The Sun.
London, England, 1851-03-15 00:00:00

NEW MINISTERIAL DIFFICULTIES.

Mr. PLUMPTRE wished to know whether it wag
tho intention of the Govern sent to proceed with the
estimates on Monday?

Lord JOHN RUSSELL r eplied that if the debate
on the Ecclesiastical Titles B ill was not concluded this
evening, he would propose to,' go on with it on Monday
next. He would take this op portunity of making a state-
ment to the House with reg. srd to the notice which had
been given, that on Friday next his Right Hon. Friend the
Chancellor of the Exchequer would state what altera-
tions he would make in. his proposed financial arrange-
ments for the year. Since then, namely on Tuesday
last, the Honourable Me tuber for Inverness-shire gave
notice of a vote of censn re on the Government
with regard to their Mini nistration of the affairs
of Ceylon, and, therefore, he
,proposed to postpone that
financial statement until Monk lay week. Ho wished to
state to the House, that as a ye .te of censure against the
Government was now pending, he hoped Hon. Members
who had notices of motion for that day, via, the 25th,
would give way in order that a question so directly af-
fecting the fate of the Govers is vent should b© brought to
as speedy ari issue as pus ible.—(Hear, hear.) He
would likewise say that ho did not thick it was right
while a vote of censure was b anging over the heads of
the Government to propc‘se the financial arrangements of
the year—(Laughter and oho ers)—and, therefore, he
certainly proposed to wait until it was decided whether
they, or any future Government, should bring forward the
financial arrangements of th e year; and he trusted his
Noble Friend opposite, ti..e Member for Bath, whose
motion stood first on the r nper of that day, and the
Hon.• Member for Montri use, who also had a motion,
would givetway, in order to allow the motion for a vote
of censure to come on on the day fixed for it.— (Hear.)

Lord ASHLEY was ur derstood to give his assent.

In reply to Sir R. H. I RGLIS,
Lord J. RUSSELL sal d he would proceed with the
Jewish Disabilities Bill on the earliest day possible.
Mr. M.O()RE (lc ;..rrcate d the course sus,4ested by the
Noble Lord, of postponing so many rocasufe:; of financf,,
taxation, and other measly !es of great public importance,
which ought to be 0904 lured with great deliberation,

and without the least mixture of heat and passion. He
would offer nothing like a factious opposition to tt,e
Government.—(Laughter.) He declared ho would
not accede to any factious opposition except under
reasonable circumstances—(Continued laughter)—but
if an attempt were made to postpone the pressing busi-
ness of the country there was no course, however facti-
ous, which he would not consent to.—(Renewed
laughter.) He should like to know whether the
Honourable Gentlemen on the benches opposite were
a real Government, or formed a mere provisional
machine, or automaton, designed for their oppression.
He should like to know, while they were oppressing
them, whether they were doing so in due course
of law, and according to the practice of the country.
If the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill were pro-
ceeded with this evening he should move
that the debate be adjourned.—(Laughter from the Irish
Members.)
Mr. O'CONNOR thought the proposition of the Noble
Lord to postpone all business until the vote of censure
was decided a very great compliment ou the House.
Lord J. RussELL said what he stated was this—that
on Friday, the 21st, his Right lion. Friend would be
able to propose any alteration he had to make in the
financial arrangements of the year, that he would
then proceed with the army estimates, and that
on Monday, the 24th, he should proceed with
the question as to the continuance of the income-
tax. The Hon. Member for Stamford had
given a notice with respect to that tax, but, as on Tues-
day, the 25th, a vote of censure was on the paper,
it would be very inconvenient for the House
to decide the question relative to the Income-tax
on that day, or before the vote was proceeded with.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS thought recent proceedings
showed the necessity of altering the rule of the House,
which required 40 Members present before a House could
be made. He himself had a motion on the paper of the
greatest importance, involving an expenditure of seven
millions of the public taxes, which were expended in
direct violation of constitutional principles. In conse-
quence of that ho should be reduced to the ne-
cessity of bringing on the question on going into
Committee of Supply.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
was quite as disappointed as the Hon. Gentleman could
be that there was no House. The money which the
Hon. Member had said was expended in an unconstitu-
tional manner he might take the opportunity of stating
was expended in conformity with Act of Parliament.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he wished to ask the Noble
Lord, on whom he relied to make a House? The Noble
Lord had important business on the paper—the relief of
the Jewish disabilities—a question which he had groat
difficulty in getting out of last session; and now, when it
came to the push, he slipped out of it in this
way. It was the duty of the Secretary of the Trea-
sury to make a House, and he might just remind the
Noble Lord of what Canning had said on the subject,
that it was the duty of the underling of the Treasury,
first to make a House, next to keep it, and thirdly to
cheer the Minister.—(Laughter.) He hoped the Noble
Lord would have this advice stuck up in all the Govern-
ment offices.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was generally the
Government who suffered most when a House was not
made. With reference to last night, he could only say
that he had expected that a House would be made, and
the Secretary of the Treasury had assured him that ho
had taken every means of making a House.
After a few words from Mr. BARNARD,
Mr. HAY TER, (who was received with mingled
cheers and laughter), said that he himself had taken all
the usual means of making a House, but un-
successfully.—(Hear, hear.) He had expressed his
regret to the lion. Member for Lambeth that he had not
been able to obtain an opportunity of making the charge
which he wished.
The matter then dropped.
The motion that the House at its rising adjourn until
Monday next was then carried.
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