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tacked'taek and he was in a condition to inform the House,
had b
n the first year in which that Right Rev. Prelate
ten appointed to his see, he had made a sacrifice
?` 10 per cent, of the value of the see. He considered
it of great importance, should her Majesty's Govern-
ment aPeoint the commission, that they shculd not act
mere
en they ue est'o' which had been thrown out, that the
hi'lloPeiegre ita " creatures" of the State. Ho
dialled that. The bishops were the oldest estete in the
rdealne--their property was the oldest, and the House, in
etlieg with it, should deal with it considerately, and
not desk- the suggestion that they were mere " creetures
e, the State' —a suggestion which was as unconsti-
Le;oaal in its authority as it was unjustifiable.
t ere 4r• AGLIONBY considered that it was for the in-
tahad
ecell
't of ail parties that where such charges
' ops those charges
as e agamet t e ~
silo
eld be sub t ' d ft It had been said
plot
s anttate or re u den st the bishops had legal and equitable right to the
Proper
Now,
his ty derivable frorostheir sees.—(Hear, hear.)
I:steelleaeue (dr. foreman) bad not denied that they
D`,---; (" Hear, hear," from Mr. foreman)--bat he (Mr.
iir°llhY) was quite sure that no one would say they had
tb"tm'al right to it.—Hear, hear.) It had been said
It his Hon. Colleague was influenced in his state-
bents oa thisiquestionby an unfriendly feeling towards
e Bishop ' Gloucester. But that was not the case.
lie 01) or oucester.
- `don. Friend was influenced in his charges, not
agsinst the Bishop of Gloucester as an individual, but
,e,!' Public grounds• and he (Mr. Aglionby) had no doubt
Tt this was only lcommencement of a series of such
t he ceargs,
Should the
be objects
of such charges; but thought that
subjectlnTairy ought to be instituted into
the' whele
t64r„,' MANGLES called upon the Right Hon. Baronet
finest' alember for Ripon (Sir J. Graham) to answer
a
ion which had been put to him in such terms.
e,-'ll. J. GRAHAM said he was answersreamdoynt.oandLearntyd,
Gee
etstion which might be put by the
declared that the
B. ,tieman as to whether ha had
ni:',°P of Gloucester was under any moral obligation
',la.'s; L,° renew his lease. He would read the resolution to
tt,"'en he was party, and which was extracted from
""e' rai a
fi‘,..
.nutes of ahe proceedings g
:uttinairsion He had, however, thought the timeao dis-
'es• 'would h been when the
3 'his . hive Hon.
k question
- -creber for Cockermouth should move for the papers,
°l' after the papers were presented to the House. The
treklution was to the effect that the Bishop of Gloucester
allßristol being under no obligation, legally and mo-
Y, t 0 deal with this manor etherwise than with any
other •
estate within the tee, the Commissioners directed
their secretary to communicate their wish that the
Tatter should be brought to a close as soon as possible.
House would permit him to say that having formed
fin .
1., °keen that the Bishop had a legal and equitable
1-0411 t to till up the lease, did offer liberal terms far be-
g the market price.
kr. REYNOLDS referred to a concordat between the
'come
of Borne and the Sovereign of Spain by which the
'comes of the archbishops in that " meet Catholic
""Iftite ,e - •
tre ) were limited to 1,6001. and 1,400/. a year,
the
c',°tne of the suffragan bishops being 800/. a year, anhd
We _suggetted that in the case of the Established Church
'hotild follow out or adopt the same scale!
miAfter a few words from Mr. T. B. LENNARD, the
ter
•
dropped.
IjPPLY -,CONSULAR ESTABLISHMENTS.
'The Et
at. •- Ouse Went into Committee of Supply, Mr. BER-
L in the chair
()n the e •
exceeding
Ist erst vote being put, that a sum not
te el9O/. be granted to her Majesty to defray the charge
tiaasular establishments abroad,
tie, r' URQUHART rose to propose the reduction of
spte 'rote by a sum of 4,000/. The Hon. Gentleman's
tie_ ch was scarcer), audible at intervals, from the imps-
thnce which was evinced by the House. He referred to
I,,:rMEtwer given by the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Pal-
re a'oe) in re 1 to question put to him by the Com-
-gitt,e . p y a
ries which had been appointed to inquire into the sala-
th of had
84c.' The Noble Lord was asked whether
4c 'eh
fo, 0 were appointed consuls
th'gted in respect to the laws of the countries in which
t.eY were located? The Noble Lord said they were under
so'llebli.gation to be cognisant of the laws of such foreign
()tail:l4lM When asked whether they were under any
iescigtition to have a good knowledge of the laws of Eng-
Itt (utile Noble Lord replied they ought to have. Now
tort. Urquhart) believed our consular establishments
it 41° most defective. He had had some experience, and
i3,steere disorganised, more irregular, more disqualifying
ittibim,,_ tor the, performance of the office he could not
serr7e"°- There was no progressive education in the
134 th 6 as in the case of the military and naval services.
ortk4 ' contrary, the French colonial system was well
moat ise d, and those who were appointed to these offices
tt,4l, Possess local knowledge, and passed through a
to .4 of examination. The Hon. Gentleman proceeded
titsew, 3'se the wholelist of consuls, and the salaries
eases end to each, proposing reductions in a number of
4 ototi mle aking the amount in the total cost to the country
• • •
Oa se se'
Nt ',ea question being put, that the amount to be
Lo tend
(148,4901) be reduced by a sum of 4,0001.,
.44rd PALMERS
and hi TON said that the Hon. Gentlemen
to,„ raself had different notions in regard to various
tea4.oo whichie had spoken. The Hon. Gentleman
gm`ght that our consular establishments were ill-or-
etb%_ed and unequal to the consular establishments of
1,5 r countries.
en Now he (Lord Palmerston) was, per-
-11, het ter ter quanned,to speak to that point than the Hon.
cons man. He knew more of the manner in which our
to ttear agents discharged their duties, and he ventured
ke4tri: Without hesitation, that no consular establish-
tett were better regulated than those of Great Bri-
Frazeantl, hovvever well corresponding establishments of
one :hrnight be regulated, ho was quite sure that any
our , ° had held his office would say that the duties of
effLeit"4lsular agents were discharged in the most
Ils ht-il manner. Our consulate was the most efficient,
- which existed. The duties of consuls were
/itri,k heed,
Mers'at-they had to perform duties in regard to corn-
whi tl- matters, and in collecting valuable information,
and to the transmitted from time to time to his office
t4at,t ''" Board of Trade, and he would venture to say
talai h'n Point of efficiency and ability, our consular ehse-
iligh4t-tnlents, instead of censure, were deserving of t
13014 ' aPProbation. With regard to the various ai) ,
the flreents to which the Hon. Gentleman had referred,had
ths,r.et and foremost was that of a person who haddiffer
ette-Isfortune in another country to have a little d . -
Ile with the Hon,Member,and that perhaps had in-
stee .
allies Bat
in his wish to reduce the gentlean's
IQ 4i'i-1 with regard to the appointment of them con-
kale ,Warsaw, he was sure that any one who knew
itvhfe
deal ial`Nenditure for living in Warsaw for an incl. -
4tlett,c;'d,ing the rank of a gentleman, representing a
eetts,-;7 Like this, and compared his salary with that of
lee thr4ing officers of-other countries, they would
ahiQ, et the selary given (1,000/.) was rather below that
tieo, tie
Yo Position required. Tee Hon. Gentleman said
-11"11vh°2 have a consul with only 100/. a year in Paris,
-"yr" ' u° You give a high salary to a consul in War-
kettiv The ansyser was this. In Paris the consul was
ltrel)a; 4 PersoLl who had to fulfil subordinate duties to the
et,
taaetlor. re
C Lie (Lord Palmerston) had given him
hie 444 ot counsel in order that he might perform eer-
y of
~.t. .
„'°oa from'"r routine, but he did not receive his instrue-
;?nas; bne Secretary of State. With regard to the
„'''et t ",:npWallachia, Servia, and Moldavia, all had du-
vetel; Perform which were more of a political than a
7tieti they nature,and the parts of the world in
4ti ''"e3' wer
b'''etast a„ e estabed inc u e
te, "" countries in which it was most important to
and ;teens who could give information, both political
11,til4e,°,%€,reial. Now it had happened that one of their
Nth, !a% absent on a particular occasion from ill-
FIN 4 °tit it was not to be expected that because a man
.Itsa :°°3lll he should never have leave of absence.
L'etni,„4;° consUl-ganeral at Constantinople, the Hon.
""c„ aate,-141 Said that he ought to have his salary reduced,
4,° of; "° (Lord Palmerston) had intended to abolish
i"'ltiare. Now he, being at the time in that state of
sred°'mation in which the Honourable Member ap-
ei,°this the be, did entertain such an idea; but when he
rt''etight e„. importance which attached to the office he
t4,6).1,,' " was Perfectly right to continue it. But if
es ere to have consuls-general, with important du-
% tt;Mtraereial as well as judicial, to discharge, such
te as known the consuls in Turkey were required
Iletilimarge, the salary not more than the duties
to th esPonsibilities were senttled to. With regard
Mat
.e consul at Smyrna,: tie Honourable Gentle-
feed that 6001. a year was sufficient, instead of 8001.,
ree, as the Special Committee on official salaries
S 00(, mended 5,0001, as the salary
for an ambassador,
refer Would be enough for a consul. Therefore, without
Pos,?..ce to circumstances, the Ron. Gentleman pro-
diet 0001, He could not consent to adopt the arbitrary
,eot4 of the Hon. Gentleman. With to the
4 It, 'general in E ypt the Hon. Gentlemanregardobserved,
114taabolish dh g '
._,
Cam that e t e office of consul-general in Syria.'
4t4pc was an appointment which was made after the
Ports '0 in 1841. At that period he thought it im-
aiaciklt to have a person whowasnot r 1
get but a Political .. me ey a commer-
sta, character, of the rank of consul-
exitttp but he tho ht that
klr ' for th tig the same reasons no longer
~ atita e Continuance of that office, and he took
"itis ,„ Re of these facts and abolished the one office,
,yin
ePesiiit, g several hundreds a year to the country, by
n°lslt `lll3 the part as c rent neral at Con.tanti-
syti Egypt y . o.ns -
tie.,,, stood in a dtff position to that of
tote The former
ta we__
gild [we hereditary. The Pacha received a fixed tri-
cer tb,) e e a_s subject to the Sultan. He administered
..,etelii to al arrangements of his province and to a
`titl! whng ghee was governor in chief of the province
ed ti;st°_rt ho was Pacha. The consul general had
*aßept b re to perform both politica and commercial.
nalog; %lig a great thoroughfare fortE l• le 11
.ng ts travellersthere
'were-i to and fro between India and this country, there
ge dwhich tr et consul-general
there hospitali-
r to, en end
greatly upon his income. In r -
that tripoli he (Lord Palmerston) •
.e
abel'°`aeet Th intended to abolish
411 . itien was _ Et proposal before the Treasury for its
~011te the „._ Only waiting for the receipt of information
`'tollapie,tecrthetreweiftshervices of the consul and other facts
etdiederieg the eo 'd• Re was quite of opinion that,
dittiearY consul was
Condition .in which that place was, an
Attiee. required. s sufficient for the discharge of the
eti . In regard to consols" general f
Matt "ea' lt was well k • g . 0 South '
4t, c arid Politico a known that their duties were diplo-
t4l.oskaci why ahi hssvell as commercial. The Hon. Mem-
wheneral of
i hiogtee;e•alarY should be given to the con-
latter 'i,nste.y because'deo than that of Buenos Ayres.
ably-1' Place and there was a plenipotentiary at the
hc, lightest u the duties were consequently consider-
tit °olaqii___P,°ll the consul-general. But so far from
thatlqp,*ci, he (Lord
at Venezuela being inefficient, as he
ijiat gentien_
a(nL9rd Palmerston) could assure him that
leeseraie,les h_eaad_. rendered most valuable and impor-
41ti ic,,,,,:' tan d ling with the Government of that
:II Vau-erub matter of great importance to the
eemilleh the tlnts'There was a law enacted there
7 itl ~at,r)
.Government of 'Venezuela endeavoured to
tdatit, I,„ .
__the property of British merchants;
44,
of arrauerneut af Ltle eutig- , nerd
'4°,erattlen, etllerae, upon the instructions of his own'
" e was enOled to place the lotter upon