The Sun.
London, England, 1834-12-08 00:00:00

,n uncertainty ; but 'Ministers, instead of_ preavoking
the discussion, preferred the tone' of conciliationc-
Hence resulted much uncertaintyrl#,Tfitk regard *lle
stability of the Ministry, and hence alaiiiteo4lo,-;-Ignis-
terial crisis so often referred to. The MinfseA, waiild not
contest any of the paragraphs of the address, but uncer-
tainty enfeebled power, and under these circumstances
explanations had been demanded, in order to restore to
power the force that might enable it to command respesct.
Ministers merely required to know the system which the
Chamber intended to adopt. Explanation on this point
would enable them to pursue that system or to retire.
They had not shrunk before the difficulties in which the
country was involved, and they therefore demanded the
support of the Chamber. They asked if that Chamber,
which was yet untried, was devoted to the revolution of
July. The Minister gave the present explanation frankly
and without dissimulation ; he would ask if the Chamber
interpreted in the same spirit. as Ministers the revolution of
July, the constitutional system, and the Government of
the country ? The principles of the Ministry had been
expressed during the last four years. It was for the Cham-
ber, which, he repeated, was untried, to explain its system,
and to state if it would lend to the Administration that
support without which the latter could effect nothing.
" We have demanded," said the Minister in conclusion,
" if the Chamber fully adopted the-policv of Government,
but we have never required that in the details of 'Govern-
ment confidence should be accorded to us blindly."
The President, M. Dupin, having been replaced in the
chair by M. Pelet de la Lozere, then ascended the tribune.
'—(General movement of attention.) He was desirous of
making a few observations, not in the spirit of party, but
for the purpose of placing the question in its true point of
view. He entertained the highest respect for the preroga-
tive of the Crown, and he considered the weakness of GO-
vernments their greatest defect. In a Government com-
posed of several powers, the faithful maintenance of the pre-
rogatives of each could alone lead to union in the constitu-
tion, to public confidence, and to a firm administration. He
would at the same time declare that he was jealous of the
power of the Chambers, not only as a deputy of that Cham-
ber, but as its President. The Chambers was one of the
three powers of the State. It voted the taxes—it limited
the burdens of the country—it controlled the acts of Minis-
ters—it kept watch over public opinion, of which it was
the expression. In all times Ministers were jealous of po-
litical bodies, and wished to subjugate them to their will.
He had himself told his Majesty that the Chambers prove
their fidelity as much by refusing as by granting. He always
considered the Chamber of Deputies as the expression of
the wishes of the country, and in his opinion it was to that
Chamber that the Government ought always to look for
support. Let Deputies recollect M. Villele's majority of
300. Woe to the man who would endeavour to urge an
assembly to similar degradation ! He remarked with bit-
terness of spirit that the votes of the Chamber of Deputies
had been frequently contemned. With regard to taxation,
the grants of the ChaMber had often been exceeded—
notwithstanding the complaints of the Chamber on that
head—expressed in three successive Sessions. It was
by financial abuses that others crept in. It was by the
votes with regard to taxation that the Chamber effectually
protected the country. No doubt some improvements had
been
~obtained, but still the country had real objec-
tions to make to the system of Ministers, and the address
has been designed to place its grievances in evidence, and
to demand th,air cessation. Neither the committee on the
address nor the Chamber bad been willing to give their
adherence to a system, or to adopt its responsibility. For
eight sessions, during- which he had formed one of the com-
mittee on the address,a..ad for four sessions during which he
had enjoyed the honour of presiding over the Chamber, an
attempt had always been,. made to introduce the word
" system " into the draft of the address. An attempt
had even been made to (Attain for the Ministry a sort of
general approbation—a sort of can:" blanche—but neither
the committee nor the Chamber had ever undertaken t(!
canonize a system. The committee heal ever been of
opinion that the Chamber should confine itsAf to explana-
tion on each paragraph of the speech from the Throne with-
out the discussion of generalities. Such was the case
especially on the occasion of the last address. The address
demanded not the appearance but the reality of a represen-
tative Government. Such was the wish of the country,
and the address was the interpreter of that wish.—( Hear.
hear.) An address could not overthrow a Government ;
on the contrary, its essence was conservative. The Chamber
wished to influence the direction of the affairs of the country,
in the manner which appeared to it to accord with tho-
wishes of the country, and the mass of opinions was in
favour of the address. It is true that some murmured, and
the address was warmly attacked by certain journals, for the-
journals always march before those whom they support..
The poet had said that nothing is more dangerous than an
imprudent friend : such friends are not wanting.—(Laughter
from different Hon. Deputies.)
Salvandy, who writes for the Journal des Deb"
here interrupted the speaker with sonic acrimony, and de-
manded to be heard, in consequence of M. Dupin having
looked at him.—(A laugh.)

The President, after an-exchange of some remarks be-
tween himself and the Hon. Deputy, which were inaudible
amidst the general laughter and confusion, resumed the
thread of his observations. Certain individuals had found
fault with the address, and had engaged the Government
to demand alterations in it. To this effect certain persons
had entered their names on the list as proposing to speak
against the address. The President here entered into some
details, showing that Ministers, not considering the mo-
ment opportune, finally relinquished their objection, and,
tacitly accepted the address such as it was. The Presi-
dent then entered into explanations with regard to the
accession of Marshal Gerard to the Ministry, stating that
that it was he Wm had decided the Marshal on that occa-
sion, as he had before decided M. Casimir Perier. With
reference to Marshai Gerard's acceptance of office, he at-
tributed that eircumsta.ve to the effect of his own counsel,
adding that the Marsh 4 had adopted the address in its
entire, and was decided to conform wholly to the mea-
sures indicated by it.—(The President laid considerable
ernOasis on these last words, which were received with
marki' J warm approbation by the left centre.) The
address bad been attributed to A party calculation on
the one band,• And to an excessive degree of simpli-
city on the other. A portion of the majority had been
attacked and insulted under the name or the tiers parti.
—" No, no," from the Ministerial Benches.) As to
himself, he protested against such a designaion. In the
name of his friends he would deny the charge of forming a
party, and in his own name he repudiated the noiion of his
leading a party. He had on important occasions sled with
the majority. Who were the men accused of having . sought
for.power ? Was it not in the interior of the Coune that
had arisen the schism which had separated Marshal Gerard
from his colleagues ? It was not a party that overthrev-
the Ministry. The resignation of the five members 0)0
remained was likewise free from external influence, and bad
arisen from the impossibility of union in the Council. Th..
Ministry was- without a leader. A noble personage, whom
there was no occasion to name, had been charged to recon-
struct it, preserving a part of the old materials. The Pre-
sident entered into some details of the negotiation set on
foot to induce himself to accept the place of Minister of
Justice, which lie had ref.lsed. He wished for a Council
presided over with dignity and independence, and that ex-
plained the motive of his refusal. Ile had been consulted!
by M. Passy on the offer made to that deputy of the admi-
nistration of the finances, and he had advised him to accept
that offer. M. Passy had been urged by appeals to his'
reason, his patriotism, his love for his country, and yet 1,0
was one of the men who had been represected as futons
revolutionists !—("No, no," from the centre.) Even had the
three Ministers whose explanations had been heard during
this sitting been named at his solicitation, he was ready to
take upon himself the responsibility of such nomination,7-
He could wish that more such men had been named—•lbat

the country were to be long under the government of resmt
capable of imitating their conduct—(Hear, Lear.) The pre-
sent Ministry, previously to enter upon their functions seemed
to demand from the Chamber a sort of cxequatur—a
species of diphima, from the conditions of which no depar-
ture could be made without the Chamber's incurring the
charge of a breach of contract.—(A laugh. Violent ex-
clamations frem the right centre.) If such be the language:
held to the Chamber of Deputies, similar language must bpi
addressed to the Upper Chamber. If in 1829 the Cham-
ber, instead of .making the famous address of the 221, had
simply adhered to the 'Ministerial system, from that very
Chamber would have issued the Ordinances of July, 183 k .
Was it the approbation of the past that was demanded 1
The past, however, was composed of an infinity of different
facts which had nothing in common. In pronouncing in a
general way in favour of the system of the past, the Cham-
ber would become responsible for all the acts of the Admi-
nistration for the last. three years.—(lnterruptions from tlai
centre.) He would remark that these interruptions always
occurred when the important part of the discussion was en-
tered upon. He would advise the Chamber to engage
it-
self to no system whatever. Ministers had addressed then--
selves to the Chamber in a constitutional manner through tl e
speech from the throne. The Chamberhad replied by a frank
and sincere address, which had been accepted as such by puh-
lie opinion. He would call upon the Chamber to preserve tl
tenour and sentiments of that address, and if it is now to 1 o
placed in question, he must advise the Chamber to resist
alteration, and to pass to the order of the day.—(The con-
clusion of this speech was received with numerous marks of
approbation from the left centre, mixed with great tumult.)
M. Guizot (the Minister of Public Instruction)
dressed the Chamber for the purpose of rectifying some er-
rors which had escaped from the Hon. President of tie
Chamber, who had stated that Marshal Gerard, in acce; t-
-1 ing the Presidency of the Council, had declared that 1 o
found nothing equivocal in the address.
The President (from his place.)—l merely said that I