The Sun.
London, England, 1833-11-07 00:00:00

PIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. I said that the Irish farmer is a nonentity —that for using, when speaking of the Irish, the terms, which the Minister has raised by horse and foot, 'accompanied by Mr. Wobble, a solicitor, of Wel- him 2—Mr. Walden, landlord of the King
that on
the landlord regularly cleans him out, and that " the vermin who infest this country." The by carabine and cannon, in the winter, some will brook,, and several other gentlemen, came to the Head, Abbey-street, Bermondsey, stated
ed ps,
--......---. office to make an application to Mr. WHITE. Saturday evening last the defendant, accoml"
ready subser-
language is harsh and grating, but it expresses smile in scorn at the blind and .
An important return, as it affects the pockets rise or fall of rent means merely rise or fall of Mr. Clarkson said that he was instructed to make by three othercalled his h se When
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persons, at ou 9
correctly the feeling of the working classes ;
of almost every man in England, has been prices, as the whole produce, minus the pots- correctly
with indignation°weak an application in the case of James Reeves, who the former inquired for two public-houses •r!,„eft, Zi
Nobody
printed by order of the House of Commons. toes, regularly goes to the landlord. . ,
whatever may be thought by the higher classes, turn from the and had been convicted for selling a publication called neighbourhood, and afterwards informed sch- • 4
h was It,
the estrangement of the lower, caused in a great wanton ostentation of the executive power.— the Police Gazette. that he had a billet upon him, adding that if be ts
It is a " Return of County Rates in England takes Polish or Russian serfs into considerationceeP 'la
measure by the belief that they are sacrificed to Morning Post. Mr. WHITE inquired who was the proprietor of " paid out," meaning that money was more a eel 'tor
and Wales"—not, of course, comprehending when speaking of Polish or Russian agriculture, Ireland, . • • the Police Gazette? Mr. Clarkson sai d (as we un- able than sending recruits there, he should can I, '
is a fearful consideration. Under all Sc
poor-rates, but that whole mass of local burdens because, though rhey have a better living than • . S h POLICE INTELLIGENCE. derstood) Mr. Penny. He was instructed in- the billet.
circumstances, we think Mr. Poulett crope as fleet. Por
imposed separately upon each county, by its own the Irish serf, they still only have a living, ' John's V
quire whether the Magistrate had convicted him for Another publican gave evidence to the same eenrily
d d rhen ere an essential service to his country. Till MANSION-HOUSE. selling the Police Gazette, or whether it was because Mr. TRAILL said that it. had not been satisfaew s
especial authorities, in the same manner as the What the Standard says about Irish rents being, fren
Several boys having been brought before. the
Irish counties have been scourged by their re- enlisted
in
te selfishness of the_ landowners is •
he had some unstamped almanacks in his bag along proved that the defendant had not the comPi! as ,7th
with the Gazettes.
higher or lower, may, therefore, be safely passed
the cause of the people, it will be. i
incu to put LORD MAYOR, some of whom were found in the of recruits for whom he applied for billets. Alt,."°-b`sd I •-•
spective squiredoms twice a- ear in the grand over. But he save, " The short answer to Mr.lreland. •
streets by the police, utterly destitute, but not coin- Mr. WHITE said that before he answered an it was stated by the billetti constable that he by ,i
jury-room assembled. On looking over a few an end to. the dreadful. state of things
Scrope's complaint of the advantages enjoyed mitting any offence, his Lordship told the parish questions he should wish to know the object ofthe followedthe and him Mine
pages of this return, which contains the years by Irish agriculture is, that in Dublin prices —Morning Chronicle.
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officers present that he had received a letter from in
three men instead of thirty, yet that did 0 „st, ij.ti
from 1821 to 1832 inclusive, we have been An evening contemporary attempts to cavil the Committee of Management of the Society for
are as high, deducting freight and commission, Mr. Clarkson said that he was prepared to prove the assertion on the part of the sergejo, ,L'
struck, not so much hy any general increase of' the Suppression of Juvenile Vagrancy, which was
as they are at Mark-lane. The reason of this at the conclusion which we yesterday drew from
contend that the Police Gazette was not Pa
news- that the men might have left that particular par Fie 4
deserving of the attention of all parishes. The too' ,' fa
the rates, as by the disproportionate progress in fact will at once expose the fallacy of his whole the increase in the sums annually expended for paper, nor could not be considered so under the and went and lodged in other parts of the cilia Q
all those particulars which indicate the amount theory. In the present state of supply and the relief of the poor, and from the increase in letter was as follows: Act of Parliament of the 16th of Geo. 11., c.. 56, With respect to the conduct of the sergeant ‘A, the his
of crime throughout the country, and of mal- consumption its this country, the ability of the number of criminals committed for trial. "My Lord—The Committee of Management of the and :
it was the intention of the proprietors of the occasion, care would be taken to represent it at '!)
Society for the Suppression of Juvenile Vagrancy observe
administration of the public property, as coin- the purchaser, and nothing connected with We argued that these two facts, taken conjointly,
with regret numerous instances of poor boys ill-treated by .
Police Gazette to remove the case, by certiorari, proper quarter, where it would, no doubt, Ml" l,
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pared with those which concern merely the the cost of production, is, in fact, the afford irresistible proof of the increasing poverty
their parents and sent to the workhouse, and others who into the Court of King's Bench, and try the case, investigation before those under whose corttr°'
demands of convenience and accommodation. measure of price. Farmers sell at a loss, be- of the great mass of the people. It is well are sent to the House of Correction for keeping in the to see whether it could be brought under the deno- was placed.
In by far the majority of the English and Welch cause the purchaser is not able to pay a remu- known that within the last few years the funds
open air as vagrants. lam desired to acquaint you that
mination of a newspaper.
THE MARKETS.
provided for the relief of helpless want have
Ship,henever such or similar cases come before your Lord- Mr. WHITE said that he must decline answering
counties the charges for " prisoners" and " pro- nerating price •; and the purchaser is not able to see
if the parish to whom the child belongs willan questions until the conviction had been returned J.
COAL MARKET.—Nov. 6. 0.
secutions" have swelled enormously, and in a pay a remunerating price chiefly because of the been dealt out with a stern and rigorous parsi- 101., this charity • into • pay Y q •
will take them its asylum, and pro- to the sessions. Per Tort, s. d. Per Ton. 19
more especial manner within the last six years, free trade system. Looking to permanent re-for them by apprenticeship in the colonies, should M Clarkson 1 •
r. said they lead no hostile feeling Adair's .......................... 16 6 Walls End Killingworth ig 00 .t
mony, almost amounting to a denial of assistance vide
of the most Beaumont l5 6 Walls End Newmarcn., ig 6
while those for " bridges and repairs" have ex- sults, it is extremely doubtful, as we have shown, in every case which was not one the party appear to your Lordship a proper object and whatever; his only object in making the application, Charlotte
hibited a more frequent reduction, or have in whether the total exclusion of Irish produce extreme and urgent necessity. Yet, notwith- come within our rules.—l have the honour to be, &c. was to know whether the man was convicted for Chester Main l5 0 Walls End Perkins & C°' 19 5 '',ltai
&e. &e " HENRY AMSINCK, Sec., pro tern."15 0 Walls End Riddell's ....." b it
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Primrose ........... . 1 5 40
most instances (though of course not in all) would, in any respect, benefit the English standing the augmented difficulties objected to
_sr.,
es . Booker, one of the parish-officers of Bishops- unstamped
selling the Police Gazette, or for having Ellison Low Main —,. 14 9 Bells Primr05e........---' 19 5 j,, C
remained stationary. Although the cost of farmer, so long as he is disproportionately bur- the applicants for parochial relief, there has been
gate, pans a oun
had
poor unproteced publications rt bd. • h in his possession, as he saw it stated tEit„Puer rnc3e' lain IL' ICl'lbstnnnrrian,lzl;.,% 6 17°1
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ldren, stated that he had made inquiries into the in some of the newspapers that evidence was given Holywell _ _
transporting vagrants, whether Irish, Scotch, or dined at home, and so long as the unnatural an increase of one since
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character of the charity alluded to, and found that to that effect. Ord's Redhugh ................. 15 6 Walls End Lyons....--'* 91 6 °l lb
English, cannot be said, upon the face of these state of our monetary system depresses all classes 1826, in the sums annually expended for this Shipcote l4 6 Walls End Lambton —.7,0 , 1,
it was unexceptionable. The authorities were, he Zlir.Wcilsrrke again telined ansvvering the question. I:anfield—.... l3 OW. E. Russell's Hettorl 15 6 tl
returns, to present any striking growth, the cost but the capitalist to a state of extreme poverty. object. Our contemporary says that " the He-
rad is careful not to tell us whether the sum believed, therefore, ready to give 100/. with ten that the Bench would at 1 ownley l5 3 Ditto Russell's Lyon's,.." ,00 6 k ' 4,0
of apprehending and conveying "prisoners," At all events, we think we have said enough to once *see whatson thes object of his application was. 'rylatmHartley l7 0 Walls End Stewart's..., if/ 6 flt,
17 0 Dixon's Butterknowl,, 19 '
it mentions includes the whole sum levied as poor boys who were destitute, but most willing to
and of prosecuting for offences, whether at demonstrate that there is no permanent oppo- His clients only wanted to raise the question, lie- Walls End Bell & Brown 18 9 Walls End Adelaide ~..", 19 1 I,';'/ vi'
assizes or sessions, has undergone, so far as we sition of interest between the British and the poor rates, or only the sums actually expended work, and anxious to go to the colonies, in the hope ther the publication was or was not newspaper. ',,z-rasiststiEenuc Lewiscoir:zBB: gaol
19 ?, zvtissEEnnedkueroKnow'ig 0 h• I',
have yet observed, a uniform and most appalling Irish agriculturist ;and we must strongly protest to relieve the poor. The Herald despises equi-
• of bein able to maintain themselves decent]
ThegLORD MAYOR said he had' every reasonr. to Mr. WHITE said that he considered the question li ci n— 19 9 uls
Walls End 81ake.......... 17 3 W. E South Durham,' is , TI
Walls End 8r0wn'5.....—... 17 0 'Walls End Tees —..—.0. 16 5 i
increase—doubled, trebled nay, in some against reasoning upon the hypothesis that such vocations such as that imputed too much to deal . '
. believe that poor boys would be much benefitted put to him as improper, and he should reserve what Walls End Carr and Co. 17 6 Cowpen ....................... a. A
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cases, quadrupled, or more, within the short permanent opposition of interests can exist •; in them. It is difficult to conceive how this
by such emigration,d an that he would recommend he had to say until the case came before the Court UT,l"""°. 17 ° Hartley ....»..............-3, pia L.
osforth ...... 19 6 Howard's Netherton a 3
Period of these 11 years. Making allowance first, as tending to engage the English agricul- almost wilful misunderstanding of our expressions it •
to the various parishes for immediate adoption.
A young man named Conolly was charged with of King's Bench. Walls End Heaton.—..—.. 19 0 New Flockton Milnet 0 " 't,
Walls End Hilda.—...-- 17 6 and C 0........„:..........«, pry
Clarkson said that all he knew of what had
for even a more corrupt or careless misapplies- wrists in support of the treasonable scheme of could have been occasioned, except by the Walls End Hotspur.-- 18 0 :1 f
consciousness of a disposition to resort to having robbed an old gentleman named Hartshorn transpired Mr. at the office was from the public press. Ships arrived since last market-day, 156. Yat
Lion of the public money, as the sums to be separation ; next, as diverting the attention of —..,.. 0,
He then commented at great length on the Act of Wi7 4 ,
distributed have been progressively augmented, British farmers from the safe and sound remedy
rot- The complainant stated that, as he was
similar subterfuges for the purpose of strength- of his watch and seals. , Parliament under which the conviction took place, COUNTRY CORN MARKETS DURING THE
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and thereby the temptation heightened, this vast for their distress—a more equal distribution of ening a weak argument or holstering up a walking and said that a defendant had no appeal. The in-
enlargement of the fund levied in aid of the their home burdens, the protection of the agri- ten cause. We spoke of the " sums annually few nights a o near Cripple
a sudden] g eate Church, a man retests of his clients were at stake, who had em- Per Quarter. s. to s. ..s. to s. Lto 8. 0. iilt 11
purposes of criminal justice speaks volumes as culture of these islands from foreign conipeti- expended for the relief of' the poor," and the stoodt toutofythbeefore him. Witness told the man barked their property in the concern, and he wished
Andoverb i o n............. v, git
,ti 433 22 30 32. '4l, i... 0..!
to the march of transgression. In Middlesex tion, and an emancipation of the credit and account we quoted was headed " Amount ex- don-wall.
1 syay, and proceeded towards Lon-
mmediately afterwards he found that he to know whether the bench would allow his clients Birmingham...—. 56 58 30 40 16 22 •"" AO 1
Bridport ........—. 56 74 32 36 26 30 """ 7,,
the charge for conveying convicts to the place of industry of the country from the tyranny Itended for the Relief of the Poor." These was surrounded by several men, one of whom to have a copy of the depositions ? Cirencester --.... 46 56 25 30 20 23
embarkation was, in 1822, 1,179/. In 1832, of the money lender class by a repeal Of were our words, and we do not see how their snatched his watch with such force li.
from
is fob as Mr. WHITE said he must decline complying with sannedon— 54 86 36 40 26 31 -"• ;) 1
Guildford --.... 48 74 23 32 26 35 -*** ,„• v,
his request.
it was 2,206/. In the same county the whole the Bill of 1819. Let them follow such very obvious meaning could be mistaken. But actually to turn him completely round. The thief Mr. c kHenley 54 83 30 35 20 30 •••• " vr
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expenses of the House of Correction, Cold- leaders as Lord Chandos, and they will go it is said that the increase in the sums expended ran off as fast as he could, and witnese, though old, .Clarkson gain renewedsee his request, and EsiZftvoordru—) 64
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pointedout the hardship t his clients; nts ; the property Maidenhead .. 56 68 34 44 22 30 .1"' ", VI g
bath-fields, was, in 1822, 16,0741. ; in 1832, right ; by pursuing the advice of Mr. Poulett
for the relief of the poor is not conclusive proof followed speedily, crying out, " Stop thief." The was of great consequence to them. Monmouth .. 66 68 32 36 24 28 --" , p`nr,, :
25,2571. In 1822 the costs of prosecution at Scrope they may, if they succeed, perhaps of the increase in the distress of the people, prisoner was the person who committed the Mr. WHITE recommended the parties to pl to Reading ............ 40 66 22 36 14 26 Z t;',Pii 1
the Old Bailey were 6,7701.; in 1832, 8,245/, obtain the exclusion of Irish produce, for a few because it may be occasioned ,by parochial robbery. Witness never lost sight of him from the the Attorney-General for his opinion on the subject. Vlualry,,,—,-= tt gz, 26 V2O g:1 -- 0 !4,,
, 0 ~,t,
So the interest of the county debt has grown weeks, at the expense of being overwhelmed by
jobbing. So far as there has been any difference moment the
snatch was made and the prisoner was
stopped in his flight. Mr. Clarkson said that he would .much rather Stroud
"Fewkesbury ........ 65 74 30 42 30 38 •"" ' poett",
up, since 1822, from 2,416/. to 11,3661. in the the produce of all the rest of the world for ever." at all in this charge upon the annual expenditure The prisoner said he was not the thief and that have his (Mr. White's) opinion, as the Attorney- uxbridge ............. 48 74 26 34 20 26 ;7, $ 'itt,t. \N
last year. In fine, the sum total of county rates, Now, with all submission to our contemporary, of parishes, there cannot be a doubt that it has lie ran slowly, as he was accustomed to do in the
, General would not give art opinion against the in- Wastage
esTe7— 5473 g1:9) 27, 32 17 N ~, 0, ;!4,4,,
which was 39,8931. in 1822, was, in 1832, this short answer is no answer at all. If the been greatly diminished since the year 1826, by streets in conformity with his character
as a bearer retests of the Crown. Windsor
Worcester—. 50 57 30 32 24 32 -j/ Z)ri.'
Some further discussion k 1 too p ace, which was
77,772/., of which increase the greater portion, trade were as free between Poland and Belgium the exertions which have been applied to the of messages. LEWES MARKET.—Nov. 5. 0 A.N
only a reiteration of the above. White Wheat (per quarter).....—..X2 13 0 to £2
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IS 0 Otge
viz., about 20,000/. of annual charge, has and England as between Ireland and England, correction of this evil by the press, and by Mr. Hartshorn said the crowd of fellows who
Mr. WHITE then rose from the bench, and had Red ditto 2lO 0 Is 0
individuals, and in which exertions we have formed the gang, to which, no doubt, the prisoner be- Barley-- —...—.... 112 0 1 0 4kt,l
sprung up since the commencement of the year the prices at Dantzic and Antwerp would differ some conversation with Mr. Clarkson and the other Oats, New _olB 0 0
1830. In Nottinghamshire the increase has from the prices at Mark-lane only by the freight assuredly borne our part. So far, therefore, longed, called out to witness as he pursued that the parties in a very low tone of voice. We understand Pease 0
--,.. 119 0 ~.......:,;i4 1,
been from 7,600/. to 12,500/. ;in Gloucester and commission added to the latter. The mea- as this point enters at all into the matter, it prisoner wa, running in a different direction. The that a document was shown him from the Stamp- O
Oil Cake, New l2 0 0 per thou li,i
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watch had not been found. ELT.E.I,:jILA.D.iId.M A RICET.e—,
1b..T0 v. 5. d. to 1 ~,
from 15,000/. to 20,000/. ; Essex, from 9,0001. sure of price would not be the cost of produc- must clearly be admitted that the proportion
The ' *
risoner—The gentleman said in the watch- office, whereby it appeared that the Gazette paid Per Bushel,61 1 Olt
to 13,000/. ; Dorset, from 6,000/. to 11,000/ ; tion in Belgium and Poland, but the proportion of the money stated to be expended in the house thatP he did not see my face, and how can he the regular duty for all advertisements, and was by Wheat
Barley 6 0 6 9 Beef
3 0 4 0 Mutton
0 1 oy,. 't
Derby, from .5,000/. to 16,000/. ; Bucking- between the supply and demand at Maik-lane. relief of the poor in 1826, which was ac- swear lam the thief? that office designated a pamphlet. Oats 2 6 3 3 Veal
hamshire, from 9,000/. to 15,000/. ; York, As long, however, as the cost of production tually wasted in mismanagement, and di- Mr. Hartshorn—l admit that I didn't see your In answer to Mr. Clarkson, Mr, WHITE declined
saying whether, if that document had been pro- Beans
Pease 4 6 5 3 Pork ... ........... ........ 0 ,`til, '
5 0 7 0 Lamb q 11
Hay 3l. 103 to 3/. 15s. Od. per Um' ...o'' 'Cititii.
West Riding, from 39,000/. to 49,000/. But should continue lower in Belgium and Poland vested from the proper objects of its appli- face, but I never lost sight of your back. , N.,„,,,
doted when the case was brought before him, he DUMFRIES MARKETS.—Oct. 30,
0. (1, q;''Y
everywhere with, we believe, the single exception than in England, Belgium and Poland would cation, must have been much greater in The prisoner was fully committed for trial. would have convicted or not. s. d. s.d. 0 13") at'4l
of Devon (where, as in a few other counties, supply the English market to the extent of what 1826 than in 1832, and therefore the actual MARY LER ONE. Mr. Clarkson thanked the Magistrate for the at- Wheat,l Imp. Bush... 6 0 tO7 6 Butter,
. 160 z.... ........... 0 0 0 tl tit
there has been a diminution of the county rate), exceeded their home consumption ; and the effect increase in the sums actually expended has Yesterday Mr. Joseph Cowderoy, an extensive tention with which he had hear il him. The object Oatsarey.
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the same lamentable feature is discovered—viz., of this supply would be to lower prices in End- liver -stable kee er an
been in reality greater than the apparent increase. Y P , d landlord of the Portland of his application must be obvious to every person ; rzturnrali4lb.
1 6 1 91Veal .....................•0.. ',.,' 0 ..4h ti.
But the conclusive objection made to our de- Arms, in Little Portland-street ,Portland-road, aP• but as no answer could be procured, the case would Potatoes. cwt.
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a rise in that class of expenditure which is con- land. How much prices would be lowered in dat this office before Mr. hr Ts
netted in any manner with the administration of England, and how much raised on the Conti- duction of the poverty of the people from the tpoe Peered es u m
mous . RAWLINSON to answer
obtained against him by the committee be immediately taken before a higher tribunal. MEETINGS OF OF CREDITORS ~eral)
criminal justice.—Times. nent, cannot be stated beforehand with anything growth of the money applied to the relief o theofthh lopposite -for . e chapel his house, repeatedly an- The parties then retired. REO 'th b,
AT THE COURT, BASINGHALL-ST
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said that the Irish farmer is a nonentity—that
the landlord regularly cleans him out, and that
rise or fall of rent means merely rise or fall of
prices, as the whole produce, minus the pota-
toes, regularly goes to the landlord. Nobody
takes Polish or Russian serfs into consideration
when speaking of Polish or Russian agriculture,
because, though rhey have a better living than
the Irish serf, they still only have a living.
What the Standard says about Irish rents being
higher or lower, may, therefore, be safely passed
over. But he says, " The short answer to Mr.
Scrope's complaint of the advantages enjoyed
by Irish agriculture is, that in Dublin prices
are as high, deducting freight and commission,
as they are at Mark-lane. The reason of this
fact will at once expose the fallacy of his whole
theory. In the present state of supply and
consumption in this country, the ability of
the purchaser, and nothing connected with
the cost of production, is, in fact, the
measure of price. Farmers sell at a loss, be-
cause the purchaser is not able to pay a remu-
nerating price; and the purchaser is not able to
pay a remunerating price chiefly because of the
free trade system. Looking to permanent re-
sults, it is extremely doubtful, as we have shown,
whether the total exclusion of Irish produce
would, in any respect, benefit the English
farmer, so long as he is disproportionately bur-
dened at home, and so long as the unnatural
state of our monetary system depresses all classes
but the capitalist to a state of extreme poverty.
At all events, we think we have said enough to
demonstrate that there is no permanent oppo-
sition of interest between the British and the
Irish agriculturist ; and we must strongly protest
against reasoning upon the hypothesis that such
permanent opposition of interests can exist ;
first, as tending to engage the English agricul-
turists in support of the treasonable scheme of
separation ; next, as diverting the attention of
British farmers from the safe and sound remedy
for their distress—a more equal distribution of
their home burdens, the protection of the agri-
culture of these islands from foreign competi-
tion, and an emancipation of the credit and
industry of the country from the tyranny
of the money lender class by a repeal of
the Bill of 1819. Let them follow such
leaders as Lord Chandos, and they will go
right ; by pursuing the advice of Mr. Poulett
Scrope they may, if they succeed, perhaps
obtain the exclusion of Irish produce, for a few
weeks, at the expense of being overwhelmed by
the produce of all the rest of the world for ever."
Now, with all submission to our contemporary,
this short answer is no answer at all. If the
trade were as free between Poland and Belgium
and England as between Ireland and England,
the prices at Dantzic and Antwerp would differ
from the prices at Mark-lane only by the freight
and commission added to the latter. The mea-
sure of price would not be the cost of produc-
tion in Belgium and Poland, but the proportion
between the supply and demand at Mack-lane.
As long, however, as the cost of production
should continue lower in Belgium and Poland
than in England, Belgium and Poland would
supply the English market to the extent of what
exceeded their home consumption ; and the effect
of this supply would be to lower prices in Eng-
land.
How much prices would be lowered in
England, and how much raised on the Conti-
nent, cannot be stated beforehand with anything
like accuracy ; but this may be stated with per-
fect confidence, that, so long as England should
be the importing country, and the others the
exporting countries, the prices in the ports of
exportation would be as high as the prices
in England, deducting the freight and
commission. It is most absurd to suppose,
that there is any difference, as far as England
is concerned, between Ireland and a foreign
country. The price in the English market
depends on the proportion between the supply
and the demand. If Ireland continues to throw

An evening contemporary attempts to cavil
at the conclusion which we yesterday drew from
the increase in the sums annually expended for
the relief of the poor, and from the increase in
the number of criminals committed for trial.
We argued that these two facts, taken conjointly,
afford irresistible proof of the increasing poverty
of the great mass of the people. It is well
known that within the last few years the funds
provided for the relief of helpless want have
been dealt out with a stern and rigorous parsi-
mony, almost amounting to a denial of assistance
in every case which was not one of the most
extreme and urgent necessity. Yet, notwith-
standing the augmented difficulties objected to
the applicants for parochial relief, there has been
an increase of one-fifth-1,100,000/., since
1826, in the sums annually expended for this
object. Our contemporary says that " the He-
rad is careful not to tell us whether the sum
it mentions includes the whole sum levied as
poor rates, or only the sums actually expended
to relieve the poor." The Herald despises equi-
vocations such as that imputed too much to deal
in them. It is difficult to conceive how this
almost wilful misunderstanding of our expressions
could have +been occasioned, except by the
consciousness of a disposition to resort to
similar subterfuges for the purpose of strength-
ening a weak argument or bolstering up a rot-
ten cause. We spoke of the " sums annually
expended for the relief of Me poor," and the
account we quoted was headed " Amount ex-
pended for the Relief of the Poor." These
were our words, and we do not see how their
very obvious meaning could be mistaken. But
it is said that the increase in the sums expended
for the relief of the poor is not conclusive proof
of the increase in the distress of the people,
because it may be occasioned ,by parochial
jobbing. So far as there has been any difference
at all in this charge upon the annual expenditure
of parishes, there cannot be a doubt that it has
been greatly diminished since the year 1826, by
the exertions which have been applied to the
correction of this evil by the press, and by
individuals, and in which exertions we have
assuredly borne our part. So far, therefore,
as this point enters at all into the matter, it
must clearly be admitted that the proportion
of the money stated to be expended in the
relief of the poor in 1826, which was ac-
tually wasted in mismanagement, and di-
verted from the proper objects of its appli-
cation, must have been much greater in
1826 than in 1832, and therefore the actual'
increase in the sums actually expended has
been in reality greater than the apparent increase.
But the conclusive objection made to our de-
duction of the poverty of the people from the
growth of the money applied to the relief of the
poor, is, that this account applies only to 1832,
and that it is since that time that the prosperity
of which we bear so much has grown up. If
we may refer to the columns of our contemporary
as being of any authority upon the subject of the
state of the country, this same prosperity, which
he now sees so clearly, has become visible, not
exactly within the last twelve months, but within
the last two months only, for up to that time
our contemporary bore almost daily witness to
the general distress of the country. We leave
him to compare his present assertions with his
former statements, and we trust he will benefit
by the improved knowledge of himself thereb)
to be acquired—a species of knowledge with
which, however, he appears at present to have
as superficial an acquaintance as with any of the
subjects he attempts to treat of and professes to
understand.—Morning Herald.
We think Lord Grey's friends are prematurely
proud of the success of his campaign against the
anti-tax payers of the metropolis. The Tories
long ago did not reckon more exultingly the
sunk three deckers of Trafalgar, or the captured
eagles of Waterloo, than the Whigs now count
up the tables they have carried off from Mr.
Birch, and the bedsteads they have purloined
from Mr. Savage. We say again that we think
Lord Grey's friends are prematurely proud. In
the same breath in which they proclaim their
present victory they announce also their future
defeat ; in the same paragraph in which they
boast that they have triumphantly collected the
obnoxious imposts they promise also that Lord
Althorp will never dream of collecting them
again. If they have for the present hushed
the murmurs in Marylebone, and repressed the
rebellion in Bethnal-green, they have done it
rather by their willingness to concede than by
their readiness to resist. It is either a
good thing or a bad thing to raise money
by taxes upon houses and windows. If it is a
good
thing, why does Lord Althorp now pur-
pose to abandon these taxes ? If it is a bad
thing, why did not Lord Althorp abandon these
taxes in the last Session of Parliament? The
answer is obvious. Lord Althorp believes that
it is just and expedient to raise money by taxes
on houses and windows ; he said it, and did his
endeavour to prove it, in the last Session of Par-
liament. But because the Birmingham Union
dislikes these taxes—because the Times news-
paper dislikes these taxes—because Dr. Wade
dislikes these taxes—Lord Althorp believes that
it is fit and wise to repeal the taxes on houses
and windows ; he will say it, and do his endea-
vour to prove it, in the next Session of Parlia-
ment. We shall estimate by Lord Althorp's
future policy the wisdom of his present course.
If he means to raise for the exigencies of the
State a permanent income from these unpopular
duties, certainly he cannot too promptly or too
severely visit the open show of resistance to
their collection. If, on the other hand, he
designs to give them up in obedience to the
Butlers and the Murphys, why does he
prefer the shame of ultimate defeat to the
grace of immediate concession ? Let not his
Lordship fancy that he preserves the dignity or
authority of the King's Government by the one
course rather than the other. When he shall
stand up in his place in Parliament next January,
and tell Sir Charles Manners Sutton that it is
not his intention to levy any more taxes upon
houses and windows, he will be to the full as
abject and as humbled a thing, as if he were to-
morrow to withdraw his instructions from the
Sheriff, and to countermand his orders to the
troops. But if it shall, indeed, be found that
taxes are repealed by the Parliament in the spring

Yesterday Mr. Joseph Cowderoy, an extensive
livery-stable keeper, and landlord of the Portland
Arms, in Little Portland-street, Portland-road, ap-
peared at this office before Mr. RAWLINSON to answer
to a summons obtained against him by the committee
of the chapel opposite his house, for repeatedly an-
noying the congregation.
Mr. Shepherd, one of the Committee, stated that
some time ago they obtained a grant from the Duke
of Portland to build a chapel in Little Portland-
street, which was finished in April last, the site
being in front of the defendant's house. The de-
fendant by its erection had imagined that he had
sustained a severe injury in the livery-stable part
of his business, and had applied to the Duke of
Portland for compensation, but the Duke refused
to de anything for him, upon which he threatened
to annoy them (the Committee) till he had had
satisfaction. On Saturday, the 2Gth ult., they
summoned the defendant to this office for annoying
the congregation on their egress from the chapel on
the Sunday previous, by placing vehicles fronting
the doors and along the crossings. He was then
convicted and fined, lut had given notice of appeal.
On Sunday last, as the people were leaving chapel,
he set one of his boys to wash and dress a horse in
front of the doors while lie himself got into a gig
and harangued them on the ill usage he had re-
ceived. This was the cause of their the next day
applying for a summons. If the defendant had
really sustained any injury by the Duke of Portland
letting them the ground, they of course could not be
to blame.

Mr. Clarkson thanked the Magistrate for the at-
tention with which he had heard him. The object
of his application must be obvious to every person ;
but as no answer could be procured, the case would
be immediately taken before a higher tribunal.
The parties then retired.
HATTON-GARDEN.

Some confusion is occasioned in argument by
making use of terms which have more than one
signification. We observe that the term agricul-
turist, used by Mr. Poulett Scrope, has led to
misconception of his meaning. The Times of
yesterday, for instance, observes, with reference
to his letter—" It is fair to say, that, with all
our full and hearty concurrence in the necessity
of Irish poor laws, we doubt the correctness of
Mr. P. Scrope's theory, when he ascribes the
distress of the English farmer to his being un-
dersold by the Irish grower, because of the latter
being exempt from any legal provision for the
poor. We doubt whether the Irish farmer can
undersell the English, or do more than meet
him on equal terms, after paying his rent. If
the Irish farmer be free from poor rates, does
Mr. Scrope suppose that such a circumstance
escapes the shrewdness of the Irish landlord, or
that it does not enter into the calculation of both
landlord and tenant when they strike the rent per
acre ? The truth is, that Irish wheat is sold in
Dublin or Cork market, quality for quality,
on nearly the same terms as British in the
markets of England, the cost of carriage being
pretty much the same. If the Irish farmer
Bays less in poor rate, he pays more in rent,
and has even a smaller profit. The landlord
alone is the gainer ; and if poor laws were
established in Ireland to-morrow, Irish wheat
would not be sold a fraction higher, but the rent
would be wofully reduced, and the relation be-
tween the farmers or immediate sellers of grain
in the two countries would remain, as to their
respective profits, precisely what it is at present.
With regard to the enlarged consumption of
Irish grain in 1832, as compared with 1817, it
is sufficiently accounted for by the increased de-
mand of a rapidly growing population, the agri-
cultural soil and productiveness of England itself
not being susceptible of a proportionate increase.
It was well observed by Burke, that in all argu-
ments with respect to agriculture, the tenant
must be considered merely as the representative
of the landlord. And, in fact, Mr. Poulett
Scrope considered the Irish farmer merely as a
potatoe-eater, who, whether prices were high or
low, had no interest whatever in the question.
SVhen be said that the Irish farmer could under-
sell the English farmer, he meant that the land-
lord, acting through the wretched creature that
raises and disposes of the whole produce for
his account, could undersell the English
farmer. The English cultivator, as is well
known, must maintain the population, whether
he employs them or not, and if the supply of
Irish food lowers the price below what would
rs.olace to the Englishman the necessary ex-
pense,
he is, of course, undersold by the Irish
agriculturist. Whatever the price, high or low,
the Irish agriculturist can always afford to sell,
because the only cost of production is the
supply of potatoes and water to the famished
wretch, who is reduced, by excessive competi-
tion, to the necessity of delivering over his
whole produce to the owner of the soil. No
reflecting person would, therefore, bestow a
moment's consideration on the being whom, by
courtesy, we call Irish farmer, from not know-
ing what else to call him. The whole tenor of
argument went to ',how that
Mr. Scrope's
the landlord alone was concerned, for he
took pains to show, that, happen what
might, the Irish peasant could only count on
potatoes and water in good y
iears, and a relief
by typhus from his cares n years of famine.
Our contemporary (the Standard) has written
a long article on Mr. Scrope's letter, the argu-
ments of which, with all humility be it spoken,
he has utterly misunderstood. We have already

CHARGE OF MURDER,--Yesterday, Richard
Shortland, a butcher, a young man, was brought to
this office, in the custody of John Capes and Wm.
Dunstan Stanley, beadles of St. Pancras parish,
charged before Mr. ROGERS and Mr. LAING, on sus-
picion of the wilful murder of Elizabeth Scully, a
young woman, who was found drowned in the Re-
gent's Canal under suspicious circumstances.
There not being sufficient evidence against the
prisoner, he was discharged.

(From the London Gazette.) f. I
TO-MORROW, Nov. 8.
6. 11
D. Cockerill. cattle-dealer, Edmonton, Middlesex . ......
C. Hamond, Italian-warehouseman, Blacktriars.road.... 5
J. Hilton, grocer, Cumbetland-place, New.road ............
DIVIDEND.
J. Head and Co., white-lead-manufacturer, Lawrence PoOt'slll
ney-lane

The total number of electors for the CO
for this year is 9,485, being an increase of 1,20511'
the number of last year.— Worcester Herald.
R
GLASGOW AND KILMARNOCK NEW ,-- f)eir
—The Renfrewehire part of the new road was opal?
the public on Monday week, and carriages are no TY
upon it regularly. The length of this part of the 01;19
about nine miles. The levels of it have been wroog
an accuracy not exceeded in any railway—and they
carried on to the high summit of seven hundred feeg Il
more gradual manner than in any turnpike road ifji4
country. Where the nature of the ground required 117/,
the curves have been made with mathematical preciV
and with little exception does their radius exceed a Vi
of a mile. The cuttings and embankments are fe,V,.;
siderable, but the heights have been calculated to P or,
lows with less borrowing or spoil heaps than,aeA
found in any other work of equal magnitude. I';‘,:i
of country abounds with materials for bottoming,
we consider the most important part of roadmakini6
this part of the work is done in what is called "
style," and is esteemed superior to what is called
adamizing," or breaking all the stones to a small B;s,Oief
this case the stones were blocked into a pyramidal:ft;
and close set by the band on their broadest bed, tbeiii
broken smooth, and the crevice closely wedged---forrj
forming a firm foundation and a complete drain f
road ; over this there is laid a complete coating °
napped whinstone, which is got in abundance Yeti, ?'"
to the road, and this has again been covered with I'd of
ling of small rotten rock, or dry earth, which bag It'
the whole to consolidate without breaking the ali° 31
the whinstone by the rolling of carriage wheeg' O.
cartage upon it by the contractors, who built ti?eder6
(which are mostly stone walls) has been very cons' cont'
and the state coaches are running over it with the
e.— Glasgow Chronicle.

UNION--HALL.

Yesterday James Rae, a sergeant belonging to

into the English market a large and increasing
supply, that supply must keep down prices. To
the English consumer this is, to a certain extent,
an advantage. But the English agriculturist
fights the Irish agriculturist with his hands tied.
He must, as Mr. Scrope says, give those la-
bourers who are thrown idle by the Irish pro-
ducers one and sixpence a day. He cannot turn
the labourers to the ditches to starve. They
have a habitation in their respective parishes—
they have a lien on all the land in every parish
for their subsistence—they must be fed before
any one else can be fed, and let the worst come
to the worst, the lands—if cultivators cannot be
found—must be abandoned to them. A land-
owner in Ireland may set fire to the cabins on
his estate, though it were a whole barony, and
call for the police and the troops of the nearest
barracks to drive the wretched inhabitants
from the grounds—consigning them to
death by famine whenever he pleases. But
the English inhabitants of a parish are
joint proprietors with the owners of land.
Their maintenance is a rent-charge on the
land. They can claim a home and support—and
the trembling farmers are but too well aware of
their power to enforce it. Ownership of land
without responsibility is a dreadful scourge,
especially where there is a rich country adjoin-
ing that in which such a pestiferous state of
things prevails, bound to support the owners.
So long as that state of things prevails in Ire-
land, it is a mockery to talk of its civilization,
because civilization supposes the growth of a
middle class possessing capital. Our own civi-
lization is retarded by the influx of hordes of
wretched creatures, who depress the labour
market, because they must work on any terms.
The importation of food from Ireland is so much '
more mischievous than the importation of food
from Poland, or any other country equally bar-
barous with Ireland (if such country there be)
in this—that Poland gives us no trouble with
her serfs, whereas the spread of the wretched
cultivator of Ireland increases with fearful rapidity
the number of peasants whom Britain must
coerce with an armed force, and increasing de-
tachments from whom fill our towns, and derange
the labour market. The exasperation among
the working classes in this island on account
of this derangement is very great. The
fires in East Kent had their origin in
this source; and so great has been the
intimidation in country places, that one gentle-
man in Kent, who had had an Irish gardener for
some years, told us that lie was in constant terror
lest he should suffer for it. The farmers gene-
rally agreed not to employ Irishmen. But in
the towns the influx of Irish has been such, that
in many places the Irish predominate. The
consequences have been serious, and, indeed,
threaten the destruction of our manufactures.
We look with fear and apprehension to the
tyranny of Trades' Unions in towns, and incen-
diarism in the country.
believe, attributable to one cla'uh ey_ both,ns
tinctwoef
self-preservation. The author of « Trad• • itionary
Stories" has been blamed by -
one of his critics

the recruiting department, was summoned before the
sitting Magistrate under the following circum-
strnces

James Simmons, billetting constable of Bermond-
sey, stated that on Saturday last the defendant
called on him with a precept from the office, re-
quiring him to provide quarters for thirty recruits in
Bermondsey parish. He inquired the houses
the landlords of which were disposed to pay
out instead of having the men billetted upon them,
and the inquiry excited the suspicion of witness,
who asked him where the recruits were at the time;
the reply was, that they were drawn up in the
street outside Bermondsey churchyard. The con-
stable having made out the billets, gave them to the
sergeant, who went away, and he was followed to
the church, but instead of having the thirty re-
cruits drawn up there, as he had represented, it
turned out that there were only three men
present, and they joined him, and they all
went off together in a direction towards Lam-
beth. Witness followed them into the Waterloo.
road, and acting under the impression that the
sergeant had committed an offence in obtaining
billets for thirty recruits, when it was clear that he
had only three with him, gave him into custody at
that time. The witness subsequently ascertained
that the defendant had been with some of the

Defendant, in answer to the charge, said—l am
an injured man; I have laid out upwards of 3,0001.
on my premises, have a large family, and was doing
well till this chapel was built. I am willing to
appoint four gentlemen, and let the complainants
appoint another four, and then see if they can't
bring us to a reconciliation; or if Mr. Shepherd will
meet me as a friend everything shall be made
comfortable. The compensation I want is a mere
trifle.

It was then agreed that the matter should stand
over till Tuesday next, Mr. RAWLINSON hoping that
in the meantime the parties would be able to come

to an arrangement.
EXTRAORDINARY CASE.—Last night a fine tall
young fellow, who gave his name George Belling-
ham Graham, was brought into this office by a ser-
geant of the Royal Horse Guards (Blue), for the
purpose of being sworn in, in the usual manner, be-
fore the Magistrate as a private in the above regi-
ment.
Mr. RAWLINSON—Pray, are you any relation to
Sir Bellingham Graham, Bart. ? Recruit—Yes, I
am his eldest son.
Mr. RAWLINSON—And of course, then, you are
heir to the Baronetcy ? Recruit—l am.
Mr. RAWLINSON—What age are you ? Recruit—
I shall be twenty in a few months.
Mr. RAWLINSON—Have you ever been in the
army before? Recruit—l have held a commission

licensed victuallers in Bermondsey parish, and re-
ceived money in lieu of having the recruits biletted
on them. He (the constable) had also been round
to several of the public-houses in the parish, at none
of which had any recruits been quartered, so that
it was evident from that fact that the defendant had
obtained the precept for so many recruits for the
purpose of committing a fraud on the licensed vic-
tuallers of that part of the district.
The defendant, in answer to the charge, handed
in a list with the names of sixty-eight recruits, the
precepts for billetting whom in the parishes of Ber-
mondsey and Rotherhithe lie had procured at this
office on Saturday last. lie admitted having re-
ceived billets from the witness for thirty men, and
on his return to Bermondsey Church he found that
but few were present ; and he accounted for this
by saying that the recruits scattered themselves
about, and, instead of availing themselves of their
billets, wenttopntuiaoantrtw.gi
parish
constable
noiersttoataalitditiliidieeett:hdii
gap:
that
trietihasfveoteornfet‘hvotoheuhnreireecs teho w n .
recruitvt oehfree hisblol hadmeint
es-
(118;1'1 ticeeeiTprle:thsele.icindlobauld
tdivictuallers in attendance on whose houses
billets were made out, but the recruits had not pre-
sewed themselves.
The defendant might have committed an offence
which would subject him to a military tribunal,
namely, that of taking money in lieu of billetting'
his recruits on certain publicans, but with respect to
his having committed any other fault he had proof
to the contrary. He then appealed to a Mr. Sigar,
residing in Bermondsey, and asked him whether he
had not left five billets at his house on Saturday, in
the event of the recruits coming there for quarters
for the night.
The individual to whom the appeal was made
answered in the offitinative, upon winch the 'uillet-
ting constable said that when Mr. Sigar was made
acquainted with the circumstances be endeavoured
to prevail on him (the billetting constable) not to
proceed against the sergeant, saying, at the same
time, that it would end in his discharge from the
recruiting staff.
Mr. 'NAIL, inquired if there was evidence to
prove that the defendant had received money from
a publican in lieu of having a recruit billetted on

BIRTHS.
the sth inst., at North. nd H,

~....- ;.
,ii
V
the it

, _..-ent —louse, Hants,
Major H. D. Campbell, of a daughter.
On the Gth inst., at Craven-street, Mrs. John B3Orise,

aV~
On the sth inst., in Upper Harley-street, the lady of tf
Green, Esq., of a daughter. e
On the 6th inst., the lady of Robert Walter Carden'
Hunter street, Brunswick-square, of a son. f
0
On the sth inst., the wife of John Shephard,
sington-square, of a daughter,

MARRIED.
On the 31st ult., at Marchfield, Gloucestershire, y,
Mirth, Esq., of Hill House, Hainbledon Hants, and tli,e4e/
Bulstrode-park, to Matilda, second daughter of the ,v'or
Denison, Esq., M.P., of Ossington-park, Notts, and
square. 0,
On the 6th i

as Ensign, whichFliave given up.
Mr. RAIVLINSON—This is a most extraordinary
proceeding. Are your friends aware of the steps
you are taking ? Recruit—They are, and are agree-
able. Colonel Hill, the deputy commander of the
regiment into which I have now enlisted, was also
apprised of it this morning.
Mr. RAWLINSON—You are described in the affi-
davit as a yeoman. What do you mean by that ?
Recruit—l at one time held a farm under my father.

n , .nst., at Ippollitts, Lieut.-Colonel Si_
Coldstream Guards, to Jane Grace, second daughter. 0,1
Harvey Lovell, Esq., of Cole Park, Wilts, and Ippo_l2,l

DIED. u 11.1frP
On the 31st ult., Commander Charles Bentham, loy
third son of the late Lieutenant-General Bentham,
tillery. 6°ll/
On the Ist inst., at Holmbush, James Fox Broad
f
on the 3d inst., Alexander Alfred Broadwood, sons p'l4
Broadwood, Esq. ft° oi
On the 4th inst., at Esher, Surrey, John B. Abia ,4s
in his 70th year. )11'
On the 24th ult., at her house, Upper Homertorh i? i
Reece, aged 67. td V
On the Ist inst., at St. Prix, in the valley of 'A'Allor
in France, Alexander Wright, Esq., late of the pirifo,
India Company's Bengal Civil Service, aged 67.
On the Bth ult., suddenly, at Greenwich, JarneSciCllr
Esq. He was the author of Jennings's FamilY
ahioppylhi
Ornithologia, History of Cookery (on completing yit4lo,
engaged at the time of his decease), and many othe'fill!f
On the 15th ult., at Williamfield, near Ediio °f9 or
86th year of his age, William Guoch, Esq., uncle f`' to
Gooch.
On the 30th ult., at Ventnor, Isle of Wight, th'ioly jyt'
thope Sims, M.D., aged 38, only son of the late
M.D., formerly of Wimpole-street, London. oOr afer
On the sth inst., in his 12th year, George Sirr'°- oer C
chain, Esq., of Newhouse, in the county of Wilts' f 01°91'
On
widow of
atLasb
serojuoghp,h Lintynshoecounty
Caroline,
Montrath, Devonshire.
u.e d°ol''
On the Ist inst., at Ralf House, Eltharn, .-n
eft
year, Mildred Warner, relict of William War
Hatton Garden Estate, Dominica.

Mr. RAWLINSoN—I think you are acting with a
deal of indiscretion. Where is your father ? Re-
cruit—He is at present in York.
Mr. RAWLINSON (to the sergeant)—This is a
strange affair. Is it usual for you to enlist a person
in Mr. Graham's sphere of life as a private soldier?
Sergeant—lt is certainly very unusual.
Mr. RAWLINSON—WeII, the young man must
certainly use his own discretion.

The required form having bee❑ gone through, the
sergeant, accompanied by his recruit, who described
himself as a married man, then left the office.
Q UEEN- S Q UARE.
THE POLICE GAZETTE.—On Monday last a man
named James Reeves, of Lambeth-square, New-cut,
was apprehended for selling a publication called the
Police Gazette, price twopence, which was un-
stamped, containing news contrary to the Act of
Parliament, for which offence the defendant was
sentenced by Mr. WHITE, the presiding Magistrate,
to three months' imprisonment.
Yesterday afternoon Mr. Clarkson, the barrister,

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