The Sun.
London, England, 1834-02-08 00:00:00

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would not enlarge on the injustice of the taxes;
well known and universally admitted. As to the course to
he adopted to obtain relief, he would not at present throw
out any suggestion; hut be certainly thought that the
resolutions they had been discussing were by no means
adequate to the emergency of the times. He certainly
approved of delegates from each parish, but with respect
to producing any effect on the House of Commons, or ever:
on the public mind, he did not think that the meeting
together of about one hundred gentlemen was calculated to
effect much good. He advised a public meeting of the
parishes of Westminster, and he thought such a meeting
would be more desirable before the ways and means were
brought fo ward. But he could not help adding, if such
a meeting confined itself to the mere explanation and illus.
tratien of the evils of the assessed taxes, it would not have
any very beneficial effect. He was aware that in a mixed
assembly like the present, a difference in political views
would exist, although they all concurred in one point, and
therefore those observations which he made were spoken
under submission. It was, however, his duty, as their
representative, to tell them what his opinion of the Go.
vernment was, although that opinion might differ from
their own. When first elected for Westminster he had
stated that he felt a want of confidence in the Ministry,
and he told them now candidly, and he would make
his remark good on every public occasion, that he still
felt the same want of confidence in the honest intentions
of Government. Although he never expected much
from them, yet be did feel astonished when he reflected
upon.their pledges and their promises, at the retrograding
course they were adopting, bearing as it did so strong a
resemblance to the repudiated course of their predeces-
sors.—(Cheers.) A short sighted policy was evinced by
the Cabinet, for though composed of individuals, some
of whom possessed splendid talents, yet as a body, they
did not appear so wise as they ought to be. With respect
to the house and window taxes, he considered they were
only a minute portion of that reduction the people of
Westminster were entitled to obtain. The way to get
their fair demands, was to weaken the moral strength and
the political power of the present Government. Many
would doubtless differ with him in politics; but be would
speak his sentiments fearlessly. At a public dinner he bad
said he hoped soon to go to the hustings again, and each
day augmented that desire. He had no objection to state
what his opinions were as to the course to be adopted at
public meetings on the subject of the repeal of the Assessed
'Faxes. The line of debate should not be restricted to
criticisms on the injustice of the taxes ; but speakers ought
to go fully into the conduct of Government, established,
as it had been, with the powerful aid of a Reformed Par-
liament. No Government, for a length of time past, had
been b 9 powerful to do good or evil; and if evil had been
done instead of good, then such Government was doubly
culpable. He saw it clearly. If the people wanted relief
in this, or in the corn monopoly, which taxed them to the
extent of thirty or forty millions in productive industry;
or in the meat prohibition, with other monopolies for the
benefit of the landed proprietor, they would have no
change for the better for many a year, unless a consecutive
determination was manifested to move Government, by
demonstrating to it its deviation and tergiversation from
its pledges, and to remove the Government altogether,
unless it conformed to its professions. He thought it
would even be better for the people if their predecessors
came again into office. There were two Oligarchical
powers still very strong, and the party he belonged to had
not strength enough to encounter with them ; therefore,
in his opinion, unless the two Aristocratical powers were
kept in opposition by alternately offering the reins of Go •
vernment to each, and by not attaching themselves too
distinctly either to the one side or the other, the people
would not obtain any material benefit.

that wa,

Mr. CHAMBERS remarked, that it ought to be borne in
mind, as an attack had been made upon the Government,
that within two years they had reduced taxation three
millions.

Colonel EVANS replied, it should also be borne in mind
that their predecessors, the Tories, whom he should be
sorry to see possess any permanent power, hid, while in
office, removed more taxes, for the amount of their reduc-
tions was four millions.

Mr. CRISP was of opinion the committee mixed up too
much milk and water with their resolutions. The period
bad arrived when they were called upon to act, not only
to make protestations, but to determine to act up to their
letter and spirit, and, if not prepared to do so, then it
was better for the committee to abandon their views, and
no longer delude the country. He considered Sir F. Bur-
dett ought to have sent some answer to the 1.-tter of the
committe, It appeared to him as if he (Sir Francis)
was placing himself in the shoes of Lord Althorp, and
turning his back on them and their cause altogether.
Mr. BROWN defended the committee. They had not
only sacrificed a considerable portion of their time, but
had come forward nobly with their property t,) the ex-
tent of 3001.

Colonel Evaxs observed, that it was impossible for their
representatives to do anything effectual for their relief in
the [Luse of Commons, while they were outvoted ten or
twelve told, unless they were assisted by some decisive
demonstration of constitutional feeling out of doors. He
would judge of the Ministry by their acts.
The CriatamArr rose to order.

Colonel EVANS (warmly)-111 not come into this room
again, if I am prevented from speaking my mind.—
(Chters.) I will not be stopped in this way.—(Cheers.)
After some further remarks, he then went on to say, that
the sort of discussions which had hitherto ensued at the
meetings, were of no use. The members of the Adminis-
tration, ten or twelve years ago, had discussed the same
subject, and knew all its bearings. As long, therefore,
as they found the speakers restraining themselves to tech-
nicalities and the description of their injurious operation,
they would laugh at them and their chime. He did not
throw out such expressions on base or perplexed grounds,
but when it was recollected the sacrifices which the people
had made to obtain a reformed House of Commons, he
thought they had not obtained what they ought to possess.
They bad means, to a small extent, of analyzing the pre-
sent House of Commons. In 1822 a Committee, of
which Lord J. Russell was Chairman, s•it upon the sub-
ject of placemen and pensioners. It was then shown, that
without reference to subsidiary placemen, but only those
who held offices directly from the Clown or Ministers,
there were 89 Members so situated in the House. But,
after three years' fighting, how many direct placemen and
pensioners were now in the House? Why, 86.--(Shame.)
Taking into account officers on full pay, and sons and
nephews of the aristocracy, there were somewhere between
200 and 300 M,rubers dependant in some way on the
Crown. The people, therefore, bad no great reason to
boast of what their late exertions had achieved for their

rights.
Mr. ROGERS said it bad always been thrown in their
teeth, when they asked for the assessed taxes to be taken
off, what they proposed to substitute for them ? Now the
deficiency could be supplied, he thought, without a pro•
perty tax. Reduce the army, and that alone would be
sufficient; but if not, there was public property in mort
main, termed church property, which, under proper
management, would not only cover the amount, but would
in time pay off the National Debt.
Colonel EVANS pointed out a number of remedies by
which the assufred deficiency would be made up. Ex-
tending the legacy duty to landed property would, perhaps,
producea million and a half. A reduction in 'heartily, and a
reduction in the expenditure of the colonies would do al:
that teas needful. On the subject of the colonies, the
illant Colonel remarked, that with the exception of
cert,:in naval and military stations, those colonies which
could not support themselves ought to be given away.
After passing some resolutions, the meeting, at a very
late hour, adjourned.

POPULATION OF CHINA.—The population
of China was in 1393, A.D. 60,545,811; in 1743 .Moutli
157.301,755 ; in 1762, Mouths 198,214,553 ; in 1792
Mouths 307,467,200 ; now, Mouths 252,866 602 on a':
are i of 1,219,719 square miles, being about 288 to th,
.quare mile. This population will not be deemed exit.,
vagant when we remember that in England there are 289 ;
in Ireland 292. and in the Netherlands 320 Mouths to th.
-quare mile, or by looking at the following proportion o
Mouilis to each square mile in Europe and in Chin i :
Netherlands
United Kingdom 278 Austria Pit-
Hesse Darmstadt 29 Prussia ls'
Wirtemberg 269 Hanover l3
Baden - 13.
sieilies
Saxony
Hesse Elec 2 5 Spain
Tusca y ............... ......... 203 Turkey
France 2OO Sweden '3
Rome
Sardinia
Partugal