all the 'attention which' its importance de_
mantled ; his local knowledge gave bins very supe.
nor advantages-in estimating its „merits, and Abe
,rt-sult eonsitleration was, that bIS opinion
was diametrically :Opposite to that of the .Hooottr-
ableGentlenian who had just seated hitnseif:t Even
'nti' tNe• question 'of- the' Union, .that li,itootrahle
Gentleman' :and he completely 'tlifferd.. .I.le- was
prtind- to tecolletl thatohe ihad„been the first to
urge the necessity of: the measure in the Irish
Pattiament in the year 1793, arid its still retained
the s'arnesentioients- with test ed to it, as be then
ekpressed. regard to 'the sit`qee't to )relot..
triidiately before' the:' House, the Bon. Goth man
fitadrmistaken his. Opinion on-one part of it., lie had
.nevertrup.p..,sed•the Oath ,olSupretnacy to be an ex.,
elusive las So. On the contrary, he though; it not an
excliiiiie law toany but 'Prait4rs., -The Learned
D.itti,r entered into a:scrutiny of. the.names attached
to the ,:Petition, which he-contendeil .was a partial
one, and by no means to tte,,c6ntitle red as a ge..
netal Petition from the IRtitrian Caih4lics of Ireland.
Of the men : of - raidc only one, the.Chainnae, be.
lonicA- to the anctent Nobility. of the Country ; the
riot o ere all created- ituring the reign of. His present
M+sty. • For nthetienCounties not a single:Sqb,
scriber' ppeared ; and-faux others y.Cork, Wexford,
Lowt'tm, and
.Down, had onlyoone each. ,Qoe of
the •Ddegates,: Mr,' Scully, he did.'nooktiow, he
bad' riever seen blur; but thislie knew, that: ie was
'the "atithr" ;of :a. pamphlet in his.hand, which, had
Ott:idea his attentrott;-.: and.: he Was, he con.;
fesited,'lnsuch -Coronet,' _to find: him in such
respeuable '.ceimpatiy:: The ,LeornedoDodor read
several': passages from this parnilltiet, and, dwelt
Upon their inipropriety, particularly oie. in which
Mt. Scully comments un the 'mode in, which
Kings May be misled, hinting at 'what he loons
quibbling 'about 'a -Coronation and another
iii 41rich
„he contemptuously, ;calls the.
ment `I-160e of 'Dublin' a -Cluh.houie... Now when
a than like this .was • sent over ;as a-Delegite, the
Hotte% would judge. what sort-of a Petition= it
and what cEaratlet for respedability it deser.ved.-!
He- begged the 'particular attention of the House .to
that part of the Petition in which the. Petitioners
affirm that they have taken all the oaths required,
except that of Supremacy, and-that their eviucation
had ',writ them to be' fully sensible:uf the . mural
obligation of-an-oath,- He would-produce the works
of seecral -writers.: of the Raman Catholic. per..
suasion, ' and modern writers too, who had setoliii
matter in'iheoclearest .After the year 170,
by permission of the Apostolic ,Sce, they :had f.x.
punged a passage from one of Their oaths, relating
to the unlitnited power. of Priests but this
,purl.
:fied oath, on which they laid' so touch Stress, 14;
not been taken by a :hundredth part of the Catho-
lies in' Itelaod. The -argument -adduced, by..the
Hunourahie Gentleman, namely, that the adoption
t;..e prayer of the Petition ~would liecessarily
produce unit,n and unanitnity,o4Nas similar to
..the
' one- used by farneto the Saconti,, when he ,was
sitous establishing a: general liberty. ,of con-
L science. -By the prosectrion.of iii4:lll-.judged 11)".
sutea that.- uotorttinate .Monarch hpit ..his !Abram: ;
and similar proceedings rnight7lhake.modern Save.
reigns in theirs. If tlie.-propobition W.it allot,
anti' unwise iss the time at Jaioes, it, statist 'be.
unjust and ~.toiwilse at- 'present. 'f tie Roman: Ca-
tholics. Of -Ireland lal:outed under rho ineapacities
wbatever, in with - their fe.autv subjeds did, not
partiApate. They 'were on a • level with others.
'''.x-oyitey excluded themselves- (rain the: sitwations
to tc Inch aspired, by Jelosinu to take the.
Oath Supiemacy.t. 'Yhe Learned Doctor traced
the history of this oatho-and conteridtol, that ,at
its °tight, in the reign, of .Henry- VIII. it was
worded in much ,strattger terms Oafs it now is,--
Vnen Elizabeth renewed it utter teroporory

glitpension under *diary, she atteted the :Vora .Idprettie
1--I.ntiv of the Church inta--Swpretne Governess. A.
fundamental ,article in the faith was,, that
the Pope passessed iii.q..ant;s spiritual buk tcairral
dominion rover the wh:ile Chureh. Dr. .Troy (a
Catholic wtiter) says, that nen:), the Villth first
.denied that supremacy, and:, as theiefor!rin usurper.
WhAt was,the ipfercnce,,bw. that all his successors
were tpuarpers ? The oath, tal,ten liy theßainan
tholic Priests-on brrithed the utmost ran-
cour again,t Heretics, a,,d, though, as.. Dr. Troy
tells us, ,a very sir. ;lig has been expunged
from it, it is yet suftictitly hostile. Th a
Learned Dador (voted site Canons of the .
Council of Constance, aod thOse of the Council .
of Trent (which imitate'dthe,n),..to shetv
the violent spirit of persecutlpn which pervaded
the- ads of the Rntrian C,t: ; and itroved
it was to veptrve the spiritii,il
premacy from thq,ternpor,ll supremacy. He 0e...
•
scribed the burnings l'r,testttnta .which sue-
creded issuing ;of the 1.3.,cr-e,s ot 'those Cohncil,,
vuet into a long tie! ~f the Buits of.the dif.
icrent Popes, in which it stated,, among other
things,-that.• oaths to heretics were nolittic,, and
ought %Vt totlz_4celno at all. binding! Dr.
net, an .Apostolic Vicar, and a ~keeper,of. the con-
.
vciences- ularly Catholics in this Country;
itt a- 'f reatise. of his, that• the, fulfillin,of, every
tt ya.n law,. or t.4.her engascrnent, confirmed
oath, must turn on the cir,linal virtue of pro
Aepce ; that the of N inure and, of G.id WAS
paramount to any other. - St r:) was the-doctrine of
the National Convention of ranee, and such is the
dodrlne pf Dr. Miloer, Ana the in CathtAiC'Spf.
Great Britain anti Irciantl. A ptetty good proof.
- slcretl they thought the obligtttion cat an,path I
Pr. Troy Sayi that V,4ificiplC;‘t.a
Catholics are unchat.qe.ll.le, ant apptly at 41) .drnes,
anti citctrol Ta ocer, ; .rod fIZMVd-C)
turves, .that they donot_tiiirrt an iota from their,
ncestr)p,and that uprper niece arpli,
cottle to their religion. than to their jurisprudence.
~.Thi.ll. were no tn,4triages ~(ire but that the
Pope'!:, eould-diAlrivc t!t.ein. He had the so.
j.proneau,t tleterinine vrhethcr'or
not, the ;inn shwild lithe!'s property, or
Olt Witi.,),,y _nor‘c-e,i to h r !Ho Ps estate. The
power of: excooltro;,44.:io(i too Was i very danger-
, 44,19. one to Im. trtht,eil in Such hinds. The Hint.
Gencl;.m tit luta asserted, that t,e bpprernitcy of the

rOpe evil,. In 11..41,.)tic ..1v sr nftlefltg,
I' •
where the life o j.:-. f every Su..t i;',at the beck ~f the
Prince, it con.,,,pi,mc..e what Ittligton
prevailed, hut in Ire:. Stairi It l7..7carne a In3qtr 01
'serious itnportanqe. (..)f c"invernitt;tits•on the face
of the, COI Eh the., d 3.01101 Goverr.lll7.!,r demanded in sr
ittlirrt:,at•ily ',lle exclusion pi R,)ln.iti Catholics for
ever, -from tiny share in its lalisiature, t,ircideilly
inimical as they hail eV et w rt,thenisel yes tobere7
tio; and he oinlal not avoid ex,,r!.si;,g his Astoniih.
:mew any rati,mai map sit rald their ad.
Fur his tart, al all , and under all
cireurnstaneesi he shoull oppose such .a measure.--
On what grounds, weto Ite,;enue. ()Meets ineoinpe—
tent to sit Kirliaotent ? Why were ,Gt;nilenten
ohligea to ITsct.,3Ccttalll L intica Property"to'cina.
fietn,(o,r• tr. oining Reureyntiiiive,. Lif.the,Peo.
Isle Why were Po t:eaten .aril licrisionnts txcluded
theylia,) put ified the flit fn ito t.u.ipicion
ei'flttiptitin by an appe:ll to ti'.(!ir
litettUSe the ilrglyk;:t sti`ch pirAntions might ore.
rate preju.licialiyagaint the St,te, Ii iw ntoch trilre
thinggrou, would 111 the ':oit•rarion of
Li.; lies in
the 13 'lie,' ! 1;c:,,; :t any fr:.,trictidnfiaol
been taken off Cathuic., in. f'( iln,l they re.
indicted iwile:Aly tltttot. \V! y? N i ):n to civet
but thq 'by
the laws as ti be ti:lal.)le t 11l ,nl:nt the
bonds
,were thcy As .
to the represerltatin9sthat ‘vt•re mode. Stat 2 of
t!ie i'optiiiiipn of itel:tri.l, he c..ntendcd that theywet e' .founiled 'in the ?...t
E r. Swift ealsrkated the nu it4.Eer t,f the I...ll.l'hi!ants
of Irela.nd at one ard a half ; a;id in 176 z,
Mr.- Burke, one pf their ow.) ‘vriicri,;rqi,.:sented
tl e iocroase pi the ,PratF,tatit,,ai ,k of.regrti
fitey,,,big at that perio:l one halt i;l' the
pppulatiott. It. was imp .isit)lC, therefore, ti ;it tile
01,)UI.I thF...precr.nt da a y .11 ,litif lii Cour
becaus,e, 1119'
that Collpijy, t!i.it it IS 11.11i)cble fs4-
it
,to h,tvr a poolationr,f five but wty
suppose the Ctithr.)lics to have increased to four
' the Prote'Strints were otilyorte
? Was it to be.suppi.;se'd that the. Protestants
C,,0)11 tv,t proplg3te. 4s Wc!ii the ?
lie.
.aisi rik)t hituuosc the I.Tiole r uitiation 4c)
imount to Inc6i,ali,ave three po.
palation of. Erlgland and Wales at ilia time of the
Revolution );.,d beet) ,090,0D0, and by the 1 t te,
turns a; teared to he only tti,orpo,oQr.) , ,vats it
to he supp.;;sed, that, the populatton Ireland hail
quadrupled within ilia last Century; that of
Eng Lind and Wales -had ordy of- one
? N a one third of the personal psopertyr, of
the I;.ingthon, not the one hundresitii,part of the
real property Was in the liati4l L.f lie ea:holies of
It Incl. i'he;t'.itliolic I,nor -far out itive.Ortred the
Protestants of that &icri,ition. i ile l ionourable
Member argneil.,tll,lt ill: Clith,rlh!4 Ct4riLitrable
merit fur their .c:ir,dit:t at the l) )ions and had
.cicduced • fr,)4l. that city hilt a right.-
to
,tot of all
Y. tt%if Rights
What it 43 tkiF the year 179; a—meet.
ir4v.uf. tot.k littee in Fr.iguii.s'treet,
the large,r that I, ad ever asetnbled in Ire_
land, being efinipo,e,,4,nl,tleleg tie.; from every part
tit Irclana, ,He was at a foss to know Why' the
Governinent pertatittettstach an asst:lnlaly. At'rhis
meeting they had Come' to one 110111 mops resolution,
.that colle4tiveiy and individually they would resist
even, their own ernancipar tun, if it were tc,i be prn.
cured by a Legislative I.Ltion. In one' of .the
speeches of ii dem igugues kit that day, the French
Itevolution, was praised,
,anti- the' War against that
Nation
.was styles; 'an impiotl, crusade.—Such had
been at that' period tlie loyalty i•if the Certliolics to
the F,,,glisb Gnyernment, and to the conneicinn
Entlatal, In 1797 tilt>, ratt'At the R.,oyai ix-
cluitige, and 4recd to xesnlations at violent aq the
former. He ;bad never !net ol4t tit the r-f,nir J
eubio, a Democr.tt,. a Bl,ll:herrier, alt EvclTly oi4
CountrY; that . was not a friend, to the Cath,lie
Cratirte: l'Acre W3s d Zir Ittli,UttiOn et the

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If

IriA-Cathollcs in tba thition of seti'antt t
handicraftsmen, and when the' Rebellion broke ow,
nren}e.ithstaniiing antecedent kindness, they Murdered
their misfits.without any Scruple. .A short time bea
fore the breaking nut of the Rebellion, tile
ants'of
.Orishes, headed by 'their Priests, had
taken the'oalts of allegiance, and yet in three weks
after they had risen ibinsurreflion, and mtirdered
their maiters, 'neat!ed,Fither 'Murphy. If the men.
sure PrOvseil by thetlon.Mitubt.rshould".;,r A
to, a much larger pro; ortine of Carholics than he
supposed would- be. returned
‘the next General
hefore tw.a I),tilignaents
there''WOuLtbe (h,rliolics in, the Hon' c. If
a Minister was it distress',•w4 it not tn be supposed
•
that such a bed}, th,ike their -terms
with,him-? :and, hit security would the Con,,lry
havd, if they sli.-n!ti oblige hint to eomply with their
wishes ? and in the event of a Catholic I.,nrd
tenant and. CJiholic app tinted for
that Conntry, the Pailnilies would not next attack
the Church' Est4lighttient ? had no, d thar,
in theit present application, thq Led that in vieve,.
anit that they woUltlai • soon as they should have
the power, seize on all the Church Property.-
They were all to a-Man Dem ,cra:i ; all ltepubli.
cans, disposed. to 'subservient to France.—
Wouldnot theil if they sliot!d 'sucSeed in this in..
stance, urge that, as the S..:,,teh Nation, which has
fewer representativeti here than Ireland;enjoys some
of the poWer Iterand all fte patronage at_ home,
they too chi utl lie atimitied to their 'pr.ipor..
tion of influence and. lower ?lie could not think
t
that, what wa:i refused rt") 'English G.etitletrin 'who
Were ralt1;11>le-Sohjellp, would e 'granted tO Irish
Romanis's. This 'theasore Soldit induce the repeal
the,Te;,Lt of:the Corpse tit'
An, of the Rill
of Rights, and of thc Act: iii,Settledlent some
rlftitSuiais. 'r The ill the :Kink
shoidd 'tint merry 4 Papist under pain of forTei,ore
Of 1113 CroWn, nor an Heir" Apparent ni.-A'rri, a
p‘ipkr without dicualifyingbitmeit g
to the they then think that ;here
wai a' jleonio,. or aii" indiVidnal Itiett I 'to
Fr-tece, that Would nett- wish-such'an"alter:iti is is
that the, rrte‘aqttre roduce iri `our happy
stiturio*? The'R 01;t1,iitl, he contended, eni
at present 111,7. security of property, a gr:,ter
prAportion of Civil Rig",ti and Religious r
than the nest tavonred Sub.ictql of any Nati n
in. the World. Tilt 'with-lioldi,.g of tal •
,pnwei from Sul,j •al nor, Of the E,tab:ished Re
gion had never o,:,r;rt corteicletetta 11,,Irdstiip in. t
Provinces. lie had already ihewn -
their overt later %A. Titets, and from the d
their COuheils., that' the alllptions in the Periti.-Sit
;were nut conformable to' the ptinciples or the
;tice of their 'justiet• Biack3tnne h.iJ elate fr .
that the Test an I Cot poration Atis vier e the bulwark
cif the C r.be Mennier who ha
argued the c Ise ha 3 taken' notice only 'of thleoro
nation 0 nth pre yet ilii d in the 'reign of King
ham and Queen ;Mary, but had not taken-any notteet
of the oit Ii prescribed ihthe,reign niQueeo -Annest
rE er the Union with Scotland, by whicli,.the
atl,l Queen at their Coronation were obliged (to
they wound maintain violable the C, Insil:.
ttition of the E.. inpire in Church and State, as exist
itig at the time of tat'Union; Hon. Genrie
Irian had argued, that His Mdiesty Was bound to
a.i?,ree:t2 any measure which had passed both lionses
of Parliamtlnt; lint he contended on the ccintrart',
that 11.4' M.,j,..sty was bound by the teritti'ef: his'
Pritt's',nitaeton
a9t'44,411:0, would Piave. refuse
lt;:ve t.lll.lelseltl7:!lt4ra,ol fAalteenritti;atTire
Fundathental 'LAWS 'of the Realm as they eii,ted at
tl,ie time ()flaking it. The Oath was binding, AA
he tl+-qlied that' any House of Parliament had- the
Power to dispense with its obligation. That wan a
cltriete, and belonged not' to any part of
our L-12.,islatu)e. He was not one of those itivaelere
, WEO In.ltnraine I an. opinion
;0; hoisild 'to give ilia' .A..sent to ant
rn. attire. that :mil p.;s,ed:both Hauges of l'arlidmetrt,,
in tit t 1.1;e-, tlint-pirt' of the -Legtlature
would'be blank. Li had beets that little
cor.ccding what the Catholic*
claimed; but he .o,.as of opinion, that thrugli liitltt
rhiAht' he granted, tint little. was rile Supreme Le...
gi,t..itite I f the Cotlntry. If the grant of the 1 lee.
tive FtaniJ;e., kva,; to-be:maae an argtnnent for the
griintinf; cif the I),,,,:,(eit•ntative Franchise,' it was
with him an argument for taking away the Eleaive
Ftanchi3e, Repteatitative Franchise
could out be -I.,:rantecl- v•itititit the destp4lian ' the
Cotittition. •
Tr AV concurred with his [ion. Friend •
this .subp.al to the con
soerJ..iori 'of the 11,t1,3,,,, in depreeating all kind
01 wt one or the 'otMr. He' rlid
not forget the 'Ciroirnsatio:ls that hart led to the
th,t taken place, and the terrible
Corn(egnene,ts that had, followed, at
ther/;h0,r,..0 the causes, noes tia hinge' existed,-
it watt his ol ihion. that ail .should cease
also. f t.ll4ritheret.i the ckdati.4o, but he forgot
the aniot)sity. 'rhe catiStis that had produced 'the
Venal Code 11:141 also ceatedi anti he therefore re.
trounced all oniroosities to the Rebellion, all ;mi.
tnaities..to rule. Lawr.. The gileStion 'w,is nit all
'the 14..icried I)4t or It stated it, whethe'r tbei
should qualify it fifty intAividuals to tit' in Oat
should
dveilsitft7y t
y a
greatvitalb..d
andof Tillie f''llow_sult) tc,
principle 4' which h.sinpite would be etfeetuala
ly deteude4 They :W4t..1.4.i give Ink( little- to Ire. •
land,' but the tr rant ,w fi'tt'y thirr, to themselves.
'The argunients of the Srned mien) in went
the length sif Proving, (hat the Roman ,Catholics
were eeitiCilable sto the Cantritaiinit, that the
Ik.:, :m;l6 Ciithali:Clergy were an eater-41e class,
that sought' the Subveision of the .G,)vrinrnent-.--
But the I.l,olneti Doe toes argument **as fallacious;
lie entklviv:reA to prsiVe, that to be g.joil Sul),
jells duly :.hould be had Catholics. tits argil.
in nt went tit inew, that they.wshed to estalllish
'an 'eternal ,war in the interiot. of Ireland, an
eternal war with din; Country, and an eternal
frit:n(lo'6p with France. MI argutoent, it, pub...
'and art IV3siurt sli ul.I talc plaLe, would
sial.))zet the Printer to ide..intliCt% d. The 1„,,
I), .:toe's hostility talk in the whole
eact, tit .at
dorati-ln, the peter. the present,' a,A the latute ;
at all tunes, and under all citeumstduces, lie
dared Idniself the...enemy, of their, power. It

se'its for this reason he l.ad himself to defend-the
Catholics- frcim his attack,, , itnd the Protestants
from".:iis ile,fence. dAnir.,l that there. was any
thing in the Catholic or ip abstraCtly iticom..-
I,:itilde- will, loyalty, or tt-t would prevent itCa;
'thnlic from being as good aSubjeCt as any othertti
his Kirg, or from performing from reasons founded
on his religion any services which the-exigencies of
the State may require; The, Catholic Religion 'was
on this ground cooneded with the cnutt o(ROme,
.hut not with the Chureh, whilst its Lnemies repre
sented it as conneaed with the Church, and not
aolely with the Pope. Those (who Were hoitile to
that Religion fought grounds of charges against it
in the Contents 'of the Decrees of the Council of
Latsiap; and of. other. Council's', which :Were's() ri.
(liculous, so little connected with the case of .Pro_
testants, as to lie offe;isive to common sense,
and wholly inapplicabli to the present question;—
The Council of Lateran, which the learned rept.
laced, Aircratt, first, 'certain points of doetrine se.
,zor:illy, suni points of discipline ; end thirdly, cu..
tabs penalties or punishments, that had taken place
ihrfe hundred years before any Protestants existed.
Orie of the'' decisions of tha/t Council was, that's God
had f:reated Angels and Devils, and ilof virgins and
married women were creatures riot unacceptable to
tire Deity. Now, this Was_so ridiculous in itself,
and so, absurd to have urged to an enlightened
Asembly, t 9 a protestant Parliament, that it would
be a waste of time to reply seriously to it. Want.
ittg ioreeite :an alarm, the Learned I)otior would
not, advert to the 'preparations of
.the Enemy, or
Ole designs of their Fleets 9,ri heduse be
knew that Britons would he ready to meet their
J,:netnies in,every quarter of the. Globe, but drew
forth•the' Decreei of the Council of ;Lateran for that
purpose.-;-Fromsuchia specimen ha should not deem,
the tern, tnisapplied to call him the Learned Dodor
of the sth.ccatury.. But in opp'sitinn to the autho.
rityof 'that Learned Gentleman, and of the Lateran
Couccil, lie could cite a much higher authority, that of
Grotiti., There was another learned authority to
whic c''uld refer in refutation of the charges of the
T..earfAcd Gentleman upon the religious principles of
site f,tilatliotics. In the year 1792 there were some
douirts entertained on the subi-ct, of three questions.
teleting to the Catholic tenets. ist, Whether
. the ii(isver of th. Pipe extended to temporal con.
eet,os ; 2dly, Whether the doctrine • was Sound,
on Faith was to he kept with Heretlea; and
3,44 y, Whether the Pope had a' deposing power.
'f'iestt questions had been referred to six Universi.
too. ; •to the Universities of Salanianea, of .Parit, of
stivaia), arid to three otherso and they had urtatai.'
posly agreed that such dodrines formed .no. part of
tt le Catholic fitlilt. The argument of the Learned
t', I Eta therefore, that 'it was impossible for Ca.
Fitolics-in be loyal sobjetts' to flis Majesty, or to
mite in defence of their Country with their felhew
~tihjoetti against the common Etiertly, if it was to
have Joy effed at all, would only hatre the cilia of
,:otting offiliree noilians of His Majesty's stibjeas
from being availaide to the exigencies of the State.
Bat the tact was, that in the year 1792 they solehth.
ly abjured the temporal power of the Pope, the
Liettine that no faith 'was to be kept with lie.
reties, ur . that the Pope had a deposing power.
went farther, they abjured all designs on the
Protestant property, all designs on the 'Protestant ;
and bad done every thing to quiet the fear. or
preliensions of the Protestants oti'h,Fli these heads.
In 1793, they called on the Piotestanti to name
their own tetras. A Test was then framed by the
Learned, by which they. swore allegiance
to, the King, support to 'the, Protestant pro.
perry, sod, the vrottsismi,,togeiher With an Ojti.
ration tit the su'speCted deiftrines. Thin 'feet WAS
;!tilnittP+tcreti on -Oath, and taken universally by
sod that Having. been the case, he
should eay that the Proteeiant Gentlemen had
, no right to enspeet their si.ncerity";. as the CiltiltAiC
had no -right to refurn to the tiodrine, the Protestrhit
tied' nOright to Tesoro tai the charge, lied the
Dodor trained the Test with a view to make those.
who "should take it perjure themselves, with an
intention to send them •to thi• Devil ? Did the
Learned Dottor think himself justified its their
• taking this I est, in enneluding that what was be.
fore but'neitter of snspicion was nciw proof of per.
jury Colod he say to the Catholics, I know these
opinions are inherent in yoUr hearts, and if yoo
-.abjure them that you perjure yourselves ? He did
not say 'thst such. lied bean the intention of the
I,earnest ,I),:etor,' but such had certainly been the
eesti;t., lie: contended, thetrfire, that-the Learoid,
Doitor had been refuted by his uWri Test. Intheory,
lie was also wrong. The opinion of the late Lord
(Aare on tit s subjett was, that he had no objection
to thel4;onati Cutholics as Catholics, but as they
adhered ,to the Church. A Test had therefore
been tortmol by the PrOtestant Parliament to re.
duce The Catholics to mere cathplieism, whereby they
became Catholics, but ceased to be,Papists. The
,Leatord DottOr had therefore acquitted the Catho-
lic*. whom- he attacked, but convitted the laws
which 114116:Aided, and in this he had done roJre
for the. causee, than tots( one who wished for the
repeat of the rental,ning 'disabilities., He :hati Said*
that every Iti t 1 Catholic was an enemy to his
King aid to the Government, and here. it was
to be observed that cite Leatnett. Duaor had not
said that every Catholic, English as well as Irish,
was of that desetiption ;-nut that every Irishman
Protestant, as well,as Catholic, was an enemy to
his King, by whic'tit,t would appear that the Ca-
tholic' encountered I,...methiog in Ireland which he
did not• elsewhere, timid (NS he arqoitted the
Catholic and col/ViOtti the The Learned
Dodor had commenced with 'a fatal eandoura and
coocludes4 with a fatal warmth, the best of winch
destructive of tile foundation, the latter of the
rt:lll,per of till argutbent. . The lips of the bigot shall
a1144s of
10'own reputation. He did not
inean to keply to the Learned Ctentleman'e argument
to point of logie—but he °Quid nut suffer his state.
ntradietion. I,t)had been
silent to lilt's i
,n without CO
argued, Ceti, the Irish Cathnlic natec a rotestant
3+, lit:Ditshman. The lad lie de.
.iL.mtnent, ant- 0„ e in
the itouse
fithl,.sppealc,i to tous
been sealatatici in If;•hind, arid td whets
21 so who vad been that Cs batty, w lether theY
had felt d the Itialt to entertain
ne tnes
any, hatrrd yinst
• Terlt Lord Lituteriota ct Ire.
• , "
?anti visits the tcpreienrattve or. t ales•t y in that
antryi 44•••,..
Rriglislultan ; if on: were to
10 . • •

say that he was hate 3 by the Irish, that he toes not
love4,by theta, wOuld.be laughed at, This way
a striking instance in the teetlialf his assertion. If
the Dotior were to he believed, what was to be
thought 4, the Protestants who bad for six centuries
possessed the Government of the country,_ if they
had only taught. the Irish to hate then ? He begged
to know' what county; what part of the country it
was in which an Englishman. could not safely ap-
pear Would` the County Representatives say
whether_ it was in any pat't of Connaught, in any
County of `Munster, or in the County of Kerry,
that an Englishman could .not 'live ? Would they
'not,:on the contrary, say, that the people of Ireland
were attached warmly to those who proteded them;
that they loved their .pissent Lord Lieotenant,
whose 'Mild Overatneat afforded them tooteelion
He should not go as far back as the_Learned Doe.
tor, because he would not delay the House by any
unnecessary detail ; this, howevei, he should lay
down as a fixed- and certain principle, that no
bellion had taken aloe; in Ireland upon grounds of a
permanent nature, nor upon any religious grounds.
Neither the Rebellion of 1641, nor the Rebelliost of
1798. The Rebellion of 1641 had arisen froM' the
confiscations of property, the foreign education of
the Clergy, the driving Of the Catholics from their,
homes, and the shintiog up of their Chapels. There
were other censer also—this Country was agitated,
Scotland too was disturbed, and it was nut to be ex.
petted that under such situation of affairs, Ireland
could have thewn an extreme degree of loyalty. In
1688, religion neither was the cause of the Rebel-
lion; There was, in that instance, an abdicated
King, and the Rebellion succeeded to a fabricated'
Popish Plot, which led to a persecution of the
tholics,' in order to induce them to avoid foreign
connexion by internal proscription. If all the
blood that had been spilt in 1641, and KingWil.
Ham's time, had had the effett of re'coneiling
the Setts, be should congratulate his Countrymen
on the blood of their ancestors. But if the spirit.
'of folly should still operate to preCipitate them
anew into divisions amongst themselves; he, should
the more diettly deplore 'the fatality ; he ,should
think that there was something extraordinary in
the frith understanding, and that , the hand of the
Almighty entailed the -curses of their forefathers as
the inheritance of posterity. As -a proof that the
People of Ireland were considered . loyal,. during
these times, he appealed to thecommtinicatione of
the Irish, and the Ads of the English Government,
which attested their having' been particularly_ loyal.
No Member of Parliatuena had a right to defame his
Country when the Ads of Government were In its
favour, and the argument of the IVlember against it.
That the Rebellion of 1798 had been no Catholic
Rebellion; he appealed to the Reports of the Com-
mii tees of the Iriih-Parliaenent in 179/, which, stat.
ed there were 99.000 men enroliettin the North for
insurredioo, whilst the Lord Lieutenant represented
the South as completely loyal ; and, in fad, when
iloche'a Fleet bad arrived at Bantry. lay in 1796,
the lower classes in the South had given every as-
sistance to the King's Troops. He admitted that
the Catholics had been draWn on to the vortex of
the Rebellion, but the, Rebellion had not been
therefore Catholic. The Learned Doater, bad said,
that the Catholics; had continued,' loyal whilst'
the restraints were continued on them ; but •had
becoine disaffette& as soon as concession commenc-
ed. faal he deOied, and for a proof should
-go back 'to thearansattioni of the period. tic did
not wish, in adverting to these events, to excite
the protestant, to 'qeerrel amongst themselves, hut
Merely to. quote them as subjeals oft history.—,
When concessi‘me were made they never. failed to
Plower the purpose. 10 1778 the Catholics were
allowed to acquire real property, and two years
after, whets the Country had no Army, and the
French Fleet triumphed in the Channel, they stood
forth in defence, of their Country ; in..which in..
stance Ott...concession in the year 1792, when the
Catholics thought they might eipeciao obtain the
cicalae franchise, they applied to Governnienr, and
in the "Session' of 1793, in the Speech from the
"Throne, the, wisest he had ever heard, their.caae
Was resorittoended toPatliatneto ; but die Ministers
took no, notice of that part of the Speech, and
it was •he (alir,. GRATTAN) that had moved the
clatfse in the Addtess, withaefireuee to that passage.
The Bill was afterwatds, introduced, and having
poised the Commons, was-sent to the Lurch, with
odeclaration, that the Catholics never could lie
loyal Wltilat they adhered to their religions opi.
nions, but, would 'ever hate His Majeity and the
Government. The Catholics had obtained, in this
instance, fram the 'English Minima,' what they
bile& of obtaining from their owp Government :
but the fad was, that the Irish Government was
engaged in -party contests, which the English was
free from, so that they found the hostility of their
Government wioseoltan the hostility of. the Law.
He had now gooe through the present and 'the past
gencrationsa and, protested against 'llse prodic:e .of
1-talking pre-jodices the foundation of 'charg.co. They
had every thiog to hope from His Majesty's gra-
ciousness; but a good King might be made bad by ad.
vice. In considering the cads of the repeal of the
Code of a century, both parties mightbe wrong, one
in apprehending much mischief' from sudden repeal,
and the other inexpeding niuch benefit. The process
should be gradual to be salutary, like the plough,
slow in its progress but sure in its effect, scarcely
sensible to the mover, and raising up support for
them and their posterity. lie should, put a ques.
tion with,modesty, which he should leave to the
flow to answer. Did they not think that the
measure proposed by hie Hon, Friend would have
the effed of uniting the People of the Empire i
TWo thirds of the Christians in Europe were Ca.
tisolics, and, abstractedly, he could not but regard
' them as capable .of being. loyal Subjeds. He
could not suppose that se many Christians were
abominable in the sight of God, or, he should go
farther, that Nature had ever produced 'lto many for
a state -of reprobation., If the Dodoes opinion
were founded, the Catholics most be cursed by
nature, and cursed by revelation, cersed.by father
and son. If not, their defeat Must have arisen from
the policy of men. God is not fallible, but man is.
4 of
God can neva( err, but man. does ; and (lee error
ay he'correded. If the Catholics were to ha
,e
'the' came rights Withtlaa, PrOtosaants, they would bo
AM tyot)ti SUb I je6l3. he ware ;:egitike.n that agrees
vittl one win restore, health t,4.t,nother, w,cak.

tution. It had beervsaid,-that by this measure only
a few could he admitted to seats in. Parliament, a few,
perhaps, obtain places,.and therefore,, that the Ca_
tho'.ics Would get nothing. But the thing de.
sired was every thing ; 'it was equality.--It
was not, the seats of Jen, Members in that
House, but the seats of 658, 'of which it -was corn.
posed, because it would create a common interest.
'The -force of each part constitutes the force of
the whole. If the Protestants and the Catholics
were to continue conteoding with each- other, the
infidels might overcome them as forming one reli.
gion, as the French would destroy them xs one Na.
tion. There were four Afts of Parliament which
borootestimony to the loyalty of the Catholics.—
That of 1778 admitted them to the blessings of the
Constitution ; that of 1793,. -to all civil and mili.
tary employments. Was not this to admit them to
political power ? These Atli decided, that the Catho.
lies were innoxious, and that the accusations of
their enemies were false. There were but about
thirty.eight Officers in Ireland; eiclusive of the
„Office of Sheriffs, from which -the Catholics were
now excluded. Bur they were -in these
,preclud.
ed -from all objeas of ambition, and from that
growth of mind which ,itch objeas create. In such
a state of policy When the insolent individual it
called into office without merit or pretensione, but
because be is of the favoured _sea, he goes forth a
theologian and • a robber, and, commits crimes
in the name of hisiCing, and for the sake of his
God. England, after six hundred years of pos.
'session, ought -to answer for the erate of Ireland,
which exports to the amount of 5,000,0001. yearly,
z,000,0001. in corn, anti pays 2,003,0001. of
revenue. The inhabitants of .this Country were
attached, to their Constitution, the _Nobles for
their privileges, the Gentry for their rights, and
the People for their great charter ; the:Catholics
Would be equally good Subjects if admitted to
aii.equality of -rights. The power of the Pope was
at an end.. There could not be any danger appre.
bended;lhat if ten Members were admitted from
amongst the Catholics into Parliament, 'they would
be excommunicated by him for not promoting his
Views. The Pope could have no power excels, lie
could excommunicate armies. If they were to,think
with the Learned Dator, that the Catholics believ-
ed that heretics were. damned, that His Majesty.
was a rebel
.to the Church, what were they to
do ;with the Army, what with the Navy, what
with their
.Wives ? He should not quote- any
thing that might be objeClionable in his Pro.
tes taut Aristocracy ; but if the two setts were to
.continue, each searching out the ,defeas of the
other,, infidelity would conquer the innocence of
both, thus setting :themselves. adrift from their Gad,
a miserable rabble of theologicians dragging „op the.
foundations, of their religion, in, order to velt each
other. Was it possible for any man to say, that
the Catholics,,if possessed of equal rights, would he
less loyal than other Subjects ; or, that admitted into
Parliament, they wouldahrow themselves, not into
Opposition, but into: rebellion ? No, said the
Honourable Gentleman, you -may rely on the,
allegiance of the Catholics, for it is their inte.
rest to be loyal ;- and you should continue, to make
it so. Look to, the --times, and the, principles
of your Revolution. These principles were two—
the free spirit of the Catholics ; And the temper and
wisdom of the Protestants who succeeded. It was
that spirit and that wisdom which. constituted that
Revolution, a work suolurabie, and so glorious--it
was beauty and, simplicity, bestowed upon it by
those principles 'which render it so respected and ao
amiable when compared, With -the French Revolu.
-1i0n.... That was a dazzling, a devouring confia.
gration, that burnt to , the root. The. English Re,
volution exhibited a pure and lasting light, emanar.
irtg.from a vestal fire that graced- and defended
We should attend to the lesson of - that
.period, and
read it by that light. The Hon. Gentleman next
referred to the American War, WA it, not true,
that goring the most perilous_ period of that war,
the British Army was recruited with Catilb.
lies ; . and . the British sea thunderbolt was en.
trusted to, Catholic hands.' ,Had the General,
who reaped such,glory in Egypt, 'ordered out of the
ranks of his Army the Catholics who filled them;
or had the Adruiral who signalized himself en the
borders of the Nile, discharged frOns his Fleet ~the.
Catholics who helped to man it, where wouldhave
beets our victory---where, those Memorable triumphs?
Such must be the union and co:operation of every
description of His Majesty's Subjects, -or the Bri.
tish Empire must evaporate.. Look to the state of
the world and, you will perceive a_ new division of
the globe. There is now only Britain and France.
You have linked your existence with your great.
ness ; and when you cease to be great, you are no.,
thing. Think that now, perhaps, may beendan_
gered that security you have BO long enjoyed ;
that you touch' on the moment when you must
let dtiwn your lofty.-.pride, descend from your as.
tient renown. Perhaps, it is by -Irisk' binits that
you are to be rescued from these dangers ; that by
Iris!) hands the British Empire is to be, saved.—
But Ireland, you say, is. your vulnerable side :. and.
Why P because Ireland is ill.governed : because the
many are sacrificed to the few. Under the pressure
of her hardships, it iii not-loyalty alone she displays,
but patience. These, however, are comparatively
only cold virtues ; you must kindle in her bosom
the more ardent qualities, and On these you shoUld
engraft ambition, By reftising the Catholics about
six 'seats in Parliament, you may damp the ardour
and energies of three millions of your defenders.
No—let your favour, circulate- like your money,
bur centre no where. Let those Who bear the taxes,
also enjoy the privileges of the State. At such a rue.
tnent the object of Government should beau recreate,
to inspire, -to consolidate; forego a sytem that would
endeavour to keep Ireland against the people; free the
Catholics from restrictions; you will make them
good Subjects by affection. Fine opportunities now
present themselves. Meet the wishes of' that nu.
*roils body ; for nothing in time can -prevent the
success of their 'Petition, Leave no room for the
work of turbulerice in its favour. :clog maY.sity to
the Protestants, you have the land and vower, but
you must defend them-; hot. while they fight in the
tceachety in their rear.
rfro Let the
let
hec tatitei,ienolircr* lanrse
Protestant join hands, and,
hearts, uoite their enet#iesi. and tern them against
the Enemy,. and not . against one another. it is
upon this union lyv should more securelyrely than

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on foreign ail That union would give ut a Ulu.
news, a confidence, and a strength, which we wou:'s
derive in vain from the frozen friendship ofOO,
the doubtful assistance of Prussia, or of any () diet
,foreign P°lvei• The Honourable Gentleman then
re.called the memory and the advice of thosethes,
- tinguislied Patriots of Inland,, the Langri
the Garddert, the flutchinsona, the
wig"Burkes!
Let the House now accomplish what they 4
1
and advised : their wishes • and advice
Isere
prompted by the 'dread state of things which of
now
following their enlightened views.--tet us not ha
witness. and. which enforce the necessity of
strong only against the Pope', and severe not
our .fellow-snlijeets. Let as hold otic equal rola..
The Country
tion and equal Incitements. stands
.
In need of the united efforts of all !Ter children; itt
tenet,
most formidable foe may be now menacing ito shore;
instead, therefore, of damning one another far rrp-
tch.
let the word be given to form and ma
The ATTORNEY GENERAL. contended that the ineslUri
now proposed, if acceded to, would produce rho very rergno
of the rata. which was expeaea to result from it. Anglo
deaVoui to satisfy the Catholics. would °lily eneouragaiM
claims, which ecinlit never be satisfied to the extent atm
wishes, without -manifest injury' and injustice to tltt‘
Protestants. 'rite Laarned Gentleman stated variety of
cases in which he thought the. Protest.tut Establislitti,l
might
.be injured ; and concluded by observing, tint DY.
adopting the proposed measure, a hazard would be runoLl;
posing the State to very serious dangers. *lle SPUStI ttw
',. lore. give it his decided negative. •- . .___. th;
Mr. Al;g Ay EIL was exceedingty warm in his ire
bation of the measure, and arraigned the tendency of the ri4
ciples laid dOwn by Mr. Go Ai-rat', ,
Mr. W. SMITH began to deliver hi
with whis sentunenchts, ewal:
general cry arose of Adjourn, Adjourn, h°
disposed to comply. 101
The Cit.,e.tctr.,oa of the EXCii/QUER. rather wishe‘aoy
the Debate should close that !Light, it possible ; bora/ ' he
Gentlemen seemed anxious to deliver their opieinot , ;
• should make no objeaion to the Motion Of Aellour°:: of
but remarked, that it would interfere with other rivrte
importance, which stood tor ‘Veglnesday.
ate 61103 Or
this day v 04
ite Motion for adjourning the Deb
then put and carried,— Adjourned at 'Three o'ClOk•

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HOUSE OF P.E.HRS.
The A.djourned Debate u o the Catholic Questi.li "4
place. • PII
d 00
Lord SUFFC3I..K spoke in favour ' of the Petition, a" so,
c:acp;itantil,iirioleetai. lstoohjet: unfoundedttlhorei;chtred6att
i)il assen i o n s whi c h h a.a bri eI:
la
n 4
Earlot 5u cr;LNGNAMSNIRE 3gainEt it.--LONIIIIII*OII/4_lo
by a Noble and • Leaned Lord Jespeaimg the PrnciPtid he
bkpiriseNisloGsepudclostltiell,nlsesNiTotf
stgitireleai.autly surprised Oat 1.0 (,earn
...„. Ard,li"
should have adopted so m4aisiicysao's—isdLeLl)rwAtiNoin°rit,e..ta—iii's&,:sp:tto:drpiets,)•l!-AIlreo:h11:
ROUG If CNIC II ESTER friendlya
v theu
AERIZIAE Et, HARROW
to the icnet:Asusroct--0,:110',1c, :to:
ositto
Npooßf
FtSorL.,,C;SLAOTPdas,
iSip'oolkite
Aar
KtiliSst
et !lie)
A.111(::104111.
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ao Lo 0.
FORD, were in favour of the Petition. .11 thee'
0- Lord GRENVILLE :nada a very
.ablc reply tai,", oil Pl°
gu molts adduced against his Motion. lie `;°n`;jlelli''itle'l
assertions made by Lord RIDES DA L E relating to .„ coon
plea and conduct of the Irish Catholics, the tlitP,A Coel'
nt which he pledged himself to prove i( the proPtioenti,
tnittee were granted. He lamentect that such id"o"bervto
should have been broached by such a person: 30 orte
that the calumniated Hierarchy had act
di"'6l/11 thenth ad'
of what had bean imputed to them• His Who)? topo,
vetted to the observations which had been made, 'Malilts is, ir.
posed meaSu re was uncalled for by any Conn ty M eihe f"
..lentl,and observed, that the most amiable charatter, ebssocr.
tition was, that it was not produced by any ela,,uar"d64"ls,
meslocitt.uhntvaattdhsi.tobeeltvn n edit-fitted that the Catholic Nobleng",..le ‘suu"h' i
men were loyal and deserving men. 1 f so, vvhe'"oe bat""
ask, could be the danger of the measure ? for holti la,
Noblemen and Gentlemen would be expeetens twishiptlo
which
ii.timv important a, It:
etrrui
combated, with much force, the whole 01. We -;.to, 0,
declared his firm Cenvieti:odnditnlictaleditetSlate:altilienOsiti Ititalliiii:;;lliserhl'cla;.,:ll
was necessary to the'serthrity of the Ernpire• fe . cool°
good, Its general cotiintepledxisitials.4wi:sasalins.as
son must . triumph in the end t• success aims , /,(00'
I.lo.erred,, but the cause of justice Must ue Y I
.Lord St D.MOurn said a few words in eli'l4ll .
The House then divitlzd ,
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TuEWAY, MAY 14., 1805.
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EIGHT Ships of • the Line of the CJl'l'in ,ri
after biing drwen• to 'the Liiard by 3 Vic)°. si
i
of
wind.. anchored in Cawsand liy on S'dnjj).' 1
part of . dIVIII
the Ferrol Squadron was among -
reportedL in our Letters from Plymouth, .I.;rei
"a GARxerst; has resumed his station on •
. treat
with eighteen Sail of the Line. 'll4
,von
put of the force under Arirniol Col'I'l" I
have i., Aed iv,
"lied ;. the rest will proceed to--
d 1
Th 4 Ships seen by the-Guerrise Privattiut ii
. .Y jolt-
orted to the Yip's., appear by suhieVeng i,3
a Eait '1
vice to baoit been the out
under convorof the I.4lenbrio.
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We rep.,
no S,I,
are now enabled to confirm the
,terday, of the return of the Ife3ty of `llii '
PUbSidy from the Court of St, Peters" 11.00110
It will be found, as we have 000_1 Ytie ritc
that no endeavours,have been spittedt 1 oicedo
ourr ,Wlinistgai teWards the formation 01 se 01, di
--antedcracy agaiast Fa 6NCc, at '4'; nr Old ontie
nothing can exceed,the cOrdialitY 30 g' i, wet
standing with which their eainest JO°,
the Ministers'of tits It;trEglAL, NI/00T" Lot
Yesterday in the Court of Chance r 7 trod.
CHANCOLLOR delivered judgement
ene, ~tot lii
t,liss Say moo R. iS LOOThill &Cif
0:1)., l;100ii
uardiansiiii) of thissyoung I.IY tili Ili
Mrs. FITZHERAIIRT, 'ililt to (he to Ei
tiuGH 5El' 3.10L1R. . ildefin" ‘
ich on TuesdaY lost.
1 tl,ero tor $4
a pop,isition being b‘iblnitte(s IO led it 00
the P, 0 vote
Thanks to Lord ST. ATI NC g ii-1:t tqcC
visiOn.. Ayes 4.--Noes.l2l.

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