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AND TENANT BILL.

Lord KI.NNAIRD moved the Committee on this Bill.
The Earl of HARDWICKE thought that facilities
ought not to be given to landed proprietors to burden
their estates,;which burdens their children would have to
pay after them. He moved that the Bill be committed
this day six months.
Lord KINNAIRD thought that all the objections
which had been made to this Bill could be met by amend-
ments to be proposed in Committee.
The Earl of LONSDALE thought the Bill would be
of very great use, but there ought to be some guarantee
against an abuse of its powers.
The Earl of GALLOWAY said that in the part of
the country with which he was connected some such
measure as this was very much wanted.
The Duke ut CLEVELAND thought the Bill ought to
go into Committee.
The Earl of MALIIESBURY
was opposed to the
principle of the Bill.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM did not approve of the provi-
sions of the aid.
Lord BEAUMONT considered the Bill to be most
obj,,etionable. There was to be no estimate made of
the int:tressed value expr wed to result from these im-
provements. The tenant fur life had no right to charge
the property of the remainder man.
Lord KINNAIRD replied.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and their
Lordships divided, when there appeared—
Contents .•• 154
Non contents
Majority
The Bill is therefore lost.
anew Lordships then went into Committee on the
Landlord and Tenant Bill. Several amendments were
agreed to, and their Lnrd4hips resumed.
CONVOCATION.

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Lord REDESDALE gave notice that he should on
Friday briug forward his motion on the subject of Con-
vocation.

ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES BILL.

This Bill w 4,, brought up frcm the House or Commons
and was rZad a first dole.

JOTEE PERSAUD.

The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH, in moving for a re-
turn of the names of persons committed to and dis-
charged from the gaol of Agra b,tween the 11th
and the 7th N3vember, 1850, fpecifying in each case !the
magistrate by ',Anse authority each such committal
or discharge took place, togtther with the grounds, if
any, assigned for the same in the warrant, said,he was in-
duced to wake this motion because be understood certa in
persons had bee❑ committed to prison, and others had
been di'charged ft orn prison, because they had refused to
give or had proffered evidence against Jotee Persatd.
In fact, evidence had been suborned.

(LEFT SPEAKING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were
considered and agreed to :
Saint Patrick's Cathedral (Dublin).
York, Newcastle, and Barwick Railway (Abandonment
of part of Bishop Auckland Branch, Sce.)
York, Newcastle, and Berwick Railway (Branch to West
Durham Railway, &c.)
The following Bills were read a third time and
passed
Cameron's Coalbrook Steam Coal and Swansea and

Loughor R%ilway (No. 1.)
Cubitt's Estate.
Kensington Improvement.
Wexford Free Bridge.
The following Bids were agreed to:—
Farmers' Estate Society (Ireland).
General Reversionary sod Investment Company.
Lincolnshire Estuary.
Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midland Junction
Railway.

Mr. DUNCAN supported the amendment. The
House-tax, in its present shape, would not operate in
any way as to relief to Scotland.
Sir G. PECHELL quite agreed that all exemption
to the tax was bad, and for that reason he more strongly
advccated the total abolition of the tax.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said from the statement made
by the Chancellor of the Exchequer that all exemptions
from the tax were bad, it was clear that a new light
had broken upon him. He therefore called upon the
Right Honourable Gentleman to abandon the present
tax altogether, especially when he looked at the
present state of the revenue. He was quite sure that
instead of the house tax diminishing the revenue it
would considerably inorease it.
Mr. PACKE was also in favour °fait total abolition of
the tax.

Mr. L. HEY WORTH insisted that the first duty of
the Legislature was to abolish all those taxes that pressed
heavily upon the poor, such as tea, coffee, sugar, &c.
Mr. DISRAELI would be glad to know what was
meant by the statement of the Hon. Member for
Lambeth, that it was the intention of the Right Hon. the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, to reconsider the whole of
the house duty, and report his opinion to them next year.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob-
served that the Hon. Member for Lambeth had given an
incorrect version of his statement. What ho said was
this, namely, that the subject might be re-opened next
session.

Mr. DISRAELI conceived the Bill at present under
consideration was exceedingly injudicious and im-
proper. The house-tax ought to be a complete and
not a partial compensation for the loss of the
Window Duty, and his object in moving the resolution
on Friday was to make such an alteration in the present
taxation as would secure no less to the revenue. How-
ever, there was not much chance of doing that now, and
all he could say for the future was simply this—that if
direct taxation was to form an important feature in our
financial system that the principle of laying on the direct
must be the same as laying on indirect taxation.—(Hear.)
Mr. LOCKHART wished to know what would be un-
derstood by the term " farm buildings" that were to be
exempt from the tax ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—AII
the buildings that were actually used for farm purposes.
Dlr. HEN LEY was rejoiced to hear that explanation.
Sir GEORGE PECHELL inquired what would be
the mode of valuation under this Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had re-
peatedly answered the same question, but he had
no objection to reply to it again. The rule
for the valuation would be found in the sth
chapter of the 48th George 111. If a house
were rated to the poor at a IL of the whole an-
nual value, then the poor-rate valuation would be
adopted, and so on in proportionate valuations in rating
to the poor. In other instances they would have to as-
certain the valuation by the belt means they could.
After a few words from Mr, HuME and Mr. EwuT,
The amendment was negatived without a division.
Clause 2 was agreed to without a discussion.
On clause 3 bAng proposed,
Mr. A. HASTIE moved the insertion of the following
words after the word " that":—" No church, chapel, or
place used for public worship, that no college, museum,
school-house, lecture-room, public library, or place set
apart for educational or scientific purposes, and that no
court-house, police-office, prison, city or county offices.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said if

these buildings were not occupied they would not be
liable to the tax, but if they were inhabited they would
be rated like other dwelling houses.
After a short discussion the House divided, when there
appLare.i—
For the amendment ...
Against it

Majority against...