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over and over again. It was neither for the
interest of the Church nor the public that
the several claims of the lessees should be denied for
the sake of increasing the property of ecclesiastical

corporation.
Mr. BARROW generally approved of the provi-
sions of the Bill, and thought that it would
benefit both the Church and the public, by
enabling the ecclesiastical corporations to buy up
or enfranchise leases, and devoting the proceeds
towards promoting the spiritual welfare of destitute
districts.

Sir .M.,CHOLMELEY was convinced that this Bill
would be looked upon out of doors with great distrust
if it was smuggled through the House within two days
of the termination of the session. Many lessees had

abstained from petitioning against it because they
had been assured that it would not be pressed this

session.
The amendment was then negatived without a divi-
sion, and the Bill read a third time.
On the motion that the Bill do pass, some verbal
amendments were made in several clauses, and two
clauses added to the Bill, the first providing that the in-
terests acquired by lessees should be subject to the
equities, and bound by the covenants of renewals to
which their leases may be subjected; and the second
providing that the leaseholder's interest should not be
purchased without the consent of the sub-lessees, who
have covenants of renewal.

The Bill was then passed.
PATENT LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
The House then went into Committee (progress) on
this Bill.
Mr. WILLIAMS protested against proceeding further
with this Bill, and demanded that it should be with-
drawn with the view of its being renewed next session.
Mr. LABOUCHERE declined to accede to the re-
quest, and declared that it was not the fault of the Go-
vernment that the Bill had come down so late. It had
been considered by an able Committee of the House of
Lords, and as it was calculated to confer vast benefits
upon the industry and intellect of the country, he at-
tached great importance to its passing without delay.
If the House thought the Bill was calculated to work an
improvement, he hoped that it would not interpose any
obstacle in the way of its passing this session. He hoped
that no factious opposition would be offered to its further
progress.
Sir J. GRAHAM disclaimed a desire for any factious
opposition, but he did not think that there was any neces-
sity for Hon. Members to remain mute and leave the Bill
to her Majesty's Government in its entirety. Even if they
did so, he could not see what prospect there was of pass-
ing the measure this session. If the other House showed
the slightest disposition to differ from the very extensive
alterations which had been made in this House it would
be quite impwsible to get the Bill through.
Mr. LABOUCHERE was afraid that at least one
function of "mutes" was sought to be exercised with re-
spect to this Bill—that of strangling.— (Laughter.)
Sir DE LACY EVANS was sorry for the course
which had been taken by the Right Hon. Baronet oppo-
site, and he thought the country ought to know that if
the Bill did not pass it would be mainly owing to the op-
position which that Right Hon. Baronet had offered to it.
Sir J. GIS/N.IIAM again disclaimed any factious op-
position to the Bill ; but he was not afraid of taking
upon himself the responsibility of endeavouring to en-
sure a fair and ample discussion to this important mea-

sure.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL explained that the
Government did not seek to complain of factious oppo•
sition on the part of Honourable Gentlemen opposite,
but he pointed out that if discussions were reiterated on
every simple point, it would be impossible to pass
it this session. :Now, that the question of colonial
and foreign patents had been abandoned by the
Government, the only object which the Bill now em-
braced was to cheapen and facilitate the obtaining pa-
tents, and he appealed to the House, as it was almost
unanimous on this Tat stion, troy to defeat the Bill be
lengthened and reiterated opposition.
Lord PALMERSTON considered that it was entirely
out of order discussing on the 18th clause the general
principle of the Bill. He accused the Right Honourable
Baronet opposite (Sir Janne Graham) with being
a party to a very disorderly proceeding, fur
to discuss the principle of the Bill on clauses was not
consistent either with the usual practice or orders of the
House.—(Hear.) He appealed to the House whether
its time might not be employed to greater advantage by
going on with the clauses.—(Hear.) It this were done
it was still possible to pass the Bill into law during the
present session.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM denied that he was either
out of order or had offered any factious opposition to the
Bill. His observations were strictly germane with the
question before the House.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said nothing was further from
his intention than to accuse Hon. Members of taking a
factious course in opposition to the Bill. All he said was,
that if Members persisted in discussing every clause,
and starting general questions upon each, it was appa-
rent that the Bill could not pass before the close of the
session.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS condemned the Government for
pushing such an important measure through the House
at the eleventh hour. He contradicted the statement of
Mr. Labouchere that he was the only Member in the
House who was opposed to cheapening the price of ob-
taining patents. His whole object was to prevent persons
obtaining patents for worthless articles.
Mr. RICARDO was willing to sacrifice his whole in-
terests as a patentee, in order that the whole system of the
patent laws might be altogether abolished.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL observed that the
Bill left the patent laws entirely where they stood at
present, it being confined to legislation in regard to the
cost of patents.
Mr. HENLEY considered the House had great rea-
son to complain of the Government. The President of the
Board of Trade had thrown the responsibility of delay
on the House, but the fact was, the clauses might have
been got through by this time had that Right Honourable
Gentleman not made certain observations as to Members
availing themselves of the forms of the House in order
to prolong their opposition.—(Hear.)
After some further observations,
Sir J. GRAHAM thought it right the public should
understand that the real cause of the delay was to be at-
tributed to the Government. Hon. Members had been
led astray on the subject under discussion by the impu-
tation of motives which were thrown out right and left
by the President of the Board of Trade. He hoped the
irregular discussion would now terminate, and that the
House would proceed calmly to consider the clauses of
the Bill.
Lord PALMERSTON again accused Sir James
Graham of being out of order, observing that when a
charge was disclaimed by an Hon. Member, it was
against the rules of the House to again refer to the
subject. Ile denied and repudiated the imputation that
the Government had obstructed the measure by intro-
ducing topics which did not belong to the subject under
immediate discussion. That charge rested with the
other side. It the measure did not pass, the public
should know that the fault rested not with the
Government, but with the Right Honourable
Baronet and those who took part with him. On them
rested the responsibility, and he (Lord Palmerston)
would not accept it on the part of her Majesty's Go-
vernment, who were there to do their duty.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said it was u,elese g.dng on with
the Bill under the circumstances.—(Cries of " Proceed,"
and "Go on.") He was entirely in the hands of the
House. If anything had fallen from him to which ob-
jection might be justly made, he begged to express his
regret, and to withdraw what he had said.
The clause as amended was then agreed to.
Clauses 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, and 24 were agreed to;
,and after a brief discussion,
Clause 25 was struck out, on the motion of the
ATTORNEY-GENERAL.
On clause 47,
Sir J. GRAHAM wished to know the probable
amount which would be required to give compensation
to persons for loss of office under the Bill. He en-
tertained a strong opinion that the patent laws would
soon disappear from the statute-book, and supposing
that opinion to be correct, the compensation
awarded to these officers, instead of coming
out of the funds voluntarily paid by
persons who wanted patents, would fall on :Abe public
purse. He confessed that be had himself made a mis-
take in regard to the compensation of the six clerks in
Chancery, but the error be had committed ought to act
As is caution to the Government not to proceed with the
clause without some consideration.
The ATTORNEY•GENERAL said, as many of the
old officers would be employed under the new system,
,the amount of compensation would be very small.
.Mr. C. LEWIS also considered that the compensation
would be very limited in amount.
_Ur. W. WILLIAMS thought the Government ought
to give a more explicit answer to the question. He re-
collected that the Six Clerks' Bill was brought in at the
rep of a session and pushed on with great haste. Ia
reply to a question which he put, one of the Government
of that dszy answered that the compensation under the
Bill would be between 5004 and 700 L a-year; but the
fact was that these clerks received about 7,000/.
out of the Consolidated Fund. The most reprehensible
part of the proceeding was, that the compensation was
paid for seven years after their death.
After some further discussion,
Mr. LABOUCHERE promised that the Government
would consider the subject, and state what alterations
they proposed in the clause on bringing up the report.
The clause was then e"rced to.
The remaining clauses and the preamble were then
passed, the House resumed, and the Chairman reported
progress.
REGULATIONS TO BE OBSERVED AT THE
PROROGATION.
Lord J. RUSSELL brought up the report of the Se-
lect Committee appointed to inquire into the arrange-
ments, on the occasion of this House being summoned
by her Majesty to attend the House of Lords, which
stated that the Committee had come to a resolution, that
in order to ensure regularity, all Members who wished
to attend the opening or prorogation of Parliament
should give previous notice in writing of their
intention to the clerk of the House. That the
Cabinet Ministers should immediately follow the
Speaker, and that the names of the other Members
should be put into a glass, arid that the order in which
they were drawn should regulate the position which the
Members ought to occupy in the procession. The rcso-
ltuhteionn
otuusrethocfrLrotrqdus.ired that Members should not cross
or recross any of the passages between this House and
Lord JOHN RUSSELLsaid he had now to move
that the report be printed, and tomorrow he should
that such a seransi:ieP
this L
move that it be ad
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ter:. It was exceedingly desirable
at the opening of
Mr. V. SMITH said
to raise to the report took
keeptiloances
many Members out of town:Z=ll,las there were
time to take advantage of the batl:t, but anortatureotuurrnhaind