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Lord MONTEAGLE then presented a petition from
the Earl of Kingston, complaining that his estates in
Ireland, representing an aggregate value of 280 0001.,
had been forced into the Encumbered Estates Court for
sale, on the petition of one single creditor to the amount
of only 200/ ; that having been brought on for sale, the
sale was publicly adjourned, whereupon the Noble
Earl's agent and other persons, who had come to at'end
the sale, withdrew; hut that, after they had so with-
drawn, and notwithstanding the public adjournment of
the sale, Mr. Commissioner Longtield, sitting alone, had
proceeded to sell several lots at sums infinitely below
their fair value, to the great detriment of the petitioner
and in contravention of the law.

The motion was then, as we understood, agreed to.
On the motion of the Earl of CARLISLE, the Conso-
lidated Fund Appropriation Bill was read a third time
and passed.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, August 7.

ATTENDANCE OF MEMBERS IN Tl-1E HOUSE
OF PEERS.

On the motion of Mr. LABOUCHERE, the report of
the Committee on this subject, which was presented yes-
terday was read by the clerk at the table.
On the motion that the report be agreed to.
Mr. V. SMITH objected to the time specified in the
report, and within which Members were to announce
their intention to attend the Speaker on the
occasion of the prorogation to-morrow. The report
required that Members should give in their names to
night, but it would answer all the ends that the report
sought to attain if Members delivered in their names to-
morrow. He should decidedly object to that
part of the report which proposed to give
Cabinet Ministers precedence over all other
Members ou the occasion of the opening or
closing Parliament, and he should divide the House on
that part of it, because the proposal was wholly in oppo-
sition to the principles of the constitution, which gave
Members the right of attending the Speaker on an equal
footing, as the representatives of the people.
Sir D. NORREYS concurred with the Right Hon.
Gentleman i❑ the objection he had taken to the second
resolution contained in the report. He should, therefore,
move that the first clause of the report be omitted.
Sir R. H. INGLIS thought it any precedence were to
be given it should be to the members of the Privy
Council, which would include not only the present
Cabinet, but all former Ministers and the most distin-
guished persons in that House.
Mr. C. ANSTEY thought the fault rested with the
other House, in not providing sufficient accommodation
for this House when it was called to the presence of her
Majesty. He also objected to recognise by a resolu-
tiott of the House the existence of the Cabinet Council,
a distinction which was unknown to the forms of the
House, and constitution of the country.
Mr. GREENE defended the report.
Sir B. HALL thought that the best mode of proceed-
ing would be to place the names of all Hon. Members
indiscriminately in a glass, and for each Hon. Member
to follow Mr. Speaker in the order in which his name be
drawn.

Mr. HOBHOUSE thought that if they were to have
any precedence at all, they ought to go by the tables of
precedence which were used in all other meetings Of gen-
tlemen. He thought, too, that the House of Lords was
deficient in courtesy towards this House in not providing
sufficient accommodation for it.

Mr. MACGREGOR objected to giving precedence to
any persons. He thought all Members were equal among
themselves.
After a few words from Sir DE LACY EVANS and
Mr. PA•KE,

Sir B. HALL said, that to meet the objection of Sir
D. Norreys, he would amend his proposition, so that it
should read thus:—" That every Member desirous of
attending Mr. Speaker do, on entering the House, put
his name i❑ a glass, and that in half an hour after the
meeting of the House the names shall bo drawn by the
clerk at the table, and that in such order as they are
drawn Members shall proceed to the House of Lords."
The SPEAKER was about to put the question, when
the Sergeant-at-Arms announced the arrival of the
Black Rod, an announcement which was received with
a cheer and loud laughter.
The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod then appeared
at the table, and summoned the House to the bar of the
House of Lords to hear the royal assent given by Com-
mission to a number of Bills. The Speaker proceeded
to the House of Lords accordingly, followed immediately
by Mr. T. Hobhouse and Mr. Macgregor, amidst the
cheers and laughter of the House.
The SPEAKER, on his return, announced to the
House that he had heard the royal assent given by
Commission to several Bills, for which see Lords' report.
Sir B. HALL then rose and made his amendment, in
the form he proposed to have adopted. It was to the
effect that ever Member desirous of attending Mr.
Speaker should put his name in a glass, that half an
hour after the meeting of the House the Members'
names should be drawn from the glass. and that in such
order as they were drawn they should proceed to the
House of Lnrrls.

Lord J. RUSSELL said, that, so far as he was con-
cerned, ho had no particular desire on the subject. He
had moved the appointment of the Committee on the
qnestion, because he had understood that many Mem-
bers wished there should be more order observed
than hitherto—(Hear, hear)—had been the case. He
was responsible for having moved the Committee, and
when the Committee had met he had certainly proposed
that there should be certain precedence observed,
but not that which was contained in the resolution.
The precedence which he had proposed was, that
four Members, such as the mover and seconder of

the Address, at the commencement of tho session,
or others selected on some such account, should
attend the Speaker before the other Members. How-
ever, that was unanimously negatived by the Com-
mittee, and the proposal now before the House of
giving precedence to the Cabinet Ministers was adopted
instead. It was to him a matter of perfect indifference.
If there were any Members who had more curiosity to
gratify on the occasion they might go. All he wished
for was that the House should agree, if possible, with-
out a division—(Hear)—to some arrangement. He did
not think it was at all desirable that they should divide,
and if the House saw no objection, he thought it better
they should adopt the amendment of the Honourable
Gentleman (Sir B. Hall). Of course he could not be
certain that the resolution would work well, but if there
should be any inconvenience in that mode of proceeding
the House could alter it on a future occasion.

The amendment was then agreed to. -_-
The next three resolutions, giving precedence to the
Cabinet Ministers after the Speaker, and arranging the
order of the Members, were then struck out.
The next resolution was as follows:—" That after the
House has been summoned to attend her Majesty, no
Member of this House do remain in, or cross, or pass
through any of the lobbies or passages leading from the
door of this House to the door of the House of Lords,
and the Sergeant at-Arms attending this House do keep
the said passages clear of Members."
Mr. ANSTEY objected to the resolution being re-
tained, and considered that it tahoul,4 be struck out with
the others. He would insist on dividing the House it'
that resolution were retained. With respect to the dif-
ficulties in the way of the proposed arrangement, there
was no place reserved for them below the bar of the
House; the place there was usually filled on those occa-
sions with law clerks, parliamentary agents, and persons
who bad been unsuccessful candidates for a seat in that
House. He wanted to know whether there was any ar-
rangement made by which sufficient space would be se-
cured to the Members of that House?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that while they were consi-
dering this matter a communication had been made to
the Sergeant-at-Arms of the House of Lords, and they
had received a positive assurance that all the space be-
low the bar intended for the House of Commons would
be kept clear for them to-morrow, and that there was
space for 300 persons in that place—(Oh, oh)—au esti-
mation which ho thought was exaggerated. There were,
however, the other day in that space 146 peers who di-
vided below the bar. Taking, then, but the half of the
300 stated, there would be, at all events, space for 150
Members of the House of Commons below the bar of
the House of Lords. Hitherto he admitted it was un-
satisfactory to find so great a part of the space occupied
by others, but he would not approve of the present ar-
rangement unless there was an undertaking that persons
who had no right to be there should be excluded. The
Hon. Gentleman objected to the resolution. He (Lord
J. Russell) had always thought the great inconvenience
arose from the persons following the Speaker being
pushed back by others who crossed into the rank, and
if that practice were allowed to continue it would be un-
fair to those gentlemen who were intercepted.
After a few words from Mr. D. NUBBLY. and Colonel
SIBTHORP,

Viscount PALMERSTON said there was nothing new
in the proposed arrangement, which was exactly the
same as that resolved on upon the occasion of her Ma-
jesty's coronation. The Committee were establishing no
new precedent by it.
Mr. B. COCHRA.NE asked how long an Hon. Mem-
ber who might be taken into custody would be detained?
He might, perhaps, be kept in custody until the next
session.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that Eton. Gentlemen would
of course be expected to obey the orders of the Howie.
If an lion. Gentlemaa passed in, and was taken into cus-
tody by the Sergeant-at-Arms, he presumed that, on ex-
plaining, ho would be at once released.
After a few words from Mr. liumE and Mr. P. WIL-
LIAMS, strangers were ordered to withdraw, but ulti-
mately no division took place, and the resolution was
withdrawn.

SARDINIA AND NAPLES.
j
Sir DE LACY EVANS rose to put . two questions to
headof
the
that Fur h
e i gt ne Noblee Lord
e and he
- °a
thehoped Noble
fur
would be able to answer thew satisfactorily. It was
Nadi known, upon the , most unexceptionable authority,
tthem'sd aaket the
of humanity
that in consequence of the refuge which Piedmont had
given to the thousands of Italian refugees driven out
from other parts of the peninsula for political causes, the
Austrian Government had seen fit to interfere, and that
the constitution of Piedmont was threatened with
danger. The object of his question, therefore, was to
express a
.hope that the Governments of England and
France united would give ail possible countenance and
support to the Sardinian Government in its efforts to
uphold that constitution.—(Hear.) Ills next question
was on a still more painful subject. It was known to the
House and to the country, on the authority of the Right
Hon. Member for the University of Oxford, that the
present conduct of the Government of Naples towards
those prisoners accused of political offances whom it held
in its power, was at once an outrage against religion,
an outrage against humanity, an outrage againstde-
cency, and an outrage against civilisation.—(Hear.)
Mr. B. COCHRANE—Order, order.
sir DE LACY EVANS—That which ho had anted

was not less the fact. It W 33 in the recollection of lion.
Members that a constitution hen been spent ineou,ly
granted to isi,iples by the King of that country in 18.18;
but that constitutio❑ had since been vielat,,d in the most
6hacnifai manner on every point, and the most summitry
mode of dealing with the L-giqature adopted by the
King—namely, that of imprisoning the majority of the
representativs of the people under that constitution
spontaneously granted. These imprisonments, which
comprehended an immonso number of the most respect-
able classes, included also a late Prime Minister of
Naples.

Mr. B. COCHRANE rose to order. He wished to
know how far the rules of the Howe warranted the Hon.
and Gallant Member in bringing the whole question of
the foreign policy of the country as regarded other
countries under notice?
The SPEAKER ruled that the Hon. and Gallant
Officer was in order.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir DE LACY EVANS had no interest in the ques-
tion exeept that of humanity and justice—(Hear, hear)
—and he regretted that he should have had occasion to
move in the mettee. The Hon. and Gallant Member
then put the second question, which was as follows :
From a publication entitled to the highest consideration
it appears that there are at present above 20,000 per-
sons confined in the prisons of Naples, for alleged poli-
tical offences; that these prisoners have, with extremely
few exceptions, been thus immured in violation of the
existing laws of the couwry, and without the slightest
legal trial or public inquiry into their re„pective cases ;
that they include c.clate Prune Minister and a majority
of the late Nt-apolitan Parliament, as well as a large pro-
portion of the roost resprctable and intelligent classes of
society; that these prisoners are chained two and two
together ; that these chains are never undone, day or
night, for any purpose whatever, and that they are suf-
fering refinements of barbarity and cruelty unknown in
any other civilised country :—it is consequently asked
if the British Minister at the Court of Naples has been
instructed to employ his good ollieee in the cause of hu-
manity for the diminution of these lamentable severities,
and with what result ?
Viscount PALMERSTON—With regard to the first
question, I can only say that her Majesty's Government
attach very great importance to the maintenance of the
independence of the kingdom of Sardinia—(Hear)—and
that they look with much anxiety to the working of the
constitution of that country. But, at the same time, I
am bound to say that nothing had occurred to lead her
Majesty's Government to suspect that this constitution
was in any danger, or that the independence of Sardinia
is threatened with the encroachments of any foreign
power.—(Hear.) The manner in which that constitution
has hitherto worked for the benefit of the people and of
the Sovereign, entitle us to hope that it will continue as
it has been and as it is—a model worthy of the imitation
of all nations—(Hear)—as Sardinia herself affords an
example of good government under its influence, highly
honourable to the Sovereign as well as the people of
that country, and calculated to inspire hopes of its
adoption by other nations.—(Hear, hear.) With regard
to the second question, her Majesty's Government, in
common with all intelligent men in this country, have
learned with infinite pain, from various quarters, a
confirmation of the impressions produced by the com-
munications of the Right Hon. Member for the Univer-
sity of Oxford, in respect to the unfortunate and cala-
mitous condition of the Neapolitan political prisoners.
—(Hear.) It has not been any part of the duty of the
British Government to make any representations to the
Government of Naples on the subject, seeing that it re-
letes to the internal management of the government of
that country; but at the same time I think it right to
say that Mr. Gladstone has done himself great honour by
the course he has pursued in this matter in the first in-
stance, and which he has followed since—(Hear)—for
when we see an English gentleman of station and position
turn'his eyes from the enjoyments which such a city as
Naples affords, arid instead of going to see volcanoes or
cisinterred cities, visiting the courts of justice, visiting
the prisons, descending the dungeons of these prisons,
and examining personally int the cases of the unhappy
victims of illegality and injustice there to be found—
(Cheers)—with the view of interesting public opinion in
Europe to remedy these abuses—this, I say, does honour
to any person. And concurring with the view of that Right
Hon. Gentleman that public opinion duly aroused on the
subject might have that effect, I did think it a part of
my duty to send copies of the pamphlets in quetion to
her Majesty's Ministers at the several Courts of Europe,
with instructions to communicate their contents to the
respective Governments to whom they are accredited,
and by that means to create an influence which may be
more effective than any direct interference of ours, in
promoting the object of the Right. Hon. Gentleman the
Member for Oxford, and the lion. and Gallant Officer
who has put the question.—(Hear.)
Mr. B. COCHRANE rose to address the House
amidst cries of " Order."

The SPEAKER overruled the Hon. Member, and
decided that he could not speak on the subject.
CASE OF ANN HICKS.

Colonel SIBTHORP rose to bring before the House
the case of a helpless female (Ann Hicks), upon
whom not only an act of cruelty had been practised,
but whose reputation had been assailed by a member of
her Majesty's Government, dressed in a little briet
authority. He held in his hand testimonials of
the highest description as to the character of this
poor woman—aspersed by the Noble Lord—who had,
along with several others, been ejected from her means of
livelihood, because of that fraud upon the industrious
tradesman, that curse of the country—the Crystal Pa-
lice.—(Laughter.) He was bound to believe the state-
ment of that poor woman, as she was ready to testify it
on oath; and she asserted that her grandfather had been
the means of rescuing a Sovereign of the country from
immersion in the Serpentine, which was seen by Caro-
line, the wife of George IL, the Sovereign so rescued.
She asserted further that her grandfather held the spot
in the park from which she had been ejected, for 60
years, that her father had held it for 40 years, and that
she herself, on the death of her father, was permitted to
reside in the stone house near the Humane Society's
house, but in consequence of that being pulled down in
Lord Lincoln's time, she was allowed to take up a posi-
tion nearer the well, Mr. Harrison, from the office of the
Woods .and Forests, providing her with stones and
tiles for the building. This was an admission
of right at all events. She admitted that she had been
told she could not live there; bat she was one morning,
at three o'clock, surprised to find her house stripped
and all she had in tire world exposed to the weattier.
She slept there, however, with her infant child, and no
fault was found with her, either by Lord Lincoln or
Lord Duncannon. She lied DO intimation that she
should be driven from that humble dweliing until July,
18.51; and so this pour woman, of spotless character, who
had been most useful in suppl) ing ladies with a humble
glass of water, was expelled from the place which she
had occupied for nearly seven years. It pleased the First
Commissioner of Woods, in the early part of July, how-
ever, to give her notice to quit that residence and find a
home elsewhere. Tuia was in his (Colonel Sibtborp's)
opinion a cruel case, and one whin no man in power
should have acted on. This was not, however, all. She
had built a house which cost her all her savings, but she
was told it she applied at the Office of Woods she would
be compensated. This house cost her 1301.; and, would
it be believed that the only compensation they gave
her was 131., wanting 6el. Why the 61 was kept
back he did not know. Many letters passed on the
subject. In one of them Lord Seymour could
only say, in reply to Mrs. Hicks, that he could
not permit her or any of her family to have a
stall in the parks; but that he was reedy to allow her
ss. a week until she obtained another residence. Mrs.
Hicks then wrote to the Queen, and received for answer
that the numerous claims on her Majesty's privy purse
prevented compliance with her request for relief.
Finally, she wrote to the Duke of Wellington, who re-
plied that he had transmitted her memorial to the
Woods, and that they denied she had had any permis-
sion to construct any building in the park. The Duke
added, that, as ranger of the park, ho could give Mrs.
Hicks no authority to hold a house in the park. All
the remuneration she had, therefore, was 131.—less 6d.
The poor woman, thus reduced to poverty, had been
compelled to sleep for several nights aloag with her
daughter on the pavement; but a generous public had
come forward and contributed more than the Woods and
Forests—it had contributed 75/. to her necessities—of
which 35/. were subscribed by gentlemen of the Royal
Exchange, who knew her character, and sympathised
with her wrongs. She was taken before a magis-
trate, who said she should not be punished if she
would sell no more cakes in the park. He (Colonel
Sibthorp) asked the House would they sanction the in-
justice perpetrated on that poor woman? She was not,
however, the only victim—there were several others who
were made to sutler for that absurd and wicked appro.
priadon of the rights and property of the people—the
Crystal Palace. One man, Denis Heath, had kept a stall
17 years—another, named Lacy, who had kept a stall 20
years, and who was turned out on this occasion. An-
other poor man, of the name of Spicer, who had held a
stall from seven to nine years, was also turned out.
These parties had the sanction of former Commissioners
of the Woods and Forests, and were never before mo-
lested. If anything could espe..ially plead for the poor
woman, Ann Hicks, it was that no imputation rested
upon her character. He would not go further into these
cases, but he would call on the Noble Lord, without any
unkind feeling towards that Noble Lord, but from a de-
termination never to shrink from doing his duty, to ac-
cede to his motion—namely, to grant copies of all orders
or decisions in the case of Ann Hicks.
Lord D. STUART would second the motion, although
he did not agree with all that had been said. His objection
was to the mode in which Ann Hicks had been treated.
He had looked into the case previous to the opening of
Parliament. He had called on the Noble Lord (Lord
Seymour), and had gone through all the letters, and his
opinion was that Ann Hicks had been treated with great
hardship, if not injustice. The case he believed to be
this:—Ann Hicks, her father, and grandfather had sold
edibles in the park for a very long period without moles-
tation. Ann 'licks was removed in consequence of the
proposed Crystal Palace. She was removed summarily,
and even the small house she had erected was pulled
down without compensation. It might be true there was
no written record in the Woods and Forests Office for
permission to Ann Hicks to build her cottage. But it
was undeniable the cottage was built, and bad stood in
the park for a series of years. Every Commissioner
and every ranger must have seen that cottage for years.
Now, what would be said if a gentleman had allowed the
same thing in his park, and had he acted as the Woods
and Forests had acted, would he not he hooted out
of that house? The compensation—the miserable com-
pensation given, if not a gross set of injustice, was in-
defensible, and constituted a hardship on Ann Hicks.
The compensation was 53. a week for a year. Had she
received Bs. a week for her life, that would not have
been too much. It had been said, Ann Hicks gave rude
and saucy replies to the command to turn her out; but,
if that were the fact, a great public officer ought to be
above such petty considerations.—(hear, hear.)
Lord SEYMOUR said, as far as the motion for papers
R 36 concerned, he bad 40 objection to it. Ile would

remind the House, that by an Act of Parliament, the
4.h George IV., c 50, the Comeni,sioners of Woods and
Forests bad no power to allow persons to build houses or
cottages in the parks. However much they might wish
it—however virtuous or exei !lent a poor person might
be—the Cemeeissioners bad no power to allow that poor
person to build in Hyde-park. If there was no such
law, Hyde-park would soon he covered with the cottages
of poor people. Then, as to stalls. Leave to have
stalls was not given by the Woods and Forests Commis-
sioners, but by the ranger of the park. When the
building in the park came under the consideration of
the Woods; and Forests, he forwarded a letter on the
subject to the Duke of Wellington us ranger, so there'
fore he was clear of ony difficulty with respect to Mrs.
Hicks. He believed it was not an uncommon thing for
old women to squat down in the parks, and after they
had been there a little time great difficulty was found in
removing them. Now, with respect to Ann Hicks, she
got into the park by one pretext or another, and when
requested to leave she would not remove. The Com-
missioners of Woods and Forests had no power to allow
Ann Hicks to remain there. lie was obliged by
.an oath
before the Barons of the Exchequer not to permit such
things, and therefore it was impossible for him to tallow
Ann flicks to remain. He was bound by an Act of Par-
liament, and as the trustee of the Crown, it was not in his
power to see old women, virtuous or otherwise, establish
themselves permanently in the park. The parks were
fir the enjoy recut of the public, and not for old women
to squat down in and bulid cottages. If the Act of Par:c
liament allowed such a thing, other old women would
be anxious to build bowers itt Hyde Park, and
a groat
many applications would be made for that purpose'
The Honourable and Gallant Member had declared the
Crystal Palace to he a delusion, and that he bad never
been taken in by it; but it would appear that the 'Dn.
and Gallant Member had been taken iu cumpletelyAnhY
Ann Hicks.—(Liughter,) As to the story a i
Hicks, he bed looked through all the matters connected
with his office. Ile found that her claim reatrd on little
encroachments; that she bad always asked for favour!'
but he found not a word about her right and claim in
consequence of services to George 11. As to the man:
meat of her house in Hyde-park being broken opert,'a
the officers, that was totally untrue. Legal measures had
taken tor her removal after her refusal, and on the first
steps being taken, Ann Hicks conceded and gave way'
As to the whole story about George 11., and her claim on
that account, as far as he could see, it appeared to biro
to be totally untrue. What was her claim? She got the
first step by thception—she wanted a wooden house; 6"
got it—she wanted the house made larger, she got leave;
but the wooden house would not answer her purpose-4h:
had it increased in size, and this was the way she at last
got to a stone house with a small garden. Bat it might
h
be said, " Why turn her out?" Because tte first en;
croachutent was contrary to Act of Parliament and against
regulations. Fur instance, to open a shop at night
is
the park, when doubtful characters were about, as "1
notoriously the case, was, to say the least, incoovenie4
after the park gates were locked. It was obviously his
duty to take care that no encroachment took place in the
park, and especially encroachments connected with irre
gularities. It was his duty, under the circumstances, tl
communicate with the ranger, and to cause the remove
of Ann Hicks. If the House of Commons were anxious
to preserve the parks to the public, they must take care
and prevent encroachment.
Mr. G. HUDSON could speak from his own km°//i
ledge to the great propriety of Ann Hicirs'e condos
while she had the stone house in the park. He c°l°,l,,
dared she had been hardly used. It might be right "i
remove her, but if so let her have adequate said nc:
inadr quate compensation. Ann Hicks had told hint the
same tale she had told the Hon. and Gallant Mena°
(Colonel Sibthorp); and certainly, from what he kne,
l
of her, he could not help thinking her case was one
great hardship. He was surprised to see the buildiog
erected—ho was surprised this should have been Pe'cj
mitted, and that then she was turned out. lie feared
the Noble Lord had been misled by interested parties'
:
He hoped, however, the Noble Lord would give toot
compensation.
The motion was then agreed to.

GREECE.
Lord D. STUART said when the treaty with Great/
in 1832 was executed by France, Russia, and this CO„°°'
try, a loan was at the time granted by the three (s°9
vernments. A stipulation of a peculiar character viil
introduced into the convention, by which it was Pre:
fanned this country would never be called upon for 111:,
payment of money on account of that loan, and yet t°
practical working of that stipulation was such that Pt,
land was called upon to pay 40,000/. on account of W"
Greek Government. He wished, therefore, to ask the
Noble Lord at the head of Foreign Affairs with refer
ence to the effect of the 3d article of the convention °f
1832, whether the Government will take into considerilv
lion the propriety of appointing a Commission to inquire
into the manner in which the sum paid annually ht,
England. France, and Russia, on behalf of the GoyerF;
meat of Greece, had been expended; and to ascertsh3l
what manner it would be desirable for the interest °f
Greece to lay out that large sum of money for t."'"
future?
Viscount PALMERSTON replied it was quite o'l
by the treaty of 1832 the English Government thougl,ii
they had taken security against any liability of th
country for the debt of Greece. It was stipulate
with a view to that object, that the revenue;
should be applied to dire barge liabilities before
any portion was taken for the service of the
State. Teat stipulation, from first to last, b,11.,
been disregarded, and the consequence was that
had been incurred by the three powers. This bad been
a subject of representation by different Governments'
and communications with France and Russia bad bee
made; but he was sorry to say those representation.
and those communications had not yet led to any result'
Tuffs was the less excusable on the pant of the Greg
Government, because if they properly managed "Th.
fluancial affairs there would be ample funds wherov:.;
to meet their engagements. The liability of this colony,
occurred from irregularity in the management and e 0 1s
leetton of the revenue, and the reckless expenditure
it when collected. He was afraid great laxity in Ihn;
be
respect arose from the indisposition on the part of led
Greek Government to submit to the constitution fore, *bo
upon them, which was found very much to diminish
financiel resources of the country. Circumstances red
curred last year, as the [louse were aware, that rend
it difficult for her Majesty's Gevernment to prat
he
thiscould quesassuretion on
the Hon. Membf the attf Liana or
h t thee omatter shouldther powers;
nn'
eee,
be lost sight of, and teat communications should be
tered into with the two other powers, France and Kos'
sia, with the view to make an impression on she Sense of
right and justice of the Greek Government.

INCOME-TAX.
Mr. HUME had always given his humble efforts t°
make the income-tax more equal and less oppressive;
bnt had never been able to succeed thoroughly. It he
etch the view of having the tax reconsidered, that I
' made an effort to get the tax renewed for one year only
Iter the Chancellor of the Exchequer had openly de
Glared he would make no alteration in it. He had sec-
ceeded in May last in getting the tax limited to one I°l3
in order that a Committee might look into the tax.
Committee had been appointed, and he would venture
say that no Committee had ever been more delayed, „°
e
more opposed. What bad taken place? The Come:lib:a
had met nine times, and seventeen witnesses had be:,
examined, the majority public officers. There w-0
not one witness who gave evidence whose evidence
ought not to be before the public. The Committee
had before them the way in which the assessors carried
out the law, and one assessor particularly well P°l°tee
out how inconveniences and inequalities might be
remedied. As the session was near its close' "ibis
had submitted to the Committee propositions to t-
effect, that the evidence should be published. The 9°T;
mittee consented to the first and the last, and struck 6/17,
the second one, which defeated his intentions. lisi.°,%l 0
contended that this was treating him unfairly, and - 9
tiote-
the public, who were deeply interested in the way ute
Uwe was raised and expended. He had looked Ito
history, and had found that the greatest disasteravre
nations took their rise in financial difficulties. 3,1
warned the Ministry that taxation was on an tinsel!,
o'7
basis; that danger would arise unless it was pinned
sounder and a fairer basis. He considered the inclunio,,
j,
before the Committee a matter of great importance, II it,
if properly conducted, great results might flow teem., r
He was astonished that the Chancellor of the Excheel'e,
and his two nominees should have voted in the C°o
e)
mittee against printing the evidence. He (Mr. thiThe
had, however, got the evidence, and go forth t°
uld
public it would, in souse shape or other, though he 11°00
prefer that it should do so with the authority et .
00
House. tie begged to move that the evidence taken
fore the Select Committee for inquiring into the ine°l33e.
tax be laid upon the table.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER CO;ngvle6
tulated the Hoe. Member on his being again able, The
his recent indisposition, to appear among them. the
Hon. Member was quite correct in stating that
ice
question whether the evidence should be printed "the
discussed by the Committee, and that they Caine tO
in.
conclusion that it was so incomplete that it would betoe
expedient to lay it before the House. The Hon. e`inci.
her had talked of the mejority against printing the-t
to
deuce as an unnatural combination; but he outenticl the
have forgotten the unnatural combination by *o;d not
motion for the Committee was carried. He e the
know to which of the members of the Comeolltechane
Hon. Member alluded when he spoke of his (th°,l the
cellor of the Exchequer's) nominees having vote"' in
other.
majority. He had certainly named two of the mern
but one of them had voted one way and one the Tease
He thought there could be no doubt that the I",' tbe
ought to refuse to interfere with the decision et., a
Committee. He thought the Committee had cometr.,,
wise decision, as the evidence in its incomplete "1"-
ought not to be made public.
aid
Sir J. WALMSLEY supported the motion. ee —° swoe
it was quite true that the division in the ComenitT Iwo
7 to 4, but three cif the members besides the cha'r
were absent.
Mr. WILLIAMS also supported the motiotb
feared that the object of the Chancellor of the Exe,'Dx
quer in suppreeeieg the evidence was to continuo the
in all its injustice and in, quality-
Lord J. RUSSELL, in relerence to an observal4°: °ift
the lion. Member for Montrose, reminded him that a
would be irregular and a contempt of the authority
the House for any ono to publish
s©
evidence..
et, on a
Mr. URQUHART expressed his surprise th ya.e op'
question of this sort he alone should be left on
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position benches. ocollor
Colonel THOMPSON felt sure the Ch
4. the Exchequer wished to preserve the incoble-toa'sri;
moutrica
He thought his Hon. Friend the Member for
laboured under a fallacy with regard to what he tailed
temporary income. If an income from industry •it
temporary, it was taxed temporarily, and if perpottimi fair
was taxed in perpetuity, which way exactly th° 11"
thing to be done. Ho should vote with tho Chancell"
of the Exchuer on this uestion.
The Rollieqe then divided,q when there uPPB3red---.-1-