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London, England, 1851-06-24 00:00:00

%tree they intended to take with relset to the sche-
' dales ?
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL for IRELAND meek
innte reply, which was inaudible.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD protested against a portion of
the measure (the 71st clause). but would not.on the pee-
wit occasion offer any opposition.
NAPIER said one of the clauses which had been
',Tooted to was only to clear up a doubtful point. The
the which referred to ejectments did not go beyond
,4,8 existing laws.
dar. ROCHE said the 73d clause gave a wider power
„_%41.11 at present existed. This constitutad a new law
:gib regard to the tenure of land in Irel:md. re ob-
Jetted to the principle of passing laws bit by bit, while
the great
If
of landlord and tenant was left un-
lettled. If the law of distraining for rent were done
4lfaY with, he believed nothing would tend so effectually
to
~the settlement of the landlord and tenant question.
'l9 bit by bit legislation was vicious, imprudent, and
9arious to the beat interests of Ireland. They were
Ilting new powers to landlords, but they were denying
thlthe tenant the means of obtaining compensation fur
Provements.
The Bill was then read a first time.
4.11 r. REYNOLDS intimated his determination to offer
opposition t,) the 82d section of the Bill.
oir W. SOMERVILLE said all the schedules would
111 Postponed for the present.
Mr. REYNOLDS wished a day to be fixed for going
°II with the sch, dules.
Mr. FRI;NCH said all the objections that could be
tinged to the schedules had already been urged by the
lion. Member himself in Committee.
Mr. REYNOLDS observed the schedules were in such
%imperfect state that the authors would be obliged to
correct them.
Mr. wAWN said the Hon. Member for Dublin was
linough to tire out the patience of the House and the
'pantry—and of Job himself. The Hon. Member came
wroard to ask for the delay of a measure which he did
*et understand.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD said it would not expedite Irish
business for an English Member to rise and make such
Lot/larks as those which had Callen from the lion. Mem-
bers (Mr. Wawn).
Mr. REYNOLDS would receive with perfect good
'amour the lecture of the intelligent Member for West
Shields; bat he must, again say he hoped the schedules
Would be postponed for a longer date thin Thursday.
a Sir W. SOMERVILLE could not postpone the ache-
'Mies beyond Thursday.
Dar. WAWN said the Hon. Member for Dublin, be-
fore he attempted to remark upon the intelligence of any
14012. Member, ought first to set himself right in his
geography. Shiel Is was north, not west.
Mr. TAYLOR moved s' That the present chairman of
111.40 county of Dublin, so long as he si all remain in office,
not ineligible to sit in Parliament."
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for IRELAND would
not oppo.r the proviso.
Mr. REYNOLDS thought the proviso a harmless one,
but would wish to see it extended to the successors of the
Piesent chairman.
The proviso was then inserted, and the clause (as so
*Mended) agreed to.
Clauses to 24 were agreed to.
On the clause relating to the courts of assistant bar-
titters,
Colonel DUNNE moved that the jurisdiction of the
courts be extended to 501, instead of 40/, as in the
Cause.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE was in favour of 501., but as
"1411 Select Committee had decided in favour of 401., he
Would vote for adhering to their decision.
Sir D. NORatt:YS saw no use in referring Bills to
select Committees if the House were not to abide by the
decisions of such Committees.
Mr. HERBERT said there was no understanding that
the House should not consider this point.
Mr. HUME was in favour of inserting 501., as it would
assimilate the courts in Ireland to the county courts in
England.
Mr. GROGAN would adhere to the sum of 401., as
agreed to by the Select Committee.
The Committee then divided—
For the motion ••• •.•
Against it ...
Majority .
The clause was then agreed to.
Clauses to 40 inclusive were agreed to.
Colonel DUNNE gave notice that he would move the
Insertion of clause 41 of the original Bill on bringing up
the report.
Clauses to 72 inclusive were then ordered to stand part
Of the Bill.
Clause 73 was postponed.
Clauses to 81 were agreed to.
Clause 82 was postponed.
The remaining clauses were ordered to stand part of
the Bill.

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. . 82
... -43

Colonel DUNNE then said he wished to introduce a
clause, which had been in the original Bill of the Go-
l'ernment, to the followivg eff'ct:—" That if an action
r►as brought in any of the superior courts the person
bringing it should not be entitle d to larger costs than he
!rould in an inferior court, unless the judge who tried
It would give a certificate that it was a cause fit to be
tried in the superior courts." The Hon. Member having
read the clause brought it up, and it was moved to be
read a first time.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for IRELAND op-
posed the clause, to which he said great objection bad
been expressed in Ireland. The clause bad been fully
discussed in Committee, and had been rejected atter ma-
ture consideration.
Mr. French, Mr. Monsell, and Mr. Keogh supported
the clause.
Mr. NAPIER opposed it.
The CLIAIRMAN asked whether the Hon. and Gal-
lant Member meant to press it?
Colonel DUNNE intimated his intention to do so.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the clause ... ... 63
Against it ... ... ... 92
Majority ... —29
The clause was eccorclingly lost.
The House then resumed, the Chairman reported pro-
tress, and obtained leave to sit again.
The Collection of Fines, &c. (Ireland) Bill was corn-
bitted pro forma, and ordered to be re-committed on
Monday next.
LANDS CLAUSES CONSOLIDATION (IRELAND)

BILL.
Mr. LABOUCHERE moved the second reading of
this Bill. The object of it was to substitute for the sys-
tem of trial by jury in cases of compensation for the oc-
cupation of land by railways a more summary and cheap
System. A general feeling prevailed in Ireland in
favour of a change of the present system, and ho had,
therefore, prepared the present Bill, in which he pro-
posed to follow the course that had been
adopted in the Shannon Navigation all—namely,
to constitute a court of arbitration, which should
be an open court of inquiry, and which should make a
draft award, and a second court should give the final
award. Another system which had been suggested was
that the final decision should be referred to a jury at
quarter sessions. He did not say which was the pre-
ferable system; but ho meant to consult the Irish Mem-
bers of all parties without distinction, and whichever
system was thought the most desirable anon the whole,
that he should adopt.
Mr. DISRAELI thought the speech of the Right
Hon. Gentleman a most remarkable and dangerous one.
It appeared that the Government were no longer to in-
troduce their measures on their owe responsibility, and
induce the House of Commons to adopt them by open
discussion; but the Right Hon. Gentleman told them
that he asked them to agree to the principle of a mea-
sure, and that with regard to all its details he was to
settle them with the Irish Members, wherever he should
meet them. The Right Hon. Gentleman did not propose
to refer it to a Select Committee in the usual und letetimate
way, with the view of iefluoncing the decision in some
degree by the report of that Committee. If he did so in
the usual constitutional manner he had no doulet the
House would pay proper atLention to the decisiuu of the
Committee; but he (t.f.r. Disraeli) protested against the
course he proposed to take in the matter.
After a tew welds from Colonel DUNNE,
Mr. S. CRAWFORD oppo-ed the Bill as an invasion
of the rights of property which the House ought cot
to sanction.
Mr. MONSELL s .id the Bill at present only affirmed
the principle of arbitration; the details were for their
future consideration.
Mr. O'FLAHERTY thought that there ought to be
an appeal given for the decision of the arbitrator. In
opposition to the doctrine laid clown by the lien. Mem-
ber for Buckinghamshire, he contended that it was only
fair and reasonable thut the feelings and opinions of the
Irish Members should be consulted upon Irish questions,
just as Eeglish Members ought to be consulted upon
questions bearing exclusively upon the interests of this
country.
Mr. BERN AL said it was highly necessary that some
Bill should be introduced and parsed upon that subject,
and that some final rule should be laid down for the
guidance of Committees, He approved of the main
principle of the Bill, but he did Lot pledge himself to
support its details. He would remind the Hon. Member
for Buckinghamshire that that was a question affecting
exclusively Irish interests, aid that it was only reason-
able that an sppeal should be made to the experience of
Irish Members open the subject.
Mr. HERRIES s he did not mean to oppose the
second reedieg of the Bill. But he should observed that
be agreed with his lion. Friend the Member for Buck-
inghamshire that the course which the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman the President of the Board of Trade had stated
that he would teaks upon that subject was neither very
regular nor very constitutional. It certainly appeared
to him that the Right Hon. Gentleman had announced
in too decided and general a manner that he would allow
the .Irish Members—whom he would consult out of that
House—to decide the mode in which he would carry out
that measure.
Mr. VESEY expressed his belief that the course taken
by the Right Hon. Gentleman the President of the
Boatel of Trade was perfectly just and reasonable.
Mr. AGLIONBY said he. very much questioned the
propriety of the mode in a bich the Right Hon. Gentle-
man the President of the Board of Trade proposed to
deal with the subject. He could not help thioktng that
the point which the Right Hon. Gentleman stated that
be would leave to the decision of the Irish Dderabors
was of too important a character to be settled out of the

House.
Mr. J. STUART said he thought that that Bill should
not have been introduced 'vithout that consultation with
the Irish Members which it was proposed that tho Right
Hon. Gentleman the President of the Board of Trade
should hold with them after an advanced stage of the
measure. In his opinion the proper course for the Right
Hon. Gentleman to pursue would bo to withdraw that
measure, and to introduce another in its place, after he
had consulted the Irish Members.
Mr. CONOLLY that he -iiewed with distrust
any departure from English law with respect to property
in Ireland. They bad had a vast sacrifice of property