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showed more than his usual excitement in his speech.

( Mr. Bright) would not make any observations on that speech—
though it was open to grave animadversion—but would rather
refer to the Noble Lord's letter. That letter was obviously
written under feelings of excitement unbecoming in the
Prime Minister of a great country— with a degree of precipi-
tation which certainly did not raise the Noble Lord's cha-
racter as a statesman. Its inconsistency was its most trifling
feature. The Noble Lord was, in fact, at one time willing to
endow a religion in one part of the kingdom which he now
denounced as a thing dangerous to the supremacy of the
Crown and the integrity of the empire. The Noble Lord, in
that letter, had spoken of something he apprehended more
danger from than from the act of the- Pope; but the Noble
Lord had said nothing of that danger in the Queen's Speech,
and he had come down in hot haste the very first day
of the session—not to combat it, but to propose a
trifling measure. The Noble Lord had appealed to the
bigotry of the country—(Hear, hear)—and he had met
with a ready response from many who were not
bigotted, bat who had followed the banner which the Noble
Lord had raised. The end of the case, however, was still to
come. It was that paltry little measure which the Noble
Lord had brought forward to meet the great emergency
which he proclaimed. That was, in fact, only the first step
to it; and he (Mr. Bright) should not be at all surprised if
the Noble Lcrd, at no distant day, found himself in the pre-
dicament of the man in ancient fable—devoured by his own
hounds. It was, in fact, perfectly possible that the very
measure calculated to acquire the greatest amount of popu-
larity in the Government might end in the destruction of
that Government. He (Mr. Bright) took it for granted that
the case in question was a grave case from the number of
county and borough meetings that had taken place on the
subject; and he should, therefore, strip it of all its external
trappings for the purpose of investigation. How stood the
fact? Ireland at this moment was overrun with Catholicism,
and in England there was likewise a yielding to it—a falling
back. The question of conversion to Protestantism bad,
however, been before the English people for centuries;
and, therefore, the real point to be considered was,
how far the system that had been followed was calculated
to suppress Roman Catholicism, and make this country
that which the Noble Lord boasted it was—a Protestant

people and a Protestant empire. At this moment there
were more Catholics in Ireland than ever; 100 years ago
they were as five to one, now the proportion was greater.
There could consequently be no question that the tendency
of the policy which had been pursued in that respect was to
make Catholicism take a still deeper root in Ireland. In
England it was said Catholicism was increasing, but he (Mr.
Bright) doubted it. He believed that few Englishmen who
were of any faith ever became Catholics; and though he ad-
mitted that there was a great increae of Catholics in Lan-
cashire and other manufacturing districts, still he considered
that it was not indigenous, but was imported from Ireland.
But though there were a great many conversions to Popery
in England, he would not deny they were all to be found
among the clergy of the Established Church. In regard to
the Irish, Church, which was established to exterminate
Catholicism in Ireland, the moat stringent laws had been
enacted from 1690 to 1780 for that purpose; and a relaxa-
tion of that frightful code had only taken place when Eng-
land was engaged in a dangerous war with America. From
1780 to 1829 a gradual process of relaxation had ensued;
but every little privilege gained by the Irish Catholics was
the result of incessant struggles opposed to a most deter-
mined resistance. From the 12th to the 16th century
England was engaged in conquering Ireland; from the 16th
to the 18th century she was engaged in converting her, and
from the 18th century to the present time there was a
gradual relaxation of the penal code.— (Cries of " Hear,
hear.") It was clear, therefore, that the policy which had

been pursued towards that country was not successful.
The Irish Church, now called the Irish branch of the English
Churcb, had for a long period had all the power of the State
in that country, and every advantage of wealth, patronage,
and ascendancy ; but still withal the Irish Catholics were not
extirpated, nor was their religion suppressed, although no act
of oppression had been committed in that country (and who
could reckon them ? ) which was not committed at the insti-
gation, or at least with the full concurrence of that institu-
tion. t was a common saying, that truth was indestructible ;
but persecuted error was equally indestructible. This was
the case in Ireland. If the Church of Ireland, as an ancient

fother of the Church said of the priests engaged in the con-
version of the Saxons, were only half as zealous in the dis-
pensation of kindness and generosity as they were in collect-
ing their dues—sint predicatores non predatores were his
words—the Saxons would have_ been long before converted.

It was the same with the Irish Catholics and the Irish
Church ; and it was capable of demonstration that the system
pursued by that Church was calculated to make the Irish not
only Catholics in faith, but patriots in politics. The result
was self-evident ; the Catholic system triumphed, and
Ireland was now Catholic. This was a just retribution.
How, he would ask, had their legislation acted in this
country with regard to the Roman Catholic religion? There
were symptoms of return to its errors, but where did they
appear ? Were they amongst the people or amongst the
clergy ?—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord at the head of
the Government had told them where they were.—(Hear
hear.) He did not mean to say that the clergy in this
country wished to acknowledge the Pope; but they adopted
some of the principles of. Popery. A clergyman whom he
happened to meet a short time ago had told him that the
great evil of the age was the Protestantism of this country.
—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) He had travelled lately also
with a couple of clergymen, and they had said to him, "We
do not hold the doctrine of the Queen's supremacy at all."—
(Hear, hear.) The Established Church had now been so
established for 300 years. It had been called the bulwark
of Protestantism, and that which, was to defend us from
Popery. Now, he would ask, what were the means which
that Church had at its disposal? He tried to look at the
question with some impartiality. It had the Universities of
Oxford and Cambridge. The Dissenters did not go to Ox-
ford at all, and made little use of Cambridge. It bad two
dozen bishops in the House of Lords. The Noble Lord at
the head of the Government said he was opposed to ecclesi-
,

astical influence in temporal affairs.—(Hear.) Yet they
saw in the other House some twenty-four or twenty-six
bishops who always sat behind the Government.— (Laughter. )
No matter what side Noble Lords might change to, they
always sat there. There was an archbishop with 16,0001. a
year. When it was proposed to bring down that salary to
15,0001. he bad heard the Noble Lord say, with a
coolness which was most refreshing, " I hope this
will be found satisfactory."—(Laughter.) The Noble
Lord, indeed, never proposed to increase the official salaries
of his own colleagues. There was a power about these bishops
and archbishops wherever they went, whether they stayed
at home or travelled. A bishop had been sent to Jerusalem.
He did not travel like an ordinary mortal, but went in a
steam-frigate called the Devastation—(Laughter)—and per-
haps within a stone's throw of that place where the Apostles
lived, in the house of one Simon, a tanner, he landed under
a salute of twenty-one guns.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
When the Bishop of Madras, too, arrived in harbour, they
were told he was honoured with a salute in proportion to his
rank. That Church, thee, had much at its disposal. It had
the Parliament at its back. There was a league offensive
and defensive between the Noble Lord and the bishops.
They said, " Let us alone and we will let you alone."—
( Hear, hear.) And Parliament was to pass laws now for
that institution with less freedom of disscussion than it
had ever formerly exercised. It had the magistracy, the
police, and a vast body of parochial clergy, at its dis-
posal also. He did not wish to bring any charge against
the ministers of the Established Church, for there were
many among them of the most estimable character, and
had they not been so the institution would not have
lasted so long, nor have so much enjoyed the affections
of the people.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Still the
Established Church was one of ascendancy and domination.
It had from one to two millions of income. It had its reve-
nue of millions, and no Parliamentary plummet could ever
sound the chest of its wealth, for the returns sought for by
that House were never faithfully answered. It had Govern-
ment at its back, and 15,000 educated men throughout the
country, and was, therefore, the bulwark of Protestantism.
It was to save the country from Popery; and yet, accord-
ing to the statement of the Prime Minister, it was infected
with Popery itself.—(Hear, hear.) If in any other depart-
ment of the State the machinery had been found so inade-
quate to its objects, would it not be at once abolished? The
Church had been chiefly fixed as it was now by Queen
Elizabeth, who hated the Pope of Rome, because she had re-
solved to be Pope herself at home.—(Laughter.) He con-
fessed he attributed chiefly to her that what had been called
the Reformed Church of England was not thoroughly re-
formed, and that it was not more useful ii the country
than it had been.—(Hear, hear.) Persecutions had com-
menced under it in the reign of Charles I. It had cost that
monarch his head; for prelacy had been so heavy when
united with the Crown, that the Crown had sunk under it.
In Charles ll.'s time the Dissenters had been persecuted,
and many members also of the sect to which he (Mr. Bright)
belonged, both male and female, had been imprisoned and
punished for religion's sake. All that had gone on up to the
time of the Toleration Act. But what was the state of the
Church now? Its revenues were enormous; he believed
nobody knew what they were. That Established Church
had been during all that period the steady and consistent
opponent of every legislative reform proposed in this country.
The Church was a political Church, as its articles showed;
and so long as it remained so it had worked in a man-
ner tolerably harmonious. The danger was now that zeal
had found its way into its ranks, and every honest man
within her was working for her overthrow. What was its
condition? He acknowledged tbat he felt for it himself.
( Hear, hear, and Oh,'oh.) He did feel a sympathy for the
Wesleyan body. With respect to the Church of England
itself, its clergy were split into three or four different sects,
all of whom hated one another as violently as if of different
creeds; and at the present moment there was not a man in
that House could say that the Church of England would last
for one month together as a united Church were it not for
the vast possessions which the Parliament of this country
had placed at its disposal.—(Hear, hear.) The principle
of an establishment must come on in the course.. dof that
discussion. Ireland repudiated that principle, p
land, and so also did Wales; and even in Enugroiantdedaanveersy.
large and growing proportion of the people 9
tablishment and the Queen's ecclesiasticall supremacy.—
(Hear, hear.) What the Noble Lord was proposing to do
on that occasion was a mere sham.—(Hear, hear, and
laughter.) It would be a sort of pretence to bolster up the
Church ascendancy so long maintained in this country. The
sentiments of the Noble Lord about religious liberty
wyer a: an
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very attractive, but they were fAllacio.

ascendant Church in this country which repudiated dissent I laughter.) There are financial reformers present rho may
as well as Catholicism. With respect to the Dissenters draw on, among other things, the diplomatic allowances ki .
in the north of England, no matter what part might have I granted by this country. Now, I coefees, tlettt.__Cheee-
been taken by some of them here, he could say, that with Iso . far as I can form an opinion from s the , epee
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scarcely an exception they held aloof from the uproar made ; rations of a distinguished amateur, I have betirled f 9 fhtb-;;;;;:.(71
on that question.—(Hear, hear,) The Hen. Member then ; conclusion that in the ease of missions, whealar -,1g!*,!1:15k....b
proceeded to read s, me extracts from the life of a Dissenting. secret-- whether for war or peace, or \,cln -\lov., _„,....
minister, the Rev. Dr. Fletcher, late of Stepney, written by religion, it would be better to employ ter --
hi, son, to show that the Established Church had no tole- vices of a professional diplomatist. In m'-
ration for the Dissenters. The extracts mentioned that the the course which her Majestl 's Government lsli aStiag
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Doctor had sent two sermons which he had preached, one taking is not merely one very unsatisfactory as %rat
being on the birthday of the Prince of V% ales, for the the present, but extremely perilous for the future. I
inspection of her Majesty ; but they had been returned by think it a greet evil, after all that has occurred, to baulk
the Earl of Delawarr, who had said they could not be laid the feelings of a nation; but I regard that as a minor evil,
before the Queen, having been delivered to a Dissenting con- compared with the prospect which is held out to us by the
gregation, and not having the sanction of the Established Noble Lord this evening of ulterior rneasnres--(Hear, hear)
Church. A gentleman, who was a namesake of the Noble —and of future intentions. The Noble Lord seemed to me
Lord, but he hoped no relative of his, came annually to to have chalked out for himself an illimitable career, which
strip of its furniture a place of worship at which
he (Mr. is to commence with petty prosecutions—(Hear, hear)—and
Bright) attended, for the support of that Established Church perhaps terminate with national disasters, while it can never
—and that, too, in the midst of a city where there had been accomplish a' solution worthy of a great statesman and a
so much outcry of late about Papal usurpation and religious great public emergency. What is the prospect before us?
doinination.—(Hear.) The Bon. Member for :Sheffield had Suppose there is another Papal aggression, and by the en-
alluded to the United States. He would take an illustration e.o.,ragerrient which the Roman Catholic prelates have re-
from that country. There the Roman Catholic religion was ceived, 1 think we may count on the probable occurrence
chiefly professed by emigrants; and he had been told that of such an event—(Hear, hear, and a laugh)—there is, then,
one rarely heard of a native American ever becoming a to be another measure adapted to the new insult on the
Roman Catholic. Even the descendants of the emigrants, supremacy of the Sovereign. We are then to have passions
after a generation, had passed into the ranks of Protestantism. still more embittered, prejudices still more excited, rancour,
There was a difference, too, in the practice of the Roman hatred, fear, and the odium theologicum, prevalent among all
Catholic religion in that country. To show that Protestantism classes, A new measure would probably produce . another
was increasing in America, the Hon. Member read some aggression, another " blunder of the sudden ;" and these
extracts from a New York paper, in which there was an ac- " blunders of the sudden " may be perpetually recurring
count of two Roman Catholic priests who had a chapel, year after year, to be met by some law "of the sudden."
which they were about to change to a different sort of We shall then have Whigs governing England by a continual
worship. They had lighted candles, put up curtains in the " Popish plot," which is never to be brought to a head. .
window, and one of them, having stated their reasons for Sir, in my opinion the existence of a Roman Catholic
changing, concluded by extinguishing the candles, with- hierarchy, in a Protestant country, not recognized, by the
drawing the curtain, and saying that it was thus they law, is a great political evil.— (Hear, hear.) To reconcile
put out the artificial light which had hitherto guided them, the recognition of such a hierarchy by the law with a sacred
and would let in in its stead the glorious light of day. Such and complete respect for the civil and religious liberties of
was the progress Catholicity was making in America. But Roman Catholics is a political problem very difficult .to solve.
there would be no secession from the Church of Rome as But although it is difficult to solve, its solution is not, in my
long as it was a persecuted Church. The system they opinion, impossible; and that not by concordat with foreign
adopted made it impossible that they could either convert princes, but by the internal and essential power of the Eng-
themselves or let anybody else do so. Lord Burleigh, who lish Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) Ido not say that that is a
did not admire the Dissenters, had said that the Puritans political difficulty which any conscientious statesman would
were so squeamish in their morals, and so scrupulous in have courted—l do not mean to say that it is a subject which
their catechising and preaching, they were the best means a man would have gone out of his way to bring under pub-
of preventing the growth of Popery. Until they got rid lie notice; but I say this, that when a statesman has
of their system the Catholic religion would more or less taken the course which the Noble Lord has taken, he is
spread over all the counties in Ireland, and make further bound to attempt to solve that political problem—he is
progress in this country. The Bill of the !Noble Lord bound to introduce a measure equal to the occasion, and not
would be perfectly inefficacious for the objects for which to meet a great political emergency which he himself has
it was professedly intended.—(Hear, hear.) If the Noble fostered, if not created—(Cheers)—by a technical remedy
Lord was the great agitator in this country, he should unworthy of the dignity of Parliament, and of the occasion
have brought in some real substantial grievance. It was which it pretends to cope with.—(Hear.) That is the view
because he (Mr. Bright) was against all legislation which I take of the conduct of the Government. I will not
which he believed to be useless, because he believed the oppose the introduction of this Bill. I think its introduction
Noble Lord's measure was only fitted to meet the preju- is the severest condemnation of their conduct for the last
dices of some persons out of doors, and not to meet any three months.—(Hear, hear.) But if the House should pass
real evil, that he (Mr. Bright) could not give his consent this Bill, let them remember that thereby they will have
to the present or to any future stage of the Bill.—(Hear.) done nothing. They will still be unable in any way to
Mr. DISRAELI rose and said,— Sir, I wish to recall the
cailftehwe ilhwialllllve exigencye whichwi behethaart meet;etteounwciiltiehave
gained
rhetoric— of the House for a moment from that controversial time—Lo brief to count in the'history ofya nation—only to
rhetoric—(Hear, hear)—of which, I fear, the policy of her have to encounter the same difficulties very shortly again,
Majesty's Government affords the House a considerable aggravated by our inefficiency and the spirit with which we
prospect of a continuance for the rest of the session—l want first recognized our danger, and the craven manner in which
to explain the reason why I shall give my vete for the in-
we afterwards shrank from meeting a difficulty we ourselves
had created.—(Cheers.)
troduction of this measure. I shall do so because I think it Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL was anxious not to give a silent
is a matter of interest that the community in general should vote on this occasion. The question had now assumed an
see what is the result of that remarkable agitation which aspect somewhat different from that which they were led by
has been fostered by the Government, and which the organs of Government daring the recess to expect it
has led, I hesitate not to say, to a national de- would assume. They had been led to believe that Ireland
monstration which, perhaps, has never been equalled. would not be included in the Bill, but now they found Ire-
I cannot but think that, to-morrow, when the land was to be included; and for himself, he must say he
contents of this Bill shall become known to the country, was not sorry for it, because be thought they .
there will be experienced a feeling of great disappointment— ought to share with their Catholic brethren of
(Hear, hear) and a great mortification.—(Renewed cries of England any restrictions imposed on them. More-
" Hear, hear.") Let us remember for a moment what this over, the Queen had supremacy over the Estab-
Bill is intended to combat. It is to combat an aggression. lished Church of Ireland, as well as ever the Church
Let the House remember the origin of that now familiar of England, and any violation of it in Ireland was as much
term—that familiar but fearful term. Was the expression an offence as a violation of it in England. He denied that
of the Minister selected by himself, and offered to the coun- those Catholics who approved of the recent proceedings of
try as a reason for that appeal, both to the passions and the Dr. Wiseman were to be considered as disloyal. There was
reason of the nation, which he in his wisdom felt it his duty no parallel between the late proceedings and the case aup-
to make ? This, then, is the weapon by which the First posed by the Noble Lord, of a person landing in England in
Minister of the Crown, after three months of unexampled setting up the flag of a pretender. The Noble Lord bad
agitation in the country—after three months of consultation referred to the 24th section of the Act of 1829,
with his colleagues—this is the weapon which he has pre- which prohibited the assumption of the titles of Eng-
pared for defending the Church and State from that great lish sees. One would almost suppose, from the constant
aggression which he has so vehemently denounced. I con- reference which had been made to that Act, that it had
fess Ido not think that the weapon is equal to the office for been found efficacious, whereas 22 years had elapsed since
which it is intended. I think that many persons will be of it was passed and it was regarded as a dead letter—a laugh-
opinion that it is a somewhat small result after the antece- ing-stock and not the terror of those it intended to restrain.
dents that had so attracted public notice. Was it for this As for the proposed Bill, it would only create annoyance and
that the Lord Chancellor of England trampled on the irritation. He believed it would be a failure for good, but
cardinal's hat—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear")—amidst not for mischief. The Noble Lord had alluded to the Irish
the patriotic acclamation of the metropolitan muni- colleges. He would assure the Noble Lord if they were in
cipality ? Was it for this that the First Minister, with more any danger it was from the proceedings of the Noble Lord
reserve, delicately intimated to the assembled guests that himself. He knew a great many men in and about Cork
there had been occasions when perhaps greater danger was who, up to November, had held very moderate opinions on
at hand—as, for instance, at that period when the shadow of the subject of the colleges, but who, since the unfortunate
the Armada darkened the seas of England ?—( Hear. ) Was manifesto of the Noble Lord, had begun to change their minds
it for this that all the counties and corporations of England on the subject.
met? Was it for this that all our learned and religious so- Sir R. INGLIS had to ask the indulgence of the House
cieties assembled, at a period the most inconvenient, in order, for a few seconds, as he could not allow the speech of the
as they thought, to respond to the appeal of their Sovereign, Hon. Member for Manchester to pass without remark. That
and to lose no time in assuring her Majesty of their deter- speech was nothing more nor less than a most elabbrate
ruination to guard her authority and her supremacy ? Was attack on the Church of England.—( Heir, hear.) In his
it for this that the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge— usual ad captandum style the Hon. Member had referred to
that the great city of London itself—went in solemn proses- the proceedings of a clergyman of the name of Grill with
sion, in order to offer at the foot of the Throne the assurance respect to the meeting-house to which the Hon. Member
of their devotion? Was it for this that the electric tele- belonged. The Hon. Member did not state whether the
graph conveyed her Mthesty's response to these addresses, clergyman bodily entered the meeting-house, or whether
that not an instant might be lost in re-assuring the courage the furniture was seized by ordinary process of law. If
of the inhabitants of the metropolis ?—(Hear, and a laugh.) wrongfully seized the .process of law might be reversed.
And what are these remedies? Some Roman Catholic priests But in point of fact it was well known to the Hon. Member
are to be prevented from taking tit'es which they had that the seizure was merely the mode by which the lawful
already been prevented, to a very considerable extent, from dues withheld by the body to which the Hon. Member be-
taking by the existing law ; the only difference being that longed were secured.—(Hear.) With regard to the other
now they are to be prevented from taking a territorial title case brought forward by the Honourable Member, he had
which had not been assumed by a prelate of the National never heard of it before. He did not know under what cir-
Church ; while it seems that to that provision there is to be cumstances the application was made, or what were Lord
attached a penalty. But a penalty to what amount? One Delaware's. functions. The usual custom was to forward
of 40s. perhaps. That is not yet stated. A penalty of that to the Secretary of State whatever was intended
amount would, in my opinion, be worthy of the occasion.— for presentation to her Majesty. The Honourable
(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) Is this all? Is a piece of petty Member alluded to what he called the bigotry of the
persecution all that we can devise on a solemn political ex- Church on this question. It was to the honour of the
igency of this vast importance? At the best a great peliti- Dissenters of England that the two first petitions presented
cal exigency is met by a remedy purely technical. Not a on the subject of this Bill were presented by the Hon. Mem-
single principle is asserted—not a single principle is indicated ber for Wolverhampton from the Dissenting congregations.
—and, in my opinion, no substantial evil will be remedied. —(Hear.) With respect to what the Hon. Member had
—(Hear, hear.) But mark the address by which this in- said as to the emoluments, he called them the salaries of the
significant project is introduced. I grant you that between bishops. He had stated over and over again that there were
the project and the proem the difference is most significant. no such things as salaries bestowed by the Minister en
If the Noble Lord had been about to introduce a proposition bishops or dignitaries of the Church. The whole that Par-
for the revival of the penal laws—(Hear, hear)—the pro- liament had done in that respect had been to lessen the
portions of his speech could not have been more colossal.— amount of the hereditary property of the sees. When the
(Hear, and laughter.) Sir, I well remember when the let- Hon. Member talked of the salary of the Archbishop of Can-
ter of the Noble Lord first appeared, in consequence of the terbury being 15,000/., and asked if the Noble Lord was not
appeal which was made to me by my constituents, I recom- satisfied with that, he had to tell the Hon. Member that it
mended them to pause before they acted, and thoroughly to was only so much left out of that which was really due to
understand the question which was at issue. I told them it the Archbishop.—( Hear, hear.) With regard to the Bill
was ipot sufficient to record their loyalty to the Crown, and in question, he should not now discuss it. But after the
hurry on to some hasty, and, probably, some crude act of mention which had been made on both sides of the letter of
legislation, but that this was a wide, a comprehensive ques- the Noble Lord, he should not be doing his duty
tion, and that it was impossible to legislate for England on if he did not thank the Noble Lord for that let-
the subject without at the same time legislating for Ireland. ter, for which not only the Protestantism of this
—(Hear.) But mark the speech of the Minister to-night. country, but the Protestantism of Europe, was much in-
It is no longer the Papal aggression of October or November debted, and also for the speech of the Noble Lord that night.
that the Noble Lord lays down as the foundation of these (Hear, hear.) He wished he could thank the Noble Lord
new laws. I find the Noble Lord going at once to Ireland. equally for the Bill he had brought forward. He felt there
—(Hear.) I find the Noble Lord taking as the basis of his was too much truth in what had been stated by the Hon.
legislation the Synod of Thurles, and not the visit of Dr. Member for Bucks, that the Bill fell short of the require-
Wiseman to England. But after having treated the question meats of the case, but he should perhaps be doing injustice
of the Synod of Thurles in a spirit, I am bound to admit, if he altogether decided against a measure not yet before
worthy of the subject, what does the Noble Lord do? He them.—(Hear, hear.) On the present occasion he was nu-
introduces a Bill which bears no reference whatever to the willing to allow the speech of the Hon. Member for Man
Synod of Thurles—(Hear, hear)—or any synodal action in chester to pass unnoticed. If a stranger had entered the
any of the kingdoms of her Majesty. Why these are incon- House when the Hon. Member was speaking, he would
sistencies which, after three months of inconsistencies, I have fancied that the Hon. Member was making a motion
confess excite my astonishment. I did expect that the for the abolition of the United Church of England and Ire-
Government, after their frequent Councils, and the oppor- land.—(Hear, hear. )
tunities which they possessed of becoming acquainted Mr. REYNOLDS moved the adjournment of the debate.
with the state of public feeling on the subject, would The SPEAKER was putting the question, when.
at least have brought in a measure consistent with Lord J. RUSSELL said if it was the wish of any Hon.
the exposition of the First Minister. And now, Sir, what Members to address the House on this stage of the Bill, he
is the excuse, if I may use the term, or what is the reason should not oppose the adjournment of the debate.
given by the Noble Lord to-night for this strange contrast Mr. REYNOLDS knew several Hon. Members who were
between his introductory statement and remedial proposal? anxious to speak on the question.
It is, forsooth, that he begins to believe that the business is Mr. MOORE wished to know if the Noble Lord would
an insignificant one. How does the Noble Lord now describe state the details of the Bill before the adjournment.
the Papal aggression?—the Papal aggression that for three Lord J. RUSSELL could not well state the details of a
months, through the instrumentalify of the Noble Lord, has measure not yet before the House.
excited the passions of the whole people. The Pope's letter The debate was then adjourned.
is described to-night as a "blunder of the sudden." It is Mr. HAWES obtained leave to bring in a Bill to amend
now the opinion of the Noble Lord that, after all, the con- the Passengers Act.
duct of the Pope has been nothing more than a "blunder of The Bill was brought in and ordered to be read a second
the sudden"—a somewhat strange phrase; and, perhaps, time on Monday next.
there may be some persons who may think letters of other The House then adjourned at a quarter past Twelve
distinguished personages were but " blunders of the sudden." o'clock.
—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) But, Sir, I cannot admit that
the conduct of the Pope has been precipitate or not duly ma-
tured and considered. I form my opinion on the subject
from circumstances of public notoriety, and from the gra-
dual occurrences of incidents and events, which, I think,
might have well justified his Holiness in the course
which he adopted. When I recollect what has oc-
curred in Ireland and in the colonies with respect to
Roman Catholic bishops—when I recollect that the Viceroy
of Ireland, the representative of our Sovereign, has
been in indirect communication with the Pope him-
self—(Hear hear)—that he has expressed his veneration, his
high veneration, for the character of his Holiness—that he
has consulted him and deferred to his judgment—l cannot
agree to the allegation of the Noble Lord, that the con-
duct of the Pope, right or wrong, was a sudden act, or was
a course of behaviour or policy adopted without due
reason and due encouragement (Hear, hear, hear.)
But besides all that occurred in Ireland and in the
colonies with respect to the introduction of Roman Catholic
prelates ; besides the letter of Lord Clarendon—a,letter which
has never yet been vindicated—in which the Noble Lord
expressed for the Pope a feeling of veneration, and deferred
to his judgment—l cannot forget that, not very long ago, the
First Minister of the Crown expressed himself in the
manner I shall proceed to quote on the subject of the Roman
Catholic Relief Bill. The passage is one to which I referred the
other night from memory, but which, strange to say, nume-
rous as have been the quotations from the speeches of the
Noble Lord, has never yet been quoted during these debates.
According to our authoritative record thus spoke Lord John
Russell in the month of July, 1845:--" He believed they
might repeal those disallowing clauses which preventedeaf
Roman Catholic bishop assuming a title held by aobl e
bishop
year
Lred
the Established Church."—(Hear, hear.) ThhN le
th
saw no objection whatever a few years ago hi
mine ;title held by a
1845, to a Roman Catholic bishop
bishop of the Established Churchill°.
then to Cardinal Wiseman's coming
caut.eute'rs
onoounotbryjectaniond
ol
of
Lordt h i this
supposer e s tr, i c -
0 fie could not con-
styling himself Archbishop of rtburv.—(Hear, hear.)
The Noble Lord proceeded as follows
Now, an individual on a subject of
tc
ieoi vo e.
~ any—
lige
ao ord, grounds for the d
0e s continuancehnNob
that the opinions of so eminent
not duly noted and duly known
pressed in the House of Commons by
ge_awwarieletiliatthtehersee.
s—ucthhaptasroaomhooupnitalltsereexs
the Vati n ?
ereign was himself indirectly commu-
nicating so eminent a perswonasa
hteetin.e.tohfedePfeohrilential. ..
homage—whenca-- —he
such a man are not immediately furnished to
(Hear, herr ..
ht read in the records of the Irish Court that his arch-
spvree s ea
a thaet,iyol rat ihrneihro
hire
in
Sovereign
raja
bishops and bishops took the highest precedence— (Ilear)—l
ask the House is it just, is it fair, is the Noble Lord autho-
rised to state that the conduct of the Pope was " a blunder
of the sudden ?" Sir, Ido not enter into the question
whether a communication was made or not to my Lord
Minto upon this subject. But this I will say, that we have
heard details to-night which prove that some communica-
tion was made ; and certainly I am very much surprised
that an envoy on a mission so confidential, after having
been apprised by the candour of his Holiness that there was
something which touched England nearly, should never
have had the curiosity to ask what it was—(Loud cries of
" Hear, hear")—that he should never have had the curiosity
to say " Pray, what is it?"—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
In his next mission I have no doubt that Lord llinto will
profit by his past experience ; and I must say, that of all
thee public men employed in public missions, Lord Minto
har run the most remarkable course.—(Hear, hear, and

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SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
LINCOLN SPRING MEETING.—FLIDAY.
Handicap Sweepstakes of 5 sous, each, 3 ft, and 25 added.
One mile. (6 Subs.)
Mr. Robinson's Post-tempore, Bst 71b (Bumby I
Mr. Harrison's Swift, 7st 11b (Sabin 2
Mr. W. Neale's Calculator, sst 21b (Harrison S
Mr. J. Osborne's Oxford Blue, 7st 51b... ..... ....(Osborne 4
Mr. Cunningham's Psyche, 7st 21b (...c,'harlton 5
Betting-5 to 4 agst Psyche, and 2to 1 agstros"ere
Won by half a neck ; the same between second and thud.
rfive
The Hurdle Stakes, of 5 sous. each. Two mile', °Ye u
'hurdles. (14 Subs.)
TheM r . Cunningham'sSelling
stee,lk3edit,ovaneri
20 added. (5 Subs.)
plecQhuaascleruspteadk,es,losoft 35130b..v5....a5...er
(Green) 2
Mr. Hunter's Barkby, list "list 71b (Walker) 3
Mr. R. Walker's Dandy Jew' -d Cleaver, list (G. Arran),
Mr. J. Oliver's Fugleman, list 71b ........... - (Owner) 1
.
by a neck.
also started.—Won ciIESTER CUP.
\V ho Cares, 11st (
by a letter received from Mr. Topham, clerk of
It appears
BerwMiekEwETas
INscor.atched
owner; this increase the
without 83.
the knowledge of the
at:: cpotanurect:
ASHDO
on Friday,
wN p (Taylor),
hßYaiir )Jo ha
COURSINGin o f
THIRD DAY.
The Ashdown Stakes - Second Ties.
Merry Lass bt Neon of Night.
Third Ties.
Manifesto bt Leoline I Whiff bt Maggie Lauder
Jezabel bt Merry Lass.
The Craven Stakes—Third Ties.
Egypt bt Southgrove I Factotum bt Racer
Martinet ran a bye.
The Lambourn Stakes.
Mr. Holmes's Tartar bt Mr. Jenner's Jealous 7.
Mr. James's Jetty Treffz bt Mr. Parkinson's Sample.

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Loss or THE BRIG LAUREL, OF GLASGOW WITS
ALL ON BOARD.—GLASGOW, FHB.
the Thistle steamer came into collision in the Firth of Clyde
on Tuesday night, turns out to 'be the Laurel, of Glasgow,
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ROYAL PRINCESS'S THEATRE.
The Phblic is respectfully informed that Mr. BARTLEY will
perform wily THREE NIGHT:3 mere, and that consequently the
Final Representations of Shakespeare's Play of HENRY IV. will
take place on Monday, Feb. 10, Friday, Feb. 14, and, for the Last
Time, on Monday, Feb. 17.

TB:EAT-RR ROYAL, DRURY-LANE.
Lessee and Manager, Mr. James Anderson.
TIIIS EVENING,
Will be presented by her Majesty's Servant'
19th time, a new Comedy, called,

THE OLD LOVE AND THE NEW. Sir Algernon Courtoun,
Mr. Cooper; Major Stock, Mr. Eraery ; Captain Sidney Courtoun,
Mr. J. Anderson ; Mr. Haythorn, Mr. Barrett ; Miss Trimmer, Mrs.
Ternan ; Camilla Haythorn, Mrs. Nisbett ; Cherry Bounce, Mrs.
Walter Lacy.
After which JOHN BULL.

THEATRE ROYAL, HAYMARKET.
Mr. B. Webster, Sole Lessee and Manager, Old Brompten.
THIS EVENING,
Will be performed a new and original Comedy, called PRE-
SENTED AT COURT. Charles the Second, Mr. Stuart ; Captain
Montagne, Mr Bowe ; Rochester, Mr. Davenport; Marquis de Fla-
mer, Mr. Selby ; Geoffrey, Mr. Buckstone ; Anne Franklyn, Miss
Reynolds ; Miss Middleton, Miss A. Vining.
To be followed by a new and original comic drama, called GOOD
FOR NOTHING. Tom Dibbles, Mr. Buckstone ; Harry Collier,
Mr. Howe ; Young Mr. Simpson, Mr. Clark ; Nan, Mrs. Fitzwilliam.
To conclude with the Nautical Drama of BLACK-EYED SUSAN.
William, Mr. Davenport ; Admiral, Mr. Rogers; Cat tain Crosstree,
Mr. Parselle ; Gnatbrain, Mr. Buckstone ; Jacob Twig, Mr. H. Bed-
ford; Simian, Miss A. Vining.

THEA'rIiE ROYAL, ADE LPHI.
Under tile direction of Madame Celeste.
THIS EVENDTG,
Will be performed an entirely new grand Drama, n 3 acts, entitled
ISELPHEGOR THE MOUNTEBANK; or, The Pride of Birth.
Duke de Montbazon, Mr. Hughes ; Count de St. Cyr, Mr. Boyce ;
The Chevalier de Rolac, Mr. 0. Smith ; Guillaume, surnamed Bel-
plaegor, Mr. B. Webster; Ajax, alias Mr. Merryman, Mr. Wright ;
Captain Pufferes, Mr. Worrell ; Madellene, Madame Celeste ; Nini
Flora Aphrodite Stilz, Miss Woolgar.
To be followed by a new Extravaganza called LA TARANTULA ;
or, the spider King. Characters by Messrs. Wright, P. Bedford, 0.
Honer, Miss Woolgar, Miss E. Chaplin, Miss K. Fitzwilliam,
Madams Celeste, &c.

ROYAL PRINCESS'S THEATRE, OXFORD-STREET,
Under the Management of Mr. C. Keam and Mr. Keeley.
THIS EVENING,

Will be performed an entirely new Play called THE TEMPLAR
characters by Messrs. Ryder, Fisher, Belton, Addison, Vining, Cath•
cart. Everett, C. Kean ; and Mrs. C. Kean.

After which a new Comic Christmas Pantomime, called ALONZO
THE BRAVE AND THE FAIR IMOGENE; or, Harlequin and the
lit'aron all covered with Jewels and Gold. Clown, Mr. Flexmore ;
Harlequin, Mr. Cormack ; Pantaloon, Mr. Paulo ; and Columbine,
Mise Carlotta Le Clercq.

ROYAL LYCEUM THEATRE.
Under the Management of Madame Vestris.
Sole Lessee, Mr. Charles Mathews.
THIS EVENING,
Will be performed

THE F-ANDSOME nu-6BAsb. Characters by Messrs. C. Ma-
ews, Vining, Miss M. Oliver, and Mrs. C. Horn.

After which an entirely new and original Fairy Extravaganza,
to be called SING CHARMING; or, the Blue Bird of Paradise.
Characters by Messrs. C. Mathews, F. Matthews, Horncastle, Suter,
Bellingham, and Bonner; Madame Vestris, IVlrs. Frank Matthews,
. Miss Ellis, Mrs. C. Horn, Mlas St. George, and Miss Martindale.

To conclude with

T.UE RINGDOVES, in which Messrs. C. Mathews, F. Matthews,
Basil Baker. Mrs. F. Matnews, and Miss M. Oliver will appear.

ROYAL OLYMPIC THEATRE.
Lessee and Manager, Mr. W. Farren.
Great hit of the Romance of the Nose.
Last Week of the two successful pieces being played together,
Ti'lS EVE \ING,

Wi4l be perfor ned ALL THAT GLIT 1 ERS IS NOT GOLD,

After which THE LTNPROTECTED FEMALE

To be followed by PRINCE DORUS; or, The Romance of the
Nose, in which Messrs. H. Farren, Compton, Shalders, W. Farren,
Jun „ Cooke ; 3lesdames Louisa Howard, E:len Turner, and Madlle.
A lele will appear.

ttOY AL A.MPLIITHEATRE
Trader ate Patronage of her Majesty and his Royal Highness
Prince Albert.
Pronrietor and Manager, Mr. W. Batty.
Extraordinary series of attractive novelties.
Last Week of the Pantomime.
THIS EVENING

The Grand new Spectacle of KENILCIORTII; or the Golden Days
of the Virgin Queen. with new and costly costumes.
After which Mons. Plasche in his wonderful Ascent on the Barrel.

Together with Batty's Splendid Scenes of the Circle.
To conclude with an entirely new and original grand historical
EqueArian Christmas Pantomime, written expressly for this Theatre
by the author of " Bluff King Hal," to be entitled
HARLEQUIN AND O'DOISOGHIJE ;
or, The White Horse of Killarney,
Box-office open from Eleven till Four.
Stage Manager, Mr. T. Thompson.

HIGH WATER Al LONDON BRIDGE

Tate DAY —Morning 6 min. after 6 Evening 24 min. after 6
To-Moasow—Morning 0 min. after 6 Evening 7 sain. after 7

THE WEATHER.—St OFFICE, FICERUABY 8
THERMOMETER, IX THE ►SHADE.
46—highest since noon yesterday.
41—lowest this morning and during the night.
47—this day, at noon.

BAROMETER, 29.97.
Worn W.—light breeze and fine sunshiny weather.

DAILY WEATHER TABLE.

State of the Wind and Weather at each of the following
places at Nine o'clock yesterday morning.—The stations
are arranged in order of latitude.
KINGSTOWN (D ÜBLIN )—Wind W. strong breeze—overcast.
PLYMOUTII—Wind W., strong breeze—overcast.
POOLE—Wind S., gentle breeze—scud. rain.
PORTSMOUTH—W in d S.W., gentle breeze—rain.
BRlGirroy—Wind N., calm—overcast.
Somi.emoN—Wind S.W., gentle breeze—rain.
FOLKESTONE—Wind W,, gentle breeze—overcast.
Tux-aniDGE—Wind S.E., calm—rain.
BAsurasiroKE—Wind S.W., gentle breeze—rain.
GREENWICH—Wind S., gentle breeze—rain.
SWEIDON—Wind S., gentle breeze—overcast.
OXFORD —Wind S., gentle breeze—rain.
COLCHESTER—Wind S.W., gently breeze—overcast.
Camattapoz—Wind S.W., gentle breeze—cloudy.
RUGBY—Wind W., calm—scud, rain.
FETERBORO UGH—Wind S.W., strong breeze—rain.
Isamourft—Wind S., gentle breeze—overcast.
CoNWAY—Wind
HovirmAD--Wind S.W., hard wind—rain.
LrvEßPoot.--Wind S.E., gentle breeze—rain.
MANCHESTER—Wind S., gentle breeze—rain.

The returns from the following places indicate the state of
the wind and weather on Thursday morning at nine
o'clock :
CORK—Wind W. light breeze—clear.
LIMERICK—Wind S., gentle breeze—cloudy.
Clatow—Wind N.E , gentle breeze—partially cloudy.
MuLLING,ta--Wind N.W., fresh breeze—sharp frost.
POOLE. —Wind N. gentle breeze—partially cloudy.
Po ATS3IOI:TH—Wind N.W., gentle breeze—partially cloudy.
LEEDS.-Wind N.W., heavy gale—rain.
YORK Wind N. W., strong breeze—partially cloudy.
DARLLNGTON —Wind W. by S., strong breeze - cloudless.
WHITEHAVEN—Wind N.W., strong breeze - partially cloudy.

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