The Sun.
London, England, 1834-05-06 00:00:00

SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS.

The debate of last night, in all its parts, was pretty ac-
curately anticipated in our article of yesterday. Mr. Har-
vey's motion for an address to the Crown, praying his
Majesty to revise the pension list, was promptly met by
Lord Althorp with a declaration of war, on the ground of
lisrespect to his Majesty, of breach of compact with the
Sovereign, and of a violation of rights which, according to
;uvariable usage, might be considered as " vested" ones in
the parties enjoying pensions. Mr. Strutt, as had been
precoucerted, move an amendment, the purport of which
'was to refer the pension list to a select committee, with a
view to ascertain how far the pensions which appeared
herein had been granted in conformity with the resolution
of th-e House of Commons of the 18th of last February,
which resolution, it will be remembered, went to assign
the conditions on which future pensions ought to be
;ranted, or, in other words, to define the qualifications
of the persons entitled to them. The motion of Mr.
Strutt was • convenient in two respects—namely, the
careful exclusion of every attempt to limit the right of
inquiry, and the no less sedulous avoidance of the most im-
portant part of the question—viz., whether or no that
inquiry was to be followed up by any proceedings either
against those ministers who had advised the objectionable
pensions, or against the parties receiving them. Thus it
would appear that the amendment was so penned as to ad-
mit the support of two opposite classes of voters—both
those who were to be satisfied with mere inquiry, and those
who demanded that inquiry should in a case of gross abuse
be followed bya recall of the pension. Howeerav, this scheme,
well as it was protected, also failed of success. The amend-
, ment had been designed as anintermediate motion, the sup-
port of which by a majority, in preference to that of Mr.
Harvey, would, though opposed by ministers, still leave
the latter released from the understood pledge to resign,
by which they had bound themselves in case of their
defeat on the original motion. But as we have said, the
friendly plan was unsuccessful. Lord Althorp first de-
clared his determination to oppose Mr. Strutt's amend-
ment, and Mr. Stanley announced, that he would resign
should it be carried. We cannot see that, either by the
speech of Sir Robert Peel, or by any of those on the same
side of the question, the slightest approach to breach of faith
was established against the revision of the details in the pen-
sion list, with a view to the revocation, if requisite, of such as
might have been ill bestowed. No man denied .that mi-
nisters were responsible for whatever pensions they had
advised the grant of, and none asserted that the lapse of
time was a bar to the enforcement of such responsibility,
even long after they had quitted office. On what prin-
ciple, therefore, Mr. Stanley's declaration was founded,
that he and his colleagues would resign in case of a defeat,
we have still to learn, except on the supposition that in
the present, as in many other cases, the real motive was
different from that which was acknowledged. The defeat,
however, which was to end in resignation' did not occur;
but, owing to the strenuous support and well-mustered
numbers of the Tory party, Ministers achieved a victory !
What a victory !
" Hoc Ithacus velit, et magno mercentur Atridte."
Times.

We have great satisfaction in being able to state that
the unfair means which have been resorted to with a view
to create a prejudice against the Poor Laws' Amendment
Bill, have, in many of the metropolitan parishes, signally
failed. A numerous vestry, which was held yesterday at.
St. George's, Hanover-square, to take into consideration
the proposed bill for the amendment of the poor laws,
came to the following unanimous resolution :—" That this
vestry deems it expedient to suspend the declaration of
any opinion on a subject of such vital importance to the
country as the bill for the amendment of the poor laws,
' until it shall have been more fully discussed in its progress
through the legislature." We understand that at this
meeting Mr. Sturges Bourne and Mr. Leslie, the gentle-
men to whose exertions the parish of St. George, Hanover-
square, is principally indebted for the economy lately in-
troduced into the management of the parochial funds, both
expressed themselves strongly in favour of the bill. On
Saturday, a meeting of the vestry of the parish of St.
James was held, at which a deputation to Lord
Althorp was agreed to. The deputation waited on
Lord Althorp yesterday, and informed his lordship that the
provisions of the bill, with few exceptions, met with the
approbation of the vestry. At the meeting. on Saturday,
Mr. Byng supported the necessity of investing the com-
missioners with the powers given to them by the bill, and
observed that the commissioners had less power than those
which had been exercised without complaint many years by
the commissioners of bankrupts. In the parish of White-
chapel, in which, by skilful management, considerable re-
ductions have been made in the expenditure on the poor, a
meeting was held a few days ago, at which resolutions in
favour of the bill were agreed to. Mr. Corder, the vestry
clerk of the parish of St. Paul, Covent-garden, waited on
the commissioners at their office, and stated that it was his
own opinion, and the opinion of some of the best-informed
individuals of the parish, that, with some modifications, which
he suggested, the whole of the report of the commissioners
should be agreed to : he even thought they might have gone
f rther. At Shoreditch a meeting was lately called, at which
the guardians of the poor and other parish officers proposed a
petition against the bill. This proposition was met by a
statement from some gentlemen present, that the powers
of the guardians themselves, under their own local act,
were identical with, or at least quite as extensive as the
powers given under the Poor Laws' Amendment Bill to the
commissioners, while the guardians were irresponsible, and
the commissioners would be responsible ; and if they must
choose between the powers given to the guardians, and the
powers to be given to the commissioners, they would pre-
fer the latter. The debate lasted upwards of five hours,
and ended by both parties withdrawing their respective
propositions. The party in favour of the bill declared if
the officers persisted in their intention of petitioning
against the bill, they would submit a counter petition to
the inhabitants in support of it. It was in contem-
plation to have a county meeting in Berkshire on
the subject of the distressed state. of agriculture,
but the requisition was, we understand, withdrawn
in consequence of the expectation entertained of the be-
nefit to be derived from Lord Althorp's Tithe and Poor
Laws' Amendment Bills. We are glad to find that the
people are not led away by the silly clamour raised against
the scheme. It is easy to call names—to call the bill,
for instance, a pinch-pauper bill; but if a distinction be not
made between the independent labourer and those who
subsist on charity, of what use is declamation against the
allowance system? People are not branded as criminals
because they are poor ; but, as Lord Althorp truly ob-
served, though it be not a crime, it is a misfortune to be
poor ; and they who wish to place the pauper on the foot-
ing of the independent labourer in point of comforts,
merely say in so many words, that all the independent
labourers shall be reduced to the condition of paupers. But
we have not space now for further comment on this sub-
ject.—Morning Chronicle.

FALMOUTH, MAY 4.—His Majesty's packet
Mutine, Lieutenant Pawle, arrived here this morn-
ing from Jamaica, whence she sailed on the Ist of
April, and from Crooked Island on the 9th, with mails.
She brings on freight 25,000 dollars, but in point of
news nothing which can be deemed of particular inte-
rest. The new Governor had not arrived, but his
Majesty's ship Blonde, with the Marquis and suite on
board, was spoken with on the 2d instant, all well—it
was expected they would reach Jamaica on the follow-
ing day. His Majesty's ships Sapphire, Pearl, Tweed,
Larne, Magnificent, and Cruiser, were in Port Royal
Harbour when the Mutine left. His Majesty's brig
Scorpion, Lieut. Robilliard, remains detained till to-
morrow for Oporto and Lisbon.—Morning Herald.

Mr. Ducrow,' we hear, is preparing Turpin's
celebrated ride to York, so vividly described in the
new romance of " Rookwood," for immediate repre-
sentation at Astley's. No better subject could have
been selected, and we predict that the piece will have
an equal success with " Mazeppa•" The ride is to
be given entire. The chase through Tottenham and
Edmonton, and Turpin's adventures at those towns— ,
the pleasant pipe—lighting scene—the stoppage of
the York stage—the scene in the stable near Stain-
ford, where Turpin puts the raw steak upon his horse's
bridle—the subsequent perilous escape of the high-
wayman from his pursuers—the rencontre with the
gipsey Queen beneath the gibbet on Goresby-hill—
the spectral meeting with Sir Luke Rookwood on the
misty banks of the Don—the passage of the Ouse at
Camwood Ferry, near York ; and finally the death of
of Black Bess, after the completion of her wondrous
task, are all to be represented in as many tableaux.

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141 Ditto Ditto —s. —s. fine —s. —9.
New Foreign 60s. fine —s. 665,
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COAL 3MAti

Per Tot,. s. d.
A dair's 16 6
Chester Main 15 Ii
Dean's Primrose —..—. 15 6
II !ywetl
Ord's 15 6
14 6
Pontop Windsor 15 9
17 6
West Hartley 15 6
Wylam 18 0
Walls End Bell & Brown 17 3
Walls End 18 6
Walls End Hilda 17 6
Walls End 1 lotspur l7 3
Walls End Killingworth 17 6
ditto Northumberland , 17 6
Ships arrived since

KET.—May 2.
l'er Ton. s. d.
Walls End Nos march.... 17 0
Walls End Riddell's ..... 18 3
Bell's Primrose » 16 3
Walls End Helton 19 3
Walls End Lainbton 19 0
Ditto Russell's Lynn's— 17 0
Walls End 19 0
Walls End Adelaide 17 6
Cowpen --------- 14 6
Culm James and Aubrey 17 0
Hartley 15 3
lAangennech Pemberton 21 0
Neville's Lianelly.—.--. 19 6
New_ Flockton, Milne, _

and C0..........:-......; 15 9
Walls End Elgin ............... 16 0
last market-day, 27

CORNWA 1.1 NIARKEIS.
'Fat;no—Wheat (average) `2.111s Od —Barley, 9s. 6d.—Oats, Bs. 9cl.
ST AUSTELL--.WhCat, —s. to alS.—Barley, Os. to 105.-04 ts
7s. to Si. Od.
PENZANCE—Wheat, 18s. to 193.—Barley, 9s. to 103.—Oats,
Os. to 93. 6d.—Beef and Mutton, sd. to 50.—Fork, Od. to 3d.—
Butter, 12d. per lb.
I,AticusTox—Wheat (average) 19s.6.1.—Barley, 93.01.—0aU,
Gs. 6.l.—Beef, 4d.—Mutton, 6d.
LtsKEA an—Wheat, —s. to 19a. o.l.—Batley, 9s. 6d. Oats, Us.
to 7s. 6d.
floomiN—Wheat (average) 218.—Barley' 105.9.1—0at5, 9s Gd.
HELSTON—Wheat, 203.01—Barley, 93 tsd.
ST. COLUNIR—Wheat, -.os. to 215.—itarley, 9s. to 10s.—Bccf,
and Mutton, 51d. to ad.—Veal. o.l.—Lamb, Od.

MINING IN l'l LLIGRNC E. Tons. Cwt.
aantity of Copper Ore sold at Redruth last Thurday
ji 3,449 11
11. 15s. 6d.--AverageStandard, 1131. 14s. Od
273 14

Quantity of fine Co
Amount of Sale,:2l.

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