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FRIDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 28, 1851.

on sugar and other art'cles. That plan was rejected by
the House of Commons, artd in 1845 the circums'aucea
of the country having in • the meantime undergone a
great change and assumed a diff,rent :aspect,
Sir Robert Peel pronouuced th et at no dis-
tant period the corn-laws must be repealed,
and at the same time—in the month of Novem-
ber—without any coatenueication with my party,
I published my opinions that the time was come when
the corn-laws could DO longer be maintained. The only
safe course then was to proceed to their abolition,
and Sir Robert Peel gave the honour of the
change which afterwards followed to the Hon, Member
for the West Riding.—(llc ar, hear.) Now, Sir, I think
it is due in a great part to Sir Robert Peel and to the
Hon. Meetber fur the West Riding, but I can't altogether
say that I claim no credit but the smellest amount
is due fot the part I toil- in effecting the change.—
(Hear, hear.) That change was t ffectetl in 1846, and I
believe its effects have been most beneficial to this
country.—(Cheers.) I believe that the gnat mass of
the people of this country are enjoying benefits
from that change which the) could not o•herwise have
obtained.—(Hear, hear.) When the rein-, of pool r fell
into our hands it was our endeavour to proceed in that
policy ; and on two very important questions,
namely, in the• case of foreign suger and the
navigation•laws, we succeeded in carry it g measures
conformity with our present commercial policy.—
(Hear, heat.) I rejoice that we were able to car -y
these two c!eanges into effect with the willing
concurrence of the two [louses of Parliateent, for
it appears to me that while we are a neeavourieg to
carry such changes into effect, we should, es tar as
possible, do so without disiurbieg the institutions o
the country.—(Cht era ) I will now proceed to the n. xt
subject, aid that is the Bill relatierg to th
assumption of power in this country by a tot sign cede.
sias,ival power.—(Lear, hear.) I stib c,neur in the
opit ions which I entertained on the introduction of tha
Bill. It is my opinion that Vie assumption of the se
titles was an assumption of power on the
part of a foreign prince which it was imps-
eible ior us to pass by unnoticed ; but, Sir, I
will say this, that I thought and still thielt
that the main object to be attained by that
bill was the vindication of our national iadependence
and the assertion of the supremacy of the Crown and
kingdom or England as against any foreign power what-
ever.—(Hear, hear.) But, Sir, with respect to the
Bill we had introduced, looking to the past proceedings
in the Irish Courts of Law, there are setae of its clauses
which ought not to be pressed to the fullest Extent.
It was not oar intention so to interfere with anything
which belongs to the regular order of Romen'Catholic
worship. So tar we were anxious to maintain the re-
ligious liberty which exists in this country. Therefore if
that Bill were proceeded with, I should he ready to make
all such alterations as should prevent any of the inter-
ference which seems to be dreaded. I own that when I
see a man of such moderation as Archbishop Murray oh
jetting to the provisions of that Bill, I will say I am quite
reading, to examine sad go into the provisions of the
Bill, anal see whether the objections which have been
stated really do exist.—([fear, hear, and laughter.)
My persuasion was, and I was induced to believe
so by information which I received from a very
high authority that on these two points which I have
stated this Bill was not calculated to make any inter-
ference. Therefore I am quite ready to carry into
effect the original intention of the Bill, not
to depart from them, and not to go beyond them,
There is another question of very great importance upon
which, on the occasion of a late debate, on the 20th
instant, I made a statement to the House on the
subject of extending the franchise. It is fit
that I should state to the House that there
subject leas beep under the consideration of the Cabinet
during the late recess, but myself and my. colleagaes
came to the unanimous determination that it
would not be right to introduce a measure
on that subject in the present session. As, howeveis
a general election must take place in 1853, we deter.
mined that 1852 would be the latest time that such a
measure could be introduced. With respect to the
question itselt. I have to say that having
for ten years before the Reform Bill was introduced
devoted my attention to the subj. ct, and having mad,
many motions between the years 1821 and 1831, having
bad a great stare in fiamiug the Reform Bill, I
am perfectly satisfied with the general working
of that Bill. I do not see that it has
produced any of the cons, quecces of overturning the
Coeseitution which were prophesied of it. But in re-
spect, however, of any fu urn measure which may be
introduced upon the subject, I think you must proceed
with On-, greater caution. I think the general disposition
of the Re'orm Parliam,ot has produced a fair re-presen-
tAon of the inteliigeuce, th© wisher, arid the indusir)
of the people. I should dread any change which might
be introduced io the repri.s,utatiou which deprived
the House of Cpm.ons of that c aitervalive element
which ou:htto belong to it. I cannot conceive that a
House of Commons merely representing numbers would
act in harmony with a montirchy, an hereditary
House of Pere, and an EstablishcA Church. I
think it ought to be the object of any
one who :approaches this subject not to create a
[louse of Commons, which should he a separate
power, but it should be his objt ct to do as we
did in 1831, to endeavour to give to the people
a greattr interest in their institutions, and at the
same time to 'improve the general representation
These are the views that I venture to being
before the House upon these they topi, s. It
is at the pre4eht time a matter of doubt into
whose hands the Government of the country
may ba committed, but I feel that on greater subjects,
like those I havereferred of Perliametoary interference,
it is not for Minieters alone to look to the eolution of such
great questions.—(Hear, hear.) They interest u. and our
and own posterity—(Hear, hear.) Str I have consi-
dered, in tbe eouree of my PailLementary cenduet,
whether on the day I was proposing refoim
to a small minority, and amidst the apathy
l.f the country, or whether I was proposimg
a Bill that watt receiving the enthusiasm of the
nation. I felt that my great comfort was that I was
acting with them on whom I had the tgreritest
confidence, and on whose judgment I could rely-
-(Hear, hear)—end on whose integrity I could place
the greiteet feitb.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord
having alluded to the sentiments of Burke, and
the men with whoitehe had acted tor eleven year', said—
( have acted for far nao, e than eleven years with
such men as ReMilly, Mackintosh, and Horner, with
Lord Grey and Lard Althorpe, and with such men it
has been my pride to act. I will not speak of the living,
but I will say this, that as long as I ton a public man
I will act with Ouse men and consort with such men as
adopt my public views —( Hear, hear.) Seme men may
think that our standard of public virtue is
higher than in, the times of Burke, others
may think it lower, but as long as I take part in public
affairs I shall ever; follow the example of' such public
men as I think may best guide my publio life.—(The
Noble Lord sat down amid much cheering.)

neat; but for many years he had lived in the closest
irit macy wilt, the N ble Lord, and in the enjoyment, he
might say, of the ties 01 attention.—(Hear, iwar.) He
must se) that, fir his own put, ee was re wry. to express
the :same f-eling, and he trusted he might be allow -0, 0, in
speaking of the Noble Lord, once more to resume the
expression which he had se often used in that
Reuse, and term him his Noble Friend.—(Loud and re-
peated cheers from both sides of the House) With re-
spect to wrist might happen to fall on that occasion he
did not wish to say anything that might bring on a
hostile discussion.—(Hear, hear.) Under the present
circumstances such a proceeding would, in his opinion,
be both unseemly and mischievous. There were, how-
ever, three points to which he desired to direct the
attention of the House, for when the history of
the last thirty years came to be written, it would be
found that that epoch was marked by three great ques-
tion*. The first of these was the repeal t f the Tee, and
Corporation Acts, and the emancipation of the Reiman
Catholics; the second was the passing the Reform
Act, by which a great and extensive alteration
was made in the franchise ; and the third
was the establishment of the larger and more
lineral commercial policy which for the rake
of brevity,wes celled free trade.—(Land cries of `. Hear,
hear," arid cheers.) The first question was that of
free trade. On that matter beeeteen him and his Noble
Friend thre was a perfect accerd.—(Hear. hear.) The
lie) or to e trade nad b, en dr wised to his Nob e Preen I
oy the ha o Sir Robert Peel, ;aid n Lly and well het the
p ceent Governineet c,rereci out the pi nrciple which Sir
ttul:ert Peel had meulds d f heir heeds With iespr et
re the ext-ersion of the sulfrege, he had to observe, th et
he believed that he and his Noble Friend were the only
survivers of the Gevernarent or Lord Grey by whew
,t eteesien of stiff-ace was plann.d.—(Hear, ler, are
and cheer=.) He wets r. udy to a twit thet so gr. at hr: el
o e ii the iefeeron of the democratic pre by the lt,
'orm Bill, 'hat up to the present timer he had been teerful
1 the addition of any new power from that quarter.
de was new of a diffe cut opinion, and was quite pre-
;eared to grant an eX0.11,1011 of the franceise. The third
point reep cted what had had been called the late Papal
•ggression. On this point he feared that he arid his
Noels- Friend could n ver agree, —( Loud cries of /leer.")
tie recommended his Noble Friend not to think of intro-
lucieg such a nar asur ; it would Out only be inoperative,
out it would pre° featly undo the policy which the coun-
t try had been pursuing fur the last thirty years.—
, (Cries of " Hear, hear.") The opinion which
he had formed with respect to the existing Bill
was arrived at after lot g and &liberate consideration,
end to his great joy arid eurpriee he afterwards found
het the opinion and views of Lerd Aberdeen on
his subject coincided with his own. —(Heir,
esr.) Uur il he came to London on the
first day of the session he had not seen or
neatel from the Neble Lord, but being upon terms of
eersonel friendship with the Noble Lord he sought his
advice on that day, and be discovered that the Noble
Lord had already arrived at his own couclusion. He need
itirdly say, after this, that the great obstacle which
stood in the way of a junction thaws ea himself, Lord
Aberdeen, and the Noble Lord opposite, was this very
Bill. The Noble Lord opposite thought the wishes and
interests of the country demtuded a Bill of this nature,
but neither he nor Lord Aberdeen took a similar
view of affairs, and although he and Lord Aber-
deen entertained contrary opinions to the Nehe
Lord opposite on other 'subjects, this was the cardinal
p tint upon which they differed.—(Cheers.) He hoped the
House would do him the credit to believe that his ob-
jection to this Bill was not of recent origin, for so far
bsck as November it did so happen that he wrote letters
to many of his friends, statieg that he thought the
assumptions of the Pope and Dr. Wiseman were
impudent and presumptuous, but he should deprecate
any legislative interference on the subject.—(Cheers.)
Not that he blamed the Noble Lord opposite tor the
letter which le wrote some time ago, for the
Noble Lord at that period 'must have been
placed in a very chffieult position; indeed, the
eduntty having just been aroused by the language of Drs
Wiseman and other representatives oF the Pope, the
Noble Lord's presiiion demanded that he should at once
offer some remonstrance to the proceedings of tau Papa
power.—(Hear, hear.) Much of that angry feeling and
excitement, however, had now passed away, and without
desiring to say anything calculated to provoke discussion
he was constrained to add this, that if Honourable
Members would leek carefully into this much- vexed
question, they would see that there was no necessity
fir returning to tho days of bills of pains and penalties,
in matters of religious opinion and sectarian belief.
He might have added in this letter that he was the
author ef the Bequests Act, brought forward by Sir R.
Peel's Government. The letter concluded by his ex-
pressing his displeasure at the audacity of the
Pope ; but still that displeasure did trot lead him to
inter fere with the religious liberties of the seven millions
of his fellow-subjects, and by reserving to birns.elf the more
full enunciation of his opinions in his place in Parliament.
With these opinions on record, he could not consent to be
a party to the further progress of this Bill, or form
part of an Administration which had this measure of
legislation for one of its chief cries. He knew the
ground on which he steed. and though it was an unix).-
puler one he was quire ready to stand by it; and
when the time came for the second reading
of the Bill he should be quite reedy to express his opi-
nions on the measure at greater length.

ell.. HUME expressed his satisfaction at the expla-
nation or the Right Honourable Gentle man. He was
convinced that it they valued the peace of Ireland
they must give way on this important question. But
still he was sorry to find that all the obstacles which
hart so lung prevented the formation of a Government
tied we-rem...et themselves to this basis, and he was sure
that the people of England would ask with surprise
' why the real point, that of the financial proposal of the
Government, had never once been brought into question.
He would go further and say that no Government
coon hope to cowinue in power for the future
which did not at-nous:co its intention of extending the
'rancliise, and which woull not express its firm
intention to maintain the free-trade policy.
The country did not care about this Catholic dispute;
fled he deplored that England had ben forced, like
country
ugrel
ttryll:n 'hna. t Gentlet
heapgyHar
ahed,f er, fair
n' we
1
France, to remain so long without a Government.—
(Cuits of " Hear, hear.") He therefore blamed the
Noble Lord for having resigned on so pal'ry
a green(' on principle, and called upon him
to throw the Papal aggri ssion overboard, and turn his
attention to Parliamsntary and financial re'orme
Sir. R. H. INGLIS did not wish to prolong this dis-
cussion, because there was only a formal tech-
nical motion in the hands of the Speaker,
but he could not allow the advice of the
Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Ripon about the
Papal aggression te pass unnoticed.—(Hear, hear.)
The events of the past few months, and the recent divi-
sion in that House, afforded tolerably con-
clusive evidence that no Administration could
live who wished to allow the Papal aggres-
sion to pass unnoticed.—(Elear, hear.) that
aggression was worse than anything that bad ever been
attempted in the worst days of Innocent 1., or Gregory
VII., and he was certain the sentence in the Noble
Lord's manifesto which would be hailed with most de-
light by the country was that which declared that his
opinion on the subject was unchanged.—(Hear )
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL said the agitation on the
Papal affair out of doors was got up by interested
parties by those, in fact, who had the
control of the revenues of the Established Church,
and who were alarmed for fear those revenues
should be snatched from them.—(Elear, hear.) The
Noble Lord, in the course of his speech, made some al-
lusion to the periods when he had not shrunk from diffi-
culties, ani enumerated the Irish famine and the state
of Ireland in 1818.--(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Now,
with re"a"d to the first of these, the Noble Lord showed
himself to the occasion, and thousands upon
thousands died of starvation in consequence; while, with
regard to the last, he denied the imputation of the
Noble Lord, that a portion of the people of Ireland had
meditated a rebellion.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. B. OSBORNE doubted much, whether it was
the result ef the motion of the Hon. Member for Buck-
inghamshire, or ibat of the Hon. Member for East Kent,
that drove the Noble Lord from office.—(Hear, hear.)
He, for one, thought, and he believed the great mass of the
people agreed with him, that the Noble Lord's downfall
was attributable to the financial imbecility of some of
his colleagues, and the sooner'therefore the Noble Lord
separated himself from them the mots it would re-
deuud to his credit, and the more woulditdyredtoct
oa rkraeidtebpdde
for the advantage of the country.—(Hear, hear,)
He would defy any statesman, be who it might, to carry
out the Bill in Irettilha:neenydd,imnaetunhosmdatte.bhmeeixf,pwretoaphunaeld tell the
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wake still wider the breach between the two great divi-
sions Colonel SIBTHORP thought that the Noble Lord
represented a large sheet of sticking plaster, and had
got so many people sticking to him that he could not
separate them from him. He agreed with what the
Hein. Member for Middlesex had said, that there was
considerable excitement wing on in the country, and for
his own part he would continue to excite as lone, as he
could, and as far as he could, censtitutionully and re gaily.
Mr. P. HOWARD said that the Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Newdegate) had said that the county which be re-
presented was unanimous on the question of the Papal
aggression, and loudly condemned it; and yet at a great
meeting at Birmingham those who were pre sent came
to a dead heat.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)—He was
particularly grateful to the Right Hon. Baronet the
Member for Ripon for the observations which he had
made respecting the case of the Roman Ca-
tholics. He was quite convinced that no Mi-
nistry could ever proceed prosperously without
avoiding the craven peeicy ef persecuting his co-re ligt-
mists. Equally was he convinced of the necessity of
adh-ring to the gre at principle' of free-trade.—(Hoer,
hear ) No great commercial principles could by
adopted for the benefit of the country unless
the pc hey of free -trade, which was now ifientifiA
with our mercantile arrangements was strictly followed
out. With respect to the franchise and the exa-risien of
the suffrage, to which rel'eret ce had so frequently been
made, he could not- do otherwise than express his
cori victim' that the allowing their fellow subjects the
101. holders of property in the country would be
of no evil effect.—(Hear, hear.) He was an 11490
EnbGn eoa'owtl Government
cate for civil as well as for religious liberty, and
both he believed would be advanced by the paeliDg of

Mr. DISRAELLwished to correct some of the mis-
takes into which .the Noble Lord appeared to him
to have fallen. It was the opinion of Lord Stanley,
and certainly cif', all parties, that no reference
would be made to what had occurred, and that the No-
ble Lord opposite would not have considered It necessary
under the circumstances to have made the alithions he
did.- (Rear.) lie, however, was authorised by Lord
Stanley to state that if it was said he was
not prepared to form an Administration, that
such really was not the case. lie had stated the
effect of that to the Noble Lord, he perhaps might
have made that statement to the Noble Lord in phraee-
ology less appiopriate than might have been adopted—
(Hear, hear)—but having reason to believe that the
Noble Lord seas then possession of Lord Stanley's
le ter he thought it better not to let that opportunity
sills to state what really was the fact.—(Cries of
-Hear, heat.") lie never tor our motneut meant
to state anything that was to be ciusidened peremptory.
After making this statement it siouid be unnecessary
for him to make any further remark upon the c"ur,e
4dop:el by Lard Stanley, as he believed that Nook:
Lure was noiv in anther place tusking his statement
of what had really occurred; aid he believed that
aler that etatetnent Lord Stanley would stand
tar higher in the estimation of the country than he had
done b,hire. The Hon. Gentleman eat down amidst
loud cries for Sir J. Graham.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM, who evidently had not
anticipated bring so specially culled up m, said that he
would not have intruded upon the House had he
not been so peremptorily called upon.—(dear.) Same
s
explanation would doubtless be expected from him, and
he would endeavour to make it as succinctly as he could.
H.er Majesty had been most graciously pleased, on
Saturday
and himsef, and at an eudienee with which
they
were
to :oentici i.')r Friend L :rd Aberdeen
u re d ty informed them that
Lord Stanhy had stated to her Majesty that he
was not prepared to I:rm a Government, and that
she had empowered Lord J hu RuAtsell to re-
construct; a Government. ---e(Hear, hear.) Her
Majesty expressed her greatest anxie y to his Nob:e
Friend and, himself that they would do all in
their power to assist him in that undertaking.
With that requisition Lord Aberdeen could not possibly
comply. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) As one
who desired to serve her Majesty, arid as a faithful
servant of a Sovereign whose continual thought
and greatest wish was for the happiness of her people—
(Cheers)—he would truly say that ha was
a.uxious once more to join the Noble Lord
in the formation of a Government.—(Hear, hear.)
The Noble Lord in the course of hIA statement
had said that he and himself (Sir James Graham)
bad long held public office togs ther, and that he had
always regretted the disselution of that connexion by
which they had been bound together.—(Star, hear.)
The Noble Lord had overvalued that coi,nexion iu his
(Sir J. Graham's) estima ion. Sometimes be had been
associated with, and other times he had been opposed to
the Neibe Lard in the conduct of the national affairs.
Sometimes be had been the Noble Lord's willing fol-
lower in that House, and at others his strenneue oppo.

the measures for the promotion of both the'e objects.
Hecoull n t elude without thAnking the House fur
he atteuti wi h woich he hat b-eu

Mr. SPOONER said there wea a decided mjerity in
favour of Protestantism in Birmiugham, and ha! no
doubt it tyst+ the samo in most of the other parts of the
country.—(Hear, hear.) Ho was exceedingly happy to
hear that the Noble Lord had not (mange(' his
opinion on this subject; but ho mgt.: tied to hear
that the NoWe Lord contemplated a modification of his
Bill; for a very pretty opinion prevailed out of doors
that the Bill did not go far enough.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. WYLD thought a very important topic had been
lost sight of iii the course of this discuasion ; for
the suejvct of texation had not even been mooted.—
(Hear, hear.) The vast majority of the people were
highly dissatisfied with the present system of taxation,
and tee country would not be content until that system
was reformed.—(flear. hear.)
Mr. WAKLEY had iistened attentively to the speech
of the Noble Lerd, but he was at a loss to uederstend
tem. His speech had bewildered him very much, but
as tar as he could make it out he was induced to urider-
stand that the Queen was at present without a Ministry.
Why had nothing been said ab&;sit the Budget? Why
had they heard of matting about Parliamentary Reform?
Simply, he felt. fecause the old Whigs, who had
abmtdemd the principles of the Reform Bill, were
aexious to join with the 'fury end of the
eld tory parry, end rule the Palace atter the old fashion.
(Hear, hear.) No such a Govern:nen', how: vet, w,
too", riti,li-1,C,• or the people —(1-leae re.ar.) Tee)
would only be ,atisfidl with a Ministry who wee'," go
to the fullest exit it is, carlyine e P-eliareeniery and
floancial reottra, and he therefore told the
Neble Letal that it weuld be c: is as an in-iult to
the notion if he excluded the Hen. Member for Mont-
rest! (Mr. Huse) foe. hi, Cerattea.—(L eeg- r.)
Mr. HUME —Oh dear, ue; pray dou'e—(Reueeed
Cr.)lauuh
Mr. W AKLEY said his Hon. Friend was by far too
diffident. His modesty was proverbial ; but still
if any teas had a right to office it was his Honourable
Fried, for no ether _Member had done so mush for the
country or saved it so much money, and he therefore
called upon the Noble Lord t, tetneenber this fact when
he came to re-construct his Governtueue—(Hear.)
A few nights ego a motion was made in the House fur
the relief of the owners and occupiers of land, and feeling
that it was (acetic to mystify the country, he had given a
hearty vote against the motion. The state doctors on
the other side of the House then described the patient
as in a terrible state, but refused to prescribe for the
patient themselves, but handed him over to the very
doctors whom they had stated had formerly poisoned
him. Well, then, when the Protectionist party had the
chance of comieginto power they fe:d refused to do so, and
he was sure bust no Government would take power which
would not go in with a determination to govern the
country on Liberal principb-s,— (Hear, hear.)
He cemplaieed that no mention had been made
of the Budget, and he hoped the Chancellor of the
Exeht quer would take an early opportunity of
stating what he intended to do on that point.
Lord J. RUSSELL explained that there was no ad-
minatration now existing, and that, therefore, he could
not state the intention of the Government with regard
to matters of fissure.

Atter a few words from Mr. SCEIOLEFIELD,
Mr. Alderman SIDNEY only wished to say a very
few words.—(Cries of "Hear, hear.") He, in
common with other Members who had taken a part in
the debate felt great anxiety respecting the c,urse
which was likFly to be pursued by the new
allininistration.—(Hear, hear.) He would only beg to
observe that whatever had been the agitation
respecting the Papal Aggression there would be
an equal agitation respecting the income-tax. He was
quite assured that no Ministry could possibly exist
for an) length of time unless that most iniquitous and
injurious tax should be much more righteously
adjusted than it is at present. Another sub-
ject which they had to consider was the
P-tpal Aggression Bill. Th;A people of England
would not totem.° anything like foreign interference in
this country. The expenses of the country must be
reduced.

Aftt r a few words from Mr. SLANEY, the House al-
journed at ElAht o'clock till Monday.

THE LONDON GAZETTE,

(THIS EVENING.)

ST. JAMES'S PALACE, FEB 25, 1851.

The Queen has been pleased, on the nomination ti
Lord Foley, to appoint the mad,r-mentioned gentlemen
to h,r esty's Honourable Corps of Gen.leman at
Arm, : —Adolphus George Finch Cotton, Esq., vice Lane,
retired; Charles Jamea Cox, Esq., vice Ewart, Esq.,
retired.