The Sun.
London, England, 1833-03-08 00:00:00

CLONNIEL ELECTION.

Mr. O'CONNELL rose to call the attention of the
House to Mr. Runayne's petition, for time to enter
into recugnizances on the Clonmel election. With_
out the greatest inconvenience, arising from the time
when the assizes were held in that town it would be int_
possihle to call together the witnesses. He did not anti-
cipate any opposition to the petition, especially as the
agent of the sitting Member had been furnished with a
copy of it. He, therefore, moved that the order of the day
for appointing the ballot on this election :or the 21st of
March, be discbergeil, for the purpose of postponing it.
Colonel PERCEVAL did not rise for the purpose of
opposing the motion, but Daly for the purpose of request.
ing, that an early day after the rec.,ss might be fixed fur
taking the matter into consideration, in consequence of
the expenses that would be incurred.
. .

Th; order of the day was then discharged, a.2:1 ap-
pointed for reconsideration an the 16th May.

IRISH PETITIONS.

Mr., GOLILBURN wished to ask the Noble Lord
opposite a question, which was eosinected with the
convenience of the House. On a former necasion it
was certainly understood that this (lay at least. the
early part of it, was to be exclusively devoted to the pre-
sentation of petitions, with respect to the Bill for pre-
votinz disturbaoces in Ireland. He (Mr. Goulburn) un-
derstood that the presentation of petitions on that sub-
ject had not been concluded on that day. He wished
thrrefcre to know whether Monday would be fixed zo
proceed with the presentation of those petitions, or wits.
therit would be an open day.
• Mr. O'CONNELL wished to state, that there were an
immense number of petitions on the subject yet to be pre-
sented—far more in number than the House had hitherto
received.

Lord ALTHORP observed, that the proposition he
intended to submit to the House WWI thi., that in case the
debate on the second reading of the Bill be conelttded that
evening, the,n he proposed that the House should sit to-
morrow, to receive petitions. Bat in case the debate on the
second reading should not be concluded, the House should
sit to-morrow morning for the purpose of continuing the
d
bate, and, in that case, he should suggest that, on !lion-
day the came understanding should take place as existed
to-day, that no petition should be printed except those that
bad reference to the Irish Bill.

NORWICH ELECTION.
Lord STORPSONT said ha could not avoid address-
ing the House xi the subject of a petition that
had been presented a few days azo, against the
return for Norwich. This petitioners in ih4t petition,
stated, that many acts of bribery had been corn-
rinitted, and prayed the House to direct a Commission to
'.oxamine witnesses to, ascertain these' ficts. Ile (Lord
s.7tormorst) could nut bat 'obserire; that the Bight
Hon. Member presenting that petition, had not given him
any notice of his intention to do so. He attributed ti at
neglect to the Hoc. Gentleman being a youn.-, Alembtr,
and not acquainted with the practice in that resp:et

was true that he (Lord Stormont) was aware that such a
petition was in the coursa of signature, but he considered it
of so ab•urd a nature that no Hon. Member would be found
to present it. AQ, however, the Hon. Gentleman had un-
dertaken that task, and as he had presented the petition to
the House at a time, in consequence of having no notice,
when those against whom it contained calumnies, had no
opportunity of refuting them, he had thought it right thus
far to bring the matter before the attention of the House.
When, however, the petition was brought under conside-
ration, he entertained no doubt he should be enabled
to refute all the calumnies which it contained.
Mr. GROTE could assure the Noble Lord that his not
having given him notice, had arisen from pure omission.
In future, however, he would take care to he more careful
on that point.
GRAND JURIES (IRELAND) BILL.

Lord ALTHORP mm•ed the order of the dad• for the
second reading of the Disturbances (Ireland) Suppression
Bill.

On the question being put,

Mr. STANLEY rose, and said he hoped that no ob-
jection would be made to permit the Grand Juries
(Ireland) Bill to be read a second time without discussion, in
order that it might be forwarded a stage, and he fully
discussed hereafter. The second reading could be done at
once before the other Bill came on for the secotiel reading,
and he should propose to refer it to a Select Committee.
Mr. O'CONNELL thought that the course suggested
by the Right Hon. Gentleman with regard to a Bill
of that kind was the best that could be adopted. Every
Hon. Member was agreed in one point that the
Irish Grand Jury Laws required amendment, and the
proper course to he pursued would be, to discuss it in
Committee.;: He was, however, of opinion that the Bill,
as it was at present prepared, would not effect all the good
objects that were intended, and that it would require consi-
derable alteration to make it a❑ efficient measure.

Mr. LALOR urged upon the Right Hon. Gentleman
the. necessity of appointing on the Select Committee such
Members as were acquainted with the circumstances
attending the present Grand Jury Laws of Ireland, and
who were likely to understand the nature of any sug-
gestions that might be made.
Mt. SHAW thought the proposition of the Right
Hon. Gentleman a very convenient one, but while he, and
many other Members, felt obliged to that Right Hon.
Gentleman for the pains he had taken on tl.e subject, many
persons better acquainted with the Grand Jury Laws than
himself, had very serious objections to some pats of the
Bill. He (Mr. Shaw) begged that it would be un-
derstood, that, while he and others nff•red no objet•
thin to the second reading, they did not consider
that they were bound to offer no opposition to the Bill.

After a few words frtm Mr. ROCHE, which were in
audible in the gallery, the Grand Juries (Ireland) Bil
was recd a second time.

Mr. STANLEY, in moving that the Bill be referred to
a Select Committee, stated that he had placed on that
Committee gentlemen indiscriminately from all parts of
Ireland anti of all parties, for he could assure the House
that his Majesty's Government had a sincere desire t.) ob-
tain information from all quarters.—The Select Com-
mittee was then appointed.