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TUESDAY, MARCH 30, 1802

cumstances, and not from the fmtirovidence or Mal-admi-
nistration of those who had the direction of those Branches
of the Public Service.

Lord PELHAM spoke a second time in explanation, in the
course of which, he took occasion to explain the nature of
the'Fee Fund, from -which the Officers in the Secretary of
State's Office were paid their salaries—the juniors prefera-
bly, and last of all, the Secretary of State himself. ThiS
his Lordship was induced to do, in consequence of what fell
from the Earl of Carnarvon, in the course of his observations
upon particular parts of t lie. Accounts.
The Question was then called for, upon which a Division
took place, and there appeared,
Contents (for the Address), - 6o
Non-Contents, - -4

Majority, 56
• The Lords with White Staves, were then ordered to learn
His .Majesty's pleasure, in respett 01. being waited on with
the Address,
Adjourned at Half past Seven, till Tomorrow.

HOUSE OF COMMON'S,

MONDAY, MARCH 29.

Loan Rostar SPENCER took the Oaths and his Seat for
Tavistock.

A Petition was presented from Norwich, praying for the
Repeal of the Income Tax, which was ordered to lie on the
Table.

Mr. N. V ANSITTART moved for an Account of the Pro-
duce of the 4b per Cent. Duty, from the sth offan. 1785, to
the sth j_an. trot. Ordered. • •
Mr. N. VANSITTART, shortly after presented the Ac-
count, wich was ordered to lie on the Table.
The House resolved itself into a Committee relative to the
Port of London, in which certain Resolutions were agreed
to, for the Grint Of 50,0001. out of the Consolidated Fund,
towards the Improvement of the Port, of London, to be re-
paid out of the Produce of the Sale of certain Lands. Re-
port to-morrow.
Mr. At. txANDLit brought up the` Report of the Coinmittee
of Supply, relative to the Miscellaneous Services of Ireland,
Which was read, aid after a la observations from Mr. Roy-
so*, Mr. WIcKHAM Mr. ALLXANDEX, and Lord Da
WaS agreed to. . .
Lord 13stea As/ E moved to postpone the second reading of
the Eledion 'Treating till till Thursday.--Ordered.
Me. M. T,JYLOR gave notice, that he should imme-
diately after the recess'olier to the some resolutions
relative te Mr. Gar,Nvi.i.LE's Bill. It was not his intention
to trench iN any .manner upon the operation of that Bill, but
his objed was to expedite the hearing of Petitions under the
Bill

• The C lIANC EL Lag of the EXC ITEQUE R said,
.he should on Monday next submit, in a Committee
of the whole House, certain Ways and Means. for
raising the Supplies for the current Service of the
year,, which he had been obliged to defer for some
time past, under the circumstances of this Country,
which rendered it impossible that Ministers should
know what the Expenditure of the year would bc—
or to know what the exact Provision should b.r. of a
Peace EstablishMent. He should on Molay nexk
bring this matter forward, in which he shon:d have
to submit the Conttad for the Loan, and the Taxes
by which the whole was intended to be defrayed :
and while he was up, thus giving notice upon this
subjed, he thought it might nut be improper in him
to add, it was now his intention to propose theße-
peal, of the Tax on Income. The sentiments he had
alreadyexpressedin thatHouseon the wisdom of this
measure, and of its importance to support the War,
rendered it utinecessary for bins to add any thing in
that particular; it was Peace alone, that,. in his
view of policy, ,could justify the Repeal, and this
would accOot,, he hoped, satisfadorily, to the
House for the reserve, he had studiously observed
upon this occasion. Having said this by way of ex-
planation -upon two points, which were interesting
to the.HouSe; he should propose going on,with the
Business in the course it stood in ; and, therefore,
he-should move the Older of the Day on the subjed
of the Civil List.

The. Order being read,
Mr. ADDINGTON said, he presumed, that Gen,.
tlemen who wished to take part in the discussion of
this subjel, would prefer it in the Committee of
.the whole House, to which His Majesty's Gracious
.Message had already been referred. He should now
move, " That the Report bf the Committee on the
Civil List Accounts, together with the Accounts
themselves, be referred to such Committee :P—
-which was ordered. He then moved, " That the
SPEAKER do now leave the Chair."

Sir F. BURDETT took occasion to. observe,
that now the Treaty of Peace was signed, . there
was no reason for any further delay of the Motion
of which lie had for some time given notice.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
asked what the Motion Was ?
Sir F.•BURDETT said it was a Motion for an
Inquiry into the conduct of His Majesty's, late Mi-
nisters.

more particular kind than had ever been laid before
Parliament on the subjeCt of the Civil List, arid by
which the House of Commons were enabled to
come to particular and distind resolutions upon this
important subject; in which an appeal was made
not to their generosity, though that, he apprehended
would neither be in vain, nor contrary to the wishes
of the people, but to their justice. He had the sa-
- tisfadion to say, there was now recorded on the.
Journals of Parliament, a plain, dear, distind,
and satisfactory Statement of what really are
the charge and expenditure of His Majesty's Civil
List, and which, he hoped, would afford a, corn_
pleat answer to a variety of comments made,
some of which were the result of ignorance; others
partook rather more of the spirit of disaffediod on
the subject of the Civil List, by which it would ap,_
pear how ill-founded the supposition was, that His
Majesty's Income, proceeding out of it to himself
was enormous; the contrary was the fat, and he
trusted, that all assertions to that effeil would now
be set at rest for ever. Not that this observation
was applicable to any Member of that House, for
no suchperson'woutd ever, at any time, have given
way to any such,ill-founded assertions ; but the ob-
servation•-was applicable to others of less informa.
Lion, who, from the publication of these documents,
stated in the Report of the Committee on the Affairs
of the Civil List, might have an opportunity of
looking into their opinions upon this subject, im-
-posed upon as they had been, and to correct their
errors. He trusted it would be, no' longer stated
any where, that His Majesty, now upon the ThrOne,
enjoys any advantages, with resped to Income and
Revenue, beyond What was really enjoyed by any
of his illustrious-Predecessors. It Was a proposition
which lie undertook to establish that His Majesty, .
now upon the Throne, did not, in point of Income or
Revenue, enjoy any more than any one of his
illustrious predecessors enjoyed. He wished id
call the attention of the Committee most parti-
cularly to this subjed, and for that^ purpose it
might not be altogether improper to recall to
tha, mind's of the Committee, 'the enormous re.
soirees of wealth and opulence of the Kings of
.Country in former times, and some of those
:iot very :ancient times ; at a periOd to which some
persons would be- pleased to refer, by way of
contrast to the, resent day, both in public policy
of Government, and public wealth. By this mode
of judging, 'the Co4unittee would hitv'e at' once
a-view of the moderation of His Majesty's Civil- ,
List lteventie.• The sources as well as size of the
'Revenues of our Kings in antient days, afforded
Them the means,' not only of filling -their coffers,.
but of carrying tin measures of great pressure on the
People, whether they were willing ta bear them or
'not. In the times to which he alluded, the King had
the disposal of the whole of the Revenue 'of the
Country, except at some times of public exigency,
when, -on account of sudden, or increased demand
upon the State, it became necessary 'for the' Mo.'
narch to resort to the House of Commons. It was.'
On such occasions, and on such only, that the Com-
mons had the privilege (a valuable and important
privilege even then, but of the exercise of which
there were such few • opportunities, but 'which pri.
vilege is now perfea) of restraint on the condtid
of the Executive Government, and which now was
adequate to all the purposes that were necessary for
the check of abuses on Executive Government.'
His Majesty on the Throne had the ' power of
applying any part of the Public Revenue of the
Country to his own particular 'purpose or personal
use; and which use was frequently offensive to the
feelings, as well'as injurious to the interests of the
people. It was needless to enumerate the heads
under which this misuse was made
,of the Public.
Purse. A few would be sufficient, by way of'hint
to recoiled others, Favouritism; Prodigality, arid
Corruptiono--This was long felt as the subject Of
complaint to the people of this Country, but
there were only a few opportunities afforded for
the 'House of Commons to express .them. Only
when they were called 'upon to 'grant 'aids to the
Crown, which, for the reason he had already men-
tioned, were not often wanted. It was at the-com,
mencement of the Reign of Charles the Second,
that the system began to take plaCe which gave a
check, or means of controul to the House of Com-
mons, and through their-medium, the People, over
the abuses of Executive Government,. which were
often intolerable, under the heads of Tonnage, •
• Pre-emption, Sec. arid a' price was set upon the de-
liverance of the Public from these imposts, and the
Revenue -of the King 'of England was settled on its
-present foundatiOn. Here he- recapitulated the
iterns.that were most grievous to- the Public, and
the means by which they were got rid of, observing,
that he took a view of these things -incidentally,
for , the purpose of doing away the -misconeep- •
tion which some persons had laboured under as to the
nature of the Civil List Revenue, its hiStory, and the
'purposes to which -it was now applicable, of which
a word or two presently. The Revenue of
the Crown in the Reign of King James the' Se-
cond, was two millions. per •annum, At the
commencement of the. reign-of King William 111.
a question was put, Whether His Majesty jure
Corolla', was entitled or not, to these Revenues
which formerly of right belonged to the King of
England ? This was a question which the People
were very desirous at that time of having: settled :
but the 'Commons abstained from Coming to a deei-
sion on that question. Bat happily for the People
of Engiwndy a large portion of the Revenue enjoyed
by the Kings, of England before the Revolution,
.vVere commuted; and came into another channel,- and
it found' its way into the hands of the Subiecte at
which time; the Parliament having- refused to de.
.termirte whether those dties formerly, enjoyed by
our Kings, ,belonged to,. Xing William in right